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There are scores of CH posts in the archives dealing with game for married men: How to (re)seduce your wife, and how to seduce applicants for mistresshood. But there aren’t many posts about picking up married women. An odd oversight, or a tribute to a latent moral code in the heart of CH?
Nevertheless, we feel it is important to give it all to the reader: The light, the dark, and the chaotic. To shy from forbidden topics would be a refutation of everything the Heartiste abides.
Will writes,
this is what I do if they are married or have BFs (you’d be surprised how many girls wear fake rings to weed out the weak.)
Anyway, the line is simple
Alpha-In-Training:” so, let’s grab a drink sometime.”
Cougar: “Oh! That’s so sweet, but I’m engaged, see my ring?”
AiT: “Hey, it’s just coffee”
::hands her the phone with the ‘New Contact’ screen already open::C: “I shouldn’t…”
AiT: “How about this, I’ll shoot you a text and you can think it over.”
Works like a charm.
The above does two things. It demonstrates that you are persistent and get what you want. Secondly, she has plausible deniability. You’ve given her jiminy cricket a way to justify her giving out her number.
It sails right past any objections in a smooth manner.The “it’s just coffee” and “I’ll shoot you a text and you can decide.” win 80% of the time.
I’m of the belief, perhaps optimistic, that a married woman truly, deeply in love with her husband cannot be seduced to betrayal. If I’m right, the problem remains: Just how many married women truly, deeply love their husbands? In this diversifying, slut parading, trust-cratering society we call a nation, vows of fidelity seem quaint. How many wives would you trust to uphold their end of a marital contract when every signal and every noise encourages female empowerment through perfidy?
Will is basically correct about the two premises that must be established when picking up married women. One, you’ve got to foresee and neutralize objections. This is obvious. Married women aren’t going to jump to pressure tactics. It’s too easy for them to lean on the crutch of their back-at-home hubbies when the heat comes between their legs. This means, in practice, giving her hamster a lotta room to spin. You’ll be courtly aloof, but with white hot sexual intent communicated all the same.
Two, all you need is her number. Unless she’s aggressively seeking an excuse to cheat, an insta-date isn’t likely an option. Secure her digits, then text her once later, maybe even a few days later, so that the temptation to sin simmers in her.
The happily married woman can’t be “taken with extreme prejudice” like the single woman. She will need to feel like she’s exercising some control over the proceedings, and she will need to feel like she can walk at any time.
On a related subject, a buddy I knew sometimes wore a fake wedding ring when he departed for the hunt. The first time he did this, I told him it was counterproductive. Surely, most girls will balk at getting hit on by a married man? He smiled, and said, “I have a line with this ring. ‘Oh, I’m not married. I just wear this ring to scare away stalker girls.’ Or I say, ‘It keeps away unwanted attention.’ It really messes with their heads. It’s like when hot girls sometimes wear fake wedding rings so they don’t get bothered by guys all the time. I’m telling them the same thing, except with the sexes reversed.”
magistro meo, mi amice…
[…] Picking Up Married Women […]
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I tried picking up a married woman once, but was unable to lift the 425 pounds.
lol
–The GBFM
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425 pounds! Nice!!!!
But… I am going to strongly agree with CH on “I’m of the belief, perhaps optimistic, that a married woman truly, deeply in love with her husband cannot be seduced to betrayal.”
There was a time during my learning game to the fullest that I would solely concentrate on getting women to cheat on their husbands and BF’s and I just did a big interview on the topic of Why Women Cheat recently and this post reminded me of something I encountered during those years of banging tons of so called monogamous women…. and that is…
Women are only truly in love with their men and will remain loyal at moments during the relationship and those moments come and go depending on the circumstances inside of the relationship and whether or not her needs are being met.
During the moments of doubt, hardships or trouble she’s “open” unbeknownst to herself to spreading her legs to the “right” man! The question then is can any women remain loyal and in love without having moments in the relationship where she can be seduced? Unless the man is a Game-Alpha master, I seriously doubt it.
This is a big reason that women can backwards rationalize their promiscuous behavior and return home with a smile on her face. They relieve the guilt by justifying their actions because they weren’t fulfilled at that particular time and turn the blame on their man-bitch! Essentially it was his fault.
Also, one of the questions I would ALWAYS ask married women when I approached them and was blatantly told the she was married is, “How long have you been married?” and “How long were you dating before you got married?”. This would give me an exact idea into the relationship status as the longer she’s in it, the less satisfied she is especially sexually. I knew my odds of sleeping with her very well just by her answers to that question. I would also sometimes throw in this question, “What’s the secret to keeping the sex alive and passionate after all those years?. 9 out of 10 times she would reveal that their sex life was less than optimal.
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@Glen +1. Nice.
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Just to mention the reference to all you need to know about sexing married women (that “last bastion of uncomitted sex”)
http://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/sex/Technique/Seduction/Major%20Mark%20-%20Scoring%20With%20Married%20Women.pdf
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Interesting post — in a very closely related vein CH
** Moving in on the married SISTER IN LAW ** question esp for older guys
let me preface that if you are wondering, this is more common than you might think.
See Alpha Martin Brodeur:
http://fabwags.com/genevieve-nault-nhl-player-martin-brodeurs-wife/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=genevieve-nault-nhl-player-martin-brodeurs-wife
So – let me set up situation, as i have my own opinion but may need some advanced game advice
married in 40s. sister in law also married has just hit 31. she is decent enough for that age but beyond that there is a spark that simply does not exist — personality wise – with my current wife.
advice to younger guys : if you are going steady and contemplating marriage, please give careful consideration to her sister (s). If you meet the sister and you have even an inkling that you would be happier with her – be straight up and break it off with her sister.
Don’t live with a lifetime of regret.
it turns out – my sister in law was maid of honor to my wife. there are kids involved in both marriages. obviously a dicey situation because there are kids involved. you don’t want to fuck and have the red headed cousin to your kids being actually… your kid… with your sister in law,, etc , etc, — you get the picture.
so it goes without saying, i am very aware of the consequences and it would never go there.
**** factors involved re: getting into my sister in law’s pussy
— 1) the sister in laws bond to her sister (my wife).
both were maids of honor to each other. possible loophole: they are close in a way supposed to be close, but not actually very close. In that their personalities seem to be opposite of each other. so possibly the ‘female sisterly loyalty” the SIL has not to have her sister’s husband’s cock in her ass (me) is more exaggerated than in reality
— 2) the sister in law’s husband (my brother in law).
interestingly he is same age as me (like her sister she married an older guy). however in every other department, 6 years after marrying him I look like a prize compared. her criteria for marrying him, like many girls of her millennial generation, was that he bought her a few beers in a NYC bar and things went from there.
he “told good stories at the bar, and my girlfriend’s all liked him” seems to be her criteria. flash forward 8 years later and the guy is so estrogen-dominant that, in recent pictures, it looks like she is married to a balding overweight woman.
so much for marrying the “alpha at the bar” lol
the charming rancanteur in a bar has turned into a functioning alcoholic bullshit-artist who is middling middle class just had a hip replacement (i speculate he fell down drunk). which leads into:
— 3) is my sister in law getting fucked correctly by her husband??
2 telling pieces of evidence. lets start with a piece of CH advice —- as CH as expertly divined – when a girl is not shaving her pussy this is a major sign she couldn’t care less about pleasing her current man
as CH has said: a messy crotch is a clear sign a girl is, at the least, not pleased with her sex life. or even better, possibly not getting fucked at all – even if she is in a relationship
labor day weekend with the extended family at the beach – i noticed my sister in laws bikini had quite a bit of stubble extending out past the crotch lining on her bikini bottoms.
SIL is not shaving for her hubby.
Now how did I notice this. Because I felt someone staring at me as I dashed in and out of the water playing with my kids. It was SIL staring intently at me, but unsmiling (more on this below). A look she held for about 9 or 10 seconds.
secondly, after his hip replacement – + the well-known 7 year itch in relationships – my gut is telling me SIL is NOT getting fucked correctly by my brother in law
So there is a strong possibility I have no competition. She is not getting fucked correctly. Also I know she is not around a lot of guys at work.
Also, like her sister my wife, she is essentially what CH would call a “feminine good girl”. In that, she is a typical feminine girl, who has a lot of girlfriends. Although she had several boyfriends and fucked before marriage, as best I can tell, she was not guzzling cock on the carousel
— 4) SIL body language
As mentioned for past year, I find, at family gatherings, SIL looking very intently at me, but not smiling
(Paging Ya Really ) – I know from reading you, and skimming through some body language books, that when a girl is looking and smiling, she wants you. But what is the deal with the unsmiling? Is this the sign of a girl who is on the fence? Or seriously contemplating something so taboo that you are pushing her to the edge and she doesn’t know how to deal with it?
round Christmas at the family holidays, I noticed it again – with another wrinkle. Christmas Day I happened to be casual – much better looking than my brother in law as usual with a full head of hair and paleo jacked. I was also wearing jeans, well-fitting, and I was sitting on the living room couch. I also don’t usually wear boxer shorts. Its really uncomfortable. So I was a bit “manspreading” – a bit spread out on the couch, with no underwear. I suppose, if a girl was looking intently enough, she could divine some of my package and the fact that I go commando.
Well it turns out SIL sits down across from me, in a couch horizontally across the room. In red jeans, with no panties on underneath apparently. She also then SPREADS HER LEGS a bit like I am – while chatting with her grandmother and some of the kids on the floor under the tree.
basically imitating me.
I swear to God I then saw her vulva swell under the tight jeans she was wearing with no panties. I could literally see her vulva and cunt in the tight jeans.
She then gets on the floor with the kids, with her ass sticking out doggy style for about 10 or 15 seconds, before getting into a more normal position playing on the rug with them
So – we hit another Q here – when a girl seems to be * imitating * you in body language what does this mean? She is not overtly sitting next to me, and putting her hands on me. Given the situation that we are both family, in front of family, she can’t do that.
But when a girl is ** imitating * you in body language, and matching you provocatively, what does this mean? How amenable is she to the bang? Or is she just leading you on?
— 5) SIL Demeanor
Given the situtation that we are family, in front of family, there is NO overt flirting, as you can imagine.
What she tends to do is —- after some time in these family gatherings. if I am sitting alone off somewhere in the house, or on the deck – she will sit next to me. She’ll do things like twirl her hair, and ask me about my business.
Another thing she did: SIL was over my house alone recently. My wife is outgrowing some of her dresses – she asked SIL if she wanted to try them on.
The two of them wander upstairs. I then go upstairs a few minutes later to get something.
“What are you doing up here”? My wife asks. Beyond her I see SIL in my bedroom wearing my wife’s cocktail skirt, trying it on.
SIL interrupts. “Wait – what do YOU think about this?” SIL asks me, overruling her sister. She does a little pirouette.
“Turn around,” I say, motioning her to give me a little twirl in her dress. Which she does.
“Eh, not bad” I say. She actually looked hot. But I did not want to say that in front of my wife. So I sort of played it off.
SIL looked a bit deflated and let down.
— 6 ) Texting
Finally we get to the final piece of the puzzle. Texting – there is also no overt flirting going on.
What will happen is — around my birthday, SIL will send me a text that she has sent me something for my birthday from her and her husband. But there will be exclamation points and emoticon with hearts bulging out of the eyes
Now – I am a bit more bold on text. At least 4 times I’ve sent texts that are pretty obvious with innenuendo.
On a Jumbotron, if you were my brother in law, you could possibly read them as being innocent. But not really.
SIL response is that she does not respond to these texts.
She simply doesn’t respond.
Now another Q – w at does this mean in this context? Obviously ** when a girl you are not related to through marriage ** doesn’t respond to texts she is not interested. But in a family situation like this, she could be scared shitless that even innuendo in writing.
So possibly – she wants where I’m going, but she doesn’t want to acknowledge it, even covertly, in writing?
She will only respond in text to something about family bullshit.
—- Conclusion
So there you have it gentlemen – based on your own experience and anecdotes
1) How should I proceed?
2) What I want to do, this spring, is sort of escalate this, Actually ask her , “Do you want to meet for drinks?” Or Is kind of a thing best done without drinks – get her alone and physically try to escalate and fuck?
3) Is this kind of thing a can of worms – or some of the hottest sex of my life
I am betting on the latter, which is why I’m bothering to write this
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If you like your kids, your house, your wallet, and your self-respect, then the answers are:
1) Don’t.
2) Don’t.
3) 55-gal drum of worms.
No pussy is worth the landslide of shit that will bury you and your family if you go through with this foolishness.
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+1000
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As a married guy, player on a long hiatus (perhaps permanent), and a red piller since 2002; I realize that my wife can essentially destroy me at any time.
With that said, I screened her for months upon months with shit test after shit test to see what she would do.
She passed each.
From foreign country with ancient, Muslim/Buddhist marriage codes. Check.
Parents happily married for three decades. Check.
Passed numerous red pill shit tests over many months to screen for flaky/whorrish/red-flag behavior. Check.
She is not “perfect.” But hot! Check.
I can’t fault a guy for wanting to never marry, I totally understand the risks. And sympathize with all the men who I’m sure would claim I’m a dumb ass.
Last disclaimer, I have met many women who turned out to be married, and I dumped them immediately. Learning how to tell the signs. They are totally obvious.
However, in light of today’s SMP, to dash a man you don’t know with his wife I have no problem with.
The problem is, if a man destroys my relationship with my sons, and harms them. Like physical discipline from him, the guy who destroyed our relationship, is to me, reason for murder.
By all means, if in a moment of weakness, my wife “”!!!whom I have not had children with””!!! cheats, I lose furniture.
But if I lose my kids, and you start hitting them, I feel justified in killing you.
I will plan for months. If not years. I would do my absolute best to try and cover every detail from the police for the first 50 hours, ending with my trip out of the country.
And I would kill you. I would destroy you, with a smile on my face.
OTH, if I still have access, and you just leave, may the same happen to you. But, I will do my best to return the favor with a favorite GF, mother (blow job from a “perfect stranger”), or a sister.
Then post that shit all over a public, and anonymous account. I will not give them my real name.
For the idiots who come here, playing with men’s wives, and decrying the whoredom that the USSA has become, you play with fire. No one will care, or miss you when you are gone.
Personally, I stayed away from men’s wives. I did not want to knowingly sally my dick with the womb of a woman who could destroy her kids lives. And then live with such an imbecile.
So, if the laws were more fair, I would say you had done me a favor.
But if my kids get hurt, especially bad, I would destroy every last vestige you have of yourself, before I kill you.
I’m not joking. I have the skill, and ability to do so.
This is the real reason why I stayed away.
The one woman who I nailed, when her husband called me, I could honestly tell him the truth. I did not know about him. Short of testifying, as I knew I would most likely be putting myself at risk.
So, go ahead, and talk about how great your game is, picking up on the late model use by shelf life date vagina.
What it really is, most likely, is trying to carve out the power of another man.
In today’s world, that really does not mean much in bedding a lose wife.
But harm a man’s kids, and their relationship, and you will never be someone to brag about. Just a cancer to be severed.
Go ahead, I can already hear the cat-calling of keyboard warriors bragging about their prowess of pussy that is insecure enough to be taken out of boredom.
I always wanted to nail the hard chase. Not some woman whose in a mid-life crisis, and vulnerable to a guy she would not even pay attention to when she is young.
Until the laws are better suited for father’s, I stayed away.
To do that to a man’s kids, is beyond fucked up.
This is feminism with a dick.
I do admit, it is dark alpha. But this kind of alpha needs to be killed.
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Agreed. Going in-family is shitting where you sleep. Just don’t.
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He’s going to do it anyway. What a fool.
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@Heywood
How many married broads do you get
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I avoid them, so you do the math.
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But then, we all know you’re going to do it anyway. Don’t say you weren’t warned.
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There are better ways to die, that aren’t as embarassing to your family.
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This guy would be a contender for the Darwin Award, but for the fact that he already passed on his genes.
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he will, you’re right. to the op– whatever you think, whatever she says, they are sisters, and she’s a woman. if she likes you she will want to be associated with you publicly, and if she’s willing to go this low then drama isn’t going to scare her off getting her man. there’s a vanishingly small chance she doesn’t ‘accidentally’ tell everyone over a pa system or get pregnant.
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> “or get pregnant”
Being Pro-Life and a Natalist, that’s what would haunt me. If I saw some damned drunk being cruel to my own flesh and blood, then I’d kill him on the spot. I don’t know whether the jury would feel sympathetic and find me guilty of something less than Murder 1. It’s also why I never donated at a sperm bank – I couldn’t stand the thought of being separated from my own.
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Imitating your body language as you face one another and talk means nothing – this is what humans do. Twirling her hair means something, and sticking her ass up for ten seconds, perhaps more.
If you really want this, you’re doing the right things, eg her deflation.
The question is if you really want it. Because this will be both a huge can of worms AND some of the best sex of your life.
The reason is simple. There may be a few men out there who are so rawly masculine that their sexual satisfaction derives entirely from the girl’s HBD scale. However, most of us are a little more feminine than that – our emotional investment in the game is an ingredient in our sexual storm. And there is nothing like an affair to amp up the emotional investment, because affairs are risky and create a hyper-aware state in both man and woman. Especially an affair with an in-law.
The reward will match the risk and the risk here is vast, far beyond the moment of possible detection. You may want to ask yourself if an affair with a woman outside your extended family wouldn’t be wiser. Course that could just put you on the escalator.
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I should have mentioned – I have plenty of sex outside of marriage. That is not the problem
but that is getting boring in comparison to what this could be
If it is good for Brodeur…
as you yourself are saying, the illicitness adds another layer onto the sex that other sex can’t touch
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what a terrible comment. you have kids?
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Not sure about the bald pussy thing, especially on older chicks. I ask that all my women to keep well trimmed. A landing strip is ideal. It’s almost a prerequisite at this point.
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It’s generational thing and a single vs married thing.
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If you are Ryan Giggs… have at it.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ryan-giggs-brother-says-footballers-4952526
If not, maybe find someone else. It will blow up. It seems obvious that this is really what you want to have happen though, avoid the hard part of breaking off with your wife.
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but seriously – doesn’t seem like she is flirting with you at all, mostly projection on your part (swollen vulva. Really?). At best she is getting beta admirer vibe from you.
she is not responding to your texts, not flirting with you, not isolating with you etc. If she was single none of this would be good signs. if she was into you she would find ways to isolate and would find ways to brush into you in plausibly deniable ways. She would also respond to your text, even if it’s just “your so bad!” or some tongue in cheek scolding. She would pull on the thread. You gave her 4 chances.
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Giggs was banging that woman first. She got with rhodri to be close to (Ryan) Giggs. He was her runner-up choice. After a while Ryan started banging her again,coldly. He won’t be getting the freedom of the city of ‘brotherly love’. ‘Giggs, Giggs will shaggy you a tart, again.’
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Go for it!
Your plan sounds awesome, and you’ve obviously thought it through.
Post your results here.
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Heh.
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You need to grow some balls. You’re waffling asking for permission and validation like some 14 year old thinking if he should sign up for AP chemistry. You gonna ask what brand of condom “isn’t too tight” next? ffs.
Stop tunneling on this one chick. If you want extra-marital sex, there are many direct solutions to your problem.
You have low self esteem (which is why you don’t see a world full of opportunity) and an inability to solve or even perceive simple problems correctly.
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Solid.
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Jesus fucking Christ man! If you want out of your marriage get out and find a new woman altogether.
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@instigator
…lol…this should be fun…
“married in 40s. sister in law also married has just hit 31. she is decent enough for that age but beyond that there is a spark that simply does not exist — personality wise – with my current wife.”
= your fault…lol…you’re the man…
“Don’t live with a lifetime of regret.”
lol…you’re not that old…if you want a divorce, get one…but this whole idea is beta…talk about ‘thirsty’…lol…
“it turns out – my sister in law was maid of honor to my wife. there are kids involved in both marriages. obviously a dicey situation because there are kids involved. you don’t want to fuck and have the red headed cousin to your kids being actually… your kid… with your sister in law,, etc , etc, — you get the picture.
so it goes without saying, i am very aware of the consequences and it would never go there.”
…lol…and yet, here you are…lol…
“— 1) the sister in laws bond to her sister (my wife).
both were maids of honor to each other. possible loophole: they are close in a way supposed to be close, but not actually very close. In that their personalities seem to be opposite of each other. so possibly the ‘female sisterly loyalty” the SIL has not to have her sister’s husband’s cock in her ass (me) is more exaggerated than in reality”
wishful thinking = beta…
“— 2) the sister in law’s husband (my brother in law).
interestingly he is same age as me (like her sister she married an older guy). however in every other department, 6 years after marrying him I look like a prize compared. her criteria for marrying him, like many girls of her millennial generation, was that he bought her a few beers in a NYC bar and things went from there.
he “told good stories at the bar, and my girlfriend’s all liked him” seems to be her criteria. flash forward 8 years later and the guy is so estrogen-dominant that, in recent pictures, it looks like she is married to a balding overweight woman.
so much for marrying the “alpha at the bar” lol
the charming rancanteur in a bar has turned into a functioning alcoholic bullshit-artist who is middling middle class just had a hip replacement (i speculate he fell down drunk). ”
he still might be alpha…lol…how do you know he hasn’t sexed YOUR wife…lol…you’re making the same mistake that betas everywhere make, which is that you are confusing tingles with provisioning…and it has nothing to do with looks or income…lol…
“— 3) is my sister in law getting fucked correctly by her husband??
2 telling pieces of evidence. lets start with a piece of CH advice —- as CH as expertly divined – when a girl is not shaving her pussy this is a major sign she couldn’t care less about pleasing her current man
as CH has said: a messy crotch is a clear sign a girl is, at the least, not pleased with her sex life. or even better, possibly not getting fucked at all – even if she is in a relationship
labor day weekend with the extended family at the beach – i noticed my sister in laws bikini had quite a bit of stubble extending out past the crotch lining on her bikini bottoms.
SIL is not shaving for her hubby.”
maybe he likes a GNP…some guys love that stuff…lol…
“Now how did I notice this. Because I felt someone staring at me as I dashed in and out of the water playing with my kids. It was SIL staring intently at me, but unsmiling (more on this below). A look she held for about 9 or 10 seconds.”
unless you stared her down and she looked away ‘demurely’ = beta…
“secondly, after his hip replacement – + the well-known 7 year itch in relationships – my gut is telling me SIL is NOT getting fucked correctly by my brother in law”
doesn’t matter…lol…alpha widows go decades without and still are…alpha widows…lol…maybe he’s got some on the side…
“So there is a strong possibility I have no competition. She is not getting fucked correctly. Also I know she is not around a lot of guys at work.
Also, like her sister my wife, she is essentially what CH would call a “feminine good girl”. In that, she is a typical feminine girl, who has a lot of girlfriends. Although she had several boyfriends and fucked before marriage, as best I can tell, she was not guzzling cock on the carousel”
sooo, she’s even less likely to jump for some strange cock?…lol…past history is a good predictor of current behavior…
“— 4) SIL body language
As mentioned for past year, I find, at family gatherings, SIL looking very intently at me, but not smiling”
(Paging Ya Really ) – I know from reading you, and skimming through some body language books, that when a girl is looking and smiling, she wants you. But what is the deal with the unsmiling? Is this the sign of a girl who is on the fence? Or seriously contemplating something so taboo that you are pushing her to the edge and she doesn’t know how to deal with it?”
it’s generally a sign of dominance…and if you didn’t stare her down at that time = beta…maybe she’s thinking about spinning you into a beta provider role…lol…
“round Christmas at the family holidays, I noticed it again – with another wrinkle. Christmas Day I happened to be casual – much better looking than my brother in law as usual with a full head of hair and paleo jacked. I was also wearing jeans, well-fitting, and I was sitting on the living room couch. I also don’t usually wear boxer shorts. Its really uncomfortable. So I was a bit “manspreading” – a bit spread out on the couch, with no underwear. I suppose, if a girl was looking intently enough, she could divine some of my package and the fact that I go commando.
Well it turns out SIL sits down across from me, in a couch horizontally across the room. In red jeans, with no panties on underneath apparently. She also then SPREADS HER LEGS a bit like I am – while chatting with her grandmother and some of the kids on the floor under the tree.
basically imitating me.
I swear to God I then saw her vulva swell under the tight jeans she was wearing with no panties. I could literally see her vulva and cunt in the tight jeans.
She then gets on the floor with the kids, with her ass sticking out doggy style for about 10 or 15 seconds, before getting into a more normal position playing on the rug with them
So – we hit another Q here – when a girl seems to be * imitating * you in body language what does this mean? She is not overtly sitting next to me, and putting her hands on me. Given the situation that we are both family, in front of family, she can’t do that.”
why not?…serious question…there are MANY ways that a woman can ‘innocently’ get her hands on you if she wants to…lol…all she needs is plausible deniability…’here’s some coffee’ (touches your hand), ‘help me open this package’ (feels your muscles) ‘you’re stronger than me,’ etc….and i’m not even a girl and i can think this stuff up…lol…
“But when a girl is ** imitating * you in body language, and matching you provocatively, what does this mean? How amenable is she to the bang? Or is she just leading you on?”
or you are just wishful thinking…lol…but you’re right, this is CH = always assume the sale…lol…= over-confidence FTW!…lol…
“— 5) SIL Demeanor
Given the situtation that we are family, in front of family, there is NO overt flirting, as you can imagine.”
i really can’t…lol…most of the ‘family’ gatherings that i’ve been at (random parties with families at them…lol) there is generally NO ambiguity about that kind of stuff…lol…and yes, it is uncomfortable…lol…but there actually IS overt flirting (with plausible deniability…but still…)…lol…
“What she tends to do is —- after some time in these family gatherings. if I am sitting alone off somewhere in the house, or on the deck – she will sit next to me. She’ll do things like twirl her hair, and ask me about my business.”
she might be working on beta provider/orbiter algorithm…how do you feel about being a ‘plan b’?…lol…is she interested in how much you make?…lol
“Another thing she did: SIL was over my house alone recently. My wife is outgrowing some of her dresses – she asked SIL if she wanted to try them on.”
wife’s getting fat, huh?…= your fault…you’re the man…get some game and change that shit…or don’t…lol…
“The two of them wander upstairs. I then go upstairs a few minutes later to get something.
“What are you doing up here”? My wife asks. Beyond her I see SIL in my bedroom wearing my wife’s cocktail skirt, trying it on.
SIL interrupts. “Wait – what do YOU think about this?” SIL asks me, overruling her sister. She does a little pirouette.
“Turn around,” I say, motioning her to give me a little twirl in her dress. Which she does.
“Eh, not bad” I say. She actually looked hot. But I did not want to say that in front of my wife. So I sort of played it off.
SIL looked a bit deflated and let down.”
your wife knows…lol…she’s a girl…you are a guy…YOUR sub communications are clumsy…hers are not…lol…
also…beta response…lol…worried about your wife being ‘mad’ = beta…
“— 6 ) Texting
Finally we get to the final piece of the puzzle. Texting – there is also no overt flirting going on.
What will happen is — around my birthday, SIL will send me a text that she has sent me something for my birthday from her and her husband. But there will be exclamation points and emoticon with hearts bulging out of the eyes
Now – I am a bit more bold on text. At least 4 times I’ve sent texts that are pretty obvious with innenuendo.
On a Jumbotron, if you were my brother in law, you could possibly read them as being innocent. But not really.
SIL response is that she does not respond to these texts.
She simply doesn’t respond.”
…and yet, you seem to think this is an IOI?…lol…
“Now another Q – w at does this mean in this context? Obviously ** when a girl you are not related to through marriage ** doesn’t respond to texts she is not interested. But in a family situation like this, she could be scared shitless that even innuendo in writing.
So possibly – she wants where I’m going, but she doesn’t want to acknowledge it, even covertly, in writing?”
wishful thinking = beta…lol…
“She will only respond in text to something about family bullshit.”
so, she really DOES want you to sex her up…lol…she’s clearly leading you on…lol…
“—- Conclusion
So there you have it gentlemen – based on your own experience and anecdotes
1) How should I proceed?
2) What I want to do, this spring, is sort of escalate this, Actually ask her , “Do you want to meet for drinks?” Or Is kind of a thing best done without drinks – get her alone and physically try to escalate and fuck?
3) Is this kind of thing a can of worms – or some of the hottest sex of my life
I am betting on the latter, which is why I’m bothering to write this”
my advice is ALWAYS to learn some game. and let that bitter red pill slide ALL the way down…lol…but unless you’re willing to put in the work…and it is hard work…you don’t get better at game, regardless of what you believe…and it doesn’t seem like you have any clue about what you are doing…lol…
my take on this is that you are trying to get permission to do something that you know will result in your marriage falling apart in a way that ‘won’t be your fault’… rather than making a manly choice and following through…
“those random PUA dudes on the internet said it was a good idea…and i’d get great sex…”…lol…= beta…and you have convinced yourself that you will end up with some hot pussy (sister-in-law) at the end…this is the male equivalent of ‘branch swinging’…lol…
thanks, that was fun…lol…
getting with sil is not going to work…but post up your results…i’ve been wrong before…
having said all that…i will point out one thing that IS actually serious…your kids are in this, too…and their image of their FATHER is riding on your decision-making skills…
good luck!
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@instigator
…damn, stuck in the stack again…
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habd:
Update
After telling me that her hubbie wouldn’t want her chatting with me on fb, she chats once on cell in response to my text. [shakin’ mah haid] Boring bs, but at least she’s dropped her b1tch frame. I think that she really was just pissed about no action during previous isolations.
Thought my marriage was over and my relationship ideas had failed. Not so. Mrs. Gamer is still in love with me. She tried this roommate gambit again, but then dropped it the next morning.
She sends insecurity tests disguised as 5h1t-tests mixed with obvious insecurity tests. Sometimes hard to tell the difference. Date night tonight (again).
Was gonna set up a date with a potential plate for tomorrow. [Cue the sound of potential plates dropping and breaking.] Is there any way to prevent the breakage and put plates into a low-energy holding pattern?
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@theasdgamer
if you’re getting lots of interest from plates, Mrs. Gamer is much more likely to be throwing loyalty shit tests…just comment on the plate in a positive way, then look over Mrs. Gamer and say ‘you can compete with that…’…done…lol…you can even precede or follow that with a compliance test…
“Is there any way to prevent the breakage and put plates into a low-energy holding pattern?”
yes…just exercise your other options…lol…without apologies…no need to explain (supplicate) to the plate…she’ll just spin faster…lol…
good luck!
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> “however in every other department, 6 years after marrying him I look like a prize compared”
My entire life I have struggled with being smarter, handsomer, sexier, funnier, and more desirable than women’s husbands. About the only reason I don’t bang all of those married chicks is because I feel so sorry for the poor loser Beta dudes who would be cheated upon. I’ve always felt like it wasn’t exactly playing by the Marquess of Queensbury rules for Prince Charming/Count Dracula to be exercising Droit de Seigneur over the peasants’ wives.
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> “sort of escalate this”
You escalate it by [TASTEFULLY but calmly and straightforwardly] talking about naughty subjects. It helps if it’s a third party thing – if you were at the beach, you could be standing next to your SIL, and you might spot another couple walking down the beach, and you say, “Wow, she looks really miserable. I wonder if her husband still makes love to her, or if she hasn’t gotten any in months? In her defense, her husband sure does look like a whining mealy-mouthed little wimp. Poor girl…” That sort of thing. Move gently but firmly towards getting her accustomed to talking about intimate topics with you, and then escalate from there. One form of escalation is “chat” sex – if you have a good chat app, and she’s lying in bed chatiing with you, then you ask her what she’s wearing, and for her to describe it to you, and you gently but firmly guide her to getting her fingers inside her panties and masturbating for you.
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Right, have a damning paper-trail that guarantees a divorce shit storm, when, not if, BIL or wife finds it. Instigator, try to remember when you held your newborn babies and realised they’re utterly dependent on your care. Ass in the air SIL also shat out a few babies it seems. You can be certain of ruining their lives if you play out your dominant baboon of the pack fantasy. Why not have a paleo wank for yourself and forget about it? …. Tl;Dr you playcan be certain of ruining their lives
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> “TASTEFULLY but calmly and straightforwardly”
When you go into tasteful naughty mode, it is imperative that you control your emotions. You’re no longer a teen-aged boy, so no sweaty palms, trembling, wild eyes, hyperventilating, or squeaking of your voice. Take several slow deep breaths with your diaphragm, force your voice down into a low register, and speak with an air of complete matter-of-fact-ness and nonchalance, as though you’re regularly fornicating with three or four women every day, and this is all no big deal to you.
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> “Tl;Dr you playcan be certain of ruining their lives” LOL’ed. I can easily imagine scenarios in which this motherfucker ends up murdering the BIL or the BIL visits a justifiable manslaughter on him. But if you’re gonna suffer the flames of Eternal Damnation, then you might as well go out with a bang.
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My childhood friend’s father found himself in your exact position. He went through with it and started an affair with his sister-in-law. His wife divorced him in less time than it took to pull up his pants.
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Reminds me…
I dumped my last girlfriend because she was a hypocrite…. She was always saying how much she liked surprises…. But when I told her I’d been banging her sister…
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The one question you really need to answer is whether you want a divorce, a big fuckin messy one. Because if you get caught, that’s probably what’s comin.
And if you do want out, there are better ways to do it. Sure, you wanna fuck your wife’s sister, who doesn’t? But c’mon man, get your dick wet off premises with a lower-risk chick while you sort this out.
She’s not going to escalate. If you get her drunk, you have to worry about the regret factor. This isn’t a can of worms, it’s a fuckin pallet full of cans of worms.
I’ll boil it down to this- she’s married and she’s not going to play ball. You are either going to have to go gonzo on her, which is shove her up against the wall and put your tongue down her throat or else you are gonna pass. No amount of gaming or this other BS is going to close this loop without absolute alpha strike game.
I’ve been in similar shoes with a married woman, giving all the signs, my friend observing is like this chick is DTF, she’s into you, and I went for it and she accused me of harassment and shit. This wall may just be too high to get over.
If you’re bent on probing it, get the three of you together and get drunk and start joking about fucking your wife’s sister in front of both of them and read the responses.
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Really?
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I think I know what you are talking about when you say “spark” between you and the SIL I have a cousin that seems to be interested. We are both divorced her in the 40’s me 50’s The last time I seen her she got me quite worked up, she smiling, getting real close in my space, It is illegal in this state I think. I know I would not turn her down if I could get it on the sly. So do you think perhaps the hot “spark” might be just because it is verboten? I know a few times I felt a strong “spark” for a girl and after I got to see more it was quickly extenguished.
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I got a hot cousin I’ve been waiting for an opportunity to use small penis game on. That’s where you make an off the cuff comment about having a small penis. It probably won’t work but if it does she’s getting surprise buttsex. Btw she’s 30 and I’m not too much older.
Small penis game is by far my most successful gambit. It works about 50% of the time. It worked tonight. Afterwards she said you know you are not small and i said yes i am. False argument for slight ego boost. Heh.
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My second best gambit is the i haven’t gotten any in X years gambit. They always ask why, i say busy or bad luck.
Third best is cuddle gambit. Self explanitory.
Fourth best is asking them if they like anal sex gambit. It doesn’t really matter of it leads to anal or she’s honest with her answer but it sends the message that her puss isn’t good enough. Heh.
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Youre an idiot.
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What the fuck is wrong with you, shitstain?
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*JESUS be a fence!!!!*💆😱
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You could spend an enormous amount of resources psycho(heh)analyzing SIL. figure out how to isolate her then kiss her. Then kiss her and give her the fingerblaster. Heh. There can be no paper trail or proof of anything happening. If you can’t play it legit with family around she’s not going to mess around with you. Way too much for her to lose. The best gambit would be to pretend to be wasted and see if she takes advantage of you. Stop analyzing things and be more creative.
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Seems like you’re crushing on her.. and then projecting this. You also seem to think you out alpha her hubby simply because you are better looking.
How are things with the wife? If you want the sis (you do want her… and all the other cuties) you have to run game. Best way is to truly game your wife (they talk right?) and dominate the family socials. Then you’ll see unmissable attraction
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Why are you guys being stupid?
(1) Post name is: the instigator.
(2) The Italians have a saying: “Don’t shit where you eat.”
(3) It is Beta to the infinity to have oneitis for a sister-in-law and actually seek help to f-close in a forum.
(4) Most importantly, pussy is politics. You can’t disconnect the politics.
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Adds up to mega trolling beta bait for political purposes, and probably with poster’s conscious intent. tl;dr but what subtleties are there? You guys fed this like hungry mofos, way too emotionally invested to see the forest. Keep taking red pills. It’s a process.
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agreed. I told the troll he’s a loser, but that did not get posted.
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Troll or not, it makes for great drama that married guys can relate to. Stuck with a fugly aging wife that feels like a chore to bang, a man is going to look elsewhere. He’s already thought about divorce. Over and over. He may have even meet with a lawyer. No fault divorce goes both ways here.
If his SIL is cute and possibly up for it, why the fuck not? But don’t stop there. He should def have a tinder account and be picking up on the reg. The SIL is just spice. If it’s the main course then that’s where he’s gonna have problems.
It’s gotta be infrequent enough that they don’t get too comfortable and slip up.
Op: Here’s how it’s done.
1. Grow some Paleo balls and quit being a sniveling mealy mouthed bitch that can’t act on his desire without equivocating
2. Use heavy eye contact like what 60years of challenge advocates. Flirting in front of family can happen when it doesn’t *appear to be flirting. This alone will get her interested if she isn’t already.
3. Light Kino to start. Brush up against her, touch her arm when talking. Hold the Kino a little to long. Don’t be afraid to make her uncomfortable. That’s where the magic happens.
4. The sexual tension will be overt and undeniable and she will want to escalate. Let her suggest it. I repeat, “let her suggest it”. You are a man and can handle sexual tension. You are a man and can delay gratification. You are not a child that needs things now. Wait and let her stew. If you are amping up the tension more and more each time, she will eventually succumb and let you know when it’s time. You can disregard that and suggest yourself but you run the risk of scaring your prey.
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“way too emotionally invested to see the forest.” It happens, even here where there is a lot of truth. Remember the movie “Inception”.
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@Reality Doug
modifying morgan’s maxim… “Any sufficiently blue pill troll is indistinguishable from a genuine beta”.…lol…troll or not, examples like this are still good for explication…game principles don’t change just bc the situ is hypothetical…so, it’s all good…lol..
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My father was caught kissing one of my mother’s friends in the kitchen very early in my parent’s marriage. I was 3 when it happened. He probably banged her too, but who knows.
My mother stayed married to him, but with a bitter coldness that never subsided even up to her death. My mother’s family treated my father like a leper throughout my childhood and adolescence. I never understood why until the details of my father’s transgression came to light.
What happened in my story is a somewhat lesser offense than what The Instigator is proposing, but it still effectively stained my childhood, my mother’s life, my mother’s relationship with her family, estranged my father to my mother’s family, and damaged my respect for my father when I ultimately found out. All of this over the course of 30 years. All because of one ill-advised kiss with really bad timing.
I would spit on The Instigator if he were standing in front of me. I don’t consider him a man. I consider him a eunuch and a coward who hopefully offs himself before creating a solar system of decades-long pain that involves children and families.
Go fuck yourself faggot.
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Lol, the butthurt is strong
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I agree with Mark except for the part where it hints that his mother was blameless or perfect. I agree that “the instagator” is a world class loser, if he’s real.
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Bad idea pre-divorce. Sounds like OP and the wifey ain’t gonna make it anyway, and the tone is one of talking oneself into doing something you know you shouldn’t.
Wait till after the divorce to bang the SiL — more fun, and it won’t affect the inevitable divorce proceedings.
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— “I’m of the belief, perhaps optimistic, that a married woman truly, deeply in love with her husband cannot be seduced to betrayal.”
I’m of the same belief. Being truly in love with the husband is one reason why she won’t be seduced. Another one, for a woman who is not very tingle-driven, is motherly love which will make her unwilling to hurt the child’s stable home.
Either way, wives who are not open to being seduced don’t rely on resisting game. They simply do not expose themselves to new cock game. They avoid chatter with sex intentioned men. They stonewall from all flirtation beyond light banter with her husband’s friend. Unlike Madame due Tourvel, they do not let an open channel of communication with the would-be seducer.
Yes, these women exist.
— “Just how many married women truly, deeply love their husbands?”
My observation-based guess? Not many. Part of the problem? Working in offices with a variety of kinds & levels of manly essence.
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They simply do not expose themselves to new cock game.
this is the cucks of it. some (most?) married women avoid the company of sexually voracious men. often, this avoidance is achieved simply by not going to places where a lot of single, horny men congregate. and, married women extend this gift of avoidance to their husbands, by preventing them from being too frequently in the company of young single ladies. moving to the suburbs helps a lot with this avoidance program.
so, yes, the complaints of single friends are valid. married couples don’t go out as much. but the cause is less laziness or marital ennui than family preservation.
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they don’t expose themselves to it literally, but even in public. really married women don’t expose themselves, they seem to see all new men approaching as creepy or weird (attractive of not). married women that are open for business have a twinkle anyone can see on an approach. i think the door is either entirely closed (and yes i’ve known a few of these, they are out there) or it might as well be entirely open if you’re competent.
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The converse of this principle is that a married woman traveling alone is a strong indication of potential interest.
I first learned this long ago when I was a college kid who knew nothing and was traveling on my own in Europe. I spent a night in a youth hostel in the Netherlands and approached an attractive German woman (5+ years older than I was) who was taking a vacation bike trip on her own across Holland. While I had taken only one year of German and her English was just a bit better than my German, it was easily less than 2 hours from me saying hi until I was finger fucking her and she was giving me a hand job, all of this in an open-air loft above the hostel’s dining room with some people milling below us.
It was only the next day when we met up to take the same train to Köln (her to go home and me to crash for a few days with a girl I had approached, made out with and address-closed in a park in München who was studying and living in Köln) that I paid attention to the fact that the ring she was wearing was on her ring finger and I realized that she was married. She told me that her husband traveled a lot and she felt that he had been sleeping around.
I can still see in my mind’s eye how affectionately she embraced her husband who was waiting for her at the train station (never mind that she had pulled out my cock again on the train ride). A couple of years ago I Googled her and discovered that decades later she’s still married (with the same name and close to the same address so presumably to the same man) and has three grown children.
If a wife is traveling alone without her husband, there’s often a reason.
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CH:
married women extend this gift of avoidance to their husbands, by preventing them from being too frequently in the company of young single ladies.
Best to refuse that gift. Because Dread.
the cause is less laziness or marital ennui than family preservation.
This may lead to a Purple Pill interpretation.
1. Wife stays home. Man goes out. Wife sexes up man. Family preserved.
– OR –
2. Wife and man stay home. Sex diminishes. Man looks for sex outside. Family maybe breaks up.
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It’s as if other men don’t really exist as men, you only see your husband as a man and all the rest are just guys. Zero temptation. He’s your world, and you feel so lucky. And yes, you are not receptive to any kind of trouble because it’s not appealing.
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Says Ginger (either a guy or a mid 20’s newlywed).
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Unattached monkeys jump from limb to limb. Married ones don’t let go of one limb until another is firmly in grasp. They may comport themselves differently – but, they’re the same monkey.
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“They simply do not expose themselves to new cock game.”
This. This is what any “taken” woman does. Avoid temptation before it becomes hard to resist.
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Ginger sounds like a keeper to me
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Lost a post out there…
Most married women will mate guard themselves avoid “dangerous situations”. That said any married woman in a bar after 8PM alone or throwing some back with her girl friends, co-workers or even acquaintances (especially if any are single) is DTF to some degree. Her hind brain is putting her in a place where it can “just happen”. She is just thinking about the apple, not any consequences.
Now remember it’s NOT conscious, it’s subconscious. You would have to go through 20 layers of hamster waterboarding to get her to admit it (if she got caught). She is not TRYING to cheat. And the guys around her won’t make it easy for her to cheat, most will give her a wide berth and most of the rest will not have any game.
The paradox is because she IS NOT trying to cheat but is subconsciously putting herself in a risky situation where it could happen it is FAR EASIER to game her and BECOME that fantasy guy that makes it “just happen”. We talked about windows a lot recently (all good) this is a HUGE window. She is ripe for the plucking (heh) when a mysterious stranger strolls by > gives her attention > laser eyes > spikes attraction > destroys shit tests > spikes more attraction > qualifies her > tingles > dominance > tingles > IDGAF that you are married I have to have you> too many tingles > kino > blown circuits > HMS! Shazaam! She filled in all the blanks for you. You are her fantasy guy, courtesy of game and her hamster.
The things to avoid are social circle consequences and judgment from her friends (if around) because that reality salt will kill her taste for adventure right quick. So you need to isolate before kino and escalating. And avoid communications with her, because she WILL get caught, and then so will you.
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“Working in offices with a variety of kinds & levels of manly essence.”
There are two married ladies at my work. Both will give me long looks as I’m walking down the hallway or will make eye contact with me as they pass my cube. Can’t help but wondering what they’re thinking.
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How many married women love their husbands? Almost none. Women no longer marry for love. They marry to trap, castrate, and rob.
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Mrs. Gamer did. She may be one of the last unicorns. She’s still frequently a pain in the @$$. She thinks that she’s part of the old Patriarchy, with Entitled Princess benefits from Feminism. It takes Dread to keep her from turning into Godzilla. Scary. And we’re on good terms now. I’ll enjoy it while it lasts. Two-a-days.
Even fakkin’ married broads aren’t above trying to poach another married man. Or trap him.
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still in the stack..
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You are so very wrong. 15+years and 2 kids.
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Odd. Had a post here yesterday now gone?
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Bullshit. No woman is locked down, ever. Don’t lie to yourself about it.
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Read the whole fucking comment before yapping.
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Speaking for yourself Joey?
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I agree that female fidelity exists, but only as rare exceptions in decline, and with few exceptions to those exceptions it is very transitory. A wild alpha has ‘sovereignty’. None of us do. Only neurotic codependency, clinical or religious with Jesus as the alpha middleman, has a chance of permanence. Pussy is politics. We are politically emasculated and there is nothing to fix in the women on this. Feminism = the communal pasture. A man’s gotta eat. Starvation will prune. Every man for himself, and let the devil take the hindmost. If marriage is not a privately enforceable contract with husband in charge, it is worthless.
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Truth. Plus, married women who merely want a little validating attention (not an affair) can get it easily and safely from the always available beta-orbiters.
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The game is the same, only one must relax more and savor each step, letting it percolate.
Affairs are so exciting in and of themselves, with all their attendant secrecy and risks, that each step in the process automatically produces massive tingling.
Even going for coffee or a stroll together in a medium-sized city with her carries risks that, if she has any spunk in her at all, she will find addictive.
This is especially true for her first affair.
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[…] Picking Up Married Women […]
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I too am neither going to condemn nor condone having an affair with a married woman. That being said, I have had five. The sex is almost always fantastic. The “naughtiness” adds a passion and allure. One has fewer formal obligations than with a “real girlfriend.” That being said, you are always dealing with someone who, at the end of the day, is willing to lie – every moment of every day – to someone they otherwise claim to love. And it’s easy to pick out married women who “are available.” A truly “happily married woman” never allow any other man to get too close; she simply knows better. Find the married woman who is a huge flirt, who goes just a little too far, who is already skating close to the line (she is trolling craigslist or match.com, she spends a lot of time away from her husband/family, she acts 25 not 40), and you can rather easily reel her in. For me, going from that “special guy friend” to sleeping with her has always worked because I insinuate that I am “up for anything,” i.e., don’t give off friend-zone vibes even when you are “just hanging out.” HOWEVER, never, ever forget that they put their “feelings,” their justifications, their desires above all else. Don’t ever take it for more than it is – just an affair with a married woman. (It hasn’t added to my respect for women; I know sooooo many married women who would fool around. And never stop gaming your wife – or someone else will.)
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A woman will give in eventually if she finds you to be better than her current husband (re:Hypergamy). This rings more true when she’s ovulating and desires another man’s seed.
This was all proven by a scientific study, in where women were more likely to sustain AND initiate contact with foreign men when she was taken, especially if said new man was more attractive/taller than her current mate.
There was also another study which showed that women also preferred males with more MHC dissimilar genetic stock, as opposed to MHC similar when in a relationship. Seems like nature cuckolds some males out of bioevolutionary necessity, if it is that ingrained in women. Just see an excerpt from the study:
“However, single women preferred odours of MHC-similar men, while women in relationships preferred odours of MHC-dissimilar men, a result consistent with studies in other species, suggesting that paired females may seek to improve offspring quality through extra-pair partnerships.”
I’ll post the first study later, if I can find it. But for the MHC (from the excerpt) study look up: “MHC-correlated odour preferences in humans and the use of oral contraceptives.”
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Picking up married chicks is a great way to keep your overhead and labor costs down. If she’s married, it’s almost a sure bet her pussy is under-serviced, but not necessarily her emotional or financial needs. The charitable thing to do is fuck the shit out of her, and let hubby handle the rest. It’s what he signed up for anyway.
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Remember that the hotter she is, the more alpha her husband is likely to be. As there is a correlation between alphatude and badassery, recognize that your risk of a severe ass stomping if caught increases an order if magnitude with each SMV point the gal gains.
Better be worth the risk, especially when there are plenty of smokin hot unmarried women out there.
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I see married/separated women out all the time w/o their husbands. Dirty dancing, grinding, etc.
Secure her digits, then text her once later, maybe even a few days later, so that the temptation to sin simmers in her.
The text need not be intrinsically sexual. In fact, better if it isn’t since it won’t alert her ASD. After a few occasional texts with replies, suggest a meetup.
She may refuse to engage you on facebook, but be open to phone texts. This has to do with texts being saved by social media and the potential impact during divorce hearings.
She might be open to correspondence as a pen pal or a meetup at a mutually interesting event like a concert or wine-tasting.
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I’m waiting on resident expert Just Saying to chime in all over this shite!
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P.S. @Instigator: Man! Try this experiment. Jerk off a few minutes before your SIL gets to the gathering where you will be. Then, see how you feel around her. Chances are, you won’t be too hot and bothered – this is how you will feel after the affair. Like, what’s the big deal. Most likely not worth it. You just need to go out with the fellas and see other hot women that aren’t related to you.
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This ^
Bill Burr has recommended this trick on his podcast and it works. All the pent up sexual aggression you have toward your SIL will be drained the second after u turn her face into a Jackson Pollock. So try this trick to simulate it and see if she still drives you wild after you bust. Goddamn i love this site, nothing but bros helping each other (and a coupla goddamn nosy broads and libtards that cant stand to see men having their own space haha).
Adding to the chorus – Dont do it man. There is a sea of hotter pussy with less/no repercussions. This isnt a moral thing, i could give a fuck about fidelity. Its solely “women control the entire legal system so tread lightly when pissing off a woman” thing.
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@instigator
The hockey player had an affair with(and later married) his wife’s brother’s wife. You are trying to seduce your wife’s sister. There is a big difference.
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“She will need to feel like she’s exercising some control over the proceedings, and she will need to feel like she can walk at any time.”
this is a rare statement i will disagree with. at risk of sounding like the proper piece of shite i am, married women are my bread and butter. in my experience what they really need (unless they are just married sluts) is to feel like they’ve LOST control, they need plausible deniability more than any other kind of woman in order to feel like they’re not a slut. the work comes in setting up the situation so they can imagine they just fell into bed with you. or an alcove. or the back of a car.
this might not be the stage you are even referring to, though, maybe you’re mainly referring to approach. my targets are generally within my broader social circle so not a lot of time spent in approach. old acquaintances i’ve reconnected with.
when i have met and hooked up with attached women, the best results i’ve had are either to completely ignore the announcement of attachment and keep the conversation flowing as if it’s immaterial, or if she’s already hooked somewhat reply with mystery’s old “good, you’ll need something to do when you’re not with me”
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Married women are fairly easy. It helps if you work with some, live near them, or frequent bars and restaurants where cheaters or aspiring cheaters are known to hang out.
If you’re tall, fit, and attractive enough, married women are game.
They respond particularly well to sexy banter, because chances are they’re
not getting enough at home. They’re often ready-lubed.
Effort required is minimal. In some venues it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. Good for guys new to Game or nascent cocksmen.
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The response was from the advice I asked for .ha
Many people here object, but I’m slightly socially awkward, and I know girls my age are being fucked by cooler guys who don’t have my problems, and never had. Its a bit immoral, but I have no choice, I botch all my approaches with average to cute girls. I never get anywhere. And girls my age have a lot of confidence, and I’m a virgin. In my mind, cougars who are DTF are my realistic shot at losing my V.
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Let’s sarge bro!
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Nah, dont have his problems
Strange humor though. On girls chase.com I got helpful advice
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You dont
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Here’s advice: stop postponing by looking for elusive ‘perfect advice’ and start exposure therapy instead.
If you think cougars are the best bet, and they may well be, then approach, approach, approach cougars until one fucks you. Shouldn’t take long. A lot of them are into shy, young guys.
Too much posting can become avoidance behavior, the opposite of what you need.
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I know theyre the best bet, they’re the only ones I approach. Ive approached here and there, and I’m gonna get better at it. And it shouldnt take long was good to hear, I’ll keep that in mind, should give me the boost to approach
And as far as avoidance, I got rid of all my excuses. Through minor introspection, I found out that I made excuses, fear and shit stopped me. From this week on, I’m going out everyday and working and honing my life. No excuses. I’m done with that shit
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Hang out at lower end bars at closing time. Use “i’m a virgin” as game. You will be deflowered quickly.
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Sentient, lmao. I’m not that awkward, that’s embarrassing, and its not gonna work. Girls go out to get fucked by cool dudes.. and better looking than me. She has to be shit face drunk to agree
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What do you mean by lower end bars?
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@eric
“Sentient, lmao. I’m not that awkward, that’s embarrassing, and its not gonna work. Girls go out to get fucked by cool dudes.. and better looking than me. She has to be shit face drunk to agree”
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“From this week on, I’m going out everyday and working and honing my life. No excuses. I’m done with that shit”
You’re making excuses. You don’t have to be super serious when you say “i’m a virgin”, not like you’re confiding a deep secret in her. Say it. That line will get girls talking to you even when you get good.
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@lumpy is right… say it. I say it all the time, after I tell them I have 5 kids. There is a certain kind of woman who loves to deflower a guy.
How old are you?
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Lower end bars – low cost places, maybe in crappier parts of town. $1 shots, $1 buds kind of places. The lower class woman is more easily impressed and more visceral and forward in her response. An average MC/UMC dude in a place like this can get lot’s of poon, provided he does not get his ass kicked. Testify my brethren!
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Also you need very tight logistics for operation “Plastic deflower”, if you don’t have a place nearby, park your car nearby.
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“Girls go out to get fucked by cool dudes.. and better looking than me. She has to be shit face drunk to agree”
where’s Greg when you need him? shakin ma haid (or some such)
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“Lower end bars – low cost places, maybe in crappier parts of town. $1 shots, $1 buds kind of places. ”
In my neck of the woods women in bars like that are either no younger than 45 or no lighter than 250 pounds; usually clearing the bar (on the wrong side) on both counts. Patrons will be too cheap to play something on the jukebox; otherwise it’s Country, unless a fat woman under fotry goes ahead and puts on twelve excruciating minutes of hip hop.
Don’t ask me how I know.
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“Lower end bars – low cost places, maybe in crappier parts of town. $1 shots, $1 buds kind of places. ”
In my neck of the woods women in bars like that are either no younger than froty five or no lighter than 250 pounds; usually clearing the bar (on the bad side) on both counts. Patrons will be too cheap to play something on the jukebox; otherwise it’s Country, unless a fat woman under fotry goes ahead and puts on twelve excruciating minutes of hip hop.
Don’t ask me how I know.
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@PA – yeah. But those ladies need love too. This is operation Plastic Deflower, he can move up from here. All the easier to move up when he doesn’t have the virgin mark hanging over him.
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I’d rather die of celibacy.
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@Sentient. I go to some hotel bars. As far as crappy shitty bars ill go to the smaller ones. Im 22, and everyone is getting laid lol. Tinder, online dating, social circles. Its pathetic bro, but i dont seek validatoin like everyone I’ve come across.
I got no car, i got transpo. Lol, i go walking. And its winter. Ill figure something out
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@Sentient. Good to know. Im 22,
I have shitty logistics. I have no car, no transpo. I cut off weak friends, so i have none. I walk to bars. Ill have to find a way lol. That part didnt cross my mind. Got to think 2-3 steps ahead.. aware now
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Here’s the I’m-hit-on-by-gay-guys Gambit:
“Gay guys hit on me and I’m afraid I might be gay.” She will try to “save” you from being gay, lol. At least that’s the thesis.
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@Eric – with logistics that bad you might need to get creative or spend some $$. if you are in hotel bars, make sure you can book a room from your phone, or try this, head to the largest city close by and stay a week in a youth hostel (do your research). have plenty of drink. be friendly. work your game.
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I suggest you walk up to a group of attractive girls eating lunch on a park bench, or outdoor section in a cafe, and expose yourself to them. If you’re not as impressive as youd like to be at that moment, feel free to masturbate in front of them. This will show you dont give a fuck and take charge of situations, qith zero regard for the feelings of your underlings.
This is also a good strategy for meeting and mating with women on trains, buses and elevators.
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Simplest advice is learn how to dhv then back off and let them chase you.
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Ive done this before, but it was in a setting where i could, social circle. I cant do this on cold approach. Ill try to DHV, and let them chase me.
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Work on your confidence, bro! Look at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself the things you like about you etc. There’s a lot of advice out there.
Plus I doubt you’re not good looking enough to get laid. If you’re in shape, wear some tight clothes. if you’re not a dress shirt and get in shape soon.
The virgin line is brave, use it. Do you have any hobbies that you’re good at and there are girls? Use that for DHVing.
Logistcs is important, as was mentioned before. If you don’t have a car, use a cab. It’s important that it doesn’t take too much time to reach your place…
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“A fuming son who caught his married mum in bed with a naked stranger battered the man to death in a fit of rage. Sean Mahan also attacked his mother, slapping her in the face and branding her a “slut” after he discovered her in bed with Stewart McKellar.
He barged the door open and yelled: “What are you doing? How could you do this to my dad?”
His father John Mahan was working offshore at the time. The court heard there was then a “prolonged assault” lasting up to 20 minutes on Mr McKellar, which involved repeated punching. Mahan then turned on his mum slapping her on the head and calling her “a slut”. “
The poor guy got four years inside.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-31021453
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Huge red flag to me is your wife’s response when you wandered upstairs during the sisters’ clothes-swapping part. ‘What are you doing here?’
I think your wife already suspects something. After all, she knows how you pursue. Once their antenna is up it will be very hard to pull off the sister act. Danger will robinson!
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Married women have the hardest orgasms with forbidden fruit. Proceed with caution.
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Nah – she is merely disgusted with his beta self. She would be more attracted to him if he hit that or made known he could hit that. That’s the swerve of the red pill. true all the same.
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N”ah – she is merely disgusted with his beta self. She would be more attracted to him if he hit that or made known he could hit that. That’s the swerve of the red pill. true all the same.”
yup
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I the wife thinks he’s a chump, the SIL will too.
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On the other side of this shekel I can see a Valenti piece about how married women deserve affairs because putting down the handfuls of dick and raising children is patriarchy, or something.
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“I’m of the belief, perhaps optimistic, that a married woman truly, deeply in love with her husband cannot be seduced to betrayal.”
Cervantes had a better understanding of human nature: “The Tale of Foolish Curiosity”
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This is solid. More tips:
1) have her save your number under a girl’s name “so you don’t get in trouble lol” like it’s a silly game. This builds a conspiracy with you two VS her hubby which is good for bonding/rapport and it helps her ASD to see “Sarah” pop up on her phone screen instead of “THAT DUDE YOU’RE GOING TO CHEAT WITH YOU WHORE” lol
2) also while with single girls you want to txt in the evening where they aren’t distracted and are home alone and you can have their full attention, txt these married chicks during the day and build your rapport/flirting/innuendo/etc. when they or their husbands are at work and they can txt freely. Don’t txt them in the evenings or on weekends and for the love of god no drunk txting booty call attempts at 2am on a Friday night.
Once you’re fucking them they’ll txt you while they’re sitting beside their hubby on the couch (blows my mind), but until then you should try to fit into her life conveniently.
3) “come over and we’ll have lunch together” is a solid hamster excuse to get them over (just escalate at the door, don’t bother with lunch) if they don’t work too far away from you. I’ve found the most convenient times for them to bang are a) lunch, immediately after work on their drive home, and when their hubby is out with the boys. Those are the easiest times she can come fuck you without anyone noticing
4) don’t worry about how long she takes to reply, she has other shit going on she has to work around. Don’t get all gay and clingy expecting a response right away, she might take a week to respond to your first txt or stop responding suddenly and not respond for a few days etc.
5) understand that she WILL throw you under the bus if she gets caught. She will say you raped her etc. Unless her hubby is so beta that she’ll just tell him “you aren’t meeting my needs so I had to” and turn it around on him which is becoming more common these days because the only guys getting married are super-chode betas these girls can walk over.
6) your karma will be all SORTS of fucked lol welcome to the club.
More on the subject and on staying safe in my archives: http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/3/#comment-heartiste-320044
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Ya,
Why is Game for Married Women kosher, but Game on a Married Sister In Law not
You can fuck married women with kids but not a married sister in law with kids??
If the instigator is not a troll, it seems he is simply higher on the psychopathy scale
Your take
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Because if he’s not just trolling, the amount of gayness in his description of the situation and how super special this girl is to him says 1) he has zero other options so he’s acting out of scarcity, 2) he’s not experienced enough to navigate a situation that tricky with that many dynamics and that many risks/consequences involved, and 3) he’s like a 12 year old with a crush on the girl who sits beside him in class and uses the same type of pencil as him so OMG ITS TOTALLY MENT 2 BE U GUISE!!!11 ❤ ❤ ❤
He's not equipped to not fuck the situation up and the consequences will affect a bunch of different people. No one will come out of it with a positive experience, he'll just fuck everyone's lives up and be damn lucky if he escapes without being divorce raped.
When I do my thing I follow a shit-load of rules to avoid doing damage. I have the abundance to pull the chute and bail, the experience to navigate the tricky dynamics, and the detachment to think logically instead of emotionally to keep avoiding damage and/or to wrap the affair up with a nice little bow on it when I'm done rather than leaving ruins and rubble behind me.
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if you have abundance mentality likely because because you have abundant pussy on call what’s the point of ruining someone’s life and likely their family, or starting the hamster in some broad’s head that’ll ruin someone’s life. It’s just pussy just like any other pussy. I understand if the married chick is throwing IOI, getting involved in social settings with other men or participating in latent sexually charged conversations in personal or social settings, then yeah the married hoe is likely to be a hoe. But game newbs running around whole foods trying to pick up moms and maybe even succeeding in plating the devils’ hamster in some dumb broad’s head seems a little too much.
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Word
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Relationships with married women are not worth the potential hassle. I had a fling with a married woman who was unhappy in her marriage. She fell in love and wanted the relationship to become something that I did not – besides, she was married. I eventually broke it off and changed my phone number when I started to smell a stalker situation.
She eventually decided to tell her husband about the affair over a year after it was over and it became a big messy thing all over again. Just not worth the hassle…
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The main problem I have with married women is that it takes two or three of them to equal the availability of one single woman. The scheduling is a bitch and you are no longer in control, she and her circumstances (including her hubby and kids) determine when you get laid and for how long.
Even keeping a harem of married women means more uncertainty and hassles than one good single woman. Conflicts will arise and that means disappointing one or more of them.
Sure, catch as catch can, but that means a lot of hunting effort.
Still, finding a hungry one can give you intermittent good times.
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Put a kettle on. I’ve got a story.
When I was 17, I worked as an errand boy for a media corp. Delivering documents, getting my foot in the door, etc. Everyone there loved me, sneaking me drinks whenever they could on the weekends. Not long after I started, this lady came to work for us. 30+, but strikingly beautiful. She was hired primarily for her looks, to appear in local ads for the company and …she was married. This prevented a lot of guys from hitting on her. But one day, she brought her husband in to meet everyone, and I could smell it on him: he was beta to his bones.
Anyways, about six months later, we were all invited to a co-worker’s wedding. She did not bring her husband (big tell). Her husband was also out of town and she invited a few of us to come back to her house and drink after the reception (another big tell). She sits down next to me and mentions how lewd and suggestive and inappropriate (!) my dance moves were at the dance. I just agreed and amplified. “They were, weren’t they?” She sized me up and asked, “What’s so special about you? You can’t even vote.” And I said, “I’d show you, but your husband probably wouldn’t invite me to his birthday party if I did.” She looked at me with her tongue in her cheek. 2 minutes later, we were making out and I was fingering her. She tells everyone she’s calling it a night early and kicks them out.
I walk everyone out and tell them to go on without me, I’m going back in to grab my coat. I go back inside and HB9 is wearing nothing. She walks up the stairs, places her ass on the railing (man, that woman knew the power of squats…), and then walks to her room. I followed her in, loosening my tie and unbuttoning my shirt. She lays down on the bed and, as I’m standing there, I realize something. It would deter a couple men, but not most: THIS IS TOO EASY. We all think banging a married woman is this unclimbable mountain, but if you’ve been in the shit, you know it’s not. Most of them are very very lonely. When I realized this was low-hanging fruit, I thanked her for the fun night, kissed her on the forehead, and was on my way.
The next morning, I get a call on my phone. It’s HB9’s name, but then I pick up: it’s her husband. He’s fuming and wants to meet. I agree to meet him outside a pizzeria.
Husband: You piece of shit.
Me: Present.
Husband: You’ve got a lot of explaining to do. You seduced my wife.
Me: Yep.
Husband: It takes a real piece of work to do what you did.
Me: Yep.
Husband: Well, don’t you have anything to say for yourself?
Me: I’m not sorry for not fucking your wife. But the next guy will.
That stuck with him. It was a bitter truth he couldn’t ignore. Apparently, the whole reason they moved to my city was because this happened everywhere they lived. He nodded his head, actually thanked me for coming out, and took off. My friends have said the reason he didn’t beat my ass was because I was 17, but I think he knew: my wife attracts trouble and this kid only did what was natural.
The next day at work, I was stocking the soda machine. She walked by me and dropped off a gift bag. She winked as she walked away. What was inside? My sunglasses. Husband found out because I left them in their bedroom. They were divorced within a year.
The takeaway: you can always tell if she’s the type to stray. A good woman will decline to join her coworkers at the bar after hours. If she goes without her husband, she’s shopping. If he’s a beta, it’s only a matter of time before she strays. I’m not advocating anything, other than if you do, don’t forget your sunglasses.
Happy hunting.
Oh, and HB9 never was angry at me. She was always very nice. A year later, she even gave me rides to work after she and her husband called it quits (we lived within a mile of each other). When I started dating another girl and I told her the story and about HB9 and our carpool arrangement, that’s when I learned about dread game. 🙂
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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I would be interested in hearing an analysis of trad cons. I don’t think they are very traditional myself. Seems like feminism that has been filtered to remove the smut leaving just the parts about women being greater than men and so on.
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Cougar: “Oh! That’s so sweet, but I’m engaged, see my ring?”
AiT: “Nice try, but your fiancee isn’t getting rid of you that easily”
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Married women, women with boyfriends – they are all starved for sexual attention and crave excitement. I always figure that as long as they are attractive to me, and willing they are on the menu. If the boyfriend or hubby doesn’t like it – he should have kept her in his stable. Of course, the past weekend and the one coming up are the best for nailing married or women in relationships that feel some small slight. You would be amazed how many women expect to be proposed to – and when they aren’t they will spread their legs – especially when on “vacation”. Hey, I’m not looking for more than a slam-bang-thank-you-ma’am so it’s all good as far as I’m concerned.
And rings mean nothing – a lot of times I will wear a ring when I’m traveling for business, women figure that means there won’t be any messy entanglements so are a lot easier if you are wearing a ring. It’s like advertizing that you are looking for a ONS.
Most of the guys in my band wear rings at various times – even through only one is still technically married.
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Anyone remember the scene in 1989’s Sex Lies & Videotape? John Mullany (Peter Gallagher) is explaining to his friend Graham Dalton (James Spader) about how his wedding ring makes him irresistible chick bait.
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Don’t feel intimidated by hitting on a married woman. They’ll jump into bed faster than single girls. The reason is that “the pressure is off” in the whole relationship drama. They’ve caught the one they need at home, and as long as they’re sure he’s not going to find out, they’re determined to have their fun.
Another thing to keep in mind is the famous (or infamous) 30% factor. Random DNA tests of new borns show that 30% aren’t biologically related to who everyone believes is the father. And considering the small percentage of intercourse that results in actual pregnancies, that adds up to an enormous amount of married women cheating on their husbands.
To get a married woman in bed is largely a matter of not hurting her self esteem.
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So let me bring up the topic I was trying to get answeres on from Sentient and others before my posts were delayed. I am going to make this as simple as possible.
I think everyone agrees that game or a relationship reset will improve the sex in a LTR of marriage. The issue I cannot seem to get answered is the example of people using porn, toys or threesomes to bring excitement back into their marriage. Some people on CS seem to indicate that it is dangerous or risky or won’t work and not to do it. Is this for moral reasons? I am not advocating or recommending. I am just saying that the results are measurable and can be sourced from many different places. One example would be the 60 year old leaving a reply on Amazon stating that the Magic Wand he bought saved his marriage and allowed his wife and him to have the kind of sex they would of never dreamed of. Again I am not trying to push an agenda here just trying to cut through B.S. Is it possible that game is not the answer to everything sexual?
Try to be open minded about this.
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Sexy: [bzzzzzzzzzzz] Wife: “What’s that noise?” You: “Shhhhhhh. Close your eyes” [or wrap scarf over eyes & you go to town].
Not Sexy: Husband: “I fell like maybe you are not being satisfied, not enjoying sex. I was thinking of maybe getting a TurboMaster 3000 vibrator. Maybe that would be fun for you. Do you think you will like it?” Wife: “I’m going to be sick.”
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LOL@TurboMaster 3000 and “I’m gonna be sick”
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‘Sexy: [bzzzzzzzzzzz] Wife: “What’s that noise?” You: “Shhhhhhh. Close your eyes” [or wrap scarf over eyes & you go to town].
Not Sexy: Husband: “I fell like maybe you are not being satisfied, not enjoying sex. I was thinking of maybe getting a TurboMaster 3000 vibrator. Maybe that would be fun for you. Do you think you will like it?” Wife: “I’m going to be sick.”’-
Sentient- Excellent. Now focus on a simplified answer for porn. Remember what we talked about. Many men use it with SUCCESS in getting their women wet and turned on. Do you not recommend it? Does it damage the relationship? Don’t worry about threesomes for now……..
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Same thing as I said last time on porn. You don’t need our permission, Go ahead and try it with her. See if she likes it. As something to break out once in a while, if she is into it, things should be fine.
The risk is that either or both of you become reliant on it, because you are not generating sufficient attraction between yourselves alone. There is a real risk of ED for a guy with an older wife who is using porn ALL THE TIME to get aroused for screwing his wife. Such that if you don’t get your hit off the porn and are just looking at her less tone, less enthusiastic body, well Major Putin won’t be salutin’.
There is a slight risk that she develops a requirement for it, don’t know of many (any?) women who get that turned on by porn that they need it to get aroused to perform for their husband. And both of you avoid solo use.
So have a rocking weekend. If you are not strongly leading in the bedroom be ready though for a whole heap o shit tests when you pop Barely Legal Full Anal Demolition – 20 girls – 30 scenes! on… Best to start with some chick friendly soft core and work up from there.
Actually the one time I can recall my wife getting super super hot over something on screen was actually this totally gay Val Kilmer movie where he is blind – At First Sight – tearjerker chick flick. She was rabid after that. Just shows you the difference in the female mind on arousal. And that EMOTION is the LOTION that gets her rockin… Cats are not dogs.
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“There is a real risk of ED for a guy with an older wife who is using porn ALL THE TIME to get aroused for screwing his wife” . “You don’t need our permission, Go ahead and try it with her.”
Lol, I don’t know where you get this stuff but am just accepting the fact that “other stuff” is going to be included in your answers.
Alright, so it sounds like you are not aware that a large amount of guys use porn to successfully get their wives wet and excited. You also seem to be saying that one should be careful if they are using it to get their wife excited and should use it on a limited basis. I think I get that.
or are you saying that you want me to go ahead and use it on my wife because you are not able to on yours? Then I can tell you how it goes? lol
Thanks
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@Putin Read Sex God Method and put it into practice. The largest sex organ in a woman is between her ears. Get in that and everything else will follow. Pay attention to her body and how it reacts to you, do NOT be tentative. Do what YOU want when YOU want to. calibrate for your wife, do this by experimenting and judging her reactions. Whatch how she acts not what she says. DON”T have a conversation about it afterwards…
Do all this before you go down the road of a threesome or even watching porn with her all the time [you did get responses to your questions on this BTW, you perhaps just did not like the answers). Swinging relationship carry a lot of risks, the main one being that your wife clicks with the 3rd person.
Also be aware of her hormones. How old is your wife, what kind of BC is she on? Many can retard sex drive and response. Is she pre-menopausal or menopausal etc. Rule out medical issues as well.
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“judging her reactions. Watch how she acts not what she says. DON”T have a conversation about it afterwards…”-
Good advice.
Don’t worry about Threesomes as I won’t be going down that road. Just wanted an opinion.
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I was bored earlier and followed a link to an ancient CH thread, which lead to another. This is what time travel feels like. How was it? The early days of RealTalk were so… restrained. For example, it was interesting to see whroefinder (who used a different handle then) write in such a mellow manner but still, in hindsight, having strong feelings about these things. In retrospect, we were pioneers, just finding our way through the labyrinth of unmapped language around our treacherous reality.
All of this was in a very different America. GWB was still in office, and none of us showed much of an understanding of past betrayal and betrayals to come.
Then there was yours truly, firmly, deftly and diplomatically delivering race realtalk in response to also-restrained commenters of opposing ideology. It was good to see the legendary Michael Blowhard in one such thread praise my thread-worth of race-realism.
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Who has the best game on CH? I can email them my wife’s cell # and see how far they get. lol
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ROTFLMAO! Does she speak English? Let’s try it, bro.
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Putin a wanna be cuckold? say it ain’t so…
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No cuckold. Just a game of chicken.
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Between who? If you think your wife can’t be seduced then you are either fucking her every single night while she begs for your cock or merely deluded as to the nature of women.
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Hypergamy is real my friend and takes many forms. Girl logic is not guy logic after all…
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My belief? Any woman can be seduced given good enough game. The faithful wives (as I noted in the early comment) don’t have infinite resistance to game — they just avoid the temptation by avoiding flirty banter or being alone with other men, especially charming ones.
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Nah, Putin isn’t being a cuck or even playing chicken. He’s just calling us all no-game chumps compared to him. I can respect that.
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Who is the best then?
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You are Putin. You’re the best. Now have a vodka and go to bed.
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“they just avoid the temptation by avoiding flirty banter or being alone with other men, especially charming ones.”
Would agree with PA. I don’t have the best game. At least not pick up game.
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Before one of these guys has your wife snapchatting pics of her nethers before morning light…
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“Before one of these guys has your wife snapchatting pics of her nethers before morning light…” Lol. Now that would be something.
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hit me up…
just understand that my intro is gonna be that you sent me her number and want me to fuck her
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No, it would have to a little more discreet than that. Not looking for anyone to throw me under the bus.
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If I unleashed even a smidgen of my text game on your wife, and any of your other family read it, they’d get on the plane with her… the ladies would be high-stepping and the men would be walking backwards with their buttocks protuding as they deplaned.
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Reminds me of Buck Nekkid and the Barebottom Boys.
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That’s what I like about you Greg, your modesty.
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I’m only as modest as my talents warrant.
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OT
crazy bitch
http://www.glennbeck.com/2015/02/10/you-wont-believe-why-charles-mansons-wedding-just-got-called-off/
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why the fuck would you want to blast a married woman if you aren’t married? I’ve been blasting married women for a few years now (only because I’m married and need to know that there’s enough risk to go around) and its like shooting fish in a barrel. to the point that I’m pretty much done with it. and I’m talking about 8-10s too. do yourself a favor and let married chicks fester in their own hells (most of the time of their own making)…
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Shooting fish in a barrel? And you got away with it, lol. Yeah, you tried dissuading. But seems to be little risk, you gave an insight into married women and the secrecy CH has talked about. Thanks
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Honi soit [+slut] qui mal y pense…
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Yeah, secret society bullshit. No one is wifing up the sluts lol
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Been there done that several times. Some women just have the itch, and their relationships involve outside the marriage sex. Its not ideal and all I can say is chat them up and if they mention anything like “my husband doesn’t understand me” then don’t.
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I’ve tried that some time ago, about getting her number that way, didn’t work and I don’t know where I could have done differently. I’m a newbie and seeking help here.
I was at school, a cute girl was reading a book in front of her class an hour before it began (college). I go open her with “I wanted to talk to you because You had that serious look on your face”. She starts giggling. I ask her the name of the book. It’s a book that was also a movie with “stars” in it. I say “At least it’s not a Romance Vampire book”. After that I talked about the color of her shirt and few other things, sat down in front of her (a small 4 places table, sitting opposite of the table).
She was eye-locking me, moving her lips a lot, there was definitive attraction that didn’t fade. 2-3 times I asked that I could leave if she wanted, each time she said that I could stay (for emotional investment).
I’ve talked with her some more for some time, doing some comfort stuff like asking her favorite Disney movie and cold reading her (which was successful, guessing her favorite color, liking animals/cats). Maybe it was too early but there was a lot of IOI.
I tried two times to put her number into my phone without success. The first time I said: “You look like an interesting girl, put your number in my phone” while placing it on the table in front of her (mistake? Should have placed it in her hand directly?). The second time, it was for a reason that we both like video games and I wanted her to show her a video game I like “I want to show you this awesome video game, put your number in my phone”. I said a few times “I’m not here to judge” but it wasn’t enough for her to loosen enough. It seems like she was in a relationship for a too short time
She didn’t say no in fact, she just looked at my cell, resisting to put her number in. I feel like she really wanted, but something blocked her. She said: “I have a lover” (not boyfriend, but lover «amoureux» in french), and “It is so weird to do that” (put number in my phone so early?). I also tried to tell her something I read here “You can simply put your number, I’ll text you later and you will respond if you want”. She also asked few times if it’s normal for me to talk to stranger like that in places like school. I told that I like to walk and talk to pretty girls (which was pure honesty from me, not for approval).
Several times, I just stood there for 30 secs-1 min in silence, not finding what to say, I know it will come with experience. During these times, she looked at her book without reading (it seems), looking at me holding contact, looking people pass next to us. It seemed really like a puzzle in her mind that I didn’t finish to make her more receptive to further keep contact, so my question is:
What I could have done/said to not make her feel comfortable enough? It seems to me that the phrase “It is so weird to do that” was the main point for me that I didn’t pass.
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Not much time for now but one thing you can keep in mind, you need to grease the wheels… she says “it’s weird to do that’ you just say, “I know, life is weird isn’t it”, whatever, just something to push it along. Just some grease.
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Overthinking. She could’ve been shit testing. IOIs were there. She wanted to see if you were part of the cool crowd, the “in crowd”. My guess
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Good work on the approach. She liked you too. 🙂
I have one big piece of advice: getting her number is not the point of talking to her, getting to know her is. Keep on talking to her until one of you has to go!
Pickup term for this is premature ejection. 😉
2-3 times I asked that I could leave if she wanted, each time she said that I could stay (for emotional investment).
Great stuff! You probably only really need to do it once.
Several times, I just stood there for 30 secs-1 min in silence, not finding what to say, I know it will come with experience.
Mad props on having faith that you will get better. That will carry you really far. Just say whatever dumb shit comes into your head. She likes you, so she’ll like whatever crazy shit you say. 🙂 If you can’t think of anything just talk about her more.
She didn’t say no in fact, she just looked at my cell, resisting to put her number in. I feel like she really wanted, but something blocked her. She said: “I have a lover” (not boyfriend, but lover «amoureux» in french), and “It is so weird to do that”
Awesome that you were persistent for the phone number. The real question that should be rattling in your brain is why did she resist? It’s not a shit test. You’re on exactly the right track when you feel she wasn’t totally comfortable. She’s telling you “hey, I need to feel you out a little longer before I feel ok giving you my number”. And again kickass work, it’s your job as the man to push and feel out the limits of her comfort zone.
Although you could have plowed and gotten the number, it wouldn’t have been solid.
What I could have done/said to not make her feel comfortable enough?
Sat there and talked to her longer.
There are a bunch of comfort tricks, but the best one in your toolbox right now is time. The more time she spends around you, the more comfortable she’ll be.
During these times, she looked at her book without reading (it seems), looking at me holding contact, looking people pass next to us. It seemed really like a puzzle in her mind that I didn’t finish to make her more receptive to further keep contact
Here’s the reason she was baffled. You two might be naked together and having sex in the near future, but she wants to get to know you first. You’re sitting waiting for class with nothing to do but talk. You’re asking for a phone number to make a date later so you can talk… but you two can talk right now. You’re already on the date. 😉 Why go through all the headache of scheduling if you can just get to know her right now? That’s why she was was confused.
Then when you know each other, the number is about arranging a good time to flirt then have sex (although no girl would admit it).
If you get her number then skip, you’ll have to do a fancy date and maybe a second date, and there’s a good chance she’ll flake.
If you hang out and talk for a bit, then it’s low key drinks somewhere and back to your place for sex.
If you really connect and go get a cup of coffee before class with her, she’ll come over to your place for a bottle of wine. And sex lol.
Here’s a great jeffy vid on premature ejection:
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Great breakdown and advice, Lumpy.
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Couldn’t get beyond the advertising of the his commercial product, the shirt.
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off topic but have you guys seen this about kristen stewart? always thought she seemed dykeish
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2897575/Kristen-Stewart-forgoes-bikini-pair-men-s-Y-fronts-flashes-black-bra-cosying-pal-Alicia-Cargile-beach-Hawaii.html
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Bisexy for sure
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not seeing the sexy part of bisexy in this case. with a couple of really feminine bi girls i’m in but these two chicks look like strung out teenage boys. nothing sexy about that.
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sucks YKW made her cut her awesome hair and get tats, just like all the rest
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Women are large children and YKW-created feminism liberated them to destroy themselves and our civilization.
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lolzolzolzolzozlzo Jews are straight up crazy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
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Don’t sleep with married women. Ever. Just bad karma, man. Her husband is either absolutely sick of her and WANTS you to have her as the best revenge, or he’s going to blow your head off with a .357 magnum.
Either way, you lose.
Betas go after married women. Cuz they can’t score single hotties.
Do. not. do. it.
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Hicks:
Betas go after married women.
Married women pursue alphas alla time. Do you turn them down?
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in case you just have to get her something for valentines day…….
http://time.com/3701856/fifty-shades-of-grey-movie-weird-products/
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The “instigator” is a lame wannabe. To be at his age and asking for advice on basic matters… I can’t think of any way to help him.
See, in my experience, all women go thru a period of insanity during their late 30s and if you are attractive and enterprising and there at the right time, you just just some.
But remember, what you are getting some of is “crazy”.
Is riding big engined motorbikes safe, moral, or a good idea?
Those are 3 entirely different questions, by the way.
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just might get some
damn this dementia
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@YaReally, walawala, habd, and crew
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK I just fucked up going over to an 18-yo 8s house. I stopped texting for too long (getting dinner and wolfing it down). I have ~36 hours more in this city. Any tips or trips to rescue it? This girl is amazing I want her so bad.
Fuck.
Running apocalypse hard on tinder ’cause I’m out of time. Italics are spanish.
Me 8:53pm: Hey 🙂 I know that this message will probably sound a little crazy but I’m very turned on by you, especially your kitten heart haha. Tonight is my last night in _____. Do you want to have a night of fun together? I’m not a creep or a pervert, just a genuine guy. I won’t judge you or think you’re “easy”. Excuse me if I come across as a bit forward but I think you’re gorgeous. So what do you think? 🙂 haha
Her 9:03pm: That’s so sad 😔 Because I want to see you and do some crazy stuff but in this moment I’m studying so I can’t today
Me 9:09pm: Homework? Omg you’re so young haha. I can even spank you and make you squirt if the connection is right 🙂 it’s a little silly, but I like that you’re a night person too 🙂
Her 9:17pm: Hahaha you’re so young too XD I like what you say 😏
Me 9:24pm: You just want to squeeze my muscles. You’re probably pushy irl haha. Do you have whatsapp? Sneak me in your window and we can kiss a bit before we sleep 🙂
Her 9:25pm: Yes 😏 ###
Whatsapp:
Me 9:39 pm: I’m going to bring a bottle of wine in case I’m shy at first 🙂 you can have some too lol. Where is your place? I’ll come at like 11 after you finish homework
Her 9:42 pm: hahaha you aren’t shy
Her 9:42 pm: hhahahha are you gonna come
Her 9:42 pm: ?
Me 9:45 pm: Yah just knocking out work now. I’m going to sunny place and nothing will get done there 😛
Me 9:47 pm: Your pictures make me very turned on 🙂
Her 9:49 pm: hahhaa but sunny place it’s beautiful, i think 🙈
really? 🙈🙈
She was last online at 10:30. I sent:
Me 10:56 pm: Sunny place ☀🎉
Me 10:57 pm: Where is your place? Promise you’ll kick me out if I’m a bad kisser 🙂
God dammit.
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@Lumpy I don’t know the interaction you had in person, but the text game comes off as desperate.
You’re pedestalizing her too much. You don’t have to tip your hand with the “you turn me on so much” if you haven’t fucked her.
Those revelations have to be rewards and I usually give them AFTER I’ve banged her.
Here’s an exchange with a girl I’m banging:
Her: “I have agent provocateur”
Me: Oh?
Her: ya
Me: Send proof of life
Her: u sure? u’ll have to tug SHIT TEST
Me: We’ll see PASSED
Her: sends selfie of her in garters in typical pin up pose from back. NOTE…this is both an outreach and a shit-test.
Me: Won’t stay on long. NOTE THIS IS A COMPLIMENT AND A REWARD BUT ALSO DOESN”T SMACK OF DESPERATION
Her: What stay what?
Me: Tie you to the bed posts and fuck you until your screaming causes the neighbours to call 911….then have a beer
NOTE…you can tip your hand if it’s about what YOU want to do…NOT what you think/feel about her.
I’m still leading. In your case, you’re supplicating too much.
Me 9:39 pm: I’m going to bring a bottle of wine in case I’m shy at first 🙂 you can have some too lol. Where is your place? I’ll come at like 11 after you finish homework
Her 9:42 pm: hahaha you aren’t shy
Her 9:42 pm: hhahahha are you gonna come
Her 9:42 pm: ?
THIS WAS YOUR INVITATION. NO NEED TO GET CUTE.
You: What’s your address? Say 9pm?
Look what you wrote? lots of babble. Sounds to her like you’re hestitating…it’s a turn off. She invites you, you either say “Yes” or “Can’t” don’t ramble on:
Me 9:45 pm: Yah just knocking out work now. I’m going to sunny place and nothing will get done there 😛
Me 9:47 pm: Your pictures make me very turned on 🙂
Her 9:49 pm: hahhaa but sunny place it’s beautiful, i think 🙈
really? 🙈🙈
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@Lumpy
just saw this…too late to help this time, but here’s a breakdown…don’t have much time, so it’s rough…lol…
“FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK I just fucked up going over to an 18-yo 8s house. I stopped texting for too long (getting dinner and wolfing it down). I have ~36 hours more in this city. Any tips or trips to rescue it? This girl is amazing I want her so bad.”
ya…and this comes through in your attitude in texting = chasing…lol
“Fuck.
Running apocalypse hard on tinder ’cause I’m out of time. Italics are spanish.
Me 8:53pm: Hey 🙂 I know that this message will probably sound a little crazy but I’m very turned on by you, especially your kitten heart haha. [this is chasing…] Tonight is my last night in _____. [chasing = she’s the girl you chose to pursue on short time frame…or you have no other options…] Do you want to have a night of fun together? [question = her frame…and no assuming the sale…] I’m not a creep or a pervert, just a genuine guy. [supplication…] I won’t judge you or think you’re “easy”. [= trying to negate attraction…] Excuse me if I come across as a bit forward but I think you’re gorgeous. [chasing…] So what do you think? 🙂 haha [question = her frame…and 'haha' = your attitude is that you don't have a shot…]
Her 9:03pm: That’s so sad 😔 Because I want to see you and do some crazy stuff but in this moment I’m studying so I can’t today [shit test…and beta orbiter algo = ‘give me validation with no investment from me…’]
Me 9:09pm: Homework? Omg you’re so young haha. I can even spank you and make you squirt if the connection is right 🙂 it’s a little silly, [that’s qualifying to her…] but I like that you’re a night person too 🙂
Her 9:17pm: Hahaha you’re so young too XD I like what you say 😏 [‘here beta, beta, beta…give me a cookie…’ lol…]
Me 9:24pm: You just want to squeeze my muscles. [good…] You’re probably pushy irl haha. [‘haha’ = don’t want to offend her = beta…] Do you have whatsapp? Sneak me in your window and we can kiss a bit before we sleep 🙂 [good…assume the sale…]
Her 9:25pm: Yes 😏 ###
Whatsapp:
Me 9:39 pm: I’m going to bring a bottle of wine in case I’m shy at first 🙂 you can have some too lol. Where is your place? [question v. statement…] I’ll come at like 11 after you finish homework
Her 9:42 pm: hahaha you aren’t shy
Her 9:42 pm: hhahahha are you gonna come
Her 9:42 pm: ?
Me 9:45 pm: Yah just knocking out work now. I’m going to sunny place and nothing will get done there 😛
Me 9:47 pm: Your pictures make me very turned on 🙂 [= chasing…]
Her 9:49 pm: hahhaa but sunny place it’s beautiful, i think 🙈
really? 🙈🙈
She was last online at 10:30. [aannnddd she thinks you flaked…lol…] I sent:
Me 10:56 pm: Sunny place ☀🎉
Me 10:57 pm: Where is your place? Promise you’ll kick me out if I’m a bad kisser :)”
good lesson on striking while the poon is hot…lol…never let up on a hot lead…lol…reengage the next time you’re in her town…
good luck!
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@Lumpy
stack situ…again…lol…
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Thanks for the feedback guys!
Normally I’m not quite this gay in my texting, but playing RSD Max’s innocent tinder game for kicks: http://www.rsdnation.com/node/532050?#comment-1259629
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All women get tired of the same old mashed potatoes for dinner. They crave dick that will not bring consequences. That is the key. Tubes tied means cheater.
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Jesus, even contemplating parting the piss flaps of one’s sis in law is 50 shades of crazy.
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He’d be lucky if his wife didn’t shoot his @$$. Mine would.
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Agreed. I draw the line at ringed-up married women.
Just feeling you could follow through is enough. With so many other options, I don’t want the baggage of knowing there is a guy on the other end who is oblivious. It’s like sucker punching. It also makes me question the value of the girl – if she’s prepared to break the vow of fidelity she’s just a piece of shit that I’d rather not deal with. While it’s true that cute girls are always in some kind of complex mix of relationships and you have to steal her away from the other chimps, there are lines in the sand I won’t cross, for my own self-worth and for the general social ills cuckold-type behaviour brings with it.
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I wanted some peoples analysis on a friend of mine (who I lived with in college).
He’s like 6’2” 180 and not ugly but not a “pretty boy” and he’s got the Jerkboy attitude–just kind of a douche sometimes I guess. Anyways, he’s had 3 LTRs with 8s. The last one he was dating looked like Megan fox and they dated for 3 years until I guess they broke up (I think he broke up but idk). The thing I don’t get is this guys new girlfriend just posted a facebook post of a bouquet of flowers that he sent her at her work……”I Have to be the luckiest girl in the world” She’s always posting stuff with him saying stuff like “with my favorite etc etc blah blah”. Anyways I did not think he was a flowers guy but I guess he does cheesy shit like that a lot.
My question is do you think he’s getting good sex life, or is there a certain shitty aspect to their relationship that is hidden (like her being bitchy, denying sex etc). The reason I ask is even in my blue pill state I never would’ve sent flowers to my ex gfs work…….. Is it working for him? Or his he still blue pill plugged in i can’t tell
How is this dude
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”I Have to be the luckiest girl in the world”
+++++++
she is posting this and you think he has a problem with the sex? C’mon will.
An alpha who will do some beta things (from an alpha frame) is THE CATCH. It’s what they all want. The fantasy fireman, trust funded, seal team six member who rescues puppies and orphans.
Surely you can see that right?
Most guys here are a bit bitter, because they have never been that guy. The guy a girl will walk over broken glass for, spend her rent money on, beg to fuck her. Yes this is out there fellas, but you must BE that guy. at least in her eyes.
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“An alpha who will do some beta things (from an alpha frame) is THE CATCH. It’s what they all want.”
THIS!
“Most guys here are a bit bitter, because they have never been that guy. The guy a girl will walk over broken glass for, spend her rent money on, beg to fuck her. Yes this is out there fellas, but you must BE that guy. at least in her eyes.”
and THIS!
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I am of the opinion that, all things being equal, married women are easier to seduce than are single women, at least here in the USA. I find this sad, but, then again, so are other red pill truths I’ve learned.
I also believe, all other factors equal, that a man can pull a hotter married woman than a single woman. Many years ago, I had involvements with a couple of married women. They were both very attractive, hard 8’s, during a period of time when I struggled to bag single women in the 6-7 range. Had they been single, I’m convinced they’d have been out of my league.
FWIW, I don’t recommend going after married women. I believe it’s not worth the baggage that goes with it, disrespectful of the husband’s property, and just plain wrong.
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Wrote a bunch of stuff on Boyfriend Destroyers and AMOG’ing boyfriends/husbands over at Rollo’s blog that have relevance to this topic, search my name in this like 6 page thread lol:
http://therationalmale.com/2015/02/02/the-art-of-amog/
Use the OP’s move to grab the number and Boyfriend Destroyers to take care of her ASD and you have a pretty powerful combination that even *I* wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of if I was in a long-term marriage/relationship.
@Lumpy
Is it possible to set up my archive to auto-cull my posts from Rollo’s blog too (the latest two articles I’ve commented in are “The Art of AMOG” and “Two Camps” both from last week)? I’d swear it used to do that but I don’t see any of them in the Latest section. I don’t write there as much these days but I get into long discussions and drop some walls of text there when I do, that might be useful to guys reading my archive.
@instigator
I just skimmed your high-school romance novel. None of those are iois for you, you’re like a kid saying “omg we both use the same color pen it’s MEANT TO BE!!!” You are retarded and will fuck everyone’s life up, don’t shit where you eat. Stop all of this shit and go watch Dawson’s Creek instead to get your soap opera drama fix.
You’re not going to listen to me though, because of the retarded part I mentioned. So bookmark this link: http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ You’ll need it when you fuck your life up.
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@YaReally
Yah, on it. Fucking HTML keeps changing formats. -_-
Thank you for the heads up. Reports of when things aren’t working makes my life much easier!
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@Lumpy
Thanks! Glad to know I wasn’t going crazy lol
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Now we’re cooking with gas. 😀
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Gold! Thanks for the link up you sexy goddess.
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In a social setting, at a bar with friends, I saw a married woman (friend of a friend) slide the ring off her finger and put it away.
When questioned by one of the other females in the group she responded by saying that she thought most guys would not talk to her when she had her ring on.
This woman was a 30 something HB7-7.5 and from what I heard through the grapevine was that her husband had chased her, gotten her to the altar, they had been married for some five years but she wasn’t entirely “happy”.
I hazard a guess that she wasn’t the epitome of a faithful wife.
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What about Married Woman Game logistics?
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Don’t do it. My father did. There are better ways to find women you want to fuck. If you want your kids to fully respect you for the rest of your life, you won’t even think about it. It really was a black mark stain on his life that could never be cleaned.
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Meh, my old boy cheated on my mum. Big deal. We’re human.
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[…] Picking Up Married Women | Chateau Heartiste […]
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Re: CH’s tweet about college being no place for a man (see the original link @ the Atlantic – http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/02/stripping-a-professor-of-tenure-over-a-blog-post/385280/) …
It does not take a great stretch of the imagination to see that in – let’s say 30 years’ time – the typical American university campus will be an alpha male proving ground. Trends to watch for: 1) Increasing non-participation in traditional in-situ secondary education by white males, especially those with at least marginally traditional views (i.e. Normal). 2) Increased incidence of academic career executions such as the one detailed in the Atlantic article. 3) Increase in Regret Rape Allegations made by female students as the collegiate gender gap continues its estrogenic shift. (Hell, maybe we’ll even see RRA’s from beta *male* students due to drunken Dunhamesque hook-ups). 4) All-female administration, top to bottom (heh). 5) Universal Affirmative Consent.
Once the final embers of non-narrative-conformist thought have been extinguished (and this will happen at an accelerating rate as the insatiable Leftist appetite for Revolution! finds fewer and fewer targets on-campus), the Eye will turn to any living creature on campus walking with his equipment leading the way. The slightest display of masculinity will be a tribunal-worthy infraction, and Greater Betas by the thousands will be sent down for re-education.
It will be great hunting for the remaining Alpha males who dare to run the four-year gauntlet, but it will be a Deadliest Catch sort of hunting.
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A Right-Wing Michael Moore.
It will be interesting to see what he does in a few years time.
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Very enlightening film; thank you for sharing it. I hope to share it with my more open-minded friends.
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You guys assassinated thwack, now you whine about a lack of free speech?
ni66a pahleeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz
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Your sister-in-law will hang this over your head like a sword of Damocles for the rest of your married life.
In a fit of pique against either you or her sister, she will let your wife know what the two of you have done – to get back at you for some slight, and to show her sister that she can get what she has (never underestimate sibling rivalry, particularly between sisters).
She will tell your wife.
You’ll probably end up in one of those true crime documentaries with messy domestic murders instigated by lust, infidelity and revenge (either as victim or perpetrator).
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But when I told her I’d been banging her sister…
Rodeo!
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Ahhh, I do believe you are refering to …
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rodeo+Position
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rodeo+sex
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“Mounia Rabbouj, a former prostitute, claimed he forced her to have anal sex while she wept. “I cried a lot … [He] smiled from start to finish,” she said.”
hmmm… starting to like DSK a bit.
http://nypost.com/2015/02/11/dominique-strauss-kahn-im-rougher-in-bed-than-most-men/
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almost like…
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http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/02/stripping-a-professor-of-tenure-over-a-blog-post/385280/
The left is the enemy of truth and reason, and the champion of lies and CENSORSHIP. In today’s America, in universities and at work, a normal, straight white male is not even allowed to express or have his own opinion if that opinion is something that was considered obvious and normal for the last 12,000 years of recorded human history.
Poolside it is.
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OT
“A group in Japan is planning a protest march in Tokyo on Valentine’s Day, complaining that the event is a cynical money-making ploy by “oppressive chocolate capitalists”.
The group, known as Kakuhido, which translates roughly as the Revolutionary Alliance of Men that Women find Unattractive, will march for an hour and a half through Tokyo’s Shibuya district.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11405651/Japanese-revolutionaries-plot-to-crush-St-Valentines-Day.html
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Good for them. Fuck globalization
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>> Fuck globalization
whattsamatter, that line didn’t get you any pussy at the OccupyWallStreet rally, so now you’re trying it here?
It’s not our fault if you didn’t have enough ratty tattoos to get laid off of unbathed hippy chicks.
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OT but yet another likely false rape accusation. This time against SV entrepreneur Joe Lonsdale. He isn’t laying down though. Already has a website up discrediting her lurid accusations and has counter sued.
http://joelonsdalestatement.com
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Wow… Definitely worth a read. THIS is how you take down a batshit crazy woman’s phony rape allegation. This should be a blueprint.
Save the emails.
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“‘In addition to shaking her violently during sexual assaults, he also began strangling her, slapping her, scratching her, yanking her by the hair so hard that he would lift her torso off the bed, and slamming her body against the walls and bedboards.’”
seems about right…
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Playas take note…
“A turning point in the relationship occurred around the time that the two of them went on a trip to Asia in August 2012. Around that time, Ms. Clougherty started to openly display signs of severe mental health issues. After Ms. Clougherty became furious with Mr. Lonsdale on a trip to Asia and verbally lashed out at him, she wrote a long letter to apologize and explain her extreme behavior. In that letter, Mr. Lonsdale learned that Ms. Clougherty had been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility just before they met.”
https://joelonsdalestatement.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/filed-4-150130-counterclaims-lonsdale.pdf
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I was wondering if someone would post this… I read a looong piece on it in the NYT the other day. Even with the pro-victim NYT slant, it’s obvious she’s mental and making up the whole thing. She initiated communications with him, willingly went to his house, hung out with him, traveled with him… now she characterizes it all as “psychological kidnapping.” It’s absurd. CH should do a post on it because it shows how easily a man’s life can be ruined by the implausible rantings of a nutjob.
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Women uncomfortable with their own sexual fantasies.
http://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/truth-about-fifty-shades-of-grey-movie-glamorizes-sexual-violence-domestic-abuse/
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I have been following the drama closely, this is the closest anyone curious can get to _actual_ sociology. This is our data to work with, anything academic has been scrubbed and invalidated. It’s is really interesting how women on both sides of center are condemning 50 shades for nearly identical reasons. They are so bothered by the idea of men controlling them yet there it is, no one can deny the story has been popular. If women are really so outraged by the idea of being controlled by a man why is the book so popular? Maybe I am being too broad, maybe it isn’t control they desire but something else. Either way, the idea of Christian Grey really bothers the media on both sides. On a different note, I do think bdsm is a bit much. But I don’t think the book is about bdsm per se, no it definitely isn’t.
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It absolutely isn’t about bdsm, but what do you expect from a pro women rape councillor?
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Damn, this crazy video deserves a politcal post of its own:
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Really?
Advice on picking up married women. You guys are the best, BUT. this is shameful. People don’t need to coached kr encouraged to destroy families.
My exwife banged some asshole when we were married. As soon as I found out I was out the door in 4 hours. As much of a piece of shit she was I would have put up with it (except infidelity) for the sake of my kids. They suffered because of it. The American woman for the most part, is a useless, entitled, double standard toting hand grenade with the pin pulled just ready for the grip to be loosened. They need no encouragement to do the wrong thing.
The children have been fucked over ENOUGH.
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@Instigator:
First of all: DON’T!
– “Imitating” you: this is called mirroring. Is normally a sign of sympathy. Spreading her legs gives a very special meaning to her sympathy 🙂
– Sitting besides you: women instinctively follow around men for whom they are HORNY, it’s beyond their control.
– Looking at you unsmiling/expressionless: this means she is HORNY for you.
– The show in your room : major IOI.
Put in short words, your SIL is DTF for you.
Now remember: women, here your wife, can read and understand body language about 10x better then men, so she knows and perhaps all your other female family too and it’s only a matter of time until they start gossiping, and then you’re done, having destroyed 2 families, and frankly, if you’re stupid enough to go ahead, you deserve all consequences.
You should go into damage control mode NOW. Fuck your wife daily, avoid SIL and get her a fuckbuddy about whom everybody knows discreetly.
@Heywood: I had a situation similar to Instigator, but with a secy at work. I pretty much avoided her for the last year but it looks like the episode will still have bad consequences for me.
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I’ve never seen a CH board get quite this moral lol. This could be a first.
Death threats? and Ya Really recommending suicide hotline lol
Assuming instigator is not a troll he sounds merely dark alpha. Higher on psychopathy ladder.
Like pulsotic, I am interested in giving a man the benefit of doubt.
instigator already said he is not going to pop out babies – what’s with the morality show ?
1. It seems like SIL’s imitation is at the least mirroring, if not FOLLOWING his lead. Which means she is DTF, I agree.
How you could not see this as IOI’s is beyond me.
2. Looking at you unsmiling – she is horny for you… Now, @having a bad day – he is saying this is a sign of HER dominance?
It seems if a broad is staring at you she is, at minimum, FASCINATED with you.
She prob wants his cock. Possibly there could be a threesome with W-SIL
instigator – post your results
Godspeed,
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@lucky white male
re @instigator…
i think the board reaction is less ‘morality’ and more ‘here comes another clueless beta fuckup situ”…lol…and they want to help this guy avoid that bad result…this guy is not alpha…if he was, sil would already be a notch…and his wife would be mad but tingly…lol…he also wouldn’t be looking for confirmation/validation on the inter webs…so clueless beta or troll…either way the board chose to err on the side of helping the guy avoid a bad result…(that most of the commenters have personal experience with…either their own or close friends/family)
re having kids…unless he’s snipped (and there’s no mention of that…) not within his total control, except abstinence…
re sil staring…this is both an ‘invite’ (i agree that female to male unsmiling staring = interested in sex…) and a dominance display (shit test)…and if he didn’t stare her down in that moment or slowly blink and look away casually…thereby passing said shit test, she sees him as beta…bc he didn’t/couldn’t stare her down = she’s more dominant than he is…and what girl wants to cheat with somebody like that?…lol…on the dominance scale: alpha > hot girl > sort of hot girl > girl > not hot girls > beta…
i agree @instigator should post his results…lol…
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“I am my own grandpa.”
It makes a lot of sense to take big risks with incest with SIL because there are so few single women out there. Or crazy single women who will bang like pr0nstars.
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habd:
The oxytocin problem has inhibited my thinking when I’ve been around the focus of it (the broad). I haven’t been able to flirt with her like I intended. Whenever I look at her I get another dose of oxy and it immediately messes with my thinking. Frustrating as h3ll. Not a problem with any other broad.
Gonna experiment with different things to see if I can overcome the effect of oxytocin. Caffeine, booze, who knows what?
Just saw that vasopressin regulates social bonding in males and that it is released when the body is dehydrated. I get cotton mouth sometimes while dancing. Maybe I just need more water….
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Boning hot looking younger SIL, as steamy a scenario as there is. Almost as good as the “My girlfriend’s college age daughter” fantasy. Or the smokin’ nanny.
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