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Comment Of The Week: Games Women Play

January 25, 2015 by CH

head games
it’s you and me baby
head games
and i can’t take it anymore

Reader Nope comments about women playing games:

Amy: “Let’s say I want to make a guy jealous…..”

1. Chicks don’t have to do this. You want him, let him know. Otherwise it’s a cruel game. He’s prolly harboring jealousy anyway but not visibly.
2. Making someone jealous on purpose is toying with them. Fuck that.
3. This is a perfect example of the fundamental differences between men and women. Men HAVE to resort to games, whereas women choose to play games because the regular way just isn’t stimulating enough, they’re bored, whatever.

You wanna make every man in the room wonder WTF? Make yourself up to your hottest, go find the ugliest, nastiest, heaviest dyke you can, and just make out with her in full view. Sweetly reject all male attention (not nuclear), then just before you bounce, abandon your dyke and grab the pointdexter in the corner, then leave together.

Easier just to not fuck with guys’ minds in the first place.

His breathless tone of indignation aside, “Nope” did make a very interesting point about gamesmanship and its relevance to both sexes as a sexual market exploit.

Men HAVE to game, women CHOOSE to game.

But before you bronze this formulation, a caveat. Men and women have different reproductive goals, and therefore different perspectives on the purpose of courtship. The value of female-specific game may seem nebulous to men, but with a long view in mind can be understood as more of a necessity to women.

Men game to give women what they want, because that’s the path to sex. Women game… to give themselves what they want, because women need to know if a man is worthy of their sex.

The point deserves belaboring. As women are the choosier sex, and as women are holistic judges of mate worth and place equal emphasis on non-visual attractiveness cues, men have to bring more to the table to get any traction with potential love interests. Therefore, game, one of a panoply of enticement strategies available to men, becomes more of a necessity than a luxury.

Women need to look pretty and fuckable to catch men’s attention. That’s it. (haters, spare us your spittle.) Women’s personality and smarts will start to matter for the long haul, but in the courtship arena they needn’t concern themselves much with “applying charisma” to attract men.

Women play games — their flavor of head games — to identify strong men. Women aren’t doing it to increase their attractiveness to men; they’re doing it because they have to deal with an information bottleneck about suitors. Men don’t have this bottleneck because most of the information they need is scanned and analyzed within a second of visual confirmation.

Women also play games because they’re bored by the parade of uninspiring betas who constitute the vast majority of men. Or they want to feed their egos with an endless buffet of external validation. These latter two reasons aren’t mutually exclusive with the primary “beta male filter” directive, but they are more frivolous and the willingness by women to indulge those urges imply an intuitive grasp of their inherently greater sexual value.

This is why the psychological strategems preferred by women, and peculiar to women’s specific needs, have come to be disparaged as the art of playing “head games”. Women play games not to appease or captivate men in the hope of mutual romantic fulfillment, but — like so many quirks of female behavior demonstrate — to gratify their egoism and to amuse themselves.

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  1. on January 25, 2015 at 11:49 pm Comment Of The Week: Games Women Play | Reaction Times

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 11:06 am mendozatorres

      Solid post. Great synopsis about game and its dynamic.

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  3. on January 26, 2015 at 12:06 am mack

    And most of this maneuvering is executed subconsciously. People don’t understand their own reproductive strategies, let alone the primal, hard-wired objectives of the opposite sex. I know I was surprised -and amazed- to discover the science and wonder and pain-in-the-ass of it all.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 7:31 am trav777

      yes. Women DO NOT do this shit consciously; it is who they ARE.

      They are literally in AWE of men who can manipulate their emotional states- THIS is what alpha is. I have an on again, off again FWB/gf…she was complaining about how low her sex drive has been lately. In the course of that she talked about when we first met 5 years ago. “It made me wet when I looked at you.” She didn’t intend that, it’s not controllable, but THIS is how women make “decisions.” Emotional reactions to stimuli. Like bowing a violin. They see you. They have a physical/emotional reaction to the sight of you. Or they don’t. At some point, you have to make their strings resonate or you are ignored, the chemicals in their brains don’t make their neurons sufficiently excited to form a memory of you.

      It’s how they buy cars, how they say yes or no to a question, how they pretty much do everything- based on how they feel. Women are annoying as hell but it’s not like you can chalk it up to conscious, deliberate thought. Yes, they’re evil, but it’s not the same culpable evil as a man would have acting the same way.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 4:43 pm Putin

        Good post trav777

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 4:45 pm Putin

        trav777- The question is will she be able to fix her sex drive and why is it so low?

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 10:57 am Greg Eliot

      I know I was surprised -and amazed- to discover the science and wonder and pain-in-the-ass of it all.

      COTW, right there. Most droll.

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  5. on January 26, 2015 at 1:21 am no

    Or she just wants to get gangbanged by your entire crew. Feel special now betas?

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  6. on January 26, 2015 at 2:12 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

    What bothers me isn’t what bothers to commenter you quoted. I don’t mind that women play these games for whatever reason that motivates them. What irks me is the idiocy of the double standard when it comes to head games. When I do it, I’m some philanderer immature guy who doesn’t want to commit, but if she does it, it’s just peachy.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 3:21 am walawala

      @Pijama I was going to comment something similar. But I’m now going to start becoming more conscious of these passive-aggressive comments women make and start reframing them with:

      “Don’t be so negative”

      “Don’t repeat gossip”

      “Ahhhh you’re just jealous”

      “You don’t have to work so hard for my attention, just ask…I might give it”

      One girl I’m gaming texted me something: “What if you get bored with me?” which I ignored which is how I normally handle texts I dont’ like or dont’ have an immediate response to. But I could respond with: “Then keep it interesting…”

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 6:24 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        I never had problems with these because I have little patience with bullshit. My instinctive response to “What if you get bored with me?” is “Keep asking such questions and you’ll find out.” and I usually have to tone the attitude down and add some game in.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 7:11 am Sentient

        “What if you get bored with me?”

        What, you mean like answering questions like this?

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 7:35 am trav777

        You don’t know how to handle “what if you get bored with me?”?!?!?!

        “Then I will get rid of you.” How fkin hard is this!?!!? It is BETA to start thinking of ways to answer the question to meet HER approval/acceptability critera.

        Women need to internalize that there are 3.5B other vaginas on the planet.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 5:20 pm JCclimber

        Even in her comment, you see her projecting her motivations onto you.
        She doesn’t worry about annoying the snot out of you with shit tests and stupid questions, which is the real danger she is actually facing. No, she’s worried about boring you which is her own criteria for whether or not she will dump you.

        Whereas the beta mindset is “I won’t talk to her because it might interrupt or annoy her”, which is projecting your hot button onto her.

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  7. on January 26, 2015 at 3:24 am walawala

    So many girls I’ve gamed have started crying or gotten very frustrated with me because I didn’t get jealous when they pulled this crap.

    When the girl started to parade her ass around and I just left, or ignored her or kept talking to whomever or…if it was so bad, broke up with her….she would say “I didn’t mean it ….I didn’t mean it” or words like that—suggesting it was done on purpose to elicit some type of reaction…usually in response to getting more attention or trying to keep me in line.

    Another great one I heard was: “You were stupid…you didn’t know what I wanted.” Which I ignored and laughed at with: “Yup I am stupid….” Agreeing and don’t amplify….also confuses the girl.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 8:17 am Arbiter

      One girl told me that she had been surprised when I didn’t stop her when she stormed out the door. Apparently her ex-boyfriend would stop her physically when she tried to leave after an argument. Then she would still have her pride intact, as she did try to leave, and she could stay anyway. But I just let her go, which she hadn’t expected. This was in our early twenties, I hope she became more experienced and left out that kind of drama later on.

      Come to think of it, I remember another girl telling a story about how she packed an overnight bag and tried to leave the apartment that she shared with her boyfriend at the time. He stopped her, reminding her that she had no place to go. I am certain she did try to leave, I could tell from how she told the story. But then she had stayed. I wonder if the “leaving and being stopped” is some special scenario for women.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 8:22 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        The problem is that these guys don’t know how to frame it. “You’re free to leave, but not to return”. lol

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 10:40 am Zed, Lord of the Brutals

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 10:56 am trav777

        of course. People like to be dramatic and they want you to stop them. If you actually let them leave, they will resent you for it, because you clearly don’t care about them very much.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:00 am walawala

        @Arbiter Interesting point. I said “Ok” to two girls who wanted to leave. They were shocked. Both came back. Both were really angry with me for letting them go.

        There’s a kind of idea of “fighting” for her to come back and not “caring” enough if they leave.

        It’s impossible to reframe. Of course you don’t want them to go. But begging them to stay would lower your value. Letting them leave means you could never see them again. You have to prepare yourself for this scenario.

        The 23 year old I was banging suddenly left somehow she had a meltdown of some kind and didn’t want to see me. I didn’t fight for her to stay but did say “let’s meet up.” She said “no”.

        I let her go. I haven’t contacted her since apart from wishing her an awkward “MErry Christmas” when I ran into her at a party and social conventions dictated I had to say something.

        She now looks at me with IOI’s inviting me to talk to her. I simply either ignore or raise me eyebrows in an amused acknowledgement and continue on with whatever I’m doing. It must confuse the hell out of her that she got what she wanted…I left…and now it doesn’t sit right with her.

        It takes a lot of willpower and fighting the false belief in being a “nice guy” to everyone will in the end get you the girl….it won’t. She wants validation for her bad behavior and she doesn’t want you to hate her…which is very different from her wanting you.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:10 am eofahapi

        “I wonder if the “leaving and being stopped” is some special scenario for women.”

        LOL. This reminds me of a funny story. When I think of it I still laugh out loud.

        3 or so years back I had new neighbors, a newly wedded couple, the wife and I become friends fast. She come to my house every afternoon for coffee. She started to say to me about her problems in her marriage. They were not big problems, just small complaints, I understood that she loved him very much, and they were both good people. But he worked all the time and it made her very upset with him, so she sh*ttested him constantly. One day they had such a big argument, I heared things being thrown and she come to my door and told me she has fixed her bag of clothes and she is leaving him. I advised not to leave, but she did.

        She did not actually leave, she just decided to take her suitcase with wheels and make continuous rounds around the field 10 metres in front of our gardens. Her husband sat on the veranda watching her, while she wheeled her suit case along. Every time she neared the veranda, she would shout up to him, “One more chance! I will give you one more chance!”

        But he laughed it off and said no, you will not have another chance until you apologise.

        The whole thing lasted for about 3 hours until she went home tired..and of course, apologised. They are fine together now, btw.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:16 am duderino

        I knew a couple like this, where the girl would “move out” to her parents for a couple days every few months. It seemed to me she wasn’t assessing his mate value. His (unintentional) dread game was so strong she legitimately wanted some assurance he even cared.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 2:36 pm Arbiter

        The 23 year old I was banging suddenly left somehow she had a meltdown of some kind and didn’t want to see me. I didn’t fight for her to stay but did say “let’s meet up.” She said “no”.

        I let her go. I haven’t contacted her since apart from wishing her an awkward “MErry Christmas” when I ran into her at a party and social conventions dictated I had to say something.

        That was the best thing to do. If you stop her you’ll only encourage her to do it again and again. I expect that the girl’s hope is that the stopping will be followed by a somber moment and compromise, having narrowly avoided the chasm.

        Another time a girl I had just started seeing stormed out because I, not really thinking about it while preparing something in the kitchen, criticized the YouTube videos she started playing on my computer. (Lady Gaga, for God’s sake.) I didn’t contact her. Then I heard from her again after she had seen me with another girl in the grocery store maybe four days later, a girl who she studied with and hated. Then we started seeing each other again for a while. It was a strange experience to have slept with two girls who were enemies within the same few weeks. Being seen together with her (very sexy) classmate was the right way to get her back, apparently. If I had asked her to come back it might have worked, but she’d have won, which would have grated on me and poisoned the dating.

        Eofahapi, that is a funny story. “I will give you one more chance!” The ways people embarrass themselves in public sometimes. I hope there weren’t many neighbors around to see it.

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  8. on January 26, 2015 at 4:07 am flb

    This article goes a bit too far in demonizing women.

    [CH: only if you don’t read carefully.]

    Women play games to filter out the best mate (as stated in the article), and men play games to attain the best mate (as also stated).

    [men play games to attract women for sex and love. women play games to determine whether their sex and love will be forthcoming. that’s the difference.]

    However, as far as egoism and amusement are concerned, there is little difference between men and women.

    [nope. the head gaming variety of egoistic thrills is something largely practiced by women. sure, some alpha men do it too — for a great cinematic example of this, see ‘in the company of men’ — but the twisted art is mostly the domain of women, for the reasons i spelled out in the post.]

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 6:30 am Canadian Friend

      “…Lots of people talk, but few of them know
      Soul of a woman was created below…”

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 8:00 am Olay Dave

      White-knight much??? Or did we all just get lucky today?

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      • on January 28, 2015 at 7:18 am flb

        Neither. It’s just that this blog and the comments are largely about celebrating conquests and the games used to add notches. Egoism and amusement.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 8:20 am Arbiter

      I don’t think it demonizes women at all, CH is explaining evolutionary psychology. A place like ROK would certainly use different behavior to run the “women are evil” script, because those writers have a hard time understanding where human behavior comes from. But here is an understanding of how behavior is shaped by necessity.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 9:19 am Eg

      Agree. The human mind is the ego-machine, just look at goddamn Facebook and Instagram, Twitter. Now, I suppose the argument could be made that men need their egos stroked for different reasons then women (m: to know they’re gaming correctly, w: to know he’s a strong suitor), but at the end of the day this just comes down to a molecule replicating itself competitively.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 2:40 pm Arbiter

        And as for status and ego, Facebook is the queendom of hot girls in their teens and early twenties, with everyone else on gradually lower levels from that peak. A hot young girl can simply post three dots and get “thumbs up” from ten men.

        Reminds me of the Thirstiest Men of Instagram collection. Read ’em and weep.

        http://thirstiestmenofinstagram.tumblr.com/

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 9:44 am FuriousFerret

      “This article goes a bit too far in demonizing women. ”

      Is this your first time reading here or something?

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      • on January 28, 2015 at 7:09 am flb

        Not at all. I’ve read most of the articles here for the past 3 years.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 10:50 am Greg Eliot

      However, as far as egoism and amusement are concerned, there is little difference between men and women.

      OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH!!!

      One of the differences is, when a man bullshits, everyone, including himself, KNOWS it’s bullshit… and enjoys it as such.

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    • on January 27, 2015 at 9:13 am Amy

      I have the flu and I’m too tired to read all the responses, but I was talking about using jealousy to push commitment, not attraction, and only if the guy is jerking me around.

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  9. on January 26, 2015 at 4:52 am Charlie Don't Surf

    The last sentence is the hook.

    “Easier just to not fuck with guys’ minds in the first place.”

    Have become so used to playing head games – always fear that I’ll over-game that one girl who’s being straight and sincere.

    Then again, it’s the perfect thing to say to if you want to plant that seed of doubt – and create advantage while playing head games.

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  10. on January 26, 2015 at 5:00 am PA

    “Women game… […], because women need to know if a man is worthy of their sex”

    A while back there was a post here based on a letter from a reader in which the reader described his beta dad tooling him in public as a kid because he (the dad) in turn got dissed by a waitress. The reader expressed his hate and contempt for his dad at the time. Women play games to avoid forming a family with a weak man.

    There is an acquaintance I periodically run into at industry functions. Nice guy but a wuss. He has a hot wife who eyeballs me hard and cant get enough of talking with me on every one of those occasions. My wife confirmed that to me. Without excusing his wife, we can say that women play games to avoid being with a man they don’t respect.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 5:52 am Anonymous

      Nope. http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/jose-lambiet/article8140614.html

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 6:32 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Don’t these guys realize the solipsism of their fiancees before they fuck up and marry them?

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 2:27 pm anon

        Ninja, good comment generally and re: most guys, but read article carefully. In this case, the dude (powerful sports agent) is pretty alpha. He had home only in his and his brother’s name, and he kicked her out immediately when the cops go there, by giving her a plastic bag in which to put her stuff.

        The key point is the complete idiocy of the 29 year old woman stomping her feet. “I’m 29. I like to go out. He won’t let me have my own life.”

        In any sane society, she should be whipped in the public square. No dear, you married him. You’re his wife, and no you should not have “your own life” going out with and banging alphas on the side. That’s a small price to pay for all of his hard work (he never got paid a dime for how he looks) and the 24 bedroom mansion he pays for that you get to live in, along with free food, free everything, while you’re his wife.

        You want “your own life” going out? You can live in a studio that you pay for yourself, which is what nearly all “strong independent” single women age 29 do.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:01 pm mendozatorres

        Damn! I remember reading Peter King’s MMQB column and he had an aside about the fact old Drew was getting married. He was shocked and had a great reply about it.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 7:40 am whorefinder

      at industry functions

      Don’t be shy, comrade; call them what they are, your CPUSA meetings! She must be quite the looker, your little Ethel Rosenberg, considerign how well you serve the party! Seig Heil, Mein Obama!

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 8:22 am Arbiter

        Are you still claiming that PA would be a leftist for not being a neocon lover? So Pat Buchanan and Jessie Ventura are leftists for opposing the neocon hijacking of the GOP? Joseph Sobran was a leftist for opposing the neocons who hijacked the National Review? William Buckley was a leftist for saying in his retirement that he deeply regretted allowing the neocons to take control of the magazine he had founded?

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:37 am whorefinder

        It’s cute how you believe everything PA says. Must be relaxing not having a mind of your own.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 8:40 am PA

        I am amused but also puzzled by the Neocon’s insistence that I’m (anachronism-alert) a commie. I literally chuckled at his comment above. But also shook my head that he’s denying his uncle Julius.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:36 am whorefinder

        I do so find it humorous and instructive that PA, our resident crypto-commie, keeps trying that old jewish commie trick of repeating a lie over and over until it “becomes true”—the lie that I’m some sort of neocon-. When his tactics are straight outta the CPUSA handbook, is it any wonder I’ve discerned that he’s a disingenuous little fraud?

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 9:27 am Arbiter

        I assume the reasoning is: “only hippie leftists oppose war”.

        Of course, leftists have always supported war, as long as the wars are for their purposes.

        The neocon stooge Bush pushed for mass amnesty of illegal aliens. His brother is married to a Latin goblin has a criminal drug-using Mestizo daughter. Bush urged the EU to allow Turkey as an EU member. (As payment for NATO member Turkey making nice with Israel and not opposing the Palestinian genocide.) He wanted to drown Europe in tens of millions of Turkish immigrants. The neocons want mass immigration. Their loyals like Boehner make some pretense and complaining about Obama’s immigration plans to win congress seats, and then turn around and betray the voters. They want to drown the West in leftists voters.

        The neocon movement, after all, started out as a group of Marxists who came to oppose the USSR because Stalin had thrown out their racial kin Trotsky, and because they were fanatically loyal to Israel while the USSR often saw it convenient to give support to Arab opposition movements since Washington was backing Israel. When their Israeli fanaticism became too strong for some on the Left, they came over to the GOP. In the GOP there were corrupt men who welcomed the neocons because they were Jews with good relations to their tribesmen in the media boardrooms. And because having non-Whites in high positions in the party was a way to show “look, we are not racists!”. And so the neocons set about taking key positions positions. Always unelected, of course. With Bush I and Bush II they gained full control of the White House and could attack all the real conservatives in the party.

        By contrast, paleocon Pat Buchanan has always been opposed to mass immigration. If the paleocons still ran the GOP there would be no RINOs caving in like they do today. They would speak openly about race and would win a majority of votes. As Steve Sailer has shown, merely increasing the White vote a few percent would have won both of the last two presidential elections.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 10:48 am Greg Eliot

        Saying “Sieg Heil!” to Obama is like awarding him a Nobel prize.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:32 am whorefinder

        Winning.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:40 am PA

        No, jeb bush is not winning, as hard as you’re fluffing his campaign staff.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:44 am PA

        For LOLZ if you missed it earlier. Word search for Bushes.

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/more-shocking-news-men-and-women-have-vastly-different-personalities/

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:18 pm whorefinder

        For even bigger lolz, search for PA defending Piggy supporting left-wing causes…as well as PA’s hilarious “9/11 was casued by Bush/Hitler!” rants that devolve into my asking “So what’s your hypothesis?” and PA just posts links to Loose Change on YouTube and can never state a coherent theory on his own.

        Remember that the KGB and CPUSA worked hard, not to start conspiracy theories, but merely to promote them, sowing distrust in Americans at their leaders and then pointing out how “ope” and “free” communist nations are.

        PA’s just following his massa’s leads–never offering ahypothesis himself, merely trying to sow disinformation via active measures. Far easier for a stooge like him.

        Note also how often he’ll praise totalitarian states subtley in the aftermath.

        Gosh, its almost like we’ve seen his ilk before.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 2:49 pm Arbiter

        I do so find it humorous and instructive that PA, our resident crypto-commie, keeps trying that old jewish commie trick of repeating a lie over and over until it “becomes true”

        Isn’t that exactly what you are doing by calling him a communist?

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:21 pm whorefinder

        I offer facts, like his support for traitors and liars (Piggy), his techniques of repetition (straight outta 1950s and 60s CPUSA play books), his promoting conspiracy theories without ever stating his own beliefs (again, classic commie-jewish maneuver) , and, finally, his support for strong men.\

        “Active measures,” comrade. Google that. Or just google the Glorious Godfrey.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:28 pm PA

        Is there a need for me to rebut anything wolfowitzfinder just posted about me above? Let me know and I will later today.

        I’ve addressed some of this stuff earlier, some of it is inanity…

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:32 pm whorefinder

        lol, like a good jewish-commie, PA knows how to pretend criticism of his methods and his arguments don’t matter…

        But watch this

        Now PA: explain, using your own big boy words and without links to videos, your theory on 9/11.

        Watch how he will not say anything on point, link to mindless crap videos, and sum up with “YOU NEED TO DO THE RESEARCH!”

        And you think active measures is dead.

        typical commie-liar. lol.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:35 pm PA

        Hey wild & furious, I have a question for you at the bottom of this thread.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:44 pm whorefinder

        Note how our resident jewish-commie STILL hasn’t answered the question and is trying to change the subject…

        say it with me…

        “active measures.”

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:52 pm PA

        No, wolfowitzfinder. YOU are the GWB-loving neocon whose schtick here is in the Jewish shock jock tradition. You are our lil “RAPE” mini Howard Stern. You used to be for mass immigration. LOL boy. Say hi to your uncle Sheldon A for me, will ya?

        Go job bush!

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 6:45 pm whorefinder

        Ah, note the jewish-commie projection: in an effort to hide his Bolshevism, he projects hebrewism upon others. Note his appeal to some proven untrue claims: that I’m Jewish (I’m not; that’s the projection from our little jew-commie), I’m in favor of mass immigration (I’m not, I was pre-red pill, Steve Sailer set me straight). I do respect Bush as a person, and how lefties like PA have denigrated him beyond all recognition or logic, but Bush’s policies were on the whole bad for the country.

        And don’t forget….PA STILL is too chicken shit to lay out his masterful 9/11 claims…despite asserting them repeatedly. Almost like it’s part of his programming from being an agent.

        Piggy Squealer rape!

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:58 pm PA

        Folks, seriously. It’s one of two things:

        – I’m a commie
        -WF is mentally ill.

        You be the judge.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 6:46 pm whorefinder

        Oh PA….where is your wondrous 9/11 theory that will explain everything?

        Remember, jew-commie, you can’t use YouTube videos. post a coherent, falisfiable theory about 9/11 to be taken seriously as a true believer…until then you’re just Piggy’s little squealer.

        McCarthy rape!

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 8:32 pm PA

        You’re having a meltdown. Get some rest and talk to your doctor tomorrow.

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 12:13 pm PA

        Looks like Whorefinder did the right thing and took his meds. Guys, when he’s back be cool, laugh at his jokes, and you know, just make him feel at home.

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 2:57 pm whorefinder

        lol. Note that PA STILL won’t give his 9/11 theory, desperate to hide the fact that he only promotes 9/11 hysteria in service of the jewish-commie agenda.

        And note, too, how he has resorted to the jewish-commie technique of pretending that people pointing out the man behind the curtain are “crazy.” You know, how dissidents in the Soviet Union were put in sanitariums with mental diseases.

        PA’s playbook is sadly very shopworn.

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 3:42 pm PA

        Of course, lil buddy. Of course

        (Aside: I am starting to suspect that my musing on WF’s state of mental health may have merit and as much as I savor smashing lucid haters in flamewars, engaging in flamewars with somebody who does not appear to be of sound mental health is something I’d rather avoid.)

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 4:22 pm whorefinder

        lol. Note the jew-commie response: still will not post his 9/11 falsifiable nuttiness, still projecting hsi jewishness onto others, still trying the mental health-route.

        Such denial; can’t you embrace yourself, comrade?

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 4:49 pm PA

        For the sake of record, should anyone be reading: I am not Jewish. I am 100% Pole, including some polonized pre-war German ancestry on my maternal side; Roman Catholic going back one thousand years. Wolfowitzfinder is trying to throw back at me an earlier observation of mine that his act is in the tradition of Howard Stern and such.

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      • on January 28, 2015 at 5:49 pm whorefinder

        now, PA, you have continuously claimed that I am jewish despite my repeated assertions I am not, all based on the idea that my glib mockery of your beloved commie ideals is somehow related to some jews you heard of. That’s called projection, my little un-goy. What branch of your family are you hiding? And how was your Birthright trip? lol

        And note: PA STILL is hiding his 9/11 theory—because he is just doing “active measures” on the 9/11 question.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 7:48 am PA

      I already told you boy, they’re your relations, not mine!

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 10:40 am deleted

        Lol.

        OK, that was funny.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 5:38 pm JCclimber

      that could become pretty uncomfortable. Then I realized that he couldn’t physically see how intensely his hot wife was staring into my eyes, nor was it very obvious to the clueless what her body language was saying.

      On the other hand, my wife always noticed, I’m glad I finally learned how to pass *her* forthcoming shit tests. It’s nice when your LTR gets direct evidence that she is replaceable, for some low effort dread game.

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  11. on January 26, 2015 at 5:02 am themanofmystery2

    Much like a shit test can be seen as an “opportunity” as one commenter recently divulged, game-playing can, when an ostensibly high value man catches on to it, be parlayed into a flip-the-script scenario whereby the man soaks the girl’s panties *just for being on to her bullshit*. Seen it happen.

    Take note: view game playing as an opportunity to use “I’m on to you” game.

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  12. on January 26, 2015 at 5:30 am ho

    I’ve read the blog about body language that one of you guys linked to here. http://www.bodylanguagesuccess.com/

    Good God, what a despicable mangina.

    >apologizes for being sexist but he thinks that kikefaced Sheryl Sandburg is attractive

    >thinks that the guy who referred to Meryl Streep as ugly in Italian, unaware that she speaks Italian, was a misogynist (because thinking someone is ugly = hating them and hating one person = hating everyone who shares a trait with her)

    >thinks Janay Rice shouldn’t have been arrested even though she CLEARLY assaulted Ray. (laws don’t apply to wommin)

    I hope he dies of sepsis.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 5:49 am ho

      “Although the beautiful Ms. Menounos does quite well on autopilot, this flirtatious look would be even more evocative if her head would have been more down-turned, giving the appearance of looking up more. Some additional body language cues – such as if Maria would have been biting her lower lip slightly or perhaps coyly licking her lip – would have every man in sight believing she was “the one”.”

      Heard that? When a girl looks at you and licks her lips, you think “the One”.

      What a despicable piss stain.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 10:45 am Greg Eliot

      My spidey sense tingles and tells me “Brown” was not his birthname.

      I could be wrong… then again…

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:22 am ho

        True. My beta senses are also tingling. As are my sperglord senses.

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  13. on January 26, 2015 at 5:39 am Anonymous

    Lol. “I’m 29. I like to go out. He won’t let me have my own life.”
    (stomps her little feet)

    At 29 these near wall women consider themselves 19. That is literally how they view themselves in their brain after the feminist onslaught they have endured their entire lives from mass media.
    And……
    She admits she called the cops when he had not threatened her or even come close to it. This is another thing women do all the time. It is dangerous to be in an LTR or marriage with a woman today. They will fuck up your life.
    See tiger woods
    Women today are trash as far as being worth marrying.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/jose-lambiet/article8140614.html

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  14. on January 26, 2015 at 6:22 am Dersu Uzala

    http://www.ericberne.com/games-people-play/rapo/
    “Thesis. This is a game played between a man and a woman which might more politely be called, in the milder forms at least, ‘Kiss Off’ or ‘Indignation’. It may be played with varying degrees of intensity.”

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 10:42 am Greg Eliot

      Thesis… yet another YKW “doctor” who takes the twisted mentality of his own tribal yentas and projects/suggests it to all other women, in order to poison man/woman relations of the other tribes.

      Meh… next.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 2:55 pm Arbiter

        Agreed. And look at how he as if by accident names the woman White and the man she tricks Black:

        “In Second-Degree ‘Rapo’, or ‘Indignation’, White gets only secondary satisfaction from Black’s advances.”

        “They force the game on an unwilling White because they want to play ‘Let’s You and Him Fight‘. They put her in such a position that in order to save her face or her reputation she has to cry rape.”

        “These two games are combined in the well-known ‘Badger Game’, in which the woman seduces Black and then cries rape, at which point her husband takes charge and abuses Black for purposes of blackmail.”

        “Just a coincidence!” Sure. Would he call a hypothetical criminal Black? If someone did that, this Tribe writer would join the media chorus of his kind in crying “racism”.

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  15. on January 26, 2015 at 6:44 am Laguna Beach Fogey

    I went out with a girlfriend on Saturday night. Seated next to us at the bar were two attractive women, probably late 30s. Clearly alphas. One of them–the one seated facing me–kept checking me out and saying something to her friend, who turned around a few times to look at me. After a while the two women left. According to my friend, the whole time the two had been talking about the new boyfriend one of them had and the sexual positions he made her adopt, including a few references to her ‘back door’. I hadn’t heard anything. It initially surprised me, until I reminded myself that women are like this, only usually they’re more discreet about it.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 8:25 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      “two attractive women, probably late 30s”
      Whenever you guys say something like this, it doesn’t compute for me. Will it get better as I’ll age or will I perpetually find women over 35 as unattractive?

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 8:33 am The Judge

        Well, do you still see high school girls youd prefer to fuck? Be honest now..

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 8:39 am Laguna Beach Fogey

        This is Orange County (Newport Beach to be exact), and a lot of the women here tend to stay fit and fuckable even into their 40s and 50s.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 9:01 am Sentient

        seriously? AA is 33 in this pic. Do we need to go further?

        Women can be attractive at a wide wide variety of ages.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 9:15 am Arbiter

        Especially petite girls can still be attractive in their thirties.

        After 27 the way you live really starts to show. For women more than men. I have seen a girl who was 28 who looked worse than many who were in their thirties. If a woman in her twenties peruses a lot of alcohol, pasta and pizza and fast food, heavy makeup (or so I hear), tanning salons, beaches, and above all cigarettes, then after 27 it will show.

        But a woman who takes care of herself can still be attractive when she is 38. I know a woman who is that age and who looks great. Petite and slim and a healthy eater. (Petite helps because eating less makes you age slower. This is probably why women live longer than men.)

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 10:35 am Greg Eliot

        (Petite helps because eating less makes you age slower. This is probably why women live longer than men.)

        Naw… women live longer than men because they don’t have wives.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 10:54 am BlackPoisonSoul

        I’ve seen early-30 girls I would not fuck and mid-50 girls I would definitely fuck. It’s a combo of how much shit she’s inhaled in her youth plus how well she looks after herself.

        A bit of genetics is involved too: some just seem to age more gracefully. Plus an attitude of femininity.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:16 am Sentient

        I will cosign that environment is a factor. A 35 YO in a rural community is not the same as a 35YO (often trophy wife) in a UMC community, who eats everything organic in moderation, does yoga, plays tennis twice a day and struts around the club pool in her bikini. It is indisputable how much better looking the women are in rich areas of the world or among the global 5%ers.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 8:59 am Arbiter

      According to my friend, the whole time the two had been talking about the new boyfriend one of them had and the sexual positions he made her adopt, including a few references to her ‘back door’. I hadn’t heard anything. It initially surprised me, until I reminded myself that women are like this, only usually they’re more discreet about it.

      I honestly have to ask: do people really talk to friends about what women they sleep with? There was a girl who assumed men do, and I told her me and my friends would consider it gauche to brag about women we slept with and how the sex was, especially since it can’t be confirmed by the others anyway. We’d just mention who we are going out with and that’s that. I know, it’s something you see on TV shows, but they add a lot of things to TV shows that you don’t do much of in real life, like a family having a big conflict and resolving everything by the end of the day.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 10:01 am eofahapi

        “If a woman in her twenties peruses a lot of alcohol, pasta and pizza and fast food, heavy makeup (or so I hear), tanning salons,”

        Alcohol, bad diet, tanning salons, yes for sure. I am not sure about make up. I have a theory that women who wear make up outside have better skin. Almost all foundation has a SPF at least 15. A friend of mine is always saying that I should not wear make up because it will ages the skin. I dont believe it. Women who never wear foundation often have more fine lines. Probably because they are going in the sun with no SPF on their face. Foundation is a way to protect from ageing effects of the weather. As long as you cleanse, exfoliate well, it will not block the pores.

        I think diet and sun is one of the most big factors in ageing skin. And genes of course.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 10:04 am eofahapi

        And not moisturizing. Women have thinner skin and a lower collagen density than men, its much more important to moisturize every day. I recommend almond oil.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:02 am Greg Eliot

        This… gauche indeed, and extremely off-putting.

        A maxim from my grandfather… about many areas of endeavor… that I never knew to fail was: “The man who talks about it the most does it the least.”

        The only time in my life I heard a lot of that sort of talk was by negroes while I was in the Army…

        … go figger.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:08 am PA

        Cosign. My friends and I bragged aboutthis and that in high school when messing around with a girl was a new thing. But that was talk about making out with a girl at a party. Girlfriends were not talked about.

        Also cosign on the Army thing. The Red Army, of course, in which I was a senior political officer (that’s addressed to WF)

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 12:24 pm Sean Fielding

        Game is life – it’s how a man is with his friends too, not only how he is with women. And friends are more likely to help build your value if you don’t brag and tell excessively. One, because it shows more confidence. Two, because it retains more mystery.

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  16. on January 26, 2015 at 7:01 am theasdgamer

    Was at a social circle dance party. Was gonna practice a dance step with a woman in the basement where we could have isolation. She made a grand production out of going down the stairs to be alone with me. Didn’t say anything, but just moved very slowly and looked around the dance floor as if she wanted to be seen.

    It was all about her validation.

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  17. on January 26, 2015 at 7:43 am whorefinder

    Women do not act for men. Women act for other women and their biological needs.

    You’ll note how a group of girls will all get married/pregnant/divorced at the same time. Why? Peer pressure to conform.

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  18. on January 26, 2015 at 8:38 am Arbiter

    This is an excellent post by CH. People need to understand how human behavior is shaped by necessity, or they will too easily become bitter about it. Ice doesn’t make you fall because it is evil, it makes you fall because of physics. It just is. The world was not made to cater to you. That knowledge should be with you at all times, instead of being bitter when things don’t align with your wishes.

    “Men game to give women what they want” – Very true. Game deniers need to understand: game is an adaptation to women’s demands. If a guy goes on a date he already wants her and it’s all about wanting her to want him. He’d prefer to go straight home and initiate the new relationship with some sex. But he can’t say that, because he would seem needy and therefore low quality. So he has to pretend he wants the date, he needs the date to decide. This is game right there, adapted to the demands subconsciously placed by women.

    “I don’t need to play games,” you hear sometimes. That attitude in itself is a kind of game, called anti-game. It means, “Look at me girls, I am so successful that I don’t need to do the things other guys have to do.”

    If a man seriously thinks he doesn’t need game, then he either has enough money, status or good looks to get what he desires – and you can be sure he still uses game to some degree.

    Or, he is a guy who isn’t getting any, and he has to wait and hope to be picked, instead of doing the picking. This means years of incel in a guy’s twenties between girlfriends. Yes, you survive. And eventually you can hope to run into some girl who is decent-looking enough and nice enough that you won’t sigh every time you get up in the morning. But you didn’t get what you desire. You left something out. When you watch the passionate romance in the movies and TV shows (and I bet you’ll be doing a lot of TV watching), and you see the man who gets the hot woman and the mind-blowing sex, you’ll always know that’s not you and that you missed your chance. You want to live like that? Fine, do it. But I bet that if you could get it, you would want more.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 8:49 am eyep

      Awesome

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 4:07 pm John

        Arby, you can fling shit at me all you want, but the rage in your words is way out of proportion to my own. All I did was challenge your assertion, I didn’t shoot your fucking dog. Have a drink on me buddy.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 9:31 pm trav777

        Arbiter misses the point again.

        Dude, I WANT YOU to get laid, ffs…but I want you to do it by becoming a DESIRABLE man, not a freakin IMITATION of one. Got it?

        [CH: trav, you gotta give this line of argument a rest already. game IS becoming a desirable man. it’s better to have more charisma than less charisma.]

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 9:37 am John

      “Men game to give women what they want” – Very true. Game deniers need to understand: game is an adaptation to women’s demands. If a guy goes on a date he already wants her and it’s all about wanting her to want him. He’d prefer to go straight home and initiate the new relationship with some sex. But he can’t say that, because he would seem needy and therefore low quality. So he has to pretend he wants the date, he needs the date to decide. This is game right there, adapted to the demands subconsciously placed by women.”

      So you’re admitting that Game is submission to women’s fickle whims?

      I don’t know about you but I haven’t had to date some shrew in the last 10 years. When the opportunity presents itself I just make small talk and solicit her for sex directly. Any “games” on her part are met with a blank stare and utter disinterest.

      Because after all, if women are just ego monsters always striving for the next best thing, why do anything more? This is what rubs me the wrong way about some of you so-called Game artists; you’re a slave to your egos and you seek validation through women’s approval. I see ridiculous posters like walawala recounting in tedious detail his boring dating life and it all seems very desperate and pathetic. Some will argue that to keep “practicing” will allow you to grow, but grow into what? There’s no apotheosis, you’re just another human puppet caught in an endless loop of ego games and momentary sexual gratification. No there there, as they would say.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 10:21 am Arbiter

        “So you’re admitting that Game is submission to women’s fickle whims?”

        I knew there would be some troll who would distort it this way. Should I run the words by a lawyer first to make sure the exact meaning can’t be twisted? Men game to adapt to women’s instincts, how’s that? Do you understand? You do, you just pretend not to.

        don’t know about you but I haven’t had to date some shrew in the last 10 years. When the opportunity presents itself I just make small talk and solicit her for sex directly

        Sure, lady. You so good you natural, you don’t need no game, right? Everybody uses game to some degree.

        Because after all, if women are just ego monsters always striving for the next best thing, why do anything more? This is what rubs me the wrong way about some of you so-called Game artists; you’re a slave to your egos and you seek validation through women’s approval.

        Nice try. “slave to your egos” – how does that even factor in here? You need to remember where to put your various canned lines.

        “validation through women’s approval” – bullshit line. (And one that contradicts the “slave to your egos” claim.) When did anyone talk about “approval”? You can’t say, you just made it up. If it would be about getting “approval” as you lie, then why would men break up with women? That certainly doesn’t gain their “approval”. And why would men choose the BEST woman they can get? If it was about gaining “approval” a guy could just take any fatty and get her approval, as I’m sure you do. What we are talking about is the opposite of that.

        but grow into what?

        The usual troll fallacy, that men who post here would be all about game. No, but this IS a blog that focuses on that. So that’s what we talk about here.

        There’s no apotheosis, you’re just another human puppet caught in an endless loop of ego games and momentary sexual gratification. No there there, as they would say.

        Your canned lines are dull and dumb. “apotheosis”, you think that makes you sound intelligent? “human puppet” – learning how people work and using it to your advantage is the opposite of being a puppet, dumbass. “momentary sexual gratification” – another lying fallacy by feminist trolls. NOWHERE does the manosphere say that you have to break up with a woman and find another, unless you want to. Nowhere does the manosphere say that you can’t be in relationships. It is about getting the BEST woman and the best relationship you can get, if that’s what you want. It’s about giving a man choices.

        By the way, that “momentary sexual gratification” line contradicts your talk about getting “women’s approval”. But I don’t expect you to have enough intelligence to see how your recycled lines contradict each other. You just copy and paste from your feminist hangouts.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 10:33 am Greg Eliot

        I see ridiculous posters like walawala recounting in tedious detail his boring dating life and it all seems very desperate and pathetic. Some will argue that to keep “practicing” will allow you to grow, but grow into what? There’s no apotheosis, you’re just another human puppet caught in an endless loop of ego games and momentary sexual gratification. No there there, as they would say.

        Well, I’ll give John the benefit of the doubt and believe he’s not trolling… nor necessarily a mangina…

        … because I myself have this same reaction to some of the posts and videos that get posted here by the self-styled players and their wannabes.

        Much of it seems just downright, well… unmanly.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:05 am John

        Arbiter, old boy, no need to sharpen your nails just yet. We’re just two gentlemen having a friendly Internet discussion, are we not?

        I never claimed to be a “natural”. I’ve had interactions with women; some have led to sex, some rejection, and worse yet some even led to relationships.

        I ask in good faith, what is the end game? If it is only to snare the “best possible woman”, is it not true that the game doesn’t stop afterwards? You still have to “game” her into staying with you, right? What is it all for?

        I find it amusing that you call me a feminist, but I’ll let that go. And I’m sorry you think the word “apotheosis” is so hard to penetrate.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:10 am trav777

        agree. People should strive to be alpha instead of imitating alpha to get pussy. BEING actual alpha makes you a better man. All those guys in those old pics with the satisfied wives weren’t playing games, they were real alphas who chopped down trees and killed injuns.

        White society is dying because losers pretend to be alphas instead of doing the hard work to actually BE impressive. Game isn’t the savior of society; it is an anathema. Imagine all these pretend alphas with their beta genes and spergy tendencies having kids instead of real alphas who kick ass and dominate. Game is dysgenic.

        In not so many words, if the people trying to get pussy spent more time not BEING a pussy, they’d probably help not only themselves, but the larger society out of the morass it’s in.

        This site helps losers get laid, cool…but take a step back, all you walawalas and the yareallys…you’re losers. You couldn’t get laid on your own merits, so you focused on playing some games to imitate people who could. You’re STILL not the dude the chicks want; you just fool them into believing you are by using psych games.

        Clever, but hollow. Next time learn to fly a plane or get a BJJ blue belt (if you could). Some kind of actual achievement worth merit on its own.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:11 am Sentient

        @John

        what is the end game? A dynamic passionate and authentic life. A life without regret or remorse. A life on your own terms whatever they may be.

        Your way may not be my way, nor will it matter. How you livin’, bro?

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:13 am Lichthof

        I agree with this. Men should not exist for their validation from women. Validation from their (male) peers should arguably be more of a goal.
        They should be the best they can, honest to themselves – never accept mediocrity. Get away from MSM, tv – work out, educate yourselves, be the best you can be – and women will flock (the leeches that most of them are).
        Physical and mental strength should always define a man. Being stronger than others gives you access to resources that you can take. Empires were built on such. It’s natural law.

        The Germans focused strongly on this in the 1930s – look at those Time pictures of the rallies – guys stripped down to their skin showing off their muscular strength.
        Mental and physical strength was de rigueur for men.
        Roll on 2014 and German won the world cup due to mental strength despite not playing well in a lot of games.

        The Zionists have mental strength and a cunning – but not physical strength and would lose out in a game of natural law which is why the world has become unnatural shaped in their view to achieve their ends.

        For me I run out of patience when it comes to games. I can understand why games were used by women in former times but in the West today where there is an abundance of resources and welfare – there is really no need.
        Raising a family requires trust between parents – I wonder how some guys can ever trust their women who play games.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:31 am ho

        “and worse yet some even led to relationships.”

        *meow*

        The end goal is not being constrained by incompetence or a lack of attractiveness whatever your goals with women are.

        This is what you guys don’t understand: this shit here is arguably even more significant within a relationship than it is with flings.

        Realize that not every man comes from the same point of departure that you do.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 12:12 pm John

        “How you livin’, bro?”

        Not well, why else would I be here?

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 12:29 pm Sean Fielding

        Undying fame is the Aryan goal, whether we attain it or not, whether it dies or not.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 1:08 pm YaReally

        @John
        Haven’t read anything else in this thread because this was retarded enough for me to stop at.

        “So you’re admitting that Game is submission to women’s fickle whims?

        I don’t know about you but I haven’t had to date some shrew in the last 10 years. When the opportunity presents itself I just make small talk and solicit her for sex directly. Any “games” on her part are met with a blank stare and utter disinterest.”

        The part you don’t get is that you ARE running game. Guaranteed I could take any of your “make small talk and solicit her for sex directly” successes and failures and break it down in consistent explainable game terms.

        You (and all Naturals and all beta chodes who lucked out that one drunken night etc.) ARE “submitting to women’s fickle whims”, you just aren’t aware of it because you don’t understand the depths of what you’re doing. All we’re doing is doing what you do more efficiently and with more consistent success and with higher quality women and social circles, because we can explain what we’re doing and fine-tune it.

        What you’re doing is basically saying “Anyone who uses electricity is stupid! I never use electricity! When I want a light to go on I just press the light switch and it goes on.”

        I’m fairly certain you won’t be able to understand that because as someone who doesn’t understand how electricity and light switches work (metaphorically speaking), you aren’t in a position where what I’m saying can make sense. Plus you’ve built a very proud identity AROUND your ignorance of how electricity and light switches work, so it’s like you’ve reinforced your lack of knowledge and see yourself as superior for it.

        That’s not a judgement on you as a person, I’m not saying you’re an idiot, but I’m saying that you don’t really understand the thing that you’re against and that your mindset has created a situation where you’re not very interested in (and in fact actively against) learning about how electricity works and why your view is illogical.

        I’m not going to try to convince you of anything because I don’t care lol I’m writing this just for everyone else.

        “I ask in good faith, what is the end game? If it is only to snare the “best possible woman”, is it not true that the game doesn’t stop afterwards? You still have to “game” her into staying with you, right? What is it all for?”

        The end game is whatever you want it to be. The game is ALWAYS there, no matter what. The notion that a woman will stay with you just through her own magical self-motivation is silly. Give me a week as a fly on the wall observing any guy who thinks he’s “not trying to keep her” who’s successfully keeping his girl around and I’ll have a 10 page list of game concepts he doesn’t realize he’s applying.

        Like, without game you can’t HAVE attraction. That’s just how it works. The same way that without electricity you can’t light that bulb. You can deliver that electricity in a lot of different ways, and you can make parts of that delivery system convenient or elaborate, and you can throw a little button on the end so people don’t see the wires or think about electricity traveling to the bulb through those wires and it FEELS like light switches just magically turn bulbs on…

        …but underneath the surface, that bulb is turning on because of the electricity. You can NOT escape that.

        The 4 stages go:

        1) unconscious incompetence
        2) conscious incompetence
        3) conscious competence
        4) unconscious competence

        Most of the guys posting are in stages 2 or 3, that’s why they’re verbally dumping shit. Most Naturals are in stage 4. Most beta chodes are in stage 1. Often you’re straddling a couple stages, like you’re in stage 4 with eye-contact because you just do it all the time after practicing to do it lots but you haven’t done much text game and know you suck ass at it so you’re in stage 2 on your text game and working to get it up to stage 4.

        But regardless of what stage you’re in, you’re still providing electricity to that light bulb to make it light up. Like I say, guaranteed if I was a fly on the wall observing your pulls I would be able to point out a shitload of game concepts you’re running and don’t realize you’re running, to get that outcome.

        All PUA has done is gone from a broken light (stage 1), to realizing the light switch is broken (stage 2), to taking the drywall down and taking off the light switch covers to expose the wires and understand that system fully and try to make it as efficient as possible (stage 3) before they eventually put the walls back up and it just becomes a simple “light makes a bulb goes on” system again, except more efficient and with a full understanding of what’s going on (stage 4).

        Yes, when that bulb is on it will still need electricity to stay on, but that’s just how it works. There’s no scenario where that bulb is on without electricity. For the duration that you are having your chat and sex proposal meetups, you are unconsciously providing electricity to that bulb, otherwise you wouldn’t be getting it to turn on.

        @Greg
        “… because I myself have this same reaction to some of the posts and videos that get posted here by the self-styled players and their wannabes.

        Much of it seems just downright, well… unmanly.”

        What do you call people who AREN’T out getting laid and socializing and are instead sitting in a comment section just READING these unmanly stories?

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 1:09 pm Sentient

        @john said ““How you livin’, bro?”

        Not well, why else would I be here?”

        See I am living great, but it wasn’t always this way. Game can change things for you, it’s about much more than pussy. Game at its core is about psychological dominance, of getting what you want from people and circumstances because you understand all the dynamics at play.

        And game does not lose its power just because you’ve learnt how to play. It’s more than parlour tricks.

        So don’t knock guys out there working on themselves via game just for the sake of knocking them. There is much to learn and much benefit to be had.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 1:17 pm Greg Eliot

        Much of it seems just downright, well… unmanly.”

        What do you call people who AREN’T out getting laid and socializing and are instead sitting in a comment section just READING these unmanly stories?

        NotReally up to his old half-witted binary thinking again… because anyone who hits one of his nerves is ONLY sitting around reading this forum…

        … all the more ironic from someone likewise “sitting in a comment section”… with the time to write inane tomes for fellow self-styled poon bandits, at that. (((shakin’ mah head)))

        Boy, haven’t you had your dick knocked in the dirt enough in the past when you attempted your snark?

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 1:30 pm John

        @ YaReally

        You have the wrong idea about me. I was into all of this shit back in my early twenties, when the fastseduction.com board still had Mystery posting and all that.

        My issue isn’t that this shit doesn’t work for me. It does, to an extent. The problem is that none of it is very satisfying. Yeah sex is nice, but after that its back to the drawing board again, time to hit the clubs, more approaches, blah blah blah.

        Once you realize that people are just animals that can be manipulated into acting on their nature, I don’t see how anybody can live in anything but existential dread. Maybe I just don’t have the desire to live in that kind of reality.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 2:40 pm YaReally

        @John
        You don’t sound like a troll so here’s some shit to mull over lol:

        “This is what rubs me the wrong way about some of you so-called Game artists; you’re a slave to your egos and you seek validation through women’s approval.”

        This is just you projecting your lack of purpose/goals onto other guys. One rich kid is bored in life sitting in his mansion counting his money, while his equally rich buddy is off traveling the world and going deep-sea diving and partying in vegas and building a career just for the personal challenge. The bored kid thinks everyone is like him but the other kid can’t even relate to him. They both have money, but one is finding purpose/goals in life to get satisfaction from, while the other has none.

        “The problem is that none of it is very satisfying. Yeah sex is nice, but after that its back to the drawing board again, time to hit the clubs, more approaches, blah blah blah.”

        So ditch girls and pickup for a few years. Start a business, master a craft like Lars Anderson (lol), do something else with your life that gives you satisfaction. And understand that right now guys like wala and myself are getting our satisfaction from doing this whether it’s because we’re learning new things or because we’re setting higher challenges for ourselves once we’ve learned them.

        “Once you realize that people are just animals that can be manipulated into acting on their nature, I don’t see how anybody can live in anything but existential dread. Maybe I just don’t have the desire to live in that kind of reality.”

        There’s a reason guys like myself, walawala etc. haven’t come to the same “existential dread” conclusion as you. We’re all taking the same actions, but somewhere along the way you, mentally, ended up down a different path from us.

        It’s not because the actions must lead there, but because we aren’t seeking validation through women’s approval like you think or like you did or like we may have done when we started. We’re enjoying the challenge and the process, but I don’t think when walawala doesn’t get a girl he goes home and cries himself to sleep and thinks it in ANY way impacts his value/success as a man in general. He would probably be more upset if he choded out and ran sloppy game than if he ran perfect game and got cockblocked. Essentially we’re playing it as more of a videogame. I don’t care if I get the girl, I just care that I played things optimally and ran “flawless” game…

        If all we wanted was sex, we could just get hookers lol

        You don’t play Halo for a few hours and get sad if you get killed, or reduce it down to just “respawn, shoot, win, repeat, what’s the point woe is me”, because you’re viewing it as a “game” where the playing itself is the reward, instead of as “work” where the result is the reward. You aren’t playing Halo for the scores at the end, you’re playing for the excitement of the battle itself. If you focus on the scores too much the actual battle is going to just seem like an inconvenient hassle between you and the score you want.

        I’d say that’s the biggest shift in the community from the fastseduction days (so you might just be a victim of the old mindsets) is that the early community absolutely WAS about validation. But over the years things have shifted to appreciating the moment and the experience for what it is, VS as a means to gain/lose self-worth.

        You’re kind of like a factory worker on an assembly line doing the same thing every day…that can absolutely be boring and monotonous and seem pointless to you. But the guy beside you might love the shit out of because he takes pride in putting his piece together exactly perfect and he puts that piece together with his eyes closed to personally challenge himself now and then and he tries assembling it one-handed just to see if he can do it and he finds all the little ways to appreciate putting that piece together and get his joy out of the process rather than the end result.

        Guys like walawala are finding their excitement through their newness to the game, they’re finding reward in the epiphanies they discover and the linking of everything in their head and the stuff they’re learning make sense. I’ve been doing it longer and I still find excitement in the seduction process itself (you might be a Pleasure of Sex guy whereas I’m a Thrill of the Hunt guy like Blackdragon talks about) and have personal goals in it (types of girls, situs that would be fun to try picking up in, types of relationships I want to have, 3-somes etc.), but I’m also focused on other goals right now that use parts of my game knowledge to succeed in other areas of my life and I find those rewarding too.

        “Once you realize that people are just animals that can be manipulated into acting on their nature, I don’t see how anybody can live in anything but existential dread. Maybe I just don’t have the desire to live in that kind of reality.”

        Then I would say work on changing your reality and your view on life. Tony Robbins says if you’re unhappy, either change your circumstances or change your expectations. I recommend checking out a bunch of Tyler’s videos like these two ’cause he goes into this a lot:

        No one can tell you what to get satisfaction from, you have to find ways to challenge your brain. …or you can continue living in existential dread. Like if you can watch those videos and still go “ehh, why bother” then you’re on your own. Do whatever makes you happy, that’s what we’re doing lol

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 2:54 pm John

        @ Ya

        Much appreciated. You make a compelling case, are you a psychiatrist or something? Anyway, being in a depressive funk along with being snowed in compelled me to post my thoughts here. Bowing out now. Thank you all.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 2:56 pm YaReally

        @trav777
        So much lol. You are my new favorite poster.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:12 pm YaReally

        @John
        Ya you sound bummed lol Winter blows. Right now I’m stuck in work mode with minimal access to poon. Not only do I have to “go through the grind” of approaching and seducing etc. to get a full harem going again when I’m done my work shit in a few months, but I’ll be starting over from practically scratch ’cause my game will atrophy etc. so it’s going to be work just to get to where I left off. And I’m in my early-30s so it’s not like I’m on some college campus at frat parties surrounded by easy access to poon.

        I could view that all as a negative frustrating thing, but I just reframe it as a fun challenge. I find my joy/satisfaction/reward in the challenge of getting my skills back. I fully expect to get blown out and lose lays, but that’s okay because I’m finding fulfillment in the process itself.

        A lot of it is just reframing things and really breaking them down into elements to find enjoyment in.

        I know when I go meet up with some chick that it’s gonna’ be one beer, some flirt, and back to my place to bone. That’s no big deal, it’s pretty much a given…and I could be bored with that because it’s predictable.

        But how can I make it interesting for myself like Tyler talks about? Maybe I invite another girl there at the same time and try for a 3-some, maybe I show up dressed like shit and try putting in as little effort as possible, maybe I see if I can make her pay for our drinks, maybe I use her to make headway with the waitress I want to bang, maybe I see if I can bang her in the bathroom instead of waiting till we get to my apartment, maybe I do some new kinky thing with her when we fuck, maybe I schedule a date with another girl immediately after this one, etc.

        Or if I want to focus on less sexual challenges, maybe she has an interesting job, maybe I can learn something from her, maybe I can practice teaching something I enjoy teaching people, maybe I can throw a few personally interesting discussion topics her way and see if she has any new perspectives for me to consider, maybe I can try being as mysterious as possible about myself and see if I can still get the lay, maybe I can try getting her to dress in certain ways for me or in ways that are more sexually appealing to me than just showing up in jeans and a shirt, maybe I can get deep inside her mind and collect further evidence of how girls think about sex and relationships and confirm game concepts to myself. Maybe I can tool her and make up stories and see how long she falls for them before I tell her she’s gullible. Maybe I want to see how much of an asshole I can be and still pull her for sex. Maybe I want to see how much of a gentlemanly chode I can be and still pull her for sex. Maybe I want to just talk in a fake accent lol

        Maybe I want to invite her out with my friends and see how she mingles with them, maybe I want to invite her out with a group of girls, maybe I want to take her to a few venues and show her off if she’s hot, maybe I want to try banging social circle girls or strippers or bored wives. Maybe I want to try banging her friends lol

        Like, there’s ways to make “the grind” interesting, but what makes it interesting for me isn’t necessarily what makes it interesting for you or walawala. And it might be time to take a break and find a different goal in life to find fulfillment in. Lifting, traveling, starting a business, creating new social circles, who knows? But maybe you need to focus on something that isn’t related to girls for a while.

        Like Tyler says in one of his recent videos: your purpose should never be your woman. You should have your OWN greater purpose in life, and her purpose should be YOU.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:32 pm Arbiter

        Trav trying again:

        This site helps losers get laid, cool…but take a step back, all you walawalas and the yareallys…you’re losers. You couldn’t get laid on your own merits, so you focused on playing some games to imitate people who could.

        That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve seen. So taking advice means someone is a loser? Reading a manual and learning to drive a car means being a loser? Are you a retard?

        I assume you never bother to learn anything boring like statistics, but fact is only a few men have a high count of sex partners, raising the mean because most men have only a few and go incel for years at a time. If you want to live like that – okay. For those who don’t, they can learn. Only a few are naturals, because this new dating market today is an unusual state. Why should the rest miss out because you think learning is for “losers”? Why should they not learn to improve how they interact with women, such as a simple thing like not calling too soon and too often to ask for a date? Why would that make anyone a “loser”? Why should they not learn to pick instead of being picked? Why is it wrong for them to improve so they can CHOOSE, whether it’s a long-term relationship or a short one?

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:38 pm Arbiter

        Arbiter, old boy, no need to sharpen your nails just yet.

        Aww, I hurt your feels, lady. You call yourself a “gentleman”? I bet you’re wearing a fedora too. Sorry buddy, you fail to present some sort of superior air.

        I never claimed to be a “natural”. I’ve had interactions with women; some have led to sex, some rejection, and worse yet some even led to relationships.

        Why the fuck would I care? Are you going to tell your whole life story or are you done now?

        I ask in good faith, what is the end game? If it is only to snare the “best possible woman”, is it not true that the game doesn’t stop afterwards? You still have to “game” her into staying with you, right? What is it all for?

        Wait, you think it’s wrong to think twice and learn how to have a long and fulfilling relationship? You think that in a world where divorce statistics have soared? “What is it for”? If you don’t see a point in either sex or relationships, then obviously you’re in the wrong place. I’m sure there’s some blog about flower arrangements for you somewhere. Though you’d probably just ask what that is for too.

        I find it amusing that you call me a feminist, but I’ll let that go. And I’m sorry you think the word “apotheosis” is so hard to penetrate.

        You’ll let that go, how sweet. I find it amusing that you don’t even see how you parrot feminist crap. Did you get off writing “penetrate”? The only time you got off this month I’m sure. The fact that you insert a word you found in a vocabulary is what I laugh at, so out of place and together with a paragraph full of pompous blather you pulled out of your ass. You try real hard to sound intellectual. Not much validation in your everyday life, it sounds like.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:46 pm Arbiter

        Excellent point, YaReally. This guy needs it explained in a way he might understand:

        You (and all Naturals and all beta chodes who lucked out that one drunken night etc.) ARE “submitting to women’s fickle whims”, you just aren’t aware of it because you don’t understand the depths of what you’re doing. All we’re doing is doing what you do more efficiently and with more consistent success and with higher quality women and social circles, because we can explain what we’re doing and fine-tune it.

        What you’re doing is basically saying “Anyone who uses electricity is stupid! I never use electricity! When I want a light to go on I just press the light switch and it goes on.”

        I’m fairly certain you won’t be able to understand that because as someone who doesn’t understand how electricity and light switches work (metaphorically speaking), you aren’t in a position where what I’m saying can make sense. Plus you’ve built a very proud identity AROUND your ignorance of how electricity and light switches work, so it’s like you’ve reinforced your lack of knowledge and see yourself as superior for it.

        I’ll add to that: is the dog trainer a “slave” for learning how dogs work and adapting to it? Is the speaker a “slave” for learning the nature of his audience and adapting to it? Is the salesman a “slave” to his customers for learning their wants and needs, and why?

        The dog trainer adapts his methods so the dogs will happily do what he wants them to do. The speaker adapts to make the audience gladly believe and vote the way he wants. The salesman adapts so the customers will hand over their money and be satisfied with doing so.

        If the dog owner was a “slave” to dogs he would just feed them without trying to affect their behavior. The speaker would just tell his audience to believe and vote how they wanted and that he’d do as they told him. The salesman would show his customers the way to the competitor and say they could go there if they thought it was best. And the beta man gives a girl attention, compliments, gifts, expensive drinks, and more attention without asking for anything or trying to affect her in any way. Hoping in his heart of hearts that she will choose him some day. Let’s call it John Game from now on.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:49 pm Arbiter

        John Game: “Hi, I’m John and I like warm hugs!”

        John ten years later: “Women are bitches! They only choose shitty men, not gentlemen like me!”

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 4:32 pm Scray

        ‘I ask in good faith, what is the end game? If it is only to snare the “best possible woman”, is it not true that the game doesn’t stop afterwards? You still have to “game” her into staying with you, right? What is it all for?’

        You ate today, what’s it all for, won’t you have to eat tomorrow? Does the hunger game stop after today?

        It really is the same type of inquiry.

        And the only reason you’re asking these questions is because you care — deeply — about what other people think about your life. To the point of needing to justify your personal decisions, should they be questioned.

        You have to let go of that or it will dominate your thinking and curtail you pursuing your goals or interests.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 5:37 pm Sentient

        @yareally – killing it, jut killing it. wish I was 20 reading at the Chateau. You guys have no idea how lucky you all are.

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 4:51 am walawala

        @John… At least I’m honest about sharing whatever works or doesn’t work for me. You sound like a typical concern troll…taking shots at people because you don’t have the guts to go into the real world and meet women and interact on any level because…well….it’s scary. Easier to sit at your keyboard and mock others.

        I’d be curious to hear more about your interactions with women…if you can remember that far back.

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 5:06 am walawala

        @trav Why would you consider anyone trying to better themselves a “loser”? I have a lot more respect for dudes who post their failures here and want to know why or how they could do better than for dudes who just automatically sneer at anyone who shares a story or an insight.

        John seems to find it frustrating or weak to want a woman instead of just “being” and having them flock to you just because you’re you…that natural charisma and charm you were born with.

        This notion of the dudes in those photos from yesteryear being “alpha” is talked about on these posts in their proper context: the world has changed since then, the feminist imperative has shaped many dudes own perceptions of themselves, their role in society and how to interact or how to NOT interact with women.

        “suck it up and be a man”…isn’t advice it’s patronizing. The questions we discuss here are about how to be a better man in the face of all the white knighting and feminist imperative where sadly women have snatched frame and popular media have followed shaping dudes perception of what they “think” they should do to become happy.

        John’s post comes post comes off as angry. I’m totally fine with banging 12 chicks a year…that makes me happy. Learning ways to keep doing this or finding women who add value to my life are what keeps me engaged in the world. If you find it sad or frustrating, I get that but don’t call us “losers” for trying.

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  19. on January 26, 2015 at 8:54 am martin

    At a gathering, a few men had wives with them and one of the wives mentioned that when she was younger, she used to flirt with a lot of different guys and thought it was innocent. Feeling bold, I said it wasn’t and that she was actually just leading men on who she was not even interested in. She stopped for a second and then said “well, yes, but…”. Then tried to justify herself by saying men did it too and at this point, every man in the room joined my side and said men don’t lead women on just for attention, if they are flirting with a woman at all, it is because they would have sex with her right then and there. Yes, there are exceptions, probably for the more feminine of men who require external validations but these are very rare.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 9:08 am Arbiter

      “men do it too” She opened a can of worms there. 😀

      Yes, like I wrote above, if a guy is dating a girl (or flirts with her as it were) he has already decided he wants to be with her. And then he has to hold off and pretend he doesn’t want to go straight home and have sex, because he would seem desperate and therefore low quality if he was that honest. So he has to pretend that he seriously wants the date rather than speeding things up. This dishonesty by omission is basic game, of course, and it is necessary because we have to adapt to women’s response.

      But dishonesty – even in the form of calculating your actions, not lying by commission – is always frowned upon in any circumstance. So when game is revealed, it is seen as something negative. And there will always be those who want to exploit this – feminists to attack men, and lower betas to run anti-game in the hope of getting warm hugs. This is something that will always be a factor for the manosphere even as it slowly gains more attention.

      This situation arose because the step-by-step, ordered courtship of the past has been abolished. There was a time when a guy actually would ask for a formal date and show up with flowers, because that was the script, and all sides – guy, girl, parents – followed the script. You couldn’t be accused of dishonesty then.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 11:35 am mendozatorres

        I like the way you phrased this:

        “And then he has to hold off and pretend he doesn’t want to go straight home and have sex, because he would seem desperate and therefore low quality if he was that honest.”

        And that’s the game. Playing your cards right, holding frame, and winning in the end.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 11:23 am martin

      I will say something else, that same night, the same woman said, “I like how you keep describing women in general terms”, sarcastically. She was offended by how I was being a harsh critic of women, particularly since they describe a lot of their own manners in innocent terms yet flirting with a man, to a man, is hardly innocent, it is serious. My point here is that, yes, I am annoyed by a lot of what women do just as the commenter in the post was. But women don’t like it when men are too critical so don’t be too critical I suppose, as much as people here describe them as being completely empty headed, they are not, and they will notice your harshness and not only take offense but likely think you have a chip on your shoulder too.

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  20. on January 26, 2015 at 9:40 am Lichthof

    I’m going through this exactly right now with a 26 year old at work (too close to home I know but I’m tempted to leave the job anyway). I’m 35 and I know she likes me. Early on in a moment of her weakness and unexpectedly for me, she looked up to me and asked me longingly when I would be back from vacation like a 7 year old. She goes red sometimes when she is around me and flirts (badly) with other men even her bosses when she is around me. She is feminine and very hot and definitely LTR / mother material – but her initial interest was bad timing for me (I was seeing two others at the same time).
    This year I have made it pretty obvious I like her but the games are now endless. She blows me sporadically off when I text her or ask her to lunch (which we use do before), so I then ignore her so we both end up missing out on spending quality time with each other. All this makes me sad and I am not a patient person generally. No idea where to go from here. Stalemate.

    As I said she is very feminine and despite her games, I know she is not very strong and is easily scared away. Delicate situation all round.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 11:13 am trav777

      i got one like that…it’s a work thing. Mine came out and told me she won’t date me until one of us leaves the company despite that I’m a sub and am in the same office as her for one day maybe every 2 months.

      women are weird…I’m like ok, suit yourself baby. I’ll keep stoking the coals every now and again, but life goes on.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 4:00 pm Arbiter

        Why do you tell us, trav? You just wrote that “game isn’t the savior of society; it is an anathema”, “game is dysgenic”, “This site helps losers get laid” and “You couldn’t get laid on your own merits, so you focused on playing some games to imitate people who could.”

        So why do you talk about “stoking the coals” which is … OH NO, game? Hypocrisy is a bitch when your older posts are still there.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 11:27 am The Judge

      You both sound like dumb cunts.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 11:38 am Sentient

      @lichthof

      Oneitis warning issued. That said, since you want to leave the job anyway, just escalate with her boldly.. hold your hand out, she takes it.. stare in her eyes, pull her in close, whisper in her ear, this has gone on long enough, tonight 7PM at XX bar next to office. If the vibe is right kiss her.

      Then break, just turn and walk casually away.

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  21. on January 26, 2015 at 9:49 am Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    Indeed women play games with men not only to test their fitness is a mate but they also toy with men’s hearts as pure entertainment. For the same reason you will hear women say they like me in “with a sense of humor.”

    When was the last time you heard men’s say they wanted women to be entertaining and “with a sense of humor?” On the contrary men prefer tranquility in a relationship; that their women to be a low drama affair. This is one of the most important, but usually unacknowledged, differences about 21st century western women. They’ve got it so good in their comfortable life that they can afford to play games for fun and manufacture their own drama just for entertainment’s sake.

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  22. on January 26, 2015 at 9:52 am Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    Indeed women play games with men not only to test their fitness in a mate but they also toy with men’s hearts as pure entertainment. For the same reason you will hear women say they want men “with a sense of humor.”

    When was the last time you heard men’s say they wanted women to be entertaining and “with a sense of humor?” On the contrary men prefer tranquility in a relationship; that their women to be a low drama affairs. This is one of the most important, but usually unacknowledged, differences about 21st century western women. They’ve got it so good in their comfortable lives that they can afford to play games for fun and manufacture their own drama just for entertainment’s sake.

    Women desire thrills and excitement; men want tranquility.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 10:15 am anon

      good comment. additionally reading women’s profiles on dating sites is hilarious (or depressing, depending on your willingness to accept the world as it is vs. being bitter about how it should be)

      After reading CH for over 2 years, I now see that the guys who say “it’s like following a script” are right. I literally know these women I’m flirting with better than they know themselves. Literally. I have read CH and Rationale Male for 2 years and they have been told (and believe) pretty little lies their entire lives. They are confused little mice. I literally have a PhD in their psychology compared to them–and a PhD from CH and Rationale Male is the real deal, not a leftist garbage crap from a “respected university.” lol

      I still struggle with game because I am stubborn and I WANT so badly to just be a nice guy (from a place of confidence and non-neediness [I’m basically MGTOW]), and, again, it is like a script, every single time, with every woman.

      Send too many texts too often — she’s gone because she thought you were needy.

      Follow CH’s advice, even down to a script level — she stays interested.

      I recently used “Nah” to good effect. Girl who does not understand her own self and motivations, of course…. was flirting, she’s a single mom so she needs a little bit of beta game, but not TOO much (she still has a wrongly artificially high ego about herself, because she’s hot, but she fails to deduct points because she comes with a 10 year old son–the alpha she wants would not give her the time of day). She has a BF but gives me beta bait, whining that she never has any fun, basically implying she is going to dump him.

      I was being too beta, texting too much and after she declined offer of in-person fun together. So she went silent for a few days. So I in turn went silent, deleted her from my contacts, re-deleted her as iphone makes you do or it still shows up when you start to type her name as a “recent.”

      Sure enough, straight to script, at 12:30 AM last Saturday night she texts me with all sorts of smileys and exclamation points… she reread my text about going out, she’s thinking of me, winky face, etc.

      I STILL did not respond.

      Next day she sends me a flurry of texts wanting to “talk that night” even though she knows I’m busy.

      My response was “nah.”

      More texts from her. I truly have a MGTOW attitude now. I do not have time to waste giving her attention by text. She will meet me in person or get no more attention from me, at all.

      The thing is, SHE needs that, while not knowing it. I have to lead her without expressly saying that. Unlike those of us who read CH, she does not understand how in-person kino, eye contact, strong body language, etc, is NECESSARY for HER to be able to like me. Nothing good can come of texting other than scheduling a real life meetup.

      I’m inching towards applying CH’s lessons. Meantime I’m flirting with a few others (not enough) and same thing…. following the script works every time.

      My personal mission for the next few weeks is to stick to basically no texting other than to schedule IRL meetup.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 10:27 am Arbiter

      A sense of humor is always great, I’d think everyone wants that in a partner. It doesn’t have to mean telling jokes. But women say “someone who is nice” and “someone who has a sense of humor” because these are the Politically Correct, approved criteria. Delving too deep into how people work and how that affects your choices is forbidden knowledge, because it will inevitably lead to a recognition that all are not equal. Which is why so few know the evolutionary psychology that directs them.

      As for thrills and excitement vs tranquility, I’d say most want both, but the doses vary between individuals. Aren’t Western men the ultimate thrill-seekers, the ones who pioneer sports like hang-gliding?

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 5:59 am Anonymous

        http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IDtnwb0aRTo

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 6:18 am PA

        Now that’s what I call quality LOLZ. Especially the karate moves. “Bow to your sensei. Grab my hand. Walk away”

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 11:08 am Sentient

      “Women desire thrills and excitement; men want tranquility.”

      This is why so many guys suck with women. They are boring and think women think like men. Cats are not dogs.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 4:14 pm Arbiter

        One more point about the thrills and excitement: I’d say it’s more of a wish to be out among other people. Going to a restaurant even though you could eat at home; to the movies even though you could download; and so forth. When it comes to vacations, women (and Blacks) prefer beaches and cities more than men (and Whites), and appreciate the countryside, hiking, visiting historical monuments and architecture less. Women more than men prefer to live in cities instead of the peaceful countryside. The masses are a lure. The masses are safety and social belonging.

        Remember this to understand a lot of female behavior: women have always survived through other people. They had to adapt to living in a household where the mother-in-law ruled while the man was out hunting. They needed to gain the approval of the other women in the tribe because children were partly looked after collectively. They had to woo a man who would provide for them, because women are weaker. Men could survive on their own, women could not. (This is also why women use a larger vocabulary on a daily basis, why they are more interested in languages, why they have a higher average linguistic skill. Communication means survival for them. Though men have more outliers in all mental fields, and will therefore always make up most of the best writers.)

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  23. on January 26, 2015 at 10:25 am anon

    LOL. I know a dude who is as blue pill as they come. Completely and thoroughly brainwashed SWPL. He is about to “earn” a PhD in psychology, and his dissertation is an attempt to explain why blacks don’t do as well as whites in college and grad school in the field of medicine. He is pretty much done writing his paper, and he has not heard of the concepts of K- and r-selection, nor of Occam’s Razor. I kid you not. Fucking lzozlzozlzozl. He said, “I have not come across those concepts in my research; must not be peer-reviewed.”

    Remember what GBFM pointed out about peer review.

    lzozlzzlzoozl this dude has created some convoluted, crazy, mind-twisting explanation, in direct violation of Occam’s Razor, saying basically that the reason is that black families lack capital.

    Ok…. which came first, chicken or egg?

    I tried to tell him 80 IQ gonna 80 IQ, no matter what self-flagellating tweaks whites make to the education system, and Occam’s Razor.

    This information blew his mind. He now thinks I’m Satan himself. lzolzozlz

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 4:28 pm Arbiter

      Tell him that Latinos that come to the U.S. have less capital than Blacks but earn more in just a generation. Chinese that came to the U.S. in the past had no education but the second-generation immigrants still earned almost as much as Whites. Blacks in Europe are the poorest immigrant groups, whether as first or second generation, despite massive programs to give them free money and education.

      It seems that the results of Whites “oppressing” others are random. How odd that all groups always do better than Blacks, regardless of origin.

      South Korea used to be dirt poor. Now it’s rich. Luckily they don’t have a Black people but an East Asian one. Haiti shares an island with the Dominican Republic. Haiti is all-Black and therefore does worse. Haiti once produced more food than the U.S. but is now a wasteland where the soil has blown away due to reckless deforestation.

      Blacks in South Africa had the continent’s highest purchasing power under White rule, but now the country is a basket case propped up only by foreign aid and favorable trade deals. Half of the women have been raped, 18,000 White farmers have been murdered. Rhodesia was called Africa’s bread basked, selling food to neighboring countries, but now as Zimbabwe the country can’t feed itself. Meanwhile South-East Asians, starting in the Middle Ages, have used White technology to great effect. Everyone has done better with the gifts from White science than Blacks.

      There, I just wrote half the paper for him. All he needs to do now is draw the obvious conclusion.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 9:27 pm Freddie

        hinese that came to the U.S. in the past had no education but the second-generation immigrants still earned almost as much as Whites.

        Not almost as much. More than whites, in fact.

        Asians are a very inconvenient truth for blacks. This could get ugly very soon.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 10:34 pm KP

      The real meaning of peer review:

      “Will our journal be embarrassed if we publish this?”

      That’s it! I once-over quick check to make sure the submission isn’t too far off from the prevailing wisdom. Nothing in depth, and absolutely no independent confirmation of any research alleged to have taken place.

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  24. on January 26, 2015 at 10:30 am Anonymous

    Of course, there is also Jihad game, where males simply kill all the white knights between them and their future harem slaves.

    On that score there is also “not fucking around any more crusader/wwii american gi/there’s a new sherif in town game” where (usually white European) former betas man up, put notice on all faggotry, then firmly put the little darlings back into their fucking place. Note Crusader game requires an Alpha leader who gives a genuine shit about his betas, and betas that are willing to show some balls and loyalty to other men for once in their miserable lives. Hence the “new sherif in town” aspect.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 11:06 am Greg Eliot

      Seems like any new sheriff in town these days is going to have to resign himself to the High Noon route.

      Wish it weren’t so.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 1:00 pm Publius

        Some are ready to join and some are even ready to lead, when it gets bad enough.

        To the MSM/YKW/Cathedral/Elite/Hivemind who think the fight is over and have, therefore, been gloating, getting sloppy and ridiculous, and throwing things like pajamaboy and the Obamacare ad campaign in our faces the last four years: lzozlozlzozz. Don’t turn your back. You’re not going anywhere. You stay until the job’s done.

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  25. on January 26, 2015 at 10:30 am eofahapi

    This is a good post. I agree about women playing games to understand who are the strong men, but, some thoughts on possible other reasons.

    I think women play games with men for a number of reasons. I think especially in the modern day many women have become confused about what is attractive to men. There are numerous dating books that say women must play hard to get. I have never read in a dateing book to make a man jealous, but I know it is a very common tactic with women, and I think it is because some women think maybe, that it will make a man like them more.

    The same like withholding affection as game, women are taught not to be clingy and to be strong and independent.

    It can also be from boredom, absolutely. I think that is much more subconcious and natural game playing. A little like sh*t testing just for the fun of it, I suppose.
    Not necesarily with evil intent, a woman can easily rationalize that the game or sh*t test is in fact not a game at all, and completely justified.

    Then there is needy game playing. A woman genuinaly not sure of a man’s affections could resort to playing games to be more sure of his love. (For example, making him feel jealous, silent treatment, saying one thing meaning other etc. ).

    Then bi*tch games. Playing games just for the thrill of it. I imagine it is more uncommon than the others, but of course some women play games purely for their own amusement. Which I suppose is sadistic..or masochistic..depending on the guy she is playing.

    And good game playing. Good game playing is like good manipulation and is probably more rare than the other types. It is when you are able to read a man sufficiently to play games in order to gratify his ego. This could take the form of pretending you are jealous of him talking to another woman, when you are not jealous, or telling him that you saw another woman looking at him, and she probably likes him. This helps him to feel desired. You do not go psycho jealous but you do just enough to build his confidence. This is a game, but not a malicious one as you want him to be the winner.
    A certain amount of game playing is innate. Of course a person can get over that, it depends on many factors, how much the woman will play games.

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  26. on January 26, 2015 at 10:51 am mendozatorres

    Ah, that’s better.

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  27. on January 26, 2015 at 11:04 am BlackPoisonSoul

    All women should be required to go to Thailand and see all the pretty young girls on the arm of an older man.

    A woman I know went there, later she was bitching about how disgusting it was. I busted her chops in a charming way, teasing her about how she was checking out her competition and was upset because she couldn’t compete. By the end of it she was giggling her head off.

    Women, full of sound and drivel signifying nothing much between the ears.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 1:00 pm Bobby Cuddlefuck aka The Hamster Whisperer

      It is a tale told by hamsters, full of sound and drivel…

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 1:04 pm Greg Eliot

        … signifying pellets.

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  28. on January 26, 2015 at 11:26 am Karl

    Another chapter Teaching women not to rape (while cheating).

    Mrs Daresa Poe, nee Daresa Redd, is a mother and is the wife of Allan D. Poe, a licensed pesticide applicator – they live at 2154 Santa Fe Street in Waynoka OK 73860.

    Mrs Poe was arrested for multiple instances of fucking an under-aged male student at the high school where she teaches.

    Call Mr Poe at 580-824-0537, and discuss the futility of “working past it”.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 1:00 pm Greg Eliot

      Oklahoma?

      I’d call, but my policy is to stay out of foreign affairs.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:03 pm mendozatorres

        I figured she’d be from Tulsa, what with her backwards thinking and all.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 1:03 pm Greg Eliot

      https://localtvwtkr.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/sex-ed-teacher.jpg?w=300&h=162

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 4:35 pm Arbiter

      Why do you post someone’s full name and address here? You act like a fucking socialist prick, getting off on attacking people online so their names will show up in search engines.

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  29. on January 26, 2015 at 12:21 pm elmer

    Have been working in an all-male startup for the last three years at an isolated dungeon on a government facility. I am loathe to leave and re-enter female infested divisions of Encorpera for the simple reason that engaging workplace women at any level is just exhausting. Should I play along and interact with what appear on the surface to be reasonable female colleagues it is only a matter of time before one of them impales me in however a subtle but emasculating manner. Cripe, at one previous gig the aging “receptionist office manager” had taken the hotties for me after I won a contract and was agitating for me to stare longingly at her sagging boobs. When she got hold of my passport for a government clearance function she got livid over my numerous entry stamps to SE Asia.

    And at this current job there are zero men. The building is cold and windowless. Expect last summer some young waif shows up to work for another subcontractor. Instantly she picked up a beta-orbiter and I observed them outside, she staring pensively at her knees while he lent her some kind of emotional support. And you know she also had a boyfriend, Sean, who is in a “band”. When they leave the break area she fixes her gaze on me. The next day I am strolling into work around 10:30 (an aloof alpha signal) and there she is sitting at the lab entrance where I have never seen anyone sit and setting out her beta attractor net in expectation to reel me in. Not the first time I have witnessed women sitting at the very entrance to some corporate building to advertise her availability for some fool(s) to be her emotional sop. No man of substance broadcasts when he is shirking unless there is some political expediency in driving rivals nuts with a seemingly carefree attitude.

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  30. on January 26, 2015 at 12:52 pm martin

    Since we are on this topic, I have a question for some of the experienced gentlemen here. There is a barrista girl I see once or twice a week, she is somewhat new. She talks to me differently than most barristas, talks slower and waits for me to respond instead of the usual “hihowcanihelp” and I have caught her glancing at me a few times and just today she looked me dead in the eyes after I ordered something. It is actually kind of creepy because she has giant blue eyes that peer right in to your soul. I can’t tell if these are definite signs of interest or in the spirit of this post, just serial flirtations she does with every male customer. I am hesitant because I go there so often and if it ends badly then I will probably have to change the time I go out of shame.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 12:58 pm Greg Eliot

      Geez, Louise… the world should have your dilemmas. :duckface

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 1:03 pm martin

        ha, its their own fault if they don’t have the same luxurious lifestyle.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 1:06 pm Scray

      ‘ I can’t tell if these are definite signs of interest or in the spirit of this post, just serial flirtations she does with every male customer. I am hesitant because I go there so often and if it ends badly then I will probably have to change the time I go out of shame.’

      And you’ll never be able to tell. You have to go in with some tester lines. ‘Why are you so nice to me, you’re too good at your job, you know…such a flirt.’ See how she reacts.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 1:13 pm martin

        right, I will have to come up with something good then and see how far I can push this.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 1:52 pm trav777

      Shame? For what? Ask her out. Order when there is no one in line behind you. Talk to her a bit. Write your number on a slip of paper and put it in her hand on the DL. I’ve done this with flight attendants, desk chicks at CVS…whoever. Just do it. Sometimes they call, sometimes they don’t.

      If she never calls, act like you don’t care…because you don’t. There’s no shame in being bold and going for something you want. Chicks actually dig men who do that.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 2:18 pm martin

        Thats a fairly decent plan. It puts the onus on her doesn’t it, I don’t have to act like I care if she calls and if she isn’t playing games, then she would probably call me, if she is just playing games, I lose nothing here.

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  31. on January 26, 2015 at 12:59 pm Scray

    So now red-pillers whine about what essentially are shit tests. K. Just let it go…this is the world. And it was always like this. Forever.

    If you have abundance in your life, stupid shit like this won’t phase you. You essentially cold approach to ingrain ‘don’t hesitate’ into your mind. That way, you can just integrate talking with women into your normal life. I strike up conversations all the time with women.

    And the great thing is that I’ve met so many and have had so many positive experiences, that I don’t really attach anything to the initial interaction. So if she tries to shit-test me or rattle me or make me jealous or whatever, I don’t give a shit. I don’t even need to react because I know what’s happening and it’s silly to me. Of course, having that attitude ensures effortless 100% pass rate.

    Incidentally, there was a post awhile ago about ‘giving back.’ I’m proud to say that I did some pro bono work helping a few guys with getting attempted TRO’s thrown out of court recently. Just normal college aged guys dealing with insane chicks. TRO’s are far outside what I do in my day-to-day, but my connection to CH and the red pill made it easy to jump into. I might keep doing it on the side to get those PB hours.

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  32. on January 26, 2015 at 12:59 pm Waffles

    What in the actual hell…

    http://6abc.com/news/man-may-be-jailed-for-not-paying-child-support-for-son-who-isnt-his/490355/

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 3:01 pm Black Poison Soul

      This is not unusual at all. Hell, it was not unusual 20-30 years ago.

      Get a paternity test, the court doesn’t care. The man is there, he’s the one who pays out the ringhole.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 4:48 pm Arbiter

      That is insane. I thought it was a case where they had been married, and he’d be forced to pay for a child she had with someone else. That would be bad, and criminal, enough. But they weren’t even married. I assume they had simply dated at some point.

      Though DNA tests have proven the child isn’t his, Alexander still owes more than $30,000 to the state because the child’s mother used his name as the father to get welfare benefits.

      Under Michigan law, that means Alexander owes child support.

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  33. on January 26, 2015 at 1:20 pm elmer

    Off-topic but, The billionaire removed his shirt. He had been working out at the gym, and it showed!

    Should fuel the meme cycle for a good couple of months.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 1:30 pm Greg Eliot

      I sense a disturbance… It’s as if millions of hamsters suddenly squealed in virtual orgasm… and all betas were suddenly silenced.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 2:15 pm mendozatorres

        +1! COTW…

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 1:45 pm YaReally

      Dude has bad eye-contact. Beady-bulging-staring eyes and sexual/seductive laser-eyes are two different things. Will be interested to quiz girls on what they thought of him once the movie hits.

      Ryan Gosling, James Franco, Robert Downey Jr, the Vampire Diaries guy, Matthew McConaheighhegihegeh, etc. all have good sexual laser-eyes (watch Gosling in Drive and James Franco on General Hospital for a crash-course in subcommunication and eye-contact), it’s a big part of why girls cream themselves over them. This guy just has big beady staring eyes which are intense but not sexual.

      I read that he had a preggers wife at home during shooting and is generally kind of a stick in the mud about sex (he went to a kink club and his comments were pretty subtly judgemental about the lifestyle) and even the Jezzies don’t think they have any real chemistry:

      http://jezebel.com/double-crap-fifty-shades-of-grey-stars-cant-fucking-st-1679090998

      This is interesting to me because I know MEN won’t be able to see the subtle subcomms. Men are going to expect women to all be gushing in the aisles over this guy because he’s ripped and rich wearing a suit and shit, which is what I think the Producers of the movie thought too (“what who cares about this eye-contact thing, just put him in a suit and have him fly her in his private jet that’s what women are attracted to DUH”) when they hired him…but women are going to pick up on the subtle subcomms and I think they’re going to have a different reaction than everyone is expecting.

      Like I think there’ll be a lot of “he’s pretty to look at but doesn’t really do anything for me” and “the sex scenes were hot, it looked like that would be fun to try, but the guy wasn’t sexy” responses from women because of the eye-contact thing.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 2:00 pm FuriousFerret

        Jax (Charlie Hunnam) from SOA was the first choice by producers but got backlash from girls because he’s fair haired and colored and they wanted classical tall dark and handsome as their ideal man.

        He would have been much better choice because he can do that bad boy with a heart of gold that is GOAT.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 2:37 pm The Spirit Within

        He’s probably just not good enough an actor. Nicholson would’ve killed this part forty years ago.

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 10:11 am been busy babe boo

        Yes Ya. So obvious now. Has to do with soft/hard gazing in a popular eye contact book someone posted here (can’t remember right now). Says to soften your focus/gaze. This gives that “twinkle in the eye” feeling CH is gay for. Ryan Gosling is a perfect example. Bill Clinton is king (check the 90s debates with Bush on youtube).

        The actor’s vibe is a bit off tbh. Seems tense and not grounded for a man with the power portrayed. Doubt that’s the character in the book. I also can’t wait to see the reaction from the garls dem.

        Missed you here YaReally boo x

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 11:42 am YaReally

        @boo ❤
        "Has to do with soft/hard gazing in a popular eye contact book someone posted here (can’t remember right now). Says to soften your focus/gaze."

        Interesting, I haven't heard it described that way before but those are good words for it. This guy is doing really intense eye-contact that people who hear "make laser eye-contact with a girl to seduce her" think it would be since that's what we're used to doing when we're angry or deeply engrossed in something etc.

        But it's more of a "softened" bedroom eyes lazy eyelids gaze that's just locked on.

        Like I say, it'll be interesting to see what happens. Girls know the difference between the two gazes but the vast majority of guys don't. A lot of the time when a guy is like "man I have this Natural buddy that girls just LOVE, he doesn't even say anything CLEVER he's just making stupid small talk that isn't even funny or interested and it's like I'm invisible beside him", generally it's because his Natural buddy is doing the proper laser eye-contact thing.

        The better you get at the lasers the less you need clever verbal game (if any at ALL, really). Part of why my verbal game is over the top is because I didn't figure out this eye-contact difference till the last year or so AND I had bad habits built up from the early PUA days of "show disinterest by looking around the room as if you're bored by what she's saying". So without eye-contact I HAD to have sharp verbals. I'm finding with the right soft laser-eye shit we're talking about I can let my verbal game drop into just boring small talk and half-sentences and still get lots of attraction lol

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 12:49 pm Sentient

        On laser eye, this is something I can do very well and have heard many times “bedroom eyes” etc. even when I was full beta. I think the key here is not to grin like an idiot, a closed mouth is better, relax your body don’t be tense and “pushing” your gaze and finally to slightly raise just the edge of your eyebrows, the edge closest to your nose. Sounds fucked up but softens the overall look while maintaining an edgy intent.

        The other part is when she realizes you are looking deeply into her eyes and she realizes she is getting excited by it and DOESN’T want to break the gaze but is getting very uncomfortable with the pressure at the same time, like then she will start to smile wider or giggle, still holding her gaze to yours, at THAT point keep the same slack intent look. Don’t smile or laugh and break the tension. Hold it a bit longer, a bit longer and generally then if she doesn’t just turn her head away or down to break it, move in closer holding it and kiss her. FWIW.

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 4:10 pm theasdgamer

        How do “dancing eyes” relate to seduction, if at all? Playful vibe? Do they imply many shades of meaning including “bedroom eyes”?

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      • on January 29, 2015 at 3:10 pm Amy

        I have experience with this type of relationship and he’s all wrong. Facial expression, eyes, everything. I’m not even going to see the movie because I know it will suck and be totally unrealistic. They’d be better off with John Hamm playing Don Draper. But Hollywood is never going to make a realistic BDSM movie for mainstream. Imagine the backlash.

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      • on January 30, 2015 at 5:26 am theasdgamer

        @ yareally

        I’m finding with the right soft laser-eye shit we’re talking about I can let my verbal game drop into just boring small talk and half-sentences and still get lots of attraction lol

        I can just dance with a woman and do the gaze and build attraction. It happens without me really noticing. Don’t even need small talk. Holding a woman fairly close (not belt-buckle-polishing distance, but normal dance hold) has automatic kino and your heads are close to the kiss zone. You can tease her about your hand on her back dropping to her butt if you’re dancing in your social circle or let your hand drop to her butt if it’s a night club and you’re Ok with PDA.

        There are hip leads in some dances and lots of patterns and moves that let you put your hands all over a woman’s body and dominate her and she has total cover. Dancing is a plausible excuse for all this fun stuff.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 2:37 pm trav777

      look at this dude…he got money, he knows how to fly a fuckin glider, he knows how to dominate a chick.

      This is what women want, guys with this kinda cred. He could look like a troll and he’d still be awash in pussy.

      Even without the billions, take a chick flying and you’re in her pants right then and there.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 2:56 pm anon

      it’s hilarious how it’s coming out on valentines day

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  34. on January 26, 2015 at 1:31 pm YaReally

    Personally I wouldn’t want a girl who DOESN’T test the men that approach her.

    ’cause when I get her, and I WILL, I won’t have to worry about other men fucking her because none of those pussies can get through the minefield I effortlessly navigated, and they will seem boring and unattractive to her because of it. They’re welcome to try to hit on her, because I know none of them have the game to pull it off. And for me, passing her shit-tests is effortless because I’ve developed a strong solid frame from field experience being shit-tested by women so I don’t even really think about it.

    Like literally at this moment a girl who’s sick is txting me and I KNOW it’s going to be something like “bring me soup :(” or something stupid. I’m not even looking at the text till I’m done writing this comment (when I started out I would drop EVERYTHING any time my phone went off to immediately read what a girl txted me lol) and when it’s inevitably a text fishing for sympathy, I’m going to just respond “lol” and move on with my day and she’s going to send a bunch more texts crying that I don’t care blah blah and threaten to delete me and later tonight I’ll just text “you’re cute when you’re mad.” and she’ll pretend to be mad at me and I’ll send her a funny meme pic making fun of her being mad and she’ll just be more attracted to me in the end.

    That shit would have other guys jumping through flaming hoops (she’s hot as fuck lol) trying to appease her or fix her being upset, or would scare them off completely (I show my buddy her txts and he’s just like “I couldn’t deal with that holy shit man she’s crazy”), but it’s like, 2 effortless txts out of my day. It’s not even really a test to me, it’s just a girl being silly. I know she’s not actually mad or actually going to delete me or anything…she’s just testing to make sure I’m still a boss so she can feel reassured that being attracted to me is still a good idea.

    A girl who doesn’t test the guys who approach her? What kind of notch count do you think that girl is going to have? lol

    Guys who get pissed that girls test them are guys who don’t understand how high-value they really are. When you know you can get other girls and that her being allowed to be with you makes her the lucky one, these tests are just cute. All she’s trying to do is make sure you’re still the badass guy she was first attracted to. It’s like stomping the floor to make sure it’s solid so you don’t have to worry about falling through lol It doesn’t mean you hate the floor or you’re an asshole for wanting to make sure you’re walking on something solid.

    (for the record she txted “my tummy hurts” followed by “omg”…I’m not even going to text the “lol” to that shit lol)

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 2:48 pm trav777

      oh, I thought you meant they were actually sick. I’m pretty fkin callous but I wouldn’t lol at a girl who had a heart attack (one of my FWBs actually did) nor the flu or a real illness. It’s cheap to say “dang that sux” after like 15 mins and then segue onto what I would rather talk about.

      In fact, I rescued an interaction with a chick who is a serious spoiled whiner the other night this way. She bailed on me (respect for not flaking totally) via txt saying she was sick. And I said “well it’s your lucky day, because i’m such a nice guy I will bring you orange juice. vitamin C is great for colds.” she lol’d. I said “this doctor makes house calls”, and, “I will play doctor with you.” Why’d I go this route? Bc I was tacitly accusing her of being full of shit!

      And the next day *I* initiated contact with her and went out drinking with her. When she whined in person I said “stop whining.” And when she covered her tits, I said “why did you wear that sweater if you didn’t want me to look at your tits?”

      My point? That it really doesn’t MATTER what you do if you just do it right. You can be cool and actually be concerned and still be alpha. Be bold and let your balls show.

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 6:20 pm Robert

      “My tummy hurts” You should have texted “Take an enema.” (Smiley face optional)

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 3:17 am KP

        “Are you pregnant?”

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 11:23 pm Sticky the Bear

      Game vernacular was coined after my time. In retrospect, I suppose I was simply too stupid to think of it as a test. Always chalked such things as – ‘Why are you talking to me?’, ‘Do I know you?’ and such – as a form of social anxiety on her behalf. Suppose I should have had snappy answers to these stupid questions – but, usually I’d just say something off-handed and carried on with what I was saying. Since I’ve come to appreciate the principles being applied by you lady-killers – ‘shit tests’ have become an amusing form of jujitsu. What? I can use this to build her attraction to me? Well, hell – that’s why I approached her in the first place! She’s actually helping me! So – Now I just let these tests hang in the air for a while, put on a Saturday Night Smirk – and say something dominant – but warm. Then later, I’ll tease her with her own test.

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 2:15 am YaReally

        @Sticky
        “Since I’ve come to appreciate the principles being applied by you lady-killers – ‘shit tests’ have become an amusing form of jujitsu. What? I can use this to build her attraction to me?”

        Ya, I’ve said before that guys don’t NEED to have these witty little comebacks and shit. You CAN just ignore her or send a “…” or whatever and be all super laconic James Bond badass alpha and still get the lay. It’s just that I’ll get it faster, because while you’re just avoiding losing attraction and building slight attraction, I’m building HUGE spikes of attraction with how I pass her tests (amplifying them and turning them sexual etc.).

        So like, it’s not mandatory to engage these tests to get laid, but when you can see them as silver platter opportunities to build massive attraction, why not take the swing and make your pickup more efficient?

        Part of why I can take girls off guys isn’t that those guys necessarily don’t have any game. It’s that when she shit-tests us, that guy stands there or has a little one word James Bond response, and I say/do something that makes her shit bricks with “OMG!!!”s and attraction and that guy just becomes invisible to her because I’m the one spiking her emotions so I become her full focus and that guy doesn’t know how to spike her emotions to get that focus back from me.

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 11:49 am Sticky the Bear

        Alright, but what particular emotions are you spiking? Going with the Jujutsu analogy – agree and amplify … her initial attraction to a high value male? Can’t relate to the emotion.

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  35. on January 26, 2015 at 1:33 pm PA

    Refering to the kerfufe upthread, I have a question to whorefinder, and I’ll tell you why I ask. Our little donnybrooks, as amusing as they are to me and some in the audience, always turn out the same way: the more you attack me, the more my value as a commenter increases. And the more I slap you in retaliation, the lower your value sinks. There is also a disconnect between the things you amusingly accuse me of, and my ideological position as understood by those ’round here who’ve known me for some time. That’s another way of saying “delusion.” Furthermore, many of your wild accusations are posted early in the day so it’s not likely that you’re keyboarding while drunk. And yet they have this rote and formulaic, for someone of your demonstrated wit, consistency about them.

    Now, I ask because you’re a funny fuck. Clown face and monkey dicks funny. I also ask because I care. So here goes: is there something wrong with you?

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 2:44 pm The Spirit Within

      Yes, he’s warped.

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 3:07 pm PA

        Zip yo lip. I didn’t ask you anything.

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  36. on January 26, 2015 at 3:04 pm theasdgamer

    @ yareally et. al.

    How do you deal with the oxytocin effect that you get from dancing a lot with one woman?

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    • on January 26, 2015 at 3:22 pm YaReally

      @theasdgamer
      Is “dancing” code for sex? lol

      I just don’t see them more than once a week. Keeps us both from getting clingy too fast. I calibrate it to the girl too, if she’s a Stage 5 clinger type I’ll only see her once every 3 weeks or once a month maybe even less if she’s a severe case. If she’s cold and dead inside like me then once a week with the occasional rare twice a week can be okay.

      Have more than one woman on the go and space out when you see them so you aren’t spending tons of time with just one woman in a short period of time. If you have just one girl and you spend a month dating and banging that one girl, you’re begging to catch a case of the feels and end up in an LTR scared to go back to playing the field.

      This happens to lots of guys (myself included, twice lol) in the winter. It gets too shitty out and we start just calling up fuckbuddies instead of going out, and they want to cuddle up with a boyfriend for the holidays and cold winter nights so they’re all for it too, and then next thing you know it’s spring but you’re 4 months deep into an LTR and 4 months out of practice at being single and your brain decides it doesn’t want to hurt the girl and it’s scared of going back out into the big bad world of approaching girls, and you just stay with her and slowly die inside because you didn’t CHOOSE her over all the other girls out there, you just let yourself fall into an LTR with her out of a fear of work/loneliness and it’ll eat your soul lol

      I’m very careful in the winter to avoid falling into the LTR trap. I would rather be 100% single with no girls and just jacking it off to porn than see one girl 2+ times a week all winter, cause when spring comes in the first case I can ditch the porn and go have fun but when spring comes in the second case I’m suck with dead weight (and she’ll have GAINED weight over the winter with all those xmas dinners and shit of course, while all the hot girls who don’t have a man were doing their spin classes and hot yoga to get in shape for spring lol).

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      • on January 26, 2015 at 9:43 pm mas00

        I have a question and something that seems to be of a struggle for me right now. I’m 31, and all my friends are getting a married, my buddy only dates older white women (weird), and some of my friends think I’m crazy for not ever wanting to get married.

        My buddy has one-itis for a divorced woman with 2 kids, and we don’t even have the same aspirations, most of my other friends don’t even go out. Other people I meet are sad, because they just got dumped, and are clueless about single life now.

        I’m busy with my life, interest, building more hobbies, etc and I do go out alone more in the day time than at night, I find it hard to find cool guys who I can learn from and are not jaded by L.A. Hollywood scene, etc.

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 2:21 am YaReally

        mas00
        Not sure what your question is lol

        But here’s a good vid that might help if you’re annoyed by all the pressure you’re getting from your peers (I’m a few years older than you so I’m getting that shit these days too). It’s about doing your own thing while your friends are doing their thing and giving you shit for how you want to live your life and how most people’s lives are just garbage and they’ll try to force you to be like them lol

        There are very few overall cool positive guys who are actually doing shit with their life. The majority of people are just wasting their life. I can make a ton of friends in a few nights out, but I’d rather have one or two super high-quality buddies who are on my level of wanting to kill it in life, and I know those dudes are rare. They’re not going to be the guy who plays X-Box on a Saturday night and bitches about the job he hates over wings and beer as he gets fat and goes home to his fat wife who doesn’t put out lol

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 8:38 pm mas00

        I just feel like the older I get the harder it is to be able to meet “quality” people especially in LA where everyone thinks they are somebody and it’s really all the “somebodies” who act like they are nobodies.

        And all the social pressure shit get’s worse, and sargin on my own is a bit more difficult to do on my own especially at night.

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      • on January 27, 2015 at 9:08 pm John

        mas00 on January 27, 2015 at 8:38 pm
        “I just feel like the older I get the harder it is to be able to meet “quality” people especially in LA where everyone thinks they are somebody and it’s really all the “somebodies” who act like they are nobodies.

        And all the social pressure shit get’s worse, and sargin on my own is a bit more difficult to do on my own especially at night.”

        You’re not going to meet quality people trolling nightclubs alone in L.A. It’s all vanity and delusion. Common sense, man.
        Part of the reason people submit to that boring married lifestyle is because they don’t want to end up in your situation. Maybe out of fear, maybe wisdom, who knows. All you can do now is figure out who you really are and what you think might help you get through the day. It’s not easy.

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      • on January 28, 2015 at 7:04 am theasdgamer

        I’m a serious social dancer; I take group lessons and go to dance parties where I’m about dancing and not pickup (though one broad was all over me when we danced at a ball). I was very serious about the oxytocin problem I have that I got from dancing a lot with one woman. Every time I see this broad I get a drip of oxytocin. It’s a mind-fakker. Leads to Oneitis if unchecked.

        I dance maybe ten dances in one night once a week with this broad. She asks me sometimes and sometimes I ask her. It’s hard to not say ‘yes’ with this oxytocin crap in my system. And it’s hard to not ask her to dance. She has been into me for a few months, but less so with oxytocin messing with my brain. She dances with her favorite dance partners a lot, including me. She’s aware of the oxytocin effect that you can get from dancing and I’m sure that she uses it deliberately to feed her hypergamy and validation.

        I dance with other women, too, but not as much as this one broad. Maybe five dances at most with any of the other women.

        So, I wonder if there’s some way to mitigate the effects of oxytocin? Some behavior or psychological trick or over-the-counter drug?

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      • on January 28, 2015 at 9:04 am having a bad day

        @theasdgamer

        “So, I wonder if there’s some way to mitigate the effects of oxytocin? Some behavior or psychological trick or over-the-counter drug?”

        yes there is…it’s called “spin more plates”…lol…sooo, ONLY ask other girls to dance, and only dance with this ‘oneitis’ girl if she asks you (or only ask her one time per night, if you need to avoid appearing socially retarded…lol)…at least for a while (long enough to manage the oneitis…).

        the side benefit of this is that she will probably start to chase you harder…lol…

        good luck!

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      • on January 28, 2015 at 10:07 am theasdgamer

        habd, you’re correct–give Oneitis less attention–and of course I knew that. But she’ll ask me to dance multiple times in a row. When you’ve got a bond going, it’s hard to say ‘no’. And she is a good dancer and it feels good to hold her and she tucks herself into my side in certain dances instead of maintaining distance like some other women do, etc.

        I try to postpone dancing with Oneitis until later in the evening. Sometimes when she asks me to dance I say, “Maybe later.” And other women ask me if I’ve danced with her yet.

        Background:

        Oneitis has talked a little about her schlub husband–mostly weak praise. She seemed like she was mothering him on the dance floor a couple of nights when he was there. He’s not a good dancer.

        I saw her give me a wide-eyed look with the shy smile following several months ago. (Standard primate behavior when seeing a potential mate.) She’s into me. Wonder why I expect that she might be looking to branch swing; I’m sure that she has a couple of plates going. She’s almost my age and keeps herself very trim and looking very good for her age. She moves like someone half her age. Some sexual attraction on my end–more on hers, I think. Definitely bangable. But I have inhibitions against married broads. A little chasing is Ok, but I want the oxytocin gone. She probably is enjoying the oxytocin high she gets from dancing with me and women can deal with it very well anyway.

        Oneitis doesn’t want to chat on fb about dancing or whatever. Maybe due to fear about stuff that could be found by a divorce atty.

        A while back I did ask Oneitis to practice an advanced dance move with me where we would be isolated a couple of nights. We did so. I’m a little obsessed about dancing (I’m autistic, go figure) and didn’t escalate though there were lots of opportunities where my hands were “all over her”. She was b1tchy later in the evening–maybe because I didn’t escalate when there was opportunity and she was expecting it. (I had sent terse texts about meeting up to practice an advanced move which probably seemed PUAish and triggered her expectations that there would be escalation.)

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      • on January 29, 2015 at 7:39 am having a bad day

        @theasdgamer

        “I try to postpone dancing with Oneitis until later in the evening.”

        rethink this strategy…lol…you need to dance a lot with her EARLY in the evening, so you can get in your quota with her. Then, dance with other girls the rest of the night. that will help erase the chemical cocktail she induces…by replacing it…also, if you dance with her later in the evening, she has an expectation of ‘going home’ with you…at least subconsciously…

        “Oneitis has talked a little about her schlub husband–mostly weak praise. She seemed like she was mothering him on the dance floor a couple of nights when he was there. He’s not a good dancer.”

        …and you ARE a good dancer = her hypergamy is kicking in…lol…

        “Wonder why I expect that she might be looking to branch swing; I’m sure that she has a couple of plates going.”

        girls don’t usually ‘spin plates’…they might have a beta provider (or 3…lol), who they drip out ‘sex’ to, to maintain provisioning, but they usually only get sex from the most alpha male they can entice…(at that moment…lol) that’s hypergamy in play…

        “A while back I did ask Oneitis to practice an advanced dance move with me where we would be isolated a couple of nights. ”

        and if she agreed to be isolated, she wants to bang…at least her hindbrain does…lol…

        “We did so. I’m a little obsessed about dancing (I’m autistic, go figure) and didn’t escalate though there were lots of opportunities where my hands were “all over her”. She was b1tchy later in the evening–maybe because I didn’t escalate when there was opportunity and she was expecting it.”

        do ya think?…lol…good analysis…

        “(I had sent terse texts about meeting up to practice an advanced move which probably seemed PUAish and triggered her expectations that there would be escalation.)”

        ‘advanced move’ = PUA (and girl-speak on sub communication) for bang your brains out…lol…

        only 2 ways to get rid of that chemical hit when you’re around her – replace it (game other girls…) or work through it (bang her brains out…) even if you never see her again, your body will still be primed for her…men have hindbrains too…lol…

        good luck!

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      • on January 29, 2015 at 10:14 am theasdgamer

        @ habd

        rethink this strategy…lol…you need to dance a lot with her EARLY in the evening, so you can get in your quota with her.

        The quota will be one dance. Then comes the “Is there something wrong” question that leads to drama. Makes me queasy thinking about it. This happened once before when I told her I didn’t want to dance with her. I have some issues with her behavior sometimes. She was following me across the fakking dance floor as I was walking away from her.

        I’ll try deflecting the question with “Let’s talk another time. Meantime, be sweet, warm, and fun. Else, have a good evening.” If she persists, I’ll walk away toward the mgmt. and tell her to leave me alone in front of them.

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      • on January 29, 2015 at 2:50 pm having a bad day

        @theasdgamer

        “The quota will be one dance. Then comes the “Is there something wrong” question that leads to drama. Makes me queasy thinking about it.”

        that’s her running her beta provider algorithm on you…lol…your response to that should be…any drama = YOU take action and backturn her and talk to another girl…where’s that 25 yo hottie?…lol

        the correct answer to her question is a dismissive ‘no…why?’ like you truly don’t understand…lol…bc you shouldn’t have to explain why you want to dance with another girl…you just DO…that’s the alpha attitude…lol…it’s something you want, so you do that…and the ONLY reason that question makes you queasy is bc you are putting HER feelings first (over yours…). that’s straight up feminine imperative conditioning…it’s hard to get away from it isn’t it…lol

        she’ll respond with something like ‘but I want to dance with you…’ or ‘you should want to dance with ME…’ you should just shrug and move to the next girl…if you feel the need to justify it, just tell her that you like dancing with her but you want to dance with this other girl right now…but really, you don’t need to explain yourself…lol…

        “This happened once before when I told her I didn’t want to dance with her. I have some issues with her behavior sometimes. [bad behavior = back turn…unless you feel comfortable making fun of her ‘neediness’…but i’m guess not…if you do, don’t forget the smirk…lol] She was following me across the fakking dance floor as I was walking away from her.”

        she’ll get the hint after a couple of back turns…just take away your attention when she does something you don’t like…like trying to monopolize your dance card…let her follow you anywhere, just ignore her…the plus to you is her following you like a puppy is massive pre-selection within your dance group…

        one option i just thought of is that you can push some boundaries…lol…you can point her at some other guy and TELL her to dance with him…lol…that will keep her away from you and give you time to dance with whomever you want…the ‘down side’ is that it will give her massive tingles for you…lol…

        “I’ll try deflecting the question with “Let’s talk another time. Meantime, be sweet, warm, and fun. Else, have a good evening.” If she persists, I’ll walk away toward the mgmt. and tell her to leave me alone in front of them.”

        that will probably work…lol… but just understand that that attitude = her as the prize/in control…bc she is controlling the agenda (where YOUR attention/energy is focused)…also, that might burn that bridge…and if you are willing to burn the bridge, your better option is ‘polite indifference’…which is just the extreme version of the above actions…

        good luck!

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      • on January 29, 2015 at 2:55 pm having a bad day

        @theasdgamer

        got one stuck in the stack…

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      • on January 29, 2015 at 5:19 pm theasdgamer

        @ habd

        Was also gonna be sexually playful with this broad while dancing the one dance. “How can a woman who has had so many kids have such a skinny butt?” And “You asked me to dance so that I would chase your skinny butt all around the dance floor.” And “I know that you love having my hands all over you.” And “How many times have you thought about kissing me? Or playing fun and games with me?”

        The shiv later will be much more effective when I tell her no more dances unless she behaves like I want.

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      • on January 29, 2015 at 9:34 pm theasdgamer

        @ habd

        Thanks, great comment. Oxytocin is causing me to look at things from a beta perspective with respect to this broad. Your clear thinking helped a lot.

        one option i just thought of is that you can push some boundaries…lol…you can point her at some other guy and TELL her to dance with him…lol…that will keep her away from you and give you time to dance with whomever you want…the ‘down side’ is that it will give her massive tingles for you…lol…

        Excellent comment. I actually did this with a pretty stewardess I was dancing with. (She kept mentioning about her going to Cabo San Luca for 10 days. Not sure why–I just ignored it.) No reason not to do it with the oxytocin broad.

        Got a buxom redhead in the works to help minimize the oxytocin effects.

        In the end, oxytocin or not, pussy is just pussy. Helps keep things in perspective.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 4:05 pm theasdgamer

        @ yareally, habd

        Update. I danced one couples dance and one mixer with the oxytocin broad. She asked both times. Then she asked one more time and I said that I needed to rest. Then another woman came up asked me to dance and I said “Ok” because it was a special dance that is uncommon. There was a shiv from the refusal, though, and from not getting the previous level of attention.

        There weren’t many leads at the dance and Oxy ended up sitting quite a bit and left early. I was low on energy because of dieting and also left early and went to another bar.

        I wasn’t in a playful frame the whole night because of the stress from trying to avoid paying attention to Oxy, so I ended up not flirting with her during our one dance. It was still a success because I managed to keep to my main plan. She got plenty of shiv without the flirting adding in.

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  37. on January 26, 2015 at 3:05 pm theasdgamer

    Oh, my status has changed to unrestricted. I’m back in the game.

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  38. on January 27, 2015 at 10:49 am bo jangles

    This is ethnocentric, when I travel to third world countries, the men all lie so they can sleep with more women. The women tend to be more straight forward(they might even say men game by nature and women have to game to get what they want). Women have power that ends up making them miserable in this country..go grrrll.

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  39. on January 29, 2015 at 5:22 pm theasdgamer

    In dating someone for the first time in your social circle, how much advance notice should be given for a date during the week?

    Was gonna meet her with wine and share some with her at the start of the date, then kiss her “to prevent boring awkwardness and promote amiability.”

    NB: This is not the broad that has given me a case of oxytocin addiction.

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