Commenter Rick250 uses a parable to illuminate the aesthetic and practical appeal of the Heartistian ideology of poolsideism.
Theres a certain zen aspect to poolside…
Pursued by a tiger, you scramble off the edge of a 60′ cliff managing to find a couple of vines to hold you from falling. Looking down, you see another tiger hungrily waiting below.
You notice that the vines you hold are slowly being uprooted. Its only a matter of time before you fall, though, you have done, and are doing, everything in your power to find a way out of this.
Beside you, you notice a ripe wild strawberry growing within reach. You pick it and temporarily slip away into a blissful state, thinking it to be as ripe and perfect as a strawberry could taste.Characters in this parable:
You: A redpill alpha male
Tiger 1: Western society and its decay
Tiger 2: The Hivemind
The strawberry: A beautiful, feminine, sweet womanThe machete you forgot is tied to your back: Teachings, as found here at the Chateau
There is a fatalist inevitability inherent to the poolside philosophy, though in practice one can be poolside as a bright future crests or as a dark age descends.
“But what about your posterity?!”, exclaim the anti-poolside-ists. “Don’t you want to leave them with a chance to live in a civilized homeland?”
I get the impulse. But, thinking about it, when poolside time is up, there’s no wistful looking back at descendants frolicking in the limpid waters you left behind. You are obliterated, you and all your memories, your senses and hopes, to the infinite nothingness. The fortunes of your heirs will only matter to you when you’re alive, and at death the comfort derived from safeguarding your posterity will vanish just as completely as your poolside time.
I suppose it’s a lucky thing for the propagation of civilized humanity that few people think so logically about their mortality. How could this grandest of self-deceptions evolve? It makes one wonder if, perhaps, there is a hidden hand shaping the spirit of man.
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OK, I’m drunk as shit. I was just checking, if my sites went down. I gave this same parable to an Israeli chick (seemed an 11 to me, probably a 7) in Korea. OK, not Korean, so five.
She was a hostess girl in Tokyo. Exhausted from the intrerrogation.I was the betaist fucktard whoever–I cared about an Israeli chick in fucking Seoul.
I took care of her, and coddled her, and even bought her strawberries.
No, we didn’t hook up. I was only beta ‘cuz I’d recently graduated from gamma.
I was that much.
/At least, I wasn’t a beta in Japan a year later.
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No wonder you live in DC
[CH: i don’t live in dc]
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The naggers man, the naggers….
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The “hidden hand” you speak of isn’t a creature that uses magic, but evolution. Obviously those who did not care about future generations did little for them, and so their offspring had much less chance of survival. The ones who cared about what happens to others, not just in the here and now but in the future, did more for their offspring, which means their behavior genes came to dominate.
I suppose it’s a lucky thing for the propagation of civilized humanity that few people think so logically about their mortality.
You mean selfishly. People know they won’t be around to see all their descendants grow up thanks to their efforts, but they don’t do it for that reason, but because of the aforementioned instinct.
Speaking about that for a moment, though I know it’s not the main point of the post, but the “logic” issue comes up now and then:
The word logic is often misused. Leftists, especially low-level ones like teachers in grade school or feminists, will often deride “cold logic” – when what they really mean is the ability to see how leftist feel-good policy ruins the economy and well-being of all in the long run, for the sake of a supposed benefit in the short run. Spock in Star Trek talked about being “logical” when what he actually meant was efficiency. And so forth.
Logic is simply to know cause and effect, to know patterns. It doesn’t argue for a specific action, it is not a belief or an ideology. If a fox is following a rabbit down a path and comes to a fork in the road where one way is blocked, and it can only go on the paths, logically the rabbit must have gone the other way. This is a basic form of logic that even animals are capable of.
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Poolside-ism sounds very similar to Existentialism, especially it’s concept of perseverance (eating that strawberry) in the face of the Absurd (two lions, the cliff, loosening vines.) The movie “The Matrix” – the very source of Red Pill vs. Blue Pill – was greatly informed by existentialism, by the way. By contrast MGTOW seems more like the despair of Nihilism.
And the “hidden hand” you speak of can be fully understood via evolutionary psychology. Prior to the invention of modern birth control, even if *many* people had thought that rationally about their own mortality, the only way to avoid making babies was lifelong celibacy – something our evolution-shaped sex drive would make quite difficult for any significant number of people to achieve. Perhaps the decline of birth rates to below replacement level in many Western countries after the easy availability of contraception is evidence that this kind of “mortality rationality” is more widespread than we realize? Also remember that for the bulk of human history, having kids was a very rational way for people to survive & thrive during adulthood (more hands to help gather, hunt, grow the crops, tend the herd, etc) and ensure they were taken care of in their old age.
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There is, of course, a guiding hand. I just have to hope its owner has a sense of humor. Personally, I try to get around the issue of impending oblivion by writing invitations to my own funeral (date to be announced).
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The beauty of creation through courage is the work of men.
Being beautiful and humble is the duty of women.
@CH Your newest posts struck me as more sensitive and timeless. The creation of something beautiful is our duty as men.
To often a nihilistic approach to the world destroys the soul of our fellow men. The greatest risk of the red pill and the unexpressed fear of the naive blue pillers is to loose the illusion of beauty in this world.
But only after one saw behind the curtain, he can see the beauty that wants to express itself in his soul. This needs courage!
Beauty (grace) in the face of danger parts the hero from the ordinary warrior.
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Beauty is not an illusion. By understanding reality in its truest form, one can still find subjective goodness in it with eyes wide open. Your post is masterfully written.
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There is a certain zen to letting go when it’s time to let go. Jesus said “Thy will be done” and accepted what comes. Mel Gibson’s “Passion” depicted him daydreaming, while tortured, about happy childhood moments or lighter times with the apostles. That’s like savoring that strawberry as you slip down toward the tiger.
We also did our letting go. To me, ‘poolside’ is reflected by letting go of the rot, which includes the institutions we once held on to: the party, the state, the church in their present unredeemable form.
Wisdom comes with knowing when to let go, and when to recall Robert Frost’s “miles to go before I sleep.”
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“Letting go” could well be the definition of ZEN
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Yes. And, ironically, this is the opposite of the hivemind (“Frozen”) ethos “Let it go”.
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Guess that’s why so many are letting themselves go…eesh!
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Jesus said “Thy will be done” and accepted what comes. Mel Gibson’s “Passion” depicted him daydreaming, while tortured, about happy childhood moments or lighter times with the apostles.
Isn’t that character supposed to be the most powerful creature in the entire universe, the very creature that created pain and everything else around it? So he didn’t actually die and he knew he wasn’t going to die, since trinity etc. According to that mythology he had lived forever and was about to continue living forever, and no torture could bother him in the least, not even tickle him, as it was his own creation.
Of course, that’s the later explanation, that the god is all-powerful. That’s what happens with a belief when no one is allowed to reign in the ideology without being branded a traitor. The earlier belief was very obviously that the god wasn’t all-powerful at all. Only then do the bible stories make sense. Such as the god using the Roman’s execution of him as a way to soak up all the “sin” in the world, which an all-powerful god would never need to do since it can go back and forth in time and change anything in the blink of an eye.
So, what does the story tell us? If the creature is all-powerful then the story about the execution is completely meaningless. If the creature is not all-powerful then … no, it’s still stupid. Soak up “sin” through death, how silly. Talk about imitating Celtic mythology, where the nature god who dies to rise again every year for the sake of making the crops grow with his blood, saving the people, was widespread from the west and across the Alps to the east.
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You could not be more mistaken in your analysis. Christ shows the existential human problem … death and corruption; yet defeats it because of his purity, obedience and denial of self-preservation. The use of power of this world only perpetuates the death and corruption of the world. The obedience selflessness and love he actualized destroyed death by accepting his own death. In it he showed he was “first born of the dead” … He was truly first in all things (St Basil the Great).
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Very good and very true. Add your special little unicorn and men’s beliefs about the nature of women to your list.
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I have let go too. But I’ve done so in a self-sufficiency style. Like PA said, I’ve let go of the rot and want to be as self sufficient as I can. My poolside consists of gardens, weapons, and survival skills. The tigers won’t know how to eat and survive when society goes to shit – just remember that.
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CH is gay. Posts like this prove it. He tries to hide the gay, but as Freud says, the subconscious is powerful.
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sure, i guess you also subscribe to the lefty movie stereotype that the biggest homophobes are actually flaming queens underneath bursting to get out
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If CH was gay, he wouldn’t be anonymous and every other posts would have a selfie in it.
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Bingo.
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Droll… so very droll.
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Aren’t fagggots heterophobes, suppressing latent biological reality? Or something? Don’t really care to go into these tiresome allegations one way or the other. I don’t visit or comment on fag sites and dont understand why people waste their time doing similar things. Just wanted to mention that the first place I heard the strawberry bit was on Mike Judge’s relatively red pill show ‘King of the Hill.’ A show that frequently touched on red pill wisdom more than most tripe in the msm. ‘Cheers’ being another. Of course, neither show would have lasted as long as they did had they not had heaping helpings of cultmarx in them. The intelligent viewer could discern the wisdom from the propaganda. Seemed a good place to post this comment.
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Didn’t CH say he was a green tea swilling metrosexual, that one time?
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gay? no he is a left handed Sumo wrestler who was never breastfed, I can tell by the way he uses punctuation.
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Be objective. CH:
1 – hates women? Check.
2 – proudly sociopathic? Check.
3- aloof with women, finds it easy to be at ease and maintain frame because he doesn’t give a shit about what women think? Check.
4 – repeatedly declares that anal sex is the best sex, as long as he is the fucker and not the fuckee? Check.
5 – loveless, or at least doesn’t ever mention loving anyone in his posts? Check.
6- pretends to despise and distain reproductive sex? Check.
7 – hates fathers, especially anyone who chose to father a child? Check.
7 – incandescent hatred of women? Check.
8 – views women as subhuman animals, completely unworthy of love or respect? Check, but to be fair, that’s all of us here.
Taken together – that’s the Gay. You don’t need to actually have sex with men to be gay. Sex with women doesn’t de-gay you. Your motivation and deep-seated desires are what define you as gay.
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LOL SO TRUE BURH CANT BELIEVE THE LEMMINGS HERE CANT SEE THROUGH THIS THO ITS OTES OBVIOUS
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CH doesn’t women. I’d say he hates their entitled, childish behavior. Big difference. #3 is just a ludicrous statement. I don’t recall him making the point you say in #4.
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We all hate bad women, we all love good women
there are much more bad women out there than good ones.
That is why it may look as if we hate women but we don’t.
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The “Hidden Hand” is DNA.
As Wallace Wattles said, the “Intelligent Substance” – i.e., the intelligence that created you, the trees, the rocks and the universe and the screen you’re reading this on.
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That reminds me of the parable of the grasshopper and the octopus:
‘All year long, the grasshopper kept burying acorns for the winter, while the octopus mooched off his girlfriend and watched TV. But then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns. And also he got a racecar.’
Is any of this getting through to you?
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Plus he predicted the winner of the World Cup!
I love that story.
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There’s a special kind of defeatism that libertarians engage in before every election. It makes them sound smart and mathematical as a way to obscure the fact that they can’t win (I wish they could, would be a better alternative than the current establishment, even if it wouldn’t be ideal).
It’s this: “One vote can’t change anything. The little effect your vote as an influence on politics has on your own well-being is infinitesimal, as the effect of your vote would be spread over all the millions of citizens. You will benefit much more from spending the day working a few extra hours instead of driving to the voting booth.”
The problem with this cleverness is that while one vote can be said to change extremely little, the fact is that a lot of votes put together can and do change elections. These are votes cast by people who didn’t calculate how much the vote would benefit them individually. And because they don’t do so, they can put someone in office who does benefit their interests.
A similar situation: in a war a soldier might think, “The war never depends on one person, so I can just hold back and make sure I’m safe, let the others fight.” And yet, wars are won by a lot of soldiers working together, benefiting from the spoils of war thereby, precisely because they didn’t calculate how much their individual effort would benefit them individually.
Paradoxical? I am sure those libertarian thinkers, in particular those with an education in economics, could find a way to explain this paradox in clearer words if they’d like. But they prefer to sound clever and make their collective defeat sound like a personal victory instead.
(Ironically, their argument that “one person doesn’t change anything, so don’t vote” would also apply to their writings. Will one person’s political writings decide the outcome of the political struggle? No. So the writer would profit more from spending that writing time on work instead, wouldn’t he? And yet he doesn’t.)
Aside from that – it is wrong to say your vote doesn’t influence anything. Even if your party loses, a strong showing in one election will lead more people to vote for the party in the next election. No nationalist party in Europe ever entered parliament by going from 0 votes to enough votes. They first have to increase votes in a couple of elections, which makes other people think that hey, I’ll add my vote to theirs next time. And on a larger scale: while one party entering a parliament may not change things, it contributes to a wider change over time.
Same with CH’s writings and other efforts. Even if one person’s effort won’t decide the war, it does have an effect. It does inspire others to make an effort, in the present and in the future. There are young boys growing up today who will do things in the future we can’t predict right now, but they will do so only because others have kept the dissent alive, kept the information alive and helped spread it. Remember also: while any particular societal development in history moves slowly, accumulated developments can reach a point where they move very fast.
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Letting go is freedom, freedom from fear of consequences. Only when you are afraid of losing what you have does the tiger frighten you.
True happiness for some comes from enjoying the strawberry. True happiness from others comes from pulling that tiger on the down with you and stabbing the other in the neck with your machete on your way down.
With your dying breath, you cut open the foul effluence, the rotting cesspool of filth, inside of those tigers, and laugh as they glimpse the emptiness of eternity.
Their defeat is eternal, as they stood for lies, and lies die with those who believe them.
The truth is sharp, and dangerous, and eternal.
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There comes a certain point where having heirs no longer matters that much. The point is to live well, and, if possible, die well.
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Walter White could have “let go” when diagnosed with lung cancer. But he understood that he has miles to go before he sleeps.
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A beautiful, FEMININE, sweet woman… (sigh)
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Christopher Hitchens, in his one man crusade against religion and its myth of the afterlife, spoke movingly and often with great humor. Reality — when you die, death taps you on the shoulder and says, “The party’s over. But only for you. The party is going to continue for everybody else.” Religion simply cannot abide this reality, so it tries to convince that you’re heading to a new party. But you’re not.
So guess what? Party now because it WILL be over for you, eventually.
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I guess we’ll take your word for it. :duckface
As far as I’m concerned, there’s a St. Crispin’s Day awaiting those with faith and a sense of brotherhood for their true brothers.
And the rest of you can hold your manhood cheap.
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Christopher Hitchen’s a mass murderer- Lev Bronstein- AKA Trotsky. I prefer his brother Peter.
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Well, HItchens socialistic left wing tendencies are highly problematic indeed, but he just wrote about the guy. But the guy had guts –anybody who walks around Lebanon pulling down Hezbollah posters and mixing it up with Nasrallah’s thugs is pretty ballsy.
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I have two kids, so my mission is pretty clear in terms of equipping them to have agency, awareness and choices in their lives. If I can do that and they get to the stage of having their own children, then my genes have fulfilled their mission. Possibly then I can relax a bit.
Had I known of the red pill before I got married I may well have chosen the poolside route like my older brother. But I went full blue pill, got married and had kids en route from the wedding night itself. So I unwittingly made the non-poolside choice. Fuck!
Ah well, at least my daughter is adorable, now I just have to ensure she is not a slut and I have to teach my son to slay poon all day long.
Long live the red pill!
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Few think logically about their lives either. It’s pointless to make it about hedonism, i.e., the feels, i.e., chemical and electrical reactions in a lump of organic molecules. It’s as pointless to live a hundred years more as is living just a hundred days. It’s pointless to think your acts have any significance at all. It’s pointless to think someone else can judge those acts. Now you’re free.
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But then, this peculiar American/Enlightenment obsession with freedom, sanctified by a revolution where the leaders needed to capture the moral high ground in order to gain control of the land, is not necessarily what makes people happy, if happiness be their goal.
Yes, as Westerners we desire freedom more than any others. It’s in our nature. But duty has also always been a part of our existence. And without it most people feel lost, rootless, unhappy. We are both individuals and members of groups – something politicians often forget, choosing only one or the other.
“The fact is that the average man’s love of liberty is nine tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty — and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies.”
-H.L. Mencken
As for saying no one else can “judge” i.e. evaluate your acts – of course they can. If you set out to do that which prevents Life from moving forward, which makes mankind sink back into the mud and never reach the stars so to speak, never find a way to make sure life can survive all obstacles in the future, never evolve into something greater than what it is now, so that it eventually will just die out. If you set out to do that, then your actions are bad, period. Those with a moral compass, the right moral compass, are fewer today because of the effects of schools and media, but once you find it the there’s-no-point nihilistic crowd seems like children.
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Well said.
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Weren’t we talking nihilism here? If so, moral compass, duty, feelings, animal proclivities like group membership, etc are all equally pointless. Poolside is pointless too, as is life itself.
Though before this ‘acceptance’, some might also end up in what we might call the ‘bargaining stage’, existentialism. Or perhaps the ‘denial’ stage, campus atheism. (“Science rocks, yeah!”)
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You aren’t just your physical body. You’re also collection of genes seeking to survive and replicate themselves forward into the infinite future. In that sense, the urge to work for a brighter posterity makes perfect sense, even from a 100% self-interested perspective.
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“It’s only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to do anything”
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While occasionally you pretend to be doing the good work of saving civilization–and much of your criticism is spot on, as is the necessity of anti-feminism–your belief in infinite nothingness renders you a nihilist. If you don’t believe in God, all is lost. Except a few quality lays along the way. That said, I can’t say I’m living right altogether. I suppose no one can. But let’s not make an idol of our own weaknesses.
Fulton Sheen–a brilliant man–had much intelligent to say on this, as excerpted below:
There are two extremes to be avoided in discussing married love:
one is the refusal to recognize sexual love, the other is the giving
of primacy to sexual attraction. The first error was Victorian; the
second is Freudian. To the Christian, sex is inseparable from the
person, and to reduce the person to sex is as silly as to reduce
personality to lungs or a thorax. Certain Victorians in their
education practically denied sex as a function of personality;
certain sexophiles of modern times deny personality and make a
god of sex. The male animal is attracted to the female animal, but
a human personality is attracted to another human personality.
The attraction of beast to beast is physiological; the attraction of
human to human is physiological, psychological, and spiritual.
The human spirit has a thirst for the infinite which the quadruped
has not. This infinite is really God. But man can pervert that thirst,
which the animal cannot because it has no concept of the infinite.
Infidelity in married life is basically the substitution for an
infinite of a succession of finite carnal experiences. The false
infinity of succession takes the place of the Infinity of Destiny,
which is God. The beast is promiscuous for an entirely different
reason than man. The false pleasure given by new conquests in the
realm of sex is the ersatz for the conquest of the Spirit in the
Sacrament! The sense of emptiness, melancholy, and frustration is
a consequence of the failure to find infinite satisfaction in what is
carnal and limited. Despair is disappointed hedonism The most
depressed spirits are those who seek God in a false god!
If love does not climb, it falls. If, like the flame, it does not burn
upward to the sun, it burns downward to destroy. If sex does not
mount to heaven, it descends into hell. There is no such thing as
giving the body without giving the soul. Those who think they can
be faithful in soul to one another, but unfaithful in body, forget
that the two are inseparable. Sex in isolation from personality does
not exist! An arm living and gesticulating apart from the living
organism is an impossibility. Man has no organic functions
isolated from his soul. There is involvement of the whole
personality. Nothing is more psychosomatic than the union of two
in one flesh; nothing so much alters a mind, a will, for better or for
worse. The separation of soul and body is death. Those who
separate sex and spirit are rehearsing for death.The enjoyment of
the other’s personality through one’s own personality, is love. The
pleasure of animal function through another’s animal function is
sex separated from love.
You and the rest of the manosphere are, for the most part, just rehearsing for death and stringing together pleasure and contributing to the decline of civilization. It’s nothing to be proud of, and let’s not pretend you’re a modern-day Charles Martel. You’re Flaubert’s Rodolphe, at best.
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The only thing you’re doing differently is deluding yourself into thinking you’re doing this differently. We all lose.
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To me sex is boring, fighting is fun. I look at a woman and yawn.
The purpose of my life is to destroy my enemies, not “enjoyment”. I live in fear that it won’t happen in my lifetime, that not even my own people will be there with me when I fall.
That’s where the so called “warrior” gene comes in.
Only 30% of white people have it, 70% of blacks and maybe 60% of Asians have it. Explains a lot about current events.
Facing the destruction of their race, whites play video games. Some thugs move into the neighborhood, they move out instead of joining together to eradicate the plague.
Most white people simply don’t have a warrior spirit and the ones that do are completely marginalized.
Too bad really because the battle is far from unattainable.
All it takes is getting a bunch of guys and go mess those other guys up, kick them out. There is no counterbalance.
And as a side effect YOU WOULD GET LAID MORE and you wouldn’t need any games. You say comere slut.
Every woman loves a warrior, this is the problem, you are no longer warriors, the blacks are. Jesus Christ.
Happiness is for gays, women and children, you don’t need that. WTF is it anyway? Some nebulous state of quasi nirvana?
Pleasure is for those who have taken care of their business, not INSTEAD of.
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Great comment. One for posterity. I know game but rarely use it. Game is essential to know when needed – but not to live by. I have seen guys ‘play the jerk’ and lose a sweet feminine girl forever.
I am above that. Even simple acts like the ‘3 day rule’ were you supposedly wait for 3 days before texting/calling the number you got from a girl. I usually reach out the next day because I am enthusiastic/passionate about the girl not needy. Sometimes it fails. There are girls out there who I fuck who compliment me because I don’t play games and find it refreshing. Be yourself, be strong, be confident and charming and the rest will follow.
The girls who play lots of games are the ones you don’t want to be around.
If girls want to be with me, now is your chance. Wait too long – it’s gone. Dudes who value their lives on their attractiveness to women (who in a lot of cases are not worth shit) are just victims of the system as much as anyone. Your life is for you.
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“Some thugs move into the neighborhood, they move out instead of joining together to eradicate the plague.”
Flight is easier than fight. You can try to burn a cross or set up restrictive covenants but then you’re not dealing with ‘thugs’ but with federal agents.
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Stumbling across thid blog and the commentary was, to me, like unexpectedly finding an oasis of sanity in the desert of decaying Western culture I have been trudging through for 40 years.
To hell with these anti-white and anti-male haters.
I am reminded of the final scene from the film The Grey:
Once more into the fray,
Into the last good fight I’ll ever know,
Live and die on this day,
Live and die on this day.
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No, there are inherent values in things regardless of whether we die or not. If what happened after we die didn’t matter, then all the men who sacrificed themselves in all of the battles for all of time did it for nothing. Part of life is being able to look back and appreciate what others did. Another part is in continuing the things that are good. When I am dead, it won’t matter that I am not there to experience whatever the future generations do because so long as we keep our traditions and values, whatever they do will be good on its own. To say that the distant future doesn’t matter is worse than nihilism, it is relativism. Further, there ought to be a rule that anything that references, quotes, or adheres to zen ideology ought to be dragged outside and shot. Go join the hippy commune if you want to practice such things, this is the West.
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> “Further, there ought to be a rule that anything that references, quotes, or adheres to zen ideology ought to be dragged outside and shot.”
Martin – very good frame of mind in general – but in your interactions with your womynz, lose the subjunctive mood and make it more forceful and straightforward and direct: “there ought to be a rule” becomes “I have a rule” and “ought to be dragged outside and shot” becomes “will be bent over my knee and given a nice hard spanking”.
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There are some good things Zen has to offer, but yeah in a lot of ways it seems to advocate being passive and goofy.
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The precipice with the roots in abundance provides a temporary relief of the tiger above. The tiger below awaits your descent as a meal to be savored. A strawberry spied to one side appears to be at its’ peak and is calling out to be plucked. By the strength of your will you instead deploy the whip at your side to grasp the overhanging branch of the great oak poised on the opposing face of the gorge below. Swinging to reach the safety of the plateau beyond a field of voluptuous strawberries await with their reward.
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Let’s up the ante, so that hanging with him from the vines are his son and his infant daughter. And he has to lecture his son on how his son’s little sister is a Very Special Strawberry indeed, who must at all times be protected from the Nogs and the PUAs and the YKW cultural poisoning. But since this particular strawberry on the cliffside is NOT his son’s sister, then his son must seize the strawberry and make it his own.
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Very astute comment. I’m surprised there have not been responses to this one. It is completely fucked up (scary) to be a father of daughters in today’s world.
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the philosophy of absurdism seems like a good outlook to have
to explain it look at it this way
nihilism= atheism
absurdism= agnosticism
it refers to the conflict between (1) the human tendency to seek inherent value and meaning in life and (2) the human inability to find any
then what you have to do is accept this absurd fact and create your own meaning to life
its explained well by jeffy from rsd here
albert camus who wrote about this philosophy giving example of archetypes that fit this lifestyle.
His first example of the absurd man is the famous seducer, Don Juan. He moves from woman to woman, seducing each one in turn with the same tactics—the same maneuvers—with which he seduced his previous lovers. He never stays with one woman too long before moving on to his next conquest.
Camus dismisses all accusations that Don Juan is desperately seeking true love, or that he is melancholy, or that he is unimaginatively repetitive, or that he is callously selfish, or that he will be a miserable old man. All these accusations seem to assume that Don Juan is ultimately hoping to achieve transcendence, to find something that will take him beyond his day-to-day seductions, and that he is totally incapable of finding that transcendence.
On the contrary, Camus portrays Don Juan as a man who lives for the passions of the present moment. He lives without hope of finding any transcendent significance in his life, and he recognizes the meaninglessness of his seductions. He is not looking for true love; he wants only to experience the continual repetition of his conquests. He is not melancholy; that would suppose that he hopes for something more or that he doesn’t know all that he needs to know. He is not unimaginatively repetitive in his seductions; he is interested in quantity, not quality, and so if the same techniques always get him the desired result there is no reason to alter them. He is not callously selfish; he may be selfish in his own way, but he does not seek to possess or control those whom he seduces. He will not suffer the consequences of his actions; he lives in full awareness of who he is and of where he is going. Therefore, old age and impotence can hardly catch him off-guard.
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“Jeffy”
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CH discusses the “greater men” of the past and the glories of Western civilization while deriding their future-orientation as illogical.
[CH: deride?]
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What do you think of this? http://bobagard.blogspot.com/2015/01/not-static-environment.html
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Your first book will be called “Poolside” right, CH?
[Ch: great title. but no, the one i was thinking of is even better than that.]
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The Shiv?
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Shivving for a living. Heh.
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“Thwacking Off: My Years Working In Adult Daycare”
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We’re at a funeral and he’s telling jokes!?
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Poolside-ism only makes sense if there’s no afterlife. If our actions in life matter forever, if we’re going to be consciously enjoying reward of feeling punishment forever … then poolside-ism is tragically short-sighted.
[CH: that’s true, but so far the evidence for an afterlife is, shall we say… lacking.]
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If the resurrection of Jesus actually happened, then …
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What evidence is there that there *isn’t*? If (empirical) evidence cannot prove either the existence or non-existence of an afterlife, “evidence” must be thrown out as a tool of discernment. If you try to open a lock with a carrot, it doesn’t open. What opens the lock…
🙂
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Evidence of carrot opening a lock. (I just couldn’t resist!)
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OMG! Hahahahaha 🙂 Glad you didn’t resist!
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“at death the comfort derived from safeguarding your posterity will vanish just as completely as your poolside time”
I think not. Certainly not in the moments of death. Remember Archduke Ferdinand, bleeding to death and cradling his mortally stricken wife – “Sophie ! Sophie ! Don’t die ! Stay alive for our children !”
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At death, meaning the moment your body is no longer alive; meaning the moment you re-enter nonexistence, which is where we all came from.
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I haven’t seen a ripe, wild strawberry in *my* neck of the woods for a long,
loooonnnng time.. Maybe there were some in the late ~1970’s..
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I appreciate the mention of “the infinite nothingness,” CH. I wish you didn’t go with the omniscient reference at the end, but hey, I guess we don’t know for sure.
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[…] Original here: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/01/13/the-parable-of-the-tiger-and-the-strawberry/#comment-6423… […]
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There are many reported instances in history when a tyrant has demanded that people in the society “prove” that they are true nihilists and not secret believers in a Transcendent Order to which they might spasmotically and un-predictably want to conform their lives to. Normally that has involved carrying out an order to commit murder on an innocent person.
Only after that can they be trusted.
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What instances are you referring to. I want to research this. Thanks
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First of all, do you doubt for a second that this is truth?
Stalin, Drug Gangs, The Nazi SS, The Dirty War in Argie, The Editorial Staff of the New York Times…
You do not need my assistance to research this.
But you already know that.
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Let’s kick it back to the basics. Like our friend on here states:
Meet – isolate – escalate.
Period.
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Time is an illusion, and information can neither be created nor destroyed. Just as the universe leaves an imprint on our consciousness, our consciousness leaves an imprint on the universe, or reality, or whatever you want to call it. The information transfer goes both ways. We are eternal on some level, but being reawakened requires a synthesizing with reality, the universe, God, or whatever you want to call it. Imagine the evolution of existence in billions of years. We are God observing his own creation. It’s no more silly than your beliefs.
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Mr. Heartiste:
You are an outstanding writer and possess enormous worldly wisdom. You are not only a master of game, but a master of explicating it on the Internet. In my considered opinion as an editor for 30 years and having worked with outstanding writers at major publishing houses, I can say with some authority that you are in fact one of the best writers out there today. You are a master of social analysis.
But you have NO fucking idea what is important in life. You have managed to take one of the most valuable parts of life — attracting a beautiful woman and treating her in a way that keeps her imagination excited — and create an endless, recursive loop with it. In other words, you have taken game and made a game of it.
You will be amusing, bitter and stupid in your dotage, if you don’t off yourself first.
Find ONE woman. Love her and use game to keep her interested, starry-eyed and invested in the marriage. And have boatloads of children.
You have NO idea if this life is all there is. (BTW, it’s not.)
You are not offering poolside philosophy. You are offering cheap junkie pessimism. You have taken a common Zen tale and perverted it.
There is more to being a man than getting your dick wet and mastering the art of reframing shit tests. Getting your dick wet and mastering shit tests is a good start, but there’s a lot more to it than that.
Go thou likewise and find God, that thou may stop sayingest bullshit about existential realities that are above your pay grade.
Otherwise, keep up the good work. — Gunnar
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Thank You. I needed to read this.
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You have NO idea if this life is all there is. (BTW, it’s not.)
Religionut contradicting himself in the same breath. CH has “no idea” if “this life is all there is – but then Gunnar immediately claims that HE knows.
Without a shred of evidence, of course.
Religionuts are like communists, just make up whatever they want to believe. They have no idea of how to observe facts to come to conclusions. In fact, they are hostile to the whole process.
And this begs the question why his fantasy of an “after-life” would contradict anything that CH says. Gunnar also claims that CH opposes men getting married, which he has never said. This is typical of amateurs bashing the manosphere, building strawmen that they can attack.
CH helps men find the women they want, so they don’t have to settle for the first woman that deigns give them attention. In the process he helps them shape up in general. This is the genius of the manosphere, take a process that interests and helps men and where results are verifiable to the user, a process that also helps them improve their whole lives.
But leftists like Gunnar (editor for thirty years? Only if you willingly lick the asses of the media owners) are opposed to the whole idea. And since they reject men learning to be men again, they attack the manosphere – but only in general, as they can never point to specifics that would be wrong, since they would then be met with a wealth of evidence of what idiots they are. Just like when leftists attack “racism” but at all cost avoid looking at the facts.
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Leftist, liberal, SJW, YKW=bad.
Bad, bad bad.
Haha. Guess I told YOU.
That’s ALL you need to know.
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The gist is that those things should make one happy now. A society that doesn’t make people happy when they foster the future of that society doesn’t deserve to exist. If anyone has children because they think said children will matter to them after their own death, they’re being outright imbecilic.
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Never known it to fail… those without children knowing more about it than those who do.
Stick with what you know, kid.
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
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“The world is a comedy to those who think, a tragedy to those who feel.”
Horace Walpole.
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It is immensely challenging to raise a “boat load” of children in Cultural Marxist theocracy. The full weight of the society, culture, etc.. are at war against you. Embittered barren women will constantly snipe at every opportunity. A young and beautiful mother is among the most detestable figures in modern culture.
A paternalistic lifestyle is also deeply Beta, and will arouse your wife’s contempt. The probability that your children or your wife will not be undermined and turned against you is very low indeed. So, this is not the “easy” or fulfilling lifestyle, but counter-cultural unless you are in some evangelical outpost, Utah or Israel.
You might get lucky and have children who you won’t secretly loathe, but this is largely contingent on your wife’s genetic stock and temperament. It will require staggering extended family support and a religious community. It is a fantasy of a bygone age for most.
The alternative, a life of carousing, is really a life of incessant sadistic shit tests from those 9’s who will never cease demanding proofs of your alphaness. The bland nubile things with daddy issues may seem fun, but tires. As you cross 50, they start to fall out of reach and the women orders of magnitude less appealing become the norm.
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