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A Family Friend Tried To Help Elliot Rodger Meet Girls

July 10, 2014 by CH

New information has come to light which provides further support for the theory that Elliot Rodger was the practical equivalent of a male feminist who was pathologically introverted, romantically isolated, and who simply didn’t understand that men and women are psychologically different and require different courtship approaches. A family friend of the Rodger’s understood intuitively what was wrong with Elliot: He needed help meeting girls.

When a student, Elliot Rodger, went on a rampage in California in May, killing six people, one man began wondering if he could have prevented it. Hollywood screenwriter Dale Launer knew Rodger and had tried to help solve his problems with women. […]

Launer: The Elliot portrayed in the manifesto and in the video he made was not the Elliot that I remember.

The person in that video was cocky, arrogant and hateful [ed: only in the end did Elliot become the jerk chicks dig]  – the Elliot I knew was a very meek, timid and awkward kid.

I first met him when he was aged eight or nine and I could see then that there was something wrong with him.

I’m not a psychologist, but looking back now he strikes me as someone who was broken from the moment of conception.

It appeared to me that he had an overwhelming lack of confidence but not in a particularly endearing way. Sad, but not endearing. […]

He never raised his voice – he didn’t even seem capable of raising his voice. He didn’t slam doors or pound his fist. I couldn’t imagine him making a fist.

Beta males rarely get into fights. “Have you ever been in a fight?” is a question on the Dating Market Value Test for Men for a reason.

In retrospect, you can point out a few clues, a few cracks to the malevolence percolating underneath but they were overshadowed by someone who seemed incapable of any kind of action.

He did not simmer or seethe. The boldness he showed in that video wasn’t something I ever saw before.

Elliot knew (to himself) he was about to die in that final video. That freedom may have allowed his long-dormant inner alpha to finally come out and play. Or, he could have been hopped up on cocaine or Xanax.

We met a few times and emailed a lot. He seemed convinced that women hated him but he could never tell me why.

It seemed like he would perceive cruelness or hatefulness when in fact, I suspected, he was just being ignored.

This is the developmental process by which woman-hating betas are created.

I remember giving him an assignment once so he could try to establish some kind of dynamic with a woman.

I told him, “When you see a woman next time you’re on campus and you like her hair or sunglasses, just pay her a compliment.”

I told him, “It’s a freebie, something in passing, you’re not trying to make conversation. Keep walking, don’t make any long eye contact, just give the free compliment.” The idea being you might make a friend if you make someone feel good.

I said to Elliot, “In the next few weeks – if you see them they’ll likely give you a smile – and you can smile back and eventually turn this into chit-chat.”

I got in touch with him a few weeks later and asked if he did it. He said “no”. And when asked why not, he said “Why do I have to compliment them? Why don’t they compliment me?”

At that stage, I realised he was very troubled.

This isn’t half-bad advice. Launer had good intentions and, it seems, a fairly decent grasp of women and what Elliot would need to do to get over his crippling introversion. It’s basically newbie game. “Get out there, say SOMETHING to girls that isn’t a compliment of their beauty, and move on while you still have the happy high of making an approach. Get used to talking to girls first before you start spitting seduction game.”

Elliot didn’t do it. That’s the source tragedy. I imagine his victims would be alive today if Elliot had completed Launer’s task. But for the flight of a betaboy, a typhoon brews in the sea…

Here we have our first hard evidence that Elliot didn’t get women at all. Similar to cellar-dwelling manlets who think that any proactive effort to woo women is tantamount to “putting the pussy on a pedestal”, Elliot believed that it was beneath him to approach girls and start a conversation. In his world of equalist ignorance, women are just like men, except with different genitalia, so logically why shouldn’t women approach him to give him compliments? If his premises are right, you can’t really argue with his conclusions.

But of course his premises were all wrong. And who knows why they were all wrong. Mental illness? Pathological neuroticism toxicified with a dash of repressed narcissism? A dearth of savvy male authority figures who could educate younger Elliot about the realities of female sexual nature?

Elliot needed guidance. He needed an experienced man — not a weirdo coterie of emotionally retreating family kin shoving pills down this throat — to patiently inform him before the rot had set that biological differences between the sexes means that women will rarely, if ever, approach men directly to start conversations, that it is the man’s job, if he wants sex and love in his life, to break the ice. And that however unfair Elliot deemed this state of the sexes, it was a reality that would never change, and never go away. He had only one choice: To make reality work for him, instead of fighting futilely against reality.

In one of the last emails I sent to him, I became quite frustrated.

I pointed out that he had the choice to change his circumstances, and if he didn’t make the effort then he had to take some of the blame. He insisted that, “I have to blame someone for my troubles, and I don’t blame myself.”

It appears that by the time Launer intervened, Elliot’s romantic ignorance and ego self-preservation had consumed him. He was beyond help. I wonder if Launer would have had more positive impact had he explained to Elliot WHY he needed to do his newbie game drill rather than just giving him the task without justification for it. Most unenlightened men who come to the Chateau to learn the ways of the crimson arts are first introduced to a steady diet of knowledge about psychosocial sex differences before the juicy game strategies are revealed.

One time there was a gathering at his parents’ place and Elliot was his usual uncomfortable self.

I asked Peter if Elliot was ticklish. Peter said he was, so I encouraged a couple of women to tickle him and you know, that was the only time I saw Elliot express any kind of joy. It seemed that, at least for those moments, he was a normal kid.

A woman’s touch is water to a parched man. Sad, sad Elliot. Game can save lives. But only for those willing to see.

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  1. on July 10, 2014 at 2:53 pm A Family Friend Tried To Help Elliot Rodger Meet Girls | Manosphere.com

    […] A Family Friend Tried To Help Elliot Rodger Meet Girls […]

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 7:43 pm anonYmous

      I had a “date” tonight. She cancelled, said she was sick… I was busy at work and slightly butthurt so I just ignored her message and kept working instead of leaving early and meeting her. So I get a message 45 minutes after we were supposed to meetup saying “I wasnt sure if you got my message so I went to such and such and waited 25 minutes for you, sorry I should of told you to message me back”. First time something like this has ever happened to me. lol

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 1:09 pm Knowbody

        reply “lol” or “…”

        or go total jerkwad with “are you retarded”

        yes, “retarded”….it’s in the bag if you hold frame when/if she gets huffy about the “R” word

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      • on July 13, 2014 at 9:46 am iamjacksrisingbile

        @Knowbody, speaking of holding frame, a girl i’ve been hooking up with on a weekly basis for the past 6 weeks or so (she still calls me new and shiny and it still creeps me out) asked me, “what’s the most dangerous thought to have ever crossed your mind?” i assumed she wanted me to be the one to fulfill her rape fantasy, but that’s in the bag anyway so i decided to tell her the truth. i told her, “not so much a thought, it’s something i don’t believe in. i don’t believe the holocaust lies, i.e. 6 million dead jews, zyklon b, hitler’s orders, etc.” she gave me a nazi salute after she came while riding cowgirl.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 10:40 pm Ja__

      Chateau, you have not done enough, you suck.

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    • on July 13, 2014 at 3:01 am evilwhitemalempire

      “In his world of equalist ignorance”
      ——————————–
      If you say that women should be the aggressors while men are the passive in all things dating and sex and then cry misogyny and sexual entitlement when a boy is driven bat shit crazy to the point of homicide because he behaved exactly like you said he should…. you might be a feminist.

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  2. on July 10, 2014 at 2:56 pm Flip

    I have a Mexican Spanish teacher who said that when he was learning English and asked questions of his teacher, his teacher said “don’t ask me why, ask me how.”

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  3. on July 10, 2014 at 2:57 pm pjay

    When Hugo Schwyzer
    Goes on a rampage,
    We will Know
    He hated Game…..

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 6:25 pm Reg Cushman

      Hugs banged a lot of his female students. He talked the feminist line and gamed them silly out of the other side of his mouth. Women understand this. Talk is cheap. They pay attention to how you act. You should always take what they say with a handful of salt, and watch what they do.

      Hugs is batshit crazy, but he instinctively understands women. He says he’s anti game while practicing game. They love it.

      Some shirty little spergtard is going to say it’s logically impossible to get laid by being a hypocrite. Go cry in your hugbox, retard.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 1:55 am cynthia

        Women don’t really understand this, at least not in the way you describe.

        What they understand is that finally they can have their cake and eat it too – a guy who spouts all the highly important things they believe in, but still behaves like that hot dominate man they are of course entitled to. His words put them at ease, and thus, make it permissible to give in the baser urges.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 10:29 am Harsh

        Leave my hugbox out of it!

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  4. on July 10, 2014 at 2:58 pm yeahokcool

    This photo (from an article CH posted) is absolutely terrifying: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/29/article-2043345-0E269FEE00000578-331_634x438.jpg

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 4:32 pm burke

      “women are just like men, except with different genitalia” WHOA there, women may be born with a penis! see above

      you see, gender is a choice, and environment, and conditioning, but attraction is bone-deep inborn and unchangeable. now let’s cut this kid’s dick off

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 5:55 pm nomad

        Yeah, I shudder at the thought of cutting anyone’s dick off but you gotta feel sorry for this poor kid.

        Whether it’s the absence of a father figure and growing up in a lesbian household that makes him a dick-hater or just a cruel joke by mother nature, this kid has a shitty deal.

        What you say about attraction being in-born and unchangeable is right on. My first memories of being attracted to girls was when I was probably 4 or 5. Way before I even knew what attraction was and there was no question that I didn’t feel the same way about the male gender. No one conditioned me to feel that way. It just…was.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 6:24 pm blindman

        poor kid is right. his body doesn’t match up with his mind.

        it would be hard to know what to do if you were a parent with a kid like that. some kids do the gender swapping stuff when they are young but grow out of it and end up revealing they are gay later on and then you have some people who aren’t gay but feel like they are trapped in the wrong body.

        my cousin was a transgender. all the men in that family were normal guys but he had something different about him at the get go so i don’t think it was conditioning.

        he had gender reassignment surgery when he was around 40 and became a full blown woman. but like Burke said, “attraction is bone-deep inborn and unchangeable” so even after the surgery, he was still attracted to women like he had been his whole life. gender and attraction aren’t always related.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 6:40 pm rusher

        “attraction is bone-deep inborn and unchangeable”

        yup. this is what women don’t understand. you can’t condition us to be attracted to fat ugly women and turned off by hot chicks. we are what we are.

        our dick gets hard for a girl or it doesn’t and we have have no control over that.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 4:55 pm Greg Eliot

      I don’t see any terror… I see like breed like, the way of all things.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 9:00 pm Modern Primitive

      What article is that from?

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 9:28 pm yeahokcool

        A tweet

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  5. on July 10, 2014 at 3:22 pm Corey

    “Why do I have to compliment them? Why don’t they compliment me?”

    It’s the same mentality of the fat acceptance movement e.g. “Why do I have to lose weight? Why don’t they think fat is beautiful?”

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  6. on July 10, 2014 at 3:26 pm noplanes911

    Can’t believe you’re still peddling this hogwash, this ridiculous incident was a black operation against the manosphere, nobody really died. Elliot is standing in front of a green screen in his stupid confession tapes.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 3:40 pm Heywood Jablome

      Lemme guess: chemtrails triggered by HAARP were injected into the water supply by grey aliens who were responsible for 9/11?

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 3:43 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Don’t be silly, it’s all the Jews, don’t you read the comments here?

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 3:52 pm Heywood Jablome

        I believe the correct spelling is “DA JOOOOOZ!!1!”

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 4:07 pm whorefinder

        Ask PA. Of course, he won’t give you a straight answer or a falsifiable theory; hell just rant that “you’re all sheeple” and “controlled demolition!” and call me Jewish and in favor of open borders.

        And yet he thinks he has credibility.

        Gamme-commie rape!

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 4:10 pm Heywood Jablome

        PA?

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 4:41 pm oralcummings

        You girls having fun?

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 5:57 pm Canadian Friend

        Don’t be silly, it’s all the Jews, don’t you read the comments here?

        How do we know those Jews are not body snatchers aliens?

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 6:02 pm Hugh G. Rection

        It’s always with the same fucking shit, can we please have another approach week?

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 7:51 pm ho

        I wonder how you can read these sites and still react like a retard a la “Hurr Durr, JOOOOOOZ, how dare you be a human being with ability to observe and think”

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 8:33 pm gunslingergregi

        Hugh G. Rection

        It’s always with the same fucking shit, can we please have another approach week?
        ””””””””’
        wait isn’t this the punch a wall thread he he he

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 9:06 pm Greg Eliot

        ANOTHER Approach Week?

        Shoot, I’ve already filled my yearly quota of negresses.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 7:34 am ManlyMan

      @noplanes

      Ahh, yes. It was all planned by a secret branch of the CIA in their Deep Underground Military Bases.

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  7. on July 10, 2014 at 3:40 pm Very Lesser Beta

    All the manlet digs from Heartiste are beginning to become unsettling.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 3:46 pm CH

      the power of positive shivving.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 4:08 pm Very Lesser Beta

        When it comes to manlets there’s no such thing. It eats at our core.

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  8. on July 10, 2014 at 4:06 pm Wisdom Dispenser

    You can’t fix crazy. Elliot Rodger was crazy.

    “You’ve gotta crawl before you can walk…” That’s the mentality you need if you’re starting anything new.

    Elliot wanted to start out as a US Navy SEAL, but didn’t want to put in any of the effort to get to that point. I don’t care what you do, if you want to get good at something, you’re going to have to fail and fuck-up every along the way.

    Do you think those SEALs (or Delta, or Marine Force Recon, or any other Special Operations groups our beloved overlords in Washington have that we don’t know about…) just woke up one day, and out of the blue, decided to jump in a plane heading for Afghanistan, Iraq, or some other third-world hellhole, and started shooting guns?

    Fuck No!

    It takes lots of dedication, hard work, time and effort! Those guys wanted to be SpecOps Operators more than anything else in their lives. They started at the very bottom, worked their way up. They messed up, and fucked up along the way, they have the medical records to prove it.

    Elliot Rodger’s mentality would be: “Why should I have to go for runs? I should just get the title ‘SEAL’ now…” or “Why should I have to hold my breath under water? I should be able to just float in the shallow end of the pool with my inflatable floaters on my arms…” or “Why should I learn how to shoot a gun? Just gimme the gun and let me at the bad guys…” (Thank God Elliot didn’t sell his BMW and use the money to take shooting lessons and buy more ammo, he might have actually hit someone on his first attempt.)

    Elliot Rodger had a desire for women, but didn’t want to put in the effort to actually figure out how to achieve that goal.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 4:40 pm oralcummings

      Just about any sentence that starts with the words,”Why should I…” is most likely gonna be some fag bullshit.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 5:05 pm gunslingergregi

        yea but special forces types know ultimately why they are doing something
        I didn’t see a need for times tables to be memorized in my life their were calculators after all
        my dad tried and tried to get me to learn em I didn’t fucking want to waste the brainpower I guess on something that didn’t make sense
        finally I realized maybe it was a good idea and learned em the next day

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 5:11 pm gunslingergregi

        so yea now I realize why it is nice to be able to solve math problems in my head but then it was like just cause they have a rule you can’t use calculators doesn’t mean that in real life I couldn’t use a calculator to be able to solve problems I would have if I was in the real world away from that bullshit rule
        in that fake world

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 5:13 pm oralcummings

        By the phrase “why should I” I meant the resentful sullen objection to doing tough things.. Questioning why you need to do something,such as ‘why do I need to be confident,why isn’t being shy and quiet attractive?’, is an entirely different thing.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 5:14 pm gunslingergregi

        just like the stupid Spanish memorization bullshit classes which were a big chunk of my time and learning time that could of definetly been used elsewhere
        I have lived in other countries and never needed to learn the stupid fucking language

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 5:20 pm gunslingergregi

        dispenser has some good point but

        “You’ve gotta crawl before you can walk…”

        is not really true for some people some people can just walk if given the right motivation
        but yea explaining in those terms of why they are being forced to crawl could be helpful to their understanding
        explaining the why of things and why it is set up a certain way for the morons to be able to learn something that you may only have to look at and know but you also maybe know your brain capacity only so big and you don’t want to put stupid shit you don’t want nor need into it

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 5:22 pm Wilson

      It’s pretty much the typical attitude, though, so you can’t really call it crazy. And it’s only half from weakness/laziness, since any time a man realizes that he is on the wrong track 90% of the people around him tell him just to be himself, and that any concerted effort to have sex with women is deviant, immoral, and ultimately criminal behavior.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 8:01 am blogster

      i can see what you are saying. but i can also see elliot rodger’s point. Put simply, men have to work more to get a lesser return. Men have to work for their value, they have to build it. Women genetically get gifted their value. Men at their core desire pussy. women desire good genes, access to reproductive resources, comfort, committment etc etc. much more.

      Yes men get to be them makers of history, but the cost is considerable. Women get what they biologically desire at a much lower cost. I get his position.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 9:43 am Canadian Friend

        For a man it is like doing telemarketing or going door to door like a peddler; a man has to “call” a hundred women before one is interested in what he is selling. There will 99% rejection by cold arrogant women before there is one reward.

        While for women it is like a “for sale” sign outside a house; they get offers all day long. All women have to do is sit and wait until they find an offer they like. They do not have to deal with rejection, and they do not have to work at all. It is handed to them on a silver plate. Any woman who is not ugly or too fat gets lots of offers.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 12:10 pm Gro Haila

        “Put simply, men have to work more to get a lesser return. Men have to work for their value, they have to build it.”

        But then, then you have it for decades to enjoy. For chicks is a 12-15 year window. Then BLAMO!

        [CH: precisely.]

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 12:28 pm Amy

        “Women get what they biologically desire at a much lower cost.”

        Maybe lower, but not much lower. Elliot Rodger didn’t see the whole picture. Yes it’s easier for women to get sex, but that’s generally incidental to what we really want, which is commitment. Commitment is much harder to get. You think beautiful women don’t get rejected for commitment? Sure they do.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 2:17 pm Canadian Friend

        Yes maybe it is hard for women to find men who want to commit, maybe most of them only want a one night stand, but it is still easier as you do not have to do anything, men stand in line to talk to you.

        The last one was not ready to commit? big deal put on a nice dress, some lipstick, go sit on a park bench or at a cafe, read a book and soon another one will make you and offer, don’t like that one? wait a few minutes another one will walk up to you and make an offer.

        Any woman who is higher than a 5.5 and takes care of how she looks gets many offers a day.

        I know, I have dated over two dozen women from 5.5s to 8s and they told me and showed me that is how it is for them, at the drugstore, in the soup aisle, crossing a street, every where and any where they have men asking them out left and right.

        Some men even asked them out while I was only a few yards away!!

        like I said it is like a for “sale sign” and receiving lots of offers which is damn easy work compared to us men having to go from door to door being rejected a million times before we get one “yes”.

        For us men if the one who said yes after we got rejected a hundred times turns out to be a bitch and we have to get rid of her, it is going to be a lot of hard work to find another one.

        For guys who are “naturals” who have a high level of self confidence it is easy, but the average guy is not like that. If a guy is shy or is a bit lacking in self confidence, getting back on the horse and approaching women knowing he will be rejected a hundred times before one says yes can be discouraging.

        There is no comparison.

        Only ugly women can relate to what it is for the average man on the “dating scene”

        I was voted an 8.6 on Hotornot a couple years ago ( after over a thousand votes) and I am told regularly I am good looking ( actually they usually say handsome or cute ), have been told all my life, and yet, I too get rejected at times, sometimes by 6s!!! yes women who do not even look as good as I do sometimes lift their nose on me!

        If women reject an 8.6 like me, it must damn hard for men who are 6s ( which is the majority ).

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 2:26 pm CH

        no, the thrust (heh) of amy’s comment was true. women really don’t care as much as men do about getting laid. women care more about getting waylaid… by the right sort of man. and it is hard for middling women to lock down desirable men in long-term relationships. while no intersex comparison is 1:1, a good case can be made that sluts who can’t get men to commit to them suffer a similar psychological pain to male incels.

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  9. on July 10, 2014 at 4:08 pm Director

    I’m amazed that the notes from therapy have not surfaced yet. This writer instinctively knew that all he had to do was compliment a chicks shoes, jewelry, glasses. Did the therapists explain basic courtship rituals?

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  10. on July 10, 2014 at 4:11 pm Director

    Did any therapists explain basic courtship rituals? Or just his dad’s friends?

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  11. on July 10, 2014 at 4:31 pm JenkPac Shakur

    I’m beginning to doubt Elliot Rodger had any mental illnesses whatsoever, his parents were simply too self involved to raise him and so put him into endless therapy so pills could be shoved down his throat and make him docile and easier to manage since boys left to their own devices when young are typically rambunctious and can mess up a house something fierce due to their youthful energy and I mean that in the sense of even when a kid is let outside regularly he might come back in unexpectadly and track mud everywhere in the house, etc.

    Continuing the lack of mental illness angle I think many people are more comfortable saying “Oh so and so was a sick F” because then that type of thinking turns that person into “the other” which frees society from coming to terms with the idea that maybe its a little sick itself and creates people like this as a result of it’s own sickness or a sickness simply ever present in the human species as a whole and so its psychologically safer for the rubes to demonize Elliot and monsterize him or mental illness shame label him than simply acknowledge that from the kid’s own personal life experiences and perspective from that he simply came to a logical course of action that was well thought through and sane for his own life up to this point.

    Had he better parents, friends and role models growing up he could’ve became the loveable asian nerd archetype and acheived a level of success with women that although maybe not Don Magic Juan-esque in scope would at least satisfy his urge to merge and keep away the shadow of the deadly sperg.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 4:47 pm cryo

      Agreed. Elliot Rodger is a case study in the effects of alienation and atomization in a post-civilized hedonistic culture.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 8:25 pm The Stark Truth

        Exactly isolation and atomization can exasterbate even he mildest mental deficiency. Mental illness is a way of saying look that person is crazy they have no grievances against society.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 10:16 am thwack

        Indeed; Anders Brevik is ALSO a case study in the effects of alienation and atomization in a post-civilized hedonistic culture.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 1:58 am cynthia

      I agree with the feminists that it’s indicative of the state of today’s boys. A generation stunted by our society’s over-reliance on shrinks and psych-drugs to address family problems and natural urges.

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  12. on July 10, 2014 at 4:47 pm koksuker99

    No you’re wrong. THe kid was a repressed gay this is very clear. This is why all this stuff “didn’t work” and why he didn’t approach women. If you want to give advice to gays please do it. Unlike beta straights they don’t have any means whatsoever of getting what they want because they can’t “spit game” to straight guys and get them in bed.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 5:09 pm oralcummings

      He wasn’t gay.Wouldnt the fags have picked that up–they can smell a fellow traveler a mile away–and been all over him? Course maybe he was fucked over by some fags,leaving his soul shredded. Molested by fags would explain the rage.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 7:06 pm olympiapress

        He liked being touched by women. If he was gay, even secretly, he’d’ve recoiled from the tickling.

        /”A woman’s touch is water to a parched man.” Awesome line.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 9:05 pm Modern Primitive

      If he was gay do you think he would have had any issues picking up men?

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 11:03 am Nicole

        He might. My bottom friends say he looks like a bottom and they’re not Lesbians. My top friends say he looks like a crazy bitch.

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  13. on July 10, 2014 at 4:56 pm gunslingergregi

    maybe we need places where little boys can go and destroy things
    I know I had that growing up had a whole mountain of woods and cliffs and territory to uproot and smash rocks and climb cliffs and trees catch shit with my hands in streams and basically just run around like a little madman possessed by demons and physically learn about life and nature and the world with my hands
    hell we prob need that for adult men too
    had a 5 year old boy for 5 days to take care of and he wanted to go home at restaurant really he was just bored with the talking going on and done eating
    I took him outside and knew there was an incline I saw some high school kids run up before and there are rocks all over told him he could run up it
    he starts throwing rocks lol I give him a safety course on where it is safe to throw rocks and watch them smash at lol when someone is at the bottom of the steep incline throw them to the side hahahahahahahahahhaahah
    I made it to top with him in my sandals which no easy feat it got slippery
    but yea we walked back down around and back in with the rest of the quasi family and he was definetly more relaxed
    went back out and had all three the kids running up and down the hill
    I waited at a bad spot at bottom to catch em my girl at bottom as backup
    they had a lot of fun on that hill trail and it was free he he he
    reminded me of when I was young but I used to climb diamond hill and run down it
    look it up online yea I used to run full speed down that shit with all the huge rocks and everything the most free thing you will ever do

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 10:53 am Dunderhead

      Exactly… And you’re a good soul to do that. Incredibly important for boys to be boys.

      My son likes to shoot guns and blast stuff… So I find every opportunity to take him to the range. We slap box all the time and I encourage him to hit me hard.

      Suppress their natural inclination to violence and you risk getting it back in spades down the road in really destructive ways.

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  14. on July 10, 2014 at 4:57 pm Zombie Shane

    Heartise, July 7, 2014: “A dearth of savvy male authority figures who could educate younger Elliot about the realities of female sexual nature?”

    Heartise, May 29, 2014: “This is significant because his father on the show has always said he has “a” son, as in only one. In this video from the TV show it shows the father at the family table with the son from the second marriage, but not Elliot.”

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/elliot-rodger-sexual-entitlement-father-abandonment-and-the-anti-boy-therapy-culture/

    GOD DAMN IT, HEARTISTE – DO A “Ctrl-f” ON TODAY’S ESSAY – THE WORD “father” DOES NOT APPEAR IN IT!!!

    Yeah, the name “Peter” eventually appears at the very end: “Peter” the Progeny-Torturing Peckerhead Hollyweird Pornographer who needs to burn in hell for all eternity.

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  15. on July 10, 2014 at 5:30 pm gunslingergregi

    “I have to blame someone for my troubles, and I don’t blame myself.”

    “Why do I have to compliment them? Why don’t they compliment me?”

    ”””””””’

    yea he imbibed the equalism and yea really it wasn’t his fault It is what he was taught
    I was pretty pissed to when I found out shit like people got paid for working at non profits and the country wasn’t a free country in any way shape or form
    and slavery Is still ongoing and nobody talks about it
    except now they talk about human trafficking of woman which really not true but then don’t talk about all the men that are being actually and really trafficked by the government with child support and alimony payments and actually at the point of a gun
    and forced movement of people and intregration is happening and the us is not really the good guy like in a movie where ya can tell
    someone should of told him what he is being taught is bullshit yea its life life is a big steaming pile of bullshit but you can still have a good time
    oh yea and ya can only use 3k per year of lost money in stocks to offset earnings now that one really pissed me the fuck off cause I always heard on the bullshit news how people were selling and taking losses or whatever on shit to be able to claim it for later or some shit just more bullshit

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  16. on July 10, 2014 at 5:35 pm gunslingergregi

    Annual Salaries

    Annual salaries for diocesan priests ranged between $15,291 and $18,478 as of 2002, according to “Roman Catholic Priests.” This was higher than the income range reported for 1998, cited by the United States Department of Labor’s Occupational Outlook Handbook, which showed annual salaries between $12,936 and $15,483. Additional benefits, such as housing, medical insurance, and a retirement plan, might push the package value over $30,000 a year.

    Read more : http://www.ehow.com/info_12152185_much-catholic-priests-paid.html
    ”””””””’

    and our kid needs to know this shit too if you are catholic mutherfuckers getting paid to do it
    not doing it for god only or some belief
    they get free housing and cash
    educate your kids

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 5:36 pm gunslingergregi

      I can tell ya I would of had a fuck of a lot less respect for priests if I knew they got paid to do what they do

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 6:03 pm Canadian Friend

        Still… $30,000 a year is not a lot…

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 8:23 pm gunslingergregi

        more than the 1700 a month for putting my life on line in bosnia with combat pay
        I made 620 a month as e2
        I made 900 as single e4

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 10:16 pm Tilikum

        blackwater hehehe

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 2:43 am gunslingergregi

        he he he
        yea you better not space your he’s
        hands cigar lol

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 7:18 am thwack

        gunslingergregi
        more than the 1700 a month for putting my life on line in bosnia
        ————————————————————————————

        But you also got to shoot people who didn’t listen, kick in doors, push people around with your rifle butt…

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      • on July 14, 2014 at 10:42 am JB

        “more than the 1700 a month for putting my life on line in bosnia”

        Fighting for your enemies.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 9:14 pm Greg Eliot

      Few men ever lose their shirt selling gowns to the brides of Christ.

      Heck, right from the start it was a sweet deal for the “priestly class”… just do the math of the 12 Tribes and tithing… each of the other 11 tribes gives 1/10 of their goods/monies to the tribe in charge of the race’s spiritual well-being, which means said tribe of priests get 110% and their contributors are at the 90% level of their original wealth.

      Not a bad day’s work for reciting a few verses and waving of the hand…

      True, there was a little manual labor involved in carrying around that box that melts Nazis when you open it… but it wasn’t all that heavy.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 4:23 am gunslingergregi

        I knew the ministers and shit got paid but I thought priests were some hardcore real dudes living a hard principle based on their faith
        maybe it is just certain monks that have to do the vow of poverty
        I mean yea still hard giving up pussy but paid to do it

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  17. on July 10, 2014 at 5:41 pm gunslingergregi

    As one example, in July 2011, a job posting for an ordained Roman Catholic priest to serve as the priest chaplain for a hospital offered a minimum hourly salary of $20.24, and a maximum hourly salary of $32.99. The full-time position offered 32 weekly hours, making the annual salary of a priest for the position, earning the maximum range, slightly under $55,000. The position was eligible for additional benefits. The job requirements included a Master of Divinity degree.

    Read more : http://www.ehow.com/info_12152185_much-catholic-priests-paid.html””””””

    well shit

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 5:44 pm gunslingergregi

      so the dude that came to my hospital room got paid to do it
      wtf dude

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 5:46 pm gunslingergregi

        they need to tell you that shit when they come to room need a disclaimer so you know it ain’t no supernatural shit going on it is cold cash making em do it
        so really dudes talk about dieing alone hell if you got loot you can just pay a priest to sit there with you
        jesus fucking Christ money isn’t just everything it is everything
        motherfucking still buying heaven and shit

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 5:53 pm gunslingergregi

        so hookers more real than catholic priests
        and actually do volunteer work for real
        wow life really is insane

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 5:55 pm gunslingergregi

        all the fucking time in religion classes in catholic school they never told me the priest got paid for being at the deathbed
        and not doing it for love of another person or because he believed he would go to heaven
        or because it was needed to be done to ease suffering

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 3:45 am Zombie Shane

      GSGI Luther

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther

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  18. on July 10, 2014 at 6:29 pm Dunderhead

    Man, I was this guy… Much milder version, but same mindset. Thought girls actually owed me something and would become disappointed when THEY didn’t approach and ignored me. CH, Rollo, YaReally and a few others set me straight.

    So much different, and so much more fun now that I can even spit just a little game. Sitting in a bar last night by myself. Grab some dinner and a beer. Shooting the shit with this hot little 24 year old Asian bartender. Petite, tight little ass, firm little apple tits.

    Just vibing away… Talking. And she’s fidgeting like CRAZY. Smiling, laughing, playing with her hair, and folding and unfolding the bar towel over and over and over again while I’m chatting with her in a cool, calm relaxed, way. I’m almost 50! And here I am using this secret power I never knew existed to make a woman that nervous. Man, that’s intoxicating. Something I’ve never experienced before.

    She’s dying for me to ask for her number… Keeps telling me that she knows someone who could help me with X or Y. I cut the conversation short, get my tab and notice that she comped me both beers. Pay the tab and get up to leave. See her disappointment out of the corner of my eye… Stop, hesitate and turn around (like I’d forgotten something) hand her my phone and say give me your #. Her face lights up and her eyes widen.

    First time I’d ever really internalized the “I am the prize” dynamic. What’s funny is that after first stumbling here and unplugging I was super bitter. YaReally and others have it right though. You can’t do anything about the way women are… It’s just the way it is. The bitterness will eat you alive.

    But harnessing the power to make women weak in the knees instead (and just as importantly recognizing those female “tells”) is a truly amazing feeling. That sort of visceral reaction from a hot 24 year old woman is something I never thought I’d experience in my life.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 6:59 pm Heywood Jablome

      Kudos.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 7:02 pm immoralgables

      Cheers man and congrats. The forum needs more stories like this.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 2:00 pm Gro Haila

        On July 9th COTW insulting reply posted by a someone else using my alias. Apologies.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 6:50 am newlyaloof

      Outstanding story. Keep giving us field reports, man!

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 7:07 am theasdgamer

      You have unplugged from the Matrix.

      There are still threats, just a different kind.

      You can experience this kind of dynamic as long as you can move with grace and power.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 8:20 am Zombie Shane

      “I am the prize”

      DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!

      We have a winner, folks. We have a winner.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 9:57 am Mel Gibson

      Well done.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 2:05 pm YaReally

      Glad to have helped get you onto a better path. Life is pretty awesome when you shake yourself out of the angry/depressed fog and finally figure out how to take control of it. 🙂 Props on the solid close and letting her sweat it out a little before grabbing the number lol

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  19. on July 10, 2014 at 6:38 pm A Family Friend Tried To Help Elliot Rodger Meet Girls | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  20. on July 10, 2014 at 6:39 pm walawala

    There is something I occasionally battle which is scarcity mentality or beta mindset. It take discipline to man up….it’s far easier to “be nice”…because you think that’s what girls want.

    I’m now chatting with a girl I used to bang. She wants to meet up …on her terms..i come over…she’s switching the dates etc.

    I’ve just thought hmmmmm…well ok…but then thought NO….so I’ve suggested a date and time more suitable to me and she keeps waffling.

    The thing that keeps me focused is that I number closed another girl last night who took my phone, showed me how to “add” on iPhone, punched in her number, then texted herself so I’d be sure to do it.

    That’s the difference. A scarcity mentality or “beta mindset” comes when you don’t have options.

    I don’t know how to communicate this any differently but game requires patience and persistence in the face of what often seems like huge odds against you.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 7:03 pm immoralgables

      Yep nailed it.

      Although, sometimes you don’t have to have options. Knowing you can walk out the door and generate another can keep you from getting oneitis-y.

      Although, you really have to be gaming consistently to internalize that tomorrow you can meet another girl.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 4:26 am Adam

        I think this is an important mindset to internalize and bring to all aspect of your life.

        “Allow nothing to be in your life that you cannot walk away from in 30 seconds flat.”

        Which could be for any reason, people have their own value system or boundaries but you have to be prepared to walk if the mark is overstepped.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 4:33 am Adam

        I think the cure for oneitis is just reading the definition of it. When I read that it was like I snapped out of a trance. I slapped myself in the face afterwards too for good measure. Awareness is key!

        http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oneitis

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  21. on July 10, 2014 at 6:45 pm bob Wallace

    Rodger was an effeminate Asian male (I’ve had Asian females tell me he was creepy-looking) so “cocky, arrogant and hateful” would have only driven women the other way. He might still be alive had he been sent to live in the Philippines, where half-breeds are preferred. Game is not God and doesn’t work all the time. For some, there is no hope here. They’d do better in another country, like Seung-Hui Cho.

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  22. on July 10, 2014 at 7:18 pm The Stark Truth

    In the Barbara Walters interview Elliot’s dad said he offered to take him to a Nevada Brothel. Elliot was not interested and said he wanted love and validation. I don’t know if Elliot could of learned Game. While I’m not a Game denialist sometimes I think its over hyped in the sense it doesn’t work for everyone. People are saying Elliot was spoiled but as I pointed out in my interview with Matt Forney growing up around wealth and status can be brutal when one has very low social status. I disagree with that guy who said he was broken from conception. Maybe he could of turned out OK if brought up in a healthier environment. That kind of environment can be brutal.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 9:10 pm Modern Primitive

      ” While I’m not a Game denialist sometimes I think its over hyped in the sense it doesn’t work for everyone.”

      Funny, it seems to work for most people who accept and commit to it.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 9:16 pm Greg Eliot

      In the Barbara Walters interview Elliot’s dad said he offered to take him to a Nevada Brothel. Elliot was not interested and said he wanted love and validation.

      As do we all… now, who’s up for a road trip?

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 3:11 am gunslingergregi

        me my chick on bedrest and no dick for a week

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 10:47 pm JenkPac Shakur

      Yeah me too. Elliot wasn’t broken from conception. He just had no one at all in his life to teach him game the proper way. The guy his father got to help him had that horrible teaching method I’ve always despised where the teacher will tell you to do something and not explain the reasons behind it. The idea of course is for you to figure it out later and have a eureka moment but you don’t give a left brained over analytical beta male (like most of us are before we learned game) a teaching method that is heavily dependent on intuition. We need to have our improper beta worldview confronted and gradually deconstructed bit by bit via sound red pill logic which our overly logical minds can then process, weigh over and begin to gradually accept and digest over the course of time. In essence our teacher or “game coach” whomever it may be should never overestimate our abstract reasoning/intuitive intelligence abilities but instead lay the full scope of their teachings/red pill truths out bluntly and matter of factly sort of like how The Terminator laid out the war, judgement day and all the future things to come to the Miles Bennet Dyson token magic kneegrow character of T2’s narrative who unsurprisingly in this ZOG Hollywitz movie was a brilliant scientist who ended up bringing about the movie’s global future disaster through his work.

      Anyway George Sodini had a similar problem with that R. Don Steele game teacher. Steele basically rambled about his mother and how women will hurt you like nothing else etc meanwhile I’m sure Sodini was sitting there thinking “When is this guy going to get to the fucking point and teach me how to get laid and rebuild my broken life already?”

      So to conclude the best teachers to prevent more Sodinis and Rodgers are those that get to the point quickly and don’t leave out details in some nonsensical belief the student’s intuition is going to kick in and they’ll be off to rapid success.

      News to these type of teachers: If our intuition was properly working to begin with we wouldn’t need Heartiste, Rollo and The Manosphere in general to unfuck our brains surrounding women!

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    • on July 15, 2014 at 11:31 am The Watcher

      Reading his manifesto it rather looks like he was in fact literally broken from conception. An ‘accident’ while his mum was on the pill. Who knows how long she kept on taking it before she realised she was pregnant. All those hormonal fluctuations can’t be very good for a developing brain can they? That’s basically what Asperger’s is as lot of the time, a kind of intersex neurology. In this case someone with a strong male sex drive but female dating instincts, who just wouldn’t ever sacrifice his principles for the chance to get some action.

      There’s now a hell of a lot of very mixed up people under 30, in case you hadn’t noticed, and these kinds of incidents are going to be a regular occurrence.

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  23. on July 10, 2014 at 7:23 pm immoralgables

    Know what, fuck it, it’s story time

    Tuesday I have a Day 3 with this V. Cute Asian (Hb7) that I picked up in my neighborhood. Day 2 went very well yet something was telling me more comfort was needed. This is the one that I escalated with hard at the park and tried to get into her apt after but no dice.

    So I broke all the rules this time.

    Had her meet me at this restaurant nearby to grab a bite to eat and I paid. I don’t normally grab a bite to eat with a girl unless I’ve been seeing her for a while but damn, I really wanted to get laid.

    Meet up, go for the kiss on the lips (pro-move btw) and walk towards the restaurant which is conveniently near both of our apt. We eat, we talk, I’m not really gaming at all. Just enjoying myself and the meat platter I had us split.

    Pay the tab. She gives a very perfunctory “thank you” like she expected it. My spidey-sense goes off on how she says thanks. Fucccck, one of these older girls that expects the guy pay for everything according to the social narrative she bought into.

    Step outside. Lots of makeout and ass-grabbing and it starts raining so we go under an awning where I try to go back to her place. “One of my rules is you can’t come back to my place on the 2nd date.”

    So I’m kind of frustrated but per Scray’s advice I just say “Alright” and keep trying to escalate. 2 Steps back, one step forward, ya know.

    Try to push back to my place to watch a movie. She’s not having it and knows what’s up. Finally push towards across the street to the same 2nd venuelounge I took her on our Day 2. Ask her if she was still mad at me that I made her pay when we previously went there. (I pay at first venue and try to get girls to pay at the 2nd).

    She said it was really bad form that I actually had her pay. I’m like “Wutttt….”

    Her: “You know, you’re the guy. You’re the one pursuing me….”

    Me: “Wait, what, you really think that I have to pay for everything?”

    Her: “Well you’re the one that chased me down the street. I mean…”

    Me: “Hm, yeah cool.” (Turn around, and walk the fuck out without saying bye.)

    Her: (Gasps)

    Walk.the.fuck.out

    WALKED, THE FUCK, OUT

    I’ve never done that before. Usually I wanted the puss that bad but this Daygame/Approach Everyday thing told me I didn’t have to keep spending for the lay…not on those terms.

    Beyond that, I had legit reference experiences of either other girls paying or girls fucking me without me paying as a requisite.

    I start walking back to my place and don’t look back. I’m frustrated for sure but very weird this feeling I got. There will actually be more. Maybe not tonight but more. Seriously haven’t internalized that feeling until then.

    A block down I sit at a bench and start surfing the internet on my phone. Odds are she might come chasing (which is fine) but if she doesn’t then it’s OK.

    A few minutes later she comes and is at the street corner opposite where I’m at. She stands there expecting me to come. I see her out the corner of my eye and just stay on my phone like I don’t see her. She eventually comes to and is kind of in shock. I just stripped her of all her validation.

    We talk for a bit and I tell her how I don’t want to be that guy that pays. It’s not a good look and I’ve never had to. I tell her to find a guy that will pay for her there always plenty. But seriously, I don’t mind paying but when you expect it like that…fuck that. I was seriously turned off.

    So we keep talking, I stick to my guns and empathize with where she’s coming from. She’s used to guys paying and needs to rationalize the socially conditioned narrative how guys are the pursuer and shit. That’s fine, I’m not mad.

    I keep escalating the whole time we’re talking though with the kino. She’s still sitting there and about 10min in I invite her back to my rooftop just for 20 minutes.

    She agrees. Get to the rooftop. 2 steps forward one step back. 2 steps forward one step back.

    Banged her on the rooftop and then again in the bedroom. She had this look after of disbelief as she broke her “3 date rule.” Talk/chill/cuddle for 20 minutes (per YaReally’s buyers remorse advice) and walk her home.

    Not really too into her neither, was legit put off at her expectation of making me pay. But here you go fellas, approach consistently and you will get to a point where you truly believe that you don’t have to put up with shit that you don’t want.

    But without that abundance (or belief that you’ll find another) and you’ll stay and pay.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 6:27 am YaReally

      @immoralgables
      “Me: “Hm, yeah cool.” (Turn around, and walk the fuck out without saying bye.)

      Her: (Gasps)

      Walk.the.fuck.out

      WALKED, THE FUCK, OUT”

      Lol’ed. Every guy should try this at least once.

      Props on not giving up, walking out when she wouldn’t play along, and properly handling the aftercare to avoid Buyer’s Remorse (which is a high likelihood when a girl has “rules” that she broke for you…to keep her track record clean so she can keep telling people she has a 3 date rule she never breaks she’s more likely to find ways to make that lay not count and she can start telling herself it was rape etc if she’s crazy and you just kick her out cold and stop txting her and she feels guilty). Txt her when she gets home and the next day and keep it fun and get her to admit she had a good time, and then if you don’t want to bang her again just do a slow trail-off for a few weeks and if you want at the end of that tell her you’re getting back together with your ex. Should help you avoid any negative reprocussions.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 6:56 am Sparks

        Great story Immoralgables. Yareally I have now done the ‘walk the fuck out’ move a few times when things weren’t going my way, e.g. when going in for the kiss and she refuses. As soon as I walk out the girls immediately get up and follow me outside with a ‘don’t go, I was enjoying our chat’. I go for the kiss the second time and they always let me.

        I think this move works because 99% of men would never get up and leave if the interaction was going well up to that point and it immediately sets you apart from most men. It demonstrates you have options or could easily get another girl of similar standard very quickly.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 7:08 am walawala

        @immoral GREAT STORY. GREAT MOVE. Walking out…then she chases and bangs you.

        I have done this at different times with my crazy ex gf and it worked.

        But it took balls of steel. Once you do it…it’s liberating.

        We’ve been conditioned to be “nice guys”…and this white knighting nonsense we’re surrounded by makes us play by those rules instead of the boundaries you set.

        I was going to write a post about white-knighting and how to deal with this by guys you’re surrounded with. But your post inspired me.

        That walk-out sparked her abandonment issues and demonstrates the power each guy has with regard to instantly raising your value by lowering hers.

        Wow. Fucking brilliant post.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 7:49 am Kant

        This is something I used to do all the time back in high school when I was more of a natural. I was (and still am but less so) an extremely moody person and my natural response when something bothers me is that I go extremely cold, emotionally shut down and leave. It kept a lot of girls addicted to me even though I had some shitty beta traits just because I was so unpredictable, hot/cold and gave them an emotional roller coaster

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 9:25 am Hunter

        @immoral lol fucking great. Need to go on more dates.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 6:42 am idle spectator

      There was no “three date rule” on her part. She was simply desperate to get laid, that’s all.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 8:20 am Amy

        Oh, the three date rule is real. He just gamed her into breaking it.

        Great post, IG. I know just how that girl was feeling. Lol

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 7:12 pm mcg

        “Oh, the three date rule is real.”

        And you believe that ass clown?

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 7:00 am newlyaloof

      Haha! Walk the fuck on! Well done! I busted out laughing when I read that.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 10:21 pm Culum Struan

        That is a fantastic story. Seriously. I am stealing that walk out move. Not just re her paying but generally – I had a few failed kiss closes lately on online dates and instead of just waiting and trying and failing again (which is what I did), I could have just got up and walked.

        Oh and I’m gonna start getting the girls to alternate buying drinks or something – I may even put in something in my profile about how I’m not their drinks ticket or something (I don’t really care about paying and have had good results even when I’m paid but lately I’m finding the guy-pays expectation is so strong that I don’t even get a thank you, which is ridiculous y’know? Even if I meet my best bud from high school and he buys me dinner – not that we really keep track – I always say “thank you” and vice versa..)

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      • on July 12, 2014 at 12:16 am immoralgables

        @Culum

        Believe you me that I’ve stayed (and paid, ugh) and put up with shit. I was truly not putting up with that at THAT moment in time. I’m not a pimp by any means just a guy gradually progressing via the wisdom on this blog and comment boards.

        My one piece of advice (which I also give in your thread below) is to truly develop abundance. Approach consistently, stack those dates and try to mack those plates.

        u dig?

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      • on July 12, 2014 at 2:12 am Scray

        waaaat
        https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTyVPr-sGvgb1_nuBbsbew5cf1zC2Jees8g4SvtvIbkaZ_2EvpUwtIqCas

        Awesome stuff man.

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      • on July 12, 2014 at 2:13 am Scray

        ahem: http://media.giphy.com/media/5ZosQz0wbTcCA/giphy.gif

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  24. on July 10, 2014 at 7:32 pm The Stark Truth

    Also I don’t think sexual frustration is the spark but it adds fuel to the fire. The main reason we see people end like this, is our society has become totally automized. You get people especially secular whites who totally lack any sense of belonging or community. In a collectivist society your worth is based on your religion or ethnicity but in a hyper individualistic one if you don’t achieve success as an individual than you are deemed worthless. That’s why the majority of spree shooters have been from secular white backgrounds but Elliot being biracial only exasterbated that lack of sense of belonging and identity.

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  25. on July 10, 2014 at 8:10 pm Anonymous age 72

    I worked in the 90’s before I retired with a sick man. He was married because he met his wife in a therapy class. He had absolutely no social skills at all. About that time, I first heard of Asperger’s and concluded he was that way.

    I felt sorry for him and tried to make friends. He would whine and ask, “Why doesn’t anyone like me?”

    I would go into great detail to explain it as kindly as I could. Then, he’d shout angrily, “It shouldn’t be that way!”And, he’d rant at length how wrong it was for society to be that way.

    A few more weeks, and he’d whine, “Why doesn’t anyone like me?”

    One of the engineers described him as WRITE ONLY MEMORY.

    When Alan Keyes came to town, people came and told me so I could attend his speech. The next day, they came to talk to me about it. He got on his ear and started shouting, “Why didn’t anyone tell me Alan Keyes was coming to town?”

    I told him, “They knew my political views and the fact I am politically active and knew I’d be interested.”

    He threw a tantrum, and said, “It doesn’t matter. They should have told me about it, too.”

    I finally shut him down, told him I had to go home and was not going to talk about it any more. The next day an engineer told me he had come into the office and shouted that I was the sort of person who wouldl take a gun to work and shoot up the place.

    I told my boss, “Do not ask me to work with him again. In today’s security environment, I cannot expose myself to accusations like that.”

    My boss agreed. Steve later died of cancer. I did not visit him when he was sick nor did I go to his funeral nor send his wife a card. I don’t know if anyone from work did any such thing. People like that simply cannot be helped.

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  26. on July 10, 2014 at 8:24 pm Culum Struan

    FR for YaReally and others – very frustrating evening.

    Really good and bad online first date evening. Weird.

    On the good side – it’s just a really nice summer evening and I spent 3 hours practicing my interaction skills with a 25 year old redheaded HB7 and had a nice walk afterwards – feeling good about practicing and getting better at this stuff.

    On the bad side – no kiss close, no sexual tension nothing. Bizarre because normally when I have a date and it goes badly I can usually tell what went wrong (like with my previous FR with engaged-girl I know I fucked up the comfort/rapport – here I really am puzzled as to what I could have done better).

    I mean – I can see where in the story below the bad things happened – I just don’t understand WHY. Or what I could have done better.

    Online first date. She tried to shake my hand when meeting instead of a hug which is a bad sign (I took her hand and hugged her) I rarely do venue change nowadays but after reading the recent discussion on here, I decided to experiment and I started off in a loud pub environment for the first hour to try and follow the Krauser date model.

    Hour 1: Sitting across a table – no kino, no sexual escalation – light DHV, lots of comfort, lots of banter and discussion. Conversation going really well and she’s laughing a LOT at what I’m saying (including teasing her about her autocorrect changing her text to me saying she had HIV etc..). Basically we’re getting along very well and having fun but no escalation as the Date Model suggests (normally I’d have pushed harder on escalation). I didn’t really tell my usual DHV stories as there was no need – convo was flowing and EC was good and her pupils dilated. There were some sexual stories but no escalation

    As we left for the 2nd venue she walked ahead of me and I commented about checking out her ass and she looked offended and said “That’s not the kind of thing you should say” – I held my frame and ignored her, but it was a BAD sign. It’s literally never happened to me before. She walked with her arms crossed (it was a bit chilly/windy) so I couldn’t even try to take her hand – plus it was a bit of a low point anyway although she warmed up again soon.

    Hour 2 and 3: Moved to my usual dark bar and sitting on couch. In effect, I started my usual pattern at this point – my usual DHV stories and trying to hold her hands, putitng arms around here, strong EC, she was playing with her hair etc. She was okay with my arm around her, but she just would not come in for a hug at all – strong resistance. She would not take my hand – even to “read her palm” for more than a couple of seconds, and in Hour 3 when I left my hand on her thighs, she pushed it away subtly. Basically all bad signs.

    Even more puzzling was that my usual DHV stories (they revolve around a couple of really funny but cruel April Fools pranks I played on a friend) did NOT work at all. That’s UNHEARD of. Even when I’ve had crappy dates or bad interactions in bars before, I’ve NEVER had that – the girls ALWAYS love the stories. They are funny, engaging and surprising and I have a LOT of experience telling them. This girl just didn’t – she kept going on about how I was being cruel to my friend etc (lots of girls say this, but this one appeared to mean it and not enjoy the story at all).

    Anyway, she basically didn’t give me a chance to build any sexual tension at all even though the conversation stayed okay.

    Unsurprisingly the evening ended with a hug and “pleased to meet you”.

    But I don’t understand WHAT I did wrong – where things went wrong. Because unlike my “standard” bad date we got along really well (especially in the loud pub) and I didn’t make any obvious mistakes.

    The only thing I can imagine – although I still don’t understand the details – is that it was some kind of congruency issue with my assholish profile which first attracted her – and her profile is about how she’s looking for a handsome older man to show her some thrills and stuff. Hmm.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 6:45 am idle spectator

      She was not into you. Period. Simple. Happens to everyone. Well, not me!

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 6:47 am Jason773

      A couple things I noticed…

      -For a first date you should always know the layout of the place you are going. Sitting across a table is a strong counter to tingles. Look to vibe a chill venue with bar stools where you can sit angled towards one another and have some kind of kino.

      My fav move that blows women away, assuming things are going remotelely well, is to get up from the chair to take a piss and then go right in for the kiss. No warning, no words, just do it and hold it for a few seconds, then turn around and walk off to the bathroom. This gets the hamster running like crazy and the panties will be soaking by the time you come back. I’ve had multiple women tell me “that was one of the sexiest things I’ve ever experienced”.

      -When you made a joke about looking at her ass and she responded like that, look to leave, not spend another 2 hours playing monkey. A girl knows within 5 minutes if she is attracted to you or is willing to sleep with you. If she is that cold to you after 1hr in a bar setting then it’s a no go. Simply stop being afraid to offend, and if you need to go the polite route just say “I think it’s best to cut this date short, as I am not quite feeling a connection. Best of luck” and simply head out. The reality is that this will catch so many neutral women off guard anyways that you’ll end up getting a text within a few days looking to “give it another chance”.

      And as always, if it’s an online date and the girl shows up 10+lbs heavier than her pics, simply bail. I’ve done it before without an ounce of guilt, saying “you misrepresented yourself in your pictures and I think it’s best to cancel this”.

      Fortune favors the bold sir.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 7:03 am newlyaloof

      Redhead – say no more!

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 7:25 am Culum Struan

        Heh. Fair enough – of course she wasn’t into me. Maybe there WAS nothing more I could have done. But I like to approach this stuff by looking at how I could have improved.

        I’ve been thinking about it some more – I think there’s a frame issue. I wasn’t supplicating exactly, but I didn’t hold my frame strongly enough. Like for eg, talking about some nonsense, I was like “X is true”. She said “X is not true for blah reason”. I should have just totally stuck to my guns instead of trying to be fair to her point and saying something like “Well, technically X is not true but for all practical purposes it is true and my statement is right”.

        Y’know? It’s a small example but that’s the kind of thing I’m thinking about. If she was attracted to my extremely aggressive profile (the kind of thing that routinely has women blocking me and calling me rude), and then she met someone who didn’t fit that in person (not beta or supplicating – just a lot more laidback and chilled in real life than the profile would suggest) then you can see there’d be a problem…

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      • on July 12, 2014 at 12:32 am nomad

        what is it about redheads that makes them such icy bitches? every damn one of them is like that. i never have understood it.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 7:36 am theasdgamer

      Sounds very rules-oriented. She was put off by the cruelty.

      She had a strong frame. With women like that, you need to get them to chase you occasionally. Neg her Ice Queen vibe. Read my post about Sexual Macrodynamics. You had no Chase and no Grapple phases.

      Also, don’t offer hugs to women. If they want one, make it clear that it’s a chore for you. “Yeah, it’s like being on a date with my sister.”

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 9:03 am Amy

        Yep she’s an uptight rules girl. I think the “checking out her ass” comment might have been a little too crude for the moment.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 12:12 pm Culum Struan

        Thanks @theasdgamer, Amy, Jason773 – points taken.

        Will check out the blog.

        1. I like to start with a hug (especially with girls I’m meeting from online) because it gets the kino going and helps set the frame- the alternative is *shaking hands*!

        2. I agree it’s not ideal to sit across the table – normally, I go straight to a dark intimate bar with a couch but I wanted to try venue changing. But I think even in the loud bar I could have picked the stools – they had them in fact. Hmm.

        3. Interesting kiss close – you mean you stand up, then lean down and go for the kiss, and then walk away? Isn’t that a bit awkward? Still..the next time I actually HAVE some sexual tension I’ll try it (side note: early in the date I got the drinks and went to the upstairs room when she went to the bathroom – she came back and thought I’d abandoned her and run – eventually she found me but you could SEE how emotionally pumped she was by thinking for a second I’d walked away..all downhill after that)

        4. This girl was actually as attractive as her pictures – I’ve been lucky, I’ve done a lot of online dating and never had the “you were 25 lbs lighter in the pics” experience. Good point re walking away if she doesn’t meet your standards though. I’m not sure I’d have literally walked after the ass comment (partly because I wanted to practice salvaging it) but it’s a good mindset to have (she wasn’t cold – she was friendly – just no sexual tension).

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      • on July 12, 2014 at 6:27 am theasdgamer

        Culum, when you sit across the table, you lose comfort and rapport.

        You can start kino during a date by going on a walk and offering your arm, then holding hands, taking the waist, etc. She’ll probably put her head on your shoulder if you take her waist. It’s easy to walk as part of a date.

        The sexualization should be playful (i.e., fun and encouraging her participation) and shouldn’t be done without other play and comfort building as part of a date.

        When you meet, shaking hands is less beta than hugging. Hugging is anti-Game. I prefer no touch on first meeting. Just give a warm smile–that will be fine. If she wants to initiate a hug, that gets her chasing you right off. You can be warm and fun and still convey the message that hugs are a chore.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 11:29 am walawala

      @Culum with online dating you need to start with a sexual frame before meeting.

      I always chat with them before hand, then say “wear heels”—if they push back then it’s not on.

      I’d say out of the online dates I’ve met I’ve banged 90% of them on the first or second date.

      Rarely do I waste my time on girls who are just so so into meeting.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 12:53 pm Culum Struan

        @walawala – I have a longer post in mod, but yeah, good point. I do often send a text earlier in the day saying “wear something sexy for me” and the response tends to be quite good – with this girl the frame wasn’t right to send that text (probably because I didn’t build much comfort beforehand) and that’s a bad sign in itself.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 8:30 pm immoralgables

      Hey man, thanks for sharing your story. I’m not going to give a detailed breakdown and I think commenters already provided great insight.

      But one thing I’m going to focus on.

      I read your story and judging by the way you told it, your interaction was focused too too TOO much on her.

      It seemed like you were trying to force the interaction. DHV stories, palm-holding….like you seemed somewhat upset by the fact that your story didn’t impress her. That’s a bit outcome dependent like a guy laughing at the punchline before his audience does.

      And that’s all good bro. Like I totally fuck it up all the time and it’s tough because on one hand, you don’t have it internalize yet so you got to push your agenda across and get from Point A to Point B. On the other hand, even trying to “push your agenda” takes away from being a naturally attractive guy who just magically “goes with the flow.”

      The only prescription is to go out and keep approaching and get more dates and practice. It’s the only way because you already know the deal (venue change, kino, DHV stories, escalating) so it just has to become so commonplace to go on dates that at one point you’ll become more indifferent to the situation and not try to force it so much.

      Because when you force it, it usually doesn’t happen like you want it to, does it?

      So sorry for the lack of actionable advice other than try having 3 Day2s a week and new prospects in your phone and stacking dates and see what happens OK?

      “She tried to shake my hand when meeting instead of a hug which is a bad sign (I took her hand and hugged her)”

      My new pro-move is going for the hug + kiss on the cheek and saying “Damn, you look really hot.” and making some semi-strong eye contact and then plowing and keep talking. That in itself sets the frame really well and cuts through the bullshit fast. Seriously fucking try it, it took a lot of the pressure off my Day2s in terms of trying to come across as that sexual guy. Give yourself a headstart homie and best of luck.

      -IG

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 11:35 pm having a bad day

      @CS

      so let’s deconstruct your overall interaction with HB7 redhead…

      she sees your ‘alpha’ profile and is interested…you go on the date and then you proceed to fail every shit test she starts to throw at you…let’s count them up…lol…

      hand shake…you try to counter with a hug…still a fail…NO sexual tension…hug = beta…(or gay BFF…lol)…next time try agree & amplify (and point out her ‘social awkwardness’ which puts her into a defensive crouch…lol) look at her outstretched hand and say ‘oh, you’re one of those girls…’ then grab her hand and ‘shake her hand’ in a very slow and exaggerated way (like she’s a social retard…lol)…(an eye roll is good too but make sure it’s ‘fun’)…having fun on your terms = alpha…

      sitting facing her…puts you into chaser mode by default = lowers your SMV…it’s been covered already but that’s the reason behind the bar stool seating arrangement…

      laughing/banter/fun/no sexual tension or escalation = gay BFF/beta orbiter/friend zone role…and the longer that lasts the more it’s gonna stick…

      no DHV stories…there is always a need for DHV…at least until you get the bang…you need all the SMV upside differential you can get to build attraction (especially in that age range…) also note that pupil dilation isn’t a sexual ‘tell’ it just indicates positive emotions so it needs context (poker players get the dilation when they get a good hand…) so in this context it was too much comfort without enough attraction first…

      ass comment…her response was a shit test. but at this point it was probably already too late to salvage (an hour into the beta orbiter friend zone…)…’ignore’ isn’t holding your frame…you should have said something like ‘you’re right. it’s not that great…slow down so you can look at mine…’…lol…also, at this point could you feel her ‘leading’ you emotionally as well as physically?…

      supplicating on your statements…when you made a statement ‘x is true’ and she countered with ‘x is not true’ = shit test…waffling = supplicating…the question is ‘why were you trying to be fair to her points?’…was it bc she was hot?…lol…

      hour 2/3…should have started off sexual from the beginning, but now you know how it works this way…lol…all that resistance was basic friend zone orbiter algorithm in play…

      on her thinking that you had dumped her and run…when she found you and was pumped, how did she act and how did you respond? this interaction likely was the turning point in the date…if you were all ‘no…i would NEVER leave…you’re soooo hot!’…lol… that would have put her on the pedestal (and you into the friend zone…)…if you reacted like ‘I knew you would find me bc i’m sooo cool, how could you NOT look for me…’ then something else happened…lol…

      the incongruence between your profile and the in-person was probably the cause of problem…good self-analysis…

      given the overall dynamic, my bet would be that when you entered the friend zone back in hour 1, that the ‘shaming’ just ‘kicked on’ (see Rational Male for more on this shaming dynamic in the feminine imperative…) all of it – the butt response, the not laughing at the prank stories, etc – ALL of it is shaming tactics. it just seems to kick on when a ‘beta’ tries to get out of the box…YaReally has a vid on this somewhere back in the archives…is there a point on the date when this kicked in?

      note – i’m not bustin’ on ya AT ALL…20/20 hindsight and all…lol…just trying to give you some ammo for next time…lol…great job on the FR…

      good luck!

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      • on July 15, 2014 at 11:01 am Culum Struan

        @immoralgables and @habd – thank you for the insightful comments – I think you’ve nailed it pretty much. Very interesting to see the whole date from that perspective – I actually handled the early response (when she came up and found me) quite well – some joke about how I’d decided she wasn’t worth it and considered leaving – her reaction was great.

        It only went downhill after that – the ass comment was the key point (until then I’d been thinking “this is going well but I’m a bit worried that I haven’t been able to kino or escalate in this position”)

        Oh well – onwards and upwards. I’m going to reread all these responses before my next date..

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  27. on July 10, 2014 at 8:36 pm Modern Primitive

    Elliot should have tried nekkid game.

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    • on July 10, 2014 at 9:03 pm The Stark Truth

      Didn’t he have a small dick?

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 9:11 pm Modern Primitive

        Dick size irrelevant when compared to alpha attitude of trying to game girls naked.

        Advanced peakcocking ftw.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 9:15 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

        He’s got big balls, that’s for sure.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 9:28 pm The Stark Truth

        No, I ment would it of worked for Elliot due to his dick size.

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      • on July 10, 2014 at 9:57 pm Modern Primitive

        Dick size is irrelevant when you’re that alpha

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 7:15 pm mcg

      “Dick size is irrelevant when you’re that alpha”

      Alpha? More like freak show. Don’t peddle this shit again here.

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  28. on July 10, 2014 at 8:38 pm NothingMan00

    “In his world of equalist ignorance, women are just like men, except with different genitalia, so logically why shouldn’t women approach him to give him compliments? ”

    So did he never once actually look at how things operate in the real world? I mean, I wouldn’t expect him to have reasoned his way to full red pill knowledge or anything like that, but he got the most blindingly obvious stuff wrong.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 2:13 am Nicole

      A narcissist can’t see the real world. There is no logic. They’re like reptiles.

      We should accept our baser urges, and be thankful we have them. They’re our fire…our motivation. Imagine though, if all you had was base urges, and no idea how to regulate them or get the most important of them, the needs, met for a long period of time, or at all?

      It is a form of emotional retardation. When approached in a way that looks threatening, even if there is no threat, the reptile recoils or strikes. Some more one way than the other. They can’t help themselves. It is an automatic, instinctive reaction.

      We are all born selfish creatures, just with the potential of developing some level of empathy, self respect, and realism. If something goes wrong in the upbringing, a person may never develop the skills to see the world as it is. Everything will be framed within their urges and convenience.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 4:55 pm Vic

        Rodgers wasn’t a narcissist. If he was a narcissist, he wouldn’t have given a fuck about whether or not women liked him or not.
        What you described was egocentric behavior. Egocentrism=/= Narcissism.

        Egocentrics regard themselves and their own opinions or interests as being the most important or valid.

        Egocentric people are unable to fully understand or to cope with other people’s opinions and the fact that reality can be different from what they are ready to accept.

        Also, Rodgers was more of an egocentric beta male. In other words he truly believed that there was someone out there for everyone. Some girl out there for every guy. Anyone who swallowed the red pill can tell that’s one of the biggest bullshit lies men of our generations are fed. Even if you do marry, chances are your wife will have an affair. He believed that if he was just nice, he could cover up his awkwardness and girls would just like him. What he failed to see, until the last moments, was that women, especially young women, tend to ignore guys that they find unattractive, awkward, and un-confident.

        “Why do I have to compliment them, why shouldn’t they compliment me?”

        This statement does not show in any way that Rodgers was a narcissist. It only shows that Rodgers was unaware of how women are more vulnerable and less willing to take risks than men. You can blame feminism for making him unaware.

        Therefore, women usually don’t compliment men because they aren’t willing to risk possible rejection.

        Seriously, if this article doesn’t show that Elliot wasn’t a narcissist, then I don’t what does. How can a narcissistic person be shy, timid, and uncomfortable around other people? What would warrant him to be uncomfortable around people? He already thinks he’s better than any of those people. It makes no sense. Narcissists are usually loud and boisterous and confident. Elliot was shy and timid to the extreme. His videos were literally staged out, he looked like he had been practicing that persona.

        I can’t believe how stupid people, especially women and rad-fems, believe that Elliot is a narcissist when ALL evidence points that he is not.

        If Elliot was a narcissist, he would have gotten laid a long time ago. Women love men who display Dark Triad characteristics.

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      • on July 13, 2014 at 4:23 pm NothingMan00

        Whut?

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  29. on July 10, 2014 at 10:31 pm The Stark Truth

    Robert Stark Interviews Robert Lindsay on Elliot Rodger:http://www.starktruthradio.com/?p=456

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  30. on July 10, 2014 at 11:21 pm FoolishReporter

    Rodger reminded me of my step-brother for a good chunk of his younger years. But, the difference is my step-brother was befriended by an older dude who taught him how to get over himself and meet women. I’m thankful for that.

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  31. on July 10, 2014 at 11:58 pm thrust

    ..in league of ch’s finest

    http://laidnyc.wordpress.com/2013/09/06/i-hit-it-first-why-your-girls-sexual-past-matters/

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  32. on July 11, 2014 at 12:15 am Will

    Once you game a girl and fuck her….try keeping her around for the long-haul guaranteed pussy. That’s the finish line for the game

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 12:09 pm Zombie Shane

      > “That’s the finish line for the game”

      No, the finish line comes nine months later, with a healthy normal LIVE BIRTH. And 18 to 21 years after that, when the child has been successfully raised with a traditional moral upbring including ZERO influence from the Frankfurt School [or from any other group of nihilists who would seek to destroy the child’s soul].

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      • on July 15, 2014 at 12:58 am Michael

        50 years later when you see how your grandchildren turned out. I would set the goal even further ahead but there’s no no way to know.

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  33. on July 11, 2014 at 12:21 am Emma the Emo

    If Elliot Rodger saw some men get laid/girlfriends seemingly effortlessly, and saw these men get approached by women, he might have thought this is how things should be for men, too. So perhaps he then wondered why girls weren’t doing that to him, too, when he’s so much better.

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  34. on July 11, 2014 at 2:56 am gunslingergregi

    well my chick said the depo shot would wear off in two years
    he he he
    this is the first time a chick has not said she was pregnant
    she was in lots of pain took her emergency room
    she said she might be having a miscarriage though
    I may have killed little gregi greg
    fucking my chick earlier today
    she came up positive for being pregnant
    so I guess i’m not shooting blanks he he he
    hands the chateau a cigar and glass of grand marnier
    they told me I can’t fuck her till she gets retested in a week
    to make sure viable
    I asked the nurse what if she tries to rape me do I dial 911 or just say no she was laughing

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 2:58 am gunslingergregi

      bout to go Genghis on this world
      he he he

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 4:30 am gunslingergregi

      cool thing about this chick is I know she ain’t having my kid to get me to pay child support she having my kid and getting the big belly for 9 months because she wants to produce a copy of me in the world and show me how much she loves me and wants to take care of my midget
      the dude in the bible could of spent a little more time and found one good woman I think
      I have found more than one

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 4:31 am gunslingergregi

        dude from bible must not of had game he he he

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  35. on July 11, 2014 at 7:08 am newlyaloof

    Elliott “read about” pua.
    The family friend “emailed” suggested help.

    See, nobody truly interacts IN THE FIELD with each other socially anymore. These attempts at understanding game by Elliott, and helping him by his family friend, were both superficial social interactions from afar.

    If only Elliott actually went out and tried the technique.
    If only the family friend would have actually demonstrated the concept and winged for him.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 7:19 am gunslingergregi

      I tried to help this dude other than putting my dick in his bitches mouth to show him how it is done which I could of prob got away with
      he was on his own orbital station
      but yea i’ll put in some more effort

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 7:32 am newlyaloof

        Your comments make me laugh, man, but, seriously, can you put in a tiny bit more effort into punctuation, spelling, and grammar. I ain’t being a dick, but your sentences are beta-English.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 7:59 am gunslingergregi

        I used the perfect writing punctuation section of my brain for more important things
        overwrote with game he he he
        if I tried I could be perfect at it but not gonna today lolzlozlolzolzolzzz

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 11:51 am thwack

        Greg was in eyerack

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 4:34 pm gunslingergregi

        yea quit reminding me

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  36. on July 11, 2014 at 7:12 am thwack

    A man should have taken Elliot hunting and fishing a few times and taught him how to focus on getting what he goes after…

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 7:38 am theasdgamer

      Nah, Elliott would have insisted that the fish jump in the boat and the deer die of heart attacks right in front of him.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 7:39 am theasdgamer

      If one man had ever given Elliott a kick in the pants, he might have gotten over his entitlement.

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  37. on July 11, 2014 at 8:23 am Zodak

    he knew about game. but he hated that it worked. that’s why he was a member of PUAhate. he hated that his innocent princesses responded to game. he hated that they were not, in fact, equal to us. that he still had to do what men do. he should have just killed himself & written a long tumblr rant.

    i can only imagine how many more he would have killed if he had seen his little angels respond favorably to that meeks criminal.

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  38. on July 11, 2014 at 8:31 am wolfie65

    It’s bad enough when females (mothers, aunts, sisters, friends, etc.) try to give dating ‘advice’ to a boy (talk about misleading lies!), when men (fathers, uncles, brothers, etc.) try to do it, something must be very badly wrong.
    What’s very sad is that most men are either completely clueless or brainwashed and PC-programmed that whatever advice they may have for little Elliot is highly likely to be useless or even backfire.
    There’s also the scenario in which the culture the dad grew up in was just so fundamentally different from the one the son grows up in that dad’s advice simply doesn’t apply.

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  39. on July 11, 2014 at 9:54 am Kant

    @yareally, immoral, etc

    Field report:

    I haven’t been very proactive meeting girls lately because I had a five girl harem and was getting way more sex than I need. However I lost a couple of the girls recently because I won’t commit, so I’m looking around again.

    I saw a cute girl on tinder with a long write up on her profile about how shes witty, smart, feminist, poly, you can’t handle me attitude etc.. I thought, oh man, probably annoying hipster but I was intrigued so I messaged her. Asked her to come for a drink, she said she has to stay in tonight, so I said invite me over I’m cooler than most guys you’ll meet and she said sure.

    I arrived at her place and we smoked a cigarette outside first. Beautiful petite body, cute face. Most interesting thing was that her personality wasn’t as I expected at all. She was extremely feminine / submissive toward me, no try-hard hipster wit battles or shit tests. I’ve become really fucking alpha lately and maybe I still haven’t gotten used to people treating me differently, not sure if that was it.

    I absolutely liked her personality. She was incredibly witty and intelligent but without the arrogance. She had just graduated college (philosophy, same as me) and everything just clicked. My game was absolutely effortless last night, no thinking, I just said and did whatever came to mind. This is how it’s supposed to be, gentlemen. We drank whiskey cokes, bantered, talked about books and music. About half an hour in I could tell she really liked me and I could have easily escalated, but I wanted to milk the magic feeling so I didn’t.

    We were sitting on her bed chatting and I had my arm lightly around her. She gave me the only shit test of the night — “you’re just here for a hookup arent you”. I looked at her sternly and shook my head, sub-communicating that she’s ruining the mood. That was enough.

    Her gay guy room mate came home and sat with us for a while. He seemed nice but gay guys love to cock block so I got us out of that situation asap suggesting we go buy more mixers. We came back, she went to take a quick shower. I kept hearing little moans coming out of the bathroom while she was showering, which made me curious so I just walked in to ask her if she wanted another drink.

    She kept giggling, I was invading her space and obviously thought it was attractive that I’m so confident. She said she had no hot water so was taking a completely cold shower. I reached in to feel the water, she tries to cover up a little but keeps giggling and I’m totally non-chalant about it. Got a look of her naked and she looked really nice. I later would find out that she’s a pretty extreme masochist, so I’m guessing the moans were from pleasure from the discomfort of the cold water, not from her touching herself.

    We sat on her bed after her shower drinking again, she wore cute lingerie with a button up shirt. We talked about how we each became poly, about how she’s pansexual, and thats when I found out shes a masochist. I love rough sex and told her so. She said she had her first one night stand a week before and had made a promise to herself not to have sex with anyone the first night. I looked at her intently and said I’ve hooked up with a lot of people, one less one more doesnt really make a difference. I think it made her feel safe.

    We were very close to each other and the sexual tension was extreme. She said I smell amazing, and she did too. I’m pretty sure out bodies were screaming at us to mate already. I finally kissed her, four hours into the date.

    I said I probably don’t want to have sex tonight, but I do want to kiss her and maybe more. I meant it at the time. We drank a bit more and talked. We had a running thing where she said she wanted to listen to my music (I’m a musician) and I kept saying I needed more comfort, don’t give a girl that so easily etc. I finally let her put it on.

    We started making out again, I felt a lot of desire and just ravished her. The sex was amazing, no LMR. I’ve met a lot of girls who like rough sex but this one is in a class of her own. Found out later she can actually orgasm just by thinking about sex / pain. Afterward she told me the sex was incredible and she’s surprised she orgasmed so much when it wasnt as rough as she ideally wants. I told her I wouldn’t hold back next time. I told her I didn’t want this to be a one night stand, and she said she’d be disappointed if it was. I said I’m sorry I broke her rule and she said rules are meant to be broken by the right guy 🙂

    We fell asleep cuddling, and I woke up at 6am and she was still in my arms. I started digging my nails into her, slowly causing her more pain and she woke up and started getting worked up. I fingered her pussy and ass and fucked her again, this time didn’t hold back at all (she had bruises and marks in the morning). Needless to say the sex was great.

    She was a bit cold in the morning when I headed off to work, but I know girls often feel guilty after having sex with someone quickly so I didn’t take it personally. A few hours later I sent her a text saying I had a blast and next time I’m showing her around my area. She sent back sounds good, with a heart, so I’m confident I’ll be seeing her again. I genuinely liked her a lot and want to bring her into my life.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 11:39 am newlyaloof

      Call me regular, but what the F#uck is poly?

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 12:00 pm Amy

      Wow, nice. You’re lethal. Lol

      Bet she’ll be back, it’s not easy to find that level of sexual compatibility (on her end).

      Poly = polyamorous

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 7:19 pm mcg

        Amy, this story is straight out of Penthouse Forum. You’re (allegedly) smarter than being taken in by this schlock.

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      • on July 11, 2014 at 8:23 pm immoralgables

        Nah that homie Kant is the truth man. Read some of his older posts and stop trying to flirt with Amy.

        Go out and flirt with real-live girls lol

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      • on July 12, 2014 at 9:38 am Amy

        Sorry, but it’s all believable, this girl sounds like me minus the tinder and poly/pansexuality, and all of this would have probably worked on me IF I’d made the fatal mistake of letting him come over and hang out right away. Which is why I don’t do that! Lol

        The whole hours long buildup, not pushing for sex, shy-musician thing wrapped up in a dominant, assertive guy… that’s lethal stuff.

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 8:22 pm immoralgables

      Hey Kant thanks for sharing. I learned a few good pointers from your story and it was interesting to read your perspective and understand your style of game.

      Nice work and keep it pimpin’ brotha. Will prob run into you at one point this summer lol

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 9:08 pm walawala

      @Kant This demonstrates that if you can maintain some discipline while escalating the girl will follow. She already let you know how she likes to be fucked.

      I also met a 23 year old exchange student on OKC. She was cute but a bit chubby which she covered up well with sexy clothes and heels.

      Same idea. We went for a drink. She doesn’t really drink. I knew it was on when we met and I grabbed her hand and she moved towards me.

      The second night we met up last minute and she came over and blew me.

      It’s interesting that I invest way too much time trying to game and bang girls who simply aren’t worth the time.

      I’m now slowly building up a social circle of girls I game and who give oddly sexual IOI’s.

      The other night I asked a cute girl I gamed to dance. “How are you tonite?” I asked. “Not good…” She said… Me: “Not good? What’s up?”

      Her: “I’m dancing with you….” I had stopped gaming her and now she was gaming me.

      Me; “Yah…my night just went down hill…oh well, let’s make the best of it…”

      Next week, I’m meeting up with another girl who has a bf but who is away studying in the city i’m visiting for my business trip.

      Funny how when I’ve stopped caring—and in some cases stopped gaming these girls come out of the woodwork…

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      • on July 12, 2014 at 6:38 am theasdgamer

        @Walawala

        Funny how when I’ve stopped caring—and in some cases stopped gaming these girls come out of the woodwork…

        You have a stone-cold frame. Props.

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    • on July 12, 2014 at 1:02 pm kant

      @immoral, walawala, amy etc

      Thanks for the comments. One thing I’ve taken away from this is that if you just let things flow naturally and trust your instincts things will go a lot smoother. The RSD guys and yareally talk a lot about congruency and I think that’s a major point — if you try to game in a way that isn’t congruent to you the girl will smell it a mile away and run for the hills. But if you’re completely genuine with what you’re about everything will align much more easily.

      Ironically this is precisely why I don’t game in the style of RSD (I’m much closer to Don Draper than to Stifler)

      There’s something to be said about focusing on inner game and self improvement, and internalizing the right mindsets rather than just rote memorizing an endless list of tactics.

      Than again sometimes you have to fake it till you make it. Contradictions…

      Oh and if anyone ever wants to meet up in NYC I’d be happy to show you guys around

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      • on July 12, 2014 at 1:11 pm immoralgables

        @Kant.

        I remember a month ago I saw how you preached RSd blueprint and that motivated me to give it another try. Def worthwhile and everything u just said makes more sense than it would a couple months ago.

        I’m actually about to move down to the LES by some of that nightlife starting in August so would be much more down to hit up the city with you around then.

        Let me know and we will coordinate. My dummy addy is mbarksdale85@gmail.com so set one up, let me know and I’ll reach out.

        Talk soon bro and mandatory:

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  40. on July 11, 2014 at 2:44 pm chainsmoker

    Elliot Rodger freaks me out. I’ve been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder and have been “weird” for most of my life. I’ve also had fantasies of harming others, nothing that I would ever act on however.

    If the manosphere didn’t exist, and if this blog didn’t exist, I would be in a bad state.

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  41. on July 11, 2014 at 7:45 pm meadow

    H is so brilliant. I love reading his psychoanalysis. Sooooo good. I miss you, H! ❤

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    • on July 11, 2014 at 8:25 pm Anonymous

      omg. How do I delete that comment. I wanna die! :-O

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    • on July 12, 2014 at 12:07 am Anonymous

      H. You never talk to me anymore. :’-(
      I feel a little bit sad. I think about you from time to time. I’ve tried to message you, but you won’t reply. I don’t know how else to get in touch. 😦

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  42. on July 12, 2014 at 11:15 pm dong

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-542331/Rape-ruined-dream-Africa-says-RSC-actress-gave-study-lions-Botswana.html

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    • on July 13, 2014 at 5:41 am thwack

      Why didn’t she hire them as body guards?

      Erybody knows that when you in the hood you gotta roll with force cause if you stalk you walk…

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  43. on July 13, 2014 at 1:42 pm no

    Sounds about right.

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  44. on July 22, 2014 at 6:00 am The Apology That Will Never Be Delivered

    […] that just a hug is enough to have them smiling for weeks; blogger Heartiste provides us with this brief insight into the power a woman’s innocent touch had on Elliot […]

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  45. on July 23, 2014 at 10:48 pm heatherclemenceau

    None of that would have helped Elliot. He was a preemie who fulfilled all the criteria for an Aspie and had a number of personality disorders to boot. Read his entry on Encyclopedia Dramatica. This kid was broken from the start. https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Elliot_Rodger

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