Welcome to Asshole Game Week, the evil twin of Relationship Game Week, in which Tales of Tingles Torqued are told as a lesson for the benighted. A warning to those who are faint of heart or tiny of testicle: This would be a good week to avoid visits to the Chateau. Buzzfeeder bromides and self-fellating Millennial feels are only one short click away for you!
Reader Reservoir Tip fires a brood-blocked, hamster-shocked, money shot to start off the celebrations for this week-long pagan holiday:
Funny story for you all:
Last night, I ended up in a little bit of a dilemma. I had two girls scheduled to come over at the same time, mainly because I was expecting one of them to flake. To my surprise, she didn’t.
I thought about bringing them both in and trying for the threesome, but decided against it. As girl one walks into my place, girl two texts me saying she’s arrived. I text girl two back and tell her that “the shit hit the fan” and that I can’t join her tonight. She’s pissed, and rightly so, really. What I pulled was pretty low, and definitely rude.
Nothing puts a lady in the mood like innuendo rude of a woman number two.
Regardless, I’m sitting around with girl one, doing a simple movie at my place, but she ends up being kind of a bitch, and we split after about an hour and a make out.
I text girl two back, “hey come over now.”
She comes right over and i boink her.
If your value is high enough, and the girl is horny enough, she’ll do anything, apparently.
Asshole dicktum #1: Always keep two in the kitty.
Asshole dicktum #2: Don’t apologize for being an asshole.
Asshole dicktum #3: Chicks dig a man with options, especially options that are intriguingly implied.
Asshole dicktum #4: Few women can resist a man with a well-honed sexual entitlement complex.
Asshole dicktum #5: Act like a high value man, and women will believe you’re a high value man.
Tomorrow: Increase the voltage.
Assume the pussy.
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i have to consciously remember to, but it works
in phx for holidays, supposed to take a girl to a bar. family dinner goes too long, i’m far from my bags, so i thought i’d see what i could get away with. i call her, tell her i’m on my way but i forgot my wallet, and (the key, my case i think) i don’t apologize. i show up unshowered, in shorts, no id, her friends were planning to go out. i am cringing but i just shrug it off
she changes the bar to a local one where they won’t card, she buys apps and drinks and pool all night, and she takes me back home straight to bed for her roommates to listen in on.
i shouldn’t be surprised, but i always am
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[…] Asshole Game Week: Replacement Therapy […]
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Never heard the term sexual-entitlement before, but fits it to a T. I’ve banged 70-80 women (lost count) since I started expecting sex, and letting them know I expect sex. High value women too. Doctors, nurses, graduate students, etc.
It works. Chicks dig a playful, self-entitled man who knows what he wants.
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who said it didn’t work?
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The inexperienced young guys will think it doesn’t work.
It most certainly does. Try it. Ten times bet you will get kids 4-6 (even more, as you learn to master it)
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When you are a young guy, the guys that are getting laid are the ones whose GF’s thing OMG if I don’t do something for him (sex) he is going to leave because THE GUY puts out some expectation for sex.
The chumps that don’t put out any expectation of sex and expect it to JUST HAPPEN are the ones who get to wait for it. Brainwashing starts early.
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i was totally buying it until you said “Doctors, nurses…”
nurses are not high value. i’m sure there are exceptions but nurses tend to be the sluttiest, coldest, unfeeling bitches around. just sayin.
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[…] Asshole Game Week: Replacement Therapy […]
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This shit works. An inspirational tale:
My license was suspended and my car impounded after a high speed chase with the cops. I wanted to bang this chick i’d met while bartending, but she lived far, so I borrowed my girlfriend’s car while she was working, a Pontiac firebird. I took the chick to lunch then banged her in my girlfriends car, and wiped my cum off with the teddy bear I’d got her for valentines day.
I’m late getting back. Girlfriend is sitting out front of Safeway, waiting. She gets in the car, not even pissed, but happy. For some reason she grabs the fn teddy bear. “I love my teddy bear….Oh, it’s wet!”
“It’s cum.”
“Ewww…I love you.”
She still calls me when she’s horny to this very day. Too bad she got fat. All that ice cream she ate after I bailed on her.
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In the immortal words of a head-shaking Matt King: “No class.”
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I have a sneaking suspicion that this thread is not going to be one of the chateau’s finest hours. 😡
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the asshole game posts always bring out the worst in people. and the worst people. fitting.
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It’s not even like I’m going to disagree asshole game works, it’s just depressing being a shitty person is a successful mating strategy.
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> “I thought about bringing them both in and trying for the threesome, but decided against it.”
Bringing them both in and trying for the threesome would move you out of mere ass-hole-ishness and well down the path towards outright sociopathy. Jeffrey Epstein and Allen Dershowitz say, “Hi!”
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((SMH))
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Ahem.
((SMH))
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Sure she does. Since when do girls leave teddy bears in their pontiac firebirds?
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This story rates one rusty sheriffs’ badge….
How many women could tell stories of getting banged out by some other dude in their boyfriends car? How many boyfriends gave a hello kiss to some slut that 10 minutes earlier was sucking some other dudes cock?
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he said, he said.
for the record, it’s not unusual for girls to have stuffed animals, flowers, or other assorted feminine baubles littering the interiors of their cars.
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this is utterly epic in its assholery
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Could find the “up the voltage” line from this film, so I added another favorite scene. Chris Knight FTW!
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That was a great line. It’s the only movie I can think of that made a STEM guy look badass.
I’ve heard that MIT actually throws the best parties in Boston. It makes sense, if you think about it, because genius is genius.
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Don’t forget former NASA guy and novelist Homer Hickham and his semi-autobiographical novel made into the movie “October Sky” about several WVA coaltown boys and their obsession with building rockets. It upped their game.
“What’s unbelievable Homer, is the captain of the football team being jealous of YOU.”
Freaks and Geeks all the way.
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I always liked Kilmer, but he didn’t age well.
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It’s like he let himself go after Batman Forever.
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If texting and interacting after a moderate flake, for example, open ended “Can we do it next week [instead]”? do you guys just go radio silent? Do you make her absolutely tell you when at that point? Or do you make another attempt? I feel like “you tell me” is right line, but that may be seen as indecision. Anyway, thoughts?
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Might come as a surprise but I don’t even have any stories of my own for asshole week. I’ve seen a lot of guys do a lot of super fucked up shit over the years, but I generally treat my girls pretty good lol
hmm I guess some of my txts can seem assholish but like, that’s just txting, that’s no big deal compared to the stories people are gonna be sharing in this thread.
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(I’m a little bummed about it, I was all psyched to share some stories when I clicked the reply box and then I was like “…huh I can’t think of any” lol)
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Any asshole stories I’d share would be accidental, rather than deliberate.
I’m certain you have some stories where you behaved like an asshole but it wasn’t intentional.
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@JCclimber
Ya, it’s all relative probably. A lot of what I do now I would think was assholish when I was an AFC. And probably a lot of the stuff I think is fucked up would seem normal if I went down a particular road lol
Like Captain Obvious wrote “Bringing them both in and trying for the threesome would move you out of mere ass-hole-ishness and well down the path towards outright sociopathy.” but when I read the part about trying for the threesome I was like “yes, of course you would do that. Wait he decided NOT to?? wtf is wrong with this guy.” lol It didn’t even cross my mind that that would be an asshole thing to do. To me that’s just all 3 of us getting to have a fun adventure.
So who knows lol I think part of it is that I generally have good intent behind what I do. So I might do something that ends up being assholish, but that wasn’t my intention. VS some guys (especially Naturals and guys who were burned by girls and then found game and carry that little “I want revenge on these sluts” chip on the shoulder) who get off a bit on a little “haha look what I did to this bitch” excitement.
I’d attribute it to not having any experience with women till I found game. I never had an LTR in college that cheated on me or got burned in a divorce or had girls reject me in high school (because I was too shy/awkward to even try to date them and I was too much of a recluse to go to parties etc.), so when I found game it was just like “yay, now I get to be around these beautiful creatures this is all fun fun fun”
That history is also probably why I’m shallow and like my girls to dress up slutty for me and get done up doing their makeup and be kinky in bed and shit, ’cause all those years I wasn’t having normal healthy relationships with girls like other guys were, I was watching porn and learning to objectify women…but it turns out they LIKE being objectified so that’s worked out pretty well for me, suck it feminists. lol
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Well, you could always make shit up to fit in with everybody. And when I say fit in, I dont mean so youll have a story and feel included. I mean their stories are fiction.
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Ch maxim is: too much alpha is recoverable. Too much beta is not.
I have found that to be flase in field. Too much asshole/alpha can be equally difficult to recover.
Thoughts?
[CH: i have found what you found to be false.]
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@walky talky said: “Ch maxim is: too much alpha is recoverable. Too much beta is not.
I have found that to be flase in field. Too much asshole/alpha can be equally difficult to recover.
Thoughts?”
when you are upping the alpha, you are a hammer and everything looks like a nail, and you can push the alpha asshole bit too far early in an interaction with a stranger. especially if negging/sarcastic wit come naturally to you and you have a solid frame or when you clearly have higher value than the girl. It can be too much and turn off girls on the nicer end of the spectrum.
I’ve found calibration to be important. First calibrate to the environment. Clubs bring out more alpha girls who like going to clubs and they are more prone to need a firmer alpha touch early, whereas neighborhood bars, restaurants etc. bring out a wider variety of girls. Day game of course needs a lighter touch as well.
Calibrate to the set. You have much more leeway with a single and can edge into the interaction more slowly, feel it out more. In a double be alert for one of the girls to be snarky cockblocky and adjust. In a group keep your eyes open for the mother hen and edge into with more cocky funny than asshole and see if the dynamic is more group laughs than “who is this dude?” and again be prepared for the mother hen to be more aggressive.
Calibrate to the girl. Observe her manner, style of dress, tattoos or not, what she is drinking etc. How she is behaving is she loud or quiet with her group, is she the center of attention or on the edge etc? How does she react to your initial conversation, is her body language open to you or defensive, do her eyes light up etc. A relatively modestly dressed 7, with a ponytail and hipster glasses, no tats, sipping a glass of wine can be generally be approached softer initially than a heavily made up hard 8 in stilettos doing fireball shots.
I’ve been too alpha cocky in interactions and turned the temp down from hot to cold quickly, too much teasing, overgaming and sometimes the girl is really just a nice chill girl looking to make some conversation. Hard to re-engage after this. Again especially if you have more apparent value from the outset (you know people at the place, you get a lot of IOI’s etc., she gives an IOI right away etc.)
I’ve found it useful to throw out a cocky funny line but with a more deadpan delivery if you will and gauge reaction to that. I always get asked what I do and run the “bean farmer” routine. Girls that are more open/respond better to cocky funny more asshole laugh, get a thrill out of this, play along, protest etc.. Girls that take it seriously, Like “oh you are bean farmer that’s really interesting, how long have you been doing that” with no sarcasm, they are the nicer girls and you can tone down the rest of the interaction from there.
So throw out an early diagnostic test and calibrate off of that. I’m sure others can expand on this. I’ve found it is easier to turn up the heat from cold to hot then from hot to cold so to speak, like the dial on your range.
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@sentient
Thanks.
CALIBRATE is the thing. I do daygame exclusively and getting rid of antigame is big step forward. Throw in some social proof and V shaped torso and i am good to go. My biggest sticking point as of now is running out of things to talk about in convo and getting girls to invest in convo.
I left a reply for you on a recent post How to play the preselection game. Please check.
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@CH
Lol very funny.
Focus more on giving balanced advice instead of finding typos.
Athol kay has a brilliant quote – all red pill advice is alpha. All blue pill advice is beta. You need a sweet combination of both for best results.
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Yareally, Your posts are always so helpful and you are always positive even in the face of attacks. I need you as a personal mentor. I have been “this close” to banging several HB8s in the past year, but I usually eff it up by being too beta. I bet if I had an hour therapy session with you once a week for 2 months, I’d be slaying. I did okay (lucky game) in my 20s, have been with many true hotties when they were anywhere from 18 to 27, and now I have some handicaps (divorced with kids), but you would get me positive enough to overcome that.
I was trying to find something you said a while back about how just removing anti-game is like 95% of the battle. Like just SILENCE in text game instead of saying something anti-game.
I have tried and tried to “not play games” and show women that I can be “nice” but from a position of confidence, trying to lead them into just being cool without so many games, but I have finally concluded that you guys are right. There is no option for a man in today’s environment, if he wants a sex life, other than to learn and apply game. Hardcore too.
Even when I’m dealing with a 32yo single mom. Hot, but she’s got a son by another man…she does NOT mark herself down for that. In her mind she’s still a 28 year old hottie. One simply MUST game her using near-asshole level game, or poof she’s gone.
Yareally is right about everything. And your recent post explained it: you would not want a woman who does not shit test. Think about it. Any woman who is a 7 and above has been bombarded daily her entire adult life by beta chode creepers who disgust her. Any woman a man would want to have sex with (pretty enough) simply MUST shit test, for there are not enough hours in a day for her to sleep with every guy who hits on her.
I’m going to try baby steps. For the next month, when interacting with women, I’m going to try at all times to keep just ONE of yareally’s lessons in mind: a shit test is a good thing. it shows interest. it is an OPPORTUNITY to show that I “get it” and pass the test. It’s cute.
Just the other day I had a cool flirtation going from tinder. Had been totally cool, funny, she was flirty, then it got to:
Her: [said something like complimenting my pics or something like that]
Me: so are we gonna meet for coffee or what?
Her: lol Convince me.
(I ended up “unmatching” her, thinking “I’m the prize.” I was not all *that* into her, but she might have been cute enough.)
I should have just say “nah” or “lol”, right? She WANTED me to pass that test. It was a softball!!!
Instead, I got a bit of sadistic joy in thinking about her (a 7.5) on the other end getting unmatched–poof I’m gone. I’m sure that does not happen to her much. But that did me no good, if my only goal is to get laid. “I showed her” does not get me laid.
That’s the last time I’m going to make that mistake.
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@anon
I won’t be able to help you with shit. All the information you need is out there, you’ve probably even read it all, it’s just APPLYING it now and hours in-field. You said yourself that you’ve only just realized you can’t half-ass this shit and have to really apply it. All I can do is tell you to apply it, it’s up to you to actually stop when you get these tests and think “okay if I ignore my immediate butthurt emotional reaction, what’s the PROPER way to handle this, aligning with the rules of pickup I’ve read about?”
It’s like I have a buddy who runs on his emotions. And I used to give him tons of advice, but every fucking time I’d get a txt from him the next day where he was basically like “bro I did the exact thing we agreed last night that I shouldn’t do, it just happened I was so pissed off I just did it, you know? How do I fix this situation?” So I stopped giving him advice lol because it’s up to him to learn to handle his shit and learn to not to be so reactive and stick to the plan.
He makes excuses for it like “hey man I’m not an EMOTIONLESS ROBOT okay??” but that’s just bullshit code for “I don’t have any self-discipline” lol
“I have tried and tried to “not play games” and show women that I can be “nice” but from a position of confidence, trying to lead them into just being cool without so many games, but I have finally concluded that you guys are right. There is no option for a man in today’s environment, if he wants a sex life, other than to learn and apply game. Hardcore too.”
Yup. I would even say that in the past it was probably possible to just be a confident guy and land a decent chick. The world was different, the culture was different, technology (especially social media and txting and online dating) was different, etc.
But this is 2015. I make fun of guys because I don’t see any guy as actual competition for me because I’m fully delusional that way, but the reality is objectively speaking the competition has gotten tougher. Guys are now hitting the gym and boxing/martial arts classes regularly en masse because UFC started the whole “being jacked is cool” craze. Guys are learning bits and pieces of game even through shitty articles in Maxim or reading /r/TheRedPill on reddit, if not full out studying legit pickup. Guys care more about their grooming and style than they did in like the 80s. And on top of all that, guys have WAY more access to hot girls. One dude can spam 1000 hot girls on online sites and Instagram and Facebook and shit in a night, he doesn’t even need to leave his house.
And that’s just the guy’s side of things. On the flipside you have the women who, as discussed all over this blog, have validation pouring all over them day and night from all angles and have a warped assessment of their value because of it.
So ya, you don’t HAVE to learn game, or use it “hardcore”, but if you don’t you are putting yourself at a serious disadvantage. And really the game is FUN, it should be FUN to go flirt with girls and flirt over txts. I have a fucking smile all over my face when I’m txting a girl and she tries to shit-test me, it’s cute and funny to me that she thinks she can scare me off. I have a buddy coming up this weekend to sarge and we’re both pumped to head out with a good wingman and tear shit up at the bars, it’s going to be awesome. Are we going to get laid? I don’t know, probably but who cares, it’s going to be fun chatting girls up regardless.
“Yareally is right about everything.”
shhh, you’ll make my haters weep.
“Any woman a man would want to have sex with (pretty enough) simply MUST shit test, for there are not enough hours in a day for her to sleep with every guy who hits on her.”
Yup. Hot girls have to shit-test, it’s their way of quickly figuring out if you’re worth investing time in. You blow off homeless ppl begging for change and ppl trying to lecture you about saving the earth or sponsoring an ethiopian child when you walk down the street, it’s the same shit, you have places to go and shit to do you can’t engage everyone who wants to engage you…you find the ppl who are worth your time.
Most of these girls who guys run home butthurt crying about what bitches they were, are the sweetest girls in the fucking WORLD if you pass their shit-tests. And their shit-tests are designed for cool confident guys TO pass…those shit-tests are laughable to me, I don’t even view them as tests, they’re just play-fighting to me. Because I pass them effortlessly. To the butthurt newbie who’s all bitter about women and shit he calls them bitches and runs off (or deletes their number when they give him a minor shit-test, thinking they’re “I’m the prize, bitch can’t you see it?!”) because they expose him as still in “faking it” mode and it’s like having your halloween costume yanked off and the lights flipped on.
But you just stick at it and keep going out and eventually “fake it” becomes “make it” and you don’t really even think about this stuff. Your default response to it is to not take it seriously, which is the type of guy her shit-tests are designed to screen for, a guy who doesn’t take her or himself seriously.
“I’m going to try baby steps.”
It’s allllllllll baby steps. Even now I’m adding and tweaking different little things in my game and I have to be like “okay, for the next few months I’m going to focus on making seductive eye-contact with every girl I talk to until it becomes the default for me” and consciously work on it so that a year from now I just do it without thinking.
Like Tyler Durden says in Fight Club: “I say never be complete. I say stop being perfect.” Who cares if you aren’t your best yet? You’ll get there. The journey is fun. I meet guys all the time who get better results than me, but they’re usually lacking in other areas and I’m doing great considering how hardcase a newbie shut-in hermit I was growing up. My early 20s self would never be able to comprehend the adventures I’ve had lol I don’t care if other guys have done better than me, good on them, I’m happy for them. I’ll get there, I’m just baby-stepping my way through self-improvement until I reach my goals.
“Me: so are we gonna meet for coffee or what?
Her: lol Convince me.
(I ended up “unmatching” her, thinking “I’m the prize.” I was not all *that* into her, but she might have been cute enough.)”
Jesus. I see this mindset on TRP on reddit all the fucking time and it’s so retarded. It’s just ego-protection. It’s literally saying “I’m trying to be high-value and you’re fucking up my self image by trying to trip me up and my identity is SO fragile that I can’t bear to have ANYONE question it so instead of rolling with it and learning and growing, I’m going to not only eject to silence you to keep my ego protected, but I’m also going to be PROUD of this retarded mindset and build an identity around it and say that I’m the prize and I don’t play chick’s bullshit games, I Next those bitches who don’t get on board and try to play silly MIND-GAMES. Look what an alpha boss I am! I’m better than those pussy guys who supplicate to women playing their MIND-GAMES jumping through all their hoops just to get pussy. Now I’m gonna go lift weights and jack off to porn if I’m not doing a nofap challenge…but like, trust me bro, I get LAID man. By way hotter girls than you guys. You’re all try-hard faggots like those PUAs who are empty and dead inside and only think about pussy all day and get all their validation from women.”
It’s just stupid shit and I love that TRP exists and is spreading general PUA knowledge to normal guys, but I hate that it’s teaching and encouraging some bad mindsets that will end up holding guys back in the long-run.
Here’s how you handle this almost INSIGNIFICANT shit-test that you THREW AWAY a done-deal lay (she complimented your pics for god’s sake). These are just off the top of my head I’m not even putting any real thought into these:
Her: “lol Convince me.”
You: “way too soon for me to be sending you pics of my dick sorry.”
You: “pffft please, you were convinced the second you saw my pics. ;)”
You: “oh sorry, you got a busy night planned playing with your cats and watching romcoms? lol”
You: “but if I use all my charm on you NOW I won’t have any left to get you into bed later.”
You: “well you could just come over naked under a trenchcoat, but I figured coffee would be more acceptable.”
You: “I don’t know if you’re worth convincing yet…I haven’t seen you in a little black dress. Why are your pics all boring? Are you a nun? lol”
You: (oldschool PUA line) “lol now now it’s too early in our relationship for you to be playing hard to get.”
etc. etc. I could make these up all night lol, these aren’t even ones I personally use myself. Regardless, they aren’t magical words or anything, you gotta’ use whatever’s congruent to your vibe.
But the point is that all of these are:
1) not taking her seriously
2) not taking myself seriously
3) not taking her shit-test as ANYTHING to give a fuck about
4) not supplicating and giving her a straight answer (like ACTUALLY trying to convince her or sell myself in a serious way which I GUARANTEE a lot of Nice Guy types will do)
5) flirty and implying we’re going to hook up, or contain sexual innuendo, or assuming/implying that she’s attracted to me, etc.
All of this is just playing the flirt game with her and treating her shit-test as a chance to flirt and tease her and have some fun and build a fun vibe together.
But how did you react? Your ego cried all butthurt and you deleted her and then “I got a bit of sadistic joy in thinking about her (a 7.5) on the other end getting unmatched–poof I’m gone. I’m sure that does not happen to her much.”
Like you can do whatever you want…but I hope that was worth it when you were spanking it to porn that night lol ’cause you could’ve just lol’ed her super slow underhand-lob softball pitch across the plate and knocked it out of the park and had your dick wet and a girl squirming and orgasming all over your bed that night followed by regular sex from her for a few months while you mack other girls and who knows, maybe 3some her with other girls and shit.
But hey, you sure showed her. She probably went “lol he deleted me? what a crybaby lol oh well I have 40 other messages waiting for me”. lol
“But that did me no good, if my only goal is to get laid. “I showed her” does not get me laid.”
Yup. It’s not about “oh you have to supplicate to her and take all her abuse to get laid”. It’s about realizing what’s really “abuse” and what’s actually just “I’m still insecure about my progress on this self-improvement journey and I can’t handle a little teasing yet”.
Think of it like the fat or short or foreign guy who makes jokes about his height/weight/race. There’s the bitter angry type that overcompensates and gets pissed off if anyone teases him about his insecurity, and then there’s the type who lols and gives no fucks and jokes about it himself. Is that guy supplicating to people and letting them abuse him? No, he just doesn’t view it as abuse because he doesn’t take any of that seriously because he isn’t insecure.
My fav example is from Tyler where he says(paraphrased): “If I point at you (a guy with normal brown hair) and say “look at this guy’s blue hair, what a fucking loser with his shitty blue hair lol his blue hair looks retarded”, you’re going to give no fucks because you don’t HAVE blue hair. You’re not butthurt about it because I just seem silly to you. It wouldn’t affect your self-esteem in any way or make you sad. But now what are you INSECURE about? Did you get laid this weekend? No? What a fucking loser, you couldn’t even get laid? We’re in Vegas and you couldn’t get LAID?? Everyone gets laid in Vegas man, you’re at a pickup seminar and you couldn’t get fucking laid?? Look everyone, look at the virgin, what a loser! See THAT stings, doesn’t it? Because now I’m tapping into an insecurity you actually have. You’re not cool with being a virgin so that one fucks with your head and triggers your “fuck off Tyler” instincts”
When a girl shit-tests a guy and he reacts butt-hurt it’s because she’s poking at his alpha shell and it makes him instinctively worry that maybe he doesn’t come off as high value as he thought he did and makes him feel bad feels so he wants to get “revenge” on her like you did.
But it just comes from bad mindsets. The reason I’m “always so helpful and you are always positive even in the face of attacks” is because I don’t take anyone here seriously lol Do I care if trav777 is calling me a pussy? Or if Greg is dropping his moustache-twirling snide remarks? Not a single fuck is given lol I might debate or engage haters now and then if I have a point I want to make or think they’re open to learning something, but it’s like 5 year olds calling me a poopy-head. Why would that phase me at all? lol
Part of this is that I know I give good value to people, and when I run into that girl who tells me “convince me”, I KNOW that her getting to fuck me will be an amazing life experience for her because I’m so awesome, so I don’t take her “convince me” any more seriously than I’d take someone saying “convince me to accept that 1 million dollar check”. Like how absurd would it be if you tried to give someone a million dollars and they were like “convince me”. You would lol at how silly that is. That’s me with shit-tests and insults.
Keep in mind that all of these mindsets and beliefs were built over time, through reading/watching pickup and self-help stuff, and applying it (I had to do a bunch of Positivity Challenges to get over my formerly negative/cynical/pessimistic world view, I watch Tyler’s The Blueprint like once a year (it’s heavy, don’t watch it if you’re a super n00b it’ll fuck your head up for a few weeks/months lol) I watch lots of self-help vids from general (Tony Robbins type shit) to pickup related (any company not just RSD lol even obscure dudes with like 50 followers, I don’t care as long as the info is good/useful lol), and pretty much everything RSD puts out ’cause they go into a lot of internal stuff, I read blogs and red pill stuff, MGTOW/MRA shit, hell I even lurk on roosh’s forum now and then lol etc. etc. etc.) Like, it’s not just “oh YaReally is lucky he was born as a positive extrovert” lol That’s not the case at all. I’ve worked hard on myself and I hyperfocused for a few years on this stuff, eating breathing and sleeping it. I’m naturally an introvert, even my buddies are surprised when they find out how introverted I am in my personal free time.
So you can do this too, anyone can. You just have to apply this shit regularly, that’s all. To badly paraphrase Fight Club: Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. You’re not going to be fixed in a seminar, this isn’t some weekend retreat, this is your life and it’s ending one minute at a time. Don’t waste it on negative bullshit and mindsets that don’t help you achieve your goals…and more importantly, figure out what your goals ARE. 😉
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Why would you want a 32 yr old single mom? For a one off fuck? And where would you meet this worthless creature? A bar?
Fuck..hang out near a college.
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@Ya, epic post as usual. You are the boss. Thanks.
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> “compared to the stories people are gonna be sharing in this thread”
My impression of the Manosphere and the greater Dark Enlightenment is that it comprises a bunch of Nice Guys who got tired of Always Finishing Last and who woke up and smelled the coffee [== “swallowed the Red Pill”] and swore to themselves, “Fuck that finishing last shit!” But deep down inside [deep within our innermost heart of hearts] we’re still fundamentally Nice Guys, and we know damned well [no pun intended] precisely what will happen if we allow The Darkness to infest our innermost heart of hearts.
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“Nice” is the real N-word.
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My impression of the Manosphere and the greater Dark Enlightenment is that it comprises a bunch of Nice Guys who got tired of Always Finishing Last and who woke up and smelled the coffee [== “swallowed the Red Pill”] and swore to themselves, “Fuck that finishing last shit!”
My impression is that it consists of a lot of Natural Assholes who for whatever reason have been forced to suppress their natural assholery and become acceptable Nice Guys.
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I would say the majority of guys here are pretty typical on the ‘Dark Triad’ bell curve. They have a healthy amount innate Machiavellian capability, and a healthy amount of altruism, but their Machiavellian side was being artificially suppressed by hive mind propaganda and garbage parenting.
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I just don’t get that feeling from the overwhelming majority of the guys here at the Chateau – I feel like most of us are trying to “Fake it til you make it” when it comes to the sociopathy, but that deep down inside, we know damned well where true socipathy would lead us. Which is not to imply that the methods of the sociopath don’t work – we all know that those methods are just about 100% effective in just about 100% of all possible scenarios. But I feel like most of us can still hear our consciences nagging at us in the background.
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Real sociopath = would enjoy or at least be unmoved by setting a puppy on fire. Doubtful many here or anywhere fit the description.
[CH: people often conflate sociopathy and psychopathy. the latter is much rarer, and much more dangerous to civil society. even among clinical psychopaths, only a small percentage cross the line to animal torture and human murder. i’d have to agree that the tacit reason for animal cruelty laws is to screen for psychos with a dark future as freddy krueger wannabes.]
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Substitute Muslim, nigger, or SJW for “puppy” and I think you’re recognize a few here.
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> “Doubtful many here or anywhere fit the description.”
Do not kid yourself: With YKW-led destruction of Christianity and Western Civilization, sociopathic behaviors are on the rise everywhere [but particularly on The Left]. As are Borderline temper tantrums, Narcissistic self-worship, Histrionic displays of pornographic excess, etc etc etc. The wrath of Cluster B is all unfolding exacty as designed in the master plan of the Oscar Mayer Wiener Academy.
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Difference is, a real psycho doesn’t fear social consequences “naturally”, it just never went to his mind. His conscience is clean, he never used it!
A normal, feeling human beeing has to work on this fearlessness and yes, you have to wreck some illusions. Not everything’s black and white. A lot of comfortable lies have to be crushed in the coming years anyway.
But with fearlessness comes power and if you believe in anything at all, responsibility.
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> “if you believe in anything at all, responsibility”
The problem is that the Oscar Mayer Wiener Academy [which now controls just about 100% of all media and all formal edumakashun establishments, to include “Common Core”] has been working for about a century now to convince our people to believe in nothing whatsoever. And the Left end of the bell curve [which is always at the greatest danger for fostering Cluster B] has swallowed the bait, hook line and sinker.
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..and those with antisocial and paranoid personality traits ( obvious from the race hate stuff that is so correlated with “Red Pill” associated posting.)
You’re projecting your nice guy self onto a group of people that includes both them and people who simply can’t connect through preference or inability.
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ah…asshole stories.
LOL. Worst was when the Russian came over and i was fucking the virgin 18 year old and she stood outside the window watching and I bailed out the back door while she was banging on the front.
i canceled on my gf this weekend, well she thinks she’s my gf, to go out with another chick. But then i met my gf last night bc i was horny and banged her outdoors in a parking lot. I got a ho to drive over in a big snowstorm. Have had to hide shit at various times and I don’t wash the sheets from one night to the next lol. Or the pillows. Or the long hairs of other colors in the tub. Hell, i have had hoez put tampons in the trash and i just leave them there. Random toothbrushes, hair shit, one girl left some fake eyelashes. Got a boarding pass on the end table with another girl’s name on it. Was gonna go see a girl in brazil so i fked this Mexican au pair, then had an overnight with some milf, then flew to brazil.
I really just DGAF lol, that’s my biggest problem.
When i was a teenager, these bitches were vexing me so i threw them out in the rain in the middle of the night…like a 2 mile walk back to their hotel and they were from out of town lol. Or maybe i was 21, who the fk can remember?
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Stop qualifying yourself to us, faggot
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^^^^^^ COTW
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Stop qualifying. You are making the betas jealous and it hurts them.
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Your website don’t work no more YaReally.
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That speaks more about your game ability that you can still have it without being a fucked up person. You should feel proud.
Or maybe the girls you choose are of higher caliber and wouldn’t stick around with a fucked up person because they have so many other options.
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@walky talky said “I do daygame exclusively and getting rid of antigame is big step forward. Throw in some social proof and V shaped torso and i am good to go. My biggest sticking point as of now is running out of things to talk about in convo and getting girls to invest in convo.”
I would ask what your intent is with daygame. Are these initial pick ups or day2’s? Escalating via daygame pick ups is very hard for a variety of factors, it’s possible (have done to makeouts) but catching someone in the middle of a random day and just logistically getting it to work is going to blow you out nearly all the time anyway. So maybe examine why you aren’t doing night game.
As to running out of things to say I am with you on that. That’s why I stick to a fast escalation. Get the vibe going, get the bubble going, close space and start the kino. If you can do this in 20 minutes you will never run out of things to say. Sitting in a coffee shop for 1 1/2 hours chewing the breeze, I would have nothing really left, lose engagement. So if I were you I would try spiking attraction earlier and kino earlier. I’ve had a lot of success with confident “boyfriend posture” kino, if I can get my hands on her, probably 80% success rate (that’s night game mostly though too). shit I am getting wired to the point of if an attractive girl is within reach and I can get a slight vibe going it’s like I cant start to pull her in.
It’s weird to think that because I remember the absolutely sickening feeling a few years ago, putting conscious “game” into practice of thinking “ok, kino time. I am reaching out and going to lightly touch her forearm as I make this point” and my stomach would be in a not and I’m sure my subcomms were all fucking weird [terror! You will get slapped etc.]. and now I a like “hey” take hand, pull in arms on waist “what’s up” like I’ve dated her for a year. really it’s almost impossible to not do it. IDK maybe I am in just a hot phase after multiple successes in a row. But my subcoms are just like “hmmmm you are a pretty flower, come over here grrrrrr, that’s nice”…
FWIW
Paul Janka postulates he gets the same benefit in a 2 minute interaction via daygame as in a 10 minute interaction and the longer it goes the lower the returns/chances for screw ups. maybe you can do a quick spike of attraction, get the number and transition to night game, which is far more tilted in your favor IMO.
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ed: it’s like I cant NOT start to pull her in.
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@Walky Talky said:”
This is in a daygame venue. Say a college. Sometimes she isolates and makes herself approachable. Other times she is distant and cold. So my main concern is its moving at a very slow speed. I live in a conservative culture.
Plus any advice on how to deal if she is eyeing someone else who is good looking. They havent talked yet.
Ignore it or call her out on it in some way. Im in initial stages of courtship.”
Hard to say when you mention “conservative culture” this Yemen?
Basic stuff, flirt, tease, a&a, set meet up, meet, flirt, tease, vibe, kino etc…
“hey you checking out that dude, he your boyfriend? No? I can totally hook you up with him. You would have beautiful babies… [she will protest] Oh OK. cool, well let’s you and I grab a drink at X at 9PM.” Etc.
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Thanks for the advice.
Im from India.
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Haha.
“the shit hit the fan”
Maybe it’s a little conceited to laugh so hard at my own words, but I laughed my ass off at that.
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Asshole dicktum #1: Always keep two in the kitty.
I would say, “at least” two in the kitty. More than once I’ve found that when it rains, it pours – so I like to have three in my core group that I can depend upon to meet my needs. Of course, I have others in the wings that I can move up when one of my core women flake – or decide that it’s time for “more” – read that as they click over the 25 limit. That is when women tend to start moving from wanting to f**k anything that turns them on, to wanting to squeeze out a kid or two. That’s when I punt – or they do… Either way – it’s time to find another woman for fun-times.
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Speaking of the evil twins of asshole game and relationship week, I browsed some old posts linked in the original post and came across THIS ancient comment of mine, which was very nice to read five years later.
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About a year ago, after voraciously clicking through all of the glorious Chateau’s game posts I decided to up my asshole game with a hot 20-something (I’m 41) half-black acrobat (blackrobat) chick I had just won over with my new arrogant & sexually entitled persona.
At that time, I had seen enough results to know that CH precepts were effective, though felt like that there were levels of assholeness that created counterproductive results. So I was, like, 95% convinced.
Anyway. This chick was part of an aerial acrobatic (Cirque de Soleil shit) school & invited me to her Winter show. Bought me tickets, introduced me to her friends, made a big production out of it.
Halfway through the show, for no other reason than to be a dick, I got up & walked out.
Twenty minutes later, I got a text:
Her: Did you really leave?
I waited a good 10-15 minutes before replying.
Me: Meeting some friends for drinks
Three minutes later, I realized that it was literally impossible to be too big an asshole for women when I got this text:
Her: When are you going to be home? I am going to rock your world tonight.
That night, with the help of some coconut oil from my kitchen I experienced every orifice of that dusky beauty. Color me 100% convinced now. Asshole game works.
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COTW candidate here.
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No matter how many times I hear it, or see it, I still find it hard to believe.
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The red pill is bitter indeed.
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“I realized that it was literally impossible to be too big an asshole for [some] women”
In my alpha phase during college..Almost closing time. Girl comes and asks me to dance. No thanks, I’m resting.
She comes back and says she will buy me a drink. No thanks, I’ve had enough.
She comes back again and says “Let’s go get something to eat then”. No thanks, no money. she says “I’ll pay”… Hmmmm OK I am a little hungry.
She says can you drive I don’t have a car. grrr. OK. Go eat. Go back to my place sex 2x… she says ” I love you”. WTF?! I say “you need to go”. she asks for a ride home. “Nope, grab a cab”. show her the door.
See her the next weekend at the same place, she came over to me. I looked past her like we never met. I can still see her open jaw looking at me as I walked away.
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@hosswire context is everything and it has to look natural. If it looks like you’re trying to be an asshole…then you are an asshole.
If it’s done with a kind of amused mastery: “meeting friends for drinks”
I’ve done this with mixed results. Looking back, the times I did it wondering if there was a reply…there wasn’t.
When I did it NOT caring…or calculating it more strategically…I got the “rock your world” text.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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“Act like a high value man, and women will believe you’re a high value man.”
Truer words were never spoken.
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Used to see a vegan girl. We’d go out, I’d get steak, as raw as I could stand it. She’d eat a salad. I’d tease her mercilessly about how that was unhealthy, she needed to eat some meat, and would usually have a little blood / steak juice running out of the side of my mouth just to make a point. Then we’d go to my place and bang, which she loved. Then afterward she’d cry, probably because I was a fucking asshole and she hated me but she couldn’t find it in herself to ditch me. Then we’d go out again a few days later and wash, rinse, repeat. It’s possible I made her hate herself for life and some poor bastard is married to her now and can’t understand what in the hell is wrong with her.
Not proud of that episode, but it illustrates a lot of the headshaking points about so many women liking to be treated somewhat badly.
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A buddy of mine put it so well:
“I kind of feel sorry for women. Imagine if you could only get a hard-on when someone was mean to you.”
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Most droll.
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Comments that restore my faith in humanity: on Youtube under a seventies through early nineties song, when someone writes a version of “great song; I’m xx-teen years old and today’s music sucks in comparison.”
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUiPmHA7Xqg there have got to be fascinating game analogies in this video
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CH,
You’ve got to see this new 20 min preview of documentary The End Game:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SslsWNt4bWo
Best thing I’ve seen in while….wow
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And women who cheat aren’t assholes lol
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Reservoir Tip,
Those are problems you want. I’m not joking.
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Worked at a restaurant, friends of chic coworkers come in and I ask coworker chic about one of the friends. Tell coworker chic to bring friend to the after work get-together at my place. Anyway, between that point and the party I decide I want different chic. I tell my roommates to keep the chic I asked about away from me. Couple hours into party I had too much booze and left to puke in bathroom that was off my bedroom. Puked guts out. I open door and head to my bed and there’s the first chic. She is crazy for me. We bang. Turns out, roommates thought it would be funny to tell her all night how I was too shy to come (heh) on to her. Best part is, few nights later, same basic scenario happens but with different chic and no alcohol sickness. Ahh, those hilarious roommates… Cheers.
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Save the staged n1663r bullshit for the Apollo Club, dweeb.
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Jealous beta nigger bullshit
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“Asshole dicktum #5: Act like a high value man, and women will believe you’re a high value man.”
Acting like a high value man is far, far easier when you actually ARE a high value man.
[CH: sure, but acting like a high value man and reaping the rewards will eventually make a man high value. also, keep in mind that there are conventionally high value men who don’t act high value around women.]
Acting like a high value man without much to back it up with might get you some poon from time to time but nowhere near like being a high value man.
[‘create it till you make it’ means that the sum total of all your “makes” will create a new you.]
A man’s high value is often demonstrated implicitly and through the sub-communication of his looks/physique/SMV; his job/money; his car, the way he dresses, his house/apartment, his confidence in himself, awareness of his value and how to leverage it.
[you forgot the most important: his charisma, ie his personality. btw, i wouldn’t include car in that list. cf: elliot roger.]
Of course, ALL of this is context driven.
Just my 5 cents worth.
[some of the world’s most “made men” spent years exaggerating their status.]
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@Mean Mr. Mustard
I agree with this ““Asshole dicktum #5: Act like a high value man, and women will believe you’re a high value man.”
Acting like a high value man is far, far easier when you actually ARE a high value man.”
But this part I take issue with “his looks/physique/SMV; his job/money; his car, the way he dresses, his house/apartment”
High value is really only communicated through your attitude, your frame. You can be penniless, poorly dressed, no home and overweight but still be super confident in yourself, your value, not validation seeking and really be dynamic, passionate and authentic. THAT is displaying high value.
The other stuff (clothes, job money, physique, etc.) are just stage props most guys like to believe in, because they can be obtained via $$$ and some time in the gym, so appear obtainable to most.
“confidence in himself, awareness of his value” – this it it. Achieve this and you will have unbeatable high value.
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““confidence in himself, awareness of his value” – this it it. Achieve this and you will have unbeatable high value.”
Yup. If you don’t like who you are, why expect anyone else to, let alone spend time with you.
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This reminds me of an interview I heard from Malcolm Gladwell, talking about his book, David & Goliath, in reference to people with dyslexia and their desire to become successful. He mentioned that one of the first things they do is look for the smart kid in class and befriend them. He framed this as those with a disadvantage (dyslexia) will find any means they can to overcome this weakness. He touched on the fact that one way people with this condition manage to succeed in school is by “cheating.” He elaborates more in the book, but in the interview succinctly described it as cheating not in spite of learning, but cheating in order to advance themselves. In other words, they weren’t cheating because the loathed school and were too lazy to do the work, rather, cheating was a way to advance to further themselves.
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Nothing adds personal value like being able to look yourself in the mirror each morning… and knowing you don’t stink to the nostrils of God.
Honor is a gift a man gives to himself.
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Detox the buttox
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You can usurp the schtick of GasButtox, toots… he’s made it his for all time, and all others are lightning bugs to his lightning.
However, one can pay homage to GBFM and give your attempt a hearty lzlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlozlozlozlozlozlozlozl
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Women look for high value because they at least sense if not know that external value is the only way most men can give themselves permission to act like a man capable of sexing her because society approves. It’s those one percenters whom have no anxiety over what the greater good is who will naturally fuck a 10 and leave her in a quandary as to why she keeps sleeping with losers who use her.
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What about if the girl post-wall age, looking to settle, is maybe a 6 at best? Will she settle with some guy who’s stable, has a good personality, is sociable, yet still lives at home into his early 30s, if she hears that clock thumping like crazy and all her friends are already hitched or engaged? And will she stay with him when she’s the main bread winner as a doctor and her hubby’s unemployed?
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A little more than a year ago the real American Sniper, Chris Kyle, received the equivalent of a State Funeral in Texas. That required a 200 mile procession from his place of death to the State Cemetary in Austin. The procession was led by at least one or two large DPS/Ranger patrol cars in full blinking Regalia followed by around 100 large Harley Davidson motorcycles. All the riders were in uniforms. About half were in law-enforce uniforms. The rest wore tatoos for their uniforms. Everyone knew that Kyle would have gotten the joke.
There was a lot of construction being done on Interstate Highway 35 back then. So, all the construction cranes by the roadway were set in a bowing-down angle towards the road; many with righteous American flags flying rampant. As respect. These simple folk earnestly wanted to make a simple point.
He was an American Sniper, good at Protecting America.
God be praised.
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“He was an American Sniper, good at Protecting America.”
He was a sociopathic cunt that murdered innocent foreign patriots in a war of aggression for the benefit of transnational elites.
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Ho – troll much?
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Let’s not go overboard… he probably wasn’t sociopathic, and definitely not a cunt… and maybe that “innocent” thing is a stretch…
… but all the rest is pretty much true.
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Edward Snowden did a lot more for good for Americans than individually brave but misdirected soldiers in foreign wars.
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Assuming he’s not part of the plan.
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Nothing to add, Rum, but to mention that your posts are always worthwhile.
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protecting us from what? None of the people he killed were any threat to the homeland. They were a threat to our army which was invading a sovereign nation for literally no reason or reasons which were outright lies.
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If he were “good at protecting America”, he would have actually BEEN atop the Superdome, killing looters.
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For those who don’t know what I’m referencing, he claimed to have done this… along with some other things that have been proved to be boldface lies.
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Hahahaha. Chris Kyle was a giant liar, and posthumously lost a defamation suit against Jesse Ventura. Oh yeah, and he killed a bunch of people, for Murican freedom. Glad you are enjoying the neocunt shillery.
http://mpmacting.com/blog/2014/7/19/truth-justice-and-the-curious-case-of-chris-kyle
[CH: kyle fought for a lying neocon cause, but as an individual he was a great guy to have on your side.
so yes, it’s ok to salute the man.]
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Hollyweird is always historically accurate.
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So, well Edward Snowden’s film be entitled, “American Snooper?”
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LOL
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[…] Asshole Game Week: Replacement Therapy | Chateau Heartiste […]
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Lol country girls are all sluts and lol yareally is an attention whore
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Hi
I can share a story. Happened about a month ago.
new to red pill (only 1.5 years), I’m currently having 3 concubines (yes, one should use this title when having mLTR).
#1 is a 7 on a good day. However, she loves spanking and can be submissive as hell. One time we were at my place, and she started talking shit about me having other girls. We were in bed, taking a break from banging.
I got up, asked her to get dressed so I can take her home. I still did not finish at the time.
She became annoyed, try to convince me that I’m too “short tempered” (Not even close…).
I told her that either she shuts up, or she is going home. She ask forgiveness and we continued untill I finished.
So, I guess I was following Asshole dicktum #1, #2, #3 and #5
I’m still banging her and the others, while trying to enlarge (ha!) my harem.
The male brain
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Napoleon dynamite pick up
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IDtnwb0aRTo
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stone cold steve austin asshole game lol
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skip to 5.55
whole video is hilarious tho
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Tribe continues assault on the traditional family:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/25/technology/polyamory-silicon-valley/
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Every… fucking… time.
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yep
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Hey I bet you don’t turn down the money when you install HVAC in a Jew’s house.
In other news on hypocrisy, don’t tell you wife about us. She she won’t tell you about me and her,;-)
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That Asshole Game label is quite ironic to me because when I first found this site (as a blue piller), I blew this site off because I thought it was just a bunch of “asshole tactics.” Only when I read the Relationship Game Week post about Dave from Hawaii did GAME finally click for me. I was like Neo – so close to understanding it fully, but just far enough away to be agitated by the unknowing. That’s why I’ve said it many times and I’ll say it again now – Put a link to that post in your navigation menu with a “Start Here” link. Whenever a blue piller expresses his desire to improve his relationship, I send that link.
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YaReally, Sentient, Having a Bad Day, walawala and others.
Entertaining online dating email exchange of the day for you. She’s a 6.5 37 year old (couple years older than me and maybe a point below in looks – more if you count career etc).
I really DGAF – I have 10-12 other online girls in the cycle including much younger and hotter ones, but this exchange was actually fun in playing with her shit tests. When I opened the last message I had this mental image of a basketball right on the rim – not knowing if it was going to be in or out..:)
Not sure where I made the mistake (if any) actually – the only thing I could think of was that I should have waited for a high point before pitching the drink..but we’d already been chatting longer on the dating site than I like.
I debated replying with a LOL to the last message but decided to just ignore it..
—Obv my opener is based on the fact that she’d checked out my profile but not messaged——-
ME: Hey you..you know you have to say hello when you check me out right? Those are the rules round here..:)
HER: Don’t Hey me!
ME: Lol. Hey cheeky lady..how are the weird guys on here treating you today? Other than me of course..:) [THANKS YAREALLY – THIS IS FROM AN OLD POST OF YOURS – STANDARD NOW FOR ME]
HER: Your very cocksure of your self, and it doesn’t go with your looks. Seems a bit staged.
ME: Heh. Yup, a face that scares small children..that’s me. But I have large assets elsewhere to make up for it 🙂
HER: Lovely, boy you must get em,
ME: The girls on this site are cool, but some of them are crazy when I meet them..you’re not one of the crazy ones are you? 🙂
HER: Nothing crazy about me it’s you i am concerned about,
ME: I want proof of that. let’s meet for drinks (somewhere nice and public just in case :)) and take things from there (when I’m back from a work trip).
HER: Your a funking nutter?
—-
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Write shorter texts and stop using emoticons so much. Start from there. I think she said it seems staged because of you starting with lol and ending with 🙂 and you shouldn’t have said other than me, I think. This being said on your 2nd reply, you shouldn’t have said that you have other ‘large assets’. You should have accused her of being shallow and tell her that you might have other things going for you than your looks. OR you could have outright teased her about cheeky lady being actually grumpy lady/no fun lady/boring lady/whatever you think would be good to call her lady.
It’s just funny to me how full of shit she is considering she’s 37 6.5.
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@CS
“Entertaining online dating email exchange of the day for you. She’s a 6.5 37 year old (couple years older than me and maybe a point below in looks – more if you count career etc).”
this is where you made your first mistake…lol…and she probably knows it, too…but cougar action can be fun…lol…
“I really DGAF – I have 10-12 other online girls in the cycle including much younger and hotter ones, but this exchange was actually fun in playing with her shit tests. When I opened the last message I had this mental image of a basketball right on the rim – not knowing if it was going to be in or out..:)”
where’s the last message?…all i saw was another shit test…the question mark = shit test…she wants you to stay engaged…
“Not sure where I made the mistake (if any) actually – the only thing I could think of was that I should have waited for a high point before pitching the drink..but we’d already been chatting longer on the dating site than I like.”
chatting too long = mistake…also, you are too invested in her = too much effort (longer texts than she is giving back) = beta…lol, even 37 yo 6’s don’t like them betas…but that might not be a big deal…she is 37 yo after all…lol…and given that last shit test, it’s probably not a big deal. you have to remember that most girls (especially 37 yo…) have to deal with betas and the 7 boring interview questions…even just a little playful flirting gets you some good attention…and tingles…
“I debated replying with a LOL to the last message but decided to just ignore it..”
you could still recover…if you want to…just send the ‘lol’ and tell her to meet you for a drink/coffee/etc…or agree and amplify…but that’s just a calibration issue…i haven’t seen her profile…or tell her to send a naked pic and see what happens…lol…
“—Obv my opener is based on the fact that she’d checked out my profile but not messaged——-
ME: Hey you..you know you have to say hello when you check me out right? Those are the rules round here..:)
HER: Don’t Hey me! [shit test]
ME: Lol. Hey cheeky lady..how are the weird guys on here treating you today? Other than me of course..:) [THANKS YAREALLY – THIS IS FROM AN OLD POST OF YOURS – STANDARD NOW FOR ME]
HER: Your very cocksure of your self, and it doesn’t go with your looks. Seems a bit staged. [shit test…with more ‘investment’ on her part = you’re passing just fine…]
ME: Heh. Yup, a face that scares small children..that’s me. But I have large assets elsewhere to make up for it 🙂
HER: Lovely, boy you must get em, [shit test]
ME: The girls on this site are cool, but some of them are crazy when I meet them..you’re not one of the crazy ones are you? 🙂
HER: Nothing crazy about me it’s you i am concerned about, [shit test]
ME: I want proof of that. let’s meet for drinks (somewhere nice and public just in case :)) and take things from there (when I’m back from a work trip).
HER: Your a funking nutter? [shit test]
—-”
like i said above, you can still turn this around. girls don’t shit test men if they’re not interested…but she set you up to ‘go (more) sexual’ at ‘boy you must get em’ and you missed the hint…then swerved around it and back into game mode…lol…
HER: Lovely, boy you must get em, [shit test]
ME: yep [note the over-confidence…lol…and the implied sex…and how it limits the impression of you ‘investing’ in her…then continue with:]
ME: The girls on this site are cool, but some of them are crazy when I meet them..you’re not one of the crazy ones are you? 🙂
…
i always recommend to play situs out…especially favorable ones like this…lol…it’s the best place to learn…so, ping her back and meet for drinks…
good luck!
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@Culum
A few points. Your opener: ME: Hey you..you know you have to say hello when you check me out right? Those are the rules round here..:)
Too common. For a 6.5 sure she’ll take what she can get, but you can see even her sense of entitlement and defensiveness.
My opener when someone checks out my profile is:
“You look like trouble…”
That immediately sexualizes it, gets her questioning why and I take it from there.
Also, you’re over-gaming a 6.5 and she’s shit-testing you right away. You need to be a bigger dick because it’s online game and she’s a 6.5
HER: Your very cocksure of your self, and it doesn’t go with your looks. Seems a bit staged.
You: Cocksure? Watch your language, don’t make me send you to the naughty corner.
Variations of that always get me numbers and from there I escalate.
You have to be clear in your strategy and get to the point sooner: 1) weed out the time wasters 2) make your intentions clear 3) ask for her number
The whole interaction with this girl from the start was you trying too hard.
I would have dropped this after the “Cocksure” line and if she was still myeh…I’d leave it. If you do that, half the time the girl will re-enage. if she doesn’t who cares.
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@Walawala – just saw your reply – the trouble line is great- I use it a lot to open (except when she checks me out then I use the other one).
I AM overgaming her you’re right. Normally I’d have left it but I’m just running with it for fun to see where I can take it..a genuinely attractive girl would have stopped replying by now, but she hasn’t..
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@Culum a 28 year old girl I’m gaming online—and from her photos attractive—tried this same thing on me.
I’ve just been running banter on her all the way through. She sends me a selfie of her in some sexy neglige.
Me: Won’t stay on long
Her: If you think I’m here just for casual hook ups you have the wrong girl mister. I’m deleting you
Me: Oh well, all that lingiere and passion gone to waste
Her: Treat me nice
Me: No
and on and on it goes. I’m still chatting with her. I’ve gone on holidays for 2 weeks and have been out of range but will re-engage.
The point here is just when she tries the “I’m deleting you”….I basically reply with some amused mastery and she continues engaging.
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@Culum, you should get used to accusing girls of vague things such as looking like trouble. It’s funny.
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Having a Bad Day – thank you. I figured asking if I was a fucking nutter was a good place to stop, but I hadn’t thought about the question mark.
Have replied with “LOL I will get out of the asylum to meet up..they won’t allow you into my padded cell”.
Let’s see what the response is although I fear I left it about 24 hours after the last message which may have hurt me..
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Culum – good luck here with this ““LOL I will get out of the asylum to meet up..they won’t allow you into my padded cell”.
I’ve had trouble with this type of reference when attraction has not been spiked yet, especially with lower value girls. Things like “i’ll take you back to my dungeon and you can find out or I’ll put you over my knee and spank you etc. just bombing. Overgaming, pushing too much. IMO.
The girl is not yet in the same place as you are so she is more apt to just think this is a weird kind of exchange and not a flirty sexual vibe. If she is teasing more, like show me in a playful way, yeah but you didn’t quite get there.
I think the part where she says “HER: Nothing crazy about me it’s you i am concerned about, [shit test]”
is begging for a bit more playful comfort, notwithstanding this is asshole week LOL. I like wala’s response, it’s a bit more playful and not pressing. Maybe if you went with something pinging off her “concern” for you, assuming the sale
YOU: Awww, see you are falling for me already.
Love to see others thoughts here.
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@CS
“Have replied with “LOL I will get out of the asylum to meet up..they won’t allow you into my padded cell”.”
this is just more beta bantering…are you consciously trying to seem beta to calibrate? or do you just really not want to meet up?…also, where’s the innuendo?…lol…
pushing the boundaries is how you learn…too alpha one way…too beta the other way…and it’s situ dependent and all about testing…make your predictions, take some action, observe the results, adjust, rinse and repeat…
YaReally has some good examples in his recent comments about pushing the boundaries to see how far he can go (in various ways) and still get the girl…that’s your model for learning to calibrate…and I wouldn’t recommend it if it didn’t track with my own experiences…it’s just science…lol…
sooo, what’s your goal with this girl?…always have a goal…your exchange seems kind of random…lack of focus = beta…this probably won’t hurt you with 37 yo milfs, but that 21 yo stripper with the natural DDs is a different story…lol…you’ll need your A game for her. and that lack of focus = beta tell …that hot girls pick up on…that’s like a shout out on a subcomm channel…
good luck!
…
and since this is asshole week…lol…here’s my very first asshole move into red pill reality…
i was in the pre-stages of a nasty divorce (ALMOST to the point of being served papers)…looking at losing my stuff, my kids, having to pay child support/alimony, dividing friends/family, hadn’t had sex in forever (or more…lol), etc…the full meal deal…it was BAD…and inevitable if things didn’t change…and i was looking for answers and had found the manosphere…
i was absorbing red pill knowledge through the chateau here and the other outposts of sanity, but i was still a ‘nice guy’…too afraid to make waves in the world bc something bad would happen (like i’d be killed = beta/omega attitude)…
so, the general advice i was ‘hearing’ at that time was to be more of an ‘asshole’…and that went against EVERYTHING i had ever been taught…about girls… and life in general…but i was desperate…
i was at a big box hardware store returning some stuff, but i didn’t have my receipt and was trying to get a new printout. the counter girl (about 20 yo, solid hb 7, slim/athletic, long dark hair, b cups) was helping me to find it. she wrote down the item number and was going through the process but wasn’t having any success (about 10 minutes). at the time i was thinking “i should be gaming this girl”…lol…but was toooo scared…and didn’t really know how…
eventually, when she couldn’t get the receipt to pop out, she figured out that she had written down the wrong number…and she said “well, that was stupid of me…” and i had my first bout of cognitive dissonance between what i normally would say and what was actually the ‘right’ thing to say.
i started to say “oh, no. that wasn’t stupid…” but i caught myself and CONSCIOUSLY said ‘yes, that WAS INCREDIBLY stupid…” (with no smile to show i was joking. i just gave her a blank stare (mostly bc i was terrified…lol…and it felt like i was going to get hit in the back of my head and be killed…) and observed what happened…)
she was kind of taken back…lol…BUT, by the time we got back to the counter and got it straighten out (took about 2 minutes) she had what i now know as ‘shiny eyes’…lol … and her pupils were dilated…lol…and even though i was still stuck in my blue pill ‘beta nature,’ i knew that her reaction was sexually receptive…lol…especially with the change in her body language and facial expressions towards me…lol…
that kind of stunned me, and i froze up/didn’t know what to do to follow up…so, i just left…lol…and i was thinking ‘wow, this asshole stuff really does work…”…lol…
it was definitely one of the many turning points/sign posts on my red pill journey…and if i can do it, anybody willing to put in the work can do it, too…
good luck!
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@HABD, continue this story!
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@newlyaloof
lol…there’s nothing more to it. i just left the store…i didn’t know what to do…it was “deer in the headlights” all the way…lol…but that’s where i started from…beta/omega/supplicating nice guy AFC chode…oh, and i was socially retarded (with asperger tendencies), too…lol…
as far as getting more game in general, it’s just baby steps all the way (like YaReally says…lol)…
the basic pattern is NOT a secret…
1) get into a situ (i.e. approach girl(s)…or anybody really…)
2) interact a bit (have a goal for the interaction = better opening, better body language, trying to get better at picking up social cues, better confidence, better eye contact…do you sense the theme here?…lol)
3) develop a course of action
4) make a prediction of your success (should work v. blown out…test ALL boundaries…to failure = expect to get blown out…and then push it farther when you DON’T…lol…and try to recover when you do…)
5) take action
6) observe results
7) analyze and set new goal
8) rinse and repeat…(a couple hundred times as fast as you can get the interactions in…took me a couple of months, but i had family obligations to deal with (i was MOTIVATED to get better FAST…lol)…and i counted 2 minute street stops, too…bc they gave me some of the same feed back/benefits (‘train your brain’) as longer interactions…(and at some point around 230 + i just stopped counting bc it didn’t matter anymore…lol…doesn’t mean i stopped getting into situs/approaching though…just that the numbers ‘crutch’ just wasn’t needed anymore, since i ‘knew’ what i needed to do and didn’t need to stay ‘on task’ through a number tracking system…it had started to be fun, as opposed to anxiety producing…lol…even getting blown out was a cause for celebration…lol…bc i had finally found THE boundary…lol…(for that girl anyway…lol)). coming up with new approaches/stories/etc was a kick…(still is…lol).
if you’re in anything like a city/bigger town you should be able to easily hit 30 a day at the local popular ‘open spaces’ downtown on a nice spring/summer day/or shopping malls in the winter…unless you try for instadates…and you should…lol…then getting your numbers up will take longer, but you’ll still learn as much. it’ll just be more of the whole process at once as opposed to learning the steps as you go…)
it’s not hard to understand it…but it is VERY hard to implement…due to social conditioning…
just remember…they’re just silly girls…lol…and since they are ruled by their emotions…and game is about learning to lead their emotional responses to where you want them to go…the better you get at game, at some point there is literally no limit to the girls you can get, provided you can get into an interaction (of some type) with them…lol…and really, how hard is that?…
good luck!
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@HABD – I get a sense you have studied NLP to some degree. Is that wrong? If not, what resources do you find helpful from that world in a game context?
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@sentient
no nlp…more like Chateau/YaReally/Rational Male scientific methodology… combined with aspergery pattern matching…lol…plus a WHOLE lot of ‘avoid divorce rape’ motivation…but now that i’ve turned that corner, it’s just fun…
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@sentient
in mod…it’s a short one too…lol…
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@HABD, I said continue the story, as in, you should start a blog and chronicle what you just wrote about your journey until present day. Lots of good stuff in there. And as you mention with the hundreds of opens, that’s hundreds of blog posts right there. I just happened to join that MMSL forum and I was surprised at how fascinating I thought those relationship 911 threads were. Game posts are cool, but the real-life journeys are even better. the opportunity is ripe for folks like you, YaR, Sentient, Wala, and JustSaying to create a group blog. My two cents.
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@newlyaloof
i’ve thought about a blog, but no time…my kids are my main hobby, right now…i just pop in here to help guys bc this resource was here when i needed it…
you could do a blog too…lol…a real time journey of red pill discovery…and i agree that real stories are fascinating, but at some level they are ALL the same (including mine)…SMV imbalances and reproductive strategies (including the feminine imperative…)…
at some point (if you do enough approaches) they all just kind of blend together. i can’t really remember most of them, especially the street stops…but those are really important bc they validate the theories…
i think one of the reasons you NEED to do all those approaches is to get to that point. you start to see the patterns, and you realize that there really IS another hot girl 2 minutes away and headed right toward you…lol…
good luck!
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@newlyaloof – re MMSL form a couple of tips for you. a) a lot of the more alpha guys who actually had success turning around their LTR have gotten banned (ahem…) b) there are a lot of guys left who have been working for 12-24 months or more and are stuck because they WONT push things, they keep whining though and post a lot, so be careful whose advice you follow (Fredless is uniformly fantastic however and is one alpha guys with great success who has not been banned) c) they do NOT welcome Chateau views about the nature of women or any man vs woman stuff, d) 99% of the abundant female posters giving advice (and moderating) are from a self selected group of high sex drive submissive women whose formerly alpha husbands have low T, so I’d just ignore everything they have to say pretty much, mucho projection, and e) stay out of the 911 posts unless your wife is actively having an affair or you really suspect she is, its all just needless drama otherwise. The 2011 Primer is excellent though and I recommend.
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@Sentient @Having a Bad Day – thanks – this feels like a team effort even if it is only a 6.5. Of course I only have this much leeway cos she’s a 6.5.
Update (and thanks HABD – you were right about the door still being open):
HER: You’re a funking nutter?
ME (24 hrs later after HABD suggested re-engaging): LOL I will get out of the asylum to meet up..they won’t allow you into my padded cell
HER (within 20 mins): I don’t think they should let you out of the asylum
ME: Then you can do a conjugal visit to my cell – the padding’s better than a bed. I’m back in next week – drinks after that.
–
I’m not sure what’s beta about my line about getting out of the asylum..I’ll go back and look at YaReally’s stuff again but these are the kind of boundaries I am learning to push..
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@CS
the asylum line was fine, but the overall sub communication was that it wasn’t going anywhere = beta (not pushing for a real life meet up to get to sex asap…which is what an alpha with options would be doing)…
and it didn’t matter here (bc 37 yo hb6, which you recognize…) and it set up the conjugal visit line which is great…lol…but that stalling/bantering type texting might hurt you when you move up to that 21 yo hb8 who has 50 orbiters trying to banter with her bc they all think that bantering is moving their interaction/seduction forward, when it’s not…and that alpha asshole blows past all that banter and gets the meet…bc he doesn’t have time to banter bc he has sooo many other better options…
and getting better at texting won’t hurt you with the 37 yo hb6 milfs, so it’s better to groove those texting chops aimed at the 20 yo hb8…and then you can CONSCIOUSLY throw in some banter when you need to calibrate down…but you need to be able to know why you are doing it…
make sense?
good luck!
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@Having a bad day, Sentient, Walawala
Update: SUCCESS. Thanks guys (and HABD in particular for convincing me to re-engage).
—
After the conjugal visit to my cell message:
HER: You take back to your padded cell?
ME: Easy there tiger, I want to get to know you first before I take you to my cell. Send me your number – I’m XXX
HER: We can set up a date here..I don’t want to give my number right away
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I don’t really care about this woman or going through the hassle of setting up a date or getting her number (although I could) – but thanks for the help in getting through the shit tests and pushing forward.
HABD – I’m just starting to get a feel for what you’re saying about moving forward all the time..like a vague outline that I’m just starting to see..
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@CS
“Update: SUCCESS. Thanks guys (and HABD in particular for convincing me to re-engage).”
you’re welcome…props for putting in the work…this stuff isn’t easy…
“After the conjugal visit to my cell message:
HER: You take back to your padded cell?
ME: Easy there tiger, I want to get to know you first before I take you to my cell. Send me your number – I’m XXX
HER: We can set up a date here..I don’t want to give my number right away
—”
can (did) you spot the shit test here? and what purpose it serves?…
“I don’t really care about this woman or going through the hassle of setting up a date or getting her number (although I could) – but thanks for the help in getting through the shit tests and pushing forward.”
you should push her some more…push those boundaries…lol…try to get her to give you her number on your schedule not hers…analyze, make your predictions, act, observe…rinse and repeat…
“HABD – I’m just starting to get a feel for what you’re saying about moving forward all the time..like a vague outline that I’m just starting to see..”
ya, it takes some time and effort/experience to see this stuff, but you’re well on your way…the process goes from blue pill clueless/frustration/confusion to red pill awareness/hindsight to red pill realtime awareness to red pill predictions/calibration…just groove your swing, and let it fly…lol…
good luck!
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@HABD
No I didn’t see the shit test in her suggesting we arrange a date online (tbh I was just happy at beating all the other shit tests that I didn’t push it and said I’d be in touch online next week).
Coincidentally though I’m also online gaming a hard-9 18 year old redhead. She’s smoking. Her profile talks about “wanting a guy to show her a good time” and liking the finer things, so with my age (35) and profile she is probably sniffing a sugar daddy (although unlike some, she’s not said it outright)
Anyway, I won’t extract the whole convo but it’s all laconic – 1-5 words from each of us. “I’ll spank you”. “OK”. “Meet for drinks”. “Where”. “After business trip”. Stuff like that.
Then I said “Send your number – I’m XX”. And she’s like “No sorry I don’t send my personal details” (NOTE: longest message yet)
I’d have said fuck it usually but after the success with the HB6.5 I figured I’d push it and respond to the shit test and I was like “LOL more precious than gold”. She replies “It’s just personal” [The closest a 9 is going to come to apologizing] [ALSO I should have responded with something similar to the 6.5 in retrospect]
Then me: “How will I know you’ll turn up” Her: “I won’t leave you hanging – I ain’t that mean” [NOTE: Again, longest message till date]
Me: “OK I will give you one chance. Will message when I’m back in town” [NOTE: I should have left this at “OK Will give one chance” – the second sentence was unnecessary..I realized as soon as I clicked “Send”]
So I’m learning. The 9 is much harder game than the 6.5 and I could have done it a lot better..but there is improvement..and all you guys (Wala, Sentient, YaReally etc) help a lot – thanks.
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@CS
“No I didn’t see the shit test in her suggesting we arrange a date online (tbh I was just happy at beating all the other shit tests that I didn’t push it and said I’d be in touch online next week).”
the shit test is her setting the frame. you told her to give you her number (your preferred method to take the next step) she said ‘no, do it my way’…her rules = her frame = she controls…
“Coincidentally though I’m also online gaming a hard-9 18 year old redhead. She’s smoking. Her profile talks about “wanting a guy to show her a good time” and liking the finer things, so with my age (35) and profile she is probably sniffing a sugar daddy (although unlike some, she’s not said it outright)”
then don’t assume that’s true…bc that sets up a beta mindset = she’s out of your league…and you’d be luck to just sniff her panties…lol…= she’s the prize…
why wouldn’t she she want the big D from an alpha stud like you?…serious question…your age is peak attraction for men…see Rational Male for more on this…
“Anyway, I won’t extract the whole convo but it’s all laconic – 1-5 words from each of us. “I’ll spank you”. “OK”. “Meet for drinks”. “Where”. “After business trip”. Stuff like that.
Then I said “Send your number – I’m XX”. And she’s like “No sorry I don’t send my personal details” (NOTE: longest message yet)”
she might be a pro…lol…but then why is she online?…to find an alpha…or to just get validation?…or both?…
“I’d have said fuck it usually but after the success with the HB6.5 I figured I’d push it and respond to the shit test and I was like “LOL more precious than gold”. She replies “It’s just personal” [The closest a 9 is going to come to apologizing] ”
not to an alpha stud…lol…she’d be crying and begging him to take her back…and saying she was all wrong and she was truly sorry…lol…
“[ALSO I should have responded with something similar to the 6.5 in retrospect]”
lol…NO…although your last couple of exchanges were pretty good, you need to work on sub communications a bit first…but she IS a good resource to practice your texting game…push those limits…
“Then me: “How will I know you’ll turn up” Her: “I won’t leave you hanging – I ain’t that mean” [NOTE: Again, longest message till date]”
this is beta frame…do you see why? why would you care if she turned up?…since you have more better options…like that 3 some of 18 yo yoga instructors that love to just stop by your place for some casual fun once a week or whenever you call them…lol…
“Me: “OK I will give you one chance. Will message when I’m back in town” [NOTE: I should have left this at “OK Will give one chance” – the second sentence was unnecessary..I realized as soon as I clicked “Send”]”
this is a form of ‘negotiating for arousal’ = beta…
“So I’m learning. The 9 is much harder game than the 6.5 and I could have done it a lot better..but there is improvement..and all you guys (Wala, Sentient, YaReally etc) help a lot – thanks”
you ARE learning…props on putting in the work…this stuff isn’t easy…you’re better than you were yesterday…and not as good as you will be tomorrow…
push the boundaries on the hb9…she’s a lost cause already, so you don’t have anything to lose…turn up your asshole quotient to 11…lol…
good luck!
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@CS
got one stuck in the stack…
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@Having A Bad Day
Thanks again – you just completely made me look at both those interactions (HB9 and 6.5) with fresh eyes.
It’s a great feeling making progress – I am seeing the dynamics you’re pointing out when I wouldn’t have been able to before.
I do a lot of online game cos I travel a lot, but even there – I’ve gone in 5-6 months from not being able to even ask for photos from girls I met online to having girls routinely send sexy pictures even without me asking (not necessarily v hot girls but still). I somehow managed to have my first sex chat on WhatsApp in November..now I had 3 this week alone.
My strategy is consolidate my skills and build reference experiences with the less hot girls (so you’ll see plenty of posts from me about HB6s and 7s..) and then go up the scale.
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@HABD, yeah, know what you mean. I just see monitization potential in a lot of dudes’ stories I’ve mentioned. But, yeah, time constraints with family are a bitch.
Even if I don’t approach, I like to play the game of what COULD/SHOULD I have said to open that or this girl. Fun stuff. Ex. Saw a cute girl at an intersection yesterday. Like the others there, she was waiting for the walk signal to flash. I just waited for a break in traffic and I bolted across the street and into the food joint. I went in one door and she must have entered the other door. I got in line in front of her and our eyes met. I gave her the eyes you and YaReally mentioned in another post. She smiled and demurely looked down. I grinned and simply got in line. Afterward I thought about what I COULD I have said. I could have smiled and said, “Isn’t it so unfair?” At that point she would have been intrigued to wonder what I was talking about and say, “What?” Then I could have said, “How I broke the traffic rules while you did what you were supposed to and now you have to wait behind me.” You get the point. I do a lot less thinking about what I should have said these days and just say it. Fun either way, but more satisfying actually opening.
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@newlyaloof
more doing = alpha…actually opening cute girls is the best…and most satisfying…even if you get shot down…lol…remember they’re just silly girls, so have fun…
sooo, your goal is to open at least 10 new and different girls this weekend…as fast as you can get them in…then report back on your emotional state…lol…
and the point is to not have to play the mind game (which i used to do quite well, thank you very much…lol) actually talking to real live girls is quite different than doing the living in your head thing…ask me how i know…lol
good luck!
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@Sentient, yeah I believe I checked out MMSL after you mentioned some of the dudes’ posts there. I don’t even read any of the female responses. I just like to see how fucked up some of the dudes’ situations were.
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