Men should generally avoid confirming dates, but there are ways to do it with alpha flair.
A reader contributes his version of date confirmations that he says has gone very well for him.
Hey I thought you’d like this. I came up with this funny confirmation.
My text: This is a courtesy reminder that you have a date with me on Thursday. I require at least 24 hours notice if you need to cancel. Please confirm your appointment with me at your earliest convenience.
Her text: Haha Confirmed!! Where are we going?
Mission accomplished 🙂 I thought perhaps you’d like to share this with the readers in a new post.
Sure. I like it. It sounds like you’re a hot commodity with a tight schedule. And it’s sardonically impersonal, which is good when you want to create some distance between the aloof impression you wish to leave and the beta confirmation maneuvering you must accommodate.
If you must commit an act of treasonous betaphilia, you can soften the self-betrayal by filtering it through a smart alecky cleverness algorithm.
That’s stupid. I confirm dates all the time with a simple… “Hey – We still on for 6:30?”
About 2 hrs before the date. Chicks rarely flake and if they do I see it as a net savings because it probably wasn’t leading to sex anyways
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Anything more than one hour before the scheduled date is beta.
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What is this “flaking” shit?
Are these chicks from real life?
Or are they simply online personalities from Tinder or Match or eHarmony or wherever?
It’s very, very difficult for me to imagine a girl NOT wanting to go out on the date.
It’s gotta be some Tinder shit or something.
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“What is this “flaking” shit?
Are these chicks from real life?”
Like you’d know.
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Seriously.
Who the fuck ever heard of a chick who wasn’t overjoyed at the thought of going out on a date?
A chick who didn’t spend all week stressing out over what she was going to wear and gossiping with her friends about you and doing some furious cyber-sleuthing to try to figure out who you really are?
This has got to be some Tinder shit where you don’t actually know the girl.
Or this “type your number in my iPhag” game, with drunk chicks in karaoke bars, but then the next day, when they sober up, the chick doesn’t remember who you were.
You guys really oughtta try Day Game.
With sober chicks.
SMFH.
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For the record, I am legitimately curious here – as to whether you dudes in the Blue States are seeing substantial numbers of “normal” chicks who are so mentally unstable, so unreliable, so untrustworthy, so fucked up in the head and in the heart, that they routinely just don’t show up for dates at all.
Is this the “new normal” in Deep Blue country?
Or is this just some shit with crazy nymphomaniac psychiatric cases on Tinder?
Thanks.
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Cause if this is the “new normal”, then you dudes need to be working it into your Game – early on and explicitly.
Call her ass out on it.
“Hey, you ain’t one of them crazy chicks who flakes out at the last minute, are you? Tell your shrink to prescribe you some pills that’ll give you some courage and you won’t be a fraidy cat and stay home and instead you’ll actually show up and have a fun time and enjoy yourself for a change. Bitch.”
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> “be a fraidy cat and stay home”
be a fraidy cat and stay home and BE MISERABLE
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@Shane
Is this the “new normal” in Deep Blue country?
I wonder the same thing, about not only this but many trends that get talked about here and on other man-type sites. It’s one thing to notice “Yeah, I’ve seen that before” like you’ll hear a red stater say, compared to “OMG, every woman on the planet seems to be doing it” that you hear from blue staters.
iZombies/Social Media seem to be the only big trend that is nationwide with women. For example I didn’t see a single visible tattoo on any native woman in Wyoming or South Dakota the last time I went through those parts (1.5 years ago), yet you probably can’t walk down a given street in a more eastern state without being overwhelmed with idiotic tatted up chicks. And flaking, it happens everywhere, but my experience here in flyover country is that generally the girl shows up without a problem and without needing a large repetoir of tactics to make that happen, as opposed to what I hear reported as something of an epidemic by others here, presumably who are not in flyover country (but I could be making bad assumptions here).
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Seriously.
Who the fuck ever heard of a chick who wasn’t overjoyed at the thought of going out on a date?
Zombie Shane, it happens in particular with dates you get from cold opens. A girl you talk to in the street or in a college cafeteria with no connection to her, or even a girl you cold opened at a bar but without taking her home that evening.
And it happens even when they are visibly happy that you approached, and excited at the thought of meeting again. The reason they flake later is that everyday patterns set in, and it is much easier to just go on doing what they have always done than to go on that date. Once the excitement settles they have to wonder, “What kind of guy approaches a girl out of the blue anyway?”
Very often it is simply the thought of dating that thrills them, and that is enough. It is a kind of roleplaying.
Flaking is of course far less common when there is a girl who knows people who know you. A girl from class, a friend’s friend, a girl from an extracurricular activity, etc.
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lzoozoz hey heartsietzt!! heraraietebzibz!!! da GBFM does da smae thingz!!! alomstz!
Hey I thought you’d like this. I came up with this funny confirmation.
My text: This is a courtesy reminder that you have a date with my lsotca cockas in your mouthz Thursday. I require at least 24 hours notice if you need to cancel so i can find a differnet mouthz. Please confirm your appointment with me at your earliest convenience.
Her text: Haha Confirmed!! Where are we going?
My text: In your mouthz and den da hgiznzhzozl
Mission accomplished 🙂 I thought perhaps you’d like to share this with the readers in a new post.
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> “In your mouthz”
And all of them poor, lonely, lost, desperate GBFM seeds will be swimming around furiously, in her stomach, trying to find her fallopian tubes. To no avail.
Think of the childrunz.
Oh teh humaniteiz.
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lzlzoz yah but dey are all on da pillz so putting dem in ger gina hole is just teasing my brotehr spermemzn
zlzlzloz
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But with no Li’l GBFM Juniors, there won’t be any GBFLBz – “Great Books for Little Boyz!”
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That’s a funny way to do it. Sometimes you need to confirm,; if a long period of time has passed without any communication since you set the date, both parties will wonder if the other still remembers. The insecurity could even make a girl cancel just to be safe, since your silence could make her nervous.
In such cases, I have often confirmed with the indirect way mentioned in the earlier thread, by writing that I might be ten minutes late. Alternately, you could change the venue, or tell her to bring an umbrella or something else that is indirect. “Wear slutty yoga pants.”
Speaking of yoga pants – at the gym yesterday it struck me that every single girl there is now wearing yoga pants. (There is maybe one girl for every six guys.) They could wear sweatpants or even shorts, but no, they wear tight-fitting yoga pants that show off their ass and other curves as if they were naked. They might as well be wearing just a thong. But since it is pants after all they can claim that it’s not indecent. Having their cake (sexual attention) and eating it too.
Yes, it’s nice to look at. But women’s psyches aren’t made for being sexual toward every guy around. It messes with them.
Ending on a fun note, I saw a girl do squats with a 220 lbs barbell. Her thighs (in yoga pants, natch) are thick and firm like steel. I was impressed.
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This is fine. I go with “Assume the sale”. and 95% of the time the girl will text you about confirming or call you when she’s getting there.
If not “Assume the sale” then i’ll say “hey meet at the front” or something, but usually she’ll text.
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Yes, this. They invariably text first.
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that’s the most pathetic beta gay shit I’ve ever heard. The guy had luck that the girl was already into him, otherwise she would have puked to such retarded asperger texting. Asperger is the right definition of that text, increased by the fact that the user wants to brag about it and post it on the internet and ask “LOL LOOK @ALPHANESS”
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Oh, and we don’t even know if she puked. She probably actually puked but for good manners she just kept it cool. Chances she put out that night? Zero
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that’s the most pathetic beta gay shit I’ve ever heard.
Not experienced at all then. And judging from your choice of user name and your problems with language and emotions, that will be a long-lasting state.
Chances she put out that night? Zero
So you know her, and him? Or you are just making up probability based on one small detail from all their interactions with each other?
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Agreed. If she’s into you, she won’t flake.
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You are both right and wrong.
That’s the problem with tactical stuff like this without any context. If she is really into him, she will eat it up and brag about it to all her friends. If the guy is some random fat fedora from a dating site, it comes off as super tryhard.
Once you get that your own self-identity, you realize there are no rules about “alpha” or “beta” without that feminine context. CH has a lot of posters who haven’t got there yet and need to posture on the internet instead.
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arbiter is some random fat fedora who thinks all humans are english first language obese amerifags retards with “superior gentleman” wet dreams (“arbiter” lol @ the arrogance, go back playing starcraft vs koreans)
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“You, sir… are no gentleman.”
“Pfft. Is that supposed to be some kind of insult?”
“I can think of none greater.”
Anus, aside from his antiChristian missteps, Arbiter is invariably spot on in his other observations, here at the chateau.
Your debut, however, leaves much to be desired.
Learn or depart… a third alternative is to be flayed.
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anal cunt would’ve been a funnier handle.
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and a better band
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Anal Cunt Mouth would have been even funnier
And also happens to sum up my entire dating strategy
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Post examples of your alphaness bru.
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-“Yo, buddy, you coming?”
-“Hi, are you coming?”
-“What’s up? Are you coming or can I do something else”
-*write nothing, go there, if she isn’t there then quit*
-“anus”
-*any funny line that I’m too tired to think about now*
Well, if you aren’t an asperger, you should understand that what you should write really depends on how the interaction is set up already. It’s about having some social intelligence that’s all. If you already established a funny jokingly interaction, even the text in OP would seem done appositely as to be cocky or ironic or whatever
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Obviously won’t always happen, but I can imagine it’s a DHV to assume that a girl is going to show up without you texting asking for her confirmation, AND if she asks for confirmation from you (entering into your frame).
How many guys have the balls to do that?
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It was carefree enough that it worked. It was like when my dentist’s receptionist calls me two business days ahead as a courteous reminder. I don’t resent it, she’s just doing her job. You’re a busy guy with a full week’s schedule, you’re just alerting her as a courtesy, just doing your job.
OT: looks good for Chris McDaniel in MS. He’s ~1% ahead of RINO Cochran. Won’t hit 50% so there will be a runoff, but when an insurgent’s numbers are anywhere near an incumbent’s numbers, the insurgent wins going away. Cochran is done, and we’ll have another Paul/Cruz/Lee in the Senate come next January. This is important.
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These GOP civil wars are beyond puerile.
I’ve long since jumped ship to the Libertarian party. It’s time for a new Right that focuses on fiscal responsibility instead of ephemeral cultural values and divisive social issues.
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When’s the last time a big-L Libertarian won an election? Getting some libertarian-ish guys elected via primarying out the RINOs is a good thing.
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Wait. You’re saying the Libertarian Party isn’t puerile? When so many of the big libertarian names refuse to have anything to do with them, it’s easy to see they won’t get anywhere. Lew Rockwell’s website for example stays away from them. If there is to be any change coming through elections, it has to be within the GOP. Conservative/libertarian voters will never move away from that party, so the “civil war” is just what is needed.
The reason for this is of course the insane election system, where there is a “representative” from each region, while all other votes from that region are thrown out and go unrepresented. As if politics would be regional, not ideological. “Hey, I didn’t vote for you and I hate your politics, I tried to end your career, but since you are the governor from my state you should vote the way I want from now on.”
Insane. If you are to have a democracy, you need to have proportional representation of parties – anything else just combines the worst of dictatorship (real contenders have no chance of winning) with the worst of democracy (you still have two major parties that need to win elections, so they’ll bribe the voters with borrowed money).
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..there is it’s called the tea party but most of their candidates are shit…
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This is a courtesy reminder that you have a date with me on Thursday. I require at least 24 hours notice if you need to cancel. Please confirm your appointment with me at your earliest convenience.
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a courtesy reminder?
Jeez, thats a lot of work?
WTF?
Aint nobody got time for that!
If you tell her you need her to hold your camera while you deliver a beatdown ( for some stuff a mofo did while he was drunk) Im pretty sure she will show up early.
Never waste a beatdown on a drunk; let them sober up so they can feel it GOOD.
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Never waste a beatdown on a drunk; let them sober up so they can feel it GOOD………..
and if they don’t come out of the house…take it out on their new truck
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Two points:
The use of the word “date” is something I wouldn’t do. I think this text is fun but too self-deprecating.
But for all the guys dissing this, I think you’re missing the point of the post. It’s about assuming the sale and taking the lead.
Context is king…this would only work if there was attraction and good teasing.
You can see her reply.
My texts now are much shorter usually something like: “hey crazy girl, am going to xxx. you should come out”
That particular girl replies in 2 seconds and loves the banter.
But with other girls you may need to try something straighter.
Calibration is key. I often read comments here and wonder if the guys commenting actually go out and meet girls.
In one case of a girl I’m now gaming, since she is in my social circle….I gamed her as I would a girl in a club or street game…tease, push-pull, rapport, then number close.
At first she was kind of cool. Didn’t respond to my outreach and wouldn’t give me her number.
So I backed off, didn’t see her for a month. Suddenly I showed up at our weekly thing and she’s all about teasing me and punching me and dancing with me.
There is a model that works well, but in some cases girls don’t always react the exact same way. You have to have some level of Emotional Intelligence in game.
To instantly dismiss this OP as gay or beta misses the mark.
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True that the word “date” is a good thing to avoid. Also true that the complainers don’t know the context. They just have to jump on it anyway to show how alpha they are. Those who really do go on dates will not put this into only one imagined context.
There are too many keyboard jockeys. Roleplaying the dating game, trying to “win” forum threads by being the toughest and most uncompromising. And of course, they are the ones with the most time to spend online.
In one case of a girl I’m now gaming, since she is in my social circle….I gamed her as I would a girl in a club or street game…tease, push-pull, rapport, then number close.
At first she was kind of cool. Didn’t respond to my outreach and wouldn’t give me her number.
So I backed off, didn’t see her for a month. Suddenly I showed up at our weekly thing and she’s all about teasing me and punching me and dancing with me.
Well played. One of the most important lessons I learned from game was to pull back, not contact a girl too fast, not write too much.
Another valuable lesson was the one you show here, not make it an interview, not try to talk to her like a friend but instead make things interesting and exciting. Girls want to have fun.
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Current generation’s examples of “taking charge” lol:
http://jezebel.com/the-disturbing-sexual-assault-on-last-nights-louie-1585585878
Fucking painful to watch. From the “please please please??” body-language, to the having to be shit-faced to have the balls to make a move, to the logically explaining “you SAID you wanted me to make a move” followed by sexual-intent-shirking “so I’m gonna’ make a move!!” excuse (see, he’s not making a move because he’s a sexual being who’s comfortable with expressing his sexuality, he’s actually a Nice Guy who respects women who’s JUST doing this because she SAID she wanted him to…wow, how sexy, what woman doesn’t fantasize about being told “I’m only trying to fuck you because you want me to” lol)
Just fucking embarrassing. And of course every comment on that video is “wow this is horrible” “ahh my trigger warnings are kicking in” and “god this is such sexual assault, horrifying!!”
Not a SINGLE comment on that article is about “wow that was sexy” or “wow I wish a guy would kiss ME like that!!”. Not even ONE.
Versus role models of the past when it was socially acceptable to acknowledge what actually turns women on and when it was socially acceptable for a man to not be ashamed of his sexual nature:
And of course the comments on those videos (aside from a few manginas touting the feminist-brainwashed “but this is raaaape!!” bitterness because they aren’t getting laid themselves) are full of “wow that’s so hot” and “omg that’s a real man, taking what he wants” and “I wish a guy would kiss me like this” shit.
So which is more likely:
1) Jezebel commenters just happen to be a massive group of sexually repressed unattractive damaged women with fucked up views on sex? …well, that’s probably true lol
or 2) Your intent and confidence does more to influence how they feel about “going for it” than your actual actions.
Those same chicks commenting on Jezzie would cream themselves like any other chick at the older MSM kissing scenes. But if you’re as wishy-washy and pathetic as Louie is in the first clip, you’re going to get the same disgust he got.
I’d say Friends was around the key point that everything in the mainstream media started heading toward wishy-washy guys scared to kiss the girl, and showing girls having to take charge and kiss the guys. Not only were Ross/Chandler types perfectly toeing the feminist line by being big wussy manginas so they were promoted as the perfect Nice Guys, but they were REWARDED for it by girls kissing them, while simultaneously Joey was treated like a joke with his whole “How YOU doin?” line that shows sexual intent.
Feminist influence is creating a society where men are terrified to make a move or think they’ll be rewarded for NOT making a move, and women are frustrated that no man will make a move and disgusted when men who have no idea HOW to make a move (because there are no role models for them anymore) make a move like Louie that’s just creepy and gross and pathetic…it would be a funny situation if it wasn’t so sad.
If you’re hitting on a girl with a boyfriend, and you’ve seen the guy, ask yourself “how does he probably kiss her? Can I see him ravaging her? Throwing her on the bed and ripping her clothes off to fuck her brains out? Or is he probably one of those lame wishy-washy guys who’s hands shake nervously as he takes her clothes off or he lets her make all the moves?” If you figure him for the Louie type, odds are you can fuck his girl pretty easily with a dominant kiss.
Even with longer-term girlfriends/fuckbuddies I’ve had, when their friends see us in public going at it, they’ll say stuff like “wow how long have you two been together?” expecting it to be just a few weeks, and they’re like “wtf” when they find out it’s been months/years, because I do a lot of pinning-against-the-wall and dominant/aggressive passionate kissing. Kissing like a Lover not a Provider.
It’s like Liam Mcrae says: “Have you ever read an erotic novel? Read one. It’s never “oh we won’t on a date, and he was really nervous, and he awkwardly tried to kiss me in the car at the end and then on the second date he touched my boob and I told him he couldn’t and he stopped, he was really slow at escalating and unsure about it…and it was just so hot how he didn’t own his sexual intent.” No woman has that fantasy. The fantasy is always “the pirate who came and took her on his ship off to a desert island, or some duke of Scrufflington who whisks her away on his horse” on a sexual adventure”
Just saw that Louie clip and wanted to post about it because it made my dick hurt to see such a brutal mangina display that’s going to get touted around as “see?? You have to have her fill out 3 forms of consent before you kiss her!! …how come I’m not attracted to any of you guys when you give me these consent forms to fill out??” hamster fuel.
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Beautiful. Thank you.
haha yeah I’ve watched the Mcrae clip countless times
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Dead on with the “Friends” comment. Check out how many subtle bits of propaganda are in this clip:
Notice that Phoebe, the ditzy, dumb promiscuous one is who falls for Joey’s line.
Lol, and I actually like “Friends.” I grew up on it, after all (which probably explains a lot of why I ended up where I did).
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@YaReally @Scray @Walawala @PimpinBluestar & Those who have been in this situ.
Curious as to how one should go about escalating or just being sexually forward on a date with the top-tier girls (Hb8.5/9). That Latina I scooped up off daygame a couple days back went and met up with me for a drink last night.
I’m having difficulty with these girls (have been on dates with 3 diff ones now) and I’m starting to notice a pattern of behavior. I would love advice/insight on where I’m fucking up and how I should rectify it.
A few things:
1) The pick-up itself is strong. This HB8.5/9 Latina I picked up off daygame only saw me be dominant and just a normal fun dude. Opener was something like “Damn, you know it’s illegal to be walking that fast in New York, they’ll write you a ticket.” and I kept walking with her for 5 blocks.
2) The hot ones will go out of their way to meet up with me. It doesn’t fucking make sense but I guess since they rarely get approached like that (and approached so well hey) that maybe they assume I have ultra-high value? This girl went from downtown all the way to uptown to see me. Doesn’t make sense. Like guys are supposed to go see her and here she was going out of her way both logistically and trying to make convo.
3) I get friend-zoned kinda but in a weird way. Not in the humiliating way like I used to when I was an AFC, but in a “You’re making me laugh, but we’re not going to fuck” kind of way. Happened with HB8.5 Blonde russian I picked up last year in this FR (http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/8/#comment-heartiste-471987). Like we are still cool at the end of dates but in a “We should go out/hang-out” kind of way. Not in a “We are going to fuck” kind of way.
4) I’m definitely self-aware that I’m acting different. HB7.5 and below I can carry myself OK. I’m flirty, dominant, etc etc. And I TRY to be that way with HB8.5/9 but it’s almost like they can sniff it out….like quickly. I’m having trouble carrying that daygame street persona to the date I guess. Definitely scared of my own success kinda thing. This Latina from last night is hott….like doesn’t make eye-contact in public kind of hot, like is icy with guys at the club kind of hot, like enjoyed it when I made fun of her and told her congrats when she beat autism kind of hot….cause who says that to her?
Anyways, overall it was a good experience meeting this girl and picking her up and a good Day 3 of 30 for 30 Day Challenge but damn. It’s hella frustrating because I’m mentally sabotaging myself. That and I would like to know if it’s a bad play to be sexual/flirty with these kind of girls. Is that the wrong move? Does every chode act that way around them and you’re better off being chill and subtle?
To find out what I mean by being subtle, see Shocker’s comment from here:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/the-age-of-flakes/#comment-381599
Anyway, to all those reading and who have been in my shoes, would love to hear what you have to say.
I’m close to nailing these kind of girls but maybe not at all. The open, the texting, the flirtaciousness and the aloof, flirty vibe were all there…but still it’s like a mental block.
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“Curious as to how one should go about escalating or just being sexually forward on a date with the top-tier girls (Hb8.5/9).”
same as ‘lower tier’ girls…lol…
“That and I would like to know if it’s a bad play to be sexual/flirty with these kind of girls. Is that the wrong move?”
that’s never the wrong move…lol…
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‘same as ‘lower tier’ girls…lol…’
I’d argue against this. Lower-tier girls will work with you more. Like, if you are a little nervous, they’ll be so eager for you (they’re much lower in value after all) that they’ll help fill in the blanks.
Hotter girls don’t need to do that. They know their worth.
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@Immoralgables
Lol dude this exact thing happened with me last month with daygame… Russian girl was with her mom, hit on both of them, opened using line from Honest Signalz (If this is what I have to look forward to in 20 years, I want in).
https://www.youtube.com/user/honestsignalz
Was with wing who occupied the mom and I sat down with the girl. Totally dominant pickup, push-pulled, future projection, all that. She asked for my number and was down to hangout that night. She was only going to be in town for the weekend. I’d give her a solid 8.
Then we met up later that night and I basically let her lead everything. Even told me to calm down at one point (with a laugh at the end but that’s just to relieve tension). Ended up at a bar and she asked me what I liked for beer. I said I don’t drink… but I could if she wanted (?) She got frustrated, ended up buying us drinks.
And as expected it failed. I was nervous, didn’t do shit to lead, she picked up on that and left early. Came ALL the way north from downtown to see me. No physicality from the get-go.
A lot of things I did wrong in the end, but I see now that setting the lover frame FROM THE GET GO was my issue. Should’ve twirled her around, talked about how good she looked, expressed sexual intent, SOMETHING… anything would’ve been better than setting a frame of chodeyness.
I’ll write a full FR once I get off work, but I imagine we had similar problems.
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@Immoral
“enjoyed it when I made fun of her and told her congrats when she beat autism kind of hot”
lol http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/Autism.jpg
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Yo man props and thanks for sharing your perspective.
Not sure if it’s a structural problem with us like deep inner game related or what.
Hella annoying too man. I get the entitlement but it’s just hard when the girl is staring into your eyes and you begin to question shit.
Anyways, let’s make this our goal to bang one of these girls this summer.
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Yeah dude, it is 100% inner game. The girls get all dolled up, spend all that time and effort to come see us, and yet we’re wondering if they’re into us or not? Wtf lol
“Anyways, let’s make this our goal to bang one of these girls this summer.”
Done. Let’s do it!
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It’s a limitation of “fake it till you make it” when you haven’t quite got the reference experience yet to have “made it”. A 6 can’t tell because you act like you’ve had a bunch of 6s and give no fucks, plus they’re not as socially intuitive. A 9 can tell because you’re acting (in your sub-communications) like you’re “trying” and wanting to “not fuck it up” (VS a 6 where you legit give no fucks if you fuck it up).
So it’s a combo of slight incongruencies on your end and her being extra perceptive because she’s a 9 and HAS to be more perceptive of that stuff.
It’s fine, it’ll fix itself over time as you get more experience around these girls and legitimately start to feel abundance. You can have an abundance mentality with 6s while at the same time having scarcity issues with 9s. Or whatever your personal high-value indicators are…you may have no probs with brunettes but change your behavior slightly with blondes etc.
It’s all in your head though. You’ll probably lose a few of these girls before it sorts itself out. It’s just happening because you’re learning this stuff later in life so the mindsets don’t have solid foundations yet, whereas a Natural will have started forming those foundations at like 14. But the more time you spend around these women the less your brain will trip out and eff you over.
Try purposely bombing it next time. Like when you meet up be too forward and get in her space and kiss her hello. Believe me the smokin hot girls’ problem isn’t guys being too sexually aggressive with them lol it’s that guys treat them like delicate magic special flowers and put on an overly inoffensive gentleman act around them so as not to offend them and fuck their chances up. The guys they meet who ARE too aggressive are the overcompensating guys who are putting on a “shtick” to preserve their ego where they get blown out but it wasn’t THEM that for blown out cause they were just hamming it up. Ego-preservation. It’s very rare for a smokin hot girl to meet a cool guy who’s sexually aggressive with legit intent/sincerity. That’s why she’ll drive across the city in the hopes that you’re that rare unicorn.
Also she’s not going to give you blatant ioi’s like a 6. A 6 wants to lock you down so she throws herself at you. A 9 wants to see if you’re confident enough in your value to ASSUME she likes you just because she’s in the same room as you. She doesn’t want to have to tell you (via iois) that she’s attracted to you…the man who’s high-value enough to handle her is the man who with no feedback just assumes she’s attracted to him.
Think of it like which boss would you trust to steer your company’s ship: the one who’s constantly asking you (his subordinates) “am I doing okay? Is this good enough? Please tell me I’m doing good…” needing you to coddle and reassure him? You gonna feel confident following that guy into battle? Or do you want the guy who’s like “fuck ya, I got this shit handled like a baws” as he charges into battle? You’re gonna trust that that guy knows what he’s doing.
Get a “real man”‘s rejection. Get blown out for being too sexually aggressive instead of this friend zoned platonic shit. She’ll at least respect you for owning your cock 😉 lol
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Ya man, this is annoying as fuck. I don’t know if you remember, but a few months ago I was going through this same issue with a hot girl. I ended up sort of lying to her about a lot of commitment stuff because my mind was in such a ‘you have to steal this pussy, you have to trick her’ place.
Here’s the answer: take your aggression and amp it up 1000%. Do everything with full intent. Hot girls won’t do the work for you. Better looking girls want to be girls. They want you to handle everything. I’ve learned a ton in these last five months.
My day 2 plan is pretty simple —
Meet her at shitty bar near house
Hug when I greet her
Find excuse to touch her hand within 5 minutes (just make up some stupid bullshit about her hands). Personally, I like a grab….nothing delicate in how I do it. Like, thumb in the center of her palm manhandle style.
Pretend that she’s too far away and take the stool in your hands and scoot her closer
If she puts on airs of modesty, it’s a good sign, and if she lets you do whatever, it’s also a good sign = you can’t lose!
If she puts on the airs….just back off and talk to her for a few seconds and play it off with “ha, yeah I guess we have to get to know each other A LITTLE bit before we jump into making babies.”
If she doesn’t….say the same thing 😀 but blame her for being so brazen. Also you can give her a half-joking lecture about “you’re the woman, you’re supposed to put up a fight.” Setting up this dynamic early on will make doing shit like choking, slapping, etc. on the first bang way easier.
Anyway, now that you’ve made your sexual intent known early on….just use tension-release-tension-release. You don’t HAVE to release the tension, but I like being balanced. Like, I enjoy just bullshitting with girls and playing with them. I like them. Plus, it just makes it easier for them to trust you. And it’s always way better when you like the girl you are going to bone. I’ve only boned one girl I can say I didn’t like as a person, and I’m not going to do it again. That’s personal preference tho.
After a few minutes of releasing the tension, do something bold — put your hand on your thigh, etc. Look right at her when you do these things.
When she warms up to you, ask to go hang out in your car for a few minutes. She’ll think ‘oh it’s just his car, we won’t have sex in there.’ Once you get in the car, get hot and heavy. In the middle of that session you can ask her if she wants to go back to your place. Or, you can cut the session short and start talking about something that’s back at your place.
Optional:
Buy her a big draft beer in a mug (I always buy them a drink….ya I kno, sacrilege. But it’s always a cheap beer)
Buy yourself a big draft beer (one big beer is just right. Less inhibition, more confidence, minimal sloppiness)
I hope that helps.
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@immoral
A few things spring to mind, I’ll offer some top-line ideas then make a suggestion.
Firstly you sound like you’re doing everything right…then when it comes to the meet up there’s some kind of flat-lining.
I would strongly suggest you review this, then check out his book “Daygame Mastery”…it is extremely detailed about how to escalate. He talks about the 2 day and 3 venue model.
Top-line it’s here: http://krauserpua.com/2012/08/04/date-model/
The idea is to make the first venue the kind of screening one…keep it light non-sexual. You’re there to let her qualify herself and just chill.
Venue 2: alcohol involved. Then start to escalate.
Try the “Questions Game”—get her talking. I have used this many times with great success and to sexualize the interaction: “What’s the naughtiest thing you ever did when you were a kid?”
Then amp up the kino and see how she responds.
At some point go for the kiss. Krauser suggests it should be mid-drink so that she’s got something more to keep her there. His blog is full of great insights and the book captures them all in a more structured way.
I think you may also be putting too much pressure on yourself and missing cues.
These girls are there…they’ve made their way across town to meet you, they’re up for something. The key is to spike attraction with comfort but always be escalating.
Some things that I’ve taken from this recently a girl I met who was shy, not a stunner but nice. We went for drinks….she wanted a Bailey’s…I told her it was “gay”…she asked what I suggested. “Beer”. She drank a full pint.
That was my first clue she was up for something…open-minded, submissive. I asked her musical tastes…she liked heavy metal…a rebel type—though from the way she dressed and acted I would never have guessed.
We went for another drink. I escalated to light kino. When she didn’t resist. I grabbed her ass. When she didn’t resist I went for the make out.
Again, look at the way you’re acting, sitting and interacting—only you know.
From the sounds of it, you’re doing everything right in the lead up. In the interaction, start to monitor your pacing, how you’re sitting, who’s leading the interaction.
I always sexualize it by moving it towards discussion of “what’s the naughtiest thing you’ve done?”
I pull a girl’s hair if she misbehaves somehow. If she responds playfully, that’s my first indication she loves teasing and could be into rough stuff.
I escalate from there. If she’s offended, scale back.
The Hair pulling is something I came up with 18 months ago and it works so much. Girls just love either scolding me for it “Dooooooooooooooontt!!!!!” and giggling or punching me…but it’s a way I use to qualify whether they’re up for more kino.
The hair tug when they do something or say something stupid…is a great way to instantly sexualize it without saying anything sexual.
Then I say “Behave”…that instantly sexualizes it as well.
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@Walawala. If you see this comment this far back…just wanted to say thanks a lot for your replies.
I always appreciate your perspective especially from the frame of an older suave guy who is pimping it hard in Asia.
Thanks again.
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@immoral I wrote a longer post but I will offer a summary of one thing that has worked for me to sexualize things quickly. I use this all the time especially in my Latin dance socials and lessons….
Pull the girl’s hair when she makes a mistake, says something stupid or acts up. Girls will shit test…stare at her…then slowly…pull her pony tail or hair.
That’s the best game technique I’ve discovered to move the interaction into something sexual without saying a word.
Every girl I’ve done this too…loves it. They giggle and talk about it every time.
Some girls will put their hair up…>I will say “oh…getting smarter”.
It’s a great surprise. It’s dominant. It’s playful. It instantly tells you whether the girl is sexual or not.
If she punches your arm…asks why you did this…or anything …you can then say
“Behave…don’t make me send you to the naughty corner”—this is from Krauser but it works for me every time. “What’s the naughty corner?”
“Will you spank me?”
“What will happen?”
All these are responses I’ve received.
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@immoral @hunter
left a reply for y’all but it’s still in mod 😦
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Hey mods, ya mind letting this one out?
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@Heartiste
Come on, man!
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ditto
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White men are too often white women pedestalizers, enablers and pussy beggars. And white women have been used over decades to bring down their men and western society. It is amazing what social engineering through financial incentives can do. Whites benefitted only because their elite saw they were rewarded – not because they were inherently smarter.
They still Do have privilege when compared to millions of non-whites who suffer from Western economic policies and military inventions. Heck, the culture still enables white men, though their status as a group has been diminished.
Despite this, no one wants the white race to end. At least not non-whites. We need the diversity and G-d intended whites to exist. The problem is, the white race has gone insane, for the most part. If your leaders do the dirty, is that your fault or their fault – or the fault of both. Most white people have been subverted over the last few decades to be made into the spitting image of what the upper class wants them to be. And any people who did not fit in and sought to alert others were ignored by their peers and were given Vehmic tribunal and slowly removed from society whilst the masses were entertained.
Never mind bombing other countries to sh-t to enforce the petrodollar and hence bring about their role as the first Beast or Revelation (Z-onism), they also result secondarily in mass Christian deaths worldwide, which is kinda repugnant for a so-called Christian country. Christian Saints die abroad in lands where they are outnumbered, whilst the Churchians in the West support this through taxes and through their ignorance. In addition, the so-called white elite have taught the enemy (all races, but traditionally other whites) his art of war, thereby getting other whites to genocide themselves by mass abortion. This in turn, necessitates immigration.
Ultimately, we will end up in the days as was in the times of Nimrod and the Tower of Babel, where all people of all races will be enslaved to the few apostate leaders who work for the ‘man’ of perdition who works tirelessly behind the scenes, and whilst some will scoff, all will come to discover this to be true over time.
Whilst ‘fate’ can be factored in, human beings have some responsibility and choice- they always make the wrong ones, irrespective of race or creed. Human beings have never controlled their own destiny and have always fallen to temptations of the flesh, money or power. This is why societies fall; and we are seeing the demise of the West, a slow demise, over the coming decades. It will be replaced with something far worse, hence the FEMA ‘concentation camps’ to ‘help the homeless’- did we not learn the sequence of events from Nazi Germany?
People need to get G-d. And there is only one maxim in operation in Western society: Make haste to leave, or you will learn to slowly die.
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One fish, two fish,
CogDis Jew fish.
Or one o’ dem “black hebrew” imaginary scripture students.
Amid the smattering of truth, no mention of Satan or the Sanhedrin… or praise of Christ…
Only the amorphous “white elite”… with the usual suspect de rigueur NAH-ZEE and “white privilege” toss-ins.
Avaunt, sooty Babble-On-ian!
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But can you do something with “Goliath Grouper”?
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Being a believer in Christ is not exclusive to white people.
White people who are race obsessed miss this essential point.
Yes, modern day whites need protection.
You say you don’t want this – okay, but some nonwhites will strive to do this anyways.
I consider it impossible to extinguish whites, and in the current paradigm, we are all to be enslaved.
But the real question is, are you the kind of white person the future needs (I mean one that G-d would accept in his future), or would it be someone else?
I do not claim to be sinless and on my time of judgement G-d may sadly claim he did not know me.
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White men are too often white women pedestalizers, enablers and pussy beggars.
Ridiculous crap. I have seen long lines of non-White men pedestalizing women.
They still Do have privilege when compared to millions of non-whites who suffer from Western economic policies and military inventions. Heck, the culture still enables white men, though their status as a group has been diminished.
LOL Vomiting out propaganda, with no facts of course. Without Whites Africans and Indians would still be in the Stone Age, dying like flies, and the Asians would still be in the Middle Ages, dying like flies. Seven out of nine children dying before adult age. You need to thank Whites for inventing the computer you copy-paste crap on, and thank Whites for inventing the electricity that powers it. Thank Whites for the light bulb over your head and for the machines that made the chair you sit on. Thank Whites for the plastic in the chair, and for giving you a toothbrush.
Pathetic little boy.
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Hitler?!? Small time murderer in the age of Stalin.
whatever valid point you had went straight out …
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(1)Satan is behind this – yes.
(2)Apostate Jewish leaders (who are really Satanists using the Babylonian rather than Jeruasalem Talmud) – yes.
If the elite were to have used a nonwhite country in the past, that country would have produced the innovation we see. So whites don’t solely innovate, but that does not mean they should be exterminated and younger generations should NOT be held responsible for the actions of their elders. Unfortunately, their elders do NOT behave like adults and have f@cked younger whites, which pisses me off. Of course, the older generation being short-sighted (as most humans are) will deny this to their graves.
(3)Hitler was run by Jewish bankers as was Churchill. The point to be made was the control of the state posing as a fake G-d to all. The British Jewish bankers introduced Communism to Russia and China, which killed many Saints.
(4)Most Jews do not know that their religion has been subverted by a Satanic cult. The word Iews (not Jews) meant ‘believer’. There is no such thing as a ‘preferred race’, which their leaders hold to be true. Judaism in its subverted modern form is about genociding others. Jews are also non-Semites for the most part, having come from the Caucausus mountains. Elite Jewish leaders hide behind other Jews, whom they will betray.
(5)Despite all that has been said, this does not mean I want either Whites or Jews removed. Whites need to be a protected race with strict controls that their populations should not fall below a certain percentage. If such does occur, financial incentives need to be offered so white folks have babies. The ruling class does not currently want this and whites play along through being manipulated and through socially accepted conventions like mass abortion.
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Whites need to be a protected race with strict controls that their populations should not fall below a certain percentage.
The day we need to be protected by others not of our kind is the first day of our imminent oblivion.
We’ll take our chances, thank you very much, fighting for our Lebensraum when the time comes… and may Jehovah guide our steps and deliver our enemies unto us.
Me, I prefer to belong to a tribe that doesn’t need NCAAPs or ADLs.
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Totally off-topic but of interest:
http://www.epjournal.net/articles/covert-sexual-signaling-human-flirtation-and-implications-for-other-social-species/
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IMO this is bad. It makes the guy sound like he’s highly anticipating the date and thinking about it too much and thus crafting laborious texts around it. Reeks of try-hard and over-caring about the date.
This could create the impression that the guy does not date very often and is looking forward to it too much which is a solid DLV.
Yes – you need to anticipate and try to prevent flaking, but not like this. It’s better to just send a quick joke about the date and if she responds, just say “cool, see you at 7”.
If she does NOT respond this is indicates a high probability of flaking – act accordingly.
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at the time i didn’t realize how dealing with girls the way i did with co-workers was shooting myself in the foot. i used to schedule things in advance & confirm, the way i did at work for meetings & such.
i had no idea i was making myself look desperate just because i was being professional. looking back i understand now.
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I can’t imagine a situation where any girl that I date *wouldn’t* give me shit about a confirmation like this later, regardless of her initial positive response. This breaks too many basic, tested rules to be added to anyone’s playbook:
1) Too fucking wordy.
2) “Date”? Not the frame that *I* want to set
3) Puts the ball completely in the girl’s court. Didn’t you set up the meetup initially from a strong frame? Why are you assuming failure now? This is like placing a put option on your ability to get laid.
4) Blatant attempt to self-DHV. Yeah yea: you so hardcore that you have to send out confirmations to all your bitches, when the opposite would be true if you really had multiple bitches.
Girls know exactly what you’re doing with a text like this, and while she may play along and giggle, inside she knows that she’s in the dominant position and ain’t no hottie got time for that. No judgement on the player from the email, but this technique accomplishes nothing at best and at worst makes you look needy. A hot girl who flakes to test your frame is not going to be impressed by a maneuver that confirms weak frame, and a girl who flakes because she has too much dick on her plate will probably choose the guy who’s drowning in so much tail that he can’t be assed to send her ‘clever’ shit like this.
If you’re that worried about girls flaking, you A) need to flake on them yourself to get over your fear of loss, and B) need to be spinning more plates.
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I agree. I think a lower tier girl might fall for this, but a hot girl will see right through the jokesy stuff.
If you’re going to confirm, just confirm — ‘we still on?’
Easy capeezy. A high value guy will want to know so he can either keep his plans or make new ones.
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Good read on the whole thing about flakes. I dealt with flake before, I had to put up with a lot of shit just to progress. It was in my young naive college years, I developed feelings for her and managed to seal the deal as well. Then the day after banging her she just stopped talking and texting me. She basically ignored me until I called her out, I had a bad case of oneitis.
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This is fucking stupid, I would NEVER do anything like this. if I think a chick is going to flake I hit her with the “i’m going to be a few minutes late” normally they say “okay” or “i wont be able to make it” if she says; okay, I hit her with “wear heels” or “low cut top” bitchez love that shit.
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thread winner
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Also, the polite language is major buzzkill / beta-supplication.
I’m seeing things like “please” and “courtesy reminder” and “for your convenience” and Im like…dude…. WTF is this nice-guy shit??
None of these bitches and hoes deserve this kind of diplomatic language bro! None of ’em! Just tell these whores when and where to meet and if they flake, NEXT the bitch!
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yeah this is stupid.
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I, too, have to chime in on the side of “This Is A Bad Idea”… even if you and the woman are already thick as thieves.
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this what should should be texting in regards to you
chick whats up
my chick on my phone im home hes good don’t text no ore thanks my chicks name
chick whats up
chick whats up
chick hey
chick whats up
chick i’ll beat the fuck out of you
my chick well did you know where the fuck I live anytime you feel froggy enough jump he’s my man is always been my man is always going to be my man so stop calling my mans fucking phone or ill beat the fuck out of you
my chick so come on chicks name she found out who it was you fuckig cunt
other chick I like to see that so i’ll keep calling
ugh just come don’t call you aint gotta call you know where the fuck I live so come on but you can call my dude and im gonna answer cuz he done with your fucking nasty ass fucking trick bitch
i’m home all day every day so i’ll be waiting
other chick just stop the texting and come beat my ass I don’t talk so enough of that talk’
my chick come on up
so yea my chick doesn’t believe in igoring the phone like I do
and when I got a bitch that is supposed to come up she doesn’t get that I don’t actually care if that bitch comes or not
cause yea like dude said above I mean I get 50 calls a day I don’t fucking care about texting a bitch I don’t answer the phone more than 10 percent of time when I feel like it
so maybe constantly texting a chick could work cause eventually they might answer
like all the chicks dudes when they don’t show do start blowing up their phones
but yea
I got on phone
me you all making me hot quit he he he im good my woman home
other chick lol ok
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i’ll admit I kind of felt like watching that shit
but I don’t want my bitch getting hurt
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yea she been allowed to have fun again text fighting bitches hahhahahahahahahahahahahaha
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so today was my spa day
highly suggest training your woman up
nothing like having your chick down on your nuts with a pair of scissors to cement some trust he he he
some freaky feelin shit too when she cutting hair along bottom and says now I won’t have to have hair in my mouth when I lick your balls he he he
she like time for shower i’m like yay I get to piss on your face
she lets me I tell her to open mouth she does
says i’m only man she ever let do that
says i’m her king
joke about wasn’t the first time won’t be the last
so I guess if ya want to be first for these hard chicks
or take it a bit lighter
she was shaving me says i’m only dude she ever shaved
when cutting my hair only dude
washed me down in shower
its always a nice day, spa day from your woman
watched her shave the legs and putty
good connection building exercise
and make her use scissors only on the hair it takes longer he he he
shout out to Canadian yea ok maybe should of had a camera on lol
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she did piss on my toe though
she fuckin kills me
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she goes full little tiny monkey too poppin zits and shit getting any impurities out the skin lol
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oh yea and got the massage later after she fed me
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Spot on mate. And here, more ridiculous feminist nonsense.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/06/03/3444126/national-street-harassment-survey/
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I like to send a text saying that I’m going to be xx minutes late, either in evening one day before the date or in the morning the same day of the date. It “reminds” the girl that we’re meeting up without asking for anything. And i shows that I’m busy.
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Confirming dates is so gay and should never be done
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Nope. beta as fuck. too many words/effort. try asking any 9/10 with that bullshit, you won’t get a response.
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Even though it’s just a text it’s a bit too much effort. He’s making it formal but tryng to be funny in some insider joke kind of way. Otherwise who sends a text like that? Its so stupid. She’s just another date. Make sure she knows it.
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