What do you do with a girl who’s gone ghost on you? Answering the question, a reader supplies a text exchange he had with a ghost girl.
Hello.
Please use my e-mail in your blog, if necessary, just for a comedic release.
After meeting a girl at Tinder, getting her number, and texting for a bit, she went ghost. I decided to use a tactic and text her a week later with this interesting conversation.
Short, sweet, to the point,
Background info: beauty salonist, self-proclaimed beauty fanatic, high maintenance poss, has nice curves, has fiesty shallow personality. Until today.
Very broadly, there are three ways you can reply to a sex prospect who’s stopped communicating for no apparent reason.
1. Beta. (80% of men are totally gameless)
“Hey, remember me, Frodo Baggins? We talked about ice cream and kittens. You still interested in continuing our scintillating chat?”
2. Alpha. (Game savvy)
Examples abound. See non sequitur game or reverse eavesdropping game.
3. Asshole. (Accidental game)
The reader’s texts above are a classic demonstration of asshole game.
Ordering the three tactics above by their effectiveness:
Alpha (game savvy) > Asshole (no fucks given accidental game) > Beta (zero game having).
Yes, you read that right. You’ll have more success prodding a ghost girl to reengage by telling her “fuck you that’s who it is” than you will by beseeching her to remember the time you two spent together in a chat box one week ago.
Don’t misconstrue. Total Asshole game isn’t ideal. There are better ways to unsilence a will-o’-the-whore than nuking her Casper hamster from orbit. But, if you just want to entertain yourself while keeping the chance for a sex match higher than the betaboy average, and you are an everlovin’ narcissist who preens at the idea of passing the Jumbotron Test with flying colors, then Total Asshole is a legitimate means of masculine expression. Just don’t be surprised if it works.
PS I’m sure the CH audience is curious what happened after he sent the last text. Update?
PPS Did everyone notice how many words Rachel used in her reply to his “FU” flip-off? That, my friends, is what is known in the business as a twat tell. She was indignant……. with LURRRRRRVVV.
PPPS In a culture in which the sex market effectively functions as if there exists a decided sex ratio advantage for women (as it currently does in America), the return on Total Asshole Game will be much higher than it would be in a more level flaying field. Bonus shivs for the commenter who best explains the reason for this social phenomenon. (Hint: Abundance mentality.)
[…] Ghost Girl […]
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I think it’s funny she wrote over a dozen words to someone who is irrelevant to her. Considering it’s obvious she knew who it was I would have said ‘impeccable logic. now use it to figure out who this is and you might get a prize’.
The prize being the privilege of taking me out for drinks, of course. lol
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Let me know when you get a hot girl from online dating to take you out and buy you drinks
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[…] Ghost Girl […]
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I think for asshole game to work you have to have had some sort of joking/gaming attitude with her before.
Otherwise she’s gonna put the hand up
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Also I don’t see the large text from her as more interest. I see it as her venting her bitchiness and making sure he won’t talk to her again. Idk tho it’s texting ha
[CH: note the timestamp on her long-winded reply. lurv, i tell you.]
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So…asshole game cannot salvage the ghosting situation I’ve found myself in this past week since I didn’t use it during the 5 hours I spent with the ghoster previously?
[CH: a natural asshole wouldn’t worry about the degree of warranted assholery based on length of previous interactions.]
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Good catch on the time timestamp. I didn’t notice at first.
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I see what your saying but it’s a lot of analysis….
My guess is if this guy keeps gaming the girl will have an attitude of “what don’t you understand…stop fucking talking to me”
Assuming she’s hot
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Maybe it wasn’t Rachel?
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[CH: even funnier if it works.]
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Reminds me of the old joke:
JAP in a bar, strikes up a conversation with the darkly brooding fellow sitting next to her.
“I never saw you here before.”
“I’ve never been here before.”
“Oh? Where do you normally go?”
“I just got out of prison… did a ten year stretch for killing my girlfriend.”
“So you’re available, then?”
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We all know catfishing doesn’t exist.
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http://news.sky.com/story/1409291/protection-of-police-and-jews-in-uk-reviewed
The USA has been at war with the Caucasian people since the Jews began their progressive takeover starting in 1913 when, in an act of treason against the Constitution, they created a fiat currency owned by 11? Jewish banking families and the Rockerfellas. Income tax was created later that year to pay the interest to these families. Everyone in America became enslaved into that system, just like in Europe.
Today, the so called US dollar remains the plaything of the same families – the Federal Reserve dollar, with all it’s masonic and star of David symbols.
It’s value has gone down about 99% despite the military enforcement of the petrodollar. This is another way of saying that 99% of the wealth created by the American people (mostly of European descent) has been delivered into the hands of these 12 families.
Since WW2 finished, they have been promoting the genocide by all means of Caucasian people, and breeding Negroes by means of foreign aid.
The plan – the Kalergi Plan – is to despoil for all time the high IQ Caucasian genome with low IQ Negroes and mixed breed Muslims to create a “New Man”. A lower IQ human slave over who they will rule forever.
A primitive attempt was made at this when this same tribe ran the USSR by murdering all Rus who had an education. It didn’t work because although the peasants were illiterate, they had the same mean IQ as other Caucasians.
Race mixing with lower IQ hominids, however, will work and it will be for all time. If they are successful.
It makes no difference to them if it done by rape or consent. Hence the sudden concern for the safety of Jews in the UK, despite decades of literally hundreds of thousand of White girls being raped by Pakis and Niggers.
“There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That’s a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.”
US General Wesley Clarke
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Futrelle’s gonna have a field day with this comment …
[CH: fatrelle should focus first on not having a field day with his cheetos ball pit and his vat of mountain dew.]
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It wuz the jooz, I tell yas. Them jooz, and them nigraz too.
Pass me them moonshinz, white men. The only books you needs is the King jamz bible ana shop manual for yer 88 Silverado. You caint fek ma sister. She aint even my half sister. She’s all mine. Thatz how we keep our hah IQz, is interbreedon.
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Comment of the year so far.
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They can afford their own security rather than parasiting the scarce resource of the host population.
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My favorite part of this comment is how he’s not quite sure just how many wealthy jewish banking families are in charge of the currency. He thinks its 11 – but he has the common deceny to put a question mark on it.
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Well, Kalergi’s plan is illconceived, as, even as pozzed out as the West has become, interracial relationships are still shit tier behavior.
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Fat grumpy girls with white skin get the few black guys with jobs. Mudsharks, how can even black guys fuck em? They’re so big and smelly. No thanks. Gimme a skinny little dago girl or a tight young Latina. Or a young yuppie girl with a smile and nice jeans. Nice dreams and better yet when you’re awake. Sister awake.
Fat girls are for lazy guys. No sank you. $400 gets you a skinny hot girl in Quebec for the night.
$400,000 gets you a skinny pretty white gf with a job, no slob, but she’ll slob on your knob if you laugh at her crap and have stubble a flat waist nice car and watch.
The world belongs to those who work hard but look effortless.
Not to break through but ease by. After a bit of work jerk its so easy. Slip on through, slip it in, steal a heart from a 10 girl and steal the whole world like god.
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Gay
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For someone who doesn’t care, she suuuuure answered him quickly
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yeah so he would leave her the fuck alone. I’m a girl and all of this is so disgusting and sad. please stop so you can actually get someone
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Hey Lexi. What time do you get off of work at the strip club?
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“In a culture in which the sex market effectively functions as if there exists a decided sex ratio advantage for women (as it currently does in America), the return on Total Asshole Game will be much higher than it would be in a more level flaying field. Bonus shivs for the commenter who best explains the reason for this social phenomenon. (Hint: Abundance mentality.)”
Probably because in a culture where slim women are in short supply, they can afford to have ridiculous standards and beta bucks is a given, so you need to go hard on the asshole lane.
It’s why mediocre chicks will be more receptive to beta game than turbo hotties will be. Why aging broads are more receptive to nice guy game than 22 year olds.
Close?
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I find beautiful women to be far less bitchy. Sure, they might have stronger bitch shields, but once you get rid of those, they will generally be sweeter than less beautiful girls, especially since they will be sweeter when it’s not in their interest too. Mediocre chicks are sweeter and beta game works more on them because of a lack of options, the same reasons ‘nice guys’ are sweet too. I simply don’t care for sweetness that stems from insecurity because it’s a passive-aggressive kind of sweetness.
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great points.
i do think beautiful girls are nice for a different reason than mediocre girls like you say.
from what i’ve observed, the mediocre girls tend to fake sweetness and kindness in order to come across as more valuable and/or to get good treatment in return. it’s mostly manipulative and insincere. it doesn’t usually come from a place of genuine kindness like it does from the truly beautiful girls who are nice.
beautiful girls do it because they can afford to. they have nothing to lose by being sweet and kind. they also don’t automatically feel defensive or insecure around people like other girls do so they don’t feel the need to manipulate anyone into liking them.
so when a really beautiful girl is sweet as pie, i’d say you can almost always trust that it’s genuine. that’s been my experience anyway.
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I agree. True bitches seem to be the 6s.
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The featured video on the front page of YouTube today is called “Twins Come Out To Dad” in which two brothers record themselves telling their father over the phone that they’re homosexual.
The narcissism, self-promotion and ego-stroking is disgusting. It is EVERYTHING you expect from a demented homosexual.
YouTube comments tend to be the cesspool of the Internet, but there are a lot of commentors bashing these two queers for broadcasting this.
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‘After meeting a girl at Tinder, getting her number, and texting for a bit, she went ghost. I decided to use a tactic and text her a week later with this interesting conversation.’
Perhaps I see a different spin on things…but perhaps she went ghost because the guy stayed in text mode and never suggested setting up an arrangement where they could see each other mode.
She more than likely lost interest in the guy during the text exchanges.
[CH: if she’s a hot tramp as the reader attested, then his take is realistic. hot girls have a lot of suitors and a cultivated sense of timelessness (however short-sighted) to pick and choose among the best men making offers. it’s quite common for such girls to forget about this or that man in their flirting rotation, or to decide upon the flimsiest pretexts to stop talking to a particular man.]
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Definitely possible. Another possibility, and I think it’s more probable, is that women’s attention spans, particularly on a rapid-fire site like Tinder, are shorter than a bee’s dick, and she was moving onto the next 75 guys who she swiped right with.
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Hence why you got to strike while the iron is hot.
Or find gals with attention spans longer than a gnat.
Moral of the story…if they forget about you for whatever reason…it’s not worth pursuing.
[CH: not necessarily. she could be worth pursuing if the effort to pursue is low and the payoff is high.]
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Define high payoff.
[CH: sex with a height-weight proportionate woman under 30 and in the top decile in looks.]
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[CH: sex with a height-weight proportionate woman under 30 and in the top decile in looks.]
You speak as though that’s soooo hard to get.
[CH: for the vast majority of men? yes. unless you mean to pay for it.]
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‘You speak as though that’s soooo hard to get.’
Yeah, exactly.
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[CH: for the vast majority of men? yes. unless you mean to pay for it.]
Girls are practically throwing themselves at the feet of the man who’ll unapologetically display his desire and refuse to compromise his integrity.
[CH: ok, but how many men are like that? you’re working with a limited sample size. also, i’d be careful about following a protocol of “unapologetically displaying your desire” to a woman. not too many women are keen on men offering insta-fuck solicitations.]
Hell, they settle for someone who even tries to do that most of the time.
You already know it. You’ve been preaching it all this while brother.
[i’ve never said that hot young pretty girls are easy to get, or are dropping in the laps of men. that’s my bone of contention with what you wrote.]
So NO, sex with a hottie isn’t a big enough reward.
[sure it is. just look around you. how many men do you think would turn down sex with a hottie if it meant a few minutes of chatting online to achieve the result? shit, most men would put in MONTHS of work to bang a bona fide hottie.]
Unless she really is a prize. Which means way more than body shape and age.
[not “way” more. a little more.]
Of course I’d agree if she were a real catch. Those are in scant supply indeed.
[frumpy aging women who are sexually faithful and nurturing are in large supply, yet not many men with options want them.]
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they’re hard to even locate today, regardless of ease of closing
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If sex is what you want…that is a pretty easy reward. What between birth control, high self esteem, and the nonstop seeking of tingles from today’s modern woman.
Then you find out they are vapid, boring, empty, and are in love with a smartphone you begin realize how little of a reward meaningless sex is.
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@burke they’re hard to even locate today, regardless of ease of closing
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That’s a sad truth man.
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‘[frumpy aging women who are sexually faithful and nurturing are in large supply, yet not many men with options want them.]’
They are?
[CH: larger supply than younger, hotter, tighter minxes. it’s all about the linear relationship between willingness to make concessions and SMV drop with time.]
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[CH: ok, but how many men are like that? you’re working with a limited sample size. also, i’d be careful about following a protocol of “unapologetically displaying your desire” to a woman. not too many women are keen on men offering insta-fuck solicitations.]
Unapologetic display of desire isn’t necessarily equal to insta-fuck solicitations.
As far as how many men are like that goes, I can see your point. Most men are dropping the ball right now. That I agree with. But that just tilts the demand-supply curve in favor of any man who’d be unwilling to bend over backwards.
[i’ve never said that hot young pretty girls are easy to get, or are dropping in the laps of men. that’s my bone of contention with what you wrote.]
They may not be dropping in anyone’s laps, but they are all around,
[CH: no, they’re not. as a share of the female population, HB7+s in the 15-25 age bracket are a distinct minority.]
easy as fuck to get,
[no, they’re not, not for the vast majority of men at any rate. you think a hot 20 year old is gonna be just as easy to nail as a 35yo cougar?]
and easier to keep.
[easier to keep compared to whom? even hotter, younger, tighter babes?]
Fuck, it’s hard to get rid of girls. I sometimes feel guilty about it.
[to get rid of girls you first have to get them. and that’s the hard part.]
[sure it is. just look around you. how many men do you think would turn down sex with a hottie if it meant a few minutes of chatting online to achieve the result? shit, most men would put in MONTHS of work to bang a bona fide
hottie.]
It actually IS months with online dating thing.
[sending a two second text to a chick once every week for three months isn’t the equivalent of three months’ worth of work.]
Fact is, you’d possibly need to mail 100’s of girls to get a dozen’s digits. And then you’d spend more than a few minutes with each to get them to show up in flesh.
[meeting ten girls IRL requires more total time, even if you manage to get their #s after two minutes of convo. you’ve got to include time spent to get to venues or hot spots, time spent to isolate the girls you like, etc.]
Real world approach cuts out months of cumulative hardwork.
[come on, dude. stop jiving us. online game isn’t months of hard work, unless you’re inept at it. yeah, sure, it’s a bad move to STAY in online game mode once a girl has bitten, but it’s a trivial amount of time to catch her interest with a few well-formed chat barbs.]
but like I said, if it works for you, good. Doesn’t work well for me.
[bottom line: if your offline game sucks, your online game sucks. and vice versa.]
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Unless she really is a prize. Which means way more than body shape and age.
[not “way” more. a little more.]
Disagreed.
[your opinion is the exception to the rule.]
Long term commitment necessitates the presence of a lot more than hotness and youth.
[the hotness and youth are high prerequisite thresholds.]
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@CH’s comment is in regard to the “top decile in looks”.
There is soooo much grade inflation on game blogs, to make it sound like the world is teaming with HB9s. And all the “playas” are neck deep in it.
The fact is most of what guys post as a solid 9 is in reality a 7. Unless they live in Miami (in winter), NYC (Downtown), LA or Vegas. Or are currently on tour with a known musical act. (s are real hard to find. I knew a wealthy party guy in the 90’s who set up a real modelling agency just so he could have a supply around.
Know that’s not a knock on the 7s… they are hot. They are worthy of pursuit.
But 9 is a whole other level and there just aren’t many in the wild. It’s a logarithmic scale guys. If you have seen a 9 in the wild, it can be pretty wild. I mean electric. Traffic will literally stop (seen it happen in NYC with two models walking down the steps of Penn Station on 7th Ave, cars honking like mad, all heads turning), entire restaurants will turn their heads in unison to watch. It’s really captivating. Those are 9s. 8s are “Hollywood pretty”, usually great faces but bodies can be a bit short, a bit more squat, a bit less perfect. 7s are the hot girls you do see. 6s are cute faces and likely a little heavy. 5s about as low as I would look. Plain face and a little heavy. Below this does not matter.
So let’s keep it a little real now. In the last 2 weeks, how many of you have actually seen a women like this below, let alone gamed her? Should be a poll.
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Dat’s rayciss.
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@ CH
[no, they’re not, not for the vast majority of men at any rate. you think a hot 20 year old is gonna be just as easy to nail as a 35yo cougar?]
I’ve no idea about the 35yo cougars. Never gone after them.
I’m also not going to argue about how difficult or easy it is to find or nail 7+ hotties. Everyday on the subway I’m appalled at how many hot young white blondes are hanging on nogs’ arms. Just appalled. I wonder what people complain about.
As for how many there are, just go to the Penn station in Manhattan at 7 AM on a working day, and stand at the Starbucks outlet. You’re gonna see some pretty hot girls walk by every other minute.
[come on, dude. stop jiving us. online game isn’t months of hard work, unless you’re inept at it. yeah, sure, it’s a bad move to STAY in online game mode once a girl has bitten, but it’s a trivial amount of time to catch her interest with a few well-formed chat barbs.]
It may just be that I’m inept at it. Or it may just be that the demographics are fucked. It’s a sausage fest online. There are 500 other guys who message her every week. Now, no matter how hot they are, 500 guys aren’t approaching them offline.
Then there is no context online. Nobody knows who you are. Your professional influence doesn’t spill over into chatrooms. Nobody knows who they’re talking to. The essence that you’ve done to lay the foundation of an attractive lifestyle is lost online.
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@Sentient
So let’s keep it a little real now. In the last 2 weeks, how many of you have actually seen a women like this below, let alone gamed her? Should be a poll.
NOT many. I only saw one girl of mesmerizing beauty in 2014. We talked for about half an hour. Really vibed. But she already had a boyfriend, that was a three year relationship. She told me it has been her only relationship. All I could say to her was, “That’s good.”
I still think fondly of her. Very fondly.
Having said that, the question I’d like to ask is how many of these have you seen and gamed online over the last two weeks?
You don’t see those girls looking for dates online either, do you?
The modelling agency idea is pretty good. I should give it a try.
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@quorasdesignatedasshole said:
“As for how many there are [7+ hotties], just go to the Penn station in Manhattan at 7 AM on a working day, and stand at the Starbucks outlet. ”
and
“I only saw one girl of mesmerizing beauty in 2014.”
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Right – 1 girl, and you are IN NYC… Top decile is a different level all together. What you see as “hot” day in and out are the 7s and the occasional 8. And you will see these online. Not 9s. Just like real life.
@quorasdesignatedasshole said:
“You don’t see those girls looking for dates online either, do you?”
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No, just like real life.
The bigger issue though is the tyranny of the OR thinking. You should be looking to MAXIMIZE your poon pipeline. You don’t have to choose one over the other and you don’t have to swear allegiance to any style or faction.
Do them all as much as you can – day game, night game, direct, indirect, online dating sites, Tinder… if you suck at some area, do it MORE just for practice and honing your game. Don’t get distracted by the non-sense.
And everywhere is a sausage fest anyway. Hot girl gonna have a guy in her life somehow someway. Bars filled with thirsty chodes, white knights. Online packed with omegas.
All the better to differentiate you from the rest my dear…
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Ah, Claudia Schiffer….so hot…want to touch the hiney!
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[Do them all as much as you can – day game, night game, direct, indirect, online dating sites, Tinder… if you suck at some area, do it MORE just for practice and honing your game. Don’t get distracted by the non-sense.]
Yeah, I get that.
Online just hasn’t ever worked for me somehow. Nightclubs, coffee shops, daygame etc. I keep doing. Online I somehow never close. Feels like a waste of time.
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One more cause it’s Friday and she is an Aryan goddess. 37 in this pic BTW.
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37! Sweet mercy she’s killing it.
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Yeah Mendo – don’t knock the 35 YO gals, all are not created equal. And they are easy to game. at least if you are older, not sure about younger dudes.
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Sentient, we had that bloke considering Anne Hathaway a 9, so we experienced this grade inflation first hand. The tendency to make so many girls 9s just to say you fucked a 9 is pathetic. The reality is that I will more often than not remember 9s and 10s. I remember this amazingly hot blonde I’ve seen last year and she was just walking down the street while I was driving.
quorasdesignatedasshole, the time you spent to build that attractive lifestyle is time that should count against offline game. I’ve never done online game, but I used to have the attractive kind of life and don’t at the moment. If I am to choose the approach venue(off or online), the fact that rebuilding the attractive lifestyle takes so much effort comes into consideration. Having 3 distinct social groups takes far more effort, although I’d advise against online game because it’s limiting. Having social groups is fun in itself. If you don’t like that OR you just play the numbers game and want some sex OR you’re just starting, online might be better.
I frankly don’t think I’ll do clubs again. I think they’re a horrible venue unless you have a great group. Then it’s easy because girls gravitate towards you a little, but you still can’t talk. Here you smoke indoors too so you can’t tell her to come out for a cig and you will end up reeking like an ashtray. Then you need to bother with her group when you want to take her away from them since she’s less likely to fuck if they don’t like you and the girls that are worth hitting on have their beta army buying them drinks and checking their shoe straps(I’ve seen this in a club last year; the amount of humiliation some men would take for a pretty face is farcical). So many downsides. The upsides are drunk girls, but you can pump drinks into girls after you asked them to meet you for minigolf or to join you for a bike ride around some lake. The odds are that men ask her to go drink or the like more than for playful outdoorsy things. I like doing these two things because I will always tease and joke during them and she can actually hear what I’m saying and turn them into a challenge that will involve her buying me a drinks. I couldn’t do this kind of shit with friends I always win against(and you suck if you can’t win a bike race against a girl 9 out of 10*). So in exchange for some gaming effort, I get a free alcoholic drink of my choosing even if I bomb it out later and don’t even get to grope her that much.
*And if she wins, I don’t mind paying a few Euros to make fun of her for training to beat me and how she only won because I didn’t take it seriously, which means she will usually get indignant and want to play again lol
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That ‘aryan goddess’ has thin FASD lips and a tipi tent for a nose. That noggin is so 3D in that pic it looks like it’s about to take off into orbit. I feel like I’m sitting in geometry class her face is so angular. Her fourhead is the size of west kansas. I’m surprised England hasn’t colonized it yet. And yet she’s a 9? Nonsense. I would bang Anne Hathaway over her four times out of five. If anne didn’t look halfway retarded in 90% of her pics and actually tried to look like a female, she would be 8.5-9 easy. The bitch has potential. If she understood femininity she wouldn’t look like a 7.
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Blondie’s an 8 at best. The only inflation is the extra point you are giving her because she looks like she wants your dick. Her body might be a solid 9. Face, not so much. Her mother shoulda put the bottle down during pregnancy.
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@Scoobiedoobiesnacks
Sometimes I forget the interwebz are full of retards and shut ins. Thanks for the helpful reminder.
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Anne Hathaway over Claudia?
You mean Anne “Julia Roberts lite” Hathaway? Is THAT the Hathaway you mean? Or did you mean Miss Hathaway from the Beverley Hillbillies?
On a side note, horseface Julie herself being probably the most overrated Hollywood (ahem) “beauty” since, well… forever… but I digress.
I know they say there’s no accounting for taste, but geez, Louise.
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
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Yes, Miss ‘Julia Lite’ Hathaway. Moderate versions of extreme features are striking and beautiful in some cases. I prefer a little bit of horseface over the possumface above most days of the week. And while I agree that the blonde’s subjectively more beautiful for most anyone, I think you are heavily discounting the fact she puts work into looking demure and feminine while anne tries to look like a teenage boy. That works heavily against anne, who, again, doesn’t seem to understand how to look feminine.
If you had a girl who grew up pampered, skin care, beauty products, healthy food vs her twin who never knew any better. Burger King 24/7, never payed enough attention to her body and health etc. Who’s going to look better?
As I said most of the time anne is a solid seven because she looks like fast food. Blondie looks like gourmet. Like she knows how to look photoshopped without being photoshopped. But it must have taken her years of practice not to make her possum face be the first thing people notice. Objectively speaking, blondie is shooting above her weight class because she understands how to look feminine and has been taking care of herself with that in mind most of her life (it seems like). Anne is shooting far below, and like I said she has potential.
You are comparing a raw 7 vs a polished 8.5. Objectively they are much closer than you think. Horse vs possum. I prefer horsemeat, even if it don’t know how to carry itself.
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Raccoon not possum. I’m mixing up my rodent family.
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Given that attitude has a nontrivial factor when talking about desirable women…
… and since you yourself admit Ms. Schiffner concerns herself with being “feminine and demure”, whilst Hagaway tries to look like a teenage boy (and succeeds, at least, on THAT account), well….
Gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.
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Heh, heh… you won’t get many gainsayers on attributing an equine phiz to the likes of Roberts, Parker, and perhaps even Hathaway… all those (loxoxlxoxlo) “dark beauties” of a certain persuasion… if not by strict ethnicity, then certainly by appearance.
But you’ll be looking far and wide for corroboration on Schiffner’s likeness to any sort of possum or raccoon.
Sock puppets notwithstanding, of course.
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Demeanor has everything to do with it. That is why Moscow Mistresses take classes. Notice in both those pictures she is looking up at you. Even sitting in a chair eye level with the camera she takes care to tilt her head slightly down. It’s no coincidence you can see a little desire in her eyes. She has girl game and knows how to present herself to the opposite sex. You think your caveman brain isn’t giving her extra brownie points for this? She is trying to appeal to the caveman in you.
Objectively speaking Marilyn Monroe was not attractive. Compare her pre-fame photos and she looks like a different person. She reached sex symbol status almost entirely with her feminine ways. She made people believe a 6 was a 9. Call it presentation, or actualized potential. Makes no dif.
What I admit to is if you lump presentation along with beauty in the 1-10 scale, she wipes the floor with anne. In that case you’d understand anne has no girl game of her own, and there’s squandered potential there.
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My daddy used to say: “Every cat has his favorite rat.”
Hathaway on her best day with her most “come hither” look couldn’t get me to look twice…
… whereas either Claudia or Marilyn could be coming out of the fields after a hard day of picking cotton, and I’d lay out the red carpet.
To each his own, my friend.
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Hi guys,
Regarding the online sausage fest comment. I’ve spent two weeks living in with a HB7 (though the face is a 6).
Once she left for work and forgot to close her OKC account. I was watching House of Cards online, then got bored and checked her profile.
She had 986 new messages in just one week. In 6 months of online “dating” I received about 47 messages, mostly from warthogs. That’s some seriously screwed up ratios.
But heh, out of 900+ guys, I was the one fucking her brains out everyday. So who cares about the sausage fest.
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“hot girls have a lot of suitors and a cultivated sense of timelessness (however short-sighted) to pick and choose among the best men making offers. it’s quite common for such girls to forget about this or that man in their flirting rotation, or to decide upon the flimsiest pretexts to stop talking to a particular man.”
Which is how I become, effortlessly, when I have lots of options. It’s ridiculous how many of the things in game simply apply to humans in general and can be inferred from your own experiences, despite being male. I think most men don’t understand women simply because they have no reference experiences in situations in which women are.
This is why using the tactics of women in seduction works for us too. They’re the tactics of people with options and women tingle for such men.
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[Are you good looking?]
No. Not facially. Body’s good. Height’s good. Face not so much. Kinda feminine. Looked good as a kid though.
[Having social groups is fun in itself. If you don’t like that OR you just play the numbers game and want some sex OR you’re just starting, online might be better.]
Also depends upon what it is that you’re looking for.
I have only been with one unbelievably hot girl in all my life. She was my very first girlfriend. She was an early blooming junior, I was a high schooler.
Now my problem has always been finding these extremely hot girls. The ones Sentient describes as garden variety hot are all around. But I don’t even see that many extreme hotties, let alone meet them.
My question would be – What do you do to ensure you meet a steady supply of those girls, limited in numbers as they are?
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@Sentient – generally agree about inflation in game blogs (indeed in real life when a buddy whose fucked an ugger will tell you “she wasn’t bad” or something.
But I saw a scale posted somewhere – maybe even on CH – a while ago.
Something like this (paraphrasing from memory):
1. Severely grotesquely repulsively deformed. Like can’t look directly at her (or him)
2. Really seriously ugly/deformed.
3. Very ugly
4. Ugly, but not actively repulsive
5. The very definition of average. Nothing repulsive, but nothing good.
6. SLightly above average – maybe “pleasant” looking
7. Clearly above average – an attractive women – probably called “very cute” or “pretty”
8. VERY attractive. Literally a “head turner” – the kind of woman about whom any description will mention good looks.
9. Stunning – women who are actually beautiful. What you call Hollywood actress looks.
10. There is no such thing as an objective 10. There are only 9s who are someone’s “type”
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“Stunning – women who are actually beautiful. What you call Hollywood actress looks.”
That’s not a 9 that’s an 8. A 9 is someone with Natalie Herschlag’s, er, Portman’s face and a banging body. The average Hollywood actress don’t look like that.
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“fuck you thats who”
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I thought he was channeling Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross.
(I’m not posting the video so that this thread doesn’t start churning.)
[CH: yes the line is from GGR. almost. the original reads “fuck you that’s who i am”]
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Good texter? FUCK YOU! Go home and play with your smart phone.
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Always be closing!
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Second place gets a set of steak knives.
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You wanna get out there on Tinder and text, text, and the poon is yours. Otherwise you’ll be shining my iPhone.
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These texts are weak? YOU’RE weak!
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“Fuck YOU, THAT’S my name!”
“You see this watch? This watch costs more than your car.”
“1st price is a Cadillac Eldorado, anybody wanna see second price? Second price’s a set of steak knives.”
“These are the new leads. These are the Glengarrian leads. To you, they are gold and you won’t get them. Why? Because giving them to you, would be throwing them away. They’re for closers.”
Not gonna lie, after I saw this, I started studying for my exams, lifting weights, passed the exams, learned about game and asked out my eventual girlfriend. Boom.
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“The plaque for the alternates is down in the ladies room.”
Switching it up a bit.
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nice try.
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This is a banal exchange, at best.
Tinder and Internet dating are beta and try-hard. If you don’t want to be a tool, force chicks (and yourself) to deal face-to-face. There’s no rapport here, nothing worth pursuing. The mere act of contacting her plays into her frame.
So, yeah, rejecting her beats sucking up to her. But why bother when you can walk into any salon and find a hot chick, start gaming her and increase your odds by 10,000%? Not to mention the time saved.
Good lord people are clueless.
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Ding ding ding.
We have a winner here.
[CH: no.]
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Are you actually suggesting Tindering and Online dating beat walking up to a girl and chatting her up?
[CH: no, but online game isn’t necessarily “beta” or “try-hard” either. that’s just a stupid comment.]
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[CH: no, but online game isn’t necessarily “beta” or “try-hard” either. that’s just a stupid comment.]
If it works for some, good for them. Doesn’t work for me. I only tried that many years ago when I used to be afraid of rejection.
I’m simply unwilling to invest that much effort into building up a profile, and to play a numbers game. IRL it’s less about numbers and more about context.
[CH: what effort? compare: twenty minutes online crafting a profile and texting ten chicks versus meeting ten chicks IRL and chatting them up for a total of five hours to get a couple of numbers that lead to dates. i don’t get this trollish preoccupation with labeling online game as beta try-hard and effortful. now online game may not be the best possible way to sort through women to get to the hot ones, but it certainly has its place in the pantheon of manly seduction strategies.]
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[CH: what effort? compare: twenty minutes online crafting a profile and texting ten chicks versus meeting ten chicks IRL and chatting them up for a total of five hours to get a couple of numbers that lead to dates. i don’t get this trollish preoccupation with labeling online game as beta try-hard and effortful. now online game may not be the best possible way to sort through women to get to the hot ones, but it certainly has its place in the pantheon of manly seduction strategies.]
My experience tells me it’s not the way you say it is.
I didn’t get very many responses online. And no I didn’t do the “ur boobz r pretty wana fuk” rigamarole.
I actually wasted a few hours without getting digits from any attractive girl.
IRL, it doesn’t take an hour a piece to get digits. It takes less than five minutes of convo to get digits and setup a date. Your mileage it seems varies.
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Are you good looking? I have a friend who is really handsome(lol) and he gets laid by cuties from Tinder despite here that app being used mostly by corporate girls while at work and bored. lol.
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I refuse to even text chicks these days. I only call, unless it’s specifically logistics. Any type of digital communication beyond location and time setup kills the vibe. It also amplifies chicks’ flakiness 1000 fold.
Getting a chick on the phone and talking to her allows you to accomplish several things:
1. Screen her for interest so you don’t waste your time setting up a date. If I can’t get a girl on the phone then I know she’s not that interested. It’s also a test of her confidence. And yours, and she knows this.
2. Build a rapport without leaving your fucking couch. (I love this.)
3. And move things along so that when you do meet you’re halfway there.
4. It shows that you refuse to acknowledge her frame.
I would push for face-to-face contact, or phone conversation early, within the first or second exchange. Fuck all this back-and-forth messaging fluff. Get to the real shit. Jeesus christ.
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Gals have their phones with them all the time. So if they don’t answer my call within a day I can safely assume nothing is happening.
And I’ve tested this…until I get the response of ‘no’. If they aren’t responding or initiating, find someone new.
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How does reaching out to her by phone instead of by text alter the frame? You are initiating contact in either case, so starting from her frame in either case.
This may work for you. It doesn’t mean texting doesn’t work though. A short search on this site will find hundreds of examples of text game working just fine. And calling is quite prone to a no answer (due to driving, work, loud music etc.), so what do you do then? Leave a message?
Always leery of guys puffing up and slamming something, touting their way as best etc.
[CH: right. there’s nothing inherently beta about either texting or calling. it’s the style in which they’re executed that matters.]
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“In matters of grave importance, style, not sincerity, is the vital thing.”- Wilde
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If women began communicating with smoke signals – I’d burn down an oak tree and puff out “bring da movies” – but talk is better than text – and touch is better than talk. All this focus on SMV via SMS – I’ve forgotten how to undo a bra-strap…
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I’m not saying texting doesn’t work…I’m saying calling give you a better idea where you stand as opposed to texting.
For one thing you can hear her voice. Second you can get your answer quicker. Basically you can find out if she’s an actress or actually wants to meet up with you.
Then again I only use the phone to set up dates. I keep the conversations relatively short on there. Texting could go on for hours before something is figured out.
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Her reply to FU should stand as amazing evidence of how the sexes differ in behavior. The hardest part of Red Pill-dom (in my mind) is a solid understanding that chicks do not think like guys.
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Girls are not long haired boys. Cats are not dogs.
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For me, it’s been Opposite George. Just do the opposite of what you “think” would work and that will work.
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So yes this approach might work, but based on her attitude displayed so far I would predict train wreck ahead, if so. Just sayin’
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Of course, no one cares what you think.
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I like your username General Riose
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I think that asshole works but not if it’s a reaction to him previously being a pussy. That smacks of overcompensation. I mean you don’t want to come across as hurt as an asshole. Women like vulnerability but that is not it. Women like excessive confidence, but that is not it. If I’m too shy to say what I feel and therefore get a negative reaction, then become an asshole, that’s a diarrhea asshole type shitting all over the place, not a tight little asshole with tight little game. Lame. So I saw in his text that he gave her so much power- ‘what time do you want to meet up”. I thought it would be better to suggest a time- is 6:00 good for you, or do you want to meet up later, rather than being boyish and asking her what time? Yet she responded to his assholeness. He got it started.
When a woman vents or bitches, and a man doesn’t take it personally, she bonds with him. Bonding = loving and the best love-making involves bondage! You wanna make them bond (invest), but at the same time, don’t get bonded yourself, but do get connected. The best way for a man to connect to a woman sexually and romantically might be by regrowing a foreskin.
Anyway does asshole game only work when assholes stand out? I think partly so and partly not. Think of wild boy australian outback game. The men are macho, the woman aren’t. But asshole meaning insensitivity to her feelings- yes, there is a relationship- when everyone is being super validating and sensitive to her feelings, then those who aren’t, who are assholes, will look more appealing- and even if they take it too far, she’ll accept it as being attractive, with a higher degree of tolerance because it’s so rare, precious. She’ll take the thorn with the rose. Opposites attract, in this case. If women are socialized to be nice, then they’ll like the freedom of expression that the asshole promises, if only by association. And if she’s a bitch, she’s not meant to be, she’s just sexually frustrated. A man becoming an asshole above and beyond her bitchiness will tame her and put her in her place, giving her what she wanted all along- but I do believe they want connection, after they’ve been softened by good game. Restore foreskin and learn to enjoy women! I think ultimately they don’t want their energy to affect us that much, but vice versa, want to absorb our energy and state (and assholes are good at changing the energy), yet at the same time they want us to enjoy them, and even lust after them (Jesus called christ be damned). Too few men know how to relish and enjoy a woman- even if he never touches her, and make her realize he’s enjoying her. And I think the degree to which one can be a true asshole is somewhat hemmed in by one’s chosen profession- if you’re a payloader operator, you can afford to have tatoos all around you and cock off. If you’re an accountant or cpa, you have to tone it down. Yet the value of the profession more than compensates for how you’re toned down and you should still be as wild as possible.
And let’s not forget Stockholm syndrome. Being an asshole implies strength (to the extent it is not pussy based reaction formation- but even then!). And women want to bond with the strong. So a few people try asshole, or some little bit of asshole, and pat themselves on the back and revert to their normal character, thinking they’ve changed the world. Only that which is personally sustainable, only gains which are sustainable or lasting matter in the end. Women are capable of most of what men are, but let’s not be ignorant, they are also very different, when it comes to attraction and sexuality. They are in fact like a complete opposite and the truth of the matter is so far away from what’s politically correct or spoken of or even written of anywhere.
They may or may not love the asshole, or feel attraction to him, but they will despise the weakling, the cowardly spineless man with the highest contempt, and resent him if they are bound to him in any way, shape or form.
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Women don’t love vulnerability. They love emotional attainability. Because chicks dig sociopathic traits without necessarily digging sociopathy.
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Should have used the patented CH “Hey Flakey McFlakester”
[CH: the classics never go out of style.]
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Dude be pimpin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drukpa_Kunley
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@ oak tree agreed 100%. Real time, face to face, ASAP. Way better than a long lead up when online dating. And 1000% agreed, just get out in real life and start talking to people. You already sort out the whole chemistry thing instantly, no akward first meeting. It ain’t rocket science.
[CH: chemistry can be initialized online.]
Example: go to hip used book store (or wherever peoe your age who aren’t married might be.)
[most men will be interested in unmarried women younger than their age. it is required.]
Actually look at books, in your area of interest. Look around occasionally. See gal. She smiles at you.
[Don’t even wait for her smile before approaching.]
Walk over, ask a question. Like, “what are you looking at?” After a few sentences, say “want to grab a cup of coffee?” Or some natural thing to do. Talk. Ask her out at an upcoming time or keep it general and just say “i have to go but lets hookup again” and get her number.
Or you could stand there paralyzed, peek through the books at her, make her uncomfortable, she leaves, then you post about it in missed encounters, sit thete waiting for her never to call, and wonder how it all went wrong.
Just kidding! But seriously sometimes it’s just about eliminating anti game.
[that’s the first step. second step is incorporating pro-game.]
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Now hold on just a bit. If you are indeed a woman, it is somewhat disingenuous to make it sound so easy. If men could just talk at women and then the women would follow them off to a coffee shop or a bedroom then this blog wouldn’t exist. Men have to say the right things, and a little conversational miscue, like a girl not laughing at my joke, or a ‘beta’ posture, or an accidental long pause could well be enough to blow the whole thing. Women may want to be approached but just showing up isn’t enough. Why dont you elaborate more on anti game, or go in to detail about what has worked and what hasn’t worked if men have actually approached you.
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If you can project boldness and not giving a ****, I don’t think the words matter much. My ex came up to me the first week of school, got in my face and said “Wow your eyes are the exact color of my BMW.” It was so bold and outrageous and silly/fake try-hard I had to laugh.
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@ Martin yes fair enough. And agreed 100% i probably do not understand the difficulty of that from a male view, indeed. but i do know this, an approach, without at least that, there is no opportunity. and 90% of the time, it may go nowhere. but say 10% it does? thats better than zero, no?
Anti game. That’s a big topic. I will ponder it and post some examples of worked/didn’t work. Except its always so much more than that, each “worked” or “didn’t work” is a lot of detail in itself, but I will try.
I have never dated a guy who didn’t talk to me first, somehow. So there’s that. Approach is essential. I also didnt date every guy who talked to me. So there’s that, for whatever reason it doesn’t always go somewhere. Of the guys I dated, not all ended in a lifelong relationship, again for various reasons. So somewhere in there he or I or both decided it wasn’t a match over some sort of anti game. It’s complex. Basically I see it as a “don’t give up” game. Eventually, given enough chances, something will work.
Naturally for women it’s a different game, with its own pros and cons. Women get approached. Sometimes well. Sometimes not. Sometimes well but the timing is off. Women approaching requires a skill of the nth degree, it’s a dance because women are groomed not to be too direct.
Cat and mouse. It’s a fucking shell game at best and yet here we are! C’est la vie!
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The 1-2-3 of it all is easy, as is described here. What takes time and patience (not that easy) is the practice practice practice of learning from the mistakes and failures to the point it becomes second nature. It’s like chess. The moves are easy to learn and understand. It takes time and practice to become a master.
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@mendozatorres yes! Do you move the pawn or the rook or the knight? What subterfuge will be required to distract while you set up “Checkmate?”
Then, women are flighty as hell. That’s where anti-game kills most. She feels uneasy but doesn’t even know why? Bolt. Just like a doe into the woods. Comfort game is not given nearly enough credit, as I see it.
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And since you all will understand this although I may get lynched by team woman for saying it, use her hypergamy tendencies in your favor. Be the big fish. Every man has a niche. Brain, brawn, money, status, the gift of gab, etc. Work that. Be better than the rest, in her eyes. That’s basically game, no?
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Solid points. Anti-game is the work you put in to remove things that cause you to fuck interactions up and for the girl to bolt into the woods. Removing anti-game has you 90% ahead of the pack. Then you can move on to the more advanced methods.
It then becomes ironic to you that not giving a flying F about a girl (or outcome) removes her flightiness.
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I was reading and thinking WTF is this advice … later saw it was written by a female and everything fell into place
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Once when I was a wee lad I was set up with a girl for a formal social by a dear friend. She disappeared for a while to chat with some other boys and I couldn’t see where she was. I for some reason blurted out “How many cocks did you suck”? when she came back. She didn’t take it lightly and was highly offended which ruined the night for me anyway and probably her as well. The thing is that it is so so much more easy to try to be hostile than to be aloof and come up with a tease under any circumstance. I just think being hostile might mean she has more than 0 respect for you but I believe you are taking yourself out of the game just as well.
[CH: yes, hostility is riskier than aloofness, though still better than beta mewling. hostility has a greater chance of being interpreted by the girl as butthurtness.]
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To be aloof and teasing, when your date is treating you poorly, is unnatural. Your comment was a little too crude, but you had a right to be angry. I don’t think you should hide it. Maybe better just to leave her there, and send all her calls to voice mail over the next few days.
[CH: timing matters. a bitchy girl can be softened with teases and indifference, but if she’s endlessly bitchy, with no improvement in sight, then yeah it’s time to release the pimp hand.]
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“Made you look” has worked for me. Read it here on Heartiste and gave it a shot on a Tinder match who ghosted on me.
But then I remembered it was an hours drive to her city.
[CH: another classic. anything that piques the curiosity of the female hamster will work.]
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Maybe I’m biased here from living in a college town teeming with hot chicks, but the guys I know who use tinder and online dating use them as a way to ostensibly meet chicks while minimizing the risk of rejection, while spending more time using them than an actual approach would require. Maybe “beta” and “try-hard” aren’t the best description. Lazy?
[CH: efficient.]
Am I missing something here?
[online shouldn’t be the primary source of girls. it’s best used as a supplement to meeting girls in real life, if for no other reason than that real life meetings will force a man to improve his seduction skills much faster.]
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Lot’s of pussy from the sounds of it.
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“[online shouldn’t be the primary source of girls. it’s best used as a supplement to meeting girls in real life, if for no other reason than that real life meetings will force a man to improve his seduction skills much faster.]”
BOOM goes the dynamite!
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“.. beauty salonist, self-proclaimed beauty fanatic, high maintenance poss, has nice curves, has fiesty shallow personality.”
OK capiche. That tells us all we need to know. Real Thug Boyfriend took the phone off her, and thrashed her so hard his tribal ink transferred like a potato stamp to her hide. She’s not texting till the casts and neckbrace come off.
You’re talking to a dude. A low-impulse-control one. Who can, impressively, spell well enough. And sounds ghey enough to rape you if he catches you (a habit he picked up inside).
Or, more boringly, you got the number wrong that time somehow.
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I agree with this. The replies are nothing like what you’d expect from a tinderchick with average to above average options. Unless this chick is super high T and super right brained.
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This story, from NPR’s Morning Edition, of all places, should resonate with readers here.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2015/01/16/377239011/by-making-a-game-out-of-rejection-a-man-conquers-fear
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quoradesignatedomega –
You’re innumerate and you don’t get physiognomy.
You don’t get laid either.
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Sure, texting can work fine. The text exchanges I’ve had with girls could fill a university library. It’s obviously preferable to zero communication or smoke signals.
But I’m coming from a place of efficiency now. Calling instead of texting sends the message that you’re setting the bar for communication above hers, something guys don’t typically do. It’s a subtle form of escalation that eliminates the runaround that girls love to give guys.
I still text, but I keep em short. No more than one sentence, five words or less. If I call and have to leave a message, it’s warm and friendly, in sharp contrast to my terse texts. The implication being that if you want anything of substance from me, you’re going to have to either pick up the phone and call or see me in person. I’m not playing along with the tween banter.
That’s what I mean by not playing into her frame.
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FYI – It’s been my experience when a commenter writes something like : “Women are looking for a strong guy who ___won’t compromise their integrity__”
It’s a femibot troll in the waters. This is the logical equivalent of “Game is lying to women to get them to date/sleep with men”. Notice how there is a negative connotation to game by compromising integrity. No a man would never write this way. It’s a female who is probably an alpha widow.
@ Ninja/CH
“I think it’s funny she wrote over a dozen words to someone who is irrelevant to her. ”
^^^
This!
I am always AMAZED by how ladies who blow off fine strapping fellows everyday will ooze out long winded indignant texts after the slightest cursing insult. It’s literally like chick crack in many ways…
KidGlove Theory
The reason why females respond to insult stimulus in a more positive way is due to their environment. Many a beautiful girl has complained to me the sameness of their existence. Nice people open doors for them. Nice people help them with menial tasks. Nice people say pleasant things ALL THE TIME. And even when the beautiful one is a raving bitch nice people continue to treat her well. Most other people interact using KidGloves with beautiful women. Like a sense diffusing bubble wrapped world. The Pretty Girls bounce through life… everyone being so nice.
Until one day a real manly man (who probably is distracted by getting his REAL work done) pricks the bubble wrap and lol all her sense deprived urges comes oozing out. The pretty girl FINALLY has something REAL and IN HER FACE she needs to deal with. WOW HOW EXCITING! Gina gushes start.
It’s a strange fact that women respond best to the outliers of their experience. If a girl is used to the red carpet … pull it out from under her.
And frankly if you want to keep her attention you have to KEEP DOING IT TO… longer than you ever thought a human could take such negative feedback.
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It’s not just that it’s something different, it’s that we WANT a man who doesn’t put up with our shit. The prettier the girl, the more shit she gets to pull, the more tiresome it gets.
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And you consider yourself intellectually equal to a man?
If you’re speaking the truth, you sound like a young spoiled child, not an adult.
I’m beginning to agree with the idea that women shouldn’t vote.
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I sound like a female. And you sound like a man who hasn’t been around many of them.
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Yes, you sound like a female, all right.
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I don’t know if this qualifies as asshole game. I’m out at this karaoke bar right by USF St. Pete. College is 2/3rds female, Half the dudes are gay/incel. The ladies always go out on Thursdays, usually dressed to the nines, lately in miniskirts, backless tops, started seeing kneehighs after Christmas.
Anyway, last night, it’s cold by FL standards (58 and rainy.) When it’s like that, people here wear down jackets and things. Bundled up, if you will. No kneehighs to be seen.
My third song, I go up (and I have a following), they’re out on the dance floor. I say, “Ladies, jeans and boots are not fashion-forward.” Sorta wag my finger at them. They all get mad, whisper to themselves and leave the dance floor in a mass exodus. I think one of them stole my beer.
I sang Possum Kingdom to an empty joint, but how do you think they’re gonna dress next Thursday?
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Had you planned on singing Possum Kingdom before they were on the dance floor or once you saw them on there did you decided to sing that song?
Also, thanks for bringing that song up. Reminds me of the 90s and high school.
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CH, you’ve been busy with the replies today. I like, I like.
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CH, don’t take the bait. Keep it short. Game is life.
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In Smartphone America, dating for men is like fishing. You know you want to catch something to brag about but your pretty happy to catch a lot of fish too. You optimize your situation and you throw your line out – a lot. Over the years, the lake institutes catch and release rules for the younger and smaller fish. Men are converging on the lake with new tech that promises to reach more and more fish. Fish can afford to be choosy. Bate (beta) meat is everywhere.
The female experience is not quite a mirror of the fishing metaphor, however.
The women’s market for dating in Smartphone America is more like a small scale lottery. For all but the most disgusting girls, getting a ticket is pretty easy. Spending the night with a man out your league is not difficult. Fish is fish after all. Getting commitment from him when other girls are knocking is like winning a lottery. Some girls (slim cuties) can afford more tickets than others. When funds are low, girls settle for whatever prize they can get. When they close their at night, they think about that time they were a number away from a jackpot.
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I literally laughed out loud. I think this is freaking great, and I’ve blown off guys who get assholish after I play the “who is this” game. This is different because it’s so over the top, plus he hasn’t been overgaming her so it’s a “surprise” asshole move.
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Asshole being more successful in an ACKNOWLEDGED female centric/favorable Sexual Marketplace:
When the woman knows, and also believes that the man in question also knows, that the men are at a statistical disadvantage because ‘Murikah is becoming a third-world-sausage-fest, she is doubly (or more) impressed with his “fuck you, that’s who!” attitude. She assumes that most men know (their place a pedestalizers) they have to compete with many other men for her affection, and so expects more Beta-esque behavior from her suitors. So, when confronted by an anomaly…a “glitch in the Matrix” she is puzzled, and strangle aroused by a man who gives no fucks about his supposedly suppressed SMV because of the male:female ratio. His “fuck you” attitude makes him even more alpha than it would if the playing field were level. It’s the anti-pedestal when pedestalization is the expected norm.
There is probably an algorithm that could be applied.
(Asshole game effectiveness = (males/females)^2)
The worse the ratio, the more tingles because the more rare and ballsey and alpha a man is perceived to be when he gives no fucks about his supposedly lowered SMV. He is saying “fuck you and fuck the SMV, I get’s my poosey no matter what the ratio.”
Or, to quote one of my favorite Alphas: “Never tell me the odds.”
Han was willing to chance getting them all killed because he had such a ridiculous abundance of confidence, and disregard for the supposed logic of his situation. Tell me Leia wasn’t in need of new panties…
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Han is at his most alpha in this film. From start to finish, he’s in the zone.
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However, he is not the AMOG once Lando comes into the picture…He seems to beta up a little in the face of a well-known, wealthy, successful, powerful, and mysterious player of a soul-brotha when Lando continues to press for Leia’s poosey. You can tell Han feels he is outmatched by Lando, and a little insecure and does a lot of mate-guarding, like a beta. Fortunately for him, Leia’s poosey had already chosen him and says “I love you” before he is frozen, and his response was kick ass, “I know.” Those were strong last words from a man who was as good as dead and probably didn’t expect to ever see her again. That probably kept the tingles alive while she was without him and from then on she was locked into getting his dick unfrozen. Even though Lando (now seen as a cowardly traitor for selling out to Vader) was alone with her in the Millenium Falcon, he got no play. Lando probably could have made another run at her without Han getting in the way…but he seems to give up.
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Good point, but he does admit that Lando’s a scoundrel, jokingly adding that that’s someone Leia would like. In that sense, he doesn’t trust Lando, but given their circumstances, it’s the best solution.
I can understand the mate-guarding to a degree, however it seems that since he and Lando went way back, he figured something would be up his sleeve and sure enough he was right. I don’t think it was solely to protect his women, seeing as though he had feelings for her, she wasn’t his gal. He just didn’t trust Lando 100%. Like he tells Chewy, keep your eyes open.
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CH,
Game works…even for Justin Bieber.
See:
Never Say Never! Selena Gomez and Justin Bieber spotted on romantic dinner date… before he takes her back to hotel
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2913808/Never-Say-Never-Selena-Gomez-seen-date-Justin-Bieber-takes-hotel.html
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The asshole game works because of the way it forcefully defies attractive women’s expectations. Women are on autopilot, and feast daily on the attention of suck up men. They are gorged and full. And so they walk around in a sleepy autopilot mode, where they are never challenged, never contradicted, and handed every opportunity to glide through life….without any merit other than their appearance. Every American man needs to have this fact branded on their brain. Asshole game is reacting with defiance…against this disgusting, self absorbed reality which girls thrust upon you. I still get jolted back to reality occasionally… after forgetting how critical it is to undermine their bloating self esteem. This is why blue pillers see game in an evil and manipulative light. They have no negative feelings (or awareness) of women’s entitled behavior…so when men defy the system (shit in women’s selfishness) betas see cruelty, or manipulation without the proper context. Red pillers see it as a logical way of getting what was once gotten through more civilized means: female love and attention.
At first you fake the asshole: then after enough red pill living, you won’t be able to tolerate women’s bullshit narcissism. Then it’s a matter of not going too far in the opposite direction…being so angry that you repel women with your hatred of them. Defying women without bitterness….that’s the ticket.
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“At first you fake the asshole: then after enough red pill living, you won’t be able to tolerate women’s bullshit narcissism. Then it’s a matter of not going too far in the opposite direction…being so angry that you repel women with your hatred of them. Defying women without bitterness….that’s the ticket.”
nicely put
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“Hey, remember me, Frodo Baggins? We talked about ice cream and kittens. You still interested in continuing our scintillating chat?”
Actually, if you wrote this verbatim and not the generic “Hi, I’m Mike, we met at Buffalo Wild Wings on Wednesday” it’s alluding to, you might get some traction. It’s a pretty fucking hilarious sarcastic thing to say.
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I’m going to share. The “fuck you that’s who” idea works.
I’ve been trying this recently on a series of girls I’m gaming or banging who either disappear or go off.
I lay down the law. Some might call this beta, but in one case, the girl was constantly late and complaining.
Long story short I texted her I thought her lateness was disrespectful and if she ever wanted to see me again not to make threats of withdrawing sex unless I did something.
We met up…she was on time….no complaints, banged my brains out, dressed up.
Another situation involved calling a girl out for lying. She immediately started to get friendly again, offering various olive branches which I accepted…but then I had the upper hand so to go ghost on her would be butt hurt.
The trick here is consistency and surprise. If you establish an alpha/dominant frame from the start and then flip out…it’s ok.
If you’re “nice guy” and flip out….doesn’t work. I’ve tried both approaches.
Also, you have to lay down the law early and be specific in your criticism.
“Your lateness is disrespectful…”
NOT “you’re pissing me off show up on time”…
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If there are more men than women (effectively), men are replaceable. Hence women move from long to short-term mating strategies. For a short-term mating strategy, alpha asshole beats beta provider.
Conversely, in a situation where there are more women and women are replaceable, a beta’s desirable because he’s loyal and won’t run off with one of your competitors.
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No one appears to have answered the challenge.
In a paper published recently in the Royal Society of Science journal:
“Sex ratio effects on reproductive strategies in humans”
http://rsos.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/2/1/140402
The author states that in Adult Sex Ratios that are male-biased, meaning an abundance of males, that males will tend to offer more Parental Investment as means of furthering patrimony instead of attempting to mate with more women.
The author further stipulates his model goes against the previous assertions of Darwin and Bateman of their famous distinction between men’s and women’s mating strategies, between choosy, coy females and ardent, promiscuous males. The prior idea was that males will increase mating activity, fight more, etc in the face of a surplus of males.
I would agree somewhat with the author. One of the agreed upon bases of monogamy was “space”. In species that have more “space” between the animals, it is hard and of less utility for one male to dominate the mating. And “time” is sort of a “space” unto itself. So if there are fewer women relative to the number of males then actually having one as opposed to not having one infers the male will have greater patrimony if he provides parental investment in the offspring from the mating that he has.
So the author states that it is in the best interest of the males for them to actually give the women “what they want” in order to maintain access to the mating.
The author also poses this idea of sociosexual orientation inventory (SOI). These sociosexuality scores are used to evaluate an individual’s willingness to engage in uncommitted sexuality activity. Individuals who score high on the SOI scale (termed ‘less restricted’) evince a reproductive strategy of multiple short-term relationships and low PI; those scoring low on the SOI scale (‘more restricted’) prefer longer term relationships with higher PI.
Males have an SOI that is a function of a community’s Adult Sex Ratio (ASR). When there are more females than males, then the males will have a higher SOI. If the ASR moves to a more male biased ratio, (more males) then the male SOI will reduce.
The reverse is the case for females. In an ASR that favors males, more female than males, then the females will have a lower SOI. They will attempt to demand more monogamy and more parental investment from males. When the ratio favors females, more males then females, then the female SOI will increase. Females will be more open to short term sexual relationships.
I guess to answer the challenge then, I would assume that to “placate” her as opposed to asshole game, would signal a “lack” of mating access, hence a lower status. To play the asshole card leaves some doubt, you might be a high status male with an “abundance” of sexual options, or you might just be an asshole. But there remains some doubt as to which and the benefit of scoring a high status male will pique her interest.
Of interest to me in the paper, the scales of Adult Sexual Ratio went from .9 to 1.4. Where a number less than 1.0 indicates more females than males. And a number greater than 1.0 indicated more males than females. I find the range, a lower bound where there were 9 males for 10 females and an upper bound where there might be 14 males for 10 females, to be of interest and pertinent to today’s Adult Sex Ratio. I determine that a male bias in ASR creates further male bias. And the reverse, a female bias, will not exist for a very long time until mating balances out the bias.
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The hilarity here is that any answer to ‘who is this’ is better than saying what beta men say, which is tell them who they are and where they met. Even some ridiculous idiocy like ‘I’m your daddy and I want to come and spank you’ probably has more success. lol
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Just be rude.. girls like answering rude texts.
Rachhh! Cat got your tongue dickhead??
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“My cock” that’s who
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LOL, the dude who was texting got totally blown off by the girl. Talk about confirmation bias. I can assure you he went nowhere with this girl, who basically told him to get lost.
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“LOL, the dude who was texting got totally blown off by the girl.”
Chode detected. Men who do well with women usually don’t pleasure from seeing other men try and fail.
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Ah, the chateau finally sprung for another chode meter!
The last one went off the scale so many times the dial broke.
Hope this is the custom version model we ordered… the one where the scale goes to 11…
… cause that’s one more, in’nt it?
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GuitarGuy has a point. The guy obviously got rejected in the sense that he would have gone nowhere with the girl (the game was over when she did the “who are you” shit test) but CH’s point is that his response (or just an asshole response in general) is better than some beta suckup response telling her who he was.
He got an emotional response out of her and ended with some self-respect. And he MAY have left the door open a tiny bit to reengage her later. A beta response would never have got that.
Personally I wouldn’t have gone with the “fuck you” because that just comes across as butthurt but the principle is sound.
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prodding a ghost girl to reengage by telling her “fuck you that’s who it is”
These days I take photos to go with everyone on my phone so that I can see who “Dee”, “Darlene”, etc. is, since after a year I have no idea who this person is, or why I have their number. So I clean out my phone these days of those entries since I found having several hundred contacts on your phone is useless. So while I have them offloaded, I still had no idea who they were so I started texting them after I’ve loaded them back onto my phone. “Have no idea who your are Dee, why I know you, or why you are in my phone – so have a look, if you recognize me let me know how we met and send a photo so I can add it so I don’t forget you again.” With most of these women I wasn’t trying to “re-engage” just wanted to clean out my phone. Many were no answers – so they got deleted and blocked after a couple of days – nice app (had it written by an intern a while ago) that doesn’t show them but keeps the number – actually did get a response from some of those, as the app kept them and you could go through them and actually permanently block them or keep them in the “don’t show” category.
But most of the time I would get a response – some not so nice – usually along the lines of old pump-and-dumps, one was an old core woman – that wasn’t pretty since she didn’t expect to be forgotten – How was I to know Evelyn was “Eve” on my phone? – but most of them were from women that wanted to get together again. There was one that was just a picture of a vagina with the name – “great lay” – it was a nice one, but still not much of a hint. I had to be drunk when I did it – but found out she was “Cindy” and now married but apparently not happily as she responded very positively – and the description was accurate as I found, just not useful on a phone. So now I have a face that goes with the vagina. That text, I went round and round on what to send…
So, I’ve always found revisiting the past can be exhausting, fun, shocking, but always interesting.. 🙂 Oh – the “business” phone is a different beast, as is the one for China – Chinese women are a different animal entirely from American women – so I never mix business with pleasure, although some of the women I met through business are on the “pleasure” phone. 😉
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Uhm I found his response very tacky and immature. But what does an oldie like me know. 💀
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From my experience when you get the “who is this” and there has been at least one conversation exchange (1 Txt each) and you met her in person…
…she knows who it is.
Suggedtions:
-Respond at least 2 hours later with a populate male actor: “Leo DiCaprio”
-assume the sale: 2 hours later respond: “nerd. let’s do 8pm instead”
-if you remember she took to your comedy, some lighter fun ones always work:
-man of your dreams
-Channing Tatum’s cousin
*and you can throw in a fact you know about her. For example, she’s a nurse. You can say: “dr. Johnson from surgery upstairs”
Here you’re using a logic trap. Subtext is you’re giving her another chance for shit testing and being a chicken head.
Another is to roll through it and be condescending a little:
2 hours later: “righht…dork” If she reacts harshly to this, you’ve saved yourself lots of time and screened out a headcase. Regardless now her hamster will be burning bearings off the wheel…
Funny part like the OP mentions…don’t be surprised when it works. And you get a txt back….”oh is this blah blah? sorry got new phone.” Then the more ammusing part is meeting up with her to see she has the same phone. Lol…
With high SMV women they get so many #s all the time and lots of Txt activity daily. So before you determine its a personal shit test against you, it may just be a casual disdisregard or trivial response.
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Wow, talk about over analyzing. Just tell her who it is. Simple.
This guys response had insecure, oversensitive and beta written all over it.
If she were to then come back with “I don’t know you” or does not respond then you simply drop it.
Part of being Alpha is not taking these things personally and moving on. Some of the deadliest game is when you don’t’ respond to their test because it tears them apart. Eventually they wiggle their way back unless it was a new contact.
The problem for guys is their ego is so sensitive women can get the reaction they want very easily.
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Women can smell insecure a mile away. Recently I sent a text to a women and she did not reply(went ghost). I am married and still had enough sense to stop. Well sure enough I get this text from her 3 days later about how she just got the text and her service sucks, blah, blah… Was hilarious!
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Ahhh, online “dating”. I had oral sex with a bona fide good girl met via the internet over the weekend. I occasionally have visions, and after the dirty act, as I was going to sleep, I had a vision of myself trapped inside a coffin of some sort, clawing to get out. I’m worried that my soul is bound for hell, and I regret what I did, and didn’t intend to do so. She suggested it, but I willingly went along. My approach will be entirely different in future: every relationship or interaction with a romantic prospect has to be entirely on my own terms. It’s a reverse of the precious virgin who insists upon marriage if a man has defiled her – my soul is too important to throw away for a slit that smells of piss, or for a pathetic ejaculation. It has been repeatedly emphasised by different deities throughout history that the gods frown upon extra-marital sex. I’m worried that if I can’t raise my standards towards divinity, that I’ll be cast down to somewhere terrifying to endure retribution. For how long, I don’t know. The only women I’ll consider as romantic prospects have to be willing to embrace and join me on my quest for salvation and godliness, and they’ll have to be willing to embrace a life of poverty. Then they’re viable marriage material. YMMV
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Women in America are used to having a stable of Beta Boys waiting to suck her proverbial cock at the drop of a hat. An abundance of gameless twats fawning over her every verbal defecation brings American women to a mindset of disdain and disrespect for the men who give them the very attention they crave. Typically, these are the super hot women in their 20s who love making men compete for a taste of their Swamp Beast. In a few more years, about half of them will convince some poor chump to marry her, and the other half will evolve into shrill harpies crying duck-faced on Tumblr proclaiming the global dearth of GoodMen™.
There are many ways to deal with these jaded sluts, but “nuking her Casper hamster” out of orbit is by far the most interesting.
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Me, I would have said something like:
“This is Dr. Hotchkiss of the Organ Transplant clinic… just calling to let you know your brain is ready.”
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