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How The Sexes Perceive Looks Differently

July 9, 2014 by CH

Women project their charisma-induced arousal onto men. Men project their visually-induced arousal onto women. And where the streams of these two projections meet, confusion and frustration with the seemingly strange behavior of the opposite sex emerge.

Commenter AErickson perceptively observes,

I have a little under 9% body fat, a good amount of lean muscle fiber, visible abdominal muscles, etc., and can generally concur that it really is not that useful in attracting women. Further, in line with your argument that women are generally pretty solipsistic when it comes to bodies, when first seeing me shirtless, women are more likely to comment “Wow, how much do you workout/I wish I had your flat stomach!” then they are to comment “So sexy/I want your body/etc.” I workout because I enjoy it and because I care about my health; for attracting women it is more important to focus on other things, like charisma and outside passions.

This rings true, because I’ve heard (in context) the same lines from women, almost verbatim.

In relation to the functioning of the sexual market and how women perceive men’s bodies, it’s useful to think of male looks and physique as an inspiring aesthetic rather than a perspiring analeptic. Men hunger at the sight of women’s sexy bodies; women appreciate the sight of men’s masculine bodies (and then wonder if the man behind the body is interesting). As Elaine said, men’s bodies are utilitarian, like Jeeps, built to get things done.

While this formulation is by no means exclusive of overlap or exceptions, as a general rule it works well. A man with a good body is like a fine sculpture, or a technological wonder; enjoyable for women to admire and to uncover the artist’s or engineer’s intent, perhaps even going so far as to use the work of art for a solipsistic moment of self-reflection.

A woman with a good body is art, but she is also a drug, stimulating instant desire in men that is like the human aesthetic sense distilled in raw form to its ancestral animal essence, whereby the object is not to admire, but to consume.

Women can be stimulated to instant, wall-climbing desire as well, but it usually requires more… much more… than a muscular body. If you want to know what instant, insistent, existential female horniness looks like, go to high society parties and watch how they behave in the company of a famous or powerful man.

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  1. on July 9, 2014 at 12:33 pm Jack

    This is one of the few bullshit ideas floated around the manosphere. It’s a lie that looks don’t matter. Women fuck dudes based on looks all the time. I’ve been out with good looking dudes to bars who have zero charm. Women walk up to them and open them and fuck them but don’t always stick around. Looks open the door and get you a try out but charm gets you on the team long term.

    Any dude that tells you looks don’t matter is an idiot. They do. Especially height. I’m 6 ft and feel bad for short dudes. They are playing with a 1/4 of the deck.

    [CH: you completely misundertood the substance of this post.]

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 12:50 pm Tilikum

      oh jack. i’m doing the 40 pound challenge right now and if your personality is unfucked…you get more girls by physically DQ’ing yourself. way more.

      all that matters is that your mind is strong. everything else finds it’s level and follows suit.

      keep reading, you’ll get it.

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 9:36 pm gunslingergregi

        well if your gonna do the 40 pound challenge try growing the nails long too
        hhahahahaahhahahaahhahahah

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 12:57 pm Jason

      I know a few women that definitely game “hot guys” only for casual sex/dating. I don’t think it’s most women, though.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 1:00 pm Whatnow

      On the internet anything under 6′ is short.

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 1:04 pm A Random Guy

        Or is that 6″” ?

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 1:16 pm everybodyhatesscott

        Yup. Every 5’10/5’11 guy is 6’0 on the internet and the 6′ guys are 6’2″ and the 6’2″ guys are still 6’2″ cause being 6’4″ isn’t really an advantage.

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 1:20 pm CH

        average male height in america is somewhere around 5’9″ or 5’10”. plus or minus two inches from that average, no man should have debilitating trouble getting women. it’s only when a man is shorter than 3 inches from the norm do his options really start to shrink.

        my advice for short men who think it holds them back: screen for shorter women.

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 1:30 pm mr pink

        “it’s only when a man is shorter than 3 inches from the norm do his options really start to shrink.”

        unless he’s a famous drummer. not unusual for them to be with gorgeous women more than a foot taller. they actually compete to see who can get the tallest woman. not hottest. not most coveted. tallest.

        fame ftw.

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 1:32 pm cryo

        actually shorter women are fussier about only getting with tall guys (as much as what sluts say matters anyway)

        I’m around 5’9 and tend to date 5’6 and up. Not that I mind, I love tall women, so sleek and slender and DEM LEGS

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 2:49 pm Scray

        ‘actually shorter women are fussier about only getting with tall guys’

        This is true. You have to be mad aggressive with them whenever you see an in and they will shit on you a lot about your height.

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 2:54 pm CH

        if women are constitutionally attracted to taller men than themselves (and their attraction isn’t just a cultural artifact), then it makes sense in the big picture for short men to focus their efforts on women shorter than themselves. i’m not arguing that short women don’t give harder shit tests to short men, but if sexual market efficiency is a goal then you’d want to swim with the tide more than against it.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 12:31 pm corvinus

        actually shorter women are fussier about only getting with tall guys (as much as what sluts say matters anyway)

        Possibly because they instinctively want to upgrade (heh) their genetic stock.

        I’m around 5’9 and tend to date 5’6 and up. Not that I mind, I love tall women, so sleek and slender and DEM LEGS

        Same here, pretty much. I avoid short women possibly for the same reason they aim for tall men more than average and tall girls do: I don’t want short kids.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 1:13 pm bo jangles

      When I was in high school I weighed 155 and benched 285, my nickname was steroids, I was fairly shy and that trumped everything. Its true there are women who will screw you for how you look..but that doesnt mean they will send you naked photos or that youll inspire them to have a threesome(that she never imagined herself doing before!) 20 years later Im no where near in as good a shape, but what I say and do to women really makes them crazy. If I was able to go back and give myself advice when I was 15, it wouldnt be to hit the gym more.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 2:33 pm Scray

      Ya, like I said in my reply comment….the reason why it probably doesn’t make much of a difference for him is because he’s above-average height. The ROI of a good body is greater when you lack height or some other attribute, because it gets you past the minimum attractiveness threshold.

      Altho no one said that looks don’t matter.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 7:36 am wolfie65

        The real world, USA, ca. 2014:
        What women want is guys who are 22, 6’2+, soap stud looks, HUGE bankroll, HIGH status.
        The further away you are from that ideal, the more problems you will have.
        You’re a billionaire? They won’t care how you look or how old you are.
        Movie star? Ditto.
        Otherwise, they will care VERY VERY MUCH INDEED.
        This isn’t nearly as extreme in Europe – few things are, America is very much a land of extremes – but still applies to some extent, they are still women, after all.
        Cue chorus of keyboard jockeys who defy all those odds in 3…2…1….

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 12:32 pm corvinus

        You’re a billionaire? They won’t care how you look or how old you are.

        Given your logic, Mark Zuckerberg should be banging models on the regular.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 5:10 pm Manlet-Brah

      Here we have another study showing what is truly attractive to females when rating males in a study.You must note that they did not take into consideration facial attractiveness. There are many studies covering that aspect of attraction. What this scientist set out to see was how important penis and body size were when it came to attraction.

      Here’s the video: http://youtu.be/y0ZgHe3_VjU

      At the 8:00 minute mark, you learn that the percentage of attractiveness for each trait are as follows:

      Body Shape: 79.7%
      Height: 6.1
      Penis Size: 5.1%

      Here are some more details worth mentioning in text:

      They used 343 male humanoids. Which ranged from 7 different types of height, 7 different types of body shapes, and 7 different types of penis shapes. They where all mixed in variances. Hence the (7x7x7=343)
      This study covered the 95% of men in range today. So it is completely applicable to real life seeing as how they used projections of real body shapes by men today.

      The images that were presented to women where fully life sized, and not on paper. 105 women with a mean age of 26 where used in this study. They all had a mean response of 3.1 seconds to each video of the male, this helped insure a fast and honest response.

      At about 10:24 you get a very gruesome look at how compensation for a bigger penis by shorter males is useless. If you look at the chart, you can see that a 5’4 male with a 4.7 flaccid penis is nowhere near as attractive as a 6’0 male with a 2.3 flaccid penis. In other words, the male penis is only attractive up until a point and then other factors (height and body build) come into play tremendously.

      That was very surprising to me. I always thought females loved bigger dicks but apparently they only care about it only if you already fulfill their height pre-requisite.

      Listen to what he says after 10:54, “It seems to be that shorter guys are invariably, less attractive in general.”

      Even heartiste or his proprietors mentioned that manlets everywhere inspire disgust universally.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 11:28 am Scray

        I’d still argue that any study where you ask women what they ‘like’ is somewhat useless.

        And I think when CH says ‘manlet,’ he wasn’t talking about the misc ‘manlet.’ He was more talking about manbewbz.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 12:56 pm dan

      im 5´6 . and one of the things that improved my game, was to totally forget about it, while u aproach. am i banging the hottest babes? no but guys my height are not even trying. in some countries, there are guys who are 6´who think they are short. when i go and try to game some girls my size or taller, they try to shoot me down. like geee… “you are small” , ” sorry.. i dotn talk to hobbits” , those types of answers are an oportunity to trigger what i call, friendly asshole game. since i know the objections i also know how to respond. and guess what… sometimes it Works. once you are doing fine, guess who will try to cock block you? the over 6¨ betas , and the fatty females… go figure. getting rid of some guy two heads taller than you in front of your girl, gives you major points. for those of you here on the short side. -day game Works better for us – stay fit – dress nice, focus on colors and style , not brands. – wear nice shoes. – have a few passions in life apart from women, do not tell her about them, créate oportunities for her do discover them and be surprised.. and youll beat the tall untrained competition many times. people might say a lot about us, short guys, specially that we are undeserving, even in the work place we tend to be given a lot shit.. when we do something right, people will tell that we are compensating. fuck em.

      no one can stop you from making the committment to be your best self.

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  2. on July 9, 2014 at 12:44 pm How The Sexes Perceive Looks Differently | Manosphere.com

    […] How The Sexes Perceive Looks Differently […]

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 6:34 am shartiste

      I agree with the spirit of the post, but a few random thoughts:

      1) What is with the constant obsession with degree of difficulty and one upmanship on PUA message boards and comment sections? “I’m chubby and short and don’t shower and I pull models off of tall, rich guys in high end clubs!!!”… Dude….chill out.

      2) Of course all other things equal a girl will prefer a guy with a better body, but attraction is like libertardian economics… all other things are never equal.

      3) After a certain point of musculature, you service a niche market. Nobody believes pro bodybuilders have trouble getting laid, for example. This is because a minority of girls do go hard for that type. In my experience, girls who go hard for muscles tend to be a bit sluttier and “faker” i.e. bleached hair, tons of makeup, etc.

      4) Bragging about how out of shape you are and can still get laid is just retarded internet comment section crap, and misses the point just as much as game denialism. Its like the HBD guys who turn into “genes are the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS PARENTING HAS ZERO EFFECT!” parrots. Being out of shape sucks.

      5) Most guys who have been both in great shape and fat at some point in their lives will note they got more girls when in shape. This proves nothing as being in shape will give a guy more confidence and extraversion, but its important to note.

      6) Theres no excuse not to be in good shape, it really doesn’t take much time at all. Lift weights 3x a week, eat more protein, don’t get shitfaced drunk and after 6 months to a year you’ll be in better shape than 80% of the male population. There is no reason to be fat. Not everyone needs a chiseled six pack, but at this point being fat just signals that a guy doesn’t really care about himself.

      7) Whether they get laid or not, fat people suck.

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  3. on July 9, 2014 at 12:45 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    “I have a little under 9% body fat, a good amount of lean muscle fiber, visible abdominal muscles, etc.”

    If a woman doesn’t like you, all of this becomes “narcissistic,” or cause for them to say “you’re gay” or “too self-involved.” And if a woman does like you, she’ll justify a gross beer gut as a “paunch.” Men don’t think along these lines when seeing a woman with a hot body — even if the woman has clear mental issues.

    Therein lies the difference between the sexes.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 1:03 pm CH

      pro comment.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 12:35 pm theasdgamer

        It’s not just excusing negative physical attributes. If a woman is hot for a man, the hamster will look for physical features in the man to up-rate. If she isn’t hot for a man, she will down-rate him based on those very same features.

        Preselection can also cause a woman to upgrade a man’s physical attractiveness from her initial assessment.

        Of course, women see physical attractiveness the same as men do, once the hamster gets a vote. heh

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 2:38 pm Scray

      Nah. The best thing you can be is undeniable. When this woman told him about ‘oh you gotta show me your workout,’ he (mistakenly) interpreted as her being only cerebrally interested in his body.

      Does that language sound familiar to you?
      Oh shit, it sounds like BASIC AMOG language….doesn’t it?

      This guy — without his body — already passed for ‘attractive enough.’ With his body it’s overkill. She’s doing this shit because she’s INTIMIDATED, not because she only ‘intellectually’ likes his body.

      C’mon dudebros. Where do you think a lot of those tactics came from? Women.

      And women will say those things — narcissist, you’re gay, etc etc for the same reason. You’re absolutely destroying them with re: attractiveness and they know it. Doesn’t matter where the attractiveness comes from, they’ll say the same shit

      Lots of game, lots of physical hawtness —> asshole, conceited, selfish etc. etc.

      AKA winning/doing it right

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 10:13 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        If called a narcissist, simply tell her that you wish she was more narcissistic too. Maybe she’d hit the treadmill more often if she was. Or you can tell her that at least you’re not wearing a padded bra – which makes her both narcissistic and fake.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 6:22 pm oralcummings

      Coal burners always seem to be attracted to the black males muscles.

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 9:41 pm thwack

        you sure its not the color?

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 6:44 am thwack

        or the ability to put balls into hoops and between goal posts?

        The reason black guys are good at basketball is because the hoop and net represents a white womans vagina

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 8:39 am Reco

      Very true. If a woman likes you then you become good looking to her. Your cock is all of a sudden beautiful to her. Your body is good to her. Women’s logic.

      The girl I am seeing now is 30 YO, a solid 8 perfect little gymnasts body, 5’1″ soaking wet 105 lbs. And I am much much older than her not over weight but I do have a little bit of a belly and she has told me emphatically and repeatedly how good looking I am and how good my body looks.

      All I can think is. Is this chick fucking blind? Lol

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 12:38 pm theasdgamer

        Yeah, my wife says I’m a 7-8 in looks. No. Friggin’. Way.

        Chick thought I was 20 years younger than my actual age. Hamsterization.

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  4. on July 9, 2014 at 12:51 pm blindman

    “Women walk up to them and open them and fuck them but don’t always stick around. Looks open the door and get you a try out but charm gets you on the team long term.”

    you just proved the whole point of the post. looks might get your foot in the door but they aren’t enough to get the girl.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 6:31 am Knowbody

      it definitely won’t hurt the vast majority of guys coming to game and pickup manosphere blogs to help them score. who is realistically going to snap their fingers and be confident or all a sudden drop all approach anxiety by reading posts….at least getting moderately fit buffers those things

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 9:39 am blindman

        agreed.
        the confidence and decrease in anxiety that comes with having pride in your body is gold and well worth any sacrifice you have to make to get that way.

        and although i don’t think physical appearance itself is the most important thing, a healthy fit man does give women the perception that they have some level of self-control and can work hard for something. with that and an increased confidence level, you definitely have a leg up on the guys who don’t bother.

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  5. on July 9, 2014 at 1:06 pm mr pink

    “watch how they behave in the company of a famous or powerful man.”

    a wink/nod = unfettered access to all her holes in the bathroom of said high society party.

    “women appreciate the sight of men’s masculine bodies ”

    masculine. not chisled. not “flawless”. manly. was looking at a picture book about the early days of my city (1890s) the other day. one thing that struck me was how badass all the men looked. every guy in the fire brigade looked like he could rip your head off your shoulders. i guarantee none of those guys had washboard abs or spent one second of their lives thinking about getting them.

    this supposed fascination with the no carb no beer gym built body is a very recent invention by gay men in the advertising and entertainment industries and has nothing to do with female attraction.

    use the gym to help keep your T up if you don’t do physical work, forget sculpting your body unless it truly brings you pleasure and focus on building your skillset to attain ever increasing levels of relative fame and power.

    “Any dude that tells you looks don’t matter is an idiot.”

    if she likes you she’ll think you’re good looking. they are not like us.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 10:17 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      “this supposed fascination with the no carb no beer gym built body is a very recent invention by gay men in the advertising and entertainment industries and has nothing to do with female attraction.”
      I suppose this is excusable if you’re an American considering how totally ignorant and dumb you are about other cultures. Well, let’s see… Greek culture and Roman culture seem to have liked this body style. Your rationalizing is as silly as the one of feminists that keep wanting us to fuck them and their porcine sisters.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 12:17 am Donk3ySch0ng

        And who was it, exactly, in the ancient Roman and Greek cultures that sculpted their idealized male form? I’ll give you a hint: it wasn’t women.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 6:27 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Guy who thinks using numbers in his name is cute, you’re an idiot.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 9:44 am mr. pink

        “Greek culture and Roman culture seem to have liked this body style.”

        you mean the same greeks and romans who took underage boys for their bath house sex toys and the families thought of it as an honor for their sons to be anally raped?

        good try.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 11:59 am Donk3ySchl0ng

        “Guy who thinks using numbers in his name is cute, you’re an idiot” What a brilliant retort. Your impressive “European Intellect” has defeated my simple facts. You must be correct, ancient homosexual sculptors clearly define female desire better than actual modern heterosexual women.

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  6. on July 9, 2014 at 1:20 pm Odysseus

    Looks and status are not mutually exclusive. That said, stating that a great-looking guy gets hit on by women looking for casual sex rather misses the point of the post.

    But I can tell you wealth/status/fame acts much, much more powerfully on a woman, especially as she ages. We see it every day with countless examples, an easy one being Rupert Murdoch.

    In contrast, a woman’s SMV is almost entirely defined by looks, and then charm. We see it every day with countless examples. Education may not be top 5.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 2:36 pm Anton

      “a woman’s SMV is almost entirely defined by looks, and then charm”

      Femininity is second, then charm…

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 6:31 pm oralcummings

        Her SMV is defined primarily by her self- confidence.A real man wants a woman who will challenge him.

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 7:08 pm ManlyMan

        @ OralCUMMINGS- You forgot about the hotness od sassy chicks with moxie…

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 7:09 pm ManlyMan

        “of”!

        Fuck. Wrecked the whole damn thing!

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  7. on July 9, 2014 at 1:44 pm Anonymous

    are women allowed to post here?

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 5:16 pm Matthew

      Sadly, and with predictable results.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 12:41 pm theasdgamer

      Only hot ones, and only if they post titty pics. Somewhere in the archives you’ll find titty pics for Amy, Nicole, Kate, etc.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 12:59 pm dan

      yeah.. but at their own risk.

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  8. on July 9, 2014 at 1:50 pm anon

    The real argument against CH’s point is that women are attracted to personality, but that personality is inborn.

    Most of the time I am anxious and insecure, but once in a while, despite looking like Winston Smith, I can be confident and cocky and self assured, and attract a girl.

    But that undercurrent of confidence was always there. There are some guys you can tell have nothing, and no training will fix that. Confidence, in the majority, is born, not made.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 1:52 pm CH

      you aren’t fated by your genes. you may be predisposed by them, but not fated. you don’t have to change your personality wholesale to reap romantic rewards. a little movement at the margins is often enough to be successful in love.

      remember that personality is more mutable than facial looks, in theory and in practice.

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 9:44 pm thwack

        CH

        you aren’t fated by your genes.
        ———————————————–

        what?

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 12:43 pm theasdgamer

        thwack, u are fatted by ur jeans.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 7:30 pm DigDeeper

        He’s an HBD only when it conveniences him 😉

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 1:57 pm mr pink

      Winston Smith would be an interesting CH study. What was orwell trying to say?

      julia was a slut. a rebel only from the waist down. winston claimed to like that about her.

      he knew it would go badly in the end. he talked about ending the affair often. she refused. he let her make the decisions, plans, etc. very beta. risking his life for some action with a slutty mental case.

      he ended up in room 101 with the rat cage on his head.

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  9. on July 9, 2014 at 2:31 pm SatyrWolf

    I carry about 40 pounds more than I should, but I don’t slouch. If I see a woman giving me a once-over I open with “Hey, eyes up here” and a shit-eating grin. The moment I think about my weight I know I’ve just flushed my game and should call it a night.

    I should share an approach week encounter with a late 20’s HB7 that sorta ties into this. A day game grocery store pick-up that ended with a kiss and number close.

    SW: (eyeing her cart) I hear diet coke works better.
    HB7: Sorry?
    SW: Not doing the Mentos thing? Shame. It’s a crowd pleaser.
    HB7: Oh! *laughs* I’m buying pop for my sister’s cookout.

    (I spend a couple minutes lightly negging about supporting high fructose corn syrup)

    HB7: You look like you enjoy a few cans yourself.
    SW: (ignoring the shit test) So they don’t trust you to make anything?

    (Kinda didn’t listen to her defense of culinary skills, too busy trying to remember if I set my DVR to record. Made my aloof game so much easier)

    HB7: What would you bring?
    SW: (realizing that she stopped talking only after the pause) Something a little grownup. A pasta salad with leeks and bacon.
    HB7: That sounds involved.
    SW: Nah, I mean, yeah! Totally professional chef caliber. Only a handful of people have the recipe and the skill. Handmade pasta, organic vegetables, bacon from hand-fed pigs that are massaged nightly.
    HB7: (more laughter)

    (At this point we’re in the wine section. I’m certain that she’s abandoned her shopping. She’s walking sideways pushing her cart, I’m talking over my shoulder.)

    HB7: (pauses to grab a bottle off the shelf) What would you make with this?
    SW: Ramen
    HB7: What? No! Seriously what would you make if I brought this over?
    SW: (takes the bottle in one hand, puts the other on her lower back and guides her to stand side-by-side with bodies just touching. I act like I’m really thinking it over) Yep, ramen. Roasted chicken flavor.
    HB7: (giving me a stunned look)

    (At this point I put the bottle back, fish my phone out, and open up a new contact page. I put Ramen Girl as the name and hand it to her. We lock eyes for a moment before she puts her number in and hands it back. I turn to leave.)

    HB7: WAIT!

    (When I turn back towards her she bounces up and tries for a kiss. I turn my head and she gets a cheek.)

    HB7: What would you make now?
    SW: (smirks) Bring the wine.
    HB7: When?
    SW: (holds up phone and walks away)

    Now remember, I’m 40 pounds overweight, dressed for comfort, and smell like yard work. All I have going for me is knowing that 6 months ago I would have thought this woman to be out of my league.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 2:33 pm SatyrWolf

      Oh, and I’m probably about 15 years older than her with the grey hair to prove it.

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 7:00 pm AKA

        Good story

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 11:09 pm Ronin

      Ur doin it rite!

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  10. on July 9, 2014 at 2:56 pm cryo

    I do wonder sometimes if good lucks will be an increasingly important factor for men as miscegenation and mystery meat offspring become common. Just imagine a sturdy strong-jawed Anglo poised at the club amidst a sea of muds. Hard to deny the attraction there.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 6:05 pm thwack

      the best looking white men are found in museums.

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      • on July 9, 2014 at 6:26 pm cryo

        lol fair enough

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 12:44 pm theasdgamer

        Been sargin’ musees for gay white boys agin’?

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  11. on July 9, 2014 at 3:06 pm Manic Beta

    Rewind about 5 years ago I was a gooey 230+ lbs. This was a far cry from my athletic days of yore. So i got in shape. I am currently 185 lbs and 12% body fat. I have a noticable muscular physique, but appear lean not juiced up. I am 34 years old. I now cram quality poon on a fairly regular basis. Life is good. But the truth is even the hottest broad I have nailed since gettting shape, I could have scored when my body looked my cookie dough. The difference is that the exercise upped my T and gave me imeasurable confidence. Confidence gets the gals, period. Not washboard abs, not movie star good looks.

    The only time my body has assisted in arousing the hamster is when I have been in a group setting with other couples. If you are in better shape than her friends’ husbands and boyfriends, it really sets you apart. This is of course after you already landed the gal, but it really greaes the skids and raises your status.

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  12. on July 9, 2014 at 4:00 pm unaffluent

    Elaine also said (wagging finger), “jewlelry on a man is not a good look.” Unfortunately the Pablos and Pedros filling up California see no reason to abide her advice.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 6:35 pm oralcummings

      Saw some burly nigger bus driver the other day with..an earring. Looked very creepy and very (ghetto)gay.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 6:43 am thwack

        was the earring gold?

        Gold looks good on dark skin

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  13. on July 9, 2014 at 4:30 pm How The Sexes Perceive Looks Differently | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  14. on July 9, 2014 at 5:24 pm DeNihilist

    This has to be the end of the debate! Empty guitar case game. Better success through perceived musical talent!

    http://www.mensfitness.com/life/entertainment/study-women-more-attracted-to-guys-who-play-guitar

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  15. on July 9, 2014 at 5:38 pm cynthia

    Part of the problem, I think, are women’s expectations of what a “good” male body is. Most girls think of actors when they’re thinking of how a man should look, but actors might spend a year getting prepped for that one or two days of shirtless scene filming; it’s not realistic. A normal guy can spend hours in the gym every day, and still not achieve the same look.

    Just an observation. But mostly, yeah, it’s more about personality than appearance.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 11:08 pm Ronin

      Yup, movies. And Brad Pitt in Fight Club is the guy who ruined it for all other actors since then.

      The amount of training they do now, even for an average movie is just not normal: http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/building-a-bigger-action-hero-20140418

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 3:50 am Scray

        The amount of steroids they do now, even for an average movie is just not normal. Fixed your post 🙂

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 7:47 am wolfie65

        One part of getting in shape that is ignored by many is diet. You can do 10,000 crunches a day and still not have any visible abs until you drop below 10% or so body fat. Most people simply eat too much to ever get anywhere near that.
        Genes also play a part, most guys will never be able to look like body builders, regardless of how hard they work out, unless they are willing to risk their health (liver, kidneys, gonads, etc.) by juicing.
        Personality?
        ROFLMFAO!
        The last time I ever felt anyone cared about my personality was in Europe, ca. 1988.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 11:39 pm Charlie Don't Surf

      When I find a woman physically attractive – I’m secretly hoping she’s got a great personality …. so we can talk between fucks.

      When a woman is attracted by my personality – she’s secretly hoping I’ve got a great body …. so we can fuck between talks.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 11:40 am Ronin

        Poetry.

        This one has got to go in the future CH “Classic Comments Page”

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 5:39 pm nomad

        Poetry is right.
        Nicely done.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 7:35 pm DigDeeper

      They are also on a cocktail of
      Performance Enhancing Drugs, but women tend to see these cocktails as “hard work” lmao.

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  16. on July 9, 2014 at 6:44 pm Artqvo

    Looks matter… a lot. Men that say that looks don’t matter are not good looking, are lying to themselves, or are trying to sell you some snake-oil “game” product. It’s true that if you are good looking, muscular, but submissive or shy, without social skills, that’s not congruent and you are going to have a hard time getting women, still some women will fuck you only based on your looks. If you are very good looking, it’s like being semi-famous, if you have looks, power and fame, the world is yours. Women have better orgasms if you are good looking, yes – Science – proves it. I know both sides, I’ve been blessed with good genetics – tall, muscular… -, nothing to be specially proud of, I’m just lucky, but I also got depressed and fat, and then through effort returned to my former self. I know, and I felt the difference, people both male and female treat you differently. Good looking&strong -> men respect/submit to you, women droll over you… Fat&weak -> men disrespect you/women ignore you. Anyway, men can do a lot to improve their looks. So maximize your looks and your social skills, thats the way to go.

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    • on July 9, 2014 at 10:39 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      This is pretty much my take too after being chubby(European chubby, not American chubby lol) until my senior year of high-school. After high-school I only got in better shape until I finished university and the difference in reactions from former classmates was quite glaring, especially from the slutty, good looking girls. I regret not having better game for a while too though because I could have fuck closed at least 5 of them based on the type of IOIs.

      Again, you need game to get laid, but looks do matter in the quality of the girls you lay. This is personal experience that might be explained somehow else.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 6:42 am SatyrWolf

      Yeah, you’re right. It was totally being fat. Had nothing to do with the depression and how it affects your body language, confidence, and overall vibe. People never sense when something’s off and rely solely on visuals.

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  17. on July 9, 2014 at 6:48 pm YaReally

    Currently 5’9″ and at the fattest of my life lol 210-ish pounds. This guy’s body is just slightly worse than mine:

    Like I’ve said before, most of the girls I’m with have banged jacked up studly dudes. There are so MANY of those guys these days since UFC got popular and every guy started hitting the gym more so they could stand around flexing in their Affliction shirts at the bar and talk about MMA shit lol And the girls I prefer are the dolled up types who tend to be more into looks than some plain-jane type.

    How am I performing this wizardry? ’cause women are attracted to vibe, charisma, dominance. When she gives that jacked up 6’4″ badass looking dude shit he’s telling them “baby I’m sorry, let me take you to dinner, will that help? I’m sorry okay?? Whatever I did, I’m sorry, just give me another chance okay?” and when she’s giving me shit I’m saying “lol no. You’re being retarded.” and they’re fascinated that I’m not treating them like their shit doesn’t stink.

    “But brah!! What if you’re out, like in public, and a jacked dude walks by!! And she LOOKS at him!! OMG then what huh??? SEE looks wins!!!”

    She can look all she wants, I don’t care, I’m looking at the girl in the short skirt that’s passing by us lol wtf do I care?

    “Ya but what if he HITS on her!! Brah I was at the bar once, and this girl was into me, and then this tall good looking guy talked to her and she went home with HIM!!! And my buddy? he’s this tall guy? And he gets girls ALL THE TIME!!!”

    Your game is shit and you are a pussy. 90% of the time guys lose their girl to a better looking/richer guy it’s because those guys gave that guy too much value and actually backed off themselves because they just assumed that guy deserved the girl more. This is just shitty internal mindsets.

    Like hey attractive tall rich dudes: Go ahead and hit on my girl, I’ll let you because I think it’s funny as fuck. If you do too well, I’ll just come in and throw her over my shoulder and carry her away. Or come in and chat you up and be cooler than you. Or walk by with some other girls to make her jealous enough to forget you exist because some other girl is flirting with me. Or I’ll start a fight with her and tell her to go suck your cock in the bathroom like a fucking whore I knew she was like that this is why I don’t get into relationships whatever fuck off go fuck this guy don’t ever talk to me again you fucking whore bla bla bla and she’ll run out of the bar crying and call me all night while you’re holding your drink trying to figure out wtf just happened.

    If you get her number, I’ll be telling her “lol wow THAT guy really? no some girls and I were laughing at how creepy he was when he was hitting on you, but you should totally fuck him then I don’t have to listen to you yap all night lol”

    “But BRAH!!! DUDE. MAN. You gotta’ unnerstand!! I had 9% body fat once and this girl felt my abs in the bar!!!”

    When I’m in set with ripped abs guys, I make the girls rub my buddha belly for good luck. None of that means anything lol

    If you are a super good-looking stud, you will do just fine, as long as you have no competition. A lot of these really good-looking dudes are used to guys backing off so when a guy doesn’t (especially a completely average looking guy like me), they panic and don’t know what to do because they don’t actually have any game, they’re just used to free gimme’s.

    “Ok ok but SRSLY…….what if a guy is there, and he’s 8 feet tall and he’s rich and he’s got a 6-pack AND he’s got game and super charming and knows all your PUA shit!!! Then wut huh???”

    The funny thing about life is that you only have so many hours in the day. If you’re working 100+ hours a week to become a CEO, you may pick up some alpha qualities from that, but you don’t have the time to go learn how to actually be good with women and really lock down solid game. If you’re bodybuilding, if you’re out climbing mountains, if you’re playing in some professional sport…that’s your life, that’s your focus, and you will be really good at doing those things, but those things are directly applicable to talking to and charming/fucking women.

    The way you get better with women is by interacting with women. That’s it. That’s the magic formula. Anything you do that isn’t interacting with women means that’s some percent worse you’ll be with women. I’m not saying you should making gaming women your priority 100% of your time, that’s unhealthy…but the average good-looking jacked up MMA CEO badass is still only hitting the bar once a week or a few times a month and rolling into the bar at midnight and spending half his night getting wasted instead of approaching girls. He’s really only spending like 10% of his time getting better with women because he doesn’t HAVE other time to invest in it. A PUA who prioritizes pickup and basically juggles a normal 9-5 job while going out approaching sober 3-5 nights a week rolling out at like 9pm or doing daygame etc. is spending like 60% of his time getting better with women. If he’s training his skillset right and actively working on improving/studying, and he can get over the mental hurdle of giving good-looking guys more value/credit than they actually deserve, he’ll have no problem taking girls from those guys.

    I also recommend a period of hyperfocus on pickup at the start too…my first 2 years of pickup were something like 90% of my time invested in it. If I wasn’t at my 9-5 job I was either in-field or reading/studying pickup resources. Like I lived ate and breathed it. Now I have other focuses but I gained more field experience in those 2 years than most guys get in their lifetime lol (52 weeks x 4 nights a week x 5 hours a night x 2 years = 2080 in-field hours…average guy goes out once a week max for 4 hours max so 52 weeks x 1 night a week x 4 hours a night x 2 years = 416 in-field hours (208 hours a year, so I had 10x their experience in a year)…in 10 years of partying (age 18-28, say) that’s 2080 in-field hours lol…I lived the average guy’s entire adulthood experience in 2 years…of COURSE they aren’t going to be able to take my girls off me except by fluke even if I’m not going out that hardcore these days (twice a week now) because I got such a turbo boost when I started. I probably won’t score on Michael Jordan if we played basketball, that doesn’t mean I’m not capable of it or that I’m a shitty person or that white guys can’t jump, it’s just that he’s just put in a million more hours on the court than I have because I was focused on other things besides basketball)

    But hey, whatever helps guys sleep at night lol Shave a bit more of that body-fat off, I hear girls only get with guys who look like Brad Pitt in Fight Club.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 12:37 pm AryanAbduction

      Stawp poasting

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 1:02 pm theasdgamer

      Go ahead and hit on my girl, I’ll let you because I think it’s funny as fuck.

      H311 yeah! Some dude was hitting on my wife and she had no clue that he was even trying. We laughed about it. Mrs. Gamer said that he was the kind of guy she would have friendzoned before we were married.

      Another guy at a bar offered to buy my wife a drink–she was standing 4 ft. away from me while I was ordering a drink. She said “No.” P I told her to accept next time and let him buy what I drink and then she can bring it to me. We laughed.

      If some guy hits on my wife, she’s not paying him much attention usually. She’s usually busy watching women flirt with me. She has poured beer on my ass for dancing too many dances with another woman, lol.

      Funny thing is, I’ve never even locked lips with another woman since I’ve been married. But I could have fakked a lot of women if I’d wanted to. Options are very important for married men–even faithful men.

      Dread Game FTW.

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  18. on July 9, 2014 at 7:07 pm Junior

    when the cowgirl’s allowed to saddle up, her hypergamy goes a huntin –

    “Reports of brisk business at divorce lawyer’s offices and STI clinics are legend in the weeks following Stampede,” she continues. “There’s even mythology about wedding band checks (similar to a coat check).

    https://ca.shine.yahoo.com/blogs/shine-on/cowboys-beware-divorce-spike-every-calgary-stampede-182204510.html

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  19. on July 9, 2014 at 7:09 pm the judge

    If a bitch digs you and you have a pot belly she will find an excuse to rub pat and hug your pot belly. If you have a six pack shell touch that. If you shave your balding head shell rub that. See where im going?

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 9:02 am Reco

      Exactly

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  20. on July 9, 2014 at 7:13 pm the judge

    And the more feminine she is the better..obviously

    Ill add I noticed russian strippers are always appreciative of bigger guys. More so than the american and american spanish ones. Im not going to include any conciliatory remarks because they are unnecesary for the few smart people who come here.

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  21. on July 9, 2014 at 7:56 pm Mr Meaner

    I’ve found older broads tend to respond much more viscerally to looks and physique.

    You can bang quite a few hottish older broads almost solely using good looks/physique with hardly any game.

    This won’t work on young hotties though. I’ve always kept in good shape but the times I’ve been REALLY jacked have not made a lick of difference to my prospects with younger chicks.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 6:52 am thwack

      that may be because the young ones assign more value to fun and excitement in contrast to older hotties who need a good hard pounding to prove they still have the ability to generate an erection harder than a bullet proof vest in a man like they did back in the day.

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  22. on July 9, 2014 at 8:56 pm Culum Struan

    Quick FR from last night – in a bar, I opened a HB8 22 year old college girl who was part of a big group. Good chat with my wing and me and her friends (she was telling us about wearing a slutty witch costume on Halloween etc) and kino was met with no resistance – eventually isolated her (albeit surrounded by her friends in a crowded bar) and then it fizzled out – mainly because I really need to work on my rapport/comfort building skills (not before I had got her – with a little reluctance – to turn around and then I complimented her ass etc to which she said thanks).

    Anyway, the point being that she was wearing an engagement ring which I noticed but ignored since she was young to be engaged and women wear it to repel unwanted guys etc. Later on, when I was talking to my wing he told me that she had told him (when he was briefly alone with her) that she was *engaged*, that her fiance was IN the bar with us (part of the big group) and they’d just had a romantic engagement in the last few months.

    I found it really interesting how she NEVER mentioned her fiance who was in the same room to me even when I was complimenting her ass and chatting for 20-25 min and she mentioned him within 2 mins to my wing (who is a cool guy with game – I think it may have been because the girl got engaged in my wing’s home town, but still..). And I only lost her because I’m not yet good enough to build rapport and comfort well..

    The whole thing reminded me like the beginning stages of YaReally ‘s anecdotes about banging girls with boyfriends etc..this stuff actually happens..

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 12:00 am YaReally

      @Culum
      “The whole thing reminded me like the beginning stages of YaReally ‘s anecdotes about banging girls with boyfriends etc..this stuff actually happens..”

      Skip to 19:50. Note the ring and bachelorette sash:

      Cue every guy looking for a unicorn: “MY girl would NEVER do that”. Of course she wouldn’t. That’s what this girl’s guy thinks lol

      Combine no judgement with no accountability/consequences and emotional stimulation/game and pretty much any girl will just go along with her emotions and backwards rationalize it all later.

      I don’t even think it’s a bad thing, I don’t hate women lol I think running with your emotions is very feminine behavior and I think it’s cute that they do it and I might even consider a long-term relationship with the right girl someday…but I wouldn’t legally tie myself to a woman with the expectation that either of us will make it 40+ years of monogamous marriage completely faithful lol. And I wouldn’t expect that I can let myself go once I enter a relationship and expect my girl to stay with me once I become a lazy 300lbs couch potato with no ambition or goals in life who fails all her shit-testing and lets myself become a blubbery beta schlub.

      But don’t worry guys who are angry reading this…YOUR perfect unicorn virgin religious girl from EE or Thailand won’t be a “nasty dirty slut” like other girls. Yours will be perfect and love you no matter what and will be a wild tomcat in bed that wants sex all the time but only with you. Lol

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 3:20 pm the judge

        If the culture youre in doesnt publically demonize and shun sluts then your gf is goi ng to be a total fucking whore whos willing to fuck other guys and is encouraged to do so by her cunt girlfriends. Women have no sense of honor or justice or morality. They view these systems as male oppression. Because they are eternal children. Children think this way.

        its why the muslims are beating us. And turning white sluts out fir a buck.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 10:32 pm theasdgamer

        @ YaReally

        I did marry a unicorn. It takes Game to keep her from turning into a harpy.

        I wasn’t a couch potato, but I did get up to 258 lbs. playing WoW while I was in a depression due to a Sex Strike, becoming unemployed, and other factors. It was a castrating experience.

        I grew a new set of ballz, remembered who I was in my days of pickup, recovered my frame, got a mission and strategy to achieve it, broke the Sex Strike, am writing a book, and have lost over 50 lbs.

        My wife is pretty hot for me anymore. She kissed me a few times in public last night while stone cold sober–she’s never done that before. There are other things I won’t go into.

        “Wild tomcat?” I prefer a succubus in bed.

        It ain’t easy, but the ideal is nearly achievable.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 9:07 am Reco

      Yes she is a woman…and if you are putting off an alpha vibe she will respond. Even worse is if her fiancé is there this was a test for him that he did not even say or do anything.

      Were you able to isolate her more…such as go out of view of her friends and fiancé?

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 12:40 pm Culum Struan

        Yeah exactly what YaReally said – it’s just sort of starting to get internalized for me (well, there was a one-off years ago I briefly had a fuckbuddy – a fool’s mate SNL from a club who then became a fuckbuddy, who was married. It was a green card visa marriage – she was a Thai woman in her 30s who had been imported by this rich guy in his late 60s, who had then got sick enough that they needed to setup hospital equipment at home. Anyway, she actually used to take me home, and we’d bang in the bedroom next to the room where her husband was literally lying unconscious with a ventilator in a hospital bed..she was cool with it as long as we were quiet going past his room!)

        @Reco – Although I noticed her ring I didn’t even register the fact she had a fiance till much later. So I didn’t factor it in at all. The layout of the club meant I couldn’t isolate her out of sight of her group and anyway I lost her at the rapport stage which was a pity.

        Incidentally, my wing last night was excellent but I don’t go out with him much – it reminded me AGAIN how powerful it is to have a good wing where you can pump up each other’s state and jointly set a very powerful fun/ sexual frame that overwhelms any girl who joins it..

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 8:41 pm Skip

      If you listen to the cheating slut in the tyler video you can clearly hear by the sound of her voice and every mannerism she displays that she is NOT a morally, spiritually (and I don’t mean religious here) or intellectually developed women. She is a product of modern Leftist culture; she is an idiot like 80% of society. You red pillers keep asserting that all women are cheating hypergamous sluts and they can’t help being that way because of evolutionary psychology bla bla bla.

      I’m not denying that humans have an animal nature. But the destruction of culture brought on by this combination of Leftism and libertarianism has been devastating for women. When religion died somewhere around the 50s, it was replaced by post-modern nihilism which destroyed all remnants of moral virtue and sexual virtue. Women are the feral sluts they are because no one teaches them how to be anything else.

      Further, Leftism has turned men into weaklings. The Left has waged a war against Masculine strength. If we lived in a better culture that did not allow women to go feral, that mandated moral honor under pain of social shaming and taught moral and sexual virtue from the time of youth, you would not see the depravity that we have in our cesspool of a culture or the type of idiotic, neotenous slut in the Tyler video. You also wouldn’t have a culture that publicly allowed PUAs or players. Young men would be forced to be husbands and fathers, not manwhores. YaReally would be a proud father of three not a self-righteously proud manwhore glorying depravity.

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      • on July 12, 2014 at 12:45 pm thrust

        truth~!

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  23. on July 9, 2014 at 9:23 pm Diogenes the Cynic

    On the “Narcissists on Twitter” feed, I was wondering if those kids were not storing those memories of the white female, blonde “savior” for the future ‘spank bank?’

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  24. on July 9, 2014 at 10:29 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

    “I wish I had your flat stomach!”
    I’ve been told this before too. I told her I wish I had her lush tits. This being said, it’s pretty much as it was said here: game can, usually, only get you girls a few points higher than you. If you want to bang hotties, being hot yourself will help, but it won’t get you in their beds. Working out just to get women is rather stupid, even if it helps in general.

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  25. on July 10, 2014 at 7:48 am gunslingergregi

    I guess gyms paying people to post to get memberships up

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  26. on July 10, 2014 at 9:13 am AlphaBeta

    There’s another confounder for the physically attractive guy: it’s real easy to overgame. Even though viscerally women don’t put as much emphasis on raw physical beauty as men, they still assume that a good looking guy must have lots of options.

    A plain looking guy acting aloof and teasing her is much more intriguing (and tingle generating) than a brad Pitt looking guy doing the same thing. And fucking things up more is the fact that there isn’t a wide concensus among women as to what is attractive (unlike with men). This might be the reason why redpill kjs think that you have to be good looking for game to work.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 12:35 pm corvinus

      There’s another confounder for the physically attractive guy: it’s real easy to overgame. Even though viscerally women don’t put as much emphasis on raw physical beauty as men, they still assume that a good looking guy must have lots of options.

      I suspect that’s another reason why tall good-looking guys tend to show lots of beta behavior, and fail to see the point of alpha behavior.

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  27. on July 10, 2014 at 3:53 pm DigDeeper

    “Visible abs” don’t matter if they are skinny man abs, or if the Commenter has a busted or asymmetrical face.

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    […] Women project their charisma-induced arousal onto men. Men project their visually-induced arousal onto women.  […]

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  29. on July 11, 2014 at 3:55 am Adam

    Niggas need to stop giving these bitches all the attention that’s why niggas is dying, hoes get horny, niggas die..

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  30. on August 3, 2014 at 8:24 am Zero

    I’m about 5’4″, I get a lot of shit from short girls. recently, I was at a club and I was trying to game a girl and she tried to brush me off saying “I need to lookup”, I was lost at what she meant because as much as I know that I’m short I’m not conscious about it especially in the club scene but it took me a brief few seconds to realize what she meant and I looked down on her and told her “you’re looking up” because she was shorter than me and I laughed myself silly

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  31. on August 4, 2014 at 3:17 am Daily Linkage – August 4, 2014 | The Dark Enlightenment

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