Humans are unique among sexually reproducing animals in the subtlety of their flirting behavior.
Covert sexual signaling: Human flirtation and implications for other social species.
According to signaling theory and a large body of supporting evidence, males across many taxa produce courtship signals that honestly advertise their quality. The cost of producing or performing these signals maintains signal honesty, such that females are typically able to choose the best males by selecting those that produce the loudest, brightest, longest, or otherwise highest-intensity signals, using signal strength as a measure of quality. Set against this background, human flirting behavior, characterized by its frequent subtlety or covertness, is mysterious. Here we propose that the explanation for subtle and ambiguous signals in human courtship lies in socially imposed costs that (a) vary with social context and (b) are amplified by the unusual ways in which language makes all interactions potentially public. Flirting is a class of courtship signaling that conveys the signaler’s intentions and desirability to the intended receiver while minimizing the costs that would accompany an overt courtship attempt. This proposal explains humans’ taxonomically unusual courtship displays and generates a number of novel predictions for both humans and non-human social animals. Individuals who are courting should vary the intensity of their signals to suit the level of risk attached to the particular social configuration, and receivers may assess this flexible matching of signal to context as an indicator of the signaler’s broader behavioral flexibility and social intelligence.
There’s a reason the apocalypse opener is so rarely encountered.
The entire study is worth reading at the attached PDF link. Essentially, humans, often men (since men are usually the courtship initiators), coyly flirt to preserve their social capital (public shame/rejection) or to protect themselves from interference by aggrieved third parties (cockblockers/AMOGs).
Whereas the standard model of sexually selected courtship signaling suggests that maximum intensity is always favored, we propose flexibility as an alternative route to reproductive success. Signalers who skillfully assess and adjust to social context (i.e., good flirts) display their quality not through high-intensity displays that index physical prowess and condition, but through sensitive signal-to-context matching that indicates behavioral flexibility and social intelligence.
Game is applied charisma, and applied charisma is best thought of as revealed social aptitude. Good flirts can read signals in a timely and precise manner, and respond to those signals with interest level gauged to the social context within which the signals occur.
Muscles, looks, and money aren’t the key variables driving, or even instigating, female attraction in most complex modern social contexts. Social savviness — the ability to flirt confidently and skillfully, aka game — is the fitness trait that really matters. Even a top 1% looking man will flounder if he lacks the social prowess of a less good-looking but more socially keen competitor.
The more social costs that can be imposed, the more covert your flirting needs to be to reduce the risk of social annihilation. Office romances have a Coyness Rating (CR) of 90%. One-on-one weeknight approaches in empty bars have a CR of 20% (you can go pretty direct there). Daygame pickups on the sidewalk have a CR, give or take depending on number of onlookers and proximity to relevant observors, around 40%. Picking up a second cousin at a family funeral has a CR of 100%.
The lower the social risk of courtship, the better direct game will work. Anonymous, thumping urban nightclubs are playgrounds of direct game. SWPL bars where a girl is surrounded by all her friends, beta orbiter and female? You had better insinuate yourself indirectly.
The key quality of Gricean implicature—for the flirt—is that it allows speakers to claim two distinct meanings at once: the surface meaning as well as the implied one. For example, the question, “Do you want to grab coffee sometime?” can be both an innocent invitation to drink coffee and a sexual overture.
Chicks dig ambiguous men. Ambiguity is a challenge to a girl’s self-conception (does he really want me?) and an affirmation of the social risk she may incur by following through on the man’s courtship attempt. A man with a highly intelligent grasp of social dynamics is likely a man who does well with women, and we all know how much women love preselected men.
A couple of final points. One, ff the “receiver” — the woman you are approaching — is much higher SMV than what you could be expected to get, your instinct will guide you to very coy (plausibly deniable) flirty game, to lower your social risk of rejection. But that’s exactly why you should try to go in with more intention; you increase the perception of your own relative SMV by flirting more intently as if you were a higher value man. Perception is king in the field. If you act like a winner, women will treat you like a winner. Maybe not right away, but in time, as long as your frame is solid.
Two, you should be adept at varying the intensity of your flirting. Tight game means attention to context. Finger her in the public restroom? Sure. Avoid PDA when friends are watching? Yes. Sexual intention must be communicated at some point between “hi” and “slip it in”, but the timing of that revealed intention, and the strength of the revelation, will vary according to circumstance, and a good player knows this.

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Speaking about game, the Canucks despise traditional men approach to women. Female publik sckool teachus instill misandry views to their students.
If a male was accused of false sexual harassment allegations, there is no probability that he can clear his name in court.
Appears female Canadian teachers are shutting down male owned technology enterprises in the US. A big case of misandry and feminism in play:
Whether the allegations were true or not, the US justice system allowed foreign entities to harass hardworking Americans:
http://www.freeforum101.com/tsaa/viewtopic.php?t=166&sid=b4646c76d9d5066cf1db390deaf0caef&mforum=tsaa
The Canadian feminNazis are at it to suppress Americans from their Constiutuin!!!
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OT:
You’ll love this one:
http://sparklesandsecrets.com/2014/06/26/what-do-we-have-to-prove-i-dont-know-that-is-why-im-asking/
Girl basically describes how the 100 commandments of poon made her fall uncontrollably in love with a guy who met zero items off of her checklist.
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hamster on HGH and deca
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check out the comments section http://sparklesandsecrets.com/
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Look at the link posted by a guy to a page about “30 things you should know about men.” Most pathetic list ever. If it describes you well, you’re not a man.
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@Humans are animals
more like “30 things you should know about betas”
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Blue pill blubbering. A literary equivalent of running “comfort game” (such that it is) without having already established “attraction game.”
And right off the bat, he juxtaposes “guys” with “women:”
Over the past ten years of paying attention to language, I’ve seen fewer and fewer instances of the analogous combination of “white male” with “African-American man,” sometimes in one sentence. It’s also time to stop using “guys” with “women.” Where context required polarity, default to “men” with “girls” instead.
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Over the past ten years of paying attention to language, I’ve seen fewer and fewer instances of the analogous combination of “white male” with “African-American man,” sometimes in one sentence. It’s also time to stop using “guys” with “women.” Where context required polarity, default to “men” with “girls” instead.
Your post puts the liberal “guys/women” convention into stark relief. Heh.
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attention whores addicted to self-created self-centered drama. their “thoughts” are as valuable as a drunk chimp’s.
the only thing they have going for them is between their legs.
this one happens to be a terrible “writer” too.
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Oh no!! I am horribly slandered. I hope my thoughts are more valuable then a drunk chimps. I certainly charge enough for access to them. And as far as what’s between my legs,those have been fighting against me all my life. I think your statement is invalid.
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PA quotes blubbering:
“Today I saw what I believed to be a bad article called 30 truths about women. With that being said I wanted to genuinely write something that are 30 truths about guys. With that being said some of these are also true for women. Additionally, I am sure these are not all true for every single guy but generally speaking I believe they are.”
PA, this evening I saw what I believed to be a bad written quote, quotes above. With that being said I wanted to genuinely asks something that are why do you calls that quote blubbering “literary”? lolz With that being said none of these are also true grammars for English. Additionally, I am sure these are not all true grammars for every single languages but generally speaking is pieces of shit grammars.
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–I hads to have tries the authors lingistical mindsetting, to honestly be. With that in mind, it is like been high. With that being said, no disaffectionates intentional towardses PA. Tho for funnys sakes temptations being to affixed “GRAMMAR RAPE” for giggled and shitses. No homoed
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Calibration is key, and it comes from social and verbal awareness.
I was out last night with a divorced woman (HB8) who’s still wounded from her nightmarish sociopathic ex. Instead of using aloof/teasing behavior (my default mode), I gauged her emotional state and decided to go beta and comfort her. Also, since she’s an educational administrator (data, charts, pedagogic analysis) and a lifelong runner, I knew that she wouldn’t really understand subtext or subtlety. I phrased all my statements very directly and unambiguously.
The night was a success, heh heh.
Guys, be flexible in your communication styles, and tune your antennae to the minutae of human social life. Perceptiveness will reward you a hundred times over, and not just with women.
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It’s my experience that “going beta” gets you a snuggly “you understand me! not like all those other horrid men” instead of a horny slut slobbing the knob.
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Push-pull, my friend. I peppered the evening with just a touch of negging. Too much, though, and she would’ve shut down.
She came back for seconds yesterday, BTW.
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TSW, if you were a shegetz, then I’d urge you to consider putting some buns in that oven.
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And if you were on your meds, I might be bothered to reveal that I’m Catholic…
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great advice here.
it seems like a lot of guys on here aren’t getting the importance of reading the girls they are interacting with and balancing out their behaviors to fit the situation. it hasn’t always come naturally for me so i’ve made plenty of mistakes myself. i’m still making them.
the important thing is to frequently and consistently assess the situation you’re in and be willing to adjust and recalibrate when needed. that’s super important.
you can get friend-zoned or lose the sale by being too extreme either way. you have to have the right balance of alpha and beta behaviors depending on the individual girl or situation that you’re in or you’ll fail every time.
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And by preying on that vulnerability, you only further perpetuated that sociopathic behavior she apparently is seeking to distance herself. Congratulate yourself on your reckless abandonment of humanity.
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Cynic. I legitimately felt bad for her. Do you get out much?
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coyness as means of plausible deniability to avoid blowouts wherein resource acquisition/tribal stability might be compromised from fallout of SMP negotiation, harkening back to limited mobility/small pop size of early man’s associations
or, cat-string theory. pretty much only foreplay when the sale is already understood, nuance doesn’t raise SMV
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> “Whereas the standard model of sexually selected courtship signaling suggests that maximum intensity is always favored, we propose flexibility as an alternative route to reproductive success… through sensitive signal-to-context matching that indicates behavioral flexibility and social intelligence.”
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Pay very close attention to Don Schlitz’s advice here: “Know when to fold ’em, know when to walk away, and know when to run.”
Some pussy just ain’t worth it. If you start to sense The Darkness in her heart, then run don’t walk away.
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BTW, Amy, this advice is just as true for women, as well – learn to sense the complete absence of humanity in a man with whom you are flirting – or at least take him home to your father so that your father can do the sensing for you.
Don’t spread your legs for a sociopath.
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“learn to sense the complete absence of humanity in a man with whom you are flirting”
Lol, no one can do that while flirting. Which is one of the 335,284 reasons girls shouldn’t have sex with a guy right away.
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It’s another permutation of the courtship/mating paradox. At the high end it never works if you try, but if you keep going with no regard to the consequence it does eventually work. Not trying in a persistent way becomes the form of endeavour that brings the reward.
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When has “Do you want to grab coffee sometime?” ever been innocent invitation to drink coffee? It’s always a sexual overture. Who comes up with this stuff? Do women really think this?
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> ““Do you want to grab coffee sometime?”… It’s always a sexual overture.”
A sexual overture by a BETA.
Betas ax questions. Alphas issue commands.
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“Betas ax questions. Alphas issue commands.”
“It’s time for your macchiato.”
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not true all the time.
calibration along a continuum is the rule.
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Definitely NOT true.
“How ya doing tonight?”
“Where ya headed?”
“Had anything to drink tonight?”
No sir officer, but I plan to get shit face drunk when I get home
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thwak gettin’ shitfaced tonight
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@Harland “Do women really think this?”
Yes!! We do.
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Use no specifics. “What’s up tonight?”
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“…as if you were a higher value man. Perception is king in the field. If you act like a winner, women will treat you like a winner. Maybe not right away, but in time, as long as your frame is solid.”
That’s the key right there. Be the higher value man and believe you are the higher value man. Do both. And though your words must be carefully calibrated to covertly communicate your superior social awareness (and that necessity presents a valuable opportunity to amplify and confirm your heightened SMV status), your intention must reveal a calm but unyielding and unapologetic preference to fuck her. Why would the higher value man need to couch his intention? That would be a waste of his precious time. The intention should almost always be as directly though non-verbally exuded as the ‘AO’ is directly stated.
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apocalypse opener!!!. this is my game for the rest of the year. probably for life.
HB blow out rejection means less than nothing when you have a hot regular slampiece.
she can say yes or no. she can try to slap me. i really don’t care cause i’m pounding pink either way.
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…not very good game considering the effectiveness of stacking openers..but if you must..the beach and magazine stands are the best places to try it…
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My Fellow Americans,
Running into some obstacles in regards to my Day 2s.
My initial assessment is that the pendulum is swinging too hard to the right and I’m giving off too much of a playerish vibe and escalating quickly.
One positive thing is I’m hitting my groove on these dates: I’m not nervous, I steer the convo, I’m planning them out a lot better, I’m at ease escalating. I am giving off that vibe of the sexy guy and not the provider guy.
Damn, one girl this week told me she could tell I would be good at sex when I # closed her on the street. Big game changer for me as I was finger-banging her at the park that night. So the girls are very intrigued by me and how I present myself esp since I am being nonjudgmental and am literally getting them to open up with me about their sexual fantasies and links when we get to the 2nd venue.
Yet, I’m having trouble getting the lay. It could be logistics/7 hours rule (most dates start at 9 and end around 1) since I have to get sleep but I’m also worried that I’m missing the essential framework to want them to sleep with me.
I want the sex to be a win/win but I think there is some distrust into giving it up. Hard to explain. I like the idea of coming off as the anti-bf/provider and the girls’ seem to buy into what I’m offering….but still haven’t gotten the lay. If this could happen on the Day 3 after some more comfort then fine. I’m trying to escalate and lead things to their/my apt but it’s like a structural issue. Some lines I’ve heard this week:
1. There is no way we’re having sex tonight (as we’re essentially dry-humping in front of her apt and I have her lifted against her building wall)
2. I can’t go home with you. I bet you do this with every girl. You’re a good looking guy you can probably get any girl.
3. I really want to but it’s not happening tonight. So yes, I try to flip the script and say “Yeah right, who said I would even have sex with you.” But the lines/tactics don’t work when there is a structural problem.
4. We just met on the street, I’m not like that. (As I’m pulling her hair and placing her hand on my cock and we keep making out)
I’m not beating myself up over this as it’s an improvement from my dates that used to end in the awkward kiss at the end but it’s a bit frustrating. I’m not being a crass jerk with these girls either, just letting them know that I’m not the provider type through my words, actions, stories. I’m also doing a good job of getting to know them, eliciting their values and knowing when to back off….it’s just done with a lot of kino lol.
Also it could be because of the whole daygame thing since in their mind I’m still the guy they just met on the street.
Please let me know, would love to hear any and all feedback.
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@immoral Same thing happened to me this week. 23 year old, escalated, make out, sexualizing, make out outside the bar, spanking her ass…but she insisted on going back home.
I could have pushed her into a taxi but there was the “my dog is home alone” idea and I just said ok. This was the first meet up so I got far enough.
Then I texted to meet up again and she said she was busy.
So from what you’re writing it could be that your attraction is spiking but not enough rapport.
The buying temperature is high, but then ASD kicks in.
Logistics are a thing as well. I find that if I can find a way to get the girl to come over—for dinner or to cook together then it’s on.
It may be their ASD is kicking in because of that lack of rapport.
Krauser’s book DayGame Mastery suggests a 3 venue escalation: first is more just chatty and spiking attraction. The second venue you find a darker place that’s quiet with alcohol and you go for the k-close midway through her drink so she is inclined to stay.
Third venue should be sexualizing and getting her into a taxi home.
This requires a bit more time. Personally I find that amping up the attraction and balancing it with rapport spikes. Then finding a day 3 where you bring her to your place after two make outs may be it.
I did find I was over-gaming chicks at one time. This is fine because it helps you to eliminate the time wasters who won’t bang you. On the other hand your over-gaming may be scaring girls who would otherwise bang you but who suddenly feel like it’s moving too fast.
More rapport.
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Good looks Walawala!
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@immoral @wala
dry hump against a building in public = make out = ok (if she goes home alone…bc then she’s not a slut…lol)
dry hump against a building in public + going inside to private space with you = ASD (bc then she will have to face her slutty behavior…lol)
…solution is to slow down the escalation until you are actually inside the private space (could be a public bathroom…lol…as long as the ‘public’ plus ‘private’ doesn’t add up to ‘slut’…lol)…or if you’ve over-sexualized the kino (and realize it in time) back off the sex vibe with enough time to erase the ‘public’ (like disarming LMR, which is what you are doing, just doing it preemptively…)
good luck!
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@having a bad day immoral one general observation. I’ve found that with girls in their 20’s who are now my main target, escalation is much smoother and running game is easier. They are less inclined to ask those “are you a player?” type questions.
I now think also that logistics do play a key role. I escalated in one location. The last time I extracted and banged the girl who was 31 was taking her to 2 locations and following that model. By the second venue we’d had some drinks and I was escalating kino and she was receptive. When I escalated to make out, it was easy to say “Let’s get out of here” and bring her home.
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@immoral Another one for your amusement or enjoyment. I made plans to bang the 23 year old mentioned above. She was to come over and cook…ie bang.
She texts this morning to say she can’t come over because she’s having her period and may be “moody”.
This has to be the biggest IOI I’ve received in a while. This was total confirmation she was up to bang but felt bad about this.
I made plans with someone else and suggested we meet up another time when she was “feeling better” ie up to bang.
At first I had suggested she just come over anyway but after the other girl contacted me I blew off period girl until she’s 100% up for it.
Thought that by telling period girl to stay put until she’s totally ready next time she comes over it’s on.
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Yo thanks for all your advice throughout the thread homie
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1. There is no way we’re having sex tonight (as we’re essentially dry-humping in front of her apt and I have her lifted against her building wall)
There is no one failproof line you can use here. You have to convey through your vibe and abundance mentality that tonight is her chance, and probably her only chance. Your nonverbals should communicate ‘you’re blowing your chance with that bullshit talk, honey’.
2. I can’t go home with you. I bet you do this with every girl. You’re a good looking guy you can probably get any girl.
“I understand”. Then just keep escalating and remain internally unattached to the end result of fucking her. She will feel that – while you’d prefer to nail her, you can take it or leave it – and you don’t care enough to creepily push past her sincere resistance. It’s therefore on her as to whether or not she gets to enjoy fucking you that night vs. depriving herself of great sex.
3. I really want to but it’s not happening tonight. So yes, I try to flip the script and say “Yeah right, who said I would even have sex with you.” But the lines/tactics don’t work when there is a structural problem.
“Yeah, that can’t happen yet. Too soon.” Then keep escalating physically and non-verbally.
4. We just met on the street, I’m not like that. (As I’m pulling her hair and placing her hand on my cock and we keep making out)
“I know”. Continue escalation.
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Good stuff thanks Steve
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“It’s therefore on her as to whether or not she gets to enjoy fucking you that night vs. depriving herself of great sex.”
deprived of piv sex but not orgasm. chicks these days are chronic masturbators. horseface in the city made it not just okay but often preferred.
after a few years of pump and dump by guys who aren’t as great in bed as she hoped she will be wary. she can go months even years without piv.
a lot to overcome.
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“deprived of piv sex but not orgasm. chicks these days are chronic masturbators. horseface in the city made it not just okay but often preferred…she can go months even years without piv”
yep. for a couple of decades now, women have been taught that their pleasure is more important than yours and they have no obligation to pleasure you. and with that whole anti-piv movement in full swing now, the young girls are being taught that intercourse is wrong and dirty.
i think some of the reason there are so many women that can’t get off with straight intercourse is that they have been told that they can’t or that oral or manual stimulation is better. it messes with their minds and changes their stimulation and orgasm triggers. no guy should have to spend 10, 20 or 30 minutes trying to get a girl off orally or manually unless that’s something he enjoys. it’s not natural and it certainly isn’t effective from an evolutionary or reproductive standpoint. women and men have just been conditioned to think it is normal.
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I take that back. that is evolution. humans evolving into sexless beings who don’t have any interest in reproducing or bonding with their mate.
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@bome and nomad there is a lot of truth here. Women are not only told to masturbate chronically but they are taught to use vibrators and all sorts of unnatural contraptions which oscillate at thousands of cycles per second. Which is over stimulating to the most sensitive part of the human body man or woman.
Then they are taught by women’s magazines that they have to do this because men cannot get them off. Ad that most women are incapable of normal sex driven orgasms which is a lie. All the while they are having disappointing sex with manginas that don’t turn them on in the first place. Creating a self fulfilling prophecy.
This all creates a strange brew that has the allure of PIV sex not so alluring. But then again evolution has them still wanting a dick and a man cumming inside of them. That is still very strong.
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“no guy should have to spend 10, 20 or 30 minutes trying to get a girl off orally or manually unless that’s something he enjoys”
lol thank-you for making my job easier. 🙂
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count on the 24 y/o virgin to be the twat who plays the “i love munching box for days” card.
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PIV does things hormonally that other things don’t. If women don’t get it they end up with hormonal and mood disorders. We just don’t need it as often, and never have. All it takes a woman who isn’t a nympho is to catch one bad encounter, and this makes us very careful.
If we’ve ever had a sociopath or narcissistic borderline, we can go for years.
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Most of a girl’s orgasm is mental. I blame casual sex and porn for all these problems. And I don’t have issues in this area so I’m not hamster spinning.
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..there is some truth to this as most of the time the women I sleep with are already turned on by the time she is laying to the bed…but rough physical sex is power…
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‘1. There is no way we’re having sex tonight (as we’re essentially dry-humping in front of her apt and I have her lifted against her building wall)’
2. I can’t go home with you. I bet you do this with every girl. You’re a good looking guy you can probably get any girl.
3. I really want to but it’s not happening tonight. So yes, I try to flip the script and say “Yeah right, who said I would even have sex with you.” But the lines/tactics don’t work when there is a structural problem.
4. We just met on the street, I’m not like that. (As I’m pulling her hair and placing her hand on my cock and we keep making out)’
The answer to all of these that has the highest chance of working is just to say ‘All right,’ with a smile before you continue doing what you are doing. Leave the ‘witty, clever’ stuff at the door.
What you’re doing is just agreeing to whatever she says…what she’s trying to do is stop HERSELF from getting aroused to the point of being unable to say no. By just being ‘cool with it,’ you set her at ease and get another chance to spike her arousal up to that point. Once a girl gets really turned on, they pretty much can’t say no.
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Did you transcribed these words directly from your diary?
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Nah but you can have your mom verify the 4th quote
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How many guys are going to have to give you the business, bling cap boy, before you take the hint and stop posting these douche-chill reports of yours?
Oh, and that “your mom” retort was a classic. :duckface:
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@Greg, while I can’t say I’m fond of immoralgables, he at least contributes something to this blog. At least his comments are worth reading because you can derive some game related idea out of them, unlike half the comments around here which are pretty much just trite whining about blacks, impregnating women, Marxists or whatever.
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There are others say different… and if you think his vapid “field reports” add something to the mix, you’re just as much a pathetic dweeb as he.
If some of the fellows had has a father or “Dutch” uncle in their lives before I came along, I wouldn’t have to do so much bouncing here at the chateau.
Now run along… when I want you’re opinion, I’ll let you know.
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HABD is right on, you’re escalating too fast without taking care of the logistics first.
I’ve learned this the hard way : no heavy makeout unless you’re at yours or hers.
I suggest forcing yourself not to think about the lay, but babystepping it like “how can I get her to come up to my apt”.
Do you “plant seeds” (dont know the pua term lol) in her head about excuses to take her up to your flat?
What are your logistics exactly? How far is the last bar you’re taking her from your place? I’ve done a shitload of day2s, and learned that you should leave nothing random in your planning : which bars are dark, which ones have couches where you can kino (vs 2 chairs separated by a table), which ones play the world cup on a tv (lol no thats a joke dont go to a bar like that!).
Most of the girls I meet say that the day2 was very spontaneous/fun/adventurous etc. but it followed exactly the same pattern than the 10 I had before lol.
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May I suggest pre-empting her? When you’ve escalated almost as far as you think you can go before her ASD kicks in . . . stop. Say goodnight and leave her. No drama, nothing like that, just “Well, that’s all. See ya!” and off you go.
It ought to supercharge her hamster.
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Friend-Zone them.
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Social capital is crucially important. Many men who turn to game have never properly embedded themselves in a social network or community of close friends and relatives – these are the proper avenues to learn how to deal with men and women.
Also, ideological communities do not count. Social networks or communities built off ideological ties function as an echo chamber and do not give proper feedback for dealing with normal, well-adjusted people.
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Absolutely. I appreciate the opportunity to spew my vitriolic neo-feudalistic far-right views on sites like this one, but when it comes to the social arena – I’ll still firmly state that I’m libertarian but after that I pretty much shut up and handle any further retorts by SWPL prog idiots with ‘hey what’re ya gonna do’, ‘well, ya know’, ‘hmm, i don’t know, maybe’ and other such platitudes which communicate ‘i’m not gonna debate anything with you right here right now’. Mastering the social arena means befriending a wide array of people from multifarious ideological viewpoints and cultural backgrounds. It’s hugely important to learning how to cultivate ‘being normal’ in the best possible meaning of that phrase. And ‘being normal’ in gregarious but well-calibrated, well-adjusted measure is a huge part of social success.
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thank god you guys are here. i don’t think this is a difficult concept to grasp, but many folks here seems incapable of realizing that you can fervently believe in something without making said belief your sole and exclusive identity to the exclusion of everyone and everything else. it is fine to draw a hard line, but context is everything.
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Well DUH!!!
In the meat world, discretion is always the better part of valor… and as the Godfather says, never let a stranger know what you’re thinking.
That’s why anything goes under the anonymity of Cyberia, and forums such as these provide, if nothing else, a valuable safety valve.
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@yeahokcool
‘i don’t think this is a difficult concept to grasp, but many folks here seems incapable of realizing that you can fervently believe in something without making said belief your sole and exclusive identity to the exclusion of everyone and everything else. it is fine to draw a hard line, but context is everything.’
it’s the infection from Libtardia….
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@steve h…touche’
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thats a solid beta play, Steve H. props!
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You should be able to pose cheeky but relevant questions that defuse the political debate, while also being hard to argue with. This is my approach to the SWPL baiting.
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@yeahokcool, I’m glad I live in a country where people don’t make ideas part of their identity. Except the people brainwashed by America to believe in dumb American things.
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“Many men who turn to game have never properly embedded themselves in a social network or community of close friends and relatives – these are the proper avenues to learn how to deal with men and women.”
Communities are increasingly rare in the US, at least in the way most people understand them. We have a very low-trust, every-man-for-himself society. No doubt exacerbated by divorce laws, immigration, paranoia, etc. Everybody is an individual now, but not in the strong, rugged mold…more like shouting impotently into the Twitter hole.
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I look forward to the day when this blog is no longer in operation, mostly so I don’t have to check this URL as one of the few I do so daily, but also so the writer’s delusion of accomplishment/pride/arrogance is finally over. It’s ultimately the same stuff over and over that’s posted here, for those who haven’t noticed that, and it’s disguised in a new way in each article. Do you honestly think you have something new to say, CH? Don’t answer that, please, spare yourself that trouble.
[CH: you’re free to stop torturing yourself any time, unless you like the whippings…]
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I know where there are some nice thick plate glass windows?
let me know if you lookin CH and I can hook you up
(scroll to 2:10)
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In a social setting, a man has some level of attraction to most of the women there. Consequently, his behavior will naturally communicate his interest in them. It can’t be helped; he’ll act differently than he would at a poker game with his buddies, or visiting his grandmother in the nursing home. Women receive this message from most men every day. Their natural response is rejection because common is low-value. But the man who pursues them indifferently, without communicating interest the normal way, is uncommon. He doesn’t trigger their natural rejection response because uncommon and indifferent combined equals high-value. Calibration is all about judging the amount & intensity of interest a woman normally receives from men, and appropriately turning down normal signals of interest and turning up signals of indifference.
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I really needed this article. In the last months I totally fucked up and thought women were only attracted to good looks.
I forgot how women are passive beings, needing to be told what to like.
I also fucked up in other areas like work, thinking that you couldn’t take the lead and splat your balls around like you are supposed to do.
Recently, I made out with 3 hotties in two weeks, and it happened only because I showed a huge amount of balls. Alcohol helped me a lot in doing what I did (just telling one of them, cuz it’s funny as fuck: I was insulting this white blonde metrosexual good looking guy and his korean hot gf. I was insulting the gf saying how she’s with him only cuz he’s white and she needs him in the western world, she was getting angry and I was just sitting there looking at her in amusement and horniness (like the famous CH guy who pulled out his dick at the feminist manifestation) then when she was starting to scream I just told her how I was joking, I told her:
“Relax I was just kidding, you look like you want to kiss me (she was 5 cm frommy face while I was smirking and she had this hyperadrenergical expression)”
Then she gave me a kiss on the cheek near my lips, I told her to sit on my lap and we asked her what was her name, and I told her I would never insult such a cute girl. Then I told her: “is this guy a friend of yours?” (referring to a gay WK friend of her who had insulted me during the discussion, saying I was racist and shit) -“He’s such a bitch” I said. Then the gay WK came to me and said: “say that to my face”, I got up and looked down at him, he was shitting in his pants, I pressed my index finger against his thorax, pushed him down the stairs and said “You are a bitch”, never seen him again.
Anyway, after this massive DHV guess what happened? The 8+ big titted slut friend of the group came to me and my friend and opened us, she was putting her hand on my forearms which were in a closed posture in crossed arms. She was constantly giving me stares while taking to my other friend. I noticed it and said: “yo, what’s your name?” “do you want to drink something at the bar?” bodylanguage was key here, I had a slight smirk and completely relaxed eyebrows, with a closed stare, and she mimicked my smirk like saying “I know you know what I’m thinking about you”. We get a drink with my friend who followed us, my friend turns to the dancehall and makes a few steps away. I tell her: “listen, Mary-Jane (or whatever the name), I want to kiss you” “whaaat? listen dude, you can’t just say that like this” said she while she was laughing, all of this was happening while I had my arm behind her back. THen I said “Come on, don’t pull this shit of playing hard to get with me”, “It’s just a friendship kiss, nothing to worry about”, then she gave me a kiss on the cheek, I pulled her with the arm and said “nooo, I wan’t to give you another kind of kiss”, while I was saying this, I saw that heavenly stare in her eyes that you see so rarely: a hot woman with semi-closed eyelids looking at your mouth and slightly opening her lips, and it lasted one second before we were grinding ourselves in front of the bar. I stop kissing her after like 10 seconds and say: “see? We just became more friends”. The godlike moment of alphaness came when my friend turned his head after other 10 seconds and saw the unbelievable scene: somebody grinding with a hottie after 10 minutes of getting to know her, not mentioning the bar servants and the people around us.
Apart from that, today I saw a guy from my gym dating a hottie at a bar. The guy is ok looking, he looks maybe a little gay-faced, with a huge forehead, but he has a vibe with women. I always see him talking to women at the gym, hot women, without any problem, while all the other phags (including me who, somehow, don’t have the balls to escalate / approach at the gym) are lifting and doing other pointless shit. I felt anger and jealousy, but also relief, because I know that it is really all about your social intelligence, which is hard a fuck to increase. I learned a lot of that in the years but it’s not a single variable, there are too many types of personality, since it’s creative, and it’s not all simplifable to “he has social intelligence” or “he’s a social retard”, because a lot of people couldn’t pull a lot of different types of game. Game is like humor, it’s adaptive and it’s creative, and so is charisma and personality and the ability to communicate.
tl;dr It’s all about balls in life, true balls, not the gay shit like jumping with a parachute, it’s about extroverting your will and your mind in a pro-active way, it’s about creating and interacting and stimulating and polarize.
I excuse myself for my broken english but I humbly hope that someone can find a few tips from my short story and thoughts, or even that someone can find it entertaining.
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I really needed this article. In the last months I totally fucked up and thought women were only attracted to good looks.
I forgot how women are passive beings, needing to be told what to like.
I also fucked up in other areas like work, thinking that you couldn’t take the lead and splat your balls around like you are supposed to do.
Recently, I made out with 3 hotties in two weeks, and it happened only because I showed a huge amount of balls. Alcohol helped me a lot in doing what I did (just telling one of them, cuz it’s funny as fuck: I was insulting this white blonde metrosexual good looking guy and his korean hot gf. I was insulting the gf saying how she’s with him only cuz he’s white and she needs him in the western world, she was getting angry and I was just sitting there looking at her in amusement and horniness (like the famous CH guy who pulled out his dick at the feminist manifestation) then when she was starting to scream I just told her how I was joking, I told her:
“Relax I was just kidding, you look like you want to kiss me (she was 5 cm frommy face while I was smirking and she had this hyperadrenergical expression)”
Then she gave me a kiss on the cheek near my lips, I told her to sit on my lap and we asked her what was her name, and I told her I would never insult such a cute girl. Then I told her: “is this guy a friend of yours?” (referring to a gay WK friend of her who had insulted me during the discussion, saying I was racist and shit) -“He’s such a bitch” I said. Then the gay WK came to me and said: “say that to my face”, I got up and looked down at him, he was shitting in his pants, I pressed my index finger against his thorax, pushed him down the stairs and said “You are a bitch”, never seen him again.
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She was constantly giving me stares while taking to my other friend. I noticed it and said: “yo, what’s your name?” “do you want to drink something at the bar?” bodylanguage was key here, I had a slight smirk and completely relaxed eyebrows, with a closed stare, and she mimicked my smirk like saying “I know you know what I’m thinking about you”. We get a drink with my friend who followed us, my friend turns to the dancehall and makes a few steps away. I tell her: “listen, Mary-Jane (or whatever the name)
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The 8+ big titted slut friend of the group came to me and my friend and opened us, she was putting her hand on my forearms
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the last comment goes above
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Apart from that, today I saw a guy from my gym dating a hottie at a bar. The guy is ok looking, he looks maybe a little gay-faced, with a huge forehead, but he has a vibe with women. I always see him talking to women at the gym, hot women, without any problem, while all the other phags (including me who, somehow, don’t have the balls to escalate / approach at the gym) are lifting and doing other pointless shit. I felt anger and jealousy, but also relief, because I know that it is really all about your social intelligence, which is hard a fuck to increase. I learned a lot of that in the years but it’s not a single variable, there are too many types of personality, since it’s creative, and it’s not all simplifable to “he has social intelligence” or “he’s a social retard”, because a lot of people couldn’t pull a lot of different types of game. Game is like humor, it’s adaptive and it’s creative, and so is charisma and personality and the ability to communicate.
tl;dr It’s all about balls in life, true balls, not the gay shit like jumping with a parachute, it’s about extroverting your will and your mind in a pro-active way, it’s about creating and interacting and stimulating and polarize.
I excuse myself for my broken english but I humbly hope that someone can find a few tips from my short story and thoughts, or even that someone can find it entertaining.
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I tell her: “listen, Mary-Jane (or whatever the name), I want to kiss you” “whaaat? listen dude, you can’t just say that like this” said she while she was laughing, all of this was happening while I had my arm behind her back. THen I said “Come on, don’t pull this shit of playing hard to get with me”, “It’s just a friendship kiss, nothing to worry about”, then she gave me a kiss on the cheek, I pulled her with the arm and said “nooo, I wan’t to give you another kind of kiss”, while I was saying this, I saw that heavenly stare in her eyes that you see so rarely: a hot woman with semi-closed eyelids looking at your mouth and slightly opening her lips, and it lasted one second before we were grinding ourselves in front of the bar. I stop kissing her after like 10 seconds and say: “see? We just became more friends”. The godlike moment of alphaness came when my friend turned his head after other 10 seconds and saw the unbelievable scene: somebody grinding with a hottie after 10 minutes of getting to know her, not mentioning the bar servants and the people around us.
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iudsf
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It is brutally difficult for me to approach at the gym. I guess I need to work more on my day game.
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Ask her a question.
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I didn’t realize that Christian McQueen had graced us with his presence. Perhaps “anal” can write a tome on larping. He ought to consult Laguna Beach Fogey for material.
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I need some advice. Had a one night stand last night with a hottie and wondering how to balance being aloof and cool(non-needy) with letting her know it’d be cool to bang again.
radio silence until she contacts me again or should I send a text telling her I had a good time hanging(banging) last night?
I was rock solid last night. frame control, check. alpha aloofness, check. fucked the shit out of her, check. totally non-needy or clingy, check.
have been a lurker for about three years now. first time asking for direct advice. thanks for any help.
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wait a week, then text her: “hey, come meet me at X”
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> ““hey, come meet me at X””
Not sure what “anal” is supposed to mean [other than that there won’t be any buns put in ovens], but study that particular wording: Betas ax questions, Alphas issue commands.
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appreciate that. my intuition said to not text her at all unless she initiated. but wasn’t sure cause I thought I’ve read theories here that not saying anything the next day would be construed as rude. cause she was really into me and in chase-mode.
she’s a few hours out of town but was talking about moving to my city in a few weeks
thanks again
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Zombie, I totally got the “betas ax, alpha issues commands” idea.
my problem is that I’m trying to calibrate by not being too alpha(aloof) because she was totally chasing me. I just don’t want to over compensate. (in regards to a post a few days ago about when to tone down ‘alpha/aloof’ into ‘comfort building’
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> “I’m trying to calibrate by not being too alpha(aloof)”
Do you have chemistry with this chick? How smart is she? How many orgasms did you give her? Do you miss her presence already? Can you see her being the mother of your children?
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Zombie-
chemistry: I fucked her within 3 hours of meeting(sober).
is she smart? 23yo about to sell her first house. reads. ex military(MP), rides a 1525cc bike but is feminine and dresses up and holds a good conversation.
orgasms: i gave her at least two
do I already miss her? no
mother of my children? no, just met her last night
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> “do I already miss her? no ; mother of my children? no, just met her last night”
Well, then let’s try the other extreme: How would your life be any different if you never saw or heard from her again?
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Zombie
my life wouldn’t be any different if I never saw her again. since I have no intrinsic importance invested in the outcome I’m not worried about trying different tactics. I really don’t care.
I’m trying to feel out if me not giving a shit either way and not contacting her unless she initiates contact is what would create the most attraction for her to me.
Thanks, I really appreciate your input
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> “I really don’t care.”
Ouch.
Are you thinking about becoming a sociopath?
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@Zombie
“I don’t really care”
just saying that I’m not outcome dependent.
would you call that being sociopathic?
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You met a nice girl, hawt, patriotic – might actually have her shit together – you hit it off immediately, to the point that within three hours you were fornicating like rabbits, and now it’s what – the next day? – and you don’t give a damn if you ever see or hear from her again?
That’s pretty cold, man. Did you even enjoy talking to her?
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are you on record as “pro outcome dependence”?
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oh and yeah I’m def tryin to see her again. that’s the whole point of asking your advice
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Aud, you may want to give Zombie’s line of questioning a little more thought. Answer them with your gut, not your brain.
Life isn’t a lab. Most of the happily married people I know, had a sense by the time they had sex, whenever that was, that they were keepers. It’s less than knowing for certain, but a few ticks above just chemistry.
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don’t text her, even if she’s into chase mode. I recently lost a great bang. A girl who I k-closed in the same night who was saying shit like “you are great” and practically masturbated on my body when we went to grind and kiss in the back of the bar. I later left her there after taking the number cuz the bar was closing and I wanted to go clubbing with friends (could have banged her maybe). I texted her like a retard the day after and then sent her 2 more single lines. At the third text I got no response anymore. Told her after a while to meet and she flaked.
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Thanks man
Since she’s a few hours away I’m not going to text her till she initiates.
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Tough break, bro. I’ve been in the same situation as you and learned from the mistake of taking the number when I should have pushed for the bang. Here’s what I do to when I encounter that situation now:
Next time, lead her away from her friends and get her ass in a taxi with you ASAP. I tell her that there’s gonna be an after-party back at my place and that I’ll text her friends the address. I take her phone from her and pretend to do that, but really, all I do is shut it off. At the same time, I’m distracting her by making out with her and groping her with my other hand so she forgets all about her phone. I keep it in my pocket and get busy with her during the rest of the cab ride. By this time, she’s so drunk and horny that it doesn’t occur to her that I still have her phone.
When we get back to my spot, I continue to make out with her and grab her ass before we take the elevator up to my pad. At this hour, the elevator’s always empty so I can pin her up against the wall and slide my hand down her dripping panties as I continue to make out with her. If you’re doing everything right, she’ll have at least one leg wrapped around you as you do this.
I like to sling her body over my shoulder as I walk out of the elevator and slap her ass a couple of times. I’ll crack a few jokes and keep the good vibes going as I carry her to the door. Once we’re inside, I throw her on the bed and the clothes come right off.
For me, the best part is seeing the split-second change in her facial expression as I slide my cock inside of her for the very first stroke. No matter how fucked up I am, I always listen for that soft moan that escapes their lips. Sometimes, I will go in super slow just to savor the moment. It’s slightly different for every girl, but it always happens.
After that, I rut like my life depends on it. If she’s screaming obscenities at the top of her lungs, I know I’m hitting it just right!
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@aud I am not so sure waiting a week is the right thing. You say she is really into you and she is chasing you? What do you want? Do you want to fuck her again? If that’s the case and she is into you. I would call her back the next day. Non needy just to say hello make sure she got home safe. Give her a little comfort. Then give her a little space for two days. That will give her time to miss you. Then set up the next date.
Remember you need to be giving her the range of emotions making her feel good and bad. This way she is feeling comfort, validation, missing you or longing, relief when you call her, excitement and anticipation of your next meeting. That range of emotions is what will keep her interested and wanting more.
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Reco, thanks for the input. I’d def not have a problem calling or texting her(in a non needy/aloof manner) or the opposite, not communicating at all and waiting for her to initiate. as a base strategy I’m not sure which of the two is the best option.
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“Remember you need to be giving her the range of emotions making her feel good and bad. This way she is feeling comfort, validation, missing you or longing, relief when you call her, excitement and anticipation of your next meeting. That range of emotions is what will keep her interested and wanting more.”
Excellent advice Reco.
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@Audspgheti It’s always a good idea after one night stand/Same Day Lay to send some type of comfort text: “Hope you didn’t get kidnapped on the way home” some shit like this.
it’s not beta, it’s just good game balancing the aloof with the lure that you’re a good guy.
Remember that women say they want a “nice guy” but always fuck the aloof alpha.
If you can find a way to show that you’re human while at the same time being the busy, passionate aloof alpha then it will work.
When I’ve done this, it’s worked. When I’ve banged them and then waited a week their ASD kicks in and they get buyer’s remorse.
It can be playful and fun, but just send some type of ping text and gauge her interest from there.
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Thanks man. I’ve been reading you for a while now. you’re one of the handful I keep my eye on when you post.
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Agreed. However, I’ve found that not calling a broad when you finally kill it after 2-3 dates is catnip. YMMV
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@Audspgheti It’s always a good idea after one night stand/Same Day Lay to send some type of comfort text: “Hope you didn’t get kidnapped on the way home” some shit like this.
And don’t forget to schedule an appointment for a check up at the local VD clinic.
Wait, that was harsh… after all, I’m sure this was just her first time doing that sort of thing, and your charm simply swept her off her feet and made her act out of character.
Dutch uncle time:
Madonne, are you fools so starved for a piece of ass that you’ll nail any damn thing?
These days, the downside to physical and emotional health when dealing with floozies is just too steep.
What’s it going to take, some chronic case of herpes (if you’re lucky) before you wake up to yourselves?
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
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@greg
yeah she was a virgin.
and my pervasive charm inoculates my junk
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I’m sure of that… just by your use of the word “junk”.
South Park Ranger rides again, eh kid?
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Those military bitches are high T. She just wanted a fuck and you happened to not mess it up. Regardless of how good you were she will not call you or text you. However you ran into her, tinder or whatever online service create a fake profile and see if shes up for a bang, chances are she is. So it goes back to the age old question of how do you make someone care for you when they dont… You cant. And shes trouble anyways, know the type well… If she does ever reach out to you give her the who is this? No I dont remember anyone named so and so, how did you get my number; routine to teach her a lesson… Even if you and her become BF/GF she will cheat on you and you will end up paying for someone elses bastard spawn.
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that’s def the vibe I got from her. at least by proxy. she’s feminine and her vernacular is polite and not agressive BUT she rides a 1525cc bike, owns her own house, travels and being single, is her “own woman” at 23yo.
which is why I went total aloof/charismatic when talking with her and when we went to bed, total caveman. and she took whatever I gave her with total compliance.
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I bet that bitch even responds to craigslist ads. blah. Maybe even like on the tinderfessions where the bitches are fucking 2-5 dudes a night.
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> “owns her own house… is her “own woman” at 23yo…”
You wanna distinguish yourself from the other losers she’s fucking right now? Start talking to her about having children.
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About how they will need to be raised in a [rural] Whiteopia, away from the chimpanzees and armadillos and sodomites. About homeschooling. About sports teams and music lessons and [White not armadillo] foreign language lessons.
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And if she’s game for talking kids, then get her in the mood, and she’s all blah blah blah blah full-on high-Estrogen and then suddenly you switch on a dime and look her square in the eye and in deep raspy Dirty Harry voice you say: “Okay, let’s suppose it’s ten years from now and we have four or five children and I decide to give them all a cheek swab and send it off to the DNA lab.”
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“Then what’s the probability that the DNA lab will say that they’re all my children? Cause I ain’t into that cuckoldry scene. If I find out that I’ve been raising another man’s children, then I’ll rip you limb from limb and dump what’s left of you in the swamp for the crawdads and the snapping turtles to feast on.”
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“And once we’ve had kids, don’t even think about going to some femcunt family lawyer and getting custody of them. Cause if anyone tries to take my children away from me, then we’re back to feeding the crawdads and the snapping turtles.”
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SRSLY – don’t talk about banal vapid asinine juvenile horseshit with some chick who has already fucked half the 2nd Cavalry – both male and female [all those Army chicks are Bi]. Hell, there’s a good chance that she’s fucked dudes who aren’t even alive anymore because they were murdered by towelheads. Lay down the law here. Make it real with this chick. SRSLY.
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And tell her that when you are with your daughters at a softball game, that she is to keep her God-damned clitoris in her God-damned pants, and that if she starts secretly carpet-cleaning one of the other softball Moms without first getting your permission, then you will beat her black and blue. Dittos with the church Moms at whichever Evangelical church you decide to join. LAY. DOWN. THE. LAW.
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Any kid that is had with a woman like this should be dna tested in clandestine. In some states you are on the hook for child support regardless. Know state laws before you start impregnating bitches.
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> “oh and yeah I’m def tryin to see her again.”
I don’t get it – you just finished saying “my life wouldn’t be any different if I never saw her again”. So why do you now suddenly want to see her again?
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Sorry – that one’s out of order – but WordPress won’t let me repeat it anywhere else.
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thanks for the feedback man
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Dude, why don’t you follow your own advice and just make AudioSpaghetti’s one night stand chick your personal mistress. WAY too much vested interest in her well-being to simply “not care”.
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Spaghetti – just a few closing thoughts. I’m pushing this because everything you’ve told me about this chick is such a huge thumbs up [especially the fact that she’s so mature at such a young age and she has her financial house in order], that I feel like there’s an outside chance that she could be a keeper [especially vis-a-vis the majority of worthless good-for-nothing whores her age].
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As above, even in peacetime, just about all Army chicks are going to BOTH nymphomaniacs AND bisexual. But the other phenomenon which you might be too young to remember was what was known, in the immediate aftermath of 9-11, as “Terror Sex”; folks were even wondering whether “Terror Sex” might lead to a mini-Baby Boom about nine months after 9-11:
https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&q=%2B%22terror+sex%22+%2B%222001%22
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@Zombie
thanks for taking the time to clarify your thoughts.
I’ve read your posts for a while now and appreciate your help.
I did end up texting her and posted it up. not sure if you saw it.
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LIFO’ed, but just try to understand that that’s the milieu which she will be coming out of, so that if you decide that she might be a keeper, and if the USA can get a few years of peacetime and normalcy here, then you are going to have to guide her out of that milieu and back into sanity. And, of course, I would NEVER inquire about any of this – just go ahead and assume that she engaged in all of that tawdry shit in her past.
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Finally, if it starts to seem like she might be a keeper, and you start to develop feelings for her, then continue to HOLD ALPHA FRAME! Do not let your guard down and get all Beta and supplicating and wishy-washy. With just a glance of your eyes, or a shoulder rub, or a foot massage, or a kiss on the small of her neck, you can convey all of that lovey dovey horseshit which betas make the [fatal] mistake of verbalizing.
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Stand tall. Stand firm. Stand erect. Rock of Gibraltar. HOLD ALPHA FRAME!!!
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Spaghetti – some stuff below on DOD rejection rates. Also, here’s a new article today on the overwhelming allure of “Terror Sex” – bitch quit her job at the Washington Post in order to get in on that action:
http://nypost.com/2014/06/29/the-green-beret-soldier-who-went-native-in-afghanistan/
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dude, just text her tomorrow and tell her to meet. If she wants it’s cool, if she doesn’t who gives a fuck. Eventually you might meet her randomly again and, if you didn’t text her, she’s gonna want to fuck you again
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@audspheti Just an update. The 23 year old I gamed and k-closed on Thursday. I did send a follow up text after about getting home safe. I then shot her a “drinks?” text for Friday…busy.
Then she texted me today asking to go see a movie. I was busy, suggested next week. She said today was the only night for that movie.
I suggested she come over and we’ll cook. She agreed.
So…the thing here is if a girl is interested, she’ll make the effort. Game is a way of prompting that effort but she has to do it on her own.
I had another girl I was trying to get out and it just didn’t happen. No amount of game would make that work.
So…the “plate theory” holds. It’s more for your own sanity than anything else: option = confidence.
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@Wala
i did end up shooting her a text last night
me: hope you made it home before your sisters offspring drove you crazy
her: 1 min later “Haha i slept most of the way back & made her drive. You didn’t pass out at work did you?”
me: 8 min later “nah I handled that shit like a rented mule”
her: 1 min later “Yeah, it’s never good to be a pussy about it.”
I left it at that
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@Wala
also, she’s 3 or 4 hours away. probably moving here in a few weeks/months.
so I can’t just shoot her a text telling her to meet up. yet.
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@audspehti Right…and she replied in a minute. Nothing beta about that exchange. Point here is that calibrating things is vital. I used to over-game.
There is a time to do this—when the girl is being a complete cunt…but in your case seems like she’s ok. You want to spin a few plates. This will be one to keep.
I used to bang a flight attendant this way. I gamed her hard for 4 months. Then started banging her for another 6. Then she moved away. We’re still now friends. I see her once a year and she is always great, takes me around, friendly. But since she’s older now and out of my target range it’s just good to have someone to hang with when im in that city.
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dam wala why don’t ya come back to the states and ruin some American college bitches and leave the Chinese chicks alone
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actually just scares me that the Chinese chicks you hangin with seem like the us
I guess 2 billion more
but man the whole world gonna be same I guess been predicted just going fast
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@gunslinger Chinese chicks ARE just like American girls. I find there is very little difference in running game here from what you guys suggest in the US.
Here the local guys are all about LTR’s and usually become beta orbiters who buy their way into girls’ panties.
So many girls have a sense of entitlement. Game actually changes this by reversing their “NO Filter”…
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Spaghetti – I just noticed this WSJ article, from a couple of days ago:
Recruits’ Ineligibility Tests the Military
More Than Two-Thirds of American Youth Wouldn’t Qualify for Service, Pentagon Says
http://online.wsj.com/articles/recruits-ineligibility-tests-the-military-1403909945?mod=WSJ_hppMIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond
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@zombie
I saw that the other day. disgusting.
even worse – saw an article regarding new female marine recruits. the army dumbed down the PT for the women and they still can’t pass. so the army is dumbing it down further and considering, for female marine recruits, one fucking pull-up would be enough to pass PT.
seriously. “we don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings Spgheti and Zombie, so your fellow “infantrymen” on your left and right are a fat chick named grenade and a post-op tyranny that you’ll babysit”
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CONT: “The military deems many youngsters ineligible due to obesity, lack of a high-school diploma, felony convictions and prescription-drug use for attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder. But others are now also running afoul of standards for appearance amid the growing popularity of large-scale tattoos and devices called ear gauges that create large holes in earlobes…”
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Spaghetti – I’ve got a couple of posts in moderation and in LIFO about the battery of tests which she had to pass in order to get into [and remain in] the DOD.
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@wala
@zombie
thanks guys. appreciate all your help.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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[…] I could go into more detail about this, but Heartiste already has that covered. As we often find, psychology often just validates what we already […]
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“Miserable, bitter fatties who can’t stand to see other people happy.”
… and I see the umpteenth example of crackie showing his pimp hand …
Confirmation bias, I guess.
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any of you read the science on celery and how munching on it can release chemicals that make women more attracted to you and arouse you simultaneously?
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No
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Time to Man up! http://elitedaily.com/envision/the-latest-trend-for-bridesmaids-is-to-pull-up-their-dresses-and-show-off-their-butts-photos/645024/
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Just saw this little gem: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/help-im-marrying-166k-student-110000490.html
etc etc. So he’s been with her five years, scrimped and saved and paid down his debt for three, while in the meantime she’s let her debt balloon. Looking good so far? OK dude, they don’t mention it in the article, but if you start paying off her debt, you won’t see a cent if you break up. And expect to keep paying if she gets a divorce.
Think twice before you do a bitch bailout.
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What a disaster. If she’s been undisciplined about paying it down in the five years he’s known her, she’s not going to get any better if they get married, she’ll get worse. At the very least, he should put her on a two year austerity budget and tell her that if she doesn’t follow it he won’t even consider marriage.
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I am not sure if you got the memo that having a higher SMV than your significant other is an ATM machine. She doesn’t have to worry about money.
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True, but having that attitude is what makes you lower value in the first place.
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Game is social savviness.
Which is how we know PA has none.
Too buys studying those photos of the twin towers falling and screaming “Bush and the joos! Bush and the joos!”
Liar rape!
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Wolfowitzfinder it too busy hiding those photos of the twin towers (and WTC7) falling and mewling “how dare you question the government!”
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Watch this. It’s 58 minutes long.
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It’s “Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth.” No conspiracy theories, no speculations. Just a look at evidence that points toward controlled demolition of both WTC towers and WTC7.
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lmao.
Note how the gamma-commie continues to double down on his 9/11 insanity. Almost like he’s too stupid to know it sounds insane…..
Insanity rape!
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What to do, what to do… listen to the little worm who blubbers “don’t you dare question the government,” or find an hour to watch the video for oneself.
I didn’t think much over the 911 truth movement either way, and in fact tended to dismiss those who question NIST’s official explanation as crazy or partisan. Until last year I watched the AE911 Truth video I linked above (the 58-min version).
It’s not my intent to comment a whole lot on this subject here. Race, Game, humor and metaphysics is still my thing. But the subject came up somehow recently, and the least I can do is pass along a credible argument, via the link above, about what has probably been the most significant event in our lifetimes.
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PA, wasn’t this 9/11 bullshit already addressed on a recent previous thread?
If you’re not going to listen and just repost the same folderol on later threads, you’re no better than thwack and his inanity.
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It wasn’t. I just saw you responding with “nonsense; go look it up.”
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The f#ck it wasn’t… a slew of “expert videos” gainsaying your usual 58 minute posting is at the fingertips of anyone who can google.
Wagner fan or no, you’re dead to me.
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
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I didn’t see any comments or videos refuting my argument. Maybe they were in mod when I was reading.
Regardless, as I said above, I’m not going to comment a whole lot here on that subject. The video I posted above should be the starting point of anyone who wants to itelligeny talk about what happened to the WTC.
I want the official story to be true because I don’t want both major parties of my government to be a bunch of sociopathic criminals who should be hanged but will probably just die old and rich.
But for my part, watching the three WTC budings fall instantenously, in near-perfect symmetry, and with no internal delay or resistance, makes it fucking obvious that only an obstinate fool or an old man unwilling to destroy his worldview would insist on seeing no evil.
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Guys. come the fuck on. Go get a room or something, but for the love of God, please take this shit elsewhere!
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I wish PA would take it somewhere else. And stop this silly charade of being one of us.
But until people he admits to–and people see–his true nature, I will not stop exposing the truth about him.
PA is a liar, a gamma-commie, and a squealer, as sure as AL Sharpton, one of his heroes, is a liar, a drug dealer, and a race-riot starter.
Truth rape!
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being one of us
A neocon monkey? nah, that’s all you
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I will not stop exposing the truth about him
Oh, you’ve been exposed, all right.
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Add value to discourse, whorefinder
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whorefinder rape!
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lmao. oh poor wittle 9/11 troofers. trying so desperately for proof by assertion. Can’t wait for their arguments that we didn’t land on the moon, either.
Conspiracy theoriest rape!
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You guys know that old joke about the hunter and the bear? The short version: a hunter goes into the woods to kill a bear. The bear surprises him though, and greatly annoyed with the hunter’s intention of shooting him, tells the hunter to get on his knees and suck him off.
The hunter returns to the woods, angrier than ever. This time, he will really get that bear! But the bear gets him and once again makes the hunter blow him. This repeats several times, each excursion into the woods ending the same way.
Finally, some tenth or so time, when the foiled hunter once again descends to his knees to service the bear, the bear says “you know, I’m starting to think you’re not in this for the hunting…”
This, ladies and gentlemen, is our neocon monkey whorefinder. He goes in, does his “bait daddy” thing, and leaves not only humiliated by me, but also less liked, each time, by commenters who previously were his fans.
In short, it’s apparent that like the bear hunter, the little twerp gets a masochistic thrill from being shit on.
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One thing that I’ve noticed in my life and that I’m going to try to do more of is toget involved with as many activities as possible.
This way you meet girls without coming off as “creepy” or gaming too hard such as what happens at the gym a lot…
Get involved with a volunteer thing or a club and there will naturally be girls there where you will ‘naturally’ be able to game
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Check it out…great video on AMOGING and calibration. Tyler uses all the AMOG crushing strategies on this guy who runs off in the end. Also a great illustration of the contrasts between red pill and blue pill thinking…
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@walawala,
You consider that weak-ass pussy an ‘AMOG’? Some intoxicated twerp stepping out to have a cig?
Why would one even acknowledge his existence, much less engage him? What man in his right mind would engage that guy in real life? What a waste of energy (unless one is filming a video to make a point to one’s potential customers about how best to frame one’s perspective in life).
But, AMOG? Most decidedly, no. Dork, yes.
Scratching ma’ head.
I finally I understand the plight of this site’s readership, and its sad suckling at the teat of circus clown video clips.
For you guys who view THIS guy as an AMOG, grow a pair.
Unbelievable.
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go back to puahat, retard
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well i take is point on that guy not being anything near an amog. if you cant handle this guy you will get absolutely destroyed by proper socially savvy guys
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Gonna have to agree here…this amounted to “Tyler Durden” picking on a weak loser for no reason other than to pimp in front of a camera. lol if you think dude was an AMOG
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ah generally fuck all owen cook shit the amount of fanboy-dom for this sperg whos trying to bilk yall for cash is embarrassing
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I finally I understand the plight of this site’s readership, and its sad suckling at the teat of circus clown video clips.
For you guys who view THIS guy as an AMOG, grow a pair.
Unbelievable.
Thank you.
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Geez, Louise… THIS is the guy you PUA’s hold up as a teacher?
The mountains on all the cans in case of Coors Lite I just walked by at the beer distributor turned blue from the radiated douche chills.
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
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yea eliot I don’t think you understand how bad it is for some dudes
whatever gets em out the shell
I go city there is always this one dude there he even in shape and shit dresses fucked up though never has a girl never dances with girl just always at the club
but then the last time he actually had a fat bitch he was dancing with but that is in two years to get a fat bitch
so yea some people need some serious help
and no it doesn’t come naturally to realize how to get what they want
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society don’t kill these type of people or condone them committing suicide so probably a good thing someone is trying to help them don’t ya think?
or should we just laugh at them?
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agree with Greg on this one.
the video can be analyzed from different angles and can be both stupid and an effective teaching tool at the same time.
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yea eliot I don’t think you understand how bad it is for some dudes
whatever gets em out the shell
Maybe you’re right, and my lack of empathy stems from having no frame of reference on how “bad it is for some dudes”.
I thank you for that insight…
You’ve given me something weighty to consider… I’ll have to rethink the Dutch Uncle tactic of awakening these young men from their loved Egyptian night.
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While I’m glad his ilk doesn’t really exist in my country, if you do what both the chode or Owen did, you’d run a definite risk of getting punched in the face. The appropriate attitude would have been to just tell him to piss off in a condescending tone and be done with it.
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A good video on how to disarm an AMOG (a lightweight version of one in this case). Some thoughts:
– Tyler’s technique was flawlessly executed. Even when he stammered a bit at one point from talking too fast, he held the frame.
– He spoke loudly and clearly; here was a performance-art element to his talking: he was entertaining the crowd, thus getting the numbers on his side if it came to a fight. Tyler had “backup” and “the Chode” sensed it, which unnerved him.
– Nice use of moral highground language by Tyler; paraphrasing: “you are one of those guys who has to attack weak-minded people”
– As to push/pull, Tyler did lead him along by generously framing the Chode as a strong-minded guy, but one who is abusive to weak-minded people. But the subiminal take-away for the audience and even the Chode was a frame in which Tyler is strong-minded, and the Chode is weak.
– Getting into the Chode’s personal space and touching him was a devastating frame-control technique but he could do withut risking a fight because the Chode was a small, drunk kid. With a larger, hot-tempered AMOG he’d have gotten punched at that point.
– Tyer’s performance surely was fueled by a latent sadistic streak that comes out to play when provoked by a pathetic adversary. LOL, that’s just like me abusing the neocon monkey slightly upthread.
Also, some observations on the Chode:
– The educational element of the video is two-fold: (1) If you want to start something, be fairly sure you can finish it. (2) Never get yourself into a match of wits when drunk.
– A note of understanding, if not a bit of sympathy to the Chode: lots of men get irritated by men who act silly or mildly effeminate. All the Chode did was vocalize his mild irritation. He sure didn’t think of the consequences.
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dude was a butt-hurt beta. not worth a glance.
learn to discern.
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Still mad?
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I think the people in his immediate vicinity were on his side
note in beginning brown hair chick walks up to the dude to defend him he pushes her back I think big dude to left is also his security
but yea I did like the pushing her back
whenever fights go down I do same shit with my girl keep her out of harms way
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– One other thing in qualified support for the Chode: despite being drunk and mentally intimidated, he didn’t do too badly in terms of getting away from Tyler’s frame. Tyler was shivving him with rapid-fire questions and more aggressive forms of physical contact, which the Chode did OK in side-stepping.
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@PA great post.
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here is how I handled chode last night in the big city club
so I am walking through club leading the way
my girl got her hand on my shoulder
she said some dude put his hand on hers
she lifted it off he put it on again
she said she told him you don’t put your hands on another dudes bitch
he did it again
so she pulled me around
she said this dude touching me and I told him not to put his hands on me
so I put the dude in the instant headlock
I guess first words were what you had your hand on my bitch
he like apologizing profusely
my girl like don’t beat him up
made another dude apologize back into his moms womb and shit
but yea wtf
earlier at an amusement park
bitch was all up on my chicks but lol my chick stepped back on her foot
bitch started getting loud
her dude there
i’m like we got a problem
he like no we don’t have a problem
but yea it was weird day in that way lol
there was even more my bitch was making people lose their fucking minds yesterday
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so I guess if a dude got you snatched up and you go limp and just keep apologizing it works to not provoke the dude to smash your face
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black chick was eyeing me on dancefloor started walking towards me and shit a bit after my chick went to bathroom
then in bathroom tells my chick you can’t dance vulgar like that on the dance floor and grind like that
my chick like last I checked over 21 in the club we adults
she wanted to fight her lol
my chick tells her she ain’t scared she don’t back down from dudes not gonna back down from her
and my dude right outside
chick like so your dude gonna fight me
lol
they came out and no more problems
but yea we had em taking the cameras out and shit lol
got a lot of cheers from the people who could handle the jealousy he he he
I love dirty dancing he he he
according to a movie though ya know that black chick would of spent the time and taught us how to dance
I guess I should of been more inclusive with her
lolzoolzozlzozlzozlzozlzolzz
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hot chicks don’t want bad boys they need bad boys
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Seriously, give it up, Tyler had to work all night before getting his “mark”.
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Actually, I thought it was a great example of keeping cool under pressure, of maintaining your frame.
The chode, as he is called, was chiding him, directly and blunting insulting him, and he did not get pissed, he did not get flustered. He kept an upbeat mindset and demeanor as he engaged the guy, challenging his assumptions.
I honestly don’t know how much of this Tyler guy is real or not. I have seen some of his other videos and I go back and forth on his spiel.
HOWEVER, this video was instructive in not allowing someone’s negativity and criticism affect your energy and confidence.
The chode seemed to me to be the living example of the crabs in a bucket metaphor, where one guy is successful with other women in a way he is not, so he tries to attack the method rather than argue with the result, dragging guys back down to their level.
The key to the video is the insults. When the guys calls him a “douche”, he at least is making an argument about his method, claiming it was pathetic/inappropriate.
When he went the “balding ginger” route, it became obvious he was doing exactly what Tyler says he was doing. He was trying to cripple the competition by attacking his confidence and claiming he was effectively operating out of his league.
Fuck ’em!
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Of course there are two things NOT shown in the video–there were two dozen retakes because Tyler got his ass verbally handed to him before getting his “mark” and the “chode” came back five minutes later to punch him and the camera crew in the mouth.
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The take away that I took from this clip is that the “WhiteKnight” perceived himself as higher status/more dominant than Tyler and used the feminist/whiteknight “schema” to try and prosecute his dominance over Tyler through argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schema_(psychology)
It is essentially a kind of rationalisation for the purposes of achieving social dominance over others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(making_excuses)
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Mid Game FR and advice needed. I have this small activity group been going to for about a year. It is not geared toward socializing per se and is a Hodge podge of people. I have been in a leadership position for a while but people there only know my beta self. But there is this one cute chick about 34YO professional divorced from what sounds like the typical loser Alpha and she is not bad looking probably heavier than she used to be. A little tall for my tastes but she is athletic and played competitive volleyball on a major college team years ago and still plays quite a bit. She has been nice and fun but kind of aloof. I never really tried to game her but I got this text from her today and I thought WTF. She sends me a link that would be of interest to me like an article. However there are other articles below it that show some things of a sexual nature. Not porn stuff but new agey self help type of stuff. Here is the following text exchange this morning:
Her: Some fun info I just ran accross (the link)
Me: (Her name)…I didnt know you were fun? lol
Me: Good stuff
Her: Hey! Im fun!🙂
Me: Haha…I like
Her: Were meeting today right?
Me: Thats what i have
Her: Ok see u there
Me;)
Her: I’ll try to bring fun (her name)😀 (this text was much later after hamster roll)
Me:Well see🙂 (sent after waiting a while)
So what do you guys think? Did i respond ok? Should I be more flirty and sexual? What would you guys have responded with? I have the time to invite her for drinks after the meeting. I believe that is what I will do. There is not much opportunity to flirt during the meeting so it would have to be after.
Any advice. Leaving for group meeting in about an hour. lol
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Hey guys, been reading the blog and comments for a while now and it really helped me. I’m 28yo and trying to learn some game. Maybe some of you can help me out on this one:
Met a girl in college, I was one of her supervisors, she was attracted from the start. We did some accidental touching and went skiing together a few weeks later with her friends. At night we went to a bar, and even though I stared here down for 5 minutes I didn’t escalate. I totally fucked it up, I should have done it cause I’m sensing that the window might have been shut.
After the skiing we chatted a bit and I suggested a meetup to which she didn’t reply. I didn’t write her for about 2 weeks but then started to text again, basically just asking what’s up. She replied kindly and told me what she is doing. She’s out of town seeing her boyfriend.
My thoughts would be to press for a date but keep it fun with the text not subcommunicating that I’m trying to fuck her. On the date I will escalate and see how far I can go.
Any ideas?
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In my experience, they don’t text back if they’re not interested. Well actually, they do sometimes blow off a laconic “hello” or “hi” but ignoring anything more than that is a bad sign. However, she did mention seeing her boyfriend, which may be a way of telling you that you’re out. Wait a couple weeks and try again. THEN if she doesn’t text back, you’ll know for sure that you’re out.
In the meantime, don’t let her become oneitis and keep hitting up other girls.
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I would write this one off and focus on new girls. Sounds kind of blunt but if you think about it, the window to escalate has slammed shut and she probably no longer sees you as a romantic prospect.
Add the boyfriend in and you have your work cut out for you to the point that if you did a cost-benefit analysis of the situ then the answer would be to go out and game more girls.
How do you get this one girl? By learning how to get with girls in general.
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@immoral gaming girls with bf’s is a general waste of time…what happens is if they do break up after you bang them they feel guilty and you end up the rebound guy.
My crazy ex gf was hit on by a kind of loser player guy. She went out with him. When I found out, I accused her of cheating. She felt bad and we broke up 2 weeks later. She’s kind of with this guy but it looks more like an orbiter relationship.
Unless this is a kind of random chick with a bf if it’s someone you know then it becomes awkward.
There is a girl with a bf who gives me IOI’s all the time but then when I did escalate—same thing, loves the danger of the gaming but is afraid to meet up.
Best to move on and if you do see her out and about re-engage.
I’ve found with girls I’m gaming if they act up in any way and I disappear, generally they’re more inclined to be receptive to game if you don’t see them for a while.
It’s counter-intuitive but create mystery and disappear. It feels weird because they may think you’re with tons of chicks or busy but if you’re not…you feel like crap.
Solution is to keep busy, find a way in your mind to forget her and she will re-engage.
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try trolling her on social media and trying to see if she says going to xyz bar tonight or abc party with the girls or something like that. Chances are her or one of her dumb friends will advertise where they are going. then go there and get wasted with her. put it in her butt. that is all.
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@walawala: thanks, that sounds like solid advice! Abundance mentality and move on. It’s probably right that I’d be about to face trouble if I try to steal her from the bf. It’s not worth the hassle. One thing: I did know about the bf a couple of days after we met. At first she was trying to hide him but then some bitch told me in front of her. That was kind of akward, you should have seen her face.
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Yes…it’s called “hypergamy” women are always covering up their bf’s so they can get attention and possibly trade up.
The downside is if you don’t understand this whole advanced concept you end up friendzoned as an orbiter and an emotional tampon for the girl to dump on you about her bf.
My crazy ex gf has an orbiter who to make a long story short made a public scene in which he made some pointed references to me being mean to some girl…ie her. So she’s been feeding him the “He was so mean to me…feel sorry for me….” thing.
It’s a great way for a girl to get attention and not have to fuck a guy.
Read up on hypergamy.
I’m gaming a girl who has a gf but it’s very occasional…when we meet and it’s not a priority for me.
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@ walawala: Oh yeah, in retrospection it’s exactly that hypergamy thing. I’ve been reading Rollo’s blog intensively the last couple of months and it’s ridiculous how almost every aspect in life has changed for me.
That girl even asked me a lot of question gauging my provider skills. She was asking in what subject I’m exceptionally, admiring my skiing skills, complaining that her bike was broken and she had no one to fix it, etc. I passed these tests by ignoring, making fun of her and so on. It felt awesome, especiallly when I could see her hamster getting into overdrive.
However, oftentimes I’m struggling in the moment to evaluate the situation, it’s not programmed into my hardware yet…
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@heyjay yes I still have this thing when I’m talking to a hot girl that maybe if I say something “bad” she might walk away.
Depends on my mood at the time. When I truly don’t care and it’s an inner confidence thing…then I can say what I want and it usually works out.
if I’m somehow subcommunicating a sense of neediness or fear of loss…then yes I get walked over or the shit-testing becomes more intense.
This all take practice and is mind over matter. I’ve stopped thinking in terms of loss and reframed this in terms of opportunity. That’s helped me.
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@walawala: good idea to reframe it, I’ll try and adopt this mindset!
Thanks again for your advice it’s been really helpful. The theory is easy but you need a whole lot of practice.
I’ll leave this particular girl alone you were right it’s not worth it.
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A girl who is into you the ‘healthy’ or correct amount will make herself available. Probably not covertly communicate a ‘no’ by saying she has a boyfriend. In my experience the girl will actually break up with her boyfriend and advertise herself as available to you or the one she is interested in. I.e. Be fun flirty and talkative
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Not so. Women are like monkeys in a tree – they don’t let go of one branch until they have another in hand. Any ordinary guy – would say – Oh-she has a BF – aw, shucks – and start their pining for her. Now you’re in the wet tissue brigade. Your typical saga.
She was sharpening her claws on you. Maybe the one thing you have going for you is that you didn’t escalate – and that intrigued her. Spiked her feline curiosity.
Play with that. Tease her for being a bad flirt, a temptress and a prude. Ask her if she has any slutty friends she could set you up with – because you’ve run through all the local ones – and she’s not moved yet. Make her jealous.
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OT:
Fanatical Progressives and Apocalyptic Conservatives: United under Nihilism
http://preview.tinyurl.com/United-under-Nihilism
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wtf they made a movie on game called the story of luke
dude says he got to pretend to be normal to try to get a chick and she still didn’t want him
my girl was like when you say some the dude can’t get girls you mean they can’t get the girls they want right?
Cause any dude can get a girl she just might be fat or ugly
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Interesting. The smoking-hot lesbian I mentioned several months ago, and whose number I got a couple of months ago, and whom I have been flirting back and forth with and kinoing, came out to me and another friend last night — by which I mean she stated she is in fact attracted to men. Also, the “wife” she had since I met her (last fall) has become her “ex” at some point in the last couple of weeks. Not sure if she’s still planning on moving to California at the end of the summer, although that’s where her now-ex is from.
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The obvious expectations as with all crazy chicks – borderline personality disorder [BPD], manic depression [BiPolar], substance abuse, stealing money, massive daddy issues, self-harm and threats of suicide, etc etc etc.
Lay down the law: Absolutely no cuckoldry, keep your clitoris in your pants, no carpet cleaning without your prior permission, obviously no mudsharkery [to include no Obama stickers on her car], etc etc etc…
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savvy on flowers maybe lol
so i’m driving I see some white flowers then some more so I pull over on highway
my chick like you got to go pee i’m like yea I pick her some bring em back he he he
but yea then we get in traffic jam for some miles
every so often I see some new flower and I have her jump out and grab it
get to one a little further back and she stops can’t get to it I go out wade through the deep grass and down the steep incline and get some
sometimes a leader got to do what a leader got to do
she ended up with a nice bouquet of flowers cost 0
just remembered the picking of corn had an impact so looking for spontaneous things to do
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“Social capital is crucially important. Many men who turn to game have never properly embedded themselves in a social network or community of close friends and relatives – these are the proper avenues to learn how to deal with men and women.”
Ricky, can you expand on this a bit?
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@ Heyjay – have to agree with Immoralgables & corvinus
Sounds like the opportunistic moment passed you by. Don’t beat yourself up, we’ve all done it. Alphas act quickly and decisively when the moment arises.
@immoralgables – your day 2 sticking point is similar (just in reverse to mine). I have no issue approaching at night (still struggling with day) and getting a day 2 if no SNL. For a more detailed FR read my recent post on RooshV’s last post.
During my day 2/3’s I seem to leak previous blue pill beta stink by overbuilding the comfort stage (aka Mystery M) – which in hindsight must be in-congruent with my initial attraction Game and end Game escalation.
My last bang (non drinking Persian HB8) from initial “hey” to blowing my load took ~10 hours by the day 4 (Roosh recommends allowing 5 days for non drinkers) with what seemed like all the shit tests you’ve encountered plus 50 more including 10 goes at getting her pants off! lol.
My Game learning curve and in-field calibration screams at me when confronted by shit tests ASD and LMR is to ignore/agree amplify – keep plowing till she stops you, then just back off enough to escalate and try again until you get what you want. THEY WANT PERSISTENCE.
Interestingly, after I banged my target,she even told me she was ‘testing me’ to see if I was the right choice. In other words, she knew she wanted to fuck me when I said “hey” but had to see if I could pass all her shit tests before fucking her.
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nice and nice on getting her to talk about that real shit
that is rapport right there
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Nice work dude! And thanks for your advice.
Yeah, I might have missed the window and I’ll be moving on. She’s still answering my texts though so I might get a chance later. Until then I’ll disappear and spin some plates.
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Go to youtube and check out the following musical pieces:
– Wagner, Tannhauser
– Tchaikovski, Piano Concerto No. 1. See the performance directed by Herbert von Krajan
– Chopin, any Nocturne
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is that what an alpha would do? If yes, I’m definitelly checking out the mentioned musical pieces
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effete game?
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well less than week of driving in the summer already got my first no real reason police stop but yea good i’m not the below morons
yesterday we at gas station and cops had someone pulled over in the gas station
my girl goes in to pay and chick at register tells her the dudes got stopped with three bricks I guess kilos of heroine in their car
and that you could see them on camera all drinking tall boy beers in that car with the shit in it lol
wtf
chick even carried bag of ice to car for my chick he he he
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cooler in car with ice definetly saves loot on buying cold 20 ounce and more convenient
going to waterpark
told my chick if anyone tries to touch her scream rape
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well guys it seems the lazy river at waterpark is place to pick up lifeguard chicks anyway
no probs today really just I was walking down street with my chick and dude in a 150k Mercedes ran over the corner curb checking my chick out it was night we were only ones walking sidewalk lol
free shit today being socially savvy
melon 3.99
shirt 39.00
parking 7.00
drinks 17.00
tickets 250.00
he he he
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How the fuck did you get $250 in free tickets? That’s definitely gonna be a misdemeanor, man.
And horny lifeguard? Ax JayInDC about that shit.
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naa the free shit I been getting is all legit handed to us
just with car I been interacting with so many people lots of chances to win
if I allowed misdemeaners to happen list would be huge every day lol
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Female flirting is “more subtle”? Maybe, maybe not.
I remember once where this 19 y/o came visiting to my college married housing apartment. She came with her cousin who I was porking at the time.
In front of my wife and my FWB, she climbs on the dining room table on all fours, with her ass pointed at me, looking over her shoulder. I take her out for lunch, where she asks me “What is your favorite time to make love?”
Some flirtations are IMPOSSIBLE to miss.
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“Hey, are you two in a relationship”.
“No, we just met.”
Her… “I was just hichacking
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Recently a Silly person said: “are you two in a relationship”? Me:- “We just met”. Her, “I am just a hitch-hicker:” . Ten years ago I killed her annoying Burmese python.
Discuss>
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..exactly..”only if i don’t have to admit it….”
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“who this fucking slutbag? she won’t stop following me around like a little brat…here…get her off me…”
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I will take this comment from the article abstract
” Individuals who are courting should vary the intensity of their signals to suit the level of risk attached to the particular social configuration, and receivers may assess this flexible matching of signal to context as an indicator of the signaler’s broader behavioral flexibility and social intelligence.”
I also just skimmed the article, and I am looking at figure 3. It seems as if the mystery method idea of peacocking is in a sense a successful violation of what this article proposes. It seems to be about being increasing signal intensity to be as overt as possible and putting a tremendous socially imposed risk on yourself. Here is an example, lets take a bodybuilder / mixed martial artist who goes to a club with some kind of jewelry that serves a dual feature of both accentuating his muscularity and handicapping in that it tends to be worn by gay men. No one fucks with him and calls him a “fag”, because they are afraid. What is the result of this person increasing signal intensity to the degree of not fitting into the social context.
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How would you handle this. Just got this text from my 30YO this morning. We are seeing each other about once a week and have been having a lot of tun, we are supposed to meet tonight. Have not seen each other in about a week. I have my doubts if this text is truthful.
Me: Mornin 8:11 AM
Her: Morning…. Regret to inform u I have to cancel tonight sweetie. My mom is going to Chicago. So i have to be home after work. I was just told so I do apologize 8:40 AM
She does not offer to reschedule. However she does apologize send it ahead of time.
I have not responded. Yet. How would you guys respond. I am thinking that I will respond with “lol no problem…I will make other plans”
@yareally, and HABD and Steve H what do you guys think?
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WHY DID YOU INITIATE?!?
Don’t ever initiate unless you have a command to issue. Don’t do vapid vacuous Beta horseshit like “mornin”. Be an alpha: “tit pics or no dinner tonight”.
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agree
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more great beta advice.
won’t work if you already got the alpha cred.
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I don’t see it that way. This chick has been seriously into me and because I sent the word mornin the day of when we are supposed to meet that caused her to flake?
She has told me numerous flattering things. She has always made herself available to me. She has been totally on board with whatever I have told her to do.
This does not make sense. She does have a kid. Maybe that’s it. But I do have my doubts. Whether she is being truthful. I would put it at 50/50 right now.
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relax no big deal go out another time
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@Zombie Shame it would be hard to quantify how much horseshit you manage to pack into four short sentences. Lol
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@reco When I first discovered game and manosphere it was as YaReally has pointed out like discovering some “superpower”.
Now into my fourth year I’m starting to fine tune and refine my approaches. I’m also trying…I stress TRYING to chill out with this stuff.
Because I’m trying to obliterate 40 years of blue-pill programming when I fall into situations like the one you describe and don’t get immediate validation I wonder “WTF???”
I’ve written at length about my crazy ex gf. I gamed her perfectly and we had a blast. Then true to her Cluster B traits she triangulated the relationship with some beta shlub and when I discovered this…I lost my shit…it all went downhill from there. Then I kept thinking there MUST be a solution to this.
There isn’t. Game is a way of approaching situations….divide the strategy: amused mastery and “I am the prize” with the tactics: text game, etc etc… and you will find the balance.
Was it alpha to text “mornin'”?? The dynamic you have is more important. How do you act in this situation?
From the way you describe there’s a slight bit of neediness in your reaction to her lack of response.
Stop giving a fuck. This is my disease. I care too much at the wrong times. Be more aware of your own inner worth… then situations you describe to us won’t be so elementary.
I see these situations now in myself and others plain as day. Since I’ve stopped obsessing over my crazy ex…my confidence has shot up…i’m now doing more approaches, banging younger chicks and generally getting to where I want to be.
Someone wrote here: “Think what a jerk would do…and do that”. It’s oversimplifying but it’s a good way I use. I’ve made a kind of resolution: this week I will stop talking about some stupid shit that bothers me…I will not do some beta backsliding shit I did last week. When I feel myself slipping into panic I will remember some cool shit I was successful at.
We as men have been feed a bunch of bullshit about women….by women and the guys who supplicate to them. Watch any movie…or tv show….Joey in Friends is the guy who bangs all the chicks but Ross and Rachel are held up to be the “couple” everyone cheers for. Fuck that.
Two weeks ago I had an epiphany. The beta shlub chasing my ex gf…did something stupid at a party I organized. I wrote him privately calling him out on that insulting behavior. The fuckwit published my bitch slap on Facebook in a bid to embarrass me. I owned my words and turned the whole thing back on him. The whole thing was ridiculous but he ended up looking like a dick and I ended up looking like a passionate defender of the people loyal to me. I’m now a pariah in some circles…but to the people who know the situation I’m a hero. Girls chimed in to defend me while the ones who defended him ended up exposed as liars. Fascinating.
I tell you all this because as someone in the same age range you have nothing but blue skies ahead if you stop obsessing the smaller stuff and focus on adjusting your game more strategically….are you sending out the right signals to chicks you meet? If not why not? This is how I’ve approached my game and reached out for insights. Are you adopting the right mindset in all aspects of your life? If not how can you start? These are my goals for the next year as I approach my 5th year of red pill. It’s still a struggle but gets easier if I set realistic goals and blow off stupid chicks as learnings not losses.
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@walawala that is some good stuff brother. I agree I care too much. And yes I overreact. Gotta work on it.
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@walawala just an update I called her later that day and very calmly told her about my boundaries on being unreliable. She pushed back and I ignored her and pushed more. She had to go into work and six hours later she sent me a very long apology and offered to make other plans for her kid to meet me. I rewarded her for owning up to her screwup. And we rescheduled for last night. We got together and fucked all night. It was a really awesome time.
But everything you said wala was spot on and I do appreciate it. And this has always been about me from the beginning and I have to be reminded sometimes that it still is.
Good thing is she now knows I won’t take her shit.
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@Reco I just had two girls flake on me for various spurious reasons.
The first 23 year old exchange student I met and gamed, k-closed last week…was supposed to come over. Texted this morning to say she was on her period and feeling “moody” so couldn’t come over. ME: “No problem, sort yourself out we’ll figure out another day”.
The second was one I met on Tinder who I texted to meet up. She said ok. Then she tried to change the location. I stuck to my original. I wrote to confirm. She said she couldn’t meet so we stuck to our original Thursday nite meet up.
She was acting weird. Me: “K. cu Thursday”.
I then texted the first one back later in the day: “wanna meet?”
She happened to be near my neighbourhood and was shopping. I met her. She came over as we had originally planned. We banged and hung out.
In both cases after gaming them I just left text to logistics.
You’re wayyyyyyyyyyyyy over-thinking text game.
Girl flakes on you:
You: “K”.
That’s it. Wait for her to re-engage. If she doesn’t, wait a week and re-engage. If she’s pushing back…DUMP HER.
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You are probably right.
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My highest success rate response with a girl who flakes is say NOTHING back to her.
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I think you are both probably right on for the most part. This is more of a steady thing though. I should have an update shortly.
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@Reco
No prob. She apologized for the short notice acknowledging that she knows she’s broken your rule/expectations so she knows those rules/expectations are there.
Just send her something like “lol no problem…but you’ll have to make it up to me next time with that red dress you know I love ;)” Like, give her a way to make up for breaking your rule, no annoyance/butthurtness/training necessary here.
No biggie lol
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#LikeAGirl is the next #BanBossy.
Over 10 million views since June 26.
lol
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these memes are multiplying weekly. we’re about to reach Peak Meme, at which point the world’s put-upon losers will have a catastrophic meltdown as they run out of vapid semantic escapes from their degeneracy.
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Instead of flushing money down the toilet, people who like think tanks like Cato et al could start a NPO that ridicules these campaigns. Make one with Always #likealiberal and mock them. Or #likeafeminist. These people deserve to be ridiculed and I think that would be the death of their hubris. It requires a degree of narcissism and solipsism to be a liberal and ridiculing such people is the way to defeat them. Logical debates about the free market or about race are pointless.
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Logical debates about the free market or about race are pointless.
Exactly… pointless is the very word.
Western society is now at a stage where approaching sociopolitical issues as if you’re talking to another rational human who sincerely cares about something other than their own ox is little more than a defensive position, hence weak.
Time to take off the kid gloves, as it were, and realize that, at the core, it’s all a fight for the survival of one’s way of life and the future of one’s own children… and the question every man has to ask himself: “Is this a topic for DEBATE?”
This is why I often say on this very forum that the “opposing view” merits little but disdain and drive-by mockery… a lesson the media masters have been teaching us for quite awhile now… but to which our inherent sense of fair play and fat lifestyles have blinded us.
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love to see a video of white peoples response to this prank so the comparison can be as clear as day”””””””’
really you think white people not gonna throw when someone grabs there cellphone
i’d like to see that too
as a man you got to always be ready to throw down ain’t about race on that shit
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guess if true certain whites wouldn’t do shit
I guess blacks know where to game go to swpl hangouts and just take the dudes bitches they won’t do shit lol
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or that video is an example of what you should do in that situation for anyone
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YaReally dude and others – some qs on online dating/texting (I’ve read your previous posts ages ago about how to learn to sexualize online and how if she replies she wants to bang etc, as well as more recent texting advice to reco )
ONLINE
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I’m on a very “beta provider friendly” online site (and I hit a lot of Provider triggers in terms of career and age (34)) but I’m on it because I consistently get a lot of email replies and profile views (far more than on Plenty of Fish etc).
To counter that, I’ve got an extremely aggressive, borderline rude, cocky profile that makes it clear I’m not some girl’s meal ticket (and I still get girls asking me to explain it – lol). It was aggressive enough to get repeatedly deleted on Plenty of Fish (no profanity or sex stuff – just aggressive enough that it offended enough girls sensibilities who I suspect reported it).
And I open with a pretty funny yet aggressive opener (it’s a good screener in itself – the kind of girl I want is the one who writes back and thinks it is funny – not the ones who write back all offended saying they think I’m rude etc – although would be interesting if there was any way to turn those girls around).
Anyway, I try to get a phone number in the first 2-3 messages and I generally get one number every 1-2 days (it’s a low volume dating site – if I was messaging 100 girls a day on Plenty of Fish I’d do better). A few girls want to continue to get to know me better by email or on the site but I generally blow them off at that stage even though I could work at it and eventually succeed (I make a few exceptions if the girl has good banter and the email chat might be fun, or she’s exceptionally hot). My style is pretty direct in asking for a number and in most (not all) cases I also sexualize early by joking about spanking her and stuff.
I’m reasonably happy with this – I get fewer replies than with my old “boyfriend” style profile but the ones I get are pre-screened better.
TEXTING
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I used to just do text stuff to set up a meet but was still getting a fair few flakes in terms of arranging meetups- now trying out phone convos too, just 10-25 mins of light chatting and building comfort and a bit of teasing (not much attraction stuff – mostly trying to reduce my flake rate for dates). Also even for phone calls I find I need to set it up soonish after texting as the attraction fades fast.
But generally need text dynamics tips – still not sure how to handle these -esp w/majority of girls who don’t have good banter.
I just find I lose loads of girls after getting their phone number and starting to text. I’ve only done a few phone chats for comfort so far so can’t really comment much on those.
Basically a lot of girls just stop responding or engaging in text conversations. Esp after the first day or two. Even before I get to the point of setting up a meet (although it happens a lot when I get to the stage of setting up drinks too).
I can see some potential issues here:
1. I have been texting during the daytime a lot – not at night as advised – but query how big a difference this will make? Will it really depress the chances of a response that much?
2. I’ve generally been quite bad in terms of leaving decent intervals – have been replying too quickly to messages. Last few weeks I’ve really improved on that and waited (like next day etc) to reply and I don’t see much improvement in girls engaging in text convos
3. Even now, it is all too easy to have a string of messages solely from me with no response from her – I know this is a terrible idea but not sure how else to reinitiate/reengage with a girl? I’m not talking daily messages, but (say) one message, then another a few days later, then another 2-3 weeks of silence later. Mostly messages from me (usually some kind of funny crack about her profile pic or a future projection scenario opening line or some non-sequitur like “I have a hangover”) with no replies from her (or sometimes a rare “lol” to one of my lines).
Basically, I clearly haven’t built enough value with these girls for them to reinitiate with me so a Soft Next doesn’t really seem to work (remember I haven’t met them in person yet), but it kinda feels like a Catch 22 because if I can’t meet them in person to build my value, then I have to do it through text – but reinitiating on text just makes me lower value – so what next??
I suppose the answer is to move on to new girls and not make the same mistake again – but that would require me to know what I’m doing wrong now!
4. Perhaps there’s a congruency issue between the aggressive cockiness of my profile/opener and my texts (which are more funny than laconic text game commands)? If I do the latter then not clear how I will build comfort..?
I’ll post some message exchanges and descriptions of interactions with particular girls in a day or two – this post is already getting very long but any general thoughts on my text game appreciated.
PS – Age group varies from about 18-40, but this sort of stuff is unsurprisingly more an issue with the 18-25 or 18-30 demographic
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@culum thanks for the insight that really helps. I would like to compare notes on your online profile/opener and I have the same issue dealing with beta provider vibe of the site. I have some ways of dealing with that also.
Would you be interested in exchanging notes a little? If you set up a throwaway email I can reply back and we can maybe help each other out.
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Yeah, sounds good – email culumstruan2k@gmail.com
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“But generally need text dynamics tips – still not sure how to handle these -esp w/majority of girls who don’t have good banter.”
I loathe that most girls are boring/insipid and I feel unsure about what to say next at times when I get bored.
Congruence is one of your problems and another is that there’s an unnatural feel about meeting someone that texts instead of calling. At least I’d be apprehensive about it. Another is this: if you fuck it up with a girl during texting, she’s not invested in you, you’re just some guy that texts her. And you do fuck up by texting them too much. If there’s no attraction, you need to spark it and texts she won’t answer isn’t the key to that.
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Proof there’s still good women out there: http://www.ummid.com/news/2014/June/28.06.2014/german-princess-anti-muslim-rant.html
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so my dad tells me
someone said
money was the most important thing in the world
he says you know who said that
me who
my dad you
my dad you were right
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my dad quoting me I think that means I made it
maybe he proud finally he he he
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gonna really suck not to have anyone to make that last call to when I think i’m gonna die on one of my adventures
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well someone who can remain calm and talk rationally at the time he he he
anyway
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….lol my dad busts my balls every chance he gets…a lot of life left in that old grouch…
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lol yea mine thought I should of put 10,000 hours free work for him like he did for his dad or some shit
but reality is I probably put more hours than he did
he a manipulative sob I think he he he
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I consider my dad a sociopath….he is quite a pimp and he is very good at pissing me off…but I like being around him as it teaches me how to deal with sociopaths…they will fight the slightest weakness and rip a hole in you…he is also very good at getting me to show him affect when he wants me to in order to give him a power rush then he turns it around and makes me feel like a faggot pussy for showing affection lol…that bastard…some days I wouldn’t mind seeing him suffer but would feel bad after that lol…i think when he is gone i will feel nothing at all most of the time then out of the blue probably burst out into tears like a bitch…and i have only cried maybe 2 or 3 times in my adult life…
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well my dad def did well for himself he was fat but strong and won his share of fights when younger my mom was a hot virgin when married
he could be a pimp but he uses religion as a crutch
my dad will flirt with any bitch within 20 feet though lol
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@guns, my dad flirts with everyone too. And jokes around with the men. It’s funny because each time we meet he has a few funny stories about what happened and what he talked about with people when he went grocery shopping or to the bank. Wish I would have inherited that because it seems preternatural to me at times.
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yea ninja i’m workin on getting to that level why people just hand’m me shit lol
i’m trying to talk to everyone when out
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good luck out there on approach week fellas
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Let’s go bold on approach week like this man right here:
You can see the devilish little wh0re that lies in her heart by those cunning eyes.
Ah, reminds me of past times…
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Infield inspiration for Approach Week. Watch a chode’s mind get obliterated in the first video as he tries to wrap his head around what he’s seeing Julien do and tries to make it jive with his negative shitty belief system lol:
Have fun all, go push out of your comfort zones.
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@YaReally great first video. This is my own game journey. This whole “Holy shit…you mean girls really go for this??” 4:23 the guy who starts laughing like a hyena…”Modern men have forgotten how to act around women”. “The excuse is you’re a man and she’s a girl…you don’t need an excuse (to approach)”.
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“4:23 the guy who starts laughing like a hyena…”
People who slag on the PUA community and who go off on “yo just be a man brah, that’s what I do, lift some weights and you’ll get pussy, I don’t even get how you guys have to try so hard with all your lingo and approaching and shit, I just put on my Wranglers and mosey into the local bar where I’m a minor celebrity and raise my eyebrow at the hottest poon there and she sucks my dick brah” rants often don’t realize that THIS is the guy we’re trying to help.
We’re not just helping some generally alpha dude who’s just forgotten a few things or needs to step up a bit, we’re heping the guys who are (no offense to that kid ’cause I’m sure he’s a nice dude lol) kind of socially retarded. Like everyone watching that kid burst out in weird laughter KNOWS that the thing he just did is a weird socially awkward thing. We can all feel it, I’m sure the coach feels that “oh god, please, stop” cringe inside a thousand times a night when he’s teaching a bootcamp.
And that guy isn’t even that hard a case, he was at least chatty and decent looking. We get WAY harder cases than him, half the audience is filled with guys who make that laughing kid look like the coolest fucker on Earth.
Feminists, anti-gamers, anti-PUAs, “just man up bra I’ve been gettin’ laid since I was 16” guys, etc. don’t have any solutions for that kid. They can’t take that kid and tell him “do this this and this” and legitimately get him results. They write him off as a non-entity and just kind of brush him under the rug and hope he goes away so they don’t have to think about him.
No one wants to help him because they don’t know how.
But PUAs do. We can take this kid and give him our logical steps and exercises to follow and encourage him to put in the effort on his end with some guidance from us and the community, to help shake out or tone down some of his awkwardness and help bring out the parts of him that are attractive (or build them from the ground up) and present them as best he can to women to get him sex or a girlfriend.
If that kid ever reads this, I’m not trying to pick on you, we’ve all had moments of weirdness, esp in high-nervousness situations like that (he’s meeting a personal idol of his), but it’s a good example of a guy who’s generally a normal looking average dude but is a little uncalibrated/awkward and finds a lot of value in what the PUA community teaches beyond a lot of the Manosphere “just lift weights and be aloof brah” vague advice (the Chateau being an exception to that vagueness of course, which is why I post here and enjoy reading the in-depth breakdowns of game concepts here lol)
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@YaReally honestly, I find myself falling into the hyena trap—usually out of nervousness.
For “Approach week”—every week is approach week, but I’ve lined up 3 girls, banged two already and a third I’m meeting tonight.
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Thanks for sharing man, def needed this.
I’ma be back in the next week or two and share notes from the RSD Hotseat with the Chateau.
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You have disabled comments on you new thread but you should be aware of the latest hot meme, AlphaWomen who need BetaMale partners :
http://www.alphawomanthebook.com/alphawoman
“Today’s Alpha woman is everywhere. In dress and style, the Alpha is the familiar, highly visible prototype: unabashedly sexy as well as career-oriented. She’s the MD who manages the clinic like a well-oiled machine, or the self-confident Web editor who envisions herself running the company with her combination of tech skills and business savvy. She’s the chic, assertive saleswoman who convinces you to buy an outfit you aren’t sure you actually need…There’s never been a better time to be an Alpha woman. She’s on the rise in her education and in her profession. She’s self-reliant, and she can explore her sexuality and make her own life choices.”
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*Puke*
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“She’s self-reliant and she wants to be throatfucked by a man even more self-reliant than her”*
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Lol yup. She just won’t admit it.
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I have two self reliant chicks right now I love
those chicks they talking about are mostly not
self reliant
Christ my sis just asked to get more loot off me told her no
she is a poster child for liberal self reliant woman
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I froze up too many ho’s
story one day lol
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This is going to get big:
http://www.thematinggrounds.com
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2675939/Black-student-body-president-nations-expensive-prep-school-forced-resign-offensive-photos-dressed-typical-white-male-students-emerge.html
How/why was this idiot elected student body president anyway? Look at her – that’s not what a president of anything should look like. Certainly not act like, and that’s what cost her her job after multiple offenses.
At least this school’s administration had the balls to fire her for making fun of straight white males.
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Someone should just have made their own facebook or whatever venue page she was on and labelled it
Here Is What The Typical Uppity Negress Looks Like
and then just copied those same pictures.
Hilarity would ensue.
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so scalzi daughter lifting 200 in a combined 3 events according to comment
so the bar each time would be 135 I guess
doing things like a girl ain’t really a bad thing would you really want the girl treated like a man?
probably not
when my chick ran out the back door with my wallet couple years ago she was running like a girl out my back yard I couldn’t even chase her I was laughing too fucking hard maybe it is actually a defense mechanism
watch her little elbows pumping I still make fun of her about it
I got my wallet back from her though he he he
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proved could of chased her down when on beech we raced to get there and my 240 pound self toyed with her 116 pound girliness
she said it wasn’t funny when I fucked with her about it now she said she was a bad girl
although it is funny about me making fun of her running
if I would of felt compelled to chase her down instead of laugh though might of turned out badly for her
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Incredible material here for a future post:
A ‘heartless w****’ who flirts with ‘Muslim pigs’: Revealed, the abusive texts that lay bare the ugly romantic split behind sexual harassment suit engulfing dating app Tinder
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And we should care when the Tribe eats their own why?
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Yes.
Because in the prophetic words of Justice Stephen G. Breyer “you’re next!”
This type of white stinky thinking displayed by Mr. Eliot is the main reason Western culture is becoming niggerized.
For example:
You can no longer show teeth when you take your Drivers license photo; I watched a pretty girl take 3 photos before she was able to produce the surly negro postal clerk look that is now required for all state issued picture ID photos.
(((SMMFH)))
So thanks to the white man and his brilliant technology, we all gotta look like Lawanda Page for our drivers license photos.
Poor little white girl did not know how to take portrait photo without a pretty smile. (she eventually got it by producing one of those fake Hillary Clintoon smiles)
I strongly suspect the white mans facial recognition software is confused by teeth so he is forcing us to look like foul ni66ers for the benefit of his digital slaves.
Western culture is being niggerized and it is the white man that is doing it.
Wake up white man.
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Tell us more about “stinky thinking”, n1663r… this latest treatise of yours was even more fetid and does-not-follow than usual… no mean feat, I must add.
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deflection and butthurt noted.
Carry on Casper.
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0 for 2 doesn’t cut it, not even in the bush leagues, Sambo.
As they say in the Dominican Republic: You can’t walk off the island.
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On a side note (and not that it will convince thwack, but for the benefit of the silent gallery):
That “you’re next” means nothing, because they’ve long been doing it already to everyone else… so rather than “next” it’s more like, “been there, done that.”
The few times they turn on each other is of no surprise, and certainly no great interest… especially these stupid Hebe he said/she said airings of dirty laundry.
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she says ”'”If my dad wont pay my rent I may have to work an extra month”. Could you imagine having that conversation with your boss about quitting?
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yea another empowered woman I have seen tons of em always a man somewhere giving them free money or they have free check from somewhere no matter how much money they make
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Is approach week over yet?
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How many approaches have you attempted?
and how many SUCCESSFUL landings have you made?
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In the words of the late great Baron de Coubertin… it’s not the winning, but the taking part.😉
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here’s a good reminder that you should never intervene/white knight when a woman is being roughed up by her SO: http://gawker.com/writer-colum-mccann-assaulted-after-reportedly-trying-t-1599638537.
“What we believe happened is that the victim tried to intercede in what appeared to be a domestic dispute between a man and a woman. He saw a woman pushed to the ground. He tried to assist the woman. He asked the woman if she wanted him to call the police. He urged her to do so. She said she didn’t want to call the police. The guy said, ‘It’s your decision.’ He turned around, began to walk away, and he was assaulted.”
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In addition, for all of you CC permit holders; if you ever witness a robbery in progress at a business; look around and make sure the perp does not have a “silent partner”/lookout… who is waiting to pop anyone who draws.
Its a common criminal technique.
*be advised*
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That only happens the first time out… then, after the brutha finds out his share of the 7-11 heist was only $24.45, he decides to go solo on the next job.
You’ve been watching too many Quentin Tarantino movies.
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been hearing gregi greg about 500 times a day he he he
and the boogieman lost a finger comin up in my house
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Another update for “Approach week”…Approached a fairly cute, tall girl at my Latin night. I hadn’t seen her before. We danced. Later I approached her again but she was about to leave and had changed her shoes…still she was up for dancing but I suggested we meet up tomorrow and asked for her number. She didn’t have a pen so I said I’d remember it. She gave it to me. I repeated it. I gamed her, teased, we chatted briefly about her work, she asked me some questions about myself and we parted company. I told her “If I can remember your number, you’ll meet up at tomorrow’s bar party”. She laughed. I texted her later to give her the address of the event I was organizing. She replied: “Thanks for your invite. But I won’t go this time. I want to rest up for work the next day”.
I was somewhat taken aback by the flake after all the IOI’s and number close.
I looked through my own repertoire of responses. “Pffffffttt” would be too ambiguous to a girl who’s English is shaky. “…” is too cryptic. “k” was too accepting.
So I punted and went with “lol” —a phrase I never use. Anything else would have been too needy or caring. I had thought of “Since I remembered your number let’s meet up for coffee”—but that sounded gay and imposing. Not sure if “lol” game is a thing but in this case it seemed to fit best partly because in this case the girl is late 20’s, a hip hop dancer and cute. Figured I could either meet up with her when I see her and re-game or see if that prompts a response.
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Time can give you a changed perspective. For example, I have not heard this song in fifteen years, until I just checked it out yesterday out of a sense of nineties personal nostalgia.
After a decade-plus, you don’t remember the Alanis, or the decade’s cheesiness, but instead you appreciate the different (White) male sexual persona in this video, and perhaps see a bit of your own qualities in every one of these men.
The song is game-aware, BTW. It’s almost as if the girls were trying to tell us something even back then.
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Game Is Social Savviness
imo The essence in the subject heading alone.
Further details provided by the CH.
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