How should a man respond when his woman has begun sexually withdrawing from him? This post will examine the issue and offer a method called the “De-escalation Ladder” that reforms women’s bad behavior and robs them of the ability to use sex as a weapon.
For those unfamiliar with pickup literature, the De-escalation Ladder is based off Vin DiCarlo’s “Escalation Ladder” concept of speedily and deliberately moving a courtship to sex. The Escalation Ladder
…is a step-by step formula, followed by a number of laws which govern it’s use for maximum effect. It is designed to provide a smooth escalation, containing no significant jumps that may cause a woman to object. At the same time, the [EL] contains no extraneous steps which are non-essential to the seduction process. This results in a FAST escalation sequence which is compatible with a variety of verbal structures, and has been field tested and perfected by myself, Vincent DiCarlo, in hundreds of trials.
There is an inherent value and attractiveness to a man who can escalate in such an intelligent and socially aware manner, which is why your verbal content does not matter very much when using this method.
The idea is that if you aren’t physically (if not verbally) escalating a girl through all the stages of seduction and through her natural reticence to engage sexually, you risk stagnation and losing her interest or, worse, getting slotted into the dreaded friendzone. A.B.E. Always. Be. Escalating. Why? Because women reward men who take the initiative, particularly early on when their antennae are exquisitely tuned for any arousing signals of alpha male sexual entitlement.
DiCarlo’s historical tome is still relevant, and worth reading in full. The basics of his Escalation Ladder are, in order of application:
1. Strong eye contact.
2. Incidental asexual touch (aka kino).
3. Overt asexual touch.
4. Incidental intimate touch.
5. Overt intimate touch.
6. Incidental erogenous touch.
7. Overt erogenous touch (pre-kiss kino).
Total time for the above: 30 minutes – 4 hours. After you have isolated her in a sex location, proceed to
8. Kissing.
9. Kissing her neck.
10. Touching her bare back below her shirt.
11. Stomach to stomach contact.
12. Touching her bare body (breast inclusion not necessary).
13. Incidental vaginal stimulation.
14. Direct vaginal stimulation from back.
15. Direct vaginal stimulation from front.
16. Remove her clothes for sex.
Steps 8 – 16 can take as short as 15 minutes. Any resistance during any step is handled by backing off a little and continuing with the previous step until the next one is “unlocked”.
That’s the Escalation Ladder. What about the Dark Heartiste’s inverse, the De-escalation Ladder? Just as you “escalate” a girl toward sex, you “de-escalate” from a girl who is withdrawing sexually. ELs are about rewarding girls to encourage good (read: sexual) behavior, DELs are about removing rewards (read: validation) from girls to discourage bad behavior.
Note the distinction between “removing rewards” and “punishment”. Punishment — the kind that’s intentional, obvious, and reactive — can often backfire on a man. If the girl perceives her punishment as immediate retribution for something she did to (or is not doing for) the man, she will accept that as validation of her higher relative SMV. Punishment, therefore, should be wielded with expert care, which means it’s ideally cloaked in a veneer of plausible deniability. The best punishment in matters of fraying romance is not the whip, but the poison.
The CH maxim — Punish promptly, reward intermittently — is not violated by this nuance. A reckless inadvertent punishment can be executed as promptly as a retributive deliberate punishment.
Not all retributive punishment is ineffective, however. At the highest levels of female id manipulation, a mix of purposeful and inadvertent punishment with oddly-timed rewards delivers an intoxicating ambiguous message that can so sufficiently stir fears of abandonment and incoherent jealousy that a woman will find herself defenseless to recapture lost relationship hand. She’ll be incensed to offering generous servings of her sex with no contractual obligations just to keep herself in your game. Any man who’s been fortunate to receive such desperate magnanimity from a woman will tell you it’s heaven on earth. The closest we have, in fact, to unconditional love in this corporeal realm.
The De-escalation Ladder follows a similar, albeit invidious mirror image, progression as the Escalation Ladder. As reader Arred explained,
…progressive punishments and withdrawal techniques tailored to waning interest and misbehavior at various levels of severity. Kind of like the color coded terror threat level chart, for the gradations of dread required to regain hand.
Assuming your wife or girlfriend or fling or lust target has begun the (emotional or sexual) Withdrawal Protocol, the De-escalation Ladder sequence of responses that follow would be:
1. Break rapport.
Cut her off mid-sentence to talk to someone else, or to switch to your own subject of interest. Negs are also a type of rapport break.
2. Indicate disinterest (IOD).
For example, “It’s a good thing I’m not trying to pick you up.” Make feints toward hooking her up with “one of your niceguy buddies”.
3. Backturn.
Literally turn your back on the girl. Don’t act peeved. Do it with a wan smile or a neutral expression. If she’s says, “That’s rude”, you’ve won the battle. Pretend like you don’t know what you did wrong.
4. Break physical contact.
Stop touching her. When she goes to touch you, gently move away from her. Perhaps with a sly grin, warn her against “moving too fast” for your comfort. Breaking physical contact can include putting your clothes back on (an especially potent form of hamster torture if done prior to her redressing herself).
If she goes for a goodbye reconciliation kiss, pull back and say “whoa, that’s a little needy” or “hey, I only do that with girlfriends/lovers”.
5. Break emotional contact.
Emotional connection is more important to women than physical connection. Any bedroom cop-out that plowing won’t fix should be answered with a feigned distraction. Your eyes will drift to magazines, the internet (to “read some new emails”), video games, or even text messages from “some quirky friends”. (A girl will always presume a quirky friend is a female “friend”.) You will not act spitefully; it will appear as if your attention merely got captured by something more entertaining.
Mystery calls this the “freeze-out”, and it’s effective, but only if you pull it off with a credible thoughtlessness. At no point should your voice betray a hurt pride or impatience.
Note: Do NOT freeze-out until you have exhausted your mental reserve for pushing her toward sex. Girls love to “be taken”, and you don’t want to misinterpret that peculiarly female desire for sexual frigidity.
Over the longer term, emotional disengagement would include things like terse conversations, diminishing nonsexual time together, provisioning withdrawal, and a careless attitude toward her promised fidelity or threats of infidelity.
6. Depart under mysterious circumstances.
If you’re at her place and a freeze-out isn’t logistically possible, leave. No need to give a reason, just say you “have to go, it’s important”.
It’s incredibly powerful to depart in this manner before you’ve been pushed to it. If you sense even a little bit of withdrawal from a girl, but still far from complete withdrawal when her interest has subsided faster than her curiosity remains engaged, you can say “We’ll catch up another time” and leave her to ponder what the hell just happened.
This is also known as a “takeaway”, or leaving on a high note.
7. Ignore her efforts to get back in contact with you.
Keep her on tenterhooks. Wait a day or two before texting or calling her back. When you do reply and she wonders why you didn’t answer right away, deflate her indignation with a caustic reframe. “I didn’t know we were married!”
8. Initiate the “cheating in my heart” gambit.
Now we’re moving toward strategies to deal with relationship trouble. This is when the infamous “dread game” comes into play. Many powerful tactics are described in that seminal post, so I’ll just wrap them under a single umbrella here called “she wants what she can’t have (or is starting to lose)”. Making late night phone calls with girls’ voices in the background, flirting with other women (either over the phone or in front of her), turning off your phone during seduction hours (after 5pm), making offhand remarks about your sexually voracious exes, polluting your social media space with pics of you in the company of other women, commenting how much you appreciate being “single and free”, scattering “other woman” props around your bachelor pad, and generally acting as if you’re sexually satisfied and not needing her particular brand of physical release are all TNT to a sexually withdrawing woman’s self-conception.
9. Keep two in the kitty.
It’s a Poon Commandment for a reason. The ultimate de-escalation hand over a game-playing woman is another woman. Drained balls won’t betray you. De facto harems are self-perpetuating. The bigger your harem, the more women want in. Sad but true.
10. Actually cheat.
When steps 1-9 fail, you have to deploy the BFG. (childhood Doom ref) Cheat. Get caught. Don’t apologize, but say you’d still like it to work out between the two of you (meaning your withdrawing gf, not your mistress).
11. Break up with her.
Believe it or not, there is something even more emotionally explosive to a woman than catching her man cheating. Preemptively breaking up with her is the Excalibur of shivs. You will hew her ego in half. If you’re married, unceremoniously announce you want time to yourself, and check out. For added impact, slip out the back Jack and lodge your plea for freedom via absentee breakfast table letter.
As women, slave to their hypergamous instinct, are the initiators of 70+% of divorces, so too are they the initiators of the majority of unmarried relationship break-ups. Given this reality, the man who initiates a break-up packs an outsized wallop to a woman’s bloated sense of sexual worth. To a woman, getting dumped must be similar to what a world class chef feels when a starving man turns his nose up at his buffet of scrumptious pastries. Unimaginable.
This is why, when you break up with girls, few will happily or serenely accede to your judgment. Not even those who were having doubts will be able to accept your resignation with tact or calm relief. 9 out of 10 times she will forget all about her prior sexual indecisiveness as she surrenders to a sudden and inexplicable urge to win your favor, like a schoolgirl with a crush on the class badboy. Over the next weeks, you’ll get voicemails and texts and emails pleading for a reconciliation, or an explanation. When she is at the breaking point and starved for your attention, slide a bowl of gruel under the door of her solitary confinement. Wonder, “maybe we could work this out” and recline in libertine splendor as the year closes out with her glued in obedience to your member.
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The De-escalation Ladder is excerpted from the darkest pages of the tomes of the crimson arts. Few delve here, fewer still delve and attempt to put the devil’s instruction to practice. And the fewest possible can muster the state control to apply the lessons as intended. And yet, when you see the results for yourself, you’ll learn to your great shame that the De-escalation Ladder can be as strangely enjoyable as the traditional Escalation Ladder is exciting. Proceed with caution.

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GBFM’s historical tome is still relevant, and worth reading in full. The basics of his Escalation Ladder are, in order of application:
1. Strong butt contact.
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That’s the hardest I’ve ever laughed gbfm
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YOU ARE PLAYING WITH FIRE HERE. All women need to be sexed – your sexing of your woman completes her and makes her whole. If you are not sexing your woman, then you might as well assume that YaReally already is [or will be soon].
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lol. the older i get the more my girls sexually have to compete with my other interests and hobby’s.
it would suck to be my girl(s) and so when one peels off for the beta “one who is going to sex her” i say goodbye with a smile.
good for her! i’m going out on the bike…….and snag a younger model. funny how that works huh.
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Give your woman orgasms or else YaReally will give them in your stead.
You have been forewarned.
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There is no such thing as completeness or wholeness. It’s just a ‘whole mess’ of temporary satisfaction that wanes by the second. Shit, it’s faster than a second.
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> “There is no such thing as completeness or wholeness.”
Dude, that’s Beta talk right there.
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Yes, I agree with you and disagree with the entire post by CH. The list is very short:
1. She goes in handcuffs
2. You spank her for disobedience
3. No handcuff key until she climaxes. (Be able to tell is vital- no faking.)
4. Having the proper attitude when you are done. (No smiling, no gloating)
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Oh I forgot to add spank her until she is wet
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True story. I was never an alpha, but an accidental alpha a few times.
1994 in college. Living in an apartment near my college, spending my days studying. Had a gf over the summer, she went to Smith College. She had started to cool off toward me at the end of the summer. She said that the girls had tea parties and talked politics. I asked if guys go to them she said yes. I said I want to go to a tea party then, and she said no, as if she was embarassed by me and my right wing politics.
So I cut her off. Not out of strength, but out of hurt. I did have a spare girl in the kitty visiting me too, which helped. But I had honestly written her off out of butthurt.
She tracks me down one day, and says she’s coming down to my city where my apartment is. She’s all mad that I cut her off, and I said it was because i was hurt that she didn’t invite me to a tea party, was I invited now? We get back to apartment and she immediately does a bj. Whoa, where did that come from? She said she wanted to “teach me a lesson,” what I was missing by ignoring her. Ha! She really taught me a lesson, I guess!
I did Game a few times in my life — totally inadvertently, and I felt horribly guilty about it. But it sure as heck “worked.”
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You received your last blow job in 1994 – but you have a clear conscience. That’s the take-away.
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> “I felt horribly guilty about it. But it sure as heck “worked.””
Jesus H Christ, isn’t that every single one of us in the Manosphere and the Dark Enlightenment? We just wanted to be nice guys, but the nihilism of modernity wouldn’t yield – it was sink or swim – Beta on and die or Alpha up and survive?
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I too had ‘accidental alpha’ moments in college. I was dating a girl I wanted to get rid of. She was a 5 and very conservative and Catholic. I was very secular and center-left. I wanted her gone because she wouldn’t go on the pill or give me head.
So I started acting in awful ways hoping she’d break up with me since I was a passive-aggressive betamax. I started answering only every-other call. I commented on other women’s’ looks when we were out. I joked around about having other girlfriends. I invited a pretty 2nd cousin I mine to meet up with me at a coffee house when I knew her best friend would be working.
This totally backfired – she was more in love with me than ever before. It was quite an epiphany.
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As far as I can remember I’ve never had a woman withdraw sexually from me. Usually I’m the one to withdraw and move on to the next girl. But I’ll file this away, just in case.
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Cool story bro
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This cool story bro crap shits me.
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Modern Primitive:
Avoid the bodybuilding.com forums like the plague. It is a cesspool of reatrded lingo from generation nothingness. I am in agreeance with you 100%.
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It’s not the lingo that gets me but the intent behind it. This blog is supposed to be about helping dudes get pussy, whether it be in their marriage or by spinning plates. Saying cool story bro after someone contributes with their own experiences makes me think there’s a few jealous/inexperienced people on here who aren’t improving their lives and it lowers the tone a bit.
In b4 someone says cool story bro to me.
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As inane as the internet meme lingo can be (but like everything else these days, when in declining Rome, do at the barbarians do… but I digress) even more inane is the “just jealous” gambit of Cathedral shaming language.
And by the way, bragging about banging sluts you don’t really care about is not “improving life”… for either of you.
Consider yourself Dutch uncle’d.
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It’s more sluts than I was banging a month ago.
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@Modern Primitive
Tell me how Ted Cunderheist was adding value with his comment instead of bragging
1) Did we learn anything by his comment?
2) Did he reflect on what he learned?
3) Did he provide background info on how he got there?
4) Did he attempt to breakdown someone elses experience so they could learn?
5) Did he link to any relevant articles?
NO
He didnt.
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Ted Cunterblast
As far as I can remember I’ve never had a woman withdraw sexually from me. Usually I’m the one to withdraw and move on to the next girl. But I’ll file this away, just in case.
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well look at the comment he wrote
he withdraws moves on you can learn from that
and what is wrong with bragging be happy if that is what you want to achieve
how the fuck you gonna have an idea of where youwant to be if nobody ever brags about ho good it can get
rather hear about a dude fucking twice a month
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GE, you may need to consider getting Uncle Alberted, for your white-on-white besmirchment of my name. As revolted as I am when I see some oil-creature leading a young lily-white beauty around, undoubtedly to lay some tarmacadam on her ovaries later, I have to conversely acknowledge the number of swarthy beauties around the city. My observations are definitely accurate, from what I’ve seen of the city so far. Perhaps if I lived in the upper East side, there’d be more white beauty on display, but on the streets, in the subways, it really is a shit-skin smorgasbord. And there are undoubtedly top-tier beauties among them.
I’m not up to speed with your average armchair American anthropologist yet, but to find a proper, beautiful, pre-wall whitegirl, is like picking through a haystack. So it’s no wonder you see alpha type white males going with other races. Get the guy who’s made +700 approaches to chime in with his observations, to corroborate mine. From what I can see, NY really is the ‘melting pot’ it’s internationally knows as. I’m sure there are much more examples of quality white girls in more provincial states, but it’s Nigasaki here, and it doesn’t seem like anyone’s too concerned about preserving their racial purity.
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So the key is to always be a guy with options? If you have the key to kingdom of her mental& emotional space, you will never be thirsty. Bravo, 5 stars. I don’t like being an asshole. But this reminds me of how to train a dog. Buddy gets a dog and owns a farm where he raises chickens. Dog kills chicken. Tie dog up to post on short leash, tie dead chicken to dog collar and let him sit there the whole day. Never kills another chicken. Or scold him through out the whole day, burying his nose in the dead carcass.
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Always act like the guy with options. Even if your “options” have nothing to do with women and involve a night by yourself playing your favorite video game. You don’t have to TELL them what your other options are, just that you have them. Remember your time is valuable and if she’s not entertaining you, you’ll find someone who will.
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Considering guys today don’t know what a BFG9000 is reminds me of how old I am… :p
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Not only old, you’re fat too.
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if you really want to keep a woman or want to get her back, you follow this guy, period
https://twitter.com/Lonely_Dad
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Is that shit a joke? A parody of blue-state blue-pill beta-tude? Dude even wears a blue oxford shirt. LOL’ed.
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blue-state blue-pill BLUE-BALLS beta-tude
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i also appreciated the little touches, like he follows one account: @eHarmony
the picture really is perfect.
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Used to be a note reading ‘Goodbye cruel word’ was enough said – now we get real-time updates as people peel off every last shred of dignity on their way to the ledge.
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O tempora! O mores!
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STEP 0 – decide if a girl willing to do this is worth reforming
really good stuff though, much of it will work on girls that are disinterested to being with as opposed to withdrawing from a relationship. great guide to stopping natural beta tailspin
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Yeah, I got a reply or two in LIFO where I was saying that keeping your woman well-sexed is mostly for when children are involved. If there aren’t any children yet, then to hell with her.
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i concur. marriage itself is such a shambles anymore that the only standard for putting ‘work’ into saving a relationship is to raise my own offspring
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> “the only standard”
THE. ONLY. STANDARD.
Everything else is a complete waste of your time.
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if it comes to that point where I’ve applied all this and she comes back begging.. chances are i won’t want her back. so bit pointless really
no offense these are all good btw
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lmao I did number 11. Didn’t leave a letter though. White hot rage on the street walking away as she fell to the ground followed by cold text messages informing her of the impending divorce. Now, all the sex I want from her as she tries to win me back for the last few years.
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Can you maintain dread that long? Any tips?
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I came to the conclusion that game is not the solution. Gammas must assert themselves as the true alpha males. Tattoo covered std ridden low lives are not alphas. They are omegas. These are the ultimate alphas!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-vkAmDUUf60
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What’s a gamma male?
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These are Gammas: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-vkAmDUUf60
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I want a definition not a youtube vid.
What’s wrong with a simple Alpha/beta?
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In the beginner’s mind there are many possibilities. In the expert’s mind there are few.
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good quotable makes ya think
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On the other hand, experts built the Titanic… a tyro built the Ark.
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Was Hitler Gamma?
http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2013/08/be-wary-of-gamma.html
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Hitler was both an artist and a destroyer. CH was the one first right about Hitler but he swept it under the rug by labeling Hitler a lowly beta.
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/hitler-was-beta/
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The artist is the true gamma. An artist creates.
http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2014/07/art-and-social-hierarchy.html
. Gammas can create and destroy. So-called alphas base themselves off of Hollywood and reality show characters. They are posers!
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When do you want me to start? http://www.sudokuhints.com/casino-vegas-pay-dirt/ casino vegas pay dirt (outpatient) and is a Qualified Medicare
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Gammas are not afraid of their sexuality.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDAmkPZTdeo
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Portrait of the ultimate Gamma: http://www.starktruthradio.com/?page_id=3
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As I mentioned in the Thirstzone post, go to happy hours and turn your phone off. Absolutely do not pick up the phone when your lady calls, no matter how many times she calls. When you get home, just tell her you had it on mute or it ran out of charge and act like she’s being stupid (you know, kind of like how women act when we complain about not getting enough sex).
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Re: 11
Always be the one to eject first. Every man instinctively knows when the value of sticking around is outweighed by a return to untethered autonomy, yet many will hang around hoping shit “works out”, mostly to keep a steady stream of pussy coming in.
Leaving first implies higher value. Deflating the value of her pussy will drive her mad in attempting to regain hand, which is done mostly by hanging around to see if you still want to fuck.
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The bigger your harem, the more women want in.
Have to say that I have three women that I see regularly, with others that I see mostly as ONS’s and when doing something the “core” group wouldn’t be interested in. But the reason it’s at 3 is more was too unwieldy – didn’t see them enough, and they felt neglected. The nice thing about always having more than one, is no one woman has any leverage – although they do try. And that is usually to your advantage. But I have to agree with this one – it’s easier to keep several women happy than one, since one will bitch – when you have more than that, they want you to always be happy they are there.
Definitely to your advantage…
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You realize that you are describing de facto polygamy, right? A “Big Man” society would mean the Death of Western Civilization.
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Western civilization is already on the ropes gasping it’s dying breath – destroyed by those who hate it from without, and within. I’m not going to be able to change that, but I can take advantage of it. I just admit it, which isn’t politically correct – but again, I couldn’t care less.
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LIFO’ed but polygamy is eastern behavior.
{Western Civilization} == {1 Man / 1 Woman}
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Three’s the magic number for me, too. That’s three local or semi-local girls who can easily swing by your place on a weekly or bi-weekly basis with no hassle. They’re the bread and butter for your cock ‘n’ balls. If you bring up the number to four, five or 6, you start to forget what you said to each girl and you’ll wish you had more time alone. Your week will consist of nothing but screening texts, handling shit tests, and dealing with sporadic blow outs from bitches who want you all to themselves. Believe me, the heightened drama is not worth the extra pussy. Even if you have the mental fortitude of a Shaolin monk, be aware that the more ass you keep, the more time and money you’ll need. More is not necessarily better. Law of diminishing returns and all that. Best to stick with three if you wanna be happy.
I also keep in touch with a few girls in different cities, so whenever I’m rolling through their spot, I cop that twat. These outliers are always down meet up with me during the middle of the day or in the dead of night when their boyfriend/husband’s away or asleep. They’re dying to get dicked down by a real man who knows how to fill all their holes, and do it all with panache. Freaky-ass bitches.
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Yeah. No more than three women around. Eastrus levels go wild and they synchronize periods.
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strong point made here, when I get to 4, 5, and 6, my finances are atrocious when I do an audit, and thats coming from a master of bean harvest game, it can just get out of hand real quick, even if its just more gas money and little things like that, adds up
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One thing that seems to work well, after paying her some attention, escalating a bit, and hitting a plateau, is to naturally get bored with her.
Your boredom will instill her with a dose of dread, and won’t seem butthurt because, well, it just happened.
Boredam Game FTW.
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LIFO’ed, but you can inflate the plateau into the stratosphere by making babies with her.
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“you can inflate the plateau into the stratosphere by making babies with her”
that inflates the plateau the wrong direction though man. a girl doesn’t get MORE into you sexually or any other way after having babies. her attention is going to be divided between you, the kids and whatever else she has going on and you know she’s going to put you last as soon as she gets a little tired or stressed out.
if you want kids then go for it but we’re talking about girls who are losing interest or pulling away. having babies will cause MORE of that not less. babies aren’t the answer to every problem man. especially not this one.
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i’m curious when you get to the stage of having your woman(women) began withdrawing from you — it has to do with beta tendencies? To expand on that — i’m having problems finding if a girl is worth it to keep because if your girl IS withdrawing from you — do you really want to rekindle the fire? or is all of this just part of an emotional roller coaster that comes with relationships?(i’ve never been in *serious* one) but i’ve read on the CH before something like: aruging before 6 months, you failed, but not arguing before a year, you also failed
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Dude, if you make it to six months without an abiding compelling overwhelming desire to make babies with her, then MOVE ON!!!
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“Dude, if you make it to six months without an abiding compelling overwhelming desire to make babies with her”
No one here is planning on making babies shane.
In fact, when you weigh up the pros and cons of making babies in today’s western world, it really is a shit deal. Better to plough poon and spin plates until women have an incentive to make a marriage work, and then you can make babies. Because at the moment all making babies is going to do is ensure you’re locked in for 18 years of $$$ support for an ageing harpy that won’t put out any more at best, and divorces you and takes half of your shit and most of your sanity at worst.
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i gotta say there’s truth to that if she’s a good chick. i know a chick, though she’s not a good person, dated a guy for 8 years(16 to 24). did the whole anti baby drug thing and she had trouble getting preg and when she did both her n her son had problems. sparta needs sons and daughers, at least 5 per couple if sparta is to survive. the younger chicks and dudes start having kiddos the stronger the spawn usually is.
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off topic – file this under dogs + woman = kids.
just had a 30 something 6.5 tell me she has 3 dogs, zero kids “because they’re quieter.”
just like my older sister’s bffs calling her dog her “son”..
women are completely fucked in the head these days.
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Yeah, this afternoon I tried to chat up a couple of libtarded chicks with The Darkness in their hearts, and I was left scratching my head as to why any dude in his right mind would want to dip it in those poisonous holes.
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I guess that’s why the libtards need “Common Core” so desperately – because, absent live births, they are going to have to RECRUIT new converts to their nihilism, just like the now-extinct Shakers tried to do:
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Aloofness, as always, is key.
Reemphasizing what is in the article: these maneuvers will be not simply be nullified, but will backfire if she suspects even a hint of butthurtedness. The sensitivity of her butthurt-radar as well as the actual amount of butthurt you feel will be directly proportional to the amount of time you’ve been together. The last thing you want to do is to further validate her.
Therefore you must be especially meticulous about your execution if you’ve been together for longer than 6 months.
To master the art of “inadvertently” punishing her, you may have to practice in front of a mirror if you deem necessary- for even the most seasoned lothario might be betrayed via agitated body language/ facial expression/ tone of voice.
Of course, keeping two in the kitty does wonders for a man’s aloofness towards any particular female.
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I’m still trying to visualize direct vaginal stimulation from the back, and figure out why and how it comes before taking clothes off. I must live a sheltered life.
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Only visualize?
Cool story, sis.
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As a female minority in T.O., I would say this is a pathetic article.Women are people, not receptacles for your tiny dick you misogynistic, fist pumping, popped collar douchebags. This is one of the worst articles I’ve ever read.
How incredibly sexist and douchey of you. Not surprised no woman wanted the time of day with you or your misogyny. Maybe women have standards and are happy with who they are and don’t need assholes like you telling them otherwise. Or hey! Maybe they’re not all in to men. Stop assuming you deserve a woman simply because you’re a man and maybe women will be more likely to head your way. Just a helpful life tip. It’s 2014 dude. Grow up. Evolve or suffer a lonely life.
Our bodies are not objects you tools!
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Whoa, who left the door open?
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Watch that “popped collar” stuff, toots.
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I’m sure your’s isn’t very objectifiable. How many cats do you have? Do you call them your children?
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I give this troll job 2/10. Would not bang.
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wow, just…..wow
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men are not atms…and guesss what…nobody is marrying princesses anymore so …. Learn To Swim
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Black men like fat women? No. As CH says — black men with options like thin, hot women: http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Entertainment/gty_eddie_murphy_paige_butcher_nt_121107_wmain.jpg
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She looks like a slightly older version of Tiki Barber’s wife.
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Duh.
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Especially the white ones, right Othello?
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Not necessarily: http://thestatechamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/eddiemurphynicole.jpg. http://www.muckety.com/relationPhotos/newscom_Eddie_Murphy_Tracey_Edmonds.jpg.
For anyone who’s wondering tho, Eddie Murphy stats — 5’9, average-looking, black. He also dated Whitney Houston before he was really famous.
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I said especially, judging by the norm of negro celebrities… and, of course, the picture you used as your first reference. :duckface”
And for the record, there’s an awful lot of cream in that Coffey he married, isn’t there? Almost making the point over again. (((shakin’ mah haid)))
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What ‘norm?’ Black celebrities (that I’ve seen) pair up with white and black women. The common denominator is thin and hot. So yes, you said ‘especially,’ and I said ‘not necessarily especially.’ As in, I’m not sure if they prefer white, thin, and hot women, or if they just prefer thin and hot women.
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Scray,
Greg is color struck; thats why he seems homosexual.
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Thwack, as far as that “color struck” stuff goes, have you noticed that three of your own fingers are pointing back at you?
And if I were you, I wouldn’t be snarking about that Brokeass Mountin’ stuff… it appears like nothing so much as projection when you point that finger at the guy who seems to be living in yo’ haid, rent free.
Speaking of living in your head, although the price is right, I’d appreciate it if you’d terminate my lease… the living space is too confined.
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Hey, CH. You mentioned the majority of your knowledge was learned in the field by approaching women. Do you think most men, even betas, by solely approaching women will learn what you did? Or, on the other hand, do you need a certain alpha “foundation” to learn this?
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This thing reads like the playbook for my marriage, and I’d say the article is pretty much field proven. Back in about 2006, we had conversations like “You enjoy sex, so why don’t we have more sex?” She used to go around telling all our friends how I was “wrapped around her little finger” and she used to threaten to cut my penis off with some regularity.
I’ve employed every technique quoted above, short of actually cheating on her, and that is purely due to a lack of game on my part; specifically the fact that my wife is the only woman I DON’T currently have on some kind of pedestal.
People are always asking why I don’t just get divorced. I think as much as anything else it’s just too fun being able to get away with something this unlikely. I was that guy in the “The Wall” whose fat psychotic wife would thrash me within an inch of my life, and the other night the same woman prattled about drinking with some pretty young slut while I stared at the slut like a piece of meat.
I have determined that if I have anything to do with a female who is more intellectually interesting than a vapid slut, I have no chance of not falling in love with her, and when I’m in love, I have no chance of getting laid. Why go do my own laundry when all I can do is trade one vapid slut for a prettier model who probably doesn’t know as much about doing laundry?
Meh. I’ll figure out who stays and who goes once I build the harem.
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I’ve used the DEL in varying degrees and they work a charm.
Last two girls I was banging for a few months both went into complete melt-downs when I fired them. They both seriously lost the plot and stalked me for twice as long as I was actually with them. Why? Because it hardly EVER happens. Women simply can’t handle cold & brutal rejection – unlike men who get rejected all the time and become immune.
Chick I’m drilling now attempted the LJBF shit test on a day 3 in a quiet pub with maybe 10 other people. She had barely got half way through delivering the LJBF’s test when I smirked, got up, put on my jacket and left without saying a word…..I now tease her about it after I blow my load.
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@Stuttie Yes, it takes discipline and strength to walk away from the “Can we be friends/LJBF”.
The only response is either to say “I’m a man, you’re a woman we’re not friends…” or like you did walk away.
That is the only chance that instilling dread will work.
Chicks will say “LJBF” for two reasons: one, they’re not attracted to you…or two, they’re so attracted to you they’re afraid.
Regardlesss…unless being friends is ok….and I do have female friends which I use as pivots, orbiters or get them to do stuff for me…walk away.
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SHE: “LJBF!”
ALPHA: “Gay.”
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ALPHA: “Next.”
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SHE: “No, wait, cum back, I was just teasing. No, don’t leave me all alone. No please. Waaahhhhh!!!!!!!”
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“Chicks will say “LJBF” for two reasons: one, they’re not attracted to you…or two, they’re so attracted to you they’re afraid.”
Or it’s a shit test. I admit, I do it with a specific type of guy.
I like to think girl friends can be of use to guys. We can be great social proof.
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Pfft.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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Too true. I haven’t formalized my understanding of this strategy, but I’ve applied bits & pieces of it over the years. Above all, I’m always the one who punches out first when things head downhill. The look of devastation and stunned disbelief on the new ex-girlfriend’s face brings me a flood of perverse pleasure.
My dark pleasure at the time is not something to be proud of, I admit. But at least when I eject first she’s the one who has to ride that crippled relationship down to the ground, and it lets me escape with my self-respect intact. More often than not, she respects me too (after her flattened ego crawls out of the crater a year or two later).
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But at least when I eject first she’s the one who has to ride that crippled relationship down to the ground,——-More often than not, she respects me too (after her flattened ego crawls out of the crater a year or two later).
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Great visuals Heyjay.
But I still submit there is something attractive about her coming back, hat in hand, to be pounded senselessly in the crater she sent you into.
Tie her up, gag her with her own underwear, and fuck her on a pile of dirty clothes in the corner.
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Typically my exes let themselves go, so they become unattractive. Must be a correlation with consuming pints of tear-stained Ben & Jerry’s ice cream …
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@Heywood… Yah…I told my crazy ex gf to “fuck off” 6 months ago after a series of break-ups and hooverings lead to her litereally chasing me while I was halfway around the world on holiday. After a barrage of texts, calls, etc all of which I ignored I replied. She said she just wanted to be friends. I told her to “Fuck off” and called her out on a lie. When I returned she and I were estranged. She would have that look of dejection sometimes anger, sometimes righteous indignation. I broke no contact 5 months later and danced with her…..we went back to no contact. Then she got the beta shlub she apparently dumped me for to buy tickets to an event I organized, then bailed out on it midway through. I told the dude off for his bad manners.
More no contact…. more no contact….Then suddenly she sends me a text…at 3am two days after my birthday: “happy belated birthday to u”.
Yes it’s lame…but viewed through the jaded prism of game…a 3am text wishing a belated birthday? That girl was agonizing about what to say, how to say it, whether to come out to my public birthday events that friends organized…
I didn’t reply.
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Dread Game will be ineffective, in the long term, if she has already cheated on you.
I remember breaking up with some chick and she never sent another text or called again, ever. I had my suspicions that she was cheating on me. Right after I gave her the boot, sure she was sad and screaming like any good con-woman would do, but It didn’t matter anyway. Her friends told me that she was heartbroken for some time but within a month, she got into another relationship. I’m pretty sure she was seeing the other guy two weeks before I dumped her (that’s when she was starting to get cold on me).
I wouldn’t place too much importance on Dread Game itself but rather, the spinning of more plates. It’s also worthy to note that If she has a higher sexual market value than you, you can bet she’ll move on rather quickly. In this era, girls have a lot of options even if they’re homely looking chicks. The rise of online dating only exacerbates this.
Male thirst has risen to astronomical levels and it won’t stave off unless we have a huge draft or something apocalyptic happens. Until then, expect women to become less and less tolerant of Dread Game when she has other potential suitors.
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@Adonis Same happened to me. But the jumping into another relationship makes the other dude the “Rebound Guy”—a separate post. No alpha guy wants to be that Rebound Guy.
As for all those other ideas—I did that. The girl panicked and broke up with me after I told her off after a week of silence.
That was a good clue that my intuition about her cheating and withdrawing were correct.
Also, her attempts to re-engage were more about her trying to get validation.
Game can help guys make better choices or bail sooner after recognizing bad behaviours that aren’t worth re-enforcing. The reality is any girl who is truly worthy of your attention wouldn’t act out in this way.
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@Wala,
Yeah – “Rebound Guy” is a temp. job. Ask me how I know!
But, that’s not *always* a “bad” thing..
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??? Sometimes folks rebound into a BETTER situation. I think that’s what is known as a “blessing”.
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point is that if she was already wantonly impaling herself on his mandingo before you give her the bullet, he’s the ‘upgrade’ guy
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But if one of your girls is an hb 8.5 or higher she usually isn’t down to be a ‘spinning plate’ I’ve noticed
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If that is true, this is an opportunity for you to tighten your game.
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Has Roosh banged Peru yet?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d7d_1406167451
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One of the comments: “Glock block.”
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OT:
man, twitter fights with the subhuman Obama voters is hilarious. Every black has the same reaction:
1. Freak out that a white guy is insulting them, especially in calling them knig-grrrs (note: I use the proper spelling on twitter)
2. Threaten; pretend to be “hard.”
3. Start panicking that whitey is rising up.
4. try to play chill after chimping out and being punked, claim you’re a coward/have penis envy/live in mom’s basement
5. run away and take the abuse as the slaves they are.
Also, PA is a fairy who believes in fantasies about 9/11 that he doesn’t have the balls to articulate. Probably black.
PA/kneegro rape!
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Too bad about all this bullshit lately
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Many of the replies here talk of girls “worthy or unworthy” of your attention, as if a girl whom you’re with until death is somehow inherently “better” than those whom don’t make it past the first date….or the first year….or the first child, etc. Way too much ego on this blog, not necessarily from the host (though I suspect he is infatuated with himself as well), but from the commenters. I think many people here could benefit from a course in hard determinism (no, not fatalism. determinism).
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Off topic. How do you know when you and a girl are ’emotional involved’ or emotional close. You know when you’re physically (you’re fucking). Is ’emotional closeness’ like cuddling? Or is it through words? What is it…(maybe some examples)
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A private language between you ; demonstrating you know what she’s feeling; allowing her to become emotionally attached to your story. If you emotionally plate spin with every woman you meet, these qualities won’t be a oneitis symptom. So in CH’s descalation you can also suddenly cut the private language for instance.
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ZS, why would anyone want to make babies with any woman considering the state of divorce and child support laws these days?
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best thing if your young I think is just fuck em all to get em all preggers
you can be 45 or so and be done paying and have your own army
but yea later on make dam sure you get the kid
kind of fucks with my head a bit that I could of been building an army in high school
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almost 100 percent of dudes in my area paying child support so yea if your gonna have to do it anyway might as well go buck wild
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The reason he talks like that is because it’s been brainwashed into him since birth that he needs to have children.
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3) Family Court Rape is for BETAS. Women will desperately cling to an ALPHA and will go to war in cat-fights-to-the-death to keep him.
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I don’t want kids yet though. No buns in ovens but a few broken alpha widows until then.
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1) and 2) trapped in LIFO stack hell.
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Great read. Actually used a few of them the other night when I hit LMR. 1) Put my pants back on and layed down. 2) Rolled over and turned by back to her.
Rather than beg and whine if you’re unhappy…you should be losing interest, showing it, and reevaluating the relationship.
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[…] How should a man respond when his woman has begun sexually withdrawing from him? […]
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The key is not if or when a girl tries to slip out of a relationship for some strange cock; its does she come back?
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Where the fuck is that shit in the talmud, rabbi?
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Its interesting that Zombie calls me a joo. His over the top white man simulation is more Joowey than anything Ive said; he sounds like The Family Guy.
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Thwack can only speak from his own frame of reference…
‘Hood mores have, shall we say, a distinct ambiance.
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A few years ago before I found the red truth, my ltr was getting stale (Imagine that). She was bored and I was a boring beta provider. We were living 1000 miles away from our home and families. Finally one day I came home from work and with little warning I told her, “Maybe you should go back home.” She cried but she never said no or made any objection. 3 weeks later she was gone. I was pretty tore up that she didn’t fight for it or try to change in any way. She never even asked if there was anything she could do to make things better. She was the type who always had to be right and win every argument and always have the last word. It was her pride that made her leave. Me dumping her just utterly nuked her hamster. I probably enjoyed doing it more than I should have.
She’s still miserable. I’ve never been happier.
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Yeah, for all there so-called survival instinct and slavery to genetic wiring, many would just as soon cut off their nose to spite their face, rather than give the man the satisfaction of “working” on the relationship.
C’est la vie.
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“Any man who’s been fortunate to receive such desperate magnanimity from a woman will tell you it’s heaven on earth. The closest we have, in fact, to unconditional love in this corporeal realm.”
I’m surprised no one touched on this aspect yet. Rollo mentions how men love idealistically and women love opportunistically. I’ll dangle commitment indefinitely and I’ll never get married, but I truly enjoy flirting with and initially getting to know girls. (Note, I did not say ‘women’. To quote Al Bundy, “the problem with girls is that they turn into women”.)
Unfortunately, once in a relationship, the only way to recapture a girl’s infatuation and genuine interest is with DEL, dread game, etc. While employing these tactics sates my inner-sadist’s thirst, it results in actual boredom and disinterest on my part and my cock begins to wander in search of genuine flirting.
To be clear, I’m not talking about issues with a girl not swallowing, refusing anal, etc. If she isn’t into what I like, I’ll teach her to love it or conveniently lose her number. What I’m referring to is the initial enthusiasm that inevitably wanes in the absence of methods outlined in CH’s post. Too many thirsty guys are just happy to cum in a girl’s ass (or… pick your perversion of choice), regardless of the girl’s mental/emotional state. There’s a big difference between your girl letting you do (fill in the blank) and your girl being excited about it. There is a tangible difference between enthusiastic sex and resignation sex. I can also tell a difference between flirtatious, fresh-and-new sex and DEL/dread game inspired sex. I prefer it flirtatious and fun.
In summary, this shit works wonders. She WILL have her mouth, ass and pussy glued to your cock. However, I’d rather flirt with and fuck a younger, tighter model and actually enjoy myself. Sadly, it is hard to completely get rid of the last one when she indulges every whim on demand…
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“There’s a big difference between your girl letting you do (fill in the blank) and your girl being excited about it. There is a tangible difference between enthusiastic sex and resignation sex. I can also tell a difference between flirtatious, fresh-and-new sex and DEL/dread game inspired sex. I prefer it flirtatious and fun.”
This
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How the hell did my post come in with that avatar?
I thought all the posts with that avatar were from some sockpuppet douche. Guess I was wrong LOL.
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What’s the deal with WordPress? All those posts from that one avatar on all the COWs lately and my post came in with it too. Pisses me off.
Something isn’t right.
Check this out. If you go over to the recent comments list and click on that avatar, it’s takes you to this site http://www.alittletouchofold.com/about-us
You’ll notice you can’t click on any other avatars. Just the one. It’s some lame computer generated BS. What the eff?
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It’s the standard avatar when you don’t leave an email address.
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To what end, bro?
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I think we all know throat fucking a girl is more fun when she’s the one pushing her head down your dick to the point of choking just to please you. It’s rather odd, but I feel genuine affection towards girls who can’t keep their legs together due to pure lust, while when things go tepid, I feel like releasing my inner sadist as well.
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dam pulled over on ide of road after going lake and pulled into a race car event that was about to start spur of moment I think my t has definetly gone up he he he
listening to roaring engine and crashes and shit catching on fire not a bad night
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did this there
my girl went to take the kids down to the bathroom saw her coming back and I knew
I needed to get down from the stands to this hill cause it
was all fucked up and help her up
there were people in chairs at the top
i’m coming towards she almost at top
she starts falling backwards slipping
I grab her hand like lightening
pull all three up I turn around with them in tow the rest of way up and
the look on the people faces in the chairs was priceless shock and awe
they thought they were about to watch a horror movie
after the dude collected himself he said nice save i said thanks
i love those little moments
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I’ve been doing this de-escalation without knowing. Its working, more crimson arts please.
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listening to pink floyd…
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Much of the month she’ll want a “beta” male, so evolutionary issues aren’t the central issue. The real issue is much darker. If pathological narcissism is ubiquitous among American females, then the corollary is that sadism must be as well. Have you seen “Mean Girls” or “Heathers”?
The truth is the opposite of feminism. Sadistic women want to control or harm men and seek male partners to do this. Denial of sex and divorce court are the two prominent examples. The issue then becomes “How do I prevent my partner from unleashing her sadistic desires upon me?” The answer is usually what corresponds to “Alpha” behavior.
This means that the reason for “Alpha” success in relationships is not necessarily evolutionary, but based on mitigating abusive relationships with sadistic narcissists. So, the intellectual undergirding is less Darwin and more Sam Vaknin. Somehow, “Alpha” behavior seems to stem (sometimes) the narcissistic abusive impulse.
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Women aren’t sadistic. It’s more likely they will play along your sadism and let themselves be defiled in countless ways than do sadistic things towards most people. The reality though is that wimps are repulsive to women in a visceral sense. I did think of this and I think that pure hatred exists in the heart of women only towards despairingly uxorious or acquiescent men. I have no idea how denial of sex is sadistic. I deny obese women with facial deformities my dick too, much like contemptible weak men get shunned by women.
BTW, now I know why my relationships have been pretty solid. An interesting fact is that I always broke up with girls when I felt either my or her interest getting stale. Only my first girlfriend broke up with me first and that’s because I was rather silly and she beat me to it. This is something that I keep telling my friends too: when obvious signs of relationship problems rear their head, break up with her. Usually she will come back to you.
You also don’t get how evolution works. Evolutionary speaking, only the ovulation part matters – you know, when she lusts over that alpha guy to plant a baby inside her(subconsciously, at least, but I don’t think I’m the only guy here who had his girlfriend fantasize about getting pregnant during sex).
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The De-escalation Ladder is the right medicine if your relationship is sick. The prevention to avoid getting sick is good sex.
>And the fewest possible can muster the state control to apply the lessons as intended.>
-Cause for 99% it is acting. The De-escalation Ladder is the description of a lifestyle of an Alpha. And an truely alpha would not come in a situation like above.
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