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Women Want To Be A Man’s Afterthought

June 11, 2014 by CH

Reader Alif Male passes along an excerpt from an Agatha Christie book.

From “Dumb Witness” Agatha Christie, (1937) Chapter 2

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“But this feeling of hers for Rex Donaldson was different, it went deeper. She felt instinctively that here there would be no passing on…. Her need of him was simple and profound. Everything about him fascinated her. His calmness and detachment, so different from her own hectic, grasping life, the clear, logical coldness of his scientific mind, and something else, imperfectly understood, a secret force in the man masked by his unassuming slightly pedantic manner, but which she nevertheless felt and sensed instinctively.

In Rex Donaldson there was genius – and the fact that his profession was the main preoccupation of his life and that she was only a part – though a necessary part -of existence to him only heightened his attraction for her. She found herself for the first time in her selfish pleasure-loving life content to take second place. The prospect fascinated her. For Rex she would do anything – anything!”
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A crime-writer’s outline sketch of one character written 77 years ago tells more truth about women than the last thousand editions of Cosmopolitan and the entire output of Jezebel put together.

The purpose of glam mags and feminist websites is not the telling of truth; it is the propagation of ego-assuaging pretty lies. Assemblages of words are merely scaffolding women use to scale and repair their crumbling self-conceptions.

Of what does the above excerpt remind you?

III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority

Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.

CH never read “Dumb Witness” by Agatha Christie, but as the royal they say, great, and honest, minds think alike.

Women come to despise men who spend their lives placating them. Leave the placating to women. It’s the role to which they are suited, and to which they naturally hew.

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  1. on June 11, 2014 at 1:29 pm Women Want To Be A Man’s Afterthought | Manosphere.com

    […] Women Want To Be A Man’s Afterthought […]

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 5:15 pm Anonymous

      I started reading this blog quite recently. What you say is all self-consistent and probably true, though I had not realised it before.

      Rest assured though, the “beta males” who built this world will somehow find a way to royally screw over the current feminist and politically correct way society is leaning.

      The main issue is one of unity, we live in a world so repressive that speaking the truth is met with social condemnation. When that changes or is usurped, we will take our world back.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 5:49 pm CH

        i’m trying to picture what a world that embraced and publicly professed CH truths would look like. my mind wanders to a halcyon time in the mid 19th century… and then it wanders to something very very dark indeed. i suppose a mass intake of red pills could swing the social fabric in any conceivable way.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 9:15 pm Nihilist

        CH doesn’t speak the full truth. He’s a half Pollyanna just looking to get his cut.

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    • on June 12, 2014 at 4:16 am Mike

      Isn’t it weird that feminism got to be so prominent considering how counter to human nature it is? America has gotten weird in recent times.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 8:44 am Gro Haila

        ’twas alway weird

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 8:52 am Greg Eliot

        It isn’t counter at all to human nature… which is such that, when we’re not occupied with survival or otherwise noble tasks, our idle hands and minds become grist for Satan’s mill… right from the beginning, if you’ll recall Genesis.

        And if it is thus for men, how much more so for beings with the mentality of an intelligent teenager?

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  2. on June 11, 2014 at 1:50 pm Will

    Agree with this fully.

    But it’s kind of difficult having a girl third wheel your high status career when a high status career usually involves moving around a lot every 3 years (at least on the way to building a high status career). And in top of that women are raised and schooled to lookfor their own careers so this makes it nearly impossible ha idk.

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 1:52 pm Sid

      “And in top of that women are raised and schooled to lookfor their own careers so this makes it nearly impossible ”

      Not impossible. Ideal. That way she won’t become a third wheel as you globe trot building your career.

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  3. on June 11, 2014 at 1:50 pm Sid

    I would say this is true. Women fear becoming a man’s “every and only thing” in life because that would mean he’s a financially dependent deadbeat and obsessive/compulsive, controlling type. Plus, he’ll have nothing to talk about but her – what she wears, her hair style, her weight, who she said “hi” to in the grocery store, etc. That feeds the obsessive/controlling loop.

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 1:53 pm CH

      women love a man with masculine passion, in whatever direction it’s pointed or whatever form it takes. masculine energy is more vital than feminine energy, and thus women wish to feast on it.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 1:58 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        “women love a man with masculine passion, in whatever direction it’s pointed or whatever form it takes. ” but mostly pointedz at her arse zlzlzoozzooz doggy tstylez doggie stylezzlzlzo

        lzloozozoz

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 2:12 pm Phillyastro

        Although, make sure that passion isn’t in amassing the world’s largest VHS 90s porn collection or being the fattest man to win an award for cosplay at ComicCon. I imagine pursuits of masculine passions work better than others.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 2:45 pm Zombie Shane

        And in fairness, most women, who aren’t raging propaganda-fueled bulldykes, actually want some time alone with the ladies themselves.

        There’s a reason that most dinner parties end with the fellows in one room and the broads in another.

        Men have their interests.

        And women have theirs.

        Precisely as God intended, when He designed us.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 6:58 pm Will

        Define “masculine energy”.

        Are we talking lifestyle?

        Or are we talking deep voice, strong frame personable stuff

        Both are true but what are you thinking of when u say masculine energy?

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 7:00 pm CH

        a lot of the perturbations caused by masculine energy are just downstream effects of not being burdened with the possibility of pregnancy. the freedom inherent in male sexuality expresses itself in the male personality, and that’s what women perceive.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 10:21 pm Will

        That didn’t really clarify anything but I’ll work with it

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  4. on June 11, 2014 at 1:58 pm Sid

    ” masculine energy is more vital than feminine energy,”

    David Deida, is that you? The early 90s called and want their new age psycho-babble back.

    😉

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 2:28 pm cheesetrader

      Maybe so – but he’s spot on here

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  5. on June 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm vagit tarius

    ive never read dumb witness either but i have read atlas shrugged & the female protagonist dagny only gave it up to alpha males that dominated her and had a primary mission.

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 2:29 pm cheesetrader

      Ayn Rand indeed gives good book

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 2:44 pm Sid

        Evidentially Ayn gave good other things too. Otherwise what would inspire her husband to agree to an open marriage when he caught her cheating on him, and what would cause a man biologically young enough to be her GRANDson to cheat on his young wife with her and call her his “soul mate”?

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 3:12 pm CH

        mental illness?

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 2:51 pm Sid

        “Ayn Rand indeed gives good book”

        And evidently, good other stuff to. Otherwise how else could you explain an old bat with her looks wrapping a young (enough to be her grandchild) man around her finger for decades, AND convincing her husband that their affair was in his “rational self interest”?!

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 2:59 pm cheesetrader

        She was clearly ahead of her time

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 3:19 pm Zombie Shane

        > “She was clearly ahead of her time”

        Well, she left behind all of zero biological children.

        Probably because she murdered more than a few of them in back alley abortuaries.

        So, yeah, she was way ahead of her time.

        And her protege, Alan Greenspan, went off and became Chairman of the Shekel Reserve, and began the printing of fiat shekels which we now know as eBernankification.

        So, yeah, way ahead of her time.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 3:19 pm Sid

        Ahead of her time? She started a phenomenon.

        http://vannevar.blogspot.com/2009/05/who-was-cougar-zero.html

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 4:40 pm vagit tarius

        lmao back in the day theyd say she was a very handsome woman

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 5:19 pm Sid

        “lmao back in the day theyd say she was a very handsome woman”

        Yeah and Phil Donahue referred to her as “an incredibly warm person” right before she said “Americans should ‘support’ Israel because Palestinians are barbaric” on his show. Youtube it.

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 5:38 pm vagit tarius

      i think we should support israel just cause they make a great foot in the door for the US to make that grab for all that oil. cant have that left in the hands of the islams! lmao

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 5:51 pm Sid

        “i think we should support israel”

        If Israel is so forward and technologically advanced (as per Rosenbaum Rand’s argument on the Phil Donahue Show), and the Palestinians so backwards, barbaric and anti-civilization, then they don’t need our “support”. They can pull up their own high-tech bootstraps and do for themselves

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 6:30 pm vagit tarius

        but then theyd get all the oil for themselves

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      • on June 12, 2014 at 4:09 am Mike

        The wars are because of the Israel lobby and for Jewish self-interest. Oil is a smokescreen from liberals, many of whom are Jewish and don’t want us to know the truth about the lobby and how powerful it is.

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      • on June 12, 2014 at 9:13 am SatyrWolf

        @Mike

        Funny, most liberals support green energy and renewable resources.

        Revise and resubmit your comment with better information.

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  6. on June 11, 2014 at 2:20 pm Amy

    “Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence.”

    I disagree. I do want to be The One. That’s different than being his everything or only thing, or completing him. All of those are definitely turnoffs.

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 2:48 pm princessjuliet

      I agree! as a woman I feel the same and I am really offended by such a premise

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 3:34 pm ballocaust

      They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out.

      is this “The One” to you and therefore you’re making a semantics quibble or is there some other definition you fine horses would like to provide via mouth

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 6:32 pm Amy

        We do want to subordinate ourselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, help him achieve that purpose, and follow the path he lays out. But we want to feel like we are the special “one” he’s chosen to let do that.

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      • on June 12, 2014 at 10:16 am break her off

        “as a woman I feel the same”, “But we want to feel like we are the special “one” he’s chosen”

        FEEL. not be told.

        a man should never acknowledge this special status a woman craves.

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  7. on June 11, 2014 at 2:22 pm Sid

    vagit tarius,
    “ive never read dumb witness either but i have read atlas shrugged & the female protagonist dagny only gave it up to alpha males that dominated her and had a primary mission.”

    The Dagny character was a powerful alpha female and so was her creator, Alisa Zinov’yevna Rosenbaum, alias pseudonym Ayn Rand.
    {Notice how Alisa is an anagram of alias?}

    Rosenbaum cheated on her husband and when she got caught she convinced him to stay married to her and accept an “open marriage”.

    Powerful women in charge of other humans often seek their equals or higher in mates because it provides for them some sort of respite from what they consider the ignorant docile masses.

    Don’t mistake that for wanting to relinquish the control they hold over lesser mortals.

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    • on June 12, 2014 at 4:07 am Anonymous

      The Brandens have implied that Rand’s husband, artist Frank O’Connor, was a repressed gay man.

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  8. on June 11, 2014 at 2:37 pm gunslingergregi

    real shit test time
    girl wakes up says she wants dope was dreaming about it
    I told her you better wake up and treat my dick like its the holy lollipop
    she laughed
    told her i’d replace her with a blow up doll
    sang her the don’t stop thinking bout tomorrow song

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 2:53 pm gunslingergregi

      she laughed when I said i’m hungry but yea getting me some grub we may make it through this but maybe not

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 3:18 pm gunslingergregi

        she got me rollin
        I go over cuddle with her talk some baby talk bout you so cute when you want dope fucking with her
        she like now you got to give me money I was all calm over here trying to forget about it
        then she says would ya buy cigs I don’t want to roll em today
        I say yea I could do that
        she says ok well just give me that money then I can get dope and roll be able to roll em
        I say you want a hershy kiss
        she laughin you know what I want
        I tell her yea brought it up cause dope is a joke I want it to become a joke not something all serious
        but yea we both laughing
        course she is having a bad day grr oh well i’ll try to deflect the sht
        said her putty gonna go running down the street with my bayonete and rob somenone lolzzozlzolzozlzozlzozlzozzlzl

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 3:24 pm gunslingergregi

      said blowup doll won’t do what he does I said i’d have to have a chick carry it around then he he he

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  9. on June 11, 2014 at 2:39 pm cryo

    I’ve had four relationships in my 29 years. Of those four, three left me for being too detached and uninvested in the relationship. All three tried to come back some time later.

    I think there’s a delicate balancing act and frankly, I suck at it. I can never be the attentive beta but I swing way too far on the aloof asshole side. Resolving now to avoid any sort of relationship and just go for brief flings. I hate dealing with the emotional fallout and attachment residue from failed LTRs.

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 2:48 pm gunslingergregi

      I think I may now be addicted to the breakup feelings

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 2:49 pm gunslingergregi

        all y working life I always had to go work away from my woman maybe i’m just used to that so now that I don’t have to leave maybe i’m liking the breaks

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      • on June 12, 2014 at 9:16 am SatyrWolf

        You went full on Taylor Swift. Never go full on Taylor Swift

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 2:49 pm Sid

      “I can never be the attentive beta but I swing way too far on the aloof asshole side.”

      Keep the aloof but drop the asshole. Women love “having my own space” so if you are aloof enough to give them plenty of that, but not an asshole about it, you’ll be in like Flynn.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 3:39 pm Zombie Shane

        > “Women love “having my own space””

        Just keep an ear open and strategically overhear all the gossip [even though she thinks that you never pay any attention at all] and make sure that you don’t get any sense that she’s sneaking off to see YaReally’s sorry ass every afternoon.

        PS: If you wanna keep YaReally out of your life, then give your woman orgasm after Orgasm after ORGASM.

        An orgasming woman is a happy woman.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 4:49 pm cryo

        I should clarify that I’m not really an “asshole”, I just won’t give in to compliance tests and things of that nature.

        ZS, your strange YaReally fetish aside, you make a good point. Women don’t leave relationships without someone else in the background. It could be I’m losing them to interlopers. Maybe my bedroom prowess needs work, though I’ve never had any complaints.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 5:15 pm Sid

        “An orgasming woman is a happy woman.”

        Whenever I hear another man complaining that his wife/girlfriend doesn’t want to have sex with him, I know I’m hearing from a deadbeat in the sack.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 5:22 pm Sid

        “Maybe my bedroom prowess needs work, though I’ve never had any complaints.”

        Many women won’t come out and say what they’re really thinking. Especially since they’ve been taught we men are ultra sensitive regarding topics of our performance and any little hint of dissatisfaction could shut us down to them for the night, the week, or for good.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 5:27 pm Zombie Shane

        > “your strange YaReally fetish aside”

        I’m just teasing him, man.

        You should go read the archives at his site about the lengths to which he goes in order to try to minimize the probability that one of his bitchez’ husbands will show up with a loaded 12-gauge shotgun.

        Burn phones, no last names, bitch never learns the true physical location of his own crib, scoping out the rendez-vous point before entering, etc etc etc.

        Mother fucker is like a mafia hitman.

        LOL’ed.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 5:34 pm Zombie Shane

        BTW, I’ve got another YaReally-Watch-Your-Ass story in the news, involving our “Solemnly-Sworn Oath Keepers” busy at work:

        Missouri cop accused of secretly filming men in bathroom stalls, posting video online: police
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3166074/posts

        …”When I saw myself pooping, I was just like, you’ve gotta be kidding me,” alleged victim Rob Cheney told Fox reporter Chris Heyes, who was the first to crack the investigation…

        Wentzville police became involved when they say Cerna posted an ad on Craigslist inviting straight men to his house for unusual oral sex acts. Up to 60 men came to have sex through a barrier. They never knew a man was on the other side of the barrier…

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      • on June 12, 2014 at 1:18 am Glengarry

        Sid, are you a woman?

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 4:11 pm Tilikum

      i have 2 relationships a day. get a girl to fall in love in 20 min. playa playa

      starbux beetches

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 5:39 pm gunslingergregi

        you will get to ma status one day keep workin on it
        he he he

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 6:45 pm VRW

        tilikum: what’s the first thing you say to a girl in starbucks?

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 6:50 pm Sid

        “tilikum: what’s the first thing you say to a girl in starbucks?”

        Save the whales.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 8:43 pm Tilikum

        at sbux its what you dont say. dress really well, dont be a chatty chode (either the nerdy student or lame as fuck sales/business guy) and profit. also, DO NOT hit on every girl if you find one with talent.

        staff will pigeonhole you. one you pick a range, you are stuck.

        8-9 only.

        oh, and broads are dumb so dont interrupt them while they are deep in thought….its all they can do to focus. wait till they get up of just seem to be sitting there fucking off. thats not just sbux advice either.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 8:45 pm Sid

        “oh, and broads are dumb so dont interrupt them while they are deep in thought….its all they can do to focus.”

        They didn’t want to be bothered by you, eh?

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 8:52 pm Tilikum

        not at all….just gotta pick your entrance.

        daygame is tougher….no hoes all dressed up at the club looking for the D

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 7:03 pm Will

      Word. This.

      But is it realistic to expect a girl to just chase and follow you and appear on the doorstep etc. one who makes it all easy and is high smv… Everything else just seems too unstable and sloping into that attachment then fallout phase

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 8:46 pm Sid

        “But is it realistic to expect a girl to just chase and follow you and appear on the doorstep”

        Uh, er, no.

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  10. on June 11, 2014 at 2:40 pm gunslingergregi

    told her come on we getting on a train yea I know last post but not that train
    she said better give me some money first grinning
    little fucker lol

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  11. on June 11, 2014 at 2:41 pm gunslingergregi

    I was on top of her talkin she said now I want dope and hoagies smelling my pits hahahhahah

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  12. on June 11, 2014 at 2:44 pm Waffles

    There is a TV station called ID (Investigation Discovery) the programming is advertised as “gives you insight into true stories that piece together puzzles of human nature”. Basically every show is True Crime, with real murders, stalkings, psycho lovers, etc. It is humorous to watch as an extremely large portion of the cases follow the CH teachings. Woman is not satisfied with beta husband or boyfriend, begins having sex with violent alpha, murders husband. Psycho bad boy boyfriends can do no wrong. Pedestalizing husbands and boyfriends can do no right.

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 3:03 pm zodak

      “can do no wrong”

      so true: https://www.facebook.com/StrongPrisonWives/posts/680701291983949

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 5:06 pm Sparks

      Waffles I’ve been watching that ID channel too and thought the same thing. All of CH wisdom basically proven by the situations the women featured get themselves into, including getting killed by their bad boy lovers. I would never have understood it in my blue pill days but it all makes sense now.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 6:30 pm Zombie Shane

        > “I would never have understood it in my blue pill days but it all makes sense now.”

        I dunno man.

        Even after my inner hopeless romantic has long since made peace with some of the more horrifying truths of Evo-Psych, I still don’t feel like it “makes sense”.

        It’s just a tragic implacable insanity which dudes need to learn to deal with.

        Or else become road kill when it bulldozes right over you.

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  13. on June 11, 2014 at 2:44 pm Ronin

    Many of Christie’s stories have the same or similar thoughts.

    Things like: “Men who are mad with brains don’t really want the same thing in a mate. What they want is a beautiful nitwit to laugh at their jokes.”

    and, “If he’s the type of man that’s been good, honest, true, and has done everything he’s been told, he is sure to never get the girl’s interest.”

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 2:47 pm Sid

      “Men who are mad with brains don’t really want the same thing in a mate. What they want is a beautiful nitwit to laugh at their jokes.”

      If the smarties reproduce with dummies then regression to the mean.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 3:41 pm Zombie Shane

        > “If the smarties reproduce with dummies then regression to the mean.”

        Bingo.

        You reap what you sow.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 6:36 pm Zombie Shane

        Although, at the other extreme, there is the phenomenon of

        {uber-smart dad} X {uber-smart mom} => {profoundly autistic offspring}

        Along those lines:

        Study: Price tag of autism in the U.S. exceeds $236 billion per year
        http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-autism-price-tag-20140609-story.html

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 6:55 pm Sid

        I always say there’s a sweet spot for human intelligence. You don’t want to be so intelligent that your disconnect from the lesser mortals causes isolation, depression and suicidal thoughts. You want to be able to socialize and enjoy it. The sweet spot is slightly to moderately above average IQ. This range will still allow for societal participation and the possibility of forming and maintaining relationships.

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      • on June 12, 2014 at 9:14 am S.Plissken

        You want a high IQ woman that did not go to university/college

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  14. on June 11, 2014 at 2:44 pm Flip

    “Man’s love is of man’s life a part; it is a woman’s whole existence.”
    -Lord Byron

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  15. on June 11, 2014 at 2:58 pm askjoe

    I am sure this correlates to one poon commandment but when I’ve dealt with girls who were fascinated by a guy, no matter what the context, they bitched on and on about the guy to people, pretending to ask advice, but really all they wanted was for the person to agree with them.
    So, yeah, blow-job magazines like Cosmo exist to fulfill this function…the friend who agrees that yeah, bob is a jerk and he should be nicer and no you don’t need to lose weight, so yeah, wait for him until he leaves work and confront him, etc. etc.

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  16. on June 11, 2014 at 3:41 pm Tavington

    This website is highly mysoginistic. It’s a proven fact that women prefer men who are sensitive and who believe in feminism.

    We have taught our son that women must be respected and listened to. Hher other day, he was upset that his girlfriend broke up with him to be with an African American boy. We punished him for being racist and told him he should apologize to his ex girlfriend and be supportive for her preference for black men.

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 3:55 pm walawala

      Nice try….I see what you’re doing there. I see through this and I think everyone else you trolling is aimed it will see it too and just blow past it.

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 5:58 pm XVO

      0/10 trolling attempt. 0/10 hyperbole attempt. More believable next time.

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  17. on June 11, 2014 at 3:54 pm walawala

    I agree. But it’s counter-intuitive. After a certain period of time girls will begin shit-testing to spend more time.

    I was seeing a girl recently who was displaying excessively needy traits: “You need to spend more time with me…” “I want to spend weekends with you…” etc.

    I said “No”. She initially backed away. So I did too.

    Then she realized this shit-test went too far and was writing begging, guilting, asking me to get together—even just to bang. I was too busy and after my oneitis disaster was not keen to have a repeat so I refused.

    It was a great learning. Because I wasn’t so emotionally invested I could see how this type of needy behavior could be seductive for a beta guy eager to please.

    Even though I was a total dick…that didn’t turn her off.

    Eventually she just stopped getting in touch…but I suspect that has more to do with the fact that she’s actually busy and so am I than it does that she’s moved on.

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 4:06 pm MercifulBoss

      With my first (and only) girlfriend I had accidentally exhibited the traits that this website and you, describe. All I wanted from this girl was to bang, I didn’t care for all the frivolties. We studied in the same college together and had many of the same classes so she would meet me after class (I would be hanging out talking to my guy friends) and she would cross campus to come and hang out with me after class. I would sometimes take her to my dorm and we would fool around (she enjoyed it). When summer came I had to move back home, and it was kind of a hassle (and I was lazy) for me to travel downtown to see her (she also had to come down and we would meet midway) so I would play starcraft 2 with my buddies and hang out with them as they lived close by me. I only saw her once a month until she started sending me pissed off emails and texts that I see her only once a month, blah blah or that we saw each other only 3 times last month (LOL who even keeps track of this shit). I hadn’t read any of this stuff, so I figured I should make the effort to come down and see her once a week and we would fool around in public in parks and stuff. Then I broke up with her over skype cuz she was pissing me off with wanting to see me all the time (plus I wanted to study).

      Unfortunately, since then I have been unable to assume this aloofness since.

      Any comments?

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 6:02 pm XVO

        You didn’t really like her. The girls you really like, you are having a hard time with. If you could act like the girls you do like are her, than you would find more girls. This is a common problem, but I think you can figure out what you need to do, either go after girls lower than you or game.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 6:10 pm Sid

        “You didn’t really like her. The girls you really like, you are having a hard time with. If you could act like the girls you do like are her, than you would find more girls.”

        Does this work in the reverse as well? My younger sister has 2 beta orbiters who she can “be herself” around, while the guy she’s really jonesing for doesn’t know she exists. She goes out of her way to look pretty and act nice around him whereas around her orbiter friends she looks like shit and acts like a bitch. What gives?

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 8:44 pm Amy

        @Sid: Aloof game doesn’t work as well in the reverse. It can work in specific circumstances.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 10:27 pm Anonymous

        @Merciful it’s mind over matter. I post all my experiences and frustrations as well as accomplishments so others can possibly benefit.

        In the case of my frustrations, yes, when I’m over-invested i think it oozes neediness. When I’m focused and have an inner belief in my self or what is important to me….the women follow.

        I often wonder if there is something intuitive about this. You give off a masculine vibe through your inner confidence….and it comes together…

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 8:34 pm MercifulBoss

        XVO, Good post. I conciously know game and have an idea of what to do in a particular situation, but I can’t keep my body from telegraphing neediness, and bad body language when I am with girls I like. I can start off aloof with girls, then if I like them and I notice they like me back (open me on facebeook randomly) I will get more invested and can’t help myself. What to do?

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  18. on June 11, 2014 at 4:10 pm chi-town

    Women are a great thing that a man may spend his capital on like a luxury. Your attention to them earns you nothing. They cannot be your mission anymore than smoking a fine cigar or drinking an 18 year old single malt can be your mission. They are costly rewards, not earnings.

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  19. on June 11, 2014 at 4:37 pm Scray

    Update on 30 day challenge:

    My general life is busier now, so I just make time to approach whenever I can.
    Trends:
    -Putting less effort into the approaches
    -Entitlement growing by leaps/bounds
    -6-7s react the way 4-5s used to react

    My rejections seem to all be the result of logistics/shit out of my control, rather than I’m not putting out the vibe of a high value man.

    I’m seeing huge ROI with well-placed smiles and smirks that coincide with some sort of implied premise. Doing this right seems to instantly set off the ‘player’ frame.

    Classic example, in a clothing store, walking by and see this 7 looking at clothes….

    Me: Hey….(smile as I come to the rack)
    Her: (looks up….)….hey….(gives a slight, awkward smile then goes back to sifting)
    Me: So…..(purses lips, takes exaggerated lean on the circular clothes rack)….you trying to pick out something nice to look good for your boyfriend?
    Her: (She looks up at me again…I wait like ONE SECOND….then allow a knowing smile to creep across my face; kinda like getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar and enjoying it. Like, it’s obvious I’m trying to hit on her, and the attitude conveyed is ‘I know what I’m doing’….anyway, she just kind of chuckles)
    Me: (moving closer….faux curiosity)…..what?
    Her: (looks away, snickers)
    Me: (now pretty close) What….?
    Her: I can’t even do this right now. I shouldn’t even be talking to you.
    Me: I won’t tell anybody.
    Her: I know you won’t, because we’re not going to talk.

    Now here’s a key moment —- I know I can get this girl. I know that if I pushed it and put in the effort blah blah blah, I could come away with a solid non-flake phone number at least. However, in my mind I’m like ‘look this girl has some kind of weird issue at the moment, and it’s not really worth plowing…’

    Me: Hm. All right then.
    Her: You give up that easily?
    Me: Ya.
    (She moves to the next rack, and I stand there for a second. She looks back over at me a few times, I smile and just say)
    Me: See you later.

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 6:41 pm cryo

      What 30-day challenge are you following, or is it self-invented? I could use some kind of program to stick to.

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      • on June 12, 2014 at 3:02 pm Scray

        Oh, it’s a well-known challenge in the Pooah-sphere. For a month you just make sure to approach at least a few sets every day. No rest days.

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      • on June 12, 2014 at 5:28 pm Rizzrak

        cryo, Scray is a black leprechaun that admitted and cried about how he is too short, black, and beta to attract women, while simultaneously shitposting here constantly with posts such as about how tough he is, how alphas have a lot of children (CH called him out on it), or just telling us his latest story on getting rejected by some girl. worse poster than Maya, Amy, or LR combined easily

        the only 30 day challenge he is following is how long he can get off his anti-depressants before this chimp with a Napoleon Complex ends up killing himself

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 1:27 pm cryo

        rizzrack, I know who Scray is

        we all have our weak moments, at least he is doing the work to improve himself

        “If thou art a man, admire those who attempt great things, even though they fail.” Seneca

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    • on June 12, 2014 at 5:18 pm Krobelus

      please stop posting your non-related exchanges with women where you crash and burn with them. do you still call women ‘mini heartbreak girls’ ?

      you are the same guy that cried about how he is too short and black to attract women, while getting called out for spamming here 24/7. we aren’t interested in you or your life, sorry.

      go back to doing what you’re actually good at you self-admitted ni66er beta crybaby – baking cookies in trees

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 8:39 pm MercifulBoss

        Bro, who the fuck cares? He may have “cried” – as you so eloquently put it – in the past. He may have not. I don’t know and I am to lazy to verify. What matters is that he is trying to get better. He has his successes and he has his failures, like all people do. Someday’s he probably feels good about himself, somedays he feels like shit. And as Seneca said, “If thou art a man, admire those who attempt great things even when they fail”. Like what Rizzark said.

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  20. on June 11, 2014 at 5:28 pm Women Want To Be A Man’s Afterthought | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  21. on June 11, 2014 at 5:29 pm Libertardian

    Sir Mix-A-Lot performing “Baby Got Back” with the Seattle Symphony Orchestra and a few female volunteers from the audience:

    http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/chaos-erupts-at-cantor-election-night-headquarters-after-his-departure/2014/06/10/5710c56e-f106-11e3-bf76-447a5df6411f_story.html

    ” RICHMOND — As if the political drama were not powerful enough, chaos erupted at election night headquarters shortly after House Majority Leader Eric Cantor conceded his stunning defeat to tea party-backed conservative David Brat.

    Cantor addressed his supporters for about four minutes at a suburban Richmond hotel ballroom, then boarded an SUV without taking questions from reporters scurrying after him.

    Then it got really rambunctious. In the room of downcast Cantor allies, a new energy suddenly erupted — but not the kind they wanted on election night. A group of immigration activists stormed the ballroom, screaming and waving a flag. “What do we want? Immigration reform! When do we want it? Now!”

    A few Cantor supporters tried to block the protesters’ entrance into the ballroom, and pushing and shoving ensued. And before they reached the microphone, one Cantor supporter threw his glass of wine at a female protester. She swore at him in return.

    A hotel employee took the microphone Cantor had used and told the protesters in Spanish that the police were on their way.”

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 5:39 pm Sid

      What does that video have to do with immigration? (Aside from the cute long haired Asian chick dancing and plotting to make some chocolate sushi backstage with Sir Mixed Race A Lot?)

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 5:57 pm Libertardian

        I mistakenly thought I was posting in the goodbye America thread.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 6:39 pm Zombie Shane

        Well repost it over there.

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  22. on June 11, 2014 at 5:33 pm martin

    Man’s happiness is “I will”. Woman’s happiness is “He will”.

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 5:40 pm Sid

      “Man’s happiness is “I will”. Woman’s happiness is “He will”.”

      That may be. But its still no reason to say “I do”.

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  23. on June 11, 2014 at 5:59 pm Tilikum

    dudes be HUNGRY

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    • on June 12, 2014 at 12:14 am gunslingergregi

      yea good point
      i’m in new territory with my chick for sure its like new playbook makin and shit

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  24. on June 11, 2014 at 7:08 pm mittja

    Dame Agatha knew of which she spoke. Her first husband, Archie, seduced her alpha-style.

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  25. on June 11, 2014 at 7:43 pm gunslingergregi

    The truth about monogamy. Basically, a lot of sacrifice (especially for men) and for… what exactly? An attaboy?
    ”””””””’

    naaaa
    my bitch free now
    and I still got her jumpin through hoops
    kind of hawt
    he he he
    oh wait i’m not monogamous either though
    ltr though

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    • on June 11, 2014 at 7:47 pm Sid

      Monogamy is going the way of the do-do bird in the US. More and more Americans are flirting with polyamory and open marriage. Another one of the great freedom and liberty loving American visionary Ayn Rand’s contributions.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 8:03 pm gunslingergregi

        i’d say the manly form comes from muslims

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 8:03 pm gunslingergregi

        open marriage Is the gay version

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 8:48 pm Sid

        Most Muslims are not polygamous. Those that are, are doubly, triply, quadruply henpecked.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 8:51 pm Sid

        Keep in mind that Islamic polygamy was created to benefit women, not men. The Prophet first proposed monogamy but then considered all the widows and divorced women who needed father figure$ for their kids and the ugly sisters who otherwise wouldn’t find suitor$. To help these women, polygamy was allowed, for men of means who could maintain each wife up to 4 equally in her own separate living quarters.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 9:09 pm gunslingergregi

        no they not hepecked the wives got to fight it out to get there attention and outdo each other

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 9:10 pm gunslingergregi

        and they can’t get em for 500 billion of there lifes work through the courts if they want something they better make the dude want to give it

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 9:12 pm gunslingergregi

        the open marriage crap as advertised In the west is straight up gay homo shit

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 9:39 pm Sid

        Oh yes they are! Islamic countries are extremely family oriented. That means the matriarchs rule the roost. Not only do you have to deal with your wife (or wives), you have to deal with entire extended family also. There’s a lot of pressure from both sides to conform to familial and cultural ideals.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 9:40 pm Sid

        “you have to deal with entire extended family also. ”

        HER extended family. That’s hundreds of in-laws breathing down your neck.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 10:19 pm gunslingergregi

        Sid

        “you have to deal with entire extended family also. ”

        HER extended family. That’s hundreds of in-laws breathing down your neck.
        ””””””””””””’

        ? you must get all your info from books or married with children

        I lived there dude had 100’s of in laws breathing down my wifes neck
        well not even that we always had something to do loved it
        her mom made sure she took care of me right too
        and if I had two wives would be 100’s more rooting on us to succeed and making sure I stayed happy
        and keeping my wives happy too with plenty of relatives that are safe to hang out with not some fucking dirty ass fake friends who don’t care about them

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 10:21 pm gunslingergregi

        you read about it in a book I lived it dude I loved it
        the family breaths down her neck make sure she taking care of me
        she gets a lot of people who are safe to talk to and not some fake bitches trying to get her to divorce

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 10:25 pm gunslingergregi

        compete with each other to see who has cleanest house and shit
        and they don’t need tv so much cause they can sit out with a ton of woman relatives and have fun talkin

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 10:32 pm gunslingergregi

        my workload there on relationship maintenance is pretty close to
        0

        the woman talking together do the work for me

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 10:37 pm gunslingergregi

        I went to hospital to get my teeth out they put me to sleep
        woke up to roomful of people who cared about me
        talk about people being afraid of dieing alone
        if that is a fear being in the west is the wrong place go east

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 10:40 pm gunslingergregi

        fuck I miss home getting emotional thinking bout the shit

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 10:48 pm gunslingergregi

        oh well girl just finished wings on the grill cheer me up a little he he he

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 11:13 pm Sid

        “I lived there dude had 100′s of in laws breathing down my wifes neck
        well not even that we always had something to do loved it”

        Extended family can be great. I’m very family oriented myself so the more the merrier! However keep in mind you might be getting a little bit of special treatment being a foreigner and all. For native men its not quite as idealistic and romantic.

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      • on June 11, 2014 at 11:24 pm gunslingergregi

        native men got virgins to marry it was more romantic and idealistic for them

        but I get treated special no matter where I go

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  26. on June 11, 2014 at 9:14 pm gunslingergregi

    Sid

    Keep in mind that Islamic polygamy was created to benefit women, not men.
    ”””””””

    lol guess he really was a prophet huh

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  27. on June 12, 2014 at 4:37 am sallu

    CH, can we get more of this type old literature showing alpha qualities? thnks

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    • on June 12, 2014 at 9:26 am S.Plissken

      I agree, I try not to read anything written after 1950 as I find it is saturated with feminist and generally liberal bullshit.
      The older generations knew way more about human nature than people currently think they know.

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