Tucked in the CH archives is a seminal (heh) post on the subject of male sexual pleasure and how it relates to women’s hotness. It was titled “Hotter Women, Better Sex” and it scandalized neophyte ears, and provoked knowing nods from romantically experienced players.
I suspect the people who think that men chase hot girls the most feverishly so as to lord it over other men have an agenda. They want to believe that human nature is not immutable; that with the right amount of peer pressure and fist-shaking at the media juggernaut men’s desires can be altered — tamed — to accommodate their conceit. And pride is malleable where thermonuclear blasts of lust are not.
If, on the other hand, men pursue the best-looking women at the behest of hidden compulsions buried deep in the reptilian cores of their brains, then there is nothing can be done to change this fact of manhood and what it means for less attractive girls.
How your body responds to a woman during sex tells the tale. The hotter I find the girl, the better the sex is, all else being equal.
What followed was a jizzbomb chart positively correlating a woman’s attractiveness with the liquid volume and ejection force of a man’s ejaculation.
Not satisfied with field observations, undersexed nerds demanded SCIENCE. It was supplied:
Slimmer Women’s Waist is Associated with Better Erectile Function in Men Independent of Age.
Previous research has indicated that men generally rate slimmer women as more sexually attractive, consistent with the increased morbidity risks associated with even mild abdominal adiposity. To assess the association of women’s waist size with a more tangible measure of perceived sexual attractiveness (as well as reward value for both sexes), we examined the association of women’s age and waist circumference with an index of men’s erectile function (IIEF-5 scores), frequency of penile-vaginal intercourse (PVI), and sexual satisfaction in a representative sample of Czechs (699 men and 715 women) aged 35-65 years. Multivariate analyses indicated that better erectile function scores were independently associated with younger age of self and partner and women’s slimmer waist. PVI frequency was independently associated with women’s younger age and women’s slimmer waist. Sexual satisfaction was independently associated with men’s younger age and slimmer waist for both sexes. Better erectile function, greater PVI frequency, and greater sexual satisfaction were associated with women’s slimmer waist, independently of both sexes’ ages. Possible reasons for the waist effects were discussed, including women’s abdominal body fat decreasing their own desire through neurohormonal mechanisms and decreasing their partner’s desire through evolutionarily-related decreased sexual attractiveness.
The vigor of the splitter is the smack of the fact. An hourglass-shaped, slender young woman is nature’s viagra, yohimbe, and horny goat weed compound, delivered with a hit of Ecstasy.
Interestingly, there’s a female version of the CH “hotter women = better sex” formula. Reader RosieOnMaChest stumbles on it:
Asshole game!
Women really do behave differently in bed with alphas and betas.
Since adopting a more alpha persona, around 5 years ago. Apart from upping the standard of women I let into my life, I’ve found one other very unexpected bonus…. Sex is a whole lot better and a whole lot wilder.
Once a woman assesses you as alpha, there seems to be almost nothing she won’t do to please you in bed. Two of the current plates have started sticking their tongues into my asshole . Kind of shocked me at first but I guess it’s just a sign of the times.
Sign of the hinds.
This is what I call the “More Alpha = Better Sex” formula, and a chart should help clarify exactly what it measures.
First, an explanation of the variables.
“Moan strength” is the loudness of the woman’s sex moans. Obvi.
“Shakes strength” is how much control over her body the woman loses during lovemaking.
“Pliability” is the woman’s willingness to indulge the man’s sexual fantasies, no matter how freakish.
Presenting… the handy dandy alpha maleness-to-female pleasure chart:
status of man moan strength shakes strength pliability
omega dreg sounds of silence zen stoicism she calls the shots
omega grunt of annoyance she can multitask carbonite rigidity
greater omega disguised wince stilted pelvic grind 100 “no”s, 1 “yes”
lesser beta 1db college try did a muscle tense? it’s your birthday!
pubertal beta 10dbs (cat meow) 0.1 second toe curl it’s our anniversary!
beta 20dbs (puppy yap) brief shiver pre-coital BJ
striver beta 30dbs (dog bark) 1 back scratch doggy style
greater beta 50dbs (black woman) 10 back scratches mirrors
lesser alpha 70dbs (2 black women) leg tourettes cameras
alpha 100dbs (corvette) dog shitting peach pit chandelier
supraalpha 150dbs (jet engine) call a sexorcist “i am your slave”
There are many reasons for a man to learn game and ascend the ladder of alpha maleness, but one goes unmentioned far too often: The better your game, the more pleased your women will be with your sexual healing.

So during sex, I get my girl to say, “I’m your slut”, I’m definitely in Alpha territory?
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Nah, you’re a beta for even worrying about it.
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as tim suggests, you shouldn’t have to ask. but, even still, that’s always a good thing to hear.
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What Tim said. Additional betaboy points for faggy nationalist moniker.
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If she says it * unprompted * , Alpha I would say.
If you have to tell her to say it, a little less.
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Fuck my life.
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Imposter…
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Nah bro. You’re beta for using “beta” as a concrete term. Show me your dick or else your beta faggot.
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Don’t you have a warrant out in Glendale for planting credit card skimmers?
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Yea. I’m on the run right now.
It’s forced me to relocate to the top secret patriarchy ballroom located in the underground volcano lair off the coast of Saudi Arabia.
P.S. Bring cigars and fine scotch. Oh and of course, don’t forget your privilege cards!
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Don’t talk to my uber driver like that!!!
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Hahaaa, ashkit kunem bro
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supraalpha “i am your slave”
The first time I heard a chick speak words to that effect, it scared the bejeebus out of me. Now I realize that I’m not the nihilist that many of you guys are, but when a bitch starts talking like that, I’m already thinking to myself, “Okay, so when I eventually have to move on to some new poontang, how are you going to attempt suicide? By slashing your wrists? Overdosing on pills? Hanging yourself in your closet?”
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@Captain I have heard words to this effect to…”Always wet for you” etc.
It was unusual for me at first until you realize women are all about emotions and the moment. The react to external stimulus. They don’t mean anything they say.
Next week she’ll be ragging on you for not remembering her favorite colour.
When I hear things like this I no longer worry and think “How are you going to attempt suicide?” I think hmmmm….how can I keep her in this state?
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I agree with Walawala
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Yeah but I do NOT want these crazy bitches getting too deeply invested in me emotionally – at least not once I realize that they aren’t “Mommy” material [which is pretty soon after meeting them]. I do not want an attempted suicide on my conscience, I do not want my pickup truck to be “keyed”, I do not want pictures of myself showing up on some place like Craigslist with a bunch of lies being told about me, I do not want lawsuits or restraining orders or rape accusations, etc etc etc. I just want a fun date, a nice hard lay [with plenty of orgasms to go around], and a good night’s sleep afterwards. Save the drama for the Betas.
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To keep things in perspective, young men are more likely to kill themselves over a breakup. And they’re more often than not regular guys rather than head cases.
[CH: i think i read somewhere that more attention seeking failed suicide attempts are made by women, but men are better at following through. figures.]
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@Captain, this is a self-limiting belief. I’ve had similar ones: “What if I escalate and she turns me down and tells other people???”
Girls are attracted to boldness.
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That’s true CH, usually women can’t complete the task, as always. It’s due to their poor choices of instruments. So I think it might be the ultimate attention whoriing
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yeah…i worry about that too. I had to ditch the 19 year old i have been banging and she’s now goin off on me from the SAME script as the last one I dumped, same bazillion unanswered txts. It’s like, do they have a fkin manual they read from of all the things they’re gonna say to try to get at you? I am LOLing because I have read these attempted barbs before. I am just relieved that she’s not showing up or else attempting suicide. Give her a few days, though, and she’ll be claiming she’s pregnant…
She screamed so loud she woke up one of my kids one floor down and he txtd me “man, who the fk is screaming i am trying to sleep.” I took to putting a pillow over her face. She was part black; I had her call me master lol
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> “ultimate attention whoriing”
Histrionic Personality Disorder – HPD – “Pay attention to me Me ME!”. Like Asian-Eskimos filing regret rape charges after recieving anal from a guy who didn’t phone the next day. I need my bitches to maintain a baseline level of sanity. The really ironic thing, though, is we Nice Guys in the Dark Enlightenment actually worrying about these poor crazy girls whereas the true sociopaths on the Left – Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein and Alan Dershowitz and their ilk – don’t give a damn about these bady damaged women. To them, a successful suicide would be feature, not a bug.
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This concern would be better expressed in the grating tones of a solipsistic witch’s cackle, a la Rihanna. Save for that your concerns are genuine and that you’re not trying to mass-corrupt the minds of women.
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Can’t you people seriously manage to break up with women without all this drama? Usually people get butthurt over relationships when they’re misled and lied to. Is that what you’re doing? lol.
I had this girlfriend for a couple of months a few years ago and she kept trying to cajole confessions of love out of me and I kept refusing because she had only sex to offer. She didn’t end up creating drama when I did break up with her a month and a bit later because I didn’t feed her delusions. She was butthurt when I dumped her, but she got over it and found some rich sucker. She even gave me a blowjob in his car when she wanted to show it off.
Now, if you want girls to not fall for you, simply don’t meet them more than once in a while.
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> “she kept trying to cajole confessions of love out of me”
We’re talking supraalpha status and the bitches getting obsessed with you. I don’t like being in that position – my conscience starts to kick in, and I start worrying about how the hell I’m gonna gracefully slip out the door and disappear into the night. There comes a time when you have to tone it down with the charisma and “Beta” your way out of these situations.
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It means you get laid unlike the people who responded to you.
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To keep things in perspective, young men are more likely to kill themselves over a breakup. And they’re more often than not regular guys rather than head cases.
Male suicide has reached epidemic proportions here in the UK…..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7219232.stm
Apparently Men and Women attempt suicide at the same rate, in the upside-down world of depression, a persons strengths can often work against them, and curiously, their weaknesses can often be the factor that saves them.
Women – being the less practical sex, bungle it more often than men. Also women (conversely to men) are evolutionary hard-wired to seek help from others. This explains why women are so keen to stop and ask directions, while men – in general – seek to solve their own problems, without bothering others.
In fact, I suspect the reason men still die earlier than women, is because men are so reluctant to bother a doctor. And the reason married men live longer than free men, is…. no, it’s not as women would have us believe – “married men are happier” but because it is usually the wife, who pushes him to see the quack.
The disgusting thing is, the factors responsible for the disparagy in male suicide are by no means unsolvable. Male suicide could be dramatically reduced if the government took a fraction of the money they lavish on women’s issues, and spent it instead, on a nation wide male-depression awareness campaign.
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I thought I might be alpha when once, unprompted, wifey yelled out in the heights of passion:
“YOU CAN HOLD ONTO MY CREDIT CARD FOR A WEEEEEEEEEK!!!!!”
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So, for all you guys who thought hearing “I’m your slave!” was scary…
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I’d never give a woman a credit card I had to pay for.
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I sense a disturbance in the force.
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It’s as if millions of jests suddenly sighed and fell flat.
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[…] More Alpha, Better Sex […]
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http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/the-evolutionary-mystery-of-female-orgasm-part-v-an-evaluation-test/44543
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The harder they come – the harder they fall … The clitoris has 8,000 nerve endings and it’s sole purpose is pleasure. A man that can seduce a woman into surrendering access – and with skill and fine motor control – wring that sponge – can overrun her mate selection preferences. Do this reliably – and between the 3rd to 5th session – she’s proclaiming her love.
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nah…have the skill to do it vaginally. Love is immediate. You can see it in their eyes how the halves of their brain, if you can call it a brain, are fighting with each other. One half is like wtf i cant believe this guy is doing this to me and the other half is saying the same thing, but because they’re female halves they are naturally inclined to fight anyhow lol. But one half wants to have your children too.
LTRs are problematic because I wouldn’t wanna do some of this demented shit to someone I actually liked in a friendly manner lol
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“nah…have the skill to do it vaginally. Love is immediate.”
yep, clitoral orgasms aren’t the be all and end all that people make them out to be. from what i understand, a clitoral orgasm is felt primarily in the nether regions and can be great but a vaginal/cervical orgasm tends to be more of a whole body experience and the feeling is much more intense. don’t have any links but i’m pretty sure studies have been done on it that show a lot more activity across the whole body with vaginal/cervical orgasms. not the case with clitoral.
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[…] More Alpha, Better Sex […]
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Having game and being alpha are two completely different things and you can’t be a great lover without being a great seducer.
[CH: game will make you better with women, which definitionally will make you more alpha.]
…and besides being ‘alpha’ is so bourgeois
[beats the alternative.]
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alphas dominate; seducers submit, which is a whole another story… 😉
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Extrapolating from the “female version” of the formula, is part of the popular appeal of “Christian Grey” type characters to women based on a subconscious reverse engineering of the process?
She engages in new and unfamiliar sexual activities with him > this must mean she finds him extremely attractive
…and the preselection carries over into the reader’s own mind, which makes her attracted to the character, which makes her enjoy the book…
…would the female reader find the character as attractive if the sex in the book was just normal-style?
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good post, with one major problem: the sex herbs you mention will kill even the best sex
EVEN AN ALPHA is going to wreck a great time with HGW – highly overrated
yohimbe is a keeper but viagra can legitimately give you a stroke:
NO MAN should go into a bedroom with sex herbs, if he wants a boost, unless he’s got something like following 3 sex herbs :
http://www.redrexpill.com/just-3-ingredients/red-rex-ingredients.html
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OT: found out today that my first kid is going to be a boy! i’m going to teach him that women are perfect, flawless celestial beings that he must always placate and appease. i hope he grows up and becomes a bisexual feminist trans* person engaged in a poly relationship with individuals of various races and body sizes. wish me luck!
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“i’m going to teach him that women are perfect, flawless celestial beings that he must always placate and appease. ”
You don’t need luck, that is a sure thing!
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Sentient beat me to the punch.
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I’m super alpha according to this.
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“70dbs (2 black women)”—-friggin’ beautiful. Beeyootiful!
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Third date last summer. I knew I was holding a super dominant frame, but it was still a surprise when, on her bed, this girl looked me in the eye and said, “You can do absolutely *whatever* you want to me.” She held my gaze to make sure I knew it too.
Begging for slavery. I obliged. She got used two or three times a day for the next few weeks. I got everything I wanted, when I wanted, how I wanted, as long as I kept that dominant frame. I could’ve gone the whole dog collar route, if desired. Her daily orgasms reached double digits. That’s a fact.
“I didn’t know sex could *be* like this,” she said, laying facedown naked. She said this many times.
To young’uns reading this … build and make a habit of dominance. Lift weights, pursue a mission, demonstrate passion, master the art of conversation, learn how to cook well, sprinkle beta like a seasoning, and wait until your thirties. Then plunder away.
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““I didn’t know sex could *be* like this,” she said, laying facedown naked. She said this many times.
and I said “I know. I know Ma. Now go to sleep”.
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lol, well done, asshole.
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You two don’t need to put your family business out in public.
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I guess I will respond to the resident YKW. I had a married-to-a-beta 27 y/o 7.8 redhead say that to me last summer after I made her squirt all over the bed. (usually don’t fk married chicks but this one was in my professional school class for years and we both had boners for each other) Made her squirt with a furious couple of fingers jammed in there. She exploded everywhere after being told to “come for me baby”. Her eyes got big as half dollars when I showed her what she had done. She looked surprised at me and said “That’s NEVER happened to me before. Ever.” She proceeded to gag on muhdick for a while before rolling over face down arching her back and spreading em and saying “you can do whatever you want to me” and she meant it. Her ejaculation def. wasn’t piss. We both checked it out to make sure with the smell/touch test. It was the first time I ever experienced it as well. So to the resident YKW I can attest that this truly does happen, whether it does to him or not.
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Hey anon, I appreciate the respectful tone. FYI, I’m Polish Catholic, 6’2″, 200 lbs, light hair and blue eyes. A few of the hateful bastards here have decided otherwise, but hey, whatever, it’s the Internet (Spirit brushes invisible lint off his shoulder). To me, their shouting “filthy Jew YKW bastard” or whatever at me is like a bunch of five-year-olds shouting “You’re a poopface almond breath!” or something that’s just horrible for their little in-group but makes absolutely no sense to me.
Funny, I got my first squirter last week too. Same story as yours, except she wasn’t married, it was her second time, and I ended up washing my sheets at 2 am after she left, lol.
[CH: poopface almond breath?]
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A “Polish Catholic” huh? Well, i suppose that explains why the Nahzees went after goyishe Polaks as hard as they went after Yiddishe ones.
There’s also the chance that you’re either lying, or you have substantial YKW genes but are unaware of it. Your behavior smells YKWfrom ten miles. Like, Hitler wrote a passage in Mein Kampf detailing YKW debate styles (that made him hate them). It reminds one of you, lol.
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No fucking way he’s Polish.
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Or should I say, representative of the population. We have our shitlibs too.
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“why the Nahzees went after goyishe Polaks”
To clear the land and settle it with Germans and to deal with the massive resistance movement.
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If StraponWithin is the Aryan superman he claims to be, I’m the King of England.
And if he’s even half of what he claims to be, then he’s a disgrace to the race, judging by the shilling, and especially the manner of expression thereof, that he does here at the chateau.
Let’s face it, one can understand aiding and abetting the enemy when one IS the enemy…
… but a collaborator, to THAT extent?
A true candidate for perdition… and a first neck for the first rope from the first tree, come the day.
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@Greg Eliot
Making death threats on the Internet? Omega. Ya gotta follow through, or else you ain’t a man.
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Catholic, my ass.
You’re apparently unaware that liberalism is a sin.
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To me, their shouting “filthy Jew YKW bastard” or whatever at me is like a bunch of five-year-olds shouting “You’re a poopface almond breath!” or something that’s just horrible for their little in-group but makes absolutely no sense to me.
Perhaps “Mr. Libtardczynski” until such time as you stop your PC crap.
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Spirit within is Sweetheart Jason with a new handle.
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Telling you of the impending fate in store for your kind is not a death threat…
… it’s a prophecy…
… and a promise.
As our Lord Christ Jesus warned the hypocrites, traitors and liars of His time:
“Beware ye scribes and Pharisees…”
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Bitch is lieing about first time squirting. Every redhead I’ve banged squirts.
[CH: redheads are on the whole more sexually revved than non-redheads. the stereotype is true.]
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Plunder.. why? Why bother?
Would it not make more sense for someone capable to do more important stuff, such as, dunno, building up a business, or starting and expanding a milita, having and maintaning a family or doing other useful stuff..
Of what use is the hedonism you advocate? Is satisfying your animal impulses the most important thing in the world?
There are useful animal impulses whose demands are worth fulfilling, such as impaling medieval throwbacks on convenient spikes. That’s the kind of thing that sends an unambiguous message to the elites that you don’t like them and their lackeys.
Chasing a lot of skirt – that’s just harmless, and kinda cute.
[CH: chasing skirt is the most serious game in life.
ps a man can do all the things you want him to do, plus chase skirt. none of it is mutually exclusive.]
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Everything H said.
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“Is satisfying your animal impulses the most important thing in the world?”
Why yes it is!
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chasing skirt should *always* be a secondary matter.
[CH: you’re always chasing skirt, whether or not you know it.]
i probably fucked more women than beethoven, would you like to hear my music?
[the crescendo is the prime directive: amass status to increase quality and quantity of women available to you for fucking.]
genuine alphas
[genuine alphas also fuck and cheat and play the field with impunity.]
care about maximizing individual greatness in a craft or trade or as leaders of men, that’s the only HB10 for them.
[if living in a cardboard box doing nothing would improve a man’s odds of fucking HB10s, evolution would select for it. and then guys like you would be on here saying “maximizing individual cardboard box living skills is the only HB10 for me”.]
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…Logs post into memory bank
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Food and sex are necessary for survival – food in the West is in abundance, sex for most people is not hence the huge demand in porn. Men use survive through wars, women who would latch onto their strongest men through games. Western men have stopped wars, women have not stopped their games. Women need to be dominated and demand the attention they either got/did not get from their fathers.
Look at any porn film and the “money shot” and how a girl looks at a camera demanding attention.
If women put out more we would probably not have wars, heck if I had an endless stream of poon I probably would not even show up for work. It’s like heroin.
In my early Beta days – a girl I was dating wanted to see a drag show in a gay bar so I went. I was shocked as a young guy to hear the conversation at the next table my drunk gays – talking about some guys dick, how it tasted, how small/big it was. The bitchiest cruelest comments too. I soon figured out that gay men are a more direct version of how women act and talk about men. Women of course hide it, the great deceivers they are.
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Of course women don’t talk about penis size,heh heh heh,I mean come on,they don’t do that,right?…..right…?
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Why would anyone take issue with men liking attractive women for goodness sake? Or maybe better to ask how. I don’t care if ugly women relieve themselves with rainbows, it has been obvious to me since I was even prepubescent, more so after, that the curves of attractive women are rewarding for any man who can obtain them. I don’t recall being brainwashed by the patriarchy to think they were attractive. Of course that begs the question of how the patriarchy decided who was attractive and who wasn’t, and even why they decided things that way. What a bunch of rubbish. Anyways, is there such thing as money game? What about accomplishment game?
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Last summer I fucked a girl on couch. After a blow job I moved with my mouth to her pussy. My ass was now above her face and she started licking my ashole and jerking my dig. I came immediately. She was wet as hell but definitely didn’t come. But it seemed it wasn’t really a problem for her. So had this naked average good looking dirty, sluttish girl leaning over me. I didn’t jerk of since ages and sex was some weeks ago as well. Actually very circumstances said fuck her dirty several times all night long. Then I looked at her. She didn’t make me horny. Not skinny enough, no long nails. So I went to bed.
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The heat of the meat decreases the angle of the dangle.
Multiply by the mass of the ass.
Add in the square of the hair and the cube of the tube to get the sexual satisfaction coefficient.
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Divide by mass of the ass add to the sass of the lass
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the ass of Mama Cass is in the heavyweight class..alas.
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Always pass on crass gas ass en masse.
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Beware, though… lest the angle of the dangle form a quadrangle perpendicular to the hole… eh, whole.
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Fractals, baby!
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How does a woman’s need for foreplay factor in? Does more foreplay required correspond inversely with alpha-ness?
My women have always wanted to get straight to the main event ASAP with lots of enthusiasm, skipping foreplay.
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yep, this is the truth. you don’t need much or any foreplay if you have the right chemistry and relationship dynamic with a girl.
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My guess is that forplay is but a subset of the psychological stimulation she needs to get off. I have had women ready to go with no forplay other than using game. The last girl I was with in fact had her clothes off ready to go with me with only so much as giving her a few grabs on her arm to lead her to bed.
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@theasdgamer
game = foreplay…
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So true. A ONS is sooo powerful because the game to get there has jacked her hindbrain so completely. such strong emotion and response.
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I can’t say that my seduction technique is anything to write home about. Mostly just frame and instigation, I think.
My 1st lay:
Long, long ago, when dinosaurs walked the earth, I asked my engaged HB9 friend to fakk. (I had scared off a stalker who was following us when I was walking her to the bus stop a few weeks previously.) We were in her dorm room because I told her that I had a question to ask her that required lots of privacy. I told her that I liked her and thought she was beautiful and asked her to “make love”; she threw 2 easy 5h1t-tests at me that I passed; we briefly held hands and kissed. We arranged a hookup in four days since she was OTR, setting up expectation. That was my game.
Four days later, she called me up and I went to her dorm room. She pulled off her bra and sweater and let me ogle her D’s. That was our foreplay. Then she pulled off my pants and measured my c0ck and we went at it like rabbits for 5 days.
She was inexperienced and likely read about this c0ck-measuring stunt in some women’s journal. She developed vaginosis, proving her inexperience. (She was shagging her fiancée on the weekends. Nobody used condoms. She likely douched.)
My college gf’s panties moistened while she was thinking about me in class. Self-gaming.
Mrs. Gamer just needs instigation and she’s good to go. When we’re on good terms, we flirt a lot continually.
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@Sentient
There are multiple things at play though. Strong emotion in the moment is easy for an ONS but does not necessarily translate to investment. My closing game is money as fuck. With one exception, over the past 2 months I’ve fucked all 7 or 8 of the first dates that I’ve been on. Leads mostly from tinder, a few from bars and parties. The exception was a virgin ’til marriage and she blew me and let me put a finger in her (couldn’t get more in lol).
Return investment from the girls has depended entirely on how good the sex was. The couple of girls that it was freaky-awesome with are totally hooked. When the sex and chemistry was iffy, it depended on the followup game. My most recent hookup was an 8.5 26-yo. Hottest I’ve had in a while. Tinder, meet, drink, talk dirty, pull, fuck. The usual. The sex was pretty mediocre though. My text game oscillates between decent and trash. I fucked up the followup and boom no response even though I fucked her within 3 hours of meeting her. 😦
My buddy I’m traveling with runs much more sweetheart game and I’d say only fucks on 25% of his first dates. That said he does seem to lock girls down much more solidly. Once they have sex, his girls are genuinely invested. His texting is much better, more natural, and 100x better comfort wise. Girls from tinder love him and are sending him “good morning baby :)” even though they’ve never even met. I’m trying to learn from his style but he’s very private about his texts so is pretty coy about letting me read them. Grrr.
I think the extra investment he gets comes from his comfort skills, not the slower escalation. Saiyan fusion of his comfort shit with my escalation would utterly slay.
I’m not sure about the interaction between hindbrain horniness and investment, but fucking fast doesn’t immediately get you investment. Gives you a leg up sure, but doesn’t do all the work.
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@theasdgamer…’Long, long ago, when dinosaurs walked the earth…’
That’s a good one! My first was back in 1987 BC.
I was 17, she was an 18 yo Hourglass. An unimpeachable 9: every guy tripped over his c0ck while running to talk to her. I had never seen a chick cause that kind of hormonal overload, and I’ve rarely seen it since then.
So how did a beta like me manage to bag her? I honestly didn’t understand it at the time. Now it’s clear and simple: I got interest from her exactly because I didn’t trip over myself.
I heard that she ‘had a boyfriend’. So, being the unobtrusive beta I was, I didn’t try to hit on her. I did hit on other girls. She may have seen me doing this – – she definitely noticed that I wasn’t showering her with the attention she regularly got from every guy in sight. I see now that she took my cluelessness for aloofness. Call it Perceived Alpha. Accidental Game? Better than anti-Game. Now it makes total sense that she wanted to take my then-virgin bone for a few fun rides.
Oh, to travel back in time with some Game concepts!
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@Lumpy
You raise excellent points. High atra tion and high comfort = winning.
You are now the fantasy man. Good for guys who are looking for more than 1 time.
For me I’m married so ons no names works. Too. Omplicated otherwise.
It’s hard to beat the massive ramped up attraction on a ons, however you are totally right the way to do it over and over is to be the fantasy guy. At least for a while, then they all will trend lower over time.
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what the fk is foreplay?
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Ask your mother.
Enough of the ITG trav.
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@trav stop trying so hard to impress us with that coolasfuck tude. Chill dude… What is it Robert Green says? Intelligence is the trigger point for envy. You’re giving off a dick vibe here that is bordering on obnoxious.
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You praise science a lot. What about when its findings aren’t necessarily what fits into your story?
In this particular study, self-report is a problem (as with all sex studies), but the bigger one is the question of what other variables might correlate with the ones they chose to look at?
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Then make your case already
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Experience will always trump science.
Let me give you a real life analogy:
My job involves strength and conditioning for high level athletes.
One (advanced) training technique I use to help these athletes get stronger is a method called Cluster training (you can google it).
I first read about the cluster method from a book written in 1964. No published scientific literature appeared validating the method until 2005 – of course they found it worked, and worked really well.
Moral of the story: if you waited for the *science*, you missed out on 40 years of potential benefit (or 10 Olympiads). You were behind the curve. Waaaaaay behind the curve.
Science will always be donkey punched by those deep in the trenches. Figure out what works in practice and wait for science to ascertain your findings later.
Addendum: I can also corroborate CH’s findings. More asshole, more dominance = vaginal Parkinson’s
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@anon:
“Experience will always trump science.”
We’re done here.
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Science is only a guide. But what guides science? That question has to be answered before we give the nod to the long slow never ending never quite decided method of science. We need to use both. And this is by the way a current trend among scientists to include common sense in their final theories.
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Cluster training can be applied to sex,too. Haven’t you heard of the…cluster fuck?
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Science is like music theory – always a few years behind the pioneering practitioners.
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Think about the etymology of ‘Heartiste.’ Think about the human mind, the most complex thing known. Think about the difficulty of controlling for even a few variables in the simplest areas of biology, then try applying this to the mind.
Think about how short life is – you get two decades to be a young, adult male. Think about the work Yareally had to do to attain his understanding, which I would claim from the quality of his writing can’t be faked. Think about how extreme a motivator pussy is to the men most determined to ground themselves in reality
Then think about Greg C. claiming ‘if psychology was really science, they could steal your girl.’
Well, ‘they’ can steal your girl. But it can never be done through pure science, it is much more art.
This very blog, right here, is the cutting edge of evolutionary psychology. And it turns out it can’t be close to fully described – you can’t tell all about it – in the finite sets of science. It’s an art.
Great artists have always recognized ‘show, don’t tell’ as their first principle. Science is all about the tell. Spergy.
Try some game. Improve your life.
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Wisdom trumps all. The scientific method applies only to reproducible results and controlled experimentation.
Knowledge is acquired in many ways beyond experiment, namely experience, deduction, induction, instinct, dialectic, ritual, faith, and fiat. A priori, a posteriori. Its judicious application is called wisdom.
In this sad era of Geek Chic we worship the experimental method as a god. The validity of the science is no part of the usual over-interpreted, Ripped From The Headlines, amateur analyses we are used to relying upon.
The job of the nerd-priest class is “divining” the data and translating it into CNN news-ticker headlines for easy consumption. Therefore every few years red wine is good for you, then it’s bad for you. Check your fiber, watch your fat intake, cut out the carbs, avoid gluten. These are pagan totems à la the apocryphal Chesterton paraphrase: “When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing. They believe in anything.” It’s a big confusing world, people need behavior signposts. Whether those guidelines are false — or even just more complicated than the findings seem to indicate — is irrelevant.
The study of the sources of knowledge — or how you know what you know — is called epistemology. If you have never seriously studied why you think what you think, you are very likely to borrow from the spirit of the age. Our zeitgeist has designated scientism as not just the default method to knowledge, but the only legitimate method. Hence the celebrity of the village atheists we endure today like never before in intellectual history (most egregiously in Pope Dawkins, the erstwhile bug researcher who makes risible universal declarations about the nature of existence). Let’s just say these retarded data-hoarders could stand a basic course in epistemology.
Game and “realtalk” remain occult because their epistemologists are not ready for prime time. To kill the enemy gods you must be ready to present a substitute pantheon for the everyman to instantly adopt. If your new idol has feet of clay, it won’t withstand scrutiny and the conservative instinct will take over. “Meh, what’s so bad about statism and feminism after all? Sure they’re silly, but far as I’ve seen my whole life, they work just fine.”
It’s sad that so much rapier wordplay and rapist wit, so much subversive observation, so much solid game theory are presented on such shoddy foundations. Its practitioners can be ignored with impunity.
Matt
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“You know how when you grab a woman’s breast, it feels like … a bag of sand.”
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I was in a strip club and a stripper poured her b00b into my hand. It was like a baggie filled with water. Disgusting.
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ah…wisdom…leeches and witchcraft. You can have it.
People who refuse science are either liberals or too dumb to grasp it.
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“Wisdom trumps all”
“By three methods we may learn wisdom:
first, by reflection, which is noblest;
second, by imitation, which is easiest;
and third, by experience, which is the most bitter.”
Confucius
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@Spirit
Lol’d hard @ bag of sand. Way better than the response I was going to write about KingA hiring LARPers to defend his kingdom…who needs experience when you have imagination, faith, and blowhard bullying to back up your condescending armchair lectures lol
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Wait. You who stroke each other for years in internet comment sections are calling me out … for what exactly?
One is a man who deliberately chooses to be identified as “The Spirit Within.” That’s either the name of your 3:00 am “World Music” radio program at the community college, or you are some 1/16th gut-eater trying to commune with your dead alcoholic grandpa. The Pajama Boy priapist, on a mission to prove (to someone or other) that his feminine politics is compatible with being a player.
What’s your religion again?
The other is the Ann Landers of the Manosphere, who spends the lunch hour in his cubicle spontaneously ejaculating a scrollbar avalanche of thrice-told advice to every lovelorn mulatto who says “Hey Ya” to him at the bottom of some other dude’s blog. You changed my life, mannn…
Very impressive among your peers, I’m sure. This kaffeeklatch of heavy-breathing, unreconstructed sex-dorks, this midlife support group for high school virgins making up for lost fucks — from which you draw so much meaning in your life — is not exactly my target audience.
Matt
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“kaffeeklatch”
Where did you get this? serious question.
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I was going to say “circle jerk” or “masturbation club” but that didn’t imply the mutuality of the pleasuring that goes on here, which is more akin to old women gossiping or college suitemates ritualistically fellating each other.
I had “sodomite daisy-chain” in there for a while.
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Somebody I had several good conversations with used to say “coffee klatch” and I assumed he made that up.
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Missed you Matt. Welcome back.
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@PA. Coffee klatch I believe is a NYC yiddism. Heard it all my life there.
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I see the King has delivered yet another of his legendary and scalding rebukes upon the self-styled war dogs of PUA and the Cathedral.
(((shakin’ mah haid))) and LLZOZLZOZLZOZLOZL at how these dweebs never learn.
On a side note: coffee klatsch was a term I heard often in my youth, used by German immigrant women… I’m guessing its origins lie somewhere therein, between Deutsch and yiddish. The more Americanized term might be something along the lines of “hen party”, wherein the wives all get together during the day for a knosh of pastry, a cup of coffee and a chat.
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Not enough theology in the pua community for ya. Hate to break it to you but theology is needed for fucking women about as much as cosmetics are needed to be a mechanic.
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The site ain’t just about poon… how many times do you pipsqueaks have to be told that? 😡
And if you’re going to rag on King, might as well also try your luck against GBFM, who has been known to invoke the Word on occasion.
But rag on either of them at your own risk… lzozlzozlzozlzolzolzolzolozl.
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Matt King, if you’re still here,
What foundations are needed? And what is your target audience? You act as though we should know, or be able to figure it out. Or is this one of those ‘if you don’t already know you won’t understand’ things? Or are you simply hoping some few people will be inspired to investigate their actions and motivations beyond the merely phenomenological?
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@Sentient: I don’t know any Yids, but I do speak very-broken German. For instance, I am surprised how well Jew-haters are familiar with the Yiddish lexicon around here — shegetz? YT? Ashkenazi? Sephardim? I only know it through context. On the other hand, when Greg says Schloß Eliot, it’s familiar.
A quick search reveals Kaffeeklatsch is simple German without any yid filter.
@no: You’re basically an idiot trying to denounce a point you don’t grasp. But, as with idiots, ignorance never prevents you from plowing ahead, nor even gives you pause. A good virtue to pair with your general stupidity would be humility — but I’ve found that one has to know enough to understand how little he truly understands.
At any rate, I was talking about epistemology, not theology. Although you could stand a basic course in “The Queen of the Sciences.” A man should have a good grasp of what he is denouncing before he denounces it.
Against stupidity the very gods
Themselves contend in vain.
— Schiller
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@forgethesky:
My target audience knows who they are. Having gone through all the stages of becoming a man, I have no nagging insecurities about trying to prove my credibility to the type of boys who brag on internet forums. At some point they will realize that those who talk themselves up are often the ones who haven’t really been there.
I’m not terribly interested in getting boys up to speed with the issues of men — that’s the indefatigable CH’s job, God bless him. I rather would like to engage men who already understand what is at stake, who intuit which issues are irrelevant distractions, who do not require handholding, and mostly, who do not allow their adolescent dick-measuring to get in the way. This is what happens when men have no unifying banner under which to rally — they start looting for themselves and make them enemies to all others.
Women personalize and particularize in order to understand. They are not interested so much in what is said (logos) so much as who is saying it (ethos; — Aristotle’s Rhetoric). That’s tolerable in a woman, but insufferable in a man. So the poor fellows on this forum who were raised by single moms think, not unlike the American Negroid, that everything is about the AMOG. The biggest bitch-tell is their inability to abstract themselves and speak about concepts rather than people. Every statement contrary to their understanding is taken personally, as an insult to their being. Like I said: it’s dealing with bitches, but on testosterone and adrenaline supplements.
The “foundations” required are foundations of faith. Only upon faith can you build the circumstance in which strategic reasoning becomes practical. Even mathematicians must rely on the faith that, say, 4 X 8 = 32 without having to prove it each time they use multiplication tables. The scientist presumes the universe is intelligible and experimentable in order to proceed with any kind of scientific project. Just because the typical scientist has never examined the foundations of his faith doesn’t mean he doesn’t depend on one.
So, yes, I am “hoping some few people will be inspired to investigate their actions and motivations” because that is the source of the invisible, undetectable, postmodern breakdown. Our enemy uses the postmodern man’s small attention span and historical ignorance to fabricate justifications against reality. If there is no investigation (and revolution) at that level, the enemy wins every time by default because they already own that epistemological territory. Therefore political opponents are forced to use Marxist terms (capitalism, atheism, middle class, group rights, the SCIENCE of social interaction) in order to communicate — but with that concession they have already lost. Hence the sorry state of conservatism, which attempts to engage the enemy on the enemy’s home turf with the enemy’s preferred weapons.
None of this is to say we all must investigate every issue down to first principles. But a serious intellectual effort must begin to establish a clear-minded, commonsensical faith to which every unstudied individual (like commenter “no” supra) can refer without hesitation or proof.
I am talking to the men who sense our counterrevolutionary efforts seem doomed, but can’t put a finger on why. I am speaking to those who are naturally given to despair because we have been surreptitiously disarmed. We have all the logic, experience, instinct, history, science, and proof on our side, but can’t make headway against politically correct college kids who know nothing except to toe the party line. It’s bound to drive a culture warrior mad, and to encourage a retreat to the pool where one can rub one’s schlong across daft young drunk quim for temporary consolation but otherwise mutter among old men about how the dern country’s gone to hell. “A little poison now and then: that makes for pleasant dreams. And much poison at last for a pleasant death.”
I am telling you why the effort appears doomed, and why that appearance is false. But men with the capacity to even understand the nature of the problem have to meet me half way. I can’t remediate their deficient education in history and philosophy, and no one has the resources to prop up their sagging morale every time the enemy scores a minuscule victory. They have to be plucky, self-sufficient autodidacts who run to the sound of the gunfire, rather than away.
Two or three sturdy allies gained from this rare forum where the truth is whispered are worth dealing with the hundred manboys desperate for me to know how many husky drunk chicks they “skillfully” finagled onto their ratty floor mattress. Shouldn’t it be enough to say: get a girl drunk and alone and you’re fucking her, rather than puffing it up with “science” and technique and mystical ritual?
But look — the very impulse to want to systematize and recover manliness, even in the small context of scoring strange slot, is the impulse that will save the culture from its feminization. So here I am trying to encourage that instinct while shakin mah haid over its pathetic excesses — as though one could make a life out of focusing like a Ph.D. candidate on how to interact with women. It’s a difficult needle to thread.
Matt
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forgethesky, I addressed your question and it went to moderation.
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Of course, it’s much better to believe in an invisible, supernatural being, right Matt?
You are an ignorant, superstitious dipshit. You are a Jackass Jerkoff Jesuit on a Jesus Jihad, and you are no more suited to opine on epistemology than the village idiot.
Matt King: believes in angels, demons, daemodands, saints and miracles; has admitted he “loves” Feministx/Littlespoon; wooed GeishaKate but was pipped at the post by Mark Minter; is the leading exponent of (and, perhaps, one of the sole practitioners of) “Big Brother Game”; and, perhaps most tellingly, has proudly and unabashedly admitted he has never kissed a woman, let alone slept with one.
And he’s supposed to educate the commentariat on…what, exactly?
Listen up, fuckwad. I’m sick and tired of twerps like you stinking up the joint. This is a forum for those of us who have actually touched a woman. No one here gives a damn about your pompous, nonsensical ramblings. Grab your “the end is near” sign, amble down to the nearest subway, and start haranguing the passersby. The discussions which take place here are far above your intellectual pay grade — to say nothing of your real-world experience with women.
Now go practice Big Brother game on some unreformed slut you hope to convert.
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Bel Riose/Stillicho/whatever other sock-puppy monicker you use, let me put you wise:
Your lame ass calling Matt King a twerp is like Rube Goldberg ragging on Frank Lloyd Wright.
Avaunt, you insufferable pismire… you blackhead on the pimple on a gnat’s ass…
You fairy.
Barring that, come get one in the yarbles… if’n ya got any, eunuch jelly thou!
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@King A, Thanks for your reply.
I understand your desire to re-establish base principles. Postmodernists, rationalists et al have convinced us that they have no base principles – and embedded in a culture which presumes their base principles reflexively and without examination, this can be a difficult sleight of hand to reverse engineer.
I suppose this was displayed to me fairly vividly a few nights ago talking with a quite intelligent, atheistic friend. I tried to demonstrate to him how unconscious biases, rather than base logic, might inform his position, and so he was forced to stare down nihilism, the faith in nothing – not even his own reason – and see himself as being no more that a series of neurological sub-routines that merely give the illusion of a coherent person – or to accept that perhaps a more fertile foundation was in order. Predictably, the result was not epiphany but anger.
I don’t claim to be certain of any base principles myself. But reading your comments from a few years back, mostly at Rollo’s site, helped me to see that there were options other than nihilism in response to the sort of knowledge discussed there. I could see that faith was still possible, and indeed necessary to proceed in any coherent direction. It’s easy to be nihilistic when first absorbing the red pill, especially since people are driven to it ordinarily through pain or desperation in the first place. So thanks for that.
And so here you use men’s libidos as a wedge to get through to them, when all other base desires have been blunted, damaged, or satisfied beyond usefulness. At least with sex there is still desire for passion, and that can be used. Very well, makes more sense to me now.
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Your friend will never be moved by rhetoric or even convincing argument, only by deed. Always represent the cheerful alternative, using words only when necessary. Nihilism is exhausting, especially to the honest seeker who is aware of his surroundings, observant, and intelligent, as you say.
“Always be ready to make a defense to anyone who asks for the reason for the hope that is in you” (1 Peter 3:15). But wait for them to ask, never force the horse to water. And rely on reason, but only when they are disposed to receive it.
We convince first through beauty, then via goodness, and only last by truth. If I could give my younger self a single sentence of advice, it would have been: “Show, don’t tell.” How many, many entertaining but ultimately wasted hours trying to push on a string rather than being patient for the conditions to pull it. The Holy Spirit will soften their hearts in his good time. Or not.
“If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town” (Matt 10:14). Hardened hearts are above our pay grade to fix. Fuck em.
Matt
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Since, other than your lazy cliched use of the word “idiot,” brevity and curtness are not concepts you easily grasp, I will spell it out for you in more personal language.
I demonstrate complete understanding of your position and issue a challenge to prove why your position is of any importance at all to increasing a man’s chances of intimancy of any sort with women and you call me an idiot. You are either a pretentious pseudo-intellectual fool who has only a rudimentary understanding of what he reads or a disingenuous lying snake full of bs.
I can’t give you much credit either way at this point.
This is why you, no doubt, have been mocked and ridiculed by many intelligent and experienced men in your life which has resulted in a ridiculous martyr’s complex pathology. Now tell me how a cleric’s authority, a missionary’s sense of adventure, or an honest man’s strong persistence can game a woman’s love and devotion; or continue to be a consummate a.. of virtually no value to anyone.
I already read your inflated vocabulary word before and ignored it on purpose, because of the silliness of it all. This is in fact primarily a game site and often the “other things” discussed are “First Principles.” I will give you credit and assume you already knew this. I nor anyone else on this site disputes this strawman argument you have so piously erected.
The sexual prime directive of a man in his finite lifespan to spread his genes, for example, is a biological understanding of “First Principles.” The fact that that prime directive can and is expressed in different ways, such as for example, one man could desire to sire 20 children with one women whereas another could desire to sire one child after being with 20 women is a process of the a “First Principle” rooted in human psychology. And my reference to the fact, that your particular moral code or code of ethics is rooted so obviously in your over-dependence on theology, cut right to the heart of the matter-didn’t it sparky? Other “First Principles” such as if human ability to understand reality is innate or a social construct is also considered on this game site.
As far as systematic methodology goes (see using big words for no reason makes me look smart too), we become more creative as we observe, then plan, then express that plan, then see what went wrong with either the plan or with how we executed that plan. This is similar to the scientific method. But as I mentioned before scientists are now incorporating common sense into their use of studies, because science is too damn slow to make use of in a lifetime in our limited time-space continuum.
You can over-intellectulize baseball or guitar-playing. Some people will get more out of that than others. But it isn’t particularly neccessary to be come proficient or even great at those things. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that. If having that point of view makes me an idiot, then I will happily continue in my prideful foolishness; because I am but a simple man with small immature needs who is entertained and pleased with ease. Now enough of this nerdy turdy pissing contest. I’m off on a quest…to find some snatch to graze in a haze dazed and amazed for days down a maze lol.
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I got a big-un stick in mod…
tl;dr The Chateau Heartise is primarily a game site, but often the “other things” discussed are in fact applications of stated “First Principles.” The burden of proof is on King A to prove that his particular application of “First Principles” can game love and intimacy with a woman.
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no: I will reply to your objection if you’re still around.
For now I’ll caution against falling into this common trap:
“No doubt”? Yes doubt. You weaken your legitimate points by making bad guesses about who I am. Otherwise your criticism is fair … Save a couple of foundational assertions you want to pass off (past me as well as yourself?) as incontrovertible.
“The sexual prime directive [Trek much?] of a man in his finite lifespan [is] to spread his genes…” Etc.
Anyway, yes, this is the conversation you need to have if you care at all about the effectiveness of your way of thinking on the rest of your life or the rest of the world. But I suspect you do not care, which is why I’m sticking with my assumption until proved otherwise that you are, in the last analysis, an idiot.
If you’re here just for the Pick Up tips, don’t be troubled by my exchanges with other commenters. Just sail right past them to the dude who will give you 1500 words on how to hold your beer bottle. Or how to fuck your recently widowed sister-in-law.
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King A
Once again the main problem I have with someone like you is you will always assume a pua does not care about self improvement or ethics. You want perfection before action. I say action is at times the reason why we fail and even have to learn life the hard way, but a man who satisfies his curiosity will grasp the meaning of life much quicker than the guy would denies pleasure and in the end goes crazy from it.
I more often than not find a sincere hedonist to be more like a Christian than any cleric. I find that most often it is the guy who is telling you to sacrifice your life for his code of ethics to be the first snake to turn and bite you once you fall into his trap. I also find that those who act as if all their advice to you is out of deep concern, are the people who would steal from you in one way or the other the moment they have your trust. I can’t take people like you seriously. People like you fail at life because you will never learn from your own mistakes because nobody is ever as right as you are. You have to shield that ego of yours because you fear to make a mistake thus you never learn anything new.
You may have the brain and the brawn even, but do you have heart; because ya gotta have heaaaaaaart….miles and miles and miles of heaaaaaaaart……when they say that you’ll never win …that’s when the grin should staaaaaaart…
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There you go again. You make it difficult to have a dialogue when you respond to your own bad guesses of who I am rather than the arguments I present. Maybe that’s your point? to blow off steam rather than have a conversation or to learn something from someone with whom you don’t immediately relate?
I don’t know what you’re trying to say here. I never make an appeal to authority among those I am trying to convince to respect that authority in the first place. It makes no sense. You infer and assert it (“rooted so obviously in your over-dependence on theology”), and all I can do is assert right back that the arguments I employ can be made under natural law with no reference to theology. Your instinct is to associate me with what you take to be a giant fallacy despite the fact that I rely on no such association and the fact that you haven’t demonstrated it to be fallacious.
Surely we can speak about other first principles beyond animal impulses? Oh wait, you agree:
Point to where this ontological conversation is being “considered on this game site.” To my great chagrin it doesn’t exist. Now, sometimes the dick-fixated denizens accidentally butt up against some interesting inquiries, but I’ve never seen those questions approached with anything like coherency. And my original point is you have to become conscious and systematic about these questions or resign yourself to relying on inherited answers too far beyond you to examine.
For the most part, that’s fine, but then check your ambitions. In other words, exchange all the observations and tips about female psychology you want, but restrict yourself from the deeper inquiries where you expose your inadequacies. I’d rather you did examine those epistemological roots and join a more significant fight, but I wouldn’t regard you as less of a man if you chose the easier way with its more proximate satisfactions. This is why I speak of topics for a different audience rather than what animates you.
Does it? I thought it looked obviously foppish.
Your response seems thought out and fair for the most part. Give me a couple of days to get back to you.
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JayMan’s beef with CH is simply that he’s fat, black and likes fat chicks. Thats three twists of the shiv he needs to rationalize, so he’s chosen to claim “science” is on his side, covered in rich, creamy margarine.
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margarine…heh…awful white, runny “margarine”
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I think you guys are much more concerned about this than I am. Why so defensive, folks?
I’m only concerned with the reliability of this one particular study. Also, I find it interesting that for how much Heartiste praises “SCIENCE,” it seems he and science are in reality only fair-weather friends.
[CH: tell me more about your fatass-flattened triple-wide shoes.]
What of certain other results of science (say on parenting/single motherhood or obesity)? I find it interesting.
[you cannot come to accept the fact that an environmental shock(s) created the American obesity crisis which started in the mid-20th century and continues to this day. Genes matter, but so do ecological stressors, especially extreme stressors like packaged food, automobiles, and industrialized sugar mills. As for single mommies, a society which accepts them, pampers them, and enables them will evolve, more quickly than most think, into a single mom dystopia. and for the SCIENCE behind that statement, just look at any culture across the globe with absent fathers. not fun places to live.]
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You’re too polite in a food fight, . If he comes after you with a potato, you come after him with a chair. That’s the Chicago way.
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“Here is my five point plan for saving faltering marriages:
1. Stop giving compliments, flattery, and gifts.
2. Come home from work late every night.
3. Buy yourself new, stylish clothes.
4. Cheat. If she asks, deny. No need to confess to the wife. She’ll be able to smell the competitor vaj juice on you.
5. After three months of executing the above four points, unexpectedly tell your wife her ass looks great.
I challenge any multiple credentialed psychotherapists to prove me wrong. My simple five point system based in a clearheaded understanding of male-female biosocial differences VERSUS the peer reviewed, academically accredited expertise practiced by the husband-shaming marriage counseling industry.”
This was an epic read. Have these 5 points been updated/adjusted at all since this came out? Is number 4 required?
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Testify Vlad… I concur. My LTR was about over at this time last year when I wandered over here from Rational Male. Did all of the above. It took some time and there were setbacks (I was almost out the door 4 months ago), but holy shit how have things changed.
I’m getting killer puss these days whenever I want it. Used to have to almost beg for a simple blowjob, but now I grab her hair and fuck her mouth. Even demand that she take it all. Told her this weekend “I want to watch you gag on my cock”. Surprised even me when I said it, but her enthusiasm was unmistakable.
It’s funny, but I’m also finding alpha mentors in lots of new places. Girlfriend and I hung out with a Latino dude and his American wife in Philly this weekend. Dude is alpha as fuck. Typical Latin machismo. He was a total shit to his wife at dinner… Dismissing and disrespecting her left and right one minute and then giving her just a passing dollop of praise and comfort. She worships him. She even bragged to my girlfriend that she got him a threesome with her and a high end hooker for their 5th anniversary.
I didn’t miss a beat. Told the guy and his wife that my girlfriend is dying to bring another girl into our bedroom, but she just won’t admit it. The thing is, I can see it in her eyes. She’s into it, and I now believe I could make it happen.
I had to really up my game to keep out of AMOG territory with this dude, but held my own pretty well.
He and I left the ladies and went out drinking. Got rip roaring drunk and came home ready to pass out. Girlfriend was wide awake and DTF. Wouldn’t take no for an answer. Didn’t think I’d even be able to get it up, but she was possessed and the sex was unreal… Mind you, this is after several years of the most soul-crushing duty sex you could imagine.
First time I’ve really internalized an alpha mindset — not “fake it to make it”, but really felt like I was in the zone and could stay there. Pretty incredible.
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“she was possessed and the sex was unreal… Mind you, this is after several years of the most soul-crushing duty sex you could imagine.”
Amazing.
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No matter how much the media or SJWs rip on game, experiences like this will continue to bring guys to realization.
Sick work man.
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@Putin
Base don your other posts and concerns about actually cheating, i’d recommend you keep your hands off of the candy. You can definitely turn things around without actually cheating. You coming from a Churchian background with a strong Churchian wife and having gone through Churchian counselling, well they will all skin you alive when they find out.
And you will most likely confess after the fact. Do everything else, in my other posts as well, and you can change things.
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I very horny, sexual 6 beats a 10 who just lays there. Every time.
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Um no because I am going to pound the living shit out a 10 regardless.
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I generally think a man enjoys it more if the woman is into him. Maybe a 6 vs. a 10 is too big of a difference, but he has a point.
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Yep. I’ve had one perfect 10 in my life, but she’s not in my highlight reel, not by a looong way. Dead starfish.
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But you still call her on Mother’s Day right TSW?
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I though moaning was just par for the course.
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In a threatening and aggressive tone i tell them to be quiet and to stop orgasming or I’ll pull out. It’s funny. Then i make them ask for permission to orgasm. Heh. I’m such a db.
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Haha. Love this one. “Shut the fuck up” is a positive feedback loop.
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Interesting. I think the man’s physical appearance does matter in terms of attracting a girl in the beginning, but during sex? Not really. Other things matter a lot more. We’re just not anywhere near as visual as you are.
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Crap! All that upkeep for “Not really” … Can’t argue your POV. I’ve noticed though – when a woman is controlling events – like during oral or girl-on-top – she’s taking it all in – visually … and when she’s receiving – blindfolds actually help make her peak faster.
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Yeah, women’s eyes become unfocused during sex. It’s more about touch, smell, and sounds for them. And the jackhammer pounding, of course.
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We’re just not anywhere near as visual as you are
In deference to the “lady” here, I’ll bracket the man/real talk. You’re welcome.
Physical appearance may be an item on a woman’s mate-wish-list, but it’s far from the top of that list. With men, it pretty much is the list. Or to paraphrase the adage…. Men fall in love (get boners) via their eyes. Women fall in love (are seduced) via their ears.
But most women (the plain, fat or ugly ones) love to deride men’s desire for physical beauty, as shallow. I’m always curious about what these women think when they watch wild life documentaries. In birds for instance (the flying kind) it’s almost always the hen that selects for beauty, like peacocks or birds of paradise. Do they think the hens are being shallow?
Men’s desire for an attractive mate, is far from shallow. It is in fact, a very important evolutionary imperative….. (Fucking ugly chicks is devolution)
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“But most women (the plain, fat or ugly ones) love to deride men’s desire for physical beauty, as shallow.”
Yes, some women deride it. But some just lament it… just as men would like to be loved for who they are vs. how they act, how much they make, etc… we would like to be loved for who we are and not what we look like. That’s all.
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Check this out: http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/02/04/sports-illustrated-to-feature-first-plus-size-model-in-2015-swimsuit-issue/
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burke already posted that another thread
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Fuck yeah Cunts!! Be fuckin yer asses that jizz may runeth out
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I feel a need to set the record straight on sound. It isn’t a linear. 30 db is twice as loud as 20, 40 twice 30 and so on.
For reference, 20 db is about the sound of leaves in the wind make. Most dogs bark up over 70db. The loudest a human has been recorded screaming is 128db, and over 140db will cause pain and permanent hearing loss.
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I feel better now, thanks for sharing
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Let’s all sing Kumbaya.
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We’re only interested in the science of pussy, not the science of silence.
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Good one 🙂 Some beta husbands even afraid of pointing this article about ‘slim girls=better erections’ to their fat wives out of fear that she might just stop the 1-time-per-month 5min sex to them anyway. 😉 Well that would not change anything anyway because she would not lose any fat because he asks for it, right? 😉
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I feel sorry for these guys, it’s a bad place to be sexually, mentally, psychologically. Bring on the divorce! SO much better
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What staggers the mind is the notion hereabouts that all heterosexual males like the same things, and if they don’t they’re somehow defective.
[CH: the term of art is “freaks”.]
If that were the case, sites like xlgirls.com or shemuscle.com would have gone out of business a decades ago.
[plenty of business models succeed by catering to the tastes of niche markets.]
I really doubt guys who ‘settled’ for the respective body type are typical customers of such site.
[most men with fat women have settled. don’t ever doubt it for a second. for proof, see what kinds of girls formerly fat men choose to date.]
Yeah, men generally prefer slim women with hourglass figures, but that’s not the whole story.
[it’s 97.5% of the story. enough to license to film studios.]
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Keep on normalizing, doesn’t change the fact that mens sana in corpore sano. And I’d like to extend that on the blob’s partner as well. Men who love big women have a problem. Period.
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A bit OT but do you guys think Rihanna has begun to hit the wall yet?
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When it does, she’ll be at his house every night to get hit some more.
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I know a dude here who complains to me constantly: “Chinese women are terrible in bed.” But he’s I think what you could consider greater beta…constant whinger, tiny, needy.
My experience has been the exact opposite, but a lot of this has to do with the original post: “Sex is a whole lot better and a whole lot wilder.”
Two of my plates are a testament to this. The first, told me that local guys version of a relationship is going out for noodles and holding hands….there is occasional fucking if the girl allows it.
The issue I have is that once I bang these girls a few times, they not only become crazy in bed…but just plain crazy in ways that they wouldn’t with any other dude.
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So?
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I guess we’re supposed to be all impressed by walawala fucking chineze girls. Ok. We’re impressed. Whoopee
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@FredMertz and I guess we’re all supposed to be impressed by your butthurt passive-aggressive resentment of others’ successes.
Dude…get out from behind that keyboard and meet girls for real…yes…I know it’s scary. But baby steps…you’ll find that special one….shes out there….really.
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nah; Fred is right
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My K-girl was pretty goody-goody in bed the first few sessions but is wilding-up now under my tutelage.
BTW, she squeaks rather than moans. Taking so getting used to!
Yes, the swell of her hips and slim waist more than makes up for the B-cups.
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Making them cum, squirt, scream, and cry at the same time.
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Have you done that? Tell me more…
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http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/02/02/meet-the-77th-battalion-the-british-army-is-mobilizing-1500-facebook-warriors-to-spread-disinformation/
Professional narrative control is now the government’s main function.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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“Why is the population so dumb, so fat, so solipsistic, so uninformed, so oblivious? Why are the men so weak and the women all gone feral? Do you think it might be part of some kind of deliberate plan?”
“Shut the fuck up with your conspiracy theories!”
“Okay. Sure. I’ll just leave this here for anyone who’s interested.”
Boston Bombing Hoax and the Fake Hero, Carlos Arredondo EXPOSED!
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OT:
Johnny Depp (51) and Amber Heard (28) just married in Los Angeles.
Discuss.
[CH: i don’t make too much of male celebrity nuptials. hollywood “marriage” is different than plebe marriage. let’s just say mistresses are part of the package deal.]
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Jack Nicholson – had several children with a woman he wouldn’t marry but put up in a separate house down the block on Mulholland Drive
He acted as a father but could not live as a father in the same house
You know you have pull when a woman agrees to have your babies and live in a separate house
Frankie Valli interview – this is the 5’4” lead singer of the Four Seasons who has got to be pushing 80 years old. They asked him why none of his marriages worked out
‘I would love to fall in love again, but she would have to live next door’
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Depp, along with others in the hollywood witches’ covent, advocated on behalf of a fellow-satanist in the case of the W. Memphis 3, after the blood-sacrifice of River Phoenix at Depp’s nightclub. Would you say Amber Heard about that?
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Always thrilled to see another female age pill post. Moooooaaaarrrzzz!
You know, it’s funny. There are very few slender 18 year old girls who wouldn’t max out my boner turgidity. Conversely, every woman over 35 would cause me to reach for a barf bag.
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Surely the dark Lord has seen the “I fucked Edelman” photo by now. Further photos revealed her to be a gentleman’s 7. I’d bet it follows some Heartistian law that its always the less hot girls who trumpet to high heavens when they get an alpha dick inside them while the hot ones are more discreet?
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“I’d bet it follows some Heartistian law that its always the less hot girls who trumpet to high heavens when they get an alpha dick inside them while the hot ones are more discreet?”
not sure why that would be true but i suspect you are correct. have an ex from way back who just recently married a dude who she had apparently been seeing covertly for a couple of years. no one had a clue. no facebook posts or tweets about him at all. people thought she might actually be a lesbo or something…lol. super hot chick and the guy is some bigwig finance guy. he’s not great looking, by the way. they are very happy from what i understand.
i suppose hot chicks just don’t feel the need to toot their own horn and brag about who they’re seeing. they already know their worth so they aren’t needing to prove it to anyone or reach out for validation from people that they are doing well in the relationship arena.
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They less hot trumpet it because it is rare for them and puts them ahead of their cohort of average looking girls. Remember all women are ALWAYS competing with other women, their real competitors, their friends and yes even withing their own family. Mother daughter competition is hysterical to watch, sister – sister is disturbing to watch, so intense.
anyhow major nightlife guy calls “sabrina” a “5 at best” and touts that Julian was “blackout”, to take the edge off her success….
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2015/02/tinder-groupie-blacklisted-from-boston-clubs-after-putting-edelman-on-blast/
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So now, Mr Lippert has to worry that the Mrs might be tempted to continue servicing one or all of the 5 boys, to avoid one of them ratting her out on the sex charge.
http://abc7.com/news/covina-school-district-employees-charged-with-providing-alcohol-to-students/504859/
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Dog shitting peach pit. Down Under I’ve been known to say and she came like a cat spewing.
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I am asking this in all seriousness-Does CH do consulting? I’m new to game/red pill at the age of 48. I’m reading old posts and learning what I should’ve been taught by my father 40 years ago. I have a 16 year old boy and I am getting divorced. Although I was “almost an alpha’ in my teens and twenties, the shrew I married not only ruined me (I know, I let her do it, I’m working on owning that) but I have allowed her to ruin my boy. I am devastated and more than a little bit panicked. I need help saving him and I know it begins with cultivating my own alpha tendencies. But I’m running out of time with him. He is already halfway to being a passionless underachiever who despite extraordinary intelligence and a handsome athletic 6’5” build, is already settling academically, athletically and soon I fear, romantically. I’m paying a therapist $200/hr to help me, and although it is productive, I need the wisdom of CH, not Freud. Thoughts?
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Man up and sit down with the boy and show him this forum and discuss it with him. Be open about your failings and tell him you want him to avoid being a chump.
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I’m not a parent, but pushing something on a teenager is a recipe for them to reject it.
As always the principle is show, don’t tell.
That said, a good underhanded way to slip the kid some red pill shit: let him discover it himself. Print out a salient heartiste post and put in the pile of reading material by the shitter. Any post on the friend zone will be great. He’ll stumble across the post and pretend not to have found it. Do not say a fucking word when he finds it. If any of it rings a bell he’ll be ripping through heartiste in no time.
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It probably really is that easy. I know that. But the devil is in the details. I don’t want to say anything that will make him love his mother less. I grew up where my father (an abusive, mentally ill alcoholic) was demonized by my mother and the matriarchy that ruled my family. Trust me, I witnessed and received enough abuse from him to know that something was wrong and I didn’t need to have them telling me that from the time of my birth he always resented me and never loved me. But I was made to feel guilty for loving him and it is a horrible feeling for a child, especially an adolescent boy, to be made to feel bad for loving his dad. So, as much as I despise his mother as a person and even more for what she has done to him by teaching and tolerating his mediocrity, my ambition isn’t to make him love her less. I need to communicate to him that it is ok to love his mother but simultaneously recognize that as a woman, she is a power hungry psychological dominatrix who will blackmail acquiescence from you no matter what the cost. I don’t want him to feel like my love is in jeopardy is he doesn’t reject his mother but I couldn’t live with myself if he ever ended up with a woman like her.
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Rowedscholar, I was going to post this at some other time but your comment moved me to go ahead and do it now. My amateur translation of Zbigniew Herbert’s poem “Thoughts about his father”. (Orignal “Rozmyślania o ojcu”).
I’ve been reading a lot of Herbert lately. Perennial candidate for Nobel in literature as promoted by his supporters, but the old soldier passed away in 1998 and so was no longer eligible.
My translation:
His stern face in a cloud over the waters of childhood
(so rarely did he hold my warm head)
given to trusting but not forgiving
Indeed he blazed the forests and straightened paths
Carrying a lantern high when we walked into the night.
I thought that I would sit at his right hand
and separate light from darkness
and judge the living
— but things worked out differently.
A vendor of bric à brac hoisted his throne
He was born for the second time, tiny, very fragile
transparent skin, very fine cartilage
he shrunk his body so that I could lift him.
In an unimportant place a stone casts a shadow.
He grows in me, we consume out dramas
and burst out laughing
when they say how little you need
to be reconciled.
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Thanks for bringing this man to our attention…
… but how the blood boils when one finds him passed over for the Nobel, after seeing some of the other winners and nominees.
Jeez, Louise… if I recall, there was even a movement afoot to get Bob Dylan a prize in Literature. (((SMH)))
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Take your time to read the back material and also have a look at Rollo Tomassi’s Rational Male blog for completeness. CH is usually the hard-hitting truth distilled into punchy writing; RM is more of a slow burn and contains much longer essays. Take your boy out for a long walk (the “we need to have a father-son chat” thing) and broach the subject slowly to gauge how deeply bogged down he is in blue pill world. Give him a taste of it first and let him come to you if he wants to know more. Then you can feed him the rest slowly.
Big point is – if you’ve just found this stuff it will take a while to read, understand, and absorb.
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We are going to climb Kilimanjaro this July after he graduates from high school and I want to be ready for just such a long talk. I am trying to get a sense of his blue pill buy-in now and trying to drop hints that I can bring together in a coherent narrative when we take our trip. I am using the campus rape hysteria to brooch these topics because that is something I think he can relate to. It has provided an excellent segue into red pill wisdom, but problem is, I’m still trying to absorb it myself. Thanks for the Rational Male reference. From what I saw today, it looks like a good resource.
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Especially for a guy in your position, Rollo has a lot of excellent material (bit more of a mature perspective from an older married guy, deeper meditiation on certain themes).
CH is great for nuclear poon-slaying. Some of the stuff here is way too potent to be applied to certain girls without calibration and is definitely a spec ops hunter killer armoury. It can go wrong if you’re not coming from a ‘knowing’ context. I wouldn’t give the boy the rules straight off – he needs to discover the manosphere for himself. You should internalise this stuff first and be able to give coherent dadvice without the support of blogs etc. Best of luck.
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But I’m running out of time with him.
No you’re not. Don’t panic. 16 is a lot of time.
I was on the debate team in high school and the level of PCness was psychotic. I totally bought into bell hooks, Andrea Dworkin level feminism. Obviously, no success with girls. I blew so many opportunities it hurts to think about. Took me until 20 to shake it and find game. Got into a relationship fast and it was only when that ended horribly, at 23, that I really started working on my shit.
I’m 26 and still working on stuff, but I’m pretty badass overall. Ten years of change is fucking amazing. I’ve probably choked more girls to climax than the average man. 🙂
I need help saving him and I know it begins with cultivating my own alpha tendencies.
You’re an awesome parent to worry about how your kid is doing, but you need to get your own shit in order first. If you effectively handle your situation, your son will pay attention and learn. Read through the old CH posts. When you feel like chasing new ass, read through YaReally’s shit. In both cases, apply what you learn.
The biggest thing you can do is treat your ex-wife with amused mastery. Don’t take her seriously, even as she threatens you with divorce money shit. I’m a little young to give advice on how to do this. Sentient can speak to it and his comments are awesome. Go read them.
https://www.google.com/search?q=sentient+site%3Aheartiste.wordpress.com
Specifically focus on not rewarding bad behavior from your ex with attention.
I love my dad but he is not the most alpha of men. My mom wears the pants and used to freak out when things weren’t going to plan. My dad would argue or try to placate her. My little brother and I got older and started to learn game, started ignoring her when the freak outs happened, continued enjoying whatever we were doing (videogames and weed lol). My dad followed and chilled out too. When my mom stopped getting attention for her freak outs they became 100x less common and my parents marriage improved dramatically.
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Get a girlfriend. Let him see you acting alpha with her, and her responding well to it.
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Seconded. Lead by example.
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Well, if I understand it correctly, “acting alpha” isn’t the point, its all about internalizing it and “being alpha” That is what I’m trying to regain and until then I sure as hell don’t want him seeing another woman disrespecting me. I have demonstrated some flirtatiousness with waitresses and hairdressers in front of him which I’m quite sure he’s taken note of. But even making comments to him about how beautiful Vergara is makes me feel like a sexist pig. Thats how deep the indoctrination has been. I’m working on it though. I have a daughter too so I’m struggling to find the right balance because its all so new to me.
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I started teaching my son that women are different from men – that they have no sense of shame, and that they are not pack animals.
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Give him the MMSL Primer 2011, $10 well spent.
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@Sentient/rowedscholar, Yeah, buy that MMSL book, read it, then take a walk with your son and say, “Son, your mother and I are getting a divorce because I fucked up and didn’t follow what’s in this book. Read it and tell me how I fucked up. I’ll give you $100 for the job so that hopefully it will save you from loosing $100,000 in a divorce.” Or something to that extent.
(ps sentient, left a comment in the last post in case you missed it. Expanded on your example)
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Downloading it now! Thanks.
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“Son, your mother and I are getting a divorce because I fucked up and didn’t follow what’s in this book. Read it and tell me how I fucked up. I’ll give you $100 for the job so that hopefully it will save you from loosing $100,000 in a divorce.”
I love this idea!! I think that is a few months into the process. From what I’ve read of it so far, I think it might be a bit of a shock to throw it at him at this point.
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tell him he’s a goddamned failure in your eyes and you won’t love him if he doesn’t get his shit together.
IOW, do what I did…be a fuckin man. My ex tried all kinds of shit, kick the kids in the ass and let them know that a father’s love IS conditional. I had to have this talk with my youngest; either get your shit together or I’m shipping you out, not gonna sacrifice and waste my time if you are going to squander your abilities and spit in my face like this. Fuckin man up and tell them to carry the load they’re designed for and to be excellent.
Men hold men to higher standards. Pussies love everybody no matter how stupid and worthless they are. Give your kids lots of love when they earn it. Be there for them. But the function of a father is to serve as a standard of how to behave. Even if they hate you…you provide. This is right out of Breaking Bad. My kids have at times, because of this divorce shit and the psych abuse their mom did, literally hated my guts but I never yielded, never tried to win their approval or friendship or favor. I’m a fkin man, not a bitch. I don’t need their approval. And eventually, they bent to my will, not the other way around. This is the way of things.
A dad should be a rock, steady…and things flow around you. But if you’re a piece of shit personally, some mangina with manboobs who can’t even lift 50lbs, then you need to fix yourself first. You have to be someone they want to be and to look up to. I came home the other day and my youngest was sitting in front of my rig trying to figure out how to play some song on guitar. I play like an 80s metal god and so I could sit down and play it for him. Shit like that is impressive, wow my dad is awesome. That’s how I used to think, my dad did impressive shit sometimes and it was like man i want to be like that. I have a BJJ black belt, people give me respect and kids can say fuck, this is how I wanna be when I’m his age. You need to be that example for them, especially sons, and same with daughters.
So many guys these days aren’t even the alpha of their own house. Games aren’t gonna help your kid; he needs you to fuckin nut up and take charge of some shit.
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Gotta admit Trav, I don’t have the balls for an ultimatum with my son. My love isn’t conditional but my respect and approval is. And what I’m trying to do is communicate to him that I don’t respect his lack of drive, commitment and passion but that I do love him. I want him to understand that it’s his disappointment in himself that will haunt him for the rest of his life, not my disappointment in him. I can’t create a desire for success and passion in him. If he hasn’t learned it from me, and despite his mothers attempts to beat it out of me I walk the walk and to this day daydream aloud with him about my future plans and passions, I can’t beat it into his head. If hi mother has already won and castrated his drive for success then I don’t see how withholding my love will change that. Withholding respect and approval will have an effect I hope,
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You’ll find more relevant help at “the rational male”
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Print off the 16 commandments of poon and give to your son. As mentioned by others, sit down with him for a heart to heart. Show him the Red Pill blogs – and realize it’s a journey.
I’ve been in your shoes – and it ain’t fun – yet. But it can be – especially with the boy making the journey too.
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You’re right, a part of me is looking forward to seeing how it might bring us closer together. Just hoping it doesn’t drive us apart.
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@Rowed – realize it might – and be ready for that. He’s at that age where he’s got to begin finding his own way – part of that is ignoring what you say (Altho he’s listening).
You have to live your own life – make it a good life he’ll want to emulate – that is the best guide of all for a young man – a happy and fulfilled father who has a purpose, who has strength and confidence and who bangs a lot of hot chicks.
PS – And damn right you should date 20 somethings who are closer to his age than yours – I do this and my son is both jealous and intimidated – for now – but just like with basketball, it won’t be long until he realizes he can do “better” than me in the chick dept
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Take him to a brothel (FKK in Germany) and show him what women can be like – women in their raw natural whoring mode
Show him Vicky Cristina Barcelona and Bardem’s performance
Show him the ZDF documentary about the Survivors of Stalingrad
Show him James Bond films and book
Get him into weights, boxing and driving fast cars
Read every CH post and comments
the list is endless
Nothing is ever too late
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Spot on
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Lifting weights-check. We go to cross fit together although lately he’s been making up a lot of lame excuses about why he doesn’t want to go. I’m also hoping that we can get a bid for the father-son event at the Head of the Charles after he graduates.
Fast cars- check. We went out test driving cars together when I bought my S63 AMG.
James Bond films- check. Hopefully the Sinatra Oceans 11 counts. We just watched that last week together on Esquire TV.
Brothel-that may take some time. I don’t think I’m quite there yet. Although I’m heading to Vegas in 2 weeks for the first time as a single man. If my game is so atrophied that I can’t get any 20-year-old 7’s up to my room then a sweet curvaceous Russian professional might be a real option.
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What was the point the ZDF documentary? Of the 5,000 survivors, the vast majority were senior officers.
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ZDF Survivors of Stalingrad – I think it’s on you tube in 3 parts. The survivors interviewed contained Germans, Russians – soldiers and civilians. It is the rawness that gets me every time and what both sides had to endure to survive – for the Germans : Russians killing them of course, sub zero temperatures, lice, frostbite, freezing to death, starvation, horsemeat infected, cannibalism, surrender then death marches and ten years at a gulag working yourself to death. To survive all that is nothing short of heroic and some returning Germans ten years later were even killed by fellow Germans in Frankfurt for collaboration! Those interviewed (2005?) were all in their advanced years were well dressed, well spoken, tough as nails.
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Thanks for that translation PA. Pretty amazing imagery. Unfortunately, my father never carried the lateen high and a throne was out of the question. My father was always a shadow in my life. If I’m reading the poem correctly, he was more heroic in his death than in my memory of his life, quite the reverse of Herbert’s childhood memory of his father as a near deity. Thank you again for that poem. It will probably rattle around in my head for a few days.
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Great imagery in that poem – good work on the translation.
I can’t comment on having children directly but I will just say that “showing him” consistently and over time is atleast as important “telling him” – you can’t shove this stuff down someone (especially a teenager)’s throat – they have to WANT to learn, to understand.
He has to think – “I have noticed X – why is that?”. Your job is to make him curious and THEN give him the info.
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rowedscholar: “I need the wisdom of CH, not Freud. Thoughts?”
As you know, you’ve got access to many years of his wisdom, for free, on this website (though I’m sure he’d not object to an appreciative hit on the donate button). Continue to utilize that resource. Most everything is at least quite good, and there is more than a fair share of pure gold. Lots of good commenters, too.
But here is the important thing, which makes all else possible: you give a damn. That’s more than an awful lot of people out there, including a lot of fathers. Share your knowledge with your son. It is the job of the older generation to educate the young, an obligation that has been utterly shirked in recent decades – with disastrous results.
Talk to him straight and truthfully (and with respect), as he’s growing up in a society where virtually everyone, and almost certainly every authority figure in his life, is lying to him. Some are lying to him knowingly and intentionally, with malice aforethought, some out of ignorance, and many are probably just dullards who are parroting nonsense. In any event, bad information is bad information, regardless of the motivation or intention. You can be a beacon of truth, perhaps the only one he has.
Encourage him to learn from your mistakes, and then accept the very real possibility that he will not, and instead will have to learn in the school of hard knocks. That’s a truism in this life: you either learn from the experience and wisdom of others, or you learn the hard way – take your pick. Personally, I’ve done both.
Also remember that good advice is not necessarily wasted just because it doesn’t get accepted at the moment in which it was given. Sometimes years have to pass, and then suddenly it clicks. There have been many people in my life who gave me good and valuable advice…which I promptly disregarded. Only much later did it make perfect sense.
Advice, even very good advice, is typically far easier to give than to take. Learn to be patient, both with yourself and with your son. Don’t write him off if he is unreceptive at a certain point and, at sixteen, he can’t realistically be expected to understand all that you have already experienced. To keep it in perspective, always keep in mind that you have much to learn yourself, and you’re almost three times his age.
Good luck to you, and your son is fortunate to have such a father. And you aren’t “ruined,” either.
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Thanks Trainspotter. These have been dark times and I appreciate your comments. I wish the IRL community was as vibrant as online. I can’t even find a men’s divorce group in the 15th largest city in the US, much less a men’s activist group. My goal for my second chapter is to open a classic mens club ala 19th/early 20th century London, replete with barber, shoe shine and daily papers from around the world. The allure of soft leather chairs, roaring fires and crystal snifters of brandy is powerful and recalls a world of male safety that men of my generation (and certainly my son’s generation) will never know. But at least know that your words are helpful. Thank you.
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@rowedscholar
This is a tough one. My own dad’s advice to me was “Don’t trust women” which of course made me trust women…dick.
I only found game after a series of fuck-ups that at the age of 45 lead me to realize I was missing something.
Game/Red Pill is both philosophy and lifestyle.
I think rather than talking “Red Pill” or Game you want to start by inspiring him to work on his “Inner Game”…looking more at shaping that. If he’s slipping in his grades he’s lacking motivation and ripe for a “role model”.
I wouldn’t immediately start talking “game” because from where he’s at he’ll think you’ve got a agenda of some kind or “Dad’s trying to be cool…”
Find a way to connect with him around his own goals, make it about inspiring him to tidy himself up…who are his role models? What are his goals? What does he see his strengths at? Ask him about girls…how does he see that? Start the conversation slowly.
Buying books and turning him onto a philosophy will smack of desperation.
Kids aren’t stupid and have much more access to information than we did.
he needs to feel a bond. That trip may be a good start.
Rather than trying to change him, why not use that trip to transform yourself? Then he can see how you’re someone to look up to and he’ll be more receptive.
I tried telling my beta/victim idiot brother about game, Red Pill etc after his separation. All I got was “Yah but I know all that….”
Work on yourself, start by inspiring him to think about a few Red Pill things: seeing you talk to other women, seeing you dress cool, seeing you start to work out or whatever will inspire him.
he needs a role model and up to now hasn’t had one.
Read what you wrote:
“”I don’t want to say anything that will make him love his mother less.””
Stop thinking about how your wife will take this or how he will view his mother…that kind of thinking is “beta” and co-dependent.
Focus on yourself, lead by example. The boy will follow.
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Yeah, the bitch is about to take me to the cleaners financially. I’m likely going to lose my condo and 401k to her. All because I made more than her. As a dentist she has the earning capability I have, but because I got shuffled out the door every day to work 80hours per week while she did two or three days part-time working for someone else, I’m screwed. At many points along the way, I suggested to her that she buy her own practice or work her way up the academic chain. I honestly would’ve loved to have a day or two home per week with the kids. Of course I was always rebuffed. But the court only considers how much I earned not how much she could have.
As a result of my new found poverty, I’m thinking of totally recreating myself. Taking a 1 week on/1week off job and seeing my kids on the weeks off but taking gigs in Cali, Colorado, Florida and seeing the country first during the weeks I work, putting myself first. And along with this change there will undoubtedly come questions about abandonment of them. It is here I plan to be very frank with them. I will explain that I will always be there for them, but for reasons relating to their mother’s desire for vengeance for the perceived injustices i committed against her, I can’t be the ATM dispenser I was. She has made my financial life as it existed before untenable. Had she been willing to settle for what is fair I could’ve continued to be as present financially for them as before. But because she chose to place her long term financial wealth over my short term financial viability, I won’t be able to support the kids as I once did. And they will understand that causality! Prior to CH and this thread I would have not implicated their mother at all but at this stage its fair game.
And most importantly, I will teach my son that I cannot financially subsidize or support his mediocrity. His mother opposed his summer at Harvard last year where he got 2 A’s in grad level courses. She tried to convince him he’d be too homesick and it wouldn’t help his future admission chances. She also discouraged him from “doing too much” and quitting activities. This summer I wanted to get him into a highly selective cancer research program. I pushed him to complete the application and his mother was right there appeasing him that he could find work or volunteer over the summer instead. In the end, I finished the application essay for him but he didn’t get in. When his mother found out I wrote that essay, it was armageddon and if I had to point at one event that ended out marriage it was that. As it turns out, he didn’t receive the research project, nor did he have a job or volunteer anywhere as she promised he would be required to. He slept until 3-4 everyday, maybe rowed a few times a week and no doubt smoked a lot of weed. He wants to drop his senior scholars symposium and quit rowing because he wasn’t recruited to an elite program. All the times I tried to live alpha and live passion, by training for a highly competitive spot at the head of the Charles or being named medical resident teacher of the year, I was denigrated in front of them by her for my accomplishments. I am at the point now that if my son doesn’t get into an elite university (which he is very capable of doing) I will not subsidize a mediocre beer party of an education for $50k/year. He is either getting a world class education (more for connections and brand associations than the specific educate) on my dime, or a mediocre liberal arts education on his dim.
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Using the trip to transform myself!!! Now there is some good advice. I honestly hadn’t thought of that but that comment changed my whole out look. Thanks walawala
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“Find a way to connect with him around his own goals, make it about inspiring him to tidy himself up…who are his role models? What are his goals? What does he see his strengths at? Ask him about girls…how does he see that? Start the conversation slowly.
Buying books and turning him onto a philosophy will smack of desperation.
Kids aren’t stupid and have much more access to information than we did.”
Re-read this several times and it really sinking in. I like this approach. Thanks again.
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@rowedscholar
i just saw this post, and want to point out this:
“His mother opposed his summer at Harvard last year where he got 2 A’s in grad level courses. She tried to convince him he’d be too homesick and it wouldn’t help his future admission chances. She also discouraged him from “doing too much” and quitting activities. ”
“I pushed him to complete the application and his mother was right there appeasing him that he could find work or volunteer over the summer instead. ”
“As it turns out, he didn’t receive the research project, nor did he have a job or volunteer anywhere as she promised he would be required to. He slept until 3-4 everyday, maybe rowed a few times a week and no doubt smoked a lot of weed.”
these are just basic level shit tests towards your son…and bc AWALT, she doesn’t even realize that is what she is doing…it’s just hardwired into her basic circuitry…
the only way these stop, is by HIM handling them…teach him to agree and amplify…lol…you can’t do it bc they are not testing you…you CAN back him up though…”i think he made a GREAT choice (to continue)…”
he’s in a tough spot, if he’s living with his mother… he won’t likely be able to pull himself out of the ‘slacker’ mode…simply bc of her shit testing (which looks like ‘enabling’)…
“I was denigrated in front of them by her for my accomplishments. ”
you probably have figured this out already, but this was a shit test at you…lol…
good luck!
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@rowedscholar
you’ve gotten some great advice already…you are at about the same spot that i started at (late 40’s) although i managed to turn the corner and avoid the divorce…but it was close. if i had started 6 months later, i would not have had time to pull it around…
now, since you are actually divorced, you have NO excuse to NOT go the PUA route…that’s the best way to actually learn game…and to be there as a resource for your son…
going PUA route is in addition to dealing with your relationship with your son. it’s the way for you to work on you… you just have to read and apply the teachings from here and Rational Male and early MMSL (although that’s for married guys, the principles are the same…) also, Krauser PUA is great for day game breakdown. the principles are all the same bc girls are all the same…
application = approaches…get in a couple of hundred as fast as you can…yes, i said hundreds…lol…you need that many to start to see the patterns…and that’s only the start, but i don’t want to scare you…it’s really not that bad…REALLY scary at first (bc you are well outside your comfort zone…as well as outside social convention/conditioning, the control mechanism of which is shaming…so, you’ll feel lots of shame when you start…be ready for that…) but then it gets fun…REALLY fun…lol…like walking up to a random foursome of cute hb7-8 college girls at a busy coffee shop and interacting with them in a way that gets them to all give you their numbers and have them competing to see which one will get to sit on your lap kind of fun…lol…
the most important thing learning game is going to get you (besides the hot 22 yo pussy…lol) is being able to handle your ex…(and since she’s your son’s mother, if you have a relationship with him, she’s part of that package…) game her and eventually she’ll come around to ‘i made a HUGE mistake…’ she will probably want to get back together at some point if you do things right. (especially after she hits the SMP at mid-40s…lol), but by that time, you will probably just choose to console yourself by having a threesome with those two 23 yo bikini models…lol…
good luck!
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Had a few interesting situations Sat.
First, a 24 yo upqualified herself by telling me her age was older than it would be if she hadn’t waited to go to college. (At least she’s gonna be in the medical field if she has school debt.) She also said that she doesn’t drink much after I told her that dancers don’t drink a lot because it affects their dancing. She wanted hugs after dancing.
Second, a late-20s, early 30s woman was telling me that I’m awesome; we danced a couple of times and I gave her a hug which she didn’t really request but I could tell she wanted. Later when I asked her to dance, she told me that she didn’t want to reject me. She was obviously thrilled that I came by, based on her facial expression. I suspect c0ckbloking by her friends.
Third, I think that the older hens see me as a threat because I dance with young women not in my social circle and they’re afraid that their husbands/bf’s will do likewise. A few of them are unfriendly to me.
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I never really made the association between PUA game and using game to control my wife. I’ve got to admit, my libido is still coming out of hibernation after 20 years with the ice queen, so approaches are an intimidating idea right now. After reading your reply I forced a very awkward approach on some german girls sitting nearby in SBX. Although I had them laughing and chatting, I didn’t pick up a sexual vibe. But then that radar is also rusty. But nonetheless it was a start and I felt good after. So thanks for the encouragement HABD.
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@ Rowed
Check out my relationship posts. I’ve got a bit of a different take than MMSL. It will work on your ex just like on a wife. And you might want to check out my post about Indications of Interest. My wife was an Ice Witch for five years and that turned around. Now the problem is her insecurity; she can’t handle me going out dancing several times a week. Mostly it’s just lessons, which are NBD, but it feels like I am out there with hot young women all the time even though most are into menopause, lol. She fights for dominance all the time, which complicates things a lot. I’m still trying to figure out that part.
I’m very passive in the SMP and my interaction with women is typically them coming onto me and me ignoring their interest/pushing them away. I am out there in the SMP making approaches at clubs for the purpose of dancing, however, so I see lots of stuff. I’m a decade or so older than you are.
Good luck.
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@rowedscholar
that’s a GREAT start…props on getting started and putting in the work. opening a set of girls takes some balls…lol…and it doesn’t matter if you’ve been doing this stuff for a while either… you’re ahead of where i started…my first goal was to actually be able to even approach A girl…and just to ask a question like ‘can you tell me how to get to xxxx?”…lol…yep, super basic beginner crap (and i couldn’t even really look them directly in the eyes)…lol…but it gets easier pretty fast, if you put in the work…
laughing and chatting is great…just do that a bunch of times to get more comfortable with it and don’t even worry about getting laid yet…lol…
the basic progression is blue pill clueless/frustration –> red pill hindsight awareness –> red pill real time awareness –> red pill predictions/calibration in set…and the only way to get there is putting in the work and observing the results…
as far as gaming the wife goes…there is one principle that you MUST understand…AWALT…there are some minor variations, but they are degrees of difference, not actual differences…and that includes beauty queens to ugly lesbian feminists…lol…
so, just keep reading/studying/working on it (doing approaches) and things will come around. post up your adventures/questions/sticking points – for inspiration to others and for help – people around here are pretty willing to help out and give advice…if you don’t get a response, wait a couple days and post up again…chances are good that it slipped through the flurry of postings by CH and nobody saw it…
good luck!
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Never thought of it in terms of her shit testing him. That’s going to take some time to digest. Why would a mother shit test her own son. I think it might have to do with AWALT, am I on the right track?
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@rowedscholar
got one stuck again…
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If Rowedscholar is still reading: this post is aimed lays out the basic CH/manosphere dating talking points for teenagers:
http://dannyfrom504.com/detinennui32s-advice/
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Still reading. Thanks!
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You should stop panicking about your son becoming a loser based on what he does at 16. Neither my nor his generation will ever retire and even if he dicks around for another 10 years, his life most likely will still be salvageable. I think the problem he has is that he isn’t cultivating his real interests(which is why he also quit the activities he was enterprising to get into a good university once he failed to do that).
There must be something he likes doing and if you want him to be passionate about something, it won’t be about something he has to do, especially at that age. If I think of my life, I’m a talentless underachiever professionally, but it doesn’t bother me as much because I’ve spent a lot of time reading and I’m pretty content with being able to understand the world at a deeper level than most people. I don’t know if this skill will ever be useful, but I know that the effort needed to build something interesting would have made me less happy on the long run. Maybe he wouldn’t enjoy having a CL63AMG as much as you do and he’d prefer having a life based on something else than material things.
If you will help him cultivate something that interests him he will also learn how to develop himself in areas where he will have to later in life. I struggled until recently because my parents were too focused on my grades. They didn’t research opportunities to offer to me as you do, but I have to admit I probably wouldn’t have taken advantage because they didn’t aid me in developing along the lines I did feel attracted to. They didn’t see the value in that so I didn’t have something to dedicate myself to and learn how to apply myself. I assume he’s not just a lazy bum, but he’s simply directionless and unmotivated.
Regarding girls, he’s probably masturbating too much and maybe the girls around him are simply unappealing. I think you need to accept him as he is first before you can change him because just expecting things out of him might drive him away. By accept, I don’t mean subsidize his laziness, but you shouldn’t fret over how he should be now because you want him to do X by age Y. Even if he fucks up his education, if he’s dedicated to something he can go to school later in life. For example, I will get my PhD later than I could have had I known what I wanted and applied myself in that direction when I was 16. Sometimes I wish I did, but I did develop in some areas that would have been undeveloped had I done so. The only thing I truly regret is not being more committed regardless of what I was doing and you learn commitment by starting to be committed to things you like. It’s what I did anyway.
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I absolutely get what you’re saying and I think your hit the nail on the head. Although it may not sound like it, all I really want for him is to find a passion and pursue it. I honestly don’t care what it is. I just want him to sink his teeth into something and crush it, not just doing enough to get by. In an oblique sort of way, this story demonstrates what I mean. A few months ago we were traveling to Florida and we were surrounded by foreign visitors who spoke great English. My son jokingly said to me and his sister joined in, that he’ll never forgive me for not teaching him to speak a second language fluently. I retorted that I had elaborate plans to do just that–I wanted to hire an au pair, I hired babysitters from the local universities who spoke english as a second language and even had a business idea called “Au Pair Daycare” which entailed renting a house, hiring au pairs to teach there as a daycare setting and teach the daycare kids in another language. I researched the science, made a business plan and even began speaking to investors before my ex wife blew all those ideas out of the water. For the first time I refused to take responsibility for his mother’s oppressive negativity. I was happy to see the spark of passion for languages in him and I volunteered to get him a foreign language tutor (I decided for my 13th birthday I wanted to learn to speak russian-at the height of the cold war-and I was lucky to find a refusnik soviet jew to teach me. My parents paid for it for 4 years until I went away to college. He knew I used to speak Russian fluently but never knew it was because I had this crazy idea as a 13 year old and pursued it) Anyway, I hopefully conveyed to them the idea that if an idea excites them, that they should pursue it and that I would support them. Achieving excellence at something difficult is the only thing worth doing and that quitting when it gets difficult (like piano lessons, which their mother let them quit without consulting me) is something they learned from their mother and not from me. As a result of that conversation, my daughter, who is passionate about musical theater and now regrets quitting piano, has started piano again 4 years after she was allowed to quit. Interesting, her mother refuses to pay for the lessons out of the support I pay so I end up paying for them in addition to the 4.5k the bloodsucker gets from me each month. So as not to draw the kids into the divorce, I haven’t told her her mother refuses to pay, but as my confidence builds, I think I will mention it to her.
Way, way, way too long an answer but thank you PWN for calling me out and helping me be honest about what I want for my kids. I think I can look in the mirror and honestly say I just want them to be passionate, no matter what that passion is. I think I push them in directions I am familiar with but I would like to think I’d be supportive no matter what their passion
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That is a very tricky situation. Ever since the red pill I have always thought ‘damn I wish I’d known this when I was 16’. But then I realise that my 16 self wouldn’t have taken a blind bit of notice to it. If my father had tried to tell me the truth of the world, I would have just grunted ala Kevin+Perry.
I truly believe the only way to take the red pill is to first suffer the severe emotional trauma that females inflict on the weary Beta/Omega.
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There is truth to this. Nothing teaches as good a lesson as experience.
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Maybe hire in a hottie to truly break his heart. Making your own blood suffer tremendously may seem incredibly cruel to start with, but the side effects of allowing the red pill to be swallowed will more than outweigh your guilty conscience. Probably be a whole load cheaper than your shit therapist too.
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This boy has pulled some seriously hot girls. He does have an aloofness to him that makes me think he’s on the right track. A girl he dated in 9th/10th grade and again in the fall of last year was a solid 8+ (perhaps even a nine but her age might be clouding my judgement). She has since disappeared for the last few months and I’ve asked him a few times what’s up but he just says “oh we’re just friends” I think she may have done the job of breaking his heart. He’s only 16 and she’s 18, both in the 12th grade. I suspect she dumped him for a sexually more mature alpha male college boy. At least I hope because she is the perfect girl to teach him to avoid. Although seriously hot, unfortunately she knew it and was already a master of hypergamy.
I have been dropping red pill hints, one of which is don’t even think of marrying until his late 30’s. He terrified me with his response. “I don’t think I’m going to last past 25 because I want kids so badly.” I could’ve been looking in a mirror!
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Replied to several of these posts at length but they didn’t publish?
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Yeah fuckin moderation is a bitch. I have a couple replies in here for ya too.
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They are really pushing the plus size models as sexy and healthy. Even in my younger ” I just got to stick it in something days” I wouldn’t have even considered her. You are right. A slim waist is healthy and indicates health.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/04/ashley-graham-sports-illustrated-swimsuit-issue_n_6608528.html
The comments will blow your mind.
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On the COVER?! It’s really getting bad if Sports Illustrated is embracing plus size models. When Victoria’s Secret does, it’s officially over. I’m not going to lie, part of me loves this trend because it benefits me. But I think it has the side effect of making men think they can let themselves go, too.
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So you are the third from the right
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Not seeing how this benefits you, Amy.
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It benefits thin girls.
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Do women there seriously believe something is ok because it’s on the cover of a magazine? lol.
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Some dudes seem to be pretty thirsty over there. Let ’em chase these chubsters. Means more slender for me!
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I like how her gravitational field is so strong that the man behind her appears to be literally in orbit around her.
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Re: Suicides
If memory serves, per Board prep material women “attempt” suicide 4 times more often than men, but men kill themselves 3 times more often than women.
Data may be skewed by the SSRIs, anecdotally leading to increase in violent suicide attempts by women, things might’ve leveled up.
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More Alpha, Better Life … would be a better title.
Case in point.
Went out with some buddies to a new upscale bar for happy hour yesterday. Solid redheaded 9 bartender with blue eyes. The jist of the meat of the conversation went like this:
Me: So what’s this place like on Friday’s
HB9:It’s good. It gets pretty packed.
Buddy: What about music. What’s on the playlist?
HB9:Well, we have a DJ on Fridays.
ME: Yeah, but how well can you dance? (insert raised eyebrow and smirk from me here)
HBP: “Woo-hoo!” as she puts her arms up in the air and does a spinning dance twirl behind the bar.
You should have seen how much she lit up after this and how intense she looked at me after that. Tingles were flying. All that over intense eye contact and a bit of game knowledge and wit. And after that when I asked her for her name, told her mine, and held her hand for a bit longer than necessary after the introduction, she was staring even harder.
I told my buddy after we went up stairs shortly after how if we weren’t married how we’d absolutely be killing it around here. He’s a natural.
Game works, gentlemen! Makes even the smallest of interactions golden.
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On the light on this topic, which I fully agree, then how acceptable it is for a woman to not orgasm during sex? Getting over the “it’s my fault” or “what I have done wrong?” mentality, it seems to me that no woman should be spared for not having orgasms in the long run (it may be understood several times where she’s not truly looking for it but she’s got to comply with her master). If she isn’t enjoying it then she sees you as a beta, she’s there only for the gold and should be kicked out accordingly, even if she isn’t pulling out the headache excuse.
I strongly suspect that this “70 % of the woman can come from mere thrusting” is BS that either means “70 % of the women aren’t getting laid with the man they truly want but the one they married instead” or is merely a lie thrown there to the betas to hide the fact that it’s not impersonal biology but very personal disgust the root cause of her lack of orgasm.
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OT – guurrrrrrlllllssssss just wanna play football – what could possibly go wrong?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/caroline-pla/post_8990_b_6608062.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
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They’ll have to extend “protect-the-quarterback” type rules onto ALL the positions…
… or maybe just give everybody pull-flags to hang on their waists.
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Google finds that Muslims are more depraved than Westerners:
Link
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ot: Do Hot Teachers Get Less Prison Time When They Sleep With Their Students?
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Haha, I love how the bitch at the very bottom looks like a man… so she got sentenced like one.
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CH, regarding the article you linked about Putin, I think those people are deluded. Putin is merely taking actions that are beneficial on the medium and long run at the expense of the short term standard of living of his population. The Western elite can never understand this mentality because they’re nothing more than speculators who try to kick the can down the road another four years.
I’m not entirely sure what Putin aims to achieve through diplomacy though. He somehow expects the Western EU NATO countries to be more than the mere satellites of the US. Considering the US is following an unilateral foreign policy based on pre-emptive attacks on anything that threatens America’s hegemony, diplomacy means surrendering to the DC consensus. I think Putin’s main problem is that a part of his country’s upper middle class does nurture the delusion that the West is all sugar and spice(I used to be a proud member of the cult of America lol).
Given that diplomacy won’t fix this crisis unless Putin caves, what Putin should do is admit the Eastern part of Ukraine into Russia and announce that any operation of the Ukrainian government there will be considered a declaration of war on Russia and be met with the complete annexation of Ukraine. This way he has his port at Sevastopol, he gets a land bridge to it and it’s all good.
Washington et al will do nothing beyond more sanctions, more weapons for Eastern Europe(aka the DC politicians got paid off by the military industrial complex to subsidies exports of armament to people and DC gets to pretend it does shit). Nobody will surely declare war on the other. So what Putin should do next is a combination of:
1)fund the ‘extreme’ right within the EU while banning NGO funding by NATO countries within Russia
2)agitate the immigrant populations within the EU
3)provide anti-air capacity to ISIS/ISIL so that any action taken by the US in Syria and Iraq in the air will result in potential losses
4)ISIL wants to overthrow the Saudi royal house; mayhem there => higher oil prices => Russia profits(and America, the shale gas people will go bankrupt at these prices)
5)agitate the Taliban and help them in Afghanistan
6)demand rubles for oil&gas exports to make the ruble go up
7)use the USD reserves of Russia to buy the gold shorts on the market and demand physical delivery(aka Russia will buy the gold without fucking the price as much than if it bought it outright and if the Fed rigs the gold market to hide the effects of the QE, it will be exposed)
8)ban commerce in USD within Russia and refuse USD in exchange for exports
9)use the remainder of the sovereign funds to wreck havoc in Western markets.
10)provide help to Iran in building their nuclear program
What would America do? Lie more about Russia? Of course, being Eastern European means I want stability in the area with Russia’s control being curtailed, but I do have to admit it would be amusing for Russia to continue bitch slapping the West and doing some of the things I mentioned(mostly because I’m fed up with America’s lying, hypocrisy and promotion of shit ideas).
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Pyjama Wearing Ninja- Nice to see there are a few Americans not gulping the blue pills.
Putin does not want or need a land bridge. He already contracted out to build a bridge. Putin just wants a buffer and some autonomy for those who voted democratically for it. Just like the democratic vote in Crimea. The U.S. loves democracy except when it happens in other countries like Syria, Ukraine, etc…
Bottom line is Americans are the most dumbed down group of people on the planet. The rest of the world is laughing hysterically at the desperation of Washington and it’s media puppet trying to produce propaganda about aspergers syndrome and gay Putin.
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I’m not American, I’m Eastern European. I have to admit that personally I’m split over this issue because while Russia having a less influence in Europe benefits me personally, I think the NATO side is disgustingly hypocritical and full of shit. I just think it’s farcical people still believe what the US government peddles without any evidence after Iraq, Syria and tons of other situations when DC lied through it’s teeth.
And I don’t think the land bridge theory is bullshit because having your military port connected to your country by an artificial bridge is silly. There’s no reason for Putin not to desire to incorporate the Eastern side of Ukraine into Russia. I’m not sure how much of the industry there remains after the bombardments, but the East in Ukraine used to be more industrial. I just think his attempts to do so through diplomacy have been misguided because even if he’s in the right, DC would never permit losing face this way(mostly because the US hegemony rests on it’s NATO vassals helping America). I think this tactical mistake rested on a false belief that the NATO countries are more independent in their foreign policy.
Btw, while Americans complained that Obama got closer to Cuba last year, I thought it’s brilliant. This way he can thwart an attempt of Putin to do a bravado play with nukes in Cuba like the USSR did in the 1950s. If the US is unable to prevent Russia from becoming Cuba’s friend, this debacle will be more amusing.
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Agree, but Putin has already handed out the contract to build a real bridge. The land bridge theory was B.S. just like the gay and Aspergers theory.
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Hey guys, CS won’t let me post anything longer than a sentence!!!!!
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Advice from the peanut gallery needed: GF of 1.5 yrs loves strongly, very sweet and nurturing disposition. Sex is roughly once a day. Doesn’t get soaking wet as easily as she did in the first 6 months. Wants it often but it takes role play or porn to get things gushing. I indulge anger from time to time, spank her and toss her around, keep a sprinkling of asshole silliness in the vibe. It seems like steady state game, but anyone have ideas for little things to motivate the subconscious and get the juices flowing? A little flirting with others works, but sometimes she just gets really sad and thinks I actually might ditch for a hotter girl. I am wary of turning up the sweetness and long term too much, don’t want to undo the slightly aloof groundwork.
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dibbledabble-
“but it takes role play or porn to get things gushing.”
Exactly, I am having trouble getting a good answer to this on CH. Glad to see others have a similar issue.
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You realize with his you are proving my point you take issue with below, don’t you?
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What you guys need to understand is that constant arousal is NOT steady state for women. No matter who you are or how alpha you think you are women will baseline off of you very quickly and keep seeking higher and higher levels – or not care at all if resources are being met. Why? Hypergamy programming. Always ready to reach another level after you baseline.
There is no answer for this. Hypergamy is hypergamy is hypergamy. Believe me, Angelina is over Brad’s shit. Every high value guy (and girl) has someone who is is over their shit. Just face this reality. Dread can help keep the average woman in line, but long term you are all going to trend to the average. This is why you need to establish a high “high water mark’ in your sexual relationship. Because very few will LTR at below average and accrete from there.
If you are stuck in a LTR that never met your sexual desires, well you are fucked, VEGAS is betting against you reaching your goals.
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Sentient, sorry bud but I am calling bullshit.
Sure you make a valid point on “Angelina is over Brad’s shit”. But that does not mean Brad can’t reset the relationship.
“This is why you need to establish a high “high water mark’ in your sexual relationship.”, WTH is this? Do us a favor and communicate in Layman’s terms. Dibbledabble spelled out his situation clearly so maybe give him an explicit answer on whether there is another way to get his girlfriend super horny without having to use porn. Is porn going to be his best option?
” or not care at all if resources are being met.” What kind of resources? money, homes cars? I know you can reset without them. Hell, a homeless man can reset if he plays his cards right.
“If you are stuck in a LTR that never met your sexual desires, well you are fucked, VEGAS is betting against you reaching your goals.” This is the bullshit line of the month. Really? What do they say about the word “assume”. There was never any indication that dibbledabble or I were in a relationship that NEVER met our sexual needs. Besides that mentality is 100% beta. Never Give Up. You can always gather data and get an edge.
As for my situation I married a women who never had an orgasm until me. She had never been dumped by a guy before. She would make mince meat out of 90% of men. So I have had to go through some marriage hell. I eventually reset the relationship all on my own while my business went south. I could write a book on this shit. The reason I come here is because there is good information and I always want to learn more.
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“Angelina is over Brad’s shit.” Yes you are correct here.
“not care at all if resources are being met” – What is this? Code for money, houses and cars? If so then it is dead wrong. A homeless man can reset a relationship if he plays his cards correctly.
“This is why you need to establish a high “high water mark’ in your sexual relationship.”- How about some layman’s terms. Give an example.
“If you are stuck in a LTR that never met your sexual desires, well you are fucked, VEGAS is betting against you reaching your goals.”- This came out of left field. Not sure what this has to do with anything? Dibbledabble gave clear examples of how porn has helped amp up the excitement for his women. This is not uncommon in LTR’s. I believe he was asking if anything else can be done which would be better than porn to get her excited. The spark was originally there but in LTR’s it can fade even if both people like each other
As for me I married a women who had never been dumped by a guy and never had an orgasm until me. Then with me she had finger nail digging, screaming orgasms. I have gone through marriage hell but have been able to reset the relationship. My women would make mince meat out of 90% of men. I could write a book on this shit. The reason I am here is to learn more as there is some good information here.
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Sentient, I have to call B.S. on some of this. Agree with the Angelina analogy but the rest does not cut the mustard.
My situation is that I married a women who had never been dumped by another guy and never had an orgasm until me. She had finger nail scratching, screaming orgasms with me in the beginning. Have been able to work my way through some pretty serious marital hell with a women who would make mince meat out of 90% of guys. I could write a book on this shit. I come to this sight because there is good information.
“Wants it often but it takes role play or porn to get things gushing.”
Dibbledabble’s comment is legit and deserves a legit answer.
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I am calling bullshit.
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It’s not good, it’s not “nice”, but Sentient’s right. LTRs and freaky-deaky sex are fundamentally at odds in certain ways.
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@putin – please explain yourself. Tell me, after you have fucked your girl, literally for the 1,000 time in 20 years, do you really think it’s going to be all highlight reel stuff going on?
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@Putin – consider this… women become inured to their surroundings quiet readily, you need no more example than her closet. Filled to the brim, bursting with hard sought treasures and yet all you hear is “I have nothing to wear”…
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Lets try this again and hope it takes….
“Angelina is over Brad’s shit”- Absolutely true.
“or not care at all if resources are being met”- Needs a little bit better explanation.
“establish a high “high water mark’ in your sexual relationship”- Decide this is the best that sex will ever get?
“If you are stuck in a LTR that never met your sexual desires, well you are fucked, VEGAS is betting against you reaching your goals.” – With all due respect who the hell are you referring to? dibbledabble? Me?
My situation is that I married a women who had never been dumped by a guy or had been given an orgasm. She had fingernail digging, screaming orgasms with me. Have been through some real marital hell. My wife would make mince meat out of 90% of guys. I have successfully reset the relationship on my own even with the downturn in my business. Still working on fixing the attitude of a 19 year old daughter who hates her dad.
I could write a book on this shit. I come to this sight because there is some good information.
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Sentient, I have tried to respond several times but my posts are not working on CS…..
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Sorry if this is a dupe because many posts are not showing up….
Sentient, I am going to have to call bullshit.
“Angelina is over Brad’s shit.” Yes you are correct here.
“not care at all if resources are being met” – What is this? Code for money, houses and cars? If so then it is dead wrong. A homeless man can reset a relationship if he plays his cards correctly.
“This is why you need to establish a high “high water mark’ in your sexual relationship.”- How about some layman’s terms. Give an example.
“If you are stuck in a LTR that never met your sexual desires, well you are fucked, VEGAS is betting against you reaching your goals.”- This came out of left field. Not sure what this has to do with anything? Dibbledabble gave clear examples of how porn has helped amp up the excitement for his women. This is not uncommon in LTR’s. I believe he was asking if anything else can be done which would be better than porn to get her excited. The spark was originally there but in LTR’s it can fade even if both people like each other
As for me I married a women who had never been dumped by a guy and never had an orgasm until me. Then with me she had finger nail digging, screaming orgasms. I have gone through marriage hell but have been able to reset the relationship. My women would make mince meat out of 90% of men. I could write a book on this shit. The reason I am here is to learn more as there is some good information here
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Lol! So the posts show up 2 days later? Whatever…
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Alpha is truth.
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OT: Heartiste if Twitter tickets you for ‘trolling’ or harassment, or does anything of the sort, quit the damn thing and short the stock ASAP. TWTRs fall wlll be swift regardless but a clamp down on incorrect voices could very well be the tipping point.
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“70 dbs (2 black women)”
Lol. you are such an ass!
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140 db (2 black women orgasming at the same time)
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No matter how jaundice-eyed we are with the betrayal that is Murca, you are not a real American if you do not get just a little choked up when listening to this red blooded medley by Johnny Cash. Did he know that he is singing an eulogy?
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Simply disgusting. The original version of that song
Now fouled into nationalist propaganda. When people start worshipping idols very bad things follow. Given what you posted below, PA I’d expect better.
oink
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Are you a pig? Learn the difference between ‘worship’ and ‘value’.
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I’m not sure any transition from Marxist propaganda to nationalist propaganda could be considered “fouling”.
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Cash has injun admixture; part ni66erfoot if Im not mistaken?
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He has zero non-European ancestry.
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well then it must be negro. Johnny Cash may be talented but he is still 100% white trash and that usually means significant mongrelization somewhere in his ancestry.
Ironically, that makes him more American than your Polish ass.
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It’s long been de rigueur for ‘murrican entertainer and other just-plain-folks to claim part injun ancestry…
… as if it gives them some sort of gen-you-ein, salt o’ the earth, not-just-white-bread cred or something.
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In my amateur translation below, Zbigniew Herbert’s (1924 – 1998) “Speculation about Barabbas”. An interesting fact is that he is related to the 17th century English metaphysical poet George Herbert. Original title: “Domysły na temat Barabasza”
My translation follows:
What happened to Barabas? I asked, no one knows
Unchained he stepped on to the white street
Able to turn right, to go forward, turn left
Spin in circles, crow with joy like a cock
He the emperor of own hands and head
He the ruler of his own breath
I ask because in some ways I was involved in the matter
Lured by the crowd in front of the palace of Pilate I chanted
like the others ‘free Barabas Barabas’
All shouted; were I alone to stay silent
All would be exactly as it was to be
Now Barabas perhaps rejoined his gang
In the hills he kills cleanly robs quickly
Or he set up a pottery shop
and hands defiled crime
he purified with works of clay
Or he’s a water carrier, mule driver, loan shark
Or a ship owner — on one of them sailed Paul to the Corinthians
or — which can not be ruled out —
he became a valuable spy in the pay of the Romans
Behold and admire dizzying game of fate
about the possibility of the potency of fortune’s smile
And a Nazarene
was alone
without options
up a steep path
of blood
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Seems completely off topic here, but how beautiful. Mind if I pass it on?
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So, do not put the nation-state on a pedestal chum.
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http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2015/02/04/4173832.htm
“… the length of one’s ring finger indicates the level of the hormone testosterone to which one was exposed in the womb.
The longer your ring finger is, compared to your index finger, the higher the likely concentrations of foetal testosterone.”
I have yet to read an explanation of WHY or HOW a given foetus is exposed to testosterone in the womb.
Having a high Testosterone mother?
Having a high Testosterone father (genetic factors)?
External stimuli on the mother? e.g. regular/frequent sex during pregnancy?
All of the above?
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As Butthead once learnedly remarked to Beavis,
“The angle of the dangle is inversely proportional to the heat of the meat”
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[…] Tucked in the CH archives is a seminal (heh) post on the subject of male sexual pleasure and how it relates to women’s hotness. […]
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OT, maybe of interest:
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21642000-promiscuity-and-fidelity-seem-be-specific-biological-adaptations-their
Human mating strategies
Cads and dads
Promiscuity and fidelity seem to be specific biological adaptations. Their manifestations in men and women are not as different as you might expect
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Massa Greg I was talking about the ORIGINAL original, not schlomo Guthrie’s pissant-nazi remake
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Funny how many guys think Alpha is about driving a big truck or being a mans man. Have seen a lot of so called Alpha turned into beta wimps running barefoot in the rain from a beautiful women.
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Remember that a women’s beauty is one of, if not the most powerful secular force over a man in this world.
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Mrs. Gamer’s NoSex ™ position was utter bull5h1t. Massive insecurity test. Post to follow.
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Mrs. Gamer’s biggest “problem” with me is that she says that I do what I want without regards for consequences to others. Bullseye. That’s what I want her to think.
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Guys,
Very feminine women ultimately prefer Betas. It’s how our brains are wired. We want security, safety and reliability. Alphas cannot provide these basic primal needs for women because they think for self first, seek to upgrade regularly and are viewed with suspicion because their motives are rarely trustworthy or honourable. Instinctively women may prefer their seed as it displays physical strength but that is their only use for them, other than that they are very very emotionally stressful for the feminine woman who has much instinctual insecurity to deal with. Even if an alpha attempts to make a woman feel secure she never really will with him purely because of his untrustworthy traits as well as competition from other females so she may leave for a beta for what she needs: security.
I’m often surprised that men don’t know this! Just look at the Polish study on digit length (testosterone/estrogen indicator) and you will see that very feminine traditional women don’t cope with alphas and choose betas. It is the alpha higher testosterone women who enjoy the alpha male game and actively seek it, they are very attracted to alpha males.
If you really want the devoted, feminine girls you might be better adopting a beta status. Otherwise there are alpha women who would like your energy. Just be prepared that alpha women (like the alpha male) are more promiscuous so you may never really know who’s seed she’s carrying. Apparently 1 in 5 children in the US are being raised by a father who believes himself to be the biological father but isn’t…..
Also, if she’s attracted to alphas it’s the alpha status she’s attracted to in you and you’d have to maintain your status because any perceived drop in status will have her losing attraction and following the other alpha males she’s been taking note of during the relationship.
Mind games are exhausting and feminine nurturers become insecure and miserable with alphas trying to remind them they’ve always got competition. No woman can relax , love and raise little ones in that environment. That’s why I believe betas win in the end.
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That’s why I believe betas win in the end.
trollololol
“Win” here means “get to pay for raising someone else’s kid, get to enjoy chick drama, and get little to no sex”.
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Win means paying through the nose for sloppy seconds thirds forths…
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Also, I’m genuinely confused. What is the purpose of this site exactly? I thought alphas were their own men, doing their own thing but I’m seeing an online support group with advice on becoming more alpha?
[CH: actually, you’re seeing what you want to see, which is feminist-colored tripe. but nice concern troll effort.]
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What is the purpose of this site? Anything you want it to be.
“I thought alphas were their own men, doing their own thing…”
Exactly. Hence the reason we are here. Anyway you can learn a lot from others.
“I thought alphas would be too occupied with great tasks and responsibilities…”
You thought wrong. Alphas enjoy their leisure.
“Too much like a women’s club?”
Not even.
“…just come naturally to an alpha? ”
Even a natural studies his craft in various ways. Self-discovery and self-improvement do not always come “naturally.” Whatever that means.
But no, not all alphas are born alpha.
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