Commenter blart observes that a girlfriend who has lost interest in keeping up her appearance is probably a girlfriend who has lost interest in her boyfriend:
Many of the girls I’ve gone out with always dressed hot, wore heels, make up for me. When we broke up…they went back to their old frumpy easy-going ways.
Girls like the feeling of working for something or someone…it’s in their nature to do so. Game is the key to unlocking that desire to submit.
this is an important point. a lot of girls get lazy and do the frumpy thing while they are with a guy. they try to say it’s just that they have gotten comfortable and feel accepted and loved by their men. but comfort like that is really just a sign that she’s not concerned with pleasing you anymore. she’s not afraid to lose you and she doesn’t care about your needs or desires.
you don’t want a girl so insecure that she’s freaked out with fear of losing you every day. that’s a nightmare so you have to give them some comfort. but when a girl stops making an effort to look good for you, she is in the power position. she’s either trying to discourage you from making sexual advances because you turn her off or she just doesn’t respect you or see you as a high value man who she needs to work to please. that’s a bad situation either way.
Comfort + Anxiety. Comanxiety. Cuminsideofme? YES.
The art of seduction is about bringing balance to the force. Too much anxiety will corrode a relationship just as assuredly as too much comfort, although the precipitating chemical reactions are different. (CH suggestion: If you must choose between cultivating anxiety or comfort, choose anxiety. The sex will be hotter, at least for the short, dramatic time you have left together. Plus, it’s easier to pull a girlfriend back from the anxiety brink than it is to push her out of a slippers-and-sweatpants sexless comfort bubble.)
Stay alert to those relationship red flags which indicate a woman’s fading love and peripatetic lust. Yes, women want to achieve maximum gravitational comfort within relationships, but women are also strangely their own worst enemies in their quest for eternal love and happiness. Women will work instinctively and incessantly toward neutering and domesticating boyfriends and enlarging their LTR comfort zone until, perplexed and full of resentment, they have lost all desire for their men. It’s up to men to guide women away from the equivalent of lesbian bed death, and they do this by taking the lead in and out of the bedroom, wielding psychological tools that would make Alinsky blush.
Love is a protracted psy ops campaign with generous benefits.
I should point out the exception to Blart’s Rule about the threatening portent of girlfriends abandoning self-beautification efforts. Be equally wary when your woman has a sudden and inexplicable surge of interest in dolling herself up. She might be signaling a desire to reintroduce herself to the wilds of the dating market.
I know this sounds like contradictory advice, but there are critical distinctions. Lust-curdling comfort zone laziness is a pattern that emerges slowly in a woman. You have time to recognize it and take actions to thwart its progression. Lust-activating makeovers that aren’t a direct response to your seductive wiles are severe relationship weather bulletins. This is usually a rapid change that will appear in a woman without much forewarning, sometimes overnight, and seemingly unconnected to any pattern in your own behavior. If you’re a typical boyfriend blob, and your girl starts the day with lipstick smeared in vibrant cherry eddies across her plump lips, something she hadn’t done during the previous two years, you’ve got competition lurking in the shadows of her snapper.

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Gay.
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[…] Comment Of The Week: Balancing Comfort With Anxiety […]
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I guess a superb elaboration upon a COTW can’t be awarded a COTW? 😉
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[…] By CH […]
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This post touches on something I’ve suspected might be one of the darkest truths of what game implies: There is no such thing as Love.
There is only her instinctual response to your present-moment, high-value, high-confidence, dominant behaviors.
The more I read, the more it seems anything past that 1/4-second sparkplug-gap-firing Pavlovage is just the fairytales of greeting-card companies and otherwise well-intentioned yesteryear social-structurists.
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Hard for some to swallow but the truth. Its reverse beta bait. Keep you hooked on the goods before you legally buy the cow, guilt the guy into developing oneitis so she doesn’t lose out on a decidedly good deal by him window shopping or worse. Doesn’t mean she’s closed for business necessarily, just means you’re being held on retainer.
Only time I’ve had chicks profess their love as if it really meant something substantial was when I put them out. The rest is just call and response to ensure you’re following the script. Which equates to failing shit tests when you oblige. 2/3 ratio here should be more like 1/3 at most.
Appreciate the sentiment of you being high value enough to be wanted as an exclusive option but don’t buy the narrative of the concept. You take enough losses in chasing your goals playing puppy love and your head will spin at how fast she hits the door.
Traditionally “love” was not viewed as the goal in partnerships; it was getting the best deal possible for both prospective families and ensuring progeny would be birthed and raised successfully.
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“it was getting the best deal possible for both prospective families and ensuring progeny would be birthed and raised successfully.”
That’s how I’ll marry if I’ll ever marry too. Love is for the mistresses. And women do love, but not in the romantic ideal way because nobody loves like that.
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Mr Ronin…
Amen, sir.
Love is a mental illness, or at best a crude tool that our biological imperative to reproduce uses to bludgeon our brains.
Love for one’s children, families, friends and colleagues is real.
Romantic love for a woman must never be fully trusted.
If romantic love is real, why does it take constant work, constant self-searching, constant conflict avoidance/management/resolution, and so many goddamned sacrifices to sustain it?
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“love” is a biological feedback loop in the wrong direction. chemistry. like meth or crack.
if you wish to transcend, be more than your biology, if you can.
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You gotta get out more. Learning more about the truth of things doesn’t necessarily have to end in bitter, elderly cynicism.
At the same time, ballocaust has a point about romantic love not being the point of marriage. What a strange cul-de-sac we have gone down in the last 150 or so years.
Love, rightly understood, is sacrifice. It isn’t a feeling or a sentiment. It isn’t infatuation or warm tinglies in the abdomen. Love is willing the good of another with no regard to yourself. Agape, not eros. Eros means longing, and once the longing is consummated it can no longer provide the basis of a relationship. All the “LTR” advice to stay sexy for your mate (men stay Alpha like you own the universe! women stay cute like you’re 16!) misses the mark by a mile.
Our immature understanding of the purposes of courtship and matrimony is the cause of the widespread (Cosmopolitan/Married Man Sex Life) belief that the methods we used to capture our mates are the same or even related to the methods we use to keep a mate. I mean, it helps to stay attractive of course! But superficial magnetism or instant chemistry aren’t going to sustain a Relationship throughout a “Long Term.” The next attraction will come along tomorrow, and he or she will be have the advantage of being different from the default, i.e., you. No single thing, no matter how alpha or how hourglass, can be more attractive than the possibility of all other attractive things combined.
You are right to the degree that your definition of love is faulty. You and Christian Grey “don’t do romance,” and all the more power to you.
Matt
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Love exists. The way my mom cares for my terminally declining dad with patience and tenderness is proof to me.
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You are right, as noted above: AGAPE, not eros, is what your mother is showing.
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Disney love isn’t real, but love is very real.
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My buddies and I always noticed that once a girl started seriously dating a guy she would invariably begin looking more slovenly and sloppy. No makeup, hair not done, jeans and t shirts, etc. We called it the “just finished fucking” look.
I assumed it was an unconscious, in-born, DNA-deep impulse to lower the perceived social/sexual value of her boyfriend, and thus make him less desirable to other women. A guy who has his arm around a hot chick in lipstick and a silk skirt catches the eye of other women. A guy holding hands with a plain Jane who looks like she just rolled out of bed is just another unremarkable mediocrity.
Then, when plain Jane would break up with her boyfriend, boom….crimson lipstick, nails done, tight running shorts, back on the market.
And the cycle continues……
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I would say that it’s the implication of too much comfort and not enough dread that allowed the lass to let herself go.
And if the girl is going this way… is it not because the boyfriend allows it?
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“And if the girl is going this way… is it not because the boyfriend allows it?”
yes
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Re: The OP
“but women are also strangely their own worst enemies in their quest for eternal love and happiness. Women will work instinctively and incessantly toward neutering and domesticating boyfriends and enlarging their LTR comfort zone until, perplexed and full of resentment, they have lost all desire for their men.”
Its adaptive in said search for love and happiness. No bitch wants a guy who’s more of a bitch than her. So they push to see how much you’ll take to assess comparative fitness. The problem lies more in generations of men raised to be Ray Romanos and a legal system that leverages white knights at the drop of a dime because they’ll get a bite of your wallet in the process, such that the shittesting is rarely checked before it reaches critical mass.
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@ Ronin
“no such thing as love”
This is simplifying a complex issue. But I will use the term love (whatever ‘it’ really is) in my comment.
We can all agree that men and women love each other differently (h/t rollo!)
We can all agree that a woman’s love is conditional (based on provisioning, attractiveness, and options).
We can all agree that Game seems to illicit love feelings in women toward men.
So that gets us to the point that Love actually IS different for women than it is for men. And it is our predisposition ‘as men’ that makes us feel that there is no such thing as love.
The better statement is.. Men can never be loved by women the way men wish to be loved. (h/t Rollo again).
A cynic would look at this and deem love (from a man’s perspective) as a fools errand. A man will never be loved by a woman not his mother. (ESPECIALLY unconditionally)
I think it would be better to accept the full implications of Game on all Male/Female interactions. If Game is truth, then we must accept the stark implications of what we would find in the deep recesses of the Female Mind.
You get the Love your Game deserves.
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Honestly, it all comes off as ‘love can change, therefore there is no love.’
Grow up.
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“You get the Love your Game deserves.”
Yeah, that. I was more cynical when I was a hapless fat kid. Once you know how the game is played, you can actually enjoy being around women.
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“You get the love your Game deserves.”
Incredibly pithy.
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I posited a theory a while back on this forum, that women are genetically programmed to destroy their vagina. Maybe love and tingles are what happens when a guy does a better job at destroying her vagina then she can. Heh. Only after the vagina is sufficiently destroyed by disease, offspring, or the cock carousel can she settle for a beta.
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Oh gawd, can’t stop laughing. Bullshit or not, this is brilliant. This must mean that pornstars are causing undo competition anxiety for every woman who *isn’t* getting pussy pummeled to oblivion within six months and sixty men.
Is pornography making society more promiscuous due to over-sexualization, or because status-whoring sluts flaunting their more-efficient method of self-immolation are sending other women into a blind panic?
Either way, whoever loses…we win. lol
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True Love doesn’t exist?! Well then naysayers, how to explain this just past True Love Holiday where men are reported to have spent $13 billion on a demonstration of True Love? Of course, if you’re cynical… YMMV.
And men aren’t romantic? Pshaw.
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‘Every man has the mathematical formula in his head, “how much money do i have to spend today so you don’t act like a cunt'”.
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“Wielding psychological tools that would make Alinsky blush”
As a pure supposition, I posit that such socialist sociopaths as the above mentioned Jew bro have a particular skillset (cue the Liam Neeson Voice over) in deception, deceit, and pure unapologetic evil in dealing with behind-the-scenes curtain pulling that would likely, if translated to the sexual marketplace, result in overly overtly successful pussy pulling.
Certainly the denizens of this locale wouldn’t be nonplussed at all at the notion. Look how closely the behavior of the arbiters of evil mirrors the Dark Triad. If only they used their powers for good, they would drown in an ocean of pussy juice, money, and power instead of just money and power.
Better call Saul.
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YaReally/Sentient/HABD/Walawala/Kant and the rest of the guys:
Any tips on younger (18-19) women and escalating? I’m 35.
My escalation skills are pretty decent – all but one of my last 10 first dates (from online) ended in kisses/makeouts and two out of the ten in a toilet BJ. I still need to work on getting that level of consistency in first night lays as opposed to just makeouts, but I’m decent.
But the one girl in the last 10 that I didn’t kiss (and another a couple nights ago who I just barely kissed) were both 18-19 and I just couldn’t get it going with them. Like they were perfectly friendly and compliant – with the handholding and kino and stuff (and in the case of the latest girl, with kissing lightly – no resistance at all) but it was as if they were on edge a bit – not entirely comfortable..a bit nervous and naive. They enjoyed my stories and conversations and were engaged, but I just couldn’t verbally escalate either.
They were both college freshmen very obviously trying to expand their horizons and trying out older men. I could be wrong but I don’t *think* attraction was the issue with these two – I just don’t know how to get a girl with this kind of profile to open up and get comfortable enough with me to let her desires out. Does that make sense?
I also recently dated a third 19 year old, but she was a very different personality. Much more experienced (and hotter in terms of putting in some effort – the first two had no idea how to dress up for a guy or use makeup etc – they literally came from the campus library wearing jeans and t-shirts) and not college educated..had already been married and divorced at age 19 etc. Anyway, with the third girl, even though I ran exactly the same game, same stories, same kino, it was really easy to get into a heavy makeout session and connect with her horniness and I even got her home but couldn’t get the lay due to some logistical issues.
All 3 girls were 7s. The third girl (with makeup etc) maybe touched 8, and the first girl (if she’d made an effort) could have been an 8.
Any thoughts/advice? If I continue with the 18-21 year old market I am going to run into this more often..
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@Culum The best book I ever bought last year was Krauser’s Daygame Mastery. There is an escalation model. On his blog he also has the “Date model”.
I bang girls most guys wouldn’t get near. Part of this is to be confident. The other part is to be able to confidently pull off the “neg” and then read her responses correctly.
Krauser says if she’s there standing in front of you talking or out on a date with you…she wants to fuck you. You just have to figure out how.
There is only one girl I’m gaming that I’ve gone out with several times and NOT banged. She has been saying stuff like “I want to know you’re a gentleman…” I just disappeared for 4 weeks and dropped her a text the other day. She replied in 2 seconds. I invited her over to my place to cook for me and with me…My escalation strategy is to not escalate…
The whole escalation model is about spiking attraction while then injecting rapport and comfort until she folds.
Find an opening to sexualize early: Remember that girls with older dudes have a mindset of being different from her friends.
If a girl says “You’re too old for me…” I say: “You want a boy or a man?”
dig around and then let us know how it goes. I can give feedback on your reports. It’s harder to tell you how to escalate without context. Read the materials and start incorporating them. Learn to read IOI’s.
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@ wala, culum
one of the best parts of “daygame mastery” is where he talks about the different types of “on” girls
there are the obvious “on” girls. but then there are subsets such as the “suspicious on” girls
“Suspicious on” girls are ones not actively fancying you because they think you are “too old,” too married, too whatever.
Yet they are, at the same time, fascinated by you. So these girls ARE bangable, they are interested in you – it is just a more deft pull you have to execute
Krauser very aptly describes the shit they will pull, how to defuse, and then how to pull them.
He also identifies “time wasters” – close to the “suspicious on” but not the same type of girl. You have to read the differences.
Turns out a whole category of girls I thought were just not interested in me fit into the SO when I thought they were TW
For culum, it sounds like some of the girls who you can’t kiss are SO
I agree with wala – solid advice is that if she is still standing there that is the biggest IOI you can get
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@Walawala & @Scray – thanks guys
Wala – I actually follow a modified version of Krauser’s date model tweaked to my personality (the main difference is that I find multiple venues too much of a pain logistically so I meet elsewhere and walk to the venue with the girl, which is a kind of venue change).
I will check out his book – I think I’m falling down in creating enough rapport/comfort with shy girls.
Scray – yes, I think you’re right. It’s not even a first night lay – it’s that I don’t understand why I can’t connect with them and turn them on enough to kiss me properly and my conclusion is that they are too nervous and tense.
Maybe I need a more laid back environment instead of a classy upscale bar..and then relax a little bit and have fun and play pool or something with these girls. And play a longer game..(several hours to the kiss instead of about an hour standard for me)
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Well, it really doesn’t matter what you do with them…all that matters is how you do it. But, doing very chill activities may put you in more of a comfort-building mode. And you don’t have to ‘take longer,’ either.
Just switch out a lot of your C&F banter during the interaction for soulful interesting stuff that lets them know that they can trust you. Keep kino escalation, etc. identical. Verbally escalate from that frame.
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Calibration and comfort.
If you’re trying to go for FNL, be sure you have an escape plan. Wherever you guys hang out should be close to your place, if not your place.
It may help for you to approach it with a question: what kind of circumstances do really young girls think allow them to FNL a guy? The narrative you’re going for is like….’you guys click’ and it’s really chill, which will allow her to have an ‘OMG it just happened’ moment.
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@Culum
More Comfort. Try mentioning your ex was 19 so she knows you’re experienced with the age gap and it’s not the blind leading the blind. Odds are she probably hasn’t been with an older man before.
Also pay attention to whether you need to lower your value or raise theirs so they feel they deserve you.
To lower your value: Lots of self-depreciation humor about being an old man and not understanding Twitter and her Justin Beiber shit etc. and joke about grey hair etc. Like disqualifying yourself so that you don’t seem bigger than life to her and she can see you’re just a normal dude.
To raise her value: Qualify her and let her pass those qualifications, standard procedure. When you talk about a younger ex drop in that older women are boring and jaded and cynical etc. so she feels like she’s got the value to earn an older man.
And nullify the age thing by leading the frame that it’s irrelevant: I have routines about how my first GF was older than me and how I find people have two ages: their physical age and their mental age and sometimes people have chemistry and connect mentally on a level that people wouldn’t expect going by their physical age. Like you seem like a girl who’s been through a lot (they all have), you seem older than you are (they all want to think that), I’m impressed because not a lot of girls can keep up with my bla bla (qualifying her, raising her value)…and maybe you’re younger than me, but I’m VERY immature 😉 (self-depreciation and lolz to brush the convo out of serious territory into no big deal territory) So tell me about your (change subjects).
If the girl doesn’t bring age up, then she’s probably been with an older man before and I don’t bring it up either. The last 21yo I banged I’m not even sure she knew exactly how old I was, it never came up lol But if she brings it up then she probably hasn’t been with one before and you have to calibrate like I’m describing.
“they literally came from the campus library wearing jeans and t-shirts”
lol ya I hate that shit. I always make my Day2’s in the evening so they have time to shower and get done up, and I do a lot of qualifying about girls dressing up for me etc. in advance so they know I’ll be judging them. The hotter ones of course still come in jeans and t-shirts to shit-test whether I’ll still try to bang them or not lol I’m good in bed so I just bang them and then scold them during the post-orgasm glow telling them I almost walked out as soon as I saw them dressed like shit but our chemistry bla bla and then tease that I’m going to delete her number as soon as she leaves etc. and that fixes it, next time she shows up done up to wow me.
Good luck
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@Culum
“My escalation skills are pretty decent – all but one of my last 10 first dates (from online) ended in kisses/makeouts and two out of the ten in a toilet BJ. I still need to work on getting that level of consistency in first night lays as opposed to just makeouts, but I’m decent.”
Hate to break it to you but no they are not decent.. Your escalation skills are not good. Here are my thoughts, in no particular order
-Kissing / makeouts don’t mean shit. Your typical cute college 7 makes out with two or three guys every weekend just on the dance floor when she’s partying with her girlfriends. Girls will make out with anyone.
-You shouldn’t be escalating at all until you’re at the sex location. Making out spikes her ASD, gives her validation she craves, and makes you come across as needy. All very bad things
-The fact that you’re even shooting for make outs at all, and considering it a win when you get them, means your inner game is fucked up right now. Get out of that rut.
-18-21 year olds are actually easier to lay. My guess is the reason you’re having trouble with them is that these girls are used to alpha frat boys at parties who caveman them to lays every weekend so they’re turned off by your timid escalation attempts
-Focus on keeping the sexual tension high, isolating her to a sex location on the date, then trying to escalate to sex. You will learn a lot faster even if you mess it up
-Don’t consider yourself ‘decent’ at escalation until you’re laying at least 50% of your first dates
-Sorry for the tough love but the sooner you realize you suck the sooner you will start to improve 🙂
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@kant Great post, one follow up question: Why should you NOT be escalating/making out at the bar/street/location?
I do this all the time and i’d say 90% of my first dates last year ended in lays.
Yes, in some cases the girl did get ASD but then in one out of 3 cases I met her a second time and banged her, 3 of the others I made out with didn’t lead anywhere, one I still see as part of “long game”.
I think you have to go for the kiss early, then the rest is a case of a variety of factors. In my personal experience, it’s always a gamble but after I go for the kiss the girl is attracted, then I can diffuse that with some comfort or rapport…then escalate again….
The times it doesn’t work is when 1) one location not 2 2) the girl just has logistical issues: it’s late, etc 3) the girl’s ASD kicks in and it’s too late to diffuse.
The reason they ended in lays was because of the pre-screening and escalation via text so that by the time we met up she was primed for what the meeting was all about.
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@wala
Seems to me like you’re answering your own question. In your case you go for the kiss, then have to diffuse the ASD it provokes, then escalate again to get the lay later. You’re just creating more work for yourself. Keep her guessing about how much you like her, this will in turn make her more likely to want to be alone with you, to see if you’ll make a move then. Also much more plausible deniability for isolation. Then you escalate in one smooth motion to sex.
Literally 20 minutes ago I was having a convo with a cute hb7 friend of mine who went on a Tinder date last night.. the guy kept trying to make out with her at the bar, she’s shy with PDA and kept backing away but he wouldn’t stop trying. This really pissed her off and she ended the date early.. she said she probably would have fucked him if he hadn’t been so pushy at the bar
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@kant I’m going to experiment with this. The 26 year old who likes me but has held off on any physical contact is coming over to cook this week. I think I’m going to play it totally straight…see how this plays.
Now, a second question…girl I’m banging, 27 year old, is flakey. It’s like she pulls away, then goes full crazy…then pulls away. I always maintain my cool. Only once did I lose it on her…after she was telling me off about something.
But she’s pissed that I didn’t spend Valentine’s Day with her…I had plans to go to a weekly party. I offered her Sunday. She was pissed. I opened her and she basically texted back: “Don’t bother me, I dont’ want to talk to you”.
I replied with ” …” Do I re-open her? Do I just leave it?
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@wala
“Now, a second question…girl I’m banging, 27 year old, is flakey. It’s like she pulls away, then goes full crazy…then pulls away. I always maintain my cool. Only once did I lose it on her…after she was telling me off about something.
But she’s pissed that I didn’t spend Valentine’s Day with her…I had plans to go to a weekly party. I offered her Sunday. She was pissed. I opened her and she basically texted back: “Don’t bother me, I dont’ want to talk to you”.
I replied with ” …” Do I re-open her? Do I just leave it?”
Sounds like she shit tests you a lot and you aren’t handling it well, which just causes her to shit test you even more. An alpha doesn’t ‘lose it on her, he ignores her and goes and fucks other women.
You allowed her to suck you into her frame. As soon as she gave me any drama about Valentine’s day I would have soft nexted for at least a couple weeks (total radio silence no matter what she texts you).
I say hard next. GFTOW
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@Kant thanks. I haven’t re-opened or replied. This is a strange one. It’s a girl who is just not happy…ever.
I read about this idea of the “Waif”…the girl who is not openly hostile but seems to suck you into her drama…I think this is it.
She’s often throwing out the “I’m not feeling well” hoping I’ll come out and offer her medicine. She even told me once: “Every other guy I said that too sent me medicine or cold packs, but not you.” I just shrugged and said, well get in touch with them then. Then she got upset and said “What’s wrong with you?”
Best to walk away. I’d be in a stronger position if she re-opened me.
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“I also recently dated a third 19 year old, but she was a very different personality. Much more experienced (and hotter in terms of putting in some effort – the first two had no idea how to dress up for a guy or use makeup etc – they literally came from the campus library wearing jeans and t-shirts) and not college educated..had already been married and divorced at age 19 etc. Anyway, with the third girl, even though I ran exactly the same game, same stories, same kino, it was really easy to get into a heavy makeout session and connect with her horniness and I even got her home but couldn’t get the lay due to some logistical issues.”
The difference here is between girls and a woman. The girls are naive, the woman, though 19 is experienced. I see a lot of these sheltered young girls out,,, they have escaped their over scheduled helicopter parents and have NO IDEA what they are supposed to be doing. Maybe had a few makeouts in HS, or a quick bang to lose their V card, but really totally immature. Not sexy to me.
You will need to just lead them strongly. I’ve had much better results just going full “boyfriend posture” kino and avoiding the escalation latter, arm touches, grazes etc. Just take her hand, pull her close, put arm around her, hands on waist, pull her onto your lap etc. like you have fucked her 12 times already. Pull her close, laser eye, sexual vibe and make out. And be the fantasy, be the manly man of the world, order her a drink, give her some of yours, issue commands (stand up, turn around, let me look at you, come here, sip this etc.) and definitely have your logistics in place so you can just say let’s go and make it happen.
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@YaReally
jeeezuss that frat vid was …. sobering… nice find! I mean hey, great that they can take the piss out of themselves, but that was gay as aids. Especially given the current ‘pussification of the west’ climate turning men into doormats for the FI.
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The mod is strong today…
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Maybe CH is trying to give you a hint
Throw him some $$$
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Thanks guys – the feedback’s really useful.
Funnily enough I just banged a 21 year old today -a real “yes girl”. I had a lot more confidence because we’d been sexting and she’d been sending sexy pics on Whatsapp and so on so I knew if she showed up, I should close. She travelled two hours each way to see me – one drink in the bar, a bit of dirty talk, walked her to my place, zero LMR for the bang. Took YaReally’s advice and bought her food afterwards and cuddled a bit.
Did all the stuff mentioned above – assumed the sale, led, etc.
@Lucky White Male – that’s another recommendation for Krauser’s book. I will check it out – it seems to very good. I think the girl was probably SO indeed.
@YaReally & @Sentient – Point taken – a combination of leading more strongly (I lead decently) and building comfort. I’ve been out with a few of these younger girls recently and it has really been striking me just how much more I’ve done with my life and where I’ve been and what I’ve experienced – it’s just leagues ahead of these girls’ life experiences, even if they are hot.
@Kant – Heh, I meant my escalation was pretty good compared to the general populace, not the skills of the guys on this thread. But you’re right – I do have a long way to go and the honesty is appreciated. I think of makeouts (or a kiss anyway) as a waypoint, not an endpoint in itself, but I get your point. I have been consciously making out much less with girls in the last couple of months since I lost a very attractive 23 year old to ASD after a heavy makeout/groping session following which I couldn’t manage to get her to my place. I like to do a little bit of kissing still though – set the vibe, talk about sexual topics etc. But no more heavy makeouts unless there is a clear path to isolation/sex (like today I made out with the 21 year old in the bar knowing that I was going to walk her home soon).
Also – I am not sure how you would sexualize when you meet (and avoid a friendly vibe) if you are suggesting not kissing at ALL and not kinoing at all. Only verbally?
Also – I get your point about frat boys cavemanning these girls but the vibe I got from both these girls (not No.3 who isn’t a college girl but who I can see at a frat party) is that they were nervous and inexperienced, not that the escalation needed to be harder. Comfort not pusshing harder. In other words, I don’t think they are at frat parties every weekend and dealing with drunken frat boys (not that they are some pure girls who won’t sleep with you on the first date etc – just that they don’t have much experience and hence are nervous especially with an older guy in a suit in a fancy cocktail bar when they are wearing jeans and t-shirt and therefore require more comfort)
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Oh and one more comment about the 21 year old I banged today. This sort of super-easy lay has happened to me a few times before – it’s like a glimpse into how women behave around a guy they perceive as high value – just how easy they make it for you.
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@Colum
“Also – I am not sure how you would sexualize when you meet (and avoid a friendly vibe) if you are suggesting not kissing at ALL and not kinoing at all. Only verbally?”
You sexualize by not breaking sexual tension, giving her laser eyes, keeping up your sexual state and letting her follow you into it through state transfer. It doesn’t really matter what you say, but if you say it in a low sexy voice and you don’t break the tension like a doofus she’ll get the idea that she’s in a sexual situation. Incidental kino is fine, but I would stay clear of overt kino until you’re at the sex location.
Some advanced guys swear by sex talk and heavy kino but I think they do that to just amuse themselves and see how far they can push it–it doesn’t really help them get the lay.
“In other words, I don’t think they are at frat parties every weekend and dealing with drunken frat boys ”
Interesting.. in my experience 7+ American college girls almost all party. 6 and below vary. Sometimes you’ll meet outliers, like a 22yo hb8 I laid recently who had never been kissed. Hers was a very weird case though, professional dancer, think the movie Black Swan type situation..
“they don’t have much experience and hence are nervous especially with an older guy in a suit in a fancy cocktail bar when they are wearing jeans and t-shirt and therefore require more comfort)”
You’re definitely making it harder on yourself with the suit and the fancy cocktail bar, these girls are going to feel very nervous and out of their element. It’s fine if that’s what you want to do but just know you’re playing with a handicap, like yareally said you have to make her comfortable with that situation.
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@Culum
“I’ve been out with a few of these younger girls recently and it has really been striking me just how much more I’ve done with my life and where I’ve been and what I’ve experienced – it’s just leagues ahead of these girls’ life experiences, even if they are hot.”
lol if anything the hotter they are the LESS life experience they probably have. There are girls in high-end scenes like LA/Vegas who literally don’t even have jobs. They just have orbiters who buy them stuff and pay their rent and everything and spend their day putting pics up on Facebook/Instagram. Like that’s their day lol
They’re not reading self-help and searching for a purpose and honing a craft and shit like guys are. Because society doesn’t expect them to. You will never see a smokin hot 9/10 homeless girl living on the streets. It doesn’t happen. There will ALWAYS be a guy or multiple guys, or even women, to take care of her and be a safety net for her no matter how useless to society she is lol
…till she hits the Wall. Then it gets messy lol It’s not her fault, a lot of guys who become celebrities run into this too. Society stops expecting anything from them and they lose their purpose. Brad Pitt said when he was married to Jennifer Anniston he just layed on the couch smoking pot all day and eventually became disgusted with himself.
Of COURSE these young chicks love us older men, we’ve DONE shit with our lives compared to them and especially compared to their male peers. We are fuckin’ fascinating lol
“I am not sure how you would sexualize when you meet (and avoid a friendly vibe) if you are suggesting not kissing at ALL and not kinoing at all. Only verbally?”
kant covered this, but hit my archives and search for “liam” and “gambler” and “robbie williams” for two videos on how to spike sexual tension without kissing or blatant/any kino.
Also keep in mind that sexual TENSION needs to be resolved, so there’s incentive for her to come to your place to resolve it. Which time are you more likely to take an ugly chick up on her offer to bang: when you’ve just finished blowing a load, or when you’ve spent 2 hours at a strip club with girls grinding your lap and not finishing you leaving you with an insane case of blue balls?
You can make coming home with you a lot more appealing by using laser eyes (like the vids I said to search for) and slowly cutting the space and getting soooooo close to her without quite touching lips and then veering off to the side and growling a deep “mmm, you smell good tonight…but I have to go to the bathroom, don’t roofie my drink” as you pass by her to go to take a piss leaving her hanging, than just making out.
“is that they were nervous and inexperienced, not that the escalation needed to be harder.”
I agree with this read. Drunken frat boys aren’t cavemanning girls every weekend anymore, they are all homos now. The education system is literally just a feminist brainwashing asylum now.
@Culum
“just that they don’t have much experience and hence are nervous especially with an older guy in a suit in a fancy cocktail bar”
…u wot m8?
lol there’s half your problem. Can’t remember how old you are but if you’re 40+ then ok this is cool, just expect to have to get them comfortable like we’re discussing. If you’re under 40, hit a pub and throw on casual clothes instead and you won’t have to deal with this problem as much.
@kant
“Some advanced guys swear by sex talk and heavy kino but I think they do that to just amuse themselves and see how far they can push it–it doesn’t really help them get the lay.”
I do sex talk but I have a lot of nuances with how I do it. I do a lot of third-party sex talk, like I’ll tell stories about girls or of friends etc. where we’re talking ABOUT sex but it’s not “I want to fuck you on this table” it’s “ya my ex loved public sex, we got thrown out of a bar for getting it on on a table lol”
“in my experience 7+ American college girls almost all party.”
I’d submit that them partying doesn’t necessarily mean the guys they’re partying with are all Stifler from American Pie. 10 or 20 years ago, sure, but in 2015?:
I’m sure at top party frats there’s a lot of crazy shit, but the majority of frats are likely just chodey young guys who can’t tell their balls from their ass yet getting wasted and sloppily trying to badger girls into sex or dates.
Hit up the youngest nightclub around you and check out the male competition there. There’ll be like 2 or 3 alpha Stifler types and the rest are just a bunch of chodes even if they’re good-looking chodes lol At their own frat I’m sure they have more situational confidence compared to being out in the “wild” of an actual nightclub, but I’d say these days half these guys are txting girls begging to be their boyfriend after one bang while they listen to gay hipster music and talk about the “sensitivity toward women’s issues” lecture they had to attend lol
Watching Keys to the VIP on YouTube is great for breaking down a lot of limiting beliefs about how good the frat guy jocks really are in-field, every guy doing pickup should watch every ep of this show:
I’m not saying that none of these guys has game, there are lots of great examples of these dudes with sick game on Keys and guys getting lucky breaks and shit, but overall it’s eye-opening for a new guy to see dudes they would just assume get laid fucking up over and over, missing windows, fucking up logistics, switching to needy behavior and outcome dependence, begging for numbers, blowing tons of $ bribing the girls, getting super weak #-closes, etc. People give young energetic frat guys way too much credit lol
I’m hitting the youngest nightclub in my city this week with a PUA buddy lol We both have almost 15 years (each) on the crowd in there, it’s going to be fucking hilarious. Been cooped up working lately so I’m expecting to be self-conscious as fuck, approach anxiety thru the roof, and get blown out all night cold-approaching. Can’t wait lol
“You’re definitely making it harder on yourself with the suit and the fancy cocktail bar, these girls are going to feel very nervous and out of their element. It’s fine if that’s what you want to do but just know you’re playing with a handicap, like yareally said you have to make her comfortable with that situation.”
Yup agreed. Again if he’s a super old dude then it can be congruent to the older man thing so it’s cool, but he should then just be aware that he’s going to have to get them comfortable and watch out for being too high value for them to think they deserve him.
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Culum – where you meeting these girls? Sounds like everything online first and then you are setting a meet?
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@YaReally, Sentient, Kant – thanks again.
I will apply all of this stuff – esp the (a) building comfort (b) toning down the environment to a pub; and (c) laser eyes sexual tension stuff.
I’m 35, but always get told I look a lot younger (I’ve had a lot of grey hair come out recently but until then I always had girls guess my age around 28 – and on one occasion, 21. Even now I look early 30s max).
I have a date tomorrow – will try going to the pub and not making out and building sexual tension in other ways (although this is a 25 year old). I guess my concern is that I don’t quite have the confidence yet to accept that I can be congruent and sexual and get her home and fuck her without having even kissed her first. I need some reference experiences of that because otherwise it feels like I’m going “surprise” at her if I don’t kiss her till I get her home..but I will experiment tomorrow – no kissing until I get her home – and report back.
Now that I think about the last 4 18-21 girls I went out with – the two above I had trouble with – were both taken to fancy cocktail bar. The other two (21 year old I just banged and the 19 year old I got home but logistics prevented the bang) were both taken to the casual pub near my place. It was just a fluke that it happened that way but I can see now that it made a big difference.
Sentient- yes, 90% of my dates are from online and the rest a random mix of organic day game, singles events and some nightclubs. I have been focussing on online game, sexual escalation etc for a while and not on cold approach nightclub stuff – I’ll probably refocus on that later in the year. Online meaning a mix of regular dating sites and sugar daddy type sites (of course I don’t pay – the trick is in filtering out the gold diggers and finding the girls who are looking for a successful older guy to show them life – I do really wear a suit for work, but that’s often why I take girls to the fancy cocktail bar – because it is a bit more congruent with the sugar daddy image than the local pub – but it seems based on my last 4 girls, all from sugar daddy sites – that it actually doesn’t matter)
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The italicized comment at the beginning is mine. This is a kind of sticking point which I don’t quite understand and have come to believe that many women are emotionally unstable and nothing or no one can keep them.
Two examples: 23 year old I gamed, banged, went out with. I thought it was all going well: 1-2 brief texts a week. We’d see each other maybe every two weeks, we’d bang and hang out. Suddenly out of the blue she freaks out, breaks up. She’s since tried to re-connect but I’ve ignored her. One clue was her constant messaging about being “depressed” on “anti-depressants”, “Seeing a shrink”….guess it’s no real surprise. I see her occasionally now but she’s made no effort to seriously re-open me other than the IOI’s at a party.
The second is the 27 year old. I met online, also quite hot. She is quiet, had an ethereal beauty: pale, waif-like, quiet, super-intelligent she had an interesting tattoo. She had a variety of fantasies many of which I fulfilled…the bi-fantasies she said were something she always wanted to try. We went from super-hot to suddenly her wanting more “comfort” but offering nothing in return beyond showing up to bang. NO Christmas gift, no farewell gift when I went on holiday, never cooked, would leave her cereal bowl on the table after we had breakfast leading me to point with amused mastery: “Sweety, this isn’t a bed and breakfast”….she flaked on me the day we made plans to meet after my holiday. Then she got upset when I told her I had other plans on Valentine’s Day.
The other one I’m banging is my “Friend”….she shows up in lingiere, buys me gifts, texts and calls regularly is my muse…
It’s like girls claim guys are just out to fuck them…but they self-sabotage and the relationship then becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy where no matter what they do….I’m still the bad guy.
This is just an observation. It means that what girls say really means nothing. What matters is what they do—if they’re banging me it’s because they want to bang. IF they run off, the “comfort” is really all in their heads. They project their insecurities which are already firmly programmed and nothing I can do can undo them…Game has helped ME make sense of it all as much as it’s been the key to banging them.
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“It’s like girls claim guys are just out to fuck them…but they self-sabotage”
Krauser wrote something interesting. He said one of the few things he has not yet been able to figure out in 5 years or so of Game is this phenomenon of girls who wilfully “throw a spanner into the works” to sabotage an otherwise practically perfect pick-up on the way to sex.
He will be presenting all the right signals to her of high SMV, etc, etc, but the girl for some reason, will willfully derail the train
no logic
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Gatekeeper reflex. There is such a thing as being too smooth – you completely disarm her and take all the control out of her hands. If you’re the gatekeeper and somebody arrives looking like they hold the key, you question why they haven’t let themselves in yet. Which makes you suspicious.
While a woman likes few things as much as being seduced, she dislikes few things as much as realising she’s being seduced.
My two cents.
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@Dougsie but this is the classic forebrain/hindbrain conflict. This is the who Red Pill realization. The feminist movement has conditioned women to go against their own natures. So yes they want to submit…but then they’re being fed a bunch of crap about how wrong/bad/etc it is…they should be the ones in control. So they end up pushing away the very thing they wanted in the first place, then settling for a beta and complaining there are no good men left in the world.
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YaReally has written something about this in his archives but I can’t quite dig the keywords out of my brain to search for it.
Something about how when she feels attraction she will deliberately throw a spanner into the works just so that she doesn’t lose control and fuck the guy etc (it was relating to a field report about a guy who successfully picked up a girl in a club and banged her)
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@ dougsie, wala, culum
read it here, this is the post.
http://krauserpua.com/2013/10/26/i-bang-my-first-23-year-old-romanian-street-racer/
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“Men are so completely notch-centric that we don’t fully appreciate how little women care about getting a new lay. They really don’t care if an interaction doesn’t lead to sex. They can walk away at any time. It’s only with tight game that you can get them invested enough to want to see it through.”
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@Lucky White Male – yes, that post is pretty spot on.
I haven’t read Krauser’s book, but I have read his blog archives going back a good 3 years (including that post you just linked).
I think his practical advice is pretty good – and I broadly follow his date model too (although the endless Facebook chat excerpts are a bit tedious – I guess it works for him but even though I do loads of Whatsapp stuff it doesn’t suit me).
But his whole Game metaphor is about how this is all a battle that you fight and daygame is a hard slog and you fight through all of it for the prize at the end..and somehow that just doesn’t appeal to me. Once you start getting some results, you start to ENJOY the process, enjoy the learning and the getting better and I just don’t like his metaphor.
It’s more like learning to play tennis or the guitar or whatever and getting progressively better – not walking the streets in an exhausting battle (I’m not much of a daygamer, but I’ve had some success – usually entirely organically in spotting IOIs and escalating – I’ve had ZERO success on the 2-3 times I tried to go out “daygaming”). (Speaking of which I had a girl open ME on public transport a few days ago – she offered me a small pack of face wipes as her opener FFS – I just went with it and got sexual etc and got her number..meeting later this week).
Anyway, the point being I don’t like his metaphor for the Game – this is fun for me. I didn’t just enjoy banging the 21 year old today – I also enjoyed writing my previous comment asking for thoughts and then reading yours and the other guys’ responses and help..the whole thing is FUN, my people skills get better and I get to fuck girls too 🙂
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@Lucky White Male
@Culum Struan
“no logic”
Nah, it’s logical. It’s not just “guy logic”. Everything girls do makes sense, but as guys we have a hard time understanding the end result and writing it off as “no logic” because it’s nothing we would do as guys lol
From my archives:
““and two times right after averting her head she grabbed my waist closer. Not sure what was going on here. I just remained unreactive and acted like nothing happened/it was no big deal”
You handled it perfectly. When a girl’s “Buying Temperature” spikes too high too fast she tries to throw herself out of it because instinctively she knows she’ll end up fucking you. That’s why a guy who escalates fast but competantly gets shit-tested. “We shouldn’t be doing this…” “I can’t come home with you, I have work in the morning…” are half-assed ones, but more extreme ones are girlfriends pulling eachother away from a guy (“we have to go to the bathroom!!”, they sense that their GF’s spiking too fast and they need to get her away to cool down) or girls insulting you (“that’s a gay shirt” or “I don’t date short guys”) etc. It’s her going “shit, I’m so turned on, quick, how can I make him unattractive…oooh I called him short and he got pissed off! That’s so lame, whew, now I’m not attracted!”
It’s why when you pass a shit-test (like you did, by being unreactive), attraction spikes. It’s like she goes to hit the brakes on her car as it rolls down a hill and realizes the brakes don’t work. Huge emotional spikes.
Her grabbing your waist closer was her sub-communicating “I won’t kiss you, but I don’t want you to leave/give up yet, but I can’t verbalize that or I’ll feel like a slut…”
“I looked at her with a straight face, saying nothing.”
lol perfect. You don’t always need a witty line/comeback.
“I smirked and replied: You know I take life as it comes. Curious about the best play here.”
That was the best play. She tried to get you into a logical conversation (cools down her Buying Temperature like explained above). This is why part of AMOG’ing another guy who’s talking to a girl involves just asking him a series of logical boring questions, if he falls into answering them the girl gets bored and cools off).”
Here’s a fan-fucking-tastic in-field video from the oldschool days where you can see this dynamic in action. Note how the girls Buying Temp is spiked so hard through the roof that they can’t even form sentences anymore (this is why the guy at the end is happy they caught that on film even though he didn’t get them):
There is no “LOGICAL” reason for them to start to turn away and the blonde to pull the brunette away as she looks back over her shoulder at him. Like according to male logic if they’re having that much fun why would they leave???
But view it through what I talk about up there about how they try to jam the brakes to avoid fucking the guy but they realize they’re on a hill and the brakes are out and it makes perfect sense.
But, as you can see, it’s not always a GOOD thing to spike shit so fast. If their circuits fry you get the monkey wrench. Logically those girls should have stayed, but they run off.
Here’s a BEAUTIFUL breakdown of all the little dynamics that happened in this set, this is why oldschool game was so powerful…opinion openers and powerpuff girls sound retarded when as a man you read them, but they were chick crack and played on the right dynamics and, like you can see in this vid the AMOGs became INVISIBLE to the girls and were like “wtf just happened?!?”:
lolz from that vid’s comment section: “Dude what the fuck is this shit. I feel like an alien. How did any of that stupid shit you said even make them laugh. Girls are fucking retarded and I can’t put myself down to that kind of level of thinking. If you disrespected me like that, forget the girls, I’d beat your fucking ass. I respect other men as equals, and respect boundaries, because if a male did what you did to me… I’d kill that mother fucker.” – which one of the eBadasses around here that always jumps in on AMOG discussions to remind me how he would totally kick a guy’s ass for AMOG’ing him wrote this comment? lol
@Culum
“But his whole Game metaphor is about how this is all a battle that you fight and daygame is a hard slog and you fight through all of it for the prize at the end..and somehow that just doesn’t appeal to me. Once you start getting some results, you start to ENJOY the process, enjoy the learning and the getting better and I just don’t like his metaphor.”
Agreed. It should be fun. I haven’t read Krauser, but that “this is a battle you slog through” attitude leads to frustration from getting cockblocked etc. instead of lol’ing at it and it just creates a lot of negative shit in guys’ heads. It’s not a good attitude to foster.
Pickup is supposed to be a blast. You should be able to go purposely get blown out all night and laugh it off instead of going home frustrated. Sure it’s not fair that women have so much abundance and don’t care if they get laid or not, suck it up buttercup life ain’t fair lol It’s not fair that you don’t have to spend $200 on your hair, makeup, sexy outfit, are socially restricted from approaching men, and then no one attractive gets up the balls to approach you and you go home having wasted all that money.
One of my favs on the topic:
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Oh yes – and another thing I don’t like about Krauser is his general attitude.for a self-confessed beta who learnt and improved and got better after his divorce, he’s incredibly sneery about newbies – lots of poking fun on his blog at them in a very unpleasant way,very much of the “LOLz I saw this short, ugly Asian dude try and daygame a supermodel and get blown out today haha – doesn’t he know he’s a loser who has no chance with her” and “this weird guy with an accent recognized me on the street today and tried to get my advice about something” variety.
All about guys who are trying their best to improve and putting in effort to do it – just like he did a few years ago.
Like I said – his practical advice is sound, but the general attitude is offputting on a number of levels.
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ya – so you’re saying these girls are throwing the spanner in the works because krauser is too efficient at being attractive and spiking buying temperature?
don’t tell me you are saying the 7 hour rule is required
what i don’t understand about 7 hr rule is how these guys are pulling SDL’s and fucking in toilets within 1 hour
to do that – they have had to spike BT through the roof, and fried her circuits, but the girl doesn’t seem to care
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@Culum
I don’t know enough about Krauser to make a judgement or verify any of that, but the attitude you’re describing is one that I’ve seen before and that I don’t support at all. The whole reason I help guys out for free is because I was a hardcase nerd that other guys selflessly helped out back when the community was all free information exchange with guys teaching bootcamps in coffee shops in exchange for a couch to sleep on etc.
I’ll probably check out his daygame book down the road when it’s not a million dollars, I’ve heard all good things about it lol
@Lucky White Male
“to do that – they have had to spike BT through the roof, and fried her circuits, but the girl doesn’t seem to care”
No, the 7hrs isn’t required to just get laid.
Don’t sperg it, driving a car isn’t “you either floor the gas pedal or don’t touch it!!!” There’s an art to it.
Think of it like a videogame, you tap the button and fill the guage a bit more every time you tap it and you want to keep it near the top without over-filling it. If you go over the max, you lose, but if you let it drop too low for too long you lose. So you have to spike that BT up TO the roof without going through it, till you get to the lay.
It’s perfectly logical lol
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Ya,,
i’ve been looking for an old tyler article on
25 points of not telegraphing interest (re: buying temp )
can’t find in bristol lair – any idea if its online
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@Walawala- LOL at “Sweety this isn’t a bed and breakfast..”
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@ Culum…she picked up her bowl and brought it to the sink…still didn’t rinse it though.
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God, 90% if you guys sound like pathetic losers unworthy of a woman’s loyalty, not pussy slaying aloha tyrants.
“Love is a mental illness”, “love doesn’t exist.”
God, go take your loser stench elsewhere, you’re getting it on my suit.
Love of course exists, and it is a biological tool to create offspring…. So?
It feels great, and if your game is tight, and your choice of women is mindful, you’ll do fine.
That whole, “girls in relationships get sloppy.”
Yeah, if you don’t keep Em on their toes.
Let me give you a tale of two men.
The first guy, fires his girlfriend practically every week for even the slightest infractions, he is dominant inside and outside the bedroom, and the girl knows he can drop her and have a new girl the very same day. (And has done it a few times just to show he isn’t fucking around.) he also chose a girl who grew up in Saudi Arabia, so she is used to submitting, and values a man taking the lead.
She is careful to maintain her appearance, and deems it her role in life as a “womanly duty.”
The second guy lets his girl wear the pants in the family, she is a know it all who makes all major decisions, constantly bringing down for not being more ambitious. She hugs guys she barely knows saying “oh, we’re friends!” She constantly texts people on her phone, keeping many male friends around. She professes her “love”, but has been denying him sex. Surprising few, she was recently outed as cheating, when the side guy called his work telling him that she loves guy #2 now! (God, seems like she loves betas all around.)
A lot of you guys sound like the the second guy, jilted and burned. All I want to say is it’s important to be wise, but not bitter, mindful, but not overbearing. Remember, mate guarding is mostly a beta thing.
Make sure to enjoy life, bitter, women hating shows low value. (High value guys move on and have options.)
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“Remember, mate guarding is mostly a beta thing.
Make sure to enjoy life, bitter, women hating shows low value. (High value guys move on and have options.)”
Would agree with that.
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And of course if she is dressing to the nines, and won’t screw you when she’s ovulating….defcon 5.
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Point to note when dealing with girls in the 7-7.5-8-when-they-try is that calibration and self awareness is essential. Once you’re a certain way down the red pill road and have changed the way you act and think, you may unconsciously be giving off alpha signals which will fry the circuits of particular girls who may be harbouring insecurities and are used to orbiting dweebs. As in they literally can’t believe you want to get with them and will harbour all sorts of weird hamstery thoughts which eventually come out and ruin everything. I’ve been there and there is nothing you can do unless you read the signs immediately.
Obvious answer (what I did) is to just upgrade to 8s and 9s but we’re talking thin end of the bell curve of availability sometimes so always make sure your internal worth is calibrated with what you are projecting – ie the “I’m the prize” mentality. Otherwise you’re stuck in the pursuer mindset and can’t actually process what is really going on in her head.
CH – don’t know if you’ve come across this phenomenon?
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Husbands are to blame for lazy wives – especially when they don’t have the balls to not lie about their cheating in congruence with their inability to demand for their needs directly. It is easier for them to succumb to the inertia of least action with a woman who requires little effort. A man should periodically tell his wife, independently of his assessment of the value of their relationship, and typically in a neutral manifestation, that divorce was on his mind that morning but decided against it today.
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Yep every single thing as a man’s fault fuck wad
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“…women are also strangely their own worst enemies in their quest for eternal love and happiness. Women will work instinctively and incessantly toward neutering and domesticating boyfriends and enlarging their LTR comfort zone until, perplexed and full of resentment, they have lost all desire for their men…”
The entire head-up-its-own-ass, self-help / relationship book industry just went out of business…
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Quit lying about cheating or indifference and stand up for your needs directly. Tell any wife, in any relationship state, periodically that you thought about divorce that morning but decided against it today.
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” Tell any wife, in any relationship state, periodically that you thought about divorce that morning but decided against it today.”
LOL… +1 will use this.
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“Quit lying about cheating or indifference and stand up for your needs directly. Tell any wife, in any relationship state, periodically that you thought about divorce that morning but decided against it today.”
this is good advice. i’ve heard guys on here talk about guilt over cheating but how many of them are with women who are dropping the ball and not doing their part to make their men happy? i bet it’s a lot of them. these guys are doing their girls a favor by getting action on the side and staying with them instead of just dumping their frumpy, prudish, neglectful asses.
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“these guys are doing their girls a favor by getting action on the side and staying with them instead of just dumping their frumpy, prudish, neglectful asses.”
K, you bring up the proverbial question! Which one is better? There seems to be a moral component to it also.
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“K, you bring up the proverbial question! Which one is better? There seems to be a moral component to it also.”
sure there’s a moral component. but what about the moral obligation a woman has to please and meet the needs of her man? a lot of pussies out there who allow their women to disrespect and neglect them and then they feel guilty for wanting the attention of a woman who admires and desires him. that’s not right. where’s the accountability for these women who aren’t holding up their end of the bargain?
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“sure there’s a moral component. but what about the moral obligation a woman has to please and meet the needs of her man?
..and I can tell you that I can relate to those sentiments.
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“Tell any wife, in any relationship state, periodically that you thought about divorce that morning but decided against it today.”
Yes, good for a while. But be careful you don’t play it too often because then she smells the bullshit and you have to go to the harder stuff. I know.
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Na – This is a line for amused mastery – she walks by with a laundry basket, slap her ass and deliver, or post-coital or after she brings you a glass of wine when you have your feet up. The reaction should be “you’re and asshole”… amuse her tease, have fun – YOU are above it all.
Not a line for a quaking beta, butt hurt and angry. Easy mistakes to make when you are starting out.
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“you’re my practice wife/gf”
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There is no accountability for women in our society. For anything they do.
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“Quit lying about cheating or indifference and stand up for your needs directly.” Do agree with your premise. Alpha.
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first COW. thanks CH
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“…but women are also strangely their own worst enemies in their quest for eternal love and happiness. Women will work instinctively and incessantly toward neutering and domesticating boyfriends and enlarging their LTR comfort zone until, perplexed and full of resentment, they have lost all desire for their men.”
I was just thinking about this yesterday. What biomechanical driver could there be for this? In our not-so-distant ancestral past, maybe relationships were short-lived, like most lives. Meet, attract, fuck, reproduce was a quicker turnaround, so the ability to quickly and strategically domesticate a male mate was advantageous. It really boggles the mind -given how much they love excitement -the quickness with which women drive towards seeing you way too often, establishing comfy routines, moving in together, marriage, mushy commitment talk, and all of the other intersexual nuances that accumulate to crush sexual tension and urgency. Give her an inch, and she will take the entire shaft, and try to put it in a small jar on a shelf, just for her. What gives? Most (masculine and self-sufficient) men I know would rather live apart, have more space and alone time for their pursuits, and ultimately (perhaps by accident) keep the desire fire burning for longer.
Truly NOTHING seems to work as well as a walk together outside on a sunny day to capture the passing glances of single women who want “the guy with his girlfriend” to notice them all the more. Then you’ll get softballs like “I saw you checking her out” which can be knocked out of the park with “what? she was checking ME out!” Toss the Agree n’ Amplify Louisville slugger towards the dugout and jog your way to home plate, where you will be greeted with her soft, warm, and newly invigorated womanhood. She MUST remember that her competition is right outside, soaking up the sunshine and waiting to be swept off of their feet.
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Just got this shit-test text from a girl I’m banging regularly.
For her birthday I sent her a ridiculous photo I’d taken of her smoking.
Her: Please don’t masturbate to that
Me: Try harder
This is a new reply I’m trying…and a variation of the “We’ll see” reply
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From the CH Twitter Feed
“Feminist aborts baby because it’s a boy, or feminist makes up story for attention. Either way, feminist crazy.”
I am ambivalent about this. I mean the loss of any men is probably detrimental in some way.
But I believe that a declining birthrate or even a constant birthrate increases the sexual capital of women, and given the lack of any restraint on the base instinct of women, they utilize the power they get from increased sexual capital in manners that both feminize society and create unhealthy structures and institutions in society.
Probably, the behavior of this one woman will probably get stamped out by the feminist powers that be because they understand both instinctively and consciously that reproduction leads to lower or even birthrate and this increases the sex ratio in favor of females.
But imagine a scenario where women were so stupid as to begin to abort 20% of male babies. And the woman that does this is probably so dysfunctional that she would raise some misfit boy (if she had it) due to dysfunctional idea about child rearing and some possible bad genes.
So if there were some period of time, say 20 years, where this sort of skewing occurred and there was a 1.25 to 1 ratio, some 4 males to 5 females, then you would probably have some competitive scenario that forces women into monogamous roles. There would be fewer boy monkees offering to apples to the more numerous girl monkees. Or at least, given the short reproductive window of females vis a vis that of males, that you might at least reach some even level of power level of male vs female sexual capital.
I saw this ratio in Medellin in 2005. The Colombian census had released data that showed with the City of Medellin there 1.3 million women and 1.1 million men. And that was just for Medellin, it doesn’t take into consideration the other municipalities in what might be considered Greater Medellin, to include Bello, Itagui, and Envigado, roughly an area with 4.5 million people. And the basis of the sex ratio was that it more acute and skewed in the ages where high rates of violence and death occurred from the beginning of the war with Pablo Escobar up until the AUC begin to quell the success of leftists in the civil war. Most of those men killed during that time were older teens and young adults. So in 2005, there a dearth of men ages 20-35 with, particular men 25-35. That is why the place was such a famous destination over the other cities in Colombia. Some of it was the nature of opportunities for women that favored them over men in a city vis a vis the countryside. But the end game was that there was a sex ratio that ultimately favored men. And even with a 1.2 to 1 ratio, the women still acted like flakey bitches. But the flakiness increased, as noted by travelers, after the sex ratio local to younger girls begin to level out, post 2005. The decrease in “la violencia” lead to a far far lower death rate among males among the ages 15-20. So march that forward 5 or 10 years and among the women aged 18-25 began to see a “better sex ratio” in their formative years that calibrated their ideas of sexual worth and increasingly shitty behavior. The older women were far less shitty than the younger ones. And was far more than just diminishing SMV for women 25-40, it was a sex ratio that was extremely problematic for them.
So I wonder if some epidemic of women aborting male babies could have some societal benefit. Younger marriages probably would be one, perhaps leading to increased childbirth as men instinctively seek to lock in men when they sense increased competition. And there might be a higher percentage of men that do get married and hence provide that benefit both to themselves and to their children. This might seem counter intuitive, as it appears that men would be more promiscuous given a better sex ratio. But keep in mind, that this “bevy of options” is limited to the top level men. So that threshold of monogamy (or polygamy) would be lower if, in total, there were both fewer men and hence, fewer alphas. There is this idea of “trickle down marriage” where once what available top level men begin to get taken out of the picture, some form of panic sets in among the women, and they rush to get what they can while they can. So with fewer men, that threshold is lower.
One thing I would think would happen would be that all this female yammering about “sex positive sluts can do what men can do” would come to a screeching halt and the screeching would shift to limit male sexual options by some sort of more puritan and restrained sexual conduct.
Females will not participate in any system that doesn’t favor females. And in a sex ratio that favors males, then expect a societal value that restrains male sexual access, especially in the face of a surplus of females. For all that is said by Feminists about the 50s, the reality was the sex ratio did favor men, the birthrate increased every year from 1932 on, and add this with the effect of the war on the number of men available, 500,000 died, probably another few million seriously wounded, mostly younger men, and there was a serious disadvantage for women, meaning far fewer older men for a given cohort of women. They responded by a dramatically repressed sexual code of conduct, and dramatically lower age of marriage for both men and women, 26 for men and 22 for women before the war and 22 for men and 20.6 for women after it and all during the 50s and 60s. The rate of marriage screamed through the roof. It was higher than at any time in the 20th century. The sexual revolution only occurred when the dramatic birthrates of the post war baby boom created such an incredible sex ratio beginning in 1968, All aspects of female created sex constraint (the pussy cartel) were functionally impossible for women to maintain once the double whammy of penicillin and birth control gave men extra bargaining power in addition to a ridiculous sex ratio. And women tend to be less leftist when they are married. When taxes and policies, in their minds, stop affecting “men” and start affecting “my husband”, then they are less inclined to be so supportive of “those sluts”.
And fewer men diminish the sexual capital women have because there are fewer men to transfer economic and social power to women. And “development” marches forward, as more and more automation takes hold, as more and more “robots” remove jobs from those men that lack cognitive skills for higher level work, there will be fewer and fewer men that are viable in terms of “trading” those things from men that women use in rent seeking activities. When diminished sexual capital forces women to compete on a more even footing with men, then men tend to win. Inevitably there are going to be roles, particularly where things must get done, where men will tend to concentrate. And when those men are involved in high quality life relationships with women of their own, they tend to be less susceptible to the nonsense and the distraction that women can bring to a situation. Or at least, the threshold for susceptibility to that sort of thing is higher than it is with some horrible sex ratio like we see today. Tests have shown that a man soaked with Oxytocin will actually maintain a greater physical distance between himself and a woman who is not his mate.
It would take a much longer writing than this comment space to detail the effects a changed sex ratio due to the abortion of male babies would have on society to due dramatically different sexual politics.
The current regime really shits on the bottom 70% of men. It favors some top 5%, probably less, and force that cohort from 70% to 90% particularly those in that same economic group, top 70% to 90%, but not in the same SMV range to struggle far more than they deserve to struggle.
So my thought is that some male abortion regime like this would probably reduce the pain on a significant number of men, but particularly assist those in the high greater beta ranges. And if you remove the sexual stress and pain on that group, if you give them the biochemical basis to stop being fucking neurotic sexually, then they could go about being far more productive than they currently are today.
So when you hear about this sort of thing, don’t knee jerk so much. 50 million babies have been murdered by women since Roe v Wade. For the males that are born, it would be far better if they faced a more favorable sex ratio.
My wife one made this comment on some woman site about women being more accepting of a pregnancy and less prone to abort depending on how they felt about the man. When he was “her alpha” she had no serious issues about keeping it. And also I would assume they would be more prone to keep it if there were fewer questions about being able to extract resources from the father. So the end effect might be sort of eugenic.
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The key to relationship bliss is having the role of the frumpy girl. Do little to please your partner while they slave away to make you happy. The irony is that women get off on this so everyone is happy.
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