This deceptively innocuous female query deserves its own post, because it’s something you’ll hear more than once if you a) have any sort of charming vibe or b) you live in an area where the cock carousel, and hence the broken pussies, ride high.
You want to know how to respond to this super shit test from a girl. First, judge the context and the delivery. Did you just meet her? Is she in a flirty mood? Is she a sassy girl who loves to “get one over” men?
Or, is she genuinely curious about you? Is she comfortable sitting down with you to talk, away from supervision? Do the number of hair tosses and the shine in her eyes betray a surging interest for more intimacy?
If the former (she wants reassurance you are socially skilled around women and have a plethora of mate options), there are many ways to defuse the “Are you a player?” shit test. You can’t go wrong with a rudimentary “agree & amplify”.
“Are you a player?”
“The truth comes out. Did you know you’re number 100 today? Congratulations! Let’s go find you that door prize.”
If the latter (she wants to be assuaged you aren’t going to fuck and fly), humility (feigned, if necessary) is the order of the day.
“Are you a player?”
“If holding out for the right girl makes me a player, then I guess I am. But I don’t really feel like one.”
On this subject, a reader asks,
I met this girl on eH, solid 8.5 and on the first date she put this on me:
her: are you a player?
me: define player
her: date a lot of women
me: define a lother: more than 6 a month
me: it depends if the month has 31 days or not
her: clever answerHowever, nothing changed – I can tell in her eyes she though I was a “player”. Also by the actions – at the end, we had a good make out, but she refused to come to my place:
me: you should come to my place
her: lol, that would be too early, what would you think about me if I came to your place on our first date
me: I don’t judge people; if a woman is ready then she’s ready.Later the night I got the “you’re a great guy, but…” text, to which I replied with “lol” and deleted her number.
I’ve been following CH for 3 years now, and again, CH sirs, I ask, how do you actually pass the test for real, and not just for that moment?
Thanks and keep up the good word.
Since this was a first date (and not a first meet), she probably asked the question because she was beginning to feel like a conquest to you. She needed some sign from you that she was more than a passing fancy. Therefore, getting cutesy was not the best response. Playing the “define” game is fun at first, but will quickly grow tiresome because it sounds like you’re hiding something.
You didn’t allay her slut fears, so you got what a lot of “too smooth for his own good” players get: A make-out that validated the girl, followed by a preemptive, pre-sex rejection that salvaged her ego and allowed her to preserve a belief in her propriety. You ran into a classic anti-slut defense wall, and your words reinforced the bricks.
The cocksure attitude of player profligacy that will attract women has a shelf life. You can’t keep it up and expect the same results on date three that you had during minute two. At some point, she’ll want the presence of the “real you”, especially if she in any way considers you a possible long-term lover, and if she doesn’t get the real you that fun vibe which sparked her first tingles will fade until it’s replaced by doubt and emotional withdrawal.
If you have to deal with the “Are you a player?” question a lot from girls, it means you’re projecting a seductive personality too early and too strong in the interaction. You need to tone it down a little, and disqualify girls. For instance, “It’s too bad you’re a brunette, otherwise I’d be flirting with you.”

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Bithc i aint a player. imma pimp
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Fuck that girl and her sister in 3 some
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india land or rapes?
someone bought into the feminist propaganda….their per capita is 1.8 tied with canada. If youre afraid of canda then you got issues
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omg dis happensz all da time to da GBFM!!!
Her: Arze youz a playerzozogozzlzo?
GBFM: wot? i can’t understand u with my cockas in ur mouth lozozz.zozl
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1313410/Now-babies-women-Britains-feckless-father–cost-taxpayer-1-5m-time-theyve-grown-up.html
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Got you beat:
http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/09/father-of-22-raymond-hull-spared-jail-to-care-for-youngest-child-4257171/
“A 58 year old drug-dealing father of 22 children by 11 different women has been spared jail – so he can care for his latest child.”
Check out the guy
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You guys do understand that a Civilization simply cannot withstand this sort of dysgenic fertility, right?
Where the “nice guys” are having one or two or MAYBE three children each, but the criminals are spreading their seed to the tune of 20 or more children?
This will end in disaster.
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lol Shane, Maybe one or two? Most nice guys have none. Lot of people are quite hard up in the UK at the moment (unless on benefits). Besides bankers in London, salaries aren’t great.
Most families are making do with one, if that. Of course that’s actual families…otherwise the UK is packed FULL of girls like in both those articles with 2-4+ kids, doing absolutely fuck all.
Heard so many girls literally just say “I want to get knocked up”. Not that they even want a bloke or anything like that, they simply want a child so they can say they’re a “mummy”, and obviously enjoy all the support and welfare that comes with it. Free house, free money, free everything.
A lot of the girls are absolute munters but, as ya can see there’s enough blokes around perfectly willing to impregnate em heh
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zllzozzolzolzol
the funny thing is that all you hardworking betas have to pay for the kids via the welfare statesz lzozozozozolz
this is because women vote for alpha fucks beta bucks governments every chance they get. this is why the fed started the feminist movement, as they needed the “alpha fucks beta bucks” mentality to convert their fiat dollars into physical wealth and property under the guise of “caring for the poor.”
lzoozoozoz
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Aye. They even give women £200 each just for breastfeeding their kids now in some areas, look it up.
Now I’m all for encouraging that, as it’s generally better and healthier, but why the fuck are men’s taxes PAYING women to do something they should be fucking doing naturally? It’s like paying me to take a shit
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A better response to her obvious worries that he is going to pump and dump her would have been with a nice sly grin…. “I’m like everyone in this town, just looking for love….Do you think it still exists? Do you believe in soul mates?” And then before she has a chance to respond yell at the bartender..”Another round of drinks good buddy.”
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Q: “Are you a player?”
A: “have you been pumped and dumped a lot?”
probably wouldn’t work.
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“Do the number of hair tosses and the shine in her eyes betray a surging interest for more intimacy?” This is hitting home to me today. There is my usual emporium I frequent that has just been bought and the new ownership is run by a very attractive Asian woman that I’m still coming to grips with due to the several eye sparkles. Today was the first time the sexy long hair was made obviously apparent with at least two of the three hair strokes of the few minutes together amazingly directed towards me. Still considering and may be wasting a moment in time.
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@ faux Greg Elliott, it was an adult camping trip. lol
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Jes’ playin’, bro.
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> “we had a good make out, but she refused to come to my place… Later the night I got the “you’re a great guy, but…” text”
If all you wanted was a pump-n-dump, then GOOD FOR HER.
Maybe some of you dudes need to learn the difference between a bar whore who just wants to be abused and a chick whose Alpha Dad taught her a thing or two about Anti-Game.
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PS: If you had a make-out session, but she didn’t want to go any further, then could it be that YOUR KISSING TECHNIQUE SUCKS ASS?
PPS: In the future, get your moist finger on her clitoris as quickly as possible.
The way to a man’s heart is through his stomach.
The way to a woman’s heart is through her clitoris.
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PPPS: And maybe the truth of the matter was that she sensed that the chemistry just wasn’t there between the two of you, and that she was right?
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Zombie’s mistaken about the hand-in-pants maneuver. Resistance will increase. Alternate between small of back and back of neck, thumb and forefinger straddling her spine along the muscles; pause and address tenseness and knots. Transition to stroking ears with thumb, then move hand forward to thumb on jaw, fingers around ear, with gentle touch. Be sure to lower her face to hers lest neck strain interrupt. Keep other hand at small of back. [I could do more, but I’m not trying to write erotica.] Let her to close distance with those invitations, then meld bodies until her crotch finds a spot to rub. She’ll do the work if you’ve revved her engine. The key is to keep inviting, then let her close the last inch.
As for the alpha dad’s girl hypothesis, my take is that this is easily overcome by sufficient time investment. E-Harmony might have beat the odds with a modest beta display like an honest admission that his intention wasn’t to drive her away, and an apology for playing like he was a player, when he’s just really interested in boning her, a privilege he’s willing to earn so long as it’s still a possibility.
For what it’s worth, I’ve only ever been accused of being a swinger, but I think that’s ’cause I married early.
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I had a whole group full of campers thinking I was the studliest dude ever one camping trip due to my fingers doing the walking. (forgot the protection)
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I thought you counselors were supposed to leave the kids alone in that way.
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> “If you had a make-out session, but she didn’t want to go any further, then could it be that YOUR KISSING TECHNIQUE SUCKS ASS?”
Here’s another thought.
If it comes to the end of the evening, and you don’t feel that the chemistry was quite right, then practice Scarcity Game – because she will always want what she can’t have.
So don’t act all needy at the end of the date, and move in for the tongue action, hoping that it will lead to something more, like a Beta begging for scraps from the table.
Instead, get aloof as hell, say goodnight with a big smile on your face, and turn and prance away with a bounce in your step.
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Or, instead of practicing Scarcity Game, you could go straight to Honesty Game [or even to “Game” Game, where you explain the Game to her as you are Gaming her].
So you’re walking her to wherever – to her car or to her house or to a taxi or to a subway station, and you’re sensing that the chemistry still isn’t quite right, and then suddenly, right when she least expects it, you hit her punch her hard in the Ego with some Honesty Game:
YOU: “Listen, you were asking me earlier this evening about whether I was a Player. Well, I gotta be honest with you, I don’t feel like you’re ready for the next step as far as how I would normally Play you. So let’s go {insert romantic date idea here} this Friday night and get to know each other a little better before I get all full-blown Player on you. Okay?”
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> “Zombie’s mistaken about the hand-in-pants maneuver.”
tteclod, you’re describing a physical variation on Scarcity Game, wherein you are forcing her to declare [at least physically] what SHE wants by her very act of PURSUING what she wants [namely you].
That’s getting into some pretty Advanced Game Theory for beginners.
Besides, with almost all of my beeyotches, the chemistry is already so strong that once I get my hand in her pants and my moist finger on her clitoris, it’s GAME OVER.
But if you can consistently and reproducibly master Heavy Petting Scarcity Game, then more power to you.
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The way to a mans heart is though his stomach… probably true…
The way to a womans heart is though her clitoris… definitely not true.
Its been my experience that women do not have hearts and do not know how to love anything but their own offspring. Im not saying its impossible but its unlikely. In todays society having a woman love a guy is death to the guy. As a womans number count approaches infinity her ability to love a man is 0. So if she has a notch count of 4 dudes, you might be in safe territory, but as it goes to 40… cut and run. I add a 0 to whatever notch count she tells me, if she says 20 i think 200. Cruel? Probably, but so be it.
Zombies post count is approaching infinity. LOLZ
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Reblogged this on Philosophies of a Disenchanted Scholar and commented:
The cutesy evasion is disgusting and very off-putting to high-quality women. It’s a shit test for ego too.
Train of thought: Oh, you think you’re James Bond? Yeah, you wish. [next!]
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high quality woman eh? do give me an example!
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A woman who has a lot of options. That’s really all it comes down to. Women can next! too, although our dating window is much shorter.
In any realm of life, personal/professional, if you could spend your precious time with a choice of someone with an unwarranted ego (think gym selfie whore) or a healthy one, it isn’t a tough choice. Doesn’t go for all women by any stretch, but for some (who usually hold out for LTRs because they can).
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it never ceases to fascinate me.
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ahoy there!, I never post replies but I have been reading this site religiously lately…I absolutely love the education I am getting here. I am 35 and probably started getting good with girls in my late 20’s… The girls I get keep getting hotter and the question “are you a player?” is something I hear more frequently. I would say there is no right answer to this, its definitely a test. I have been saying, yes I am and its worked ok… but whenever I get these test questions, its best to laugh it off never get serious…you have to be a player cos these hoes aint loyal, lol… probably going to ay that next time
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I hope that CH posts about this story: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-handsome-felon-mother-free-jeremy-fundraiser-20140620-story.html
Some real unappealing female psychoses on display here. Would men send money to help an attractive female criminal that they didn’t even know and had no chance of sleeping with?
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there’s nothing new about these stories. check the “chicks dig jerks” archives for posts about girls swooning for badboys and felons of all stripes. the only interesting angle to this latest revelation into the female id is that the guy happens to be a handsome mulatto. but history is full of ugly serial killers who had girls sending in marriage proposals by the truckload.
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LOL I just tried to post a link to a story about him. Do you think his face/neck tattoos increases his chances with women? And should I get some myself? Not some ghey teardrop but rather something in honour of my Celtic heritage.
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His chiseled bone structure, tan and blue eyes increase his chances with women. The Crip prison tattoos make him more attractive to a certain subset of women and less attractive to others, but I’d suspect the difference washes out in the long run. Of course if this guy had a high squeaky voice and zero game (not likely), he’d be sunk as soon as he opened his mouth. So if you don’t have the face of a Ralph Lauren model, I’d say game will take you further than neck tattoos.
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Yeah, also the best defense is a good offense. If you get this a lot you might want to try pre-empting it. Call her a player. Tell her she’s trouble. Accuse her of hitting on you. Tell her to slow down.
Draw your line in the sand, then tell her not to cross it because you’re a strict Christian, then smirk.
http://laidnyc.wordpress.com/2014/03/20/be-the-resistor/
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Ya this ^ Simple re-frame with “Um, no, are you??”
Although this kind of situation is one of those “How do I get out of a headlock?”
The answer is by not getting in one in the first place.
OP kinda did himself in though.
her: are you a player?
me: define player *FAIR RESPONSE*
her: date a lot of women
me: define a lot *EH, NOT BAD*
her: more than 6 a month
me: it depends if the month has 31 days or not *BOOM, OVERGAME*
her: clever answer
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“define 6”
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Good chance for some Honesty Game here:
SHE: more than 6 a month
YOU [look of horror on your face]: 6 a month?!? Which would be 6 times 12 equals 72 a year? Good God, if I fornicated with 72 different women every year, then I’d have all the venereal diseases known to the medical arts, and probably a few venereal diseases which were still unknown to the medical arts.*
*You could add an anti-femcunt filter here, and keep going with something like “What do you think I am, an Obama voter in da hood?”
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SHE: So how many women do you sleep with each month?
Now here, you want to flip on a dime and dive into Choir Boy Game:
YOU [puppy dog eyebrows and big shit eating grin on your face]: Who, little old me? Baby I’m still a virgin, doncha know?**
**If she’s nearing the wall, and if you want to make her feel self-conscious about that, then you could add a hard neg like, “But maybe a wise old cougar like yourself could teach me a thing or two about experiencing the Big O with an older woman.”
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Or hell, just keep it simple and go with Choir Boy game from the outset.
SHE: more than 6 a month
YOU [puppy dog eyebrows and big shit eating grin on your face]: Who, little old me? Baby I’m still a virgin, doncha know?
But for your Choir Boy game to work, you gotta have mastered them puppy dog eyebrows and that big shit-eating grin and that twinkle in your eye like a Master Player.
Meaning that the “shit” in the shit-eating grin is total bullshit, and she knows that it’s total bullshit, and you know that she knows that it’s total bullshit, and she knows that you know that she knows that it’s total bullshit, etc etc etc, but that that’s all she’s EVER gonna get out of you.
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So that if you marry her and live happily with her for fifty years or more, then you’re still using that line during Deathbed Confessional Game:
82-YEAR-OLD SHE: So, old man, how many women DID you sleep with before you met me?
97-YEAR-OLD YOU [puppy dog eyebrows and big shit eating grin on your face]: Baby, you know that you were the ONLY girl for me EVAH!
97-YEAR-OLD YOU: {… Gasp! …}
97-YEAR-OLD YOU: {… assume room temperature …}
{… cue eternal radio silence …}
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Or mix Sarcastic Choir Boy Game with Sarcastic Game Game, and add layers upon layers of irony:
SHE: Are you a player?
YOU [puppy dog eyebrows and big shit eating grin on your face]: Is that like what they call a “PUA” on the internet? I had to go to this place called “urbandictionary.com” to figure out what that means – apparently it stands for “Pick Up Artist”.
SHE: Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. So are you a PUA?
CONT.
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YOU [puppy dog eyebrows and big shit eating grin on your face]: Well I read that that’s where they teach your these techniques – the nerds call them “AL-GO-RHYTHMz” – where you push all of a chick’s vulnerability buttons in the correct order and get her to submit to your will?”
SHE: Yep, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.
YOU [puppy dog eyebrows and big shit eating grin on your face]: Hey, look there was another term which I wanted to look up at “Urban Dictionary” – something called “hitting the wall” – do you know anything about that?
SHE: {… rolls her eyes …}
YOU [puppy dog eyebrows and big shit eating grin on your face]: And another term called a “cougar”?!?
SHE: {… slaps you in the face and storms away indignantly …}
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Zombie, you’re a keyboard jockey. Stop babbling.
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Go suck a little newborn Jew’s brix, Rabbi Anti-Spirit.
Seriously, fuck off.
Or else prepare for Auschwitz the Sequel.
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The irony continues to escape the numbnuts who spew South Park accusations of “keyboard jockey”, typing from the safety of their keyboards.
In the words of our inimitable GBFM: lzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlozlzozloz
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@Greg Eliot
Every time you use the term “South Park”, a teardrop slides down an angel’s cheek.
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Every time you post one of your inane stalks, the devil rubs his hands in glee.
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http://rt.com/news/167368-genital-mutilation-sweden-girls/
‘Up to 60 cases of genital mutilation among elementary school girls have been discovered in Norrköping in eastern Sweden since March, local media reported. Among the cases, 28 girls were subjected to the most severe form of genital mutilation.
…
The practice has been illegal in Sweden since 1982 and can be punished with up to four years in prison.’
So why did this happen? Just as described in the “Those Who Can See” link CH tweeted earlier, we dare not say except obliquely:
‘As the summer holidays arrive, many girls travel with their parents to their parents’ home countries, where they are at a higher risk of being subjected to this brutal practice. However, since 1999 it is also an offence under Swedish law if the surgery is performed in a different country.
“We have a routine to always inform the parents, where we know or suspect that they are going to their home countries, they could face jail if they come back and the children have undergone female genital mutilation,” Andersson told the local media.
More than 125 million girls and women alive today worldwide have been mutilated in the 29 countries in Africa and Middle East where FGM is concentrated, according to the WHO. Surgical procedures are mostly carried out on young girls sometime between infancy and age 15, and occasionally on adult women.
The causes of FMG may be cultural, religious or social conventions within families and communities of certain regions. Among some peoples FGM is considered a necessary part of raising a girl properly and preparing her for marriage. Many girls who have the FGM procedure that seals or narrows the vaginal opening later need reverse surgeries to allow for sexual intercourse and childbirth.’
If diversity wasn’t our strength, I would be afraid this was part of a war on women or something – oh shit, I just saw a PUA commit a misogynist microaggression by asking a girl’s phone number, gotta go call the commissar. Bye.
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It doesn’t appear as if “Swedish” girls are being mutilated…
Raped, yes… clitorectimized, no.
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Somalis and Eritreans, but mostly Somalis. Apparently “most if not all” immigrant women in Muslim families from those two countries are mutilated, as if they’d be American boy infants. This is an example of how many non-Whites, when they do conservatism, do it to an extreme, just like when they go leftist and start doing drugs, form gangs and drop out of school. Nuance and moderation seems to be in short supply. One comes to think of China, the land of foot-binding and emperor worship – then turning to extreme communism – then turning to extreme cynicism about politics after that.
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The best answer I’ve found to most every shit test is just to look them dead in the eye and give a little snicker…’heh heh heh.’
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It is? No wonder you’re that short black beta that cried on here that he’s too much of a tiny loser to attract chicks. Better luck next time dark midget.
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Whenever I’ve gotten asked this question from a comfort seeking frame, I have answered in a way to make her feel guilt for asking. I act a little offended, for example: “I don’t like the way that sounds. I am always honest with my intentions.” By being vague I don’t explicitly deny that I am a player (which she somehow wants me to be) but I act like I am better than that. It’s similar to a girl denying that she is a slut even though she sleeps on the first date. It’s somehow contradictory but it shuts her up, because she doesn’t want to feel more guilt and it eases her anxiety while keeping the tingle-inducing player vibe. You can say I try to come off as an ethical player.
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a.k.a. REFRAME
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I used to be a player… but then the players elected me coach.
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Greg Elliot you never left the fucking bench. Your version of a cold approach is asking someone for the time during the winter.
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+1
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Another county reports in… LOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZL.
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Still a good line. Love the message hate the messenger? No I’m not a player- I’m a coach.
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“Cold approach”… laughable wannabe PUA parlance.
Unlike you and your laughable “field reports”, having never had problems getting girls myself and, when the One was finally found, marrying and having her bear four of my children (three of which are strapping sons), I can only continue to (((shake mah haid))) at your flaccid attempts to snark.
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Eat, pray, lose your mind. Or: why you should never marry, exhibit 1.e+45
http://f2bbs.com/bbs/show_topic/999003/1
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Thank you CH for approach wk and all the good work you do.
So I just took the red pill in late march. Since then I’ve seen how game and a positive masculine mindset has literally turned my whole world upside down for the better. I’ve seen how game works and helps me thrive with female coworkers, bosses, banging old ex’s, etc.
However something’s been missing. I’ve always lacked the confidence to go to bars or clubs and enter the sexual meat market. Then CH mentioned an approach wk. Thank you for the much needed kick in the ass! I decided to start approach wk, month, yr, life immediately. I’ve been going out all wk, and I just scored a cell # at the laundry mat an hr ago.
If you’re not obese than your better than over half of all Americans. If your like me, 43 and in shape, have my hair & teeth, financially independent, and no kids or ex wives, then you are a FUCKING GOD. Even Rollo Tomasi envies us!
Keep up the great work CH, RM, RoK, SoSauve, Danger & Play, and the rest of the manosphere for giving former AFCs like me a new lease on life!
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I’ve recently received the related query on a date (sitting at bar):
her: I bet you date a lot of girls
Me: You don’t think you are the only girl with good taste do you?
Which was delivered playfully. The female bartender serving us was close enough to hear and started laughing out loud too.
But that exchange happened after this one:
her: what religion are you?
me: I am a non-denominational Satanist, and you?
Which the bartender and her both laughed also.
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you cant be two emotional things at once ie: suspicious/frightened or angry/embarrased, so you use an old Robbins trick and get crazy to deflect.
her-“are you a player” (suspicious, guarded)
me-“do you know how to get blood out of carpet? like a LOT of blood” with a straight face.
count to three, and start busting up.
she will associate her feelings of suspicion with jokes/good emotions…forever.
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What White Genocide protest art look like? Like this South African band, that apparently declined Lady Gaga’s invitation to open for her. If “WG” is too strong a term here, then “cultural reality of whites under black domination.”
H/t “Hipster Racist,” a very interesting blogger.
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Fuck, if this is what whites have come to in their art, then genocide is deserved.
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There are two ways of creating art. One is to reach up to classic forms and the other is to push things in a new direction. In the rock/pop genre, Bok van Blerk’s “De la Rey” is a good song and video about Boer genocide.
This video is the latter. It’s absurdist protest art, whether fully intended by the band (or whoever directed the video). Whet do you get out of it? You get as I said, a look at cultural reality of whites under black domination: squalor, obscenity, ugliness.
You can also see this video as a mocking of blacks. A modern-day blackface. To ensure you get the joke, they posted up a parody tabloid headline reading “Sex with Dogs Cures AID” in Afrikaners. The actual African superstition involving sex with infants, would be too obvious.
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@PA. Yea, i think of them as mocking the whole ‘hipster racism’ bs. If you haven’t already, check out their vid for Cookie Thumper. It’s right up this blog’s alley. Lol
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Here is that same band’s “f.u.” to Lady Gaga… and some more S.A. squalor
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a biiiiig “f.u.” if you keep watching it to the end.
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so who is gonna volunteer to go
the only problem with knowing about shit like that
don’t we have a dude from sa somewhere round here to tell us how bad it really is
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The value of knowing is that they can’t lie to you.
THIS EIGHT MINUTE VIDEO provides an alternative. If anyone is interested in the subject and actually watches these posted videos, this one is good. It’s a professionally produced promotional video for Orania, an Afrikaners-only town in S.A.
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It was prolly created by the neocons and israelis to deflect from their causing 9/11 and blaming your poor, innocent muslims.
Never forget rape!
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I had this once. I shut it down with:
“her: are you a player?”
“me: I’m more of a coach.”
Lame. Believe me, I know. But she had a nice chuckle and that was the end of it. Anyways, if it persisted I was ready to tell her that I coached little league for a couple summers and haven’t really been in any league for a while.
I think that a more clear deflection, as appose to leading further into it makes them feel ridiculous for even asking. Just make humour out of it.
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@ Mazrim +1 for actually putting in the hard yards and doing some approaching. I’m your age and tasted the bitter sweet red pill 6 months ago first via CH, then Rollo – the undisputed kings of the manosphere.
In addition to digesting CH and Rollo, I suggest reading RooshV’s “Bang” and “Day Bang” which I personally found nuclear in raising my notch count. It’s hardcore field-tested strategies both reduce any annoying approach anxiety, but also increases your approach to lay ratio.
If your not into the club/bar sausage fest, “Day Bang” has awesome ‘indirect approach’ strategies for getting numbers that won’t flake on you (as much).
The ‘elderly approach’ method is not only simple (and hilarious) but makes perfect sense – dramatically improving my game.
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CH- these posts the last week have been super helpful. they’ve been helping me with shit that has come up recently–literally to the day they come up. you a psychic??? especially the shit test comfort game/cocky one.
as it relates to this post–i got this from my side chick when we first hooked up. She has said i’m a player in which i have replied “i’m trying but its tough”(credit to this site where i saw it) or “yeah, i play soccer friday nights and basketball tuesday afternoons…how did you know?!?” we will bang literally minutes later
i will take the disqualification advice though. coming off too strong i guess…need to tone it down after hanging out a few times.
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Thanks Stuttiie, and now it’s time to go out to eat drink & do some more approaching! Mabey some drunken dancing too
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There are two ways I respond to this…The first is agree and amplify.
But now when it’s a “date” or meet up situation and I get this…I reply usually by reframing it.
“I’m not sure about you yet…” is one way I say it.
Laughing it off and moving to something else without addressing it…
One other way I addressed it was the Krauser way which I paraphrased. Usually they will say something like “I’m looking for a boyfriend/provider/someone to take care of me/serious relationship”
Me: All relationships are serious. For me…happiness is its own goal. I’m a man you’re a woman. Too many guys hide their sexuality and it only leads to confusion.
Some version of this and stare into her eyes. Usually they just say ok. If its a text usually they reply with some gushing stuff.
Krauser on his blog has a variety of versions of this that I picked up. Something simple usually works for me. The positioning is you’re a man she’s a woman and so desire is natural. No need to rush anything but make it clear what you want.
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Dear CH,
First to say thanks. This site changed my life, without exaggeration. Anyway, got a question about transitions.
My openings tend to be solid, negs and cockiness, but unless I transition directly to seduction phase (which works maybe 20% of time) the energy of the interactions fizzle out.
Still doing a lot better than I was before l discovered this site: my last two ladies were solid 8s- and this from a man whose who’d never done better than 5.
But if I can’t manage a rapid seduction, I seem stuck in boring, soon to fizzle out conversations. This is costing me quite a lot of prospects- I can actually see the initial attraction fade from girls eyes.
In short, how do I progress from initial opening to building comfort?
N. R.
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“Are you a player?”
No im a 21 year old virgin.
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Being deeply un-able to blink, or look away, from the stone-cold emptiness of existence = walking your dog with me while wearing a bikini thong and nothing but your long brown hair to sort of cover yur tits…
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Her main Psychiatrist has virtually written her off as a lost cause. She keeps asking him, “Is there anything in this pill that will give me a REASON ?” So she is labelled again and all suicidy meds are denied her.
Self-made adrenoline is still for her a theraputic benefit; at least for now. Hence her insistence that we take the dog for a walk at 1 am thru a culturally vibrant neighborhood with her wearing just half a bathing suit and her exceptionally long hair.
I thought, “Why not? This whole gesture looks so aggressive, people will be afraid to mess with us.” The fear of the unknown is still fear, afterall.
And that is how it went. Most folks we encountered just turned away and hurried off. Except for the over-flow street crowd at an upscale gay bar.
For those guys, apparently, there was nothing to explain.
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I never planned to get married -again – but I could, for the right reasons, always pay the go-away price…if it comes to that.
But.. Ah, babe, yur demented laughter gives me cosmic hope… The cruel and deranged things you and I have already gotten away with are beginning to look like the Real Thing.
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rum you kill me
try going in with a vibrant chick to the vibrant club they won’t even let you in he he he
but take you chick to a all vibrant club and she will most certainly get jealous of all the attention you get
congrats on finding a chick after your own heart he he he
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the dog was kind of a crutch though cause ya know they scared of dogs
if ya really want adrenaline walk anywhere like my bitch has alone and get the bricks to head to prove it
she still ain’t dead though
its after we lose everything that we are free to do anything
bout to watch fight club just bought it lol
start a vibrant fight club in your area use boxing gloves gonna have the dude down street teach me some shit
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@ Nicky Roma – I hear your pain. I’m usually good with approaching / opening but building comfort is one of the hardest areas I’ve faced in learning / calibrating my mid game. There seems to be a fine line between building comfort and releasing her from any initial sexual tension you built.
Isolating the target, compliance tests and venue bounces can work well, to build comfort however conversational threads to build comfort is complex.
In my limited experience, the trick to building comfort AND increasing the initial attraction is covertly implying how interesting and cool you are without overtly saying it – with the goal of her participating in the conversation outside of one word answers. Roosh calls it throwing out small and large bits of bait to hook her in.
For example, when you ask her a question, make sure it is littered with bait (a cool hobby your into, a great book you read, if you’ve traveled somewhere cool etc that gives her the opportunity to contribute when she finds common ground.
Because, before you start escalating to hand kino/kissing etc you need to get some IOI’s from her in the form of HER asking personal questions about YOU. No point wasting valuable time building comfort and trying to escalate if she simply isn’t interested yet. Or worse, doesn’t ask for your name after 10-15 min of chit chat lol.
Once she asks questions like your age (make her guess), or where you live or any other PERSONAL question, that is an IOI to start escalating. That means comfort has been built and you can confidently escalate to being more sexual.
If I get a combination of personal questions, compliance then mutual hand kino I will go hard escalating, with the end goal being the SNL. If bad logistics, cockblockers or ASD prevent the SNL I’ll get her number if a time bridge has been established for a day 2. Even then, numbers will usually go cold. Assume you won’t see her again – so go for the lay.
Now, if someone can help me with overcoming LMR once I have the target at my place it would be much appreciated lol.
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Stuttie,
Very good point about midgame escalation- that’s the definite trouble point.
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[…] This deceptively innocuous female query deserves its own post, because it’s something you’ll hear more than once if you a) have any sort of charming vibe or b) you live in an area where the cock carousel, and hence the broken pussies, ride high. […]
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Here’s an exchange I had with girl I’ve been gaming who has been giving IOI’s but somehow has bf somewhere…
Me: send schedule of World Cup My boys playing tonight
Her: mine too!
Me: Ghana???
Her: smiley face
Me: Salsa. Pizza. Game
Her: cool. I love pizza
Me: Join me, we’ll check it out
Her: Can’t need to join my bf’s friends
Me: send photo of pizza slice I need to join this
Her: Smiley face icon
Here’s where I’m thinking…she’s playing along with this…the door is open
Me: find a way to sneak out. might let you have a bite
Now…here’s where her response is curious:
Her: I can’t. Cant go to so many places
I didn’t respond after this.
So…girl is seems curious to play along. First time she threw out the bf which I ignore…Seems she was considering this and the reason not to meet me is logistics…not her bf.
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seems to me ya should get a nice virgin from the countryside and let her know in beginning you gonna still game other bitches or whatever but yea that’s what i would do if i was there
sounds like you in a place where you could get something nice laamborgini type bitch and are dealing with American type ho’s
get the something nice and fuck with the ho’s
but you got the good shit at home type deal
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i’m an ltr player it’s my strongpoint
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Too $hort is such a player he never bothered to fix his teef
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lol my bitch knew who it was from the into music when i played that shit
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nigas always saying that they fucked that bitch but i’m the only nigga that the bitch made rich”””””’
from the betty shit
sometimes ya got to love the blacks philosophy
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Does she recognize where the sample is from?
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yea she know music johnny cash through today way she puts it
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yea she want to make me rich
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I used to listen to him back in 2000.
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Young women ask me that shit test more often than women of my age. I don’t take women seriously and they assume I am indrectly flirting.
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I feel like this is all just way too much effort for sluts i dont even wanna get to know in the first place.
some slut that has:
1. slept with guys one night stand in the past many times
2. probably had 2 dicks at the same time
trying to make you wait and get you to date her before putting out.. i just wouldnt give a shit about her im afraid
i’d respect her more if she put out on the first night and would probably chill with her after
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I feel like this is all just way too much effort for sluts i dont even wanna get to know in the first place.
Good on ya! If more guys took this stance, the Snookies and Kardashians of this planet would have to go out and earn an honest living.
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they are all sluts. enjoy being celibate.
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For most of us, this is sound advice.
For the paranoid delusional PA, this is just more evidence that 9/11 was an inside job by neocons and israelis and that’s why we should all be commies like him.
Piggy’s Squealer rape!
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LOL!! After I destroyed his rep, the neocon monkey is back for more hurt. You notice how nobody around here likes you anymore?
Folks, we’re dealing with a classic masochist here. His m.o. is what in the D/s lingo is known as “topping from the bottom” or “being a brat.” This is normally what a chick would do, but we’re talking whorefinder. What he’s doing is taking abuse from me, recovering, and asking for more.
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Well now, let’s not declare victory before it’s actually been achieved.
I usually like the posts from both of you guys… but this Hatfield/McCoy thing between y’all is lame, and detracts from both houses.
Just put on the gloves already, go a few rounds, and then I’ll buy ya both a beer.
But put this petty sniping to rest, fer cryin’ out loud!
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Note how PA hides whenever I call him out—won’t reply directly to my posts, so I won’t be alerted to his nonsense.
Classic commie-gamma behavior.
He, in short, has no credibility.
PA rape!
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Can’t help myself Greg. Abusing her is souch fun.
I understand that in the tradition of the Jewish shock jock, whorefinder makes funny and occasionally useful observations — this is why I let him comment in peace. But as you see, he cant help himself when it comes to getting humiliated.
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lmao. and he keeps claiming I’m Jewish (which I’m not). This little lying commie squealer is getting bold in his lies these days.
Note how he has glommed onto the 9/11 nutty theories—all embraced and promoted by the left.
Coincidence? Not from our dear little Piggy’s Squealer.
A Gamma at heart.
Piggy’s Squealer rape!
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Lookee what happens when you slap a neocon monkey. It comes back with anemic pleas.
*SLAP!!!* the bitch!
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lmao rofl.
poor wittle Gamma-Commie. Desperately trying to cover himself and his own insecure heart.
You’ve lost, boy. Man up and admit to it all.
Lefty-in-sheeps-clothing rape!
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After I destroyed his rep
—ROFL. Note how the gamma-commie works: he declares something to be true, therefore it is true—even if there is no evidence!
Shades of a woman’s hamster, eh boys?
If anyone’s reputation is now in shreds, it is PA’s. His paranoid delusional rantings about 9/11, his continuous lies about it (“we went into Iraq based on 9/11! whorefinder is Jewish!”) have put his credibility in the paper shredder.
and let’s not forget one major point: the writers of this blog agreed with my “neocon” (lol!) ideas: we should carpet-bombed nations back to stone age but not occupy any longer than necessary to kill our enemies, then we pick up and leave it.
According to the Gamma-Commie Liar PA, this is “neocon” philosophy! Even though neocon philosophy involves invasion and nation-building and targeted killings–the opposite of what I and Heartiste believe in!
lmao. this poor little liar is so very sad. Every time he speaks, he puts his foot deeper in his gibbering mouth.
Gamma-Commie Rape!
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He met this girl on E Harmony. I think it’s clear that he overgamed her or used the wrong game. I think his answers were good for PoF or OK cupid date, but this woman was paying money to a company that sells the idea of marriage and soulmates. Game is always situational awareness. My question is, why is he spending money on e harmony if he is such a player?
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When seeking truth about an event that cost the lives of three thousand Americans, started an unnecessary war, and destroyed our liberty, don’t ask “who” or “why” or even “how.” All that talk of Israel or NWO is unproductive speculation.
Simply start by asking “what.” Three buldings collapsed in a manner consistent with controlled demolition. No proper investigation was performed. Thermite residue was found in the ruins. WTC7 steel was hastily shipped to China for recycling. Recorded eyewitness testimony inconsistent with official exanations. The only steel frame building in history to putatively collapse solely from fire. Low temperature office fires, when steel skyscrapers elsewhere withstood full-day infernos.
What happened that day?
Wolfowitzfinder mewls “don’t question the government!”
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lmao. Tell us all again how Bush and Israel caused 9/11.
This silly little commie monkey is great fun. Too bad his lies work even a bit on our dark lords and master.
9/11 rape!
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My comments don’t “work” or “not work” on anyone because what I do is raise questions and state facts. I leave the rest to others, who as intelligent men can take it from there.
Let’s recall:
Whorefinder the masochist likes:
– Unrestricted immigration
– White girls mixing with browns
– Death and maiming of Americans in foreign wars.
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lol. Note how PA, ever the Gamma Commie, is still claiming victory without proof. Spin, lefty hamster, spin!
Let’s recall:
PA the Gamma Commie likes:
-spreading lies that 9/11 was an inside job by Bush/neocons and Israel (like all correct-thinking Gamma-Commies do)
-stating the lie that we invaded Iraq because of 9/11
-lying and claiming I’m Jewish
-lying and saying I’m in favor of open borders (I’m not, though pre-red pill I was)
-sellouts who will say anything for money (like his one true hero, Piggy)
– lying and claiming that I said that I “like” White girls mixing with browns
-refusing to see his hypocrisy of kissing up to Heartiste while castigating me for the same anti-neocon beliefs—that is, we should wreak havoc, salt the earth, and the leave —on all terrorist-helping states
-lying and claiming that my anti-neocon beliefs make me a “neocon.”
You see how the commie lies pile up. He will add more, trust me He is a good little squealer for Piggy, and a prime example of a Gamma-Commie, per Vox Day’s analysis of Gamma traits. Heck, he and Scalzi prolly are on the same journolist.
Just give up now, boy. You’re finished.
Gamma-Commie rape!
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PA, arguing with whorefinder is like sticking your arm into a vat of superglue.
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Especially when you’re PA, the congenital liar, Gamma-Commie, and squealer for a man with no principles.
Rape!
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Whorefinder, I sure as hell wasn’t giving you a compliment — you’re a troll extraordinaire
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lol. Typical attempt to dismiss harsh criticism.
A troll is not someone who disagrees with you, son.
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@whorefinder
Evasions, red herrings, blatant falsehoods, ad hominem, slippery slope, ad hominem, bandwagon appeals, ad hominem, scare tactics, ad hominem, begging the question, ad hominem, lack of evidence, ad hominem, failure to address counterarguments, ad hominem, ad hominem … the list of your shitty fallacies stretches to the moon. If you were forced to debate ethically you would lose every motherfucking time, and you know it … which is why you’re simply a troll
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lmao. Oh poor wittle 9/11 troofer. I’ve owned your ilk so many times, and you get mad when I play you.
Poor wittle lefty. lol
Rape!
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Jew baiting yawns. Don’t forget we need these Hebrews on our side fellows. If we get enough of them they will call off the Trilaterallists.
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I am spinning about 5 plates right now but the walls are closing in a bit, as 3 are pressing me on the “player” thing. Whenever a girl shit tests me about other girls I always A&A, works 100% of the time, without fail. Three different women this week pulled these:
Her: I bet you’ve slept with a lot of girls
Me: Are we counting the midgets and trannies?
Her: I’ll be over at 7:00 so that gives you time to get the other woman out of there.
Me: She already left this morning, she’s hell of a pancake maker too…
Chick brings over nice bottle of wine but we were making mixed drinks.
Her: You better save that for next time I come over and not drink it with some other chick
Me: Don’t worry, I’ll refill the bottle with Mad Dog 20/20, you’ll never know the difference.
There’s a few others just this week that worked well. In person it always results in an arm slap and the verbal rebuttal is either “jerk” or “I hate you”, always in a playful way.
This is kinda my natural personality with people in general so I guess it’s natural, but it has NEVER worked in the past if I have tried to explain or defuse suspicions or fears.
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Any circumstance where fake indignation of some sort “is this a game to U?” Is appropriate?
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@Gro Haila Fake indignation is similar to “Agree and amplify”
Are you a player?
“Behave…”
“yes, which team are you on?”
“Depends…what game are you playing?”
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Nah I’m a pimp
Take out phone, pretend to call one of your hoes and tell that bitch to have your money pronto
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pretend?
he he he
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Hey, The dog (a tiny Jack Russell Terrier named Olive) needed to poop. You can always tell because of the way she barks just once and then tilts her head a certain way.
Clubbing? Neither of us are able to find much juice in that. Being thrown out of clubs used to do it, but since her symptoms have progressed and become truly ominous, there is no longer much sport in it.
That does not mean that taking Olive out for a walkie has to be boring, now does it?
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we should hang out
sounds like fun
my chick bud from school says I used to have a ton of friends now nobody wants to hang out with me since I went Iraq
hanging with the supposed dregs of society seems to work they can accept me I guess
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Wait, the whole point of disqualifying is to DHV/raise value.
If you’re seen as a ‘player’/smooth, that means youre high value…wouldnt disqualifying the girl/yourself put you out of the league?
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a player is the dude who really don’t have to game per se
a chick in a club or in life who wants to fuck knows exactly who the player is and knows because all the chicks have fucked him that she knows and will be excited that he is going to take her home to fuck her that night but she also knows he ain’t gonna be falling in love with her it will only be a one time thing no relationship or what not just fucking and then done
and she cool with that it is all she wants at the time
she may have some sort of dream about making him fall in love but even she knows on a realistic level it ain’t gonna happen he that far above that shit
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being “too smooth” can be low value if it conflicts with a woman’s need for emotional attainability. so in that sense the qualification is to make yourself a little less cartoonishly smooth.
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once again a great post with really good advice.
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This:
“The cocksure attitude of player profligacy that will attract women has a shelf life. You can’t keep it up and expect the same results on date three that you had during minute two. At some point, she’ll want the presence of the “real you”, especially if she in any way considers you a possible long-term lover, and if she doesn’t get the real you that fun vibe which sparked her first tingles will fade until it’s replaced by doubt and emotional withdrawal.
If you have to deal with the “Are you a player?” question a lot from girls, it means you’re projecting a seductive personality too early and too strong in the interaction. You need to tone it down a little, and disqualify girls.”
And the “Value Shit Tests Vs Comfort Shit Tests” post have made a huge difference in my views. Thanks CH!
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“Are you a player?”
I was in the league for a stint
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