Some readers have asked, if I had a younger teenaged Elliot Rodger cornered at one of his dad’s Hollyweird parties, what would I have told him, assuming I could sense that the boy was troubled by his perceived failure with girls and suffering great loneliness?
The thought has crossed my mind. Here’s what I would say (give or take):
Women are different than men. Much different. Forget everything you know. You must understand this first.
You must be willing to listen and improve yourself or I’m wasting my time here.
Accept that women are different, and like different things in men than you like in them. That means stop worrying about your looks so much. They aren’t that important.
Don’t act needy. This is the most important lesson. Girls hate male neediness. Girls love men who seem like they get a lot of women and don’t chase after them. Fake it if you have to, it’s better than moping around like a loner.
Lift weights. Drink a lot of full fat milk. Don’t expect that you’ll look like Arnold in his prime. But if you stay the course, in one year you will be more muscular and more confident than you are now, and girls will notice.
You have to get over your shyness. Girls can’t read your mind. You spend too much time inside your head. Get out of there. Focus on making eye contact with people, and stop looking like a grouch. Talk to girls first as a friend. Get comfortable with that, then begin flirting with them and making your sexual intention known.
Stop taking whatever drugs your dad put you on. The only drug you need is the testosterone you’ll get from lifting and the thrill of approaching girls.
Find a male friend who is good with girls. Don’t envy him. Observe him. Learn from him. He doesn’t have to know this, but he will be your mentor. Don’t feel ashamed that other men have something to teach you.
Again, your looks or your race you can’t do anything about, so stop dwelling on them.
Girls don’t like “supreme gentlemen”. Girls like fun guys who tease them and confuse them and make them chase. All those ugly guys with cute girls? They flirt with the girls and then ignore them and then make fun of them. It’s a seesaw girls love to ride.
You should never let a girl know how you truly feel until she has already fallen in love with you. Girls love men who challenge them.
Be mysterious. Don’t wear your heart on your sleeve.
Never, I mean never, write poetry or love letters for a girl, or buy them stuff. You save that for girls you are already fucking.
Girls don’t want to hear about your problems. If you have to vent, do it with a male friend, or an older male guardian.
Never, I mean never, take advice from a woman, even if she is your mother.
If you want to know what a girl is really thinking, watch what she does. Don’t bother listening to what she says, as she herself is unaware what turns her on.
Never put a girl on a pedestal.
You make a girl chase you by not returning her texts promptly, or by flirting with other girls around her, or by ignoring her chat pings or calls. Don’t feel bad about doing this, it turns girls on.
Your car doesn’t matter. Your clothes don’t matter. Your family’s money or the people they know don’t matter. Do you know what matters to girls? Self-assurance. Act like women already want you, and now it’s just a question of which one you’ll choose.
Oneitis will kill your soul. That hot blonde you obsess over? Stop doing that. The world is filled with cute girls. Go out and mingle with them. Trust me on this, once you are experiencing the incomparable joy of a cute girl giving you all her love, you’ll forget about that one girl you used to think you couldn’t live without. You’ll forget allll about her.
Stop thinking life is unfair, or girls are unfair to you. There is no such thing as unfair, there is only the way the world works. This is the way girls work, now make that work for you.
Here are a few one-liners I want you to remember because girls love to hear them.
Don’t be defensive if a girl acts indignant when you tease her. Her indignation is the first sign that she’s beginning to like you.
Stop berating yourself. Who cares how other men are doing compared to you? The only thing you should care about is your own growth as a man.
Stop hanging around losers. That includes losers on internet forums.
Let me show you how to stand like a confident man, and how to walk. Come, try it with me.
You are young. You have way more time than you think. Get some perspective. Setbacks and rejection are a normal part of living, not the end of the world.
Say the word “fuck”. Good. Say it again, this time louder. Good. Now scream it from the top of your lungs. Wow, people are looking at us. Smile. You’re feeling better already aren’t you?
That’ll be $200.

[…] What Advice Would CH Have Given To A Younger Elliot Rodger? […]
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Even though you are half Asian, don’t learn karate. Karate is gay.
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Not as gay as tai chi.
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or Chi cong…
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ah shit im gay
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Now you are.
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But Jesus will save you. You can always follow his ways.
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If you do; Cobra Kai never die.
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fear, does not exist, in this dojo, does it!? NO SENSEI
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Elliot, get away the expensive toys and fake life you are living. Go hiking in the wilderness. Work at something real, away from California; ranch work or flipping burgers, whatever. Prove your worth, meet real people and you will learn that other people can’t define you.
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Men really don’t get enough survival experiences these days. The best experience in life is learning that you can survive on your own in some fundamentally dangerous situation. You not only learn that you can, but you want to and are driven to. If you have the drive to live, women are easy, and no effort to attract.
After you acquire that, you need to go to the local discount center and observe the slobs and their offspring and then ask yourself if this shit is really what you want so you don’t end up making mistakes with half the bitches that will come around you. If you say yes, go back in the wilderness awhile and contemplate what you really want out of life…and it isn’t pussy as the main goal.
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> “Some readers have asked, if I had a younger teenaged Elliot Rodger cornered at one of his dad’s Hollyweird parties, what would I have told him, assuming I could sense that the boy was troubled by his perceived failure with girls and suffering great loneliness?”
I’ll recycle the correct answer from another thread [on different topic] about a month or two ago.
The correct course of action is to seduce the evil Stepmom, take a video [with high quality audio] of her with your dick up her ass [or if she is sufficiently malleable, with your German Shepherd’s dick up her ass], with her in the throes of ecstasy, screaming at the top of her lungs, “Don’t stop! Don’t stop! Oh my God! Oh my God! I’m CUMMMIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGG!!!!” [and your German Shepherd chiming in, “Woof woof! Woof woof!”].
Then you bundle up the video [with high quality audio] and you take it to the father, and you watch it with the father, and, if he doesn’t murder you right then and there, you say to him, “I did this because your little boy is dying on the inside. He needs you desperately. Lose this evil witch, and devote your life to saving your little boy. Please, I beg you.”
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What the fuck is wrong with you? Just shut up.
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Average quality A/V (480i mono) would be sufficient given the content. Woof!
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Don’t forget putting a bun in her oven.
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Him or the dog?
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Backdoor Man, are you jealous of my German Shepherd’s Backdoor Game?
Seriously, though, the only person who MIGHT have been able to save this poor boy was his father.
But his father just didn’t give a damn and couldn’t be bothered.
For any of us to have had a chance at saving him, we would have had to have become his father. Literally.
And, generally speaking, that kind of non-paternal devotion [and obsession] would only come from a sodomite who was looking to molest the poor boy.
Speaking of which:
Sandy Hook Killer Had ‘Movie Depicting a Man/Boy Relationship’ on His PC
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/sandy-hook-killer-had-movie-depicting-manboy-relationship-his-pc
Lots of folks suspect that Lanza was molested by his therapist.
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Backdoor Man, you are going to post as an ASS RAPER, then complain about which asshole gets raped? Faggot— it works like this. The -majority- of men care little about rectums. Male or Female. You being at least 50% gay, obsess about them. Straight men are happy with pussy. They look very fucking weird to be honest, but feel like heaven. White girls? Pink Paradise. Anything not born in Europe? Some disgusting brown thing that has a high level of stink. Radical Islamics are on point keeping their women under black head to toe robes.
Have you SEEN middle eastern, or god forbid… African pussy? Horrific…. I’d cover my women too if they had this between their legs.
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Someone get this guy some ass before he ends up being the next Elliot. Of all the heads here that think being “alpha” = acting in the most repugnant manner possible, you take the cake. You need to check your rage.
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NOTE:Has anyone hear read Stuff White People Like,the blog what has given us the term SWPL for all those fag hipsters? In Stuff # 11,Asian Girls,there was a guy who posted a LOT,who wrote long screeds ’bout being the son of a white daddy and an Asian momma. He was in despair at being a halfie male,he was jealous of hapa girls because,contra Jay in DC,they got some fine poozie. This was one bitter bitter guy. And did he hate his parents! You don’t think…nah couldn’t be..still…just sayin’…this Elliot guy was into PUA stuff.which suggests race based stuff like SWPL…hmmm…In any case seems these 1/2 Asian guys have a lot of issues.
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Excuse me, can anyone explain how to “seem” like a guy who is not chasing women while chasing women?
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Force yourself to NOT make eye contact with your intended prey. Make her feel that your eye contact is a precious commodity which she must EARN.
Dittoes with spoken contact [to include conversation]. She will always yearn for that which she senses she cannot have.
Ignore her to the point of unseemly arrogance.
But when the time is ripe, and your stars cross, you move in and suddenly look her square in the eye and use that brilliant observation/neg/playful-tease which you had been patiently waiting to spring on her until the time was right.
Then immediately WALK AWAY and make yourself scarce again.
Force her to run after you.
But don’t kid yourself: Hard-To-Get Game is really, really tough to pull off.
You have got to be the master of all of your emotions to be successful at it.
And, equally important, the master of HER emotions.
Rape Game is a lot easier.
A whole lot easier.
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That’ll be $200…
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The female instincts alone can say yes; the female hamster is authorized only to say no. On the rational level, you don’t give a shit; yet you express feelings with body language that say you think she is bangable. Women love instinctive boldness. Walk right up and at the same time don’t give a shit, which is what qualifies you to walk right up. If you feel bad from anything she does socially without physically hurting you, you give a shit. Women use plausible deniability all the time. They do what they understand, and sometimes that is what to do to be understood since that’s their world.
You don’t ‘need’ to fuck her, but you could fuck her, or it will be someone else soon enough because your dick is sore anyway. Women are not rational. Don’t try to legitimately chase without chasing. Commoditize her until it gets serious, if you let it get serious, but say whatever lip service she needs emotionally if her ego is weak. The rational linguistic communication, if it is useful, is just cover for her instincts and yours. Chase with animal language, or maybe query is a better term. Good advertising is often no more than suggestion. You are negotiating relative status and interest to her reptilian self. You can actually use logic to communicate instinctively better than she can. She is on lizard autopilot, until spinster hardened and broken. You are the maestro. It’s a definite skill that is hard to learn. There’s a lot of green from open to close.
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send 700 texts in two days
then just stop cold turkey
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If you feel like offing someone, start with yourself.
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That pretty much sums it up. Well done.
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“Drink a lot of full fat milk.”
Full of blood and puss and antibiotics and hormones. Only one species on this planet drinks the milk of another. Try unrefined coconut oil instead.
“once you are experiencing the incomparable joy of a cute girl giving you all her love, you’ll forget about that one girl you used to think you couldn’t live without. You’ll forget allll about her.”
no. you’ll remember them all, but you just won’t care anymore. and now that you’ve got a HB on your arm you have a very good chance of fucking your special unicorn in the ass.
“That’ll be $200.”
CH is king.
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Only one species on the planet cooks their meat. Should we stop doing that too?
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ape/man acquired his taste for flesh long before he started his first fire.
one of the best pairings I’ve ever had was tartare and ’96 bollinger rose.
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only one species bangs the hell out of a bitch on all fours pulling her hair and slapping that ass and growling at her,”I OWN you bitch! You’re a slut-MY slut!!” Should we stop doing that too?
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“only one species bangs the hell out of a bitch on all fours”
uh…. it’s called DOGGY style for a reason. ever been on a farm? every animal there goes at their bitches from behind except for the bulls. their spunk gets extracted and artificially pumped into the cows.
“Should we stop doing that too?”
I think you should do it as often as you feel like doing it.
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You mention a lot of things that milk supposedly contains, but no scientific evidence of how it would hurt a person to drink it. I have read a lot about its beneficial effects.
Trivia: The Germanic ability to drink milk from cows, unique among human races, helped immensely in the struggle for survival and expansion. This ability then slowly spread to the other races by their children acquiring Germanic DNA in the usual way. Something else people can thank northern Europe for, though I wouldn’t hold my breath. But it’s an interesting story, isn’t it? And one we for some reason never heard of in school. Because it shows something positive coming from Europeans, and that must not be allowed. So if the ability to drink bovine milk is mentioned at all, the teacher makes it sound as if all races just mysteriously acquired this improbable ability independently of each other.
(Also, this explains why Africans have the smallest proportion of people with the ability to drink milk. Yet another thing about human biology that we never hear about. All these little details that are so inconvenient and therefore swept under the rug.)
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Good point. I knew a Somali in college who not only didn’t drink milk, he thought it was disgusting.
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There are several East African tribes that have evolved lactose tolerance. It is an important piece of evidence of recent evolution (less than 10,000 years ago).
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“but no scientific evidence of how it would hurt a person to drink it.”
high casein intake = tumor growth. antibiotics = superbugs. hormones = endocrine system disruption.
props to the germanics for all kinds of shit, but from the look of the western population we’re no longer struggling for survival.
“I knew a Somali in college who not only didn’t drink milk, he thought it was disgusting.”
Take a whiff of 2,000 gallons of goat milk and you might agree. smell a vial full of rennet and you might think the same about cheese.
personally i don’t give a fuck what anyone does with their own body but i can tell you from experience that plant based girls taste fantastic.
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The staple diet of the Maasai tribe in East Africa is cow’s milk mixed with cow’s blood.
Alpha as fuck.
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“The staple diet of the Maasai tribe in East Africa is cow’s milk mixed with cow’s blood.”
no factory farms. no options either. ok maybe teff. yum.
let us know when someone opens a gourmet maasai restaurant in the states.
“Alpha as fuck.”
let us know when you fly over there to score with their women. i’ll stick with the white girls.
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The Mongols drank the milk of all the animals they herded and made booze from fermented horse milk.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=Pretty+Mongolian+women&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=L4qGU5PUJq3KsQTUtICwBA&ved=0CDcQ7Ak&biw=1680&bih=926
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Not to be picky, but it’s considered lactase persistance – a continual production of the lactose digesting enzyme lactase after weaning. We all start with it (think mother’s milk) but some populations continue to have it throughout their lifetime. Those populations that don’t ‘persist’ in producing lactase – many Africans, Asians – are thought of as lactase restricted.
A few populations actually have a long history of dairying but dont produce any lactase (northen indians. example) but utlize fermentation (yogurt, cheese, kafir) which basically eliminates the lactose.
That’ll be $3 please.
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Oh right Germans are so cool! What about Hitler and racism?????
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“Germans are so cool!”
yup. pretzels, lager yeast, sauerkraut, gorgeous smart women…
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Sounds like one of those raging vegans. Probably thinks eating honey is equivalent to rape of bees.
“Only one species on this planet drinks the milk of another.”
We’re also the one species who developed microprocessors. You wouldn’t be typing bullshit here if it wasn’t for that ingenuity..
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“The Mongols drank the milk of all the animals they herded and made booze from fermented horse milk.”
yeah, how are the mongols doing these days? made any trips to the steppe lately?
“We’re also the one species who developed microprocessors. You wouldn’t be typing bullshit here if it wasn’t for that ingenuity..”
we’re the only species to do a lot of things. the utilization of silicon in electrical systems has nothing to do with consuming the milk of another species intended for its babies when every essential macro and micro component is bioavailable in other forms. just because you can doesn’t mean you always should.
there is no such thing as a vegan. anyone who tells you otherwise is an ingnorant fuck.
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Organic milk doesn’t have antibiotics and hormones. That’s the way milk was supposed to be consumed. As for blood and puss, who cares? You eat cow’s meat anyway. Add blood to that. Coconut oil had good fats I agree. But nowhere close to the protein content of milk.
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props for that name,my ni66a
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Full fat milk is also the easiest way to consume a shit ton of calories. Old school bodybuilders always relied on milk to bulk.
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Genuine fucking extended LOL at that username. Bravo
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long distance runners also drink milk. a friend whose a coach at the local high school in our area says they started giving the boys running team chocolate milk instead of gatorade after races. they drink the sports drinks, water with added electrolyte supplements, etc. before they run but he says drinking the milk after gives them the perfect balance of protein, vitamin D, calcium, sugar and fat to help them recover and build additional strength.
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“long distance runners also drink milk.”
awesome. chicks dig emaciated ethiopian-style low T bodies. every guy working his ass off in the gym dreams of looking like a long distance runner.
“a friend whose a coach at the local high school”
nice appeal to authority. every teacher/coach i ever had knew everything. they never lied about history, never fed me bullshit aligned with the fem/libtard agenda, never tried to dumb me down, always had my best interests in mind, always admitted when they were wrong and despite being totally qualified to succeed in all kinds of things they sacrificed their dreams of glory for the sake of the children. i loved showing up at their prison everyday and doing what they told me.
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I would add:
Trust no one.
Realize someday you will die.
Never believe a woman’s tears.
Women don’t mature, they just get older.
Never acknowledge that a girl has rejected you.
Learn to read people and suss out their games.
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“never believe a woman’s tears”
just to read it again.
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I’m not sure what you mean by this. It’s hard to fake crying. If you see tears, we’re crying. If we’re crying, we’re upset. Whether we have good reason to be upset is of course a whole other story.
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Follow @MikeAnissimov and avoid PUA psychos like you…
Review basic reactionary arguments against the manosphere HERE:
http://esoterictrad.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/how-the-pua-manosphere-benefits-from-and-promotes-feminism/ …
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i read that whole thing you ass. i want my 3 min back.
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yes, let us all take incel pledges until monarchy returns, because neorxn
the only way your dry-dick fantasies will be reality is if that new super gonorrhea blows up like contagion
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If only there was a website where like-minded guys who hate PUA could go.
They could call it puahate – that might have saved the lives of those 6 people.
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heh.
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Indeed. I’ve been searching the internet high and low, but can’t seem to find such a site. Apparently the name isn’t taken…..
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He should’ve read Matt,and turned to Jesus!
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Nothing in CH’s advice here is inconsistent with neoreaction. It is as relevant to the man who wants to marry and raise a family with a quality woman as it is to the PUA who wants to run up his notch count. Game is technology—how you use it is up to you.
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> “Game is technology—how you use it is up to you.”
Exactly the point which I keep making – Game is a tool.
Game can be used for Evil [pump-n-dump and break a poor woman’s soul].
Or Game can be used for Good [attract and seize and keep a good woman to be the mother of your children].
Whether you choose to use the Tool for Evil or for Good is up to you.
Freedom of the Will and whatnot.
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Hilarious, a little leftist who conveniently “forgets” that Elliot Rodgers was AGAINST the manosphere. He hated men who did well with women, and wrote repeatedly about how he wanted to kill such men. He wanted to kill every pua. That is why he was in a leftist forum like PUAhate – your ideological allies. You are partly responsible for the murders Rodgers committed. Why don’t you go kill yourself?
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“Stop worrying about girls and focus on guys, those are the ones you wanna fuck anyway, I mean cmon man, everyone knows”. That would be a good one too.
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With the way he pouts in his selfies, you have to wonder. And all that rampant narcissism. As science has shown, homosexuals are far more narcissist than normals.
If a person has mental defect A he is also more likely to have mental defects B and C than the average person.
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You antisemite, you.
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http://narut00.wordpress.com/
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“But trust me on the sunscreen” -e.p.
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The fucked up thing is that sunscreen is obviously a horrible idea.
Think evolution made it so that the sun will kill you?
That’s the same kind of retarded non-thinking that made low fat milk and xanax the food and beverage of choice for raising kids.
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Evolution didn’t make it so, but the ozone layer is thinner today. And evolution hasn’t made us perfect. Many people have gotten skin cancer from too much sun.
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Sun ages skin more than anything else. This is important if you’re a girl and want to stay young looking.
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Hah, get out in the Australian Summer sun for 2-3 hours without appropriate measures and you WILL get a good dose of painful sunburn.
Any more time than that and your sunburn will mess you up and put you at significant risk of developing skin cancers later in life.
Ironically though; Vitamin D deficiency is common. (Pardon the MSM link.)
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/diet-and-fitness/the-great-aussie-paradox-vitamin-d-deficiency-rates-soar-20121023-282kg.html
In my opinion, unless you are a ginger whitey, anything more than SPF 8+ sunscreen is overkill.
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Arbiter
Many people have gotten skin cancer from too much sun.
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What color were they?
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The sun ages you? yeah right! Madonna NEVER is exposed to the sun. Yet–look at HER!!
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Wow, Thwack asks the right question. For once.
The recent migration of Caucasians towards sunnier climes has created a situation where a people evolved for colder weather (Caucasians) have been thrust into the part of the planet between the “Tropics” (Capricorn and Cancer), and their skin, eyes, noses, etc., are not designed for it.
Thus we have the cancer (little C) rates we have today, in places like Australia. You think Abos have a skin cancer problem? Noooo. They are adapted to the sun/heat, with dark skin, dark eyes, flared nostrils, etc. Africans, Indians (dot and feather), and Aborigines all have the same adaptations. Not an accident.
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One must consider how hard it is to change other human beings. Even to have a rational discussion with someone who does not hold similar beliefs is usually futile (fuck, I’ll ask my boss something point blank and there’s a perpetual disconnect that just can’t really be bridged). I think you said all the right things, but I doubt it would have helped him. As I said before, a human’s programming is very difficult to alter.
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but not impossible. if there’s an opportunity to change a wayward life, take it. you’ll have done more good than a million bloviating feminists.
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*love*
You should have a son.
Also don’t ever do nice things for a girl thinking it will make her like you. It won’t. Make her do things for YOU first. Make her earn your attention and your love and then you can do favors for her.
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I think do-gooders take way too much ego gratification in helping people, believing their successes to be greater than they actually are. I’m of the school of thought where if you can’t help everyone, it’s a loss for all; even 1 victim out of 100 isn’t a win. Which is why nonexistence is preferable: it’s fair.
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perfect is the enemy of good.
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He deserves the ego gratification even if he helps just one person take one step forward. It’s more than most people would do.
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You take things very far with your various breakdowns, but you have an unwillingness to question the biggest question, ceaselessly assuming simply because life exists it’s worth continuing. Like I said, very difficult to change people.
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why don’t you just shove a boomstick in your mouth then? if that’s your philosophy, what’s stopping you?
rhetorical. what’s stopping you is the realization that your beliefs are shit, and you do want to live. you just want the freedom to gripe without doing anything about it.
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Also don’t ever do nice things for a girl thinking it will make her like you. It won’t.
It’s a funny thing: looking back over years of gaming, none of the girls I have slept with did I help first. Any girl that I first helped in some way – like reviewing her paper in a university assignment – was a girl that I never slept with.
If you show a girl that you will give her companionship and help without sex, she would be foolish to sleep with you. You have shown that she can get the milk for free. If you have sex, you’ll have something romantic going, and romance is in most cases short. Then she won’t have that companionship/help any longer. Better for her to have your company AND the company of a man who demands sex before she gets it.
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Are you suicidal, whatsthepoint? If so, don’t go full retard on the world like Elliott Rodger — just take your own worthless life in the comfort of your home or wherever you think would be a good place to do it. But never go full retard.
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You’re misunderstanding. The point is this: anyone who promotes the continuation of life, particularly those who procreate, are indirectly promoting future Elliot Rodgers (yes, I am too because I’m a part of this closed system known as planet earth; who knows whom I’ve shafted, knowingly or unknowingly, who will then go on to be affected negatively by my actions). The numbers nor history lie: there will be future injustice, and there will be more massacres. Do you not have a problem with this, CH? Or, let me re-phrase: are you not open to solving this injustice once and for all?
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On the score of helping chicks.
I’ve gotten two 9s by helping with some personal statements to art school. Easy fucking stuff too. It’s actually a good way to innocently help.
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Change is hard, but worth it. When I started, I was a wage slave my fat wife totally took for granted. The other day, my fat wife bought me a shotgun and went on for 20 minutes hand wringing over whether it was good enough for me. That’s real progress. She respects my value now, and how much life without me would suck.
I still have a lot of trouble remembering what I’m worth when it comes to a piece of ass I really want, instead of one I’m indifferent about. Met a plain not very interesting girl last night, ended up in a long talk about cheap alcohol and all the scars I have from various dumb things I’ve done over the years. She was tingling so big I could have seen that for what it was back before I had any game.
I’m in kind of an awkward place the morning after that. I could use a shot of ass at this point, but settling never got me anywhere good. The takeaway lesson is that whole scene unfolded because I wasn’t trying, and I was just being myself. You can get away with that when you’re me. My instincts got me laid decades before the invention of game, and I’ve been married for 20 years to a woman who just bought me a nice shotgun to thank me for cheating on her instead of divorcing her. I have the raw makings of a natural if I can ever just get out of my own way, and be that guy around the cute girls too.
Anyway, blah blah blah, I’m glad I didn’t end up like psycho guy. My life is going to be fine in the long run. This is, after all, the magic year of my life: 42!
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Way off topic, but I saw a chick at the swimming pool today who had a “9.5” to a “10” of a body.
But her face was only about a “6”.
I just couldn’t get it up for her.
When I was younger, I was totally a body guy.
But as I get older, the intensity with which I have swung around completely and become a face [and personality] guy is kinda shocking.
I never would have expected it.
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I may have done it and I put the 8 hours of fucking in
started fuckin her again
she fucking screaming
then no
I stop
then fuck gaain
se no og no ore nono
I stop
she laughing now my pussy so swollen it like a fat bitches pussy
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she said no right here touch it that where is really hurts
she said I never had a knot in my pussy from getting fucked
she like i’m gonna have to hodpital lol
but her eyes and face are fucking shiny
be carefull what ya ask for lol
treating breaking her pussy like its my mission right now
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now my chick singing all of me to me
I love this chick
thanks for the help ch
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how I could of not fucked her again though she been getting ready for last hour then rolling cigs on corner of bed for me
bent over face towards me with her ass up in air
legs wide open standing
what a tease he he he
she knows I love that shit
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Whatsthepoint, to choose life is to choose death, but to choose death is to choose an unconscious route to whatever happened in the Universe to create life.
Choice is an illusion.
Get over it.
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@Amy: don’t ever do nice things for a girl thinking it will make her like you. It won’t.
If there were one thing that I think every “nice guy” could grasp – it would be this simple fact. In many cases it will have the exact opposite effect – women want to do things for her man. Let her. Give her things that she can do for you to make your life easier. This is why so many men that try to do all of the things women say they want, fail to understand why this doesn’t work for them. Women NEED to be useful to her man. They don’t want a man to roll over and expose their belly – they want you to snarl at them so that they have to work to win you over. If you are “nice” they see someone that is “nice” to everyone – they don’t want that. They want to feel special – how is treating her like all other women show she’s special?
I don’t expect a lot of blue pill guys to grasp that simple fact – but listen to what she is saying… It’s what all of the guys are telling you too…. Even if you don’t understand it – use it… It’s hard to argue when you see that it works…
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@Just Saying: exactly. I think it’s the biggest “beta infraction”, to be honest. Doing things for girls believing they will like you for it. Sure they will… as a friend. But never romantically or sexually. Never the way you want to be liked.
“Women NEED to be useful to her man. They don’t want a man to roll over and expose their belly – they want you to snarl at them so that they have to work to win you over. If you are “nice” they see someone that is “nice” to everyone – they don’t want that. They want to feel special – how is treating her like all other women show she’s special?”
Perfectly said.
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You’re bad at tr0lling, and that’s really something considering the general tone here.
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A question to pose…can game help the Omega? It seems to be that a main thing to look at is this guy had no friends or social circle to speak of. His problem was not just with women, he could not form friendships with other men. The teachings of CH will help out normal guys. The teachings of CH will help out Beta guys. But the Beta dudes at least have a base to work with. This guy had ZERO to work with on an interpersonal level. I have recently become interested in observing the traits of the Omega. Go on Reddit and search “ForeverAlone” there is an entire faction of dudes just like this, sans the mass killing. The more I read about it the more it seems that this kid had a disease that was very hard to cure, sagely advice or not.
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He was totally isolated because he made bad choices.
He chose world of warcraft over socializing because it’s an effective narcotic.
He chose puahate because it told him what he wanted to hear – that girls choose guys for mysterious reasons that no man can understand – or change about himself.
He specifically avoided socializing in an way that would threaten his narcissistic self-image and motivate him to change in any way – after all if he has to change, then he’s not perfect and we all know that can’t be true, right?
He was omega by choice because it was easier than doing any work.
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Astute observations, Steve.
It was WoW and HALO – he wrote that HALO became one of his favorite games, and these two games isolated him completely in his younger teen years. What a complete waste of time. I know no less than three women who broke up with guys because the guys were obsessed with playing MMOs. In one case they had a baby together. I know that case well – the man was completely hopeless, wouldn’t even look for a new job, just focused on his “clan” in the game. The woman stuck with him until the child was two years old and then she gave up and left. It was tragic.
Never waste your life on MMOs. These are a bigger problem than people realize. And the problem is spreading.
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> “He was totally isolated because he made bad choices.”
DUDE – HE HAD BEEN IN PSYCHOTHERAPY SINCE THE AGE OF EIGHT!!!
That’s “8”, as in one less than “9”!!!!!
By the time he was in high school, he was in therapy EVERY DAY!
If his illness wasn’t completely organic in nature, then being abandoned by his father would have been the straw which broke the camel’s back.
Don’t blame an eight-year-old boy for “choices”.
It was his worthless father’s choice to abandon the family.
Not the poor boy’s.
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“Never waste your life on MMOs. These are a bigger problem than people realize. And the problem is spreading.”
Absolutely… it is another powerful dopamine trigger. Not unlike the high one gets from compulsive gambling, sex addiction, drug addiction, etc etc.
I have two nephews who are being drawn into this black hole as I type this and I dunno if they will be able to get out of it again.
And I also know dudes that burned down relationships and marriages because of this addiction, and that -is- what it is. But just like some people that can gamble and walk away, fuck and not obsess, or have a drink without need for 10 more, a lot of it is baked into your overall personality too.
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Of course Game would help. It’s not just about seducing women, it’s about confidently navigating life in general.
I used Game to land a job I have no credentials or qualifications for. I also used Game to fuck some slut in the ass. Game solves everything really, except maybe AIDs.
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cryo can you expand on the job landing? Anything specific you did to land the gig?
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I taught myself the skills through online resources. Whipped up a fake resume and backed up my references with friends who were willing to “play the part”. Sold myself in the interview by employing basic charisma and Game fundamentals. I also acted like the job was a bit beneath me, as if I could do better elsewhere…hey that’s Game!
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Let me add, I have no college degree and wouldn’t want one if it was free.
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@Waffles
Confidence, “creative marketing” based resume (no need to lie) and a nice suit. Failing some interviews first helps, so you know what to say and find a white female recruiter (because Indian males are terrible.)
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“Can game help the Omega?”
YES. I speak from experience. Back in college I fought tooth and nail just to be a beta orbiter and have some small amount of female contact- the idea of actually fucking a half decent girl was some far off pipe dream I could barely even imagine. I’d say that qualifies as Omega.
There are certain fundamentals most people take for granted that I used to not get. For example-
-Neediness is a turnoff
-Girls don’t care as much about your looks as you care about theirs
-Talking about your personal problems with a girl you like is a horrible idea
-Being really really sweet and nice is not the way to win pussy
-As a man, YOU are responsible for physically escalating
-The appropriate response to a playful insult is not “What?! How am I [insert accusation]?”
Forget PUA routines; if you could just drill these basic concepts into the head of every Omega, the world would be a much happier place.
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Pretty common and basic advice. You should have learned this shit sooner. It took me a while to learn this stuff too. Most people learn these kinds of things in High School.
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Yes, I thought CH’s advice was perfect for someone less lost and loony than Elliott Rogers. But that kid was never gonna make it.
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No, which is why my advice would have been “kill yourself.”
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“Stop worrying about girls and focus on guys, those are the ones you wanna fuck anyway, I mean cmon man, everyone knows”
Maybe you, the rest of us, not so much.
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You watch his retribution vid? That dude was a repressed homosexual.
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Yep. Him insisting ONLY on hot blondes was a clever way of hiding his real sexual impulses. If he were truly hetero, he would have fucked/pursued brunettes, redheads, blacks, Hispanics, fellow Asians, amputees, etc. Instead, he inexplicably insisted on girls out of his league, knowing full well that he wouldn’t succeed because he didn’t WANT to succeed with girls.
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very interesting hypothesis Brendan
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Yep. Him insisting ONLY on hot blondes was a clever way of hiding his real sexual impulses.
Actually, I can see omegas and lesser betas having blonde fixations because they look the hottest intellectually, and they haven’t had any experience with hot non-blondes in the real world to snap them out of it.
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Then there are also those pouty-lipped selfies. And his extreme narcissism. As research shows, homosexuals are far more likely to be narcissists than normals are. (They are also eight times likelier to use anabolic steroids. And likelier to use narcotics. And much likelier to be alcoholics. What a great, well-adjusted bunch.)
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“As research shows, homosexuals are far more likely to be narcissists than normals are. (They are also eight times likelier to use anabolic steroids. And likelier to use narcotics. And much likelier to be alcoholics. What a great, well-adjusted bunch.)”
But but but that’s only because you don’t celebrate their repugnant lifestyle every day, with parades and fireworks and cotton candy.
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He stabbed his male roommates to death. That’s all you need to know. Gay.
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He stabbed his male roommates to death. That’s all you need to know. Gay.
I see what you did there.
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I think he was referring to Elliot’s gay appearance.
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Yeah I was talking about advice to Elliot. Not anyone on here. lolz
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Oh, LOL. Sorry, to many crossing threads here 🙂
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Do women like bisexuals? if you are attracted to men and feel like a woman but need to balance it acting manly with girls. I am realizing is not easy to find a male partner, should I give priority to women? better to be with someone than alone, if I prefer men what is the point if most don’t like me, that feeling between the 2 is confusing, I tend to prefer to be passive with men, with women I should be the opposite, should I take the side of girls?
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Bisexuals are the reason a few thousand women a year get HIV in the US. If they do like them (they don’t) they shouldn’t.
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if you are attracted to men and feel like a woman
This is media bullshit. No one “feels like a woman”. They are disturbed individuals who want to change their lives. Some turn to drugs, some turn to alcoholics, some turn to sleeping with as many other homosexuals as possible, some turn to dressing up like furries or whatever, some turn to suicide, some turn to pretending they belong to the other sex. It is a part of a bigger problem. But the media cater to them by claiming that “he is a woman trapped in a man’s body”.
A man working at a VA center wrote this: “I had never seen so many transvestites before I started working there!” LOTS of war veterans turning into transvestites. Why? Because they suddenly “realize they are women trapped in men’s bodies” and it’s just a huge coincidence they were all in the military? Of course not. It’s because they want to escape their actions, escape their lives. Just like Bradley Manning, who was disturbed by the murderous enterprise he was a part of in the Iraq occupation, and so he decided he wanted to be someone else, and pretended he was a woman named Chelsea – someone unrelated to the bloody crimes.
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leeminh0:
If you are attracted to men, you’re a fag. If you’re female and attracted to women, you’re a lesbian. “Bisexuals” are simply gays and lesbians who are honest about admitting they still have heterosexual attractions.
I’m sure there are plenty of gay hookup sites on the internet if you want dick. Stop trolling.
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No, most girls aren’t into bisexual men. I’m sexually repulsed by male bisexuality. Total attraction killer.
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sorry leeminh0, there is no such thing as a bi-man. you either suck dick or you don’t. get out of the closet already & be a gay man.
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Amy is pretty much the average woman I’ve ever talked to about this. I’ve “known” many women (in the Biblical sense) and I often ask about this because why not?
The vast majority find the thought of men kissing or anything beyond that utterly repugnant and repulsive. I think there was maybe 1 or 2 that were indifferent but I cannot remember one actually liking the idea of it.
Conversely, at least a third of them were quite fine with the idea of women hooking up and would not be adverse to even trying that themselves. Some already had.
I think CH himself has mentioned that women’s sexuality is much more fluid than men’s. This is a statistical fact that has been proved time and again.
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Yea, female bisexuality is totally different. It doesn’t repulse me and in fact sort of fascinates me. I’ve been sexually attracted to a girl.
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I think CH himself has mentioned that women’s sexuality is much more fluid than men’s. This is a statistical fact that has been proved time and again.
Women’s aversion to “bisexual” men is obviously instinctual, since they carry diseases that faggots are prone to get.
Also, note that unlike fags, women cannot (naturally) penetrate each other, or be penetrated by another woman.
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Strength, character, conviction
Work out, live an interest life, have a set of guiding principles
Pretty simple when you boil it all down.
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Full fat milk? Will not be pretty with most people of Asian descent who do not digest lactose well. Can you say “chocolate squirts”? Remember Ahnuld–“Milk is for babies. Real men drink beer”?
OK, seriously, I’ve got nothing against drinking whole milk for the 10% of the world that can do that as adults. But that said, if indeed he suffered from Asperger’s, whatever the cause, what he needed was some serious guidance and counseling. Instead, he had two absentee parents who substituted “stuff” for love. This really isn’t a surprise, is it?
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Great advice. Except he still might need medication (though probably not nearly as much as he was probably on). Some people have problems that testosterone and success with woman don’t completely cure. Especially given his history.
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Check out the absolutely terrible game advice that was being laid down for listeners of this hit ’70’s song. You have surely heard it often on the radio. It is White Knight anti-game to the core, albeit sung by some bruthas. Hilariously it is supposed to be sung from the perspective of a PUA.
Treat Her Like a Lady
All my friends had to ask me
Somethin’ they didn’t understand-a
How I get all the women
In the palms of my hand, now
And I told them, to treat her like a lad-ay
(You got-to, got-to treat her like)
Um-hum all the best you can do
You got to treat her like a lad-ay, she give into you
Ah-hum now who can see, you know what I mean?
I know you heard (treat her right)
That a woman (got-ta treat her right)
Will soon take advantage of you
(Got-ta treat her right)
Let me tell you (treat her right)
My friend (got-ta treat her right)
There just ain’t no subsititute-ta
(Got-ta treat her right)
You oughta a treat her like a lad-ay
(You got-ta, got-ta treat her like)
Um-hum, all the best you can do
You got-ta treat her like a lad-ay
She give into you, ah-hum
Now who can see? you know what I mean
Oh, you’ve got to love her (love her)
Tease her (tease her)
But most of all you’ve got-ta please her
(Please her)
You’ve got-ta hold her (hold her)
Now an want her (want her)
And make her feel you’ll always need her
(Need her)
You know a woman (woman)
Is sentimental (woman)
And so easy to upset
So make her feel (feel)
That she’s for real (real)
An she give you happiness
Whoa-oh-oh
Strange as it seems-a
You know you can’t a woman mean
(Got-ta treat her like)
So my friends, now there you have it
I said it’s the easy simple way
Now if you fail, uh, ta do this
Don’t blame her if she looks my way-a
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Hah, reminds me of a story I read in a forum: a guy wrote how he gave a woman a bouquet of roses at her job. But he did it with a smile, as if “Hey, this is such a classic thing, and I’m really laughing at it!” Doesn’t matter that he hedged that way. He still did it.
She, of course, did not sleep with him. And for a long time afterward he kept beating himself up over it. How he had embarrassed himself. He had found game online before that, but after the bouquet he really took it seriously, swearing to never humiliate himself again.
A lot of people have stories like that one. Stories of when they decided to finally, truly, completely quit all the beta bullshit women and songs and TV and schools teach them, and learn the real deal from other men instead. This is the only “Brotherhood of Man” you’re likely to see in our lifetime.
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Once i worked with (and dated) a lady (a 7-8 who would have been a 9 with a bit more gym time) whose office-chick-friend got about 50 roses from a guy ‘just because.’
She asked me why i never gave HER roses. The next day I put a dixie cup filled with dandelions on her desk.
first step into the world of game.
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I heard this song the other day and thought the same thing.
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I dunno.
If you read the lyrics from a really cynical point of view, they could be describing Game to a “T”.
If you interpret “to treat her like a lad-ay” as upping the testosterone and the masculinity [which will simultaneously cause her to up her estrogen and her progesterone in response], and throwing down her shit-tests with your spine of steel, and disarming her defenses with your cocky charm, and getting in her pants, and giving her orgasm after orgasm after orgasm, then I’ve got no problem with anything that he’s saying.
He even warns his friends what will happen if they don’t Game Up themselves: “Now if you fail, uh, ta do this, Don’t blame her if she looks my way-a”.
BTW, the point which I keep making about Elliot Rodger is that he was NOT a psychopath.
Psychopaths are supreme empaths. They sense every emotion which a woman experiences, often [usually? always?] anticipating those emotions before the woman herself even experiences them.
Psychopaths read women like nerds read comic books.
But time after time after time, Elliot Rodger proved that he had no ability to read a woman whatsoever.
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Interact with women without pretense or formality. Aka there must be rapport. 1 hour of being served drinks by a waitress is not worth on well placed joke that breaches the formal relationship. 2 hours of being an acquaintance is not worth one “borrowed” piece of bubble gum. 1 week of sitting next to a girl in class is not worth one wink in the hallway.
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Yes, one of the best pieces of advice I got was this: Don’t turn a date into an interview. The date is about making it an entertaining evening.
And always be the one who ends the date. If it goes on for so long that she’s the one who has to end it, that’s too long.
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> “Don’t turn a date into an interview… If it goes on for so long that she’s the one who has to end it, that’s too long.”
Better yet, work on radically improving your filtering and screening process so that you never have to suffer through an evening of pure torture, trying to engage [really to force] yourself in a conversation a chick who has The Darkness in her heart.
Do everything you can to prescreen your bitchez so as to select the ones who show some signs of having a little warmth and kindness and basic decency in their hearts.
Date the ones with whom you share a little chemistry.
Not the Dark ones.
Get the Darkness outta your life.
And keep it out.
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Excellent advice,
If I may I would add
don’t believe a word feminists say about anything, or the liberal main stream media; they are all anti-masculinity and will only confuse you.
and don’t aim too high, don’t aim for 8s and 9s, don’t even think of 10s, a pleasant 6 or 7 will bring you more joy than a bitchy 8 or 9…maybe you should even start with a 5 if you are too scared/shy. Baby steps!
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“maybe you should even start with a 5…
OK…
” …don’t aim too high, don’t aim for 8s and 9s, don’t even think of 10s….
BS! Never Settle! 😀
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> “a pleasant 6 or 7 will bring you more joy than a bitchy 8 or 9”
THIS!
1) Spirituality [and morality] first. True spirituality, not churchian/unitardian anti-spirituality.
2) Then personality [to include mutual chemistry].
3) Then talent [to include her IQ and her edumakashun].
4) Then looks.
Although there is the horrifying possibility of a Darwinian Nihilistic / Biological Calvinistic tendency for looks to imply talent and personality and morality.
That possibility really scares me.
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That sounds a bit too much like “out of my league” talk. I don’t subscribe to ‘out of my league’ thinking. You shouldn’t aim *only* for the 9/10, but if you have a chance to game one, do it.
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There was no saving this dude. Whether it was the spergers or not, he was wired like a female.
-Always obsessed with his looks, designer clothes, luxury
-Expecting to be approached instead of doing the approaching.
-Unwilling to work for his place in the world, wanting his moms to sell off her pussy to wealth instead of just being George Lucas’ tuesday slampiece.
-Extreme jealousy, a female trait. Never considering the causal nature of success, the only reasoning he could produce was “I should deserve that for existing too”, without factoring he doesn’t have the requisite vagina that gives some credibility to that notion.
The guy came across this advice and decided that working for it was too hard, hence the PUAHate. Its poor framing to make this a game issue or respond to MSM accusations of such.
The only game issue is that they’re glad he didn’t learn this shit so a bitch didn’t catch an omegasperg seed through heavily rehearsed, Tyler-esque alpha mimicry.
This is about the biomechanics of an unregulated sexual market.
What scares the shit out of Manjaw et al. isn’t the game or the objectification of women as much as the notion that dregs of the male gene pool might negatively select back.
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“The only game issue is that they’re glad he didn’t learn this shit so a bitch didn’t catch an omegasperg seed through heavily rehearsed, Tyler-esque alpha mimicry.”
Yup. if it bleeds it leads. msm using bloodshed to catch eyeballs and inform women about fraud potential gaining steam over the last decade.
“This is about the biomechanics of an unregulated sexual market. ”
and msm knows that when she’s on birth control her radar for true alpha will be comprimised leaving her more susceptible to unhealthy long term mate selection and procreation.
“What scares the shit out of Manjaw et al. isn’t the game or the objectification of women as much as the notion that dregs of the male gene pool might negatively select back.”
msm advertising revenue counts on women being as isolated as possible in order to sell goods and services. this leaves them more vulnerable than ever to the tactics of imposters. msm knows that women’s wiring craves objectification but this isn’t good for business, so it covers its ass by outing fraud game with stories like this.
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Never considering the causal nature of success, the only reasoning he could produce was “I should deserve that for existing too”
That was the foundation for his personality. He thought he had the RIGHT to things. And started hating successful men and attractive women because he wasn’t given success.
(Was this a result of his leftist upbringing in a Hollywood home? Well, one of the pillars of socialism is that dupes are told they deserve money and success, and encouraging them to hate the successful. The successful are painted as criminals, because if all are equal, some can only be more successful than others by being criminal and oppressive.)
Proof: he became convinced that he was DESTINED to win the lottery. He even wrote, “Who was more deserving to win than me?” He then spent 700 dollars on lottery tickets. Proof that he actually believed he was supposed to win. Then as he waited for the results, he dreamed about how women would flock to him once he was a young millionaire.
Then he didn’t win. That was a shock to him. Then he decided that he would have to have his “day of retribution” to get back at his “enemies” (attractive men and women) instead.
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> “Proof: he became convinced that he was DESTINED to win the lottery. He even wrote, “Who was more deserving to win than me?” He then spent 700 dollars on lottery tickets. Proof that he actually believed he was supposed to win.”
That could have been a genetic thing, which he inherited from his mother’s side of the family.
Pacific Rim Asians are absolutely OBSESSED with gambling.
That’s why so many of them settled in the general vicinity of Arcadia, CA, and the Santa Anita horseracing track there.
It could be part and parcel of the more fatalistic aspect of their nature – they may believe that they don’t have freedom of the will – that, instead, their good fortune in life depends upon the whimsy and caprice of the gods of the roulette wheel.
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Screw the therapy buy a hooker to practice with.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/05/elliot_rodger_therapists_why_did_they_and_law_enforcement_fail_to_recognize.html
a fraction of the fortune he spent on the talking cures would have given him a bit of pleasure in his short fucked up existence.
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Yep. That is one of many sad things here. An hour with a hooker would have done this omega more good than a hundred navel-gazing therapy sessions. Most of the time, action is the best therapy.
Should prostitution be legalized if it can eliminate potentially violent outcomes? Can we expect this discussion in the aftermath of this killing? But that would require the media to not follow their script, to actually think in new ways, and that will never happen.
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Exactly.
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Learn from this guy:
http://www.returnofkings.com/29811/why-young-men-need-the-red-pill
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Tofu make penis vewy small, Elliot san.
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*Eriot-san
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I stand corrected.
Werrcome to schitty wok, take yo order preez, Eriot san..
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I would let him listen to Saint Patrice take apart this blondes “advice for men” book.
This woman was smart enoiugh to know how to answer but Patrice still destroyed her and her book.
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LOL! This is really good… a bit long, but he just slapped that blonde hottie around with the verbal BBC.
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Beware of fatties.
Crocodile in hospital after being crushed by 18-stone Russian woman on a bus
Seven foot reptile called Fedya was travelling on a circus bus
It was fast asleep when the vehicle hit a bump in the road
A woman sitting near by was thrown on top of the animal
Circus feared for crocodile’s life after it vomited for three hours
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2641779/Crocodile-hospital-crushed-18-stone-Russian-woman-bus.htm
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Poor, poor crocodile. As penance, she should donate some of her body fat to feed him until he gets better.
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I doubt it. Elliott Rodger is not just one weird dude.
The guy belonged to a demographic that most people are not aware of or understand. Mentally deranged half-Asians. Psychotic people who are absolutely obsessed with their 50/50 identity and interracial mixing. It’s either self loathing or resentment against one half or the other. They go around on dating blogs and flood any kind of thread about interracial relationships with angry comments. And their psychosis is ALWAYS about race mixing.
http://stuffeurasianslike.wordpress.com/
That blog is written by one of many such people.. read it and tell me he’s not obsessed
I’ve heard other Asians tell me that they won’t have mixed kids because they’ll turn out to be all fucked up. And that caution is justified.
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the bigger lesson here is that the US has to stop importing non-whites by the boatload. mass diversity is not our strength. not even close.
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nonwhites are needed to deal with the problem of compound interest.
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the compound interest problem would be solved quickly and without the need for imported leeches if the elliots of the world focused their anger on the real enemy. There are probably less than 500 of them to exterminate.
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@ bulls eye
“the compound interest problem would be solved quickly and without the need for imported leeches if the elliots of the world focused their anger on the real enemy.
Amen! Imagine…
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I’m tempted to think that Thwack is tribal.
Only a Yid would worry about the herding of the goy.
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I’ve heard other Asians tell me that they won’t have mixed kids because they’ll turn out to be all fucked up. And that caution is justified.
I’m a white guy and I won’t even consider Asian girls as dating prospects anymore. And probably not even half-Asian girls, even though they’re often quite hot.
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It’s that sideways pussy. You have to angle it right…”ohhh oww so tyyy so tyyy preeze”
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Fun fact: there is even a PUA forum called Asian PUA. Or at least used to be, I can’t find it now. As you can imagine, there is (was) page after page of Asian guys complaining about how they can’t get White women. Led around by the nose by a handful of posters who claim they get White women so easily.
As I was looking for it now in Google, I came across this post (by a Black poster) : “On almost every forum I have browsed, especially PUA related forums, I run into threads, posts, and everything by Asian men saying that they cannot score with girls outside of their own race.
……
What is with every forum that has a thing to do with dating and race being flooded by asian men asking about how they fail to score outside their own race? “
Asians have less testosterone and more estrogen, period. Nothing can change that.
Note: it is only Asian and half-Asian men complaining, not half-Asian women. For the women, the race-mixing is a boon, as the White blood makes their features softer while they retain the slim shoulders and petite bodies from their Asian side. Though they would all rather be White if they could – I say this not to be snarky, but because I know how much they admire White looks. And also, how they prefer Western culture instead of their own, with its corruption and coldness and bad treatment of women.
Another fun fact: many celebrities in Thailand are half-Whites. They are considered more beautiful, as their features are softer, more fair. Likewise, there are many half-White celebrities in China.
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Another fun fact: many celebrities in Thailand are half-Whites. They are considered more beautiful, as their features are softer, more fair. Likewise, there are many half-White celebrities in China.
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true.
Pol Pot recognized this and made sure they were among the first to receive “re-education” in the countryside.
He went to school with these Cambodian “elites” and they teased him about being short and dark.
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I saw an awful lot of white male/oriental female couples in Chicago last weekend, some with small children. I was really surprised at how common it was.
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Some of them are on Stormfront screaming “white power!”
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To some extent yes, because he certainly did not handle the pressure. If you put bad seed in bad soil it will grow less than good seed in bad soil or bad seed in good soil. But look at his brother, whom he planned to kill. He is, for the most part it seems a very well-adjusted male. I wonder if his brother will ever become a PUA some day.
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He better not take his brother’s steps. His future is fucked though. This event will change his life forever
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It doesnt matter what you TELL someone. Unless they ASK, they wont listen. Even when they do ask, chances are they are only looking to confirm their preconceived notion.
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Tell him to take up boxing. Hit and get hit. A great way to focus on the body not the mind. Plus chicks dig toughness above all else in a man.
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this is good advice, but if we weight advice based on odds of it being followed, it’s not very useful. which i suppose can be said for a lot of advice. so you start with the achievable recommendations and work up from there.
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All us heterosexuals know instinctively that Elliot Rodger needed an ass kicking, but I’m not connecting on how being a fighter with other guys make you better with the hawties? The only benefit I can fathom is how other GUYS know you are a good fighter and that can exemplify alpha tendencies…
Just asking.
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“but I’m not connecting on how being a fighter with other guys make you better with the hawties?”
starts with the old man. If you’re not terrified of your father when growing up then he’s not doing his job. Something tells me this omega’s hollywood photographer father was not the strong silent ass kicking type.
getting crushed on the basketball court, getting punched hard in the arm for no reason, getting punched even harder for good reason, losing logical debates, getting made fun of, receiving little to no praise for supposed accomplishments, having material requests vehemently denied, fearing you’ll be sent to an all boys school, fearing you’ll be beaten to a pulp…
all of these things help to shape the character of a young man and all of these things are now frowned upon by this progressive society.
when you’re afraid of the guy who feeds you clothes you and sleeps in the room next to you then the other guys at school are nothing and girls are even less.
“All us heterosexuals know instinctively that Elliot Rodger needed an ass kicking”
not one. twenty.
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Herb, it’s that it changes your mindset. You learn to take a few hits and see that it’s not a big deal. Once you get over your fear of physical pain, you have a much easier time to get over other things.
Me and some friends used to get together to spar. Many of us had martial-arts experience. We would kick and hit each other quite hard on the legs, in the torso, on the side of the head, and slap each other in the face. (Because it would be foolish to hit your buddy in the face with your fists, practice or not.) Once you learn to get into a situation where you will feel pain, and you don’t shy away from it, that’s a change in you that you benefit from. You get a “what the hell” attitude.
Also, any hobby where you focus on physical things that women can’t or won’t do is good for you. The environment in modern cities is focused on interactions between people, the preferred domain of females. You need to be at home in the physical world, always the domain of men. How many young men today truly build something? Anything? How many experience the joy of taking wood or metal and making something useful? Fighting, building, fishing, camping – master the physical. It is a big part of growing as a man.
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@ bulls eye
“starts with the old man.”
I know this is true, yet I am one of the many that knew my old man was a hard ass (military brat), and my moms kicked him out for too many on the side (being in the Air Force made it quite easy).
Many of us today have never had that “start” as an ongoing and nurturing process in our lives. Much like Little Rodger.
Though I identify and appreciate your answer to my question and think I understand.
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@ Arbiter
“…it changes your mindset…”
I certainly does change your mindset against all the myths and throws you into the lions cage of reality, especially when you are fighting for your life.
Perhaps this concept of go for broke and “f” it ALL is the code that breaks the beta…
Not sure yet.
Thanks.
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VERY VERY bad advice here:
(Because it would be foolish to hit your buddy in the face with your fists, practice or not.)
Sorry but you have to take it in the face or you can never deal with a “real” fight.
There are of course ways of doing this without getting slaughtered. Invest in some good headgear and a mouthguard. Then slowly work together with the partners up to the point where you don’t need the headgear anymore (ALWAYS however use the mouthguard). When you fight without the headgear for the first few times, use the really heavy gloves, like 16 oz, work your way back down to 12’s or whatever you are comfortable with.
When a new person joins your sparing group, make sure they start with headgear one and SLOWLY work to where they no longer need it.
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Anon guy, you don’t hit people in the face with your fists for practice. That could do a lot of damage – to the bones in the hand too. But you are talking about using gloves, okay.
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I was just going to post this. The kind of body and strength you get from boxing is worlds apart from running/lifting. I had been lifting for awhile when I started boxing, but I feel way stronger now. My guess is that it’s more functional strength. Plus, you’ll get a bunch of DHV stories about boxing or whatever
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Or a team sport even such as baseball.
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Here’s Tyler’s response:
Pretty sure he wins the “who has the best response to the MSM’s attack on PUA over Elliot Rodger” competition around the montage in the middle of the video where he’s picking girls up in his arms and carrying them over to their friends to make out and having them spank eachother and make out with eachother and 3-way kiss him.
But really the rest of the video has a lot of good points too and is what pickup is ACTUALLY teaching these days: not wallowing in self-pity and taking responsibility for your life and working on handling your shit instead of blaming everyone else for your failures.
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Ha. Great demos.
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I love this video. This is the absolute truth to how it is all about your mindset. However, only first interaction approach. This is in secret the fun. 😀
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I need to clarify that I enjoyed the main point of the video. I think that “Tyler” has also gone to the ‘Dark’ side and has seen through how superficial most women today really are and enjoys the stimulation of forcing young girls to go lesbian for his own internal kicks. Much the same as Howard Stern has for years. It really exposes the jadedness of it all. YMMV
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Some real-talk from Tyler for the women who will be stumbling across this thread looking for evil PUA brainwashing to get mad about lol:
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Considering where he was at 10 years ago, i’d say he’s come over to the ‘light’ side about halfway, minimum. He used to battle other AMOGs in shitty BC ski chalet bars over one mediocre drunk chick to extract and bang. These days he seems to be more carefree about all of it, more ethereal about everything. He’s emanating more a of ‘well-meaning’ vibe and less of the hostile ultra-competitive vibe as Strauss portrayed him. He’s probably getting better results because of this. So good for him.
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sounds like he’s mellowing with age. like a fine wine.
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How can anyone think that listening to Tyler, who is always positive and life-affirming, would make a guy go out and kill men and women? If people who listen to the lying feminists spewing crap about Rodgers now, would watch just one Tyler video, they would see how ridiculous that notion is.
Note, Rodgers subscribed to an RSD channel on YouTube. Heads-up: a lot of people subscribe to a lot of things. I have more than a hundred subscriptions. None of those channels are responsible for my behavior.
Tyler is right in that first minute of the video. Right about the bitter losers that you often see in comment threads in the manosphere. They are few but frequent, because they have no social lives to take up their time. They are COMMENTERS though, never the ones writing the blogs. Never the actual manosphere men. Nor are they the majority of readers and commenters.
But Tyler has a point here. The keyboard jockeys look for confirmation from each other that women are scum. That’s their excuse for failure. They will say things like … “A woman is not a person.” “Who the fuck cares what a woman thinks?” etc. But if they see a woman in the thread, after spewing hatred at her they might still write something like, “Give me your email, I want to ask you something.” That makes me laugh.
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Rodger didn’t approach, which is the most basic aspect of PUA. No approach shows, at best, limited engagement by Rodger with PUA.
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“But if they see a woman in the thread, after spewing hatred at her they might still write something like, “Give me your email, I want to ask you something.” That makes me laugh.”
Me too. Because it doesn’t work.
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Me too. Because it doesn’t work.
It was hilarious to see Tili try, though.
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His vocal style reminds me of Richard Simmons circa 1980. WTF?
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😀
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I find that part of his charm… from the perspective of the alpha male brute w/ possibly the criminal record, he looks like a faggot ginger that grew up and learned game. This tells me that he has never been truly alpha like say you, or moi? This means what? Take his falsehood, his lies, and work 50% less hard for women.
YaReally is one of my favorite posters here. Because why? We couldn’t come from different worlds. This is important for all men. I am a natural alpha who had girls licking my balls at 14, and had two sluts sucking my cock off at 15. I just assumed this is what happens in life… I found the manosphere many decades later and realized how many men are rejected and shunned by these whores.
Let me tell you what I love about YaReally… he didn’t do what I did until a decade later. 24 years old before he got his dick wet. And then what? Learned what Elliot Rodger learned but in a less homicidal way. Women are subhuman beasts. You often hear that men are slaves to our dicks. Think so? 21st century women think with their cunts. That is reality. He will tell you how to destroy pussy when you realize this. I have bigger goals here, that have much to do with the US, Politics, our broken society, other nations, etc.
But! Never let is be said that I don’t appreciate a ‘true playa’ that turned his broken ass life around -especially- in SoCal, in his 20s. Mad props nigga— you graduated.
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“I just assumed this is what happens in life… ”
same here. also assumed all the beta oribiters were plowing the girls they rolled with. when i found out they weren’t i was truly shocked. why spend time with a girl you’re not fucking? realized you can only think that way if you’re fucking.
“YaReally is one of my favorite posters here.”
me too. i knew guys like him that transformed overnight from basement video gamers into club rats. it was sad to watch as they were much more original and interesting guys before they became slaves to pussy.
i like to hear his take on the clubs because my idea of a club is very different. he follows trends and dresses like he’s told and goes to clubs that have names and business licenses and insurance and social media feeds and are supposed to be very exclusive (except for the fact that they’ll let in any chode wearing the right uniform who’s willing to pay for bottle service).
to me clubs were one time events that never happened in the same place because everyone there was underage and snorting molecule and ketachloride and whatever the fuck they could steal from animal hospitals. no license, no vip, no paid HBs, no photography, no dress code, no overpriced drinks, no bouncers, no adults, no rules.
the pussy there was teen, low maintenance, low entitlement and in many cases very fresh. guys were having way too much fun to bother with approach videos or post-event FRs because they had nothing to prove. living in the moment was not a catch phrase for them.
watching infield of nightlife clubs is painful. grown ass men playing the part to get the used up pussy for far over entry-market value (zero). i can’t think of a single other commodity that goes up in cost the more used it is.
vintage cars have to be low mileage/original equipment. fine wine has to have pristine provenance and documented chain of custody. guns can’t be fired too often if at all. rare coins/stamps/documents/art can’t be handled/exposed to light.
imagine paying to bid on an old ferrari with a nova engine and blown transmission that has thirty guys’ loads dried on its driver’s seat. that’s club game. sure the car looks kinda pretty from the outside…
better to steal the brand new, less outright flashy models that were just delivered to the dealer’s lot and have 2 miles on the odometer. not as easy as just showing up to the auction but far more stimulating with a much better potential return on energy invested. there is a good reason guys will pay tens of thousands for virgin pussy but the 25 year old whore fetches a bill if she’s lucky.
game is great though because there are so many approaches, from skittles man to value adder and somewhere some HB will hook on one them. everybody wins in this numbers game as long as you play. try getting those odds in a casino.
“24 years old before he got his dick wet.”
they say don’t trust anyone over 30. I say don’t trust anyone over 18.
“I have bigger goals here”
spoken like someone who got his dick wet at 14 without trying. starting to think that naturals can never understand the mindset of the others. naturals can never value something that is free and plentiful, especially when the neuro pathways/reward loops are laid down at such an early age for the brain. pussy might as well be air.
“Never let it be said that I don’t appreciate a ‘true playa’ ”
yup. especially because we pump totally different kinds of HBs. the idea of putting my dick where one of these late-adopter game guys has been makes me cringe. their FRs are a roadmap of where I don’t ever want to venture. luckily new pussy hits the market every day.
but i do enjoy the psychology very much and i always learn something new or refresh something old i’ve forgotten. for that i am grateful to guys like yr who take the time to really lay it out and help others the best way they know how.
game is a journey not a destination.
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@bulls eye how young were these girls you were doin?
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@yareally
Awesome video. Tyler’s mindsets and positivity are really inspiring lately. So different from the guy he was ten years ago.
I still tell anyone who says they want to get good with girls to watch all 21 hours of the blueprint before even attempting to do anything else. That immersion in a different mindset alone will make you a naturally more attractive man right off the bat.
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@yareally this is such awesome stuff. He really boils it all down to that inner state of knowing this is how it should be and that you really deserve this. This really rings true with me.
I am simply amazed at how naturally he gets these girls to fall into his arms and be so receptive right off the bat. They are like antennae that feel his vibe and pick up on it immediatly.
I had an approach opportunity this week with my redhead but I fucked it up just because of what he is talking about. I was in a bad state a self defeating state and it made my vibe so negative and I could feel it and I could tell she felt it too. She was picking up on my shitty vibe. So we didn’t even have a fun conversation as usual. It was so frustrating. Ugh.
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I worked with a middle-aged, balding, pudgy divorced guy who turned up at office functions with a succession of hot young chicks. One day i asked him what his secret was.
“Aven,” he said, “Remember that only two percent of women out there like you. But to get to that two percent you have to go through the other ninety-eight percent.”
So Lesson One is, forget all that chivalrous white knight crap. The reality is it’s a numbers game, plain and simple.
And to get through that unproductive ninety-eight percent you have to become outcome-independent, otherwise your feelings of rejection will destroy you.
I would say the top three PUA tips are
– The three-second rule. Force yourself to talk to girls..
– Treat her like your bratty little sister. Keep it light and fun.
– When you get an IOI, escalate. If you don’t she won’t respect you as a man.
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“The three-second rule. Force yourself to talk to girls..”
And they have a ten second rule. They know if they’re going to fuck you in ten seconds. Give them the chance to find out.
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Yes. In the last ten days I have dated three women. The one I had most success with and will see again is the most attractive of them, luckily. Fun, interesting girl. You never know.
One of the other two turned out to be really annoying – not in an aggressive way, just annoying. The other wrote me an angry email afterward saying that “I hope there won’t be any more physical advances”. WTF? Our legs touched while sitting in a crowded coffee shop, is that it, or did she just use a canned phrase she learned from a feminist forum, without thinking of what it actually meant?
But the third, she is fun. She sent me a message earlier today asking for the name of a book I had mentioned. I’m sure she isn’t really interested in the book, people almost never like to read something that other people recommend. I’ll be seeing her in the weekend. In the weekend I will also be seeing a girl who lives a bit far away and who I have seen on and off a few times – we rarely have time to get together. But you gotta follow up anyway, you never know. It is indeed a numbers game.
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The other wrote me an angry email afterward saying that “I hope there won’t be any more physical advances”. WTF?
Obvious shit test.
“Well, given that I do have testosterone in my system, I’m not making any promises. :-p”
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Sounds like a bunny boiler, not a shit tester.
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> “But the third, she is fun.”
Be careful with this one.
She might be a keeper.
In particular, do NOT lie to her.
If she ends up being the mother of your children, then you don’t want your relationship to have been built upon a foundation of lies.
Which is not to say that you should open up and spill your guts to her – to the contrary, say as little as possible and remain something of a mysterious stranger for the near future.
But if she is a keeper, and if somehow you do get trapped in a logical/moral corner in a conversation [or in some other turn of events], then do NOT make the mistake of trying to lie your way out of it.
Either tell her the Truth, or else shut your damned mouth and don’t say anything at all.
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“I hope there won’t be any more physical advances.”
“8======>”
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Well said – couldn’t agree more.
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Honey, he’s a psycho. If you said this to him, he’d have shot your face.
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Let things happen.
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“Also, kick a few black guy’s asses. It’ll show you they’re pretty wussy as a race and aren’t that manly, thus freeing you from the b.s society throws at you about them. Make sure you video tape them crying and calling you massa and upload to World Star Hip-Hop. It will ignite the monkeys into a frenzy of hate crimes against non-whites that will end with Detroit, Newark, Chicago, and Brooklyn in flames, hipsters murdered by their beloved “bruthas”, and people openly talking about bringing back Jim Crow.”
Wait, I think I wandered off topic….
Rape!
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He needed a patriarchal father who was there and no evil stepmother. I used to live in Santa Barbara and worked in Isla Vista. Sex, looks, status..and he had none of them. He would have been better off being raised in the Midwest. Talking to him as a teenager…too late.
If you’re going to raise a half-Asian kid, hope for a daughter. The males are effeminate. Every Asian women has told me that…and the ones I’ve known always had Blond Fever.
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I talked to a guy who used to work in a magazine store next to a hotel in the 1990s. They often had Japanese businessmen staying at the hotel, and these came to the store buying porn. “And it was always blonde, blonde, blonde,” he wrote. Non-Whites. What can you say. Switching between drooling over, being jealous of, admiring (secretly or not), and hating Whites. But one thing they will never do is stop trying to get close to Whites.
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Bob Wallace
If you’re going to raise a half-Asian kid, hope for a daughter. The males are effeminate.
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“Asian” is a very broad category; you sure you wanna say that?
Pacquiao destroyed so many Mexican fighters they nicknamed him “The Mexcutioner”
lol
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Join student clubs and expand your social circle. Girls are close minded and uptight about being approached by strange men.
Lower your standards. Girls who are 40-50 lbs. overweight – that’s your league as an average thin male.
Better yet, leave America.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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This approach might be a good first step with a normal beta kid who lacks confidence. For an omega kid, this first $200 session would have to be followed by many more sessions to drag him kicking and screaming into a happy life.
Elliott Rodger was not an omega – he was off the end of the scale, by a long way. He was as far from omega, as omega is from alpha.
He had multiple problems. He was diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome; he was evidently lacking in conscience or empathy towards his victims, even after killing the first two at close quarters with a knife or hammer; so weird that he had no friends, and even his roommates were planning to move out; crippled by his perverted view of how the world works; and either highly resistant to change, or totally unteachable, as shown by the failure of his years of therapy.
Words of advice would not have been enough. He would have needed a full-time psychiatric social worker to be his paid wingman; a sexual surrogate to take his virginity with the minimum emotional damage; escorts, not necessarily to have sex with him, but to give him the pre-selection and status he craved when interacting with his peers; and lessons in social interaction.
In short, he would have needed to spend time in rehab – for his social and sexual rehabilitation – a service that of course no rehab clinics provide. Even at the end of this process, he would still have had Asperger’s, a lack of conscience, and problems handling disappointment, and so his prognosis would not have been good. He would have needed years of psychiatric follow-up to keep him on the right path.
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Good point.
Reading the manifesto, Rodger is blue-pill everyman up to a point. Many of us can identify and empathize with him up to that point. Beyond that point, Rodger takes a sharp turn and drop into a toxic and eventually homicidal mix of crazy (you say it much better). The OP is based on the blue-pill everyman part, not the crazy part.
I wonder if strong red-pill guidance at the onset of puberty, even into his late teens (eg, Rodger’s “hope and hopelessness” period), could have made a difference, though. Not cure him, obviously, but at least symptomatically improve his quality of life enough to make living tolerable enough to pull him back from the ledge.
It stands out in the manifesto that Rodger’s dad taught him little about manhood. Of course, Rodger’s testimony likely is not the whole story. If it’s true that Rodger was in heavy therapy by age 8, that could also mean an otherwise ready, well-meaning, perhaps even red-pill father was prevented from teaching his son by his son’s condition and a dedicated therapeutic regimen boxing out normal fatherly teaching.
As is, we know that whatever psychiatric treatment Rodger received failed catastrophically. Alternative help like CH’s guidance at least couldn’t have done any worse.
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Take the opposite of all this advice, and that’s what I did in high school. Why wasn’t this website around in the 90s?
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Time to ban cars.
http://www.wtop.com/41/3630952/2-die-when-driver-intentionally-hits-them-with-car
“BALTIMORE (AP) — Baltimore police are looking for a woman who, they say, killed two people, including a toddler, by deliberately driving her car at them after an argument.”
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Im not surprised.
Baltimore has some of the most foul discount ni66ers on the planet.
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Anyone watch ‘Deadliest Catch’? If you hadn’t, check in on the Elliot character. Bad boy problems. Baby Mama problems.
He’s a little bitch. Don’t be a little bitch.
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you’re such a sweetie pie Mr.Heartiste , it’s obvious the manosphere has been affected and cares(even if it’s not the slightest obligation) a lot more for this boy than the msm, we can all relate in some way to that poor looser
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The Elliott Rodger theme song, as performed in 1934. There’s a world of game in this cheeky tune.
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George Formby, a man waaay ahead of his time:
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Just start riding a motorcyle. Preferably a cheap honda like a night hawk. Learn the bike, and learn how to work on it. Learn how to ride, and forget about everything else. Cuz if you don’t, you’ll crash. Make it your daily commuter, and just keep riding. Eventually something will click, and you’ll find a certain inner peace on two wheels. Before you know it, some chick will be trying to get between you and your bike
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Yep, and she’ll be missing teeth, sporting a faded and misspelled tramp stamp, and she’ll have some beef curtains where labia once were.
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hey whts up piece of shit boy
not like she couldn’t suck a dick they all have their uses
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plus her daughter prob hot as fuck
take the good with the good
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Hey man whatever it’s cool. Ocassionaly a dude ends up seeing his chick ride off on the back of some other dudes bike… Happens a lot at the beach especially with young chicks bored with their dudes. Nothing to be ashamed of player it happens.
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“Stop thinking life is unfair, or girls are unfair to you. There is no such thing as unfair, there is only the way the world works.”
Fucking brilliant.
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MAd Men, that fa66ot-loving show, really did say it best:
There is no Big Lie, there is no grand conspiracy. The universe doesn’t want you to fail; the universe is indifferent.
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That’s complete horseshit.
Among other things, on the scale of epi-cyclic phenomena, we know that all of our elites are united in a massive conspiracy to eradicate the middle class [the only “class” capable of rising up and overthrowing them] and replacing classical liberalism with neo-feudalism.
And more immediately, as regards the day-to-day living of our lives, we know damned well that there are conspiracies about everything – the MSM, the Fed, the NSA, the IRS, the VA – there are fucking conspiracies everywhere you look.
Part of swallowing the Red Pill and dispensing with all the Pretty Little Lies is in acknowledging that EVIL IS REAL and that It is all around us.
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Spot-on post Heartiste. Hope and change indeed. One of the most important things you’ve ever posted.
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this is off topic…But I’m seriously considering not going for blonde hair blue eyed girls anymore… I’m a sucker for them. Yeah my game could be better with some….but, I swear not matter what I always end up losing them somehow. And, ironically, usually to blonde hair blue eyed dudes. It’s fucking annoying though I almost want to give up altogether with them ha.
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Women stick together no matter the cost. My co-worker was in a LTR with a woman. 5 years together. He caught her in bed with their male roommate.
She broke it off and the next day she was sleeping with the roommate who has an IQ of about 80(borderline retarded, as was told to me by the co-worker).
She told two of her female friends what she was doing. They told her that “she was wrong, you shouldn’t be doing this”, blah-blah-blah. These women know the boyfriend, and I’ve worked with both of these females. One of them is a college-educated, over weening little bitch, who thinks that her shit don’t stink. The other female I THOUGHT had somewhat of a heart, but I thought wrong.
These two bitches held this secret for almost two years. We know, as men, NOT to ask ANY woman to hold a secret, because when told something they’ll scream it to the highest mountain. But when women keep secrets that benefit themselves and the “sisterhood”, they can keep them forever.
Co-worker attends a BBQ this past weekend, where these two traitorous females attended also. He asks them both about his cheating GF, and they acknowledge that the GF had cheated, AND had cheated with about 4 or 5 dudes. MY reaction would’ve been to backhand them both, but I refuse to go to jail for assault over a woman.
When asked why these two traitors didn’t tell him about the other guys, they heed and hawed, and said that they didn’t want to get involved with the “drama of their relationship”. This is when I KNEW that they were lying. These women are 21-24 years old. They THRIVE on drama. Young women like this get bored very easily, and unless their lives are in constant turmoil and upheaval, they get bored.
I’ve known for a long time, even as a newbie to Game, that there is a significant majority of women in this country that are inherently evil. They have no empathy. They have no sense of justice. They have no bed-rock ideal of right and wrong.
And their own secretiveness, as well as their scandalous behavior only proves this point once again.
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They have no empathy. They have no sense of justice. They have no bed-rock ideal of right and wrong.
Schopenhauer sez:
So that it will be found that the fundamental fault in the character of women is that they have no “sense of justice.” This arises from their deficiency in the power of reasoning already referred to, and reflection, but is also partly due to the fact that Nature has not destined them, as the weaker sex, to be dependent on strength but on cunning; this is why they are instinctively crafty, and have an ineradicable tendency to lie.
it is what it is, NAWALT?
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I quoted CH about this. Can’t remember what post it was though.
Schopenhauer was a true “misogynist”. But misogyny is the only weapon we have to combat the female mind.
They tell us about “Patriarchy”, and how men rule the world, but the weapons at our disposal for dealing with the unwashed horde, is absolute force and power.
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Ummmm, why is it their obligation to tell the boyfriend he’s being cheated on? They are friends with the girl, not the boyfriend. I wouldn’t get involved either. I’d tell my friend that I was disgusted by what she was doing, but I wouldn’t rat on her.
Flip it around. Your buddy is cheating on his gf… are you going to run to the gf and tattle on him? Or are you going to stay the hell out of it?
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> “I’ve known for a long time, even as a newbie to Game, that there is a significant majority of women in this country that are inherently evil. They have no empathy. They have no sense of justice. They have no bed-rock ideal of right and wrong.”
(This!) X 1000
Stay the hell away from the chicks with The Darkness in their hearts.
Only two small points that I might add:
1) It might still be [substantially] less than a majority when you get away from the SWPL/Hipster Blue State metropolitan concentrations of rank, base nihilism.
2) Thank the Good Lord that you learned that all three girls [the cheating GF and her two friends] were completely evil. Just think – you might have married one of them, and then you might have only come to learn the Truth after about 15 or 20 years, when you DNA-tested your kids and discovered that none of them were actually yours.
Always thank the Good Lord when He gives you priceless insights like that into other people’s true character.
ALWAYS.
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What’s funny Shane, is that one of the friends got nailed by a white-trash gangster wannabe and got pregnant. This dude has THREE other children by THREE other women, and ALL of them were dumped as soon as the baby appeared.
She was warned about his behavior, but to no avail. She posted glorious pics of herself on FB describing her “love” for him, “we’ll always be together” crap like that, until BOOM, baby appears, dude disappears.
Now she complains, and complains and complains about him.
Baby was born 4 months ago. Disparate projection of man hatred? I think so.
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@ch I have a burning question regarding the poon commandment “reward good behavior intermittently and punish swiftly”
Does this mean that you pedestalize the girl your fucking every once and a while? I did this but then regretted it sooo tough afterwards and I think it had a negative effect. I randomly did something nice but it seriously felt like that made her ‘scratch her head’ or something ya know?
If you could somehow possibly provide a few real life examples or this ‘reward intermittently and punish swiftly’ tactic it would be SO greatly appreciated, so that I can better apply it on the hottest girls. Much love/thanks
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When she does something like your laundry, once in a while you tell her you appreciate it and she’s awesome. Most of the time you ignore it or say “That will do pig” (from the movie Babe).
If she comes downstairs inappropriately dressed, send her immediately upstairs to change or do her hair. If she screws up and doesn’t put your laundry away, you threaten to take away her laundry privileges. You can’t let that shit slide or you’ll be living in a shithole in no time.
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I am pleased that CH wrote this up because after hearing of the tragedy I was interested in what CH, et al. would have to say. I believe that it should be added that life is difficult and sometimes even painful for young men these days. It is important to know that life becomes more comfortable later on when you have more power over your life and others.
Also, I don’t think that looks and clothes do not matter to women. Ever hear women talk about how much they notice a man’s shoes? It pays to buy stylish clothes that fit your personality.
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more precisely, looks and clothes don’t matter relative to a debilitating shyness or social awkwardness. if a man’s personality is repulsive to women, no amount of money or stylish clothes will help compensate.
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In my case, I find as I get older and add more gray hairs to my beard that woman respect me more for no reason..
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I’ve been an active reader on this site for over a year now and this is my first time commenting. Chateau’s writing style is predominantly dark and morose so when I read this post I thought ‘what da fuck, even Chateau’s stone-cold soul has pity for grown boys who yearn for advice of becoming strong men’.
‘Your car doesn’t matter. Your clothes don’t matter. Your family’s money or the people they know don’t matter. Do you know what matters to girls? Self-assurance. Act like women already want you, and now it’s just a question of which one you’ll choose.’
When I read the paragraph above a fucking tear rolled down my face! I got fucking mad for tearing up but realized that I’ve come a long way with women.
I wanted to learn Game so bad I began watching skilled womanizers, reading sites like Chateau Heartiste, and went out and applied this Game to my life.
A couple of years ago I didn’t know Game existed so to exercise the fucking power of it is surreal. And for those out there reading this shit know that Game can change your life for the better.
Here is a brief story about the efficacy of Game:
I work in retail and am good at what I do but have lost motivation to bust my ass for a company that holds me back from moving up the corporate ladder.
I work with 7 other people in my store, all between the ages of 21-24. My manager is 21. He drives a nice truck, has money in the bank, muscular, and seems to have charm with women. Even though my manager has all this and wants to bed the girl I’m fucking, he can’t because he beta backslides too often.
So this Dental office opens up next door to us 4 months ago and notice an HB8. Beautiful fucking girl. Everybody at my store always talks about wanting to fuck her. I work with all men except one girl.
Then about 2 months ago she walks into my store and asks to speak to the manager but he had already taken off for the day. My manager had already mentioned to me multiple times how this girl likes him and how she flirts with him. I just laughed it off. I didn’t think about it at the time but I realized he was signaling me to stay away from her, even though he already has a girlfriend he lives with. So I didn’t pay much attention to it.
The next day she comes again. I ran Game on her while one of my coworkers watched in awe. I fuck my customers, maybe a bad thing, but she is too beautiful to pass up. I suggested we go out for frozen yogurt. No number close, even though I already knew it (caller ID), but she had agreed and could see she was into me. She calls back a few days later “asking about her bill” and as I’m about to hang up asks why I haven’t called or texted her. I text her the night after and we begin talking.
The next day I text her to meet me for lunch and she goes. During lunch I remain aloof yet interested. She was into me.
All of a sudden the next few days she constantly calls and texts me. I follow the 2/3 ratio and keep her on her toes. As Friday comes around she’s already comfortable with me but needs to make sure I can pass her shit tests and asks ‘ Do you just want to fuck me?’. I brush it off. Then on Saturday night she comes over my house but she had her 2 kids in the car so I knew it was going to be hard to fuck that night. As she’s leaving she tells me she was going to call in on Tuesday to come over.
Tuesday was my day off. She came over and I beat it up. She wanted to spend the whole day together and though I didn’t like that idea I said fuck it. Now she’s attached to me.
Nobody at work has any idea that I’m fucking her. My manager is always trying to touch her and ask her out. I find this shit funny because even though he thinks he’s slick she tells me about his try-hard advances.
I don’t have a muscular body. I’m a slim mofo. I’m tall but it makes me look even slimmer. I don’t drive a nice car, have any money, or a badass position. Also, I have fucking braces so I hardly smile.
But I do have the most powerful aphrodisiac- Attitude. I don’t give a shit. I’m calm but aggressive. Quiet at times but charismatic.
It’s been said to maximize your strengths and mine is my voice. I have a deep fucking voice and I know that gives women tingles. I’ve also learned to speak in a slow and controlled tone.
At times I question just how fucking powerful Game is. Beautiful women prefer me over my manager or friends, they who have money and higher status positions. Attitude is everything. You don’t have to have mastery over body language, just adopt a few powerful poses.
A couple of years ago I would never have imagined that I’d be sleeping with so many beautiful women without money of celebrity status.
My aloof attitude and abundance mentality have taken me far. For those of you who complain about Game not working- keep pushing. It took me about one year to become good at bedding women. I had a shitload of rejections and flakes but I accepted it and moved on. Just like everything else in life it all comes down to one question: How bad do you want it?
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Great story, and you are 100% on point with it all.
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Good to hear!
Nobody at work has any idea that I’m fucking her. My manager is always trying to touch her and ask her out. I find this shit funny because even though he thinks he’s slick she tells me about his try-hard advances.
So funny. I was in a similar situation once, no one knew I was seeing the girl. It feels good, when you know they want it and you know it won’t happen, because you’re already dating her.
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The leftofemcentric establishment understands what you are going through and sympathises. Or; It’s not that we don’t understand about being a teenager, it’s that we don’t care. Just shut the fuck up and deal with it like we all had too. Which approach would result in the most driveby’s.
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This supposedly male dickless fuckwit consummately demonstrates how, even in what is thought of as a right wing newspaper, the left wing imperative dumps hate on any forum that tells the truth about gender differences in sexuality.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638950/Women-hating-Pick-Up-Artist-groups-laud-virgin-killer-vile-murderous-comments-online.html .
Note how deliberately the facts are manipulated firstly in the title and subsequently throughout the article.
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YKW!
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[…] Some readers have asked, if I had a younger teenaged Elliot Rodger cornered at one of his dad’s Hollyweird parties, what would I have told him, assuming I could sense that the boy was troubled by his perceived failure with girls and suffering great… […]
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Rape!
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/28/glenn-beck-airs-rape-comedy-skit-to-mock-sexual-assaults-in-response-to-calif-shootings/
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on woman and womans “friends”
so my chick was in jail and yea
was always talkin bout me
my fucking value high as fuck in there lol
found out the murderer chick was the one at resteraunt who asked to borrow my phone and I busted on her for talking to fucking long I mean who the fuck borrows a phone and then holds a fucking conversation
that chick one who did do a nice ass tat pic got to admit the shit is tight as fuck
got my dollar sign but hardcore style on me making loot above all else
murderin chick said i was hot though he he he
but so this chick she knew from way back is talking about hitting the club and my girl like well if my gregi greg wants to do it yea
so this chick like no girls night out my girl like no gregi greg wouldn’t like that he’d have to be there to chaperon
chick like i don’t let no man control me you never used to let your husband CONTROL you
my chick says yea but he was a boy my gregi a man
then the weight shit
every bitch telling her to gain wait like she was before well before she was 5′ 1″ weighing 140 pounds and up
so again she had to go against the bitches and do her cardio and leg lifts
showed me her leg lifts and shit naked last night was hot
just like the bitches telling her she gonna run and call a drug dealer when she gets out
she got out and ran and jumped in my arms
god dam will bitches “friends” try to fuck them up
but holy shit i was THE topic of convo in that fucking place lol pretty hot i got to say he he he
so you can imagine how insidious the divorce shit gets
you got to have a pretty strong bitch to not have her get all fucked up by all the fucking snakes whispering in her ear
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allright beginning of end I let her read the shit
she had a correction she was 5′ 5″
and 170 and up he he he
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I would tell him to space out his paragraphs to improve readability!
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If only he had this advice and just worked hard enough at it he could have stopped being autistic …..
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I could find a bitch to at least pretend to love him if he was a drooling vegetable
but you know how fake it till ya make it sometimes works
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The problem is that the YKW culture industry decided to irrationally blame ephemeral things like PUA.
Instead of a bad therapist, a lousy dad and mom and a defective brain.
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Would you rather he blame black people like you do?
(Greg Eliot has entered the building)
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In this case is blame
1. A defective brain. (It’s congenital and possibly the horrific consequence of race mixing)
2. A horribly confused identity. Definitely race mixing.
3. A bad home. Successful dad who couldn’t care less. A dad who deprived his boy of a real identity. Could he have been at college in England for example? Yes.
3. Poor Tiger Mom as nurturer. If I’m partly white and wish to be white (like Pinocchio) a Ching Chong mum isn’t very good as a role model.
4. Evil step mother. This is a killer. The African took his dad away.
5. A culture saturated with lies about Gentlemanly Conduct and feminist sacred cows. This was gonna lead to a miserable youth for him. Most men are told that Nice Guys finish last by their dad.
6. Expensive useless therapy conducted by charlatans. Female charlatans as it turns out.
The defective brain should be looked at in the autopsy.
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The kid barely had a chance, It wasn’t even sex that he craved but a sense of worth. He just thought that the way to get it was from a woman.
Getting divorced and letting your new girlfriend tell you that you can’t see your son anymore is one of the more despicable things i’ve ever heard. If i got divorced and some girl i was seeing told my son he couldn’t come over to my house to seem me i’d kick her out the door before she could finish her sentence.
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But how can you blame anyone with less than 70 IQ?..so states the USSC.
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Outstanding comments by Director and matt.
(“This!”) X 1000
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Plus his mom was on the Pill and some kind of flu medication when he was conceived – not a healthy primordial mix for zygote Elliot.
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http://www.returnofkings.com/36397/elliot-rodger-is-the-first-male-feminist-mass-murderer
My hands are tied as I’m banned there, but it is inspiring to see all of you guys taking every ball lobbed and just knocking it out of the park. If you haven’t added your testimony to http://therationalmale.com/2014/05/27/the-severing/comment-page-2/#comments, get over there and do your duty to the men who have brought you so much insight. Rollo is asking for testimonials and that post should have 500 comments. Heartiste, you’re on fire. The Spearhead is pointedly sharp. Bases are loaded; swing for the fences. The Manosphere hasn’t produced a killer, but it has produced four engagements/marriages (and that’s only counting the ones I know about.)
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We promise we won’t tell your fiancee about your history as a mudshark.
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NOT!
LOL’ed.
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Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.
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went over started payingwith my chicks clit
she said that hurts to lol
she laughin says why don’t you call a ho
I said I wanted my pussy broke but it was broke yesterday
so yea that is how you get permission to have other bitches
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she was hiding went and found her and fucked her in the landing on the rug on stairs she took for a bit but then yea lolzolololz
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alpha/beta moment
my chick takes me out this morning she want mcds
we stop she pulls 700 off her card hands it to me
i’m like I guess we can pay your fines the level headed responsible provider part of me says
then the playfull motherfucker comes out or I can spend this on some gold for myself
she says yea thats fine don’t have to pay my fines you can do what you want with it i put it in youor pocket for a reason
so go down courthouse i guess she can do community service for the fines so yea kind of hot he he he
700 for 24 hours of my game not too bad gigalo time haahahhahaah
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One other piece of advice….don’t mimic beta orbiters..those ‘nice guys” who seem to always have tons of hot girls around…they’re not fucking.
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Lift heavy weights consistently for a year. Look in the mirror – fuck, is that really me? Look and feel good – hey why not!
The moment when I understood what I had been bought up on was bullcrap – when my old girlfriend who told me she liked it when I was “gentle” but only orgasmed when I was rough. Knowing when and where she would cum from then on was a hell of an ego boost. Boy to beta to alpha. At least in my mind- which is all that counts.
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Excellent work.
And always keep the orgasms flowing in your beeyotchez.
A happy woman is an orgasming woman.
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EXCLUSIVE – ‘She couldn’t wait and allowed him to seduce her in a creaky French elevator’: Bombshell book reveals Jackie Kennedy’s secret lovers, her revenge on JFK with William Holden, her steamy night with Brando and her forbidden affairs with Bobby AND Teddy
28 May 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2640882/EXCLUSIVE-She-wait-allowed-seduce-creaky-French-elevator-Jackie-Kennedys-secret-lovers-revenge-JFK-William-Holden-steamy-night-Brando-forbidden-affairs-Bobby-AND-Teddy.html
‘I knew that women didn’t find him a great lover’, Jackie confided. ‘He certainly wasn’t. He wanted a quickie and then he was back on the phone talking with some silly politician. When he did have sex with me, he would turn over and go to sleep right away. There I was listening to his snoring and almost crying at my lack of fulfillment as a woman’.
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Eliot Rodger’s philosophy of life most certainly did not ential PUA ideals. He planned to kill his younger brother for the most explicit reason that is younger brother had “social savvy,” a core concept of PUA lifestyle. He also wanted to kill his father who could have easily scored Eliot some top-grade puss if Eliot had emluated him in any way. It was clear from the start that E.R. was a chemically unbalanced human being.
http://metro.co.uk/2014/05/27/virgin-killer-elliot-rodger-planned-to-kill-his-stepmother-and-six-year-old-brother-4740695/
A person who tries to equate PUA with Eliot Rodger has an agenda, not to save lives, but to control and alter normal male behavior and thus should not be taken seriously.
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Accept that women are different, and like different things in men than you like in them. That means stop worrying about your looks so much. They aren’t that important.<<<<
A point lost on most of America and certainly in a place as "progressive" as Santa Barbara. If E.R. is a product of "social construct," then they (in essence the anti-puas) created the monster. They are in this sense a terrorist organization.
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urgent request for CH:
girl i am currently dating was invited to ex-bf bday party tomorrow. i am invited as well.
what’s the right move here? say we don’t go? is that too beta/weak? just go?
[CH: weird scenario. what kind of guy invites his ex-gf and her current boyfriend to his party? three kinds: desperate retards, asexual hipsters, or sociopathic alphas who truly believe they can win the girl back with some sort of mano a mano demonstration of social acumen. i suppose your answer will depend on what kind of man you’re dealing with, and for how long you’ve been dating this girl.
if the ex is harmless, i’d be tempted to just tell her to have fun. actually, i’d be tempted to do this whatever the risk involved. your cavalier attitude should keep her in line.]
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don’t go
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Danger Will Robinson! The fact that she would even consider going sets off every alarm bell in my head immediately, whether you are invited or not. Clearly you don’t have this bitch on total lockdown, I’d work on that first and foremost.
Second, it may be that she is a girl that can’t be locked down in which case keep her at arm’s length, find other women to date / sex with, and let her go wherever she pleases from now on.
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“The fact that she would even consider going sets off every alarm bell in my head immediately, whether you are invited or not.”
This.
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Thanks CH, no. Maybe just a courtesy call? we’ve been dating three months.
Anyway she sent me message with invitation this morning. I did not answer. After three hours of silence she texted me “I love you”.
Silence always wins?
I don’t think i’ll go and i am pretty sure she won’t go either if i don’t. i’ll let you know.
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thanks Jay. it is not clear if she’s thinking about going. i haven’t talked to her (i kinda want her to bring it up, like i don’t care). it feels she just told me as in “oh this is weird my ex-bf invited me and you to his bday party” and waits for a reaction from me, rather than “oh i am going to a party tomorrow and you’re invited as well”
i’ll let you know when i actually talk to her.
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> “Silence always wins? I don’t think i’ll go and i am pretty sure she won’t go either if i don’t.”
MAINTAIN RADIO SILENCE.
This is a huge test for her.
She must face it on her own.
If she goes, then IMMEDIATE NEXT.
If she doesn’t go, then it’s a good sign that she is starting to invest herself in YOU.
Hang in there.
Do not back down.
MAN UP.
HOLD FRAME.
SPINE OF STEEL.
DO NOT FLINCH.
PS: And if you wuss out and go to that fucking party then I swear I will hunt you down and pull a Rodger/Lanza/Cho on your sorry ass.
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..tell her you have something better for her…a special surprise…then get ice cream or something…
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Another important factor is if he’s single or not. If he has a girlfriend/date and she’ll be there it’s not the biggest deal, he’s probably being genuinely friendly.
If he’s single though, this is a bit weird. Say you don’t want to go and don’t want her going if it makes you uncomfortable. Don’t be afraid to be “real” and keep your frame. Keeping your frame means it’s clear you’re “willing to walk away” if she doesn’t respect you.
If she pulls some shit accusing you of being controlling, point out most people would be uncomfortable with this specific situation, just a lot of guys don’t know how/don’t think they’re allowed to express this, for fear of this exact accusation. If you don’t like it, WALK. And mean it.
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You don’t have to be super srs about it even, just being like “lol we’re not going to that gay shit.”
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..I wouldn’t give a reason…
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Suggest not going, then go. (They’d want the stimulation in any case.) If you haven’t had sex, you should be fine as the bloke goes, Tell the girl that you’re not that interested in having sex with her, in a relational context. This is appealing to females. Remain in a relationship with her.
This can’t go on, I must inform the law.
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Ok, my ex gf went out with a guy in our social circle who asked her out for her birthday. She said they went to an Italian restaurant—just the two of them.
I immediately smelled something weird. The guy is a creeper and he clearly wanted to get into her pants. She meantime used this “triangulation” to get me jealous. I was not happy and was ready to dump her.
I distanced myself from her for a week, then laid into her about it.
Instead of apologizing, my normally jealous girl accused me of being “Crazy” (projection???) and then broke up.
I blanked her for 3 months then we kind of met up at my New Year’s Eve party…we kind of started talking and she suggested we go out.
A week later she suddenly canceled on some flimsy premise of being stressed, in trouble and dealing with a complicated house moving.
I let it go.
A few weeks later she starts madly texting me….to be “friends”….
I then discover a photo of her at a bar the day AFTER the day we were supposed to meet up. In the photo is that guy mentioned above.
I told her to fuck off. That was 4 months ago. I danced with her one night…that was it.
The point of this detailed narrative…if this smells weird to you…. it IS weird.
Your intuition about WHY would she go to this guy’s house is totally awkward.
Not going. Or any of the other sage advice here is the way to go.
I don’t know the state of your relationship but this situation is not cool.
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guys update after the fact.
she raised the issue at dinner when i met her after my radio silence. i said “i have no interest in going to this party”. she said “but a lot of my friends are there”. i said, following CH, “you can go if you want to”. she pouted a bit and said “i am not going if you are not going”.
the day of the party i took her to the river to feed the ducks. she loved it.
another victory for game. thanks so much guys.
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This one has the web links properly included in the argument.
This isn’t related to this post but I thought it might be worthwhile as an example of a dialectical exchange with a feminist who claims “feminism is just about equality.”
It logically deconstructs it and shows the statement to be false, and it can easily be trotted out again and again when feminists try to make the statement.
It could be condensed into a more general form, perhaps even be given its own name, i.e. “the feminist equality fallacy.” Sounds nice to me.
However I think there is also some merit in keeping it in its dialectical form.
a) It shows the feminist flailing about trying to change the issues and refusing to address the simple proposition I put forward
b) a) above shows that feminist arguments aren’t based on reason but misinformation, ignorance and or lies.
c) it demonstrates how to stick to your guns and keep an opponent squarely within the confines of an argument that they are going to lose and not let them change the frame of the argument to one where they won’t lose.
If this comment is too long feel free to delete it, I only put it here so that others might be also able to make use of it. For instance I also posted it over here to hopefully point out to a feminist that feminism isn’t about equality.
http://www.returnofkings.com/36397/elliot-rodger-is-the-first-male-feminist-mass-murderer#comment-1410068820
http://www.returnofkings.com/36397/elliot-rodger-is-the-first-male-feminist-mass-murderer#comment-1410069093
Here it is:
You think feminism is about equality? Read this exchange I had with a feminist, (although he didn’t call himself one he definitely was), about whether feminism is about equality.
The whole argument can be found in the comment section of this blog post.
http://www.returnofkings.com/8034/5-ways-to-emasculate-a-man
chris: “I guess I can assume you’d be OK with some gay guys putting their fingers up your asshole and jerking off on you while you’re passed out, then taking pictures of it and spreading it around to everyone you know.”
That’s not the issue he was arguing.
Equality is about men and women having the same social and legal rights and privileges.
If a group of men fondling and masturbating on an unconscious woman is rape and unacceptable, yet a group of women fondling and masturbating on an unconscious man isn’t rape and isn’t unacceptable, what do you have? Unequal social and legal rights and privileges between men and women with women having the higher social and legal rights and privileges compared to men.
The issue you brought up was about equality between homosexuals and heterosexuals.
The outrage a lot of men in the manosphere have I think is a product of feminists picking and choosing what legal and social rights they want to be equal with while retaining those social and legal rights were inequality favours them. What does this produce, inequality in social and legal rights in favour of women.
(Do I think a man aggravatingly raping a woman is worse than a woman aggravatingly raping a man? Yes. But that’s because I accept that men and women are different and hence granting them unequal social and legal rights and privileges is just. I am consistent in my thinking. Feminists aren’t. Feminists propound equality in theory but deliver inequality in practice because they are an evil and hypocritical ideology.)
Ratatatat: Where have feminists supposedly ever argued:
a group of women fondling and masturbating on an unconscious man isn’t rape and isn’t unacceptable
…or is that just something you made up?
chris: A person’s actions speak loudest.
Feminists NEVER address the norm in the culture above. They never advocate, agitate or proselytize against it. But they will do all that and more for the opposite situation.
Another one feminists NEVER address is reproductive rights for men. If a woman conceives, she can; abort, adopt, abandon, raise on her own or with coerced support from the biological father or community.
A man conceives he can; do whatever the woman wants.
When men have the reproductive CHOICE to determine their parental responsibilities after conception, the same as women, then you will have equality in reproductive rights. Only one feminist I know of has ever argued for this and her reasoned and consistent thinking on this issue has been shouted down and out by the gender feminists in academia.
http://www.salon.com/2000/10/19/mens_choice/
“Some maverick feminists agree with this view. Karen DeCrow, an attorney who served as president of the National Organization for Women from 1974 to 1977, has written that “if a woman makes a unilateral decision to bring pregnancy to term, and the biological father does not, and cannot, share in this decision, he should not be liable for 21 years of support … autonomous women making independent decisions about their lives should not expect men to finance their choice.”
Yet, by and large, feminists and pro-choice activists have not been sympathetic to calls for men’s reproductive freedom. “If there is a birth, the man has an obligation to support the child,” says Marcia Greenberger, co-president of the National Women’s Law Center. “The distinction with respect to abortion is the physical toll that it takes on a woman to carry a fetus to term, which doesn’t have any translation for men. Once the child is born, neither can walk away from the obligations of parenthood.” (Actually, a woman can give up the child for adoption, often without the father’s consent, and be free of any further obligation.)
Indeed, on the issue of choice for men, staunch supporters of abortion rights can sound like an eerie echo of the other side: “They have a choice — use condoms, get sterilized or keep their pants on.” “They should think about the consequences before they have sex.” (The irony is not lost on men’s choice advocates or pro-lifers.) Yes, some admit, it’s unfair that women still have a choice after conception and men don’t, but biology isn’t fair. As a male friend of mine succinctly put it, “Them’s the breaks.””
Ratatatat: When men have the reproductive CHOICE to determine their parental responsibilities after conception, the same as women, then you will have equality in reproductive rights.
I suppose that will happen when men start to carry babies as women do. Sorry, but it is the woman who carries the baby for ~9 months. She is always going to have the final say so as to what happens – as it should be. Women are not baby making slaves to men in that regard. I don’t think you have thought through the logic as to the fundamental reason why the law is logically asymmetrical. It is like you think pregnancy affects men the same way it affects women. It differs in very pertinent and physical ways that are simply too unavoidable to ignore.
Secondly, are you going to answer my question above or are you just trying oddly to change the subject?
chris: “I suppose that will happen when men start tocarry babies as women do. Sorry, but it is the woman who carries the baby for ~9 months. She is always going to have thefinal say so as to what happens – as it should be. Women are not baby making slaves to men in that regard. I don’t think you have thought through the logic as to thefundamental reason why the law is logically asymmetrical. It is like you think pregnancy affects men the same way it affects women. It differs in very pertinent and physical ways that are simply too unavoidable to ignore.”
What you are arguing here is that men and women are different and therefore should have unequal social and legal rights and privileges Yet feminism is based on an equality of social and legal rights and privileges between women. This is a contradiction.
“Women are not baby making slaves to men in that regard.”
Nor should they be. Neither should men be labour-making slaves, pack mules for women and her children, children they never consented t having.
” It is like you think pregnancy affects men the same way it affects women. It differs in very pertinent and physical ways that are simply too unavoidable to ignore.”
I’m not arguing women should be forced to have children, what I’m arguing for here is men have the same CHOICE to abort their parental and financial responsibilities, the same as women do, anything less is unequal.
” I don’t think you have thought through the logic as to thefundamental reason why the law is logically asymmetrical.”
I have thought through the logic, I have clearly set it out in every post.
1) Feminism is about women and men having the same social and legal rights and privileges.
2) Women have the social and legal right to choice when and where to end their financial and parental responsibilities after conception.
3) Men don’t.
4) Thus we have an inequality in social and legal rights and privileges between men and women in this instance.
5) Feminists don’t give a shit about this inequality, therefore one must infer that feminists aren’t pro-equality, they are pro-inequality in favour of women.
“Secondly, are you going to answer my question above or are you just trying oddly to change the subject?”
I did answer it, it was the first paragraph I wrote.
Now you might say, “mwraaagh!i said show proof of a feminist makignt hat exact argument other wise your prior argument is false!”
Well first off, my prior argument was that feminists argue for the condition of inequality in favour of women, that condition will be satisfied if feminists only agitate in favour of removing inequalities that disadvantage women and never in favour of inequalities that advantage women, which is the general case.
Furthermore, your reasoning used in your above post, arguing for unequal social and legal rights and privileges is in itself evidence of that general case.
Ratatatat: I did answer it, it was the first paragraph I wrote.
No. That is not an acceptable response. You are merely trying to argue that because “feminists” argue for asymmetrical legal consideration towards pregnancy, then they must think the exact same way about “a group of women fondling and masturbating on an unconscious man isn’t rape and isn’t unacceptable”. You have done nothing at all to support that ridiculous argument.
chris: FFS Post Dammit
My original assertion was that feminism wasn’t about equality, which I think I have proved in argument.
I did provide an example of inequality about rape, but I declined to follow up on establishing the truth value of that example since the effort expended to establish such truth was rather high. Thus I switched to the example of reproductive rights as the effort expended to establish the truth value of that example was much lower.
The fact that I switched which examples I went on to prove in the bigger picture doesn’t really matter.
If my argument retained soley to the rape examples than yes, my decision not to establish it’s truth value would be problematic, but that was not my argument. The rape example was merely used to attempt to elucidate my initial argument that feminism isn’t about equality in social and legal rights and privileges between men and women. Due to the fact that this argument is a universal claim to equality the mere fact that I choose not to prove the truth value of one counter-example to it doesn’t matter as long as I can come up with another counter-example which I do prove. Which I did with the reproductive rights example.
Ratatatat: I’m not arguing women should be forced to have children, what I’m arguing for here is men have the same CHOICE to abort their parental and financial responsibilities, the same as women do, anything less is unequal.
If that were the case, would you ever use protection during casual sex? Responsibility has to start somewhere. Right? You can’t just get a girl pregnant and then say – oops. Ma bad. And then walk away with her left to raise the baby or abort it (maybe you throw her some cash), simply because you are on record against the live birth.
Logically leaving the ultimate choice to the woman is a way to make sure men who do not want babies are more responsible at trying to take reasonable measures to prevent conception in the first place.
And before you say the woman has responsibility, that is a given – as she will be the one who has to go through the birth or abortion, which has its own costs – mental and physical.
If men were able to have the final say on whether an abortion occurs, then men would be absolved of every consequence to their action while the woman goes through all of the trouble. There has to be some give and take to the law.
chris: “If that were the case, would you ever
use protection during casual sex? Responsibility has to start somewhere. Right? You can’t just get a girl pregnant and then say – oops. Ma bad. And then walk away with her left to raise the baby or abort it (maybe you throw her some cash), simply because you are on record against the live birth.
Logically leaving the ultimate choice to the woman is a way to make sure men who do not want babies are more responsible at trying to take reasonable measures to prevent conception in the first place.
And before you say the woman has responsibility, that is a given – as she will be the one who has to go through the birth or abortion, which has its own costs – mental and physical.
If men were able to have the final say on whether an abortion occurs, then men would be absolved of every consequence to their action while the woman goes through all of the trouble. There has to be some give and take to the law.”
Don’t you find it ironic that the exact same arguments were used against the legalisation of abortion? Read the Salon article I linked.
And all of this doesn’t change the fact that feminism isn’t about equality between men and women in social and legal rights and privileges All you are arguing here is that such differences in legal and social rights and privileges are necessary.
Ratatatat: Not only are they necessary, but they are unavoidable. Therefore using them to demonstrate supposed inequality is futile. If the rules were the opposite, they would still be unequal (in favor of the other side) and there is no practical middle ground.
I think that is what makes the argument so pointless. For the lions share of law, gender equality is achievable and practical.
chris: So feminism isn’t about equality in social and legal rights and privileges between men and women?
(Just say yes….)
Ratatatat: Why don’t you ask a feminist? I think feminism is about equality. I just don’t view it as some sort of absolute.
chris: I’m asking you.
Don’t you have an opinion?
Ratatatat: I think it is about equality. I just don’t think it is absolute in the sense you are taking it. I don’t think it is presented as such either.
chris: If it is not universal, then it is not equality, because equality is binary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_equality
If it is not equality, then it is inequality.
Thus feminism is about inequality.
MY LOGIC UNASSAILABLE!!! RAWR!!!
Ratatatat: If 99% of the mission is dedicated to equality and 1% is not able to attain equality due to its nature, then you cannot claim that the entire group is about inequality. It is a blatantly false conclusion.
chris: Uhh no.
If it is not universal, then it is not equality, because equality is binary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_equality
If it is not equality, then it is inequality.
Thus feminism is about inequality.
Ratatatat: What you are arguing here is that men and women are different and therefore should have unequal social and legal rights and privileges Yet feminism is based on an equality of social and legal rights and privileges between women. This is a contradiction.
I think you are being a bit naive. Nobody – feminist or otherwise is arguing that there is no physical/biological difference between men and women. The law should apply equally – except where these notable distinctions take place and are germane to the laws at hand. It would be ridiculous for a man or a woman to argue that men should have the final say as to a fairly common biological function that goes on in a woman’s body – that is specific to being a woman. You are looking for some kind of contradiction that nobody who has any basic logical sense would argue against.
chris: “I think you are being a bit naive. Nobody – feminist or otherwise is arguing that there is no physical/biological difference between men and women.”
But they still argue for equal social and legal rights and privileges between men and women.
“The law should apply equally – except where these notable distinctions take place and are germane to the laws at hand.”
Hence men and women should have unequal social rights and privileges in some instances. Hence contradicting the earlier (universal) statement for equal social and legal rights and privileges between men and women.
My, and I believe alot of people in the manospheres anger is over the fact that where such inequalities are allowed to exist in social and legal rights and privileges they are to women’s advantage and men’s disadvantage. Yet in all instances where such inequalities in the social and legal rights between men and women are to a man’s advantage they are under assault by the feminist establishment. If you start from a position of inequality, where each side has rights and privileges that the other side does not, and you only seek to remove the advantageous rights and privileges of one side, then you aren’t in favour of equality, you are in favour of inequality favouring the side of those whose unequal advantages in rights and privileges you do not remove.
“It would be ridiculous for a man or a woman to argue that men should have the final say as to a fairly common biological function that goes on in a woman’s body – that is specific to being a woman.”
I am not arguing that. Women should have the final say in abortion. Instead, what I am arguing is that equality in reproductive choice in this instance can be achieved by giving men the option to remove all financial and parental obligations and rights should they choose to do so before the continuation of the pregnancy It is called a “paper/financial abortion”.
Ratatatat: Hence men and women should have unequal social rights and privileges in some instances. Hence contradicting the earlier (universal) statement for equal social and legal rights and privileges between men and women.
It is an exception, but not one inconsistent with logic.
chris: The logic is right there, of course it is inconsistent.
1)Universal claim.
2)Particular instance negating universal claim.
3)CONTRADICTION
Ratatatat: If I am not mistaken, the “Universal claim” is your own construction.
chris: Then you agree that feminism is not about equal social and legal rights and privileges between men and women, because the only way for such a statement to be true is for it to be universal.
Ratatatat: No. I don’t agree. I don’t think a single reasonable exception invalidates the general idea. You can’t (without reason) yell “fire!” in a crowded theater, but you still have a general right to free speech.
chris: “I don’t think a single reasonable exception invalidates the general idea.”
In logic it does.
Ratatatat: No. It doesn’t. Not if the general idea at hand is a rigid straw man of your own creation.
chris: It is basic logic, A single counter-example contradicts a universal claim.
But I have to say, I’m glad you finally agree with me that feminism isn’t about equality.
It shows great courage and intellectual character on your part. I’m proud of you.
Ratatatat: The universal claim in this instance being a straw man.
I disagree. I think feminism is about equality, but I am no feminist. I am not exactly sure what one is. I like women and I think they should have the same rights as men under the law in most instances.
chris: “I like women and I think they should have the same rights as men under the law in most instances.”
Thus in other instances they will have different rights. Hence inequality.
Ratatatat: In those instances there will always be inequality as when two people of different genders in a pregnancy dispute who may have a conflicting interest, one will win and one will lose. It is a moot distinction. There is no way to have absolute equality unless you can come up with something. Do you suggest transplanting half of a fetus into the belly of a man or something? I am open to your suggestions as to how such “equality” can be practically achieved in a way that does not bring inequality right back in.
chris: Equality of choice with respect to whether one is obligated to take up financial and parental responsibility. Men having a one off chance once being notified of the pregnancy to have a “paper/financial abortion”. This would achieve practical equality in reproductive choice between men and women.
“who may have a conflicting interest, one will win and one will lose.”
Be careful, you’re heading to the dark side here. There is no such thing as right and wrong only power! and all that stuff.
Ratatatat: So if a man doesn’t want the responsibility to be a father, he just signs a piece of paper and perhaps pays some money. What about the real and potential physical damage to the woman? What about the emotional problems/pain? The loss of work regardless of whether she decides to keep it or not? I can’t help but think you are just shifting around the inequality and possibly creating a situation that leads to many more abortions and perhaps much more bastardy.
chris: Those exact same arguments can also apply to men who have no say in whether a woman aborts his baby but they don’t seem to hold water there.
Also, she could always just adopt the kid off.
And it still doesn’t change the fact that she has choices of her autonomy that the man doesn’t, and she can legally enslave him into servitude for 18 years, something he can’t do to her.
” I can’t help but think you are just shifting around the inequality and possibly creating a situation that leads to many more abortions and perhaps much more bastardy.”
Actually I think it would lead to less abortions and bastardy.
And who says bastardy is a bad thing. As a bastard I take offence at that!
(You do realise all of your argument here also reduces down to “the end justifies the means?”)
chris: “Feminism is about the legal and social equality in rights and privileges between men and women.”
The statement is only a strawman if I misrepresent the opponents position
The only way for me to logically misrepresent the opponents position is for feminism TO NOT be a universal claim to equality about the legal and social equality in rights and privileges between men and women.
Thus proving my point.
It either is a universal claim or it isn’t.
And the thing about universal claims to equality is something can ONLY be equal or unequal.
Ratatatat: No. You have a basic misunderstanding of logic. A strawman is an argument that there is no evidence a person has made, it has nothing to do with the negation of that argument – one way or the other.
chris: I’m going to go by the definition presented in wikipedia as it’s an open source for everyone to observe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man#Structure
The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:
1)Person 1 has position X.
2)Person 2 disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y.
3)Person 2 attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.
What I am arguing is that in order for Person 1 to have Position X, it has to be something other than Position Y (which is my initial argument).
Now Position Y is a universal claim as to equality. For Position X to be something other than Position Y it can’t be a universal claim as to equality.
Now the logical concept of equality is binary. Something is either equal or unequal. Even just a little but unequal is still unequal. And there is no such thing as a little bit equal, it’s still unequal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_equality
Thus for Position X to be something other than Position Y, and Position Y is a universal claim to equality, then Position X must be something other than a universal claim to equality, and since logically speaking equality is binary, Position X must be a claim to (some instance of) inequality.
Which is what I’ve been arguing all along.
Thus the only way for you to prove your argument that my claim is a strawman is to demonstrate that the position I’m misrepresenting is something other than universal equality between men and women, which is what I’ve been arguing all along!
Ratatatat: Considering we have demonstrated that what you call “universal equality” is not even possible, I consider the entire point to be moot.
chris: Just say, “feminism is not about equality” and I will stop and agree with you.
chris: Or better yet say “feminism is about inequality favouring women.”
chris: Then you agree with me that feminism is not about equality between men and women in social and legal rights and privileges.
I’m proud of you. Come here and let me hug you!
chris: “Yet feminism is based on an equality of social and legal rights and privileges between women.”
Should be
Yet feminism is based on an equality of social and legal rights and privileges between men and women.
Ratatatat: Most social and legal situations have nothing to do with pregnancy. If a man litters and is punished then a woman should be held to the same standard for committing the same offense under the law, however, pregnancy by its own nature is asymmetrical in the most simple fact that men do not bear children. It would be foolish to argue as if the distinctions between men and women would not be significant in that case. I have never seen any feminist argue that woman and men are physically exactly the same and significant differences such as pregnancy should be ignored – that does not mean that a woman does not have the same Constitutional rights as any man would have. Don’t be ridiculous.
chris: But that is unequal and contradicts the statement of feminism being for the social and legal equality in rights and privileges between men and women.
Again from above;
“My, and I believe alot of people in the manospheres anger is over the fact that where such inequalities are allowed to exist in social and legal rights and privileges they are to women’s advantage and men’s disadvantage. Yet in all instances where such inequalities in the social and legal rights between men and women are to a man’s advantage they are under assault by the feminist establishment. If you start from a position of inequality, where each side has rights and privileges that the other side does not, and you only seek to remove the advantageous rights and privileges of one side, then you aren’t in favour of equality, you are in favour of inequality favouring the side of those whose unequal advantages in rights and privileges you do not remove.”
Ratatatat: Again, the “universal statement” is your own construct. I would prefer that you quote a real feminist argument instead of your own to begin with.
Secondly, the subject of pregnancy is something that cannot be treated equally as one person has to physically carry the child and the other does not. The fact that it is a reasonably exceptional case does not negate the viability of the argument that men and women should be treated equally under the law in most or perhaps every other instance.
chris: Thus you agree that feminism is not about equality between men and women in social and legal rights and privileges. Instead it is about inequality.
Ratatatat: It is unequal in one sense – as it should be – that does not invalidate the rest of it as you seem to believe.
chris: In logic it does.
Ratatatat: No it does not. By that reasoning, there would be no freedom of speech, because we cannot libel/slander someone or that all men are not created equal – because we are not all the same. These are rhetorical generalities – and I might add – your own construction.
chris: Rhetoric isn’t logic. In fact, since the time of ancient Greece, rhetoric has been maligned as the tool by which sophists mislead the masses. Glad to see you coming around to the manosphere point of view.
I’m proud of you.
Ratatatat: No. I don’t agree with you. Sorry.
chris: Look it’s not your fault.
Open up to me. Let me love you.
Ratatatat: I don’t watch random youtube videos. All of your posts appear to be an attempt to obfuscate the fact that you never backed up your apparently false assertion from my original question. Thanks for playing, but I am pretty sure it just isn’t going to happen at this point.
chris: Then you’ve never lived.
chris: My original assertion was that feminism wasn’t about equality, which I think I have proved in argument.
I did provide an example of inequality about rape, but I declined to follow up on establishing the truth value of that example since the effort expended to establish such truth was rather high. Thus I switched to the example of reproductive rights as the effort expended to establish the truth value of that example was much lower.
The fact that I switched which examples I went on to prove in the bigger picture doesn’t really matter.
If my argument retained soley to the rape examples than yes, my decision not to establish it’s truth value would be problematic, but that was not my argument. The rape example was merely used to attempt to elucidate my initial argument that feminism isn’t about equality in social and legal rights and privileges between men and women. Due to the fact that this argument is a universal claim to equality the mere fact that I choose not to prove the truth value of one counter-example to it doesn’t matter as long as I can come up with another counter-example which I do prove. Which I did with the reproductive rights example.
Ratatatat: And I am saying that you are trying to hard to point to an obvious and accepted exception to try to disprove the larger point that is apparently valid – that women should be largely treated as equally under the law as possible, paid the same amount for working the same job and not treated badly from a social perspective. I don’t think you have done anything to take away from that overall message, which I think is worthwhile and definitely about equality.
chris: I agree with all those messages. Women should be largely treated as equally under the law as possible, paid the same amount for working the same job and not treated badly from a social perspective.
(In fact, you could probably characterise me as an equity feminist.)
What I am arguing per se is that feminism is not about equality. And there are instances were feminists will push for (or not against) unequal social and legal rights and privileges that are unfair to men.
Ratatatat: I disagree. I think your proposed change to pregnancy choices would be unfair to women. There is no position in my opinion that would be completely equal to either. I should also note that fair and equal are not interchangeable words.
chris: So feminism isn’t about equality?
Ratatatat:Solely in regards that single exception, that might be a fair statement, but it would be erroneous to claim on the whole.
You’ll note that throughout the exchange, several times I got him to admit that “feminism is not about equality”, but the whole experience was like pulling teeth.
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Yeah so… little long. 🙂 To be honest with you, and I’m not being a dick or obtuse (though I’m known to be both on many occasions) your argument is solid and logic based, but pointless and futile ultimately.
You are talking to an audience who abhor logic and facts. The entire worldview of the progressives be it on gender, income gap, race, whatever is based on emotion. Period.
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it’s important to have the logic worked out nevertheless
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Holy shit. This was….unbelievable.
I believe Aristotle himself said that dialectic is impossible with some people. You just proved it.
Just tell him that you don’t give a shit if women suffer during pregnancy. They should’ve thought about that before they let someone knock them up.
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Her rebuttal: “but we are for equality except for in this one small case where it’s obvious that there are biological differences..” while it can be shown to be logically fallacious, can also be more effectively rebutted than pointing out the logical inconsistencies. It’s false as a ‘general principle’ as well:
1) “this one small case..” is hugely deceptive. From that one small biological difference a whole infrastructure of Laws, courts, custody and alimony are derived. What has the biological fact that women carry a baby to term got to do with them getting preferential custody? What has 9 months of physical or emotional strain (that they chose, it could last only a couple of months, if they choose.) got to do with 18 years of indentured servitude? A whole cultural edifice that has decades long repercussions in terms of unequal treatment is predicated (unjustly) on that “one small case”
2) If she claims that “we are for equality except where there are clear physical differences” why are feminists pushing for “equality” in the military? While pregnancy is a clear biological difference, so is size, musculature, susceptibility to overuse injury etc. For infantry troops it has been shown that standards have to be lowered to accommodate women in that role and even in those cases women still get hip and knee injuries at a much higher rate despite carrying lighter loads. Yada yada about technology negating physical differences, but women can carry less total technology than men on average. And even female powerlifters use smaller diameter bars than the men to accommodate smaller grips. How can technology make up for the fact that pistols that have the ammunition in the grip need to be a certain size to accommodate the rounds, when women need smaller grips? Make the grips smaller by having smaller rounds? A smaller round is less effective. And the average woman can carry less – therefore carrying less ammunition. Make the rounds lighter so they can carry more? The biological differences between men and women have a direct clear and obvious impact on infantry performance, yet this is a clear case that, when presented with a ‘small case where there are obvious biological differences..” that might allow men to have some rights that women can’t (and most wouldn’t’ want, compared to how many men would want a say in wether they are liable for decades of indentured servitude) the feminists won’t make an “equivalent” exception to the Equality standard.
So even her assertation that they are for Equality as a “principle” with exceptions allowed for biology, instead of an absolute – can be shown to be not true “as a principle” either.
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Nobody brings up the father-daughter dynamic when discussing game and women, but I think it’s relevant. Think about it, for the earliest days of a young girl’s life, interacting with a male (her father) involves bear hugs, tickle sessions, chasing them around like a monster, slapping their tushes and hips in a playful manner, stealing kisses from them when they’re being stingy, throwing them in the air, twirling them around, making fake fart noises on their bellies with your mouth, teasing them, yelling at them (cause Mom won’t and somebody needs to discipline them), and protecting them when they get hurt. And through all this type of fun, dominate behavior, the girls LOVE it. This behavior is dominate because Dads are much bigger than their daughters so they can’t exactly stop us when we show our affection like this.
My four-year-old daughter pleads and pleads and pleads for me to stop tickling her, screaming, “Please Stop Daddy, please stop.”
The moment I stop tickling her she says, “Please go.” So I tickle her more, and this stop/go game goes on until we both hurt from laughing so much.
So, use game on girls. They’ve loved it since they can remember.
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” I find as I get older and add more gray hairs to my beard that woman respect me more for no reason”
Dying ones’ hair and beard with those awful hair-coloring products is a most self-disqualifying automutilation.
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P.S. I suspect Tyler does it … no one is perfect.
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Two girls gang raped and then hung from trees:
http://news.yahoo.com/indian-teen-girls-gang-raped-hanged-tree-police-130442304.html
Was this racism?
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Dunno. Maybe. Sure, why not. Whatever.
Was this?
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No, thats not racism because nonwhite people are NOT a race; we are just a “grab bag” of mismatched socks, irregulars, display models, spam…
In fact, there are NO qualifications necessary to be a non white person other than those imposed on you by white people.
BTW, that looks like Baltimore. Incredibly foul and noxious ni66ers up in there. You think your ni66ers are bad?
Go to baltimore.
Its like some of them have rabies.
*Be advised*
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You “forget” to mention that it was in India
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in India that normal operating procedure…there is a rape culture for reals there..
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My advice would have been: get your testosterone levels checked. There are more and more young men in their 20s these days with a testosterone deficiency.
You know that doctor who gives you all the pills that are supposed to help you? He can take a sample of your blood and have it analyzed to see if you have a testosterone deficiency or some other hormonal anomaly. No, he doesn’t know that a testosterone deficiency combined with a surplus of cortisol can lead men to retreat into the dark corners of their minds and become more worried and paranoid than they would be otherwise, he’s just a psychiatrist after all, but ask him to do it anyway and be sure to ask him to give you a copy of the results.
Then take the results and go see another doctor.
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Imagine for a moment a destitute mentally ill suicidal homeless man going on a stabbing rampage in Isla Vista trying to kill as many ‘capitalists’ as he can, the ones he considers his ‘enemies’, what would have been the reaction of all those manginas, herbivores and cunts who work in the media?
Most would have ignored the event and perhaps a few would have said this shows why we need to put more money into programs that help the homeless but NO ONE would have rushed to blame the groups that try to help the homeless get out of homelessness.
Elliot Rodger was the emotional and sexual equivalent of this:
and this:
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This is a better Formby song that sums up Rodgers:
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WTF? Elliot was under the “care” of a psychiatrist specialized in celebrities
Psychiatrist Who Treated Elliot Rodger Has Worked With Paris Hilton, Real Housewives
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/05/28/elliot_rodger_psychiatrist_real_housewives_appearance_by_charles_sophy_was.html
“A Beverly Hills psychiatrist named Charles Sophy who treated Santa Barbara shooter Elliot Rodger until the fall of 2013 is a showbiz figure who’s been criticized for letting media appearances interfere with his work in a public role for Los Angeles County’s Department of Children and Family Services.”
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Rectification: he wasn’t under the “care” of Dr.Sophy for long
“When we finally did get to my situation, Dr. Sophy ended up giving me the same useless advice that every other psychiatrist, psychologist, and counsellor had given me in the past. I don’t know why my parents wasted money on therapy, as it will never help me in my struggle against such a cruel and unjust world. The doctor ended up dismissing it by prescribing me a controversial medication, Risperidone. After researching this medication, I found that it was the absolute wrong thing for me to take. I refused to take it, and I never saw Dr. Sophy again after that.”
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ok so her is the problem my bitch is broken now and don’t want to give up the pussy wtf I do
see this is why I need multiple bitches
its all fun and games till a bitch can’t handle the focus
she like your dick don’t hurt there something wrong with you
hahahaha
wtf
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she don’t love me
my wife must of been in some serious fucking pain
but she still always took the dick at least next day
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or my wife jut that much more hardcore than this American chick who is just more pain adverse
did ask how we fucked for two days she said she was high lol
so putty was numb
so maybe I got to cut her slack
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she got second wind after I posted that he he he
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Elliot, I bought you an 1980 corolla, steel frame. Give me your BMW before you decide to go on a rampage.
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Game could’ve saved his life (and that of six other people)…
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I’ve been an active reader on this site for over a year now and this is my first time commenting. Chateau’s writing style is predominantly dark and morose so when I read this post I thought ‘what da fuck, even Chateau’s stone-cold soul has pity for grown boys who yearn for advice of becoming strong men’.
‘Your car doesn’t matter. Your clothes don’t matter. Your family’s money or the people they know don’t matter. Do you know what matters to girls? Self-assurance. Act like women already want you, and now it’s just a question of which one you’ll choose.’
When I read the paragraph above a fucking tear rolled down my face! I got fucking mad for tearing up but realized that I’ve come a long way with women.
I wanted to learn Game so bad I began watching skilled womanizers, reading sites like Chateau Heartiste, and went out and applied this Game to my life.
A couple of years ago I didn’t know Game existed so to exercise the fucking power of it is surreal. And for those out there reading this shit know that Game can change your life for the better.
Here is a brief story about the efficacy of Game:
I work in retail and am good at what I do but have lost motivation to bust my ass for a company that holds me back from moving up the corporate ladder.
I work with 7 other people in my store, all between the ages of 21-24. My manager is 21. He drives a nice truck, has money in the bank, muscular, and seems to have charm with women. Even though my manager has all this and wants to bed the girl I’m fucking, he can’t because he beta backslides too often.
So this Dental office opens up next door to us 4 months ago and notice an HB8. Beautiful fucking girl. Everybody at my store always talks about wanting to fuck her. I work with all men except one girl.
Then about 2 months ago she walks into my store and asks to speak to the manager but he had already taken off for the day. My manager had already mentioned to me multiple times how this girl likes him and how she flirts with him. I just laughed it off. I didn’t think about it at the time but I realized he was signaling me to stay away from her, even though he already has a girlfriend he lives with. So I didn’t pay much attention to it.
The next day she comes again. I ran Game on her while one of my coworkers watched in awe. I fuck my customers, maybe a bad thing, but she is too beautiful to pass up. I suggested we go out for frozen yogurt. No number close, even though I already knew it (caller ID), but she had agreed and could see she was into me. She calls back a few days later “asking about her bill” and as I’m about to hang up asks why I haven’t called or texted her. I text her the night after and we begin talking.
The next day I text her to meet me for lunch and she goes. During lunch I remain aloof yet interested. She was into me.
All of a sudden the next few days she constantly calls and texts me. I follow the 2/3 ratio and keep her on her toes. As Friday comes around she’s already comfortable with me but needs to make sure I can pass her shit tests and asks ‘ Do you just want to fuck me?’. I brush it off. Then on Saturday night she comes over my house but she had her 2 kids in the car so I knew it was going to be hard to fuck that night. As she’s leaving she tells me she was going to call in on Tuesday to come over.
Tuesday was my day off. She came over and I beat it up. She wanted to spend the whole day together and though I didn’t like that idea I said fuck it. Now she’s attached to me.
Nobody at work has any idea that I’m fucking her. My manager is always trying to touch her and ask her out. I find this shit funny because even though he thinks he’s slick she tells me about his try-hard advances.
I don’t have a muscular body. I’m a slim mofo. I’m tall but it makes me look even slimmer. I’m grown as hell with braces. I don’t drive a nice car, have any money, many cool friends, or a badass position.
But I do have the most powerful aphrodisiac- Attitude. I don’t give a shit. I’m calm but aggressive. Quiet at times but charismatic.
It’s been said to maximize your strengths and mine is my voice. I have a deep fucking voice and I know that gives women tingles. I’ve also learned to speak in a slow and controlled tone while maintaining strong eye contact.
At times I question just how fucking powerful Game is. Beautiful women prefer me over my manager or friends, they who have money and higher status positions. Attitude is everything. You don’t have to have mastery over body language, just adopt a few powerful poses.
I never imagined that I’d be sleeping with so many beautiful women without money or celebrity status.
My aloof attitude and abundance mentality have taken me far. For those of you who complain about Game not working- keep pushing. Make adjustments. Success is in the details. It took me about one year to become good at bedding women. I had a shitload of rejections and flakes at first but I accepted it and moved on. Like everything else in life it all comes down to one question: How bad do you want it?
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[…] Chateau Heartiste: What Advice Would CH Have Given To A Younger Elliot Rodger? […]
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Fear is the mind killer…
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I was in your position at one time. The best advice I can give is to Forget the stupid little girls. They are beneath you and not even remotely worth your time.
Do what I did an find an older woman. These days they’re called Cougars. This will be one of the best decisions you will ever make. Girls don’t even begin to mature into women until the late 30s/early 40s. The older women know what they want and they know how to give you what you want
Hell, a lot of them even get off on teaching a less experienced guy, and they will fuck your fucking brains out.
I came dangerously close to doing what you did, but I didn’t have the balls to carry it out. After those blissful years, I no longer felt the need to. I made up for lost time an maybe even got ahead of most people.
Godspeed Elliot. I truly understand why you did what you did, but it didn’t have to go down like that.
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Honestly, I’m kind of disappointed with the advice. All of it could be gleaned from sifting through a couple months’ of posts on this blog. Most of the advice is superficial and secondary. You can only act un-needy if you aren’t needy. The dude was bleeding out needy. He needs the strongest does of inner game possible. He needed to know what he was not alone. That there is hope and it doesn’t come from getting laid. If he believed that message, everything else would follow. If not, nothing else mattered. And clearly, he didn’t get that message.
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It wasn’t that women weren’t attracted to him — let’s face it, he was a nice looking kid and he had money. Surely, if some of the human flotsam I’ve known could get a girl, he could have as well. The problem is, Elliot Rodger was not attracted to women. He was obviously gay, totally uncomfortable with that; perhaps he felt he could not come out to his macho-like father. I wonder whether his parents would have been accepting of that truth. If anything I would wonder if the parents wouldn’t rather have a live gay son than a dead multiple-killer? Such a tragedy for everyone involved. So foolish to deny people the right to love the person of their choice….
As far as gun control is concerned, every time there’s a shooting, gun control becomes an issue. However, gun control won’t stop people from getting guns if they really want them. I’d like to see better gun safety education, particularly in cases where little kids get ahold of loaded weapons and the worst possible outcome occurs.
I think these events and others like them wouldn’t occur as often or at all if the world were more live and let live and less discriminating, exclusionary and unforgiving of the many differences between people.
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