In the “Picking up married women” post, I commented that an indeterminate number of happily married women will go out of their way to avoid the temptation to infidelity, and will extend this courtesy to their boyfriends and husbands.
Some happily married women (read: married women still sexually aroused by their husbands) avoid the company of sexually appetitive men or of high status men capable of stimulating the sexual appetites of women. Often, this avoidance is achieved simply by not going to places where a lot of single huntsmen congregate. And, married women will try to introduce the temptation-resisting wonders of avoidance to their husbands, by preventing them from being too frequently in the company of young single ladies. Moving to the suburbs helps a lot with this avoidance program.
Commenter Euro Death Knot astutely notes the corollary to the above observation, and illustrates it from personal anecdotes as the “other man” having an affair with a cheating wife:
The converse of this principle is that a married woman traveling alone is a strong indication of potential interest.
I first learned this long ago when I was a college kid who knew nothing and was traveling on my own in Europe. I spent a night in a youth hostel in the Netherlands and approached an attractive German woman (5+ years older than I was) who was taking a vacation bike trip on her own across Holland. While I had taken only one year of German and her English was just a bit better than my German, it was easily less than 2 hours from me saying hi until I was finger fucking her and she was giving me a hand job, all of this in an open-air loft above the hostel’s dining room with some people milling below us.
It was only the next day when we met up to take the same train to Köln (her to go home and me to crash for a few days with a girl I had approached, made out with and address-closed in a park in München who was studying and living in Köln) that I paid attention to the fact that the ring she was wearing was on her ring finger and I realized that she was married. She told me that her husband traveled a lot and she felt that he had been sleeping around.
I can still see in my mind’s eye how affectionately she embraced her husband who was waiting for her at the train station (never mind that she had pulled out my cock again on the train ride). A couple of years ago I Googled her and discovered that decades later she’s still married (with the same name and close to the same address so presumably to the same man) and has three grown children.
If a wife is traveling alone without her husband, there’s often a reason.
Three lessons:
1. A wife or girlfriend who does not make pained efforts to avoid circumstances rife with illicit sexual invitation is by default a woman seeking them out.
2. The average woman is very good at hiding her infidelity from suspicion. Much better, from what I’ve seen, than the concealment the average man is capable of summoning when guilt is ripping at the soul. I conclude that men feel guilt and loyalty more palpably than do women. The exception to this rule is the accomplished cad, whose years of deception and nurtured sociopathy have honed in him a jewel thief’s skill at evading detection.
3. Even with the best intentions, a taken woman is still human, and an abundance of charming men in her social or work environment will test her limits of self-abnegation, much like a convention of 19-year-old lingerie models with daddy issues will test a devoted husband’s and father’s vows. It’s no coincidence that female infidelity rose at the same time as female participation in the workforce, and hence female exposure to alpha male movers and shakers, increased.
My suggestion: If you want a guarantee that your beloved won’t stray, get her off the cock grid. Rural Montana perhaps. Facsimiles of cock grid escape used to be simpler undertakings, but that all changed with [X], [EX], and [XXX].
The next best option? Game.

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You’ve been scooped by about 450 years. It’s called the “proximate occasion of sin.”
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09418b.htm
Good Catholic girls “firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to sin no more, and to avoid the near occasion of sin. Amen.”
That’s why every red-blooded man wants the kneesocks and the Mary Janes and to be up the tartan skirt. That’s why strippers wear plaid.
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“[X], [EX], and [XXX]”
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Hmm. Curious shorthand. Makes me wonder if it’s some kind of reference to The Four Sirens of The Sexual Apocalypse.
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He hit “publish” before he found more examples to drop in there.
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[X] meaning X chromosomes a la the feminist revolution and empowerment of female hypergamy
[EX] meaning the societal acceptance of divorce as a result and the advent of divorce theft and…drumroll please…
[XXX] meaning the widespread availability of porn and sites like ashleymadison, POF, etc and apps like tinder encouraging easy NSA sex for married women.
[CH: well done, young padawan.]
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“Rural Montana perhaps. Facsimiles of cock grid escape used to be simpler undertakings, but that all changed with [X], [EX], and [XXX].”
know guys that live in rural montana, cowboys fuck a lot of ranch girls and wives, so there is no escape
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You gotta play some dread game – not your whole game but that card has to drop once in a while. My wife’s father destroyed her family with affairs and her siblings are still fucked up 30+ years later. I’ve told her that if she fucks around, fine, she can, but she needs to know I’ll throw her out so hard and so fast that she’ll leave contrails. I also told her that I don’t fuck around but she can apply the same rule if she wants. She seems to appreciate that reassurance despite the dread game mixed in.
I’d have the sads if she went and fucked around but not that much because women do really stupid shit like that. I’d chuck her and holler “next!”. There’s more where she came from… But I’d put the dude in the hospital. I’d be upset about somebody badly hurting my kid by fucking up my family, and I don’t take well to humiliation. I don’t think much of guys who let it slide or get off on being cuckolded.
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The beauty of MW for affairs: 1) are often quite happy in general, but just want a little excitement, so they don’t give you the whole “where is this relationship (sic) going” line after the first lay, 2) are just as invested in discretion as you are, 3) are easy to identify (either by being out alone, as already discussed, or by how they dress and act), and 4) they tend to save their “adventurous” nature for you instead of hubby.
From husband side: no way to protect yourself totally from horns, and is it really, really that important in the grand scheme of things?
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Considering most states create a presumption that the husband is the father, and if you sign the birth certificate it doesn’t even matter whose kid it is biologically anymore… yes, yes it is important.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/opinion/sunday/to-a-friend-on-his-divorce.html
State of affairs for the modern man.. the ny times has gone to shit along with male prowess. I’m just approaching my early 30’s and can’t imagine being divorced at 40 like this. Glad I found CH.
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Good Lord. He’s right though… it wasn’t the lack of money, although that certainly didn’t help.
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The worst part is this “I saw it coming before she did” and you know what men always know it’s coming, from either their “gut” instinctual indicator or various other signs. All the women who I’ve had bad lingering break ups with (2) have been that way. I knew I should’ve been done with them long before shit hits the fan, but men and both women don’t want to be the “bad one”. Luckily I was young and those learning lessons helped me and I can cut things off no problem now because you either meet my criteria or you don’t.
It’s really simple. It comes down to knowing who you are as man, what you need, what you won’t put up with and how far you are (or are not) willing to compromise. It’s better to cut ties earlier than later, we all know this. We just don’t have the gumption to “walk the walk”.
Problem is when you have kids you fuck up their lives. My 10 yr old nephew is screwed because my sister left her dead beat husband. I mean what can I tell him he’s 10 and already he has a skewed relationship/knowledge/reality of what marriage is.
I’ll send him to this website when he is 15.
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Great link. I’m almost him, except financially far better off, and thanks to CH and others, not at all unhappy with my situation. Had to look the dude up, he’s a singer/songwriter who’s regularly published in the NYT and a travel/automotive writer with some success. You’d think he’s living the dream, but still a beta, I guess.
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what was the point of that article, that the dude’s a loser?
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The point of that article is that in 2015, in the United States, any married person can get a divorce for any reason, or for no reason at all. With or without the consent of their spouse. Marriage isn’t about love and happiness and romance, although all those things are nice to have. Marriage is about consolidating wealth and assets, having someone to help you when you have difficulty doing stuff by yourself, providing the best possible environment to raise non-damaged kids, and providing the building block of a stable society.
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The writer’s marriage appeared to end due to “no money, no honey”. He’s beta, as can be seen from his statement about his ex-wife: “Sometimes I’d watch her while she slept and think, “I don’t know what I would do if I had to live without you.” Some of what he tells his friend is weird, such as “You’ll see other guys around your new town, guys who have either divorced or never married, and they in turn will recognize you, noting that you have no one next to you as you shop, get your car fixed, play gigs with your band or visit coffee shops.”
No, usually when I see a guy by himself getting his car fixed I think “there’s a guy getting his car fixed.”
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> “No, usually when I see a guy by himself getting his car fixed I think “there’s a guy getting his car fixed.””
Sounds like some sort of a Cluster B thing, like a Narcissistic/Histrionic Personality Disorder [maybe a Lite version thereof, where he was Mommy’s Little Darling, who was so badly spoiled his whole life that he’s never before experienced failure, but he still thinks that the world revolves around him].
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@kuchak: The writer’s marriage didn’t end due to “no money, no honey”. Although that didn’t help. It’s this:
“He’s beta, as can be seen from his statement about his ex-wife: “Sometimes I’d watch her while she slept and think, ‘I don’t know what I would do if I had to live without you.'”
And most definitely this:
“‘Tell me what’s in your heart and soul,’ I’d say again and again.”
WE want to be the girl in the relationship. We want you to need us, but not that badly, and not as much as we need you.
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If it’s true female infidelity increased as women entered the workforce and were thus exposed to alpha charms, the argument could be made that alpha males were at least partly behind (or responsible for) early feminism.
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The opportunity to hire and manage a team of early 20-somethings, as I previously had, was a great sort of dread game. Me and the GF were bonking much more regularly.
With that experience in mind, I am inclined to think you’re 100% right.
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So these are my thoughts from a West European man living in the US who had had multiple of women from all continents (my accent and looks cause a storm in the US)
I have read this quite excellent blog and it actually saddens me but does not disappoint me what is written here based on my own experiences.
Of course I speak in general terms, one of the stories above is about a German woman so exception do of course happen. Hence no comments about ‘ but I met a French lady and she blah blah blah’
Basically in short and across the board – American women are not worth shit. They are trash pure and simple and it’s only getting worse. I have had lots of success with them and the more I seduce, the more disappointed I am with them.
Hardly any white American women in their 20s know how to cook, very very few know how to flirt seductively, most of them are defensive tired manginas.
It is quite frightening how competitive white schoolgirls in the US are taught to be particularly in sports and they take this competitive nastiness into the workplace.
In short they are very undesirable and then we have the games. Oh the games – how any man can build a communication of basic trust with an American woman is beyond me.
From the very off if you interact with an American woman (even if you have zero interest) she will think – that you think she is amazing (they always pedestalize themselves) and automatically go on the defensive.
Then if she does like you – it’s play the games of not replying to your text, ignoring your text then replying. Hot/cold – again is she worth all this? Nope.
Certainly not future mother material if she cannot be trusted or show respect to respond to a text.
Also I find them very boring. One example only last week – in a bar met a very attractive Boston girl ( I find blondes from the East coast largely very boring) and she bored me for two hours.
The following night I met an attractive Latina and it was flirtatious, fun, lots of body contact and then dancing. A very enjoyable night.
Based on my experiences if you date girls from the Catholic countries in Europe – it is fun and an adventurous.
The girls are out to meet a future husband eventually for sure – but right now they want great, fun experiences – good food, travel, dancing, laughing.
I have met so many warm blooded amazing women who are fun, laid back, love children, fantastic cooks, great sensual lovers and definitely future mother material.
Similar enjoyment with Asians (not American born) – Vietnamese particularly pleasurable, Africans and Indians.
American girls leave university and it’s – find great job (check), find man (check) and the sterile life of consumerism and acquiring wealth and stuff begins. It’s tedious.
One of the problems is you American dudes in that you out up with this shit. The cheerleading thing still amazes me how this happens.
Kids start trying out to be a cheerleader as soon as they reach puberty and are out on a pedestal form that early age. Cheerleading (or slut training) needs to be stopped.
That will end the self -entitled narcissism of American females.
In short American females like to be treated rough as it taps into their puritanical guilt (spanking) feeling associated with sex but mainly because they like being treated like trash because they are trash.
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“A wife or girlfriend who does not make pained efforts to avoid circumstances rife with illicit sexual invitation is by default a woman seeking them out.”
no doubt about that.
don’t let them fool you. if girls are doing girl’s night outs on a regular basis and they are going to bars or dance clubs instead of coffee shops, family restaurants and each others’ homes, they are doing it in hopes of getting male attention. same goes for all girl vacays that don’t include children or…you.
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I see no reason to marry or reproduce. Having kids is a crapshoot and by the 3rd generation, everything you imparted will be forgotten or twisted. The daughters of course will be cum chugging pigs and wont carry your name so who cares about them?
The only way for your legacy to last a century or more is for your family to regard you as a cult member would a cult leader. The Gracie Family comes to mind.
And with the coming conflicts with Islam..fuck it. I just want pizza, entertainment and pussy. I might get snipped. I hate condoms.
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The baby is only one of a myriad of troubles one can experience by getting Pandora’s box.
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When I was 17, I worked for this magazine as a summer job. They hired this 30-something lady to be the face of the company in its adverts. Striking for her age. HB9. No one at work dared flirt with her, because she was “married”. However, I knew she was game when I realized 1. Her husband reeked of beta and 2. She accepted every invite to hang after work at the bars. She even rallied the troops most of the time, which is a dead giveaway.
Anyway, another coworker was getting married and HB9 RSVPd with no plus one (another sign), her husband was out of town (another) and she invited us all to come over and drink at her house after the wedding (!!!).
I was 17…the office loved me and I could see she was seeing the affection everyone had for me. People sneaking me drinks, etc. It was an “honorable little brother” type love, and she took notice. She tried chiding me at her house. “Those dance moves you had on the dance floor were inappropriate…” Agreed and amplified (“yup”, “were they? i was too caught up in the rhythm to notice”). I remember she asked, “What do all these coworkers see in you anyway?” And I was buzzed enough to say, “I’d show you, but I probably wouldn’t be invited to your husband’s birthday party if I did.” Her tongue was planted firmly in her cheek. Within five minutes, we were making out and I was fingering her.
She clears everyone out of the house. I tell everyone to go on ahead, I’m going back to get my jacket. When I opened the door, she was standing there, ass naked. She walked into her room and I followed. When we got there, I stopped. Most men would’ve gone ahead, but I realized: THIS IS TOO EASY. It was low-hanging fruit. So I kissed her on the head and made my exit.
The next morning, I get a call on my phone from her. Except when I answer, it’s her husband. He tells me to meet him outside a pizzeria a mile from my house. I go and he’s standing there, pretending to be stoic.
Him: You son of a bitch…
Me: Present.
Him: You are scum…
Me: Yup.
Him: Don’t you have anything to say for yourself?
Me: Well…I didn’t fuck your wife…but the next guy will.
That one hit him like a sledge hammer. It was too true to deny. I guess they’d moved around a lot together, which is why they came to our town in the first place. My friends tell me he didn’t kick my ass because I was 17 and he’d be embarrassed to explain it all if he had to, but I disagree. He actually thanked me before taking off. “Thank you for being so honest,” was what he said. He was THAT beta. They were divorced within a year.
The next day at work, I was stocking sodas and the HB9 dropped a gift bag at my feet with a smile. Inside it were my sunglasses. I left them in his bedroom and that’s how he found out. It wasn’t even that she told him out of guilt; the guy found a pair of sunglasses in his room and had her dead to rights.
The takeaway: you grow up thinking married women are hard to snag, but in reality, they’re easier. It’s because most are lonely. Have relations with them or don’t, but if you do…don’t forget your sunglasses.
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The more I understand of human interaction, the more I recognize that the Laws of Moses were the best way to go. Taking a girl to Montana is the ultimate hanging on her. But, put the fear that society will stone her, and a woman tends to stay corralled.
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The Muslims also make women fear stoning. The Law of Moses is more nuanced, more merciful: it gives women powerful incentives to rat themselves out to daddy, and then all is forgiven. Then the men can go deal with the rogue “alpha” and bring him into line.
For a Christian analysis of the Law of Moses, “The Institutes of Biblical Law” by Rushdoony is the best. A lot of the NRx movement was prefigured and foreshadowed by Rushdoony. Without Rushdoony’s over-arching narrative and coherent core, NRx isn’t going anywhere though. NRx is “reactionary”; Rushdoony was about building a positive future with an amazing vision of life the way it was intended.
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I don’t think the threat of physical violence is necessary. I think that for most people, the threat of social ostracism is enough. If everybody were to become more conservative in their thinking and start socially ignoring people who get a no-fault divorce, it would be better.
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I think it’s pretty simple. This has nothing to do with marriage or relationships but all to do with thresholds: so long as the woman has enough comfort (whatever that means for that particular girl), she’s not going to accept other sexual opportunities. For example: girl on first date who is really impressed with guy will not be a great target to approach as she walks home with notions of romantic love in her head; wife who’s head over heals on her wedding day is not a good target; wife who’s been fighting with her husband and has lost some interest in the relationship is a good target; girl who is dating guy who sucks is a good target. etc. etc. Now take these conditions and overlap them with the sexual opportunity at hand, i.e. the value of the man presenting the opportunity. It’s all about thresholds at any particular moment.
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A question to the gents: What does one make of a HB8 in a LTR with a high-value Beta who surrounds herself with an army of beta-orbiters?
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A cock-tease.
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The best of both worlds no? she gets her provisioning with a high value guy (don’t kid yourselves, while many women will fuck alphas all day long many many more will gladly sign up for a a “high value” beta, especially as the approach wall terminal velocity. AND she gets to partake in her fantasy that ALL these other guys are not as beta as you know they are. She is wanted, she has attention = validation/tingles.
Just be glad you are not her LTR.
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She’s buying time until the hypergamous id reaches its boiling point again.
And like sentient said, she gets her cake and eats it too. Tools her LTR and has an entourage of orbiters to grovel over her.
I’d bet she’s an overly active instagram/FB/social media slore…par for the course the days however…
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@Frothy I see this all the time in my social circle. The “army of beta-orbiters” offers a kind of “safety net”—kind of like how girls like gay guys…they love the interaction and teasing but without the “fear” of having to fuck them and lose control of their emotions.
EVERY girl I fuck goes nuts…probably because they haven’t been fucked like THAT…so they start getting jealous and expecting me to chase them. When I don’t they go even more nuts.
IF I do chase or respond…they just get more difficult…it’s a Catch 22…in order to fuck them you have to get close…but in order to keep them interested you have to be distant.
The 27 year old I was banging for the last two months goes hot and cold all the time. One time she’s all responsive…suddenly she disappears. She’s supposed to meet me after my holiday….she flakes and texts “Just woke up”. I ignore her. She texts madly. We meet up, I bang her again. She wants to meet up. I tell her I’m busy. Then this exchange:
“Me: How’s my baby?
Her: What? Who is this?
Me: Batman
Her: Leave me alone. Don’t want to talk to you
Me: …
“Leave me alone?” I hadn’t talked to her for 5 days when she ignored my texts and only re-opened her after going silent.
This is the reason I now have 2-3 girls on the go at any given time. When one goes off…like an apple in a fat kid’s lunchbox….the others can fill the time.
Another anecdote. I go out to a dance club last night. My crazy ex gf is there surrounded by beta-orbiters all concerned about her shoes or whatever.
She gives me the IOI she wants to dance. I saunter over. We dance. I tease her. We dance again….I tease her more. She’s all giggly and engaged.
The song ends….I look into her eyes and say: “You dance well….”
She’s staring at me intently….I continue:
“You dance well….I’m not finished my sentence yet….”
“You dance well…pause….with me.”
She bursts out giggling, punches me as I walk away.
Point I make…girls love beta-orbiters because they provide “safety” so they can venture out into the “danger” of interacting with confident guys who they want to fuck. Fucking is scary for them….that’s the other reason “comfort” and “rapport” are vital…take the edge off while spiking that attraction…is the key to seduction.
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interesting stuff
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Terrible story.
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Thank you, gentlemen.
Your’s is exactly my impression of her, plus, she’s in a disharmonic relationship where she feels spiritually and/or sexually neglected (cuz of the betatude of her SO).
She’s BTW 34 w/o kids and strong ASD raised, he’s about 40 and a pilot and it appears she’s his sweetheart from the provincial groundhole where they hail from. He has strong mate-guarding tendencies while according to my estimate, he should be swimming in young pussy.
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> “a HB8 in a LTR with a high-value Beta who surrounds herself with an army of beta-orbiters… 34 w/o kids and strong ASD raised, he’s about 40 and a pilot and it appears she’s his sweetheart from the provincial groundhole where they hail from…”
You are describing a seriously fucked-up situation, dude – a bunch of middle aged people pretending to be teenagers in high school? Does Mr 40 not understand that Miss 34’s ovaries are about to shrivel up into raisins and that if he waits much longer then she’ll only be able to give him Down’s Syndrome babies? You are describing a pathologically infantilistic form of collective purposelessness in life.
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PLEASE tell me that they’re all Democrats.
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@Captain Obvious
You’re 100% right in your assessments – Only thing is, we’re in the EU, not US. Seeing such things I often wonder how deluded grown-ups are. She apparently harbors feminist sympathies, he appears to me to be the prototypical “nice guy” who fails to assess the true caliber of his sweety (as in poisoned honey). She’s one of several ladies at office whom I perceive as living in an “unhappy” LTR with some too-beta-for-his-own-good “nice guy” (know the book?) and are on the hunt for dominant dick. I avoid them all, especially this one, despite she unmistakeably offering her pussy on a silver plate.
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> “we’re in the EU”
Do you still have any traditionalist conservative families where you could look for young wife-material girls? Either Calvinist/Anabaptist/Evangelical protestant girls or Lefebvrite/Opus-Dei roman catholic girls? Because Beta-40 and Alpha-Witch-34 and the coterie of Beta orbiters sound like they’re busy rearranging the deck chairs on the Demographic Titanic.
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@Captain Obvious,
You observe some facts I also find very saddening. You could find a faithful wife in the quarters you mention, but probably you’d have difficulty. You could also get yourself a muslima if you insist in a faithful wife but they’re ugly, pop out village idiots and turn into fat harpies rather fast.
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Women probably are better at concealment, but ultimately, it’s not because men feel guilt and loyalty more, it’s because the consequences for failed concealment are much more severe for women.
Let’s keep the thought experiment simple and imagination traditional societies and affairs where only one partner is married:
When it’s MW/SM, the consequences could easily be two dead people in one big hurry.
When it’s MM/SW, the consequences are ‘half of me is mad as hell, but the other half is proud you’re such a stud.’
In fact, in keeping with Pinkeresque ideas in Evpsych, it may well be that just as love can be seen as the high price tag that humans usually attach to sex within long-term pairing, to encourage high investment; male feelings about guilt and loyalty, if they are greater than women’s at all, are a similar high investment phenomenon.
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There is no protecting women from opportunities in this culture. I know an extremely feminine woman who loves home-making, but still has far more time and energy than that can occupy. Her husband’s current level of mate-guarding irritates her enough; if he ever tried to get her back at home 24/7, the marriage would be over in days, and he knows it.
So she has lots of time for her retail work with commission sales. Where she inevitably gets a ton of game from men.
Montana is just an extreme metaphor here for what feminists call the gilded cage – without even the gilding in many situations – and we call mate guarding. It won’t work and wives will just hate you for it.
Game with options is the only way forward.
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What do you guys make of a girl who texts you randomly on holidays or birthday, but always delays for a strict meet? I don’t try again after suggesting, just looking for attention/orbiters?
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Women have to get attention from men other than their husband. Throwing their life away for that short burst of attention is where crazy kicks in.
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What about all the dating apps, websites and the rest, and I’m not even talking facebook here.
MANY girls I’ve spoken to have lived a sort of double-life. One young lass in her early 20s I saw on a website was doing photoshoots, getting fucked, the lot, and then on a different website I stumbled across, she was a normal sweet girl looking for her “prince” and cuddles and “long term”.
Another portrayed being all average / geeky, but later found she’d had a “daddy”.
Another, a Polish girl over in the UK was portraying herself as single, yet later revealed again that she was “seeing someone”, yet threw a wobbler when I confessed I was too heh. Apparently it’s ok for women to “see” multiple blokes, but not for guys to do the same.
Another, a baby-faced 18 year old apparently hated sex, but later revealed she’d had her brains banged out just 2 days before.
One who came to mine, before I fucked her, sucked me off (great BJ!) and had me cum on her socks, to vid and show her “master”.
And let’s not talk more about the one in her 20s who was on a swinger’s website, with fuckloads of “reviews” from MUCH older men (40s-50s) and so on.
Most girls you’ll talk to have “dated” at least with someone the very night before.
All they have to do is upload a single picture to any site (or even then just make a profile with no pics), and get THOUSANDS of messages. Seriously I saw one girl’s inbox, there were literally thousands. Nowadays with the spread of the internet, they don’t even need to go out, they can order guys to drive over them like a pizza.
With this ability to ALWAYS in touch with thousands of men, (some of them by chance are going to be hotter than you), in their young lives. What are they going to be like when married? Or have a single night alone? Like I said they don’t even need to go out..
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the average woman is as good as a sociopathic male at hiding her infidelity from suspicion. every guy I know but one feels guilty– but i interact socially with several married women i have or had ongoing affairs with, and they put on a master class in acting every time. i myself don’t feel much guilt because i made no vows. but when i’m in a relationship myself, i can’t cheat without guilt.
the exception is the girl looking for a landing pad, and you need to watch out for them. they will often betray that they’re envisioning a future with you in place of their husband– bail IMMEDIATELY. because they will create any number of ‘accidents’ to either get caught or get pregnant or both. such as leaving a receipt from an abortion clinic out at home after it was paid for with cash to avoid just such a problem. that’s real.
[CH: solid advice in your second paragraph. on your first point, it’s easy to imagine an evolutionary process that would select for women who are very skilled at deceiving their beta male mates into raising the cuckold offspring of any extrapair dalliances.]
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Very good friend of mine having an affair with a married 30year old woman with 3 kids. Husbad earns alot of money but is always away. She meets my buddy out at lunch/evenings 3/4 times a week.
You can’t trust women ever..
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I agree that “one mistake and you’re out” is the best policy. It’s smart to state early and often.
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Science Says: Hot Guys Are A-Holes http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/12/science-says-hot-guys-are-a-holes.html
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“…Psychologists at Brunel University in London measured the bodies of 125 men and women using a 3D scanner, calculating traditionally attractive traits such as slimness and waist-to-hip ratio (for the latter group). They then completed a personality test, which assessed their attitudes to selfishness and inequality, before partaking in a money-based economics experiment, designed to challenge their beliefs on having and sharing wealth…”
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VERY FIRST COMMENT AT FREE REPUBLIC: “Science confirms listen to people like behind the site Chateau Heartiste not Beta or lower losers like me. Whatever a feminist says the type of guy you should be do the opposite.” http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3257123/posts
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“Science confirms listen to people like behind the site Chateau Heartiste not Beta or lower losers like me. Whatever a feminist says the type of guy you should be do the opposite.” http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3257123/posts
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Lawgic Sez: Beastly Feminists tried redefining A-Hole against their idealized sissy archetype, but their warm gunts tingled contrariwise, rejecting their brain’s clumsy attempt to replace reality with ideology.
So now we all have to pretend women are attracted to small, petty, and self-involved men to preserve feminism’s preposterous artifice, rather than laughing their ideology off the planet and allowing the common understanding of words to prevail.
How convoluted correctness becomes when we call evil good and good evil! Laziness would be an understandable reason to let this development pass. But to preserve feminism’s stupid understanding of masculinity? Madness.
Manliness is not comparable to the anus. Being forceful, decisive, dismissive, and direct is being a “jerk” only to those who are determined to resent strength itself, and their own lack of it.
Understand what they are trying to accomplish here. If you recognize the inescapable fact of “inequality” in nature, you are a “D-Bag.” If you believe in the primacy of the individual, which is the foundation of all liberty, you are an asshole.
I would post the authoress’ inkblot of a photo to demonstrate what kind of people think this way, but by now you should be able to conjure it up yourself. I don’t get the push — even the unconscious one — to ally ourselves with these resentful losers who have fucked up western culture for an entire century and counting.
Matt
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Alpha is simply a state of mind. You will know if a man is Alpha by the reaction he has when his women leaves him. All men feel pain but the Alpha knows he needs to repress the emotions and not chase her. The beta breaks down and starts running barefoot in the rain.
The pinnacle of Alpha imo is a no gamer who you can take at face value and won’t tolerate shit. A women starts messing with him and she is gone.
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@Putin Yes…this is the hardest part. A girl I was gaming and banging last January started going cool….I didn’t respond. For 6 months I would get occasional texts from her or I would text her. She kept saying: “You’re so in control all the time.” In some cases yes, in some cases I’m also trying to keep my shit together and it takes discipline.
The girls I’m now banging I keep in a rotation to avoid the oneitis I had. When I’m in better control of my own emotions, girls are much more responsive to game…mostly because they can sense the aloofness.
Beta-orbiters give too much attention which is “nice” but doesn’t offer any challenge for improvement.
Many of the girls I’ve gone out with always dressed hot, wore heels, make up for me. When we broke up…they went back to their old frumpy easy-going ways.
Girls like the feeling of working for something or someone…it’s in their nature to do so. Game is the key to unlocking that desire to submit.
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“Many of the girls I’ve gone out with always dressed hot, wore heels, make up for me. When we broke up…they went back to their old frumpy easy-going ways.
Girls like the feeling of working for something or someone…it’s in their nature to do so. Game is the key to unlocking that desire to submit.”
this is an important point. a lot of girls get lazy and do the frumpy thing while they are with a guy. they try to say it’s just that they have gotten comfortable and feel accepted and loved by their men. but comfort like that is really just a sign that she’s not concerned with pleasing you anymore. she’s not afraid to lose you and she doesn’t care about your needs or desires.
you don’t want a girl so insecure that she’s freaked out with fear of losing you every day. that’s a nightmare so you have to give them some comfort. but when a girl stops making an effort to look good for you, she is in the power position. she’s either trying to discourage you from making sexual advances because you turn her off or she just doesn’t respect you or see you as a high value man who she needs to work to please. that’s a bad situation either way.
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” a lot of girls get lazy and do the frumpy thing while they are with a guy. they try to say it’s just that they have gotten comfortable and feel accepted and loved by their men. but comfort like that is really just a sign that she’s not concerned with pleasing you anymore. she’s not afraid to lose you and she doesn’t care about your needs or desires.”
Nice.
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COTW, blart… well-done.
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“when a girl stops making an effort to look good for you, she is in the power position.”
true that
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If I had texting back in the day it would have been glorious. I tell you single guys. Send a text to as many women acquaintances as you can saying “lets go out this Saturday for coffee/drinks. Most will have excuses and some may not even text back. This is the seed you plant. What grows the seed is your non response to their excuses, etc. In other words when they say well I have to do this or that DO NOT reply back and say something stupid like “maybe another time”. Just respond with silence. That seed will grow and eventually when they see you and your “nothing ever happened” act it will fester inside of them. Within months they will start flirting with you.
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Some of my very best game is when I did not respond. Humans love to push buttons so as to get a response. The non response is probably the most underrated and deadly game.
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yeah, but you have to be careful with this one. ignoring a girl for too long, too often without good reasons will cause her to shut down and detach from you.
when i say without a good reason i mean when you ignore her even if she’s behaving the way you want her too. being compliant and fun, not texting too much, etc.
i’ve really blown it with the aloofness and ghosting. girl was being cool and not causing problems. i ignored her anyway. got so she would stir up trouble just to get my attention and all of our interactions ended up stressful and tense. should have just played along and enjoyed it when she was being fun but i was too worried about getting invested in her. didn’t want her to get too attached, etc.
so my take on it is this. give positive reinforcement for the behavior you want. ie: attention when she’s being good, fun and stress-free. ignore her when she’s not. do it the other way around (giving attention only when she’s shit-testing) and you’ll be teaching her that good behavior doesn’t pay and bad behavior does.
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Yes. You need to train them like a dog. Pity your dad’s didn’t tell you this isn’t it? But that’s the reality. Reward positive behavior and punish negative nehavior. Training. Just realize she will enjoy being punished for the negative behavior. That’s the mindfuck.
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Putin,
Was there any fallout from Operation Dread game from a few days/posts ago?
Also, I have a feminist coworker who constantly complains about the lack of a sex life due to young kids and a tired husband and during the most recent incident of this I said in a louder voice than I intended that It “was not and never will be my problem, good day to you madam!” and walked off.
So now I have an even more chatty feminist coworker who has invited me to her husband’s upcoming birthday party with promises that it will be a lot of fun.
Here’s my second question, Mr. Putin: would it be worth my time to try to befriend a whipped, beta husband and introduce the red pill or are some beta males beyond recovery?
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“Mr. Putin: would it be worth my time to try to befriend a whipped, beta husband and introduce the red pill or are some beta males beyond recovery?”-
Never hurts to try but many if not most are beyond help. If he married a feminist then do not count on a hope.
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Putin,
Was there any fallout from Operation Dread from a few days/posts ago?
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“Was there any fallout from Operation Dread from a few days/posts ago?”
Frank- Good question. There was no fallout whatsoever. I just played it smooth. I do agree with some of blart’s comments though. Anything can be taken too far and if there is no need to use game then it probably should be kept in reserve.
**I did have an interesting text game going yesterday with a legal assistant from the place that was taking care of a speeding ticket. Some epic stuff. Probably pushing the envelope a little too much lately.
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Brute-force enlightenment: Cycle thru the process enough times to learn the comings and the goings. Be willing to learn things you did not start off wanting to know.
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“A wife or girlfriend who does not make pained efforts to avoid circumstances rife with illicit sexual invitation is by default a woman seeking them out.”
This reminded me of the boyfriend of a girl in my extended family, who recently went overseas on business. She subsequently decided to fly down to Miami with some girlfriends. No reason, I asked when the story was being related to me. Not that a “reason” would be helpful, but just damn… A gaggle of hot chicks, hundreds of miles away from their LTR’s and out on the town in fucking Miami. Do women worry they might nuke long term relationships over this kind of thing? Do they assume their BF’s are largely oblivious, or too afraid and will simply male-hamster the whole thing away? Or do they care at all?
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No, yes and no. Science calls it “situational disinhibition.”
See Sexual risk behavior and history of sexually transmitted diseases in relation to casual travel sex during different types of journeys (1996), http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/00016349609033360:
Objectives. The study investigated if women with experience of casual travel sex, with a previously unknown man abroad, on different types of journeys (charter, vagabond, business and education trips), differ with regard to sexual risk behavior and history of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs).
Study design. The study population consisted of 996 women. Of these, 27.7% admitted that they had had casual sex during journeys. The remaining women were used as a comparison group. History of STDs and sexual risk behaviors were investigated.
Results. The frequency of women who had more than ten lifetime sexual partners were greatly increased in all groups, as compared to the controls. A history of gonorrhea was most frequent among the charter travellers. A history of genital chlamydial infection was most common among the vagabond travellers. The lowest frequencies of a history of STDs was observed in women engaging in casual sex on “business’ journeys and they had significantly less often a history of STDs as compared to the charter travellers. A high frequency of STDs were seen in women who had experience of casual sex on different types of journeys.
Conclusion. Women on business trips, although they had a similar sexual risk behaviour as the other groups of travellers, had less often a history of STDs.
See Sexually Transmitted Diseases in Travelers (2001), http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/32/7/1063.full:
5%–50% of short-term travelers engage in casual sex while abroad, and this rate is even higher among long-term travelers.
See Travel and Sexually Transmitted Infections (2006), http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1708-8305.2006.00061.x/full:
The sexual attitudes and behaviors of developed world travelers have been extensively studied in the past 10 to 15 years5,58,59,74–83 and have been recently reviewed.84 Rates of reported casual sexual experiences (CSE) during travel vary between 5 and 51% (summarized in tabular form by Matteelli and Carosi81). Virtually all these studies have been conducted using questionnaires, and no study achieved a 100% response rate (some as low as 30%85). As a result, the reported figures, high as they may appear, are likely to be underestimates. In an “intention-to-have-sex” study of young Australian males traveling to Thailand, only 34% reported a definite intention not to have sex.76 As many as 47.5% of unmarried UK residents on vacation in Spain reported a CSE during a 2-week holiday.83 The rate of new partner acquisition during this 2-week period was roughly 12-fold higher than rates observed in the UK. A study of medical students reported that 32% had CSE while on holiday with a mean of three new partners.86
Although early studies demonstrated that men were far more likely than women to have CSE while traveling,85 more recent studies suggest that male and female travelers are quite similar in their willingness to acquire new partners while abroad.80,82,86–90 However, both quantitative and qualitative behavioral differences persist between the sexes (eg, number of partners, willingness to pay for sex, consistent condom use, and partner choice).83 For example, young women tend to choose fellow travelers or expatriates as new sexual partners, while older female travelers and men of all ages tend to seek out local partners.91,92 While logical to some extent, the young women’s strategy may not fully mitigate the risk since STI prevalence rates in expatriate communities are likely to be intermediate between those of the home and the local indigenous populations.93,94 As a second example of differences between the sexes, men tend to seek out “unencumbered” sex with CSW during travel while women are more likely to become romantically involved and assist their sex partners to emigrate.95
Factors that increase the chances that a given individual will engage in sex while traveling include youth, male sex, traveling alone or with a same-sex group, a history of casual sex or multiple partners at home, repeated visits to the same region, previous STIs, and higher social status.91,96,97 As with other high-risk behaviors, there is also considerable evidence that alcohol and drugs contribute to CSE in both men and women.12,83,87,91,97–102 Even without actually ingesting intoxicants, travel itself seems to be sufficiently intoxicating to encourage CSE in many people. This syndrome of sun, stimulants, and sex has been described as “situational disinhibition.”103,104
See Foreign travel, casual sex, and sexually transmitted infections: systematic review and meta-analysis (2010), http://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(10)02355-6/fulltext:
The pooled prevalence of travel-associated casual sex was 20.4% (95% confidence interval (CI) 14.8–26.7%), with 49.4% (95% CI 38.4–60.5%) of these having unprotected intercourse. . . .
All the studies together represent a sample of 33 966 participants who had traveled. . . .
One study was based on a female-only sample,9 while another conducted stratified analyses by gender.44 Another 12 studies provided enough information to calculate a pooled rate of casual travel sex.3, 8, 23, 24, 25, 26, 28, 30, 34, 37, 41, 43 Only four of these studies provided sufficient information to allow the calculation of a pooled rate of unprotected intercourse.3, 8, 23, 24
The pooled rate of casual travel sex in women from these studies was 19.5% (95% CI 12.4–27.8%; I2 98.9%), while that of men was 24.8% (95% CI 18.3–31.9%; I2 98.6%) (Figure 2). The rate of unprotected intercourse among those women who had casual travel sex was 62.1% (95% CI 52.9–70.9%; I2 35.8%), while that in men was 62.3% (95% CI 40.6–81.7%; I2 95.5%) (Figure 2).
Two studies agree that women who have casual travel sex are more likely to be single and living alone.9, 44 The study by Arvidson et al., conducted in a sample of only Swedish women attending a clinic for contraceptive advice, also suggested that they are usually of higher education and are more likely to use alcohol, smoke, and use cannabis.9 Mercer et al. found a greater risk in residents from Greater London and those who have had same-sex partners.44
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dayyyyum
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Fucking nice answer man ty.
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This married woman i know who is close to my family is giving me prolonged eye contact. She frequently observes me and has scanned me down on multiple occasions. I swear i saw her look at my crotch too on one ocassion. She travels alone due to work but she is playing this i go to church and im a christian woman bullshit. She is very close to crossing tje line with me as well. Idk but to me it seems that shes looking for something or atleast thats what my instincts tell me. I just wanna smash i dont want to feed her ego since she is so hot. Anyway she is coming over on monday to our families house to help me on this job application so ill keep using my double entendrees with a smirk hahaha
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There are no Christian women. This is not a different species. They are all just women. At least Christian’s can be forgiven.
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No offense to your extended family, but this chick is not wife material. Travelling to exotic locales with the sorority sisters is something which needs to be outgrown no later than about junior year in college. After the bachelor’s degree has been awarded, continuing to behave like this just reeks of Sex-and-the-City femcunt Cluster B witchery.
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This. Also, the boyfriend of the girl in your extended family is a cuckold in the making if he’s OK with his GF going to miami to sample Latin cock. Give him a link to Heartiste.
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No offense taken. Ironically they are longtime residents of New York City, and about to hit 30 with their respective heels dug in with boyfriends approaching do or die time (from the female perspective). Yet they continue to play with fire, and behave as you so succinctly described it as Sex-and-the-City femcunt cluster B witchery.
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” they are longtime residents of New York City, and about to hit 30 with their respective heels dug in with boyfriends approaching do or die time (from the female perspective). Yet they continue to play with fire, and behave as you so succinctly described it as Sex-and-the-City femcunt cluster B witchery.”
When girls go on these trips in peer groups as defined, it is NOT easy to separate from the group and “get laid by some Latin guy”. This doesn’t happen. Come on. The study said that it was single girls, cannabis smokers, etc. that shack up with local guys. Girls gossip and if one broke off from the group to screw some guy, it would be a scandal and would get talked about, and not in a good way.
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[…] The View From The Other Man | Chateau Heartiste […]
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“1. A wife or girlfriend who does not make pained efforts to avoid circumstances rife with illicit sexual invitation is by default a woman seeking them out.”
Living deep in SWPL land I can tell you the closer to 40 (and beyond) married ‘stay at home’ moms get the more ambiguous situations they put themselves in.
For example – How would you classify a married woman signing up at a spa for a ‘full-body body scrub’ …. but requesting a male masseuse?
And following it with a vichy shower lol
I’d call this – she’s on the borderline of jumping free fall into her “Eat Pray Love” phase.
At the very least she is sex-starved at home, and is looking for some kind of – any kind of — male attention
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Sex-starved? She has a husband right there.
Oh, wait, she’s a prude only with him.
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There is an old saying that men have an affair without thinking and then feel guilty. Women feel guilty first and then have an affair and never look back.
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The chicks I talk to about this shit all seem to offer up some variation of, “But what if he/she’s trapped in a loveless marriage?” As an example, the femcunts never gave Mark Sanford in South Carolina much grief about “hiking the Appalachian Trail” because there was uniform agreement that he had genuine feelings for his mistress [despite the fact that his wife was absolutely devastated when she was abandoned by him].
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If it’s true female infidelity increased as women entered the workforce and were thus exposed to alpha charms, the argument could be made that alpha males were at least partly behind (or responsible for) early feminism.
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check this beta vs alpha date answers dichotomy
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“I’m a ninja” was the most alpha answer. He sold it too. Too bad the date was fake or he would’ve gotten somewhere.
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I’m a Ninja? Gay.
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There may be way more in that vid than even we know. The contrast between the guys’ convo and their gut reactions in the lot are what interest me.
Interesting that all 3 nigs had confident convo, but 2 were terrified in the lot. The one nig that seemed to enjoy the ride probably had the best presence in the lot of the whole bunch though. Also, these were not random nigs, they were all more civilized than is typical, especially the two that were terrrifed.
The mestizo has macho that might be too simple for a white girl in his convo, but his talk and his gut were concordant – he was good in the lot.
I agree for laconic, the ninja guy had the most alpha presence, but he delivered like a metro, and his reaction in the car was downright homo. The musician was just plain lame all around. Perhaps the most interesting was the most talkative guy, so beta she just couldn’t hide her disdain for him even though he did rock climbing and other adventurous stuff – he couldn’t present that to her with any alpha and the way she said “cool” was so bored. Yet he reacted well in the lot.
There was another white guy they didn’t show much who had the same concordance as the mestizo.
Overall, I’d say moments of fear versus excitement OUGHT to reveal to women what a man’s really made of, especially a woman who can race cars, but they don’t – the guy with cool convo who’s terrified in a crisis is still far more likely to bang her than the guy whose talk is boring but he won’t panic.
Women are verbal creatures. Even the stunt drivers.
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See, this is the kind of bullshit I’m talking about…
Staged videos: dweeb white guys, and the blonde Aesthetic Prop coupled with cuck fetish ooking and eeking.
Cathedral propaganda posing as amusement.
Who the FUCK is running these ad agencies that are, from top to bottom and back to front, ALL in on grrrl power, cuck fetish, YT’s a dweeb agitprop?
So much for the Steve McQueen iconic identification with Mustang. :duckface:
Meh… next.
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agreed. advertising is alot of anti-white YKW.
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Re: That David Carr tweet you linked…
Carr had severe neck problems the last twenty years of his life. I think he had a massive growth that was operated upon.
He actually used to be a huge guy, but … cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Read his memoir. It’s totally red pill.
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Game won’t prevent your wife or girlfriend from cheating. it’s only a buffer for an indefinite period of time. That’s the thing – game works but women are hormonally driven to find a new man. it’s called the 7 year itch but researchers actually found it was more like 4 years before her hindbrain is telling her to find a new man.
If you can maintain your high status and continue gaming your woman until she pumps out a few kids, it will further buffer her from cheating.
I think the key is to build up as many buffers as you can.
rural Montana won’t help – I had a girlfriend from Montana – there’s a lot of Meth in that state, and that means meth dealers. Girls who don’t even do drugs are heavily attracted to drug dealers – anyone who has dabbled in dealing knows you get propositioned by women who don’t even do the drug youre slanging.
one final thing of note – what’s with this cuckold culture becoming so prevalent in the public consciousness in recent years? It’s not just in the manosphere, more and more people everywhere are interested in taking another mans girl than finding a single girl.
CH has certainly given great advice before on gaming taken women, but these two recent posts have taken a far darker tone to it……
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Re: 7 year itch.
Oxytocin (causes pair bonding) lasts about 5 years so that parents stay together long enough for offspring’s immune system to develop.
Years 6 and 7, the relationship is like one of those walking zombie banks. It’s dead but hasn’t actually collapsed yet.
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Re: prevalence of cuckolding rather than finding a single girl
With more andore hypergamy, all the single girls are focused on getting those dudes at the extremes of AF and BB and ignoring the mass of average guys in the middle. Some of the average guys respond by trying to become more alpha or more beta depending on their individual personalities. The guys who try to be more beta are pathetic so just forget about them. focus on the average frustrated chumps who start to cultivate some mild dark triad characteristics and gain basic awareness of game and red pill thinking. It may take months or years for them to get ripped in the gym and it may take decades for major career improvements. Most of these guys will realistically never become 1%er alpha fucks rockstars having nightly orgies with bikini models. But they can learn to start spitting some powerful game in a very short period of time.
Now think of all the females in a LTR with a lame beta bucks guy. She doesn’t want to get off the BB money train, but she’s bored, she wants excitement, and she decides to get some AF dick on the side. She knows she cant compete with all the tight young hotties fighting over the sperm of some male underwear model AF 1%er. She also doesnt need a rich as fuck sidedick because boring old BB already pays the bills and it would be dangerous to her BB LTR do too much expensive public socializing.
It’s only matter of time before she comes across one of the baby alphas- a relatively normal guy who still looks better than her BB, is ambitious about his career, and (most importantly) instantly gives her gina tingles cause his game is so tight. Everybody’s happy except the cuckolded BB chump, but who cares about that guy. Its his own fault for being lame and boring as fuck.
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Yes there is a great great deal of this out there. Easiest game is on women in ltrs . ltrs are toxic to alpha. You fuck her twice a day for 10 days and then she asks you to go downstairs and get her a drink of water and she says please. What do you do? Do you see the slippery slope fellas?
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“Rural Montana”… I have told my current girlfriend this for the past 6 months…she must move with me to Montana (or one of the Dakotas) if she wants to marry me. I want to move there because I love the outdoors and I was hoping it would be more off the grid with less social influence on a marriage.
Any suggested locations that are within the united states?
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I would consider key survival needs like sources of clean water, amount of sunshine, soil fertility, abundance of game and edible flora, and average climate. It is far easier to survive in a warm climate than in a cold one.
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I would really like for someone to do a post on this kind of living. I live in Texas and want to raise a family on a good sized farm and ranch someday. Any red pillers doing this now? I’d love some advice. In the meantime Im gonna keep spinning plates and having a ball in the big city. Love the site, thanks y’all!
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What will keep your LTR in line is lots of work and kids. Do not let her work outside your home. Hold her accountable for things around the house. Yeah she may bitch and complain. So what? If she is busy you have an edge
But you need to do your part as well . handle your shit. Don’t be a pussy. Run a bit of dread. Lead your home. No letting off guys. You will never get a break.
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Lol lol lol
At get her off the cock grid
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“The average woman is very good at hiding her infidelity from suspicion.”
Agreed. Flip side is that if you are engaged in an affair, and she is rather easily discovered, she wants to change horses. And she is going to ask you “where is this going?” shortly, hoping you’ll sign up to be her new drafthorse.
When a woman wants to get married, she’ll “forget” to take her birth control. When she wants to get divorced and remarried, she’ll “forget” to reset her passwords, turn off her phone, and agree to assignations at times of that day and week that arouse suspicion.
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Bueana. No names. That is all.
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Bring back Victorianism.
The whole system was designed to simultaneously trick every woman into believing her husband was the one and only “alpha” man in the world.
When a woman went out into the world all the men she encountered, no matter how high their actual status, acted “beta” – holding doors open, pulling out chairs for her, holding umbrellas, rising when she entered the room, taking off their hats, praising her non-existent virtues, avoiding teasing / flirtation as if they were eunuchs etc.
When she got home, however, her husband, without the slightest embarrassment or apology, mounted her like it was his God-given RIGHT to do so.
Essentially, the monogamous elite men of the West acted as “wingmen” for the ordinary men of their society. In return, they received fanatical loyalty. This is the bedrock of our civilization, and the formative experience of our race.
This is why Europe, unlike China, India, or the Middle East, was able to defend itself against nomad invasions and multicultural empires. Unlike the oriental despotisms, with their hordes of broken-spirited “incel” slaves on the one hand and effete sybaritic elites on the other, the sexually satisfied free men of the West were highly motivated to defend their society. This is why tiny Athens was able to field an army large enough to fight the Persian Empire, Rome could raise new armies to replace their losses at the hands of Hannibal, and Arminius could assemble enough barbarians to keep northwest Germany free from a Roman Empire sinking into multi-cultural decadence.
This is why White women are, by far, the world’s most beautiful women. Monogamy + war = female beauty. War means fewer men than women, which in a monogamous society means some women, the least attractive ones, will be unable to find a mate. In every generation, the ugliest women died childless, slowly making our race more beautiful.
There may have been a feed-back loop involved in successfully defended frontier areas like the Ukraine: the more beautiful the White women became, the more motivated the nomads were to invade, the more wars needed to be fought to defend against the nomads, the fewer White men survived to marriage, the more beautiful the next generation of White women became.
In the Middle East, on the other hand, peace (farmlands and cities automatically surrendered to the strongest empire or nomad horde) + polygamy (even Solomon, the ruler of a small kingdom, had 1000 wives and concubines) = homely women. Even camel-faced hags could find a man desperate enough to beget children with.
An argument could be made that this is also why Europe had relatively low rates of cousin marriage, and hence relatively low ethnocentrism. In the sexual marketplace of Europe, those men who survived battle had options outside their extended family. In the sexual marketplace of the Middle East, where every Solomon had a harem, non-elite men had two options: keep it in your pants, or “run some game” at the family reunion.
This could also explain why Middle Eastern men tend to have more “game” than White men – their ancestors needed it more; to keep the harem in line, or to scrounge for scraps in an unfavorable sexual marketplace, or to successfully manipulate the Sultan who conquered their undefended country.
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Very interesting. Very interesting.
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Who is willing to fight to protect America? Incels cucking themselves with Black/Muslim Lives Matter signs? Stalwart betas who have been through the divorce rape grinder? Womyns Rights advocates? White pajamaboys who hate their gender almost as much as their race? The red piller who sees America as hypergamy-whore ground zero?
If an army were so inclined, America is ripe for an invasion. I suppose our only saving grace is our ungodly military budget which can afford enough ammo and jets to fight back the barbarians at the gates, but as far as the will of the people and the spiritual and cultural health of our nation, we’re already conquered.
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America was nearly impossible to conquer through jets and ammo, so they conquered it through other means.
America’s peace became its undoing.
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“An argument could be made that this is also why Europe had relatively low rates of cousin marriage and hence relatively low ethnocentrism.”
European societies were high-trust societies, so you weren’t worried about marrying outside your immediate clan.
But outside that high-trust zone ? “Play the white man” was once a common Brit saying, meaning “do the decent, correct thing – play by the (mostly unspoken) rules”. The relatively low ethnocentrism of today’s Brit is the result of sixty years of hard propaganda, plus major harassment of any white Brit person or group standing up for their interests as white Brits.
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boy you sure can spin a yarn. You can make history look so clear cut, so certain, so entertaining. Once upon a time, there was good and there was bad and they ………….
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Women probably are better at concealment, but ultimately in Evpsych terms, it’s not that men feel guilt and loyalty more, it’s because the consequences for failed concealment are historically much more severe for women.
Let’s keep the thought experiment simple and imagine affairs with only one partner being married, in traditional societies:
When it’s MW/SM, the consequences could easily be two dead people in one big hurry.
When it’s MM/SW, the consequences are ‘half of me is mad as hell, but the other half is proud you’re such a stud.’
[CH: you make a good point, however i would argue that men evolved stronger loyalty urges than women because men were the hunters and builders and protectors of tribes. disloyalty in times of crisis could mean the extinction of the tribe. i suppose there are two loyalties in play: loyalty to mate and loyalty to extended kin and friends.]
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“an attractive German woman (5+ years older than I was) who was taking a vacation bike trip on her own across Holland.”
I wonder how many women would do that these days thanks to the diversity so many of them claim to support.
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I think fewer now than then. They would cheat with different scenarios. I’m guessing the story happened in the 80s when the mother nature worship was a bigger fad.
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“an indeterminate number of happily married women will go out of their way to avoid the temptation to infidelity, ”
And this applies to no more “Girls’ Night Out” once she’s in a LTR she’s serious about? (well, as serious as a woman could be)
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Absolutely. Any gno not merely going over a woman’s house is trouble in the making. Once or twice a year max… Usually with very extenuating circumstances.
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exactly.
as i said in an earlier post. meeting with friends for coffee or lunch during the day or going to each others’ houses for drinks once in awhile is fine but if a girl insists that her time with friends needs to be going out on the town with the girls to bars, dance clubs, etc. she’s looking for trouble.
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i’ll also add going out for drinks with the guys from work to the trouble list. she can say that it’s networking and her co-workers won’t respect her if she doesn’t participate but we all know that the opposite of that is true. men don’t respect female co-workers who party with them. we just think of them as easier prospects.
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Off topic, has anyone seen 50 Shades of Grey? I went to see this movie on opening night with my gf. Two thoughts…
1.) The theater had groups of women of all ages cheering and yelling at the screen including when the main character says that he doesn’t make love and instead “fucks hard.” My gf wanted to know what I thought of the movie, I told her that I found it “enlightening” (not really since I’ve been a regular reader of this blog for many years now). But maybe this movie could be enlightening for many blue pill men. I told my girlfriend that I find it hard to believe that men would provide for, toil hard at work for, and fight for women so they can get all excited at the movie screen when the rich billionaire playboy says he likes to “fuck hard” (maybe I’m no better since I came to the theater with my gf– I knew she would go to see the movie, and I figured it was better if it was with me and not her friends). Let it all burn.
2.) What does the girl fall for in the movie? A rich successful attractive billionaire playboy.
What does the guy fall for in the movie? A cute thin 22 year old virgin who he demands doesn’t smoke/drink/do drugs. I think the women in the audience overlooked that second part.
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The girl I’m currently seeing isn’t interested in going though I have no doubt some of her friends will pressure her into it.
the thing with this movie is that earlier it was describe as “Mommy Porn” – it was describe this way due to the demographic that primarily purchased the book, but there’s another truth that gets overlooked:
Most young women have already tried this type of hyper-aggressive style of sex. The sexual tropes in this book isn’t much new to 18-25 year old chicks.
Not a single one of my buddies are going to this movie with a beau. but all their girls are characteristically not interested in this garbage either – they’d rather just have real sex.
I don’t think the movie is enlightening to betas as betas generally aren’t capable of giving that sort of dicking out in the first place…. Nor are “their” women interested in having that sex with them.
do you think the jeering occurred at just your theater? Was the attendance predominately female?
I think the movie is overhyped because most girls get fucked this way nowadays regardless. It’s really the 33-50 year old female demographic that finds this anything “new”
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The showing was predominately female (with varied age groups, even saw a really elderly couple slowly shuffle their way in). But you do have a point, the audience was by no means skewed to younger girls (as you would see with Hunger Games, etc). The “fuck hard’ part wasn’t the only part either, the audience cheered and made outbursts at many scenes/lines throughout the movie.
Now that I think about it, you are right that most young girls are used to this type of sex in their lives.
Actually (although I’m by no means some alpha), when we first started dating, my girlfriend said our sex reminded her of the book (to get in the mood for sex I just think of something that makes me angry and I take it out on her- slapping, choking, etc).
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FYI beau is the French masculine form for beauty and means handsome or in your usage above, boyfriend. I thought you were gay or a woman reading your post until I re-read it.
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“2.) What does the girl fall for in the movie? A rich successful attractive billionaire playboy.
What does the guy fall for in the movie? A cute thin 22 year old virgin who he demands doesn’t smoke/drink/do drugs. I think the women in the audience overlooked that second part.”
yeah, but that really isn’t the story. dakota johnson is not that cute and she looks way older than her actual age of 25.
i think that was very deliberate. girl lacking in personality, with a plain face that looks older than it’s age, bangs, frumpy appearance, etc. she gets the handsome sexy millionaire? i don’t think so.
picking this particular actress was all for the benefit of the average girl and the older women who read the books. if she were too young and attractive women wouldn’t want to see it. this story is a fantasy for women, not for men.
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Another excellent point… girl is somewhat cute but nothing special… chicks eat it up, and the tradition is honored from the likes of the Julia Roberts’s to the Sandra Bullocks’… although the latter gets most of her gigs by being her own producer.
These are the (ahem) actresses that appeal to women.
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Here are rock songs with good life-advice. This is in the long literary tradition that includes Polonius’s talk with Laertes in “Hamlet” and Rudyard Kipling’s “If.”
Lynyrd Skynyrd – “Simple Man”
Jason Isbell (with Drive-by Truckers) – “Outfit”
Rod Steward – “Forever Young”
Cat Stevens – “Father and Son”
LeeAnn Womack – “I Hope you Dance”
Do check out that Isbell song; he’s a relative unknown but really good.
Other songs?
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Extra praise to Isbell for his f.u. to John Lennon in that song.
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Another Isbell song to check out, and this is after he left the Truckers, is “Traveling Alone.” The lyrics will make sense to anyone who had rough patches in his youth.
There is also in that song a (in my opinion, it’s not explicit) a bit of a nod to Simon and Garfunkel’s “The Boxer”, where Isbell mentions his encounter with working girls.
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Encounters with working girls just aren’t that deep unless you over think the Situation.
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‘Heard it in a Love Song’ – The Marshall Tucker Band
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Rod Stewart – every picture tells a story. Must listen for 18 year olds
Doors – Gloria. Game in 4 sentences.
Rolling stones – under my thumb. Lrt management.
Baby it’s cold outside – various artists. Totally red pill.
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Peter Tosh – Brand New Second Hand
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Rod Stewart and the Faces: Stay With Me:
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“I was telling you guys this stuff in 1968″…
Hey what’s your name?
How old are you?
Where’d you go to school?
Aha, yeah
Aha, yeah
Ah, ah yeah, ah yeah
Oh haa, mmm
Well, now that we know each other a little bit better,
Why don’t you come over here
Make me feel all right!
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[…] In the “Picking up married women” post, I commented that an indeterminate number of happily married women will go out of their way to avoid the temptation to infidelity, and will extend this courtesy to their boyfriends and husbands. […]
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“My suggestion: If you want a guarantee that your beloved won’t stray, get her off the cock grid.”
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This is something I’ve always said. If your wife or gf travels without you, dump her. End of story. Getting dick is the unstated goal of all female travelling. Don’t talk it over, don’t ask what happened, don’t even tell her why. Just go. Even if she didn’t cheat, she was certainly trying to.
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Instant toast.
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