While reading an article at ROK about taking the Grease Pill and letting your hair go native sans shampooing, a tangent by the author, Samseau, grabbed my attention.
Then I went to the men’s room and took a leak. When the girls I came with asked me where I had been, I told them “there was a line” and she asked me if I had any weed, which I did, but the fat friend did a reverse cockblock* out on the street and prevented her from going anywhere else with me. […]
* Reverse Cockblock: “Oh, you know what? Just go home with him. You should go. Have a good time. Just go. I don’t care.” <—- Most effective cockblock line in the world. Even if she goes home with you, she’ll still feel like a slut as soon as you make a move on her and the LMR [ed: last minute resistance] will be insurmountable.
The Reverse Cockblock, or what is more precisely termed the Reverse Psychology Cockblock, is something most men will rarely encounter. I’ve never heard that sort of line from a cockblock, and I’ve had to deal with more than my fair share of spiteful CBs maneuvering to deep-six my romantic fortunes.
The typical cockblock will work her black magic in one of three ways:
1. She’ll pout along the perimeter and look really pathetic, until the hot friend you’re chatting up can’t help but notice her fat friend’s distress. Game over.
2. She’ll bulldoze her way into your conversation, gripping her friend by the arm, and dragging her out the door while shouting about this or that bar they have to go to, and yelling “BYEEEEE” at you through a shit-eating grin as she exits with her quarry helplessly entangled. Game over.
3. She’ll make a complete bitch of herself, executing increasingly labyrinthine and complex shit tests designed to publicly humiliate you until her hot friend becomes disenchanted with your feebleness while under attack. GAME OVER, MAAAN.
There are a vast array of cockblock strategies, but the three above will account for 80% of your CB victimizations. Exceptions abound, but you’ll be well-covered if you know how to handle those three.
But… WOW JUST WOW… the passive-aggressive Reverse Cockblock is quite devious. I’d have to tip my atheist goon fedora to a chubster who successfully pulled off a reverse psychology cockblock on me. Truly evil. What the RCB is doing is essentially activating her hot friend’s ASD (anti-slut defenses) in your stead. She’s co-opted betaboy anti-game and turned it into a girl game victory.
So here are my anti-RCB solutions, should this pure evil alight upon your Valalpha.
– Agree & Amplify
“Oh, you know what? Just go home with him. You should go. Have a good time. Just go. I don’t care.”
“We will, thanks! It’s so nice of you to want the best for your friend. I hope she doesn’t break my heart.”
– Re-Reverse Psychology
“Oh, you know what? Just go home with him. You should go. Have a good time. Just go. I don’t care.”
[to cockblock]: “Don’t worry, I was just about to hand her over to you. You look like more fun anyhow.”
– Jerkboy Ridicule
“Oh, you know what? Just go home with him. You should go. Have a good time. Just go. I don’t care.”
[to CB]: “Don’t feel left out. You can join too.”
– Flay Her Alive
“Oh, you know what? Just go home with him. You should go. Have a good time. Just go. I don’t care.”
[to target, whispering]: “I think your friend needs you right now more than I do.”
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I hope this game advice helps more men bed the women they really want to bed, and to have the freedom to choose which among those quality women will be honored with a long-term commitment and eventual progeny.
I’ve had the fat friend straight up drag the girl away from me as she was grinding her ass on me. I’d purposely engaged in friendly chit chat with the fatty earlier in the night. No effect. What motivates a girl like that?
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Her fat, that’s what. It’s quite the paradox of our day and age. Inertia ain’t got a thing on a fat girl’s CB motivation.
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This isn’t new. It’s just another shit test and it was the ugly girl before it was the fat girl. BLUF: If you can’t get past Shelob, you’re not spongeworthy. I like that “flay her alive” approach but would probably say something like, “hey, talk to your mom there and call me some time when she says it’s okay.” Then I’d laugh at the pair of them and walk off. The walk might work magic but either way you need to preserve your own mental outlook and you can’t do that if you sink to the level of the beta orbiter girlfriend and try to duke it out with her – maybe you win but definitely you’ll lose self-respect. It’s the wrestling a pig thing.
Related: Within a friendship, women spend most of their time figuring out how to sabotage each other. The fat chick is happy to wreck the hot chick’s sex life, and after you wander away the hot chick is happy to go out and split a huge piece of chocolate-covered cheesecake with the fatass, giving her 3/4ths of it because “I just ate.” It’s the damnedest thing.
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Thank God I’m not the only one who has had to deal with the fat/ugly friend my entire life – all this time I thought something was wrong with me. I wonder whether hot chicks consciously and intentionally choose fugly sargette bodyguards, or whether it’s a more primordial unconscious thing which bonds them together?
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> “you need to preserve your own mental outlook” This. Never allow yourself to be humiliated. Just one more reason to practice Day Game when you can talk to Hottie one-on-one without Fugly in the way. And consider whether there might be some really weird mutual codependency shiznat between them. “Codependency” of any kind is always a huge warning sign which should never be ignored.
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joe, years ago, when i waited tables, i’d see that all the time. hot chick and fat friend order two pieces of chocolate cake. hotty swipes her finger along the icing and then pushes her plate over toward fatty. who eats both pieces.
until you mentioned it, i never thought that it was payback for fatty being a cockblocking pig.
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I don’t know if it’s payback for her being a cockblocking pig. I just figured it’s because they semi-demi-secretly hate each other, like most women seem to do.
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LOL @ “Shelob”
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What motivates a girl like that?
Jealousy and loneliness. and a lesbian crush.
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I guess being friendly to the fatty might have been a tactical error.
Remembering back to the Mystery Method days, I think they would tell the fat girl they had this cool friend “Kevin” who would absolutely love her because of some shared interest. Kevin of course never materializes but the fatty would back off because she had a stake in being in your good graces.
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duderino, that is straight up vicious. False hope never bore such sweet fruit!!
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Cockblockers have an uncanny ability to adapt and respond to all life situations. They cannot not cockblock.
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If only they used that energy and self-control to exercise and put down the damn fork!
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[…] The Reverse Cockblock […]
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#4 – “you know he’s married, right”?
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“And he’s old enough to be your dad.”
Happened last Sat. night. I created a dance fantasy for a girl and her “best friend” pricked her bubble. Envy of her having a good time. The best friend could have waited a few days to prick her bubble.
It was funny how the best friend tried to steer the girl to dance with other guys and the girl kept trying to evade her saying, “Nooooo! I wanna dance with hiiim!” [pointing at me]
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Entered a conference room at Encorpera. An intern waif was there and took notice of me. A guy I barely knew and did not associate with said “How’s your wife Elmer?”. I said “I’m not married” and proceeded with the meeting.
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It was funny how the best friend tried to steer the girl to dance with other guys and the girl kept trying to evade her saying, “Nooooo! I wanna dance with hiiim!” [pointing at me]
This is why women should not be allowed to vote and definitely should not be in the armed forces. If that’s all it takes to stop her then can she really be considered competent enough to handle responsibility on her own?
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best thing on married comments is, like a lot else, to agree and amplify
“oh we’re all married” was a familiar refrain with a three-man group i ran with back in the fastseduction days. we were all married, in fact, but that defused it entirely, every time.
“thirty years this sunday… god i love her” also works, adjust the number to make it highly implausible.
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[…] The Reverse Cockblock […]
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Question-wide for Chateau –
How much will it hurt my masculinity (40s married) to be involved with 19, 20 yr old girls (YG’s) – with this caveat – of pure generosity on my part I will throw them some “perks”
First our proprietor is on record that ever ‘paying for it’ – in any way, obliquely or otherwise – is the mark of losers.
[CH: that’s not quite what i say. specifically, paying for it, OUT OF NECESSITY, is a leading indicator of loserdom. if you can get girls for free, but like to splurge occasionally on hookers or trophy mistresses, then the act of paying is less meaningful as a measure of your alpha chops.]
Now – I have found CH’s advice on many aspects of the crimson arts to be on the money. Somehow CH will never tell men what they want to hear. He will shoot you straight. So this is weighing on me
Now these YG are hot to trot for me. They find me attractive, etc. My problem is that the majority YG’s cannot deal with fact I’m married. So 95% die.
[a man would have to be very alpha indeed to coax a young hottie knowingly into a long-term mistress role.]
Several have told me this is the one obstacle they “can’t handle” – things like “I do not want to fall in love with you” etc
However – I am finding that they are hot to trot – ** with no resistance at all ** – if there are some other ‘perks’ to go along with that from an older man.
It seems they will overlook the married part, in this case
[you could always play the invidious game of holding out hope you might one day trade in the wife for the beautiful baby. keep her on tenterhooks.]
For what it’s worth, Torero and Krauser both said that – after age 40, “K-selected game” can be a reasonable alternative. Older guys with a life and career and totally different lifestyle don’t have the time to sarge, to daytime, etc.
I’m thinking there are more older guys than just me who are wondering about this.
[If you have the means, and it’s no trouble, then there’s nothing wrong with leveraging the sexual market to your advantage using any of the tools available.]
Regards
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It won’t hurt your masculinity if you don’t turn it into a production. Just let the girl know that the perks are given at your whim, and let it be implied that she has zero right to ask for anything. I’ve bought plane tickets for women to visit me, but I always made the offer out of the blue, and with very casual body language and vocal tone. Like it means absolutely nothing, and then change topic. If you do it right, it also instills dread, as she feels that your intermittent generosity can be easily lost.
I’m guessing you teach at a university.
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Interesting, I’ll keep that in mind
And no – not at university
It’s amazing what just staying fit and knowing game can do over 40. Perhaps you see this yourself
The natural sexual attractor is half your age plus 7 years. I’m sure CH has talked about this. Peak SMV (22-ish Fem) meets Peak SMV (38+ M)
Young hotties WANT to test drive early 40’s (or older) men. They want to try that arrangement out. But not a lot of older guys are attractive enough.
Stay fit, use Game – things can happen
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I dunno about 40+ because I’m not quite there yet, but also remember that young women are sometimes overrated by our male fantasies.
Last fall I was living abroad, and in my rotation were a couple of 30- and 32-yr-olds who were overall waaayyyy more attractive than the flighty 19- and 22-yr-olds that I was also smashing. In fact, they appreciated me a lot more — funny what hitting 30 does to a woman, lol — and they’re the ones I’m staying in close touch with even though I’m back in the US. There was a smoking hot 38-yr-old in my rotation too, even my 23-yr-old buddies were drooling over her. So physical age really isn’t everything, and if more American women would take care of their bodies, hearts, minds, and spirits, we would see that more clearly.
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I’m been really tempted by the same situation. I’m seeing a very sweet 30 y/o Korean woman here in Seoul – I’ve just turned 64. We get into very serious discussions of our starting a family (my third). The odds are against us but she would make a good wife and mother and I’m a proven father (raised 5.) She would be a great comfort in my old age too in exchange for my financial security.
Frankly, I’m about the basics when it comes to sex – procreation. It is the foundational human urge although birth control is necessary for good timing. Not big on BJs or anal, except as foreplay, and think facials are stupid. My sperm deserves her cervix.
I’ve had great success prior to settling in with this woman with 30-somethings both single and married here in Seoul. There seems to be some “white fever” amongst the locals and I’m living in a hotel suite in the most expensive part of town and have a great income and a prestigeous position. I’ve got my Craigslist ad writing skills down too so they pre-select and I don’t have to waste time in bars on the hunt.
This abundance helps me in my relationship with the 30 y/o. We both know I can find her replacement should she misbehave or grow cold.
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i’d say a little gift giving puts you at more of an advantage than anything when it comes to mistresses. of course it matters how you do it. you don’t give anything to a girl (mistress or otherwise) when she is always asking or demanding that you do things for her. but in a mistress situation, a gift or nicety every once in awhile can really help keep jealousy and insecurity at bay.
no matter how much a mistress loves you and tries to be understanding, she is going to be jealous and insecure about your main squeeze getting most of your time and all of your resources. she will naturally interpret that as you loving your wife more than her…no matter how many times you tell her you love her.
people try to say women are just materialistic and only motivated by what they can get from you but really it’s that they know men show love and commitment by providing for and protecting their women. so when a girl knows you’re giving the majority of your time and all of your resources to another woman or women, but never giving anything to her, she’s going to see that as proof that you don’t care about her.
that’s fine if you don’t plan on keeping a girl around but if you do, you have to at least give her the impression that she’s worth something to you. and honestly, she is probably worth something if you’re even thinking you might want to keep her around.
so there’s nothing wrong with spoiling a girl you like once in awhile. what’s the point of being financially sound and successful if you can’t have fun with it and treat people you like to something nice every now and then?
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Describe the perks you are throwing to these girls who are hot to trot and show no resistance or have a problem with you being married once they get the perk.
One issue as a 47 YO guy I run into almost every time I am out is girls “seeking arrangements”, which is something I have zero interest in. seems like a third of early 20’s girls are down for some kind of cash comp.
I think the other issue you are coming across is they are putting you in beta provider category or “date guy” category. Work on spiking attraction more and be the explicit one time fantasy guy for the night.
“So you’re married”? – Yes. Beautiful woman. [deep stare, no smile]
“uhhh she doesn’t mind you out here”? – she might but that’s not my concern tonight. I see what I want and go for it. [deep eye stare, kino – arms around waist. NO smile]
You’ve never met anyone like me. [make out].
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@Sentient – I’m mid-thirties and good job etc and have recently crossed into the age range where I am running into this arrangement stuff more despite not being married (albeit mostly online rather than in person).
Basically the arrangement types seem to fall into two categories – the real golddiggers (who are sometimes outright hookers and sometimes not) and the girls who just want a successful older guy to show them a good time.
The key is to filter out the first type and go for the second type. I’ve had a lot of girls get upset or stop replying when cash requests etc are rebuffed or ignored, but there are plenty of girls it has worked on.
I am considering experimenting with actually paying one or two of the hot girls and seeing if an arrangement works. I mean, obv only after meeting them and stuff but it may be an interesting experiment to see if I can have an arrangement and still manage to generate real attraction and interest..bit like getting escorts and strippers to fall for you but not quite as hard I think.
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I use this same move to fuck other guys over if a guy is trying to take a girl I’m working on. “lol THAT guy?? Really? Wow. No you should go for it lol you’re probably the hottest girl he’s ever seen. You should fuck him, I talked to him earlier and he seems like a really NICE guy.”
If you calibrate and feel like you need a bit of extra oomph you can throw disqualify yourself too. “He seems like a nice guy. I’m an asshole you would dump me in a week and not put up with any of my shit lol we would just fight all the time. You’d be like “wtf was I thinking that other guy would’ve shown up at my door with flowers. This guy showed up smelling like pussy.””
If you’re the energetic type you can also tweak it to lower his value by encouraging her but also blatantly making fun of something about him like saying his name in a nerdy voice or if, say, he had long hair you can toss pretend hair majestically as you reference him etc. this works extra good if you can get her group in on it all lol’ing at something about him.
Another thing I’ll do is just make eyes with the girl and give her a sarcastic thumbs up from across the room or over his shoulder where she’s the only one that sees it. I use this as an opener when girls are getting hit on by guys they’re clearly not into, it’s not very useful if she likes the guy (whereas the first ones I listed are for if she likes him), or if I come back from the bathroom or something and some guy has moved in and is hitting on her. As an opener as soon as the guy leaves she’ll usually comment to me and I drop the “I was going to leave so you two could have some privacy” stuff and I’m in and already high value just by comparison to the loser hitting on her lol
When a girl thinks someone, esp her friends (aka ppl she’ll be accountable to in the morning) thinks the guy she’s interested in is low value, most of the time she won’t hook up with him because she needs a high value guy and doesn’t want to be judged bad and if she’s hot she can get sex from lots of other dudes so there’s not much scarcity involved to make her push back against her friends judgement. The exceptions are generally 1) ugly chicks, 2) EXTREMELY strong willed independent types but those tend to be 3) older women in their 30s who give no fucks. The young <25yo types tend to care more about judgement.
I don't have to do this very much anymore, my vibe is different from a lot of normal guys so usually if a girl is into me she's into me and the AMOG types aren't really an issue because they're spitting just an entirely different style of game at her that she's seen a million times but what I'm doing has her intrigued so I can just let the dude blow himself out and lol to her about it afterward like "shit I was just about to leave you two alone he was doing so well, I think he might be The One" and she'll go barf no lol
But when I was younger and had less stability in my vibe I had to compete with guys a lot more and the above shit won me the girl pretty much every time.
You can do all of this out of earshot of the other dude too usually so he had no idea what happened and can't kick your ass (since I know 10 badass MMA bros are about to reply that they would break my face if I tried this on them grrrr lol). From the other guy's perspective all he experiences is that the girl suddenly went cold on him and he's blown out and confused and she won't explain because it's embarrassing to say "I would have fucked you but the ppl I'm with think you're low value so now I can't fuck you or they'll judge me".
She might take/give a number if she likes him, in the hopes that she can tell her friends she was just being nice but with the intention of txting to go on a date sometime but it should fuck up the guy's Same Night Lay and give you enough of a window to get your dick in first lol
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So how do you recognize when another guy has c0ckbl0ked you? And how do you deal with it?
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It’s pretty rare. I’m extremely pro-active with that shit because I know every guy in the bar is looking to sweep in like a vulture so I don’t leave a lot of windows for them to walk thru.
Sometimes it’s subtle things, like when I sit at a table with a girl (for a day1 with an online girl, a day2 with a live pickup, or for isolation the night we’ve met) I’ll make sure that her back is to the room. So I’ll pick a table against a wall or in a corner of the room VS the center and I’ll take the seat against the wall so i see her and the entire room but all she sees is me and the wall right behind me. That way I see any potential cockblocks coming a mile away or guys sizing her up etc, and she doesn’t see anything but me so no one else can distract her from behind me etc, and with her back to the room guys can’t tell what she really looks like except part of her back view so she’s not pinging on every dudes radar like she would be if we sat in the middle of the room or I had my back to the room and she was the one with her back against the wall seeing the room and on display for it.
So right there with that subtle little move (I arrive first for meeting up so I can pick the optimal table for this and order myself a beer so I don’t have to order her a drink lol) I’ve eliminated a lot of potential cockblocking the a guy who sat in a different location or arrangement would potentially have to deal with. I’ll do a similar thing standing up, just step to the side a bit to position ourselves where I can see the room and she can’t.
This also helps her forget that the rest of the room is full of ppl watching so she loosens up more and it’s easier to escalate to sexual topics and makeouts and thigh stroking etc to prime for the lay. VS if she could see the entire room and her ASD flared up.
Then there’s the more extreme moves. If a guy is coming over (everyone in the room is on my mental radar, I’m paying attention to which guys are checking her out or approaching us), I know he’s coming to AMOGS so before he can get a word out I’ll put my arms around her waist and literally pick her up and carry her a few feet away and set her down with her back to the guy. It’s a quick emotional spike of excitement for her to be picked up and it avoids having to deal with the guy at all and it’s such an unexpected move that guys are caught by surprise and don’t know how to respond and the social pressure of feeling like they just got tooled usually makes them cave and go back to their buddies or try a different target.
If a guy gets in set I’ll just get him to qualify himself to me and compliment him and basically just be very slightly cooler than him but in a friendly way. I know why he’s there, he’s there with a goal in mind, I don’t get lazy and think he’s just some nice dude being friendly. Like I’ll treat him that way but I’ll be very aware if he starts asking my girl’s opinion on something or shifting his focus more to her etc and drop a “hey nice to meet you we gotta go” and lead her off mid-sentence.
The key there is to get her away from him before he can hook/intrigue her. Like if she listens to him long enough to be interested in what he’s saying even if it’s just “no no wait I want to answer this, men lie wayyy more than women!!”, it’s a much harder battle than if you had moved her away before he could hook her curiousity.
If a guy tries to ridicule me or make fun of me to the girl with me in set with him, he’s digging his own grave lol. I just have way more social experience than him because I’ve gone out more and had to think on my feet more and my calibration and humor is sharper. It’s like trying to heckle a comedian…good luck, you’re gonna need it lol. Usually I just go over the top with agree & amplify humor till it gets into sexual or gay jokes and then most guys look uncomfortable and they’re done. Another move is to agree & amplify and if he’s keeping up with it just suddenly pull the plug on it so he’s still in humor mode and you’re in “uhh dude the joke’s over bro” mode. Like a “aaaand now you’ve taken it a bit too far bro that got weird lol” with a smile and a lol but just demo’ing that you’re slightly more socially calibrated than him.
There’s lots more lol I’ll throw girls at them to distract them sometimes too if they’re generally cool friendly guys and not douches. And if they’re super chodey nerds I’ll let them hit on her for a bit cause they’re harmless.
If the guy gets her isolated (which should be VERY difficult because I don’t leave windows open like that. If a guy gets my girl in isolation it means I fucked up huge to let that happen), I’ll work her friends and lower the guy’s value to them so they go do my dirty work for me and cockblock him. Also it helps that I’m an average looking dude, so guys expect me to be a pushover that’ll be easy to take a girl from lol they’re usually stunned when I’m running circles around them in set spiking the girls temps and getting them to instinctively be on the defensive qualifying and blowing themselves out etc. like it’s a total blindside. If I was some 6’4″ 6-packed dude in a suit they’d probably come in more prepared and it’d be a bit tougher.
Search for “AMOG” in my archives for more and detailed explanations of getting high value guys to qualify themselves and feel insecure etc.
I don’t necessarily fuck the girl every time, but I can make sure HE doesn’t get to either lol and I can usually get myself a window of opportunity off it to at least try for the lay.
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A little off-topic, but the perennial question as always: How the fuck do you people carry on any conversation whatsoever given the background decibel levels of the typical 21st Century night life destination? I can barely hear people in most upscale restaurants anymore – they pack in so many customers, so close together, and then they jack up the background music, and all the trendy restaurants now have the kitchen right next to the eating area, so you’ve got all the kitchen noise to deal with, etc etc etc.
tldr; == To hell with 110dB background noise. Day Game FTW.
[CH: some scenes are worse than others. i stay away from bars and clubs where i know the management loves to blast the music at jet engine levels.]
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that’s really the opposite of how I play it. I have manners and I put my women back to wall and I basically dare mfers to try and pull anything. Ain’t nobody in there better than me, I smirk and am generally amused by the feeble attempts of chumps who pull shit like you.
And believe me, guys do…and the girls are very adamant about not telling me what that guy just said until after we’ve left and there is no risk I am going to seriously hurt him. Some dudes are straight up insulting, talking shit to the girl but never within earshot. Happens all the time but it’s never worked once.
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Do a tour of the venue figuring out where all the lower sound areas are so you know where to take girls. Usually the dance floor is loud as fuck but look at the speaker layout and walk around and figure out where the music is quiter. Often there’s a little side area or another bar on the other side of the room or in some corner or there’s a stairwell or hallway or smoking area or patio area etc. bartenders need to be able to hear customer orders so often the bar areas furthest from the dance floor are lower. Sometimes they throw some extra speakers on that side of the room so you want to map the venue out. Also it’ll change at different points in the night…usually they jack the music up louder between 10 or 11 and 2 so try going earlier…it means less sets available and a different lower energy vibe but it also means you can probably get in a solid hour of quality conversation.
Then just when she’s mid-sentence right after you open and give her some flirty eyes and make her lol thru your subcomms, just point at your ear and shake your head to imply you can’t hear what she’s saying and motion toward the nearest quiet pocket and lead her there. Or motion a cigarette and take her out to the quieter smoking/patio area and then just talk like normal and say oh I don’t smoke I just wanted to hear what you were saying so anyway– and roll into your usual shit. Could do the same with a drink motion like implying “do you want a drink? Let’s go get drinks over here” and then take her to a quiet pocket and brush off the drink stuff.
Ppl who complain that nightclubs are too loud are usually just overwhelmed guys who don’t do much nightclub game and they try opening in the loud areas because that’s where their friends are etc and assume the entire club is that loud and write it off in a huff. We all did the same thing. Most clubs have quiet areas…they may be way far away from the crowded areas but that just means you gotta work on your “open her without words and get her to trust you enough to follow you” game lol
I don’t even bother with live music venues. They jack the music up SO fucking loud and are generally so small that the only time I can hear myself talk is between sets. Like nightclubs are usually the biggest and pubs tend to have multiple rooms and shit but little tiny live music venues are usually brutal for conversation. But even then you could theoretically open non-verbally and motion to go for a smoke.
You could always type on your phone and show the girl the screen lol might try that sometime. Good # close “you’re cute but I can’t hear shit gimme your # so I can woo you thru txt messages” lol that would probably work great in those venues.
Louder the volume and the less you can rely on your verbals, the tighter your sub-comms have to be so look at it as practice for your non-verbals. CAN you get her to follow you to a quieter area? If not WHY a not? That kind of thing.
Or do day game lol
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@trav
Lol
Like I said “since I know 10 badass MMA bros are about to reply that they would break my face if I tried this on them grrrr lol”. You forgot to mention how many UFC lessons you have and I think a story about how you scared this one high school kid off with an angry steel glare would really solidify your badass image.
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I have to say that I’ve never really cared if I got c0ckbl0ked with one girl because I usually have several to choose from. (Maybe I should change my handle to “IDC”.) And I usually charm the other guys, too, eventually, so mostly they leave my girls alone. One player originally asked my wife to dance without asking me first. Another night, when he saw that we were together, he asked my permission to ask her to dance.
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These are good replies, but the Jerkboy response could be problematic. If the CB is an ugly, nasty bitch, you really don’t want to invite her along. Still, I’ve always thought the best response is the re-reverse psychology during my post-weekend monday morning PUA quarterback sessions.
Another, more dark triad, move I’ve discovered since then: when she’s not looking, reach into her purse and take the cell phone out and put into your pocket. Make sure to turn the phone off or take out the battery. Then aim to isolate your target via a venue change and ditch her friend. Tell your target, “Let’s just go get drink x at bar y (claim they are having a special, or make up any other excuse) and we’ll come right back to your friend.”
When you reach the next bar, make a quick trip to the bathroom, take out the battery and throw it in the trash. Then, back at the bar slip the phone back into her purse when she’s not looking.
The reason this works is because usually the CB will start calling her friend, but since the phone is disabled your target will not be distracted. When your target doesn’t hear from her friend she may become concerned, but just reassure her: “I guess your friend found someone for herself! No need to worry about her, she’s a big girl who can take care of herself.” Your target may even pull her phone out and try to make a call, but it won’t work. Just quickly tell her, “I guess your phone died.” If she asks for your phone, just tell her you don’t have it on you. You shouldn’t go out at night with a phone, leave the phone at home. If a woman wants to give your her number she can write it down.
At this point she’s totally isolated with you and the CB is nowhere to be found. Offer her a ride home and magically find yourself at your apartment, or just use the bathroom line at her place. Either way the bang is yours to lose at this point.
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As for the No Shampoo Challenge, I guess I should update the manosphere to my hair schedule sometime. I have to use anti-Dandruff Shampoo now because about a year after I wrote that article I started to experience hair loss. I tried some topical solutions (Rogaine type of stuff) but it wasn’t doing shit, so I switched to propecia and the hair loss has slowed down dramatically. Rather than spend ungodly amounts for the drug I just bought a year’s supply from some Indian company for dirt cheap:
http://fortunehealthcare.eworldtradefair.com/haircaremedicines.html
99% of the people I meet have no idea that I even have any hair loss, the pills work so good. The hair line is now receding gracefully, rather than going full scalp mode. There is also a small risk of propecia causing infertility, but it only affects 2% of men so the risks are negligible. Also, when I first started to take the pills, I felt a slight ball ache but it went away in a few days. This means that should the finestride (the rX name for propecia) cause you any problems, you’ll feel it and can just stop taking the pill. So there’s no risk.
But anyhow, back to the shampoo. What I’ve discovered is that when I started to lose hair, the very composition of my scalp started to change dramatically. Far more grease and dandruff builds up, for whatever reason. So anywhere from 1-3 times a week, I now use this stuff:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CAX7WII/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Some men even claim this stuff grows hair back, but haven’t noticed anything like that. However, it does get rid of dandruff without making my hair frizzy and it cleans the scalp without nuking it. It’s just a superior European product that any man who is experiencing hair loss (which is 70% of men) should get to keep his hair in top condition.
I still have friends who do not use shampoo and aren’t experiencing hair loss, and their hair looks amazing. Thus I know that going without shampoo won’t cause hair loss. I only wish I had gone without shampoo when I was a teen. I could have gone to college with lothario hair had I only known.
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sorry about the hair brother, i know the pain. i thought i was losing it twenty years ago and went into panic mode on vitamins and anything else i could think of
i kept my hair very short thinking longer tangled hair would leave me sooner. and then i used baby shampoo. and then i stopped altogether. and minoxidil works for me, luckily. so it doesn’t look like i’ve lost hair unless you knew me at 18
routine now is very stiff bristle hairbrush while in the shower to keep it separated, very rare nizoral shampooing for the hair-loss help it supposedly provides, and daily minoxidil for < $100 a year. but the no-shampooing has allowed me to grow out my hair now and actually like it again, it was too frizzy before.
good luck!
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I went for a week once without using shampoo, I didn’t like it. If it actually improves quality of hair after 8 or however many weeks I might consider it but one guy’s story is not enough for me to do it. Aside from that, I take it CH has a lot of experience talking to women in a pickup situation. For some reason I assumed CH knew women through other means. All the men I knew who were had ladies around them a lot just knew them _somehow_. They never needed to do any pickup type things. Lastly, I took the the fat girl’s wording to not be a cockblock as much as saying “Oh you go on with him and poor old me will just stay here… by myself… alone…” sad face. It is sort of nice to hear that isn’t it? It means, women want to get attention from men as much as we are told by feminists that talking to them might seem like defusing a land mine you stepped on.
[CH: pickup and social circle game needn’t be mutually exclusive pursuits.]
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Ignore this no shampoo bs. Your hair will smell like hippy’s dreads. Just horrible. I remember I had sex with a dreaded canadian ages ago. That horrible smell killed my boner in no time. Still cant get it out of my mind.
I went on “no shampoo”mode many times in my life (mostly when I was hiking or camping,or tried to treat the greasy hair problem) and it’s rubbish. Your hair will look like shit. I mean it will pass the terribly greasy, almost wet looking stage and will improve after a week or so.But than it will still look dirty.
A good advice would be to try to wash it less frequently, this helps.
Don’t forget that the no-shampoo advice is given by Roosh who is a borderline lunatic and looks like he is about to turn “spiritual” and schizophrenic, judging by his recent videos. His female equivalent would be a yoga practicing 35 years old. He also happen to be of a middle eastern race, and their hair is structurally different from white dudes.
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Agreed, after a week of experimenting, it began to look as if I’ve been living in a tent. And I suppose it would be in character for Roosh to come up with a conspiracy theory about the harmful effects of shampoo usage. Sorry about your hippy problems there.
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my non-stink might just be that i naturally smell wonderful but i doubt it. i think it’s more that dreads stink than unwashed hair does. i had to ask a particularly blunt girl i know if my hair smelled odd. it really doesn’t. i do brush it under the shower though so all the ‘grease chunk’ stuff was news to me. my scalp is smooth and my hair has no detritus.
i don’t use soap though either, aside from baby soap in the key areas. mostly just a big body brush everywhere to get rid of any old skin gattaca-style.
i attribute that brush with a lot of the success i’ve had with my face staying young. it hurts, but it’s like a little chemical peel every day.
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“long-term commitment and eventual progeny.” Ahh, my brother, I detect an ulterior motive. Of course, I am a 50 year-old married man with 5 kids, so I share the motive. To strengthen this Country.
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I’ve had five myself and wouldn’t mind making a few more – all for the Country, of course.
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Heartiste,what do you think about Chris Kyle,the American sniper?
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American Beta! Although a lot of men will want to make him/movie into an alpha.
The truth of the matter is that the armed forces need betas which is why they get them while they are young. Women love to cheat on their beta armed forces husbands.
If you had a bunch of alphas in the armed forces they would of stormed the neocons in Washington by now.
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Here’s everything you need to know about Chris Kyle. http://mpmacting.com/blog/2014/7/19/truth-justice-and-the-curious-case-of-chris-kyle
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He was a neocon-loving sicko who loved to kill people. Funnily, he showed how the neocon stooges cared nothing about Iraq as the official propaganda had claimed they did: he said he “couldn’t give a flying fuck about the Iraqis” and hated them all – he just wanted to kill. He was also a vicious liar, as those who profit from serving the neocons usually are.
In his book he writes about how those he killed were “all evil and deserved to die”. They were resistance fighters, defending their country against a Zio-globalist invasion based on lies. I wish one of them had killed him, since he was acting against White interests by attacking the Israeli lobby’s targets, the few M.E. countries that have given support to the Palestinian resistance.
(President Hussein was a secular, anti-Islamist leader who was completely devoted to being an American ally. He invaded Iran with American money, when Iranians overthrew the CIA-installed shah tyrant. But he gave money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers, so all of Iraq had to be destroyed. He gave them money because they knew nothing about what their sons were doing – they didn’t want to lose their sons, who never told them about their plans – but Israelis then illegally destroyed their homes, with just an hour’s notice. Destroying everything they had. If they lived in an apartment building, everyone else living there also lost their homes and all they had. Hussein gave these victims some money, so the Israeli lobby in Washington demanded he be destroyed.)
Chris Kyle lied several times in his book. He wrote a story about how two robbers came up to him and tried to take his car, which he was standing by. Kyle claimed he shot them dead instantly, holding the gun under his arm like in an action movie. Then he claims that when the police showed up to question him, his driver’s license directed them to talk to the DoD. (’cause he’s like a secret agent with a license to kill when he works for the military, right?)
Problem: never happened. No robbery reported in that county, no bodies, no police reports, no reports in the media, nothing. The police deny it all.
Chris Kyle also wrote that during Hurricane Katrina, he and a buddy went to New Orleans and set up their sniper rifles on the top of the Superdome, shooting dozens of looters down below. Never happened. Of course that would have been national news. There are no media reports, no police reports, no dead looters by the Superdome, no statement from the military. Nothing.
Chris Kyle uses his book to defame former governor Jesse Ventura, a critic of the neocons’ hijacking of the GOP and their anti-American wars. The neocon servant lied up a story about Jesse Ventura badmouthing Navy Seals in a bar where they were mourning a fallen comrade. Jesse was supposed to have said the dead “deserved to die”. The oh-so-gallant Chris Kyle walked up and politely asked him to stop, upon which the evil Jesse Ventura picked a fight. Chris Kyle then floored him with one punch, blackening his eye. At a Seals party later, guests laughed at the evildoer Jesse Ventura and asked who had beaten him.
Never happened. Jesse Ventura never met Kyle in that bar. No witnesses corroborate the story. At the Seals party Ventura went to, pictures show he did not have a black eye.
But this story was told again and again to boost sales of the book. It had been shaky until then. The Jewish publisher at Harper Collins called the story “hot hot hot” and sent Chris Kyle to talk about it at several talk shows, upon which sales took off. Even after Ventura made this a legal matter did they keep up the pretense in interviews. Millions of dollars racked in, and a blow for the neocons against their critics was struck.
Jesse Ventura won the court case. By then the mercenary/liar Kyle had been killed by another mercenary. The media then used a new angle: “How dare Jesse Ventura take money from a (murder-approving, lie-approving, greedy, now millionaire) widow! Evil!” Of course, if Jesse Ventura had stopped the case when the liar died, they’d have said he was afraid of losing instead.
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Arbiter
A question. Do you care that much about the Iraqis or the Palestinians? And if so, why?
I did not care much about the Kurdish people until they went WAY out of their way to keep my blonde haired daughter very safe when she was there on a “special mission.” I tend to remember that kind of thing for a long time and am tempted to believe that it reveals about them. Like, they understand how the world works. They are steadily winning their wars. They held onto Kobane. They have a good reputation for honesty. The women are to die for.
That is what I like about their aborning nation.
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Thanks for the color Arbiter.
I know an Iraqi who made it to America. He said that Hussein was a bad dude but he maintained order in the country. Christians were living next to Muslims in peace. They had modern highways and facilities. Once the U.S. bombed their infrastructure into the stone age it unleashed all types of evil. Hundreds of thousands of secular and Christian men, women and children have died and millions still live like animals with no electricity.
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Arbiter
A question. Do you care that much about the Iraqis or the Palestinians? And if so, why?
I did not care much about the Kurdish people until they went WAY out of their way to keep my blonde haired daughter very safe when she was there on a “special mission.”
Kurd loving is the new fashion among neocon lovers it seems. Yay the Kurds! Little lies by omission help the new illusion. Bush and his Jews talked about how “there’s an al-Qaeda training camp in Iraq!” and didn’t mention that the camp was located in KURD territory.
Why was your traitor daughter there on a “special mission” for globalist aims? Giving White people’s resources to the non-Whites no doubt, or taking part in the media’s propaganda.
Why I care? Why don’t you care about lies? There are countless lies piling up in the globalist invasions and propping up of tyrants in the Middle East, on the one condition that they turn a blind eye to the Palestinian genocide, the all-encompassing issue. Why don’t you care about thousands of Whites dying for lies, and hundreds of thousands of Middle easterners being killed by mercenaries? Do you still wonder why they would strike back? Surely you know by now that half a million children were killed in Iraq alone by twelve years of starvation sanctions and bombing of their infrastructure? They couldn’t even import baby formula. They died from dirty water when water refineries were bombed for that purpose. Tribe Madeleine Albright confirmed the number of dead and said it was “worth it” in an MSNBC interview that was quickly removed from their homepage. On top of that, the “war on terror” is used to make us live in police states, with hundreds of millions of crimes against the Constitution by the NSA, which searches people’s mail without a warrant. Back in the British Empire opening someone’s mail lead to an execution, as well it should.
Everyone who has to live with Kurds despises them. In the West they act just like Arabs, there is zero difference: parasites, criminals, voting for mass immigration.
The globalists always ally with the worst in every region. Allying with Arabs in Iraq to attack the Persians when they broke free of the CIA-installed shah. Allying with Kurds against Iraq. Allying with Albanians to attack Serbs. That was done by Madeleine Albright, “Sandy” Berger and Wesley Clark, all Tribe members. As Clark says, “there is no place for ethnically homogenous states in modern Europe.” That was the reason they attacked. Almost all the Albanians in Kosovo are illegal aliens, and they were the ones Serbia tried to remove, not the ones with citizenship.
Palestinians are highly successful in trade in Northern Africa and Latin America, where they have been for generations. They would be a prosperous nation if their land hadn’t been invaded by the Zionists with American and British money and arms. Hundreds of villages erased from the map. Tens of thousands killed or starved to death. Then the Zionist terrorist groups started murdering British soldiers to make the Brits leave the land they had invaded to take it from the Ottomans and give it to the Zios. Once again, the globalists ally with the worst against a better people. The Zionists have systematically destroyed Palestinian infrastructure – destroying their olive groves for example, which take fifteen years to grow before they bear fruit. Digging up water lines and power lines. All to impoverish the Palestinians so a few of them will strike back, which gives the Zionists an excuse to attack them, with the media deploring Palestinian aggression.
You wonder why I care? We are the Palestinians of the future. The Zionists who want hegemony in the Middle East support mass immigration in the West. Not just in word but in action. When the FPÖ entered government in Austria Israel immediately pulled out its embassy and started talking with EU governments about isolating Austria politically and financially, to “punish” the uppity Whites. Israel gets access to EU’s free-trade area without having to open its own market to free trade, the only country with that deal. They use Western blood and money to control the Middle East, as none can stand against the Israeli lobby and keep his career, as many have testified. Naturally a few Arabs will eventually strike back – and then they’re called the aggressors. Because people are sheep with no knowledge of what the people they vote for actually do. Like in France. The government sends soldiers to a dozen countries, and the people vote for them, making them guilty of aiding murder. And they wonder why anyone would strike back?
We need to expose the lies that are used to make us servants of our enemies.
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I know an Iraqi who made it to America. He said that Hussein was a bad dude but he maintained order in the country. Christians were living next to Muslims in peace. They had modern highways and facilities. Once the U.S. bombed their infrastructure into the stone age it unleashed all types of evil.
Exactly. The Christians ran liquor stores in Baghdad. Iraq’s foreign minister Tariq Aziz was a Catholic. There were Western-style concerts on the fields outside the capital. The country prospered, and President Hussein was a staunch U.S. ally. But he became a target of the Israeli lobby for supporting the Palestinian resistance, so the ally had to be killed and his entire country bombed on average once a week for twelve years before it was finally invaded based on lies about links to al-Qaeda, Hussein’s staunch enemy.
As for Kuwait, it was selling more oil than its agreed-upon share, counting on the other OPEC members to stick to the rules and holding up the price. (Oil is a price elastic good, so reducing production makes the price rise disproportionately high so you benefit from it.) Kuwait was also drilling for oil in under the Iraqi border. Iraq tried to negotiate, but when their negotiators showed up for a planned meeting in the UN building, the Kuwaiti emir’s guys snubbed them. They did everything to make sure Iraq would attack. They had been given guarantees by the globalists of their support in that case.
All the Gulf states said the Kuwait problem was for Iraq to solve. It wasn’t a real country, it was a bit of Mesopotamia cut off by the British invaders to use as BP’s oil pump in collaboration with an installed local “emir”. Iraq even asked the American ambassador for a green light before invading Kuwait, upon which the ambassador said, “In Arab-Arab conflict, such as your conflict with Kuwait, we have no opinion.” Only then, and after Kuwait’s refusal to negotiate, did they finally attack.
One third of Kuwait’s population were Palestinians, who supported Iraq rather than the emir who had dissolved parliament and ruled without restraint, stealing the country’s money for himself. Others also supported Iraq.
The Kuwaiti emir immediately jumped into his limousine and drove to Saudi Arabia. Then hired a PR firm in New York to make up lies about the Iraqis. They made up the false story about Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators – just like “Germans killing babies with bayonets” in WW I. The PR firm did this while being visited frequently by officials from CIA-Bush’s White House.
Until then senators cared nothing about the issue. They knew what Kuwait had done, and Iraq was their ally. Like Saudi Arabia and others they saw this as a fitting end for British Petroleum’s eye sore, Kuwait. But with the false incubator story in the Zionist media (the girl who testified was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador in New York, not a nurse, and she’d been in New York the whole time) they had to support Bush’s and the Israeli lobby’s attack or lose support. They supported Bush’s attack with a small margin.
Bush also lied about Iraq building up an invasion force on the Saudi border, to make the Saudis agree to stationing American mercenaries in their land in permanent bases. Russian and commercial satellite pictures later showed that it was a lie.
Then Iraq was bombed for twelve years. Note, Usama bin Ladin approved of the U.S. attack on the secular Iraq. But he was appalled by the starvation sanctions and years of bombing of Iraqi water refineries, bridges, power plants (killing people by denying them air conditioning in the blistering summer heat) afterward. That was when he decided to give up his wealthy life and take up arms in a struggle he knew would lead to his own death.
But surely “they hate us for our freedom!”.
American voters have dug their grave, and a grave for all of us. When you boast about controlling your government through democracy, then its crimes are yours.
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Rum, you should read Antiwar, which is a right-wing website opposed to the neocon hijacking of the GOP. They have a lot of good information. A lot of information about that and domestic U.S. issues can also be found at LewRockwell, though you can ignore the more extreme libertarian solutions. (They have to say “we’re opposed to all government planning, not just Affirmative Action” to avoid being accused of racism, sexism etc.)
Many also recommend Steve Sailer and others at Unz com, which I don’t read much myself because of time restraints. And Takimag and VDare. These are part of the paleoconservative right, a reaction to the RINO neocons who are feeding lies to Americans.
Btw, the owner of Antiwar is Justin Raimondo, a homosexual opposed to the agenda of the leftist homosexual organizations, which makes them hate him. And Ron Unz is Tribe. Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams who write at LewRockwell about Black race hustlers are Black themselves. I’m saying this for those who need to know there’s diversity in the reaction.
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>>> […] Kuwait […]. It wasn’t a real country, it was a bit of Mesopotamia cut off by the British invaders to use as BP’s oil pump in collaboration with an installed local “emir”.
You are describing, ==exactly==, the birth of the Kingdom of Jordan. But you’re ok with ==that==.
In case you didn’t notice, Arbiter:
Spain was liberated from Arabic colonialism in 1492.
Rakhine State is being liberated from Arabic colonialism ==right now==
Jerusalem will be tomorrow.
By the way, we will complete the restoration of the Levantine Christians’ indigenous language – Aramaic – within three generations.
Restoring Gaza to its Coptic-speaking indigenii will take a bit longer.
Enjoy your Ebonics-speaking great-grandchildren, Arbiter.
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Hey, Sniper. What do you feel when you kill someone?
Recoil.
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That “reverse cockblock” shit doesn’t work if you’ve done your job properly and she’s really into you. Once she’s thoroughly under your spell, it doesn’t matter if the wannabe cockblock says something like that to her (as long as you don’t get annoyed or let it rattle you).
The cockblocking I can’t fucking stand, and which is the most challenging in a crowded environment like a packed club or bar, is when the friend swoops in and does the drag away just as you “hook” your girl. You do your approach and say “blah blah blah,” eye contact locked, touch her right, and her initial resistance or wariness disappears and she shows the first sign of submission. Her friend sees this happening and rushes over to take her away.
The most frustrating aspect of this is that the tighter my game is–the faster and more obviously she responds like I want her to–the faster the friend swoops in and the harder she pulls her away. The likelihood and the intensity of the cockblocking seems dependent on how hot and young the girl is, especially in relation to the girls in her group. If she’s the “prize” of the group then the cockblocking takes less than a minute.
There have been nights when I reapproached a girl 3-4 times and the cockblock insisted on doing the drag away each time. More than once the cockblock had this look on her face that she was impressed (becoming attracted to me) because of my dogged persistence, but continued to deny me.
Apparently some groups of girls will make a pact before they go out that no one is “hooking up” or doing anything besides making out, and the Mother Hen will feel like it his her duty to enforce that pact no matter what, for the good of the other girls–she genuinely feels like she’s acting in the best interest of the girl you’re trying to bang.
The only real solution that works consistently is having a solid wingman. One with real game and an understanding of whats going on as events unfold. Whether he’s gonna take the “grenade” for the night and make her feel special and stick it in her, or if he’s merely gonna babysit the hippo with stories and pics of puppies, or if he simply needs to smokescreen the mother hen for long enough that you can escape. Being able to find an excellent wingman and cultivate that dynamic is the next level of game.
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The cockblock you describe should be whipped. Seriously, why isn’t whipping a punishment anymore?
There are many acts that are legal but worse than many things that are illegal. Cockblocking is one of them. The bitch knows that the man has to build rapport, that he depends on things being unspoken and having time alone. She knows that he can’t call her on what she’s doing because of the need for the seduction to not be explicit. She is taking advantage of that to attack in order to feel her power. It is just like hecklers, taking advantage of a speaker’s exposed position, while they wouldn’t dare confront him face to face when he was off the stage. I hate this kind of behavior as it is completely dishonorable. And I hate the fact that honor means zero to many people today, so you can’t even explain to them what is wrong with this behavior.
In CH’s list, the 3 is the one I have encountered, I suspect it is by far the most common. One reason why I am glad I don’t pick up at night clubs or bars nowadays. I do cold opens and I have found other venues, and I worked hard to find them.
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You have it backwards. The one where the cockblock hooks the woman is actually going to fail miserably if you’ve done a solid approach and the girl is into you. She’ll tell her friend she doesn’t want to leave, and even if she gets pulled away she’ll come back to you.
Conversely the reverse-cockblock works off guilt, which is basically an unstoppable emotion among girlfriends.
Of course, you’d know this if you’ve done any serious approaching.
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I ran into a different kind of cockblock the other day. A fairly attractive but older (about 30-ish) woman, whom I had briefly chatted with a few months ago, had made eye contact with me, but she was engaged in a convo with another dude who was not her boyfriend or anything. Anyway, I finally decide to say hello. The dude immediately started going on about how I was a “classic cockblocker”. She acted rather embarrassed, but made no attempt to shut me away. He continued, adding that “cockblocking is a sport around here”, and so on. I ejected, mentally shaking my head at his heated, almost desperate attitude, and figuring I could sarge her later if I see her again, since she seems a regular there. Yeah, I could probably have easily Agreed and Amplified, but I was feeling a bit lazy to let the guy start a scene over a 6.5, who also turned out to be divorced.
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Lol, probably made the right choice. The analogy which popped in my head when you mentioned not starting a scene was two dogs fighting for scraps.
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You should have said something like, “Wow. Okay, I’m gonna let you do your thing” and left. Maybe that’s what you mean A&A would have been in this case?
As for the guy, he could have let you talk for a moment and then made his disapproval clear in a discreet way. He could have started a sentence with “Anyway….”, that’s enough. Depending on who the (supposed) cockblocker is. A guy who just came up with no intention of sabotaging anything would have taken the hint.
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You should have said something like, “Wow. Okay, I’m gonna let you do your thing” and left.
Ha, I pretty much did that with my body language when I ejected. Sometimes, actually saying things kills the effect.
Maybe that’s what you mean A&A would have been in this case?
I was thinking along the lines of, “Yeah, I’m one of the top cockblockers in town, you’re not getting lucky tonight, sorry dude,” etc.
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Long time reader first time posting. Thanks to CH I have upped my game and in 2014 fucked a 22 year old and a 26 year old. I’m 39. Great experience which totally give me a new lease of life. However longer term I had problems with both girls. After a while I realized that they live in a totally different generation to me. One loved Justin Bieber ffs. I had little in common with them and found conversation banal and time with them boring & shallow apart form the fucking.
I also met two 40 year olds and just totally gelled with them better. So it’s not all magnificent banging young girls.
[CH: selective filtering helps you here. there are plenty of younger women who aren’t pop culture whores.]
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I think your experience matches up with the kind of women we are starting to see in America. Try Latino if you want something a little more real in the way of a relationship otherwise your point about older women is spot on.
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yep.
quote from this article sums it up nicely:
“differences in ages also mean differences in life experience and cultural reference points. Generations may be an invention, but they are meaningful nonetheless.”
http://www.businessinsider.com/marriages-have-the-best-chance-of-surviving-with-this-age-difference-2014-11?utm_content=buffer86865&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
[CH: if an older man is seriously concerned about generational incompatibility, and he’s seriously interested in sex with younger women (and why wouldn’t he be?), then he has it within his means to devote some time and energy to acquainting himself with current culture touchstones. quick example: pitchfork.com will get you up to speed with the latest white hipster girl music in about an hour.]
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Incidentally, I was on a date with a mid-thirties woman today, and couldn’t help compare her with two other girls from the same country that I have dated in the past, who were about ten years younger. This woman looks a lot younger than she is, I’d even say she looks almost ten years younger. And she is warm and fun to talk to. It was much more pleasant than the other girls. Though I shouldn’t compare these three just because they come from the same country.
A nice touch was how she wore a glittery sweater and an elaborate necklace on a weekday. You’d have to see it, but it was a feminine touch.
I tried to invite myself to her place, but she wasn’t prepared for that. (We have met each other through a hobby activity before, this was the first time we met outside of that, and it was with an excuse to go look at something, so not an official date – I never make it an official date.) But definite IOIs. When we hugged goodbye she made a sound with her lips close to my cheek, I think she was trying to kiss my cheek but missed. That was funny.
The only other approach I have done in the last five weeks was a girl who apparently just wanted to go out and do things together, with no intention of taking it further. Wouldn’t she know that’s what I want? I think girls make themselves not know. That way they don’t have to feel like they are being dishonest.
A long time ago I would have kept going on hopeless dates with that girl in the hope that a spark would emerge out of nothing. Instead I invited her over to my place in text messages after two dates. I knew that she would come up with an excuse – and she did, and then I wrote nothing more. No use spending your time and energy. Yet another thing I learned from PUA/manosphere teachings.
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“[CH: if an older man is seriously concerned about generational incompatibility, and he’s seriously interested in sex with younger women (and why wouldn’t he be?), then he has it within his means to devote some time and energy to acquainting himself with current culture touchstones. quick example: pitchfork.com will get you up to speed with the latest white hipster girl music in about an hour.]”
i have no doubt that you are absolutely correct. i’m just not very motivated to learn anything new just to get girls. young or otherwise. doesn’t seem worth it to me anymore. probably because i’m happy with the girl i’ve got and i’m getting lazy in my old age.
some people will think i’m weak or settling because i’m not interested in trying to game young ones but there’s a lot to be said for having someone from the same generation who really gets you. someone you don’t have to train or learn new things for just so you can relate to her. someone who wants to make you happy and who you don’t have to work all that hard to keep. that’s worth more to me than a young body and the inevitable stress and headaches that come with it.
i don’t begrudge anyone for going for the young ones though. to each his own.
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“I think your experience matches up with the kind of women we are starting to see in America.”
agreed. no matter how much we want to believe that age doesn’t matter, that just isn’t the case. being with someone from a totally different generation is like being with someone from a different planet. a quick bang or two with a young body might be fun once in awhile but in reality, it isn’t usually worth all the other crap that comes along with it.
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I’ve been dating a series of women 30+ years younger than myself. It helps that I’m American and they’re Korean or Korean-American. We recognize the different cultural backgrounds and so have less expectations about age differences.
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i have no doubt that big age differences aren’t as big a factor with women from other countries. it’s basically young american girls i can’t take for very long. annoying as hell.
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“i have no doubt that big age differences aren’t as big a factor with women from other countries. it’s basically young american girls i can’t take for very long. annoying as hell.”
Agree.
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Just to follow up slightly – for instance a parent of mine is going through a terminal illness and not once do these young girls ask about it or how I am doing. Too busy texting their friends about banal shit. I agree though better filtering may work here but a lot of American young girls I meet are all into this pop culture crap. They unknowingly take part in the dumbing down of their culture and for someone who ahs taken the red pill -it can be hard to deal with and you come across as cynical.
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Remember stories about forced urban “diversity” in USA, i.e. when the fed gov moves refugees from Somalia, Egypt, ghetto population into “normal”, white neighborhoods?
http://whitegenocideproject.com/white-genocide-white-suburbs-soon-legally-forced-to-accept-racial-diversity/
Thought you can escape shitty parts of town by moving elsewhere and leave problems in the ghetto?
Well, the Frenchies thought that as well. Now, the French socialist governement will move ghetto population in all parts of Paris (and the rest of the country?)
And what is left from the urban middle class, that voted the socialists into power, will pay it in taxes and urbad diversity buildings/projects.
All your money and kids are belong to usss, fight the aparheid, SJW say!
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/01/22/french-government-tries-to-heal-apartheid-in-troubled-suburbs.html
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Spirou has the solution to France’s problems:
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In my experience and I’ve had this happen more than a few times. The only problem I see with the approach of Agree and Amplify(which is an amazing option) on it’s own is that the girl you are taking home will still on some level have feelings of guilt and guaranteed she will speak to you about it by saying shit on the way home with you like “Do you think she’s really mad at me?” or “Why do I feel bad” or “I hope she’s not mad at me”. Yes, you may have remedied the situation and you get to take the girl home but there still will be some damage control… My experiences have lead me to believe that the best option is to turn the cockblock into just THAT in the woman’s eyes I.E. turn the cockblock into her enemy at least temporarily and temporary is all you need as you all know that a woman’s dominant emotion at any time usually takes precedence. Because I could almost 100% guarantee that this wasn’t the first time the cockblock has done that. How do I know? Because I’ve had this very same talk with many women and women know when the friend is doing this and they are usually already tired of this behavior from their friend. So, why not use this to your advantage? You can either do this as she’s cockblocking or during the damage control mode if you used an agree and amplify resonse as you will certainly want the woman to be fully guilt free for better sex and less explaining to herself and her friend. You can usually do this very simply, “Why does she get so angry at you when you’re just enjoying yourself? Trying to guilt trip you? Wow… How old is she? My friends would never do that to me”!
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Because I’ve had this very same talk with many women and women know when the friend is doing this and they are usually already tired of this behavior from their friend.
Interesting…!
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WILL THE REAL ALPHA STAND UP
I have always felt that there are two types of Alphas. The kind who can naturally pick up girls quick and then the kind who are not so game on picking up chicks but NEVER get dumped once they are in a relationship. In other words they are the guys leaving girls torn up for years because of the lost relationship.
It seems the quick picker-upper is just a better clown who is able to put on an attractive show but the guy who is never dumped in LTR’s and changing lives when he dumps is the real Alpha especially when the girls can never get over him. I have seen plenty of QP-U’s fail miserably once in a real relationship.
Not only that but women seem to blow off one night stands like it was nothing.
[CH: when an alpha natural fails in a relationship, the reason is often that he cheated or he wasn’t as interested as his girlfriend in making the commitment sacrifices required to sustain an LTR. alpha naturals act this way because they know, from experience, that getting a new girlfriend won’t be difficult.]
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The kind who can naturally pick up girls quick and then the kind who are not so game on picking up chicks but NEVER get dumped once they are in a relationship.
I’m most definitely the second kind. I’m a sigma weirdo that girls are initially reluctant to get involved with, but I always end up having to do the dumping.
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alpha naturals act this way because they know, from experience, that getting a new girlfriend won’t be difficult
Mrs. Gamer has agreed to an open marriage. I’m going clubbing with an unrestricted status! I wanna open with a 3some to celebrate my new status.
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Odd. After coming home from a date today, I saw an email from a girl I met three years ago. I cold opened her in the street (thanks, manosphere!). We had sex now and then over the course of a year, then I didn’t hear from her again.
Then I heard from her a year later – that was two years ago. She then lived with her boyfriend. I saw her twice. Some kissing, but she obviously didn’t want to take it further.
And so today she sent me an email. “hey remember me?”
That was five hours ago. An hour ago I replied, “Sure! How are you doing?” I should have waited … but what the hell.
Now she wrote back. “Just fine (smiley) Saw you a few times, thought I should say hello.” Actually I have seen her downtown twice. She might have seen me more times, I know that I sometimes just walk past people. One of the times I know I saw her, in December, I was with another girl.
Wonder if she’s single now. This girl was amazing in bed, the only girl who was so intense that I felt I wanted to take it easier sometimes. Table, kitchen sink, floor, apartment building’s basement? Yep. But two years ago when we met again she didn’t want sex and she was the one who didn’t reply to my last message. It would take a lot for me to pursue something again. More fun, more relaxed and less baggage to date new girls – even if they’d be worse in bed.
Too bad though, she lives nearby, if she’s still there. The girl I went on a date with today lives one town away.
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Heh, she emails you out of the blue? Whether or not she’s single, she’s available.
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Yes, and the second email was after midnight. So probably not in bed with bf. Though the second email was from her cellphone while the first message was not. Could be that she can’t start up her computer that late … ah, hell.
I’d like to just not reply, but I know I’ll fall for the temptation. Write something polite, no effort to ask questions or make suggestions, see if she’ll eventually ask me to meet instead of trying to make me ask her.
But on the other hand I’m thinking of the sweet thirty-something I was on a date with earlier today. No complications there, no past between us. Just the fun of possibly starting something new.
I’d like to say there’s a limited pool of dating energy, like a The Manosphere Sims game, and I can only spend it on one girl for the time being. I’d like to have a good reason not to write back to the hot girl from the past. But damn, she’s hot.
All this flesh and its demands…. (Neuromancer)
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isn’t that the joy of true abundance though, your natural uncaring response will probably land her face down butt up on your apartment staircase for you
i really enjoy the ones i can take or leave, it’s like a free chance to say anything, and not care about the result. generally turns out great.
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You’re right of course, Burke. Thanks.
As for staircase … I simply forgot to add that to the list.
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I had a unique form of CB a few years back. I was driving a load of my stuff across country in a U-haul truck and stopped for the night in Wendover on the NV/Utah border. Got settled in to my motel on the Utah side (cheaper) and cleaned up before hitting a casino on the Nevada side.
I don’t gamble but there was a nightclub with live music and a dance floor. Not much of a crowd but I joined a pair of 30-something women at their table. Hit it off with one who was a jack Mormon, just out of a LTR. (Wendover is where Mormons from Salt Lake City come to play.)
Of course, my pick is eager to come back to my motel room but the CBer doesn’t want her to take the car so I offer to pick her up at her hotel and bring her to mine (in my U-haul truck no less.)
The CB talks to my target and convinces her that I must leave my CREDIT CARD with the CBer before my girl comes with me!
I of course refused, using the line that this option sounded rather COMMERCIAL. We settle on my leaving my drivers license with the CB.
We had a decent bang and I got her back about sun up in exchange from my license.
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Smart move on that driver’s license, Broadsman. Sounds like you unloaded more than just a U-haul on that cross country trip.
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I’ve always just fucked the fat friend first (also called the Path Of Least Resistance). This does two things: I get laid, and the pretty friend starts to feel self-doubt (thus making her an easier conquest later). I think I’ve done this four or five times in the past, and it’s been a hell of a lot of fun.
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Heartise, I like how you’re becoming more pro-reproduction.There’s no better way to shiv our foes than by having high ability rightwing spawn. The shiv twists even better if it’s in our 40s, with 22 year old E. European girls.
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I had a unique form of CB a few years back. I was driving a load of my stuff across country in a U-haul truck and stopped for the night in Wendover on the NV/Utah border. Got settled in to my motel on the Utah side (cheaper) and cleaned up before hitting a casino on the Nevada side.
I don’t gamble but there was a nightclub with live music and a dance floor. Not much of a crowd but I joined a pair of 30-something women at their table. Hit it off with one who was a jack Mormon, just out of a LTR. (Wendover is where Mormons from Salt Lake City come to play.)
Of course, my pick is eager to come back to my motel room but the CBer doesn’t want her to take the car so I offer to pick her up at her hotel and bring her to mine (in my U-haul truck no less.)
The CB talks to my target and convinces her that I must leave my CREDIT CARD with the CBer before my girl comes with me!
I of course refused, using the line that this option sounded rather COMMERCIAL. We settle on my leaving my drivers license with the CB.
We had a decent bang and I got her back about Sun up in exchange for getting my license returned.
Yes, her friend degraded the experience for my woman.
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Broadsman – WOW.
What was her ostensible reason? So that she could track you down if you turned out to be a serial killer?
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That was the “rational” excuse. In reality, she just was jealous of me taking her friend away and wanted to make it as difficult as possible for us. The classic cockblock motivations.
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The only one that will really work n real life is the “jerkyboy.” The others “sound” good in theory but dont pan out. Either that or you have more socially aware CBs in the North.
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I’m sorry, but have we already extirpated from our collective hippocampi the most obvious and salient answer to these nuclear CBs?
WHO BITCH THIS IS?
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Allow me to attempt to understand your comment.
1.) “extirpated from our collective hippocamp” — you mean, “rejected”? And what the fuck is a “collective hippocamp“? You sound like a pompous college professor — only you destroy that hypothesis with…
2.) “WHO BITCH THIS IS?” which sounds like someone whose primary (or even secondary) language is not English, or else is some wiggerish attempt to sound hip and/or gangsta.
I’m not even going to bother to understand the “nuclear CBs” anagram-gibberish.
Man of Mystery, indeed.
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WHO BITCH THIS IS?
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Kim, “who bitch this is” comes from a video posted recently, in a CH post from January 21.
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Ah fat chicks…why the good lord invented your token black friend.
“Jamal, put down the fried chicken and get over here. She is 100lbs more than every other chick in this bar.”
“So’s my sister.”
“This one’s blond.”
vrooooooom!
fattie rape!
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Oh God, you’re back.
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Had one unique CB. The blocker wanted to keep my credit card while I took my target back to my motel room.
We settled on my drivers license and I got a decent bang.
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My apologies for the repeated posting. I thought my original posting didn’t take and it’s such a good story.
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I had a bunch of nurses literally grab a sexy nurse chick out of a cab, she was about to sit down one foot in and her nurse work mates got her… Great occupation by the way if you want plenty of poon.
Physical cock block that really sucked, like right last fucking second.
She was going to NZ the next day so she wanted fun, but nurse friends well just damn well fucked it up for me.
Then my ex AJ(Army jerk) mate who winged for me, wanted me to teach him. Never thought such a skill could make you money though.
I had a fat chick friend when growing up, she would share all her stash with our group, even though she liked me secretly she’d still let me hit it up with her friends. True friendship, so some fat chicks can be cool.
What was funny though when she got her first boyfriend(now husband), she use to think she was teasing me with her sex talk, inside I’d literally die a little with the images, but hey I was poor and she was rich, plus we were friends, she’d always shower me with gifts and shit. Dude was real jealous of me and I’d never touched her ever, her next door neighbour though…🙂
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I had a fat chick friend when growing up, she would share all her stash with our group
That’s nice of her to share her bonbons!
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I haven’t used shampoo in nearly a year. Never going back.
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What do you do if the girl isn’t fat or motivated by jealousy? I will unapologetically cockblock if my friend is drunk and I’m pretty sure she’ll regret leaving with the guy. It usually works.
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They are always too drunk to go home with a guy. And they will always regret leaving with him if he doesn’t call within two days.
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I do preemptive strikes, as in, give her my no. on a piece of paper. Tell her to go to the restroom and text me and we will arrange a meetup away from her friends. Maybe outside or in some dark corner. I come with an extra coat and hat if she needs a disguise. The Secret Agent of Poon
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It’s Friday gentlemen! Get you some!
http://www.kindgirls.com/photo/mpl/masha_29884/5045/12/10/
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The closest I’ve come to this scenario was with the annoying single friend of hers who tags along on dates because she’s lonely. She pretends to keep to herself and not interfere, but makes her irritating presence known by not fucking off far enough when its time for you to tap your date’s ass.
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Not all cockblocks are unattractive; when I was first dating, a woman I had had a date with invited me up to her dorm room for some afternoon delight, and her friend (9) came along. I did not know what to do then; now I would tell the cockblock “I’ll meet you at dinner, 5:30, and then we’ll go for a walk” and squeeze her butt as she left. (Prime was after me for alpha fux, she already had her beta bux lined up, so if she objects i’d say “Call your BF and break up, and then I’ll cancel the date,”) I would point out to cockblock that once prime was pregnant, she’ marry beta bux; so just wait and enjoy.
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Well, right out of the gate after going with the open marriage arrangement that Mrs. Gamer has chosen, I exchanged swats with an 8 at my bar, was asked to sit and chat with a 7, kino’d a woman for the first time at another bar (only for a bit since I didn’t feel comfortable doing it–autism issues–maybe I’ll get more used to it over time), asked for and got a phone no. from a woman who was brought by another guy (he actually had two dates/carpool women). The woman who gave me her no. danced very close to me and we talked within the kiss zone. Her norks were touching my chest while we danced. That kind of interest got my attention. We were in a UMC social circle setting so escalation wasn’t an option.
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