Short men, like ugly women, through no fault of their own got a raw deal when the cosmic abyss spit them into existence. Short men, all else equal, have it rougher in the dating market. However, unlike ugly women, short men have means at their disposal to improve the quality of their prospects.
Life is unfair, and it’s better to make peace with that fact than rail futilely against it for a magical intervention that will eradicate the unfairness. This should help: Understand that as a short man you can still find happiness and pleasure despite unfavorable starting odds.
In that spirit, here’s Reservoir Tip with an excellent piece of game advice for short men,
Side tip, if you’re a short guy (like me), and a girl observes that she’s taller than you, this is obviously a shit test. The German girl, and other girls in the past have thrown this test at me. I’ve found a good reply to be,
“I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m six feet tall.”
All with a straight face of course. It’s a solid, simple reframe.
Elegant. It works because it follows an elemental precept governing the functioning of the sexual market: A man’s overconfidence — to the point of irrationality and possibly beyond it — is attractive to women. Impenetrable egotism will assist a man in his quest for high quality poon as assuredly as beauty will assist a woman in her quest for an alpha male.
UPDATE
Reader theasdgamer adds a witty riposte to the short man game repertoire.
I grow seven inches in bed.
I don’t know if this qualifies as airtight game, but it is funny. Any normal girl will laugh along with it.
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Reader farmlegend has some short(ish) man observations,
A few random observations from decades at an altitude of 5’8″ –
1. Because women’s initial hindbrain reaction to short guys is that they are less manly, it is important that short men adopt as masculine a frame as possible – hit the gym, develop uber alpha body language, speak slowly and deeply, make solid eye contact, etc. These are all good things to develop in general for all men, but it is especially critical for short guys.
2. Develop day game. It is very hard for short men to DHV in noisy settings like night clubs. Back in the day, I never did well in bars. Hypergamy makes you physically invisible amongst all the taller dudes in those places.
3. For whatever reason, I always found that the most difficult targets were short attractive women. It is as if they are subconsciously bound and determined not to have short children, and they have the greatest preference for tall guys (I’m the product of such a pairing, between a 5’1″ italian spinner and a 6’2″ three sport college athlete). I came to have greater confidence of success with women in the 5’5″ – 5’7″ range.
My thoughts:
1. Given a cost-free choice (no negative side-effects) to grow six inches, I’m certain most short men, even those who have tight game, would take it. It’s human nature to travel the path of least resistance, and if a short man can get the pussy with less effort, he would be weird not to abide. That said, shortness isn’t a pickup killer; it just makes the job harder. I’d bet short PUAs, on average, have better game than taller PUAs because the former have been through the equivalent of trials by fire.
(The human desire to take the path of least resistance is also a major reason why late-stage decadent civilizations implode. So you could say short men are practitioners of individual civilizing progress.)
2. Yes to this. Day game is essential for less physically imposing men.
3. CH is on record supporting the idea that short men can improve their odds by targeting women shorter than themselves (under the theory that the female preference for male height is relative to female height). However, farmlegend makes an astute point about the notable predilection for *some* very short women to prefer much taller men, and there may be an evolutionary reason for that. So, perhaps it’s better advice for short men to target *slightly* shorter women than themselves, rather than significantly shorter women.

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Hit em with a neg: Tall women seem a little gawky.
Or: Whaddayamean? My feet reach all the way to the floor.
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This comment section has turned into a manlet conference
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Think small.
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Dwarf fest.
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What is it with the phaggots in this comment section trying to emulate /fit/?
Go be tedious on somebody else’s time.
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“Manlet?” Sounds like someone was pissed a little guy out-gamed him sometime. It happens. Learn from it.
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I let my shorter comrades out-game me all the time. It pleases me to share the wealth. Bros before hos
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Game : Short Men :: Feminism : Ugly Women
Discuss.
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If Matt King stands in a forest
And professes his love for FeministX/Littlespoon (“…which is why I can truly say I love FeministX…”)
And posts long supportive screeds on her blog
Does he really successfully practice Big Brother Game? (Or does he merely have blueballs)?
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GameFaggotry : Short Men :: Feminism : Ugly Women.fify
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Another advantage for short dudes is they’re perceived as less threatening on cold approach.
I’m tall, but when working with a shorter wing it’s a great combo to open larger sets where there is a variety of height in the group (and suitors).
Another tip for short dudes is to accept that women who are 2-3+ inches taller than you are pretty much non existent. And treat them with such indifference and use them as pivots. (Or befriend them with clesr IODs). This will work for you with the targets who are within height range.
Also to add, I sarge with a paraplegic on occasion and he can literally open any set with easy ease. He’s a good looking dude with sharp witted gab. Point is he’s harmless on approach- as this is an advantage.
For me as a tall dude at 6’1″ in great shape, I typically am received with bitch deflector shields on full alert and a salvo of shit testing launched my way; parrying this can become annoying especially when there’s a < 6 or fat chic in the group aching to harpoon me with insults.
However a shorter dude with game principles can slip in with more ease. The challenge however is a short dude needs to keep up some solid attraction building routines to amp up the non-physical attraction traits of men that women hold in high regard.
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To qualify i’m speaking of more night/party/larger group game.
For day game and approaching unsuspecting sets as a short dude- just accept that chics much taller are going to have very low hit rates. Approach height comorable women and same game principles apply IMO.
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i’m tall as well (and the grass is always greener in my eyes), and i think you’re right re: shortness so long as it’s not extreme shortness. with much younger women, there are times (it has seemed to me) that they were more comfortable with shorter guys. upper twenties into thirties they start looking me up and down just for being tall, but the prime age girls seem put off to me.
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A friend of mine – great athlete, a star D-1 lax player – was 5’3″ at best. He was pretty jacked. We used to joke he looked like a model, a 1/10th scale model of a human. He was a good wingman but worked alone really well too. If a girl dropped a comment, or gave him a look that he thought was about his height, he’d say shit like,
“I know you think I’m short, but in bed I feel about 6’5″” or “Yeah, I’m short, But I’m uncomfortably thick.”
Jacked + confident + socially inappropriate sexual references of a bragging nature always got that fucking midget laid.
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Me personally, I’ve found that since I’ve developed laser eye contact, and will look at anyone I meet straight in the eyes until they look away, not a small number of girls who’ve given me coquettish smile/quick lookdown were girls 1, or 2 inches taller than me. I’m 5’5.
Girls are usually turned off by short girls out of bad experience.
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*short guys
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Problem is that the being short is not only in comparison with your target, in fact I would say it’s not mainly in comparison with your target. It’s in comparison with your competitors. The whole alpha male concept should make that obvious….
Short girls do not prefer short guys in my experience. All girls prefer tall guys (as long as it is not freakishly tall, let’s say in the top 30-20% of your particular group), of course if all else if equal….Big wallet, big charisma, big look can make a difference
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If you do not have that, there is always another “simple” solution: change your playing ground so that your competitors are shorter….Asia 😉
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Dafuq? I’m 5’7, and out of the three girls in my current rotation one of them is 5’10 and the other claims 5’11 but is probably closer to 6 (my third girl is 5’2. Full disclosure: dominance with her is stupid easy. Tall guys are absolutely playing on retard mode, lol). For our first date I told them to wear the tallest heels they own and I easily palmed their waists.
I don’t like to swipe at people online (I really do like you, wala, lol), but this is verifiable bullshit and I don’t want other small guys like me to be swayed by this. Why would you even think this is legit? This is a *game* site, right? Looks can be talked away, but not height? Ooookay.
Lol. Blinders alert. So you’ve seen your tiny wing fail with tall girls (wait: a paraplegic? Are you seriously using such a rare case to make a generalized point?) and now you’ve decided that its a lost cause for us poor shorties. For the record, I have never once had a girl shit test me about my height. I’m dead serious. My 5″11 swears up and down that she’s barely taller than me and says that if I was any taller she’d be “too intimidated”. The bitch’s hands are almost bigger than mine and spreading her legs and holding them in the air while I fuck her is like trying to manipulate the world’s largest pair of chopsticks through a bowl of noodles. Biologically this shit shouldn’t work but it absolutely does because I know what I’m doing and I’m fun as hell. This is what game is all about. Walking with her in public is like carrying a goddamn golden chalice with the words “PIMP” emblazoned in pink rhinestones. Other girls aren’t laughing at me; they’re wondering what the fuck I’ve got going on.
I’m well aware that being short is a negative*, but like everything else, it all comes down to maximizing your positives. OK Cupid and Tinder are looks-based, so girls will weed out short guys in a heartbeat if given the chance*. Yeah, no shit. If this was your premise, then I completely agree. On everything else, though, and I hate to say it, your advice as a tall guy is as worthless to short guys as a girl’s advice is for anyone with a dick.
Short guys often have no choice but to target girls that are taller than them, just as we have no choice but to learn how to take down men that are taller. Even a girl that is 5’3 can be taller than you with heels. Accept that she’s dreaming of some mystery meat six footer and that she’s going to be shocked that she finds you so attractive and shatter that shit. There’s quitters and there’s hitters.
* Being short isnt just about height: your entire build is smaller, and girls can instinctively see this. Working out is a huge plus, but you just won’t ever have the wingspan. Oh, and if you have any social proofing group shots? You’ve just socially proofed that you’re 3 inches smaller than all of your male friends, lol. This is why we game and don’t rely on looks, though I bet there are even some short guys who will tell you that they can kill it on Tinder and Okcupid. I’m both short and look like Tyrion Lannister’s slightly taller brother, so my success rate online is crap lol. Hell, maybe someone like Ya will tell me that even *that* is a limiting belief. Its game all the way down.
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@Hook or Crook
How are the tall girls pussies? Ive never had a girl that tall. Tight? Are they deep as hell? I know its not so cut and dry, but its not so nuts to think a girl with a longer torso will have a deeper pussy, usually.
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A short guy can slay online. It’s actually pretty easy. The problem with posting group shots with ‘you and your bros’ is that they don’t show anything. Sure, if a short guy does it it also shows how short he is in addition to the fact that he’s helming a sausage party.
Just have a good pic of you with two or three hot girls — heights irrelevant as long as you’re in an alpha pose. You get one or two photographs like that….you’re golden.
Generally, CH is right about the path of least resistance. Getting to the gym, getting shredded, getting buff, getting an edgy style, etc. go a long way for a short guy….because they make it easier for you to get into the headspace of ‘I’m a cool guy’ which helps you act like a cool guy and create value.
Getting fit is awesome. You feel like you look every bit as good as Brad Pitt or whoever.
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Definitely bigger all around than smaller girls. I can jackhammer them in any direction and they’re happy as a clam. The sub 5’5 girls will wince as I bottom out, though I personally enjoy that more. Your mileage – of course – may vary. I’ve personally never had a tall girl who was as tight as a small girl, but this is just anecdotal and could be random chance.
lol. Guess I was too literal. All of my group shots (tinder) are with girls, with the exception of me and some friends scaling a wall at Tough Mudder. I aint getting shit. Even with average sized girls, if they’re rocking heels I’m clearly shorter than them in photos and not imposing. Like I said, I could be wrong about it online, but girls that won’t go near me from my pictures will throw iois in public. One girl who did swipe right immediately asked me my height and admitted it was because I “looked small” in the photos. Its becoming a running joke that girls tell me that I am nothing like their type and that they can’t believe we got together. Could be any number of factors, but currently the reality is that online is a waste for me. Maybe I’m ugly as sin as well hahah
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Are you leaning on the player angle? I’m not sure what the photos of you and the chicks look like…but they should look like this:
Like all of your pics should be SUPER alpha. And then your msgs would just be pretty nice and down to earth.
Only reason I’m even kind of pushing the online thing is because it’s super easy once you get everything into place. It’s more fun to go out and meet people, but you can also just build up your social circle with chicks you meet online, which helps you even more IRL.
I hear you though, regarding girls saying ‘you’re not my type’ blah blah blah. Sometimes it really pisses them off, too. Like, they get mad that they are attracted to you lol.
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“Walking with her in public is like carrying a goddamn golden chalice with the words “PIMP” emblazoned in pink rhinestones. Other girls aren’t laughing at me; they’re wondering what the fuck I’ve got going on.”
good point. i think there’s a lot of truth to this.
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@Hook
“I’m 5’7”
I can tell by the way you write.
Keep qualifying yourself to me little man. In an aggregate sample, i’m right on all points. And short-straw (heh) manning my claims it’s clear I hit a litte nerve in your little nerve.
Now if you feel better pounding your little napolean chest like a yard ape BC of your supposed successes, cheers.
And great profound conclusion that it all comes down to “game”.
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5’7″ also and my experiences are similar. I have an easier time landing girls 5’8″ and taller than I do with my preferred range (5′ to 5’3″).
Either way, it comes down to the same thing: see what you want and get after it.
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Ripp, I hear you on that. I’m about 6’4″ and 210, an sometimes it almost feels like a hindrance. You will get IOIs from women looking, but a lot of mixed groups seem intimidated, and reluctant to invite you in to talk. Took me a while, but getting beat out for a target by a shorter guy with tighter game a few times over the years taught me to take fuller advantage of my build. Sad but true, not giving a shit about your shorter competition and going caveman works wonders when you are big. A sprinkling of sociopathy is akin to bathing in pheromones.
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You should be running every room you enter, man. The odds of you meeting other 6’4″ guys are slim as hell, so be loud, take up the space, and make those girls feel like theyre standing under a roof. Women want a BIG MAN ON TOP OF THEM.
I fucking wish i was 6’4. Fuck I wish I was 6′ . 5’10 is okay but i have such a big frame.
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When a tall guy AMOGs me it tells me he is paying attention. A lot of tall guys including boyfriends and husbands immediately dismiss me to their peril, The ones that “put me in my place” do so by this gentle giant thing. They are bemused by me, fake-wing for me…like.. “Hey, Chrystal, this guy has more heart than a guy twice his size!”
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Yup. With field experience game helps us microcalibrate to the environment + situation in real time.
For every tall dude that is too meek and blows himself out of opps, I see a short monkey dude with an over agressive (passive agressive) clown display trying hard to compensate for the obvious.
See Hook above ^ lol
Beyond that every situation will vary with the largest gap between approaching single targets in a day game environment vs. groups and sets in a night game environment.
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“Took me a while, but getting beat out for a target by a shorter guy with tighter game a few times over the years taught me to take fuller advantage of my build. Sad but true, not giving a shit about your shorter competition and going caveman works wonders when you are big. A sprinkling of sociopathy is akin to bathing in pheromones.”
We’ll said. Awesome last sentance.
Same with me man. I’d say same with any accomplished player. Gotta learn in field. Nobody bats a 1000%. Getting out matched by shorter dude makes a taller guy learn how to deflect the threat- likewise a shorter dude can learn what tactics to apply.
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going caveman works wonders when you are big. A sprinkling of sociopathy is akin to bathing in pheromones.
Any time a caveman move works to AMOG is a time that any other move would have worked. Whenever the other guy has a fighting chance with the girl, a caveman move is a move in the other guy’s favor (I’ve had dudes try to drag a girl away from me or carry her over their shoulder, only for those girls to come back in like two or three minutes).
The ones that “put me in my place” do so by this gentle giant thing. They are bemused by me, fake-wing for me…like.. “Hey, Chrystal, this guy has more heart than a guy twice his size!”
YES. These are the dudes to watch out for and they will fuck you up. IRL and not in internet land, the sickest AMOG interactions are also superficially some of the MOST POLITE interactions.
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Try taking the screws out of your neck, Dirk It’ll help with that.
I’m a 6′ caveman who alternates between defensive tackle and middle linebacker build depending on how much I’ve been hitting the gym lately. Am I ugly? Yeah, I think facially – with the hair growing out sideways and thick jaw, I’m probably a 4, though some chicks, particularly the cute little elfin types really seem to dig me. I clean up pretty good in a suit and I play on being a slightly scary, highly intelligent goon. It has always worked quite well for me. Women only sometimes are seeking safe betas with pretty little girl faces. It’s easy to establish a masculine frame if you’re starting from a burly appearance.
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‘Another advantage for short dudes is they’re perceived as less threatening on cold approach.’
Yeah, but it’s not that much of an advantage. A stinky old homeless guy is probably less threatening than a 6’1 ripped due, but nevertheless, the first guy is 10x more repulsive.
‘Another tip for short dudes is to accept that women who are 2-3+ inches taller than you are pretty much non existent. And treat them with such indifference and use them as pivots. (Or befriend them with clesr IODs). This will work for you with the targets who are within height range.’
I agree that ignoring these targets is the optimal strategy….BUT…only because ignoring these targets, for whatever reason, makes them super attracted to you in the end. If you just focus on bringing value and you DQ these chicks, eventually they will end up throwing themselves at you.
‘However a shorter dude with game principles can slip in with more ease. The challenge however is a short dude needs to keep up some solid attraction building routines to amp up the non-physical attraction traits of men that women hold in high regard.’
The challenge is for a short guy to even get to the level of being shit-tested. That’s kind of what I was hinting at up above. You start so far ahead that you THINK it’s a negative, but it’s such a positive.
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“A stinky old homeless guy is probably less threatening than a 6’1 ripped due, but nevertheless, the first guy is 10x more repulsive.”
False equivalence. Stinky dude =/= shorter guy with game.
“BUT…only because ignoring these targets, for whatever reason, makes them super attracted to you in the end. If you just focus on bringing value and you DQ these chicks, eventually they will end up throwing themselves at you.”
Somewhat disagree. Expressing indifference to targets doesnt automatically = targets being attracted to a shorter guy. More likely is that it’ll support efforts of the short dude with comparable height targets by social validation/pre selection alloof intrigue of there girls in the group.
“The challenge is for a short guy to even get to the level of being shit-tested. That’s kind of what I was hinting at up above. You start so far ahead that you THINK it’s a negative, but it’s such a positive.”
My point exactly.
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It’s not a false equivalence. A short guy, while less threatening, is perceived as less attractive, which is part of the reason he’s ‘less threatening.’ I wasn’t equating the homeless guy to a ‘short guy with game.’
‘Expressing indifference to targets doesnt automatically = targets being attracted to a shorter guy.’
Ya, which is why I said if you a) ignore and b) focus on creating value.
‘More likely is that it’ll support efforts of the short dude with comparable height targets by social validation/pre selection alloof intrigue of there girls in the group’
I think the disconnect here is that I was talking about a social circle situation. In a night game situation the same dynamic would still apply, but there’s so many moving parts that pulling it off on a CA is unlikely.
‘My point exactly.’
Which is partly why I’m all for a short guy maxing himself out. Get super buff, develop an edgy style, don’t be a fat fuck. Makes it way easier to act like a super confident, cool guy. Any time a short guy does that, it gets a reaction because people are like ‘who is this guy?’ and they immediately try to call him out. Short guys make mistakes like ‘I don’t want people to notice me and call me Napoleon, etc,’ but that’s the life….once they start doing that (in response to you being normal and positive), you’re on the radar.
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I still remember fondly the amazonian eurowhore here on vacation that I had to stand on the side of the bathtub in order to rail her from behind. She came back a few times before she left. Short man game…..bring a stool
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That would be a great line in itself.
Tall Chick: Your kinda short.
Short guy: Don’t worry baby, I’ll bring a stool.
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So get on your knees and love me. Or I would climb you like a tree.
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Two most alpha guys I know are both 5 5.
One is slight about 130 lbs and very laid back. The other is stocky and bald and aggresive. Both in their 50s and both self made multi millionares.
Women go absolutely ape over these guys with no effort on their part.
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“self made multi millionares. Women go absolutely ape”
you don’t say 🙂
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It’s not the money it’s the attitude.
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Sentient, we’re not random surprise packages. Ask yourself if the mental skills that made these two wealthy might also attract women.
Lazier readers: don’t use this as an excuse. You can improve your package.
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That was my point. They had the attitude which preceded everything else and was the cause of everything.
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Its both attitude and money, I suppose. That kind of money can make a man very very confident. But, even if he had no game and was a man who sat in the corner all night…if (some)women know how thick his wallet is they would still like him just for that.
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they’re standing on their wallets
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Am i correct in assuming the spend more time winning the men in the room than they do paying attention to the girls?
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They are the room. That’s the thing… the attitude they exude is like a gravitational force, pulling all into their orbit. But yes women are very secondary to them, they are not chasing any pussy…
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and both self made multi millionares.
Most short men aren’t.
When you are that rich, the minimum you need to pull hot girls is standards, and not being a pushover. That’s not even Game, so much as common sense. That much power will surmount any obstacles.
Their attitudes certainly wouldn’t count for nearly as much without all that glorious cash to roll in.
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Are you fucking retarded? These guys are self made. Born with nothing. Attitude makes everything. It is the cause to the wealth effect .
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I get a lot of short students and this seems to be quite the insecurity in their heads more than likely from past shit-tests un-passed. I would venture to say that being overly short in a woman’s eyes is almost just as bad as living at home with your Mommy. Short guys really do have a somewhat harder time especially if the woman is tall herself. Short guys can ruin her social value in her eyes as short men are not perceived as Alpha by society or women, therefore his game and lifestyle NEEDS to be EXTRA tight and that shit test should be handled with veracity and cunning with the expectation that if you pass this one she’s yours and if you fail you’re gone.
The normal response I tell guys to use are these:
Her: How tall are you or you’re kinda short
You: Look at you trying to decide if you wanna sleep with me. You’re pervy!
You: I’m way too short for you. I’m like the shortest man in the Universe. But foreplay never has to be laying down.
You: Why? Do like foreplay standing up?
or
Self deprecating humor which is at nuclear!
Her: How tall are you or you’re kinda short
You: You’re pervy. Trying to figure out how “Big” I am? (use you thumb and index finger about a centimeter apart). I’m like this big if I’m really excited but I last really long so it kinda balances out!
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“I would venture to say that being overly short in a woman’s eyes is almost just as bad as living at home with your Mommy.” I check both these boxes of doom. Yay! I think it’s worse that I’m obese, though. I’ve always thought of that as the ultimate game killer and laughed at any guy who wasn’t fat, but still complained about not getting laid. Seriously, to me, it is fat guys on one side, whom no amount of game could ever save (only extreme wealth or status, which is unrealistic), and every other guy on the other side with equal chances. I believe (without proof, because I’ve never experienced this) that if I weren’t fat I could approach all day, every day, without letting a single rejection faze me in the slightest, and, ultimately, slay, despite being 5’7″ tall. Is confidence the real issue here, regardless of whether your root insecurity involves weight, height, status, or anything else? Could I slay now if I simply gave myself permission to feel the confidence I’m imagining in my post-fat fantasies?, or do physical, emotional, and social characteristics actually matter, to the point that if you have enough of them going against you, you’re screwed? If it’s the latter, where’s the tipping point? Do you have to at least be “average”-looking before game kicks in?
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nothing about being fat prevents you from approaching. Lets say you are right that until you drop a few no woman on planet earth is going to sleep with you. You can still approach. It is all practice. The more you do it the sooner it is FUN to talk to girls. Ask them if they have some crepe-soled shoes cause you might have to sneak them past your mom. Or ask them strait out, “How vocal is your orgasm? Mom got annoyed with the last chick rattling the windows.” It won;t get you laid but the grins will be priceless.
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I’m 5’7″ and 210 lbs but had no trouble laying attractive women even when I was 250.
Look, losing weight makes it easier but confidence is # 1, ALWAYS. It is the quintessence of manliness, just as beauty and submissiveness are for femininity. It is the cornerstone of attraction.
And, sorry, but 5’7″ ain’t that short. Below average, below optimal, ok. But if you let it stop you from approaching, you are deluding yourself.
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Reminds me of a male colleague who was told by a young lady: you have very small feet!
He replied: look, there is no relationship between the size of the feet and the size of ANY other part of the body!
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Frame would be critical in making a comment like this. Done incorrectly, it will backfire.
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In my experience, height isn’t nearly as limiting as some guys would have you believe. That being said, it also leaves much less “wiggle room” than a tall guy may have.
It’s important to stay fit, dress for your height, etc… Things tall guys can’t get away with more, short guys can’t. But it’s not really a big deal. Men should put more effort into themselves anyway. Develop personality, body, and so on.
But I’ve had multiple girls tell me, “I can’t believe I like you so much… I’ve never been the taller one before.”
It’s all about the frame. Maintain it.
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Here’s the best and fastest tip for putting more effort into yourself: Buy beautifully made shoes – and keep a shine on them.
This was told to me by a professional maitre’d who was an expert at instantly judging people – and I’ve yet to see it fail – It’s the last thing most dudes would concern themselves with – and the first thing hot babes notice.
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Easy ioi … If you can’t afford good leather Edward green and up, go with suede. Women eat it up. And most guys don’t wear suede. Contrast =alpha.
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Check out the HBO series Game of Thrones. The dwarf Tyrion has the best overconfidence game I’ve seen on television. Any guy can learn a few things from that little dude.
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Any guy with a scriptwriter, a father who is the Hand of the King and owner of all Gold in the land, and a pre-renaissance world where bullshitting others is pretty simple to do, could definitely learn a lot.
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um no. he’s rich & comes from a rich family. “a lannister always pays his debts” $>height.
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Ummm…no to you. Tyrion has the best overall attitude.
With his family’s wealth, he could just act the cruel male “cunt”, but he’s pure alpha, with his negs and general attitude.
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He is a gamma male that never fucked a chick that he didn’t pay for.
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@ho
Precisely.
Tyrion has some charm, but a stone-cold Alpha, he is not.
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And in the books, he admits that if he wasn’t born to a rich family, he would have been sold to a circus.
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Ugly women can boost their value by not getting fat and by being feminine. Being skinny vaults a dogface past half of American women, and personality counts, especially with MMV.
[CH: thin is, or should be, the default size of prime fertility women. if ugly women can increase their SMV (by a small increment) by staying thin, it’s only because their competition have unnaturally handicapped their SMV by getting fat.]
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“[CH: thin is, or should be, the default size of prime fertility women. if ugly women can increase their SMV (by a small increment) by staying thin, it’s only because their competition have unnaturally handicapped their SMV by getting fat.]”
Never has there been a time in American history that an ugly girl has the opportunity to up her SMV simply by being thin because of the obesity epidemic.
The woman with one chin in the land of the warpig is Queen.
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Now flip that around and apply it to short guys: “Never has there been a time in American history that a short guy has the opportunity to up his SMV simply by being Masculine because of the Beta panty-waist effeminacy loser epidemic.”
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Well to be honest, an ugly girl can only really make her more attractive to the betas she doesn’t want to begin with. Alphas already have options of thin and attractive women. That’s probably why they you are seeing all these chicks lard out is because they don’t need to be thin to have dick and comforts and being thin really doesn’t help that much in securing any kind of commitment from alphas, at best they will be a last resort cum dumpster for them.
Also the point about short guys benefiting from guys turning into manginas. Well that kind of more applies to the fat 80 percent of betas. Short guys that want hotties will be competing with the top 20 percent that aren’t prone to be feminized.
It’s a rich get richer, poor get poorer kind of thing we see in our current market.
Still ugly girl that gets thin definitely has a much better shot at quality than she did in the past. I see average plain janes with studs on paper all the time especially in the DC area. We have be the capital of should be alphas but act like phaggots at least when it’s concerns relationships with girls.
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Gotta include a Cupid Schmupid link to a short man game post, Heartiste.
If you’re short, you probably had to put up with a lot of shit growing up, so you should already have an alpha edge in that respect. If not, do some MMA and you’ll feel better about yourself knowing you can choke out many of the taller, bigger dudes around you. That feeling like you are the shit and better than the 6 foot dudes translates to your outer aura and girls can pick that up.
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Danger Will Robinson – I don’t care if you’re a tenfold black belt in kung-karat-jud-jujit-korean-brazilian-WTFE-gook-fu: If you try to pick a fight with a dude who is too much larger than you, then he will put you in your grave. There’s a reason that they have weight classes. Know your limits.
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“tenfold black belt in kung-karat-jud-jujit-korean-brazilian-WTFE-gook-fu”
Lolzolz
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When I was in college, I knew this medium-tall slenderish guy who was an umpteenth-degree Black Belt in some-damned-thing-or-another. And there was also this starting offensive left tackle on the football team, who eventually became a first team All-American and was drafted in the first round of the NFL draft. And one night, the two of them were in [or just outside of] one of the most popular watering holes in town, and for whatever reason, All-American, with a closed fist, hauled off and bitch-smacked Black Belt, and broke every bone in his face. The sentiment at the time was that it was unprovoked, but I wonder now, in retrospect, whether Black Belt might have tried to use eye contact [or other verbal/non-verbal cues] in order to establish AMOGness, but instead experienced near-fatal Epic Failure.
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if you aren’t up for becoming mr alphatude or changing yourself, you can still cope with height issues. easiest way? some races are just shorter, and some cultures value height less.
if you really want to maximize what you can get, hit asia. i spent a long time there and multiple women commented on how they liked me ok despite my being ‘too tall’. the guys they pointed out as attractive were (to me) pale, skinny, nerds. but they liked the light skin, dark hair, and less-muscular physiques.
at least for guys, there are no excuses for not getting what you want.
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I suggest to my short male friends that they date Hispanic women or move to a Hispanic country to teach English. Hispanic women are really short, and don’t care if you’re 5’5″ – 5’8″. They’re more likely to put out, and they LOVE a White man with a US passport and a job.
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I was in Chiapas for a few months some years ago, in a very rural part. At one point I and several others accompanied a group of women in walking to a neighboring town.
Holy cow! I hadn’t noticed this before, but when were were all striding down the way it was obvious that none of the ladies were even as tall as my armpit. For a 5’6″ American guy this was quite unusual.
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“I suggest to my short male friends that they date Hispanic women or move to a Hispanic country to teach English. Hispanic women are really short, and don’t care if you’re 5’5″ – 5’8″. They’re more likely to put out, and they LOVE a White man with a US passport and a job”
yep, i prefer latin girls to asians. asians are usually thin so that’s a bonus but i don’t really like their facial features much. just not attractive to me. they usually have flat asses and to be honest, i find asian speech really hard on the ears. couldn’t handle being around that very long i don’t think.
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I actually wasn’t thinking about their physical appearances when I said what I said. The reason why Hispanic girls in their own countries are easy to get is cause their countries generally have a female heavy gender ratio. This also happens in Eastern Europe and anywhere where Black people live.
The other thing is that the Asian countries that are actually worth living in are also the ones where being a White man from a Western country and having a job don’t mean much. Singapore/Hong Kong/South Korea/Japan are on par with the average European country and Taiwan is on par with the average Southern European country.
When you play the relative height game, gender ratio game, and 1st world country game, sometimes you don’t need any actual game to get a girl.
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Theyre built like Spongebob
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There are some very beautiful Asian women and most are petite. I live in Taiwan and Chinese is a difficult language, especially writing and reading. The women here are a bit shy, but will let you know if they’re interested. You have a pretty good shot at any woman that you’re interested in. The Japanese and Korean languages are not as difficult as Chinese because they’re not tonal. Written/printed Korean is alphabetic, while Japanese is partly alphabetic. Japanese women are not shy and will approach you and, in general, speak English much better than the men. SE Asian languages are mostly tonal, but most Filipinas can speak English and many/most have Hispanic blood.
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The built in advantage, as pointed out on this blog many times over, is that when a short guy gets his game down, the contrast is so strong that it’s easy to stand out (heh) over the taller guys just leaning on looks, situational efforts, social circle etc.
Sort of like how there’s that one white guy hanging with a bunch of black dudes because they all know “that cracker is a crazy motherfucker, damn!” No one wants to fuck with him because he’s proven himself in one way or another, and he puts off that vibe that he’s willing to go to the wire any time of the day aka he “doesn’t care”, he has “let go” of what others think. And it’s not like the guy has to reaffirm how badass he is…other people just know and give him his space.
If you’re a short guy reading this and are new to the scene, here’s a reality that most taller/good looking guys don’t want you to know: they are scared. They lean on their brand (h/t TD) and don’t ever have to take a lot of risks to get girls. This catches up to them eventually because once they get into relationships or, worse, married, the girl will test her man over and over to see if he really is a “man” or the beta they suspect him to be.
Here’s your homework: Go to a bar tonight. Spot the hottest girl. Walk right up to her without hestitating, ask her “Is this bar the only one on this block that serves old fashioned’s?” Or whatever nontypical drink you can think. Bonus points if you can interrupt her talking to her friends or another guy. (When I get in my head, rusty game or whatever, this is exactly what I do to shake up my mind and get back to my “normal” instead of society’s normal aka buy into their bullshit.)
Here’s what you need to pay attention to: her eyes. If you do this 10 times, you will have more than a few super hot girls with a spark and I promise you they are thinking “who the fuck is this guy?” They will be pleasantly intrigued. Why? Almost no guy does this. And the ones that do are the ones she already expects would. You? You’re like the twist in her favorite TV show that she never saw coming, but always hoped would.
Further homework: reframe EVERYTHING in your mind to your favor. Girl was being bitchy to you? It’s fine, she knew your alphaness would be too smooth for her. Girls briefly glanced at you when you walked into the coffee shop? Yes, they want that dick just like the rest do.
I’ve been doing this shit so long now that I absolutely despise everything that is average. An average existence. An average girl. An average job. Everything. I opted out and couldn’t feel better.
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“I promise you they are thinking “who the fuck is This guy?””
So much this. I explained it to a Chinese friend of mine. Lo and behold he approached a tall blonde nyc model (verified when he showed me her fb request afterward) and she was intrigued by the mere fact that this Chinese dude with barely passable English had the stones to approach in broad day.
Seen it happen myself too via day game. The shorter you are and the hotter the girl and I guarantee that you have a better shot because they don’t expect it from you.
1) are you short?
2) try day game.
3) approach hotties only
4) see what happens
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Contrast = Alpha. In everything… It’s often just that easy, what would be contrasting in this situation ??? Do that. Instant alpha.
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So how did Lo make out?
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I was 4’11 and 72 lbs when I went into high school. I learned quick that the prettier girls were bemused by my approach and the wallflowers would shut me out. Always approach the girl that YOU find the most attractive. Settling shows and it throws off your vibe.
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Yup.
As I alluded to above. The height barrier diminishes significantly in a day game environment.
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ripp quit being a butthurt fuck. lol jesus.
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“Scared”? Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Short Guy hamsters are busy in this thread.
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Was getting AMOG’d by a short guy a recent wound or was it just especially close to the bone?
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Short guys have mice rationalizers, not hamsters.
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Or you could just punch her in the twat. It’d be easy to get a good uppercut in there, being a short guy and all.
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Try it and report back.
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+1
Just spit coffee on my keyboard
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I hit a woman in the head a couple of times while we were dancing. She has since been chasing me for months. Caveman Dance Game.
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More details, please! Lucky accident, or on purpose?
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Accident, lol. She kept asking me to dance from then on. Actually, she was always into me.
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Hilarious!
I was at a big summer event last year with a bunch of my high school classmates. One of the ladies — really the hottest one there in terms of attitude and perhaps in looks too — was sitting in a chair with some other people and I came by to say hi to her. Well, for some reason I stumble a bit and just by accident grabbed her hair.
WHOA did her eyes light up! So (borrowing a line from Miles Davis — “If you blow a wrong note, blow it again so you know they meant it!”) I gave her hair another purposeful meaningful tug.
Whoa and double whoa. If my wife had not also been in attendance, there’s no doubt where this would have gone.
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When is someone considered short?
shorter than the prospect, below 6 foot…?
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It comes down to this (for women): If you’re as tall as her when she wears heels, you’re tall.
If you’re shorter than her when she wears flats, you’re short.
And none of this matters if you have tight game.
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Perfect.
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Nailed it.
Go to any East Coast US city and count the number of women 5’8′ or so, with husbands or BF’s a couple inches shorter.
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6’3 Master Race reporting in:
Feelsgoodman.
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I need to print that on my t-shirt and wear it every day
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Hilarious. Is that Orson Welles?
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Most men think they are 1-2 inches taller than they actually are and include their shoes and hair in the measurement. This skews the perception of height, especially in America where everyone is a bullshitter. A true 5’10 barefooted man is actually above average in height and a lot of people would say he’s around six foot.
Women are less likely to embellish their height, which is why you hear funny stories of a 5’8 broad towering over the allegedly 5’10 dude she met online when they finally see each other in person.
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Women are complete retards with concern to accurately accessing height. I’m 5’11.5 without shoes. I get told I’m ‘tall’ by them. I’m just smirk inside because I’m not tall, I’m simply not a manlet.
6 foot is code for not being a wimpy little pussy. I’m sure that if you’re 5’8 and jacked they will perceive you to be taller as well which is why guys wisely bulk themselves out when they are short.
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i think a short man is more equivalent to a bitchy woman. looks (height) are not the main thing women look for in men, just as personality is not the main thing men look for in women. although of course it certainly helps for a man to be not short and for a woman to be not bitchy.
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It’s good to keep in mind that Putin, Napoleon, Sarkozy were/are all short men.
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You left out the capo di tutti capi, Silvio Berlusconi, who rates at 5’5.”
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Dominique Strauss-Kahn (former head of the IMF involved in a major sex scandal) 5’7″
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Napoleon wasn’t short.
You also forgot Stalin.
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Five-seven, according to the brit sawbones who got to interfere with him on his deathbed, not the reported five-two.
Sort of “meh”, by the scurvied, toothless and wizened standards of the age.
There’s a deal of recherche confusion over various pre-metric customary units, and Boney’s own diabolical sort-of-metric system.
Foolishly surrounded himself with Imperial Guard giants in even taller hats, at all times.
Nelson, now there was a short guy.
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Game can overcome any weakness, but of course a 6’1” guy has a MASSIVE advantage over a 5’7” guy. Everything on this blog can be synthesized and fits the following principle like math: in every area regarding a man, women want the man to “just get it” without either appearing to be “try hard” or even actually being “try hard” (the 5’7” guy who lifts weights near-obsessively and gets ripped, because he has to, gets no credit from women, of course, and is often made fun of). I once tried to explain this to a very smart women who seems to actually prove in some ways that NAWALT, but even she could not get it.
Women want a *naturally* big (big boned, broad shouldered) guy: 6’1” or 6”2”, but “thin” and has not lifted weights very much, but yet still weighs 190 or even 200, because he’s just a big boned guy (think Jim Carrey – 6’2”, 200 pounds, has never seen a weight room in his life). Women, of course, admit this without realizing that they admit it (watch what they do, not what they say).
The 6’2”, 200 pound “thin” “natural” lean dude who was blessed with great genetics, given other appropriate characteristics (good face, square jaw, blue eyes, good hair) is seen as “hot” by any woman and that dude starts out with MASSIVE advantage over the 5’7” jacked (for his size) gym rat. Women make fun of the 5’7” ripped dude. He’s seen as a “cheeseball” even though it’s not his fault he’s 5’7” and small framed. That dude has worked his ass off, both with exercise and diet, and achieved a ripped physique, but he might still be 5’7” and 150 pounds, well defined shoulders and abs. You know that dude. Well so many women today are 5’7” and 130 themselves (25% body fat). The little 5’7” dude is at a massive disadvantage.
Now, the good news is that there are plenty of little cutie women 5’0” to 5’3” who actually can be intimidated by a huge guy. So perhaps there is someone for everyone.
Good friend of mine from college is 5’7”, not a gym rat, but always had funny alpha personality. That dude ended up married to an 8 who has given him 3 kids. Now the anti-marriage contingent of this comment section might see marriage, at all, in this day and age as beta, but many would agree that this dude did quite well for himself marrying a very cute little 5’3” woman who has given him three kids.
But if we are talking about pickup like the PUAs here want to talk about, the 5’7” dude, even ripped and well dressed, has a MASSIVE disadvantage starting out compared to the 6’2” “natural” who’s body “just gets it” and gave him 200 lbs and broad shoulders even though he doesn’t even lift. It’s not just height but natural size. 190 pound guy (who’s lean, not fat – tall and 190) simply has many more options than the 150 pound guy. The small guy *needs* a little “spinner” so that both he and she can feel appropriately manly/womanly as nature intended.
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I like how you’re whole argument devolves down to be this guy and everything will be cool. Thanks for the tip brah.
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The “natural” 6’2″ never goes to the gym but looks great guy is a rare bird. You might as well class him with professional athletes, musicians, and movie stars and assume that the advantages are many and that you’re not in direct competition with him.
And one of the best players I’ve ever known is maybe 5’2″ ripped to shreds black guy first generation Jamaican American – weighs 180-190. His parents are medical doctors so he speaks American English correctly. He’s got a fun, life of the party personality – call him the straw that stirs the drink. I think a lot of smaller guys who are gym rats take on a dour personality and that (rather than the physique) telegraphs to women “I’m compensating.” I think the point is that your look and physique need to be integrated into the whole rather than a crutch that’s pulling along the rest of your low quality attributes.
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LOL at the black factor:
1. black is cool today due to MSM indoctrination, especially if he can speak English
2. if he’s 5’2″ and ripped and 190, then he’s got massive, super thick, awesome quads like an NFL running back, that only black guys have the genes for (Barry Sanders type body). That’s NFL running back stuff. No white man in history has achieved anything close to that with the thighs, and even with steroids only about 2 white men in history have even gotten close. A ripped 5’2″ white guy will weigh 130, tops, without steroids and 155, tops, with massive gear usage. No 5’2″ white guy who’s ripped (not fat) has ever weighed anything close to 190 pounds with that kind of thickness in the legs.
Your friend is in the NFL running back freak category if he’s 5’2″ and 190 and ripped.
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@anon 8:48: I question your assumptions. I’m white, 5’4″, 170#, <10%BF and I'm an office worker who's never even bothered with creatine, let alone steroids. (OK, yes, I do martial arts on the side, but my point is I'm not even a fulltime athlete; hell, I'm not trying especially hard. My strength training is like 10m a day.)
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With online dating, you are spot-on. I’ve found it to be a waste of time.
But you overstate the real-world effect of a 6-inch height difference; profoundly so, if the shorter guy has real confidence, dresses well and is in shape. You have to give proper effect to the equalizers that actually close the deal.
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Alexander the Great was 5’2″
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In a world where everybody else was 5’0″
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The stoopid is strong with this one! “everyone else was more like 5’6′ to 5’8′. The little ones usually died in childhood.
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Actually, SC is right. The average male height 2000 years ago — about 300 years after Alexander the Great — was around 5’1″. Humans have been getting taller throughout recorded history. And, by most estimates I’ve seen, Alexander the Great was actually around 5’6″ — which would be roughly the equivalent of a 6’3″-6’4″ guy today.
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Peter the Great was 6’6″. And epileptic. A stone cold freak, especially in those days.
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Floyd was thinking ‘Please God, give me the power to not knock this sloot out’.
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Stood next to her in her tennis shoes. She must be 6 1. My wife was with me, I said something about her being too tall (i’m 5’10). My wife cocked her eye at me “intimidated?”
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How much you willing to bet she did that to relieve her anxiety over looking like Yao Ming next to Floyd.
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We forget sometimes that tall girls are as insecure as short men. I once approached a tall girl, and told her, “You play the supermodel, and I’ll play the guy everyone assumes has a huge dick,”
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Stolen….!
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Suggests a variant for age gap:
Her, 20: “You’re too old for me.”
You, 50: “What are you talking about? I’m 25.
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You: that’s racsist.
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Then she can say: so when you’ll be 50, you’ll look 100?
A much better reply would be: but you are not too young for me!
Or: how would you know?
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When I started life over again I was 46. What worked when age finally came up:
“I am far too old,”
“Come, on..how old ARE you??”
“Look, I am probably twice your age…” or alternatively, “I am old enough to be your father!” I NEVER ask them how old the are. sometimes that statement is true.
“Seriously, how old are you?”
“I am like a half a century on this earth.”
they do the math….
..i wait…
“Nuh uh! you can’t be fifty!” (I am fairly lean, but not old man lean, shaved head and beard, no worries I am way more salt then pepper)
‘Well I am 46…that is close enough…”
Then their hamster kicks in and decides why at 23 they should consider a guy that actually is older than their dad.
Usually it is a curiosity thing, Somewhere on their bucket list is ‘fuck a dirty old man that isn’t completely gross.”
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“tall dark & handsome” notice how “tall” is listed first?
it’s funny how people are listing short millionaires & heads of state as evidence that height doesn’t matter. height matters, game matters, looks matter. but game won’t trump height unless she’s getting ready to hit the wall.
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You’re not getting it. Their game/personality is integrated and the reason that, for example, Berlusconi is wealthy, politically powerful and successful with women all emanate from the same source within him. The ability to attain status and the status itself can’t be divorced.
Second, “dark” is listed before handsome. If the oft repeated axiom is infallible, we should expect that tall and handsome but lighter haired men are not getting laid. Yes, that’s as preposterous as it sounds.
If you’re taking this position because you’re tall and you want to emphasize it – that’s all fine and well, but you’re deluding yourself if you believe that you can’t be outclassed by shorter men with tighter game.
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“Game won’t trump height.”
Can’t prove it, but I think this is wrong, and the fact that it’s wrong is the whole point of game.
Nothing extreme, just imagine two groups of guys who differ in only two ways. One group is composed of guys 6′, the other guys are 5’6″. The tall guys have average game, ie they have beta game, the short guys have supreme alpha game. I think the short guys will pull more and better p00sy.
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Nearly all the RSD squad are short guys.
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And the Cupid schmupid guy is like 5 2.
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This is interesting bc girls I’ve hooked up with tend to be tall and usually mention my height (5 ’10) during a date or after we’ve hooked up. I think they are just doing it as a test for confidence but whatever.
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If you’re 5’10”, which is right around the average, if not over, that’s definitely what they’re doing.
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This song describes perfectly the attitude u should have
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Interesting read:
https://manualformen.wordpress.com/
https://manualformen.wordpress.com/page/2/
https://manualformen.wordpress.com/page/3/
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When a guy is taller than a woman and she is standing close to him and looking up at him to see his face, she FEELS like he is superior to her… (reality will eventually trump appearances, but short term, if it works go with it!) For a short guy, he has to actually BE superior.
I have dated several woman who are taller than I am, one by several inches. A guy friend once asked
“How do you handle it? Dating someone taller than you?”
I turned to the girl and asked “Are you taller than me?” feigning in credulousness. She just grinned in delight.
Another announced early in the going “I could never date someone shorter than me.” Post hoc hampster backpedaling: “You have a very tall presence.”
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Take an axe and chop off her feet so that you can be taller.
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my dancer girlfriend’s best friend (who was the replacement when the dancer found a permanent guy..) believed in past lives. She was about 5’6″ to my 5’8″ and as an ex-ballerina always on heels. She looks at me intently once (knowing my one woman for the first 4 decades of my life history) and says, “You are a very sexual person. I sense that you fucked a LOT of women in your past lives and you were given this body to give women a chance.”
So later, she was not fucking a short guy, she was fucking an Adonis consigned to my mortal form as punishment for being so damned sexy.
You do not have to justify yourselves to women. They are delighted to provide you the legend required.
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5’3″ here andd.. I use my height to my advantage. It allows me to be very physically forward and escalate at the right times.
My typical response to the question: “6 foot on stilts” with a straight face.
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“I grow 7 inches in bed.”
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Haha, awesome. I’m using that next time
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Yeah COTW candidate.
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Since age, not height, is my ‘handicap’, I keep coming back to it. This one could crossover too.
Her: “Aren’t you kind of old?”
“I’m 18 in bed.”
Thanks.
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Easier to move into closer space and reach the checkpoint with a girl without being noticed by the borefriend.
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I saw that comment the other day and plan to use it. Really well done Mr. Tip.
As a shorter guy who gets lots of tail, it is definitely all about frame. Goes back to the concept of irrational confidence. Work out, dress sharp and have a good haircut…..control the variables you can.
And expect that taller women (who are already self conscious about their height) will likely not be interested.
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I think I may have read here a comment that struck me at the time and that some experience as at least partially true – that is, taller/larger women can have proportionately larger lady parts, which is a source of their anxiety. On a six footer, you could have a catcher’s mitt down there.
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Maybe I’ll try that…
“Hey, I heard tall chicks have deeper pussies. I keep bottoming out in short chicks…”
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Yup. Whenever chics start cackling in on the whole dick size banter to try and group-emasculate the men around I go straight to a salvo of “big vagina” volleys:
-just because you have a big vagina dont hate on guys with small penis. that’s why I like girls with small hands, makes penis look big (in Asian accent)
-I hooked up with this chic once and her clit was so big it looked like Jaba the Hut rowing in a canoe (this is a great one to interrupt with. Just blurt it out in middle of her thread).
-you ladies really need to do more kegel exercises
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Don’t enourage them! There are enough angry little guys snapping at my heels in the bars here as it is.
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Step your game up
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A common problem for short guys is that they often turn Short Man Game into Angry Dwarf Game, especially when they’ve had a few. Angry at the world.
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I don’t laugh at people doing the whole muscled up aggressive short man thing anymore now that I understand it.
They have to do that. If they don’t they get rolled over. It’s not that they necessarily want to and a lot of the time it’s a provoked response by a guy that is an actual asshole not simply a cool guy that jealous people call an asshole.
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In my experience, tall guys are the ones who get pissy when things don’t go their way. The easiest guy to AMOG is the natural out of his element, and a lot of tall guys are naturals because they lean so hard on their height. You put them in a situation where people aren’t responding to it like they should and they become super butthurt and reactive.
You have to see it in real life to believe it.
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^^^ Scray gets it
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It’s a hard knock life experiencing your strained farts at eye level
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Angry? Someone is projecting. An “angry dwarf” as you characterize them would only make you look tall and serene. “Me thinks the lady doth protest to much.”
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He wouldn’t be straining at a gnat if his life was really that transcendent.
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To neg a tall woman, make references to petite, cute girls.
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“You’re way too fucking short for me, sorry” always gets laughs
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Yeah, even 5’7″ women are very self-conscious and usually consider themselves too tall. Get above that and it’s very rare to find one with good posture, because she’s been slouching her entire life.
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What’s up giraffe
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P.S. Check out Daniel Rose. He’s like 5’6″ yet he wrote Sex God Method and kills it. Check out his demeanor and attitude (not the scrub introducer dude). It’s all about Frame:
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Several years ago I dated a striking Ukrainian volleyball player–who, at 6’4″, was a little taller than me–just to see if I could. As beautiful as she was, I noticed her subtly slouching a bit, as if she was trying to meet my height.
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Make her always duck-walk in your presence.
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I’m 6’2″ and I did the same — dated a Swedish girl who was 6’4″. She had a perfect hourglass figure, but her vagina was monstrous.
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Here’s a non-game solution to getting girls if you’re short: go to any Hispanic country and stay there.
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cosigned
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Asia too. I’d love to meet a girl who’s about 170 cm, but there are hardly any.
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The suffering of short men on dating websites is acute, since game counts for less online and all women naturally want tall men. Short men are easily filtered out and ignored. This is why you must go out to meet women. I think day game would the best for short men, with nightclub action being worst after online dating. This is because your game is hindered in loud environments, so looks matter more.
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yeah…I had a chick ask me twice in a row how tall i was. Was VERY important to her. So she could filter.
My response was to ask her how much she weighed. I have my filters too, no? She got PO’d at that…was “ungentlemanly.” And she said 165ish. So I told her she was way too fat for me.
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165 isn’t terrible if she’s extremely tall. That being said, most women are not extremely tall.
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I talked about this above, but this, 100%.
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Short Man got nobody to love.
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A few random observations from decades at an altitude of 5’8″ –
1. Because women’s initial hindbrain reaction to short guys is that they are less manly, it is important that short men adopt as masculine a frame as possible – hit the gym, develop uber alpha body language, speak slowly and deeply, make solid eye contact, etc. These are all good things to develop in general for all men, but it is especially critical for short guys.
2. Develop day game. It is very hard for short men to DHV in noisy settings like night clubs. Back in the day, I never did well in bars. Hypergamy makes you physically invisible amongst all the taller dudes in those places.
3. For whatever reason, I always found that the most difficult targets were short attractive women. It is as if they are subconsciously bound and determined not to have short children, and they have the greatest preference for tall guys (I’m the product of such a pairing, between a 5’1″ italian spinner and a 6’2″ three sport college athlete). I came to have greater confidence of success with women in the 5’5″ – 5’7″ range.
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An add-on: my observations suggest that the biggest Height Queens of all are extremely attractive short woman, ie., the ones with the most options. Find a smoking hot tiny woman and you’ll quite often see her with a man who towers over her by a foot. Plainer short women, with fewer options, less so.
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One more – when I was a much younger man, I sometimes pondered a hypothetical dilemma of whether or not I would have been willing to trade two inches of my dick in order to be 5’10”. No doubt it would have improved my notch count.
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Not in my case. I game strippers and they sit in my lap before they see how tall I am…grin
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Danzig is short….just saying.
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Both him and Henry Rollins also get made fun of for short and jacked with accusations of ‘little man syndrome’.
I’m a solid 5’11 without shoes so I’m neither short nor tall but I don’t laugh at short guys anymore knowing what kind of agony it brings.
Also being short and getting jacked and aggressive is actually necessary for short guys so mocking little man syndrome is like mocking non rock/movie stars for running game and being like “True alphas don’t approach chicks, chicks come to them”.
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Ya they get made fun of…..okay?
The reason people make fun of people who create value is because they realize that they aren’t creating any value. So, they try to find some reason to put down the other person.
It’s meaningless.
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Came for the pathetic “just move to AZN or spic shithole” comments. Was not disappointed.
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At least they’re not advising short guys to join the circus.
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Look, if other people want to date Hispanic ladies, then so be it. Save the WN BS for stormfront.
Also, not all Coloured countries are shitholes. Japan/South Korea/Taiwan/Singapore look to be just as decent as the average White country.
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It’s not that simple. Game is not just about pulling chicks, it’s about pulling the most beautiful chicks you are capable of. And race and beauty are commingled.
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/08/12/are-white-women-the-gold-standard-in-beauty/
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Shoujdln’t you go back to MPC and argue the merits of No Fault Divorce?
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Is “shoujdln’t” some kind of mystery meat term? Sorry, I don’t speak Mestizo.
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Oh come on, you lame ass.
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I used to go with the standard ‘no I’m just really far away.’
Now, I usually don’t say anything. If you’re talking with a bunch of people and a girl blurts out ‘you’re really short’ or something, the game is pretty much already won. She wouldn’t say it unless she wasn’t starting to feel something and trying to shut it down. Optimal response is to raise your eyebrows and laugh. If you do it right, she will try to justify what she said ‘well I just mean, uh…’ and you just sit there with a smirk until she finishes. Then when she’s done, continue talking. It’s almost guaranteed she will approach you later under the pretense of an apology that itself will lead into one romantic entreat or another.
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I am a superhero…I can have deep conversations with your fake boobs without blinking…
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I’m a millimeter shy of 6′ 2″, but here’s a retort for me short bros… spoken in your best exaggerated Shakespearean accent:
“Ah, m’lady… ’tis better to have loved a short man than never to have loved a tall.”
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Short Man got no reason to live.
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A line from a song by a rather mediocre singer. These days probably best known for being made fun of by Family Guy,
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I once told a hottie thst life was too short…she replied and so are you.
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“I’m pretty tall when I stand on my wallet.”
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How about a post on tall, handsome, well-endowed man game. It’s been tough out there lately…
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We need a post on Big Bulge Game, too.
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Bogart in The big sleep…
17yo nypho… Your not very tall are you?
Boggie… Well I try to be.
Shortest guy I know is about 5’4 with very average looks.The tallest is 6 ’10 with chiseled looks. The former has super tight game and often has 2 or more models chrashing at his pad. The latter who has zero game, just got married (against my advice) to a grumpy high digit bitch, about three inches away from the wall.
TIGHT GAME TRUMPS ALL
btw… The modle-banger’s come back to the inevitable shit test is…
You’re not very tall are you?
The more you get to know me… the taller I get ,)
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Could always take the salami out of your pocket. Just sayin’.
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@CarpeOro
Gay.
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My buddy replied to one woman, “I’m not short, I’m long.” I couldn’t stop laughing.
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LOL… wrote the above on phone in the back of a cab.
Forgot to mention… the buddy banging young hot models is 41yo and the lanky chump (only joking Phil) is 26yo.
Both have a similar income.
I’ll say it again, for the hard of hearing….. When it comes to your future happiness, as a man….. TIGHT GAME TRUMPS ALL
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‘im taller where it counts’ is the best reframe i think for this situation
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How about Mini-Me from Austin Powers? He had some wicked short man game.
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I notice a lot of the time that it is the feminists that demand tall men. Just keep that in mind, that in my somewhat educated guess, you would be more likely to see a fat or old feminist desiring taller men to responses of “you go girl”! than not. Notice that sperm donors for the working mothers tend to be taller. I say to hell with them.
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http://www.shortsupport.org/Resources/index.html
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I think that men and women have different attitudes to height. For men, it’s more about relative height: i prefer girls 4 inches shorter to 1 inch taller than me (the latter are pretty rare) and I would probably still prefer that differential if I was 4 or 5 inches shorter. Basically I like women as tall as possible as long as I don’t feel short by comparison. For women, it’s about what’s available: any man shorter than the male average will look short to them, though very tall girls probably don’t want a man who makes them stick out like a sore thumb.
I like tall women because they are more of a challenge, but I also think that they are more likely to secretly desire to be dominated: they don’t get many chances of that. Of course you have to handle it carefully: it’s ok to assume the sale, but if you’re pushy with a woman taller than you then you can look ridiculous.
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I’m not so sure this is as big (heh) an issue as you make out.
I’m 5 foot 6. Just as women taller than me don’t find me attractive, I’ve rarely been sexually attracted in person to a woman taller than me. I might appreciate that she is pretty, sexy etc, but no women taller than me has ever passed the boner test. We are self selecting each other out of contention.
Being short means that there is a higher bar to cross to get into play (this is where game comes in) but once you have built attraction most women’s demands for a 6 foot guy quickly get rationalized into simply ‘he must be taller then me’.
I’m in the UK where the average height of women is 5 foot 3 inches. If I can’t get a women when about 60% of them are shorter then me, the problem isn’t my height, it’s my game.
I’m not having a pop but this is not the first time that I have come across taller guys assuming that being short is a serious issue in getting with women. It means you have to put more work in and make more effort perhaps, but ultimately women are women. They crave to submit to a man worthy of their submission. Be that man and they will rationalize away your shortness, the same way they rationalize away any bit of reality that doesn’t fit the narrative they are following in their head.
I will say though, that really short girls are the ones that are most insistent on taller men – I think this is related to regression to the mean. If you are a shorter guy, IME, you are best advised to put your efforts into women who are only 1 to 2 inches shorter than you.
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Puas use her trance words to find out why she wants you to be taller. Maybe she feels safer or maybe more dominated by a taller guy. Be a good little sociopath and play on those desires to make her feel like that is what you give her.
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“Be that man and they will rationalize away your shortness, the same way they rationalize away any bit of reality that doesn’t fit the narrative they are following in their head.”
Get IN! Back’o’th’net!
All else is character-armour.
Brit women are short (also horrendously gobby, and frequently slightly misshapen, in a can’t-quite-put-your-finger-on-it / I-fear-there-are-occult-powers-abroad way, with a fair percentage of crazily-beautiful elf-people at the other end of the curve). But not as short as the French.
It’s the inbreeding, which is the one thing we’re very good at. I believe it’s part of “lineage/pedigree collapse”, in the Crufts-World and the like.
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I ‘m taller laying down than standing up
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Ugly girls under 30 can always improve.
[CH: ugly girls have a very low ceiling on any room for improvement.]
I’ve seen too many before and after pictures of hideous girls turning into 7’s thats it not really that hard.
[i doubt very much you’ve seen hideous girls turning into 7s. not without extreme photographic special effects.]
Anorexia alone can fix a lot of problems.
[?]
But anorexia, 20k in plastic surgery, and decent style acument can make 99% of all females into modern day 9’s.
[ok i get it. this was a troll.]
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I’ve seen too many before and after pictures of hideous girls turning into 7’s thats it not really that hard.
[i doubt very much you’ve seen hideous girls turning into 7s. not without extreme photographic special effects.]
It’s possible, but only if when you say “hideous”, you mean “obese”.
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The game I use as a short assholis erectus is more asshole at first and dominance. Yes you have something to prove but at the same time I relax and have fun as if I did not. You will get sheeeet tested so just get better at passing the shtttttttah tests. Be interesting and stack toward the hookpoint.
Also a short guy has better rapport with short women because he is closer to her eyes. Also easier to joke about being short and small. I like to loudly tell small girls that they make me feel 10 feet tall.
As far as daygum easier than night game this is probably true. When I used to daycum a lot more before I even knew what pua was I did well. But now my night game is almost as advanced and sometimes better. You have to be more resourceful and more focused as well as get out there and practice it more to see where you stand.
Now my biggest problem is establishing deeper rapport from using something called curiosity loops. Jesse Charger wrote an article about it. It is very similar to the multithreaded conversations of Mystery.
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short men/fat women same dating market value
[CH: not quite. fat women suffer an insurmountable SMV hit. short men suffer a setback. it’s a difference of degree.]
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How is it insurmountable? There’s always diet and exercise. The only women with an insurmountable SMV hit are the thin but facially unattractive ones.
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As a man who is 5′ 9″ I definitely back the rule of focusing on women a few inches shorter then you. This will greatly improve your odds.
Also, day game is an absolute necessity for shorter men. If you ever want proof of this go out to a nightclub with loud music. Observe the types of guys who are doing well on the dance floor and throughout the club. They are all 6’2″ plus. As a short man you just fade into the background in such venues. I stopped running game at night years ago because it just wasn’t worth it. Effort as to reward was really low.
There are a few things shorter men can do to appear taller. First, wear clothes that fit you, especially pants. Baggy pants will make a short man appear an inch or two shorter. But, have fitted pants hemmed to no break and you will actually appear an inch taller. You can also get “elevator” shoes or inserts. These will give you anywhere from one to two inches without looking stupid. I tried wearing elevator inserts for awhile and did notice that women looked at me slightly differently (in a good way) when I was wearing them as opposed to not.
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Agreed. Same points I made above.
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On the flip side, short guys get a head start have due to earlier adolescence…
(on average speaking)
oink
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some notes… Been very good lately with “state” and “vibe” using strong body language, laser eyes, boyfriend posture kino – such that there is just a radiance emanating out of me – and would like to find a way to achieve this at will. So been pushing things a bit further and found some limits, which I think will be helpful.
1. Stop in for breakfast. Hostess 23, very slim, very pretty is waitressing. I have seen her a couple times at night. She is serving me from behind the bar. She is just standing there drying glasses, no IOI’s no small talk. I open her with “You look like a dancer”. Now she brightens up, laughs says she does hear that, but no she is a softball player.
I tease her about this, she is too feminine looking. Se continues to brighten, mentions her dad had all girls and he was a jock [note – projection, older man, strong figure]. ask he what position, she says pitcher. I say well you must have a strong arm then. she laughs makes a muscle, says yup. I motion her to come close so I can squeeze it. she laughs more, eyes continue to brighten. I squeeze her arm and laser eye her, I can nearly wrap my hold hand around it. Continue to chat with her while holding her arm. she is getting giddier.
I ask her why she isn’t hostessing, she says she changed to waitress days, and tells me I should come in during the days to see her. I ask her about an upcoming party for a co worker, she says she will probably go. i say well then i will see you there. she smiles and is like “great! see you there!” I leave. Old guy, regular at the corner is looking at me like WTF just happened. It reminded me first of how boring most of a girls interactions are throughout the day, and how you can get a deeper connection when you talk about family, growing up etc.
2. On a plane. Plain tall woman next to me. A little older, married. Not attractive. she is travelling spur of the moment for some family funeral and crisis. It’s amazing how strong male comfort and authority is.. I tell her not to worry about it, that she will have the words and strength to handle the situation and I will help her navigate to her connecting flight. she dissolves… Holds my arm and rests her head on my shoulder most of the flight. I am just sitting calmly. several times she puts her hand on my thigh and pats it. she is thanking me. I show her how to get her connection, she hugs me for like 15 seconds and kisses my cheek. If she was pretty, would have been easy to game her. Strong male authority = sexy. crises = emotion. emotional connection ALWAYS leads to sex if pursued.
3. Go wait for my flight at airport bar. I have the vibe going now, can feel it radiating. Sit next to a girl. can’t see much of her, she has a big floppy hat on and is talking on the phone, so it’s covering her face. so I have a couple of quick drinks for my nap to come on the flight. she puts the phone down and I look at her. Very pretty, 8 territory. also 23. I turn and look at her now, she her brighten a little. i make fun of her “wacky hat” and she starts to laugh says she is hung over from Mardi Gras, coming home from 3 days with her BFF. [note – party girl… increase negs].
I’m teasing her and DHVing about New Orleans, but keeping strong laser eye running. It’s funny because I see her eyes getting wider and I can see that point when she realizes her eyes are getting wider and she is smiling more and can’t quite understand why… As this is happening I cold read her [totally wrong LOL} and tease her about working at The Gap. She is with a mutual fund company, so I tease her about working in a call center. She is laughing. My kino is escalating. she has no problem with my hand on her lower back or my hand on her knee. she keeps sitting up really straight so her tits are fully perking up and running her hands down her sides, so her cardigan sweater is swept back, showing her figure better. we are getting closer, face to face a few inches apart 5 inches maybe. I push the boyfriend posture a bit and go to kiss her.
It’s 12 PM in the middle of a packed airport bar. Bright lights etc. She pulls back and doesn’t kiss me, but is still smiling. We continue to banter. I go to pull her closer in an embrace and she does stiffen at this so I back off. Finish my drink. I tell her to blow off her sister who is picking her up and come hang out with me and show me her city (we are on the same flight) she laughs and says she can’t she is exhausted and needs to shower etc. I tell her we can shower together not a problem. She is still playful but I am still pushing things. I push them too far (for me – she was still playful and into continuing) and cut it off. OK, I say “I think they are calling the flight. See you on board”. Smile. leave. So here is a situation I am glad to have pushed and “failed” because I wanted a 15 minute from intro to make out and couldn’t get there, because I now see how easy it would have been to dial back and increase the comfort and rapport. Hell if I did numbers I think I could have seen her at some point during my stay. Good lesson.
4. walk over to my flight. Still feeling like I’m radiating my vibe (and really buzzed now, which is not what I wanted LOL). Pretty mid 30’s women standing there with an Ash Wednesday mark on her head. I commend her for her devotion and we start to chat. I ask her if her sins are now forgiven, she says yes and is smiling and laughing. i say that’s good now you can start afresh. She is married but is loving the banter. I extend my hand a little and make her reach all the way over. Hold her hand tooo long and ask her to tell me what movie star she is always getting told she looks like. She is bursting now, blushing, smiling, but it is there. Julia Roberts. I tease her about being so modest. she can’t stop smiling, eyes wide. Then I just turn and say,see you on board. 4 guys in line are looking at me like WTF?!? is going on here… Just a random fun interaction. She is from my city, so too close to home, no real game on her.
But an interesting set of interactions. I’m looking forward to mending the comfort/rapport drops into my burgeoning “vibe” game.
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Great field report.
The reaction of other guys watching you playfully breaking every social convention that’s been holding them back from ever approaching women in public is priceless.
I keep meaning to get some cards printed with the CH’s web address on it saying….. Wanna know what just happened… Check this out.
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@sentient
props on pushing those limits…although i didn’t actually see any ‘limits’ that kicked in…lol…more like an understanding of self imposed boundaries…but it’s all good…lol…
on Marde Gras girl, if she was letting you into her personal space to 5 inches face to face/ with hand on her knee…you could have had that 15 minute make out…you just needed to give her some ‘plausible deniability’. the only reason she didn’t kiss you was ASD…once their eyes light up like that, their hindbrain is riding her hamster hard…lol…she just needs an excuse…also, you could have moved up the escalation ladder a little bit…
http://www.vindicarlo.com/DiCarlo%20Escalation%20Ladder%20-%20vindicarlo.com.pdf
soo,
you: hey, how many beads did you get?…
her: [x number]
you: I want one, put it around my neck for me…
[she does]
you: well, i can’t show you anything…right now…so you’ll have to settle for a kiss…
let that sink in, with laser eyes, and then just slide in for the kiss…
or
basic structure for improv…
you: [simple compliance test – hand me that napkin, take off your hat and show me your hair, etc…]
her: [she complies]
you: here’s your reward…[kiss]
good luck!
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I like I like.
The limit was self imposed make out or bust . just to see if I could forgoe comfort etc. Oh well.
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@Sentient – I like these little day to day vignettes. Game in day to day life etc
1. Did you get any shit testing (esp from the girl at the bar) or even any comments about being married? Or your age? I assume you wear a wedding ring?
2. Any tips on building rapport/comfort quickly? Like in that 15-20 min timeframe? Of late I find I build attraction reasonably (although that can be improved too) but fall down on the rapport/comfort. Like for eg, I’m going for a conference soon (not TED, but similar to it). It’s work related so I don’t want to do any overt gaming, but I’ll be meeting a lot of people and want to work on building rapport and comfort quickly
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@culum Struan – the mod cloud has dissipated – hope you get this
“1. Did you get any shit testing (esp from the girl at the bar) or even any comments about being married? Or your age? I assume you wear a wedding ring?”
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In this these sets nothing at all about age or being married. I do wear a ring BTW. I never mention it and in 75% of the interactions, especially with obvious high attraction the girls never mention it either. Another 20% of the time they will raise it, but I can see it is just a huge shit test that they are dying I pass, like they will be coy and point to my ring at some point and raise an eyebrow or be like, uh so you are married? I usually just say – Oh you are admiring my jewelry. That’s nice. Or something like Yeah, 20 years, great woman… etc. Surprisingly that frame is enough to shut it down most of the time. If they keep probing it is usally because they are being compettive and want to know what my wife is like – answer “beautiful”… If they persist further “does she know you are out talking to girls” or something along those lines “I see what I want and I go for it [laser eye – kino]. You’ve never met anyone like me.
The other 5% are just No Married Guys girls, and they will shut down right off the bat, usually very nicely (i’ve heard “you’re really , really handsome” while hugging a girl and have her wave her finger at me “but no no no I don’t go there” that kind of stuff… I assume they have been cheated on in the past, or got caught cheating with a married guy. I have only had one age shit test, not that i don’t look 40 something. was from a 20 YO SJW on a college campus. she still stayed and chatted with me for 30 minutes, but her attitude turned me off and I think that came through.
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“2. Any tips on building rapport/comfort quickly? Like in that 15-20 min timeframe? Of late I find I build attraction reasonably (although that can be improved too) but fall down on the rapport/comfort. Like for eg, I’m going for a conference soon (not TED, but similar to it). It’s work related so I don’t want to do any overt gaming, but I’ll be meeting a lot of people and want to work on building rapport and comfort quickly”
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For comfort and rapport, I still work on that, but the best is to move quickly beyond “what’s expected” both through teasing and playing (flirting it’s called) and by answering unpredictably or asking more personal questions (that list of 36 questions was very good) and cold reads. The over arching result is “holy shit – what just happened here” they feeeeeeeeel like they have made some strange personal connection. This causes the bubble to grow and reinforces it. I get a lot of “who are you?” questions.
So stuff like she asks what do you do and you don’t say “I’m Northeast Regional Design Lead for Megacorp” you say “Is this an interview?” smile and when she says no really what do you do (I think I get this a lot because I am in finance and usually well dressed so they are pinging for beta provider) I go with “Let’s see if you can guess, you seem smart” and then ultimately I will say something like “Bean Farmer” and let that lay there flat serious. and watch her hamster spin, spin spin…. and she will persist and I can cme back with something like “what are you a gold digger?”, but in a fun way.
stuff like that, if you do it, it shows she is fully engaged for one, a solid IOI and also you are miles away from boring stilted interview questions (so she is experiencing fun feelings in your presence) and you can go right into “so if you could do anything at all, what would that be?” type of stuff. and by now you are amping laser eye and strong kino the WHOLE time and she is starting to lose her shit… you cut things off right here, she is often literally a bit breathless.
The transition to personal, non traditional questions is important because not running a comedy routine, only for amusement. You want to transition to future state stuff as well – the two of you “You’ve always wanted to live on a beach in Goa? yeah that would be cool. I could see us there together, you cleaning fish by an open fire and me playing a guitar on the beach… Our kids would be beautiful!”…
AND if you do this in a quasi work environment it’s doubly unexpected and therefore more powerful. Alpha is contrast, in thought word and deed.
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My friends and I were having this conversation recently. She was observing a man who she said is handsome, and I said…I think his friend is more handsome. The man she thought was handsome was only about 5’7. His friend was about 6’1. And I said, does height not matter to you? She said no, as long as they have muscles I prefer a short muscular man than a tall and thin. And my other friend said the same. It was not what i expected to hear, but I noticed that really they were focusing more on the attitude and the face of the man, it was not because they had a preference for short or tall – it was the fact that the short men were agressive types.
Neither of my friends are short. One is 5’5, the other 5’7.
I do not consider 5’9 for a man short, I consider below 5’9 short. Above 5’11 is tall.
I have noticed that many short men tend to be more agressive types. Maybe it is because they instinctively feel they have to compensate for their shorter stature, so they learn to be more dominant from a younger age.
Personaly, I look to the hands. I dont have strong preferences about physical appearance in a man, but I am averse to short fat hands. I like long fingers. This is because I noticed that men with short fingers tend to be agressive and not as intelligent, and long fingered men seem to be more intelligent and good people. (Maybe it is not true- but its my observation) :).
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Also, one more thing. I think that short men should not be ashamed to be short and over compensate with thick soled shoes. Women notice this and think hes insecure. I know a guy who always wore “adidas bounce”, bless him. They have about a 1 1/2 inch platform.
If a man hes short, he should try to develop game but not try to make himself look taller with thick soles. I would say developing muscles is also especialy beneficial to shorter men.
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Are you that “Embracing our Femininity” Bird from Crete or somewhere therabouts?
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Cyprus. Also, subtle neg, if done on purpose.
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Allow me to kill my game and say that I actually found her comments/blog interesting.
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Hi Alec mu. Are you the Russian guy who was living in Pafos Cyprus? 🙂 .
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I know personally two short dudes… None of whom are good with women, both of whom harbor shortman insecurities. One of the vertically challenged pissed away 5 grand flying a some broad to Hawaii. He says he fucked her and even showed me a pic of her tits. I wasn’t sure if he was lying or not so I did not call him out. Even if he was lying, I don’t think I’d call him out. Why should I? I’ve learned trying to be someone’s psychologist only eats away at the relationship. I’ve pointed the dude to this blog and he’s still lost.
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“I’ve learned trying to be someone’s psychologist only eats away at the relationship.”
ab-so-fuck-ing-lute-ly
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A couple of high class whores would have been cheaper.
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Elevator shoes all the way. if you’re below average height, after you’re done cursing the heavens, go online and order the ones that give you 5 inches and be done with the issue. by the time they come off and she delivers the shit test about your insecurity, she should already be naked.
if you have qualms about wearing them, go ahead and count the number of times you got laid by being open and honest with women about your shortcomings (heh)
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Every relationship has the following fluid frame.
Dominance Submission
This is context based.
Short of actual physical violence, the best seducers like the best athletes, buisinessesmen etc present this frame verbally and especially non verbally.
Look at hot women next time through this filter, are they being dominant or submissive, vast majority are displaying attributes of dominance, the way they walk, move, interact with their environment. They are especially good at displaying submissiveness but from a dominant frame, seems contradictory I know but check it out for yourself.
How do you capture this prey, learn from them, feed back their dominant non verbals back to them or learn how the men that do this naturally do this by observing and matching their non verbals. Many will object to doing this for varying reasons, this comment is not for you.
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Bleh, I’m 5’7″ and it makes me rage when bitches around 5’3″ or whatever height really insist on guys 6’+. Tis like who do they expect all the tall girls to get with? Such a small pool of men they’re limiting themselves to.
Even more irritating is I have an 8″ cock, so I’m in the top 97% (apparently) there, yet getting to that point is SO much harder than tall blokes who naturally have women swooning at them before even said a word.
Just need to improve and try harder I guess. Just “Tall” is the NUMBER ONE preference of women, (of course it’s “Alpha” really, but Tall is the one they’ll first look for).
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“Bleh, I’m 5’7″ and it makes me rage when bitches around 5’3″ or whatever height really insist on guys 6’+.Tis like who do they expect all the tall girls to get with? Such a small pool of men they’re limiting themselves to.”
can’t be bitter about it. people are attracted to who they’re attracted to. using your logic, we should be telling guys to go after fatties instead of holding out for hot babes. you know, since they’re limiting themselves to such a small pool of women and all…
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Fatties made themselves that way, and can easily change if they can be arsed.
But it is a point to overcome it rather than being bitter, which is what I’m working on. Still annoying though.
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@ English Dude
“Fatties made themselves that way, and can easily change if they can be arsed.
But it is a point to overcome it rather than being bitter, which is what I’m working on. Still annoying though.”
yeah, i hear you.
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You need to lead with your cock.
Remember the line “walk like you’re Dick is leading you”… And work that shot into your conversations.
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I mean the opener presents itself… I’m in the top 97 percent of all men in height” and motion to your head… Get a quizzical look “sorry I meant length, always get those confused”…
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Heh I’ll have a think on that one. And yes adopting better posture and all the rest is something I need to remember. Generally a calm, laid back, introvert dude, so need to project that “intensity” that some people give off to not end up invisible.
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Like I’ve said elsewhere – I’m 5’6″ and over 50, and have no problem nailing more young women than most men. The reason is simple – I stack the deck in my favor, and know my value. Over the years, I’ve had women from 6’6″ to 4’6″ in my bed and found the 4’6″ one too weird. I have NO idea how the 6′ guy dates women at 5′ I really don’t. Now the 6’+ one, she was a keeper or would have been if she didn’t constantly slough. I had to keep telling her to “stand up straight”. And since I loved her in stiletto heels, there was no way she was going to ever be shorter than the average man – and certainly not me, so I wanted to show her off. And she had a rack well-worth showing off…
So had to ditch her for sloughing – that is an annoying habit ladies, and horrible for your posture. As to the short women out there – there are a lot of guys that like tiny women – me, I like them about my size so that everything fits. And to the tall women – stand up straight and stick out your chest – all eyes are on you…. 🙂
I have had some women observe that I was shorter – it always sounded like they were honestly surprised so I never saw it as a “shit test” and my response has always been something along the lines of – “big enough where it matters babe” and never thought anything of it again.
Women find confidence the most attractive thing, and being a bit of an a**hole helps, but I’ve never had my height be an issue for me, mostly because I look for a woman’s body-language and other IOI’s, and if they aren’t there, why would I waste my time? So for the record I like women in the 5’3 – 5’8″ range and never more than 125lbs – the one in my core group that is 5’3″ tips the scale at 92lbs dripping wet, and if you’re over 25 ladies… I will bed you if I find you attractive, but that’s it… I’m too young to settle down just yet. 😉
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Biggest players I’ve ever seen were short, like I’m 5’6 and I would think of them as “short” in comparison to me.
The 4’6-5’2 range kind of deal.
Don’t know if it was despite their height or because of it, felt compelled to get as many high level women they could to make up for their insecurities.
Personally height’s never been a problem for me, being a weird, anti-social, awkward, basement dwelling introvert’s been the killer.
Plenty of women like me and even approach, dig on me until they get to know me.
All this being said; obviously game can help to over come height and also obviously the majority of time height with the proper proportions is going to be a pretty huge advantage.
Can that advantage be blown? Yeah but it’s there, kind of like a chick with huge tits.
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As a short guy( 5’8″) one of the best things you can do to mitigate the “negative effects” is to weight lift hard and put on serious muscle mass. When you get to the point where you have a barrel chest, thick arms and thick neck – your height won’t matter as much to the women. An added bonus : you will be viewed as pretty intimidating and most men will treat you with great respect . I speak from experience.
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I am 49 and 5’8″ tall. I now live in the middle of nowhere and own a 4×4. Cowboy boots I discovered decades late. When the subject of height comes up. (I pull dancers, they are in 6-8″ heels and invariably look down.) I point to my boots and say, “I’m 5′ 10′ in my cowboy boots!” What I am doing is telling them, “Oh yeah, I am even SHORTER naked…what of it?” It works.
I found myself through an unlikely series of events with a dancer girlfriend when I was not at all ready for it. I ended up after the bang and a delay getting back in the friend-zone but that gave me entree to the club, mgt, bouncers, the DJ, the restroom guy and all the other dancers that wondered WTF is the little, old, bald guy packing?
I had not been to the big city in a while and was in a club I barely know in a city that I do not have a network. I was short-handing the above, and the dancer says..”I could see you as the type that dates dancers.” I said, “Oh, why is that?” She says, ‘You have confidence.” The only thing that I did that displayed confidence was resisted the lap dance appeal.
Short only hurts because it kills confidence. When I was young I was told that dogs smell fear, don’t be afraid. Doesn’t work with an adult, but as a child I believed I was invincible so I was. I can still stare down junkyard dogs.
I have an Hispanic friend up here that has a fetish for tall girls. He saw me get a girls number. I didn’t know of his interest in height when he was asking, “Is she taller?” He motions her over and has her stand back to back with me. “She is taller!!!” he beams… (I coulda killed him.) She is 5’11” tall and I never noticed she was 3″ taller than me.
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I likewise discovered cowboy boots too late in life. Noticeable difference in reactions. Glances became gazes.
Alligator Lucchese’s are a great peacocking accessory that don’t scream that you’re trying too hard.
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also: 100% disagree that bulking up is necessary. I weigh a buck fifty soaking wet. If weightlifting builds YOUR confidence do it. If you are counting on that beware of looking like the little guy overcompensating, A little guy with confidence is out of character and it makes you stand out. People expect you to be deferential.
Sometimes I tell ’em. ‘Well…all souls are the same size so my 6’4″ soul stuffed into a 5’8″ frame tends to burst the seams a bit”
Tall guys have zero game. My roommate is 6’4″ and 29 years old. His entire game is to stand around being tall and wait for a girl to make eyes at him.I would still be a virgin with that approach.
I accidentally developed an abundant mentality. Just like dogs scent fear, girls respond to pheromones and they are either compatible or they are not. If a girl is not responding I next her because it isn’t going to work. If I feel more attracted to a girl in pheromone range than I did before, I assume she has the same attraction. Doesn’t matter if I am wrong. Believing I am right when everyone in the room assumes I have no shot displays confidence.
I read an article once; can’t find it since. Some study, I remember it like this: everyone has an A or a B on one particular gene. Two As or two B’s its a no-go. So I figure I have a 50% chance my pheromones are compatible. Lets say I read the study wrong and it works nothing like that. Doesn’t matter. If I believe it, it works. Self delusion is a powerful force.
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“His entire game is to stand around being tall and wait for a girl to make eyes at him.”
From reading most of the comments from tall guys here, I see that’s pretty much their entire game (Laguna Beach Fogey, right?). It’s almost like a crutch for these guys, like having money.
The other thing I’ve noticed is that being short is more of a issue for tall guys. It’s like they’re saying “I’m glad I’m not short” – kinda like someone from a wealthy family saying “I’m glad I’m not poor.” Hell even guys like Aaron Sleazy says shit like that.
I guess I could be jerk and point out some general observations I’ve had over the years. Like tall guys are dull, not too bright (most politicians are tall, right?) and lazy. Look at the last 2 NYC mayors. One was a short self made billionaire (yeah I know he belongs to the tribe but that’s not the point). The other is a tall career politician who pretty much became mayor because no one else wanted the job (and he’s married to wookie).
“God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal”
Game is a pretty decent equalizer too.
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according to this article
“Short men were found to marry later in life than average or tall men, but were 32 percent less likely to divorce. They were also more likely to marry less educated and younger women. Once married, they did less of the housework and earned a much higher income than their spouse.”
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5731688
that all sounds pretty damn good to me.
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It is definitely true that taller guys have it a bit easier, all else being equal, but that is missing the main point big time:
You wanna do well with the ladies? If you are fit, muscular, witty, and a charming bastard, you WILL DO WELL with the ladies, irrespective of your height. You just need to calibrate a bit better and screen a bit more for receptiveness. If you worry that you can’t have all girls, you have already lost your game. Getting girls should not be your goal per se, at least beyond 25. Do your thing, do it well, be a charming bastard, and you will enjoy enough pussy
Who cares if taller guys do even better? Enjoy your own success, and the fact that others might be doing even better should not derange you from going after waht you want. Worrying about things you can’t change is the biggest roadblock on your way to success.
Mindset is king, take this from a guy who is 5’6” and had more beautiful girls than most 6” guys
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I concur. Mindset is king. I am only 5’6″. I never really think of myself as short (unless I am in a situation where I am surrounded by a lot of people who are 6’+) and thus I do not believe I present that way (certainly not as small/little).
Even though i would say my game is inconsistent and that I usually get in my own way, I have managed to hook up with girls as tall as 5’10.5″ (runway model, 18yrs younger than me). I have never really been into the club scene. I just didnt get it (probably because I never felt the love). I found better situations where my personality and presence establish me as the alpha. Dinner parties are the best. I recently had a great fwb situation with a girl that was 5’8″ and 10 years my junior. She said that she had never hooked up with someone shorter than her but that now she would have to change her whole thinking. We met when I showed up at the end of a dinner party She was sitting on the couch next to me. Literally, within 5 minutes of meeting, I was fingering her in the bathroom.
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Short white guy >>> Tall IndianPaki guuy
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While it’s not a good thing to look rail-thin, I would seriously recommend not bulking if you’re below 5’9. It will throw your body proportions out of whack and will only draw the eye outward, making you look squashed. Just make sure your clothes fit nicely and keep yourself well-groomed. (Selectively bulk areas where you are aesthetically lacking — arms, forearms, chest — but not at the expense of compromising your overall ideal proportions.)
Another mistake short guys make is trying to get extra inches with longer hair styles, spiked up, when in reality (and depending on the shape of your skull) you really want to have shorter hair styles that make your head look more balanced in relation to your torso and legs (short guys tend to have larger domes).
As a short guy, your focus should be to avoid looking boyish and this has more to do with normalizing your proportions than with your total vertical length. “Tall” hairstyles might add an inch or two to your silhouette, but it is at the expense of diminishing your torso and legs in comparison — making you look more boyish and less manly.
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So, perhaps it’s better advice for short men to target *slightly* shorter women than themselves, rather than significantly shorter women.
I do that, although I’m of average height rather than short. I generally avoid short women, possibly for the same reason short women avoid short men.
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I think being short is fine if you have solid game. You have to avoid online dating though where women filter you out objectively. Once women like you, they’ll backwards rationalize any flaw about you(height, money, weight, whatever it is). I’m 5’9″ and once dated a 6′ tall girl and she told me when she was drunk once,”I just tell myself you’re the same height as me.”
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I am 5’7 and I wouldn’t be seen dead with a woman who is not 5’9 or taller.
The trick is that she has to be invisible next to you.
You’d have to be rich, famous, or a powerful man jobwise. You pick your weapon.
Failing the above, I highly recommend that you spend (serious) money now and then on 5’10+ high end escorts. It will get you rid of your complex.
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It’s looking like my son might end up short. I just figured we’d get him guitar lessons sooner rather than later.
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This study suggest, at least in LTR context, shorter men are more alpha than their taller counterparts. Shorter men marry much younger women, do less housework, and are less likely to get divorce-raped.
“Short men were found to marry later in life than average or tall men, but were 32 percent less likely to divorce. They were also more likely to marry less educated and younger women. Once married, they did less of the housework and earned a much higher income than their spouse.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/28/link-between-mens-height-divorce-_n_5731688.html
Another interesting empirical finding : “Men who are deficient in one status category can compensate if they are high in another. Several studies of online dating have shown that short men can be as successful in the dating market if they earn more than taller men.”
http://www.bakadesuyo.com/2012/03/how-much-money-does-a-56-man-need-to-make-to/
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[…] Short men, like ugly women, through no fault of their own got a raw deal when the cosmic abyss spit them into existence. Short men, all else equal, have it rougher in the dating market. […]
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As a 6 ft tall guy (not really short but not tall either) i recognize most of this as true, especially your hookup chances dwindling in bars and clubs, rely more on daytime real world encounters, be the ultimate alpha male etc.
As for short men, let uncle Al teach you a lesson.
“not the Trojan army just fucked her, but little old me”
That’s how you should leave a woman after you get up to wash your cock.
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LOL@ the 6-footer (top 20% of US male population) thinking he’s average height.
Average male height in the US is about 5’9″ people.
https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0209.pdf
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Double LOL – most US women think 6’0” is average height for a man. Probably because that’s near the minimum height for their “visibility”.
When the topic of height comes up in mixed company, I’ve often noted that many women are literally shocked that 5’9″ is average.
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LOL @ Culum Struan
Yeah so being only a quarter inch above average height makes me fairly average.
Needless to say, in any club setting with lots of tall guys around i become equally invisible to women as the 5’6 guy next to me.
Being average in height has no benefits for a man, as being average convulses women.
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LOL at Darius
“quarter inch”?
More like a quarter foot (= 3 inches) You may not be the tallest, but you will get noticed. Shorter men will need to move closer to women to impede their view of you.
Dancing well causes me to grow 6″ in the view of women, lol. I’m very visible to them.
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FWIW, I’m 5’10” and I have NEVER felt that my height is a disadvantage with women in person in clubs or anywhere else or even noticed it really (except with the very small percentage of women who are taller than me).
It’s not an *advantage*, but it’s not a disadvantage either – it’s a neutral factor (that’s what average means – or in my case, a bit above average).
Note that this is in person. When you are looking at online wishlists and how women screen online, it is harder (although even there I see that most women’s cutoff is around 5’10” so I squeeze through). That’s also because as someone posted above – women have no idea what average male height is. So in person many women would be fine with a 5’9″ guy, but not online.
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Short man game in clubs is no other choice than going full throttle cad or “mode one”
Direct and full on sexual.
“Your too short” gets “I’m only 8 inches” or “girls like me for my big dick”
There will be many strike outs which on the good side will hugely increase ASD for all those taller guys.
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