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The Difference Between Men And Women In Two Charts

June 13, 2014 by CH

An OkCupid SWPL, Christian Rudder, who is handy with database cross-referencing, is publishing a book soon about findings gleaned from OkCupid luser data. Two graphs in particular, which “disturbed” a DroneFeed editor (do these fruit cups ever let up on the faux outrage?), are, to CH eyes, unsurprising and starkly humorous.

The first is a graph plotting age of the women who ostensibly have active OkCupid accounts against the age of the men who “look best to her”:

male SMV window of attractiveness

As you can see, women have a shifting perception of men’s physical attractiveness that skews older along with women’s increasing age. Cougar glorification agit-prop to the contrary notwithstanding, women are not keen on dating men younger than themselves.

Now we turn to the second graph, which is the same, except with the sexes swapped:

female SMV window of attractiveness

Better humor through simplicity.

Men, no matter what age they are, converge on a female attractiveness ideal. And that ideal is a 20-year-old tart. A college bro and a middle-aged suburban domesticate want to screw the same dewy susie. Oh sure, the older married guy will never admit it in polite aka judgmental company, but you can bet he’s feeling it. Remember that, you older wives. And keep your hubbies away from cheerleader practices and college orientations.

Men have always been simpler to analyze from a sexual market perspective. Female youth+beauty = high fertility, which men dig. Or, more precisely, which men’s genetic directive digs. And, given the option and a guarantee of little or no blowback, most older men would happily and hungrily gnaw at some tender shoots.

Women’s biologically conditioned sexuality is more interesting, because women are attracted to a whole suite of male mate value cues that include but are by no means limited to men’s physical attributes. Social status, wealth, confidence, creativity, and charm are examples of male sexual signaling traits that women love. And, many of these male mating cues don’t fully ripen until later in life. This explains why women can legitimately find older men physically attractive. The women are attracted to a host of age-neutral male traits which they associate with easily perceived cues such as facial looks.

The male span of redeemable sexual attractiveness is, on average, 20 to 30 years longer than the female span of sexual attractiveness. This isn’t to claim that the typical 50-year-old man will arouse the typical 20-year-old woman. But it is accurate to say that that 50-year-old man has a lot more options for love than would his 50-year-old female peer. He can genuinely drive a younger woman to ecstasy, whereas a 25-year-old woman is already starting to sexually bore her man.

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  1. on June 13, 2014 at 12:04 pm Socali

    I figure since no one yet responded it’s just like.. what’s there to say? it’s obvious

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 2:40 pm burke

      i’ll tell you though, while this is obvious to us, the fact that there are people openly ‘disturbed’ or ‘concerned’ by it is, in fact, concerning. at this point, our country doesn’t even have 1975 ricardo montalban chrysler cojones, much less apollo moon mission cojones. i don’t know the last time i saw an ad even mentioning male ‘needs’ or ‘demands’. the yglesification of america continues

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:56 pm Zombie Shane

      I’m gonna take a slightly different tack here.

      Seeing the 50-year-old dudes lusting after the 22-year-old chicks suggests to me that there are an awful lotta dudes out there who “peaked” in college, and whose lives have been a frigging trainwreck ever since.

      Dudes who just sit there in cubicle monkey hell all day long dreaming about being back in the frat house at a mixer with one of the sexier sorotitties on campus.

      Two really powerful [and powerfully depressing] movies about dudes who peaked in college:

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:57 pm Zombie Shane

        Don’t be that guy.

        Get outta the cubicle.

        Go breath some fresh air.

        Get a life – cause God only gives you one of them to live.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 4:31 pm blindman

        Good point Zombie. There is a point when you have to look in the mirror and wonder why you feel the need to relive your youth. You have to decide that being a man is more important being a boy.

        Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put aside childish things.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 6:26 pm elmer

        The desirable age ranges reported by the women are way off; they likely skewed them lower rather then admit their attraction to older men. This was well documented in R.Don Steele’s “How to Date Young Women For Men Over 35, Volumes I and II”.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 7:25 am girlwithadragonflytattoo

        I was thinking that too.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 6:52 pm corvinus

        The desirable age ranges reported by the women are way off; they likely skewed them lower rather then admit their attraction to older men. This was well documented in R.Don Steele’s “How to Date Young Women For Men Over 35, Volumes I and II”.

        It’s just not socially acceptable to admit they get wet for alphas, or for older men (or older alphas). It would make older women feel even more shitty than they already do, lzozlzolzoz

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 6:57 pm Zombie Shane

        I used to have dudes call me up all wistful and waxing romantic about high school reunions, and all psyched up and prancing and pawing and snorting to get back to them fillies.

        Right up until the old HB9s started showing up as 250 lb orcas.

        Speaking of which:

        ‘Cool Kids’ Don’t Stay Cool Forever, Study Suggests
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3167175/posts

        “The cool kids were also at greater risk for criminal activity and substance use problems at age 21 to 23. In fact, acting old for your age in middle school was a better predictor of drug problems in adulthood than was drug use in middle school…”

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 7:06 pm corvinus

        ‘Cool Kids’ Don’t Stay Cool Forever, Study Suggests
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3167175/posts

        “The cool kids were also at greater risk for criminal activity and substance use problems at age 21 to 23. In fact, acting old for your age in middle school was a better predictor of drug problems in adulthood than was drug use in middle school…”

        I wonder if their research is skewed due to the Nog Effect.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 7:31 pm Zombie Shane

        NOG?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noggin_(protein)

        I was actually wondering whether they corrected for race, since the chimpanzee juveniles mature sexually so many years before the white kids do.

        Don’t know much about armadillo sexual maturation.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 9:55 pm Modern Primitive

        “Seeing the 50-year-old dudes lusting after the 22-year-old chicks suggests to me that there are an awful lotta dudes out there who “peaked” in college, and whose lives have been a frigging trainwreck ever since.

        Dudes who just sit there in cubicle monkey hell all day long dreaming about being back in the frat house at a mixer with one of the sexier sorotitties on campus.”

        Or maybe they just want to plow young poon?

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 4:41 am Carlos Danger

        When I was in college, I vowed that these would never be the best days of my life, that life would only get better. It has. Everyone should make that vow.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 5:31 am Zombie Shane

        > “Everyone should make that vow.”

        This.

        Don’t let The Man [or TPTB or The System* or whatever] destroy your soul.

        God only gives you one life to live.

        Live it well.

        And don’t “live” [which is to say, DIE] in the past.

        Live in the here and now.

        And constantly be prepping for the future.

        *Even if The System in question is the Divorce Industrial Rape Complex.

        Be the Phoenix which rises from the ashes.

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  2. on June 13, 2014 at 12:05 pm gz

    I wonder if women genuinely consider older men good looking or if they prefer them for their other features and rationalize the looks part.

    Then there is the question of “who is the highest possible SMV man”. That would be a 37 year old, charismatic and successful man. But 20 year old tarts will prefer someone their age instead. Why?

    [CH: 20 year old tarts actually find older men “best looking”. look at the chart closely.]

    Are alpha young men superior

    [alpha men at any age are superior. all you’re talking about are degrees of superiority.]

    and older chicks refuse to go for young guys because they have lower chances of getting picked?

    [that, and because they don’t want them.]

    It is strange. What is good genes for a 40 year old woman should be the same that is good genes for a 20 year old.

    [an older woman’s genes may be the same, but her fertility isn’t. and neither are her looks. /occamsrazor]

    The best argument is “picking targets that you can realistically attain”. A 25 year old alpha won’t tolerate a 40 year old woman, not even in her dreams. A 45 year old man might.

    [the charts don’t reflect attainability, they reflect desirability, and that only along one axis of measurement.]

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  3. on June 13, 2014 at 12:06 pm The Spirit Within

    Yep… I’m 38 and on Tinder I tell a 25-yr-old HB8: “You look like you’re in high school.” She replies: “You look like you’re a little too in love with yourself. That’s a compliment, by the way.”

    A older man with charm and swag is what she *wanted* to see.

    Later she called me a bit of a dinosaur, a shit-test which I swatted down quickly. Unfortunately I had to leave town, so we never met, but our whole exchange validates CH’s observations: Look good, keep a solid frame, don’t back down, and the age discrepancy doesn’t matter much.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 5:19 pm what

      Sorry man I’m not saying someone 25 is out of your realm of possibilities but shit testing you about your age right away like that doesn’t validate CH’s observations at all. She wouldn’t be shit testing that early if she was actually into you.

      Doing that just means she thought you were old. LOL

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 5:57 pm Lumpy

        You must be new here. A girl shit testing a guy is a solid indicator that she’s curious about him.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 6:44 pm Reco

        Yeah I was gonna say…that is one of the best things that can happen is a shit test. She is trying to see if you can hang. Now if she ignored you that is really bad. Indifference is bad negative attention is good.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 10:14 pm having a bad day

        @Reco

        …preach that hard-won infield experience, brother…lol…

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  4. on June 13, 2014 at 12:06 pm yeahokcool

    i’d rather be with a 37 year old 3.5 with a nice smile (teeth can be a little crooked) than be with a 20 year old smoke show hottie. that 37 year old will not be a bitch and i can put buns her ovens

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 12:10 pm CH

      funny, i rarely hear this from older men i know who are actually fucking early 20s women and have the comparative data at hand.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 12:21 pm yeahokcool

        that’s because it is completely untrue that young hotties are bitches and old maids with nice smiles are pleasant to be around. plenty of old maids are cranky as all hell. and most young hotties can be easily brought into line (assuming they’re out of line) with the right attitude on your part. case in point: last night, i went to a show with a 22 year old bank teller. she is easily an 8 and has guys throwing themselves at her all the time. to those guys, sure, she’s probably a bit of a bitch. but, to me, the guy who refuses to take her seriously, makes fun of her, and introduces himself to other girls right in front of her? to me, she was a giggling delight to be around. and, truth be told, this “good attitude” stuff really only matters so much anyway. there is NOTHING like being around a beautiful young woman that digs you. having the best attitude in the whole fucking world doesn’t compare to a beautiful young woman. the folks who make comments like mine above just don’t have the frame of reference to understand how wrong they are

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 1:34 pm Arbiter

        there is NOTHING like being around a beautiful young woman that digs you. having the best attitude in the whole fucking world doesn’t compare to a beautiful young woman. the folks who make comments like mine above just don’t have the frame of reference to understand how wrong they are

        True.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:34 pm Will

      Mhm right.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:40 pm Hugh G. Rection

      You should probably have your brain examined forthwith.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 4:46 pm Zombie Shane

      Dude, I ain’t got anything against the “smoke show hotties”.

      As long as they don’t have The Darkness in their hearts.

      Although I do have a big problem with fucking her purposelessly and not putting any buns in her oven.

      Seal the deal for all eternity – enter into the Tree of Life with her.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 8:50 am oralcummings

        What about the Tree of Child Support?

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  5. on June 13, 2014 at 12:07 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    That’s awesome, especially the second graph. lol. I can hear the screams of outrage from here.

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  6. on June 13, 2014 at 12:16 pm Kyo

    I find the first graph unbelievable. Really, men a year or so *younger* are consistently the ones found most attractive no matter how old the woman gets? For a 34-year-old woman, a 32-year-old man looks best? For a 47-year-old woman, a 40-year-old man? Good luck with that last pairing, ladies — there is *no chance* you will get what you claim to desire, or that what you claim to desire will have any interest in you whatsoever. *Maybe* a 40-year-old man would split the difference with his own desire and go for a 30-year-old. Maybe.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:36 pm Baby

      But the question was “which age LOOKS best to you”, not “which age do you realistically think you can date or procreate with.” And yeah, as women get older, their male compatriots tend to get balder, schlumpier and more beta, so it’s not surprising slightly younger men would start to look better. And the average 49-year-old man isn’t scoring 20-year-old babes either…doesn’t mean they don’t look good to him.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 1:44 pm what

        Exactly right. This is what people find most attractive NOT what they can actually get. Everybody wants things that are unattainable and beyond their reach. It’s totally unrealistic but that is human nature.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 1:49 pm Baby

        Yup. In a sense the SMP is all about compromise and trading in at the highest value possible in the moment, otherwise all men would be dating teenage swimsuit models and all women would be dating billionaire philanthropist Clooney lookalikes.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:42 pm corvinus

        And yeah, as women get older, their male compatriots tend to get balder, schlumpier and more beta, so it’s not surprising slightly younger men would start to look better.

        I can definitely see that. The average man in his 30s looks quite a bit fatter than a 20s man. Because I watch my diet, and do try to exercise by doing things like walking whenever possible, it automatically makes me look younger.

        In addition, 30s men seem more subdued and don’t have much of a joie de vivre as 20s men typically do. Again, I’m more like a 20s man.

        About half of the girls I’ve met guess that I’m in my late 20s; I’m 32.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 5:42 pm nomad

        Baby is right.
        We all want teenage swimsuit models and women want George Clooney. Duh. Everybody knows that so why are we wasting our time talking about it? That is fantasy not reality so this type of discussion is pointless, depressing and unproductive.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:39 pm Joey

      I’m mid- 40’s, and rather than a 47 year old woman, I’d go for two women who are 23.5.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 4:23 pm what

        Sure you’ll go for them. Does that mean you’ll get them and keep them? Doubtful. Those girls want older but not ancient. Unless you have money. Who wants a gold digger?

        You guys are way too unrealistic if you think that finding a young girl to love you and be faithful to you for the long term is feasible for the majority of men. A guy in his mid-40s or older with girls in their 20s is the exception to the rule, not the norm.

        And the people saying they are consistently banging girls decades younger than them are doing everyone else a disservice. That’s fine for casual bangs but can any of you maintain a relationship like that for any length of time? I doubt it. You don’t need to go for women in their 40s but if you’re mid-40s or older, someone in their 30s or 40s is a lot more realistic for most of us who want LTRs.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 7:09 pm corvinus

        You guys are way too unrealistic if you think that finding a young girl to love you and be faithful to you for the long term is feasible for the majority of men. A guy in his mid-40s or older with girls in their 20s is the exception to the rule, not the norm.

        Scroll down to Hook or Crook’s post, naysayer.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 7:35 pm Zombie Shane

        > “A guy in his mid-40s or older with girls in their 20s is the exception to the rule, not the norm.”

        Dude.

        Alphas ARE the exception to the rule.

        If Alphas were normal, then they’d be called Betas or Gammas or Deltas or whatever.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 8:19 pm yak

        yeah, and everybody here is an alpha, right?

        didn’t think so.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 8:53 pm curious

        @corvinus and Zombie Shane

        You guys both prove my point. Only a handful of guys out of dozens on here are scoring chicks that are a lot younger than them and the majority of them, if not all, aren’t able to maintain LTRs with these girls.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 9:25 pm what

        @corvinus
        I didn’t say it was unrealistic to find young skanks for pump and dumps. That’s obviously not true if you read all the comments on here. These young girls will fuck anyone apparently. I said it is unrealistic to think older guys can find a much younger girl that can be loving and faithful to you as an older man and she’s someone you can maintain an LTR with. So far I haven’t seen a single example of anyone actually doing that.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 10:02 pm curious

        @corvinus
        Maybe he is naysayer but he did ask a good question when he asked, “can any of you maintain a relationship like that for any length of time?”

        From what I’ve read on here, it appears the answer is no. The most anyone has been able to pull off with a big age difference is a relationship that lasts a year or two max. You can’t even call that an LTR unless you are in your teens or 20s

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 4:49 am Carlos Danger

        A lot of women today are children of divorce and have Daddy issues.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 7:21 am Moses

        The poster with the “What” handle sounds an awful lot like a woman. Or a pua hater man.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 12:14 pm Reco

        @moses I have to agree. Sounds like a whole lot of anger or resentment going on. Doing a careful survey to find out what in his definition is a LTR for an older man with a younger woman. Is this a site for LTR or is this a site about man regaining their power back, and pursuing what he wants from a insanely feminized society? I have been in several LTRs and I can tell you it aint that great if you are a man.

        I would also say that these complainers/haters are probably very young and frustrated. LTRs benefit women. Maybe you should take a look at Rolo Tomassi’s site and read up on spinning plates again or for the first time. And learn from the successes and failures of the older men on here.

        This search for this mythical perfected LTR that is going to come along and fix everything does not exist.

        One final question. Where are all the LTRs on here for younger men who are in the properly age approved politically correct categories? I don’t hear about a lot of them either.

        And if history is any measure then older guys dating and fucking younger women is the norm. The age matched ideal you are looking for seems to be the aberration.

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      • on June 15, 2014 at 6:14 am Emo

        nice

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  7. on June 13, 2014 at 12:17 pm whorefinder

    This chart is totally a product of the white male patriarchy reinforced by 9/11. It does not even account for intersex persons! Or persons of queerage!

    Racists.

    /PA gets off his soap box.

    Rape!

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:37 pm Arbiter

      Why would that be a PA comment? You try to paint him as leftist without any evidence. All because he, like all intelligent conservatives, rejects the neocon lies you parrot. Give it a rest. Pat Buchanan is also a leftist by your “logic”.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:21 pm whorefinder

        lol. PA is a lefty because he defends his master Piggy’s decision to support the Good Men Project—an anti-male, anti-white piece of leftist filth designed to tell (white) men that they should all bow down to kneegroes, fa66ots, and broads.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:33 pm PA

        Lame lame lame, wolfowitzfinder. Is that all you got, neocon?

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  8. on June 13, 2014 at 12:18 pm Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    I wonder what would happen if they showed the men pictures of 16, 17 and 18 year-olds?

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 12:25 pm CH

      that is a dark place few are willing to venture. except here. answer: bigger, stiffer boners.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 1:38 pm Waffles

        LOL

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:16 pm sciences with lisps

        As early as girls hit puberty these days, even some 13- and 14-year-olds are curvy and sexy. But the cherry’s not ripe!

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 6:11 pm Anonymous

        I was going to say that the cut off on the age of attractiveness was clearly 20.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 12:37 pm anonYmous

      if they showed guys 12-60 pics of women 12-60 and asked them to rate those pics feminists would all spontaneously combust when the results are learned. no matter how much pc is done they can’t change human nature, which is ugly and beautiful at the same time

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 12:51 pm Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

      It’s obvious that the age range investigated by the study is inadequate. The unnatural legally oriented “floor” at age 20 yields that unnatural looking flat data graph.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:21 pm Lumpy

      I’m 26.

      There was a big street music festival a couple weeks ago. I hit up a pair of sisters walking along, fucking smoking hot, their image is still seared into my head. I start talking blah, blah, give her a chance to respond. “… I’m 15”. Oh shit.

      Their dad, who I thought was some rando old guy, scoops them up and keeps them walking.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 1:32 pm JironGhrad

        Face it, you are exactly what he thought.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 1:41 pm Arbiter

        Well, congrats on being able to pick up girls eleven years younger! Ihave gotten down to eight and ten years younger. Good times. Seeing a girl five years younger now.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:47 pm pulsotic

        Not to brag, Arbiter, but the girl I’m seein currently is 14yrs younger. Of course, she thinks I’m a LOT younger than I am. I was banging a girl who was sixteen years younger at one point (always legal, thank you). I never say my real age. Why give them a reason to reject you when it makes no difference anyway. When a relationship only lasts about four months, lies do not matter. The only problem I have is keeping track of the lies, but it’s actually kinda fun getting caught and then mind-fucking them so they don’t know what to believe. And when ur seein three or more girls and they all think you do something different for work, the verbal gymnastics are a seriously intense workout.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 4:42 pm Danno

        @Arbiter
        Hitting on them is not the same thing as picking them up. JironGhrad is right, the Dad thought he was an older creepy guy hitting on children and he was right. The girls probably thought the same thing. Wanting something isn’t the same thing as being capable of getting it. You probably came off as pathetic as a fat girl eyeing a box of doughnuts.

        @Lumpy
        You better check yourself before you wreck yourself buddy and get a better jailbait filter. Damn.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 4:47 pm Danno

        @pulsotic
        Exactly right you shouldn’t be bragging. You’re banging a girl 14 years younger than you because you’re a phony and you can’t manage to hold a relationship together for more than four months. You’ve got serious problems dude.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 5:06 pm Danno

        @pulsotic
        Why are you lying about your age? Everyone on here insists that it’s only the older women that can’t get young ones but men can be as old as the hills and still get piles of young pussy.

        Are you actually giving proof that it’s all a lie? That you have to be deceitful just to keep a young girl around? Yep, I think that’s exactly what you just did. You guys are all a bunch of sheep living in a fantasyland if you think you can be an old fart and lock down a young girl and have her worship you the way you want her to. Don’t fool yourself, a hot young girl with any value at all will trade you in for a young hot stud as soon as she gets the chance.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 6:42 pm Mofo

        Accidentally tried to pick up a beautiful 17 y.o. hostess last fall. I’m 44. My friends (even the female ones) thought it was funny. Nobody was offended, and the girl was clearly flattered. Still, upon learning her age I bid her a good afternoon and quickly departed.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 6:55 pm corvinus

        I start talking blah, blah, give her a chance to respond. “… I’m 15″. Oh shit.

        The Latinos got it right with their quinceañeras, lozlzozlzozl

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 7:42 pm Zombie Shane

        If I told you guys the age-differentials that I’m working with right now, none of you would believe me.

        LOL’ed.

        PS: Don’t be the dude trapped in the cubicle as a wage slave, staring at Excel spreadsheets all day long, who sits there day-dreaming about how good things used to be, when he was a kid, in the PKA House, and the DDDs came over for a mixer.

        Don’t die a death.

        LIVE a life.

        God only gives you one of them.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 10:53 pm Lumpy

        @JironGhrad

        Face it, you are exactly what he thought.

        Yup.

        The reason he is scared/disgusted/whatever is not because of what I am, but because he’s afraid his daughters might actually want to fuck men like me. People only treat you like a threat if you actually are one.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 8:53 am oralcummings

        Be glad it wasnt Zombie Shane. You’d be in your grave! Your grave,Jerry!

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 9:12 am pulsotic

        @Danno
        They ask me how old I am and I tell them to guess. It’s funny how they’re always off by one year.

        Lying about my age is convenient when I’m in clubs surrounded by 21 year olds who will reject an older man because they think their friends won’t approve. When they’re by themselves that barrier isn’t there. But I’m in a crowded bar with a ton of competition so I become what they think I am or want me to be. Easy. In sales, if you remove the objection, you close. The age objection never comes up cuz I don’t let it. And it does come up. Yes, older guys can land younger girls, but context is king. If her friends are with her and they just got hit on by “that creepy old guy that hangs out at bars and hits on young girls” and then you come along and are older and hitting on her, then she will assume you’re just like the previous guy and blow you out. Salvaging that, if even possible, is a ton of work that doesn’t need to be done. If it’s a relationship that lasts and she falls in love and you decide to get married then her finding out you deducted ten years from your actual age shouldn’t be a problem.

        Ask a bunch of these older guys here how they met their younger girls. I think you’ll find a context pattern. That may just be a limiting belief on my part, but I’m going on experience in field.

        And what’s with this reframe of “not being able to last more than 4 months”? More like she failed to keep me interested for more than 4 months. She failed to keep me focused on her and exclude the twenty other girls I encounter every week. When my biggest woman problem is not having enough time in the week to hang out with all the girls that want a piece of me, why should I stay in a relationship past its “stale” point?

        Btw, CH, I liked the other reply system better, it made more sense

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 1:44 pm Pluviophile

        35 dating a 24 year old. I love running into females my age when I’m with my young gf.

        The harridans slander me with the typical tripe … then I puncture their souls with the Trident of Poseidon and send them gasping in manufactured outrage with a new-found knowledge of their sexual expiry.

        I love being a man, and I can be very mean.

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      • on June 15, 2014 at 8:14 pm Arbiter

        Not to brag, Arbiter, but the girl I’m seein currently is 14yrs younger. Of course, she thinks I’m a LOT younger than I am.

        Interesting (and congrats), you will have to come back and tell us how it works out.

        I don’t know about lying. Little white lies, I do that all the time, mainly so I won’t have to give long explanations. Or if I’m doing cold opens, I am not going to tell a girl that I went out that day for the purpose of doing cold opens. But lying about myself in a big way, I don’t know about that. It is significant that no manosphere bloggers advocate lying. It tends to mess things up and hurt people. I avoid talking about age altogether; almost no girl asks about it, as long as I don’t ask her age.

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  9. on June 13, 2014 at 12:18 pm whorefinder

    P.S. being on Tinder> than a free lap dance.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 12:51 pm anonYmous

      the rape is strong in this one

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:20 pm whorefinder

        I’m considering my first message to all tinder matches being “rape!” The first girl who identifies me as whorefinder gets a free load on her face.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 5:36 pm anonYmous

        Its almost like he has an uncanny ability to see the rape before it happens.

        If ur profile was set up right I would be willing to bet RAPE!!! as a first message would be successful more times then not.

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  10. on June 13, 2014 at 12:26 pm jack

    I get that every anonymous commenter over 40 will have a story about how they fuck 19 year old college girls or something, but the okcupid data should highlight how hard that is.

    If you know a lot of girls under 25, you know how rare it is for one of them to date a guy above 30…especially white girls. That firsthand knowledge plus the okcupid data above really tosses cold water over Rollo’s SMP graph.

    A guys highest possible peak will always be in his twenties. (“If only I knew then what I know now” type stuff). That is why its so impressive when you hear a guy overcome the age obstacle. Yes, it is an obstacle. Let’s face reality.

    Large age-gaps are always do-able of course, from 26 and up women seem more amenable. Asian and hispanic girls also seem more okay with age differences. But prime hot women don’t really partake that often simply because they can get a guy with all of your game closer to their age.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 12:29 pm Wrecked 'Em

      You don’t know, Jack. You clearly don’t know what all the ladies around you are up to.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 12:52 pm jack

        Right, “Rectum”. I’m clueless.

        Really, for every 35+ yo who gets some prime pussy, there are 100 guys under 30 getting it.

        Considering the average guy, this isn’t too hard to believe. No reason to deny it. Good thing CH readers aren’t the average guy.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 12:37 pm CH

      let’s just say that if you’re the type of person who likes much younger lovers, you’re far more likely to fulfill your desire as a man than as a woman.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 12:48 pm jack

        definitely inarguable.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 1:41 pm Baby

        Is that really true? Not being facetious, just asking honestly. Because from what I’ve seen it takes a lot of game for a man to acquire much younger lovers, whereas there are always desperate betas willing to throw it in a (relatively well-preserved) cougar.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 1:46 pm Arbiter

        Because from what I’ve seen it takes a lot of game for a man to acquire much younger lovers

        Yes. It does. And it requires that you are out there looking every week. I make the effort, because I can’t imagine the alternative.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:55 pm pulsotic

        My experience is that my player vibe turns off cougars and necessitates adding beta game to bang them. Most older women seem to want a relationship before sex. That’s a ton of work in the wrong direction, especially when I find it easier to pump n dump 20 year olds who don’t want a relationship to interfere with their schooling and “careers”. Seriously, it’s like a buffet out there.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 12:06 am Nicole

        Oh, I definitely agree. Women are looking for many things OTHER then age and looks when choosing a partner. Granted being young and good looking doesn’t hurt, but it is not an end all-be all type thing. This is why as I got older, I switched from dating men to women and emphasizing my masculine traits/side. Reopened a larger menu of options.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:41 pm Will

      I fully agree with this. Although I do know of a 9 blonde who is 24 who met a 34 year old guy and they just got engaged and she’s all overrrr him.

      So jack that’s what I’ve been talking about. WHEN you do score the early 20s hottie how do you keep her chasing you (I.e. Healthy dynamic relationship) . You can employ all these LTR tactics, but in reality it’s the girl who decides if she chases

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 1:57 pm what

        That’s the real issue. We might be able to find these younger girls but how do we get them chasing us like you said. They have a lot more options and even from the charts you can see they prefer men close to their age so how do older guys keep girls like this? Can you really or do you just have to accept that they’ll be cheating on you with some younger guy sometime down the road.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 2:02 pm what

        I know you guys all say it’s possible but even Arbiter says it takes a lot of work. Hot girls in their early 20s have men from their teens to their deathbeds wanting them. That’s what I mean when I say they have options. They can have their pick of any man they want so how do keep one around chasing you when they know they can get another guy anytime they want?

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 2:55 pm theasdgamer

        Soft Dread.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:46 pm Joey

        It’s what they find most attractive by looks. Good combination of alpha fux beta bux keeps ’em around. Few mid-20’s dudes are capable of putting a girl’s clothes in the closet of a million dollar home or putting her ass in a nice BMW convertible. Physical looks aren’t irrelevant but women have a weighted scale…

        Yeah, it’s easy to get a leg over once or twice. Harder to make it stick. I just about neeever could do that at 25 though I banged some spectacular looking women. Mid 40’s now, and dodging interested women including girls in their 20s. Most guys don’t know shit at 25, and you sound typical, Jack. How’s your portfolio, BTW?

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 4:29 pm Carlos Danger

        As you get older, a 10 year gap is not really enough.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 7:37 pm nomad

        @Joey
        Seems like the old guys who want young chicks or have experience with them are always talking about the money. Closet and BMW?
        So is it really the alpha fux beta bux that gets you young girls or is it just you having some bank and being a patsy for gold diggers?

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 4:56 am Carlos Danger

        Playful teasing, being the occasional dick, good sex, conversation, do things together, the same stuff it takes for girls your age.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 5:46 am Zombie Shane

        > “You can employ all these LTR tactics, but in reality it’s the girl who decides if she chases”

        OH FOR FUCK’S SAKE.

        HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING IN YOUR TIME AT THE CHATEAU?!?

        You are the prize.

        Not she.

        You.

        Now ditch that loser mentality.

        God damn it.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 2:58 pm The Spirit Within

      Yes, Jack, in countries such as Colombia and Peru, a 10 to 15 year age gap is quite common. Much of our belief system here is formed by the Anglosphere, but it doesn’t represent the world.

      Ironically, in those countries, the 40-year-old women are still absolutely fucking gorgeous, so there’s little need for the wide age gap anyways.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:07 pm jack

        yeah man hispanic girls seem to love older men. for an older guy, Miami might be the U.S. city. with a South American trip probably a better bet if he’s got the cash and the willingness to learn a little espanol.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:10 pm The Spirit Within

        I’ve got the cash and the espanol, and I’m leaving in September.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 6:02 pm nomad

        That’s true about Latin women. Gorgeous. I’ve never dated one but I’ve seen some here in the states that look fantastic for their age and they all have babies until they are old and wrinkly so I’m thinking it must be good genetics. You never see them without a man for any length of time either so I bet they are great in the sack.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:11 pm Tilikum

      “A guys highest possible peak will always be in his twenties.”

      beta males…..yes.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:35 pm corvinus

        Boom. I can tell from his post that Jack has a confidence problem.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 9:49 pm jack

        Actually no betas worst time is probabyl their 20s when all the pussy is being monopolized by 20something alphas. They “peak” when they save a used up girl or two with provider fiat when they are in their thirties and forties. Just like the guys here talking about bmws and portfolios. Pure beta jabber.

        Alphas have rockstar 20s and fill up their brain and harddrives with memories of all the fresh young ass they hit to cushion the gentle curvee downward that is inevitable over the next 3 decades. Alphas will always do well but if you think they wouldn’t go back to their twenties you’re dreaming.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 8:42 am Tilikum

        well jack, im late 30’s and for me, i gotta disagree. stay in shape, stay social, don’t get married OR rich….hot 20-24 yo’s fall at your feet WAYY more than in my 20 where i did just fine 😉

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 2:24 pm corvinus

        Jack, Tilikum’s point is that betas do best in their 20s because they look most physically attractive then. Alphas do better than betas in their 20s, yes. But they do even better in their 30s, whereas the betas head downward in their 30s, relying purely on beta bux in snagging a used-up whore.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 2:43 pm no

        27

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      • on June 22, 2014 at 9:09 am Newbie

        No no… tanks Tilikum.

        I was just thinking about it.
        I’m 24 and I’m started to think that no matter what I do when I’m in my 30s, if I want a young girl it has to be now.

        This data is confusing… because it shows girls in their 20s do not lust for men in their 30s that much.

        Specially girls younger than 24

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      • on June 22, 2014 at 9:46 am Tilikum

        newbie.

        what they say isnt what they do.

        what they do is bang attractive men regardless of age.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:15 pm theoak

      A hot 22yo chick is definitely more likely to be with an older guy (at least late 20s)than someone her age. Most 20yo guys don’t have the experience to pass their shit tests and the outcome independence to not out up with their shit.

      I would say you are right that odds are a guy in his 30s won’t do well with early 20s girls, but most guys won’t have a chance period. Of the small percentage of guys that have a chance, there is attrition. The guys that are good with chicks, don’t party too hard so as to stay youthful looking and in shape, and stay single can pull girls in their 20s easily for another decade plus… There just aren’t many qualified men that stay in the game so you don’t see it often.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 6:54 pm Mofo

      Hit the gym, eat well, be successful, be driven, don’t take chicks seriously, and women of all ages will flock to you. Since a confident, well put together 45 year old is so alien to most 22 year olds experience, a certain percentage of them will be extremely taken by you. But again, you have to be constantly working on yourself. The young ones are not attracted to the age per se: they are attracted to the older men who have used those years to make themselves more interesting men. No idea why this is so hard to believe.

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 7:42 pm J.M.

      Someone here is lacking in the brains department. Whether you like it or not a man in his 30s and early 40s WHO TAKES CARE of his body and has charm can bring more to the table and actually be more attractive to 20 year old girls than a well preserved woman in her 30s and 40s not only for nightstands but for formal relationships, even hard data supports this (far more older men married to younger women than viceversa) in spite of the brainwashing forced upon men and women these days. Of course for your typical Walmart schlub getting a girl of any age is considerably harder…

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 8:56 pm jack

      Actually an early to mid 30s guy can be very attractive to an early to mid 20 s girl. I can get these girls myself (white girls) though its easier for hookups than for ltr’s. Still, girls just out of college are not that tough for a 30-35 year old guy with his shit together.

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    • on June 16, 2014 at 3:23 am H8 Machine

      I am over 50 and never dated a girl who was 30+. I am broke. How is this possible? I am a musician. Put away Guitar Hero and do something that is real.

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  11. on June 13, 2014 at 12:27 pm The Burninator

    Must be running into the outlier twenty-somethings who like older men then. Not 19 year olds, but decent 23-ish-28-ish age range, none of them seem to prefer the younger boyos. Or perhaps I inspire the love-me-daddy instinct in them, dunno (nor do I care, it all spends the same). It does seem odd that the women “prefer” men within a year or two of their age all the time.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 2:05 pm Reco

      I agree maybe it is just my own anecdotal take on things. But I have heard many younger women complain incessantly about younger men how needy they are and such a pain in the ass, and how much they like older men and why.

      But never once have a heard a younger woman complain about an older man. I have had them exclaim that “hey I cant believe I am dating an older man”. But hey how many times have I heard on this very site that women don’t really know what they want anyway.

      So I am not so sure it is not so much them choosing a certain age man, as the right man with the tight game choosing them and leading them to that new experience.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 2:59 pm The Spirit Within

        +1

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 6:26 pm curious

        Are these LTR situations or just pump and dumps? There is a lot of talk about older guys getting young girls but none of them sound like LTR situations. Are any of you guys having luck with that? I know that’s not what most of you want but some of us do.

        I know Will was asking about the same thing.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 7:10 pm Will

        @curious that’s the thing.

        Always confused about the whole “the man leads the relationship”. Which makes sense cause if you are high value the girl will “ping” off your energy.

        But if you lead with these relationshipy and investing things then that is technically classified as pedestalizing and somewhat beta.

        I think it’s a lose lose situation with under 24 aged girls.

        If you do get into an LTR with a young girl it won’t last unless she makes it obvious it will (hence her chasing you and initiating).

        So therefore it is best to buy into this “plate spinning theory”. But this is hard to buy into when you work 40-50 hours a week and high smv girls to come around and present opportunity every so often.

        Because picture it like this. Picture you have 5 hb 8 girls hitting you up to do something or saying “what’s up”. When you have that type of attention and validation and sexual market security or security in general….WHY THE FUCK would you become exclusive and monogamous. YOU DONT. You only do unless you have an ANNOYING girl slutting herself out to you pushing pushing pushing for an LTR in which you get into one then end up cheating on her or dumping her.

        That’s what I’m going with. Flip the script. Cell phones enable all of this too. And “100 likes” on Facebook. becoming monogamous makes you look like that slutty girl who wasn’t a challenge at all and gave everything up the first night.

        You will lose attraction while other very accessible and available guys maintain it.

        LTRs only make sense to a man/girl when the girl gets a guy that satisfies something the others can’t.

        So if you’re a lawyer or CEO and she’s 25 she won’t come across that much so she’ll chase.

        Another weird thing I can’t figure out is WHAT IF YOU HAVE THIS ALPHA DIFFERENCE…the youngest of young girls don’t seem to chase when you get involved. It’s an open invitation but they don’t chase.

        And I think that plays into the hypergamous demands in their life.

        Idk the more I think about it the more our civilization is frustrating as hell.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 7:10 pm Mofo

        To curious: I no longer engage in LTRs, but my last one was for two years with another two years of off and on fucking after that. We started dating when I was 35 and she was 22. At the time I was working on my own and making very little money while she was making six figures as a drug rep. Had not even taken the red pill at that point. I am telling you, yeah, some 22 year olds just want to party, but most are looking for an LTR if they like the guy enough.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 7:13 pm Reco

        I know from my perspective I am not looking for a pump and dump. But i have not had really long term either. Longest has been around six months continuous, shortest maybe a month.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 7:14 pm Reco

        Also I was pretty damn beta in the past.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 10:59 pm curious

        The chance of maintaining a successful LTR with a big age gap is sounding less and less likely all the time. From the comments on here it looks like not many guys can do much with a girl that’s a lot younger than them other than use her as a pump and dump and those that do try LTRs can’t seem to make it past the two year mark at the most. Curious to know what that two year time frame is all about.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 11:03 pm gunslingergregi

        its the year point after which ya usually get tired of fucking em
        just takes another year to get rid of em

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 5:07 am Mofo

        None of my relationships with women closer to my age lasted longer than two years either. Even the blue pill version of me understood that successful relationships require more compromise of my essential nature than I am willing to entertain. I finally gave them up entirely in my late 30s and was much happier. Then I found Game and now I’m ecstatic.

        But back to the main point: no, there’s nothing innate about a younger woman that makes her harder to keep around, other than her higher SMV giving her more options. You just have to keep working on yourself to continue to be her best option. Me, I’d rather put in that work so that the primary beneficiary is me rather than some entitled chicks hypergamy.

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  12. on June 13, 2014 at 12:38 pm Cuckinglinguist

    A(fucking)men Working the ten year spread like a fucking champ. 20 year old creamy heard turning tart with the juiciest fuckin rack, and a 30 year old cock gripping mummy.

    Moral of the story, go to the fucking gym fellas.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:59 pm pulsotic

      +1 frickin million

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  13. on June 13, 2014 at 12:38 pm Opus

    These figures are skewed by an artificially and unnaturally high age of legal consent. I propose that it should be illegal for women over say the age of forty-seven to have sex. Only losers want to shag old women.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:53 pm Arbiter

      Age of consent should be sixteen. Hell, people got married at that age in the past. Well, women did.

      Interesting:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

      The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) “made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband’s estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old.”

      In the 16th century, a small number of Italian and German states set the minimum age for sexual intercourse for girls, setting it at 12 years. Towards the end of the 18th century, other European countries also began to enact similar laws. The first French Constitution of 1791 established the minimum age at 11 years. Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss cantons, initially set the minimum age at 10–12 years.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 5:41 pm anonymous does not forgive

        You misspelled 14. Any age of consent that excludes Ariel Winter, or my first highschool crush when she was the age I had a crush on her, is just plain wrong.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 8:07 pm Arbiter

        You misspelled 14. Any age of consent that excludes Ariel Winter, or my first highschool crush when she was the age I had a crush on her, is just plain wrong.

        Well, many European countries have thirteen to fifteen. Spain has the lowest age of consent that I found, twelve.

        Same country where one in 59 women is a prostitute…. (400,000 out of 23.5 million.)

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 2:46 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

      “These figures are skewed by an artificially and unnaturally high age of legal consent.”

      You, sir, are correct.

      “Ma’am, where do the high school girls hang out around here?”

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  14. on June 13, 2014 at 12:40 pm blow

    @jack
    Yeah, the girls want older but only a few years older. There are some exceptions of course but from the chart it looks like most girls want guys pretty close to their age and want younger as they get old too just like we do.

    Seems to me men get a worse deal than the chicks. They get older and want older guys. We get older and still want the young ones but they are harder to get and keep because they really want guys closer to their age. Ain’t that the way it always goes. Men are always getting the shaft.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 12:52 pm Gro Haila

      Hey, as long one does some shafting of his own to balance things out …

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:50 pm Will

      @blow keep in mind this is on a dating site “ok Cupid”.

      Personally I think the trend shows this: Men always prefer fertile young hot girls. Easy.

      But I think the fact that it’s only +2-3 ages older for the girls interest in guys means a GENERAL attraction to older men when they are young. I think that if a much older guy (30s) can scoop down to her level of playfulness and lifestyle he will move into that attraction bracket with +2-3 older men, it’s up to the guy to be able to do this.

      Kind of like if a 30 year old can LOOK 20 (which is muuuuuuch harder) then she will be an outlier and more attractive to guys

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 4:33 pm Carlos Danger

        So many girls these days have Daddy issues. An older guy with game has a lot of options and opportunities.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:59 pm Cuckinglinguist

      Stay in shape as long as you can into your thirties, while at the same time, acquire wealth.

      The answer is money and social status mixed with a young adventurous attitude. In our younger years, it’s physical shape and bad ass lack of give a fuck attitude that works. As your younger primal sexual power decreases you must raise your social power/status in relation. In order to maintain sliding your cock into young tasty girls.

      That being said I am 29.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 6:08 pm Director

        35 had a 22 year old
        38 had a 25
        40 had 26
        All tall and slender. Late thirties ain’t bad.

        Some professor pts that might have skewed numbers in my favour though.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 6:32 pm curious

        But were they all just pump and dumps? Nobody seems to have any anecdotal evidence that big age gaps like that can work in LTRs too. I’m getting a little discouraged thinking it’s not really a possibility for most of us.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 6:35 pm nomad

        @curious
        Obviously not LTRs. Look at his ages. None of those relationships lasted more than a year or two.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 8:15 pm Arbiter

        But were they all just pump and dumps? Nobody seems to have any anecdotal evidence that big age gaps like that can work in LTRs too.

        My ex was eight years younger. Wonderful girl. Couldn’t stay together because she had to move due to her very specialized studies.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 8:38 pm curious

        @Arbiter
        So it sounds like the age difference was an issue then. She was still dealing with school and you were doing something else. Different stages of life. You wanted different things. That’s what I’m afraid of.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 10:26 pm Will

        Exactly. The trick is making her chase you.

        But no fucking idea if that’s even possible at this point. I give up

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 10:48 pm gunslingergregi

        you want the picket fence
        there is a picket fence
        but
        it ain’t in us dude
        you in the wrong place for 1950’s style thinking that shit gets men dead in us

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 2:58 am Arbiter

        So it sounds like the age difference was an issue then. She was still dealing with school and you were doing something else.

        Having to move due to career can trip you up later in life too. But the point is whether you can be a couple without breaking up for not wanting to be together, isn’t it? And that worked for us. We had a great time together. My only gripe was that she knew too little about the world, but she was heading in the right direction age-wise for learning more. I’ll talk that issue any day though, compared to many other.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 8:44 am Carlos Danger

        In your teens and twenties that badass swagger is the promise of social power and status. In your thirties you have to start delivering.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 12:29 pm nomad

        @curious
        Age difference was probably part of why she made her choice. She was still focusing on her education and career, not ready to settle down. But the main issue here was that her education was more important to her than him. He wasn’t her priority and he wasn’t leading. That could have happened with a girl at any age.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 9:32 pm Mark Slater

      The chart is based solely on what LOOKS best to her, as in, cover of romance novel.

      What she WANTS may be based on many other things. For instance, 40-year-old women reported that 38-year-old men look the best to them, but an individual 40-year-old woman might be delighted with a slim and confident 50-year-old man.

      Speaking of romance novels:
      http://www.amazon.com/Surprise-His-Life-Special-Edition/dp/0373096887

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 3:10 am Arbiter

        but an individual 40-year-old woman might be delighted with a slim and confident 50-year-old man

        So you are saying a 38-year-old man can’t be as slim and confident (hah) as a 50-year-old man? If you’re saying that, then you’re being ridiculous. If you are not saying that, then your argument is nonsense. Trying to make people close their eyes to proven factors by adding other factors and ascribing them to a hypothetical individual in a hypothetical comparison between a young and an old man. You are just the same as feminists who deny what men find attractive in women by saying “But if the fat woman is a wonderful person and the slim woman is a terrible person who also refuses to have anything to do with you, then the fat woman is a better partner for you!”

        Oh, and you found a book cover where the man in the picture looks old. Good for you! For every Silhouette cover where the man is old, I can find a hundred where the man is young. Which you also know. But choose to ignore. Again acting just like a feminist, closing your eyes to inconvenient proportions while cherrypicking examples.

        It doesn’t take much to see that you are old and are speaking out of self-interest, not out of an unbiased interest in finding out the truth. What’s next, you’re going to say that women don’t think a bald spot is less attractive, because you know a really muscular and handsome guy with a bald spot, and on the other hand you have seen an ugly man without a bald spot?

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 5:56 am Zombie Shane

        I wonder if sluts like Amy and FX and Kate and the negress bulldyke will click on that link and Heartiste will get a shit-ton of advertising revenue from Amazon?

        LOL’ed.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 1:48 pm Mark Slater

        ARBITER: “So you are saying a 38-year-old man can’t be as slim and confident (hah) as a 50-year-old man?”

        I’m not saying that at all. Not sure where you got that. The only argument I’m trying to make is that a woman’s LOOKS preference may vary from her overall preference.

        “I can find a hundred where the man is young. Which you also know.”

        Actually I didn’t. I am not familiar with too many romance novels. Pictured is *The Surprise of His Life* which 23-year-old Lindsey find herself attracted to 47-year-old Walker. I thought a lot of the dudes on here might find the premise of such amusing and encouraging.

        But for you, next time I’ll find a cover with a young hunk.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 2:02 pm no

        …in simplest form.. it’s dominance that women want…a young man tends towards violence, risk-taking/a thirst for revenge..an older man dominates by accruing respect, power and influence…

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  15. on June 13, 2014 at 12:41 pm CAPSLOCK HUSTLA

    IN GRAPH #2, THAT COLUMN OF 20’S ARE LIKE A HORDE OF MONGOLS BESIEGING THE Y-AXIS TO BREAK THROUGH TO THE TEENS.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:06 pm corvinus

      Game is all about breaking down shitty walls, dontcha know.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 2:48 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

        …to go balls deep in ‘dem sugar walls.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:22 pm Baby

      Yup. They only said 20 because the 20 was the lowest they could go on the survey. I got waaaay more lecherous attention from grown-ass adult men from ages 13-17 than I did in my 20s. It might creep people out but (at least based on anecdata, which are always 100% accurate) I think it’s true.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 2:06 pm LexSex

        No alpha or superalpha wants their woman used and abused. I argue with my girl cousin all the time. She is 26 and says she looks better now than we she was 18-20.I told her no but of course she says I work out now.She was ALWAYS slim and use to be thicker in a good way b4 she worked out.its crazy how people lie to themselves.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 10:10 pm having a bad day

        this swings both ways…i just was driving thru the neighborhood tonight and 2 13-15 yo hotties were sporting the short-shorts and tight mini-Ts to see how much SMV they had…lol…it was funny cause they were cute and ripe…and they knew it…lol…

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 7:22 am Director

        I’d guess that 16 is the sweet spot. At least the man will say to himself: she’s 16 right?

        Btw 16 is the age of consent in the UK.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 9:14 am oralcummings

        15 year olds…woo hoo

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:23 pm Lumpy

      Lol. This guy is winning.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:36 pm CH

      😆 😆

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    • on June 22, 2014 at 9:48 am Newbie

      Good… lol

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  16. on June 13, 2014 at 12:44 pm Greg Eliot

    In a word: DUH!

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  17. on June 13, 2014 at 12:51 pm Gro Haila

    “James Ball‏@jamesrbuk·Jun 5
    Men are the worst MT @BuzzFeedAndrew These charts from OkCupid’s @christianrudder’s new book will disturb you

    James Ball‏@jamesrbuk·Jun 5
    Well, straight men anyway.”

    Manboob. Exhibit 31415926 of what The City is inflicting on the world.

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  18. on June 13, 2014 at 1:16 pm Joe

    I’m 32 dating a 23 year old right now. We casually dated for 6-months (ie, I saw a plethora of other girls on the side; she says that I’m the only guy whom she’s seen in that time period, and while I normally think a woman is full of shit when she says things like that, I believe her) before I felt like she was a girl worth committing exclusively to.

    All of that aside, maybe 2 or 3 months in, she said to me, “I know that we aren’t exclusive, so don’t freak out when I say this: you’re the oldest man whom I’ve ever been with, be it dating or sexually, and I have to say that, whether or not we ever become exclusive, you have ruined me where I can never date a man my own age again.” When I asked her why, she gave a list of anything from my maturity to my being better sexually (she also says that I’m only the 5th guy whom she’s had sex with, which probably helps explain why she’s actually relationship material at her young age), to even saying that men in their 30s and beyond, she thinks, are way more handsome. “You look and act like a man, which is super sexy”, she said, also pointing out her emphatic love for my beard 😉

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:38 pm Baby

      She’s on her 5th guy and she’s only 23? Yup, that’s marriage material all right lolololollllzzzz

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 1:55 pm Will

        I know hot girls from college at 23. Multiple sources male and female.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 1:55 pm Will

        As in notch count. 23 guys. But that was considered the most or upper range

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 2:04 pm Baby

        Wowza, that is rough. I guess 5 isn’t so bad in the relative sense.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:45 pm corvinus

        Nowadays, it’s either date sluts or convert to Islam, Mormonism, Amishism, etc.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 8:44 pm Joe

        5 guys is an extremely low number for 23 year old women these days, especially if they start banging in their teens.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:46 pm corvinus

      Yeah. One reason I think girls don’t normally consider men in their 30s is because: most are betas, maybe even divorced and are beaten-down and damaged, and don’t keep themselves in shape.

      Alphas in their 30s are few and far between, and as they’re alphas, they’re more likely to be happily married already and not out on the prowl.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 10:05 am robocock

        and as they’re alphas, they’re more likely to be happily married already and CONSTANTLY out on the prowl.

        fify

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 7:49 pm tteclod

      The beard was the best decision I’ve made in a decade, besides reading this blog and practicing the advice. Hair on face = man. No hair on face = female or prepubescent youth. Pay attention to biology and act accordingly.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 2:25 pm corvinus

        Yes. Agree.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 9:48 pm yak

      Sad that 5 is considered a low number for a 23 year old these days. Certainly wasn’t like that when my girl was that age. You guys give me a hard time for being with an older girl (she’s my age) but I can guarantee she is less used up than any of those young chicks you’re banging.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 10:21 pm Will

        This was a hot sorority girl who was the highest in her class at 23 most girls were around 4-10 I think but I have no idea when it comes to trusting that.

        I do know 23 was the high and guy/girlfriends confirmed it ha. But I knew her and she was a super casual girl.

        It’s absolutely ridiculous how much cell phones and internet has transformed the sexual market.

        Spontaneity is off the charts and girls act quickly and based on emotion when it comes to sex

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 11:50 pm yak

        Yet most guys are still claiming that young girls have a monopoly on fresh unused pussy. Bizarre. If they only knew what is was like to be with a woman who has had less than a handful of partners in her entire life as opposed to a girl who has had dozens in only a couple of years time. The thought of that makes me cringe. I don’t know how guys can handle that.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 4:07 pm Eeyore

        I dated a 23 yr old virgin in grad school. Never got past second base. I knew a lot of women with extremely low notch counts then, many looking for a Mrs. degree, an ambition few would openly confess. A couple of sex fiends too.

        5 seems borderline for a young woman looking to marry–in any era–especially in light of the tendency of women to lowball. You can always shack up with a sex fiend, knowing it won’t last. Meanwhile you keep an eye out for Mrs. Right. These borderline cases (5-10) typically feel entitled to nice girl treatment, but sooner or later their inner slut will out.

        An idolum tribus (caveat lecher): you want her to be a nice girl who saved all that bedroom energy just for you, so you downplay signs to the contrary.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 8:41 pm J.M.

        Yak, Young girls may not be fresh anymore however expecting 30 something women to be nearly virginal in the West is like expecting golden apples from the municipal landfill.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 10:24 pm Will

      @joe how much does this girl initiate hanging out/fucking or just initiate the text or whatever?

      I’m in a similar boat but I don’t know if it’s healthy b/c I usually do the planning and initiating of hangouts/or sex.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 9:21 am Joe

        To put it lightly, this girl is head-over-heels smitten with me. When we first met, it was her roommate (who’s been dating a friend of mine for over a year), my immediate two thoughts were “nice ass” and “she’s a bitch”, judging from her facial expression. As it turns out, her roommate told her before the party, “You have to meet Pat’s [her boyfriend] friend Joe: he’s a little bit older and a total womanizer, but really handsome”, even telling her beforehand that I was bearded.
        For starters, I distinguish between a player and a womanizer: a player is, essentially, one who “plays his field”, be it just for fun and a life commitment of sorts, or to see what his options are before settling down. A womanizer is one who does this, but more or less convinces the individual girls whom he’s seeing that she’s the only gal in his life.

        All of that aside, this girl texts me and initiates hanging-out as much as I do, if not more. It’s almost always been the case, too. This obviously isn’t the case with 23 year old women, and that’s actually partly why it took me 6-months of casually seeing her to open up to the idea of being exclusive (she’s my first exclusive girlfriend in 2-years), because I’m not accustomed to women her age being interested in anything beyond partying and fucking. She loves to fuck, and she’s not a party animal by any means.

        What’s your experience like, thus far?

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 12:14 pm Will

        I’m gonna try to keep this short…not as big age gap, but she is an 8.5 girl in college (tons of attention from guys). We were on-off fucking every 1-2-3 weeks for like a year…we’ve been on relationship dates such as going to sporting events or just to a park or whatever. but I’ve fucked her like over 40 times and comparatively they are good fucks.

        Here’s the thing I’m not getting into a relationship with her b/c of our circumstances (grad school, travelling–just a young life etc..). BUT I do want to treat this as a learning experience kind of b/c it’s been the first relationship since I learned what game is really.

        I am high value in this girls mind and other girls–I know this. But keep in mind she is surrounded by a lot of high value guys (i.e. college).

        The thing that fucked with me the most in this relationship is “initiating hangouts” like I asked you about. I did like 75% of the initiating of hangouts (read: hangout then sex and usually spend the night). and I also planned most of what we would do.

        That’s fine because I’m “leading”. BUT it also made ME feel like the chase–which isn’t healthy long-run. As in she could’ve flip-flopped whenever and just said a COLD SHORT “no” or “can’t” to my “hey come over” then I;m trapped kinda ya know.

        The thing is this: typically she seemed to drop what she was doing and hang with me 80-90% that’s including just offering an alternate time to hangout if she couldn’t.

        Idk it just got exhaustive b/c it felt like I was the one chasing so much. But, this girl was high smv and a keeper so it bothers me.

        Basically I need more from her trying to build something and I wasn’t getting that. But, at the same time she was always dropping shit to hang with me.

        She did bring up “what do you want from me. I want to try more relationshippy maybe etc” mid hook up once. BUT I couldn’t help but refer to the “watch what a girl does not what she says” type scenario. As in this girl wouldn’t hit me up to hang and then when I do she says this?!

        Its 1 of 2 things: 1) I am alpha in her mind and all she needs is to see that I want more relationshippy then shell follow. or
        2) she is shit testing me and waiting for some “fails” until she sinks my ship and justifies breaking up this long run of fucking.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 6:54 pm The Spirit Within

        @Will

        Always assume it’s #2. Plan accordingly.

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  19. on June 13, 2014 at 1:18 pm Rig

    As a comment on the older man / younger woman thing – I have very little game, and my parents basically raised me in a way that couldn’t have been purposefully planned to be more effective at reducing their likelihood of getting grandchildren. Despite being twice divorced and in my early mid-30’s, I’m still dating in the 21-25 age bracket. And oddly enough, women around 26-27 start acting insecure like they are too old for me.

    Don’t tell your age to women up front, make them guess it. You’ll be surprised how they mentally assign you whatever age they want you to be.

    The real question is how do you deal with the constant drum beat of the young puppies calling you old (which happens when you take the girls they were after out on dates).

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:03 pm The Spirit Within

      Re: “old” — you can prepare the one-line retorts in advance. You can also be in great shape.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:16 pm cheesetrader

      I just turned 50 and date in that same 22-25 bracket.

      When they call me old, I just laugh and then say something expectedly smartass back at them – anything from “At least I have a driver’s license” to “Bitch, go get me some Metamucil” to “You’re going to have to be brattier than that to get me to spank you again”

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:49 pm Joey

        “Bitch, get me some metamucil” is a winner.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 7:30 pm Ronin

      “Don’t tell your age to women up front, make them guess it. You’ll be surprised how they mentally assign you whatever age they want you to be.”

      Agreed. Experienced this more than once with fun results.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 7:50 pm tteclod

      Laugh.

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 3:14 am Arbiter

      Don’t tell your age to women up front, make them guess it. You’ll be surprised how they mentally assign you whatever age they want you to be.

      Also likely, they guess a younger age to be polite.

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 8:21 am Carlos Danger

      Tell them you can try to give them some pointers to step up their game but women are attracted to men and not boys.

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  20. on June 13, 2014 at 1:18 pm jack

    I posed this question to my blue pill friends.

    Let’s say you’re going to die tomorrow. (Your wife/gf) doesn’t exist. You can have sex with one girl tonight as a grand finale to your life, but she will be random and the ONLY thing you can choose about her is her age.

    Nobody picked an age higher than 19.

    I said 16.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 2:54 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

      “I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.”

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 3:17 am Arbiter

      Every time a man realizes a realtalk truth, somewhere a feminist loses her ovaries. Or so I like to believe.

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  21. on June 13, 2014 at 1:18 pm Reco

    I can tell you from my older man experience that getting women 20 years younger than myself is not that much of a problem. 25 Years younger is definitely doable. 30 Years younger is that is more of a problem. At least at my level of skill so far. I have been told many times that I am very handsome, good looking, good looking etc. But I take all of that with a grain of salt. I am probably good looking but I am no George Clooney. But women s perspective on good looks is so incredibly subjective.

    If a woman is attracted to you she will think you are good looking. In fact she will not only think you are good looking. She will start to tell you all of these amazing things about your looks that are off the charts attractive when in reality they are not. I am with a 30 YO HB8 that is smoking and looks 25 and I am almost embarrassed at all of the nice things she says about my looks. This is almost a reversal of cause and effect. If a man sees a good looking woman she is good looking no matter what comes out of her mouth and how much the guy hates her guts she is still good looking. If a woman sees a man she many times does not know how good looking the man is until she sees him, act, react to her shit tests, charm, experience, demeanor, and game. If this goes well then she will start to see him as good looking. And frankly age has a little to do with that at this point.

    But when you get to these smoking hot 20 somethings. They are inundated with options and alpha male types and really good looking guys. So it is almost impossible to break through that fog of options. But if you do. And your game is really tight. Then you can get to her real core, and she will start to see the attractiveness of an older man. And then all bets are off. Still working on that by the way.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:05 pm The Spirit Within

      I don’t dip below age 25. The ROI on my time and effort sucks.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:28 pm Reco

        Agree with that brother. But I sure would like to be able to if the need arises. Lol

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 4:03 pm corvinus

        Hugh Jackman, is that you?

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:46 pm YaReally

      “She will start to tell you all of these amazing things about your looks that are off the charts attractive when in reality they are not.”

      Most of the girls I get with have normally dated big tall roided up jacked rich dudes. But then when we’ve fucked a couple times they’ll tell me I’m way hotter and sexier and bla bla when objectively I’m just an average dude with a bit of a beer gut that if they looked at me and a bunch of their usual type in a lineup of photos, they would never ever pick me over the other guys.

      But the reason they pick those guys is that they assume/hope that because they’re jacked tall rich etc. they’ll be dominant assertive confident “call them out when they’re being a bitch” men, based on their external attributes of being big and jacked. The same way we look at a girl in a tight mini-dress and push-up bra and slutty heels and think “that girl is probably fun to fuck”…she might be an awkward virgin who hates sex, just like the jacked guy might be an insecure pussy who let’s the girl walk all over him, but we all go by that first indicator because it’s the fastest/easiest way to play the odds.

      So then I come along and I have to pass a fuckton of shit-tests to get in their pants because externally I’m not normally their type at all, but I demonstrate dominance, assertiveness, confidence, pass their shit-tests with flying colors, push-pull, give them emotional spikes, etc. and basically do all the stuff that they hoped the other guys’ external attributes would mean he demonstrates.

      So I’m providing the part they’re looking for that those guys often don’t have (sure, that CEO is confident in his boardroom but a pretty girl says “aren’t you going to buy me a drink?” and he falls over himself to pull out his wallet, etc.) and they end up into me when their past dating history involves way better looking or better-off guys than me.

      It’s kind of like if you were starving and dying for food, you would probably go to a bakery to find food before you’d go to like, a car dealership. But then you’re inside the bakery and they don’t have any food except for a few measly unsatisfying disappointing scraps…enough to make do if you HAD to, but you’re not really satisfied. Then you get dragged into the car dealership still starving and it’s full of delicious food, an entire banquet, and you’re like “holy shit!! Really??” and gobble it all down and ditch the bakeries to keep coming back to that car dealership.

      So ultimately I AM more attractive to them than the other guys who have way better externals, but at first glance it doesn’t make any fucking sense, especially following society’s Disney-mindset value system of what’s “attractive” to women.

      But when you understand the underlying dynamics, it makes perfect sense…and is something you can capitalize on if you don’t have those external attributes.

      If I had those external attributes PLUS these internals? Shit, I could probably take over the world lol But generally guys who spend all their time building up their externals end up with weak internals and guys who spend all their time building up their internals end up with weak externals, because there’s only so much time in the day and building internals or externals requires a huge time/energy investment and dedication, to hit that top 20%.

      One reason I encourage guys to focus on their internals is that I can never grow another foot of height and I’ll probably never bulk up to Arnold levels of jacked even with years of protein shakes and gym hours, and I’m probably not going to start a Fortune 500 company anytime soon because I literally probably don’t have the skills to accomplish that let alone the drive etc. like other guys have.

      …buuut, ANY guy can develop his internals to unlimited levels because it’s literally just mental shifts and rewiring your mindsets. If you could remove all your social conditioning habits that have been built up since you were a baby, you could literally snap your fingers and just instantly BE a guy who exudes insane confidence that attracts the super hot girls. But we’re built with a ton of bad wiring from society and it takes a lot of work to fix that. Once you get going though, there’s really no end to it or limit since it’s all internal. So in the long-run it’s a better bang for the average guy’s buck.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 6:36 pm Reco

        Hey brother curious about your comments on my Monday night FR it is back on the Entitlement Narcissism post. Had a really good night. But would like your feedback also.

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  22. on June 13, 2014 at 1:21 pm cryo

    but what about the trannies

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 9:57 pm Matthew

      Ve haf vays of making zem shut up.

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  23. on June 13, 2014 at 1:24 pm chi-town

    I would really rather go down on 60 year olds, but I am just worried about what my friends would think, not to mention the ridicule I would endure here at Heartiste. That certainly must be the only reason I would say 16 even over compensating trying to hide my true desire. I also eat regular meals at home but secretly eat saw dust

    OK now that we got that over with its actually 14-16 in regard to peak of beauty in some cases, however, there is a countervailing avuncular and protective instinct at that age that pervades my instincts such that sexual conquest just isn’t contemplated. This phenomenon was perfectly capture in the film American Beauty.

    The more dedicated the approach the less conflict I am sure there would be. ..

    20 seem to be the beginning age of generally acceptable sexual conquests and I am sure that is also at work here.

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 8:30 am Carlos Danger

      If that film had been truly daring, he would have tagged his daughter’s friend. The two perfect gay guys and the Marine Colonel were over the top characters. No one in the military acts like that guy did. Generally, they’re pretty normal.

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  24. on June 13, 2014 at 1:25 pm Smoking fat feminist

    what the fucking fuck, wow just wow, there is no room in society for this privileged male mentality, this is two thousand and fucking fourteen. Call the police, call your legislator, next rando I meet is getting rape charges as a result of my reading this study.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:29 pm yeahokcool

      you sound hot!

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:35 pm CH

      😆

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 1:51 pm Baby

      TRIGGER WARNING!!!

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 2:35 pm Greg Eliot

      What are you wearing, “Jake” from State Farm?

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:18 pm cheesetrader

        Cats

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 3:25 pm cheesetrader

        Stupid hit send to soon…

        Catkis

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 9:30 pm driveallnight

        Lulz

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 4:27 pm Cuckinglinguist

      I want to choke you

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 1:47 pm no

      …look on the bright side…it’s either this or the Taliban…

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    • on June 16, 2014 at 9:02 am Anonymous

      Send this hippo and her cat farm to a 3rd world country

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  25. on June 13, 2014 at 1:29 pm Steve H

    Attention 20-something guys who are still virgins or perpetually sexless: You’ve read how 31-34 y/o women pose unique challenges here courtesy of CH’s exhaustive analysis. But notice how nobody wants the 35-45 y/o women (excepting the top ~5% of them, looks-wise).

    Do them a favor. Get that monkey off your back. Two birds, one stone.

    Rome wasn’t built in a day. Gotta start somewhere. Get after it.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 2:36 pm Greg Eliot

      Rome wasn’t burnt down in a day, neither.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 4:21 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Compared to how long it took to build, yes…

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 2:37 pm Greg Eliot

      Just what the world needs… more spent broads imagining themselves to be cougars… meh.

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  26. on June 13, 2014 at 1:34 pm Mitch Cumstein

    I’m 28, dating a 21 year old. I can’t tell you how many girls I grew up with that give me shit about it. “Is she old enough to go to bars?” Meanwhile, they’ve all taken up interests like “traveling”, because, hey…if you’re nowhere close to getting married, you may as well make it look like it’s by design, right?

    I remember we were in Rome, sitting down and having lunch, and all they could talk about, or wanted to talk about, was the young piece of tail I was attached to. While we could’ve just reveled in one of the most beautiful places in the world. Ironically, a glass of wine later, and these same bitches said they would gladly marry a 50-year-old man.

    My dad was that guy growing up. 23 years older than my mom. Every time we’d go out to dinner as a family, I’d notice (even in my childhood), women my father’s age giving us scowls. He’d get elbowed time to time, too. I knew he was the envy of every other man that married their high school sweetheart and spent the next 60 years watching her looks disintegrate.

    Even if I found 25-year-olds more attractive than 20 year olds (which I don’t), 25-year-old women go into “relationship sabotage mode”. It’s an exact science. If everything is going well for a 25-year-old girl in her relationship, she will create something out of her own mind. And only someone who’s dated a younger girl can attest to this: younger women are sweeter and eager to please.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:05 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

      “And only someone who’s dated a younger girl can attest to this: younger women are sweeter and eager to please.”

      Here, here.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 4:33 pm Cuckinglinguist

        Couldn’t agree more. HOWEVER, try purposefully NOT fucking a 30+ girl…. Watch her melt into a pile of insecure-do-anything4you.

        Ka-Ching!!

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:27 pm chi-town

      Chatting it up with girls your own age is a lot like playing bridge with old ladies at the retirement home once a week.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 8:45 pm Arbiter

      My dad was that guy growing up. 23 years older than my mom. Every time we’d go out to dinner as a family, I’d notice (even in my childhood), women my father’s age giving us scowls. He’d get elbowed time to time, too. I knew he was the envy of every other man that married their high school sweetheart and spent the next 60 years watching her looks disintegrate.

      First off, your father is a god.

      Second, I know what that is like. My last girlfriend was eight years younger than me, and she was one of those lucky few who look far younger than she is. I swear, she could pass for fifteen. Small and slim with a face that looked very sweet and innocent. I was lucky. But I got those scowls too, always from middle-aged women.

      I remember a store that had liquor samples, and I prompted my girlfriend to drink one from an unattended table. A middle-aged female employee standing behind a table further ahead looked at us furiously, and grumbled something to a male co-worker. When we got to her table she still had that angry look and demanded to see my girlfriend’s ID. We showed it – yes, she was of age. Suck it.

      Staying at a hotel once, we went downstairs to have breakfast. My pixie-like girlfriend had her beautiful long, thick hair let out, flowing over her back like a forest fantasy creature. An older woman gave her a hateful look. She hadn’t even seen me, I think. She just hated seeing this young girl with her long hair let out like a wave in a care-free manner. Because it was morning my gf hadn’t dressed up, she was only wearing jeans and a t-shirt, but it only made her look fresher and lovelier. Older women have to dress up and put on makeup before going downstairs at the hotel, and they can still never look as good as my girlfriend did that day.

      It wasn’t only middle-aged women, though. I remember sitting down at a café, and we passed by a group of twenty-somethings on the way to our table. I could hear them talking after we had sat down: “How old do you think she was?”

      Sounds like it would be cool to “show them”, maybe. But only a psychopath will think it’s fun when it happens to you over and over, and you always have to wonder if it will happen again the next time you two go out. If you will have to stare down someone, or will have to sit close to a table where an enemy is trying to listen to what you say.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 8:35 am Carlos Danger

        Really hot women all scowl at each other too.

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  27. on June 13, 2014 at 1:39 pm Jay in DC

    There seems to be some incredulity here about the how’s and why’s of those two graphs but it seems rather straightforward to me.

    The male graph, nothing to see here people, move along… of course all men want to bang out teenage girls. Peak fecundity and all that then, innit?

    The other graph seems to be the head scratcher but why would it be? That graph is a product of Western Feminism period. Full stop.

    jack pretty much nailed it. That skew in numbers is MOST prevalent amongst white wimminz. The very idea of an age gap more than 5 years is repugnant to the Western female. This was another carefully orchestrated master stroke of feminist propaganda. It allows for aging potential spinsters to control the market share a bit more when they can stream endless brainwashing to young hotties.

    Creepers, pedophiles (for looking at 18 year olds, right…), and all the other shaming shit from the 50 year old propaganda machine.

    In the early 20th century and all centuries prior women in their teens and early 20s were quite happily marrying 10+ years older. The reason for jack’s observation that Latinas and East Asians don’t succumb to this is quite simple. They haven’t been inculcated since birth with the feminist poison.

    Ditto for South Americans, and EEs. I was dating a Brazilian chick who was almost 10 years my junior and we got to talking about that. She said it really no big deal at all in Brazil to see couplings like this. The EE women I dated, same deal. The idea of a 5 year age gap (or less) being some rule was patently absurd to them.

    The final piece of why these women particularly towards their late 20s and beyond self-select for same age is simply the extraordinary cognitive dissonance they face everyday. Validation to their fragile psyches that yes, I’m still hot enough to land a man “my age”. Of course, they hold onto this laughable ideology into the late 30s and then are shattered and broken up on the jagged rocks of reality. Now they lament and wail “if only I’d have known”, “there are no good men”, blah blah, bunch of bullshit.

    You made your ‘strong, sarcastic, independent, career oriented’ bed, now lie in that motherfucker until you can’t take it anymore and have to swallow a bottle of Xanax.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 2:23 pm Reco

      @Jay well said. That survey on women is all about self selection. Once again they do not know what they want. Along comes the feminists to tell them what they should want. And it is some unnatural “you can have it all bullshit”, sprinkle in some kind of cougar fantasy bullshit which they do not want either.

      Sucks to be them when they get to their upper thirties.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 8:38 am Carlos Danger

        Feminism has been designed on purpose to drive a wedge between men and women and destroy the family. Always view it from that perspective and it makes perfect sense. The young women who stew in it are all useful idiots following the herd.

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  28. on June 13, 2014 at 2:14 pm ballocaust

    1) watch what they do, not what they say. if we were to start believing the self reporting of women, we’d think them all to be near virgins who are waiting on a nice thoughtful gentleman to propose marriage

    2) status and fiat go a lot further to make a woman forget about any qualifications she thought she had for the D. in an economic climate where increasingly pretty young tarts rack up 200K debt/4 years to work as a barista, beta bux (or bux of any kind) gains traction.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:09 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

      Beta Bux may gain traction, but you need Alpha Fux to hold ’em.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 4:02 pm corvinus

        My theory: You always need alpha fux… to gain traction and to hold ’em. Beta bux only helps to hold ’em, and then only if they’re K-selected. They only help gain traction if they’re used-up cougars.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 4:16 pm ballercost

        true enough re: alpha fux.

        bux can gain traction on all; desouled indebted materialistic millennial girls love to lord over their peers will status imagery

        there is a difference b/w “you’re going to take it atm and i’ll bankroll the instagram braggery” and “please let me throw a mortgage and a car note on it so you’ll be my special betrothed forever.”

        both are intrinsically beta for involving swapping resources for ass, but beta has degrees.

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 8:48 am Tilikum

      beta bux eh? down that path lies ruin..im a little different but i adopt the lion model.

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  29. on June 13, 2014 at 2:15 pm ballocaust

    1) watch what they do, not what they say
    2) status + fiat make women forget about a lot of reservations

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:29 pm chi-town

      watch what they do, not what they say make Johny a smart boy. watch what they do, not what they say make Johny a smart boy.
      watch what they do, not what they say make Johny a smart boy.watch what they do, not what they say make Johny a smart boy.
      watch what they do, not what they say make Johny a smart boy.

      watch what they do, not what they say make Johny a smart boy.
      watch what they do, not what they say make Johny a smart boy.
      watch what they do, not what they say make Johny a smart boy.
      …

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  30. on June 13, 2014 at 2:24 pm Rollo Tomassi

    The longer it’s out there, the more it gets verified…

    http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/04/final-exam-navigating-the-smp/

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  31. on June 13, 2014 at 2:34 pm 6striner

    Nothing surprising here. I am 44 and I have been dating at least 10 yrs younger since my 30s. I am the first to admit that I have little game and no, not very good looking. I am back in school and teach as well and just this last semester I had two early 20s girls that I banged from class.
    The truth is if you ask a girl what the most attractive age range is they will say something closer to their age, but in reality they find much older men attractive in a physically primal sort of way.They constantly make excuses-“you look younger” I don’t “your really handsome” I’m not “its your demeanor” it isn’t.
    Oddly its women in their early 30s who are now trying to get hitched pre-wall that you find the most resistance from, but not by much. I find that if I don’t mention age, it rarely comes up except for some random cockblocker in class or out and about. I find the best way to disarm younger guys and women who try it is to say “don’t be jealous son, you’ll get your chance one day” if its a woman I simply say “Don’t be jealous, you had your fun when you were younger, let her have hers” Done.Make the young buck look like a butthurt little boy, make the girl look past her prime. Add smirk to taste.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:13 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

      “I find the best way to disarm younger guys and women who try it is to say “don’t be jealous son, you’ll get your chance one day” if its a woman I simply say “Don’t be jealous, you had your fun when you were younger, let her have hers” Done.Make the young buck look like a butthurt little boy, make the girl look past her prime. Add smirk to taste.”

      Well done. Gotta love flipping the script on the haters. Don’t sweat it — smirk it.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 5:39 pm Reco

        Love the comebacks…I have also paraphrased Ronald Reagan, “about age…I promise to not hold your youth and inexperience against you” smirk

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:20 pm cheesetrader

      Very nice comebacks – will be stealing.

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  32. on June 13, 2014 at 2:35 pm Director

    God was unfair when he made Adam.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 4:35 pm Cuckinglinguist

      ^ thank you

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  33. on June 13, 2014 at 2:44 pm Whatnow

    This will get chalked up as more e-flexing bullshit but when I turned 30 I immediately noticed more unsolicited attention from chicks under 23 than I ever got at that same age or even in my mid 20s. Outside of more grays on the temples (started going gray at 19 tho), my face and body look exactly the same.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:09 pm The Spirit Within

      And in other news, shots have rung out in Concord and Lexington.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 4:06 pm corvinus

      Yes, that’s true for me too.

      In my own case, it’s because in my early 20s I was a quiet, meek, socially retarded dork. I actually find my self from several years ago almost repulsive.

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  34. on June 13, 2014 at 3:12 pm sciences with lisps

    “Men have always been simpler to analyze from a sexual market perspective. Female youth+beauty = high fertility, which men dig. Or, more precisely, which men’s genetic directive digs.”

    Bullcrap. Youth + beauty = Woman in her ideal form as created by God to satisfy Adam’s desire, and thus every man’s desire. As women age, they become literally more dead, closer to being a corpse, and that subtly disgusts us men to the point that the thought of having sex with a 90-year-old woman is about as appealing as having sex with a cold, lifeless corpse, because really she’s about 95% dead. Death is anathema to the way God created us and it is repugnant in all ways aesthetic and sexual. Death is a curse. It’s got nothing to do with evomolution.

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  35. on June 13, 2014 at 3:19 pm SC

    So, what the graph means is that if all men acted on their desires, men would only chase after women age 20-23. I think that that is what men should do. Many men consciously marry women and then feel unhappy when their wives get older. Well the solution to not being stuck with an aging wife is just to never get married, and only have relationships with early 20s women. This would create an interesting scenario where hypothetically, all early 20s women are in relationships or in high demand, and all men are fighting over the relatively smaller number of early 20s women. Would men be okay with the intense competition for a very small number of women? Would women 24 and older be okay with their dating years being completed and having to be single for the rest of their lives?

    [CH: although the charts are measuring desire and not attainability, this sex difference reality in desire has real world consequences in who dates whom. desire is a motivating force that people seek to fulfill. if men universally desire 20 year old women, then they will be motivated, more or less, to do something about it. older men will be less likely to act on that motivation (for various reasons), but the margins are what matter here. the broad male preference for young women and the much more fluid preference of women for men of all ages means that more men will wind up with younger lovers than will women, because they will have been motivated in that direction.]

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    • on June 15, 2014 at 7:41 pm SC

      Heartiste, what you say is true. I am not debating what is or isn’t true. I am only saying that if most men prefer to date women who are 20-23 years old, then those men SHOULD act on those desires if they are unmarried. They should NOT get married because it will make them unhappy in the long run, and it will also make their wives unhappy in the long run.

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  36. on June 13, 2014 at 3:28 pm PA

    Would you look at whorefinder? It’s OK folks, you can laugh.

    I’m referring to his limp-dick swipe upthread and his timid comments in the “Your Mission” thread. What a hollowed out shell of what never was a man.

    I told you boy, you fuck with me, I destroy your mojo. Where are your “rape!” jokes now? How is that dream of more wars and more immigration coming along, monkey?

    LOL!!!

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 3:49 pm Greg Eliot

      Thunderdome is looking like a pretty good idea as each day passes.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 4:03 pm ballercost

      seeing things as they are and not how you’d like them to be is no simple task and coping mechanisms exist for reasons..
      bigger man, don’t kick ’em, etc.

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 4:33 am Carlos Danger

      PA, WF you both need to chill on this argument. Most of us do not know the background and do not really care. I think this is beneath both of you and especially you, PA. I have been here a long time and I always read your posts and respect your ideas. Don’t waste the breath needed for this silliness from WF.

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 9:14 am PA

      Kind words much appreciated… I gave it some thought and decided I’m gonna go ahead and keep abusing whorefinder. It’s a lot of fun… and besides, you see how the masochistic little bitch always asks for it.

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  37. on June 13, 2014 at 3:39 pm corvinus

    I’m 32, and have no problem getting with early 20s girls. It may help a bit that I look younger (about half of girls guess I’m in my late 20s, the other half get my age about right), but regardless, they aren’t exactly running away going “ew ew ew!”, to say the least. I did have a couple of girls look askance at my age, but both were damaged; one became a single mom not long afterwards, and the other was mixed-race mystery meat.

    One subtle thing I’ve noticed is that because my weight is fairly low for a man my age — in the 30th percentile or so — it makes me look younger. This is one way that being fat can hurt a man — it does makes him look older. In my early 20s I was weaker than the average man my age, but now I’m actually stronger.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 4:12 pm Hook or Crook

      I’m 39 and I’m dating a 23 year old and a 26 year old. Both guessed me to be 29, and I’m a haggard, grizzled fucker; hamster wanted me within ‘acceptable’ range, so the gina tingle goggles were deployed. You are spot-on about the weight angle, and I am stealing the term “mystery meat” lol

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 8:44 am Tilikum

      great post RE: weight….

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  38. on June 13, 2014 at 3:41 pm dick fuel

    now those are handy charts

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  39. on June 13, 2014 at 3:53 pm The Difference Between Men And Women In Two Charts | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  40. on June 13, 2014 at 4:07 pm Hunter

    Okay, leading mission in college bar. Surprisingly easy to lead girls around a venue. Short intro, open, tease, and then grab hand and pull.

    Me: “I have to show you this awesome place.”

    Girls: “Um, okay?”

    Me: “Don’t worry, it’s right there (no direction specified).”

    *Pull*

    Pretty funny when I ended up just walking away after to go on to the next girl lol.

    Just gettin’ those massive reference experiences. Solid.

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  41. on June 13, 2014 at 4:20 pm JB

    Yes, some girls do like older men. But when a guy is in his forties, he’s really pushing it unless he has other compensating factors. Even with these other factors, chances are, she won’t have a genuine primal sexual desire for him. The majority of these men will be viewed as beta bux. Now, on the other hand, 3-6 years older than the girl is the real sweet spot.

    I’m in my early 20s and 14-18 year olds always give me blatant IOIs. Their giggling carries more excitement, the way they twirl their hair is more pronounced, and their excuses to get your attention are obvious. The last 3 girls I was with were 18. One turned 18 the following month, but I waited like the true gentleman I am… 😉

    All in all, these girls make it pretty apparent that they like you. It isn’t until the years wear on, when she’s 20-25, that she’s experienced enough heart-ache to start building that wall around her heart and keep most men at a distance, at least mentally.

    Eventually, all b1tches will turn into Alpha Widows. So you might as well continue to do the inevitable and break hearts.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 4:38 pm Carlos Danger

      My wife is 17 years younger than me, a HB 9 and we’ve been married for several years. She follows me around the house and sings songs she made up about how cool I am. I get sex on demand anytime I want it. It isn’t as you seem to think it is.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 9:52 am robocock

        congrats. sounds like the real deal.

        please share as many relevant anecdotes as you can.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 11:24 am gunslingergregi

        yea baby hahahhaahaha

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 4:39 pm Hook or Crook

      Now, on the other hand, 3-6 years older than the girl is the real sweet spot.

      Kid, you’re like 22. Any larger of a gap than this for you and you’d be tearing off cotton panties that have cartoon characters on them. No shit you think this is the “sweet spot”. lol

      But when a guy is in his forties, he’s really pushing it unless he has other compensating factors. Even with these other factors, chances are, she won’t have a genuine primal sexual desire for him.

      I and most of the older men running soft harems here will certainly try to remember that when our 15+ year age gap girlfriends are soaking wet in seconds.

      I’m in my early 20s …

      And boy, does it show.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 7:27 pm pdwalker

        Kid, you’re like 22. Any larger of a gap than this for you and you’d be tearing off cotton panties that have cartoon characters on them. No shit you think this is the “sweet spot”. lol

        This is why I read all the comments, because of gems like the above.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 8:14 pm curious

        You are keeping soft harems but have you been able to maintain any LTRs with age gaps like that? No offense to anyone here but I’m not talking about a relationship that lasts a year or two. I don’t consider that an LTR unless you’re a man that’s in your teens or 20s. I don’t want to be changing out girls every couple of years for the rest of my life.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 10:14 pm Will

        @curious thank you you and I are getting at the same thing

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 5:48 pm Reco

      Give it time JB and you will see the difference. I am by no means an expert on here. But I can tell you this. I get ten times more IOIs than I did when I was your age. And that is by women 20 years younger than me.

      I have never heard from women directly their desire for me more than i get now. And I am not in my forties I am in my fifties.

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 7:36 pm Will

        @reco I respect your wisdom and am glad you are getting these IOI’s I agree from my experiences. Thanks for your input.

        But honestly, the whole point in me joining the manosphere and game isn’t necessarily to bang out tons of super hot girls (which is nice obviously duh) it’s so that I don’t end up playing this game when I’m your age (40s and 50s) and that I already have a stable family with a post hb 9.

        Then when I’m in my boss career I can cheat on my wife with young hotties that I work with IF I WANT TO.

        So congrats on getting the IOI’s, but when I’m that old I don’t want to be on this blog trying to learn and what not ha

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 7:40 pm Will

        And if you stooped down to these younger girls’ levels and was playful etc. you would probably bang one of them out in the bathroom or something. I agree the IOI’s get higher. I don’t know anything compared to you so I’m still learning these are just things that I’ve thought about

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 6:01 pm Marc Bahn

        Yeah, I’m in my fifties, my gf is 25. Temp? Sure! So she gets replaced. Big deal. Golddigger? Well, sort of, but who cares at my age?

        My sons are grown and on their own. My ex is reveling in the wondrous nirvana of being a 50ish woman with no men around.

        All this talk of LTR is fine for the kids in their 20s but who in his 50s would want it? It’s the last thing a man who has already had a family would want unless it was with that increasingly invisible good wife who never bought the American program.

        I recently took my elderly mother shopping (ugh, even into their 80s they need this!). Some vibrantly enriching couple asked if we were married. So, 20s to 80s with the man in between? I gotta chuckle.

        What I’m saying is that at a certain point all bets are off and instincts take over completely. The 20s are a great age but seldom fully appreciated until years later. Then memories take over. Then experience takes over. They are different types of excitement. I feel like a fisherman in deep waters.

        My brother is a super beta, but wasn’t always. When we were teenagers he scored big with hot women in their 30s! I was impressed. Forty years later he tells me he’s embarrassed that I haven’t matured.

        A whole lotta nonsense but welcome any input.

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 4:39 am Carlos Danger

      I’ve been married 8 years and known her for ten. It makes very little difference. This is by far the best relationship I’ve ever had with a woman. We will at times have a different perspective on things but that is minor and I have learned to see the younger point of view. You can’t be a couch potato and have to remain vital and dynamic as the man, but few here would dispute that under any circumstances.

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  42. on June 13, 2014 at 5:56 pm Jeff

    A little OT but the female narcissism is off the damn charts here:

    http://melissaambrosini.com/love/behind-the-scenes-of-my-magical-love-fest

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 6:08 pm The Spirit Within

      There was virtually zero mention of HIM.

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      • on June 15, 2014 at 7:22 am Dunderhead

        Hah… My reaction exactly. This is off the chart SWPL. A dry wedding…. Making her husband stand there at the altar like a barefooted bum… The “paleo” food. What a fucking insufferable day this must have been for the guests.

        Somewhat related, I was strapped to the dentist chair yesterday while a woman dentist was cracking out an old tooth. On the idiot box was one of those womyn talk shows. The topic was a wife bitching about the fact that her hubby never tells her he loves her. Well the womyn panel rectifies that shit in a hurry.

        They make the husband run around NYC yelling at the top of his lungs “I LOVE MY WIFE!”.

        The humiliation was epic.

        The whole scene made me feel like i had stumbled into some Clockwork Orange-esque Ludovico Technique with my eyes pryed open like Alex forced to view the loop of carnage.

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  43. on June 13, 2014 at 6:19 pm Lex Corvus

    For the older gents looking to date the younger lasses, lines that start with “You’re too young to remember this…” are gold. Historical events are especially good: you are a Man of the World™ who has been places and seen things, whereas she is a little girl who doesn’t even remember when the Berlin Wall fell.

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  44. on June 13, 2014 at 7:10 pm Ronin

    One more data point for the Most Interesting Man In The World-angle.

    Before she did one too many of the drugs and went full-crazy, even Britney Spears talked about how great it was when she banged a guy who was 40.

    She was, I think 24 at the time.

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  45. on June 13, 2014 at 7:30 pm Afterthought

    An alpha sperm at 50 is about the same as an alpha sperm at 15.

    We cannot say the same thing about eggs.

    Technology can be disruptive here.

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  46. on June 13, 2014 at 8:54 pm Scott

    The first chart is telling. A man’s window to bang prime teen pussy really is incredibly fleeting. For most it’s over after 22.

    By 40, all a man has are his memories. They better be good.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 9:24 pm AlmostAnonymous

      Speak for yourself, especially with that negative attitude.

      Some of us choose to continue to make memories.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 9:46 am robocock

        “Some of us choose to continue to make memories.”

        not with 15 year olds.

        get young virgin while you can guys. carousel leftovers are nasty.

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      • on June 16, 2014 at 12:28 am AlmostAnonymous

        unfortunately, too true.

        Still, 18 ain’t bad.

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  47. on June 13, 2014 at 9:04 pm tz2026

    There is wisdom in “Barbie”. There are neither mature nor obese variants.

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    • on June 22, 2014 at 10:09 am Newbie

      An ovation to you

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  48. on June 13, 2014 at 9:12 pm ray

    Solid piece, honest. This is not welcome information in secular or religious America. Especially amongst certain demographics.

    Most 20 y.o. females definitely are not attracted to most 20 y.o. males, and for good reason too, as few of these males have actually done anything worth female attention, much less sexual attention. That’s not a tragedy to be remedied, nor a lack in the young men. It’s nature.

    But as you say, most 20 y.o. females are attracted, sexually and more diffusely, to certain 50 y.o. (or above) males. Males, esp in the modern west, grow into their manhood gradually and slowly; it’s common for u.s. males to be 40 or 50 before they really come into fullness.

    “Social status, wealth, confidence, creativity, and charm are examples of male sexual signaling traits that women love. And, many of these male mating cues don’t fully ripen until later in life.”

    Right. And these conclusions argue against the effectiveness and necessity of Game/PUA …except to the extent that ‘game’ produces more articles that knock rocks off twisted roads. :O)

    It’s against the interests of teenagers and young men to be told that employing the tacics and techniques of Game will transform their lives for the better, and result in chicks instantly digging them and Plenty Poolside Poon. That gives some of them wildly unrealistic expectations, in a culture in which it’s dangerous for males to make ‘sexual mistakes’.

    Pickup tools or no, hot babes aren’t going to jump on most 22 y.o. guys, even with Dread Game. What young men should be told is that there’s nothing wrong with them, they need to work hard, learn and strive, be humble, and work hard some more, until they develop into themselves. That’s not what they WANT to be told, of course. They want to be told magic techniques and knowledge of female behavior will band-aid for maturity, confidence, and accomplishment.

    You can help lead boys and young men by telling them what they need to hear. Cheers.

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  49. on June 13, 2014 at 9:56 pm gunslingergregi

    my day was off the charts today
    I don’t even know what the fuck to say lol

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 10:16 pm gunslingergregi

      I learned that my chick gets hotter than the sun when she spends all day picking up woman for me
      I would know she was on my lap all the other time
      not for her to do shit with or share like a Hollywood movie but just for me

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 10:22 pm gunslingergregi

        all honesty I didn’t even know what to do
        blew my mind
        like she really for real is hot when she gets me chicks

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 10:26 pm gunslingergregi

        like she loves it
        I don’t even know I got big smile on face though
        its like a force that I don’t know how to handle yet
        like that dudes story
        about his chick picking up a chick but without the threesome

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 10:59 pm gunslingergregi

        it didn’t start with the picking up we spent first half together only us having an awesome time

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      • on June 13, 2014 at 11:00 pm gunslingergregi

        she passed out now though lol she can’t drink as much as me well nobody can really

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 4:37 am gunslingergregi

        when I started fucking her last night when she was passed out I had her put my dick in
        this morning I get woke up to straight up rape
        kind of funny really considering now the implications of a chick raping a dude and getting pregnant are far more lasting like getting close to the cost of what a company would pay for killing someone than a man raping a chick and her having baby and giving up for adoption
        I mean she is allowed but yea still kind of wild

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 5:22 am gunslingergregi

        ok I talked to her and apparently I tried to have her put it in but she was scratching my shit with her nails so I ended up doing it
        she like did you have a bitch over when I was passed out last night I was like yea we talked about it before you did
        she like ok thanks for being honest
        then did she make you cum
        me yea
        she like just wondering cause you came so fast with me
        i’m like well you were looking hot with the blanket only right above your ass and spread eagle on your belly with putty looking at me
        had her re=enact the position lol
        she like take a picture he he he
        guess I was too quick poor little thing stayed up all night frustrated till she raped me
        I didn’t cum this morning she rode the morning wood till she was done he he he

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 5:38 am gunslingergregi

        her secret is out now get other bitches to take the first nut so I last longer lol
        and she knew the chick came over the texts were on the phone to read all night not hiding shit he he he

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 11:05 am gunslingergregi

        she woke me up again lol she just watching my cock if it twitches she on it

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 11:08 am gunslingergregi

        last night when we got back from bar I did do some of the most depraved shit with her when we first got home it was wild
        I owned this bitch

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 9:53 pm gunslingergregi

        she think she in heat lol
        she said putty wants some more my dick but I got to jump in shower are you gonna come
        but yea I guess carefull what ya wish for and a chick suddenly becomes forward about wanting your dick all the fucking time
        shes turned into a monster lol

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 9:55 pm gunslingergregi

        we are on day 14 from period though so yea around ovulation I think around this point or 2 days prior

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  50. on June 13, 2014 at 10:35 pm quennelle

    I’m 55. I have regularly been banging girls in their twenties since my divorce ten years ago. Quite a few of these girls have fallen “in love” with me. I am not rich. It seems to me that the basics are
    1) Unhealthy is unattractive. Look after yourself. Eat paleo/primal and lift. Use a glute-ham machine because it will stop your butt falling and help you maintain a healthy posterior chain, esp if your job involves a lot of sitting. If you travel a lot, get a chest expander and ab-wheel. They are great for your chest-up posture, again esp if sit a lot.
    2) Have a “look”. For fucksake, not dad-jeans.
    3) Apply the Chateau principles.
    4) Don’t let them put you in the “Dad” role, not even “dirty Dad”. Yeh, Reflecting, that’s important. Lot of girls want that…till they get it.
    4) Live for yourself, not for snatch.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 10:52 pm Will

      “Stop your butt falling”

      What?

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 6:07 pm Marc Bahn

      Similar experience but I’d put less emphasis on “the look” and more on demeanor. Each to his own, of course.

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  51. on June 13, 2014 at 10:37 pm quennelle

    Yeh, I like to count 1,2,3,4,4,… What of it?

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  52. on June 13, 2014 at 11:01 pm blogster

    While I don’t doubt there is some response bias, as some commentator above mentioned (even in anonymity there can be some self censoring/political correctness), this certainly rings true from both personal experience and observation. Last year I completed post graduate studies in europe at the age of 30.

    Where I lived had students ranging from 18 to about 37. Working in the restaurant where 2 20 y.o. Dutch girls, tall (5’8 – 5’9), very attractive. One was very entitled and bitchy and after some initial IOIs I just ignored her. The other was very sweet,long brown hair and following me around like a puppy dog. The moment she broke up with her same age boyfriend, there were invites back to her place for drinks. Interestingly they blanked all the boys 19-25.

    On holiday recently in Japan I banged a 20 y.o, 24 y.o and 30 y.o and made out with a 22 y.o.

    Im still developing all my attributes but thanks god I am a man at my current age. If you read Krauser he was worried about being sexually washed up at 34 after divorcing from his wife. Yet in his latest post, he talks of banging 7 chicks in the last month with an average age around 25.

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    • on June 13, 2014 at 11:09 pm Will

      Yeah if you’re into Asians…I would highly advise going to Asia for a couple weeks. Experience their nightlife–if you are white you will feel like a celebrity no matter what. No joke. It’s interesting

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 4:39 am blogster

        yeah, constantly got touched by girls at the local bar due to ‘gaijin power’ and my physique.

        after a while men at the bar i had been getting to know over time were introducing me to local women (!)without me even having to initiate. Japanese social protocol is intricate. Local woman would see i was mixing with local men, (therefore introduction could be made with a foreigner), she would ask for introduction and therefore approach me. its not a dating specific protocol, more of an insider-outsider protocol (which plays a strong part in japanese life), but they used it to their advantage as plausible deniability to overcome the usual reluctance of women to initiate. this would happen within minutes of walking into the bar.

        i’m pretty built (6’2, currently around 225) and naturally get attention for this, even at home (australia). but back home this doesn’t make me standout to the extent of being a rockstar. but yes the novelty factor (japanese dudes are skinny fuckers) makes you stand out even more to the extent that it compels them to give very strong IOIs and proximity alerts and at times just grab you.

        LIke Mystery’s hyperbolic peacocking, its a great filtering mechanism. During my holiday I would make and hold eye contact with any reasonably attractive chick I saw as I was walking around and at the bars. Japan being a highly homogenous population with highly homogenous tastes (most won’t go for foreigners, but a significant minority will), it was a very rapid way of gauging high raw attraction level (enough to overcome the language difference or their shockingly average English).

        but overall, the fact i can get interest from young ‘uns in Europe, in Asia and still back home in an increasingly feminist infested culture, only spurs me on to continue my self development and ignore the perpetual bombardment of social media which attempts to corral and shame me into going after my own age bracket (as if i have some moral obligation to do so).

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      • on June 15, 2014 at 11:24 pm Arbiter

        but overall, the fact i can get interest from young ‘uns in Europe, in Asia and still back home in an increasingly feminist infested culture, only spurs me on to continue my self development and ignore the perpetual bombardment of social media which attempts to corral and shame me into going after my own age bracket (as if i have some moral obligation to do so).

        Good to hear!

        Your age bracket – but you’re thirty. You can definitely date girls who are twenty, even in the West, with the right looks and moves. Though, it takes a lot more searching than I imagine it does in Japan.

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 6:04 am Zombie Shane

      > “The other was very sweet,long brown hair and following me around like a puppy dog.”

      And you didn’t put buns in her oven because WHY?

      Don’t let chicks like that get away.

      And for the sake of Goodness don’t pump and dump them.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 10:40 am blow

        Stop with the buns in ovens thing Zombie.

        All these guys can do is pump and dump.
        Most of these guys don’t want LTRs. They say it’s because they don’t want the headaches and it’s better and more pleasant for them to pump and dump but what’s really going on is that they aren’t capable of maintaining an LTR with anyone. They find them harder and more unpleasant because they suck at them.

        Sad part is these guys aren’t young kids. They are adult men who haven’t been able to hold together an adult relationship with a woman for more than a few months or a year or two at the most. Those aren’t the kind of men that should be raising children Zombie.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 11:39 am gunslingergregi

        hey blow what mythical men are holding together relationships and not getting enslaved

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 12:02 pm what

        Thanks for that blow. You put things in perspective for me.
        I came on here thinking I’d get advice about relationships but I don’t think this is the right place for that.
        I want to be settled down with a woman I can grow old with but this doesn’t look like the place for getting advice for that kind of thing. Pump and dumps are the main theme here. That’s fine for some guys but that’s not what I want.
        No offense to anyone here, I think pump and dumps are normal for a young guy but once you get older it seems pretty pathetic to be chasing young tail all the time. You shouldn’t have to do that when you get older and I think there’s something wrong if you are still needing to do that.

        One thing that struck me was when Director said in a comment that yes, it takes more work if you’re an older guy who wants young girls. You have to be out there every week looking. Every week? How is that less work than an LTR? To hell with that. My whole life isn’t going to revolve around chasing poon. You guys want girls chasing and jumping through hoops for you but you talk about being out there every week scouting girls and working out and keeping your weight down. You say we need to act youthful and lower ourselves to these young girl’s levels if we want them. That sounds like a bunch of guys doing a whole lot of chasing and jumping and all you’ve got to show for it are some pump and dump stories and no LTR success to speak of.

        I want advice on how to keep the girl I already have into me for the long term. I don’t have serious problems with her. I just want to tighten up my game and keep the upper hand. It’s not that hard being in an LTR for the most part. It’s a lot easier than hustling girls and starting over from scratch all the time.

        I shouldn’t be looking to you guys for advice about relationships obviously. Most of you haven’t been successful with yours so I guess this more of a forum for talking about quick hook ups and all of your relationship failures than an advice blog.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 12:12 pm blow

        @gunslingergregi
        Good question. Although I do see them in the world more often than the men here would have you believe, they do not seem to be showing up in great numbers here at the Chateau. Coincidence? Likely.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 12:13 pm blow

        Unlikely

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 12:30 pm Will

        100% with @blow on this one.

        Except I can’t say much because my longest relationships have only lasted a year ha. But I’m relatively young.

        I think LTR game or how to manage girls for long run should be the most important thing.

        I mean if you are socially retarded and you need to work on how to talk or walk like a man than work at it….

        But for some guys that’s not an issue and it’s more an issue of I don’t want this girl to chase me for life instead of just 2 months or a night.

        Two big things is buy into “plate theory”, build/focus on your mission in your 20s, and get a girl to invest in you.

        Only thing is ‘her investing in you’ is physically and mentally on her terms so you can influence it but not control it–that’s whats frustrating.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 12:32 pm ballocaust

        you say incapable of maintaining an LTR, I say diversifying my portfolio.
        potato, potahto

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 3:04 pm Zombie Shane

        > “All these guys can do is pump and dump. Most of these guys don’t want LTRs.”

        Stop depressing me so damned much.

        I don’t want to be offering pointers to dudes who want nothing more than to crush a poor woman’s soul.

        To be taught the tricks of how to get into a woman’s pants, solely so that they can dump a wad and then move on.

        I’m here to give encouragement to the decent dudes who actually give a shit about the future of Western Civilization.

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      • on June 14, 2014 at 8:34 pm blogster

        because the cause and effect mechanism between life situations and life actions is not a direct line – i.e., sweet, bangable chick interested does not automatically equal impregnate said chick. such thinking is limited and assumes chicks and impregnation are the only factors in life’s equation. life’s circumstances are a bit broader than that mate.

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  53. on June 14, 2014 at 5:49 am gunslingergregi

    RT @HBDBibliography: White Flight, the motion picture (trailer): youtu.be/LF8bTkx0opU RT:@RichardBSpencer 6 hours ago ””””””””

    an actual government conspiracy that’s been happening for at least 30 years all over america

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 5:58 am gunslingergregi

      like the big cities were the breeding ground for the virus and now that it is spread everywhere is becoming the breeding ground I mean wtf is gonna be the end result
      well I guess me becoming a minority and having fun till a gang runs up in my house and kills me

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 12:36 pm Zombie Shane

      Hey, that guy has another awesome video about how Mitt Romney’s FATHER was shoving all of this shit down white peoples’ throats.

      Meanwhile, the Romney boyhood home gets condemned and torn down in Detroit…

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  54. on June 14, 2014 at 5:53 am Frank Lee

    Jay in DC said
    The [graph of womens’ chosen ages] seems to be the head scratcher but why would it be?

    Don’t remember the research term for it, but it’s where people give answers based on what they think they *should* say as opposed to what they really think. It’s obvious as the sunrise that most women would gladly accept a significant age difference if other factors are in place, a 45 year-old George Clooney being a common example.

    Men: Hot, mid teens to early twenties

    Women: Confidence, social dominance, pre-senescence

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  55. on June 14, 2014 at 9:16 am thwack

    When you were in Iraq you were a minority?

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    • on June 14, 2014 at 11:00 am gunslingergregi

      no

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  56. on June 14, 2014 at 10:27 pm Paleo Retiree

    “All the cats wanna dance with / Sweet little 16 …”

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  58. on June 16, 2014 at 1:57 am Gregory Hood, "Sexual Serfdom" | Counter-Currents Publishing

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  60. on July 5, 2014 at 2:11 am The Fertility Bubble: Where have all the good men gone? | Dating Darwin

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