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Value Shit Tests Vs Comfort Shit Tests

June 18, 2014 by CH

Your romantic fortunes (or misfortunes) will make much more sense, and become less a product of chance, once you understand that women are burdened with a split personality, each one desiring a different sort of man. A woman’s compulsive attraction for both male sexiness and male security explains a lot about her seemingly lunatic behavior.

In fact, almost everything women do, in and out of the reproductive sphere, can be profitably viewed through the lens of their “Sexiness/Security Schism” (SSS). And a schism it is, because rarely do the two ur-traits occur at equal strength in the same man.

Game has to take into account the existence of the female SSS, and that’s why many game tactics appear, to the neophyte, contradictory or bafflingly contextual. A clear demonstration of this refracted female sexual psychology is the shit test. A single shit test can have radically different meanings depending on the balance of sexiness and security that a girl perceives in a man, and on the ratio of each she desires at that moment.

ImmoralGables forwards an insightful piece of game advice that hits upon the female sexiness/security schism:

Listen up playas. There are two kinds of shit tests you need to know about (credit to RSD Todd)

1) Value Shit Test – “Why are you talking to me?”
This is where you show why you are entitled, that you’re a man, that you’re not perturbed by her beauty, that you’re have solid frame that can’t be flayed. This is a good time to agree and amplify or just ignore and keep plowing

2) Comfort Shit Test – “Why are you talking to me?”
This is where you assuage her concerns that you’re just using her because she has a vagina. Now you can go the route of providing non-physical reasons as to why she’s attractive, “You’re quirky, I like that.” But RSD Todd showed a really good one that doesn’t step into her frame “Wow, that’s a really modest thing of you to say. Why would a girl like you think that?”

When a woman is seeking sexiness, her unrehearsed interrogation will take the form of value filters. The value shit test is a test for male aloofness, state control, abundance, coolness, and social acumen. When a woman is seeking security, she’ll prod for signals of attainability and seriousness. The comfort shit test is lethal to newbies because they don’t recognize it before it’s too late, and because this shit test can sound *exactly* like a value shit test. But the context in which it is delivered is everything.

What works to neutralize value shit tests won’t for comfort shit tests. For this reason, Agree and Amplify is not a good response to the latter. All that will accomplish is boxing yourself into the “entertainment monkey” cad caricature she can have fun with and then safely and without regret disengage from once the act bores her. The best Comfort Shit Test response alleviates a girl’s insecurity while strengthening emotional closeness.

Another example of a deceptively similar Value/Comfort shit test:

“I bet you’re a player.”

If you get this early on, it’s a value shit test. She secretly wants you to be a player who is loved by women. That’s male mate value. Your reply should adhere to the amused mastery format: “That’s what your mom said too. Strange.”

If she says this during a one-on-one moment of deep rapport, long after she’s dropped numerous indicators of romantic interest, then it’s a comfort shit test. Now would NOT be the time to escalate flirty tension. You want to release the tension, e.g., “I’m looking for someone I click with. I don’t think I’m different than you in that regard.”

Value shit tests tend to happen a lot with higher SMV girls who perceive themselves (at least initially) as out of your league. Comfort shit tests happen with lower SMV girls who fear you’ll use them for short-term sexual gratification, or with high SMV girls who experience a downward shift in their self-perception from the expert application of your SMV equalizing game.

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  1. on June 18, 2014 at 11:19 am Value Shit Tests Vs Comfort Shit Tests | Manosphere.com

    […] Value Shit Tests Vs Comfort Shit Tests […]

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  2. on June 18, 2014 at 11:29 am Tilikum

    awesome post.

    additionally, when you work on yourself and as your static value increases, the majority of tests that you get become comfort. i have missed this and lost out on a ton of potentially cool girls.

    i actually have to leave the house saying to myself “be nice today Tilikum, be nice” or my natural asshole just comes out.

    actually thinking about gaining 40 pounds just to see if female quality actually increases (i’m not sure how really…nicer maybe?) vis a vis being more attainable and approachable in an LTR context.

    as it is iv been staying in and being a hermit because after a while being objectified sucks and wears on your soul.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 1:46 pm corvinus

      Yeah, I also seem to be getting more comfort sh!t tests from girls. I’ve been treating them all like value sh!t tests, then wonder why they seem to have obvious crushes on me but won’t let me get close to them.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 1:58 pm Tilikum

        ya…the good part is though, that you get to a bit more emotionally open. actually, ive been going hard over into the emotion. just cant appear volatile.

        so i focus on spirituality and Taoism and the like.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 4:23 pm Zombie Shane

      > “i have missed this and lost out on a ton of potentially cool girls.”

      Use “Game Game” – i.e. the explicit explanation of how you are Gaming her as you Game her.

      SHE: blah blah blah {value -vs- comfort} blah blah blah…

      YOU: Okay, help me out here, baby, am I talking to Princess Barbie Doll from Hell, or am talking to Girl Next Door with the Heart of Gold?

      SHE: …{quizzical look}???…

      YOU: Cause if I’m talking to PBDfH, then I’m gonna say {hilarious jerk boy hard neg}, but if I’m talking to GNDwtHoG, then I’m gonna say {gentle vulnerability reassurance horseshit}.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 4:24 pm Zombie Shane

        Then follow it up like this:

        YOU: Hey, speaking of GNDwtHoG, when do you ovulate again?

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 8:14 pm corvinus

        YOU: Hey, speaking of GNDwtHoG, when do you ovulate again?

        On GNDwtHoG Day.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 9:06 pm Tilikum

        shane….im sorry but i dont give a fuck about these girls. its a numbers game. no need to reel them back in brother. new 22 yo’s at starbucks every single day.

        thanks tho!

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 6:52 am Zombie Shane

        > “i dont give a fuck about these girls”

        God damn it with the pump & dumps.

        And you guys wonder why there are so many Dark cynical emotionally-trainwrecked broken-souled whores out there?

        Some of you dudes are enough to make me feel a little sorry for the femcunts.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 10:33 pm gunslingergregi

      dam that is wild being a hermit to not get objectified
      start making money off the shit fuck it
      if ya got it like that
      get paid for being objectified lol
      your telling me its hard to have a relationship
      what is it you want out of the chick you would be in one with?

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 10:54 am yak

      i was totally onboard with you on this until you started in with all the bragging again. gain weight so you aren’t so intimidating for girls? new girls at starbucks everyday? you think we are buying that shiz? sounds like you’re trying to compensate for a serious confidence problem and it doesn’t add to your credibility at all.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 12:50 pm Tilikum

        so nobody ever crosses the bridge in your world eh? what do we call that….lack of ability to learn, ignorance, or just lazy?

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 1:07 pm yak

        you must be skipping the chapters about humility while you study all that spirituality and taoism, huh? i don’t blame you, that’s the tough stuff. just keep working on it and i’m sure you’ll get it eventually.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 1:36 pm Tilikum

        ah man….you are mistaking humility for hubris. its common. difference is hubris comes from insecurity and questioning your own frame, where humility is a gift given from strength and a proven history of success.

        humility for humility’s sake is by definition…weakness. you know, come here you big silly, and let me coach you.

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  3. on June 18, 2014 at 11:30 am immoralgables

    Spot on Heartiste, you nailed it and thanks for taking the time to explain it so well.

    As soon as I type up all my notes from the RSD hotseat I will share them with the Chateau an the readership.

    Btw, if you want limiting beliefs smashed, just go to an Rsd hotseat and see Tyler’s infield footage. That guy is lethal and an incredible speaker.

    Make sure to go out and apply afterward.

    The biggest takeaway from the Hotseat that I can’t shake out of my head is this

    “you guys are simply not learning fucking fast enough. Go out hard for the next 6 months. You are learning TOO slow” – RSD Tyler

    …fuck

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 12:15 pm Hunter

      I’m copy-pasting Tyler’s quote, thanks man

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  4. on June 18, 2014 at 11:36 am Ronin

    IG’s comment was my favorite of that thread. Good stuff.

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  5. on June 18, 2014 at 11:38 am blow

    “Comfort shit tests happen with….or with high SMV girls who experience a downward shift in their self-perception from the expert application of your SMV equalizing game.”

    I’ve failed these shit tests with a couple girls. They were both super hot and I assumed I had to play it pretty tough on them. They were both way more fragile and insecure than I imagined. Getting the right balance with these girls is a bitch.

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  6. on June 18, 2014 at 11:38 am Grampy_bone

    Slightly off topic, question for the forum.

    Today I wake up to find a text from this girl. It reads, “Sorry if I was distant last night. Got stuff on my mind I’m trying to work through.”

    Context: we banged for the fourth consecutive time in about three weeks. She’s 27, I’m 33. Last Friday she got drunk and when we had sex she enjoyed(?) it so much she started crying. Last night I sensed things were a little off but I didn’t make a deal out of it. I didn’t ask her what was wrong or if she was okay. She invited me over, bought us ice cream, I had my way with her and left.

    So what’s the cool response to this? “…” “lol” ascii penis?

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 11:44 am Arbiter

      “No problem!” It doesn’t have to be more complicated than that. Why would you want to give a “cool” i.e. rude response (that’s what you describe), when she did nothing to you?

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 12:20 pm Amy

        Kinda ironic in a post about comfort shit tests, isn’t it?

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 2:27 pm L8Br8ker

        “Last Friday she got drunk and when we had sex she enjoyed(?) it so much she started crying”

        wait, was it consentual or was it ………RAPE! ?

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 11:51 am Heywood Jablome

      Ignore. Continue texting on your own schedule as if that message never arrived.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 11:52 am Big Balls

      “we had sex she enjoyed(?) it so much she started crying.”

      the crying orgasm is big. props. she’ll be hooked in no time.

      “I didn’t ask her what was wrong or if she was okay.”

      nicely played. continue to assume everything is excellent, maintain solid frame. ignore her words/bs. focus on your world.

      “She invited me over, bought us ice cream, I had my way with her and left.”

      perfect night. you’re winning and she wants you to.

      “So what’s the cool response to this?”

      imho none. do not acknowldege. redirect with future intent. do not enter her world/mindgames

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 12:29 pm Tilikum

      shes fallin….back out slow.

      any comfort will be misconstrued…and while players fuck up sometimes, we arent cruel.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 3:02 pm Steve H

        I agree. Unless you want an LTR with her. Otherwise – You can fuck her again in a month or two if she contacts you or you see her around happenstance. But – 4 times fucking in 3 weeks + her crying after sex + this hamster/bullshit text = it’s not casual for her anymore. She needs to know your terms before you fuck her again. The way to do that is to back away for at least a month. Message delivered.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 1:16 pm blindman

      what Tilikum said is true. sounds like she’s falling for you. but there’s no need to be an asshole about it. this is a comfort shit test. exactly what CH is talking about. back out if you don’t want to keep her around or do what Arbiter said if you like her.

      she’s hinting around to see if you care but not coming right and telling you what’s going on. she’s fishing and you don’t want to play that game but there’s nothing wrong with being decent to a girl who did nothing wrong. saying something like no problem is perfect. you are acknowledging her but not falling into a trap by asking her what her issues are.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 2:59 pm Lara

      “Are you distant like that with other men?”

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 3:02 pm nomad

      Do you want to keep her around? If you don’t, back away like Tilikum said. It sounds like she likes you.

      But if you want to keep her, I’d do what Arbiter said. You don’t want to appease her when she’s pulling that passive aggressive crap but there’s no reason to be a dick about it and ignore her either. Saying something like no problem addresses the issue but keeps you from getting sucked into her drama. It’s a good compromise.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 3:23 pm nomad

        Having said that, it might even be reasonable to let her vent if you want. Don’t be saying stuff like what’s wrong sweetie? in a whiny placating way. You guys know what I mean. But I think you could be sympathetic in a carefree playful way if you time it right.
        Say something like, uh oh, did baby have a bad day? Come here and tell daddy all about it whole you’re patting the couch next to you or pulling her into your lap like a child when you say it.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 10:24 pm blindman

        you mocking me nomad? don’t be playing me like that man.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 10:44 am nomad

        chill out dude. i was agreeing with you.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 4:37 pm Zombie Shane

      SHE: Got stuff on my mind I’m trying to work through.

      YOU: In nine months, we’re gonna have a baby?!?

      SHE: Don’t be silly.

      YOU: Oh. Bummer.

      SHE: I got some stuff I need to resolve with my ex.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 4:38 pm Zombie Shane

        YOU: You’re pregnant with his baby?

        SHE: No, silly. He just doesn’t want to let go. Keeps txting me and leaving messages on my voice mail.

        YOU: You give me the word, and I’ll take care of it.

        SHE: No, because you’ll just shoot him.

        YOU: Well at least you’re getting to understand me a little better. LOL’ed.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 6:59 am Zombie Shane

        SRSLY.

        Bitch who is so into you that she starts crying when she gives up the big O is offering you some relationship chemistry which doesn’t come along every day.

        I would strongly, strongly urge you to consider sealing the deal with this chick.

        Again – DO NOT KID YOURSELF – this kinda thing does NOT come walking into your life very often, if at all.

        Just keep holding strong Alpha Frame after you start developing feelings for her – don’t let down your guard and start getting all soft and wimpy and Beta.

        Cause if you lose Frame, then you’ll lose her.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 8:50 am theasdgamer

        “YOU: In nine months, we’re gonna have a baby?!?

        SHE: Don’t be silly.

        YOU: Oh. Bummer.”

        YOU: Oh bummer, I already invited our friends to our baby shower.

        lolollzzololz

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 7:03 pm Neo

      She cried last time u had sex. Damn. Shes 27, she could be looking for some commitment in a man now. Wants to know if youll invest energy in her problems/life. Scoring for men=sex but scoring for women=commited man. My best answer is that she is lacking drama in her life and wants to create some. I’d text her “Chat later, lunch with a friend” this will give her some drama of mystery, dread inducement drama. Cut out the pillow talk, you might be undermining your own mysteriousness. When a man is mysterious, the woman fills in the gaps with who she wants you to be inside her imagination. Less is more so give her glimpses of u only goodluck

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 10:11 pm dslap

      Simple. “no worries.” Stop trying to overgame a girl you already tagged. You should be chill from here on out. The rest of the suggestions are mildly aspergy.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 12:11 pm blow

        “Stop trying to overgame a girl you already tagged.”

        Bingo!

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 8:59 am Holden Caulfield

      In my experience, the “working through stuff” comment is usually her dealing with a boyfriend or other situation. She’s confused by lingering feelings for another guy with developing feelings for the new guy that his banging her.

      I usually just ignore such texts and plow ahead as you normally would. In other words, how would you handle the next step with her in the absence of these texts. Wait a day or two and then “drinks @ xxx…10pm”. You don’t want to become an emotional tampon for her. In a way, this is another shit test or one of the comfort variety.

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 12:16 pm Greg Eliot

      “Sorry if I was distant last night. Got stuff on my mind I’m trying to work through.”

      So what’s the cool response to this? “

      “Distant?”

      and then when she further explains herself…

      “Mind?”

      LZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZL optional

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    • on June 26, 2014 at 9:58 am Aspiring PUA

      Is she Polish? Serious question…

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  7. on June 18, 2014 at 11:41 am Waffles

    Ummm ok

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 12:20 pm CarpeOro

      “Feminist Father” means scared of taking responsibility or doesn’t give a damn. Her rules? Pregnant by 15, father nowhere to be found. Exactly how things got so screwed in society. I hear almost endless complaints about my wife’s nephew (her brother, the kids father, is in jail because he was a minor drug lord). No male mentor (I met him too late and we are in another state), has none of the gravitas or sense of responsibility a man should. 19 and has two kids by a drug addled idiot, no clue on how to raise them. If they weren’t being used for money by the mother I would have adopted them both. The cycle continues.

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  8. on June 18, 2014 at 11:46 am Arbiter

    Good piece by CH. This is rarely emphasized: the difference between game right in the beginning and game later on. There are also other differences, depending on how far you have gotten.

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  9. on June 18, 2014 at 12:05 pm chi-town

    “I bet you’re a player.”

    That just begs for

    If you’re a gold digger I hope you did not bet much.

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 8:52 am theasdgamer

      Nah, it begs for “you won’t know for sure unless you see me naked.”

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  10. on June 18, 2014 at 12:08 pm hawkwrites

    Sometimes I like to go for an A&A of my own for “I bet you’re a player” with the value shit-test. Something akin to “Oh yeah, just call me Sir Bangs-a-lot. I’m like the white Sir Mix-a-lot”

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 12:30 pm Tilikum

      i lol’d

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 12:17 pm Greg Eliot

      This just screams for some sort of anaconda reference.

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  11. on June 18, 2014 at 12:36 pm ballocaust

    good stuff by gables/CH

    quibble on comfort shit test. the ones described seem representative of early deep rapport building.
    if you stick along enough for this to be established, comfort shit tests transform from “does he care” to “how much does he care and what does that do for me”?

    at a certain point, the assuaging of concerns must be abandoned/tempered for dread game or obtuseness least ye become predictable.

    IE “why are you talking to me” comfort test response must go from “because this is/could be special” to “i don’t know but your friend is looking pretty good”

    re: the comment the other day about the guy’s wife asking if he slammed a piece 20 years ago, prior to marriage. years of all the rapport in the world and the bitch still asks about the dread game during sex.

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 8:56 am theasdgamer

      Heh, when you come, say to your wife, “Sheila, that feels so good.” (If she’s Sheila, sub some random chick’s name.) Then get ready for a wild ride. Tell her you were teasing if she doesn’t get it right away.

      Dread rape!

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  12. on June 18, 2014 at 12:56 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

    Watch the Good Looking Loser handle the “You’re a player” shit test:

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  13. on June 18, 2014 at 1:42 pm zodak

    that last paragraph is gold!

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  14. on June 18, 2014 at 2:12 pm LeCoq

    “I bet you’re a player.”

    “That’s what your mom said too. Strange.”

    This only passes her verbal test. I get that a lot and while I’ve mastered various responses, it appears that nothing changes i.e. she still thinks I’m a player. In fact, she thinks that I am experienced player who responds cleverly to such tests.

    CH – can you take this further and explain how to actually change her beliefs?

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 2:50 pm Tilikum

      you gotta learn sincerity eyes..watch russel brand.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 4:44 pm Zombie Shane

      > “explain how to actually change her beliefs?”

      Jesus Titty Fucking Christ – so that you can pump & dump and break the poor girl’s soul?

      C’mon man, don’t pump & dump the nice girls.

      Pump & dump is for the evil witch femcunt bar whores.

      Not the nice girls.

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 9:03 am theasdgamer

      Some chicks _want_ a player–the ones who f*ck like a man. You need to be able to read them well.

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  15. on June 18, 2014 at 2:18 pm Scott

    I actually got this line from a 7 one time in a uni cafeteria. After staring down at the table and giving me one word answers for a bit, she finally said, “Why are you talking to me?” Just brutal. I took it as “fuck off, you sub-7 genetic trash” and promptly walked away.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 4:54 pm Zombie Shane

      Go hard sarcastic.

      SHE: Why are you talking to me?

      YOU [with puppy dog eyes and baby goo-goo ga-ga voice]: Because you have such a charming bubbly effervescent warm kind cheerful caring giving personality!

      SHE: {begrudging chuckle and smirk}

      YOU: Actually I lied. Originally I was talking to you because you have really, really nice tits. But if you can learn to smile, then I might actually hang around until the next morning, and let you cook me some breakfast.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 7:54 am Joey

        “Because you looked like an easy lay.”

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 8:53 am Never Mind the Bulzac

        Why are you talking to me?

        The hot chicks haven’t arrived yet.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 9:41 am theasdgamer

        Her: “Why are you talking to me?” [value-test OR comfort-test]

        You: [cocky grin] “Because I’m shallow and only looking for a f*ck.”

        Her: “I can’t believe you said that!”

        You :[change to serious expression and gaze deeply into her eyes] “Or maybe you’re the only chick in here who isn’t brain-dead.”

        Her: “So what’s so interesting about me?”

        You: “Your soul and your body. You’re a woman and I’m a man. Yin and yang.”

        Several options follow:

        “I want to plumb the depths of your soul. I’m confident that our souls will merge in exquisite patterns.”

        “I want to take you outside to gaze at the stars and connect our souls.”
        Etc.

        Her: “So what about my body is so interesting?”

        You: “I might want to comment on it sometime, but not now. I have a rigid policy about that.” [You set the frame and DHV.]

        You offer to engage her sexually, emotionally, and socially with this convo. You offer her comfort and establish your value as the perceptive man who sees that she’s a speshul snowflake. Then you throw out a breadcrumb trail so that she will give you an opportunity to sexualize and instigate.

        Her: “Sometime? When would you comment on my body?”

        You: “I only tell a woman she’s beautiful when she’s in my bed.”

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 7:52 pm Lara

      “I assumed that’s how you communicated. Now I’m thinking I should have brought a dog whistle.”

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 7:55 pm Zombie Shane

        You could shorten that to, “Because I forget to bring my dog whistle?”

        But that’s some cruel, cruel shit right there.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 7:56 pm Zombie Shane

        “forget” = forgot

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  16. on June 18, 2014 at 2:33 pm Harland

    A big problem I’m having now is girls who think themselves far below my value, and cannot believe that I’m actually interested in them. Either I’m lying and just want the pussy, or if I do like them I must not be so high status after all. It’s pretty crippling because there is nothing wrong with these girls at all, it’s purely mental on their part.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 2:37 pm LeCoq

      Same here, and I wish CH posts something on this topic

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 2:51 pm Tilikum

      beta that shit to the moon.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 2:55 pm nomad

        I agree. Sounds like a lot of us are misreading comfort shit tests as value shit tests and we are going overboard on the cold aloof routine.

        Looks like some recalibration is in order.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 4:24 pm corvinus

        Right. I have been so keen on wiping out beta behavior that at least one girl seems to be referring to me as a “sociopath”.

        Me? A sociopath?? ME?!?

        The next step in my evolution, I suppose, is to drop in a bit of sympathetic niceguyism — just a bit. And absolutely nothing to make me appear weak, needy, or a creeper.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 9:07 pm Tilikum

        go hard in…..thats another boundary you can push hard after alpha.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 6:02 pm Mofo

        Yep. I have been called manipulative, unapproachable and subversive on separate occasions by different women basically just by running slight asshole game combined with DHV lifestyle. Definitely need to work on comfort. The question is how to do so and still be sincere. Asshole game is fun and is now a very real part of my personality, so it’s easy to pull off. I’m not sure I can do comfort with a straight face at this point.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 9:08 pm Tilikum

        eye contact…again..watch russell brand. his game is high T, super comfort.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 11:00 pm Harland

        Beta that shit to the moon? Unlikely…betas don’t get laid, they get cuddle-wuddle from women. Yeah I could do that…but it still won’t achieve the goal unless what I want is a sexless marriage.

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      • on June 20, 2014 at 11:58 am yak

        @Harland

        he’s saying beta that shit to the moon because it’s all about balance man. when you go too hard with alpha aloof and start pushing the girls away, you have to throw in some beta to balance things back out.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 2:57 pm Tilikum

      to wit, learn cybernetics:

      “The unit within the system with the most behavioural responses available to it controls the system.”

      This is also known as ‘the law of requisite variety’

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 8:37 pm Mr Meaner

        One thing I find to work reasonably well with girls who think you’re just a bit out of their league is to NOT run jerkboy game – BUT, adhere strictly to the “Heartiste 1/3” rule. That is, give about one third of what she gives you (texts etc).

        What will turn these types of girls off is not necessarily overly nice behaviour, but overly available behaviour. Give her a bit of niceness followed by radio silence. Works a treat.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 3:02 pm Amy

      Is it possible you are hitting below your league? Girls who are frequently hit on by high smv guys shouldn’t react that way. Maybe you can do better?

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 10:31 pm Mr Meaner

        Maybe, but I find it usually happens with bustier girls who don’t look like Kate Moss, body-wise. They usually think they are fat and that their tits are saggy (because they’re not fake) and therefore they put up ridiculous amounts of LMR.

        I’m in reasonable shape, train frequently, no body-fat, and a lot of these types of girls seem to have a hard time getting naked in front of me.

        Maybe I need to stick to the Kate Moss types.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 1:09 am Harland

        It’s girls who have been lied to by the media, and think that magazine models are pretty. They think of themselves as fat and unattractive, when they are anything but. However, telling her that she’s beautiful just results in a puzzled frown, as she has *empirical evidence* all around her in the form of ads that she’s not even remotely what men want. It doesn’t matter that she’s 22, 5’4″, and 110 pounds with a cute little face, a tight body, and a winning personality.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 11:20 am yak

        you’re flattering him Amy and it’s not constructive or helpful.

        he’s not aiming below his league. he’s hitting them with too much asshole game. any girl, even the super high value hotties are going to get suspicious and insecure with you if you don’t throw in some comfort game once in awhile. that’s the whole point of this article.

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  17. on June 18, 2014 at 3:22 pm Value Shit Tests Vs Comfort Shit Tests | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  18. on June 18, 2014 at 3:32 pm whorefinder

    Nope. According to the all-knowing kneegro Manding0 (aka thwack’s cousin and sometimes fbuddy on the down low), women don’t care about shit tests, all they care about are penis size and ability in bed—and then they fall in love with him forever.

    Get your facts straight, CHers. When a black man speaks, what he says is ALWAYS RIGHT (unless he is an anti-leftist race traitor, f those Uncle Toms)–so sayeth Our Dear Leaders.

    Logic rape!

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  19. on June 18, 2014 at 3:44 pm Steve H

    If attraction has been established and you choose to answer it directly:

    Her: “I bet you’re a player.”
    You: “Players lie. I’d rather just tell the truth.”
    Her: “So what’s the truth about why you’ve been talking to me.”
    You: “I like that you’re (whatever). But anything could happen. I’d say that’s the beauty of life.”
    Her: “Wait, do you really like me or are you just trying to get in my pants blah blah blah.”
    You: “Yeah we’ll see what happens, I like that you’re (whatever) but I don’t really know you yet. Why, do you fall for guys really fast? Wait…are you a virgin or something?”

    You can often be honest and direct in a way that puts her on the defensive.

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  20. on June 18, 2014 at 4:19 pm Troubadour

    The topic of “fuck meat” came up in the ongoing conversation I’ve been having with crazy chick. After as many months and as much emotional stuff as we have out there, I took it as a comfort shit test, and showed that I care. I ended up in limbo again.

    I’ve been driving myself nuts wondering if I should have just gone for fuck meat after all. That’s the problem with caring: you lose outcome-independence, and become too invested in picking one particular girl’s locks. You play what if. If I had all the options I’m supposed to have, I wouldn’t care, and I would just move on immediately.

    What is “the point of failure” anyway? What is “rejection” anyway? This whole experience has left both of those questions very muddy. Having been rejected every other time, I just automatically assume rejection, instead of assuming the sale, but I still haven’t really had a hard rejection yet, for whatever reason.

    Where we left off was I said, “This is the friend zone. I accept it. You are not on the table.” But is that true?

    I feel like the only way to resolve the question once and for all is to back up and punt one last time, and put everything into trying to get in her panties, like I should have been doing all along.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 7:46 pm Zombie Shane

      > “ongoing conversation… many months”

      Dude!

      How about let’s shorten that to “many MINUTES”?

      M’kay?

      Move in for the kill. Fast. Before you get friend-zoned.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 9:23 pm having a bad day

      @Troubadour

      “Where we left off was I said, “This is the friend zone. I accept it. You are not on the table.” But is that true?”

      not if you were kissing her when you said it…lol…and you should have been…

      also”…not on the table…yet…” lol…

      dude, have you even touched her? if you REALLY want to get home with this girl, you need to escalate kino…and if she’s still around, she’s probably waiting for you to figure things out…lol…

      make up your mind about getting home…if no, then stop torturing yourself and move on…if yes, make a plan and work the plan…

      assuming you want to…the next time you are talking to her alone, just take her hand and hold it while you talk…don’t ask permission…if she ‘says’ something agree and keep holding…she’ll physically pull away if she’s not into it…keep talking and move in close and put your arms around her while still just talking (even/especially about how you are in the friend zone…lol)…again, if she doesn’t physically pull away just keep holding her…then stop talking, stare at her for a minute with a smirk (bc if you get this far it should be game on…lol)…(watch her pupils dilate) then kiss her…

      I think you can figure out the rest…lol…remember…watch what girls DO, not what they SAY…if you follow their words = beta (self-selecting away from sex)…

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 9:27 pm having a bad day

        @Troubadour

        forgot to add…if she’s not into it and pulls away at any time, just leave…no explanation/excuse…just get up and leave…

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 10:47 am Reco

        @troubadour I cannot agree more with HABD on this. I am far from the expert level that some of the brothers are on this site but I can tell you there are many times I do not have something clever to say. But I am still escalating. I start touching them within 30 seconds of being next to them. And I keep escalating the touch. And I when I touch them I look directly into their eyes and smile.

        While I am doing this I am thinking in My mind how much I want them not trying to hid this it but to project it. I wear my sexual interest on my sleeve. there is no doubt in their mind what i want. I can literally see the interest light up in their eyes that twinkle that CH talks about. It is visible. Women are like an antennae you initiate and she will pick it up she will react. Good or bad there will be a reaction. If it is bad back off a little and try again. Or move on. But don’t wait just fucking do it. I am always surprised at how far and fast I get there. And I don’t always get them but I never get put in the friend zone.

        And if it does not work I can move on quickly not wasting my time in limbo.

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      • on June 20, 2014 at 9:23 am Troubadour

        I’ve been at this for months, but I haven’t been behind the pole the entire time.

        I haven’t fought a fish this feisty before, and every time she resisted, I just took it for a rejection and vanished on her.

        I’m figuring out the difference between a fish that wants to be caught and a fish that wants to get away. She could have gotten away many times over while I was sleeping, so she doesn’t want to get away.

        Now that I know that, I’m putting everything into reeling her in.

        I think it’s working.

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  21. on June 18, 2014 at 4:21 pm Just Saying

    “Why are you talking to me?”

    Answer: “Huh? What? Hold on a minute, I’ve got a crazy bitch here chatting me up. Do you always accost men? Yeah, I’m back… Bitches be crazy.” Said as you walk off…

    Most of the time I have a blue-tooth headset on my ear if I’m not performing. Makes it so that women can interpret if you’re talking to them or not… 🙂

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 6:00 pm Trimegistus

      “Because I have low standards.” And then ignore her.

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  22. on June 18, 2014 at 4:57 pm thelatentsadist

    yeah i struggled with this one last summer with a particularly cute 19 yr old girl. My aloof game was air tight and we hooked up 4 times within the month, but i soon started getting what i know realize were comfort shit tests.

    In my paranoia I kept up the aloof act,. but could tell i was fucking things up. I didnt switch gears into giving her some signs that i liked her more than just a fuck toy. I assume dthat the moment i would, that she would bail….in hindsight i could have handled a few text exchanges better, when she was feeling me out for some kind of warmth. Its a good position to be in with a girl, if you enjoy her company….i dug this girl, but ultimately she stopped taking my calls, and then i went way overboard beta trying to show her i actually cared once she started drifting. Which really sealed things. Its hard to know sometimes but in the future im going to be watching out for these signs and react accordingly.

    she was dodging my attempts at our usual night of hooking up once a week and eventually i pressed her if she was coming by. She said something like “I dont wanna have sex”. And then i sorta flubbed it, acted distant and aloof and she became way less responsive after that. All i needed to do was just say “Its cool, lets just watch a movie” and everything would have been chill and we probably would have hooked up anyway.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 5:09 pm immoralgables

      Sometimes you win and sometimes you learn.

      I remember reading that last summer and gaining from it

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 7:48 pm Zombie Shane

        Jesus H Christ, some of you guys really do NOT enjoy a woman’s presence in your life, do you?

        Don’t you guys ever have FUN when you go out with your bitchez?

        Or is all this PUA shit just like going to work, only at night?

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 7:55 pm gunslingergregi

        holy shit zombie nailed the thread

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 12:21 pm Greg Eliot

        Or is all this PUA shit just like going to work, only at night?

        Heh, heh… good way of putting it… I’ve long had that impression myself, reading some of these sorry field reports.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 6:21 pm Anonymous

      Watching a movie outside of a theater is just code for “no you’re not a slut… right now”

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 9:04 am Holden Caulfield

        @Zombie
        “Jesus H Christ, some of you guys really do NOT enjoy a woman’s presence in your life, do you?

        Don’t you guys ever have FUN when you go out with your bitchez?

        Or is all this PUA shit just like going to work, only at night?”

        Actually some of the best players enjoy the presence of women too much, which is why we get so good at dealing with them. Keeping one woman around can be fun in a different way, but also gets boring. The chase is fun.
        Get out more, have some fun, and you’ll start to understand.

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  23. on June 18, 2014 at 5:12 pm eofahapi.

    This is exactly correct. Actually so correct that is quite discomforting for a man to have this so much insight into female mind. 🙂 .

    Value sh*t tests are more common in some women than others, as you said. It is usually women with high self esteem.

    Women who perceive themselves to be less beautiful, will give much less value sh*t tests, and for more comfort. They need the reassurance that comes with comfort tests. Serious women who want to marry are also likely to give more comfort tests, they are asking in a manipulative, beat around bush way for reassurance.

    A comfort test answered with reply of value test, pushes a good woman away,

    Some comfort tests women give are as follows, “Do you love me?”, “Do you think she is beautiful?”, there more but I have to think.

    A comfort test is an affirmation. It usually is a question which wants the woman to build up her self esteem or assurance of you; Earlier on, in value tests they will be less specific. Value tests are about a man’s worth, comfort tests are about making sure of her worth.

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  24. on June 18, 2014 at 5:19 pm Anonymous

    Fuuuuuck, I didn’t even know this was a thing but looking back it makes a lot of sense. One more variable…

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  25. on June 18, 2014 at 5:24 pm DeNihilist

    Then there are the shit shit tests. When in the morning she beats you to the can and drops a bomb. If you like her, you gotta walk in there and believe you’re smelling roses. If its a P&D, beat her to it!

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 7:59 am coolhandle

      Ha. I always keep a can of air freshener on top of the toilet lid, and if she doesn’t use it after dropping a deuce, I hand her the can and train her in its use, in thumbsucking detail. “Okay. You start up high, press the button for about one second, then bring it down low near the bowl, give it another one-second blast.” Bitches sometimes need training.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 12:23 pm Greg Eliot

        AIr freshener?

        You kids nowadays are soft.

        (((shakin’ mah haid)))

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 11:41 am plowman

      “When in the morning she beats you to the can and drops a bomb.”

      how any woman gets put on a pedestal is beyond me.

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  26. on June 18, 2014 at 6:00 pm Trimegistus

    Athol Kay (“Married Man Sex Life” blog) has built a small empire on this insight — the need to mix Alpha and Beta in a long-term relationship.

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  27. on June 18, 2014 at 6:29 pm The Undiscovered Jew

    Sperm count and quality have been falling for generations.

    Whether sperm counts are impacted by environment or selection pressure is difficult to determine. Stress, illness, frequency of physical activity, financial difficulty can all knock T levels below (or above) average. A way to tell how much of the sperm count decline is environmental vs genetic would be to compare genetically similar populations that have different lifestyle habits. E.g. how often Dutch workout compared to Belgians and if there’s a statistically significant difference between their sperm counts .

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  28. on June 18, 2014 at 6:35 pm H. TROLL

    Women are very confused when they want a boring beta but are subconsciously seeking alpha. I theorize that in this situation the female mind will reconcile this duality by projecting upon you desired alpha traits “you are so abusive”, “you don’t love me,” and then seeking beta verification.

    I dont buy your claims that these can be distinguished with any accuracy. Instead the only accurate way of knowing what to do is ovulation cycle: hard alpha when ovulating

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  29. on June 18, 2014 at 7:30 pm Libertardian

    Liberals: You’re entitled to your opinion, as long as it’s correct. Otherwise, you must be re-educated with Goebbelsian Big Lies.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/17/hillary-talks-guns-in-cnn-town-hall-says-minority-terrorizes-majority-video/

    ‘“We cannot let a minority of people – and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people – hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people,” said Clinton.

    …

    The former secretary of state and likely 2016 presidential candidate also made imprecise references to “automatic” weapons.

    “I don’t think any parent, any person should have to fear about their child going to school or going to college because someone…could possibly enter that school property with an automatic weapon and murder innocent children, students, teachers,” she said.

    “We’re going to have to do a better job protecting the vast majority of our citizens, including our children, from that very, very, very small group that is unfortunately prone to violence and now with automatic weapons can wreak so much more violence than they ever could have before.”

    Automatic weapons are tightly regulated in the United States and were not used in the Sandy Hook shooting.’

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 7:52 pm Zombie Shane

      We need a nice high-quality 1920×1080 60fps 48Khz-stereo video of Huma Abedin fisting Hitlery’s big hairy gray anus.

      And Hitlery making pig sounds while Huma’s doing it.

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 7:53 pm Zombie Shane

        You know, somebody could probably do that in high-quality anime.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 9:36 pm OlayDave

      Automatic weapons are tightly regulated in the United States and were not used in the Sandy Hook shooting.’

      LOL! NO weapons were used in the Sandy Hook shooting, since there was no Sandy Hook shooting…

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 12:26 pm Greg Eliot

      you must be re-educated with Goebbelsian Big Lies.

      Physician, heal thyself!

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  30. on June 18, 2014 at 7:53 pm gunslingergregi

    this thread owns keep it up I think it is getting somewhere
    but where who knows

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  31. on June 18, 2014 at 8:19 pm Modern Primitive

    Off topic, shrill aussie feminist Clementine Ford gets hysterical over International Conference on Men’s Issues to be held in Detroit.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-19/ford-a-lesson-for-mens-rights-activists-on-real-oppression/5533412

    For those unaware the ABC is our state sponsored media outlet and has a progressive/leftist bent but occasionally lets a centre-right or conservative post an article so that they can claim they’re being balanced as per their legal mandate.

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 10:25 pm Libertardian

      http://www.listal.com/viewimage/6295806h

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 10:32 pm Libertardian

        Meanwhile, back in the Evil Patriarchal Empire…

        http://gawker.com/mom-accused-of-slowly-poisoning-her-son-to-death-to-spi-1592802472

        “Mom Accused of Slowly Poisoning Her Son to Death to Spice Up Her Blog

        A mother who blogged about her 5-year-old son’s chronic illness is accused of murdering the child with a fatal dose of sodium, delivered while he was in the hospital.

        Lacey Spears, 26, originally from Decatur, Ala., but currently living in Chestnut Ridge, N.Y., was charged Tuesday with depraved murder and manslaughter. Police say her alleged poisoning of her son, Garnett-Paul Spears, was a ploy for attention.”

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 12:27 pm Greg Eliot

        And here folks thought that was just hyperbole for effect in The Sixth Sense… go figger.

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  32. on June 18, 2014 at 8:31 pm Lucaen

    again i say, don’t listen to her words. read her emotions. if we compare communication with women to a car, her emotions would be the engine, her body language/tone of voice the steering wheel, and her words the tires on the road. if you read her emotions, you don’t need to memorize the correct responses to “comfort” shit tests vs. “value” shit tests, because you’re reading and reacting to things at the source.

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  33. on June 18, 2014 at 9:18 pm AlphaBeta

    The Distance Between Mars and Venus: Measuring Global Sex Differences in Personality

    Methodology/Principal Findings

    Personality measures were obtained from a large US sample (N = 10,261) with the 16PF Questionnaire. Multigroup latent variable modeling was used to estimate sex differences on individual personality dimensions, which were then aggregated to yield a multivariate effect size (Mahalanobis D). We found a global effect size D = 2.71, corresponding to an overlap of only 10% between the male and female distributions. Even excluding the factor showing the largest univariate ES, the global effect size was D = 1.71 (24% overlap). These are extremely large differences by psychological standards.

    Significance

    The idea that there are only minor differences between the personality profiles of males and females should be rejected as based on inadequate methodology.

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  34. on June 18, 2014 at 9:19 pm Will

    But does any of this apply to relationship game? Or after you’ve fucked a girl?

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 9:29 pm Will

      It literally doesn’t make sense. If you fuck a girl shhhhheeee should be the one coming back to you (biologically)….

      But yeah I always worry that if you do show the soft comfort side, the girl will just flip you to beta in her mind…

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      • on June 18, 2014 at 11:29 pm gunslingergregi

        yea had another bitch suck my dick last night in front of her she wakes up today bakes cookies
        push pull lol
        although licked the clit about two hours too while she sucked my dick too
        so yea there is that as well

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 9:06 am Never Mind the Bulzac

        Cookies & Clit. gregi your living the dream.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 3:49 pm gunslingergregi

        if I can get my wife and her together yea I think I will be living the dream for real when they competing to outdo each other

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 3:55 pm gunslingergregi

        although today it is
        do you want the t-bones the Delmonico or new York strip
        chillin last couple days new budget week starts tomorow

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  35. on June 18, 2014 at 9:25 pm gunslingergregi

    relationship game my girl comes over to cuddle up with me on couch
    I tell her
    thank god for the dude who made short shorts
    she tells me she loves me

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 9:33 pm gunslingergregi

      yea she likes me for my brain forgot to tell you guys that lolzlozlozlzozlozlzolzolzolz
      if I use a big word she wants me to define it if I use a concept she wants it explained but yea

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    • on June 18, 2014 at 9:37 pm gunslingergregi

      I pick her brain about thug life and criminality in same way I guess I like her for her brain too he he he

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  36. on June 18, 2014 at 10:32 pm ACG1

    Anyone else have a weird hangup about using “your mom” lines on a stranger, given that her mom could have just died of cancer for all you know…

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  37. on June 18, 2014 at 10:38 pm gunslingergregi

    lol guess not picking he up enough so my chick so far today heated some leftovers from last night for me to munch on
    and is like don’t come in kitchen I got a surprise for you
    then little later baby I need you
    I go in she standing on countertop
    jumps into my arms
    he he he
    says close your eyes come in feeds me some oatmeal cookies she knows I like
    aww she made me cookies

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  38. on June 19, 2014 at 12:44 am gunslingergregi

    wtf i’m watching stepford wives
    the dude in movie says while you woman were trying to become men we were busy becoming God’s
    ownage pretty good movie
    my chick was watching a bit yesterday now I know why
    I was like I got me a stepford babykin don’t I
    she like yea
    i”m like well I want more than that I want the perfect woman and the bitch making money
    see the movie acts like god man is still a working man
    fuck that noise a God man is a man who a bitch does it all for
    you ever see God do shit fuck no
    allhough so many things on this world attributed to him be that guy

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 2:05 am gunslingergregi

      its man movie day I guess or I guess I thought these were chick flicks and never did see em
      watching swept away and this dude and Madonna stranded on deserted island and he got her calling him master after he told her too and he slapping shit out of her after she slapped him first
      had to tell my chick to come over and suck my dick and face fucked her after watching some of it lol
      when she moved over to the bed and was teasing me
      i’m like I didn’t tell you to call me master did I
      she like nope I came up with that on my own
      he he he
      but yea the dynamic is he is the only one that can fish and she needs food to survive
      therefore he gets to then call have her do things to get the food
      I told my babykins you would of just got fish for you and your gregi gregi wouldn’t you
      she yes sir
      she always catches more fish than me lol bitch he he he

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 2:12 am gunslingergregi

        oh shit he act like he gonna rape her then stops and gets her to say to fuck her then he says no i will get you to be my love slave i wil get under your skin until you are begging to fuck
        I will not fuck you now i will be your god one day

        wtf

        holy shit she kissing his feet in movie
        i told my girl she kissing his feet now wtf they do write down our life story

        im getting freaked out lol

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 2:21 am gunslingergregi

        swept away has been approved for being able to get your bitch ready to fuck
        joking with my bitch her putty is like aimed at me she laying head away from me one leg straight out and one leg up towards her chest
        if putty was a eye it would be staring me down he he he

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 2:27 am gunslingergregi

        aww Madonna said she loved him first in movie
        and now she bringing him food
        omfg
        watch this shit

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 5:34 am gunslingergregi

        although the slap from woman only in movies no bitch has ever slapped me

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  39. on June 19, 2014 at 1:07 am Will

    Quick question (and this may be over analysis but I think it’s valid with game):

    If a girl ‘A’ senses ‘preselection’ from another girl ‘B’ for you and that ‘preselection ‘ turns into girl B actually being a friend zone with you…..what happens?

    Does this make girl A less attracted to you? Or will she see it as “maybe he’s seeing other girls too because he can actually interact with girls–why wouldn’t he be hitting me up there must be another girl I wasn’t thinking or know about”

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 5:15 am gunslingergregi

      if you havn’t fucked or had relationship with either?

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 9:09 am Holden Caulfield

      You’re over thinking all this. Having attractive female friends is pre-selection and shows a new girl that you’re not a creeper. If other women want to hang around with you *for whatever reason*, you have qualities new women will be curious about.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 2:42 pm CarpeOro

        Agreed. Women are horrible at communication and often paranoid about other women and whether what they say vis-a-vis a guy they hang out with. Remember – while women will tell you men and women can just be friends, they know the truth also. That men and women are seldom just friends. Hang with hot women even as friends and you will get some hamsters spinning.

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  40. on June 19, 2014 at 6:37 am 55 degrees

    Got a good shit test here. Saw it with my own eyes.

    A little background: I run a convenience store located on a small barrier island off the SW coast of Florida. We’re a touristy area, and my store is surrounded by 5 different places (bars, nightclubs, and pizzeria/bars) that serve alcohol till 2 AM. I work overnights, and 95% of my clientele is intoxicated to varying degrees.

    Middle-aged couple walk in.
    Woman is post-wall, probably about 38, and the body is nice, but the face is not. Too much sun exposure(a hazard here in Florida), caused the excess of wrinkles around the eyes, and mouth.
    Man is about the same age. He’s doughy, with a nice sized gut, and male-pattern baldness.

    He asks her what she wants. She says she’s hungry, but can’t decide. She harasses my employee about the content of our hot dogs(non-pork eater I guess)and I reassure her that our hot dogs have no pork. After MUCH useless discussion about hot dogs(multiple questions, annoyances, and generalized woman flakiness), she tells my employee what she wants and my employee obliges.

    At this time two young women walk in. Both are absolute 5’s. One of them was holding the other one up and helping her to walk(I see this every day, so I’ve lost ALL concern about their predicament). The man is still standing by the grill as they walk toward the grill to select what THEY want to eat. The post-wall woman is grabbing condiments for their dogs, and walks back to the counter. The drunk chicks were talking to the beta dude, but he wasn’t interested in what they had to say, as I watched as he just nodded and said “yes” a few times.

    The post-wall wonder is at the counter, I am at the counter ringing her up. She’s NOW staring at her man and the look in her eye is absolute death from above. The beta dude turns away from the young chicks and by now she’s screaming at him(she uttered the word “fuck” approximately 10 times).
    Here’s the kicker: She ORDERED him(in a loud voice) to “open the car, NOW”!
    And she stormed out.

    Sadly, this dude wasn’t even mad. I told him, he should’ve let her stand outside the locked car, while waiting for him to exit the store.
    He just smiled, but the look in his eyes told me this: “Kill me”.

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 7:11 am gunslingergregi

      what happened was he cheated on her 15 years before and she been punishing him the rest of his life for it and he lets her
      don’t cheat on a bitch tell her you gonna fuck or whatever another bitch before it happens and let her decide what she gonna do
      but yea or just never let a woman get away with verbal but especially physical anything only ever go downhill from there
      why bitches can really get a beta to endure some hell cause he so scared of losing job losing kids whatever
      better keep your personal respect for yourself
      but hey with so many people I guess bound to be diferent personalities some guys might enjoy a bitch screaming at em
      no dude ever left a chick I know for her screaming at him or treating him like a dog
      she left them but the dudes never left
      always there to endure more
      it is kind of a phenomenon maybe it is like getting fat you let one punk slide cause you know no big deal she had a bad day
      then it gets slightly worse
      then more and more and more then you living in a nightmare you can’t get out of till someone gets killed or you have no soul left
      lot of weak dudes in this world though

      its like with dudes abusing a bitch there is usually a reason
      with chicks it is like there doesn’t seem to be one of the same scale
      although maybe the more I live life maybe i’ll figure it out
      although I definetly see the you cheated 50 years ago dynamic at play and woman take that to mean they can abuse that dude rest of life
      don’t ever give a bitch that kind of power then stay with her

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 7:23 am gunslingergregi

        I have had my bitches go a bit apeshit bout some other chicks but it wasen’t directed at me it was directed at the other chicks
        like my wife wanted my to chase down these bitches on a motor scooter to spit on them and shit when they showed some indicators of interest
        my girl now wanted me to turn around so she could fight some chick waking down the street staring at me and shit
        another girlfriend in club wanted to fight some bitches
        but yea they didn’t get mad at me lol
        well maybe a little that I wouldn’t let them fight he he he
        girl now chased that preggers blond chick before out the house and off the porch lol
        she do like marking territory on me I guess
        now that is kind of cute he he he

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 8:00 am 55 degrees

        You’re right about the dudes never leaving because a woman’s screaming at him.
        Also about telling your woman you want to stray.

        One of my friends took a day off(got locked up) because his woman went after him with a knife, and he restrained her wrists. He’s dumb. Got involved with a woman 12 years older than him(“I like older women”) with two kids(the oldest is 14, and he’s 24), and he had a kid with her too.

        I based it on the woman’s lack of self-respect. If she knew that her dude cared about her, she could’ve taken him home and made comments about the younger chicks, without making him look like an asshole.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 12:43 pm nomad

        “I based it on the woman’s lack of self-respect…she could’ve taken him home and made comments about the younger chicks, without making him look like an asshole.”

        exactly right. it’s all about respect. public shaming or ridicule is a sure sign that your woman doesn’t respect you and/or she’s a bitch whose not worth your time. this kind of thing should not be tolerated…EVER.

        the sad thing is, this guy thinks tolerating this behavior is the solution but he’s really just increasing her disrespect for him when he does that. he doesn’t even realize he could improve the situation by either not putting up with it or dumping her sorry ass.

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  41. on June 19, 2014 at 7:51 am Edward Waverley

    Paging the “Chicks Dig Jerks” brigade. John Derbyshire commenting on research into the question of Personality and National Character, says that there is a strong inverse correlation between high psychosis and low anxiety. IOW, psychos have excellent state/frame control. Good combo. This is from an article on the psychometrician Richard Lynn. I’ll link separately to keep the comment from getting eaten.

    “The Irish, [Lynn] noticed, had high levels of psychosis, and correspondingly low levels of anxiety. (The two things are inversely correlated.)”

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 7:51 am Edward Waverley

      http://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/richard-lynn-at-80-the-festschrift/

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 8:34 am Zombie Shane

        unz.com?!?

        OMG, are you telling me that the Derb also sold out for the Frankfurt School shekels?

        I was wondering why he would mention the Irish in this context instead of the Jews.

        Oh fuck me this is depressing.

        Does no one have honor or integrity anymore?

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 8:54 am Edward Waverley

        FYI, Unz Review is also the new host for Steve Sailer’s blog. If you like Sailer, you’re gonna be browsing Unz. I am actually impressed by the Unz website. It is now the best (only?) place to read the heroic race-realist warrior Sam Francis (hardly a friend of the YKW), plus Unz is now posting all of Derb’s content from VDARE and back-posting his older stuff, the entire Sailer archive, and many other Dark Enlightenment standbys.

        Unz is where you go once Rich Lowry purges you out of Neocon land. He’s posts up Buchanan too. So I think Unz’ cred as a resister of cultural Marxism is pretty much top-flight.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 9:26 am CH

        yes Unz is earning a measure of my respect. we’ll see how he reacts when the first howls of the witch hunters reach his front door.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 9:41 am jack

        Hey if its good enough for Sailer I like it. Although the site design is ugly but I guess thats a matter of taste.

        Zombie I’m down with the JQ and I don’t see any foul play… why would the jews be cited in the context of LOW anxiety? They’re some of the most status-anxious, restless people around.

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 3:19 pm corvinus

      “The Irish, [Lynn] noticed, had high levels of psychosis, and correspondingly low levels of anxiety. (The two things are inversely correlated.)”

      Here are Excel documents detailing who gets permanent residence in the USA and how.

      http://www.dhs.gov/profiles-legal-permanent-residents-2012-country

      If you look at Ireland, you’ll find that men outnumber women by a significant margin. (When you look at typical poosy paradises such as the Philippines, Colombia, or Russia, women outnumber men.)

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 6:13 pm no

      Good shit . Yeah same with narcissists.

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  42. on June 19, 2014 at 9:00 am Tam the Bam

    “I bet you’re a player!”
    “Dabbler at best. Going off a handicap of eleven and I still haul it to the left.”

    OFC the very mention of the word “golf” can send some women shrieking out into the night. Daddy issues most likely. Be aware.

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  43. on June 19, 2014 at 10:31 am Edward Waverley

    99 hamsters.
    https://imgur.com/gallery/32z4kzX

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  44. on June 19, 2014 at 11:09 am Kant

    Best post on CH in a while. We’ve all made the mistake before to answer comfort shit tests as if they were value shit tests. I personally use a lower key answer to this particular shit test, which fits my personality better (high value aloof, rather than charming asshole)

    Early on:
    Q: I bet you’re a player
    A: (poker face) Do I look like a player.

    Later on:
    Q: I bet you’re a player
    A: No, players are manipulative, I’m straight up with girls about what I want.

    The basic idea is if you get a question from a girl, early on your answers should be challenging, later on they should be honest.

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 3:39 pm Joey

      I’m not a player. I just crush a lot.

      Even the censored version of Big Punisher’s lyric is a good answer.

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  45. on June 19, 2014 at 12:04 pm Culum Struan

    Only peripherally related to this post, but interesting article for YaReally et al about the famous fashion photographer Terry Richardson – basically this is a profile about the guy and the recent scandal about him.

    http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/06/terry-richardson-interview.html

    This is a fashion photographer who basically specialized in getting models who came for shoots to first pose nude and then convinced them to give him blowjobs or fuck him, all on camera (which he then published). Usually in the presence of a number of assistants egging them on and clicking them away, some of them female.

    Unsurprisingly, some of the women have now gone public talking about how (although they consented) they felt coerced by the power imbalance and the influence he had on their careers etc.

    I have no doubt that some of the women are telling the truth and genuinely left (or did stuff they really didn’t want to do) because of that pressure. But reading between the lines of the article (about the social pressure he created, how he created an atmosphere where being naked and sexual was fun and free and cool etc and in a dominant way plus he was massively socially proofed) suggests to me that in many of the cases the women went along with it perfectly willingly in the heat of the moment but had *massive* Buyer’s Remorse later (esp when they realized that the picture of him actually coming on their face was going to be published in a photography book and they had actually signed the model release allowing that) and are now looking to justify it..

    Thoughts?

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 2:43 pm YaReally

      “But reading between the lines of the article (about the social pressure he created, how he created an atmosphere where being naked and sexual was fun and free and cool etc and in a dominant way plus he was massively socially proofed) suggests to me that in many of the cases the women went along with it perfectly willingly in the heat of the moment but had *massive* Buyer’s Remorse later (esp when they realized that the picture of him actually coming on their face was going to be published in a photography book and they had actually signed the model release allowing that) and are now looking to justify it..”

      Dead on.

      That dude is a prime example of why you want to learn to manage Buyer’s Remorse. He’s rich and connected enough to not have to care about it, but for the average dude, the difference between a rape accusation and “omg that was the hottest sex of my life” is basically “did he make me feel special or used afterward”.

      I think the interesting part of this is watching society take all responsibility off the women involved. None of them wanted to do it in the moment, they were all innocent victims. I don’t know how his cock got in my mouth and when I sucked him off for 5 min and let them take pics of me with jizz on my face I don’t know how any of that happened! One chick was like, they showed her photos of herself with multiple haircuts meaning she consensually went back to him a few times for more photo sessions and she’s like “uhh I don’t know how to explain that, I don’t remember that at all, umm I think that just goes to show that I was even MORE traumatized than I realize!!!”

      Lol ok there lady.

      The end goal of feminism is to create a society where women aren’t held responsible or accountable for their actions, everything negative can be blamed on men, and men are relegated to working in sewers and construction to keep their air conditioned office HR/CEO jobs functioning while they bone the top 5% of men as the 80-20 beta/alpha gap widens to 95/5 as they beat men down and remove all their male role models and male influences (fathers, teachers, etc.).

      Anyway, learn to avoid Buyer’s Remorse. Do some cuddling, ask about her life, get to know her a bit, make her feel like a special flower, tell her to txt you when she gets home, txt her the next day and joke around (and talk about last night so you have txt confessions that she enjoyed the night before incase you need some evidence) and if you don’t want to see her again do a slow fade-away instead of an abrupt “ok time for you to go” toss-out after you blow your load.

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      • on June 19, 2014 at 11:17 pm The awakened one

        Just wanted to give yareally props on his archive. In a city I just moved into where I know very few people I numbered closed two girls (HB7 and HB5) at a formal event where I didn’t know anyone. I was wearing a tshirt, shorts, backpack and umbrella at an event where almost everyone was suited up or at least in a dress shirt and tie. I spent $0 at this event. Looks and money don’t matter

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      • on June 20, 2014 at 4:13 am Culum Struan

        Yup. This guy is lucky not just because he’s rich and connected but also because in the context of a fashion photo shoot, everything he did was in front of half a dozen assistants with a signed model release form. So it will be impossible to pin any criminal charges on him (mind you, I do believe that some of the women genuinely felt coerced and uncomfortable – it’s just got to be true statistically in a 20 year photography career). But that model with the changing haircuts is ridiculous.

        The rest of us who fuck women in private without consent forms can be nailed badly for doing similar stuff.

        For everyone’s edification – this is an excerpt from haircut girl’s response to the NY Mag article:

        http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/17/terry-richardson-new-york-magazine-model

        “The other day, I woke up to find several sexually explicit photos of myself in my inbox. Some of them showed me doing things I’d already written about in the widely quoted account of my encounter with photographer Terry Richardson at age 19. Others showed me doing things of which I had – and have – no memory at all. My body language is stiff, but a close reading of my face reveals nothing, even to me. The lights are on, but no one’s home.

        I have two different haircuts.

        “Please let me know if it is indeed you, and if so, whether you think it’s two occasions and you forgot, or what,” New York Magazine reporter Benjamin Wallace wrote in the email.

        This was not entirely unexpected. A little while before that, I came across a photo of Richardson reaching out to grab my breast. It jogged a vague memory of “Uncle Terry” groping me without asking – something I was always terrified would happen when I was modeling for Guys With Cameras – but which I didn’t precisely recall happening in the shoot I wrote about. It made me wonder what else I wasn’t remembering.

        It was not a very good feeling to have, least of all when I’d already spoken at length about my experience in the belief that I was telling the absolute truth. I worried what conclusions Wallace would draw for his readers. My conclusions would, I figured, be somewhat different: trauma – particularly sexual trauma – affects memory, often in ways that allow predators to traumatize their victims while simultaneously rendering them unreliable witnesses to their own lives.”

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      • on June 20, 2014 at 8:52 am Hunter

        @The awakened one And to Lumpy for compiling the archive!

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      • on June 20, 2014 at 5:26 pm The awakened one

        Yeah and thanks Lumpy as well for making the archive

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    • on June 20, 2014 at 9:20 am Amy

      “I have no doubt that some of the women are telling the truth and genuinely left (or did stuff they really didn’t want to do) because of that pressure.”

      No doubt. Some were young models trying to get ahead and didn’t want to make waves, and I’m sure he knew that and used it to his advantage. But these girls (assuming they were adults) still have to own their decisions. I think this guy is a major creep, but he’s not a sexual predator.

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  46. on June 19, 2014 at 2:45 pm Bluepillprofessor

    Athol Kay writes extensively about mixing

    Alpha (dominant, strong, tingle inducing) and

    Beta (comfort, kind, warm fuzzie inducing).

    Distinguishing Value Shit Tests and Comfort Shit Tests is important.

    The devil is how do you tell which kind she is fishing for? SHE doesn’t even know it is a Shit Test, much less what kind of Shit Test. Early vs. Late in the evening as suggested by OP is not much to go on in a relationship. In the watch what she does not what she says category, it seems you could start out aloof and offer a bone if her body closes? Push-pull only works if your alternating both.

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    • on June 19, 2014 at 4:08 pm gunslingergregi

      if in doubt fuck her

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      • on June 20, 2014 at 12:29 am nomad

        Wish I’d said that. That’s good advice.

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  47. on June 20, 2014 at 2:26 am Value Shit Tests Vs Comfort Shit Tests | Truth ...

    […] Your romantic fortunes (or misfortunes) will make much more sense, and become less a product of chance, once you understand that women are burdened with a split personality, each one desiring a different sort of man.  […]

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  48. on June 20, 2014 at 10:35 am walawala

    A girl I went out with banged then drifted apart from because she wanted some sort of serious commitment writes all the time looking to meet up but probably more likely just for attention.

    The other day she asked about meeting up.

    I sent her a photo from erotic-image.tumblr.com of a girl blowing a guy.

    Her:” Still sensual without love?

    Me: (two days later) Duh

    Her: Let’s meet up this week.

    Here’s the thing…when I totally dont’ give a shit—I can talk like this and get this type of response.

    When I’m more circumspect and a bit more controlled, I am not nearly this bold.

    On the other hand, since I banged this chick…saying this stuff is ok.

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  49. on June 24, 2014 at 11:00 pm Lightning Round – 2014/06/25 | Free Northerner

    […] 10 FBI techniques for building quick rapport. Related: Three phrases to become charismatic. Related: Value vs. comfort shit tests. […]

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