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White Women Are Getting Fatter Too

January 31, 2015 by CH

Lardass of the Blogosphere is butthurt by all the anti-fat realtalk in the free speech zone, and this resentment fuels the obstinacy with which he holds to wrong-headed opinions about obesity. His latest is a howler:

In the comments, there is often talk about the fattening of America, yet I hardly see any fat white people in Manhattan. Thus I came up with the theory, this morning, that thin people are moving to Manhattan and other thin cities such as Washington, Boston, and San Francisco/Silicon Valley, leaving the fat people behind in the rest of the country. Those readers who live in the rest of the country are, therefore, getting the false impression that the population as a whole, is fatter than it really is.

Or that, you know, the skinny people living in the pricey coastal cities are getting the false impression that the population as a whole is skinnier than it really is.

LotB is called out on his ignorance of CDC obesity data by one of his commenters, which he reacts to by attempting a semantic evasion.

Those [CDC obesity] statistics are not broken down by race. New York has plenty of overweight blacks and Hispanics.

Here is the CDC obesity data for white women (the data most pertinent to the functioning of a healthy sexual market):

Between 1988–1994 and 2007–2008, the prevalence of obesity among women increased (Figure 4):
•    From 22.9% to 33.0% among non-Hispanic white women.

Yes, there are disproportionately more fat black and amerindian women, but white women are getting FATTER too. LotB is simply mistaken in his pro-fatass beliefs. For shits and giggles, here’s the obesity rate in the United States in 1960 versus the obesity rate in 2008:

Obese (BMI ≥ 30)
1960-1962: 13.4%
2007-2008: 34.3%

Extreme Obesity (BMI ≥ 40):
1960-1962: 0.9%
2007-2008: 6.0%

Environmental shocks.

Obesity and extreme obesity are the two most revolting categories of fatness. Mere overweight has gone up a couple percentage points since 1960. None of the trends are good, however a few extra pounds on a man won’t adversely affect his romantic prospects like similar extra weight on a woman would affect hers.

These numbers are even worse than they appear, because the obesity categories are based on renormed standards. The 1959 Met Life insurance tables are truer standards of ideal weight, because they were devised before American “girth inflation” became necessary to spare the feelings of chubsters like, I would bet good money, those of LotB’s.

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  1. on January 31, 2015 at 12:42 pm White Women Are Getting Fatter Too | Manosphere.com

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  3. on January 31, 2015 at 1:06 pm A

    I live in the Valley. If this is considered skinny central, I wonder what the rest of the country is like.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 3:15 pm irish savant

      They are indeed getting fatter but also in my opinion more masculine. Not just in attitude – which of course the grrrrls are – but even in looks. Bigger and stronger jaws for one thing…

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      • on February 9, 2015 at 7:14 pm John Cool

        Irish savant wouldn’t that hurt the former argument made by heartise that men are getting more feminine and less test? I mean if fatter is more estrogen it seems to me women should be getting more estrogen too.

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  4. on January 31, 2015 at 1:14 pm John

    lol what a retard. Just go to anyplace that isn’t a large cosmopolitan city and you’ll see it. Fat women everywhere. Shit, just search the online dating sites for “Tulsa, Oklahoma” or “New Bedford, Mass” and you’ll be greeted with a deluge of grinning whales.

    Every thin attractive young woman flocks to the city now. These cities are often the only hope a man has to meet a reasonably cute mate, but the cost barrier and luck of the draw factor makes it unattainable for most.

    Anyway it’s useless to bitch about because there’s no going back now. Things are only going to get worse. America literally needs to be destroyed.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 1:23 pm CH

      This is a powerful point, and something that anti-SCALE guys like Pman would be wise to take into consideration in their advocacy of policies that would rebuild small towns and rural regions. if the hot babes come, the men will follow. right now all the hot babes are going to the cities and leaving the land whales in those “socially connected” communities anti-scale people love so much.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 1:28 pm John

        PMAN has somehow deluded himself into thinking societal ills can be reversed if men move out of the cities into rural areas. His blind spot is the lack of attractive women available in those areas. I say the cities need to be reclaimed by prosperous whites who have a genuine desire to restore community and curb immigration/ghettoization. Only then can we hope to branch out into suburban and rural growth.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 1:31 pm CH

        it’s fatassery all the way down.

        ps i’m sympathetic to Pman’s views, but he really nurses a willful ignorance about men’s and women’s sexual natures. why he does i can only speculate, though i have theories.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 1:32 pm Sentient

        It’s also SES relevant, rich communities (villages, resort towns, small cities and just neighborhoods) have a far higher ratio of thin and attractive women, whether married or single (i. e. daughters) than poor communities across the board in the US and the West in general (UK etc.).

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 1:34 pm CH

        yes, but dumb (aka lower SES) people were thinner in the not so distant past. whatever happened to western lifestyles within the past 60 years to cause such ugliness has to be reversed. truth and beauty and all that.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 4:34 pm Sentient

        @Ch. No argument something must ‘ve done here. Just pointing poon posses to prime $$$$$zip codes for where the quality resides.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 4:45 pm anonYmous

        Whatever happened. Lots of things. The removal of Iodine from salt. The dependance on carbohydrate filler for food. The subsidization of school lunch programs or just school lunch programs to begin with. The acceptance of women into the workforce, and not needing to depend on men for survival instead they can survive by working or dependance on the government. The feminization of the education system. The gradual removal of recess from school and more homework. The abundance of food. Why people arent fatter is a wonder to me.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 5:18 pm ho

        Pman has sisters who probably aren’t SATC types. If your own sisters are good ole traditional women, you have a tough time being all Houllebecqian in your real talk. People who care about their sexual happiness are just worthless scum that deny women like his sisters provider hubbies.

        Was it something like that, CH? Because you DID once write a post about how shitlibs hate men, but are realistic wrt to women but trad cons exalt women and are realistic about men.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 8:41 pm themanofmystery2

        Living in a Midwest metro area of a few million that isn’t Chicago provides me with hope that there are significant percentages of hotties in the flyovers, albeit in the large cities in those regions that are not-so-cosmopolitan.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 10:23 pm lichthof

        Carbs are the problem. A carb diet is fine if you work in the fields or construction – but for the vast majority of us who work at desks, anything more than the minimum amount of carbs is pointless food. Look at what people consume – fries, pizza, beer, bread, sandwiches etc – it’s all carbs and white people especially bloat up

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 12:52 pm Arbiter

        The removal of Iodine from salt. The dependance on carbohydrate filler for food. The subsidization of school lunch programs or just school lunch programs to begin with. The acceptance of women into the workforce, and not needing to depend on men for survival instead they can survive by working or dependance on the government. The feminization of the education system. The gradual removal of recess from school and more homework. The abundance of food. Why people arent fatter is a wonder to me.

        Free school lunches exist practically everywhere, they don’t make people fatter. No, it was Ancel Keys’ pet idea, that fat was behind obesity. To prove this he made his “Seven Nation Study” that conveniently ignored evidence from fifteen countries where fat consumption was high and weight was low, in order to find seven that suited him. When you pass by Sweden, West Germany and France in favor of Cyprus and Yugoslavia, you’re a lying bastard.

        His “stars” were the Cypriotes. Who he studied partly during Lent, when the Greek Orthodox won’t eat meat. “They didn’t eat much meat when I was there, and they were slim! Meat makes you fat!” Also, they were slim because they were on an island, where they had had severely reduced food imports during World War II. As we know, being slim when you grow up makes you more likely to stay slim, and the study was in the 1950s.

        Ancel Keys was in the American Heard Association, which was an obscure group, but he was lifted up to prominence by Procter & Gamble. They had just produced the first vegetable-based shortening and wanted people to think it was more healthy than the real thing. They promoted Ancel Keys in the commercial breaks during their radio soaps, which were hugely popular, listened to by housewives all over America. (Called “soaps” because of P&C’s soap commercials during the breaks.)

        After that AHA became the go-to source for journalists, who are simple and lazy people who want to know which source is the top source so they can ignore the rest. Many, many researchers disagreed, but they were silenced. Even the president had heart problems – something had to be changed. In time only one view prevailed in academia, held up by corrupt professors who wanted funding. (Same as with “global warming” which was said in the 1980s would very soon melt the polar ice caps, same as they have said every year since then. “Within the next few years.”)

        I urge everyone to Google “Ancel Keys American Heart Association”. Read the link that appears right below the Wikipedia link. Also Google Nina Teicholz, she is the one who did a lot of in-depth research to clear up what really happened back in the fifties.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 12:59 pm Arbiter

        But also, it’s the fact that Americans would take the car to work, while in other countries you often take the bus, train or the subway. And by the side of the road there were fast-food restaurants with cheap food. In Europe fast-food restaurants appeared later, slower and were more expensive.

        It was easy to pick up a hamburger and some fries and Coke on the way to work, and on the way home. It was fun to go to a fast-food restaurant with the family a few times a week. Easier too for the mother, so she wouldn’t have to make dinner at home every single day. It became a habit. And all that food is of course full of carbs – the white hamburger bread, the French fries. Sugar in the ketchup and soda, etc.

        Cheap, easily available fast food, early on before people knew how bad it was. That was the difference between America and Europe. And when fast food appeared in Europe, there were already indications from the U.S. that too much fast food could be harmful. When the warnings were raised in America the population was already quite fat, and as we know, if you grow up with fat parents you are more likely to become fat yourself, so the habits were perpetuated.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 11:08 pm anonYmous

        @Arbiter

        Your comment about the AHA is on point. School lunch programs get their funding from where? Department of Ag. They had to provide lunches that had to comply with their standards. Which used the AHA data. High carbs, low fats.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 7:22 am Dat_Truth_Hurts

        Yes, “low fat” diet recommendations are a big contributor, along with HFCS – but early American settlers ate over 10k calories a day, most of it in beer because the water was bad. The carbohydrate load for most westerners should be 50% lower. But because of large government FDA big brother regulations and subsidies, it is so much more expensive to eat healthy.

        People get arrested for selling real food unloaded with tons of antibiotics and shit if they don’t play ball and pay off the government (in the form of licenses which do nothing to keep us safe).

        What we have is a perfect storm of fatness. We’ve invented so many time and work saving things, so many appliances that do the work that women used to do that would burn tons of calories. Now women have all this extra time to fill departments that were not needed when they had more valuable roles as wife, mother and dishwasher. They can haz fabulous careers doing paperwork and opening up cupcake boutiques.

        Jobs are more focused on computers, entertainment is now video games and ipads. The internet has made it easier than ever to not get up and do stuff.

        We’re slowly becoming the slug people from WALL-E. America, like always, is a pioneer – but other nations are catching up rapidly. Humans are such simple creatures.

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      • on February 9, 2015 at 7:16 pm John Cool

        This probably explains why black guys get more women today. Since they seem to prefer fat women over skinny.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 2:55 pm King A

      Ideologies supported by anecdotes.

      You, CH, and “Pman” — whoever he is — take an essentially feminine approach to problem solving. Today’s ubiquity of information and communication make a highly opinionated, self-centered series of disjointed pronouncements the method of choice for the less-than-rigorous thinker. It used to be you had to work for an informed opinion, and even then, few had means to express it.

      Today: Every man is his own Science!

      None of you are on to anything. “Powerful point” my muscular white ass. You need a deliberate epistemological method. Otherwise you just develop the bitch-tits of the intellectual water-supply you grew up drinking. The aggregate result is infinite noise, infinitesimal signal.

      At least CH has the modesty, awareness, and hypocritical honesty to slap the ❤❤❤SCIENCE!!!❤❤❤ brand over his naked pronunciamentos — but even this more sophisticated diversionary tactic can get a Cold Civil War only so far.

      If you insist on affecting the pursuit of truth, at least be manly about it: Assertion backed by force. Right now you unconsciously justify your assertions with hackery, excuses, anecdotalism, and obscurantism. Like women. Rather than It is so because I say so, you timidly offer It is so because I see it in my city, or, because I read a study in an academic journal, or, because that guy is such an asssththhole, or, because … because … because ….

      1t i5 wh@ 1t i5 m8

      The best method to knowledge is humility followed by deliberate faith about the irreducible things. (See how I assert?) But that’s a whole different ball of string.

      Matt

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 2:59 pm FuriousFerret

        Hey what’s going on Matt!

        Return of the King.

        Ready for Sermonz and Big Wordz.

        Missed you Big Guy.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 3:02 pm John

        Uh, that was very eloquent and all, but can you prove me wrong?

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 3:49 pm ballocaust

        This is rich, did you swap out the Bible for Origin of Species in your absence?

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 5:37 pm King A

        How so?

        I am constant as the northern star,
        Of whose true-fixed and resting quality
        There is no fellow in the firmament.
        The skies are painted with unnumbered sparks.
        They are all fire and every one doth shine,
        But there’s but one in all doth hold his place.
        So in the world. ‘Tis furnished well with men,
        And men are flesh and blood, and apprehensive,
        Yet in the number I do know but one
        That unassailable holds on his rank,
        Unshaked of motion. And that I am he.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 5:43 pm King A

        Uh, that was very eloquent and all, but can you prove me wrong?

        “Uh … uh … uh …” Are you having a mongoloid moment?

        I am not here to prove you wrong. God help me. I am here to propose that maybe — just maybe — there are more things in heaven and earth, John, than are dreamt of in your anecdote-hoarding.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 5:51 pm PA

        Are you having a mongoloid moment?

        I’m gonna use that next time somebody replies to me with “uh” or “um”.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 6:47 pm Anon

        Welcome back your majesty!

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 7:48 pm ho

        Why is this punk returning supposed to be a good thing? Seems more like an unimaginative troll pretending to be sophisticated.

        He didn’t say “uh..uh..uh” you gimp.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 8:49 pm themanofmystery2

        “Rather than ‘it is so because I say so,’ you timidly offer ‘it is so because I see it in my city’ or ‘because I read a study in an academic journal…”

        While I support a masculine approach to deduction, the inconsistency in your argument glares at this point. The first point is clearly anecdotal, which is one tenet of what you are arguing against, but the point about academic journals is actually the exact antonym to anecdotal evidence: peer reviewed, proper variable controlled scientific research. This of course assumes we are talking about a published primary research journal such as Nature and not some bullshit like The Atlantic or Scientific American.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 9:09 pm yeahokcool

        Welcome back.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 10:57 pm Pluviophile

        Welcome back. Your contribution has been missed.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 10:21 am eofahapi

        Welcome back Matt.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 10:27 am MrHyde

        Matt, you crack me up buddy

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 1:20 pm Arbiter

        “You, CH, and “Pman” — whoever he is — take an essentially feminine approach to problem solving” … is that your way of saying “Fuck you”?

        And your hearts in bold and your picture, to draw attention to your post. A picture that doesn’t add anything. Except that it’s a pic of a douche, which people will associate with you. Smart.

        “You need a deliberate epistemological method” LOL Religious idiot.

        “Rather than It is so because I say so, you timidly offer It is so because I see it in my city, or, because I read a study in an academic journal, or, because that guy is such an asssththhole, or, because … because … because ….”

        Let me rephrase that: Fucking religious idiot. You equate scientific backing of careful observation with mere anecdotal evidence. That’s like saying someone who can prove a mathematical theory by showing the calculations is the same as someone who just guesses a number.

        And you call CH a hypocrite? For what? What’s hypocritical? You can’t say.

        Your alternative to this? Your shitty religious book, a hodgepodge of contradictory fantasies by Jews, compiled by celibate Catholics centuries later under fierce debate about what to include.

        You have also shat on Rollo Tomassi, Vox and others for not referring to your Bible, which I’m now pretty sure you masturbate to, judging from your obsession.

        Ironically CH is actually religious, but he bases his arguments on facts and logic, which you can’t understand, and which you can’t accept because you’re a fanatic.

        In short, you’re just an unpleasant, ignorant little man who hates the fact that others can provide facts and you can’t. Now go and open the sticky pages in your Bible and fill yourself with the thought of how superior you are, despite being a failure in life, because YOU are religious and others are not. Religious holier-than-thou attitude and communist holier-than-thou attitude are the two refuges of the failure.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 5:02 pm Pirx the Pirate

        I have been waiting for the Arbiter/King A showdown for soooooo long.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 11:58 pm Arbiter

        I have been waiting for the Arbiter/King A showdown for soooooo long.

        Hardly a showdown since he never has any facts. This is too easy. The guy is too much of a fanatic, attacking prominent manosphere writers simply for not basing their posts on his religion. Where’s the argument in that? He’s wrong and he knows it. He just has to write to get high on righteousness. For some that’s all they have.

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 8:41 am Amy

        Welcome back, Matt! Now where is JayinDC? I worry about that guy.

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 5:16 pm Pirx the Pirate

        I’m still not convinced you’re not both him.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 7:22 pm Ninjadata

      Take a look at this

      http://is.gd/PPHiLm

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 8:39 pm BS Inc.

      Ha, random call-out of New Bedford. In its defense, NB was the whaling capital of the world. “Call me fatass.”

      Seriously, though, I’m from there and, yeah, when I go back, it’s disgusting.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 11:34 pm Carlos Danger

        I was told New Bedford was now gentrified and had lots of upscale restaurants. Is that true?

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 8:26 pm NB is bad

        @Carlos Danger. No it’s not. It’s still really crappy and prole.

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  5. on January 31, 2015 at 1:21 pm PA

    It must take a lot of inner game to not develop scarcity mentality now.

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  6. on January 31, 2015 at 1:21 pm YaReally

    Haven’t been to NYC much but I assume people there would be in decent shape because of all the walking you have to do. From what I remember catching the subway involved walking up/down multiple flights of stairs and down long runways and standing on the subway and walking up/down more flights of stairs to change trains and then walking down long city blocks to get to wherever you’re going.

    VS sitting in your apartment, taking an elevator downstairs to then sit in your car, to then park close to your office door and take an elevator up to your desk to sit all day.

    I remember a lot of readily available freshly made wraps and subs and sandwiches (the healthy type shit) like you can just pop in and grab a healthy wrap for your walk. I was really impressed by the whole setup and wish more cities forced people to exercise like that and had available food etc.

    Like I’d way rather get a healthy wrap or something after the bar but all that’s open/convenient is greasy unhealthy shit. Would also prefer girls had that option to get something healthy after the bar instead of the abundance of greasy pizza and hot dogs etc. so they don’t build such bad “drinking = greasy food after” wiring in their brains all thru their 20s.

    I wonder how a wrap stand would do outside a bar at last call, like the hot dog stands but they make chicken & lettuce wraps and only have fat free dressing and just squirt minimal amounts of it instead of slobbering ranch all over neutralizing rhe healthy aspects of it lol this probably exists I don’t know I don’t pay a lot of attention I eat at a relatively healthy place or cook my own food now that I’m trying to get my health handled.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 2:28 pm Jason

      Having lived in NYC, I’d say that the walking alone doesn’t really keep you in shape. It probably staves off the absurd levels of obesity you see in Middle America, but for most people it isn’t enough to not have to still need to think about eating right and exercising…even if you live in NYC, taking bad care of yourself will still see you pack on some pounds.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 4:33 pm Sentient

        Manhattan is the highest ses environment in the US and one of the top in the world. It attracts the top of the top who are generally thinner. Bronx and queens not so much…

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 2:35 pm PA

      Keeping the weight off today is almost entirely a function of IQ and correlated personal qualities at high enough levels to resist agribusinesses gmo-chemical shit-food and also step up with exercise when needed.

      People who are lazier or of shorter time horizon will not resist the forces of fat.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 5:51 pm Captain Obvious

        > “almost entirely a function of IQ”

        At the NCAA level, in general, the more selective the school, the more slender the women. E.g. you’ll get more lardasses at Berkeley than at Stanford, more lardasses at Rutgers than at Princeton, more lardasses at UNC than at Duke, etc etc etc…

        Politically, white GOP chicks simply pwn the white DEM chicks nowadays [the DEM cause is not helped by all those 300 lb professional bulldykes and teachers’ union bureaucrats].

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 2:37 pm PA

      Whorefinder loves Monsanto because free trade.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 2:41 pm PA

      Female slenderness is now the primary eugenic marker.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 3:58 pm l82dagame

      Dude, low fat “diet” stuff is a scam. Fretting over calories and fat raises cortisol which packs on subcutaneous fat. Look at France, or Russia. Fat and protein galore, and skinny chicks abound.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 5:07 pm Anonymous

        +1….good low glycemic index vegetables, fresh vegetables and some meat are the way to go. Low cholesterol food is a fucking scam and low fat diet is too. Your brain is fat and needs fat, protein, and antioxidants from your veggies and lots of water. You need magnesium too. 70% of people are deficient. Magnesium citrate is good and cheap. The magnesium oxide in the multivitamins sucks. Chicken aren’t fed hormones but they are fed a arsenic based food additive called nitarsone to make them grow faster. There were three other aresnic based additives they were fed but were banned about a year ago…and dont eat soy…period. Health problems have forced me to research tons of this…could write a book on this.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 6:02 pm Captain Obvious

        > “dont eat soy…period”

        Are you old enough to remember tofu?

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 6:36 pm staugustine

        For those who care to know more – check your fad at the McGee door, that is, the Art and Science of cooking. Every food and health fad trope has been done to death many times since the days of Aristotle. The protein diet, carb diet, vegan diet – these all have come and gone at least once or twice in just the past century. Being concerned about your health is a good thing though, of course, but the common sense answer is best: eat a little of everything (but try not to eat rotten/spoiled food. It’s not a nutrition thing, its a bacteria thing. also, cooking food makes it easier to digest/extract the nutrients from, so granola raw food – yeah another sciency fad)

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 6:47 pm YaReally

        @l82dagame
        All documentaries should be based around hot models with accents testing shit out even if I have no idea what she’s saying:

        would destroy/10

        I watch my calories, make sure I get my protein (lolol #homo), and eat mostly raw foods I cook myself along with a one-a-day vitamin and drinking primarily plain water. Can’t be bothered to separate egg yolks and weigh shit or care about organic grown “oh no the chicken ate grass instead of hay” concern or learn about macros lol I grew up with INSANELY shitty eating habits and no cooking skills so passing up instantly-ready greasy pizza for cooking a chicken breast some veggies and scoop of rice is a victory lol I was taking in like 4000+/cals daily thru my teens and early adulthood.

        I’m also poor right now so eggs, chicken/fish in bulk, rice, frozen veggies etc. and not having to buy bigger clothes are all good on my budget lol

        Not looking to get a 6-pack or measure my biceps or anything, just generally build healthy habits as I go through my 30s. Same attitude with exercise, don’t care how my body looks and definitely not making maximum progress by any means, just trying to keep it generally healthy so it all becomes routine into my 40s 50s etc. Got to stay physically active enough to bone hot young chicks proper lol Solid #-close last night of an innocent good-girl 22yo that should be a done deal day2 lay and an overly-sarcastic-shit-testy 24yo that I doubt I’ll convert to a lay and am just txting for practice holding my frame and self-amusing.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 1:52 pm Arbiter

        For those who care to know more – check your fad at the McGee door, that is, the Art and Science of cooking. Every food and health fad trope has been done to death many times since the days of Aristotle. The protein diet, carb diet, vegan diet – these all have come and gone at least once or twice in just the past century. Being concerned about your health is a good thing though, of course, but the common sense answer is best: eat a little of everything (but try not to eat rotten/spoiled food. It’s not a nutrition thing, its a bacteria thing.

        “Just eat less” is advice that never works. People try to eat less, and still eat bread and pasta and rice, so the carbs make them hungry again after a few hours and force them to eat more. And they eat processed meat like hot dogs. Sugar and wheat also destroy people’s skin and cause inflammations, which cause people to age faster. But “just eat less” sounds down-to-earth and simple, and that’s why people like it. People are always looking for the One Wise Truth that seems to clear the table with a firm sweep of the arm, so they don’t have to learn anything complicated. And what doesn’t require knowledge doesn’t require that they are able to defend it with more knowledge.

        It’s not a nutrition thing, it’s a bacteria thing? Well, that’s a new one.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 2:24 pm YaReally

        @Arbiter
        “But “just eat less” sounds down-to-earth and simple, and that’s why people like it. People are always looking for the One Wise Truth that seems to clear the table with a firm sweep of the arm, so they don’t have to learn anything complicated.”

        At 1:19:45:

        Same thing with pickup too. People want bite size knowledge, no one wants to invest a lot of time into shit. In the old PUA days we knew this stuff was a years/lifetime long journey to get better, not an overnight fix.

        But does “take our bootcamp and if you leave the bootcamp and then apply everything you learned multiple nights a week putting yourself through the rollercoaster of ups and downs of learning pickup as you slowly become less and less awkward in-between embarrassing yourself and going home kicking yourself, 2 years from now you’ll get laid!” sell bootcamps or products? Fuck no lol But if you can get them on the bootcamp and then explain to them that it’s a lot of work, and explain that in your free videos etc., eventually the dude is going to figure out “hey this might actually take some work”.

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 12:09 am Arbiter

        Well said, YaReally.

        Tyler says in that video it took him two years to get good. I wouldn’t trust someone who said otherwise. Hell, I still make mistakes that make me think, “Dammit, I KNOW I shouldn’t do that”. Anyone who says he doesn’t still make mistakes sometimes, and that it doesn’t take work, is not actually doing pickup.

        The first time I saw Tyler videos I thought he sounded strange, but watching more videos my respect for him has increased. The turning point was when I saw a video with him standing before the camera in the street during a club night, and this very round Black guy stopped with a cigar and a beer, asking what he was doing. (Not aggressive, just curious because there was a camera.) And Tyler handled him perfectly, shaking his hand, talking smoothly, getting him out of the way before he probably realized what was happening. Excellent. That showed that Tyler really knows how to handle people. Not just women, not just some specific situations, he knows how to handle people with charisma.

        Not many people have real charisma. It is always impressive to see.

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 9:55 am theasdgamer

        @ yareally

        I was doing pickup from 15-19 at high school dances and college (mostly day game) decades ago–before Game was studied seriously.

        I had a very simple strategy and it worked. I wasn’t going for home runs–just base hits. (I wasn’t emotionally ready at the time and I had lots of inhibitions due to being autistic.) Using same day/night game (no phone no., no texting) I could consistently get base hits and it built confidence and I acted like a boy who got lots of attention from girls and whose expectations girls wanted to meet. The latter, along with scaring a stalker away from an engaged woman, and taking a massive risk by simply asking the engaged woman in my social circle for a bang with no preliminary sexualization or kino, led to me losing my virginity at 19 to an HB9. Because of my high school experience, I got to be very good at making out; I improved my social skills also. Both led to having my first gf at 21. (We made out for an hour every day and she said that I was the best makeout that she had ever known.) From there, I quickly found my wife, which is a path I no longer recommend, but she was an uncirculated dime and had never even made out before (she was very unskilled), which is extremely rare. (Totally guarded by her father, with whom she had an excellent relationship. A real pink unicorn. Unfortunately, she has serious entitlement issues.)

        This shows that a man can build skills and long-term value incrementally and get results quickly as well, which is a point that needed to be made. Results will improve with time and learning experience.

        So, my message is to start with a simple plan like I did, which I outline in a post on my site: https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/simple-autistic-game-to-get-women-interested/ . My plan works early, before much alcohol has been consumed. Add social skills and build your social circle, which others have explored.

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  7. on January 31, 2015 at 1:21 pm l82dagame

    We MUST fight back against the obesity epidemic. Decry the growth of obesity every chance you get to friends, family and neighbors. Encourage the consumption of butter, chocolate and coconut oil, which suppresses appetite. Speak out against America’s neurotic diet fads. Olestra, Ephedra, low-fat, vegan, gluten-free, raw, etc. These only add confusion and anxiety to eating habits. Every chance we get, in front of female relatives, and lovers, let’s praise thin women and say how we wish more women were skinny. Let’s encourage walking and biking and less traditional American laziness. Let’s encourage places to not have such large size sodas and snacks.

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 2:08 pm Arbiter

      Paleo is the right way to reduce fat. Anything that makes people hungry, like low-fat or “just eat less calories” fails since people will just start eating more again, as we have seen.

      Let me explain this for those who still don’t know: The body can get its energy from either sugar or protein, that’s it. ALL carbs turn to blood sugar, just like sugar. Too much glucose, blood sugar, is poison for the body, so it wants to get rid of it as fast as possible. The insulin hormone spikes to take care of the glucose. It puts some in the muscles and other parts of the body that need energy, but chances are you haven’t just been working out. So a lot of glucose remains. This the insulin then stores in fat cells, and that’s how people get fat.

      A few hours later your glucose is gone and you get hungry again. And your body will send out cravings for sugar and carbs, which it is used to. The body prefers sugar because it is easier, it doesn’t have to be broken down like protein, so your body very easily gets hooked on sugar.

      By contrast, fat takes longer to break down. It stays longer in the body as a source of energy, so you don’t get hungry as quickly.

      People today get as much as 60-70 percent of their calories from carbs, which is way too much. Many studies show that you can get by with just 15 percent of calories from carbs. And there are no studies that show that 15 percent would be harmful, for those who wonder.

      After 4-5 weeks of switching to primarily fat/protein instead of carbs/sugar, something happens: the body gets used to having its energy from fat instead. When your body gets hungry, it will then take energy from your stored fat. And so finally you have achieved the state where you lose fat without being hungry.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 2:15 pm Arbiter

        Paleo combined with weightlifting – for men and women, though obviously with lighter weights for women – takes best care of the body. Cardio only makes you hungry and releases the stress hormone cortisol, which makes the body store more fat for emergencies. Weightlifting also produces cortisol, but it also produces a counter-hormone. And weightlifting also trains your hearts and lungs, through the warmup and through the exhausting training itself, so you don’t need cardio. The body is made for walking slowly, sprinting, and lifting heavy things. Running for an hour straight is not something it is made for, and only damages your joints and organs. Interval training is four times better training for your heart and lungs. Which is exactly what the body gets from the reps-and-pause pattern in weightlifting. Also, weightlifting is good for your joints as muscles take over some of the burden – and this way you can move more in old age, and keep your weight down.

        Also, intermittent fasting. Many in the manosphere eat within an eight-hour window every day. It has been shown that when you give the body time to recuperate with a sixteen-hour fast, it repairs old cells instead of creating new ones, which slows down aging. It removes waste products that damage the cells, again slowing down aging. And you don’t gain as much weight – even if you eat as many calories as you did before. It is also better for a host of conditions, improving nerves and more. Our bodies were made for long periods of no food, that’s how humans lived for tens of thousands of years. Constant eating is bad for you, the body never gets to rest and clean up. People wonder, doesn’t that make the body store fat because it’s starving, as they’ve heard? But that only happens after three days of no eating, not after sixteen hours.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 9:21 pm KP

        This!

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 11:50 am Anton

        Except it doesn’t work that way…
        http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/03/its-time-to-let-go-of-glycemic-index.html

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 11:52 am l82dagame

        EXCELLENT post. This should be American doctrine. I try to consume as much fat/protein as I can and eat when I’m hungry. This has kept me slim for years and keeps my appetite down. My brother claims that I just have a different metabolism, but I know it’s actually science and logic.

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  8. on January 31, 2015 at 1:43 pm dastardlyrake

    http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/strategies-dont-lead-love-these-skills-do-jvinc/

    heartiste, a classic piece from the goodmangina project. would love to see this given the shiv.

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  9. on January 31, 2015 at 1:58 pm martin

    The problem is parenting. I see Michelle Obama has a school lunch program to restrict eating. You know parenting has failed when a grossly incompetent program decides to try to do the job parents couldn’t. Obesity runs in families, it starts young. Of course, you won’t get any result from the government when you have people in charge who think both that there are too many fat people and that all women are beautiful as they are whether obese or not. Parents have been stripped of the ability to discipline children for fear of causing damage, an anti authoritarian idea from the 60s. Maybe newer parents will be different, but this generation is ruined. Ironically, the fear of damaging a child by being an authority to it has led to the psychological trauma that comes from children growing up fat. If you really want to fix it, you should shame parents too.

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 8:36 am Stinky Pinky

      It takes a village to raise a child – and nowadays it takes two incomes to live in a village – so until American couples revert to traditional roles – and someone foregoes working to mind home and hearth – the trade of health for wealth will continue.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 10:41 am martin

        Yes, I suppose being fat is more of a lower income person’s problem. The men who can earn the equivalent of two incomes probably don’t have this problem with their kids since they can afford to raise their children. But Lena Dunham is a fatty and her parents clearly never disciplined her. People like to eat, being fat is really a natural state if you ask me, it takes guidance to learn to suppress the urge to gorge on sugary sweets and kfc.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 10:53 am martin

        I assumed it was obvious Lena Dunham came from a wealthy family, it isn’t unless you knew that already.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 11:01 am PA

        Three decades ago Lena Dunham would have probably been thin because it took effort back then to get fat. Today she is fat despite her patrician background, a reflection on the sheer persistence of her dysgenia. Thinness is a primary eugenic marker today.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 2:24 pm Arbiter

        Yes, I suppose being fat is more of a lower income person’s problem. The men who can earn the equivalent of two incomes probably don’t have this problem with their kids since they can afford to raise their children.

        The problem is not whether they can afford to raise their children. They still come home after work, don’t they? Those with higher incomes in fact work more hours and spend less time at home, so have less time with their children.

        No, it’s about low-IQ and low-income families (often a correlation) buying more potato chips, Coke, lemonade, ice cream, hot dogs and so on. Note, this is not about a lower income. They have a lower income but still buy things they don’t need, after buying food.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 3:16 pm martin

        Is all that’s required is a mere appearance once a day for good parenting? I think not. The fact is that obesity started trending upwards after the 60’s. That was when parents began to be replaced by the state and discipline was seen as too crude a measure for children. Something else happened, there wasn’t just a sudden change in food, if anything food has become healthier as we learn more about nutrition science. The issue is that people are forming bad habits young. Obesity can strike anyone. Lena Dunham is no idiot, crazy leftist yes, but she turned out to be fat because it is clear her parents spoiled her rotten.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 3:35 pm Stinky Pinky

        I thought this article was pretty powerful in it’s comparison between convenience food and what one eats at home.

        http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/12/22/upshot/what-2000-calories-looks-like.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=0

        My point: Neither parent is home to make food like this – and too tired to bother. Parents each pass a dozen drive thru’s on the commute home – so convenience becomes the default – and with that comes the calories.

        I’ll wager that on the whole, kids in dual income families are heavier than those where one parent or a grandparent is home.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 4:25 pm YaReally

        @Stinky
        “I suppose being fat is more of a lower income person’s problem.”

        I call BS on this. I’ve been poor as fuck for a few years now and I’m eating healthier than I ever have and am always as full as I want to be. Buying eggs, chicken breast, fish, rice, etc. in bulk is cheap as fuck. I did the math when I started shopping this way and I’m really only paying a couple bucks per meal, for filling healthy low-calorie meals. For the same price as a couple bags of potato chips I can get enough chicken for a week of meals or like a dozen eggs and a loaf of bread.

        I always bought into the whole “it’s expensive to eat healthy” thing but then I got into it and it’s really a lot cheaper. I’m not even using coupons or shopping at super discounted places, just a standard grocery store (tho I pay attention for when shit is on sale).

        “My point: Neither parent is home to make food like this – and too tired to bother. Parents each pass a dozen drive thru’s on the commute home – so convenience becomes the default – and with that comes the calories.”

        This is what it comes down to in my opinion. That’s the part that “costs” now that I shop/cook this way, is I’m spending shitloads of time cooking and cleaning frying pans and shit when before I would just pop into a fast food place, grab something made instantly or pre-made and toss the wrapper in the garbage after nice and quick. Also the meals are routine/repetitive lol but I use different spices and sauces to change the taste up. Even adding a bit more variety to what I’m doing now to keep kids from getting bored wouldn’t cost that much though. Nowhere near what getting oversized greasy fast food daily costs.

        But there’s a combination of nobody at home to invest the time in cooking like the old days where a grandma or mother would basically spend the day preparing meals and planning them out for the week so everyone is eating healthy, and girls these days not knowing how to cook because they’re eating garbage fast food and no one teaches them to cook. If I got married back in the day I got someone to make sure my kids were eating proper while I busted my ass at work…but now?

        My buddy is looking to settle down with his GF and start a family and she doesn’t cook and doesn’t want to be a housewife and is pursuing her career hardcore, and so is he. I’m like dude, sit down and think about this: who’s going to feed your kids? Are you going to work 80 hours a week to succeed at your career and then come home and cook a day’s worth of meals for them all? Are you going to make enough money to hire a personal chef to cook for them? Those kids are gonna need 3 healthy meals and a few healthy snacks per day or they’re going to just become obese fatties. Your girl has no cooking skills and yours are minimal at best. What’s going to happen is you’re going to give your kids money to buy their own food at school from junk food vending machines and greasy cafeteria garbage, you’re going to stock your pantry with instant garbage food like potato chips, and then you or your chick are going to grab some takeout on the way home and poison your kids through the entire first half of their life, and then be shocked when, as adults, they have no concept of healthy eating and are 100lbs overweight.

        A woman who enthusiastically enjoys cooking for others (they exist, I swear, I’ve met a few lol) is literally the top of my list (under “sexy as fuck”) for what I’d require to even REMOTELY consider settling down. ’cause if I do have kids someday, they’re not going to be scarfing down potato chips while they sit in front of an XBox 24/7.

        But like I say, women will figure this out within a couple generations when girls are babysat by their crazy cat lady auntie feminists who will die alone and bitter, and a few smart young hotties will realize learning to cook instead of learning to be an HR manager will land them a high-value man and from there it’ll spread like wildfire and we’ll end up back in traditional gender roles but under the guise of “this is my feminist choice to stay at home!” Like they’ll start promoting it as more feminist to want to nurture your family and shit lol it’ll be hilarious for those of us who remember the current situation.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 8:55 am Stinky Pinky

        @ YaReally

        Couldn’t agree more, Brother.

        Eating well costs less money – but you have to put in the time to work those pots and pans – and that’s where I see most people falling down. They’re money rich – and time poor.

        I see these domestic animal lifeforms all day – shuffling about from meeting to meeting – testing the structural integrity of their office chairs – moaning about some trivia – putting on the appearance of working just 5 minutes longer than their workaholic bosses so they won’t be seen leaving before them.

        Then gun their expensive cars into stand-still traffic, snatch up their kids from daycare, grab a bag of calories, then home to the sterile McMansion, a xanax and the 70″ big screen TV. And – Twice a week they take the kids to 45 minutes of indoor soccer – before locking them up again like a veal calves.

        I too want to believe that it’s coming full circle – with what’s tried and true and traditional returning in a shiney “new and improved” wrapper. I suspect the feminist shrieking, fat acceptance and go-grrll cheering will be loudest just before the change. It’s getting pretty loud.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 9:51 am martin

        I found a good article that aligns with my own personal experience. Food in France is very rich, yet they have a low obesity rate, particularly for western Europe. Above my belief is that bad habits from lack of being raised and disciplined correctly are what causes american obesity. When I said I suppose, the text stripped the context out, I meant that to mean “i suppose it is possible that” but my belief is really what I just stated because of the differences in habits Europeans have versus Americans. It is easy to blame it on the food but you can get fat on health food and it wouldn’t surprise me if Americans found a way to do that. Here is the article. http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2001-07-02/why-so-few-french-are-fat

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 4:43 pm YaReally

        @Stinky Pinky
        “Eating well costs less money – but you have to put in the time to work those pots and pans – and that’s where I see most people falling down. They’re money rich – and time poor. ”

        The sad part is they often AREN’T even time poor. They’re just wasting that time on YouTube and internet forums (like I am right now lol) and watching reality TV and movies on their 70″ TVs and shit. Can’t cook a healthy meal or I’ll miss watching a reality show where people are cooking!!! It’s retarded lol

        Same thing with exercise. I still make excuses to not do it but I KNOW I have a half hour every day to do SOME kind of exercise, I’m bullshitting myself when I tell myself I don’t have time for it.

        Same thing with sarging. 😉

        “I too want to believe that it’s coming full circle – with what’s tried and true and traditional returning in a shiney “new and improved” wrapper.”

        I’m just going by what I see in-field. I was worried about hitting 30 and doing pickup because in the 80s and 90s it was uncool to be an older guy at the bar. Old guys were all Danny Tanner, you’re supposed to dye your hair to cover up the grey etc. But then something happened in the mid/late 2000s and suddenly being an old dude is cool. I think it’s just that older guys started taking care of themselves more, dressing better, and becoming more like Clooney than Danny Tanner. Plus the culture became more beta chodey and older men are thought to be more alpha, etc. etc.

        I don’t really know what all caused it (though I bet I could break it down if I spent some time writing), all I know is that at 30+ I am getting retardedly good reception from the 20-25yo crowd that I completely didn’t expect back when I was 25 running game and worrying about turning 30. Like it’s almost easier to get those girls at 30+ than it was at 25.

        But I’m not going to marry a girl, and neither are a lot of guys who’ve seen their buddies’ wives get fat or not cook or divorce rape them etc. So naturally down the road women will start bringing more to the table again and being a housewife who loves exercise is going to be promoted by Jezebel as a proud feminist goal and the best way to land a man lol Maybe when all the Lindy Wests keel over from their fat-induced health problems.

        @martin
        “Food in France is very rich, yet they have a low obesity rate, particularly for western Europe.”

        Guessing that’s a portion size thing. Portions over here are fucking retarded and we tend to want to clean off our plate.

        Like NO ONE needs to consume this lol:

        Plus quality/health of the food in general. Classic example being pizza in Italy VS the American mutated version of pizza. Or traditional Chinese food and portion sizes VS what you get at the mall food court.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 5:10 pm Sentient

        @yareally “I don’t really know what all caused it (though I bet I could break it down if I spent some time writing), all I know is that at 30+ I am getting retardedly good reception from the 20-25yo crowd that I completely didn’t expect back when I was 25 running game and worrying about turning 30. Like it’s almost easier to get those girls at 30+ than it was at 25.

        Wait until you are 45… just gets even better. Women love the authenticity, the imprimatur of having been there and done that whatever “that” it is. They love men in command, of themselves and of them. Sure there is game and shit testing never stops, bet they know whats up and it is sweet and increasingly effortless when you know whats up as well and you know they know you know whats up.

        The vast majority of 26 YO boy men cannot compare at all to the average 40 YO guy, if that guy stops hiding behind all the societal BS and just acts like a man.

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 9:16 pm having a bad day

        @YaReally

        “I don’t really know what all caused it (though I bet I could break it down if I spent some time writing), all I know is that at 30+ I am getting retardedly good reception from the 20-25yo crowd that I completely didn’t expect back when I was 25 running game and worrying about turning 30. Like it’s almost easier to get those girls at 30+ than it was at 25.”

        you don’t need to reinvent the wheel…Rollo at Rational Male broke it down quite thoroughly…average peak SMV for girls = 23…for men = 37…but that’s just the bell curve peaks…the standard deviations are pretty wide for men…not so much for girls…lol…the wall ain’t no joke…

        more important though…girls really are STARVING for some authentic male attention…lol…it’s insane…you shouldn’t have ANY trouble…lol…the only thing you have to deal with regularly is the nasty looks from the ‘spinster’ crowd (mostly HR managers…lol) (who feel entitled to your attention…lol), while you kino some 22 yo hottie…

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      • on February 4, 2015 at 1:10 am Walky Talky

        @ HABD

        Left a reply for you on asshole game week: in pickup games offence is the best defence.
        please check that.

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      • on February 4, 2015 at 2:27 am walawala

        @YaReally agree. It’s about discipline and knowing what to pick, not spending money. When I moved away to Asia, at first it was so expensive living here and my salary was so low I had to find ways to save and eat healthy. The solution was chicken and rice noodle combinations, healthy, balanced and cheap.

        Also, I am very disciplined which is why for my age I look at least 10-15 years younger and younger chicks dig it not really caring about my age because I don’t look like what they think a 50 year old dude would look like: dad sweaters, pot-belly, shit clothes, bad haircut and lost look with the neediness and apologizing for wanting a younger girl but not wanting to seem like they want one. I digress.

        Healthy living is NOT expensive. Think about it: I go to the gym every day. It takes discipline. People say “I don’t have time….” then make time for drinks after work. You manage your day not others.

        On a side note, anyone watching the trailers for 50 Shades of Grey? Some great lines in the trailer.

        Look at how he passes shit tests:

        “You should stay clear of me” disqualification.

        “I don’t do romance”

        “My tastes are very singular, you wouldn’t understand them”

        I’m using these as texts…

        Looks cheesy: the whole Bruce Wayne shtick….

        9 1/2 Weeks was much slicker but badly edited, now clit lit is mainstream as feminists bash men then complain there aren’t enough guys out there like Christian Grey. Why wasn’t there any FRA in that book?

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      • on February 4, 2015 at 7:43 am having a bad day

        @walky talky

        done…

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  10. on January 31, 2015 at 2:14 pm secede

    half-sigma is a jew lawyer, so he’s a master of dissembling.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 3:30 pm Rum

      As opposed to the other kind of lawyers who always say exactly what they are thinking. Because their clients best interests are not really their concern…
      Or something.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 2:31 pm Arbiter

        This is a typical American thing, to hate lawyers. But that’s just because you have a system where people can get insanely high amounts of money from businesses, and where lawyers get a percentage of that money as their pay. In other countries you don’t get much in compensation for damages, and the lawyer doesn’t get a percentage of the compensation. So they are just people who fill a function just like everyone else. Also, for those who don’t know (which is practically everyone), most lawyers don’t spend much time in courtrooms. Lawyers who deal with crime cases, and with suing people, are the minority. Most of the work is spent on things like writing and reviewing contracts, writing wills, taking care of dead people’s debts and assets, overseeing divorces (another area Americans have screwed up due to alimonies, which don’t exist in other countries where you just divide assets according to how much you brought in), overseeing purchases of land, etc. The laws are extensive and the layman can’t know them all by himself, so he needs help.

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  11. on January 31, 2015 at 2:25 pm Anonymous

    Fat chicks are bad for morale.

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  12. on January 31, 2015 at 2:27 pm vikingbitch

    Reblogged this on vikingbitch's Blog and commented:
    The Manosphere is an interesting place for women that actually think. Yeah I bash on it at times, but I can’t disagree with ALL of it.

    Yes young White Girls are getting fatter. It is not a little junk in the trunk with a garden out front either.

    It is sad.

    I dunno. It is like in America, now Amurkistan, things are sooooo extreme. In the burbs and country, women are the size of a double wide. In the cities, you have your coked out looking porn stars and hard bodied girlz who are at Ballys twenties hours a week outside their non profit gig.

    There is no middle of the road anymore,but that’s what happens when the Glamour Core shitties suck the money out if the middle class and it is reduced to serfdom and eating processed food.

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 4:26 pm Arbiter

      I read your post “Viking Women Rejecting White Nationalism?”:

      It seems to me that White Nationalism in the USA aspires to be aristocratic, elitist or plantation like in its view of women, and really working class white people in general.
      …….
      White Nationalism will attract more white women when it frees itself from American elitism.

      Nonsense. Where is this “aritocratic, elitist” view of women as “tools”? Nationalism is the most meritocratic atmosphere you can find in the West, since it is unpaid and dangerous. Anyone who wants to step up and do more work can do so, and those who do more work will get a higher position. There are women in high positions. Nationalists never say that women are “tools” or anything close to it.

      The real reason women don’t join nationalism is because it is dangerous. People are physically attacked, and they are socially attacked by the media. They lose their jobs, their friends are afraid to go near them in case they’d also be ostrasized, it is almost impossible to find a partner when the media’s illegal hackers and others put your name out there. That’s what women don’t want. They want a safe and profitable future for themselves. They abandon their husbands and boyfriends when those are active nationalists, even when they agree with their politics, which contradicts what you say.

      Most men also want only a safe life for themselves. But there is a minority of men who think otherwise. Among women, that minority is about five times smaller.

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  13. on January 31, 2015 at 3:27 pm Buzz Nutter

    In North Coastal San Diego county everyone is skinny and fit but go inland 15 miles and it’s just like the flyover states.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 3:36 pm Tarl

      And those “skinny” women will walking into Whole Foods in their yoga outfits with their skanky tattoos showing, no kid in sight and no hope of having one now that their ovaries have expired (but they had great careers, yay!) oblivious to the squat mestizos who are prolifically outbreeding them.

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  14. on January 31, 2015 at 3:32 pm Sigrid Leifsdottir

    so many excuses for fat men on this site, it’s disgusting

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 5:25 pm Glengarry

      How can we go out and catch the fish without fat, Sigrid? How?

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 8:08 am theasdgamer

      Not as disgusting as the cellulite in your thighs. heh

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 11:58 am Sigrid Leifsdottir

        Does the rumbling of your fingers cause your gynecomastia to ripple when you type out your little replies?

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 1:27 pm theasdgamer

        You’ll speak more clearly once you take my c0ck out of your mouth.

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 2:43 pm Arbiter

      Not excuses for fat men. What CH writes is that overweight in a man matters less to women than overweight in a woman matters to men. This is true. It should be obvious from personal experience, and it is shown by research.

      How attracted a woman is to a man is more dependent of a mix of the Big Four: Looks, Personality, Money and Status. This is because a woman needs a man who can survive and survive well, thereby helping her to do the same. If he has friends and a stable job weigh in.

      How attracted a man is to a woman depends mostly on looks, followed by personality (which becomes more important as a long-term relationship is contemplated). This is because he needs a woman who is healthy, young and has the right proportions for producing good offspring. The hip-to-waist ratio plays a role here, as women with an ideal such ratio have an easier time having children and have fewer still-born children.

      Research also shows that a wife gaining weight causes more unhappiness for her spouse than a husband gaining weight causes unhappiness for his spouse.

      For another interesting study, women at OkCupid describe their ideal man’s ideal age as just a few years younger or older than their own. Men on OkCupid describe their ideal woman’s ideal age as 20-22. Regardless of their own age. The study doesn’t say why, but it’s obviously because of looks, where weight is a heavy factor.

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 8:47 pm Greg Eliot

      I thought Icelanders were supposed to be smart?

      Disparaging observations in re fat women do not, ipso facto, mean giving a pass to fat men.

      Is it just me, or is this a “woman’s mentality” thing… to automatically assume that decrying one foul thing means giving a pass to another that hasn’t even been mentioned? Or that praising X is somehow disparaging Y?

      (((shakin’ mah haid)))

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  15. on January 31, 2015 at 3:34 pm Rum

    Neanderthals lost out because they were excessively K selecting for the suddenly easy conditions that developed in Europe around 40,000 years ago.
    They built ships, by the way. And their music survives.
    Check out Pentangle – “Once I had A sweetheart.”

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 5:59 pm Hulegu Khan

      Give me a reference for the ships and music. I’d like to believe you, but I ‘m sceptical.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 9:37 am Rum

        Hulegu
        All of this discovery is in the early stages. It has only been 3-4 years that it has even been possible to reliably differentiate N. DNA.
        “Evidence suggests Neanderthals took to boats before modern humans.”
        phyorg.com 3-12
        “Neanderthals were sailing Mediterraneon 100,000 years ago.”
        Alasdair Wilkins.
        Basically, the support for this is the discovery of N. artifacts on islands that were not land-connected in the relevant time period.
        As for their music, they did make flutes out of bone. Anything else they made, like out of wood, could not have survived.
        Did they sound like my favorite obscure British folk group? Why not? Why not indeed.
        Intersting possiblity – that cave art in France is 100% Neanderthal produced. They did have larger eyes and larger visual/occipital cortexs than moderns. Moderns are so far unable to explain how those cave artists were able to work so well in such poor light or how the art produced could be appreciated – by moderns.
        Yet the art was produced and was appreciated. DNA analysis may settle this.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 9:50 am PA

        The Neanderthal vision: cave artists understood that a galloping horse is “walking” and not running, ie. at least one hoof is always in contact with the ground. That’s how cave paintings show horses in motion. Afterwards, modern humans forgot that fact, judging by modern depictions of galloping horses always having all four legs off the ground. It wasn’t until the invention of the camera that we learned that horses in fact “walk” when galloping.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 10:03 am PA

        I know somebody who looks uncannily like that: an American teenage friend of mine, with a German surname. Rosanna Arquette has that look too.

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 5:35 am Captain Obvious

      Sorry to rain on your parade, Rabbi Rumstein: Human and Neanderthal love affair is traced back to ISRAEL, 55,000 years ago http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/01/28/human-and-neanderthal-love-affair-is-traced-back-to-israel-55000-years-ago/

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 9:28 am Captain Obvious

        Chosenette Eve mudsharking herself with filthy vile obscene Shegetz badboy Neanderthal.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 10:01 am Rum

        Captain
        The successful population of Eur-Asia was carried out by a hybrid of (probably) Cro-Magnon/Neanderthal. Did that process begin on the east shore of the Mediterranean – the part of the world that came to be known as”The Cradle of Civilization?”
        I am really trying to get a sense of why I should feel rained on.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 9:05 pm Anonymous

        Jew women always have elephant thighs.

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 10:16 am Rum

      The female singer (Jackie McShay) in Pentangle looked – back in the day – very much like this. as did her band-mates. Who were all too introverted to cope with show business.
      Just a thought.

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  16. on January 31, 2015 at 3:41 pm duderino

    I have a dream that fat girls will get a scared straight program early in life. A reformed hambeast will tell them how much actual work it takes to downsize their pork. She’ll preach calories in/calories out aided by a satiating high protein diet. For every bullshit juicing/ magic pill program they buy they’ll also get a copy of Moby Dick. For every week they don’t lose weight they’re mailed a coupon for meow chow to get a head start on their depressing days of dander, doughnuts and dildos. Because they’re comes a point when your weight looks like a good batting average that even black guys won’t dick you. Real talk university is what we’ll call it and white women will get affirmative action grants. Slowly the blubber will recede and the sexbots will gain rust. Men in women will hold hands in Wisconsin, and the Mississippi delta, and the flyover country, and the men will be joyous that they hadn’t settled for pornhub. And the boners of America will rejoice,
    Free at last, Free at last, Good God almighty, Free at last!

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 3:56 pm l82dagame

      Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we can!

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  17. on January 31, 2015 at 4:13 pm theasdgamer

    If you are a lardass like I was, check out my post, “Dieting practices that work.”

    https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/dieting-practices-that-work/

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  18. on January 31, 2015 at 4:19 pm Richard Medicus

    My only problem with the BMI numbers is that the method of calculating the BMI changed around 1997. After the change the number of over weight people jumped tremendously.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 4:32 pm K

      “My only problem with the BMI numbers is that the method of calculating the BMI changed around 1997. After the change the number of over weight people jumped tremendously.”

      very true. i’ve always had pretty low body but a really stocky build so i weigh a lot for my size. i remember going to the gym once awhile back when i was in really great shape and i had a personal trainer say my BMI was way too high. i pulled up my shirt to show her my abs and asked if it looked like i was in the borderline obese range to her. kind of ridiculous how people use these tools and don’t consider any other factors. even doctors and personal trainers buy in to it.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 4:34 pm douchebagdeluxe

      No point in discussing BMI calculations and starting a semantics battle over the meaning of overweight or obese. Sure some guys are buff with a BMI over 25 but that’s the minority. So yeah you could make a contentious point about it but honestly who cares.

      BMI works pretty well for SMP female segregation. 25 is too big. Wanna call it fluffy or chubby instead of overweight, have at it, if you must.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 5:02 pm anonYmous

      Bmi was designed to approximate body fat compositions because at the time using skin fold, electrolysis or water chambers was to cumbersome to the masses. So they were lazy.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 8:15 pm Eliezer Ben Yehuda

      Try selling that fairytale to the people who design women’s garment patterns. They know the reality of increasing average-body-size in North America, better than anyone else in the USA.

      Lots of articles about it in the garment-trade blogosphere and magazines. Just google on “vanity sizing”

      Give Arbiter some ink; he’s cueing up a posting on the Jewish conspiracy to bulk up white women.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 11:28 pm anonYmous

        I hung out with a chick who did corporate auditing of stores. She said the number one thing that gets stolen is small womens panties. I thought that was funny.

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      • on January 31, 2015 at 11:47 pm Carlos Danger

        In the US its a combination of way too much crappy, high calorie food and too little exercise.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 11:49 am Anonymous

        That’s easy Jew. He’s written it. Jews created feminism. A key point of feminism is “don’t try to look good for men.” Feminism is directly responsible for the obesity problem, along with Jewish monetary system (corn subsidies).

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  19. on January 31, 2015 at 4:24 pm Will

    HOLY DEAR LORD. A BMI of >30 is absurdly fat. A BMI of >40 is like wheel chair fat. Wtf that is so obese!

    I’m attracted to girls with BMI 17-22. That’s it anything different I won’t be able to get a boner.

    Also off-topic (ch would prob agree with me on this): regarding the whole jerk and asshole personality to pull girls. I think it’s important not to get caught up with huge asshole game with your gf. I think it’s almost just as effective to be a HUGE asshole to other people when you gf is with you and watching. Although you want the asshole seasoning on the relationship, I will say too much of it is easy to do and could be counterproductive. And instead being a huge assholeness to other people you have more room to spare instead of crossing a line

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 8:31 pm SC

      Are you sure you want to be with girls whose BMI’s are in the 17-18 range? Cause 90% of females with BMI’s that are 18 and below have almost no T&A, including yours truly. Sure, occasionally you get a girl like Antonella Roccuzzo, but most girls who are like her or even skinnier look sorta pre-pubescent or mid-pubescent.

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  20. on January 31, 2015 at 4:28 pm theasdgamer

    Oh, have been getting back into the mating pool, so to speak. Field report follows.

    Asked a blond twice if she wanted to be dipped. (setting up a 5h1t-test) “No.” I dipped her anyway and she loved it. Demonstration of dominance = DHV.

    Last night I told her to kiss me and she kissed me on the cheek. Told her the lips, too, but she refused. (Her daughter was present c0ckbloking.) She invested time in persuading me to buy a drink named after her daughter, then walked me over to the bar to talk to the bartender who knew the drill. I challenged her with, “So, are you gonna give me your phone no.?” She refused, saying that she was married. Then she 5h1t-tested, “Didn’t you notice?” “No, I wasn’t paying attention.” [cue amused mastery smile] Not haaappy about her marriage. I concurred about mine. So she challenged me about not wearing my ring. I just smiled and said that I outgrew it.

    I went and danced with some other women. The daughter left. When I came back to the blond, she was out freestyling and grinding on another woman. Then she turned and starting grinding on me. Last call came and I left.

    I’ll update if there’s a later.

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  21. on January 31, 2015 at 5:02 pm martin

    I have it on good authority that LotB weighs 24 stone and is only 5 feet 2 inches. He goes around on one of those electric cart thingies.

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  22. on January 31, 2015 at 5:24 pm Justin

    I don’t disagree with you, the data speak for themselves, but I don’t get why you go after LotB. His blog was better in the half sigma days, but is he really the most worthy target for your limited energy? Do y’all have bad blood?

    [CH: i actually like the guy (or rather his net persona), so when i guide him away from dimmed habits of mind i do it as a magnanimous gesture to restore his credibility.]

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 12:49 am gurshar1

      http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/1016-crimes-of-the-jew-that-led-to-the-holocaust/page__st__20#entry124909

      ”
      ‘It’s amazing how much an atheist Jew gets a hard-on for religious violence when its his tribe at stake.’

      this is why I will always hate Jews “

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 8:33 pm SC

      I also like Lion of the Blogosphere. I like how he sees through the BS and can tread a path that’s neither feminist nor MRA, neither anti-White nor WN. He’s not perfect but he’s closer to the truth than most people are on most topics.

      [CH: i like him, but that doesn’t mean he’s closer to the truth than others. he has a peculiar inability to deal with obesity in an objective manner and just forget about him ever grasping basic game concepts without the crutch of a thousand strawmen. but… he’s useful on some topics.]

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 11:17 pm SC

        When I said that he’s closer to the truth than most people, I meant that he is closer to the truth on matters of race and gender. I don’t read his posts on obesity, climate change, or gay people because I’m not interested in those topics.

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  23. on January 31, 2015 at 5:32 pm Dan in ATL

    Anyone who leaves their basement knows that every demographic group is getting fatter. But the cdc is the “source” that told us 1 in 4 college girls has been raped.

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 11:19 pm SC

      Is every demographic group getting fatter, or is just most demographic groups? I feel like upper class White Americans have stayed the same weight mostly while it’s Colored people and White proles who have gained a ton of weight in the past few decades. Maybe by the mid-century, the only non-obese people left will be all be living in upper class White enclaves.

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  24. on January 31, 2015 at 5:32 pm JWRebel

    The Manhattan part is definitely true. On vacation from Europe my teen-age daughters noticed the people in Manhattan weren’t (as) fat as all the other places we had visited. European trend is the same, but there’s a 40 year lag on this trend.

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  25. on January 31, 2015 at 5:35 pm Lucky White Male

    Please tell me why White Girls WOULDN’T get fat :

    1. Pussy younger Millenial guys now talking with what is apparently an epidemic of lisps — when you cannot even project masculinity to girls, why should White Girls worry about their weight

    ( https://twitter.com/Krauserpua/status/559424628406640640)

    2. Cathedral propaganda that ‘beauty is on the inside’ from age 5

    3. 90% of Men still blue pill and will tolerate any body look, no matter how fat, in order to get a hand job let alone sex

    2 Point Plan:

    1. A small cult of Red Pill / PUA ‘fat shaming’. Since fatness is not genetic, but chosen, there is nothing wrong with this and we are doing service to humanity.

    Roosh has already begun this noble cause.

    2. Any PUA reading this has an obligation to strictly toe the line with all in their current harem — REGULARLY bring up the subject of weight with their bitches.

    Remind your girls that you WILL regularly be carrying out periodic

    ASS-SESSMENTS of they figure.

    “SHAME” is one of the great SALVES of society. It keeps people on the straight and narrow, where they need to be. It preserves the sex roles.

    Yes – a Man who is acting unmanly deserves to be shamed

    Likewise – a WOMAN acting or looking unwomanly, deserves to be shamed – because femininity is the true end of her nature. She will be most happy and men most happy with her, when she is most feminine. And a girl is most feminine, among other things, when she accentuates her beauty to the utmost by watching her figure.

    If Power is the essence of Masculinity, Beauty is that of Femininity.

    Gentlemen – these broads are already using SHAME on men. It is possibly the favorite tactic of feminists.

    Do not hesitate, as a Man, to return the favor

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  26. on January 31, 2015 at 5:40 pm White Women Are Getting Fatter Too | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  27. on January 31, 2015 at 6:50 pm PA

    OK, I never thought I’d ask YaReally a Game question, different worlds and all. But I’m curious of your perspective here: how do you avoid scarcity mentality, given that even if you are ahead of the male pack, you are still dealing with obesity-scoured sexually market?

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 5:26 am Sentient

      I find hot girls are competitive with each other and fat girls cannot handle being around too many hot girls unless it’s forced socialization like a school or sorority. After this they may have a few hot friends but not many, the 23 and older hot girls often have few friends at all because the uglier girls are so judgemental and give them so much passive aggressive shit . So if they have friends its often just a couple of other hot girls. Now as a group they aren’t competition as much with each other and realize the benefit of mutually hanging out going out etc. They have a little clique going. These cliques will hit the highest value places in General so upscale lounges hot restaurants and nice clubs at different Times of the night, in expensive parts of the city. So it’s not unicorn hunting on average these venues will have a higher number of hot girls.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 1:35 pm YaReally

        @Sentient
        “These cliques will hit the highest value places in General so upscale lounges hot restaurants and nice clubs at different Times of the night, in expensive parts of the city.”

        yup. Like I’ve said before, starting at 5 min into this video:

        Shortened version, Tyler’s actual video is much better: “First of all I have to deal with even getting IN the club when I’m living in a major city. This is Los Angeles. I never see most of YOU in the clubs I go to…because most of YOU can’t get in. Most of YOU guys go to “General Audience” clubs, don’t you. And you wonder why, in a city like LA, there’s not a lot of hot women. That’s ’cause all the hot women are where *I* am. You guys don’t GO to the good clubs. And you want to know WHY you guys don’t go to the GOOD clubs? ’cause you can’t deal with the bullshit. It’s too hard for you. Because to get into the good clubs in LA, here are your choices: You either pay $700-$2000 for a bottle. Anyone here looking to do that? I’m not I go out 7 nights a week. Or you’re VERY good looking. And you have a group of highly attractive women that will roll into the venue WITH you that will get you in, and even THEN the bouncer will make you sit out there waiting like a dog, like you’re a piece of dirt for wanting to come to their venue.” – Tyler in the video above

        Plenty of hot girls, if you know where to look. They’re not at your local shit-hole meat-market dive-bar lol These are the girls that hot girls don’t tell they’re going out when they go to the good clubs because the bouncers won’t let them in because they brought ugly friends.

        If you don’t WANT to deal with all that (and by “deal” with that I mean “basically be a social cool guy to everyone and give people value and network”) because you have this bitter angsty “fuck all these shallow people wahh wahh”, then enjoy your fatties at your local dive bar lol

        “wahh wahh I live in Podunk Nowhere and there’s just fatties at the local bar I like going to cause it doesn’t charge cover and there’s no dress code.”

        Move…or STFU lol

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 8:32 am Tilikum

      Not Ya but consider changing your paradigm.

      Stop worrying about married chicks and chicks with BFs being “taken” and out of your range. To a one, their “men” are all Beta or worse. If she had her Alpha, you couldn’t turn her head. Give them the right incentives and they will kill babies for you ( and enjoy the drama AND keep your secret between you).

      Increase your “pool of available buyers” by several hundred percent instantly.

      In spite of the classicist yarns spun here and in greater media, there is NO reason whatsoever to be the sheepdog. Be the wolf. (homage to the chokingly disgusting Beta filled tale told in “American Sniper”. What a piece of shit. Reinforces for me that the VAST majority of American men aren’t fit for combat anymore…..what has feminism wrought? Shrew wives and “honor” filled twinks)

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 6:30 pm Rum

        I have not seen the movie so I will refrain from commenting on it. On the other hand, I grew up around a lot of guys like Chris Kyle. And 200 plus Iraqi scumbags are still dead.
        The reason to be a Sheepdog is that you can do it for a lot longer.

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 12:56 am Arbiter

        Stop worrying about married chicks and chicks with BFs being “taken” and out of your range. To a one, their “men” are all Beta or worse. If she had her Alpha, you couldn’t turn her head. Give them the right incentives and they will kill babies for you

        More chest-beating from the lonely keyboard warrior Tilikum, pathetic. How do you know he’s full of shit? He has no nuance, he just tries to “win” by talking about how ALPHA he is.

        You also know he’s full of shit because of the classic lonely omega tell, hatred of women. Others know men and women are different and why. Tilikum exploits any opportunity to declare how women are evil. Here are some of his hilarious statements:

        “A woman is not a person”
        “Who the fuck cares what a woman thinks?” (Um, CH? ROK writers? Tyler? Anyone who does actual pickup?)
        “Women are not human beings”
        “Amy send your email to my blog I want to ask you something”

        The last one made me laugh. But to ask someone like that to be consistent is meaningless. The “WOMEN ARE EVIL!” omegas will always seek the attention of women online. Even if they can only get it by attacking the women for “not having babies” or whatever; anything to get a reply. Then a real woman has written back to him! Something for him to jerk off to.

        Now crawl back into hiding, little loner. You have revealed you don’t even know what a gym looks like, and you curse “gym rats with tanning salons” showing that what you have heard of gyms comes from the 1980s. So you’re an old, fat loner. You’re nothing.

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 7:50 am Sentient

        @Yareally said “my game is sharpened by trying to solve all these puzzles to figure out how to turn things around instead of just writing the girl of as a “stupid cunt…NEXT!!!” to preserve my ego.

        Excellent stuff. Every girl has a Rubic’s Cube in her head, that when solved leads to sex. How fast can you solve it? Are you man enough to solve it? GGGR!

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 1:55 pm themanofmystery2

        Sorry, but taking girls that are taken by other men carries a risk premium of having your ass beat or getting shot.

        She better be REALLY fucking hot. Also, I’m morally against female infidelity for myriad reasons, many of which are outlined here in this very blog by der fuhrer.

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 2:10 pm Sentient

        @themanofmystery2 said “I’m morally against female infidelity”

        That’s cool, to each his own. But realize that women are BIOLOGICALLY against fidelity. It’s an unnatural state for them. So proceed with eyes open.

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 2:27 pm Amy

        “But realize that women are BIOLOGICALLY against fidelity. It’s an unnatural state for them.”

        Huh? No way. MEN are biologically against fidelity. When’s the last time you had to pressure a girl who’s into you into exclusivity? We WANT monogamy and commitment (with a strong man).

        That said, I don’t think leaving a BF for another man, assuming no cheating overlap, is “infidelity”. A girl is under no obligation to stay with a man she isn’t married to.

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      • on February 4, 2015 at 11:45 am Sentient

        @amy said “MEN are biologically against fidelity. When’s the last time you had to pressure a girl who’s into you into exclusivity? We WANT monogamy and commitment (with a strong man).”

        You say that now because you are [possibly] pre wall and have yet to land a beat provider, let alone an alpha male. alpha fuks beta buks. Once you have commitment from anyone you will still want to get a dose of alpha seed. Now you may not act on it. But you still want it.

        On the Plains of Ur this played out when the husband was away form the village, maybe in the fields and the wife took her washing down to the river, knowing an alpha warrior may be there, or at least hoping. She is there to do her washing, not to cheat, HOWEVER when he takes her behind the bushes and it JUST HAPPENS, she doesn’t stop it. A child is born 9 months later. raised by the beta as his own. [FYI there are studies that have shown ovulating women prefer more masculine men than their partners, don’t have the links]

        Today it plays out when a married 30 YO is on a business trip, and she just HAPPENS to have ONE GLASS of white wine and check some emails on her phone, alone at the lobby bar at 9PM. And when she meets an alpha guy, and her attraction is spiked and well IT JUST HAPPENS, she never tells her husband. But she knew waaaay waaay back in the brain stub, what she wanted and what MIGHT happen merely by walking in there.

        Women do very little by accident.

        This scene is so predictable now that it is retarding my game. Sidle up to the single or try and game a couple of girls out on the town?

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      • on February 4, 2015 at 12:41 pm theasdgamer

        @ Sentient

        Amy, like all women, feel that she is entitled to optimize her hypergamy–a LTR with someone who fulfills both her AF/BB requirements.

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      • on February 4, 2015 at 12:44 pm theasdgamer

        @ Amy

        “When’s the last time you had to pressure a girl who’s into you into exclusivity?”

        Lol, Girls Night Out. Facebook, Tinder.

        She says that she wants exclusivity, but if her LTR isn’t around, she’ll go for the hottest swingin’ d1ck around. Or if Daddy Warbucks shows up, she’ll upscale.

        “It’s the hypergamy, stupid.”

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 12:23 pm YaReally

      @PA
      Long one lol:

      “how do you avoid scarcity mentality, given that even if you are ahead of the male pack, you are still dealing with obesity-scoured sexually market?”

      Because when the average guy walks into a room of 50 girls and 45 of them are fat and 5 of them are hot, they’re going to end up with one of those 50 girls. When I walk into the same room, I’m going to end up with one of the 5 hot ones. The other 45 fat ones are either irrelevant to me or are pawns I’ll use to get one of the 5 hot ones (unless I get super fucking wasted lol).

      This is where oldschool PUA game comes into play. A lot of the Manosphere and Red Pill is focused on “build your value and then the hot girls will just magically notice you or if you approach them they’ll be more receptive to you”…but that’s basically looking at game as a 1-on-1 tool and playing a numbers game.

      Oldschool PUA (specifically Mystery Method’s group theory, but check out Gambler’s Stealth Attraction stuff as well for some newer tactics) was about using everything around you to build your value (or the illusion of it) to the girl.

      So Joe Red Pill Manosphere finishes his workout at the gym and is feeling the pump in his muscles and he just worked an 80 hour work week to make money for his new suit with matching pocket square he’s wearing out to the club tonight and he rolls in and finds the hottest girl and strides up to her, confident as balls and says “hey, you’re adorable I had to come say hi” and he crosses his fingers that he’s built his value enough outside of the club that she’s going to notice it radiating from him and be into him. And if she isn’t then he hits the gym a few extra hours a week and saves up for an even nicer suit, maybe a new car, then he approaches another girl the same way and hopes his value is radiating enough. Or he sits back and hopes those girls will approach HIM.

      And that can work, it’s just inconsistent and a HUGE overall time investment for wildly unpredictable results. And a lot of other guys are trying that method too, so you send that guy into a room of 45 uggos and 5 hotties and who knows what he’s walking out of there with, pay attention at 2am and you’ll notice a lot of those guys end up taking home the average/ugly chicks because those chicks were aggressive and the guy is bummed the hot girls didn’t notice him and needs his ego boosted with some easy validation and hopefully no one will find out or he’ll play it off like “I just did it for laughs lolololz”c

      Joe PUA goes to the club and he’s the first one there (to avoid paying cover lol), chatting up the bartenders and bouncers, just shooting the shit and building some rapport with them as people start to arrive. He chats with some friendly uggos as the place fills up and by the time the club has a decent crowd he’s met a few groups of people who all think he’s cool and uggo chicks who want to bone him. When the night is still starting out and all the guys are too chickenshit to approach as they down their liquid courage, Joe PUA pulls out an old PUA move (credit to BradP I believe) and goes up to one of the 5 hottest girls in the bar, that everyone has on their radar, and disqualifies himself to her with some indirect shit like “hey I’m buying my GF a gift and bla bla” etc.

      Because he’s going indirect and disqualifying himself immediately she can’t really reject him and because he’s funny and his situation is interesting they get into a nice little convo where the rest of the bar, including the other 4 hot girls, are all watching him, everyone wondering when she’s going to shoot him down or how he’s going to do (no one would care if he’s approaching a 7 at 1am, but walking up to one of the hottest girls/tables in the room at 10pm is a note-worthy event to people). As he’s talking to her he pulls out his phone and txts his “girlfriend” something related to their conversation then shows the girl the screen to see “what do you think of this txt before I send it?” He thanks her and puts his phone away and walks away.

      What actually happened? Nothing. Friend zone shit at best, that girl will probably be friendly to him if he talks to her again but he’s not fucking her. But what did everyone else see? From their perspective this guy just walked up to one of the hottest girls in the bar and got her phone number because he went through the same motions you do when you open, chat, pull out your phone, have her confirm the name/number, and put it away. Now the other 4 hot girls have this guy on their radar and he has some automatic respect from guys in the room who all wish they were able to do that. As he walks past another of the hot girls he opens one of the sets of uggos beside her that he befriended earlier in the night and they love him and giggle away and he catches the hot girl’s eye and then walks away instead of hitting on her.

      He goes outside and on his way out tells the bouncers he’s going to buy smokes or whatever and will be back in like 10 min and makes sure they recognize his face and shake their hand. He goes around the corner to another bar and does some cold approaching, maybe grabs a quick #, then heads back to the club 15 min later when there’s a nice big line-up outside. He walks past the lineup making eyes with the girls in it, specifically the one hot girl, maybe he does something as he passes her like drops his keys and picks them up so that she has to notice him, and then he just walks up to the bouncers, shakes their hand, and walks in.

      What did that 1 hot girl in that lineup of uggos see? This guy is some VIP dude who just skips the line and walks into this club she’s been waiting in line to get into, she’s going to remember that when she sees him inside later. Credit to Gambler for this one.

      Back inside the club he notices one of the other hot girls is at the bar lined up to get a drink from the bartender he chatted up and charmed at the start of the night so he goes up beside her and the bartender passes her up for him, or at least passes some other guys up for him. Maybe he even remembers his drink. Now that one is wondering who he is. (my buddies and I used to get let in dressed in plain clothes in front of groups of dolled up hotties trying to flirt their way in, the looks on their faces were fucking hilarious, you better bet they remembered us when we saw them inside later and said “hey, you finally made it” lol)

      None of this has really cost the PUA any money. It’s just social strategy and understanding people’s perceptions, but using stuff like this he’s going to end up on the radar of the hot girls in the room because they’re looking for the highest-value guys in the room. That pocket-square guy looks good but he’s been sitting in a corner for a while or leaning against the bar not talking to anyone but his one buddy for a while, etc.

      So those girls are going to start doing pAImAI putting themselves in the PUAs path trying to get his attention hoping he’ll open them, and when he does finally bring them into his conversation with some uggos or just straight-up approach her, the approach is warm as fuck because as far as those hot girls are concerned this is some guy who knows the staff, has lots of friends, skips the lineup, got a number from one of the other hottest girls, etc. I’ve been asked if I’m the owner of the club a few times.

      Meanwhile the dude is actually some guy who’s just read some PUA shit and applied it lol He didn’t spend 80 hours of his week in an office or 2 hours a day in the gym, he might not even be all that great looking and, in fact, that could even help create more mystery about who he is if he DOESN’T look the part of a high-status guy but he seems to be treated like one. Everyone subconsciously knows the highest value guy in a high-end club with a strict dress code is usually the dude in sneakers and a t-shirt because the fact that he’s even IN there looking like that shows that he’s above the rules normal people are subjected to.

      And he can duplicate this stuff anywhere at any time because he understands the social dynamics behind what’s going on. So he’s sitting in an airport and ya, he could just sit right beside the hot girl and chat her up directly and roll the dice. Or he could be aware of her and DHV in front of her a bit, ask the ticket clerk chick a question and get her giggling, then sit near the hot girl and make the old lady beside him lol, maybe chat up a friendly old dude, and then bring the hot girl into his conversation and smoothly transition to her. Now she’s seen him DHV a ton before he even acknowledges her. She also feels more like she’s selected/chosen him than him choosing her so it feels more natural like she earned him or won his attention rather than he’s on the hunt and just picked her because she’s hot.

      That’s not even getting into stuff like using the uggos as pivots to get the hot girls’ attention and create jealousy plotlines, or longer gambits like chatting girls in the line till it gets close to the door then instead of going in go to the back of the line and line up again behind some more girls and chat them up, and do that for an hour so that when he finally enters the club he’s got like 6 groups of girls who all know him from the lineup that he can say hi to, making other girls wonder “who is this guy who knows all these girls??”

      I mean, if you line up for the bar, do you just go line up as soon as you get near the bar? Or do you wait nearby for a few minutes until a set of cute girls lines up and then line up right behind them so you can chat them up? If you’re doing the former instead of the latter then you’re stupid and missing opportunities that could improve your results lol Or your goal is to get in the bar not get laid. If you just want to get drunk and listen to music, do that at home for free. If you go out, go out with intent and play it smart.

      And those are just a handful of things off the top of my head that you can do any given night out, even a solo night in a new city where you’ve never been to that club before and don’t know anyone.

      There are longer-term strategies like actually befriending the staff of a place so you can always skip the line for real and then going out to the line and picking some hot girls and bringing them in with you under the guise of being your friends/girlfriend/girlfriend’s friends/etc. Or chatting up important people in value-giving ways where like the guy with bottle service invites you to join his group because you threw some girls at him and now you’re drinking for free with the “important” people. I used to go to the club early when it was empty and chat with the bartender and get her to let me sit in the comfortable VIP booths since there’s no one here yet and don’t worry I’ll move soon as people start coming in and I would just sit there with my drink as people arrived and for the first half hour to any girls who walk in it looks like I had a VIP booth and just got there before my friends lol Befriending the high energy flirty shooter girls so they regularly run up to you and hug you to say hi, but purposely making sure that they see you at the EXACT moment you “HAPPEN” to be beside a couple of the 5 hot girls in the room so that they see her run over and shove her tits at you hanging off you asking how you’ve been.

      And then there’s all of Mystery’s mixed set group theory stuff, where maybe those 5 hot girls are already with guys, but by understanding group theory you know how to work your way into the set and demonstrate just slightly higher value than the guys in her group to get the girls curious or engaged enough to chase you so it doesn’t really matter that they’re with guys and, often, those guys just make you look cooler when you befriend them because you’re the shiny new toy in the group to the girls.

      There’s so much more than just the one on one pickup stuff that most people focus on. But everyone laughs at Mystery and his fuzzy hat and is all gung-ho on talking shit about how PUAs are too pussy-obsessed and you should just hit the gym more bro etc.

      Even RSD etc. don’t really focus on this stuff as much now because I think they figured out that people just don’t want to learn it. It’s too much. No one wants to read/watch Mystery Method or go practice it, they want bite-size 10 minute feel-good instant cures. And those are the things that are popular in the Red Pill and Manosphere because they’re easy to digest and fast to implement. They don’t require a lot of study or hours and hours in-field to grasp the nuances and learn to make this stuff second-hand nature.

      And that’s a shame because PUA really was an art form in the old days. Sure it was a lot to digest, but if half the shit I just described made anyone reading go “woah, I never thought of that”, it’s because no one is studying the oldschool stuff anymore. Everything I just wrote about is documented here and there or easy to come up with when you understand the overall concepts/mechanics of DHV’ing.

      So to answer your question:

      As a PUA I have a ton of little tricks like the above that, when done properly, stack the odds in my favor dramatically and mean the 5 hot girls in that obesity-scoured club are going to be curious about me and warm to my approach. A normal guy has to worry about the 45 other fatties because he’s rolling the dice playing the numbers game…but those fatties are irrelevant to a good PUA.

      So why would a bunch of fatties bother me? I’M not the one who has to fuck them lol

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 2:12 pm theasdgamer

        Meh, I just brute force my way past all that tactical BS. I’ll ask the fatties first: “Wanna dance?” I may ask 16 times and get 16 rejections in a couple of minutes (as opposed to the hours that you suggest investing in building up social status). I’ll eventually catch some hottie’s eye and she’ll wanna dance. Bulldoze past her 5h1t-tests straight off. Then eye game as we dance to sexualize and build a playful vibe (lead a move where I can lead with my hand on her upper glutes–never ever had a woman complain about that) and I’ll say some stupid 5h1t and get some logistical info about her; chat after, get her phone, enter my no. and text myself.

        Or I’ll teach broads how to dance and after five dances with them laser-staring at me (it’s kind of creepy, but also kind of exciting) they’ll have this dance fantasy going and have a crush on me. Lots of hugs typically follow. Just suggest chatting somewhere inconspicuous (away from c0ck-blocking friends) once the hugs start (where you can kino and incrementally build comfort and attraction).

        Dance Instruction Game relies on dominance/submission psychology where the instructor is inherently dominant and the student is submissive. The instructor has high status and this builds attraction in women as they seek to please the instructor and gain his approval. They do most of the work trying to submit and automatically building attraction.

        Or some broad from my social circle will do the b00b or butt-graze/pat after we dance. Or get all over me while we dance. When I ask for their numbers in front of other people in my social circle and suggest going out, they get validation because I asked.

        The clubs I go to have both my social circle and nightclub elements. I’m in flyover country and there’s no line.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 2:34 pm YaReally

        @theasdgamer
        “Meh, I just brute force my way past all that tactical BS.”

        Lemme fix that for you: “Meh, I just brute force my way past all that tactical BS by investing a good chunk of my time earlier in life learning to develop a high-value skillset (dancing) that I can now DHV just like YaReally explained by using that skill I invested time in to demonstrate my value and get the attention of the hot girls just like YaReally explained so that when I approach them they’re already warm to me like YaReally just explained.”

        Your post is basically saying “I don’t bother with that “driving” BS…I just get in a box with wheels on it and press a pedal down with my foot and turn a circle to aim the box until I’m at my location.”

        Like ya, good on you, you’re doing it right. I fully support your method. This is just another way of doing what you’re doing without having to dance lol If a guy has a way of DHV’ing huge like teaching girls how to dance or playing in a band in the venue etc., great, use that shit. But if your way of DVH’ing huge is “looking handsome and having a suit”, well, there are a dozen other guys standing beside you on death row leaning against the bar using that exact same tactic so you’re not really standing out to the top girls in the room is all. And when that room is 45 uggos and 5 hotties, it’s time to step up your DHV’ing so you’re not having to go home with an uggo.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 9:43 am kant

        @yareally “And that’s a shame because PUA really was an art form in the old days. Sure it was a lot to digest, but if half the shit I just described made anyone reading go “woah, I never thought of that”, it’s because no one is studying the oldschool stuff anymore. Everything I just wrote about is documented here and there or easy to come up with when you understand the overall concepts/mechanics of DHV’ing.”

        I’m not really worried about losing that domain of PUA knowledge.. Mastering DHVing and group dynamics at a nightclub is such a specialized skill set it’s sort of like wanting to get in shape and taking up hardcore bodybuilding to do it–it’s totally overkill, really fucking hard and outside the realm of possibility for the 99% of guys who lack the time capability or inclination to be up at 3am at crowded nightclubs every weekend competing with other men at Olympics level socializing.

        What does suck though is the current community trend of ‘screening’, putting in large numbers and nexting any girls who aren’t ‘green’ and don’t play along immediately. This is misguided because even though you can’t win them all, a lot of the time it really is your fault that you fucked up and didn’t get the girl. We should be working on our skills so that when we do meet an exceptional girl that we have a very high chance at getting her. Not just next!, but how did I fuck up and how can I do better in the future?

        Most game advice these days is too focused on just one aspect of male-female dynamics. RSD = fun fratboy game, CH = alpha asshole game, GLL = looks and screening game, Sleazy = superquick escalation game, 60YOC = sexual tension game, etc

        Recently Gunwitch posted on sedfast and noted that the magic pill in game IS understanding the complexities of Emotional (buying temp spikes, comfort and rapport), Social (alpha / dominance), and Sexual (sexual-vibe) factors of attraction and leveraging all of those concurrently to effectively game a girl. If any of those is missing then you’re relying on luck to some extent. I’d agree with that — game is complex and multifaceted, and we are doing ourselves a disservice by ignoring that fact.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 11:33 am Hook or Crook

        if half the shit I just described made anyone reading go “woah, I never thought of that”, it’s because no one is studying the oldschool stuff anymore.

        The “get in line/circle back and get in line again” thing blew my mind, and everything here is gold. I read it all twice. Major thanks.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 4:07 pm YaReally

        @kant
        “What does suck though is the current community trend of ‘screening’, putting in large numbers and nexting any girls who aren’t ‘green’ and don’t play along immediately. This is misguided because even though you can’t win them all, a lot of the time it really is your fault that you fucked up and didn’t get the girl. We should be working on our skills so that when we do meet an exceptional girl that we have a very high chance at getting her. Not just next!, but how did I fuck up and how can I do better in the future?”

        Agree with all of this. There’s a reason Mystery’s goal in the old days was “5 for 5”. Because using Mystery Method and the old tech, 5 for 5 was actually an attainable goal. We weren’t just going for whichever random girl will take us, we were picking the girls we wanted and when we got in set going “ok this girl gives NO fucks about me…now how can I change that and get her to chase me?”

        I can’t even count the number of times girls were surprised we hooked up because I’m not normally their type (they’ll flat out tell me that lol). Like they don’t even really understand what happened because objectively looking at me they’ve never been attracted to guys like me. So a lot of guys gaming now would get a cold initial reception from her and just “Next” her (can’t Next a girl you haven’t fucked, if she isn’t into you that’s her Next’ing YOU).

        But with oldschool game I’m flipping all the right switches with my game that “her type” normally flips and they end up sleeping with me and then being like “I don’t get it, I shouldn’t be into this guy”.

        It was a lot more like puzzle solving VS the shotgun numbers game guys are running now. That’s a big part of why I don’t flinch when girls are initially unreceptive to me…in my mind it doesn’t matter, because I’ll win them over. In practice I might NOT, but I’ll stand a pretty damn good chance of it.

        Now does that mean these girls are going to be good for long term investment? Not necessarily, because probably the ones that will be good LTRs are the ones that you instantly have chemistry with, not the ones you have to puzzle solve to get. But 1) who cares lol I want fuckbuddies not an LTR, 2) if I decide I DO want an LTR then I just pick from the girls I have instant chemistry with, and 3) my game is sharpened by trying to solve all these puzzles to figure out how to turn things around instead of just writing the girl of as a “stupid cunt…NEXT!!!” to preserve my ego.

        There’s also the Pleasure of Sex VS Thrill of the Hunt thing. A PoS guy will find all of this a waste of time…he’s happy going home with a convenient 6. A TotH guy would rather work the 9 and fuck up at the last step and go home solo than take home a convenient 6. I’m a TotH guy, so the puzzle solving aspect of this appeals to me more than it would to a PoS guy.

        Whatever makes a guy happy is cool, but personally I think it’s a shame that the art-form as a whole isn’t really being practiced. It’s like watching painters only use one color out of the box of paints…they can still make nice art, but there’s a lot of potential that they’re never going to tap into.

        There is a VERY different feeling between picking up a girl who’s immediately into you and does half the work for you and you spam-approached 10 girls to find one that chose you and she looks good enough to bang, and picking a very specific girl that specifically appeals to you and blowing through any resistance she gives to land that specific target you chose.

        Some guys don’t care, esp the PoS guys, but that’s cool. Long as they’re getting the results they want I’m happy for them lol

        “Mastering DHVing and group dynamics at a nightclub is such a specialized skill set it’s sort of like wanting to get in shape and taking up hardcore bodybuilding to do it–it’s totally overkill, really fucking hard and outside the realm of possibility for the 99% of guys who lack the time capability or inclination to be up at 3am at crowded nightclubs every weekend competing with other men at Olympics level socializing.”

        Ya, it’s why I just dump a ton of information for free. I know nobody who read the post I just wrote is actually going to go re-line up in a bar line-up over and over again for an hour to fill the club with girls who recognize them when they walk in just to see what happens the way I used to. I’m not worried that next time I hit the bar every guy who walks in is going to know half the girls in the bar from running that lineup trick and there’ll be no girls left for me lol

        People think I’m some pussy/game-obsessed freak but it’s just a hobby I’m into the same way a bodybuilder watches his macros and knows obscure shit about bodybuilding that the average person doesn’t care about, or a music buff knows all the obscure indie bands and the names of drummers and shit. My hobby just comes with the bonus of directly leading to getting pussy lol

        This shit isn’t hard…it just takes carving out a chunk of time to practice it and getting out in-field. Most of this is all auto-pilot for me at this stage. It sounds intricate when I write it out but it’s just an instant thought to me in-field because I go out regularly (well, not this winter lol).

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 4:17 pm YaReally

        @Hook or crook
        “The “get in line/circle back and get in line again” thing blew my mind, and everything here is gold. I read it all twice. Major thanks.”

        lol glad it helped. Here’s some more:

        Think outside the box. A lot of rules and rituals in society actually prevent you from meeting women and force you to isolate yourself. You’re supposed to get a car, right? That’s what society says. But who’s going to meet more women day to day? The guy isolated in his BMW or the guy riding the subway/bus surrounded by women? Sure it’s good to have a car for emergencies but the societal ritual of driving everywhere limits the number of women you’ll meet.

        You can use that same line-up tactic when you line up to get a beer. Again societal ritual says you line up and when you get to the bar you order your drink and go back to your table/friends. But why not line up beside a girl and chat her up and let her get her drink first, and when she walks away just back out of the line and re-line up elsewhere beside some other girl and do the same thing until you get enough rapport with one of them to order your drink together and escalate from there lol Total cost = 1 drink. You’re there to get laid not get wasted.

        Same thing with the coat check line. Do you really want your jacket? Are you in that much of a hurry to go home alone to porn? Why not line up at the end of the night at coat check behind some cute girls and chat them up and try to get enough rapport to extract them to your place, and if it’s not hooking step out of line an go line up at the back behind the next cute girls you see line up and try again…when you find a set that you can get to stick, THEN get your jacket with them and extract them with you.

        Anyone here doing any of this? Nope, didn’t think so lol

        When you go to the bar with your normal friends who aren’t poon hunting and you all sit at a table and you have a waitress bringing you beers…think about how many opportunities you’re missing out on to chat up girls by having one girl bring you your drinks instead of getting up and being mobile and walking through the bar crowd of girls to stand at the bar beside some girls and order your drink from the bartender and then pass back through the crowd of girls to return to your table.

        Opportunities are everywhere, you just gotta’ look for them. 😉

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 4:53 pm immoralgables

        Yo Ya, hope all is well. Just wanted to say thank you.

        Your posts combined with watching RSD vids on my commute to/from work has been helping a lot.

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      • on February 4, 2015 at 12:31 pm theasdgamer

        Yareally, Ok, in the situation you described, it takes a skillset of some sort to DHV. Dancing is great for that, sure. Where I dance, there are lots of skilled leads. Those guys just don’t approach near as much as I do. Merely approaching is DHV. Plowing through lots of them in two minutes is a massive DHV. Women get curious when the man keeps going after ten rejections in a row in a minute. Panty-wetting. “Who is this guy?” “How can he keep going?” “I smell testosterone!” Brute force rejection-plowing is pussynip.

        But I was talking about the days before I could dance–back when I was 15-19 and was dropping panties. I did many fewer approaches back then. I was scrawny, short, and geeky. Not particularly funny or clever with speech. I was kissable, which certainly helped. Just approaching a few and getting girls talking about themselves made me stand out. Then I’d ask them to go outside for a walk, etc.

        My point is that you can get quick results with very little game in some context that you can find. Not where there are 5 hotties and a million whales.

        NB: Last night, I actually was in a context similar to your setup. One HB9 and all the rest were 6s or below. A club I rarely frequent. I knew 4 people there including the HB9 (a female friend referred to her as “perfect”; blonde, 5’3″, 38-24-35 with D cups.) and they came in at different times. I built value incrementally. I was there to dance, not meet women, so building value was natural and unconscious. (Ok, sue me, I’m a natural. I’m autistic, too, and had to work to build compensating skills.)

        So, I said “hi” to the HB9 and she was cool towards me. WTF? Ok, I ignored her the rest of the night. I danced dirty with a married HB6 who was out solo and danced flirty with a single HB6 and lots of other dancing with other broads.

        As I was walking out the inner set of doors, the HB9 chased me and caught me in the area between the doors. (Think she had been watching me? I couldn’t have cared less–I was having a very good time.) We chatted a bit and she asked me to come back in and dance with her.

        We danced a couple of dances. First one she was swinging her D’s side to side against my chest and right arm. Second, she danced tight–thigh-to-thigh–and continued swinging her D’s against my chest and arm. She enjoyed feeling wood, I’m sure.

        I left without asking for her phone no. Her divorce isn’t final til next month and I don’t mess with married broads.

        tl;dr

        I naturally and unconsciously used social skills to build value incrementally so that a HB9 was chasing me at the end of the night.

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 12:24 pm YaReally

      @PA
      Incoming. Guys wanting to learn some PUA strategy shit keep an eye on this spot for my post when it’s out of mod.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 2:25 pm PA

        Holy shit that was long. Ask and you shall receive indeed. I printed it out and will read on the train tomorrow. Thanks Ya.

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 9:12 pm AudSpgheti

        yareally, thanks. saved your long ass post to study later

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    • on February 2, 2015 at 1:03 pm Sentient

      Not your local… where 7’s masquerade as 9’s…

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 1:20 pm Sentient

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 1:30 pm Sentient

        what do all these girls have in common….?

        Time’s up! They ALL have a little part of their brain that is screaming MAKE A BABY!

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    • on February 4, 2015 at 2:39 am walawala

      @PA I’m pushing 50 and had a scarcity mentality before I discovered game. I meet girls: on holiday, working, online, in social circles.

      The key is to circulate and then have some successes. After a few it stops mattering. Some girl flakes, I don’t care, i’ll call her out or I’ll disappear, either way I’ve got a back up plan…

      Where I live there are not only fatties but plain janes who don’t do anything, go anywhere, dress up….so pickings are slim….but not for me.

      Go where the fish are: classes, special interest clubs, public events…I just met a hot slim 36 year old on my holidays. She was out of my usual age range but was so well put together and a designer that I didn’t believe her age.

      Having strong inner game gives you that strength to swim in the deeper end of the gene pool where there are fewer fatties and plain janes.

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  28. on January 31, 2015 at 7:20 pm wow

    Women are fat because staying fit is hard work! Eating right takes discipline! It takes 9 months to lose 35lbs. Just buy bigger clothes and keep hating on those skinny bitches.

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  29. on January 31, 2015 at 8:21 pm Hey now

    Fatassery is starting young too. Used to be that girls in high school and college were thin, then got bigger with marriage, childhood, sedentary life, which was understandable at least. Now, girls are fat in high school, go to college and put on the freshman 30, and can’t get back to being thin before they hit 25 without a lot of work and willpower, which is why they are fat in the first place. Once they do breed, since they got a man while fat, it doesn’t click that they could have had a family sooner if they were thinner. So they don’t encourage their daughters to keep thin. Fatassery is now ingrained, and it only took a generation to do it. Until societal shaming is returned to keep women thin and men working productively, shit is going to be fucked up. The other thing that drives me nuts is the acceptance of looking slovenly in public for women. Wearing sweatpants and flip flops to class, out to eat, even seen them at CHURCH in sweatpants. And the parents let them. Can’t find a strong leader though to tell them to shape up, or they are excoriated by the feel-gooders.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 11:52 pm Carlos Danger

      This is a Yankee problem.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 9:21 am Scheisherr

        Southerners are fatter than Northerners, and you know it. Check any state-level map of obesity.

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      • on February 1, 2015 at 9:01 pm The Spirit Within

        Sorry “Carlos”, but Southerners lead the country in obesity. Last I read, black Southern women had the highest rate in the nation, topping out at something like 75% .

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 10:47 am Greg Eliot

        Yeah, but I understand Sabathia is on a diet now.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 5:24 pm mendozatorres

        Well played, Grego!

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 1:03 am Arbiter

        Sorry “Carlos”, but Southerners lead the country in obesity. Last I read, black Southern women had the highest rate in the nation, topping out at something like 75% .

        Yes, BLACK women in the South.

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  30. on January 31, 2015 at 8:58 pm themanofmystery2

    Seeing as this is a Game blog, I’m going to take this opportunity to tell all the broads of the blogosphere a Man of Mystery PSA:

    Broad should be a description of your sex, not your ass width. If you want to find one of the easiest ways to look more attractive to men who matter (alphas with options), put down the bud light, skip the chocolate, hit the gym and have a 5-25 calorie protein snack courtesy of me.

    The best part ? You’ll probably burn that many calories extracting it from me. Get movin!

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    • on February 3, 2015 at 8:39 am Amy

      Yes, and take care of your skin. Stay out of the tanning booth and away from cigarettes. Hard body, soft skin.

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 1:36 pm themanofmystery2

        well said. hard body, soft skin = hard me.

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  31. on January 31, 2015 at 9:05 pm Dan

    I’ve been in healthcare for nearly 4 decades…..America IS GETTING FATTER.
    All the denial and rationalization and BS is irrelevant. Reality is king.
    Medical equipment manufacturers are being forced to design, engineer and market equipment that each generation is designed to handle more and more
    weight. In 1980 a new CT scan table had a weight limit of 300#. The one I
    supervised installation of in 2008 has a weight limit of #450 with an option for
    to go to 600#. And for some people even that ISN’T ENOUGH. It is reaching the point now where normal sized and weight people coming into the ER is
    the exception. And ALL of them will tell you that it’s not their fault, they all
    have a ‘hormone imbalance’, even the ones so large that they have their own gravitational field with salt shakers and forks orbiting their bodies……and the truly DISGUSTING PART. Many of these people have reached a size where
    they can no longer feed themselves……this means OTHER people are bringing them food enabling them to morph into a refugee from a 1950’s Steve McQueen movie.

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 7:31 pm Stinky Pinky

      Health care to people who don’t care about their health – CT scanners for high resolution imagery of people who can’t see their own feet – people so fat they can’t lift their hand to their face – but make a phone call and someone will come bring you to the Emergency Room. Costs so high – we’ve on the verge of nationalizing them – Health Cares for those Too-Big-to-Fail.

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  32. on January 31, 2015 at 10:05 pm superbadbeta

    Half SIgma is one long exercise in living in the NYC reality tunnel. People like him have never breathed oxygen before.

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  33. on January 31, 2015 at 10:11 pm kris kemp

    I live in New York City, too, and I agree with you. Most of the white girls/women here are slim. I think there’s two reasons for this. 1) Most of them walk (walk to the subway, walk blocks to work or between stations, walk to the bus, walk and walk and walk. 2) Most of the them want to get the attention of a guy.

    There are many good-looking, slim white girls in NYC. A lot of the guys here are beta males or gay or already in serious relationships, so the girls and women are on the hunt for men, so they stay slim in order to get, and just-as-importantly, keep their attention.

    Most of the fat people I’ve seen in NYC are either blacks or hispanics. Not sure what it is, but that’s what I see.

    The rare fat girl/women that I see is usually a tourist, and there easy to spot because they are so poorly dressed (white sneakers, baggy jeans, t-shirts, mismatched, ill-fitting clothes).

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    • on February 3, 2015 at 1:07 am Arbiter

      Most of the fat people I’ve seen in NYC are either blacks or hispanics. Not sure what it is, but that’s what I see.

      Well, lower IQ means a greater risk for obesity and vice versa. U.S. Blacks, with 23 percent White blood, have an average IQ of 85 (un-mixed Blacks have an IQ average of 70 no matter which continent), and only 13 percent have an IQ above 100, the White average. They are closely gathered around the mean. Latinos also have a lower IQ than Whites, but not as low as Blacks, so they have a higher income than Blacks even after just one generation, and aren’t as fat.

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  34. on January 31, 2015 at 10:41 pm zaqan

    Is this a good line:
    “My friends say we would make a good couple, but I dont think so.”

    If not, how can it be improved?

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 11:19 am Will

      Context is important here….but I would say no. Why are you robotically planning lines for a girl you already know….we should try not to do that I think

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    • on February 2, 2015 at 8:48 am Sentient

      The only good lines are the ones you actually use, directed at women.

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  35. on January 31, 2015 at 11:03 pm remember

    Hey gents, offtopic but does anyone here have experience with increasing the loudness of your voice. I am having trouble projecting my voice and I do have to repeat myself which puts girls off. Anyone have any ideas about how to increase the general loudness of their voice.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 11:10 pm PA

      Trained singers understand that there are two ways of projecting their voice: from the head and from the chest. The former is higher notes and clearer enunciation. You know you’re singing “from the head” when your sinuses vibrate and your face feels like it strains. It can go nasal-voice if you let it.

      Singing from the chest is lower notes, higher volume. Try to speak from the chest, not from the head.

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    • on January 31, 2015 at 11:11 pm PA

      My respose is in mod. Look up head singing vs chest singing

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 11:20 am Will

      You might be screwed biologically (don’t worry everyone is in some way).

      But try getting a little drunk? Or pretened you’re talking to someone 10 feet farther away

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  36. on February 1, 2015 at 12:31 am Mark Minter

    “One of the largest cognitive failures of people is their inability to understand the reality of exponentiation.” Small rates of change may have a large effect over time.

    The fundamental rule of exponentiation is simple to calculate. Take the rate of growth or the rate of decrease in a given period and divide that value into 70 and that will give you the number of periods for a thing to double or halve.

    Example: A 5% rate of growth PER YEAR will require (70/5) periods to double or 14 years.

    Likewise: A 5% decrease per year will require 70/5 or 14 years to halve.

    There is significant genetic component to obesity. Others like to jump on me and invoke diet, lack of exercise, character issues. I do not deny all of these are factors. But it is far more than just a genetic disposition to gain weight or have some body type.

    The word “sobriety” has been hijacked by the modern culture to mean “not being intoxicated”. But prior definition was that sobriety meant ” temperance or moderation, the quality of refraining from excess, seriousness, gravity, steadiness, restraint, composure, coolness, calmness, solemnity, reasonableness, level-headedness, staidness, sedateness?”

    And all of these qualities are heritable, and are reinforced in a person as a function of the class to which he is born and raised.

    Pierre Bourdieu’s work was primarily concerned with the dynamics of power in society, and especially the diverse and subtle ways in which power is transferred and social order maintained within and across generations. In conscious opposition to the idealist tradition of much of Western philosophy, his work often emphasized the corporeal nature (meaning “your body”) of social life and stressed the role of practice and embodiment in social dynamics.

    Bourdieu theorizes that class fractions teach aesthetic preferences to their young. Class fractions are determined by a combination of the varying degrees of social, sexual, economic, and cultural capital. The development of aesthetic dispositions are very largely determined by social origin rather than accumulated capital and experience over time. The acquisition of cultural capital depends heavily on “total, early, imperceptible learning, performed within the family from the earliest days of life.” Bourdieu argues that, in the main, people inherit their cultural attitudes, the accepted “definitions that their elders offer them.”

    Bourdieu himself believes class distinction and preferences are “most marked in the ordinary choices of everyday existence, such as furniture, clothing, or cooking, which are particularly revealing of deep-rooted and long-standing dispositions because, lying outside the scope of the educational system, they have to be confronted, as it were, by naked taste.” Indeed, Bourdieu believes that “the strongest and most indelible mark of infant learning” would probably be in the tastes of food. Bourdieu thinks that meals served on special occasions are “an interesting indicator of the mode of self-presentation adopted in ‘showing off’ a life-style .” The idea is that their likes and dislikes should mirror those of their associated class fractions.

    Children from the lower end of the social hierarchy are predicted to choose “heavy, fatty fattening foods, which are also cheap” in their dinner layouts, opting for “plentiful and good” meals as opposed to foods that are “original and exotic.” These potential outcomes would reinforce Bourdieu’s “ethic of sobriety for the sake of slimness, which is most recognized at the highest levels of the social hierarchy,” that contrasts the “convivial indulgence” characteristic of the lower classes. Demonstrations of the tastes of luxury (or freedom) and the tastes of necessity reveal a distinction among the social classes.

    And it is more than just membership in a higher caste. It is genetic reinforcement in a circular manner. You are exposed to the taste of the higher caste because you possess the characteristics to attain membership in that higher caste. And as we are learning, much of those characteristics are heritable, intellect, conscientiousness, sociability, attractiveness, lack of propensity to mood disorder, to making choices that lead to positive life outcomes.

    The idea of “Idiocracy” is well accepted, that higher intellect people will restrain themselves, show sobriety, postpone children and those stupid motherfuckers will not.

    The same idea lends itself to “Fatocracy”. And as income inequality spreads the gap between the upper and the lower classes, as the need of greater and greater time investment in order to obtain the credentials required for entrance into cognitive fields, inevitably the rate of childbirth is dropping among the class of people capable of practicing sobriety in all facets of life.

    And as we have seen, the genetic “aristocracy” of America, is dwindling, being replaced by a bunch of fat, stupid motherfuckers.

    So back to the Rule of Exponentiation and the long term effects of small annual changes. It has been over 50 years since the invention of the birth control pill, over 40 since abortion was made legal. As shown above, a reduction in the birthrate of merely 5% per year in the “thinner” classes, leads to having of the children born to that class per year in a mere 14 years. AND, a further halving after 14 more.

    The reality of class stratification and the American rate of childbirth is more complex and is far more stratified in various levels than the example shown below.

    But assume for math purposes that originally, those “thinner” classes consisted of 80% of 1,000,000 children born in a given year, and the fatter consisted of 20%. Without even considering any change in the growth of the fatter, just assume the rate of childbirth in that fat class remained constant.

    So in year one we have 800,000 thin children and 200,000 fat children.

    If the thin rate of childbirth dropped by 5% per year and the fat children remained constant,

    Then in year 14, we would have 200,000 fat children and 400,000 thin children.

    In year 28, 200,000 and 200,000,

    And in year 42, 200,000 fat children and 100,000 thin children.

    The obesity epidemic is a canary in a coalmine. It is not some function of too many Coca-Colas in school lunchrooms, too little exercise among elementary age children.

    It is a sign that the best of our genetic stock is disappearing, far more so than just far fewer thin people are born, but symptomatic that those best and brightest, that one man in a thousand whose capacities feed a thousand people, ten thousand people are disappearing.

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  37. on February 1, 2015 at 12:36 am Mr Meaner

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11375667/Men-must-prove-a-woman-said-Yes-under-tough-new-rape-rules.html

    “Men accused of date rape will need to convince police that a woman consented to sex as part of a major change in the way sex offences are investigated.

    The Director of Public Prosecutions said it was time for the legal system to move beyond the concept of “no means no” to recognise situations where women may have been unable to give consent.

    Alison Saunders said rape victims should no longer be “blamed” by society if they are too drunk to consent to sex, or if they simply freeze and say nothing because they are terrified of their attacker.

    Instead, police and prosecutors must now put a greater onus on rape suspects to demonstrate how the complainant had consented “with full capacity and freedom to do so”

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  38. on February 1, 2015 at 1:29 am Tilikum

    Fat girls are the wages of a Beta male.

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    • on February 3, 2015 at 1:10 am Arbiter

      If only you could reach the level of beta, loner. Funny how all you got is to talk about alpha and beta, as if you think spouting terminology makes you sound like you have experience. All it shows is that you’re a keyboard jockey. Judging from other posts, you’re an old, lonely keyboard jockey. Who doesn’t even know what a gym looks like – unaware that they include cardio machines – and cursing “gym rats”. Poor Tilikum.

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 4:20 pm Tilikum

        Mind your betters boy.

        You are letting me live rent free in your head. That, in real life, it a strong trigger for me to act in specific ways to exploit the bluster and fear.

        Your psychology, while predictable, makes you a target. Learn. Adapt. I’m tryin to coach ya up fool!

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  39. on February 1, 2015 at 4:02 am Rob McX

    …thin people are moving to Manhattan and other thin cities such as Washington, Boston, and San Francisco/Silicon Valley, leaving the fat people behind in the rest of the country.

    Svelte flight.

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    • on February 2, 2015 at 5:25 pm mendozatorres

      Falling through the cracks.

      yuk yuk yuk

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  40. on February 1, 2015 at 7:02 am natphilosopher

    The average woman in the US today has a waist size which is larger than Marilyn Monroe’s breast size.

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  41. on February 1, 2015 at 8:46 am Kyo

    Come to non-automobile-centric Japan, where everyone in the cities walks or takes the train everywhere (and the diet isn’t half bad either).

    Fattening food and the fat acceptance movements are certainly factors, but I think automobile dependence is the biggest one. I’ve never met a fat person who doesn’t drive a car. Have you?

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  42. on February 1, 2015 at 8:51 am McGonzo

    Textbook fathead. I mean, Webster’s needs a drawing of this guy next to the definition.

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  43. on February 1, 2015 at 8:59 am Putin

    Would watching porn with your wife help or hurt the marriage?

    [CH: depends what she looks like. (i’m not being glib)]

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 11:27 pm Putin

      Alright, lets say average….

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    • on February 2, 2015 at 8:50 am Sentient

      The risk of watching porn [or seeing other women] is that you may become unattracted to your wife, to the point of ED.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 3:53 pm Putin

        “you may become unattracted to your wife, to the point of ED.”

        Are you saying the man would get ED from watching porn with his wife? Not sure you mean that. I know some women get aroused watching porn.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 6:35 pm Sentient

        I’m saying that a lot of porn watching will raise your threshold for arousal, both from the beauty of the actress as well as the scenarios and enthusiasm on display, which may manifest when you are not watching porn and alone with your non porn star wife as ED.

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    • on February 2, 2015 at 10:45 am Greg Eliot

      I can’t imagine it’s a good thing… most women aren’t wired to be turned on by full-bore porn like men are…

      … unless you consider 50 Shades Of Grey as “full-bore porn”… but even then I’d bet the majority of lady fans enjoy the reading more than the watching, so they can imagine the players and scenes to their liking.

      Guys fall in love with their eyes, women with their ears.
      (some wise man of the past once said that, but his name escapes me)

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    • on February 3, 2015 at 3:47 pm Putin

      I thought some women get horny watching porn?

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  44. on February 1, 2015 at 9:18 am Putin

    “whatever happened to western lifestyles within the past 60 years to cause such ugliness has to be reversed”

    Nice to see someone getting it. Women were naturally more beautiful in the 60’s and 70’s but the U.S. started to change it’s food system for economic reasons..

    What people eat now is completely different from what they used to eat. Basically EVERYTHING is now cooked in long chained fatty acids. PUFA and grains(GMO) have literally changed the physical landscape for people. It is nasty.

    There was a day when people ate less volatile medium chain fatty acids. Real milk(non-homogenized, grass fed), butter, coconut oil, real eggs, natural beef without hormones, gelatin and roots.

    Now it is all PUFA and GMO grains with some above ground vegetables on the side. .

    I can smell the PUFA on most of these young women and it is nasty. The food also causes these women to age horrifically fast.

    More important than game, hell more important than almost anything is what you feed yourself. It is the difference between having an extra 20 years of “options” or living in a very short window.

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 4:27 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      I don’t care about what milk I drink or fret much about what’s put in the food I eat. The secret is:
      1)not stuffing one’s dumb face with food and space out meals
      2)not eating mostly carbs
      Unless you want to cut because you do bodybuilding and want a really low fat BF%, you can even eat grains, especially if you’re physically active. It’s all a function of ‘move more, eat less’.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 10:34 am Greg Eliot

        Yep… move more, eat less… should be one of those sewn sampler plaques in every household.

        It might not take care of 100% of the problem… but it’s a fast and cheap way to get a head start on at least 80% of it.

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  45. on February 1, 2015 at 9:47 am straight white male

    The situation makes it easier to identify quality women, since staying thin today takes discipline.

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 9:54 am PA

      Agreed, as I wrote upthread that thinness is a primary eugenic marker today.

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  46. on February 1, 2015 at 9:58 am Grizzly

    I just moved to Fort Collins CO from SoCal.

    Living in SoCal I used to think it was the fatties walking that caused earthquakes. Out here is a paradise compared to SoCal; hardly any fatties at all. I think the altitude has something to do with it.

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 11:07 am FlashHarry

      Could be– I’m just down the street from you in Boulder, and the rare sighting of a fatso causes heads to turn and lips to curl.

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  47. on February 1, 2015 at 10:09 am MrHyde

    “XIV. Fuck her good

    Fuck her like it’s your last fuck. And hers. Fuck her so good, so hard, so wantonly, so profligately that she is left a quivering, sparking mass of shaking flesh and sex fluids. Drain her of everything, then drain her some more. Kiss her all over, make love to her all night, and hold her close in the morning. Own her body, own her gratitude, own her love. If you don’t know how, learn to give her squirting orgasms.”

    Apart from the obvious, a Man who has honed his Bedroom skills, had another tremendous advantage over his rivals because – it’s at the moment of orgasm, that a woman’s body produces the “cocktail of hormones” which greatly boost her desire to pair-bond with him.

    The catch 22 question seems to be ; How can a young Man gain&maintain access to the amount of sex it will take to hone his sexual skills, if it takes those very same skills to gain&maintain access to sex?

    CH, Is it ever acceptable for a young Man to use a “professional service” in order to speed up his sexual learning curv
    e?

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 3:20 pm Last white Englishman

      Given no other choice I’d rather pay a young hot chick to suck my dick than let any of these bloated she-devils get anywhere near it

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 6:23 pm Rum

      Hook up with women you do not like very much.
      Learn to hide.
      Repeat.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 11:19 am anon

        I struggle with this, because I genuinely fear stalkers or women trying to eff up my life, even though I have learned that most of them just want hook-ups. I have actually gotten my game to the point where I could easily hook up with 6s who I would never LTR, but I end up turning them down because I remain saddled with the beta mindset of not being with someone I would not LTR. Then I give off a beta vibe even though I’m not interested in them; like (perhaps correctly so, since they are 6s) I ascribe to THEM the idea that they would want to LTR me.

        Basically I have turned down a lot of sex in my life because of this mindset. Probably 20 different women, come to think of it.

        I guess I need to study the part of the Yareally advice that’s about not giving your real name, stuff like that. My problem is that my game is sort of upper-beta, but still LTRish type vibe, and I can’t tell if these women are okay with just FB status or would try to throw bricks through my window when they learn I would never LTR them.

        I will say, also, that entertaining text flirting relationships with women who are beneath your standard is a good way to remind yourself how you come off if you project scarcity mentality to HB8s who you would want to be with. I just got on tinder and I have like six 5s (just to practice) and they are “beta” women in that they send me “you are so cute” messages, which is a turnoff. Basically the “beta” in any early flirtation is the one who shows that he/she likes the other person. The solid 8 who I think is hot never tells me I’m cute, and I have to resist the urge to tell her that.

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  48. on February 1, 2015 at 10:30 am Fleisch

    Go hunting, stay fit.

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  49. on February 1, 2015 at 11:20 am Flip

    Lots of fat white women in Chicago, especially among the working/lower middle class. I figure it is the high fructose corn syrup in the food these days.

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  50. on February 1, 2015 at 11:22 am Will

    I think the issue here an America is that there’s wayyyy more high value guys than high value girls so the ration is completely fucked

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    • on February 1, 2015 at 11:23 am Will

      So maybe us straight guys should be encouraging the gay movement? Ha.ha.ha.ha

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 11:46 am anon

        Yep, but then most guys end up with beta scarcity mentality, because we all want the same 8s and there are not enough to go around. Not even 7s. All we want is a decent 7 — not fat, not a gross face, not with huge tats all over her shoulders, not batshit crazy. And still that’s difficult to find.

        The “man up” feminist movement is about telling decent greater betas to accept women who either need to lose 25 pounds or are 37-39 years old post CC riders. Generation X was denied marriage to a fit 24 year old who was to give her best 15 years to said man (and 2 or 3 kids), in exchange for him agreeing to grow old with her.

        Now they want us to marry them when they are 37 or 39, after they gave the prior 17 years to the cads.

        http://www.lightlybraisedturnip.com/story-for-women-on-matchcom/2013/3/16/a-parable-for-the-older-single-women-of-matchcom-told-by-pro.html

        These women go on dating sites and their profile says they want “what their mom and dad had,” completely failing to recognize or appreciate the significance of the difference that their mom married their dad when she was 21. These 37 year old women do not OFFER what their mom offered their dad. Their hot years from 20-37 are gone!!! And yet they will go batshit ballistic if you try to educate them on this problem.

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  51. on February 1, 2015 at 4:23 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

    To me obese people aren’t even human and while I try to hide my contempt towards them, I think it’s visible. I’ve been fat and out of shape, but to actually get obese you must be either sick or incredibly pathetic.

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  52. on February 2, 2015 at 9:19 am lh

    Going to troll you on that one: “Socialist Europe” doesn’t have an obesity-problem. It has a lot to do with US food industries using high fructose corn syrup as replacement for sucrose in processed foods. US-regulations favor HFCS to help US farmers while EU-regulations limit HFCS.
    The obesity epidemic in the US is not so much a cultural problem, but a byproduct of right-wing economic policies.

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    • on February 2, 2015 at 10:39 am Greg Eliot

      It’s a problem of, whether you’re right- or left-wing, the attitude that the guy next to you isn’t your “family”.

      No community feeling, no “sympatico” racial or culture identification, and voila!… it’s all just a dog-eat-dog make-money Pyramid Scheme that eventually topples the stronger empire.

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    • on February 2, 2015 at 11:54 am anon

      “Right wing”? lzozlozlzzol YKW, the creators of left wing, control the banks, who control big agro and who need to make the loans at interest and who destroyed small farmers.

      The “occupy” protesters had it right, in the beginning. They quite obviously were protesting the “bailout” of the YKW banks. Then YKW-controlled media took over and said “we don’t know what they want?” made them look crazy, and sent in Rastafarian looking moles to mess it up. The irony is they then sold to the public (sheeple) that the protesters were hippie leftist types, when in reality the start of the movement was a (perhaps unknowing) true conservative protest against the Wall street YKW bank bailout.

      Kind of like how the “communist” Lennon actually had it right in his song working class hero. He just didn’t know the true enemy is the YKW banks, the “left,” not the right as MSM paints it.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 1:14 pm lh

        Well, from a european perspective democrats are already far right wing. The US political system leaves only the choice between banks + Silicon Valley + NSA/CIA (dem) or banks + industrials + military (rep).
        Occupy was far left, even by european standards. It was anarchist but not liberalist. Did you read David Graeber “Debt – the first 5000 years”? He was one of the core thinkers of occupy and the book is a very good read about the origins of capitalism.

        Anyway. While I’m far left (socialist!) in terms of economics, I think the left doesn’t understand women while the right doesn’t understand society. From a red pill perspective it’s the “cultural marxists” (terrible term btw) with the economic liberals vs. (cultural) conservatives with economic socialists. It’s “the winner takes it all” vs. “let’s be fair and keep some order”. It’s just the sexual aspect and the economic aspect are twisted on the political spectrum, distorting things for the average voter.

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      • on February 2, 2015 at 3:11 pm Mike

        Winner takes it all is exactly what socialism is. And the winner is always the government. Capitalism is I have to do something for you in order to get your money, whereas government can do whatever they want.

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    • on February 3, 2015 at 1:19 am Arbiter

      Going to troll you on that one: “Socialist Europe” doesn’t have an obesity-problem.

      Children in Italy and Slovenia are now the fattest children in the world. Probably all that pasta.

      Well, from a european perspective democrats are already far right wing. The US political system leaves only the choice between banks + Silicon Valley + NSA/CIA (dem) or banks + industrials + military (rep).

      Bullshit. From the perspective of socialists in Europe. Don’t claim that you speak for Europeans. That’s a common lie out of socialist mouths: “in EUROPE everybody thinks like this, it’s only you Americans who don’t understand your society”.

      Your tale about U.S. political parties somehow fails to mention mass immigration and other non-Whites on the side of Democrats, which are the one group that must never be opposed by Dems.

      I think the left doesn’t understand women while the right doesn’t understand society.

      Conservatism understands society, while socialists lie and suppress facts. Since their beliefs are all false and serve to dupe voters and justify theft and voter bribery, they can’t allow facts to be seen. You either know that or you’re what Lenin called a “useful idiot”, the average duped follower.

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  53. on February 2, 2015 at 11:05 am Buffin

    In the 1950’s the US government started telling us what to eat. We’ve been getting fatter and sicker ever since.

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  54. on February 2, 2015 at 3:07 pm Mike

    But back in the day when actual obesity was lower the average woman *was* a bit chubbier than your average Sports Illustrated/Playboy model type idealized beauty of today. Go watch an old movie from the 40’s or 50’s if you don’t believe me. The thing is though that today truly women like to go around saying that they’re ‘curvy’. No bitch you are fat. But I do prefer the fuller figure to the favored skinny one of today. I can’t see how any man would prefer a small ass to a nice full round (but not massive) one. I think this is pushing more white women towards black men today too, because they prefer a fuller figure. And to a lot of white guys today, unlike previous generations of white males, it seems like anything beyond a stick figure is fat.

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    • on February 2, 2015 at 3:08 pm Mike

      truly *obese* women

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  55. on February 2, 2015 at 3:08 pm yournordicgod

    You all can just forget about the manhattan part about thin white people in NYC.
    There are no white people in NYC anymore. (j e ws do not count as wh i te btw)
    ALL of the thin white people you see walking around manhattan are EUROPEAN TOURISTS and Europeans are thinner than Americans on average.

    What is currently taking place in NYC now(and over the last 10 years) is the single largest example of White Fight in any one city in American history.
    It is deliberately being kept out of the news.
    Forget about NYC it is now the planet of the apes. It’s just a matter of a few years now that it will look like the atlanta of the walking dead as the whites are already gone and the muds are taking political power from the j ew s. It’s just a matter of time till the crime rates get so high that the european tourists stop visiting & the infrastructure stops being maintained.

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  56. on February 2, 2015 at 3:31 pm yournordicgod

    We need to shun women(and shame them) in order to make them understand this. They WILL change. We will only accept thin women who are virgins for marriage. No exceptions.. they will get it and change correspondingly soon enough. As for the weight issue.. this is not brain surgery, this is simple science.
    The more you eat the fatter you get, the less you eat the thinner you get. SIMPLE. Do not make this more complicated than it is. Think of a balloon you fill with water, the more you fill it the bigger it gets.
    The problem is OBSESSION. The more you think of a complicated diet the more you think about food the hungrier you get. FAST(do not eat) until you are at the weight you want, stop making excuses like a coward.

    The problem is Obsession and also the gaping vacuossness of these peoples lives. Food is their drug, the base animals that they are now. Having been brought up not knowing their true history, their traditions.. having been brainwashed by j e w ish com muni sts and left powerless & without an inheritance by their zombified & horrifically stupid & evil “boomer generation” parents. We need to wake up & take power from these “boomers” asap & counter their lies & teach our generation truth & history & tradition in the meanwhile. The biggest & most important thing we can do now is remove the stigma & debate ending power of the word ‘R a c is t” & ‘discrimination’ & laugh away the ideas of equalism & feminism. Fat shaming needs to happen now.

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    • on February 3, 2015 at 9:00 am Amy

      “We need to shun women(and shame them) in order to make them understand this. They WILL change. We will only accept thin women who are virgins for marriage. No exceptions.. they will get it and change correspondingly soon enough.”

      Unfortunately, marriage isn’t enough leverage anymore. Women don’t need marriage to have children, or to ensure their safety/survival. If women had to be thin to secure those two things, they’d be thin.

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    • on February 3, 2015 at 10:32 am theasdgamer

      Amy, women still want relationships with hawt guys. A woman told me this in a bar less than 2 weeks ago (I kid you not). So, withholding relationships is a practical strategy.

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 12:57 pm Amy

        Well, everyone wants a relationship with a hot guy, but fat women aren’t getting those relationships anyway. They’re not marrying hot guys. So what are you withholding?

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      • on February 3, 2015 at 2:19 pm theasdgamer

        Me: “What one thing would you change about your life?”

        Late-20s woman in a bar: “I’d be in a relationship with a hawt guy.”

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      • on February 4, 2015 at 12:35 pm theasdgamer

        Amy, she was a noodle–super thin, anthill tits, boyish butt. Pretty face. Good dancer and easy. HB6

        Epiphany time for her, being late-20s and all.

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      • on February 4, 2015 at 1:01 pm blart

        a little off topic but i’ve noticed that the lower smv girls (6s or lower) are always the ones who aim for hot guys in lieu of guys with charisma, intellect, etc. while the hottest of girls tend to almost totally ignore physical attractiveness in men and aim for good personality traits instead.

        seems like it must be a way to balance out nature and make for better children.

        hot girl doesn’t need a hot guy to have attractive children since she’s already got that covered so she’s going to look for guys with other assets (brains, personality, etc.) instead.

        less attractive women and fatties want very hot guys because they are less likely to have good looking children without one.

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    • on February 7, 2015 at 11:53 am Anon

      True. & we should also ban the ampersand.

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