I see this a lot in clubs and bars where noise is a problem, but also in quieter venues where the only problem is the beta male doing it wrong.

The horrible combination sideways lean-in + side-of-mouth talking + craning neck. It’s the beta male body language trifailure.
Half of game is knowing what not to do. This ludicrous, enfeebling posture may tickle Manboobz Fatrelle’s porcine labia, but it’ll turn off any woman who is the recipient of it. If you wonder why this behavior is beta, you have to see it in action. Seeing is believing. But the theoretical explanation goes like this: Awkwardly leaning in to speak to an indifferent or distracted woman subcommunicates a frantic need for her attention, which is value lowering, and girls prefer their men enthroned at a higher social value plateau than themselves. Leaning in sideways adds the element of cowardice: Now he is trying to get her attention without putting too much of himself on the line. Leaning in sideways while craning the neck and talking out of the corner of one’s mouth is exponentially beta. Pained tentativeness and neediness distress cues are the opposite of alpha male could-give-a-fuck.
So what do you do instead if you find yourself standing like this next to an oblivious girl? If she can hear you from where you’re standing, all it takes to get her attention is a pivot of the head so that you’re looking at her (and preferably down at her) through one eye. Keep your body facing forward. She hasn’t yet earned your full nonverbal engagement. If she reciprocates, you may turn more towards her to continue the foreplay conversation.
If the scene is loud and she won’t hear you from way up there, you’ll have to engage more forcefully. This means boldness in action. If you must make your verbal intentions known over ambient noise, then do it with pride of purpose. Turn to face her so that you obstruct most of her view and she can’t mistake your solicitation for the mumbles of a passing derelict. Penetrate her earspace with a diaphragm-expulsed vocal timbre so that you don’t have to bend at the waist too far. The truly overconfident cads may want to bend over until their lips are practically brushing the maiden’s cochlea and speak straight into the hamster ear trumpet.
Excessive venue noise unfortunately does not allow much leeway for indirect, uncommitted body language openers, but that could be a good thing for a lot of men, who from the sight of them treat women like they’re museum artworks protected by lines of tape on the floor that one crosses under penalty of castration.

Damn, and all that time Sheryl Sandburg was telling me to lean in.
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That’s their plan. Do the opposite of whatever YKWs tell you.
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make them lean into you
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JJ Cale said he deliberately mixed his vocals waayyy back so as to get the listener to lean in.
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[…] Common Beta Male Body Language Mistakes […]
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Agree about not leaning in. Let them strain to catch your pearls of wisdom. However, the only times I’ve done this is if the music is too loud, in which case I lean in as if I’m about to start licking her neck, which creates instant intimacy.
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I actually enjoy going out on dates and TALKING with women, and so I have to lean in just to hear what they’re saying. Outdoor cafes and cookouts and picnics [with booze] are so much better for guys like me with extremely sensitive hearing.
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BTW, refusing to lean in is a form of Scarcity Game, playing hard-to-get, forcing her to lean in towards you because YOU are the prize, NOT she. And she will always want what she [perceives that she] can’t have.
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Scarcity Game is tough, though – you have got to hold frame. In fact, for many “Nice Guys” [accustomed to always finishing dead last], just the holding of the frame will be a form of “Fake It Till You Make It” which will eventually start to change their personalities.
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And the best way to hold frame is to learn to NOT CARE! The primary reason that Nice Guys lose Frame [and start to lean in] is because they still care.
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are so much better for guys like me with extremely sensitive hearing.
I can’t hear worth a dern when it’s loud, so I just have to remember that body language is 90% of communication and it doesn’t really matter what they’re saying anyway, and to just pretend I do hear them.
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I actually enjoy going out on dates and TALKING with women
No, Zombie, you just enjoy talking to yourself.
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TJW, I have been watching all of these vintage TV clips for the last day, and I can’t see a dime’s worth of difference between the whiny foul-mouthed horse-faced routine which Joan Rivers was peddling in the 1960s and 70s, and the EXACT same routine which Sarah Silverman would be peddling 30 years later.
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PINING FOR TRUE ALPHA: Joan Rivers betrayed the True Alpha Johnny Carson, and he NEVER spoke to her again: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/joan-rivers-why-johnny-carson-398088
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What Scott Walker should have said to Horsey Wassermann Schultz: “Well now I’ll win the 50-Shades-of-Grey vote; that’ll put me over the top in a landslide!” http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/03/house-dem-accuses-gop-gov-scott-walker-of-grabbing-women-by-the-hair-and-pulling-us-back/
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Johnny Carson’s Practical Joke on Joan Rivers – Margaret Thatcher Impressionist (about 1983) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BainzD2lKmk
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I think that Johnny and Joan were probably lovers. And if not, then you know that Joan must have spent her entire life being haunted by the obsession for landing that big hard True Alpha cock between her legs.
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But that essay which Joan wrote – trying to figure out why Johnny would never speak to her again – is either an outstanding example of a Jewess trying to turn lemons into lemonade by lying and falsely attributing motivations to Carson…
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…or else it’s a fascinating glimpse into the neurotic insanity which lies deep within the tortured mind of a professional jewess.
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Or she’s right on the money with her analysis. Which is entirely possible.
[CH: possible. but not probable.]
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Agree but with a twist… motion her to come closer, turn your head away from her and point to your ear. Now she will be coming into your space and whispering in your ear. Perfect to put your free hand on her arm or waist.
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“pearls of wisdom” – haha, ego maniac alert
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Some interesting stuff here about language usage, e.g., high status people use “I” less than low status people in conversation http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/09/01/344043763/our-use-of-little-words-can-uh-reveal-hidden-interests
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Third person case is the way men communicate.
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Third person case is the way men communicate.
Because it sounded so normal when George used it in Seinfeld.
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Because women talk about themselves all the time, and low-status men resemble women.
The only real reason to talk about yourself is for providing examples or for comparison purposes with something else.
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man I was just thinking about this the other day….chicks talking non stop about themselves, god it’s annoying as hell….10x worse when some dude is doing it, at least be a hot chick if you’re boring me to tears…
one thing I can’t stand man is when a dude fucking talks about himself non stop…like what he does, what he had, what he has, what someone said about him, what fucking 40 yard dash time he ran in highschool 29 years ago. 1 thing I’m staunchly opposed to is qualifying. Don’t fucking qualify yourself to anyone ever bros…that shit is weak as hell. Take it a step further, never qualify yourself and never explain yourself.
You know fucking low value when you hear “Man back in the day I used to….”
Always midlife married suburb guys too.
Second to these fucking qualifying has-been losers are effeminate manbooblets explaining and rationalizing every goddamn thing they think and feel. Lefty hipster libtards are the worst with this too…always explaining their “feeeeeeelings” on something or rationalizing every tiny detail of their stance on the matter. Liberal and femininity are damn near synonymous so it should be no surprise lib men come off like they’re dripping in estrogen. Rationalization hamster, feeeeelings, moral posturing, SJW, strawman tactics, shaming
An easy one for guys who have trouble with the “life of the party” persona, maybe weaker on charisma, to start your red pill dosing…..shut the hell up. Crack some jokes, smart off maybe..but leave out the dumb shit. When you open a set or start a convo, don’t ask a million questions, explain why you did or said certain things, and certainly don’t talk about yourself so much…you’ll exponentially improve your chances.
For adapting to LTR game, never explain yourself…you don’t answer to anyone. You’re Joe Alpha and you automatically make sound judgements, you are proud as hell who you are and why you do what you do…why would you need to explain HOW you feel a certain way or said that thing you said 10 years ago to some nagging wife?!
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don’t fall for the conditioning set forth here.
I is the only frame of reference..
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Typical Tilikum whining. Note that he is too lazy to read the article. He just wants to beat his weak chest a little. He’s all about “me me me me!” so he took this as a personal insult.
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Underbiter, it IS possible to surpass the social norms of a beta society and lead a different kind of existence 😉 generally it doesn’t involve a bunch of tl;dr comments full of 5 paragraph missives demonstrating a lack of capacity to think in the abstract.
but you just stay in that gym of yours sniffin all the T around ya, and I’ll keep pointing out your tedium for the newbies who want to learn.
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many people use “I” statements in order to be less confrontational and to elicit a more positive response from the listener. it can represent lower status but not always. it depends on the motivation of the speaker and the context.
for example, saying… i feel this or i think that is less likely to put someone on the defensive than if you said, you did this or you did that.
generally women probably do this more often than men but it’s something that non-confrontational people do in general no matter what status level they have. as well as a strategy used by mediators and professional communicators.
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All good points Toker.
It definitely depends on the context. People being led by their egos use “I” because they wanna make every interaction/discussion about themselves; but interestingly, white people retard this behavior when discussing race; THEN they start speaking for OTHER white people, or my personal favorite, their ancestors.
Forcing a white person (especially a liberal one) to answer for themselves when discussing race is something nonwhite people often forget to do.
This is why they are in the position they are in today.
I know cause Im one of em.
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I “lean in” left. lolz
Seriously, I just approach until a woman wants to dance with me. The other night starting out I got eight rejections in a row from SMV 4-6’s in less than a minute and the ninth was a hottie who wanted to dance with me.
I don’t understand this beta crap. Just go talk or dance. If they don’t want attention, move the fakk on.
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Yesterday in a day game scenario I approached a park ranger for assistance. She was a cute mid-20s blonde. Anyway, at some point I decided to game her a little for fun, to practice my skills, and to brighten her day. So when I made that decision, I smiled an Amused Mastery ™ smile at her while we were walking and she was facing away, pretending not to watch me. Facing away was kind of a b1tch-shield. She immediately smiled back, still not facing me. Looked like a 5h1t-test kind of smile. “Hey, buddy, let’s see what you got.”
So we walked to the dry drinking fountain, she fiddled with it, then called it in to maintenance. So I was heading back to continue my walk around the lake and she was walking with me. She offered me a bottle of water from her car, which she said was warm, then immediately offered a cold lemonade instead. I figured that she really wanted the lemonade, it being cold, so I accepted the water. I also stopped walking and turned to face her, and she followed suit. I said that it was very nice of her to offer the lemonade and she smiled big. It was a bit of deep rapport.
We walked to her car and she reached in to get the bottle of water. I moved a couple of feet to get a better look at her seat. She was surprised to find that I had moved and figured out why. She brushed her hair back over her ear and smiled as she gave me the bottle of water. The ranger started talking a bit fast and nervously as I edged away. I thanked her and said good-bye.
She was decent to me and I to her; it was mostly platonic with just a little flirtation. She gave me a bottle of water and I gave her my attention, tingles, comfort, deep rapport, and validation.
The water was warm and refreshing, as was the encounter with the ranger. I expect that she enjoyed the encounter as least as much as I did.
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That’s a great story, and something game deniers don’t understand. Game can have tremendous benefit even if you don’t get laid. That woman will remember you always, and your day was way more entertaining as a result.
In a similar situation, I messed with a waitress a bit in this fashion. I negged her a bit about taking my order last at the table. Then during the 2nd round order noticed as she started to walk away that she had a tattoo on her wrist. I grabbed her wrist, and turned her hand over as I read it. It read “Life is beautiful,” so I looked into her eyes with the best “I’d bang the crap out of you” smirk I could muster and said, “It is, isn’t it?” Gina tingles for the win. A chode at the table though it was stupid, but when you have enough balls to take action like that, you earn the gift of certainty you clearly see in a girl’s eyes in that moment that what you did wasn’t stupid in the slightest.
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Bingo…I always endeavor to be that senseless act of beauty that one reads about on the bumper stickers.
But seriously, yeah that sort of thing is recommended, just have balls, take action, tell her she’s gorgeous with no expectation and then walk off. That sort of random thing when you are the ray of sunshine in her shitty life. Tell her she has nice shoes or hair, women dig that crap.
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Should have taken the lemonade then sipped on it with a smile on your face as you leaned against her vehicle and relaxed so she could watch, maybe even entertain you a bit. Sounds like she was yours. Never refuse an offer for her to provide you something unless you’re allergic to it.
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Well. Some listen to the advice about always showing yourself as the cool alpha and run with that alone. Forum threads become a contest in who can neg the women the most. The least caring wins the thread. Even smiling at a woman becomes too beta: “Give her nothing!”
By that logic, for maximum effect you should never approach any woman. “Let them come to you, and if not, it’s their loss.” There was even a guy who wrote that the best way to catch women was to take a shower and then go out and ignore them all. Bravo … won the coolness contest, right?
Real life is different. If I hear a guy say he never buys a woman so much as a cup of coffee, I know it’s bull, or he never goes on dates. Simple convenience requires that you buy her a coffee sometimes if you’re standing in line at a café, so you don’t have to stand there for the time it takes for two people to order and pay separately. We talk about not trying to win a girl over too much. That doesn’t include small things that you do person to person no matter if it’s a date or not.
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Yeah. I think a few beginners need a giant hard alpha “fake-it-till-you make it” shocking slap in the face on how to be a man, so it may jumpstart some, but real world is different for anything other than temporary flings. When you have had your share of women, you start realizing they can be a massive pain in the ass no matter how alpha you are, and some are to be completely avoided. Hot attention whores bug the shit out of me once the sexual conquest wears off. You can try the hard alpha “shut the fuck up, bitch” routine, but then you’re just keeping them in line for the trophy on your arm. I’ve learned I like the sexy librarian feminine type – it gives my mind zen-like peace to never have to think “shut the fuck up.”
As far as gifts, they will buy you more than you buy them, but yeah, you still buy them stuff, usually stuff that shows you listened to them or reminds them of some time you had together or some joke you shared – e.g. that you put thought into it. If you add a story of how you came to acquire it to it, it’s like a diamond necklace, even if it’s inexpensive.
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I’ve learned I like the sexy librarian feminine type – Just a normal girl who is also attractive, I think you mean. Yes, in the long run this is best.
Furthermore, I have found that many such girls can be very adventurous in bed. I know some say that “crazy girls are crazy in bed”, but I have slept with crazy girls who were just trouble in bed, rejecting any “demands”. Who will be good in bed is not always something you can tell from how they act otherwise. There was a girl who was like a sweet angel in public, who got totally hooked on being dominated in bed when we were together.
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Vows, dude. I’m married. I game the donut lady, too, for free donuts. Day game is a take-it-slow context anyway. I expect to see the ranger again sometime. Did you spot how I sexualized the encounter? There were two instances.
Did you like the way I took down the b1tch-shield? What was my DHV in this encounter?
You can’t say anything definite from this encounter. The most is that it builds towards future possibilities.
She will remember me for a little bit. The deep rapport will help keep the memory and fond feeling alive. DHV will be required again. I may be able to refresh her memory, but she might have a b1tch shield up then that will have to be taken down.
I understand about b1tch shields. I get hit on enough that I have my own shield up a lot.
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I’m not sure if you’re saying you’re married and game but don’t touch or you take it slow or what. Anyway, just saying if a girl offers you something nice, take it if you’re into it and her and let her watch you enjoy it. It’s a fat pitch.
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Oh, now I understand your point. Yeah, I could have gone that route. Instead I went the deep rapport route. Since I didn’t accept her generous offer but acknowledged it, she’ll remember me a bit longer, I think. The water was actually perfect for me. I didn’t think about enjoying it in front of her. Probably better to break rapport sooner. Gives her hamster something to chew on–why I didn’t follow up. Just a bit o’ fahnnn.
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I’m an Old Man, and excessive venue noise is a BIG problem for me. My game has ALWAYS been based on the stuff that comes out of my mouth. I don’t see how ANYBODY gets ANYWHERE in clubs these days.
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Im a young man and I cant take the noise. Hurts my ears. Plus that horrible bass just kills me.
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I do alright in noisy locations because I have an abnormally high rod count in my eyes. Lets me see and read lips in almost total darkness. I use it as a DHV by being able to play silly games like you’re teaching a toddler… ears, eyes, nose, lips.
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at least you can relate to the klub grlz who also have an abnormally high rod count, in their mouths, keesters, etc
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Dubstep is like being on animal tranquilizer.
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Most droll!
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The loud bass makes my rod vibrate in the klub grlz moufs n keesters.
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Good tips! Thanks, CH.
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Haha whos the Wild Man?
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Beta males must really be stupid. Why the hell would they go to bars/clubs to pay for expensive drinks, tolerate the noise, and not hit on chics. Just throw a get together at your own place or go to a friend’s party. It really is that easy. And if a person feels too old for parties, maybe they’re too old for the club scene.
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Also, day game tactics seem to work fine in my recommended scenarios. Don’t really care for club-type chics anyway. Understand, this is from MY experience.
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Clubs suck, unless you’re going with a group you know beforehand. Bars and other such more intimate locations are better, because women there are more up to chatting with strangers. House parties are, of course, preferred, but that requires getting to know a few people who are up to inviting you to one.
And of course, get cheap drinks. Most bars have a daily discount for something, so get that if you like it. Or go to their happy hour. Otherwise, a well mixture (whiskey-Coke, screwdriver, etc.) generally doesn’t cost very much, in many cases even less than a Bud Light, and IMO tastes considerably better.
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If you both must drink and are a frugal jew, just carry your own flask of decent mid-range boubon. Cheap well drinks are an affront to GOD
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Clubs are great…I used to make out with a new chick every week in da club. Everyone knew who I was, I was constantly in VIP, I wore crazy shit that got compliments even from dudes.
Mine was a reef hunter’s game tho…sit at the VIP lounge bar and wait for someone promising to come up beside me. Or stand by the door and wait until some hot chick was being denied entry and tell the bouncer, yeah I know her. I used to go grab chicks for one of the owners.
Chasing women requires too much energy; ain’t ever really had that. And the dude who said women are a PITA- hell yea they are.
You can do well in da club if you adjust your tactics. You can get away with being outrageous in a lot of respects in da club. If that suits your personality, then go for it. Bars are where I would take a chick on an arranged thing. To just pick up, go to da club…one time I just stood in the center of the dance floor with my arms folded, beat up reeboks, a pair of jeans, an Aero shirt and fuckin sunglasses. The literally hottest chick in the joint had her arm around me telling me how cool I was within an hour or so. I did prime her earlier by walking up and telling her she was beautiful in that dress then walking off. Obviously
I seem to recall getting her #, fk, maybe I shoulda called her…oops. Oh well, point being is that chicks go to da club for the Vegas effect and they are looking for outlandish cuckoo peacock stuff.
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AryanAbduction; or just stick to Jewish Cocktails (glasses of water).
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When it comes to clubs you have to think for yourself and not let others tell you what place is good. You have to consider who you go with, and if it really is possible for you to score there, fashionable joint or not fashionable joint. Be ready to strike a place off your list no matter what other people say. And be ready to ditch them all if the night clubs in your town are not working for you, or you simply don’t do well in night clubs at all. Remember your goal and don’t go anywhere just to be fashionable.
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Betas live in hope; partly because they are unaware and naive as to women’s true nature and motivations.
It’s the same sort of thinking where a guy might believe that a stripper likes him because they had a conversation in a strip club and she was nice to him.
I know because I once so Blue Pill it was painful.
Also; as far as socialising, in many cases there aren’t really that many alternatives other than going to bars/clubs
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I nominate the first sentence as COTW.
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I mostly see this in engagement/wedding photos.
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And whatever you do, don’t do this:
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He’s wearing sunglasses at night too.
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Looks like they’re married.
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was that guy having a fkin seizure or something? what in hell was all that gyrating he was doing? Was painful to watch
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nervous energy. that stuff probably used to work at teenage discos though, especially when everyone was soused . his gambit may have paid off when the cameras stopped rolling as nobody else was approaching this ‘sheila’
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OT
Biggest divorce in the US coming up:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2742171/Hedge-fund-billionaire-bullied-wife-signing-prenup-leave-1-PERCENT-husbands-5-6billion-fortune.html
Griffin apparently shook a four-poster bed during an argument prior to the prenup. In legalese, that’s called “destroying a piece of furniture” and constitutes “duress”.
Why the ultrarich marry is beyond me. And this is his SECOND.
Money can’t buy alpha.
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The only relevant part of that article is the allegation that she was apparently presented with the pre-nup and financials just three days before the wedding. If true, that will absolutely destroy the pre-nup. It is absolutely essential that you get it to her months in advance and have her lawyer attest in writing that he has carefully reviewed it with her.
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She would get “only” $56 million. Why should she get any of it at all? He made that money, not she.
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A couple gets married and he brings an existing $5m net worth to the table. She brings just her good looks.
A year later they get divorced. He/they are now worth $6m. When asked how much she gets in the divorce, every woman seems (despite all evidence of innumeracy prior to this question coming up) to be instantly capable of calculating that she’s entitled to 1/2 the increase, or $500k.
But what if the winds of fortune blow the other way and he’s/they’re worth $4m after the divorce (either as a function of just bad luck, or perhaps they spent the year living La Vita Loca). Does she now owe him $500k? Wait, you just said she’s entitled to half the difference? But not if the difference is negative? Hypocrisy, thy name is woman.
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protagonist in Clockwork Orange, smirk-shouting at ptitsa: “YOUR ARE INVITED.”
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Ptitsas, my friend… ptitsas.
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This scene from HITCH has been floating around and is a good illustration of the OP.
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Noticed how in Hollywood land, people hardly ever strain to hear what the other is saying. The music is “just so” in the background while the characters and audience can hear the actors speak without straining their voices or struggling to hear. Total bullshit.
Men go to clubs because the women are there.
Women got to clubs/bars to dress up, dance, ply free drinks from foolish men, get all the attention and validation they want, “compete” with other women, have their pussies polished by admiring betas and on the off chance they might actually meet a man “worthy” of them.
The club/bar context strongly favours good looking, alpha men, with some cash (or coke) to splash. In this environment, there is strong element of preselection. The betas and chumps are mostly there to make up the numbers.
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All true. Once again, the Alphas enjoy the boozy half-dressed atmosphere created by the Betas buying $10 cocktails for women and keeping the club in business.
I like this scene from Things to Do In Denver When You’re Dead:
It is James Bond game, tight, direct, sharply-dressed, confident.
Yet it also has twinges of Beta. Asking about the FWB, she is leaning back against the wall while he ever so slightly seeks her attention, he compliments out of the gate.
Then again, it may be assumed he carries high value simply by being there at this club. She is also in the right frame of mind to be approached, she may have even thrown off approach signals which then indicates social intelligence and high-T on his behalf. She is intelligent, feminine and able to take a compliment without a bitch shield up, and bored with her current relationship, so it does work.
But yeah, the music volume is ever so perfectly tuned to provide ambience and in-depth conversation. Bass, guitar and drums to the Casanova’s vocals.
In addition to the “Three Horsemen of the Second Sexual Apocalypse” that CH has talked about, Hollywood has also laid tremendous damage. Its million manlet strong Beta male army who think the NiceGuyWithFlowers and charming pickup line gets the girl go to battle every day with the thundering herd of Soap Opera/ChickFlick deluded narcissists that American women have become.
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Also notice how in Hollywood land they NEVER miss a line and always have something so well-delivered that it’s almost as if they took multiple takes reading a script written and reviewed over a long period of time with the purpose of perfecting every aspect. lol
If you can be 1/10 as smooth as Bogey in Casablanca, you will bang every chick you ever meet.
Sometimes I get a little liquored and I hit lines like these in the movies, maybe once in a weekend and mfin feel like a superstar. I’m a glib, well-spoken, high vocab dude in the first place and I cannot even hope to approach the smoothness of scripted lines. It’s nice to imitate art, but you don’t get a rehearsal in real life. Don’t look to these guys for how to roll, because, see, the script that says “alpha male approaches female” pretty much guarantees success a priori.
And that MMA fighter who KTFOd some dude in a cage is gonna get more attention from women anyway.
[CH: movies are exaggerated simulacra of reality, but that doesn’t mean a good honest movie has nothing of value to say. that scene in hitch, while scripted, is accurate in its depiction of effective game techniques. so while you may not be as smooth as an actor reading a script, you can be smooth enough to get better with girls like that chick hitch is macking.
ps that was about the only good scene in hitch. it quickly devolved to sappy blue pill shit toward the end.]
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@Joe Sixpack. The character’s game is tight. Note the boyfriend destroyer…”Does he make you thump?” The fact in the scene she hesitates with “Define thump” means she’s in his frame.
Yes, it’s a film and everything is scripted to create a certain ambience. That’s why the idea of him complimenting her is injected—Blue Pill fantasy.
But his confidence, his escalation, his immediate r-selection “are you in love?” vs “do you have a boyfriend (provider)?”
This clip is worth a deeper discussion.
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Indeed @walawala there is a lot in that scene to unpack, lot’s of stops, starts st responses etc.
Here is a clip continuing the instadate – it’s a bit sappy and over the top, but shows lots of DHV and how to feed off a woman’s need and desire to be romanced by an Alpha male. he does a lot of beta but it is all from his alpha frame. You see a lot of hard 100% all alpha all the time on game sites, but there is still huge value in connecting on an emotional level, not just a primal level. The trick as always is your frame.
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First – direct approach, comes over, closes in on her space,arm up by her shoulder, strong eye contact the entire time, puts out a question that demands a response. Good pause when he responds to her “why?”
Has a response to her first ST at 0:30 “does this rap ever work” and flips things on her “you haven’t answered my question” Straight ploughing. 0:42 She shows some doubt and says “she forgot” the question, he ploughs, persists.
She qualifies. ST at 0:51 “he’s crazy about me” he agrees and amplifies “you glide”, again this flips the script back to his frame.
Throws out an indirect neg “most girls plod along” which she {wants to} agrees with.
1:03 make sher qualify the boyfriend “what’s his name Chip? She gives his name “Alex” he blows right past with “same thing” then qualifies her again with the epic “does he make you thump?’line, then destrows her ST at 1:13 when she says “define thump” with what amounts to a cold read of what is lackin gin her relationship with Alex.
She ST him again at 1:17 “that’s a ridicoulous concept no one can do that” and at 1:20 he flips it back on her and assumes he is a guy that can make her thump (he points to himself with a cocky smile) “girls who glide need guys who make them thump” i.e. you and me against the world.
1:24 issues invitation “have dinner with me” not “would you have dinner with me”. This could have been stronger more direct, still implies a question.
1:25 another ST “sultan of segue” and “are you going to make me thump” he ploughs WITH STRONG EYE CONTACT “i’ll try – dinner, pause… just dinner”.
1:41 another slight ST “i’m going to regret this” he A & A “only if we are lucky”. Space is very close now.
1:47 pulls out pen and directs girl to write her number on his hand (some kino) then leans in and smells her hair, more kino.
An excellent snap shot of body language, direct eye contact, maintaining frame, not being thrown by ST’s and assuming the sale (at no point does it appear he thinks he will get blown out). Also looks like at least 10 year age difference.
Great stuff thanks for posting. what do you guys get from this?
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ok- you guys DO understand that the outcome in these movies is a fkin foregone conclusion, right? He’s not actually REACTING to anything she says or does, SHE is reading a script and so is he! She’s not INTO him, she’s an actor and so is he! The whole outcome is directed!
In real life it will not work this way. You try this movie shit sometime and see how it goes. That movie hitch was asinine, and that scene was among the worst. She gave cunt moves to “chip” and then of course the strapping black man needs to come over and put his hand on the shoulder to enforce the diminutive stature of the hapless white man, and then the chimp will show us ALL how it’s done. Std jewlywood race cuckold BS.
And of COURSE, the girl is enthralled by it! Why? Because the fkin SCRIPT says so.
Because this site is populated by so many nerd betas, I’m gonna assume you all know what “plot armor” is…these movie approaches are like being brave with plot armor on. You know you can’t be killed so you can be as audacious as you want.
In real life, a chick that bitchy looks up and sees some ugly mfer like Will Smith, some ape lookin goofy negro and she says “who the fuck are you?”
TRY IT sometime…see some dude failing with a hot chick and walk up and try this opener. It will help to first look like Tom Brady.
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^^^ You hear anything?
Me either…
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Half of game is knowing what not to do.
Hah, yes. When new guys come to a pua/manosphere forum to ask for advice, telling some story about a pick-up attempt, most of the advice is about how he screwed it up in that scenario. Mostly by contacting her too much through phone and computer, asking for dates too much and being too emotional.
Many guys try to score points by showing themselves to be “above game” by being direct and telling her early on they like her, etc. They think they are being unique when they buy her flowers – always tongue-in-cheek when they hand them over, of course. Except it’s not tongue-in-cheek, that’s just a cover. They act as if game is something cads invented to get to women, and women must long to be rid of it. The truth is that women invented the dating game – or rather, the dating game is there because of women’s preferences.
If a guy says “I won’t play games, I’ll just say honestly that I like you and want us to be a couple”, he may think himself unique, but the truth is that some variant of this is the typical beta game. And he just lowered his value in her eyes, showing himself to be desperate for her, and therefore a low-quality guy who can’t get anyone else.
There are many ways guys screw up their chances when hoping to “be different”, just like every other beta. Indeed, half of game is knowing what not to do.
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tedious. christ.
you realize people can search no?
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The omega Tilikum stops by to whine again. Note that he never has anything to say about game. Omegas like him are just here to show their bitterness toward women and beat their chest. Tilikum is pissed and whining because I’ve called him on it. Typical minimum-wage loser. He has revealed that he doesn’t even know what the inside of a gym looks like; when I talked about women going to the gym, the retard immediately thought it meant women lifting weights. Anyone who has set foot in a gym knows women mostly do cardio, so Tilikum once again revealed his ignorance.
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Always lollin’ hard at every retard thinking they’re unique
If she’s hot, every other loser is willing to “buy her flowers” and fawn all over.
Evidently they are so beta and/or autistic they they never experience ugly girls giving IOIs and have no benefit of firsthand insight
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This overly romantic and sweet guy was trying to talk this girl she didn’t fuck into going to a trip to the mountains with him and she was complaining to a friend of mine, wondering what makes him think she would go with him just because he tells her sweet things. My friend told her that he won’t ask her to go to X(city in the mountains) then. Her reply: omg, I love X. Her reply ended with an in love emoticon(:X). I’m sure the sweet dude even planned the whole thing, maybe even bought the tickets. lol
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absolutely; this beta shit ONLY works if you’ve already established Alpha and you’re flat lying through your fuckin teeth!
If you are a romantic artist, you can buy flowers whenever and for whomever you want.
Like I told the guy on the last thread…if she’s into you, she will like the flowers. If she’s not, she won’t. Women ONLY like having flowers bought for them buy guys they like having buy them flowers. Yes, it’s CIRCULAR, just like a woman’s “thought” processes.
SNL did a skit on this long ago that everyone should watch- it’s the one where Tom Brady does things and a beta male does the SAME things and betaboy is “harassment” and Tom Brady is perfectly acceptable and welcome. The ultimate advice at the end of the “PSA” was “if you wanna do this shit, better look like Tom Brady.”
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One of my girls was telling me about a friend of hers. This friend recently flew 2 hours to go screw some dude she met online who turned out to be a total a-hole who didn’t give her the time of day otherwise. She came home wondering what happened. Then she meets another guy. Describes him as “a nice guy” and doesn’t know how to react to him. This is girlspeak for “no tingles”. Nice guy gets no pussy.
Funny to see them when they don’t understand themselves.
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who from the sight of them treat women like they’re museum artworks protected by lines of tape on the floor that one crosses under penalty of castration.
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think and re-think of what you just wrote. Hypergamy is dangerous to men if it is not constrained. Some of those men would be castrated if they crossed that tape.
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Nobody does it better:
http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Prince+Charles/HRH+Prince+Charles+Turns+60/uabFaY1xosc
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One can still go too far in the over confident department, as is keenly demonstrated in the this 1982 non-hit by Crazy Joe and The Variable Speed Band.
Crazy Joe is oddly reminiscent of the fella in the photo above.
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New FR – Just a brief note.
Went to a singles night at a local bar last night with a good wing. Good crowd (highly variable female quality though) and the place was thick with betas shorn of the usual approach anxiety supplicating to women left and right (so just hard to find any woman who wasn’t already in conversation with some loser).
Anyway, we had a blast. I wasn’t even trying to close as my schedule is full with online girls for now so I was just fucking around amusing myself and practicing being sexual.
Highlights:
-Started chatting to an attractive HB7 black girl and amping up the sexuality in the conversation. She was desperately trying to make it boring “so..what do you do for work?” and I kept dodging that..I didn’t even get that far – when I started talking about how the men in the bar were like lions hunting their prey and they were circling around her..she excused herself and left..
-Talking to an attractive college girl (HB8 at age 21 – probably will be a 7 at age 30) and my wing was really into her so I didn’t push it but I just messed around. Some loser started talking to her and her friend came and rescued her and I just laughed and told her she’d eye-coded her friend for help. Later on, some other loser was talking to her and I literally walked up to them, said excuse me and cut off the guy and stepped in front of her, grabbed her and whispered in her ear “you’re good at faking interest with guys but I can see through it” – she LOVED it.
-Another two-set at the bar – HB6s, both. Interrupted their convo and opened them (was a bit drunk – can’t even remember what I said) but what was interesting that even with some totally nonsense opener, based solely on my body language – one was totally uninterested and the other gave me a big inviting smile..
-My wing chatted up another HB6 and I was occupying her HB7 friend. Just for fun I got outrageous with her friend – talking about how I dated strippers and how I dated some crazy girls but the sex was hot etc. She was quite a conservative girl but you could see the attraction spike as she thought “Who is this guy??”. If I had put in even a few minutes of comfort and qualified her she would have been massively into me.
-Best set of the evening. I was being social and chatting to some beta guy at the bar. Two girls (HB7 21 year olds) come up and start chatting to him (think they’d been chatting before) and I didn’t hear all of the convo but within 2 minutes he was buying them both drinks. Then I start chatting to them. I can’t actually remember half of what I said (drinking is a killer) but my state was on a high and I genuinely gave no fucks what they thought. I was pretty much borderline insulting them and/or being sexual. At one point I pretended I didn’t hear what one girl said to the other and was like “Tits? Did you just talk about your tits? I’m interested now..come tell me”. She looked mock-offended and then I upped by getting right in her face and very obviously looking down her top at her tits – she mock slapped my hand away but loved it. The friend shit-tested me by saying “you should go only for girls your age” (I’m 34). I annihilated the shit test by totally ignoring it and teasing her about how she was holding her drink. Then she dragged the other girl away but not before the target asked me – twice – to come back and join their group.
I am also finally starting to “get” the thing about comfort. I had great attraction from like 90% of the women I spoke to. Admittedly I was just fucking around having fun and not really trying to close, but what was lackign wasn’t attraction – it was *comfort* – if I’d slowed down a little bit and spent ten minutes more with each of those girls qualifying them I’d have had a fuckload of numbers.
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What’s this qualifying thing?
When I did pickup as a teen decades ago, I was dropping panties within an hour of having met the girl. Phone nos. were a waste of time. Hence, I don’t have the same basis of understanding as a lot of men.
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that was the 60s when sex was free like that
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Not sure about where you live, but getting teenage girls into bed is far easier than getting 23 years old women into bed. Teenage girls, at least here, want to have fun and experience life. Which is why I’m into the whole game business – 17-22 years olds is what I want to continue screwing despite not being a student anymore.
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“Started chatting to an attractive HB7 black girl and amping up the sexuality in the conversation. She was desperately trying to make it boring “so..what do you do for work?” and I kept dodging that..I didn’t even get that far – when I started talking about how the men in the bar were like lions hunting their prey and they were circling around her..she excused herself and left..”
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These seem to work well to this type of shit test. 1) Throw out something incongruous to how you come off, I like “bean Farmer” said dead straight and stop talking and hold eye contact. So straight you can see the hamster churning. “really? you’re a bean farmer?” and you can hold it and go into the types of beans a bit more to tease her or just chuckle and laugh and say kidding, which breaks the tension and usually she will laugh at that point. Often get an arm punch.
2) at this point you can make her read you “What do you think I do, you tell me?” and you can again see the hamster churning. They don’t know if they should be funny (or if they can be) or they try to really come up with something but they have no idea what guys do (I am in finance and usually look like it) and say things like “something with money” or “lawyer” and you can play this off as well… to
3) if she says money related you go [playfully] “really, are you a goldigger or something [pause – eye contact – smile ] that’s the first thing that pops into your head isn’t it. Maybe I am teaching little kids or working with the poor or something the make the world a better place [best delivered with a smirk so you both know this is impossible], girls are so judgmental!”
if she says “lawyer” you can go with “do I look that boring to you or have you watched too much TV?, really that will hurt a guy” – again, best delivered with a devilish grin that it is soooo obvious you are not a boring guy.
Much better than merely evading. done well, if you light the spark by this time she is laughing, tingling and thinking who the hell is THIS guy?
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^ good stuff
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Good points dude. I will try next time.
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A scene from tonight…. for what t is worth. Not trying to pick up, just trying to get some food. Go to my local restaurant. I am there once or twice a week. I know all the owners, the managers (some of which (female) have serious eyes for me), the bartenders, the hostesses and the wait staff.
walk in, the hostess grabs me, she was at another bar not long ago working there, now is here. we catch up. Get to the bar to order food. 7 and a 4 at the bar, both eyeing me from approach till i round them to settle next to the 7. Their heads swivel on me as I go around them to be seated. The 7 is giving me major eyes. I take my position, standing, not seated, ignore them both and order some food to go.
have a beer, listen to them BS with each other and smile to myself at the game unfolding. The 4 is captivated and pissed off, at me and the 7, because she knows how this is going to end. The 7 is glancing over every 5 minutes, but I am just taking up space, erect. arms shoulder width apart hands on the bar. Drinking my beer. The female manager comes over and chats me up, then a few of the wait staff. Hail hardy good fellow. I don’t glance at the 7 next to me.
Finish round one, start round two, the food comes. To go. crunch time. The 7 opens me, extends her hand and gives me her name. At this point i reciprocate, holding on to her hand as I say my name. Takes a little while. she is drilling me with her eyes. I make a point to acknowledge the 4 and shake her hand for a moment. The 7 knows me from the hood and starts telling me about people we now in common. Mentions several times her husband is out of town.
we chat a bit. I ask her if she is an artist because she really looks like an artist I met not long ago. She says no she is not, but that the artist must be “really cute”, i neg her and say how modest of her. She eats it up. More talk more eye fucking. My order is ready. I bid them goodbye. The 7 is practically salivating at this point. I give her a knowing wink. See you around.
exit. end scene.
Point is, when you see the eyes, it’s game on. Up to you at that point. I’m married not looking to pick up, but push the interactions. It is really very easy with a rudimentary understanding of game.
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@Sentient. I re-opened the theatre student I’d been gaming who went cold.
Went like this with my analysis:
Me: Yo…how’s crazy esmerelda (her part in her upcoming production)
Her: Today not good. Too tired. (shit test looking for sympathy and validation)
Me: (ignoring) just back to the bat cave. Scotch ( I then send a photo of my drink. It’s a way of bringing her in to my world with instant rapport by text)
Her: thumbs up icons. I need sleep. (Again trying to elicit sympathy or a response)
Me: Zombie. Join me Sunday. (I send the invite to an event I’m djing)
Me: I’m running it
Her: I have a family diner. maybe come late. What’s the end time?
Me: Midnite. We’ll go for drinks after at champs (already making it clear that I’m isolating her after my party which she’ll help me close)
Her: OK
Me: cu then
Her: Blowing kiss icon
Me: Cool guy in sunglasses icon.
We’ll see if she flakes. But if she does it’s the end for this.
Second case….crazy ex gf comes out to party I’m at. She’s all dressed up for a visitor who I also know. All night she’s staring at me to invite her to dance. I make eye contact, then break eye contact and realize I make a face where I raise my eye brows and cock my head in amused mastery. It’s unconscious and I usually do that naturally when I see something odd, funny or in reaction to something stupid.
Third case. Girl I banged for a few months at end of last year opens me:
Her: Miss me?
Me: Misbehave.
This is a girl fishing for validation and gets a reframe.
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Wala – you seem to require a high emotional investment, at least on your part. That is cool if you can deal with it. I used to be like that. Subconsciously it’s more validation seeking though. Now I am compartmentalized.
On the student – what’s up with her. Your text string reads liek boyfriend game. Since this is probably blown anyway, why not try and get it sexual with her before the party. when she starts with the sleepy stuff, move to so you are laying down etc. and hit her with some sexy escalation and shoot for a pic. she needs a real test. If nothing delete her number.
On the ex, walk over to her, hopefully with people around and ask her if she wants to dance, when she says yes and starts to get up, say I bet you do. Then smile and slap her ass. Go mix with the girls. You need to either get her totally out of your head or just start banging her for fun.
last one – Miss me?
You: Yeah. Who is this?
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@Sentient Good insights. I’m of two minds on all this. In the case of the ones I am compartamentalized–ie don’t give a shit—I do great. I understand what to say and do and if there’s some minor sloppiness I don’t really care.
Then the ones where the is or was some emotional investment….it’s sloppy or over-thought out or outcome dependent.
That for me is my game “blind-spot”. Fortunately those incidents are now the exceptions or asterisks in my game.
How do you compartamentalize or avoid over-investment…
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@wala
“How do you compartamentalize or avoid over-investment…
here’s kind of an esoteric example, but it’s one i always think about when dealing with “recurring impermanence”…lol… there was a King of the Hill episode where Luanne wants to become a barber, Bill gives her some advice…(paraphrased) “…could be the perfect cut…it’s gonna grow out…worst cut…it’s gonna grow out…you can’t change that, just accept it…” apply this idea to girls…lol…
she could have the ‘perfect emotion’ (happy, sexy, sad, etc)…it’s gonna change…she could have the worst emotion…it’s gonna change…lol…nothing YOU can do about that…it just IS, just accept it…like the sun coming up in the morning…all you can do is manage YOUR shit…not hers…so, don’t take it personally…like YaReally says…’they’re just silly girls’…
sooo…just do what you want…see a hot girl, approach her…she gets mad and blows you off? big deal…lol…a different day, she could have been all over you…lol…you just never know…and neither does SHE…until it happens…lol…and that’s the point…SHE doesn’t know until it happens…so why wouldn’t you try?…
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@walawala the issue with being “compartmentalized” is really your own headspace. Just realize that this over investment emotionally is just a form of validation seeking on your part. My path was just to cut it out and realize as HABD says, everything is temporal. Girls are like the weather, sunny, cloudy, rainy, snow etc…. it really has nothing to do with you. They are driven by hormonal surges that get interpreted as emotion. There is not an ounce of logic or forethought in their systems. so the dark back story of game is you can hit the right notes but it takes the girl who is in the right hormonal/emotional feeling state to react to it. You are the same.
How do I know? Well when you are in a LTR of more than two decades this shit gets easy to parse out. You know you are basically the same day to day, as most men are. But your girl or girls (whoever) is really a cloud.
You ever stare at a cloud? fuck it changes right there before your eyes but so slowly you don’t quite grasp it. That is how women are. Clouds. But for a moment (i.e. why you can spike mad attraction in a total strange rin 5 fucking minutes). What fucks you up is sometimes those changes are so slow a few months slip by. But they are always in transition due to the 28 day lunar cycle.
So realize this, and realize your worth, your game is truly independent of their state at the moment. Because that is what it is with them, everything is of the moment. Sometimes those moments are minutes, sometimes weeks. but it is all in flux.
Realize it is not about you. A woman can never validate you. Only you can validate you. get comfortable with that concept and you will then realize ALL women are fungible. The one you are talking to now doesn’t want to fuck you… just move on to another. the clouds are always shape shifting and impermanent.
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@HABD, Sentient. Great posts.
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so @wala what happened with the theater chick?
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“Noticed how in Hollywood land, people hardly ever strain to hear what the other is saying.”
Yeah, background audio in films is unrealistically soft. A classic is the Matrix scene where Neo and Trinity first meet. The metal music is blaring, then when Neo is shown a bit away from the action, it’s soft enough for he and Trinity to speak in normal voices, and four or five feet apart at that.
And Reeves in Point Break, talking in freefall, heh. Stick your head out a car window at 55 MPH, then double the noise. If you scream directly into someone’s ear, they *might* understand you.
Of course it’s time-tested, that’s what film audiences want. Nothing much about movies is realistic, so why should the sound be?
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1 definition taught in film schools is: Acting – real emotions in fake circumstances.
So, if you want to learn about relations at emotional level, you can do it even from a film with wizards and spaceships in it.
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If the noise is really loud, that’s a great reason to relocate the woman outside to talk. If you just met, lean against the wall with her near the entrance and talk. Build some comfort, sexualize a little, take her for a walk. Start arm in arm, then switch to holding hands, then take her around the waist, etc.
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Not always possible and largely depends on the location/layout of the bar and the weather outside. Most bars/clubs don’t seem to bother having a quieter area.
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The Next Big Thing (if you’re Chinese) in Sex Tourism:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/Africa-Monitor/2014/0904/Mugabe-is-bailed-out-by-Beijing.-But-too-little-too-late-for-Zimbabwe-video
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An amusing documentary The Colossi of Love, is a documentary that highlights the halcyon days of the kamaki (Greek for harpoon) suitors in the 70s and 80s when droves of women from mainly Scandinavia, Germany and Britain flocked to the Greek islands.
http://dotsub.com/view/a6817e03-92ed-411b-b797-75625f394a42
Subtitled.
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My country was a recipient of Scandinavian and German women too in the 70s and early 80s. Too bad now the tourism industry here is in shambles, so no more pretty foreign girls. I’m sure my father fit right in though.
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CH, you forgot to draw some blue balls on that picture, lol
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Thx for that A. Garcia video, that line “are you in love?” is great way to quickly cut the bullshit and convey interest in a cool/non needy way.
As for body languge in general, the easiest rule to remember is Tyler’s “trying to be less awkward makes it more akward” which basically means that trying to break the ice by weaseling in like sleazy little snake is the worst way to do it. Catching attention and owning your intentions is the way. Which goes hand in hand with “be as direct as you can get away with” rule. It doesn’t guarantee success of couse but it guarantees girls feeling comfortable with you.
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What’s amazing about body language is how it mirrors your mental state and vice versa. Whenever I go and grin in the mirror or do silly poses that do reflect a mental state, I sort of get that mental state too, more or less.
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Well, you draw good circles, CH.
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OK gamesters… more homework. Bring your best openers… Here is the girl, chill lounge, center city, not too loud, but vibrant. Jacked hedge fund types looming about. Say 10PM on a weeknight.
What’s the game?
PS – what happened to @yareally ? Miss his commentary.
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Apocalypse open that shit
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OK – edit. what I meant by “best opener” is best chance of success.
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Walk up and study her face a while without saying anything, and then ask: “do you have any black in you?”
No matter what her response ask ; “what country you from?”
Now you have a solid foundation for a personal relationship with her.
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@thwack you raise a good point, not sure if it is intended or not, but still good. women like to be told they look “fill in the blank” exotic, foreign, etc. Once I was in a city and converged on a corner the same time as a solid 7. she was headed north I was headed east and then going north. Our eyes met as we converged, but there were lot’s of foreigners around so I assumed she didn’t speak english. anyway we were headed in the same direction for 3 or 4 blocks, walking next to each other. at a light, she opens me “I like your shirt”, I turned to her and said “oh, I didn’t think you spoke english, you look foreign”. Instant big eyes…
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Sentient
@thwack you raise a good point, not sure if it is intended or not, but still good. women like to be told they look “fill in the blank” exotic, foreign, etc
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Unintentional; but I see your point and its a good one. Mine was a form of ambiguous game. Most people are too weak to tell the truth and instead prefer to tell people what they think they want to hear. In this case, since she can’t be sure what you want to hear, she will use it as an excuse to tell you about her “Native American ancestry”
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“So, tell me, are you dropping the net tonight, or just casting a single hook?”
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Now that I see this, I don’t like it. Pigeon holes her.
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“Waiting for someone?”
“Am I now part of a sociology experiment?”
“Attractive women never do anything by themselves, so what’s going on here?”
“I see that you smoke cigarettes. Is that because you think you’re fat? Because you’re not. You could be smoking non-medical marijuana back at my house. But you got to bring your own because I don’t have any and I’ve never smoked it before, so you’ll have to show me how.”
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First, too lame.
Second, never focus on you, always on her.
Third, you validated her looks (bad) and suggested she may be a slut. Turn off.
Four, too bold for an opener for such an HB. Something that could be said later as rapport develops.
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“You validated her looks (bad)”
Nah, slits like to be complimented. Just compliment in a direct, matter-of-fact manner and they lap it up; i.e., don’t get gushy or starstruck about it — blech. And it in no way gives her power — if she thinks it does, just remind her there’s about 3.8 billion terabytes of pr0n spread across the interwebs in every shape, every size, every ethnicity, and it does satisfy, it does quench the loins.
[CH: it’s a rule of thumb among players not to compliment a girl on her looks for a good reason: it generally fails.]
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For number 2, you could say “how’s the sociology experiment going?” which gets to the same point, but flips the script to her. When she expresses puzzlement, your response back might be, “You know…spaghetti straps.” Again, not about her looks, but about her APPEARANCE which women are very sensitive to.
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And actually, if you’re daring, once you mention the straps you can gently go over and grab them between the index finger and thumb, lightly brushing her. That may be too aggressive a kino move so early, but if it works and she doesn’t recoil, you are way ahead in the interaction.
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Love, love, LOVE the _Napoleon Dynamite_ reference. Whether that will further your chances with this woman…. …. …. that’s a different question.
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“Tell me, have you ever wondered about the source of the word ‘cocktail”? Or even more interesting’ — look up and down, then smirk “–the ‘cocktail’ dress?”
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now we are getting somewhere… this is a good opener because it makes her question what you said then allows her to release the tension with a little laugh, she probably won’t even know why she laughed… but from here it is easy to move to more conversation, introductions etc. Good stuff.
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She looks like one of my cousins. Would bang.
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“You look like one of my cousins. Would bang.”
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@sentient
ok, i’ll play…lol…
do the analysis first…single girl out alone, drink hardly touched, dressed ‘sexy’ comfortable (not business attire,so she changed before going out) = hind brain wants to get laid = SNL if you can get her hamster to be your friend…lol…(or she’s a hooker…lol)
there is no ‘friend’ to focus on first, but understanding the reasons behind that tactic (feigned disinterest in the target, so she lowers her bitch shield and starts to qualify herself to you) you create feigned disinterest by ‘universal dismissal’ while still engaging her…
basic approach = your attitude = you are the best man in the place but you don’t want her (already having hotter girls in your line up…lol), so you can point out the other ‘alphas’ in the bar and urge her to go and talk to them (while DHV yourself with stories, riffing off the other guys there)…when she starts qualifying to you, at some point you start the escalation ladder (after she ‘impressed’ you enough…lol) then bounce to another venue (if needed), then back to your/her place…
specific approach = walk up (square) to the bar next to her (slightly in her space) to get a drink, turn just your head towards her, meet her gaze and slowly take in her eyes (and the surrounding ‘wrinkles’…lol), mouth, neck, dress…(no smiling, just try to find all of her physical flaws…lol…and think about what you would change to make her perfect for you…lol)
“you working tonight?” (mistaking her for a hooker…lol…assuming she’s not…lol)
“What? NO!”
“hmm, looking for love, then…well, almost every guy here would love to have a shot with you…” [look around the room for the biggest chode] “how about that guy?” [indicating him] “he’s probably a really nice guy. you could just walk up to him and introduce yourself. i’m sure he wouldn’t mind.”
[she’ll decline…]
“we could go over and i could introduce you to him. i’m sure he’d absolutely loove to even meet you…”
[she’ll decline…]
[then tell a story…]
“i’ve done that before…helped girls out… it’s fun…one time, i set up one of my ex’s like that. she had taken me out for my birthday or something… she had just broken up with another guy. none of her past boyfriends were nice enough to her… including me, i’m afraid… so, we were out at this bar and her and her friends were buying me shots, and i just told her, ‘you need a really nice guy…’ so, i looked around the room and picked a guy just like that guy [indicating the chode], she wouldn’t go over to him either, so i went over, introduced myself and brought him back to our table. he was thrilled to meet her…they dated for a while, but it turned out he was too nice…i could go and bring him over here for you…”
[she’ll decline that offer]
“hmm, so, tell me something about yourself. it’ll help us focus in on your type of guy…”
[and off you go…lol…escalate up through the various guys in the bar…all with the attitude that they would love to even meet her, much less have a shot with her…lol…]
if you need a neg for her…’i usually don’t like girls that can’t accessorize, but you seem to be able to pull off that naked look…’ (while staring into her eyes and smirking…)
at some point during this process, while you are escalating kino (and disqualifying yourself), she’ll figure out that you are actually playing with her and that your SMV is so high, and that your social savviness is so great that you can do that…lol…when you spot that reaction, just say “let’s go” and take her home…lol…
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@HABD great stuff, appreciate your input and elevating the comments beyond all the shut in retards!. Like the thing about pointing out other guys to set her up with LOL automatically sets you up as the highest value guy.
One thing – the scene could also be set up perfectly for her meeting either a) her friends or b) another dude. How would you roll with either of those responses from her…?
The “working” line is good, I have used that in the past, precisely because these types of enviro’s are often inhabited by actual high end escorts (who can be a lot of fun to talk to BTW and your talking with really beautiful women raises your pre-selection – which your approach does quite well also btw even if you got blown out you have a long flirty conversation that all the other girls see). Last time I used it in LA on two girls (who were obviously not escorts) one got really pissed and some white knight I knew from business got involved and ruined it before I could turn things around… some guys don’t get it.
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@sentient
meeting her friends…
[your eyes light up, smirking] ‘are they hot?…or just kind of cute…’ (implying ‘like you’)…lol…[looking around the room] ‘we can probably find guys for them, too…even if they’re fat…’…lol… then change the subject back to her…if you want to wait and size up the friends for possible ‘upgrades’… lol…(but you can get them later in social circle game…lol) or for socializing practice…lol…but i’d probably try to bounce her once that came up to avoid the potential cock block effect…and given her hind brain seeing you as highest SMV in the place, her hamster will be your friend and tell her it’s a great idea…lol…
you can also probe her reasons for meeting them, maybe she feels an obligation and doesn’t really want to meet up and would love an excuse to leave before they get there…and again her hamster is going to tell her it’s a great idea…you just have to suggest it…(put the blame on you…’you can tell them i made you leave…lol’ note – it doesn’t have to make sense…lol…you just have to make it not her fault…)
…or point out how her waiting for them is disrespectful of her and that if she waits for them she’ll lose social standing in the group (this is the same as a guy waiting on a girl and she’ll recognize its truth as well as a DHV for you…)…easy enough to get her to bounce…’i know this cool lounge just down the street…we can keep looking for your dream guy there…lol…come on…’ [grab her hand and go…]
meeting another dude…
‘new’ date = just add him into the rest of the guys at the bar…lol…’cool, i can even stay to make sure you guys hit it off…’…lol…then offer up that it’s the same as waiting for her friends = bounce to new venue…her hamster will take your ‘proven’ SMV over the possibility of the new guy being another chode…lol…
bf = (analysis – if she (her hind brain/hamster) was happy with the bf, and wasn’t looking for an alpha ‘upgrade’, she wouldn’t have been waiting at the bar with a drink, she would have been waiting in the entryway by the coat room…lol…)
sooo…’i wonder why he’s late? he’s usually waiting for you…’ (notice the jedi mind trick here…lol) ‘i’m sure he thinks you’re great…how about that guy over there?…he looks like the kind of guy to buy you flowers…and candy…you like getting flowers and candy, right?…you could totally get that guy…’ ‘…you know [like you just thought of it] we really shouldn’t wait for him to get here…we should just call him from [that other lounge] it’s just down the street. That way, you can get him jealous for standing you up and making you wait…and we’ll keep looking for your dream guy on our way over there…’ [grab her hand and go]…she should go with you…she just needs an excuse…lol…then, once you’re at the new lounge, just pretend she doesn’t have a bf…she won’t bring it up again unless it’s as a LMR gambit…lol…then when bf calls to find out where she is… [you just shake your head] ‘…so needy…’ …lol…
she’ll ask you whether she should answer it…this is a shit test, and you pass by saying nothing…[just smirk at her and go in for the kiss…] …lol…she won’t answer his call…
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solid stuff – threadwinner…!
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“The best thing here is the tater tots. You gotta try the tots. I had a tater tot one time at Buffalo Wild Wings that had so much seasoning on it that I almost had an asthma attack and passed out. When I was there, I told the waitress that they need to show more competitive dart competitions and bowling on their TVs, and she asked if I was really interested in bowling. I sheepishly admitted to her that, okay, I don’t really like to watch bowling, but I had just come from the bowling alley so I was thinking about bowling and that’s why I said that I like to watch bowling. She nodded. The wings at Buffalo Wild Wings are pretty tasty, not heavily seasoned. But watch out for the tots.”
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Does this work for you? serious question. seems really uncalibrated and weird. what response you hoping to get from her with this?
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Damns yeah, it works for me. It amuses me, and that’s all that matters. I have 3.8 billion terabytes of pr0n waiting for me back in the masturbatorium, so I hardly care how slits respond to me.
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I see… next!
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1) If you like heavy sexuality: Approach obliquely with a deadpan face. Get close, parallel, your right shoulder facing her right shoulder. Touch her shoulder briefly with your left hand. Whisper in her ear, “You look like you need a man who can tickle your a$$ properly.” Assume a cocky grin as she looks at you incredulously. “Later.” Then walk away. Set up a few other sets, then reapproach.
2) If you like rapport: Approach obliquely with a deadpan face not looking directly at her or facing her. Stop about five feet away, turn and look at her for a few secs, then assume a smile of amused mastery. If she smiles a little and doesn’t look at you, approach her, facing her, then tap her shoulder. Say, “You look like you’re ready to discuss the philosophy of sex. What’s your position?” Then chat her up.
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I like 2, that’s a good line. Ever tried this, when a girl introduces herself [I rarely introduce myself first] and she extends her hand for you to shake, just be all businesslike but extend only your pointer. Always gets a laugh or even if she rebukes you, can neg her with being a prude etc. Had a girl give my finger a handy… was pretty funny.
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1 only works if she’s smashed and it’s late or you’re Tom Brady.
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“Ever tried this, when a girl introduces herself [I rarely introduce myself first] and she extends her hand for you to shake, just be all businesslike but extend only your pointer.”
No. When she extends her hand for you to shake, you take her hand, gaze into her eyes, then pull her hand toward your face and/or lean forward to her hand, hold eye contact the whole time, and kiss the back of her hand. Makes them giggle and blush every time. If she pulls her hand away in disgust, then who needs that coldfish bish? Remind her: 3.8 billion terabytes of pr9n waiting for ya back at the ol’ masturbatorium.
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I guess that always works on your Mom, right…
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no girl at this status level goes into a club alone…just doesn’t happen.
Every single opener or whatever above is doomed to fail; she’s heard all of this shit before and you don’t have the balls to deliver it.
Girls in da club *automatically* assume all guys there are shit. That doesn’t mean you can’t get somewhere, but be aware of this presumption.
My ex wife was hot like this, I picked her up with “so, you wanna go to lunch?” Lame? No, because it didn’t matter- she was into me, I read her eyes and just went directly for what I wanted. She razzed me about that for years, just the audacity and inelegance of it. This was a girl who actually one time Jay Leno was on Mass Ave and he stopped his limo to holler at her. I was giving her a hug as she dropped me off at my shit job and Leno rolled up in his limo, rolled down the window and was like “where can I get one of those.” Shit you not. She was myopic and didn’t even know who it was.
The ONLY approach with any probability of success is boldness above and beyond the call of duty and don’t look like a troll. The problem is, given the context of the question, “jacked hedge fund types,” you already have bold guys with pockets of coke and egos the size of pluto doing the same thing.
What I would probably do is set up rather closer to her than space justified and see if she moved. If not, say wsup and go from there. But I would order my drink first and read her body language.
Women aren’t going to listen to a fkin thing you say, gentlemen; they are emotional and empathic creatures. They are going to read how you act, how you carry, and what you FEEL. Affect matters more than words.
One thing I can use to illustrate this was this travel show I saw a long time ago, where this Italian guy was showing the hostess chick around some city in Italy, maybe venice or rome or wherever. She could *literally* not understand a SINGLE word he said because she spoke no Italian and he spoke no English. But she was so effing into him by the end of the program, it was utterly remarkable. She was holding his face and puckering up because she was swept off her feet by the sheer power of his emotion and the zest he demonstrated doing all those dopey italianish romantic gestures, running up and jumping on park benches and singing like in old musicals, grabbing her hand to lead her to adventure and excitement.
Yet at no point did he say a single thing she could understand; it was 100% gibberish from her perspective…but her eyes were screaming fuck me. Affect and internal state matter more than words.
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trav, you have a lot of great points here.
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“no girl at this status level goes into a club alone…just doesn’t happen.”
Thread winner. Even if a hottie like this walks in solo, you can bet that within five minutes her man will come in after her, or at least her girlfriend(s).
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“If not, say wsup and go from there.”
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What do you mean by go from there… Would you not then use ANY words because “she’s heard all of this shit before” and “Women aren’t going to listen to a fkin thing you say” ????? Just mime to her.
Maybe that’s a thing – mime game…
http://yysource.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/tn757238_429long1.jpeg?9d7bd4
Trav you come off with a lot of bluster…
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“no girl at this status level goes into a club alone…just doesn’t happen”
Probably true, but we were given a challenge in this thread, and some decided to take it up.
In the real world, you APPROACH. If a woman looks at you directly and smiles, that demands one kind of approach. If she is sitting alone at a bar, and maybe (or maybe not) waiting for another guy, and not giving eye contact, you go for another.
It is about what works given the situation. As for me, I am always myself — I try to be clever, with double entendre if applcable, with the best smirk and twinkle in my eye can manage. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
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trav777
no girl at this status level goes into a club alone…just doesn’t happen.
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except for one.
Sit at an angle across the bar from her and mouth this phrase at her “Where __ ____ ____?”
The 2nd time she gives you a confused look, walk up to her with your drink, nervously look from side to side and ask “Where is your pimp?”
Now you have a solid foundation for a personal relationship with her.
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@sentient- I meant I do not use canned lines, I do not use any of this goobledygook. I say wsup and I read her reaction. A warm reaction gets one type of response, a cold one another. I might tell her nice shoes while looking her dead in the eyes. Just something borderline retarded like that, where I put her in WTF?!? state. I WANT her to be asking herself “who the fuck does this guy think he is,” I want to push her buttons, I want to her to find out the answer.
Do you people play poker? You read the ODDS and the PLAYERS. How you throw your chips doesn’t matter.
Dude, I have pulled 10s cold- I can’t remember what I say and more often than not, they tease me about the sheer inelegance and NONsmoothness of the “lines.” Maybe I am better looking than I think I am, who the eff knows?
As I explained before- read the girl, use emotion. You should know the odds and the probable move the player is making before you put your chips in. Half of the battle with girls is just putting in the ante. Make the move, ANY move. Better to fail boldly than never get in the game.
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Trav, first personally I am always questioning the advice of guys who claim to pull 10’s, not 8’s, not 9’s but 10’s…. especially when “have coke” is a core part of their advice. Just my nature. But good on you mate.
Second, the fascinating part of game is that it largely repeatable. It’s not using “canned lines” but it is understanding the patterns you will see over and over in interactions and understanding the most efficient way to navigate these interactions to a common conclusion. Field reports and hypothetical scenarios are just a means of conveying knowledge, learning, and personally for me, steering the discussion away from the retards and shut ins on this site toward something actually useful.
And even your “wsup” would fit your definition of a “canned line”.
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I’d wait for eye contact and a smile. Walk up and say ‘hi’. Then politely ask her if she wants to engage in coitus. I am just that good.
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You assume she would make eye contact…
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You can always force eye contact by standing there and staring her down.
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@blackdar It’s good shut ins get access to computers. You go boy!
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I’d probably do my favorite trick. I’d find a 4 nearby and open her. I’d get said 4 all pumped up over me and let this woman entertain herself watching the whole thing. Once the 4 needs the bathroom or whatever I’d let this one open me.
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Did this in an airport bar recently. Sat next to a 9, said a few small things with no real response from her. Then a 6 came up and sat next to me. She made a scene at the bar when she had to run for her flight, demanded to get my business card and left her fancy pen behind so she could scribble her personal info down for me. As soon as she was gone the 9 invited herself to dinner with me. After our flight landed I drove her to her hotel.
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@Sentient/CH It’s a general rule not to compliment a girl directly. Last night at a party I met an attractive mixed race girl. I opened her by saying: “you look like Audrey Hepburn.” I could see her hamster spinning. “Really??? The actress? But she’s so beautiful, which part? My face?” Me: “Your eyes…”
I took it from there. Turns out she was married but I danced with her, she was giving me major IOI’s and returned to her table and most certainly told the girls there what a dude I am…
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This was some good stuff. I would probably go with either a pretty direct one,
saunter up to bar, spread arms a bit wider than shoulder width, palms down on bar. Turn my head to her, but keep body facing bar, give her a once over full body look, quick look at the face, then to feet and slowly back up to her eyes, only my eyes smiling. Then a “looks delicious”, pause, whether or not she reacts gesture to her drink . “the drink” pause “looks delicious. what is it”, she will say something. then turn to her full body with eye contact and hold out my right hand, “give me a taste”, a bit more playfully. If she gives me the drink, well this is the start of something. if she doesn’t I can revert to something playful like “oh issues with sharing huh, this is going to be a problem between us then, don’t think it’s going to work out.” very, very playfully…
Or something more playful and knowing.
Saunter up to bar, just give her a a brief glance, square up to bar and catch bar tender and order a drink. Then with same posture as above offhandedly turn my head to her, but not body and say “this is the part where we make small talk and pretend this mad attraction between us isn’t really happening”, she laughs it’s on to banter about her night, venue, last night etc. She acts stiff, goof on her a bit, light negs… “oh come on, that was pretty good, what’s your day job undertaker”. But playful not butt hurt at all.
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“You like those bar nuts? The ones that get caught in your teeth?”
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“it’s chilly in these bars you know…looks like you forgot your sweater.”
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Then you rub her vigorously from her pointy shoulders down to her pointy elbows, up and down, all the time saying “Gotta get you warmed up, gotta get your warmed up!” mother-hen style. Kino FTW.
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“I like girls who put their elbows on the table, but my mom hates it.”
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Like this one
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Thanks. One opening pattern I follow is “Tease…and force qualification.”
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Just watched some video footage of myself I recorded a couple weeks ago, with audio. My body language and voice tonality is TERRIBLE.
I’m getting this handled NOW. Oscillating voice tonality, closed body space, leaning in, reacting more than the girls…
Wow. Talk about a wakeup call.
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@ Culum
just hard to find any woman who wasn’t already in conversation with some loser
I asked a woman I know to dance who was talking with a man. She thanked me for rescuing her from the convo.
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@theasdgamer – Heh. Yeah. I did something similar with one of the girls above and it went well. Honestly, I just felt bad for messing with some of the guys though..this is probably one of the few times a year they actually get to talk to some real women..
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“Pecking”: You lean in to talk.
It’s okay to lean in to listen.
But when you speak lean back.
It’s the opposite of your natural impulse
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[…] I see this a lot in clubs and bars where noise is a problem, but also in quieter venues where the only problem is the beta male doing it wrong. The horrible combination sideways lean-in + side-of-mouth talking + craning neck. […]
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If the root of all humor is truth, then this one is a redwood.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/european-men-are-so-much-more-romantic-than-americ,11552/
Shorthand: “nice” is just a girl’s polite way of saying, “he makes my vagina as dry as a bucket of sand.”
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Obama lean-in :
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opener for that bar chick (it doesn’t really matter, what actually matters is overall vibe and the follow through but oh well. as long as i start talking without expecting her to carry it on for me it goes well)
– my friends disappeared too and here we are all alone, let’s have our own little loser party together, you buy first round i promise i won’t take advantage of that and leave, i’m gentleman
– you look to good to be here all alone, what’s the catch?
– is that your bodyguard? (point at that dude in black clothes behind her) i want to know what i’m getting myself into
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