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How To Play The Preselection Game

January 20, 2015 by CH

Commenter Meet Isolate Escalate has a game question dealing with preselection.

Has anyone ever purposefully met up with a good looking girl to demonstrate value to someone (another potential) he knows will be present?

Yes, but then what usually happens is a redirection of my attention to the good-looking girl I’m using as a prop. The burdens of being a man!

I can easily pull this off in such a manner that not only am I meeting with a hottie (flaky one from the past that I barely trust) just to see what she says, but I can double it up with social value on a much younger girl. Is there a caution or precaution that I must take with this situation?

Studies have consistently shown that female preselection makes a man more attractive to women. The inverse is not true. (Other men are not more attracted to the homely girlfriends or wives of high status men.)

Therefore, preselection is a valuable weapon in a man’s arsenal of seduction. When you can leverage it, do so.

The rules of the preselection game are simple.

1. Be seen with high SMV (sexual market value) girls, preferably younger hotter tighter than your designated target(s).

2. Be opaque about your female company’s relationship with you.

3. Know when to discharge your preselection pawn for your primary lust interest.

4. Don’t be obvious about it.

Rule number 1 is the most fluid. If your targets are typically 2s (waysa?), then your PPs (preselection pawns) needn’t be hotties. You can achieve the same effect with 3s on your arm. Preselection even works with PPs who are equally attractive (or unattractive) as your targets. The only scenario where PP won’t work, (and in fact you’ll hurt your chances more than if you had gone out alone), is when your PP is much uglier than your targets. Don’t expect to raise many inquisitive hottie eyebrows with a fat chick by your sides.

(The use of the word “target” is designed to infuriate those tradcon readers who bristle at the efficient reduction of women into jargony set pieces.)

Rule number 2 is easy enough. When asked, allude to your PP as “a very close friend”. Leave it at that. If pressed, strike a pose of indignation. “Are we playing the 20 Questions game already?” If pressed further, accuse her of jealousy. Congratulations, you are now officially being chased by a woman. Life just got a lot easier.

Rule number 3 is the most difficult to master. You should have established nonverbal cues with your PP to notify her when it’s time she makes a graceful exit. Don’t be afraid of coaching a PP on what to say (chicks love this sort of manufactured matchmaker drama). Have her leave you with flourish. I like to have PPs call me by a nickname flush with sexual innuendo, so that the girl I’m with has a reason to ask what it means. For example:

PP: “See you around, Golden God.”

Girl: “Why did she call you Golden God?”

The Sexorcist: “Who knows. Gratitude?”

Naturally, there will be times (most times, if experience tells) when your PP will be in the dark about your true intention to utilize her as a walking pheromone for attracting other women. If you have invited your PP under false pretexts, then Rule 3 won’t be a cooperative venture; you’ll be on your own taking the initiative to dismiss yourself from your PP’s company so that you can spend quality time with your target.

WARNING: If your PP harbors an unresolved desire for you, perfunctorily dismissing her to be with another woman carries the risk of one, two or all combatants making a scene. A scene can work in your favor, but not if you’re a beta newb. I have seen betas chew off more drama than they can digest, and the results are hilarious. “Stampeded underfoot” is a term that comes to mind.

Anyhow, the proper method for extracting yourself from your duped PP’s company is… slip out the back.

Not really kidding. This will work. Once. After that, your PP may be reticent to go out with you.

So, an exit with the long view in mind:

Get cozy with your target. Touch, smile, gaze. Any PP who previously accompanied you and who isn’t a social cripple will catch the flirty signals and leave you two alone. If you feel bad about abandoning your PP, use her impending discomfort as an opportunity to swap numbers with your target and leave her wanting more, providing the handy excuse that your “friend” has to be someplace else and you promised to go with her.

(FYI, PPs can also be on-the-fly, which is a worthy topic best left for another post.)

Rule number 4 is the most important rule to get right. If it’s apparent to everyone with a woman’s IQ that you’re really interested in some other girl than the one you have with you, the ruse will falter. You’ve got to at least put up a decent front that your hottie pawn is with you not as a courtesy, but as a mysterious friend who may or may not be your lover. If your pawn bolts as soon as she sees some other dude, or you dump her at the first sight of your target, the game is likely to unravel. Play the full board. This is a marathon through very scenic countryside, not a foot race through the red light district.

I hope this helps, young Pantywan. May the pudendum rise to meet you, may your thrust be ever at her crack.

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  1. on January 20, 2015 at 12:42 pm How To Play The Preselection Game | Neoreactive

    […] How To Play The Preselection Game […]

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 1:17 pm The Man Who Was . . .

      The objective attractiveness of the girls you are using to demonstrate preselection doesn’t matter as much as you might think. What matters most is that they be thin and well dressed.

      Women aren’t particularly attuned to the niceties of facial attractiveness, but they sure know who is fat and who is dressed poorly.

      So, you should focus on well dressed butterfaces, who are less intimidating to you as a man and who should be more willing (on average) to talk to you.

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      • on January 20, 2015 at 2:00 pm trav777

        it really doesn’t matter at all…even if the chick isn’t all that hot, your attention on her and not the other girl will be enough. The claws come out.

        I got eyeraped more by women with a medium chick, short cutish Asian girl, not a looker but she was the only one that ever made me laugh than with a 10. With the 10s, the other girls are straight up flat fking intimidated. You can see it in their eyes; they spend most of their time looking at her and not you.

        When girls see me with such an object, they basically know they have no shot whatsoever. They display fear signs more than anything else.

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      • on January 20, 2015 at 3:14 pm Anton

        Truth. But for targets over 25, younger also is very helpful.

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  2. on January 20, 2015 at 12:43 pm How To Play The Preselection Game | Manosphere.com

    […] How To Play The Preselection Game […]

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  3. on January 20, 2015 at 12:51 pm YaReally

    This is a Pivot in PUA terms, very common to use them in pickup. Check out Mystery Method and Tyler stuff on how else to use them. Other phrases to look up are Pawns, “merging sets forward”, “short set method” and general group theory.

    Also here’s an hour of absolute gold, every fuckin word. This one should go viral in the manosphere and red pill communities:

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 1:08 pm newlyaloof

      @YaReally, good to see you back, man!

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      • on January 20, 2015 at 3:56 pm The Spirit Within

        He’s like a frightened little fish that swims away whenever the conversation departs from game.

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      • on January 20, 2015 at 8:40 pm Lucky White Male

        Agreed – good to have Ya Really back

        Completely ridiculous what the MSM did to Julian.

        Btw, I saw that Vimeo banned both Tom Torero and Krauser after agreeing to host their seminars. The reason “PUA” – lol.

        Never forget: nothing more threatening than Red Pill/PUA

        truly the opening the rabbit hole they will do anything to keep closed

        What Manosphere needs is some heavy hitter donors to start funding the effort. It is only a matter of time.

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      • on January 20, 2015 at 11:10 pm YaReally

        @Spirit
        Some things are worth my time and some things aren’t. I don’t have any interest debating politics and race bait with people here, there’s nothing eye-opening I’m going to learn from people like Greg and Thwack lol

        @newlyaloof @Naz
        Thanks guys, still in ghost mode just wanted to share this vid ’cause it’s rock solid esp for us late-20s early-30s guys who have friends settling down into various relationships willingly/unwillingly etc. and/or are looking to nail down more solid LTRs VS in our 20s (not me, I’ll be taking down new poon when I’m 45 lol but I’m in a lot of discussions with buddies these days about this shit as their GFs are all nagging them to settle down). Got a solid year of hard work ahead of me but I’m on track. Vids like the above are good motivation for it lol Everything I’m doing right now will allow me to coast and enjoy pickup till I’m an old geezer (and will also help build my social circles/network to create a supply of available poon when I’m too old to bar hop and have to rely on social circle game) so it’s a necessary evil.

        Sarging is down to once a month with a PUA buddy and online game thru the winter, but in the summer I should be able to get back to 2 nights a week and ditch the online shit lol and be back to regular sarging by next winter. I’ll have a month or two adjustment shaking off the cobwebs in the summer but that’s alright ’cause I expect to be rusty so I’ll be mentally prepared to metaphorically not be able to lift the same weights I used to after taking a year off from the gym, till I get my momentum back.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 12:17 pm anon

        I say stop pressuring him to post , it helps the guys depending on him to start trying to solve their own shit and it gives other people like sentient the opportunity to fill in the gap to the point that now we have more than one brilliant commenter

        though it’s great that he still posts atleast once a week to remind us he hasn’t abandoned this ship

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 12:22 pm CH

        one can’t help but notice the commenters giving yareally shit have, in the large, contributed far less value than he has contributed to the curious reader.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 2:33 pm no

        The reaction to puas would not be so grandiose if puas were not effective to some extent. More than anything puas put to death any notions of gender as a social construct.

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      • on January 22, 2015 at 6:24 am Sentient

        I’ll just say yareally has brilliant brilliant insights into female communication and subcommunication. Nearly every post is pithy. And most of game is sex blind, it works on men as much as women, kids, family, work etc.

        I wish he would write a dense digestible book. Funding is available.

        What you guys do with the tools you are given is up to you. Don’t blame the maker.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 8:28 pm Naz

      Welcome back. How’s the work project going?

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 2:30 pm no

      Just be seen comfortably interacting with beautiful women and the word will get out.

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 9:10 pm GEO

      Good to see you back. Forget 45, you can take down undergrad poon well into your 50s, no problem

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  4. on January 20, 2015 at 12:55 pm Maine Dad

    She’s called throw-bait. Just there to chum the water and attract the fish you want.

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 6:19 am Captain Obvious

      C’mon, dude, even a nihilist like Immanuel Kant knew that that shit was evil. Upthread from here, YaReally is taking some heat [for whatever], but from what I’ve read of him in the past, at least YaReally actually enjoys the company of women. If she’s on your arm, then you have a responsibility to enable her to have a fun time, so at least set her up with one of your homeboyz with whom she might have some strong natural chemistry. tldr; == A true Pick Up Artist [who cares about the Art] is a GENTLEMAN, not a thug. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_to_an_end

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  5. on January 20, 2015 at 12:56 pm Ian Ironwood

    Excellent advice here. But you don’t have to have direct evidence of a PP in order to invoke the Preselection buff.

    Receiving hot sexts from a PP (or apparent PP) all night is certainly a way; I’ve known men who used a pair of casually discarded panties in their car, saved irate voicemails from crazy horny beyatches simultaneously calling them assholes and begging for more dick, even something as innocuous as a tampon wrapper in your bathroom trash . . . what counts is the idea that other women are sniffing around you.

    While direct evidence of that through use of a PP is helpful, as the man says, it carries a certain risk as well. Some women will feel intimidated, not challenged, by your PP, others will obsess with her and forget about you. But more scant evidence about how much you are in play can drive home the point subtextually, which can be particularly effective.

    Get your wings to ask you about “that crazy girl” in front of your target and ask if you’re still fucking her. Refuse to talk about your exes, saying instead “I’m through with bad girls after tonight!” Any time you can convey that you’ve got the possibility of hooking up with a hot chick for crazy sex later, you’ve given your targets all the justification they need to dust off their hamsters and figure out just how to maneuver you away from that certain pit of poon and toward her more gentle and exotic charms. Women love opportunistically, and if they witness an opportunity to replace some other chick in your line-up, they count it as a victory.

    Women hate the thought of other women getting laid more than they are. Use that.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 2:10 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      I live alone and an ex I had sex with forgot her lipstick here. I kept teasing her about it being my souvenir now when she demanded back because I figured it wouldn’t hurt having a lipstick around for girls to see. I also kept my old toothbrush because I need it for other purposes, but for the time being I put it in a travel case in the bathroom.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 8:05 am Captain Obvious

        Beginners could easily fake this shit, by purchasing some liptick and making it look used [put it on your lips and “kiss” the toilet paper and then leave the “kissed” toilet paper in the bathroom with the lipstick]. Just make sure that you go to Nordstrom and get the expensive stuff [Chanel or maybe Dior], because if you go to Walmart and get the cheap YKWish crap like Revlon, then she’ll think that you settle for noggettes. PS: While you are at Nordstrom, practice your Day Game on the cosmetics sales gals – they are some of the most feminine chicks you will ever meet.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 8:13 am Captain Obvious

        And when you’re running a con, you need a background story. Q: What kind of girl would just leave such an expensive lipstick lying around your apartment, huh? Huh? A: I was dating a French Lit major. She’s spending her semester abroad in Paris. I think she’s a trust fund baby or something.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 8:24 am Captain Obvious

        > “put it on your lips and “kiss” the toilet paper and then leave the “kissed” toilet paper in the bathroom with the lipstick”

        And that could be a really good excuse to get another chick involved – tell her about the con and that you need her to kiss the toilet paper for you – chicks LOVE devious shiznat like that.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 8:36 am Captain Obvious

        Partner in Crime Chick: “B-b-b-but that’s so EVIL! It’s like totally fake or something.” Prince of Darkness: “Then we’ll spend the night together and make it real and tomorrow morning you’ll kiss the toilet paper for me.” Here it really helps if Partner in Crime Chick already has a couple of glasses of Chardonnay in her: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2886075/Why-DOES-white-wine-send-women-crazy-tears-tantrums-MailOnline-investigates-particular-drink-causes-carnage.html

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  6. on January 20, 2015 at 1:01 pm Amy

    “The inverse is not true. (Other men are not more attracted to the homely girlfriends or wives of high status men.)”

    What if the girl is attractive and with a low-status man? Does your opinion of her attractiveness change? Do you even notice?

    [CH: her attractiveness doesn’t change. and yes, we do notice it. mostly, we notice and ask ourselves, “what does he have going on to score a hot babe like that?” then we take bets whether it’s a big dick, big bank account, or big personality.]

    Let’s say I want to make a guy jealous. Will my success or failure have anything to do with the perceived value of the man I’m with? I’ve always been curious about this.

    [if you make out with an ugly man, the other guy will still be jealous, but now he’ll also be angry because he lost a shot with a woman evidence shows he could have gotten.]

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 1:22 pm Arbiter

      Your success or failure would depend on how you treat that other man. If you get angry at him and leave, then hey, some other guy might have a shot. If you smile and swoon, then chances are it’s easier to go for a single chick.

      What if the girl is attractive and with a low-status man? Does your opinion of her attractiveness change? Do you even notice?

      My first reaction is that it’s annoying to see. I’ll be fairly certain they will break up eventually if his market value seems a lot lower, so it’s annoying to meet the girl before the break-up. Even if it’s a given it could still take months. I’m thinking of one case especially: the girl was hot and had a great personality, the guy had wormy lips and curly black hair and never smiled or approved of anything. She was with him because they were in the same class and had started dating right away in the first year. A typical case of being inexperienced and taking the first offer, as you sometimes see in college. I knew she would break up with him eventually, and sure enough she did, but by then I had moved.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 1:47 pm Nope

      “Let’s say I want to make a guy jealous…..”

      1. Chicks don’t have to do this. You want him, let him know. Otherwise it’s a cruel game. He’s prolly harboring jealousy anyway but not visibly.
      2. Making someone jealous on purpose is toying with them. Fuck that.
      3. This is a perfect example of the fundamental differences between men and women. Men HAVE to resort to games, whereas women choose to play games because the regular way just isn’t stimulating enough, they’re bored, whatever.

      You wanna make every man in the room wonder WTF? Make yourself up to your hottest, go find the ugliest, nastiest, heaviest dyke you can, and just make out with her in full view. Sweetly reject all male attention (not nuclear), then just before you bounce, abandon your dyke and grab the pointdexter in the corner, then leave together.

      Easier just to not fuck with guys’ minds in the first place.

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      • on January 20, 2015 at 2:00 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        “Men HAVE to resort to games, whereas women choose to play games because the regular way just isn’t stimulating enough, they’re bored, whatever.”
        I think games are fun too. I’d get bored if all the ugly women that would fuck me would let me know they want me. During my university years, I had two such girls be more and more obvious. One called me and asked me to have lunch and I flaked on her so that she’d leave me the fuck alone and the other one was both virgin and ugly. Due to her virginity, she sucked at being discrete. She tried to be indirect, but everyone knew she wants the D. I had to obliquely ridicule her and then outright ignore her for a semester for her to desist her stuff. I don’t know what the heck was up with her because I’ve NEVER flirted with her. Maybe I flirted with other girls in front of her and she liked it or something. Maybe simply because there were only a few guys compared to the girls. I don’t know, but I didn’t like it. So yes, games ARE fun.

        And in relationships, games are all the spice. The only enjoyment I get out of relationships is the emotional experiences they can provide and that doesn’t just happen.

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      • on January 20, 2015 at 4:29 pm Amy

        “1. Chicks don’t have to do this. You want him, let him know. Otherwise it’s a cruel game. He’s prolly harboring jealousy anyway but not visibly.
        2. Making someone jealous on purpose is toying with them. Fuck that.
        3. This is a perfect example of the fundamental differences between men and women. Men HAVE to resort to games, whereas women choose to play games because the regular way just isn’t stimulating enough, they’re bored, whatever.”

        Oh nonsense. A little jealousy works well in certain circumstances. I don’t do it for kicks or to be cruel.

        Because women do use pre-selection to assess a man’s value, it’s hard to get my head around the idea that men truly don’t care. But I believe you. Just FTR I’m not talking about grabbing and making out with some random guy in a bar to make another random guy jealous. I’m talking about (for example*) a situation where you want to make your ex jealous because you want him back, and you think he might still be into you. In a scenario like that, a girl’s thinking would be “I have to show up with a really hot guy to make him jealous!” But apparently the hotness of the guy doesn’t matter… he’ll either care you’re with another man or he won’t.

        *This is not something I’m planning on doing (although I’ve done it in the past) so don’t yell at me. Lol. I’m just curious about the male mind.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 12:20 pm Anonymous

        @pijama

        Maybe she thought you were good looking. To think that women can only be attracted to you through game is autistic

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 1:50 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      I will complete what CH said. Making out with a guy that’s beneath me would make me think you’re both slutty(aka lost a shot with a woman evidence shows I could have gotten) and that you’re stupid for selling yourself short. In the case you don’t inspire sexy thoughts, I just wouldn’t care whatever you did.

      There are two types of girls I’m not attracted to:
      1)ugly ones: in this case I wouldn’t care no matter what she did. It would be like feeling jealous because my neighbor has a shittier car than me. These are the girls I wouldn’t fuck if they were the last on this planet, unless they paid me well enough. There’s a girl in your picture I’d only fuck if she seduced me and not the other way around.
      2)girls with really pretty faces, but bodies that don’t inspire anything sexual to me(no boobs and no ass and not showing much skin): I wouldn’t feel jealous, but I’d think she’s stupid if she sold herself short. There’s another girl in your picture that could fit this category, but the picture is low resolution.

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      • on January 20, 2015 at 2:30 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

        “There’s a girl in your picture I’d only fuck if she seduced me and not the other way around.”

        Haha, that’s gotta be the orange Oompa Loompa on the far left.

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      • on January 20, 2015 at 3:00 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        I’m a gentleman, so not telling, but yes, it’s that one. lol.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 2:02 pm trav777

      nevermind all of this thinking stuff…what are you wearing?

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 3:19 pm Anton

      Or, if you’re all over some random ugly dude, the guy may just think you are trying to make him jealous…better to have the random guy be a stud…

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 8:04 pm Anon

      then we take bets whether it’s a big dick, big bank account, or big personality

      I notice that CH didn’t include ‘solid game’ as a possibility.

      Was this an accidental admission that Game only works on some of the chicks some of the time, and is unlikely to lead to a sustained LTR with a hottie?

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 7:21 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Big personality = solid game. What do you think he meant by that? That he buys her flowers daily?

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 2:25 pm no

        You would assume since most men have close to zero actual game so instead they have to muster enough external value otherwise or they stand little chance.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 9:41 pm Ang Aamer

      Is it white knighting to provide “clear” answers to a females man problems?
      🙂

      It’s an interesting thing that we preach “don’t give straight answers to a woman” and here we have yet another Amy question… and we give straight answers.

      The real answer is… if you want to make a man jealous you are desiring the wrong thing. If you want to have a man you seduce him… don’t play around… you seduce him.

      A tale of two women…
      One woman I broke up with decided to play the plan B/jealousy card by dating an old boyfriend. I responded by banging chicks until my thoughts of her were dulled.

      Another woman I broke up with invited me to a concert I wanted to go to. Cooked me dinner before the concert and with candlelight dancing in her eyes… threw herself at me. No negotiations. No quid pro quo… just she desired to have me again.

      Guess which one I am still married to and which one was the jilted fiance.

      If you want a man go get him and leave your ego at the door. If you are trying to make a man jealous you are trying to get the man on female terms. And if you succeed with your ploy you will be disappointed he fell for it.

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 12:58 am Glengarry

      Perceived value of the man, eh? Let’s see. You’re with a homeless man or weed loving wigger. OK, obviously you have some weird issues to work out. Next forever. You’re with my boss. Mmm, too pointed a choice. Next. You’re with a friend of mine. I don’t like leftovers. Next. You’re with my mentor. Not worth it. Next. You’re with my enemy. OK, I might hit that raw to spite him. You’re with an NBA player. Ewww.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm no

        He’s going to be the angry jealous beta guy in this scenario

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 2:19 pm no

      Depending on the location you could be considered more dtf and will get advanced on hard further testing your partner’s resolve to put up with the shit that goes with being seen with you.

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  7. on January 20, 2015 at 1:05 pm Reader

    CH,

    A must read book review on book by French New Right writer on sexual deviance:

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/01/guillaume-fayes-sex-deviance/

    .

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  8. on January 20, 2015 at 1:05 pm Reader

    Left comment, it probably went to spam filter

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  9. on January 20, 2015 at 1:07 pm cloudswrest

    Coincidentally, on Drudge today there is a link to a “catfish” support site that may let you puff up your social media for preselection purposes. https://invisiblegirlfriend.com/?_ga=1.160598974.2003222170.1421335136

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 1:14 pm Arbiter

      It’s funny that when you go to that link, you get to click a button that says “Beta sign up”

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 1:26 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      This is the version for people who are too lazy to make fake FB profiles? Considering the size of profile photos, just make the fake girl’s profile private and photoshop yourself in her profile photo. Even if you’re incompetent at photoshop, you should be able to do it. Of course, instead of bothering with all this work, you could just go and hug random girls on the street and have a friend take pictures or whatever.

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  10. on January 20, 2015 at 1:13 pm Arbiter

    I have a female acquaintance that I met through work, and we see each other for coffee about once a month. Very intelligent girl with an analytical mind, which is unusual. I can teach her many things, like facts about evolutionary psychology, which most women don’t want to hear. Anyway, when I am going to meet a date I have often set it up so that I see her first, and then say goodbye to her at the same time my date shows up. That way the girl I’m dating gets to see me with another woman. Even if she knows I’m not dating her, it’s still social proof.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 1:21 pm newlyaloof

      Neat idea. Of course, if you were indeed banging her, that would probably help too: http://realchristianmcqueen.com/2014/12/30/hair-on-my-cck-panties-in-the-porsche-a-stripper-named-cassie/

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  11. on January 20, 2015 at 1:26 pm peckerwood

    speaking of beta-blowout with accidental pre-selection game, here’s a little story:

    After a party in vacation town, we’d snuck in some younger girls from the party to a bar. One 17 year old was clinging on me, and I was happy with attention from attention from girl literally half my age, say an 8. I knew enough then to not follow around like a puppy and after she’d departed my company to go back or whatever, I struck up a convo with another girl who was down to be friends, a street-legal 8. I’m conversing, kinoing with Legal. The 17 yo shows up again and inserts herself between us. Legal’s all like who’s this? 17 yo pretends “oh peckerwood and I are cousins.” Legal’s like no way you’re cousins.

    I’m all like huh and legal’s like bye. And of course HB8-17yo is not an option.

    so…there you go, blowout.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 1:30 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      “I’m all like huh and legal’s like bye.”
      That’s where you fucked up. Should have agreed and amplified, I think. I would have told her, fine, you’re on to us. We’ve actually been married for five years and have two children together or some other preposterous shit.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 2:05 pm trav777

      why is she not an option?? The AOC is 16 in half the states. Smash it

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 2:46 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

      “And of course HB8-17yo is not an option.”

      Yes, she was. You just had to get her away from everyone else before you had her wicked way with her. Not that she’d be against it, either. If anything, she was hungry for your cock until you pointed it at the legal chick. Had you gotten her alone, you would have been balls deep in that high schooler.

      Alternatively, you could have swapped numbers with the 17yo and stayed in touch until she turned street-legal, at which point you take her ass to pound town.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 10:31 pm ho

      Lol at countries where fucking 17 year olds is a crime. LOL.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 7:20 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Here it’s illegal only if you’re in a position of authority, otherwise it’s 15. If she’s 18, you can fuck her even if you’re her teacher, her professor or whatever too. My problem is that I have no idea what teenage girls these days do and where they go except a couple of cheap clubs that disgust me. Crowded, shit music, lots of crappy people.

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  12. on January 20, 2015 at 1:31 pm Zelcorpion

    The easiest way is to go out with 2 young hotties. I did this 2 times by accident just inviting 2 visiting friends over. Not only was I treated differently by men, but also by women in the club.
    If you don’t know 2 hot girls who would play eye candy for you, then pay them – aspiring actresses can be had for 50$ each for 2 hours. That is sufficient to raise enough attention in order to work the floor for your intended target.

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  13. on January 20, 2015 at 1:38 pm Anon

    lol http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/20/media/paris-mayor-sue-fox-news/index.html

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  14. on January 20, 2015 at 1:40 pm Anon

    Beta kills

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/19/technology/plaxo-minh-nguyen-murder/index.html?iid=obnetwork

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 9:39 pm FuriousFerret

      Aesthetic Asian millionaire couldn’t get over his oneitis.

      Tiger mom parenting destroys lives.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 12:56 pm Hugh Mann

        Is that Hong Kong millionaire still trying to get his lesbian daughter married off ? IIRC he was offering a large amount of money to whoever (male) could do the deed.

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  15. on January 20, 2015 at 1:55 pm Anon

    Even a woman with a butch haircut is censored by MSM and publicly shamed for merely saying that she does not consider herself a feminist.

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/01/07/mxp-big-bang-theory-kaley-cuoco-feminism.hln?iid=ob_article_footer_expansion&iref=obnetwork

    Yeah the left loves free speech and individual choice. LOL. It is no longer okay to state, in our society, using one’s real identity in real life, that one does not agree with “feminism.”

    Everyone agrees that all of the -isms are bad, except feminism, which is the extremely stupid idea that women and men are equal, an idea that does not pass the laugh test.

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  16. on January 20, 2015 at 2:00 pm Samuel

    Growing up I would occasionally go to parties with my sisters. I would tease and joke with my sisters and it got me a lot of female attention. The interesting thing was that when girls would find out that those are my sisters the attraction was already started and it didn’t matter.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 3:52 pm The Spirit Within

      I’ve done the same with my sister. And it’s true that once the attraction mechanism clicks on, it doesn’t matter that she’s your sis.

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      • on January 20, 2015 at 3:53 pm The Spirit Within

        That last sentence reads really wrong, LOL.

        Once the STRANGE WOMAN’s attraction mechanism clicks on, it doesn’t matter that she’s your sis.

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      • on January 20, 2015 at 9:13 pm Rum

        If she is not good enough for her own family, why should I want her?
        If a couple moves from Arkansas to another State and gets divorced, are they still cousins?
        And… to quote Hunter Thompson, “It takes centuries of careful in-breeding to produce beautiful daughters and only fool would marry them off to strangers”.
        He was mainly trying to shock, I think; but he may have been inspired by one of his many Demons to blurt out something true.

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  17. on January 20, 2015 at 2:12 pm themanofmystery2

    Does this work at Walmart? I tried meeting my baby mama’s equally slutty sister in the used diapers department to catch the attention of the corpulent, tattooed he-she I could smell when I walked in the door, but she told me she paid $5,000 to detox someone’s buttox 😦

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  18. on January 20, 2015 at 2:22 pm Anonymous

    One caveat:

    It’s true that an ugly or fat preselection pawn is bad if she’s conceivably fuckable in say a dry spell or while drunk. That is a 8,9 or 10 won’t give you credit for having a 5 around and in fact it would work against you.

    However I have in the past (field tested) gotten hottie interest from having an actual 2 or 3 around with clear body language that I was being nice. I imagine its the same effect as being nice to a disabled kid or helping an old lady, suddenly you’re Not Like Other Guys TM and can play it off for faster escalation with no LMR. Contrast is king etc. Or to put it another way, you’ve prebuilt massive comfort so you can get away with more escalation and screening “I’m very loyal to my friends and I’m also very selective about who I let into my inner circle… so what makes you special?”

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  19. on January 20, 2015 at 2:54 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

    I went to the gym today and the only girl in there with both a cute face and body was doing squats and I complimented her on not being a cardio girl and told her that soon she will squat as much as me. We talked about guys who don’t train legs for a minute and how they’re the equivalent of cardio girls in the gym. She asked me what happened to me(as in to my knee) and I told her penis reduction surgery. She laughed and asked me why is my scar on my knee then and I told her that the surgeon was very clumsy. She giggled so I told her that I don’t like girls who laugh at injured people. I told her I have to go and told her my name and she told me hers and extended her hand and I told her that she probably has calloused hands from all the squatting so kissed her cheek and took her number.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 6:49 pm cash

      nice.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 8:57 pm anonYmous

      +1 on the penis reduction surgery. heh

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 1:50 am EMP

      Good..good.

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 7:16 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      I think I’ll invite her for some minigolf this weekend or next week and the loser would have to buy the winner an alcoholic drink of their choosing*. Mine will be a glass of wine. I like good wines so that will also give me something to DHV with and girls love wine. The minigolf place is really close to a winebar and both are 20 minutes away of walking from my place, which has a pretty good skyline. Too bad it’s winter and I can’t just have a walk with her due to the cold and the skyline will be blocked by the fog. FUCK WINTER!

      Pickup during winter is probably the lamest, especially if the girls will bond to you and expect gifts on Valentines, another similar day we have here, 1st of March and 8th of March. Back in the days of abundance, I always fought with my girls on purpose and rekindled or found new ones after this month of financial carnage. I seriously prefer buying my mother lots of flowers than wasting my money on silly tarts. lol

      *used to teach girls if I was beating them really bad, which was good excuse to kino. Rusty now so not sure I’ll get to do it.

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 2:39 pm mendozatorres

      Did you just go in and kiss her cheek or say that you would instead of a handshake? I like the move and this whole story. Taking copious notes.

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  20. on January 20, 2015 at 2:54 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    I’ve repeatedly written about this on the Roosh V Forum on the threads that say men shouldn’t be friends with women. No, I say, they should — to use them for their own ends, as exemplified in this post.

    There was no term “preselection” when I was in high school, but I knew to do this. In my senior year they found I was missing a credit and placed me in a health class with all freshman girls. I took each one to a different party week after week. I found that this shot my popularity through the roof — people instantly though I was some kind of “love god” or “stud,” as they used to say back then.

    It didn’t matter whether I was dating these girls. The very fact that I was surrounded by them spoke for itself. If nice-looking women are by your side day in day out, that says something.

    Again my message is: stay friends with good-looking women. Bring them to office parties, nights out, etc. The idea of preselection works.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 4:11 pm Joe

      Truth. This is where it’s helpful to leverage women you’re friends with, even those who maybe friendzoned you, which is easy if you don’t act butthurt about it. I did this a several times with girls I couldn’t bang for whatever reason – buddy’s hot girlfriend when he’s out of town (I thought about it but don’t roll that way) or just a good looking girl that I was friends with but couldn’t manage to pull.

      “Hey, Jake and I are wingmen, and he isn’t here tonight. Hook a brother up, help me get laid. You hold my hand when we go over to the bar, be friendly, laugh too loud, be a little affectionate, whatever. I’ll order drinks for us, then I’m going to talk to that girl standing there and get her number. You act a tiny bit jealous.” We’d do that, then I’d approach the girl I was eyeing, generally with a shit eating grin on my face and chat her up, ignore my wingman who then played up being mildly irritated at her “cheating” date. Chicks like to feel like they’re poaching a guy from another girl, and doing it right in front of another girl has to be a pretty huge ego trip for the hamster. It always worked, usually did a lot better than getting a number, and the approached woman would generally move directly into seduction mode, trying to steal me away from the girl she thought I was with.

      I never had a girl I was hanging with refuse to help me on this, they always seemed intrigued with helping a guy get laid. Bonus round: one of the girls who had been untouchable at the time landed on my bed a couple years later. She confessed that she had been obsessed with me and totally overcome with curiosity ever since I’d used her as a wingman. Nice… an uplanned move up and out of the friendzone.

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      • on January 20, 2015 at 4:34 pm Days of Broken Arrows

        “Hey, Jake and I are wingmen, and he isn’t here tonight. Hook a brother up, help me get laid. You hold my hand when we go over to the bar, be friendly, laugh too loud, be a little affectionate, whatever. I’ll order drinks for us, then I’m going to talk to that girl standing there and get her number. You act a tiny bit jealous.”

        Nice response but only up to a point. Sorry to rain on your parade here, but I’d warn against this. Never let a woman know your ulterior motive. Women take to gossip like men take to porn porn and they’ll blab about you being a “needy loser” within seconds of you telling them your plan. Or letting them in on a scheme will change the dynamic, for the worse.

        The way I played this was simply hung with these women to have a good time and that made it easy to meet other women — and have guys answer to me. Also, this set a tone. I was a fun party boy, not someone scheming to get laid. Women responded accordingly. If you let a woman in on a plan, she’ll act stilted and it will throw off the vibe. Have a good time and it will be contagious. Just my two cents.

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      • on January 20, 2015 at 5:02 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        I’d warn against that too from my party boy experience too. Just make girls feel good and they’ll want to hang out and then you can use them as pawns.

        @Days of Broken Arrows, to what did you transition after the party until you drop stage of your life? I outgrew that, but I feel out of my element because of how easy it was to get social proof and good logistics. I have no idea how to even brand the last years of my life because if a girl asks me what I’ve been doing I can’t be honest and say drugs and girls. 😛

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 2:31 pm Amy

      Just don’t be the gay boyfriend. Other girls see that dynamic instantly.

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  21. on January 20, 2015 at 2:59 pm Sean Fielding

    Lotta comments here implying that men are about as good as women at evaluating male SMV, and women, about as good as men for female SMV.

    IOW, complete failure to understand biomechanics.

    ‘The Man Who Was …’ has it right.

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  22. on January 20, 2015 at 4:34 pm duckfan

    Where’s Duck’s “who bitch is this” article? I want to see it, ducks can’t have copyright!

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  23. on January 20, 2015 at 4:45 pm A.

    This just makes me not want to be seen in public because I don’t have a hot girl with me…

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 5:50 pm Turkey Baster

      Initially you’re better off being in public with your dog – or your baby niece – or some other “prop” that demonstrates survival and replication value. Then – after you’ve built up some attraction – you use jealousy ploys to shock her into realizing her feelings for you.

      The shyest guy in my high school did nothing more than dress well and get a dog – and soon there were a dozen girls chasing him. Hotties lined up because he stole all their fattie orbiters and were jealous. Last seen walking his dog with a girl that could stop traffic.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 1:54 am EMP

        Devious-er and devious-er.

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  24. on January 20, 2015 at 4:46 pm bob k. mando

    mac daddy …. Andy Griffith? WTF?

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 2:21 pm no

      That was the point of that show to make the aww shucks Andy guys feel like they could really be like a a pimp or something lol.

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 2:41 pm mendozatorres

      Check out “A Face in the Crowd.” He stars in that film, about a nobody-folk singer plucked off the streets to star in a TV show, it becomes a big hit, he gets an inflated ego and it ends beautifully. Well, could’ve have a more dour ending, but it still did the job. He’s his least “Andy Griffith” in that film.

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  25. on January 20, 2015 at 4:54 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

    http://www.salon.com/2015/01/20/im_tired_of_suppressing_myself_to_get_along_with_white_people/
    This is so preposterous it actually aroused some indignation in me. lol. But hey, I wouldn’t mind separation. 🙂

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  26. on January 20, 2015 at 5:32 pm How To Play The Preselection Game | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  27. on January 20, 2015 at 5:39 pm Will

    This is so funny.

    Literally friend zone girls and even just having them pop up on your phone texting you always will be preselection game. Ive always done that with random girls in my life. But I guess you do have to be careful b/c girls will think you’re playing around too much if you want to be serious.

    Question: if you bang a somewhat high SMV not that slutty girl (once or even multiple times) and she doesn’t text you or follow up after the date/bang/sleepover (like I said once or even multiple separate times of banging) a) wtf is wrong with the girl and b) do girls have a problem following up after getting banged? This confuses me

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 5:57 pm Will

      Or rephrased: “get friend zoned by a girl” then tool her. It’s part of that manipulative personality thing

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 5:58 pm Will

      @ch wanted thoughts on this could you pass it por favor?

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 2:14 pm Amy

      “Question: if you bang a somewhat high SMV not that slutty girl (once or even multiple times) and she doesn’t text you or follow up after the date/bang/sleepover (like I said once or even multiple separate times of banging) a) wtf is wrong with the girl and b) do girls have a problem following up after getting banged? This confuses me”

      Is this a relationship type girl? She expects YOU to follow up with her after you have sex with her.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 9:37 pm Will

        @amy what are you supposed to say…”hey just checking up on you lets do something again soon” or “hey thanks for the sex–until next time ttyl”

        I ask b/c I feel unnatural following up sometimes.

        It’s like: I just had sex with you shouldn’t you want to see me again………that’s what confuses me

        If guys do the following up with sex won’t the girl feel like a white kind of after a while…?

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 9:38 pm Will

        a ****whore

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      • on January 22, 2015 at 1:56 pm Amy

        “It’s like: I just had sex with you shouldn’t you want to see me again………that’s what confuses me”

        Yes, but you’re the leader. You send her a text or call her the next day so she doesn’t feel like she’s just a piece of a** to you. Some variation of “had a great time last night” is fine.

        If you’ve already had sex multiple times, and you have a relationship or a regular thing going, then it doesn’t matter. And she should be doing some initiating too.

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  28. on January 20, 2015 at 6:00 pm bo jangles

    I’ve always found you can trade up. When going to an unknown bar, you start joking or flirting with whoever(women are always watching). Then pretty soon you are joking and flirting with a hotter group of girls, then when you finally hit on the top girls, even though you never were with the hottest girls, the fact that all these other girls want you is strong preselection(and perhaps the fact that you were only toying with them)..

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  29. on January 20, 2015 at 6:13 pm Putin

    I believe in patriotism because America knows the truth and other countries need our guidance and leadership. I know in Syria that the Muslim Rebels which we support with hundreds of millions of dollars continue to rape, crucify and kill thousands of secular and christian peoples but that is necessary if we are going to stop Assad from be a democratically elected leader. In Ukraine we must support the ethnic cleansing going on even if the present leadership has Nazi leanings. The ends justify the means. So what if some districts in Ukraine had democratic elections. Democracy only matters in America where people get the correct news. We must stop Russia because they won’t let their gays have parades and peddle their lifestyle to children. So what if staunch allies like Saudi Arabia whip, imprison and behead their gays. We need to stop people like Putin who were once in the KGB. Never mind that we torture some folks because it is all for a good cause.

    God Bless America!

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  30. on January 20, 2015 at 7:19 pm Putin

    Question: How come I see the same amount of attractive women in America who are in their 50s as see in their 20s?

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 8:00 am The Burninator

      Question: How come I see the same amount of attractive women in America who are in their 50s as see in their 20s?

      Congenital blindness?

      [CH: emotional blindness.]

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 3:10 pm Putin

        For your sake let’s hope you are right.

        The point is I do not see many attractive 20 something women around these days. Most are truly repulsive and I would not want anything to do with. Starting to wonder if it is all the PUFA, GMO grains and growth hormones they feed on.

        I have seen two pretty 20 somethings in the past 2 weeks. One was my son’s girlfriend who is half Filipino and the other was a 10 I saw at a plaza. I knew she was a 10 when I saw a guy who passed her had to look back over his shoulder and then had to look back again to believe what he saw. She was Asian.

        So have not seen a pretty white 20 something in a while.

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 2:47 pm no

      Really good makeup aka the equivalent of game for men. So take note.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 3:00 pm Putin

        There could be some truth to that although I hate makeup with a passion.

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  31. on January 20, 2015 at 7:26 pm English Dude

    Had to laugh at “pantywan”.

    Also lately I’ve just been absolutely honest about “seeing another girl”. And truthfully telling the other, that I’m unsure whether she’ll be able to be a long term prospect or not due to waiting to see if she can stay close by or not.

    Years ago I’d have NEVER rubbed it in a girl’s face that I was fucking another, yet now I just outright tell them, and they love it! One was like “Oh, well if things don’t look like they’re working out, we can go for a drink”.

    Fuck, I even took a photo of me laid in bed with the girl, and sent it to another, and to a different girl (who I’d been a lot more dirty with) I sent a pic of her pussy with my cum leaking out. Both new girls STILL wanted to meet me. Crazy bitches.

    I’d feel gutted if a lass was doing that to me, and cut contact (unless I thought she was just a happy fun slut still up for a quick one-off fuck).

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 7:27 pm English Dude

      Have to make sure you don’t show too hard that you’re “playing” them though. I just (truthfully atm), act like a romantic bloke who’s looking for a girl, and currently seeing one, but with that not being a certainty, open to enjoying some nice company with another when I have some time free, (because she seems such an interesting girl, of course..). They seem to love the idea of being the one to “capture” you from the other girl.

      Fucking insane, when I was single and lonely, the girls all going for the “taken” blokes used to make me rage. Stopped trying to understand it now, and started utilising it instead. Dumb bitches are carving their own empty futures.

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 6:53 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      I know someone who fucked a girl and went to meet another girl and didn’t get to shower. During the blowjob, she obviously tasted the other girl on his dick to a degree and smelled that other girl on him. He said that while the girl didn’t admit, she got far wetter and was hotter in bed when this happened.

      Not sure if he was making shit up though. lol

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  32. on January 20, 2015 at 8:59 pm anonYmous

    I had an epiphany today. Women are genetically programmed to destroy their vaginas. Whether they do it by producing 12 offspring or though catching std’s and racking up high N counts it matters little to them. heh

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 1:58 am EMP

      It’s like Fight Club, but for vaginas.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 7:01 pm anonYmous

        The first rule of Vagina Club is that we dont talk about Vagina Club.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 7:09 pm Greg Eliot

        One of the other rules is: No shirt, no shoes.

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  33. on January 20, 2015 at 9:33 pm Miamianinindia

    I recently moved to India from Miami for work leaving my girlfriend of 1.5yrs behind. I knew the risks but figured the experience I would gain in India would be worth the risk. A few months in she meets a beta provider at work who gives in to her every whimper and buys her anything she wants, which In turn she uses to shit test me in to thinking I don’t do enough for her. Anyways she ends up coming to Miami for a month to see me for the holidays, we banged like rabbits and had a great time. I’m back now and she’s informed me that she wasn’t strong enough to not see her other guy she sees every day at wor anyway. As was expected. So I’ve decided to move on to other girls and I recently met a super hot indian girl at work who added me on linkedin. I’m sure Facebook is next if she hasn’t already been creeping on it. My uber hot gf from home is in my profile pic and I’ve been debating whether I should take it down. If new girls see it they will see that I have attracted high value girls but will probably think that I’m not available.thoughts?

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 10:33 pm Coyy

      Which city are you in , in India? I can give you city specific advise.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 6:42 pm Miamianinindia

        Im in bangalore.

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    • on January 20, 2015 at 10:33 pm Coyy

      Also lose the DP with GF.

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 2:17 am EMP

      –> Change profile to a pic of you taken by someone else, preferably with a couple random hotties at your side.

      –> Demote pic of you and smokin ex gf to some random album. In privacy setting make album contents visible to the public so females stalking you can see it. Maybe add some more pics of you holding babies and saving old ladies to this album.

      –> You look preselected and also not butthurt. AND, ex gf knows she has been put on the waiting list.

      All the birds. One stone.

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  34. on January 20, 2015 at 10:58 pm Harland

    Notice how the comments on this blog have really fallen off, and where there used to be 150-300 comments per article, there’s now 60 or so? That’s the effect of the fuckface asswipes taking over the threads and driving off everyone else.

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 5:41 am Tilikum

      Or, the betas that needed the advice learned, grew, and moved on. no worries, another crop of them along shortly to be regaled and have to pick through Arbiters paragraph upon paragraph of brainsmking rants and reply’s to himself.

      Yea clearly he’s a little Gump-y but he’s ours and his mouth (and fingers) can “Run Forrest, run!”

      What commenter could resist that? Hell, I still come for the show 🙂

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 2:50 pm mendozatorres

      Depends on the article. Check out “Gratitude.”

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  35. on January 20, 2015 at 11:07 pm Rum

    All the really important influences in my life are in Federal Prison, or ded, or should be ded… Im talking to you Heather.
    Ah, Candy. If your brain (may it RIP) ; if it ever stops burning down, burning down…
    Get over it Rum. She is worm-food.

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  36. on January 21, 2015 at 2:31 am frederick anderson

    Unfortunately, I did exactly this: and I fell in love with her, spent two of the best years of my life with her, and nearly forty years on, I still remember her. Ah, the price, the price!

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  37. on January 21, 2015 at 2:57 am Corsair

    Saw this during the NFC Championship game. CH, if you have an award for something like “Alpha Male Media Moment of the Month”, I nominate this:

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  38. on January 21, 2015 at 7:32 am walawala

    I’ve used this a lot. But I play it this way: A hottie who is a “friend” let’s call her X—someone I’m not or can’t bang came to visit and we were hanging out.

    X came out to a party hosted by another girl–Y who I had gamed and was sending out clear signals she was interested but that never went anywhere.

    I come to Y’s party with X friend. X is always naturally deferential to me, very flirty and smoking hot.

    Y sees this. Texts me later to ask “Are you two together? She’s hot”.

    I just reply “hahahahaha” which is a great reply that says absolutely nothing.

    A few weeks later Y invited me over to her place to have whisky. I came over. We now bang regularly.

    The other system that works in this regard is Facebook. I’m always posing for photos with hot girls who love posing for photos when I’m dressed up, hosting a party or out and about.

    These photos show up in the Facebook feed. Girls start asking questions: “So many girls…”

    I just laugh.

    Girls don’t really care as long as you’re banging them hard and give them adequate attention when you’re with them and when you’re not keep them stoked with texts.

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  39. on January 21, 2015 at 8:23 am Walky Talky

    Yareally how to deal with a girl with a really strong frame(has high IQ too i guess if that has anything to do with it)? Plus shes doing push pull.

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    • on January 21, 2015 at 10:32 am walawala

      @Walky Talky

      She’s gaming you. I’ve had this situation. You care too much, pull away, stop being so available. IF she starts chasing, you’ve got hand back.

      Then proceed as you would and game her.

      In my experience girls who do this are usually very insecure and need to be in control.

      It’s always a struggle.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 2:59 pm mendozatorres

        “In my experience girls who do this are usually very insecure and need to be in control.”

        Interesting you mention as it donned on me that this reminds me of a girl at work. Overheard her talking on the phone the other day and she made mention that she’s a control freak. Your statement shines much light on what I has subsumed about her.

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      • on January 21, 2015 at 8:56 pm Walky Talky

        Thanks walawala.

        She isolates and puts herself where i can talk to her. Sometimes there are all kinds of iois – laughing at my jokes, revealing personal info etc. Other times she is cold and locked up. One major IOD is she never asks me any questions(any help on how to get her to do that?)

        She is clearly attracted. So i thot its the comfort stage and pulling back is comfort killer.
        She tested me to see if i need her(went rude with ‘i am busy. Cant talk to you’) and passed that with flying colors. Soft next for three weeks. Zero contact. After that she chased hard. This situ was discussed in a previous yareally comment.

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      • on January 22, 2015 at 12:54 am Walky Talky

        How to respond if a girl negs you? Hot girls are always doing it. Negging back seems butthurt. Stay unreactive maybe?

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      • on January 22, 2015 at 12:57 am walawala

        @Walky Talky a girl negging you is called a “Shit-test”…lots of information here about that but the best strategy is to either come up with a response that flips the script or laugh it off.

        If I can’t think of anything or am caught off guard I laugh and say “I’ll let you have that one…you earned it”

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      • on January 22, 2015 at 10:24 am Sentient

        Women are only “control freaks” because they are really out of control. They have a zillion thoughts floating around in their brains running through and over each other. They “feel” like they are in control by making lists and organizing things. But a list is not control, especially when you bounce around from thing to thing in a random and haphazard way, or get sidetracked on some new shiny thing that distracts her…

        But they “feel” in control by doing it. The only truth to a woman is her feelings.

        The fact they are actually out of control and can’t stop thinking is why they respond so well to actual leadership “come here” “do this” “stop that” “yes” “no”. A women is a pleasure when you have hand and are demonstrating leadership to her. because now she “feels” you are IN control. So she lets go. Now there is a lot of attraction building and shit test passing you need to go through to get to that stage, and she will regress from time to time (shit tests). her pinging for your alpha and leadership wont stop ever, but will subside, and will be easier over time to demonstrate by no longer failing these tests.

        The convoluted run-away nature of their mind and thoughts is also why female orgasm is so powerful. It shuts all this thinking down for a bit. a true release.

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      • on January 23, 2015 at 4:03 am YaReally

        @Sentient
        Quality shit. Well done. I’ll be stealing this for my own conversations about this topic with buddies lol pretty sure it would make a good comfort routine with women too. They eat that “I understand your reality better than you do” shit up lol

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  40. on January 21, 2015 at 9:59 am Lurking_Gorilla

    What about social media photos? Has this been covered?

    I have a few great ones of chicks with their arms draped over me, and it looks just a liiiittle too cosy. Currently I’m seeing a chick the past 3 months and I’m not even sure whether to post the photos or not, it might push the jealousy meter too far.

    Our ages are mid-20s, which is relevant. Older more mature gentlemen rightly needn’t bother so much with such nonsense)

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    • on January 22, 2015 at 5:41 am walawala

      @Lurking I make sure I have lots of shots of me and girls at parties especially the ones I organize.

      They key is THEY look like they want to pose for those photos and I’m there to accommodate NOT that I’m hanging off them.

      If I do a long-armed selfie, I only post photos that have a cool smile, slight smile and her either side by side or leaning into me:

      NO leaning your head on hers or even forming a heart shape with BOTH your heads.

      NO mugging.

      NO looking at the girl, always look into the camera.

      Look like a rock star posing with an adoring fan.

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  41. on January 21, 2015 at 3:40 pm Hugh Mann

    17 year old stabs three women because “I am still a virgin, everyone is losing it before me”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-30903331

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    • on January 22, 2015 at 10:27 am ER

      Tight game bro.

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  42. on January 22, 2015 at 9:29 am Walky Talky

    Fu** im pissed. Sometimes these game concepts can be so contradictory. How the fuck am i supposed to lead and let her chase and invest at the same time?

    Had a bad day. Was in a bad situ

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    • on January 22, 2015 at 10:06 am walawala

      @Walky Talky Take this step by step. Try to adopt/practice one thing at a time. Learn the escalation model, then practice it.

      I used to practice on ugly chicks I’d meet who were working in service jobs: waitress, the barrista…supermarket, wherever just to get talking and hear myself.

      Getting her to chase you takes time, you have to spark attraction, build comfort, then pull back.

      This can be done in a short time or over a longer period of time.

      You also have to make your intentions clear early: I have a few simple concepts I use to immediately sexualize the interaction:

      “You look like trouble…”

      “Behave….”

      “Sweet and proper in public, crazy in private….”

      however you do it, you have to establish the spark of attraction first.

      That’s why these simple “negs” are effective…they’re a surprise, they don’t come off as “lines” unless you make them sound automatic.

      Try it on 6’s then work up to your target.

      All these things helped for me.

      Also, I highly recommend Krauser’s Daygame Mastery—very detailed, no-nonsense text-book on game.

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    • on January 22, 2015 at 11:20 am Sentient

      describe what happened if you want better advice.

      Lead and chase in a bar can be a simple as “Let’s get a drink” walk to bar get drink. Talk with her looking at her. she starts to flake, you go into chase merely by leaning away from her, scanning the bar, looking at you drink, looking past her, asking the bartender something, looking at the TV etc. You are disengaging but not physically withdrawing.

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      • on January 23, 2015 at 4:32 am Walky Talky

        This is in a daygame venue. Say a college. Sometimes she isolates and makes herself approachable. Other times she is distant and cold. So my main concern is its moving at a very slow speed. I live in a conservative culture.

        Plus any advice on how to deal if she is eyeing someone else who is good looking. They havent talked yet.
        Ignore it or call her out on it in some way. Im in initial stages of courtship.

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