More major Hivemind organs are beginning to accept, or at least grapple with, some core concepts of Game and how men and women interact in the flesh when they aren’t being prodded to chant equalist talking points. The New York Beta Times and even that den of shrikers, Jizzebel, have in their own way, and likely without knowing it, come round to the Proposition long espoused at Chateau Heartiste that romantic love is a glorious biomechanistic function which can be induced with certain premeditated seduction techniques, and that these techniques are especially effective on women who are the sex with an innate holistic appreciation of potential mate quality.
YaReally did such a bang-up job providing the backdrop to this post that I’ll just repost his comment here:
Jezebel admits that PUA works.
…without realizing it. lol The experiment they describe is just smoothly building comfort/rapport and the exercise ends with 4 min of deep eye-contact which is just running standard laser-eyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Z4Nq0OrrM
“Catron calls this accelerated intimacy”
Ya, she’d BETTER call it that…because if she called it PUA or Game, Jezebel would shit a brick lol
It’s cute when normal society finally manages to spark a fire with rocks when they actively refuse to use the lighters PUA has offered for years lol
Posting this mainly to link the actual questions they use ’cause there’s a lot of good comfort/rapport building questions in here to swipe.
For reference, here are the 36 Questions that you should ask a woman, in order of increasing intimacy, with the goal of making her fall in love and desiring sex with you:
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Set I
1. Given the choice of anyone in the world, whom would you want as a dinner guest?
2. Would you like to be famous? In what way?
3. Before making a telephone call, do you ever rehearse what you are going to say? Why?
4. What would constitute a “perfect” day for you?
5. When did you last sing to yourself? To someone else?
6. If you were able to live to the age of 90 and retain either the mind or body of a 30-year-old for the last 60 years of your life, which would you want?
7. Do you have a secret hunch about how you will die?
8. Name three things you and your partner appear to have in common.
9. For what in your life do you feel most grateful?
10. If you could change anything about the way you were raised, what would it be?
11. Take four minutes and tell your partner your life story in as much detail as possible.
12. If you could wake up tomorrow having gained any one quality or ability, what would it be?
Set II
13. If a crystal ball could tell you the truth about yourself, your life, the future or anything else, what would you want to know?
14. Is there something that you’ve dreamed of doing for a long time? Why haven’t you done it?
15. What is the greatest accomplishment of your life?
16. What do you value most in a friendship?
17. What is your most treasured memory?
18. What is your most terrible memory?
19. If you knew that in one year you would die suddenly, would you change anything about the way you are now living? Why?
20. What does friendship mean to you?
21. What roles do love and affection play in your life?
22. Alternate sharing something you consider a positive characteristic of your partner. Share a total of five items.
23. How close and warm is your family? Do you feel your childhood was happier than most other people’s?
24. How do you feel about your relationship with your mother?
Set III
25. Make three true “we” statements each. For instance, “We are both in this room feeling … “
26. Complete this sentence: “I wish I had someone with whom I could share … “
27. If you were going to become a close friend with your partner, please share what would be important for him or her to know.
28. Tell your partner what you like about them; be very honest this time, saying things that you might not say to someone you’ve just met.
29. Share with your partner an embarrassing moment in your life.
30. When did you last cry in front of another person? By yourself?
31. Tell your partner something that you like about them already.
32. What, if anything, is too serious to be joked about?
33. If you were to die this evening with no opportunity to communicate with anyone, what would you most regret not having told someone? Why haven’t you told them yet?
34. Your house, containing everything you own, catches fire. After saving your loved ones and pets, you have time to safely make a final dash to save any one item. What would it be? Why?
35. Of all the people in your family, whose death would you find most disturbing? Why?
36. Share a personal problem and ask your partner’s advice on how he or she might handle it. Also, ask your partner to reflect back to you how you seem to be feeling about the problem you have chosen.
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Many of the above questions designed to create a rapid emotional bond with women will be familiar to long-time guests of CH. In fact, they are the EXACT SAME questions discussed in this six-year-old post.
YaReally continues,
Note that they go from silly/fun/light to deep/personal, just like building comfort/rapport should (really you build rapport and then transition into comfort). The first questions are more rapport based. Also there’s a lot of “us VS them” questions (assuming the two of you are together already and reinforcing that), and future projection (assuming the two of you will be together).
There’s also showing vulnerability but it comes AFTER the rapport stuff. The first Set of questions has no vulnerability but the third set has tons of vulnerability. A lot of this creates an emotional rollercoaster done in order too…like what’s your favorite memory (emotional high), what’s your worst memory (emotional low), and back up again after a few more questions.
Really this is rock solid in terms of the results it should give, though it would be weird to execute it in it’s full design in any way other than as a game/experiment. But you could take a handful of these questions and add them to your cheat sheet of comfort/rapport building questions and drop them into a conversation congruently and to the girl it would fell like, as Jezebel says, “and anyone who has met someone and moved fast knows what this feels like: It’s when you want to know someone so quickly and so thoroughly and so urgently that you wish you could do it via osmosis. You want to give of yourself and be given to, equally.” which in logical man-speak means “PUA fucking works, duh.”
“Which makes it worth noting: The experiment sounds like some kind of trick or shortcut to love, but if both parties are well intentioned and in agreement to try it, who is to say what sort of time it should really take to scale this terrain? We all move at our own speed.”
Will have to quote this the next time some feminist is crying that PUA is an evil trick that doesn’t work. lol
lol indeed. I’d also add a ‘heh’.
Also the description of laser eyes was interesting as it’s something I’ve been focusing on over the last year:
“After completing the questions, Catron and her date do the four minute unnervingly deep stare that ends the experiment, which at first involved a lot of nervous smiling, but then got a little more comfortable. She writes:
I know the eyes are the windows to the soul or whatever, but the real crux of the moment was not just that I was really seeing someone, but that I was seeing someone really seeing me. Once I embraced the terror of this realization and gave it time to subside, I arrived somewhere unexpected.
I felt brave, and in a state of wonder. Part of that wonder was at my own vulnerability and part was the weird kind of wonder you get from saying a word over and over until it loses its meaning and becomes what it actually is: an assemblage of sounds.”
Again it’s gay woman-fluff speak, but translated into something you can apply it describes why slowing down your speaking and leaving long lingering silences while you hold the laser eye-contact Liam describes in that video works…the first few seconds (I find it’s around 10-20 seconds) the girl is off in la-la land and then her brain realizes “oh wait, we’re really looking at each other here…” and her words trail off and your conversation switches more to subcommunications instead of surface level communication.
But casual glances or talking so fast you don’t leave tension in the air etc. won’t pass that point where it’s “nervous smiles” and entering that vulnerable “sense of wonder” stage that holding it and leaving silences creates.
Drive with Ryan Gosling is a good movie to check out for laser eye-contact…him and the chick do a lot of sub-communication shit just staring at each other. It’s exaggerated in that movie, but that’s along the right track.
Biggest key that Drive doesn’t do and this experiment doesn’t add is closing the distance during laser eyes. If you lock eyes and slowly close the distance so you get closer to the girl, it sends butterflies in her stomach into overdrive and you can turn that into attraction/sexual tension.
Gambler demos it here at 33:35:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-unuqF4uklE&t=33m35s
She doesn’t fully crack until he takes that last step and closes the space.
This really deep rapport/comfort stuff is what Mystery Method was built around and it’s the reason that Mystery was getting girls to “fall in love” with him, not just want to fuck him. Old school MM game was more about creating multiple-LTRs where the girl felt like you had a special connection she’s never felt with anyone else before etc. than just getting enough attraction for a one-night stand. There were reports of girls breaking down crying when Mystery/Tyler/etc. wouldn’t take their number, which sounds like bullshit until you’ve run this really deep comfort/rapport game a bunch and seen how earth-shattering it is to girls to experience it (especially hot bar chicks who are used to more shallow interactions with people) and taken it away from them suddenly and seen how they flip out and chase lol
I agree with this observation. Men (aka inexperienced betas) underestimate just how few women, and how infrequently those women, get to experience the attention of a man who really knows how to properly seduce and challenge small-talk emotional blockades. A woman who is a gifted recipient of a man’s seductive expertise can fall in love harder and faster than she ever thought possible.
This is also why people I meet feel like they’ve known me for years when we’ve only just met, because I know how to smoothly build comfort/rapport with strangers.
If you’re finding girls don’t stick around for more than one or two lays, or if you want to get into mLTRs, [ed: multiple long-term relationships, for the iSteve readers] experiment with this stuff. But also be aware that if you want casual relationships, you don’t want to use too much of this or she’ll get too attached and drop the Ultimatum sooner than she would’ve if you hadn’t built so much comfort/rapport.
And seriously, go study Mystery Method. Skip the feather boas and black nails, but study everything else. It’s lengthy and dense but it’s the ultimate foundation of understanding this shit.
Mystery Method, first edition, is a compendium of truths about the sexual marketplace and women’s romantic natures that will never go out of style. As Ya said, don’t be put off by some of the outlandish self-promoting of the original playas (OPs). They hit the field and in so doing hit upon deep abiding realities about women and their call-and-response behavior to particular courtship tactics.
Read this post carefully and think about the implications of the message contained in it. ‘Yes, you can inspire a woman to feel love for you by following this flowchart of pretested questions and nonverbal communication, just as the game aficionados have asserted for years’ is not the kind of lesson that will warm the tender hearts of rom-com saturated women or trad-con saturated men. A thousand bromides about the mystery of love and “just being yourself” will need to be jettisoned, to make way for a better understanding of the human universe.
To ask so much of them is practically an exercise in cruelty. You can tell this by the enraged and uncomprehending reaction they have when their polite beliefs confront stone cold reality.
Back when I hunted regularly, I used a variation on this theme. I played what I called “Talk Tennis” as a “fun game” with chicks. Basically as described in the article, except that you insist that she ask you a different question than the one you asked her. Forces her to think about the next question in the sequence (and thereby keeps her mind on you).
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I usually just be myself…I honestly can’t be bothered to pay attention to the answers to any of these questions so I rely on looks, humor, and wit. My dick builds rapport…plus I do 9 1/2 weeksy shit to girls to blast their comfort zone.
Excitement and danger are scientifically proven aphrodisiacs and you want to inject them into your interactions. Memorizing a bunch of questions is for boring people.
However, these questions are a good way to fake a good conversation that she’ll remember afterwards in an emotional sense was “deep”
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tight game doesn’t give a fuck what she says. tight game has her asking you questions after you give her a non-verbal invite based on her non-verbal request (IOI).
what she says means literally nothing. entropy will take all of this and turn it to dust. movement exists for the sake of movement, not an outcome.
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Tight game, yes. But, isn’t the game played in comfort?
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How does one learn tight game? By practicing different techniques over and over until one internalises these and game thus becomes “tight”. In the interim those of us learning this shiz must read and emulate other styles until we come to upon our own style. Fake it til you make it.
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These techniques are so successful that Fathers Who Give a Damn simply MUST warn their little girls about them. Also, my guess is that Ariely,Thaler, Sunstein, and Kahneman [together with Axelrod] probably coached Obama in these techniques. [Back in the 1990s, Clinton was more of a Natural at this stuff and probably didn’t need any coaching.] http://iepecdg.com.br/uploads/artigos/090402_grunwald_behaviorial_obama.pdf
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Apparently Obama’s handlers feel that it’s now safe to make campy parodies of his training in these techniques; pay special attention to the unblinking “laser-eyes”:
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Truth be told, these techniques bear a strong resemblance to hypnotism – sort of a cross between a Socratic humiliation [the 36 questions] and an orientalistic Mesmerism [the laser-eyes and the kino]. It’s funny how we never hear about hypnotism anymore [when I was a boy, hypnotism was all the rage]. It’s probably because the Evil Psychiatrists are using hypnotic techniques everywhere nowadays [e.g. in the 2012 and (especially) the 2008 Obama campaigns], and they’d rather the general public forget that it ever heard of a technique which induces hypnosis in the weak-willed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnosis
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“…this video was shot mere hours after the United States government confirmed that another of its citizens, Kayla Mueller, died in ISIS custody. The day that this video was shot, February 10, was also the day in which American embassy staff and security personnel abandoned Yemen amid chaos and violence…” http://hotair.com/archives/2015/02/13/obama-goofed-around-with-a-selifie-stick-on-the-same-day-kayla-mueller-confirmed-dead/
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It doesnt matter. The results will be the same. The feelings that arise are unavoidable. Women are ruled by rmotion entirely, and cant even discern how she feels half the time, and doesnt know when her pussy is wet. If your father had told you that a gorgeous slutty 19 yr old in a thong was setting you up for sex would that stop you?
If you knew shed try to rob you after sex, would that stop you? No.
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> “Women are ruled by rmotion entirely, and cant even discern how she feels half the time, and doesnt know when her pussy is wet.”
Dude, it’s your DUTY as a father to warn your little girls about these techniques, and to teach your little girls some countermeasures. If you don’t, then you’re throwing your little girls to the wolves. PROTECT THEM. Guide them. Help them find a quality masculine fellow from a good family who isn’t going to be spinning eight or ten plates on the side, before he cuts and runs and never sends even a single child support payment for your grandchildren.
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[…] The Game Of Rapidly Induced Love: Speed Seduction […]
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There are three different opinions being given here, CH, Yareally and NYT and it is a bit confusing to read all of it together. So what actually happened at NYT? They did speed dating and came up with primitive game techniques to help quicken the pace of love? And somehow the questions were the same as something that was already talked about here? I got a 404 error. Hmm, well I may just snag a copy of the questions for reading purposes. Regardless, there is one thing I don’t like about MM, I read through it recently, and I don’t like that he wanted people to do this indirect game thing and talk so much. You could talk yourself in to a corner. It makes more sense to not disguise your interest in women doesn’t it? I mean, isn’t it obvious you didn’t ask the hottest women in the club, and they know they are, what drinks they had or what they thought about Taylor Swift’s hair just out of random curiosity?
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Jesus, bro. Read more game, ask less questIons.
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I have a habit of asking rhetorical questions instead of stating opinions. You can replace all those questions with I believe that… if you like.
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Martin, to hell with all that nightlife nonsense. Day Game is where it’s at. Just walk up to a pleasant-looking girl and say “Hi!”, with a big grin on your face.
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Agreed. And lots of RSD videos. Take MM with a pinch of salt. The basics are there but game has progressed A LOT since 2006.
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Martin: CH is too advanced for ya man…you just don’t get it.
Spend some time at ROK or Reddit and get some field experience. You’re posts reek of blue pill beta boy swimming in circles…
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Look, I don’t think you read my post correctly, it is my own fault for phrasing everything in terms of questions, it is just a silly habit I picked up. I will rephrase it here: MM is wrong, indirect game and MM are both cargo cult pickup practices. MM is useful, valuable even, but the manosphere takes too much credit for itself, acting as if the red pill is something they invented themselves or that it is wholly new. MM advocates all these things like venue change, isolation, etc in a ritualistic order, very mechanistic. I don’t buy it, and I think people CAN afford to make mistakes directly approaching women and still be successful. Let’s not make this about me.
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@Martin
Dude, use MM before you knock it. You speak from NO experience. Go use indirect AND direct and find out for yourself.
Long and short:
Direct weeds out time wasters but will scare off a MAJORITY of chicks that need warming up.
Indirect is innocuous and keeps the girl guessing. The mystery of whether you like her and whether you approve of her is where a lot of the magic happens.
If you go direct you can’t change targets. Oh she’s got a BF and he’s right behind her. Her friend heard you hit on her and she thinks you’re a douche now. Move on.
Indirect you befriend the group and ALL the girls want to be your friend and will actually try to set you up with available friends.
Each is useful in different environments. Did you get an approach invitation? Go direct. Is she with a mixed set? Indirect.
You obviously haven’t used this shit so quit making judgements on it.
Go try it and report back, or STFU.
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[…] The Game Of Rapidly Induced Love: Speed Seduction […]
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Great post, you can pretty much segue into any of these questions and just keep building from there. I’ve come to realize that such a large percentage of dudes just have no “sense” of how to develop a solid rapport. Game is unique in that there are so many different subtle facets and overt tactics that can either make or break a situation. Also, off topic but anyone looking to get back into weight training or switching it up a bit should download the free Stronglifts 5X5 app. I have been using it since the new year and it’s awesome, my lifts have all steadily increased and still going strong.
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That sounds like spam, but I’ve been doin 5×5 since September and it’s really made things easier for my workout and increased my lifts. Only thing is I wish it worked aesthetically as much as hypertrophy did. I’m thinking of adding some exercises in addition to 5×5.
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There is a program called Ice Cream Fitness that adds to the 5×5 but just from a time standpoint it seems like too much.
http://imgur.com/RmTpFHC
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Check out Jim Wendler’s 5-3-1 program. It combines the strength building of 5×5, but makes room for “support” exercises, where you can add exercises in to induce hypertrophy.
He’s got a good system and might be worth checking out. (No spam; I like his balls-to-the wall, no-bs approach.)
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If you use a 5×5 or pyramid err on the light side. Lifting to failure causes longitudinal tears in muscle fiber and take a long time to heal. If you don’t think you can make 5 stop at 4.
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+1 for 5/3/1. Check out Wendler on 5/3/1 for Beginners @ http://www.jimwendler.com/2011/09/531-for-a-beginner.
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which CH writer has a problem with Steve Sailer and why? He’s a great writer and when he talks gender he’s in agreement with the CH message.
[CH: i ❤ steve. he's OR (original realtalker)]
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“which CH writer has a problem with Steve Sailer and why?”
Not Sailer but his readers. See, for instance, this unbelievable thread.
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Solid post.
I think more important than those numbered questions is this line of yours Heartiste: “…how infrequently those women get to experience the attention of a man who really knows how to properly seduce and challenge small-talk emotional blockades.” This is so true.
A couple posts back I posted a snippet of a conversation I had with this hot redhead bartender that demonstrates how happy women are to have a conversation that isn’t a small-talk emotional blockade.”
///Me: So what’s this place like on Friday’s
HB9:It’s good. It gets pretty packed.
Buddy: What about music. What’s on the playlist?
HB9:Well, we have a DJ on Fridays.
ME: Yeah, but how well can you dance? (insert raised eyebrow and smirk from me here)
HBP: “Woo-hoo!” as she puts her arms up in the air and does a spinning dance twirl behind the bar.
You should have seen how much she lit up after this and how intense she looked at me after that. Tingles were flying. All that over intense eye contact and a bit of game knowledge and wit. And after that when I asked her for her name, told her mine, and held her hand for a bit longer than necessary after the introduction, she was staring even harder. ///
After that point, I could have used the questions listed here. But the point is, always look for those instances where you can smash the boredom of small-talk blockades. Practically every interaction you have with women has them.
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Agreed.
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“But also be aware that if you want casual relationships, you don’t want to use too much of this or she’ll get too attached and drop the Ultimatum sooner than she would’ve if you hadn’t built so much comfort/rapport”
This is really helpful stuff. Think I’ve been guilty of over C/R building more than once. It really can mess with your plate spinning if one starts to obsess.
Cheers YR, I’ll pay more attention to this in the future and hopefully pull it back in time.
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Dont game, just comfort rapport is all you need. Ya really explained it,
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I want girls to like me for my looks, physique, sexual power. I have a feeling otherwise that something is up. That the woman is trying to scam me, to get something else from me. Call it vanity or call it paranoia or whatever. But I want to be wanted for being strong, handsome, sexy to women, nothing else. I think that when they like you because you’re “funny” or have a “connection” or for your personality, that they’re already angling for something else, for taking advantage of you somehow.
I am sensitive to this especially because I have the kinds of credentials that signal intellect (not being arrogant, I don’t care about creds but people do care one way or another; I have 3 degrees from top 5 unis. in rankings). This has made me paranoid that girls are after me because they are vain and want to be validated intellectually somehow. So I avoid all girls who know me in real life and with new girls I meet I pretend to be very unintellectual and lie about what I do (I tell them I’m a personal trainer).
It’s really not just about “getting the bang.” She could be banging you because she’s angling for something. I don’t find it exciting to be with a girl who’s using sex as part of a “deal.” I want her to be wanting sex with me because I sexually excite her.
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I’m hearing you bro. Hearing you. Bitches man…. amiright??!
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#EliotRodgerWasRight
but seriously I’m saying the opposite of what he’s saying
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“I want girls to like me for my looks, physique, sexual power. I have a feeling otherwise that something is up. That the woman is trying to scam me, to get something else from me. Call it vanity or call it paranoia or whatever”
Are you bro?
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Lolzolzozzozlzlzolz…
Nitrous…ur possibly trolling…if not…Erriot Rodgers is your dad.
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It’s just a phase. I’ve wanted to be wanted for many things, now I just don’t give a shit…
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I’d advise learning one of them skillz folks talk about–dancing (ballroom/swing/salsa), or the mighty guitar. For me, karaoke works implausibly well. Dumbest thing ever, but I’m really good at it, and they don’t really clue in to the AmEx platinum until much later.
/Note, I live in a tourist area so I target specific bars where they’re only in town for a short while. With cheap gas, the islands are really hopping on weekends, and then they drive back to Georgia or Alabama or wherever.
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> “I tell them I’m a personal trainer”
This actually isn’t a bad line to mask your nerdery – I used essentially the same line at the #1 Uni [I’d tell them I was a “weight lifting instructor” at the local gym].
> “I want her to be wanting sex with me because I sexually excite her.”
What sexually excites her is your MASCULINITY. You can be loudmouthed asshole masculine, or tall dark and handsome quiet stranger masculine, or some mix of the two, but you must be MASCULINE.
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Building comfort, rapport with strangers is a key skill in sales. It works equally well with women. I wonder how many Chateau readers work in sales? I assume they find all of this a lot easier and have the numbers to back it up.
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Contrast = Alpha. In pickup you differentiate yourself from the “what do you do”s with stuff like this. Contrast.
In sales you do the same thing by talking about the client’s issues with his kids, home life, childhood, career plans etc. and never ever mentioning your product or service. No pitch. Contrast.
When in doubt choose contrast in thought word and deed.
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Everyone is expecting a pitch and a facade. Give them some reality.
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Yes. So much of this is about having a simple conversation [which a lot of guys find difficult, but that’s another subject]. I’ve seen so many younger guys try to start conversations with women by mentally going through a list of appropriate questions, with a frightened deer-in-the-headlights look on their face, instead of allowing the interaction to develop naturally, spiced with light teasing and playful remarks. Women, like clients, can tell if you’re just a shlub pushing a product.
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> “which a lot of guys find difficult, but that’s another subject”
Actually, I think it’s the central purpose and raison d’etre of the Chateau – trying to give these dudes a swift kick in the seat of their pants and getting them out there TALKING to these girls. [And let’s be honest, if at some point you don’t enjoy TALKING with women, then you might as well switch to Japanese sexbots. Or just whack off to porn.]
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It’s all sales, with the added advantage of the mark being drunk.
I heard SoSuave invented the wheel and Owen Cook first packaged slice bread, too.
Witness the danger of overinvesting in an internet self-esteem mythos. The worship of what a kid’s Dad should talk to him about on fishing trips leads to gauche hyperbole about social superpowers and magic tricks. It’s unseemly and retarding and, worst of all, false. The un-self-conscious use of the term “normal society” is telling.
How did we ever manage to get penis into vagina before the legendary love forums? “Sexual intercourse began In two-thousand three…”
Matt
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MK, do NOT misunderestimate the effects of several decades’ worth of scorched-earth anti-masculinity total warfare on the part of the Evil Psychiatrists. We’ve got boys growing up nowadays who are scared of their own shadows – they’re falling over each other trying to see who can slur his speech in the greatest lisp and who can grow the largest manboobs and who can waste the most student loan dollars on a less-than-worthless academic major. The Evil Psychiatrists know what they’re doing, man.
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They will become men or they will be replaced by men. The truth has a peculiar persistence.
We are both looking at the same challenging landscape, friend, but the difference is I deliberately choose not to despair. Despair is an act of the will.
Rejection of unwarranted fear is very different from misunderestimation. I know exactly what we are up against — an army of conniving sissies. Don’t be afraid of their shadows in the gloaming. “When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set.” Yes, guard against their underhanded tactics, but once they are driven out to the open field, we annihilate them like Romans do. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of the nihil, I will fear no evil.
I’ve been saying for some time: There will be no fight. There never was going to be a fight. We will get up the nerve to fight, they will witness it, and they will submit. Look at what the manboys are doing just to get a little strange quim. They have discovered — and blow me down with a feather — that acting like men will get them women, even the women who think they’re supposed to like fags. Women like sex with strong men just like (try to follow me here) men like women with hourglass shapes!!!
Now apply that to the greater culture, and it’s over without a shot fired. The masculine wants to win, and the Eternal Feminine (das Ewig-Weibliche) wants to lose so that they can win. And round it goes. The battle of the sexes will continue, gloriously, until Christ returns with his heavenly host. It’s the war we enjoy fighting because, win or lose, it ends in sex. We just got a little complacent, a little full of ourselves 400 and 100 years ago, we let standards slip a bit. We loosed the choke chain on the bitch and she got uppity.
Further, the “men” among our enemy literally act like women. Some of them wear dresses, dude. With a straight face. They cut off their own dicks and start referring to themselves with feminine pronouns. There are 1000 bottoms for every top among the sodomites. They can’t even get it up to reproduce themselves. Who exactly were you estimating?
The Cultural Marxist conspiracy is a conspiracy until it is called out. Then it is laughed out of existence. There is nothing good in misoverestimating them either. In fact that might be worse. Because if they prove to be made of sterner stuff than we anticipate, they will by definition be our allies. In fact, our ungrounded, untested fear of them is their greatest strength. Everything else they got is weakness.
Matt
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Says Queen B, the late 50’s schmuck with no field experience.
Do tell the readership more about your magical stories of meeting women at church.
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Dude, Evangelical churches on Sunday at noon are POONTANG CENTRAL REPOSITORY. All the trim which you were too terrified to approach during the Nightlife is now stunningly arrayed before you in its Sunday finest, just begging to be Day-Gamed. Trust me on this: POONTANG CENTRAL REPOSITORY.
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I work in sales, though I’m an introvert by nature. I don’t doubt the efficacy of the above rapport building routine, but with respect to women, it’s a superfluous parlor game that doesn’t seem worth the labor. I’ve been with many women in my life and never have I used a premeditated routine to negotiate surrender.
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“Building comfort, rapport with strangers is a key skill in sales. It works equally well with women. ”
100%.
And the parallels between direct solution sales process and seduction process share many fundamentals.
Another aspect not directly mentioned is *listening*. Listening is a skill set. Good sales people, good seduction artists, know how to listen well- find the best entry point (no pun intended) to establish trust, rapport, and move the ball FWD into her vagina goal post.
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It’s like the time I told my MMA teacher how usefully the wrestling techniques were applied to sex. He gave me a weird look. But core life skills have interchangeable crossover.
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@ Mob Barley. Good observation. I’ve never thought of it that way until now.
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“I assume they find all of this a lot easier and have the numbers to back it up.”
It’s a good way to get comfortable with talking to strangers, and rejection matters a lot less when you spend your day cold calling.
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My mother? Let me tell you about my mother…
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I had yo’ mama on a corsair ship off the shoulder of Orion.
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While “just being yourself” will not work if that entails being an awkward beta, the caveat is that owning who you are with confidence will universally increase your success. As in, “I know this is how I naturally am, and I will not allow those negative facets of me to hold me back, but I will allow my natural strengths shine.”
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“owning who you are”–excellent! Good comment all around.
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Dude, I wouldn’t even go so far as to assume that I had any natural strengths – that reeks of Pride, and Pride goeth before Destruction. You haven’t reached true Alpha nirvana until you just don’t give a damn at all – not even about the stuff that you used to think you were strong in. You’re just one lonely man with his back against the wall, staring down 100,000 ISIS murderers with their scimitars, and you aren’t even trembling because you simply do not give a flying fuck.
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Let me expound on that: If you allow yourself the conceit of having natural strengths, then you must necessarily concede that you have natural weaknesses. But if you’ve got weaknesses, then you’ve got something to be worried about, and nothing causes a vagina to freeze up and go dry like nervousness or agitation in a man.
And this doesn’t even’t broach the topic of over-relying on your strengths in life right up until some Super Alpha crosses paths with you and smashes you and [what you had mistakenly allowed yourself to believe were] your strengths into so much dust and ashes.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Quit caring. Don’t give a damn. Let it all go. Then you won’t be nervous in the presence of men or of women. Cause you just don’t give a damn.
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Yeah, the first thing I learned (unlearned) from PUA material back in the pre-web days was STOP BEING YOURSELF. The self that’s you sucks, so change! Here’s how to be a better man: 1, 2, 3…etc.
Man, talk about an epiphany. It made so much sense.
And it came with instructions that told you what to do. The instructions also told you it could only take you so far, so you have to make the rest up yourself. It saved me from a life of celibate misery.
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Agreed. Own who you are. Know what you’re not.
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Engaged at 27 to “rock musician” who moved across the country to her city.
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrBT8AIHt1Ubg8AK2dXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw–/RV=2/RE=1423806088/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2ftelegraph.feedsportal.com%2fc%2f32726%2ff%2f568301%2fs%2f4353456e%2fsc%2f6%2fl%2f0L0Stelegraph0O0Cnews0Cworldnews0Cnorthamerica0Cusa0C1140A87960CAmanda0EKnox0Eto0Emarry0Erock0Emusician0Eboyfriend0Bhtml%2fstory01.htm/RK=0/RS=iVlqYACJFAufP0Jjr7Pg8CFI5L0-
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Golden…….. “Men (aka inexperienced betas) underestimate just how few women, and how infrequently those women, get to experience the attention of a man who really knows how to properly seduce and challenge small-talk emotional blockades.”
Get your game tight and their isn’t any competition out there. Meet some solid guys and the worst you will see is maybe two or three players divvying up the booty (pun intended).
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So that’s why my ears were ringing.
3 notes:
1) note that none of this shit has to do with what car you drive, what your job is, etc. You can be a complete bum but if you can get 10 min with a smokin hottie to run this kind of thing on her and hook her, you can have that girl chasing you. Having money etc. can get you more access to hot girls, like being able to get into exclusive parties and such, but being able to build solid rapport/comfort with people quickly can get you into those same parties for free. Being good looking can help you get more of a window to speak to the girls (VS looking homeless and not getting a chance to speak), but you ca intrigue a girl enough to give you that same window through other PUA concepts like social proof and using pivots etc.
This stuff is basically “Give me 10 minutes to talk away my ugly face and I will bed the queen of France” in action.
Girls want to feel emotionally engaged, both the highs and the lows. If they just wanted looks every girl would have stacks of Playgirl mags, if they just wanted money they would rub a wad of bills over their vag…but they read 50 Shades and Twilight and watch soap operas and shit where they’re emotionally engaged and invested and get addicted to feeling feels lol You can provide that just with your words. It’s why The Cube and Strawberry Fields were used so much in the early PUA days…that shit was chick CRACK
2) a lot of AFCs make the mistake of trying for Comfort before they have Rapport or Attraction. They meet a girl and try to skip Attraction/Rapport and jump right to “so uhh what school do you go to? cool cool that’s a good school, what are you studying? cool I’m studying this other thing. cool, so uhh, do you wanna go out sometime?” You start with Attraction, then transition into Rapport which transitions naturally into Comfort, then into Seduction. Sometimes you can blast through these stages quickly, like you get Attraction off your looks or a sweet opener that hits perfectly…but you generally have to go through the MM order of things.
3) on the flip side a lot of caveman style PUA tries to skip the Comfort stage and just go from Attraction to Rapport and skip into Seduction and just spam shotgun blast approach with that. Better success rate for getting laid than what the AFC I described in point 2 does, but the full out seduction process is better than both of them. It’s just harder to learn and teach because there’s so many different aspects to it, but if you can nail them you can do some pretty awesome shit.
If you’re “studying pickup” and you didn’t write a few of those questions from the OP article down in your phone (grab a couple from each section so you get the full light rapport to heavy deep comfort progression) to actively try applying them in-field with girls this weekend (esp with Valentine’s Day and all)…what are you even doing here?? lol Go try this shit out.
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Also 4) this stuff isn’t necessary to get your dick wet. Like you can run pretty minimal Comfort/Rapport to get the lay and get that girl to come back for more etc. This is about the art form and creating a crazy deep experience for the girl.
The Pleasure of Sex type guys who are more focused on just getting laid will probably find this stuff a waste of time and for them it IS, but the Thrill of the Hunt guys who enjoy the full seduction process will find it more relevant/interesting.
It can be pretty eye-opening the first time you have a girl “in love” with you where she feels like you know her soul and are like no other guy she’s ever met before etc. after just a bit of chatting. Great for getting the innocent good girl types to open up and fuck you quickly as well, and for quickly progressing things to a girlfriend LTR type situation if that’s your thing.
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@YaReally One more note. Different girls need different levels of comfort and rapport.
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5) poop on her.
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Had to throw it out there…
As always. Great posts. Ignore the haters. Keep poopin’…
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This here, these additional comments, one of your top 25 posts.
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Is there anything here you haven’t said three or five years ago? It’s a serious question.
What’s the next step? Your harem of cyberworshipers is full. Do you have the capacity to lead them anywhere, or are you Mr. Chips, content with teaching the next crop of grade-schoolers every year?
/stands on desk
“O Captain, my Captain!”
Teaching kids is a noble and necessary job, but it is stagnating your development. And the rote repetition better suits a woman’s mind.
I am genuinely interested. Like I used to tell the host here, he has the talent and the self-possession and the perspective to take his social revolution out of the ghetto. Just the same: you have too much going for you to continuously shoot your wisdom-load on the bathroom wall of another man’s blog.
Your path seems obvious to me. I said elsewhere that you are the Ann Landers of the manosphere. Why not take the blog that someone set up for you and answer readers’ questions? Get an e-mail address, post when the spirit moves you. It must be frustrating to be locked up in moderation and confusing for the fan club to follow your pearls across random comment sections. Feature what you want to feature. Ban cranky antisocial virgins like me. Elevate top commenters to attention.
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, / dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix, / angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night….
Matt
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You’re being dismissive without understanding what’s going on, people come on here to learn, the older playas are teaching. Its a continuous process, they’re learning too, getting further understanding and wisdom.
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“Howl”
Allen Ginzberg
Are you sure you wanna quote him?
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I say that because the advice Allen Ginzberg might have given (if he had not died already) to young men, might not be very traditional. As a complete raving fairy.
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@eric: Yes, that’s the Mr. Chips option. Students don’t stay in school forever, nor should teachers. Part of retaining the credibility to teach is the ambition (or need) to grow out of one’s present circumstances. And it is just mentally healthy to avoid repetition.
@Rum: What, are you saying that faggle babble isn’t the perfect way to get through to today’s pomo homos? Even our warrior elites are reading it!
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A fair way of reading my comments: Ginzberg wrote great poetry in the context of his era – The Beats/Keruack/Ferllingeti/or even Hunter Thompson – but he was constitutionally wrong for the job of helping straight guys fuck girls. The odds are quite good that he himself never wanted to do that. Therefore, his advice might not be the best.
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How about if it’s employed in the attempt to convince aimless men to stop “dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix”?
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@King A
“Is there anything here you haven’t said three or five years ago? It’s a serious question.”
brb, I have to go condescendingly ask universities if they’re still telling students that 2 + 2 = 4…god, that’s SO three years ago guys!!
“What’s the next step?”
There is none.
“Your harem of cyberworshipers is full.”
Irrelevant. I would be posting even if no one responded to me. You focus on “cyberworshipers” because your value system is based around “how many people like me”, like a high-school girl. That’s why you write your long-ass Bible screeds hoping to recruit a few more Gregs to suck your dick.
I annoy you because you’ve been here longer than I have, writing walls of text like I do, but after all that time nobody is “cyberworshiping” you except Greg who I’m sure will be along to call me a fairy any minute now.
I’m just here to post information and help other men, the way that other PUAs posted their shit and helped me. Paying it forward because it made a significant difference in my quality of life and I hope other men can get as much value out of it as I did.
“Do you have the capacity to lead them anywhere”
The only place I want to lead them is closer to their goals. Ideally my writing helps give them the tools to lead themselves to wherever they want to go.
“content with teaching the next crop of grade-schoolers every year?”
It’s pretty rewarding to see someone learn and grow, you should try helping other men out sometime.
“but it is stagnating your development”
My dick thanks you for your faux concern but it’s doing just fine lol
“And the rote repetition better suits a woman’s mind.”
Tell us again about the Bible and how we’re all inferior to you, King A. Hey Greg, what’s your opinion on buns in ovens?
“you have too much going for you to continuously shoot your wisdom-load on the bathroom wall of another man’s blog.”
I don’t have an interest in doing this full-time, I have other shit to do…this is just a hobby because I enjoy deconstructing and explaining social dynamics. I don’t want to build my success in life off pickup, I have other ambitions outside of this that are completely unrelated to poon.
“Why not take the blog that someone set up for you and answer readers’ questions?”
I write about what I feel like writing about when I have time to. That’s why I don’t respond to people sometimes (that and often I know they’ll figure the solution out themselves when they think it over or experiment more). It’s no fun when it’s an obligation. I’ll just end up with 2000 sob-stories about “man so there’s this one girl and she’s soooo special and I’m gonna kill myself if I can’t get her and only you can help tell me how to get her and and–” drama.
“Get an e-mail address”
No need for E-Mail. Everyone’s problems are universal, no one needs specialized private help from me. For every guy who has some huge issue or sticking point or handicap or question, there are dozens of other guys have been in the same spot and will benefit from reading the help I give to that first guy.
“post when the spirit moves you.”
I currently do.
“It must be frustrating to be locked up in moderation”
That part sucks dick lol but not enough for me to care about running a blog myself and everyone else gets stuck in mod too anyway.
“and confusing for the fan club to follow your pearls across random comment sections.”
That’s alright. The ones who will actually benefit from what I write are the ones who will actively hunt it down and invest effort into seeking it out. Those are the guys who are going to go out and apply it. Plus I mainly only comment in two places and Lumpy is a wizard so my archive auto-cull it all into one place lol
“Feature what you want to feature.”
I like CH and Rollo’s game related topics. I don’t have any interest in sitting down brainstorming topics to write about.
“Ban cranky antisocial virgins like me.”
You’re free to make as much of a fool of yourself as you like. Posts like this just make me look better to people reading my stuff because I just bat away the petty shit you throw at me lol I have no interest in creating a hugbox, anyone can disagree with me, but if what they’re saying contradicts what those of us who’ve gone out a shitload have consistently found, then they better have a shitload of field experience from more than just themselves to back it up so we can dig down and look for consistent principles. And if anyone wants to ask questions because something doesn’t make sense to them, I’m happy to explain.
“Elevate top commenters to attention.”
Too much work, I have other shit to do. CH and Rollo will bring to attention stuff that’s worth bringing to people’s attention, as demonstrated by this OP.
“Part of retaining the credibility to teach is the ambition (or need) to grow out of one’s present circumstances.”
Oh I’m still growing. I discuss way deeper shit with my PUA buddies in real life. Around here most guys just need some beginner/intermediate help because they haven’t invested the time/study that I have is all. Some of the nuances in interactions that I could write about would simply have no relevance to a guy until he gets to a certain stage where he has the reference experiences to relate to what I’m talking about. If they keep going out they’ll all come to the same understandings I have anyway.
“And it is just mentally healthy to avoid repetition.”
It helps remind myself of the basics and helps make me a better teacher to refine my explanations. It’s also good mental exercise to re-study a concept and think about how it applies to my own current reference experiences. The stuff I do outside of pickup challenges my brain as well. Discussing pickup for me is like grabbing a guitar and crooning out some tunes to relax after a long day is for other people.
“How about if it’s employed in the attempt to convince aimless men to stop “dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix”?”
As soon as you provide men with more value than me, they’ll be your “cyberworshipers” instead of mine and then you can pat yourself on the back that you finally “beat” big dumb ol’ YaReally in your high-school girl popularity contest.
Half of your frustration is just that 1) no one seems to value the same things you think they should, but more importantly 2) you are inept as a leader of men at convincing them they SHOULD value what you think they should. That’s your own failing, but you’re welcome to keep taking it out on me…your posts make me look good.
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Do you really believe a person who defecated on a girl’s chest, in service to some misshapen desire for power, is fit to lead in any capacity outside the confines of HTML, if even that?
This guy is a manipulator of the highest order and this absolute power he achieves over certain women is a power that has corrupted him in the absolute. The depth of his depravity is written for all to see, particularly in his scat play but also in other sexual practices, some of which he’s detailed on this site a few month ago.
He really is a sick fuck. Useful to a degree, yes, but sick nonetheless. I expect better from leaders.
Moreover, he’s dereacinated and could care less if his daughter, sister or mother smokes black pole.
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Poon-über-Alles slags who go so far as to make the shit-fer-brains of their personal ethos manifest itself by actually shitting on a girl’s chest, and who glory in sock-puppeting “I love you, man!” responses from the “Give Us Barabbas!” mob of would-be Lochinvars of the boudoir, well… merely smug and snarky candidates for perdition.
I mention no names, but if the shoe fits, take it square in the ass.
Then again, at least it’s an ethos.
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lol I wrote a response to my fan club of haters and it’s in mod right now but mentions Greg coming along to suck King A’s dick. I am lol’ing that his lips were already so close to it’s throbbing little tip that his response came before mine made it out of mod lol
Tell us all again how being repetitive is feminine behavior King A.
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Ya’s homoerotic projections aside, he needs to be less disingenuous if he would trade barbs… knowing full well repetition of rote (ahem) learning and drive-by shtick routines for comedic effect are zweierlie.
For example, can you say GBFM, toilet-gamesman? Sure, I knew you could.
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Tell the peanut gallery more about what your imminent posts are going to mention…
… and throw in a few more “lol”‘s…
… your cacophagic legion of poon-jabbers hungrily away such displays of derring-do-do.
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Word of advice. Start filling out your blog. And I love beatnik poetry but they are nothing compared to the original beatnik Walt Whitman. “Be curious, not judgemental.”
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I thought Whitman was “Bi-Curious”?
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I appreciate your attempt at a serious answer. Well lol as serious lol as you lol can be lol.
I understand why you don’t create a blog, I share the same general lack of interest and resource limitations, namely the most precious resource of them all, time. “You may ask me for anything you like except time” (Napoleon — no Chuck Palahniuk, and no meme graphic, but still). People underestimate the daily grind of content creation.
My point was, the pieces are already in place for you, to the extent that one of your wettest-pantied admirers has done all the legwork for you! Where’s the downside? Instead of command-F’ing for your name in the comment bowels here, peruse your inbox and fire off a post. Or respond directly to a comment where you can more directly manage the medium. Time is not the issue, and aggravation would be reduced, especially with regard to conversation flow. Your fans would thank you and it would take even less effort.
But no. Instead of taking a moment to consider something I said, you would rather burn calories figuring out some way to impugn my motives. This is the repetition I’m talking about. Not salutary repetition like physical exercise but OCD-like repetition that indicates a psychological obstacle. Namely:
This is purest projection. Here I’m suggesting in good faith how to leverage your relative popularity into making your life easier, but because it requires you to break out of your comfortable ritual, you assign phantom motives of envy and competition. You do not practice what you preach. You are always counseling others to get out of their comfort zone and to try new, courageous things. But in this one area where you can demonstrate rather than assert your “value” — don’t listen to what I say, watch what I do — you ridicule a person for even suggesting it, and like a paranoid, attribute nefarious reasons to its ever being brought up. Not unlike our first exchange at this level years ago.
Bad repetition. You aren’t advancing, you are going in circles and calling it exercise, or more ludicrously, “paying it forward.” I assume no one tells you these obvious things because your brand of inch-thin, relativist, soft-left psychobabble you pull out in a pinch (when the conversation gets interesting and original) is enough to get by with the kind of men you choose to hang out with. You’re right — I am decidedly not that kind of man.
I am Christian, we are the original practitioners of “pay it forward.” If you weren’t so blithely slothful about what you don’t know (and what you think you don’t need to know), you’d have good will toward someone who took an interest in trying to improve you, even if it were a misguided attempt.
Matt
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Little known fact: lol is the emoticon for “hands up, don’t shoot.”
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Apparently Ya really really likes the Fight Club icon…
When he’s through patting himself on the back… or, in his parlance, sucking Palahniuk’s dick… maybe he can give us one of his scintillating decompositions on the seldom-mentioned but terribly overt (for those with discernment) latent homoeroticisms of THAT flick.
Start with the more obvious big moosie hugs and continue on to the reason why he had to destroy that pretty boy’s face.
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@”King” A and Greg. Science has yet to determine why the HVAC industry attracts so many anti-semitic homoseksuals ( British pronunciation required.) .
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bizarre that people actually take the time to respond to ‘Matt’. Why do you guys respond to this guy’s ramblings? massive waste of time & space in the comments
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The thing about Ya is that what Ya says simply gibes with real life. You can predict based on PUA sayings. Greg et al just say a bunch of shit that may or may not be true.
Latest example: Ya (and PUA principles) correctly predicted that despite a good-looking dude in the lead and saucy source material, women would think that 50 Shades of Grey Movie wouldn’t be sexy.
“Part of the difficulty is the lack of sexual chemistry between the two leads.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2949883/Sorry-ladies-Fifty-Shades-movie-spanking-great-bore-JAN-MOIR-sees-world-premiere-year-s-hyped-film-t-whip-enthusiasm.html#ixzz3ReVMLLjD
“Perhaps worst of all, chemistry is nil between Jamie Dornan as billionaire Christian Grey and Dakota Johnson as curious college student Anastasia Steele.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2015/02/10/50-shades-of-grey-review/23154403/
Go read the reviews for yourselves.
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Careful now… Ya will accuse you of sucking his dick…
… oh, wait… he and his droogs only do that to men who have OTHER bro’s backs.
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The point, Greg is that the underlying principles (from PUA) are useful. What you say is not useful. If you’re so sad about PUA being ‘muh dik,’ then add to it and make it better. You don’t do that. You don’t help.
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What Greg says is highly useful, just not useful at any level at which you consistently operate. What happened? I thought you were one of the bright ones who spied something better than the ghetto, with your references to DWEMs and pretensions to philosophy and whatnot.
You mean YaReally predicted that a diminutive, beady-eyed rat-face playing a pretend sadist written by a porcine planetoid under a feminist’s direction wouldn’t oil up the housewives’ coozes quite as promised? Get that man an astrology column!
Of course the underlying principles of PUA are useful. But you don’t seem to be aware of the limits of their utility or the principles which prop up the Commandments of Poon. For shame. I had marked you down as one with the potential acuity.
You pikers should familiarize yourselves with the idea of “both/and.” One set of concepts is larger and contains the other, and it ain’t the one conjured up by trial-and-error street magicians in the early aughts.
Matt
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Even Petroleus Rex wouldn’t have forseen this flame-war progress in a constructive direction. MK, could you elucidate the limits of PUA principals’ utility and describe the principles which prop up the Commandments of Poon? As well as revealing which set of concepts encompasses PUA/Game? It would be of interest to me, even though the war is over for me now, but it will always be there, the rest of my days as I’m sure Matt King will be, fighting with Ya Really for what Greg called possession of my soul. There are times since, I’ve felt like the child born of those two fathers. But, be that as it may, those of us who did make it have an obligation to build again, to teach to others what we know, and to try with what’s left of our lives to find a goodness and a meaning to this life.
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Are you a chick? Then I’m not fighting to possess your soul. That’s between you and The Holy Spirit, brother. The victory is won, I’m just here to proclaim it.
Game is manliness (re)applied in the 21st century to the challenge of attracting women. Because acting like a man is controversial where it is not illegal today, the reacquisition of these social skills had to be performed under the radar by desperate men with little to lose.
Now these pioneers-in-their-own-mind are protective of their discovery, attribute its success to no one but themselves, and see no application beyond rubbing their sterile dicks against contracepted wombs. Those of us of the generations that were taught to forget — and yet somehow acquired a knowledge of history — understand this development in its proper perspective.
There are bigger fish to fry. But to make that claim is to trigger the paranoia of The Keepers of The Game and imagine us enemies who want to steal their contextualized ghetto glory. No matter how much we appreciate (and encourage) a man to indulge in his share of snapper, the gameboys want to pit ourselves against them for not buying every Dating for Dummies guide ever made. For convenience they lump us in with the pious and self-righteous, or even at times with the sexless feminist clams, for pointing out the destructive contradictions of the sexual revolution. “Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences.”
In other words, the limits of PUA application are the limits they have placed on themselves in their monomaniacal pursuit of nachos, I mean notches. They are casting their dicks down into a giant abyssal vagina like island natives at a volcano. It’s not the worst life, but there’s more to life.
The principles undergirding the poon commandments are the ones fathers have been passing to their sons from the beginning of time. They are a useful Rosetta Stone for interpreting this fucked-up sexual market in the era of the daddyless boys. The commandments’ utility depends on the understanding of the men who wield them. If they ignore them, they are destined for lisping millennial faggotry; if they worship them, they are bound to apply them merely in the pursuit of satisfying base needs. Take the principles for exactly what they are worth, and they can begin the revolution which leads a culture back to sanity.
Matt
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Never said the “underlying” principles weren’t useful… just the monkey-dance douce-chill-inducing gyrations I keep seeing here.
If what you mean is that I don’t help the Poon-über-Alles brigade, then I heartily agree… and consider it a mark of pride to bounce at the chateau and slap down some of the more egregious antiWhite Cathedral shills and snarky muh-dik darkies. More than one have enjoyed it and indeed, joined the fray in the recent months… long overdue in the quest to get YT to win back his sack (leastwise, in Cyberia for now) on all issues Rosa Parkesque and Hollo-YKW-woody-cost.
With an occasional jest (which again, more than one have enjoyed, or so they said) and a soupçon of referential wisdom of the ages (a la the venerable GBFM) and a touch of Scripture, when warranted.
So you work your corner, bub… and I’ll work mine.
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If you’re saying that Greg’s statements are useful as a matter of higher philosophy, then, no, not really. Bellyaching isn’t philosophy.
Saying that the principles are useful does not equal saying that ‘there are no limits to their utility.’ The problem, is that most of the commentary regarding that area ‘beyond’ PUA is not particularly useful. That’s not even an insult. In that area, there are others who have staked their claim — actual philosophers. If you all believe you can churn out more useful wisdom than they can, fine. I haven’t seen it yet.
Most any PUA is aware of the ‘limits.’ They talk about them all the time. The entire point is to give any particular individual a set of skills that will help him better find himself as a man and discover what he wants to believe.
Where’s the harm? Where’s the disconnect, even? To be honest, A, it seems like you’re contrary to be contrary.
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‘More than one have enjoyed it and indeed’
Which means nothing. People enjoy negativity. Like I said, if you were really interested in helping, you’d help. You don’t help. You snipe and complain.
Instead of viewing the ‘poon’ brigade as enemies, why not just view them as fellow men? You can’t, because you can’t separate ‘game’ from ‘ghetto,’ nor are you interested in even either finding where the separation is or demarcating it for yourself. What you do is easy. To actually help build….that is hard.
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In typical darky fashion, you attempt to play the “brutha” card on a weak hand.
I have no truck with the minions of muh-dik and materialism, so “help” of the sort they are looking for will not be forthcoming from this quarter.
“For what fellowship does the light have with darkness?”, as Scripture tells us.
It also tells us that a wise man loves a rebuke, and whom the Lord loves, He chastens…
Of course your and your ilk deem this “negativity”, in the most feminine of just-live-for-enjoyment mentalities.
Let’s just agree there’s enmity between our respective seeds…
… and your kind is just going to have to live with the fact that, when some of us smell bullshit, we’re going to say phew out loud, and warn others not to step in it.
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You chose the term “higher philosophy.” I am talking about broader application and greater utility. Greg’s statements apply to politics, the nation, the general culture, history, the future, and the war of the sexes. You regard anything that isn’t specifically devoted advancing the occult knowledge of Pick-Up as ipso-facto evidence of insolence for even being brought up.
I know the gameboys acknowledge “limits,” but they don’t live that acknowledgment. That’s the problem. They get provoked and defensive — like you just did (“Greg et al just say a bunch of shit…”), without prompting — whenever your sacred principles are put to the test by skeptics. Witness my innocuous suggestions above, which were treated like attacks and answered with poorly-thought-out character judgments.
Your kind feels the need to interject yourselves into our conversations and pit us against you in an either/or situation. You don’t see me (or Greg) heckling your Faux-Military Field Reports when they stick to their limited utility. You focus on the speaker rather than what has been spoken. There is no good reason for the unsolicited enmity. The town is big enough for all of us, but you can’t imagine the possibility.
If you acknowledge limits, rather than choose to be wounded when someone points them out, why not accept the premise and add to it? As in: “Yes there are limits, but they aren’t as limited as you think they are.” If you weren’t so defensive, your instinct would find areas of common agreement and build on them, rather than just sputtering in rage at the fact that men like Greg and me exist.
Matt
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Of course, it’s much better to believe in an invisible, supernatural being, right Matt?
You are an ignorant, superstitious dipshit. You are a Jackass Jerkoff Jesuit on a Jesus Jihad, and you are no more suited to opine on Game or women than the village idiot.
Matt King: believes in angels, demons, daemodands, saints and miracles; has admitted he “loves” Feministx/Littlespoon; wooed GeishaKate but was pipped at the post by Mark Minter; is the leading exponent of (and, perhaps, the sole practitioner of) “Big Brother Game”; and, perhaps most tellingly, has proudly and unabashedly admitted he has never kissed a woman, let alone slept with one.
And he’s supposed to educate the commentariat on…what, exactly?
Listen up, fuckwad. I’m sick and tired of twerps like you stinking up the joint. This is a forum for those of us who have actually touched a woman. No one here gives a damn about your pompous, nonsensical ramblings. Grab your “the end is near” sign, amble down to the nearest subway, and start haranguing the passersby with one hand while you jerk yourself off with the other. The discussions which take place here are far above your intellectual pay grade — to say nothing of your real-world experience with women.
Now go practice Big Brother game on some unreformed slut you hope to convert.
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‘I have no truck with the minions of muh-dik and materialism, so “help” of the sort they are looking for will not be forthcoming from this quarter.’
Learning how to attract women is not per se ‘muh-dik’ and ‘materialism.’
‘Of course your and your ilk deem this “negativity”’
It’s negative and worst of all useless. If you want to discuss what ‘men’ value, it’s utility above empty chatter.
‘when some of us smell bullshit, we’re going to say phew out loud, and warn others not to step in it.’
You smell bullshit based on nothing. You have already admitted you agree that the principles themselves are useful. Everything else you add to game is just you. Unless you believe there’s something ‘bullshit’ about learning how to attract women or what women are attracted to, you’re not warning anyone about anything — you’re just whining and arguing with phantoms.
‘Greg’s statements apply to politics, the nation, the general culture, history, the future, and the war of the sexes.’
It’s great that you want to ‘talk about’ greater applications of game principles beyond ‘the game.’ However, I have yet to see any comment on the matter that’s useful or makes any kind of real prediction.
‘whenever your sacred principles are put to the test by skeptics’
But you guys aren’t putting those principles to the test. Greg arguing against materialism or in favor of Christianity or whatever has nothing to do with what women are attracted to. If the game principle is ‘women are attracted to a strong man,’ and someone says ‘more people need to believe in God,’ the second statement is just a tangent.
‘You don’t see me (or Greg) heckling your Faux-Military Field Reports when they stick to their limited utility.’
Ya started this sub-thread by talking about game principles. So yes, I do see you guys heckle PUAs when they talk about game.
‘The town is big enough for all of us, but you can’t imagine the possibility.’
The entire comment section of CH, sure.
‘ If you weren’t so defensive, your instinct would find areas of common agreement and build on them’
Save the fact that I already did: PUAs and ‘you’ agree on the fact that PUA itself doesn’t give meaning to your life. It’s just a set of skills.
The entire reason I said you’re contrary to be contrary is because there is a lack of disagreement on this point. Yet, you hammer it home constantly, as if there were some great debate on it and PUAs were saying ‘life is only about pussy.’
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@Matt: I found your explanations to be quite reasonable. And the cautionary imagery was excellent. I would tend to dismiss out of hand the prospect of a revolution. However, I’ll concede there are a slew of signs that things might be changing slightly, appearing in main stream media. The MGTOW ideologies probably have more potential for revolution than those in the PUA sphere. “the war is over for me now… obligation to build again, to teach to others what we know, and to try with what’s left of our lives to find a goodness and a meaning to this life.” was written for Greg Eliot, head film critic for the onion’s, benefit. It’s the closing quote from Platoon, and is a somewhat apt, albeit wry, tribute to the more luminous names among the CH comments.
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Revolution doesn’t necessarily mean violent upheaval. It means replacing the cultural commissars at the commanding heights. If it takes a few generations, so be it. Nothing worth doing can be accomplished in single lifetime. (Niebuhr)
The mistake socialists made is illustrated pithily in Marx’s Eleventh Thesis on Feuerbach. “The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it.” Revolutions that demand immediate satisfaction are efforts that fail the day after tomorrow. Which is one reason why the violent communist revolutions all eventually petered out, while the gradual Cultural Marxist revolution — the “march through the institutions” — began slowly, grew and strength, and persists to this day.
Not coincidentally, time is on our side. We have the perspective of the generations, going backward (conserving the past, the “democracy of the dead”) and forward (making family central to our lives), and we have the church of the sub specie aeternitatis.
In the meantime, our lot is to put in our oar and keep good cheer. Happy warrior stuff.
Matt
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Good point. It’s interesting how the twitter generation is analogous to the instant satisfaction demanding revolutions (Arab spring anyone?). My despondency arises at each realisation of how comprehensive the cultural marxist revolution is, and how formidable those who established that pervasive religion/cult are. They’re just using the twitter generation like puppets. But you make a very valid point to remain in good cheer. That’s important ‘inner game’.
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You prove my point.
Please refer to the paragraph that begins, “What Greg says is highly useful, just not useful at any level at which you consistently operate. …”, supra. In other words, Greg’s motives are expressed in a language you have obvious trouble interpreting.
I am speaking only for myself, but I in fact “started this sub-thread” not by talking about “game principles” at all. I was suggesting ways to communicate more effectively and to also practice what you preach. I never break into your “What Happened Last Night” dialogues, I don’t even read them. They’re tedious and elementary and repetitive, and they’re all yours.
But when you start making your half-baked case for your “real life” reports vs. our “bunch of shit,” yes, I say something. And it’s not even because I want you to respect what we are saying — that ship has sailed. It’s more about pointing out your gratuitousness. You can make your point without trying to put down people you can’t really put down. For instance you injected yourself into the thread with this snark:
You could’ve made your point without mentioning Greg at all. Instead you couldn’t help yourself, you had to draw an irrelevant contrast, you had to make (or maintain) an enemy. That’s just bad policy, or worse, indiscipline.
Matt
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In other words: one operating at this base level is not one whose pleasures are a celebration of life, but, rather, one whose pleasures are an escape from it.
Or so it goes…
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‘Please refer to the paragraph that begins,’
You saying it is does not make it so. What many of you say has nothing to do with what does and does not attract women. You started talking about ‘the broader application of these principles.’ Refer yourself to this statement: If the game principle is ‘women are attracted to a strong man,’ and someone says ‘more people need to believe in God,’ the second statement is just a tangent
‘I in fact “started this sub-thread”’
That wasn’t you 2/12/2015 4:31 PM. Maybe there’s a disconnect. To me, there’s a main thread that the OP starts. And then there sub-threads, which consist of posts that reply to a thread post.
If you believe that me telling you that these ‘disagreements’ are more imagined than real is me trying to put you all down, then fine. It’s not unexpected.
Here and now, list your main grievance against PUA. Be brief about it, if you can, so that even an idiot like me can properly interpret and understand it.
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And if it is anything along the lines of ‘now these pioneers-in-their-own-mind are protective of their discovery, attribute its success to no one but themselves, and see no application beyond rubbing their sterile dicks against contracepted wombs,’ then it suffers from the slight defect of being untrue…as I already said.
So….clarify, if you would.
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lol
“That’s just bad policy, or worse, indiscipline.”
Matt’s scolding tone policing shit is like a little girl having a pretend tea party throwing a huff that people aren’t following her rules. “DADDY you have to lift your PINKY when you drink the pretend tea!!!! Now Mr. Bunny what do we say when someone fills our tea cup?”
Although I’m enjoying his new victim strategy of “everything I’ve ever said for years has actively been picking fights with you, but I took a few months off and now I’m back pretending to give a shit about your best interests and you don’t seem to believe that I’ve had a change of heart and suddenly care, I’m such a victim everyone look at big bad ol YaReally being paranoid and mean!!”
If people don’t trust you, it’s because you fucked your own reputation up long ago. Time to read The Boy Who Cried Wolf during storytime at your next tea party.
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How does this go together with the player rule, that you should not aks too much questions but rather make statements or assumptions (based ond ‘cold reading’ e.g.)?
[CH: the rule you’re thinking of is “statement-statement-question”. not “statement infinity”.
the idea behind the rule is that you, the man, establish higher value early on with this formulation. but once in deep rapport, questions will flow more naturally.]
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Questions :
1) If you are on a date, how best should one progress through the sequence of 36 questions without looking too rehearsed?
2) Do you really have to do all 36 in that order to get an effect? Or should one just memorize a few of the early ones, some middle ones, and a few late ones? Will that suffice?
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
“It is … the year two thousand. We are robots. The humans are dead.”
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Cajun over at Lovesystems had something like this, called the “question game” He’s get the girl into a relatively secluded part of a bar/restaurant and sit beside her and not across. The rules of the game are that once a question is asked, it can’t be asked by the other person, this rule gets two exceptions per game. The object is to eventually ask a question your partner won’t answer. (Not really, the object is to get her horny.) He’d start out with relatively innocuous question like above. Laser eye contact. Then he’d move on to sex questions: favorite position, number of partners, last time etc. As the date winds down and both participants are giggling and blushing he’d ask in her ear “are you a good kisser?” And then “prove it” Niagara ain’t got nothing on the sploosh those girls let loose.
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Yeah, memorize a couple of questions from each set, then slip them into the conversation. They’re also good for changing subjects when you hit a lull in the conversation.
I’ve even started dates with my own versions of the fun/dopey questions. “So I need to ask you a serious question…do you sing in the shower?” Often times, that’s enough spark a good conversation, and you won’t need to follow a script.
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A good one I use is “If you could wake up anywhere in the world tomorrow where would it be?” Then you just talk. We got innkeeper topics for a short time after that.
Easy. I got a sexy ass stranger’s number last night using this technique. She kept telling me to get in contact with her because she really wants to see me again and again lol. I’m glad I read this post because I almost forgot about this technique and would not have used it otherwise.
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“A good one I use is ‘If you could wake up anywhere in the world tomorrow where would it be?”’
It’s widely applicable; I’ve used it on dates, at parties and in text and it usually kills. They’re expecting you to ask them some mundane question about school or their hometown. When you ask them a silly question fit for a third grader, they can’t contain their excitement.
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Read YaReally’s post above, #3, second paragraph.
If it helps: think of each set of questions as a progression, each one blends seamlessly into the next. You frame it the whole way. You’re conducting.
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If it is a progression, then memorizing all 36 in the correct order would be necessary, which is not just hard and prone to error, but comes across as an interview…
It seems it would work best on a girl you are already seeing, but want to ramp up to insane lust. It would be harder to run in a first-date setting.
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@Anon2
Just memorize like 2 Qs from each stage. 36 is overkill lol The progression from light rapport to deep comfort is more important than the number of questions used to get there.
And you work on naturally dropping them into the conversation. Like she asks what your job is so you can ask what she does and then seague into “Is there something that you’ve dreamed of doing for a long time? Why haven’t you done it?” and to her you’re just this fascinating guy asking deep-ass questions that other guys don’t ask (the “why haven’t you done it?” makes her qualify herself), but you just pulled that off the list.
Don’t gotta’ use the whole crayon box in every drawing lol
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@Anon2 The way to start this is best explained by Krauser with “Let’s play the questions game… you ask me a question and then I’ll ask you one…but make it interesting, no “What is your favorite colour….stuff”
Every time I’ve done this girls respond. Then I gradually amp it up.
In Krauser’s book he’s got a list of more concise questions that sexualize early and drive the interaction.
If you sexualize early and get push-back, pull back, then plough on.
An example might be: “How old were you when you first kissed a boy?”
What’s the naughtiest thing you ever did when you were a kid?
Besides your lips, what part of your body do you most like kissed?
Etc.
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can negs be considered male version of shit tests?
I just made a newbie mistake in field. A girl i was gaming made me jump thru a hoop and i realized it afterward 😦
also any particular tweaks in game to deal with teenage girls?
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Teenage girls?
Hmm.
Tell her she’s pretty and special and poop on her.
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@Anonymous A shit-test is what a girl does when she’s attracted and wants to “test” to see if you’re worth giving her eggs to. It’s often done unconsciously.
Men meantime should qualify girls: A simple one: “Do you know the name of this song?” If she doesn’t, shake your head…she’s qualifying herself.
Gaming teenage girls? I game 20 year olds. The key is finding the more mature ones who like older dudes, they exist. Then you have to be that mix of maturity and fun….just crazy enough for her to chase you and just mature enough for her to want to keep fucking you.
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The best part is that 36 questions are too many to memorize. But maybe you can read them from a list.
Here’s my advice to you and many others: Learn to read the mood. Then you will realize when your openers work, when it’s time to switch gears, when she’s ready for banging or not. (The “window” that some mention.) This is a skill too, by the way.
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Why do we care about NYT so much? It’s like a bunch of avant garde jazz artists getting together to talk about what Kenny G Is doing.
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Good point.
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We care about the JYT because it’s Evil Psychiatrist Central Command – where the Evil Psychiatrists issue their marching orders to their NKVD Schutzstaffel Bankkvetsheren. If the Evil Psychiatrists are becoming aware that the Dark Enlightenment has developed counter-measures to their techniques, then the Evil Psychiatrists will get busy working on counter-counter-measures, and/or on changing the original techniques themselves.
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And one of the most successful counter measures is to infiltrate the Dark Enlightenment with the Bankkvetsheren – “You can’t spell Whiskey without YKW”, The YKW Within, Shiksafinder, Talmudikim, Synagogue Masturbator, RUM – and destroy the Dark Enlightenment from within.
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And one of the most successful COUNTER-counter-measures…
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“And one of the most successful counter measures is to infiltrate the Dark Enlightenmen…”
… is to agree with us but then demoralize with Whiskeyite defeatism.
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BINGO. Psychological Warfare 101 – demoralize the enemy.
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I should give this to my roommate he’s 33 dating almost close to a 40 yr old “separated” girl with 2 kids = major beta. Weird thing is he genuinely likes dating older women. He says ” older women know what they want, they don’t bullshit”. I don’t know what to do? I told him he needs to know that younger girls work differently, but I think all hope is lost. It’s weird living with another guy who it’s just a polar opposite of how you use social dynamics, women, and life.
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P.S. and he just told me he’s going to see 50 Shades of Grey with her.. I just laughed at him and said that move was for chumps.
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SITUATION: Yesterday wife reminds me that she will be coming home later tomorrow because her work is having a Mardi Gras get together at a local restaurant. After viewing numerous cocky game posts on CS I start to have a few nervous thoughts regarding alcohol, co worker players and wife.
Mr. Putin decides to put operation Dread into effect. Mr. Putin does not contact Mrs. P all day. Mr. P stays at work late then goes to coffee shop and sits down sipping coffee while reading CS posts. Mr. P receives a call from daughter probably wanting to know why no one is home. Mr. P does not answer. This starts the gerbil as daughter will then call Mom asking what is going on. 3 minutes later get a text from wife….
Wife- “Where are you??”
1 min
Me- “Coming Home”
1 min
Wife- “Where were u””
Me- No reply
1 min
Wife- “I’m headed home now”
Me- No reply
I leave coffee shop as women just enters giving me the stare down look of please don’t leave. I don’t want to leave but I am good guy. lol.
I pull in the driveway right after wife. Wife comes in very happy saying she won a prize which is $50 gift certificate at local restaurant. I say “well maybe I will take you out for Valentines Day after all”. She smiles and says that’s what I was thinking! I go to change in the bedroom and wife starts to ask where I was, etc, etc…. I give minimal general answers. Wife can’t stop looking at me in attractive panic.
Bottom Line: There are many wives who are willing and ready to cheat but not all of them. Either way I know not to place too much value on a relationship with a women as it puts one behind the 8 ball. Alpha is about attitude and my attitude is my gain her loss if she leaves. My agenda is truth and that requires stomping out bullshit.
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“Yesterday wife reminds me that she will be coming home later tomorrow because her work is having a Mardi Gras get together at a local restaurant. After viewing numerous cocky game posts on CS I start to have a few nervous thoughts regarding alcohol, co worker players and wife.”
How often do you have to deal with those situations?
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“How often do you have to deal with those situations?”
Not often. It was more a consequence of reading the posts which said every women will cheat. Sure almost every one is capable but there are some who will not allow themselves to be in that situation. With that said I do believe you have to still run a maintenance game in marriage.
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“With that said I do believe you have to still run a maintenance game in marriage.”
Naturally. But I always assumed the game got easier deeper into the relationship if you handled things well early on.
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Game saves lives. Not just guy-lives, but women-lives as well. Until this holy wisdom has been restored to every corner of the earth, the work is not done.
That is, if one cares about simple human happiness, if not human survival.
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Game:
I remember when I was dating my wife the numerous shit tests she as well as others would pull. It got to the point that my game morphed into NO GAME. I had a dating rotation which was augmented by a just don’t care attitude. My attitude wreaked of ambivalence towards them. I was nice but I would ask a girl out almost in a beta way and if it was rebuffed then I would be gone. Well it was amazing how many women who rebuffed me would show up months later with serious flirtations basically begging me to ask them out and this was what underpinned my rotation. I remember women coming over to my house(shared with a couple other guys) and they would be like sea urchins just hanging around while I went about my business.
When I was going out with my wife I remember clearly one of her tests was the country music dancing is important to me test. I did not like country music and even showed no concern for her going dancing once or twice without me. I know she danced with guys because they would be like flies to shit when we were together at a restaurant. Well at one point I basically said that maybe country music is going to be an obstacle in our relationship. She said “oh no it is not that important to me” lol. I set the tone and passed another test.
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When I was single my quick picker upper game was very lacking. But because of this I compensated with an aloof, cocky, don’t give a shit game. It had a much longer lead time but was deadly once it took hold.
For me it wasn’t what I said it was what I didn’t say. If a women rejected me my reaction was a no reaction and so non-caring that it was almost offensive.
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sea urchins i lol’d at this
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The crux of it right here. The best game is not playing any games. Do your shit and let her evaluate if its worth hanging around. Crank the dickish to 11, go after what you want and let the chips fall where they may.
If she’s going to step out it will hardly be because “you didn’t bond with me over XYZ triviality”, it’ll be because you’re slipping in the power rankings relative to the competition, though “neglecting my country dancing” will provide a nice ASD.
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The crux of it right here. The best game is not playing any games. Do your shit and let her evaluate if its worth hanging around. Crank the dickish to 11, go after what you want and let the chips fall where they may.
Amen.
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A better list of 36 questions would be the Whorefinder list. Skip right past Seduction to, …
Lol
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…gape?
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heh
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(to be fair, I don’t think they actually count as questions either lol)
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heartiste@heartiste
Those arrests for minor offenses libs hate are sometimes just proxies for getting perps on much worse offenses. http://www.unz.com/isteve/did-reducing-imprisonment-in-the-1960s-increase-crime/#comment-871954 …
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no it has nothing to do with someone has a heart or some shit and everything to do with making money and controlling peoples lives.
the cops know who the addicts and dealers are so it is not even a challenge to pick them up whenever they feel like it to get some money in the form of court costs and putting them in jail.
It is creating work for the system to keep having a bigger budget for the sytem and hire more people and make more money for peoples relatives who open the drug rehab places you see everywhere that have almost 0 percent rehab rate and its not to rehab anyone but to get the massive amounts of money from those people free insurance that they know they have and are able to force them to participat in over and over and over and over for the rest of their lives like raising drug addicted cattle and shit to keep making you tons of profit
i think jobs dealing with drugs conservatively about 30 percent of my areas revenue prob higher
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i dont think the dude who offed himself was beta
its takes some balls to off yourself
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on the drug tweet yea drugs are big fucking money getting people constantly for small offenses and making money each time my in detail com didnt post
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and they get control of those people lives
is the key thing they own them like cattle
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so no not because of some bleeding heart police crap and reason some crimes dont get solved is because the cops are scared
ever see cops do shit when thee is a riot no
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If it weren’t for snitches, police would be lucky to solve level 1 Sudoku.
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Again, I ask,
Is it much more valuable to do all 36 questions, in that order?
Or is it ok to memorize 5-10 across the list, and use them, with the order being somewhat flexible?
Memorizing all in order would be tough, and also look like an interview…
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MM was revolutionary, but it caused me to over think, when I really just needed good looking guy game. I dread to think of the number of lays I missed out on the last 4 years when girls gave me contact IOIs, gifts, and veiled ‘fuck me’ invitations and I responded with MM early-game tactics (blame myself for misreading MM, not MM). If you give off a physically powerful, manly vibe and are good looking (but a little bitch inside) MM will steer you down the wrong path. Girls will expect, nay demand, quasi-caveman game from you and then loose interest when you don’t deliver. There are some common principals (16 commandments) but there isn’t a perfect type of game for everyone.
For me, Nick Krauser’s Balls Deep and Day Game Mastery plus Bukowski’s novels, have been far more helpful than MM was. Krauser spends more time laying out the different strategies that the different male archetypes should undertake. If you’re the “sports fuck archetype” intermediate game, as configured for most men, will hold you back. Especially true if your inner game is shit.
If you look like you belong in the Saxon shield wall at Hastings but are a social retard, focusing on deadlifts+yoga, style, sexual entitlement and relentless cold approaches will get you further than MM.
[CH: most of these game specialties depend less on the type of man you are than on the stage of her monthly cycle that a woman is on.]
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Media is well aware that game and general red pill concepts it’s true but they want to uphold the social (dis)order, so wake me up when they run headlines like “PUA’s are right about sexuality”…
3 ways they set up realtalk concepts in journalism or entertainment in a meaningless way:
1- spergy/autistic science studies like guys who do dishes getting less sex or divorced (without Heartiste clever insights of course)
2- Vagina friendly red pill entertainment(sex and the city, sexual utopias like the book “Sex at Dawn”, the articles in OP,etc)
3-Larger than life alphas in fantastical situations that is difficult for betas to relate.
All this stuff will get rationalized away in no time, only people who already knows and agree with this stuff will see it for what it is.
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Posting some days back on where the Top girls are and how they get there, article out that goes into some of the mechanics behind hit, the promoters, bottle service, models…
“Late Sunday evening on Aug. 26, 2012, a party promoter and former male model named Pedro Gaspar left his apartment above the MC2 modeling agency to go out clubbing. It was a fairly typical night for the 29-year-old Brazilian. Along with his model girlfriend, Gaspar started out at hotspot 1Oak and ended up at the Meatpacking District nightclub SL. At every turn, they ran into fellow models and friends…
he also started promoting. “He had an advantage because he was a model and knew lots of models, and club promoters loved him because he could walk in with 30 beautiful models,” said a close friend.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/13/the-dead-model-and-the-dirty-billionaire.html
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@Sentient
I live in NYC, the article is accurate. The high end club scene here is total bullshit.. These young “models” are really just hot girls from EE that promoters keep in tiny apartments and bring out to the clubs, like 1Oak and Provoc, which pay the promoters tons of cash for the service. The models attract rich finance beta guys who pay thousands a night for bottle service just to be near the girls. Ultimately these girls rarely actually fuck any of them because they’re required to stay close to the promoter all night, who keeps them on a leash. They’re basically tied to whatever table the promoter needs them at.
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Yeah it’s totally like this in NYC and a lot of other places. Pay to play. Better chance of hooking up with them around Union Square Park and Madison Square Park, when they are moving between the agencies, doing shoots for their portfolios etc. There are like 10 agencies around 14th street and lower 5th/park south. Daygame.
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We discussed this sort of thing back in January, as regarded Stanley Kubrick’s eerily prescient knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein’s sex slave island racket, and Vicus posted a link to this outstanding three-part analysis [including the coverup of the murder of the party girl]: http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/the-hidden-and-not-so-hidden-messages-in-stanley-kubriks-eyes-wide-shut-pt-i/
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If you’re into that, it’s worth looking at the 1hr yt video ‘illuminati symbolism is Back to the Future’. It’s hard to know what agenda such imagery serves, but you’ll still marvel at the genius of Zemeckis.
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and in honor of the fallen Gaspar… your FRIDAY 9, Amanda Huras from MC2 Mgmt…
Just to keep the stories real guys, save to your phone and compare when we hear about the “solid HB9’s” on Monday.
Happy Hunting!
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This makes me want to run to the airport and jump the first flight to the Caribbean. There’s a reason models don’t pose in parkas. Winter sucks.
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Hahaha. Yup that’s why God created the tax haven of Florida… All prime poon is now in warm environs. You really need to be migratory.
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Right. Migratory – like a bird. Stop fapping – and start flapping.
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Hmmm…
she has high brachial, crural and intermembral indices…
Should I get my rope, or call Greg Eliot first?
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Blonde, you’d fuck up high mass.
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She really does have pointy elbows.
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@yareally, etc
Broke it off yesterday with a long term FB (HB8, 23), for no reason other than I think it’s best for her. We’ve been fucking once a week for about a year now. She’s crazy about me but knows anything more than FB isn’t going to happen. She doesn’t push for anything more, but I could sense that it’s messing her up.
She’s told me about guys she starts dating who ask her to be exclusive as soon as they bang for the first time, ugh guys are such pussies. She turns them down even though she’s actively looking for a relationship. So I told her we should just be friends, she should go out and meet someone who’s going to give her the deeper relationship she’s looking for.
I feel like I’m reaching a new level of inner game. I don’t care about notches anymore, or keeping a harem. I don’t have approach anxiety, I don’t care about a girl’s sexual history or if she’s fucking anyone else at the moment. Every girl I meet seems attainable to me.
But now I’m just looking for a girl who has good energy and gives me good emotions, who’s exceptionally beautiful and intelligent and has high self esteem. I want something that feels like magic when we are together, including the sex. I also want to slow down on hooking up — I had 5 new notches last month and none of them felt particularly fulfilling. In a weird way it’s like I’m turning into a chick lol
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awesome…. You’ve been there and done it. Onward to your mission and journey. Whoever comes along comes along, the thirst is quenched.
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@kant
Sorry to hear it but good on you for breaking it off. With great power comes great responsibility.
They will ALL fall for you at some point. The rules about how frequently to see them and how much to tell them about yourself etc. are about trying to delay that point as long as possible so you can enjoy eachother’s company.
I liken it to a toilet paper roll…sooner or later that roll will run out. Something like these 36 questions is the equivalent of yanking on the end of that roll and watching it spin lol The rules are about trying to just tear off as few squares at a time as possible.
You could ABSOLUTELY keep fucking her. No problem. But there’s a point where it starts doing damage to her and that’s where “leave her better than you found her” comes in. At first it’s all an amazing experience for her that betters her life, but there’s a point where you know while you might enjoy her company you don’t want anything super long-term with her and you can tell that she does, and you have to ask yourself “am I now just taking value instead of giving it and is that something I’m comfortable with in terms of how I want to conduct myself?”
Some people don’t have a problem with it, but personally I would rather she go off and find a guy who can give her the relationship stuff she wants. I actively encourage them to, when I see this point on the horizon. If the girls in her early 20s it’s not as big a deal because she has plenty of time left…but a girl who’s 28+? I’m ready to pull that plug fast. And I try not to even get with girls that are 30+ because they need to find a dude before they smack into The Wall and their ovaries dry up lol I don’t think it’s cool to string a girl along through her last child-bearing years.
Part of this comes from knowing myself and knowing exactly what I want and what my goals are etc. At this stage in my life an LTR will hold me back from achieving my career goals, so it’s out of the question. Because I know that, I’m up front about not being boyfriend material and I’m quick to cut them loose if they start getting attached. If I didn’t know what I wanted I would probably string girls along while I try to make up my mind. I think as a man you should know what you want in life and have clear-cut rules for yourself (decided by yourself, VS force-fed to you by society/feminists/religion/etc.).
Personally I would rather be an amazing memory for the girl during a short-time fling than something she regrets from my letting it go on too long.
When you have abundance you know you can get other girls. They’ll come and go. That’s why good bros are important, they’ll be around most of your life while the girls flow in and out of it.
You can get to a point where because the girls come and go, you stop caring about them completely and they become just empty replaceable cogs to you. A lot of Natural players are like that.
Personally I just try to find the good qualities of the girl and appreciate those, and appreciate the time we have together even though I know they’ll be gone sooner or later. Kind of like letting myself fall just a little bit in love with each of them. Like maybe I can tell already that this girl is definitely not mother-of-my-kids material or even “can stand going on dates with her” material lol but maybe she has some interesting view of the world, or has a hobby/passion/job that I can learn some interesting things about through her, or she loves to dress up in lingerie for me, or likes to fuck me public while another girl I’m seeing prefers the privacy of a bedroom and romantic music, or maybe she’s just inherently a good positive person even if I can’t see an LTR with her, or maybe she’s a gym bunny and that makes me want to get my own ass exercising, or maybe she’s a good cook and makes us breakfast after we bang and I get that little glimpse of an LTR life where my “wife” cooks breakfast for me.
And I know they’ll be gone eventually, even if we LTR up if I don’t die before her then she’ll be gone at some point. But that doesn’t take away from how I view the time we have together…in a way I probably appreciate that girl MORE than a lot of people in LTRs appreciate their significant other, because I know our time is probably limited whereas they see their entire life together and can afford to take eachother for granted.
And if she manages to move on with a quality dude I’m legitimately happy for her. There’s no jealousy etc. Ultimately because I care about my girls (because I screen for girls worth caring about), I want them to be happy. If they’re not looking for an LTR, then what I’m offering is enough to make them happy. If they start really craving an LTR, and I’m not offering that, then I let them go and hope that they DO find a guy who can offer them that LTR stuff they’re looking for because I want them to be happy.
Plus the girl always knows she can come back to me if it doesn’t work out and we can hook up while she tries to find her next LTR attempt lol
“She’s told me about guys she starts dating who ask her to be exclusive as soon as they bang for the first time, ugh guys are such pussies.”
lol ya I hear tons of that too, esp in the <25yo crowd. Girls send me screencaps of their convos with their orbiters and it's just brutal. They're so frustrated at how lame guys are now. Guys are basically acting like girls, desperate to LTR them asap and in the clingiest neediest gayest way. Girls want to win the guy over. No one wants a prize that has no value. It's also a big part of why a lot of younger girls are openly looking for older men now, they assume that we won't be as gay and needy as their peers. Unfortunately a lot of guys my age ARE that gay lol
"So I told her we should just be friends, she should go out and meet someone who’s going to give her the deeper relationship she’s looking for."
On that specific note: she will very rarely go find that deeper relationship if she's into you and you two are still in touch at all. Her inner "watched all the romantic movies where the girl finally wins the guy" hamster will spin forever if it thinks there's a chance she can win you over…she'll wait YEARS if she has to.
Often with the sweet nice girls, or the girls you didn't FULLY establish your unavailability to at the start (very common when a guy first starts getting FBs, he doesn't want to disqualify himself as a potential LTR because he worries the girl won't put out or will end things so he just dodges the conversations or lies to them, or SAYS he's cold and dead but then txts them when he's drunk at 1am on a Friday night when he should be with other girls or he comes over and lets her not fuck him and just cuddles, etc. where he's incongruent to that disqualification)
Often with those ones, you have to go full radio silence and fully disqualify yourself so that they'll give up and let go and can move on. It hurts them in the moment, but they'll get over it and then they can really focus on finding a guy…otherwise they'll just compare all the guys they meet to you and, on top of that, because you aren't actually dating her she'll never come to see your faults the way she will with the guys she dates, so her imaginary vision of what an LTR with you would look like will always be better than the reality of what an LTR with other guys looks like (even tho an LTR with you would look the same way).
With the girls you really hardcore disqualify yourself with, you can sometimes keep in touch because they can compartmentalize you as "just for sex" and ditch you when they meet a guy (I often help coach them for how to land a dude lol). Like they know there's no chance of an LTR with you because you told them you're dead inside or focusing on your career or whatever and everything you do seems congruent to that so they accept it, so they know they need to find an LTR guy.
"But now I’m just looking for a girl who has good energy and gives me good emotions, who’s exceptionally beautiful and intelligent and has high self esteem. I want something that feels like magic when we are together, including the sex."
When you've banged enough you'll find you have standards lol When I was an AFC I had no idea what I wanted out of life or in a girl. I was happy with anything. But now I've been around and I very quickly screen out girls who aren't my type. I'm in my 30s and focusing on my career stuff right now so if the girl isn't really truly bringing me value then I'm not interested in spending that time on her. Part of bringing value is her looks lol I could pull a 6 to bang pretty much any given night out, but a 6 isn't bringing me enough value to stay up late and be tired for work the next day etc. I'd rather go home and get a good night's sleep.
When the girls you're banging lose meaning to you, it's often a sign that you need to start approaching hotter higher-quality girls. Part of why a lot of Naturals stop caring about women is they bang a LOT of average/ugly girls in-between the hot ones lol
This is the kind of stuff that just sounds like feel-good "live in the moment" flowery fluff talk until you reach the point you're at where it has relevance lol
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Props man. You’re getting good super fast. I was at 5 last month, dry this month. *facepalm*
Good to keep clarity on goals. My main goal is to get where you are with approach anxiety, still kills me.
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@kant what are your thoughts on 10lifestyle (Distant Light)? I’m thinking I should follow his philosophy and stop chasing chicks/build a lifestyle rather than keep hanging out with pickup bros.
P.S. you’ll find that girl you’re looking for man, for sure. Sorry about your situation.
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Distant Light is great. His whole approach is to be a high value guy who has high standards, spreads good emotions to those around him, and fearlessly goes for what he wants. Can’t go wrong with that.
That said, I don’t really have the energy to be at the meatpacking clubs at 3am anymore.. just not my style. I prefer to game girls one on one. It’s more fun and intimate for me. Distant Light doesn’t believe in dates, but hey he is extremely social.
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‘I don’t care about a girl’s sexual history or if she’s fucking anyone else at the moment. Every girl I meet seems attainable to me.’
It’s pretty liberating to feel that way.
‘I want something that feels like magic when we are together, including the sex.’
To be honest with you, I kind of think that the full red pill is coming to terms with the fact that that doesn’t exist. At least not permanently. They all become a little boring after awhile for me. So the best you can hope for is to just find someone you get along with beyond sex.
I would just tell myself 3 years ago that the real improvement is how you view yourself, really.
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I know it doesn’t exist permanently, but it can happen, maybe even for a few years. Nothing lasts forever
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A few years might be possible. My view on it at this point is that you marry and stay together for children. Otherwise, when the bliss fades and you don’t think there’s anything but the bliss…move on. It really makes zero sense (to me) to get married without a firm plan to have a family, especially in the modern age.
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It’s so cute how MSM is always asking little girls their opinions on political and other big-picture societal issues on which they are literally not equipped to opine.
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/sports-illustrated-swimsuit-issue-model-defends-cover-163547129–spt.html
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Heh, heh… the world according to our latest fifteen minute tootsie:
Pulling down your bikini bottom to nearly show the shaved cooch on one of the biggest national pictorial forums is… (wait for it… wait for it…)…
EMPOWERING!!!
Maybe she has a point… I can feel the power rising myself.
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I got a kick out of some of the comments on the Jezebel linked article such as “..I like the idea of gaining a bit more control over it, however pshchological it may be..”. I’m imagining these little girls thinking they have found the magical key to make him fall in love with her ! I’m sure those same girls read CH’s 16 commandents and think “what a crock of shit” !
Good Article CH ! Thanks!
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It’s Friday, gentlemen!
Get you some of this:
http://www.curvyerotic.com/galleries/carlotta_champagne/carlotta_champagne_lusty_librarian/carlotta_champagne_lusty_librarian_008.php
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*warning, its ugly*
The Protocols of the Learned Betas of Child Support:
http://www.petition2congress.com/1788/unfair-child-support-laws/view/2
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Check out a recent cover of GQ. One title went something like The Era of the Masculine Look. Far cry from the metrosexual days of the late 90s.
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Curious question for ya really or anyone else who knows…other than donations to the Chateau Heariste, are there any PUA products out there you have actually paid for and benefited greatly from????
[CH: Tony’s Lay Guide and Love System’s Magic Bullets consistently receive high marks from budding casanovas. They’re older material now, but still useful.]
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What are their strongest points CH?
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YaReally:
I’ve lost quite a few girls to LMR recently. Any tips for knowing whether this is due to a lack of attraction or lack of comfort or what? Note: these are all girls I met online, all undergrads at good schools who are 20-22. (I’m in my early 20s.)
Other note: this post is long! I tried to make it detailed so you’d have a lot of meat to comment on. No worries if it’s too long to read, and thanks in advance if you make it all the way through 🙂
First girl: met for lunch at a grill place, stole food off her plate, qualified her for being “blunt”, took her with me to Target to buy some stuff for my apartment, she rode with me on the train most of the way to my place and was rubbing my dick under my coat the whole way. Unfortunately I had plans for that night and couldn’t invite her back to seal the deal right then. We then couldn’t meet up for a month or so due to our schedules; she texted and FaceTimed me 4-5 days a week during that period, with me ignoring most of them. Finally I was able to make it back to her apartment, the two of us alone on a Saturday afternoon. I immediately started making out with her and trying to undress her; I think this was due to a false assumption that we’d be “picking up where we left off”. She kept pushing me away so I backed off, but she seemed pretty disinterested, pulling out her laptop to order food off GrubHub, going into the bathroom for five minutes and leaving me in her room with nothing to do (I picked up her phone and started making fun of her reading her messages out loud, she’s been on a lotttt of online dates haha). Ultimately nothing happened, and I left to go on a date for that night with a second girl.
Second girl: met her outside her workplace; we walked through the snow to get food. Conversation was good; sword fights with icicles were good. Went to go see a movie; held hands like we were in high school; she squeezed me really tight at the scary parts. Went to a couple different pubs. Saw Girl 1 at the first bar, which she had tried to get me to go with her to. She reached out to try to touch me and was like “Heeeeey GT how are you doing?!” and I said “hey” like sort of blowing her off and told Girl 2 I didn’t know who she was. Anyway, Girl 2 was saying the whole night that I couldn’t sleep at her place. I live 2 hours away from that area by public transit so I was pretty much banking on crashing with either Girl 1 or Girl 2. Girl 2 seemed to genuinely feel really bad about making me go all the way back, and even offered to pay for my Uber. I promised nothing would happen if she let me in, I’d sleep on the couch, we’d go right to sleep. She still seemed resistant, but was very hesitant to say why. Finally she broke down and told me: rather than pay full rent, she was sleeping in a large closet! Which far from being judgmental about, I had mad respect for (she works two jobs to afford her own tuition, and did the closet renovation herself), so it was a big relief to both of us when she admitted it. Glad I persisted and didn’t take her Uber money and run. BUT, as logical as that reason sounds, she then told me another reason while we were on the couch and making out: some guy who she’s been chasing after for months had invited her out to a late night radio show party and she kind of wanted to go to that. I was like “hey, go if you want to, I’m just glad to have a place to sleep” haha.
So anyway, we made out and talked for a while on her couch. Her roommate came back later on; she was also kind of cute and I flirted with her a little bit but nothing non-plausibly deniable. Then they both went to sleep. I didn’t push at all to sleep in the closet-bed with her, because it felt wrong to do so after pushing somewhat hard to get into the apartment in the first place, because I thought she might be self-conscious about the closet thing, and because I’d had the experience earlier in the day where it felt like pushing too soon had messed up my chances. Got an OK night’s sleep on the couch. Had breakfast in the morning and snuck into her bed for a “nap”. She came in and we spooned and cuddled and I made a light joke about the closet thing which went over well; we started heavy-petting over our clothes and she was fine with anything above the waist but nothing below it. Until I started kissing her belly, which she was really into. She kept telling me to keep going. I kissed her midsection for a while, then pulled down her pants so I could start kissing her legs, which she was OK with because she was enjoying the kissing so much. I teased her for a minute or two (not long enough?) then started going down on her, which I love doing as long as the girl is healthy, although I don’t think I’m that good at it, but it turns me on. Started getting hard and put her hand on it while continuing to go down on her. Eventually stopped going down on her before she came b/c the angle I was forced into by the small dimensions of the room made it uncomfortable to continue. She was happy stroking me off, but wouldn’t get her mouth involved which made me think piv was out of the question… maybe that’s not the case though? Eventually she jacked me off and I left.
Third girl: first date was at a coffee shop, joked around for a bit, made out on the walk back to her place, her roommate was there and was not happy about having a guy there while she was trying to study which made the situation fairly uncomfortable so I left shortly after arriving. Second date I sneakily arranged to go to a coffee shop near my place that I knew would be closed, while talking up the food I had at my place, then pulled the “Oops! Well, I’ve got nice wine at my studio” strategy. We went back to my place, drunk some wine, listened to music, chatted about her upbringing, and got to making out. She was really into that, but REFUSED all other forms of contact, even rubbing her pussy through her jeans. (Though later on in the night she was grinding on top of me while kissing me and she seemed to like that.) I backed off, poured some more wine, and asked her about her sexual history, since I’d never had a girl be that resistant to just like putting my hands under her shirt to hold her around the waist. Turns out she’s a virgin (she’s 20), and has NEVER orgasmed, not even through masturbation. She did say she’d gone down on a couple guys. I told her that was cool and I understood, and told a couple stories about losing my virginity/the two virgins I’ve slept with. We went back to making out, she kept resisting, I tried moving backwards and then forwards with no real results. Eventually she said she had to go. I stole her phone and sat on it while she put her jacket on. When she realized she was missing it, I told her she would have to rip my pants off if she wanted her phone back. She was kind of annoyed and kind of amused, and pulled off my jeans to discover that I was hard. She was kind of intrigued by this and I got her to start jacking me off, but I was like “NO WAY NOT AGAIN” and determined that I’d either get a blow job or jack myself off after she left. Spoiler: it was the latter.
There’s actually a FOURTH girl whose story I’ll skip because this post is already infinitely long, but short version: she came back to my place on the first date; we made out but didn’t go any further than that. All of these took place in the last two weeks.
Thoughts? I’m happy to provide any other details you think would be helpful. Love your posts!
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I did it like three weeks ago on a first date by challenging her…Do you dare to fall in love with me? She agreed
.We already made out earlier, but those in depth increasing 36 questions indeed ramped up The Thing.
I ended fucking her twice the very same day.
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Japanese man drops gigantic red pill on white knights everywhere; destroying myth of WW2 Korean “comfort women.”
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What does this video have to do with anything? It’s totally unrelated to the topic we’re discussing.
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Ah, fake emotional intimacy. That’s all Game really is.
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[…] More major Hivemind organs are beginning to accept, or at least grapple with, some core concepts of Game and how men and women interact in the flesh when they aren’t being prodded to chant equalist talking points. […]
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To break the ice, I just give ’em the old Psych Evaluation scenario about the wife, husband, lover, killer, and boatman.
Based on their answers, you can talk for quite a while… said conversation featuring her qualifying herself on why her answers supposedly didn’t REALLY mean what the test says they do…
Dismissing said denials with a knowing grin and sardonic wave of the hand ramps up the hamster like anything.
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