How is a wounded woman like a wounded animal? PA explains as he hoists the COTW trophy:
A nasty form of red pill involves thoughts of how to act when your woman has been through great trauma, rape or otherwise. A wounded human being is in a shitload of pain, in such cases psychic pain.
They say that you shouldn’t try to comfort a beloved dog that was injured by a car because its pain can cause it to bite you. External-source duress, usually financial, can turn a wife into a bitch.
There was an article a few years after the 9.11 attacks, about a middle aged woman, civilian employee at the Pentagon, who was badly disfigured in the resulting fires and how she copes with life. Her husband (photos from happier days were shown, they were both radiant) had left her after the disfigurement.
I was quick to fault the man for abandoning her. But now I wonder, did he try to ‘be there’ and she pushed him away? I don’t know. In the story she said she is not angry with him.
A man wants to be needed and many of us want to help the few people in our inner circle when they need us. When we were little and got hurt, our moms poured concerned affection on us, and in those recesses of our psyches lies a template for healing another’s pain.
But like the struck dog, does the traumatized woman lash out at those closest to her? Those with the hard task of ‘being there’ have to think about what she really needs. Soft care may not be it.
Yes, this is a deeply dark red pill to swallow. I’ve seen it myself, and I’ve experienced it: The lashing out of the hurt woman against those trying to comfort her. The proper response to the hurt woman is a nod of sympathy and a studied avoidance of getting entangled in her drama other than giving her time to cry it out, (and giving yourself a little distance from her bared claws).
Why is it not uncommon for traumatized women to push away their supportive lovers? It’s a mystery, but my theory is that it has to do with the natural revulsion men and women feel for sex role inversions. The caretaker and the nurturer is the woman; when a man eagerly tries to assume this role, it’s disturbing to women on a primal level. It’s similar to the aggressive career woman barging into a meeting ready to close a big deal. Men may admire her gumption in the abstract, but as a character trait it’s very off-putting to behold in a woman.
Another, related, possibility is the idea that a supportive man, in his readiness to “be there” for a hurt woman, inadvertently “betatizes” himself. He may be perceived less as a shoulder to lean on than as a cloying handmanlet who in his zeal to be helpful winds up reminding the woman of the source of her pain.
Traumatized men do this too, but it seems more common with women. Or perhaps, when it concerns women, it’s more shocking to men who witness it, given the pedestal-contoured presumptions that men hold of women’s receptivity to assistance in times of need.
Maybe there’s a reason why in large parts of the world women who are rape victims are considered sexual persona non grata. Could it be that, underneath the religious or moral justifications, men shun traumatized women because they know, instinctively, that those women will never be “right” as relationship material?

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Somewhat related: what to say when a woman makes a bad choice about something of great importance? Usually nothing.
I know of two cases where women got together with much younger men. W1 married a man about ten years younger, and it turned out to be an unhappy marriage as the man is childish, never helps out with anything, and easily takes offense. Seems he wanted a mother. What other man would marry a ten years older woman?
W2 bought an apartment together with a man eleven or twelve years younger, and he turned out to be a bastard who started drinking, never helped out at home, insulted her constantly and lied about past expenses as he wanted her to pay for everything. (E.g. claiming he paid for a utility in the past so she should pay for something new, even when she could show the receipt about the old utility, at which point he tried to “gas light” her.) They moved apart – she had to help him pay for his new apartment – and she felt more relieved than ever before in her life.
In both these cases, what do you think their female relatives and women at work said? “Love is what’s important! Age is just a number! If you ignore the numbers, what does your HEART tell you?”
Elevating love to something magical is a common method for ignoring the realities of life, and they always come back to bite you. The bitter fact is, love is always conditional.
As I wasn’t close to any of these women I said nothing. I could tell them how these pairings rarely work out, and that any man who would choose a much older woman would simply be looking for a mother. And that he would come to resent his choice and take it out on her. And that she should be ashamed of herself for getting a much younger man, who should be dating women his own age or younger – or do some growing up, or be forever single if he is unable to do so.
But had I said so a Love Fanatic hate fest would have followed. A man who uses “cold logic” – that can never stand against the power of love! All the movies say so. Let’s show him! And when things turned sour, I would STILL have been a bastard for predicting it, as they would imagine me gloating in order to get an excuse to hate me for telling the truth. “Shoot the messenger”. So I stayed out of it. But these cases made for some good warning examples to tell others.
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It’s a self-esteem thing, isn’t it? The woman who knows she’s become “damaged goods” may lash out against those who pity her because it just reminds her of her damaged status.
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“I don’t want to belong to any club that will accept people like me as a member” Groucho
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Dark Triad Bobby Brown literally Gamed Whitney Houston to death
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2963098/Whitney-Bobby-drugs-death-daughter-lying-coma-never-stood-chance-British-bodyguard-inspired-star-s-hit-movie.html
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Granted, it’s from the chimpanzee perspective, but that Bobby Brown/Whitney Houston article is all about how a Dark Triad Alpha can literally Game a damaged woman to her grave. For those of you interested in unleashing your inner Psychopath. Scary stuff, what women will do for you. Scary, scary stuff.
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Corporal Oblivious hating the player instead of the game; nobody knows the failure he’s seen…
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Yep.
My mother went from loving, caring wife, to raging bitch because of a disabling nerve disorder.
My father went from (mostly) alpha to beta chump in his effort to “support” and “care” for her.
It’s not possible to care for a physically or mentally injured person without becoming a caretaker, without assuming a beta role. Not possible.
A healthy women would be repulsed by that level of beta-tude, why would an injured one not?
Honorable to be sure, but I wouldn’t blame him a bit if he divorced her.
Why is this a red pill truth? Do people really not understand this? I spent a lot of my childhood around deathly ill people, so maybe I just was exposed to it more than most…
Ask any lawyer, cancer is a leading “reason” for divorce.
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Ove seen first hand how they react. Also, when youre used to having the caretaker, he ir she becomes your slave. The tone of voice changes. Everything.
Thats why im always skeptical of studies showing women stay more often than men when the person is diseased. I know too much about the female psyche to not be skeptical.
And it especially pisses me off when women mention these studies, as if it matters you stay with your husbands whn theyre sick, when the fucking cunts ruin their families at a ridiculously high rate when their husbands are healthy. What does it matter you stay when he has cancer? You destroy their lives in court when hes healthy!
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When I was in the 10th grade, the girl who was best female friend was discovered to have had a massive metastasizing cancer in her abdomen, and after the surgery, her parents spoiled her so horribly during the rehab period [and after the rehab, for several more years] that it completely flipped the poor girl’s personality inside out, and she became an uncontrollable HPD/NPD Cluster B nutjob. The situation became so bad that her parents’ best friends – their Saturday night bridge partners – cut off all relations with the family cause they couldn’t stomach the misbehavior anymore. The story did have a happy ending, though, in that the surgeons seemed to have done a good job in cutting out 100% of her cancer, and of course I subsequently lost my virginity with her little sister, rather than with her.
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the girl who was MY best female friend
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“her parents spoiled her so horribly during the rehab period [and after the rehab, for several more years] that it completely flipped the poor girl’s personality inside out, and she became an uncontrollable HPD/NPD Cluster B nutjob.”
Note to parents.
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“Note to parents.”
Yeah, it’s as if the last thing that rehab patients need is a visit from Santa Claus – maybe what they really need is the full-on Gunnery Sergeant beatdown in order to instill in them the “That which doesn’t kill me makes me stronger” Nietzschean experience. I wonder whether any non-Hive-Mind pediatric psychiatrists have ever studied the after-effects of the Make a Wish Foundation’s “You’re Going to Disneyworld!” interventions. Do you suppose that the little kids might be even worse-off afterwards?
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Captain Obvious- Without going into too much detail we placated my oldest daughter who already had issue’s with trust. Gave her voice lessons, piano lessons, guitar lessons and did not make her join the family in various activities. Basically fueled her selfish desires to the point of her becoming Lucifer’s daughter.
Trying to make the changes now for my other daughters to head it off at the pass. Finally know now how to deal with daughters. 1. Do not placate. 2. No tolerance for attitude. 3. Take time to have them help dad even if it is to just run errands. Hard to find wise advice in this crazy world. The American culture is all about placating the women. Good news is that my son turned out pretty damn good.
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I left my wife partially because she was “forever broken” in a few ways emotionally. She was not the type to push away, but rather sank in the claws to hold me close as possible. Teddy bearification is just as betatizing as nurturing behavior from men.
It killed our sexual chemistry….permanently. Until I had enough And left.
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“She was not the type to push away, but rather sank in the claws to hold me close as possible. Teddy bearification is just as betatizing as nurturing behavior from men.”
My ex-girlfriend’s husband died in a car accident a couple of years before we got together, so she behaved similarly to your wife. I went half-insane trying to comfort her without being needy, and the relationship fell apart pretty quickly. I was no match for the trauma her experienced caused.
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It’s really hard to not want to protect and shield them at first, but then the clingy neediness comes on with the fury of a thousand suns
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“It’s really hard to not want to protect and shield them at first, but then the clingy neediness comes on with the fury of a thousand suns.”
It fucked with my compass a bit. I’d never been with someone who needed so much attention. Of course you finally give in and they’re repulsed by your submission.
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Benson, it is all working out for the best for you though.
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Back in the caveman/tribal days, it would of been the other women of the tribe that cared for the mentally and physically injured (men or women)
It’s not natural for the men to do it.
Men and women both are repulsed by things that are not natural. Can’t fool the caveman inside us.
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Precisely why women are put in a protective bubble from trauma physical and psychological. With men creating that bubble.
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The whole question of what to do with your traumatized wife is missing a huge element.
If your wife is traumatized then in her mind it’s your fault.
Women are pre-rational. Plane flew into the Pentagon when she was in it? Why didn’t you stop the attack that hurt her? She got raped? Why didn’t you protect her? More chillingly – she put herself in a situation where should would be more likely to be raped because her subconscious believes you don’t measure up.
That is why men shy away from women who claim to have been raped. It’s impossible to distinguish rape from a really good excuse for cheating.
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Very astute. Their psychological framework is based on having your physical presence and protection nearly 24/7, as was generally the case in the ancestral environment.
Similarly, the reason long-distance “relationships” don’t work is that in ancient times, were a woman to be separated from her mate for more than the duration of a long hunting/scouting party (say around 2 weeks) her and her biology could rightly assume you were NOT coming back because you were in all likelihood dead. Long-haul distance relationships that bank on modern technology to remind naive lovers that they’re still alive can’t supersede that primordial impulse, even with VR-assisted distance-wanking technology, advanced dildonics, and snatchchat. Especially when they’re child-bearing.
Who among us has not banged many a wifes/gf of a deployed man, only to discover this sordid fact after the deed was done?
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“Similarly, the reason long-distance “relationships” don’t work is that in ancient times, were a woman to be separated from her mate for more than the duration of a long hunting/scouting party (say around 2 weeks) her and her biology could rightly assume you were NOT coming back because you were in all likelihood dead.”
interesting take on that. i think you might have something there.
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“That is why men shy away from women who claim to have been raped. It’s impossible to distinguish rape from a really good excuse for cheating.”
Not just cheating but all-purpose slutting as well.
I once dated a very feminine 8 who brought up her claimed rape more often than you would think possible in conversations both casual and intimate, and the more I learned of it the more I realized that she had re-imagined her teenage sluttery with an older married man as “rape.” Because he “took advantage” of her in her “emotional state.” Needless to say she was on a downward slide on the depth chart (heh) after that, and was entirely ruled out for anything long-term.
Such women would do well to simply accept and learn from a poor choice, regret it internally until it subsides, and then never speak of it again, ESPECIALLY to prospective future mates. Discretion takes many forms. Their grandmothers didn’t conduct such slut-as-victim charades. Granted, their grandmothers probably weren’t ever sluts. But you can be sure they knew when to shut the fuck up and “suffer” in silence if need be.
Modern women have no fucking idea what it was like to live in pre-modern times, and are thus pitiful iteration of their far-stronger forebears who legitimately lived in fear of sexual enslavement at the hands of marauding outsiders.
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“The whole question of what to do with your traumatized wife is missing a huge element.
If your wife is traumatized then in her mind it’s your fault.”
Steve, I’m afraid you’ve hit the bullseye. I’ve seen it up close.
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Yes.
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No matter what happens. It is ALWAYS the MANS fault.
I totally disagree with this but it is the reality that men need to be aware of to guard themselves against the prevailing bullshit and gult tripping that women and society foists upon them.
You see in some respects I am a “Pure Feminist”
Equality applied Equally ALL of the Time.
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And if she cries rape once…she just might do it again. Blaming you.
Even if it actually happened the first time.
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The pragmatic but depressing choice is: Avoid unfortunate and unhappy people. (48 rules of power).
I mean as a subway masturbator at least I can get off . There are impotent subway masturbators, I will NOT hang out with those losers.
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Walk it off, biatch.
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Lol. Nice!
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> “Another, related, possibility is the idea that a supportive man, in his readiness to “be there” for a hurt woman, inadvertently “betatizes” himself.
Very strong possibility here. Many people [but hopefully NAWALT?] may not have the intellectual capacity to perceive beyond the hindbrain’s innate revulsion at seeing a man prostate himself.
> “Maybe there’s a reason why in large parts of the world women who are rape victims are considered sexual persona non grata.”
Or as PA [who has been on an epic role lately] was saying in his idea for the novel/movie/tv-series, maybe it’s a fear that she ENJOYED the rape? That her hindbrain has experienced the bliss of being taken by a man who is far more masculine than any of her potential “legitimate” suitors [within a civil society], and her hindbrain will never allow her to forget the experience? In that case, maybe the only way to deal with many [NAWALT?] victims of rape is to beat them even worse than the rapist beat them? Certainly you’d want to hunt down the rapist and put him in his grave. And I’d definitely want to show her the rapist’s corpse – eye to eye – before I dumped it deep in a swamp for the alligators and snapping turtles to feast on. Let her know who the True Alpha is. And then afterwards, beat the crap of her, I guess. For good measure.
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On the other hand, if she correctly perceived your nature as a True Alpha, and if there were some [otherwise innocent] dude whom she wanted offed [for whatever reason, or lack of reason altogether], then inventing a lie about being raped by him would set you off on the path to murdering the poor guy for her.
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It’s a trap!
“Let’s you and him fight” -woman’s mind fuck game
That’s why it’s never a good idea to be a white knight. You *never have all the facts when it comes to her sexual past. Even if it’s true, bitch shouldn’t have brought it up. It breaks the most important rule in relationships, the one cock rule. GBFM has nailed it on that one.
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Maybe what we call “rape” today was a form of sexual intercourse that was far more common and tolerated in the world of our distant ancestors.
the alligators and snapping turtles to feast on
And crawfish.
PA [who has been on an epic role lately]
Yes, he’s really kicked it up a notch.
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Married 30 years and widowed now 4 when cancer won out. That horror was the least overthought most REAL pain that could be. ” You are so arrogant!” said w a smile long ago. Yup. Dont wait for an apology dear. I dont talk RP tough I AM that guy. STILL in love with her but
the withdrawal and contempt and indifference , the anger at my grief, aimed at causing me pain from this . most wonderful human..has now been explained. I thank God I had her. Thanks CH for making sense of the other.
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Crawdads gotta eat, same as snapping turtles. BTW, that scene occurs right after the boy has confessed to Josie that his father had Beta-ized himself by stitching the beautiful shirt for his son, but the boy had lied to his fellow Freedom Fighters about it – telling them that his mother had stitched it – in order to protect his father’s dignity. What a great movie.
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Josie Wales- one of the best movies ever and my inspiration for learning to spit with accuracy
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I’d like to see Clint do a remake of it. It’s easily one of my all time favorite films.
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It’s my favorite film of the modern era. And my favorite film of the classical era is another White Knight masterpiece, about how nice guys always finish last, whereas scumbags ride off to Washington DC and live happily ever after:
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You can’t call Jimmy Stewart a scumbag in that movie… anything but. He was more the beta than anything else, an Eastern tenderfoot who believed in the power of law and logic.
And John Wayne wasn’t exactly a “nice guy”, even though he took it upon himself to protect Stewart from the true scumbag, Valance.
I’m sure more than one viewer found it odd that the gal went for Stewart over Wayne… but then again, Stewart would have been the hypergamous choice for a woman that fancied herself better than the knock-down, drag-out environment of the Wild West.
Just for the record… accurate reporting about all else.
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“…for I saw too deep into the sea,
where every maw
the greater on the lesser feed
evermore”
–Keats
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You boys gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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My wife spontaneously squirted when she watched me prostate myself. Just sayn.
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You mean “prostrate”. If you meant “prostate” kindly keep your personal gradue off this public discussion forum.
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That is fine as long as you are telling the truth.
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BTW, I wonder how it affected guys like Ravel and Hemingway, who worked for the ambulance corps in WWI? Hemingway didn’t seem to have any trouble getting laid. The male nurses whom I knew – who weren’t outright sodomites – used to score plenty of poontang. That was the first time that I ever saw an HB8 ever sleep with a total loser of a guy. In fact, I can think back on three or four of those male RNs who were total scumbag human beings – cheating ruthlessly on their wives and then abandoning their families to trade up to a cuter model. One of their wives even attempted suicide on him [he traded in for younger tighter in the same ward as his wife had worked]. I guess they went to nursing school because that’s where the pussy was. Filthy fucking creeps.
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Walt Whitman was a nurse, but he was a sodomite and a Lincolnolater, so fuck him. He didn’t deserve to get laid.
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I know a couple of male nurses. One is beta as fuck, but apparently really good at what he does (ER type), the other two, another’s a PUA who scores regularly, the other, though married, acts pretty alpha with the ladies, tickling and teasing, but he’s faithful to his missus, as far as I know..
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The reason rape victims are persona non grata in large parts of the world is that they’re perceived as “damaged goods”. Believe me, no one who’s been “really” raped enjoyed it or is worried about subconsciously enjoying it. It’s absurd.
A rape victim is likely to lash out at a supportive bf/husband because, in her mind, he didn’t PROTECT her. He seems powerless to her. It doesn’t matter if he logically couldn’t. That’s how she feels. And then combine that with the “damaged goods” insecurity, which is a blow to her essential femininity. All of this is exacerbated by the sense that the guy is tiptoeing around her, letting her control the emotional recovery, and “being there” for her. We want you to be there as a man, not as one of our girlfriends.
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google “the compulsion to repeat the trauma”. Traumatized people repeat their behaviour to live the same bad situation again and again. Raped women often get reraped because they put themselve (unconsciousness) in difficult situations, where they get raped again.
They feel unworthy and want to live their live according to their believes.
If you are doing good things to a women, you put “her away from the chance” to repeat bad situations. Situation she can handle and feel familiar with.
The good people are the “enemies”. The good ones treat her not bad enough, like she feels
to deserve. (im from germany)
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@Rob
This is not far from the actuality. I myself was burned in an industrial explosion. For several years after the event my favorite mental fantasy was being in an airplane that crashed and being the sole survivor. As I healed myself, I came to realize that I was struggling against two ideas. First, that I could die (A twentysomething does not understand death, until it nearly happens to them.), and that there were things that could kill me that I could not control. Putting yourself back in those situations is an attempt to return to that previous mind orientation, that this time it will be different. It does not work, but it’s an attempt to avoid facing the reality of life. Women are naturally good at hamstering this away, but the hamster does not work well at healing traumas. These traumas affect women worse, I think, because they don’t have the same rational framework that men do to put their world back together. Hamstering just does not cut it.
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BJ, in that case, all of these officially licensed and certified therapeutic “Helping” professionals could actually be making the situation vastly worse for the patient [vastly worse than doing nothing at all]. For example, every time there’s a school shooting nowadays, a small army of “Helping Professionals” suddenly materializes [out of nowhere] at the school, offering “counselling services” to the “grieving” students.
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Or like giving firing range instruction to that PTSD alcoholic nutjob who murdered Chris Kyle – that crazy whackoff had no business whatsoever getting within a country mile of a loaded weapon.
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This whole comment ‘stream’ is more interesting than discussing whatever tangent of cunt is on the agenda this week.
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CO,
Your comment is more insightful than you realize. I did see a shrink about the mental and emotional effect of my accident. What I realized in talking with him is that there was not one thing he could do to return me back to my original mental state, and that I was going to have to put myself back together.
So I did. I intentionally used a number of mental techniques to do so, worked with my memory (explosions disassociate your neurons), and made it into a party story to change how I perceived it. You might say I turned it into a near-life experience.
Women love drama and the emotional rollercoaster, which is why they have such trouble getting off the coaster when there is a trauma. It’s no longer fun and they don’t know how to get out of the exit door because they’ve never had to do so before.
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> “They feel unworthy”
RD, that sounds very Blue Pill and Frankfurt School freudian propaganda. Red Pill and Dark Enlightenment and 50 Shades of Patriarchy, on the other hand, require that you consider the possibility that women want to be re-raped because they live for the experience of being taken by a high-testosterone ultra-masculine Alpha male – that perhaps the violent rape provokes in them the most intense sensations which they can experience in this life. [Blah blah blah NAWALT exceptions blah blah blah.]
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text game
she is 19, i’m 40. i have a bunch of things I’m looking for in my prof, which are the ‘requirements’
***
hey
(she requests to see my pic); Hi there
( i do not give her my pic) hey – how many of my qualifications do you meet – too many girls ask for my pic just to hand it
Most of it actually. You are one picky person lol
uh oh i see you future lawyer – i have a law degree
Really? I’ve always wanted to be a lawyer for as long as I can remember
are you going to cross-examine me
Haha if you want
(i send her my pic)
Are you Italian?
why
You look it
it sounds like you’re about to rip my clothes off
Haha how do I sound like that when I only asked if you were Italian?
i want to tell you a secret
Okay sure
texas girls are one of my favorites so that is what grabbed my attention
Awe well that’s sweet. And that’s not a secret
still unknown is whether you are crazy girl however
she does not respond
‘crazy girl’ is a ref to something in my prof. i say i am not looking for crazy girls or drama – which i’m not.
but also this is a savoy line. he says disqualifying up front that you don’t want ‘crazy girls’ or ‘drama’ is a good IOI. he claims most guys will never tell a girl this. it also hits her preselection button because only such a guy would say this
towards the end, she goes into the ‘aww your sweet’ routine. and not a secret
my last response, which she doesn’t respond to, is agree but switch her back towards qualifying to me
you see throughout i purposely do not answer a single question directly.
my impression is the whole exchange is her trying to grab the wheel of frame control – and it is not happening,
she does not feel like continuing to qualify to me so she bails
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>>Could it be that, underneath the religious or moral justifications, men shun
>>traumatized women because they know, instinctively, that those women will
>>never be “right” as relationship material?
Deep truth, that.
+1000
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‘Could it be that, underneath the religious or moral justifications, men shun traumatized women because they know, instinctively, that those women will never be “right” as relationship material?’
Yes.
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“The caretaker and the nurturer is the woman; when a man eagerly tries to assume this role, it’s disturbing to women on a primal level.”
Let’s be more specific; the woman is the caretaker and nurturer of children (and perhaps elderly parents or siblings in traditional cultures). Any man whose needs (aside from the sexual) are being regularly taken care of by his woman will find himself living with a resentful shrew in due time. No amount of alpha posturing or game can fix physical, emotional or financial weakness in a woman’s eyes.
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I’ll chime in with some examples. Crazy ex gf—always in a crisis….I was mostly dismissive. But when I did become supportive—after the break up–buying into the “You’re the most selfish guy on earth” bullshit…she only acted out worse. When I told her directly that her sympathy act was just an “act” and disappeared…wow…suddenly she’s back hovering around. There is no “crisis”—I think a lot of these women were damaged before the “crisis” and the situation was leveraged in their minds to create a reason to leave.
Second example…much better handled: 23 year old actress….while I was banging her she would always slip in stories about her “Depression” “medication” “Shrink” I was empathetic and listened but didn’t pander to it. When she left me on some pretext…that was it. Nothing…radio silence…hard next. Now? She gives me IOI’s….
Fourth example…ex ex gf….wanted me back badly. Never complained. Had pre cancer surgery once…was texting me all day normally. Later she told me she checked herself into the hospital, had the procedure “Didn’t feel like” staying overnight so checked herself out…NEVER complained. A few years after this—most recently she wanted to have a go at me…so she did play the “I’m sick, I’m tired card”…the more that I asked her how she was…the WORSE she treated me. When I completely ignored her…she suddenly wanted to go for drinks, etc etc.
Final example…best case: 27 year old…banging her…from the start there were shit-tests about being “Sick” or “Unwell”…I didn’t pander, just “Hope you get well baby…” She would lash out at me: “Other guys would send me medicine, you’re so unfeeling!!!” Hmmm..where did I hear this before??? Oh…right case #1. My response: “Good, call them up”…situation? After some bullshit…still banging her…she gets it.
I never want to advise some dude to be a jerk to a girl who’s truly suffering…but honestly, you can be intuitive enough to tell the difference. Women who are truly whole will not want to “Burden” their man with nonsense.
In each of these cases…a girl who wants her man to think highly of them won’t burden them with her problems. It’s insecure or manipulative women who use their “problems” to bring their man down….
My own experience tells me that you can read the signs early and be intuitive enough to gauge a REAL problem with something where the issue is being leveraged to manipulate you.
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> “It’s insecure or manipulative women who use their “problems” to bring their man down….”
Or women who are SECURE in their belief that their Manipulation-fu is greater than your Alpha-fu and that eventually they will be able to maneuver to get you in an emotional “Sleeper Hold” [= “Choke Hold”] and Beta-ize your ass.
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“Or women who are SECURE in their belief that their Manipulation-fu is greater than your Alpha-fu and that eventually they will be able to maneuver to get you in an emotional “Sleeper Hold” [= “Choke Hold”] and Beta-ize your ass.”
LOL. Yes!
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Watching it happen to a friend right now
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> “Watching it happen to a friend right now”
Friends urge friends to swallow the Red Pill. We’re here 24×7.
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“Friends urge friends to swallow the Red Pill. We’re here 24×7”
As Rollo says, the red pill is hard to swallow for most; for those not man enough it’s basically triage. Or more simply, you can lead a horse to water but some horses are just dumb as dog shit.
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‘When I told her directly that her sympathy act was just an “act” and disappeared…wow…suddenly she’s back hovering around. There is no “crisis”’-
Isn’t this most women?
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“When I completely ignored her…she suddenly wanted to go for drinks, etc etc.”
Uhm, isn’t this all women?
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Lol, exactly what I was thinking. Seems it’s just a simple way to suss out the beta. (Ding ding, it worked! ) Don’t think he’s found a truly damaged woman. Thankfully it should be difficult to get three in a row.
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“Sympathy is in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.”
– our Drill Sergeant, first day of boot camp
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> “Sympathy is in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.”
Wow. Those are some seriously powerful words to live by. Talk about an Inner Frame.
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wala you are so into your ex man you have oneitis. you talk about her constantly
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@thelatentsadist Actually no, I only use that as a proof point for those dudes who are in the position I WAS a year ago….I’ve moved on. But I was pretty fucked up and at a loss for how to deal with it.
Many of the posts recently strike chord and if my situation can help other dudes navigate their way…then it’s worth sharing. I only share this because it was such a learning/teaching moment…that many of the readers can relate to.
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Likewise walalwala when I have basically any epiphany relating to women it can be related back to my ex. Often we draw parallels in the world to our own situations that we know well.
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@walawala: you have to distinguish between a 5 minute shit test. “oh, im so sick. (“give me attention
for all the bullshit i throw at you, beta”) and a deep trauma from childhood (abuse or isolation) that affects the life as a adult. but you are right. a victim role learned as child could be used as a attention/bullshit generator later.
women with mental or physical abuse should never be dated as girlfriend. The shittest will never stop.
You will never have a quite minute and you have so much bullshit thrown at you. I cant recommend it.
And even you are a guy with a good heart, they hate you for giving them love and affection. Because
they feel unworthy.
U can be friends. But dont date them. When they get pregnant, you have the hell on earth.
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@Rob. D yes….it’s exhausting being with these types of women who are like a bottomless hole you keep throwing your best into and it never fills.
This subtext of this discussion is the tendency on the part of many guys to be the “Saviour”…which I’ve discovered painfully is “beta”….
The Red Pill reality is that you have to have that inner confidence and strength to go it alone with women as compliments to your life….
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“D yes….it’s exhausting being with these types of women who are like a bottomless hole you keep throwing your best into and it never fills.”
Best case scenario is that you somehow “fix her” and then it is only a matter of time before she dumps your ass for some other dude that gives her the tingles that she used to experience before she got broken.
Otherwise, the unfillable black hole is a perfect analogy.
Woe be to the man that gets one of these women pregnant.
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. “The shittest will never stop.
You will never have a quite minute and you have so much bullshit thrown at you.”-
So there are women who do not do this?
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Yes, there are some women who do not do that all the time. They are so much less draining than the emotional vampires that do.
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> “They are so much less draining than the emotional vampires that do.”
But is the sex as good? Crazy in bed if and only if crazy in the head?
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“But is the sex as good? Crazy in bed if and only if crazy in the head?”
Whomp! There it is. Lol. You guys seek out the crazy, and then you complain that girls are crazy.
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The alpha way is to treat everyone equally, and assume that each of us has the strength to carry on. If he does help, it’s with aloofness and no-strings-attached generosity. Always outcome independent. Just like with game.
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This was the best post and commentary I have read in a long time. Fellas there is a lot of knowledge here.
I’ve always wondered about women who “always seem to date the ‘wrong guy’ when they are such nice girls.” I’ve always thought in a crowded room abusive men can scent women who seek drama/trauma cuz that’s what the women wish to repeat and those men want to dish out. It’s a variation of the old “bullies know who they can bully b/c the victim enables their own victimization.”
RE: dishing out tough love to women who have been traumatized.
Yes, it’s a variation of shouting down a crying victim, “All right! you’ve been hurt now stop the whining and identify the criminal so I can catch them and punish them or else I can’t help you!” Warm fuzzies inherently can not comfort the victim b/c in their eyes they have been wronged by a viscious, powerful bad guy that did not act politely; therefore a warm fuzzy simply can not counter that evil force.
That’s why in the old cowboy movies when the cavalry came to the rescue, they came in like gangbusters and killed everything in sight.
Therefore when a nation is the victim of terrorism, no warm fuzzy, “Let’s hold hands and pray for peace” will satisfy people. Only powerful decisive action will calm nerves and set things right. Why can’t our leaders see that?
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@ wal:
one little thing. If your real girlfriend ist ill. you can support her. Why not. I dont think the rule ” the more asshole you are, the more women like you” works for the MENTAL SANE women. It only works for the mental ill women.
Pickup is about getting a better personality, not about being the biggest unemotional jerk
on the planet with the most fuckbunnys.
You can treat the fuckbunnies as they want it and how they derserve it. But the good women, you can support, when they put your existence in the middle of their life. You only have to watch if you get something back from your girlfriend. The good girl will automatically treat you good in exchange for your support. The mental ill fuckbunny will but you on beta status and feels automatically bad for getting help.
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I’ll say one thing, if you don’t do that one thing that one time, and if she deems it important at the time or more likely her revisionist review of the relationship now deems it important, you will never hear the end of it. Repitition may dwindle but it will never be forgotten.
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@Rob. D. I agree, but it takes practice and experience to identify. When you get good with women, you can figure out quickly which type you’re dealing with. The signs are often subtle—just like IOI’s are often subtle.
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In prison you can tell the guys who’ve had their “shit pushed in” and who hasn’t. Some guys are totally destroyed by it. Other guys it awakens something in them. They become fearless.
It’s the same with chicks. Most women feel ‘damaged’ after they’ve been raped, but some feel empowered by it and never even discuss it. It’s all about perception.
I agree with Laguna Beach. Walk it off.
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So here’s an experiment . thinking about state and vibe still and how I feel when everything is clicking. It feels like I am in my own reality show with both a camera on me and a voice over going. Ever see House of Lies, when they freeze everyone but Cheadle and he continues the narrative with the camera? So when pick up is going great and the vibe is strong I feel like this turning to the camera with the piping bass and drum track of renegade s of funk queued up and I give the camera a wink and a nod and then turn back to the live action.
So I’m thinking about this and how powerful state feels. I’m wearing sunglasses getting off my flight with renegade s of funk on a loop. So try this. Stride to the beat. Slow long strides. Head up. Face neautral . shoulders back. Walk around like you are a young king.
Walk right up to a hot 7 flight attendant pulling her bags. Her head phones are in. She has large diamond on her ring finger. Just get near her and look at her. Don’t say anything. When she asks if you mentioned something about her dad say no. But why did you ask is he ok? She says he is getting better.
I say it must be a reason that you felt this, that you had this connection. Walk with her. Keep your glasses on. When she speaks with an adorable Uktanian accent go with it . stop walking, stop her by holding her hand. Out one of your ear buds in her ear. Ask her what she thinks of this song. Let her listen for a good thirty seconds. When she says it’s good. Nod with her. State at her. Slowly nod it’s powerful right? She starts smiling and laughing at this point She says well she has 25 minutes to get on her next leg.
Tell her, don’t ask her, that that’s enough time to get a drink with you. Keep space close. Dismiss her concerns about flight rules and alcohol by agreeing to coffee. Try not to smile when she looks at her watch and says ok.
Keep striding to the coffee shop. Keep you glasses on. Command the waitress table for two as you walk past her all the way to the back and take your seat. When you sit down now. Take off your glasses and state deeply in her eyes. Watch her pupils dialate. Stare at the small mole on the edge of her lip and lock your lips. She will start to lock hers.
Ask her to teach you ukranian, how to say mole. This will make her a bit self conscious but she will answer with a beautiful word that means God’s kisses, wish I remembered it. Ask her how to say God’s kisses are very sexy.
Talk to her about her dreams of flight and desire to be a bird. Take her hand and hold it in the table and ignore the coffee when it comes. When she jumps up to rush to her flight tell her to give you her wings.. And when she comes over to pin it on your chest put your hands around her waist and kiss her cheek (thanks HABD!) and then tell her no your lips. When she blushes and looks down squeeze her waist and pull her in for another full hug. Kiss her cheek again goodbye. And nod to her when she says she hopes she sees you on a flight soon that she will have a surprise for you.
As she tries to navigate all her flight bags through the restaurant allow yourself the conceit that she does look a little bit undsteady on her feet as she walks out.
Then put your glasses back on. Press play. It will be right at the spot where the bass line drops and the drums sound. Look at the camera of your life. Smile and nod. Feel like a young king. Have a coffee.
All just happened as written 20 minutes ago.
Game changes lives. Game is life.
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“Now the renegade s are the people with their own philosophies, they change the course of history , everyday people like you and me”
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCEQ3ywwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DtqWP1rsAMrw&ei=1mTqVML1INfGsQSBy4K4BQ&usg=AFQjCNHb2DmhxCbNzwp8tDgDf2_TEWTaEQ&bvm=bv.86475890,d.cWc
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Further on state. We all know music is emotion and can get you into state (see above), so logically other aural cues should provoke emotional responses. What have the collective minds come across on this with respect to game in particular? We see a lot on tonality, cadence etc. But I haven’t come across anything on like the shifting of tension in a song that provokes dopamine responses, or chills, goosebumps etc. You guys know of anything?
“The researchers found activation in an ancient, centrally based brain system called the dopaminergic reward pathway; structures associated with pathway, such as the striatum and nucleus accumbens, were flushed with the brain-pleasing neurotransmitter ‘dopamine’ just before and during musical chills. This reward brain response is associated with motivation and addiction.
We typically experience this type of brain response to biologically rewarding stimuli; things that help us survive, like sex and high fat foods. Modern music does not really help us survive so it is effectively piggy-backing on this reward brain system. This system can also get hijacked by chemicals that modify mood. On the face of it therefore, this part of your brain reacts to sex, drugs and rock ‘n’ roll.
Read more at http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/why-do-certain-songs-give-you-goosebumps#yqpLuD8H0EJwkgxD.99“
Study here http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v14/n2/fig_tab/nn.2726_ft.html
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cool story bro. I’ll make out with her next overwater leg I’m on and let you know how she is.
Turns out my LHR-EWR spitswap is…a married girl LOL. She’s just “not happy” she says. Yeah after that flight I wouldn’t be happy with a boring ass husband either. Probably hasn’t been that wet since the last time someone shoved a hose up her ass. Recent txt, “you are so bossy…it makes me angry but it turns me on so much.” Welcome to hamsterville…CH FTW
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@Trav777 – hey man you already established you are a try hard faggot with an inferiority complex, like in your first 3 posts here. You don’t need to keep reinforcing it, we get it. Go back to your fake “martial” arts…
😉
PS – it’s not your fault your Dad didn’t love you, I mean you were born that way right?
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@Sentient
“So when pick up is going great and the vibe is strong I feel like this turning to the camera with the piping bass and drum track of renegade s of funk queued up…”
the beat of a different drummer?…lol…
my wife started to watch this show called “Californication”…she watches the first season and goes “hey, Hank Moody is just like you…” (notice the causation…lol…) so, my vibe/attitude is that Hank just stole all my moves…lol…but it really is that easy…(now, after all the work…)
good luck!
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‘my wife started to watch this show called “Californication”…’
Uhh, why exactly would your wife have wanted to watch that show?
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I can’t know for sure, but I’ve always suspected that the writers on that show read this blog.
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Some sick quick picker upper game.
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Sentient, it sounds like your Outer Game is outstanding. The only concern I would have is about your Inner Frame – whether you’re starting to suffer from Survivorship Bias or whether you can maintain that “I just don’t give a damn” attitude which is so vital in dealing with Donald Rumsfeld’s Unknown Unknowns or Nassim Nicholas Taleb’s Black Swans. Shiznat like waking up one morning and discovering that overnight the foreign markets completely shifted and your net worth of +$X suddenly flipped and became -$X. Having some slut in your house when the DEA raids it and she has a bag of coke in her purse and they “asset forfeiture” your entire property. Having rough sex with a coed and a few days later she files a felony rape charge with the police. BEWARE OF SURVIVORSHIP BIAS!
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Cap’n – if you are implying that I don’t report or acknowledge failure that’s not true. What you see though is success begets further success… that is why State and Vibe are so powerful to me. It’s like hard to go wrong when you are on a streak. I get blown out though, but those are generally very very quick and in club settings, usually multiples in sets. One on one I’m usually pretty solid. so the question becomes – try more on areas of weakness or capitalize on areas of success… powder is limited – doing one tends to preclude the other.
I am a leeeeetle concerned though about becoming addicted to success…
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and where oh where have all the lost posts gone….???? Help us CH!
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Cap’n – if you are implying that I don’t report or acknowledge failure that’s not true. No, survivorship bias is the idea that you might be more lucky than good.
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Game increases perception.
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daddy issues can be lumped into the same category
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Splashing acid on themselves isn’t the only way women whore for attention:
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Icky. That scrap of her smug affected voice as she recounts the foul deed tells you everything you need to know. She’s lying, and crucially, does not expect to be contradicted. Narcissist simpleton.
At least she’d had the wit to do some research and get the “hate-filled symbols” the right way round, unlike many.
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The surprising thing at this point is that we are not seeing swastikas popping up everywhere all over the country
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Well, in all fairness, the usual suspect painters of such are, after all, only 3% of the population.
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Jonathan Chait: “American conservatism is historically intertwined with white racism in such a way that nearly any conservative idea could plausibly be understood as an appeal to racism…” http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/giulianis-smear-wasnt-racist-what-was-it.html
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Caution: Dregs Eliot, in his fixed and perseverative envy of the many Jews who outshine him professionally and financially, may be experiencing a Mustache Boy Boner. Hazmat suits.
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“When [Wasserman Schultz] sensed Obama was considering replacing her as chair in 2013, she began to line up supporters to suggest the move was both anti-woman and anti-Semitic.” http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3260353/posts
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David “Brooks” Bruch: Giuliani’s Comments “Unacceptable,” Incumbent Upon Republicans To Police The Party http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/3260386/posts
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One can smell a league off that clowns such as this Cathedral troll Subway is the type who paints swazi’s on a schul or temple… and then takes the lead in the “Oy Vey!” chorus.
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Riiiiiiiiight, Subway Jerkoff… bring the ol’ “you’re just jealous of us” Cathedral canard into a story about one of your own yentas playing the swazi hysteria gambit.
You (ahem) front-runners could teach us WN’s a thing or two about envy… that is, if you can find the time, between fucking over your hosts’ cultures and painting swastikas on your own doorsteps. lzozlzozlzozlzozlozlozl
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All kinds of women are damaged & will lash out if you’re not mr cocky-funny.
One chick I know is an absolute teddy-bear. I gave her some funny links after she told me she was sad once, & even at something small like that, she said, “Why are you being so nice to me?”-as an accusation.
The advice to be a little arrogant & in-love with yourself, even in what you choose to say, is right in many more situations than you might think.
Plenty of girls can’t handle it if you’re anything close to “nice” (except in the exactly-right few contexts).
Not even confirmation-bias, but many of my experiences reflect the stuff taught here at CH.
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Sometimes this is true, but doesn’t this vary with chick and situation? A girl who is in the middle, not really pretty but not defensively fucked-over, maybe can appreciate kindness.?
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Perhaps. But even then, the CH-patented 2 jerkisms, then 1nicety waltz
would likely be the starting point.
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Traumatized people live in a different reality. There is a paradigm shift in reality when the initial trauma took place. They live in a world where chaos is reality and normal is trauma. Living without chaos is trauma to them. People with personality disorders(Borderlines, Narcissistic) are a perfect example of the paradigm shift. Plus the nature’s constant shift of hormones during a women cycle just adds more fuel to fire.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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Heh heh heh… the good ol’ Daily Mail spits out the Rude Word of CH once again:
Are you a girl over 22? Then don’t bother with online dating
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“Why is it not uncommon for traumatized women to push away their supportive lovers?”
Women need to retaliate against those who hurt them. Unfortunately, the object of these attacks tends to be the men in their lives, for these women know they can lash out and not (in most cases) be counterattacked. It’s all about them, all the time, and no male help is going to be welcomed easily.
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“Women need to retaliate against those who hurt them. Unfortunately, the object of these attacks tends to be the men in their lives, for these women know they can lash out and not (in most cases) be counterattacked. It’s all about them, all the time, and no male help is going to be welcomed easily.”-
True words my friend. By the way I like the name.
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This applies to basically any issue for women and weak men. They dislike being confrontational at work so they bring their anger home where they feel safer venting it. It is not uncommon for them to also try and take it out on their husband. I act with indifference if the focus shifts to me (usually over some minor issue) and respond in such away that makes it clear I am slightly amused. I am not there as a punching bag but as a rock. Hitting a rock does not produce satisfactory results.
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Help her when she needs it. It’s all in the framing. You just can’t be seen as trying to help from a position of weakness or suplicance when she’s the one “feeling vulnerable”. It’s always in the framing.
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A really outstanding version of that is to LOAN a struggling woman money, rather than giving it to her.
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I only lend money to people I don’t really want to see anymore.
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Devastating
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Since we are on the topic of traumatized women, and we’re all familiar with divorce rape already, I’ll switch the gears and give you the nursing home rape. Since a lot of us here are young guys, you may not have given much thought to this yet. Often, it doesn’t matter. But, here’s the skinny.
Say one person of a married couple gets alzheimer’s. The other is perfectly healthy more or less, good for another 10 years of independent living at least. Alzheimers requires a drug regimen for 1 year or several years, until it becomes bad: the person is unable to remember how to eat, go to the bathroom, go to bed. The memory is unstable, the person gets violent. However, otherwise, their body is pretty healthy. They may live for another year or so like this. It’s impossible to be a nurse in this situation to your spouse who doesn’t recognize you, may run away and wander off, may attack you.
You have to put them into a special home for Alzheimer’s patients – obviously a regular nursing home (avg cost 70,000/year) won’t take them. What do you think this costs? So, you have your retirement assets, say a 401k, IRA, and social security. You’re over retirement age, so you qualify for Medicare, which has been defraying the costs of all those doctor visits and drugs.
But you decide that the time has come, and your spouse has to go live in the home for the end. This is not cheap. You yourself have many years to live, probably. How much money do you spend on your dying spouse? The only place that you can keep someone with Alzheimers is at home, or at a more expensive home that can manage people with dementia. Possibilities for payment: your own savings, veteran’s assistance or disability. Insurance does not cover long term nursing home care. Medicare doesn’t cover it.
Medicaid covers it, but only kicks in once you have spent your “countable assest” which is everything except the house and car, essentially, down below the level (determined by your state). The level is somewhere between $30k-$120k or so. Sound like enough assets to live on independently for another 10 years?
The law is not designed for one spouse to have long-term expensive care, while the other is perfectly healthy.
So if you in your family have any history of dementia requiring long-term care, and even if you don’t, you should familiarize yourself with protecting your assets and how to pass them to your children without falling victim to nursing home rape.
Do you think divorce could happen?
Using revocable and irrevocable trusts, financial power of attorney, medical power of attorney, a living will, debt forgiveness to transfer large assets, land trusts – these are all excellent tools.
Some links to make my point. Protect your assets – no one else will.
http://www.tn-elderlaw.com/Family_Resources/Asset_Protection_FAQ
http://www.eldernet.com/retiremt/couples.htm
http://www.alz.org/care/alzheimers-dementia-insurance.asp
http://www.medicaidmanual.com/qanda/
“MEDICARE is your government health insurance. It covers medical expenses such as hospital and doctor charges. It has a limited benefit for a nursing home stay, but only if you were hospitalized for at least three days prior, require skilled nursing care, and are continuing to benefit medically (usually undergoing rehab of some type). Under those circumstances, you may be entitled to benefits (100 days, at the most, but usually much shorter).
Under any other circumstances, you’re on your own. MEDICARE does not pay for long-term care. MEDICAID, on the other hand, is the Federally funded, state-administered program designed to provide long-term care (nursing home and, depending on the particular state, other types of facilities or care), but only after the patient meets certain financial conditions.”
Of course, if there is no next generation to pass this stuff on to, you might as well burn the cash!
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The proper term is “betastasize”.
The traumas a woman has suffered will surface later in her marriage. She will likely hold her husband liable for what other men did to her before they met. It makes one wince to see the dutiful husbands of professional rape victims making the rounds on their book tour.
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Some more random stuff. Thoughts about club Kino attention whores…
So hit a bar Friday night. In a city well known for good looking women and lots of ex trophy wives and divorced dudes. This bar is real locals place, so a regular crew there. Some really drunk cougar, sloppy at 9 pm and a bunch of real talll older divorced dudes just going from cougar to cougar. The cougar all getting their feeels for the night and the guys just pollinating. No doubt these guys were going to go for younger girls but looks like they keep up good relations and probably hit up the cougar when things are slow.
Anyhow most of them clear out by 10. Me and an older shorter chubby dude 55 yo. I open him which is something I’m doing much more of and have had some good exploits with instead of rolling solo which is my usual deal.
As is mostly the case he was a cool dude. We hit it right off and he is 30 year local in real estate. So he knows everybody. He is up for partying and has a car service waiting so we roll to another place. This was a rock bar which is good for a few reasons first blessedly no rap music, lots of white girls and they can actually look good dancing and swaying to rock and blues music instead of the spastic jerking they do to rap. White girls suck at dancing.
Place is small but very crowded maybe 100 people. Gives me a chance to really observe the whole crowd. Girls are all streaming in. Lots of the tall guys from the other bar are there as well. Lots of girls showing up with dudes. What’s interesting is that about 90 percent of the guys went home with guys and 90 percent of the girls went home with girls. Like after 3 hours of partying no one hooked up.
This is fascinating because if you watched the whole spectacle you would see these girls dancing, grinding and making out with bunches of different dudes. Like you would think oh they will split together for sure and half hour later she was sitting on some other dudes lap and she left with her bffs anyway.
Reinforces my view that Kino is really not that worthwhile in packed bars and clubs. Its just expected. Expected is not contrast so no alpha. View further reinforced with interaction with 6. So me and older dude are hanging, he knows all the staff bouncers and a bunch of people in the bar. He is great at open I g but admits he can’t close shot.
So we have a good time and I wing him. He is a chubby chaser though but I stick with him since he is being cool even though it will lower my value. Wings man… Anyhow he hooks a middle aged chubby and she is thrilled. She has a friend also middle aged and a 6, blessedly far far slimmer . Greg Eliot page.
So she is married they are here for a family wedding and are bffs from Canada. But she is fuckiing crazy. She breaks a glass and when the staff cleans it up she takes a beer bottle and throws it down and breaks that. She gives me the whole I’m married nothing is happen I g tho g and tells me she is a strong independent woman. So of course I laugh at her and ramp up super dominance. Tel her to shut up she is full of shut. Pinning her hands back. She is close to the point of breaking I can tell. At one point I ask her if her gold was real and she says fake. I say oh just like those ditties. Big c cups. She squeezes them together and I just put both hands up and grab and squuze them and make faces like are they or aren’t they. So she is getting I to things. But she starts really shot testing by breaking away and going to hug random dudes, dancing with them etc. Im Just shrugging and laughing at her.
Her friend is rubbing my buddies coco and they are making out. So cool for him. But her friend is now worried the 6 is going to duck up her night so she is on me to chase her go after her etc. In like nah. At one point she comes back over to taunt me and I pull her down over my knee and spank her. Spank her really hard actually a few times. She gets up and I pull her hair and whisper In her ear, now you can tell me you are turned on. First time I see some real attraction and she says yeah. I am.
But she keeps up this stupid game of go flirt and grind. So I go to the buddy and say leave with your girl I promise I will get this one home. He ends up declining and the friend gets really wound up and so both girls split and he heads home tired.
I stay another hour. This real real hit 30 yo is hugging an old dude and saying to me she loves him and is going home with him. Why she tells me this whIle now hugging me I don’t think much about. Anyhow see her an hour later alone and pull her over. I’m holding her waist. Talking with her. Now she is like who are you you can’t hold me like that. Lol.
So confirms that club nights like this they are just about flaunti g themselves and getting a lot of feels a d validation. Same level of laser eye and kino that kills in more quiet environs goes flat.
But the candy in display. Oh my. So much candy. Will force me to forgo solid pick up locales for me and burn out a bunch more. Sucks though because I am always a stranger with no social proof just dropping in.
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why wouldn’t she be pissed?…first, she has a traumatic experience…rape, disfigurement, whatever…then you ‘pile on’ by being beta…talk about kicking her while she’s down…
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lol
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ya, that sounds funny…BUT…her hindbrain doesn’t care…it doesn’t do irony…or sarcasm…or softness, either…the ONLY thing her hindbrain is EVER interested in…is superior genetics (the best she can get)…and ANY interaction she has with a potential donor (and presumably you want that role…lol) is trying to gauge the quality of your dna…
sooo, how does she determine whether your genes are better than say the rapist genes?…answer = shit test…the bigger the trauma, the harder she needs to push to get confirmation that you’re not a pussy/beta, and that she shouldn’t dump your ass to get with that rapist thug…and don’t think that her hamster couldn’t get there from wherever she’s starting from…lol…
the flip side is a ‘disfiguring’ incident that effects her smv…how does she know where she stands then?…answer (as always…) = shit test…(do you sense a theme here?…lol)…sooo, you get pushed then, too… you caving in bc she is now ‘damaged’ is a confirmation that she doesn’t ‘deserve’ (can’t attract = not hot enough anymore) that alpha stud (hopefully that’s you…lol) anymore…
your best move is from Laguna Beach Fogey above ‘walk it off, biatch’…but that’s pure red pill all the way down…
and hopeful you never have to deal with that situ…
good luck!
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Having a Bad Day, I’m wondering basically the same thing up above. Whether the way to deal with many [hopefully NAWALT?] victims of true [as opposed to hoax] rape is to be even tougher and more brutal with them than the rapist was.
BTW, your initials, “HBD”, are the same as Steve Sailer’s “Human Bio Diversity”.
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@HABD. LOL. Never seen red pill thinking applied to rape in that way before. Intriguing thought that women shit test their husbands after they get raped to see if the husband can match the rapist’s alpha qualities..
Instinctively hard to accept even for someone who has taken the red pill..
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It’s basically the plot of PA’s movie script on a previous thread.
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@captain obvious
“Whether the way to deal with many [hopefully NAWALT?] victims of true [as opposed to hoax] rape is to be even tougher and more brutal with them than the rapist was.”
not more brutal…just more alpha…and it wouldn’t hurt to throw in some modified AMOG/boyfriend destroyer stuff at the ‘rapist’…remember, what you feel, she feels…so, you could lead her back to safety/normality…
it’s red pill all the way down, but you should have the ability to game your wife/ltr/gf/fwb/fb/etc… through a rape with minimal side effects…not that you want that situ to ever happen…and statistically it IS pretty rare…
@CS
women shit test ALL potential and prior ‘suitors’…lol…for anything (confirming/revising your SMV…) or nothing (just to reconfirm…)…why not rape?…remember shit testing is built-in (hard-wired) algorithm…at the subconscious level…she doesn’t even know why she’s doing what she does…
“Instinctively hard to accept even for someone who has taken the red pill..”
let the bitter little pill slide ALL the way down…don’t choke on it at 90%…lol…
good luck!
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oh yeah, almost forgot…
“and don’t think that her hamster couldn’t get there from wherever she’s starting from…” = stockholm syndrome…
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Traumatized women have a paradigm shift in reality and fantasy. chaos and instability are what makes them tick, anything normal makes them go bonkers. It’s a tragedy that these human beings live a life of crazy. Nothing can change them, only ageing process will mellow them.
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ALL women have a paradigm shift in reality and fantasy. chaos and instability are what makes them tick, anything normal makes them go bonkers. It’s a tragedy that these human beings live a life of crazy. Nothing can change them, only ageing process will mellow them.
FIFY! Or maybe its “All women are traumatized by something or other and have…” Twenty five + years of having your body and brain awash monthly with dangerous chemicals and watching yourself bleed, can fuck one up pretty badly.
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Oh, don’t count on the aging process to mellow them much, if at all. I’m late 50’s and have dated a number of women 50+.
They’re just as crazy as younger ones, maybe more so.
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I’m 55 and I agree, women are just as crazy when older but I wonder if this is not worse because of this crazy age of feminism/ leftism we now live in, where everything crazy, immoral or deviant is glorified and encouraged ( as long as it is not something white heterosexual males like )
For example I heard that last night on the Oscar award show ( I never watch those award shows ) one of the Arquette sisters repeated the lie about the pay gap and she loudly demanded America treat women as equal.
If anyone should demand to be treated as equal it is white heterosexual males, tens of millions of them who have been morally and financially raped in divorce court. There are other examples but most here don’t need a list.
In my opinion, a “speech” like Arquette’s – and there are plenty every where from all sources these days – is the sort of thing that contributes in making women more entitled and more bitchy than their DNA makes them naturally.
Since the 1970s women have been encouraged – indirectly and directly – to be bitches, a woman in her 50s today was a teen back when this insanity begun, her brain is deeply contaminated.
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I’ve been involved with the damaged girl or two. There’s only one way to handle their problems, and it’s by taking an approach of indifference.
“Hey, what’s up?”
*cough* “I’ve got the black lung again… Feel sorry for me.”
“Well that sucks. Let’s grab coffee this evening.”
Here’s the kicker, and it’s played out like this more than once:
“Ya know… Most guys just feel sorry for me or try to fix me. You don’t. I like that.”
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Timely post.
One I’ve been seeing had a car accident recently – she’s ok, but she was pretty shaken up and the ordeal brought a whole heap of other demons she’s battling to the surface. When I saw her a day or so later, she collapsed into my arms and sobbed uncontrollably for a good 20 minutes.
After the sobbing was over I cooked some food for us and asked her to tell me what was bothering her, and she did. I then, for some reason, backslid into auto-pilot and started logically reassuring her why these weren’t things to be worrying about.
Her response: “I hate it when you get on your high-horse like this.”
So much for being there.
CH said it somewhere: Don’t bother giving them advice. They are constitutionally incapable of taking it without twisting it into an attack on their character or attractiveness.
I was pissed off after that, but it was a valuable lesson.
What I’d like to know is, is this phenomenon worse with today’s western women?
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Do you think your great grandfather ever listened to your great grandmother?
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Mine was pretty deaf from being on his truck and tractor rig. Did you know that in men as we age the first hearing range to go is the one women’s voices fall into? There is a god and he wants us to be happy.
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Of course he did! And then said, “Make me a sammich.”
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lzolzozzlzo Adam was punished “because you listened to your wife.” Read it carefully.
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@DirtyOldMan
“Mine was pretty deaf from being on his truck and tractor rig. Did you know that in men as we age the first hearing range to go is the one women’s voices fall into? There is a god and he wants us to be happy.”
same thing with vision. our eyes naturally start to fail as we age so we can still imagine our aging girl being as young and nubile as the day we met her. now we’re all getting lazik surgery and seeing more than we ever wanted to.
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COTW…
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yep exactly correct. experience similar thing 2 days ago. the nicer and more logical and “perfect” you are, the more crazy a woman will react. it is absolutely not possible to reason with them when they get like that, and since society now gives them all of the power, being with woman any more than how YaReally describes it (fuck buddies) is a very bad idea for any man.
I’ve given up unless I can get my game to YaReally level of having FBs drive over to my apartment to bang and then leave.
I had a “final straw” incident just last weekend, kind of like you described.
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It’s just your typical ‘does this dress make me look fat’ jibber-jabber.
She doesn’t want reassurance – she simply wants to voice her concerns. By you using logic – she perceives it as trivializing her feelings … as if there’s something practical about those, eh? Lesson learned – practice your poker face and never concede more than ‘perhaps your right ..’
Is this worse with today’s western women? Only in so much as there are more outlets to make mountains out of molehills – so if she her feelings are censored at the dinner table – then afterwards, she’ll be on Facebook chatting about her car accident and what a prick you are. Now, instead of ‘being there’ your part of the problem – by association. Then – she get’s stroked by some Chinese dyke at ‘Women in wrecks whose boyfriends are pricks about it . org’ and before you’ve done the dishes – she’s not ‘feeling it’ anymore, kicks you to the curb and buys a ticket on the next bus to China town.
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“CH said it somewhere: Don’t bother giving them advice. They are constitutionally incapable of taking it without twisting it into an attack on their character or attractiveness.”
This is just a basic difference in wiring. Men want to solve problems. Women want validation, understanding, comfort. She didn’t want your advice, she wanted you to comfort her. A little.
The high horse comment or any of its variants (I tend to use “you’re so unfeeling”) are massive shit tests if you’ve already comforted her and listened to her, which you did.
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Someone who is drowning will lash out, claw you, drive you under the water and kill you for their next breath. It’s commonplace for well-meaning people to rush to rescue only to become the victim. Lifeguards are taught submission holds, hair grabbing, body kicks and the use of various devices meant to keep the victim at arms length in order to protect themselves … to protect themselves from the person drowning.
There is no religious or moral imperative, there is no right-to-rescue – and there is no Red Cross Certification Test for dealing with a traumatized woman. The Red-Pill truth is that she’s going to punish you severely for your efforts – so don’t expect her to declare ‘my hero – I owe you my life’ – or some such happy-ever-after horse shit – as you carry her up the beach to the sound of applause. At best, some buddy of yours is going to hand you a beer and say ‘tough break’. That’ll be all – that’ll be enough – and that’s your lot in life. So, gird up your speedo.
Lifeguards are Alfa as all hell. Poolside, aloof, authoritative, head above the clamor and barely acknowledging the flirty bikini babes at their feet – and when the need arises they get to work to keep theirs from going under. It’s all in a day’s work.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-21/jeb-bush-believes-unconstitutional-nsa-spying-hugely-important
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Guys, I need help. Beard, stubble or clean cut? Which style is better for someone like me who is short (5’7″), of Indian descendent but relatively muscular and better than average looking?
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you can never tell. some girls love one some the other. Try it. If I had to guess, without seeing you, I am guessing that a guy that is Indian is going to look more assimilated and approachable clean shaven but I guess that depends on the area and culture. Indian decent in an Indian area, I got no idea.
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I go with the permanent stubble. I go over it with a hair clippers every 4 or 5 days with no fence on the clippers. When asked i tell women i don’t like to shave. It needs to look consistent so if one part doesn’t grow as fast as another or not at all it looks bad. Just play around with it or even better ask women as a lead in. Then argue with them about it. Heh.
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The Indian dude would look best with a military cut – even a full crew cut – all guys look best that way. In fact, to the extent that the sodomites have seized the clean cut look for themselves, going grungy has become the default social signal to broadcast that you don’t suck dick or take dick up your ass [which actually applies for some of the grungier dykes, as well].
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@KS77 – don’t think it really matters that much. Depends on what is congruent with your personality and image (or the one you are trying to project).
Blackdragon (who writes about online dating) is a strong proponent of facial hair – he says it is more masculine. My ex hated it.
I’m also of Indian descent and tend to go clean shaven or maybe a day’s stubble. Any more and it starts to look scraggly and messy and I hate the look of the gray stubble (the gray hair looks distinguished on my head, but awful in the stubble IMHO).
But as YaReally would say: try both and let us know the results!
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If you are Indian you MUST have a mustache! Are you kidding me? These days chicks claim to love the stubble, but pay no attention to what they say. The crowning glory is the handlebar mustache.
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I’m 4 weeks unshaven. I look like I just crawled out of the forest. For some reason the chicks (especially the younger ones) dig it.
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Beard all the way. I have a thick-as-smog-over-the-Indian-horizon beard. I keep it trimmed short and neat and have had no bad responses from girls. Some love it, most claim not to like it but as usual it’s not the appearance that matters.
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Reblogged this on Just another complex system.
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Heartiste, I know this is off-topic, but….AWALT
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/02/21/magazine-asks-japanese-women-if-theyd-rather-date-an-ugly-millionaire-or-unemployed-hottie/
It came out exactly as you’d expect
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I can be captain savaho on my white steed at times. It is, for me, more a matter of self validation to do so. It has never proven to be a good idea, starting with the one I saved then sired her next 4 children.
The impulse feels noble, but it is a quixotic quest.
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Years ago i went on a date with a rape victim. She started taking about it and complained at how small the perpetrators cocks were in each occasion. Course i took the opportunity to use the small penis gambit with her. “Yeah it sucks having a small dick”. She still texts me every now and then. I want nothing to do with her she’s a walking time bomb. I do hope she finds some peace, it’s gotta suck living life knowing your bat shit crazy.
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A better response: “I agree. If you’re going to rape a girl, at least have the courtesy enough to have a big dick.”
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I’ll take the “Shit that never happened” category for 800, Alex.
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Rape or sexual abuse/trauma is a terrible thing and more often than not limits the victim to experience a healthy sex life due to trust issues.
My experience has been that women that have been raped are mildly to severely sexually dysfunctional and are best left alone. They tend to bring up the experience when things get hot n’ heavy which obviously kills the mood and leads to the woman wanting you to assume the BF/Beta/Therapist role.
Another observation is that women with a history of sexual trauma will assume a starfish position before intercourse or be unable to perform certain sexual acts that she associates with the rape/assault/trauma.
I’ve had to end more than a few promising sexual relationships because of the victims inability to move past their trauma. Most did not receive professional counselling or therapy to deal with their anger, shame, etc. which too easily can be directed at you with the appropriate emotional trigger.
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I had a girlfriend who had been really raped–stranger on the street raping and beating the shit out of her. She ended up profoundly depressed in a mental hospital.
She turned out to be one of the best girlfriends I’ve had. She was affectionate, and apologized for being unable to orgasm. In a couple months she was able to relax and trust more and was a wonderfully romantic lover who would profess her love during sex and have strong, emotional orgasms for me.
So Machiavellian shit like I quoted earlier just isn’t always true. Beta affection and patience, helped, we had a wonderful love affair.
Sorry to advocate anything like letting your emotional guard down.
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You can do anything you want if you have hand an an Alpha from, but even so not forever. Alpha beta balance is situational and particular to the girl. and will change with her changes. Daily, hourly monthly yearly etc… That’s what makes any LTR difficult.
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In regards to getting back an ex
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/how-to-win-back-an-ex-girlfriend/
When preemptively cutting and running is it better to let her know you’re breaking up with her or just go AWOL and jump straight into NC?
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A local woman’s business was about to fail because it relied on a server that had crashed. I was asked to help which I did, but I got the distinct feeling she was one minor upset away from suing half the planet !!
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It’s sobering to read this comment thread, with the various accounts of how traumatized women tend to react and behave. Unfortunately, the women who have been severely traumatized are only the tip of the iceberg. Far more women, perhaps even a considerable majority, have at least been seriously damaged – and most of that damage was both self-inflicted and entirely unnecessary. Accidents happen, tragedy happens. But bad decisions on a mass scale are something else.
I noticed long ago that those girls with more sexual partners in their history were less reliable, less affectionate, and generally less pleasant to be around. Do those women who have ridden the carousel qualify as traumatized? Or just damaged? Either way, most are more or less ruined as high quality relationship material.
We live in a culture that plays upon the ignorance and vanity of the young and ignorant, encouraging and facilitating behaviors that are known to be destructive. It really is the inverse of traditional culture which, whatever its flaws, at least attempted to get people through the young and dumb stage without too much damage. It attempted to discourage behaviors that the person would likely regret when they were older. Now the culture actively promotes behaviors that it knows will lead to regret, damage and pain.
It really seems as if we live in a culture run by psychopaths. Functionally, we do.
The people that run this culture are not particularly young. They are mostly middle aged and older. They are certainly old enough to know better, and I think it is clear that they consciously, with malice aforethought, promote behavior intended to damage the young and ignorant. These are the same people that see a healthy white community and start grumbling that it is “too white” or that it is “white bread.” They despise that which is healthy, and seek to make it ugly – and they are succeeding. For now.
Separation is the only solution.
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My teenage daughter asked me recently why I am not more concerned about her injuries or illnesses. I told her men don’t show they’re concern. She asks why I don’t do anything when she complains about being ill. I just ask her if she’s fine now and I tell her I knew she would be fine, and I’ll know when she won’t. I don’t coddle my daughters and I won’t expect the men in their lives to do it either.
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I can just see your daughter now in 7 years.
“My dad never cared for me. He was so distant. Never paid attention to me. When I was sick, he simply responded to me in a sentence or two. (Moar and moar attention whoring, rinse and repeat for an hour).”
I think one of the only valid ways to avoid a daughter turning into a pampered sloot is to train her in a full debutante fashion. Max her beauty and social grace so you can marry her off early to a rich alpha guy that is ready to settle down. That’s when the whole my dad sucks and treated me like shit turns into my dad raised me to be blah,blah (insert positive qualities).
If she is ‘winning’ at life then the past will viewed in a happy manner. The glut of all the whiny sloots pyschobabbling all over the place is because they are unhappy either consciously or in the monkey brain.
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The women of generation x are an abysmal failure. Absolute horror show.
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I can assure you that Gen Y and beyond are faring no better.
If anything, they will be far, far worse.
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Oh I have no doubt. They too will be childless, bitter cat women at age 38, and the only difference is their alpha fux notch and number of tattoo counts will be even higher, probably two or three times as high.
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I sincerely hope that thanks to the Chateau and other Red Pillers; by the time the women Gen Y and beyond reach this point, the supply of Beta Bux will be greatly diminished.
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Dealing with hurt women’s lashing out response isn’t a big deal to be honest.
It’s like that girl trying to slap the guy she’s with, who grabs her by the wrists and whispers something in her ear after which she goes limb and let’s herself get carried home, and tucked into bed.
Just gotta know how to handle them, the hurt woman is one of the more hard to pass shit tests out there, you need to find the proper balance of caring for her, and not caring for her.
Not caring enough (or caring in the wrong way) means you’re not alpha since you don’t maintain your harem, caring too much will signal beta vibes her way.
I don’t think i need to elaborate on why sending off beta vibes is devastating to your love life as a man.
Like i said, it’s about proper balance.
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“Dealing with hurt women’s lashing out response isn’t a big deal to be honest.
It’s like that girl trying to slap the guy she’s with, who grabs her by the wrists and whispers something in her ear after which she goes limb and let’s herself get carried home, and tucked into bed.
Just gotta know how to handle them, the hurt woman is one of the more hard to pass shit tests out there, you need to find the proper balance of caring for her, and not caring for her.
Not caring enough (or caring in the wrong way) means you’re not alpha since you don’t maintain your harem, caring too much will signal beta vibes her way.
I don’t think i need to elaborate on why sending off beta vibes is devastating to your love life as a man.
Like i said, it’s about proper balance.”
Excellent post Darius Dread.
My wife is/was a lasher. Just about did me in. Did damage on my daughters. Cleaning up the mess now. Do you think maintaining a harem is required for the lasher if you are married? What is interesting is that I put her on notice that I maintain a few lady friends for texting purposes.LOL. A friend of mine thought I went bat shit crazy when I told him I did this. Ironically she hesitantly accepted this even though she told me to delete them from my phone. I told her I would not since I don’t trust her.
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This is probably one of the more bitter pills to swallow… Like many other things, it’s counterintuitive to what we have been taught. I saw it firsthand when my ex’s sister self delivered. She may as well have hung our relationship too. My ex went batshit crazy dealing with the fallout that comes with suicide. I stayed, against my instincts, and cared as best I could for her for and she HATED me for it.
That gentlemen, is the rub.
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Question; So I have noticed at various times when I am out in public that some women will start acting very “insecure” toward me.
Example: A younger gal is sitting with her friend in front of me at a college visitation event. I see that her crack is showing because her shirt is above her pants. I admire the crack as I am a big fan of crack. She starts to look around and then looks at me but did not catch me looking. She turns around a couple more times then starts to fiddle with her shirt and pull it down. She is talking to her friend who then checks his shirt. She gets up in the middle of presentation and heads to the bathroom while looking at me. She comes back with her shirt completely fixed and covering her pants. She looks back again…..
I see similar reactions all the time. Walking through the parking lot a women will look at me then start pulling her shirt down to cover her butt or do something like this. Is it a creep vibe? I have women stare at me or look at me in flirty ways also so this insecure behavior confuses me. Had a friend of my daughters make a remark about “your dad looks like a rapist”. We eventually found out that this girl is an emotional mess and ironically she would always try to talk to me. WTH?
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Yeah its a creep vibe.Even in internet you call yourself like an old, bottoxed, paranoid and delusional 5” tall dictator,who is sucking dicks of his jewish oligarchs overlords.Lol.
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Hot like Polpot-
Take the neocon disaster you call your life over to the Yahoo boards.
And next time you try to troll me come up with better shit than “bottoxed” and “5 inch tall dictator”.
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Oh, and here is something for John McCain’s’ butt boy. Now get over there and spew your stuff.
http://news.yahoo.com/john-mccain-m-ashamed-country-m-ashamed-president-175342180.html
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John McCain: always just wanted to be a fun loving frat boy, but does the family tradition thing and is tortured in Hanoi Hilton.
Gets broken and devotes the rest of his life to destroying America?
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Millions of ordinary white Americans are J-wise: MSM comment boards from a few years ago are the proof.
So which country is more in hock to said overlords? Putin isn’t perfect, but he’s a hero compared to any politician the West has produced in decades.
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What is a young soldier anyway? Let’s leave all the pretense behind and see. For the most part he is a brave young man who seeks adventure, but never really thinks it will be he who will die; but only some other guy. At some point he might accept the fact that his life is worth next to nothing.
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“Putin isn’t perfect, but he’s a hero compared to any politician the West has produced in decades.”-
Exactly Sean! He is the least corrupted. Americas last hope.
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From your own words I would say creepy. You said ” but did not catch me looking”, this implies you were not comfortable at least with being “caught”.
Ya says all the time what you feel she feels and I have to say all my adventures confirm this in a massive way, especially being an older married guy. No issues at all if you are totally fine with both.
That’s why I am becoming obsessed with state and vibe. OK maybe there is a dopamine response to being in state as well…
Pushing the logic, if you feel like you want and can fuck all women, they should feel the same then…
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Well Sentient, I have never had a creep vibe when I am in Mexico? The women all smile. Just sayin…..
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http://www.returnofkings.com/14506/thoughts-from-a-siberian-girl
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Putin,
This is a stretch in relation to your query but earlier today I ran into a former co-worker and his fiance. I had worked closely with the fiance several times in a strictly professional manner and we got a long quite well. Fiance is between a 6-7, overly educated, very Southern, and not that interesting. I detest small talk so after I had greeted both of them and turned to walk away, former co-worker takes me aside and tells me that I am not invited to the upcoming wedding as it would be “too difficult” on the fiance and he, former co-worker, was interested in only having “real friends” at the wedding. I was not a “real friend” as the former co-worker had never gotten to know and I was not “a part of the social group” that he and fiance belonged to.
Now Putin, since the first of the year I changed my game and my entire attitude to one that is similar to what you often talk about: this is my time and it shall not be wasted and I shall do with it what I please that applies to everyone and no beta can judge my awesome work.
I didn’t respond to former co-worker, just nodded my head and walked off. I told a friend who knows former co-worker about what had happened and apparently former co-worker has despised me a long time for various reasons. Thinking back to the incident earlier former co-worker’s body language was extreme mate guarding, to the point where he gently pushed fiance in another direction while taking me aside. I guess he was worried that I may somehow negatively influence fiance.
In previous days I would have found this entire interaction devastating and I would have sought forgiveness and supplication. I may have even tried to white knight the fiance into recanting her engagement and upcoming marriage and that former co-worker surely would have been in for a fight.
As I walked away I reflected that I used to take seriously that social belief that the need for a serious relationship would come with the age, but that need has passed and while I believe marriage and family is an important cornerstone for a healthy, functioning society I, personally, feel somewhat sorry for the many men who will marry women thinking that those women will provide some sort of life changing affirmation that never comes.
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anon2, I here you and agree that the culture has programmed a lot of this into people. I see regular commercials, the way they portray men and it is enough to make me vomit. I just can’t stand watching the stuff Disney puts out now so yes you are correct I have not given it any attention. I asked one of my daughters about Frozen and she readily admitted that they portrayed a creepy guy in the movie.lol.
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Frank, interesting stuff.
“I didn’t respond to former co-worker, just nodded my head and walked off.”
Nice!
“apparently former co-worker has despised me a long time for various reasons.”
There you go. You defiantly did the right thing just getting away from that crap.
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YKW has conditioned women to see normal white males as creepy rapist the exact opposite of truth they’ve ramped up lately with movies like frozen and maleficent. I’m sorry CH but this is true and it must be stated and continue to be stated.
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How has Frozen and Maleficent done this? I do believe that the culture has demonized a mans sexual desires no doubt.
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watch frozen and malefecent very carefully with your red pill glasses on. in disney movies (new ones like these evil ones) in every case the normal beta white guy who wants a relationship in the beginning turns out to be massively evil. as women are stupid and sheep, they are being subconsciously programmed to see normal white guys as creepy evil future rapists who will literally cut off their wings while they sleep (malefecent)
see also even CH’s recent obsession with Virginia rape hoax stuff.
the real rapists in society are brown and black men, and women are taught to see normal white beta providers as the rapists!!!!
YKW Disney and everything else on YKW TV and movies is a big part of this social conditioning.
come on dude, pay attention.
perhaps you have not watched it. take the time to rent and watch both frozen and malefecent very carefully and pay attention and you’ll see what I mean.
and YKW has the entire female nation completely WORSHIPPING these movies by the way.
also no Disney movies end with a marriage anymore. they end with “sisterly love” being more important than any man. “don’t need no man”
it is the CONSTANT message pushed on little girls via Disney
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I see similar reactions all the time. Walking through the parking lot a women will look at me then start pulling her shirt down to cover her butt or do something like this. Is it a creep vibe?
Possibly. I make it a point to never look at a woman’s body unless she’s right in front of me and obviously posing sexually for me. (They do it quite a bit, especially if they know me, so it’s not like I never have a chance to do so.) I also keep my chin elevated a bit and my eyes half-closed disdainfully.
Had a friend of my daughters make a remark about “your dad looks like a rapist”. We eventually found out that this girl is an emotional mess and ironically she would always try to talk to me. WTH?
Whatever. I’ve had several girls tell me I look like Ted Bundy / a serial killer… and do it in a way that suggested Ted Bundy was hawt. Ironically enough, I was never told that in my younger days when I actually did give off a creep vibe. (shakin’ mah haid)
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Thanks corvinus, I have to think that a lot of this is American women/culture.
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Types Of Game:
1. Quick Picker Upper Game
2. Text Game
3. Recover Relationship Game
4. Marriage Game.
5. Crazy Women Game? Is there such a thing or are they all crazy?
6. Dating/relationship game
Any others……
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As a man you are on your own if something serious happens. In my case I was in my early 40’s. I had let myself go to the point of being a few points away from Morbid obesity and had developed a severe heart problem. My heart literally would stop beating, as in a pulse of 0 over 0. I knew I had some serious choices to make about my lifestyle as in get into shape or die and a limited time to do it. I also decided that I’d rather be dead than be dependent on something like a heart pacemaker.
My wife decided that since I was obese and she had enough kids that now would be a great time ti inform be that she was no longer interested in having sex. Ever. So my sex life went from poor to non-existent,
i can also say the whole notion of a bucket list is really a bunch of crap. At least for me.
I did end up surviving and losing well over 85 pounds. My wife’s first response was to tell me I looked like shit. Which was technically correct since I had a lot of loose skin initially from the weight loss,
The loose skin took about 2-3 years to go away from focusing on strength training and gaining more muscle.
Later after she noticed the new me so to speak she informed me that she was interested in having sex again and that she had never really cut me off. I told her that I’d sooner put a bullet through the back of my skull than to ever have sex with her again as I simply found her repulsive in every way,
During the loose skin time, she had been arguing a lot and even threatening divorce which I could not afford financially. I showed her a website about mediated divorce and told her I hadn’t loved her in years and if she wanted to leave it would be a great thing as far as I was concerned. The yelling and threats stopped that day.
Strangely I now treat her as a crappy roommate that I can not afford to replace yet. She treats me like literally the perfect wife (except the sex part). Asking permission to do anything. It’s sad in a sense that the only way to get a good marriage out of her was to finally treat her like crap.
I have friends that are still shocked that I told my wife that if she didn’t want to act sexually like a wife that she could go sleep on the floor as I refuse to have her in my bed. And sure enough she now sleeps on the floor. It’s the power of being a pure unsympathetic asshole at the cost of having anything close to a loving marriage I wanted.
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dvdivx, dude I just read your testimony and can relate to some of the sentiments totally. This site is some kind of Fight Club thing.
“told her I hadn’t loved her in years and if she wanted to leave it would be a great thing as far as I was concerned. The yelling and threats stopped that day.”- Yes, funny how that works.
“she had been arguing a lot” Been there. I don’t argue now as it is beta.
“I have friends that are still shocked”- Yes and so do I.
dvdivx, did you read some of my experience? I did a major reset. I would recommend that you tell her she needs to get sexual. It would be good for the relationship. When my wife finally decided that she wanted to submit I told her that would be fine and she can start by texting me a picture of her tits. Basically, we have sex whenever now.
I have a feeling there are a lot of men struggling for some kind of help in their American beta marriage.
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“It’s sad in a sense that the only way to get a good marriage out of her was to finally treat her like crap.”
Yes! Do all wives end up like this or can anyone answer this?
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It depends on where your bottom lies. For me, it wasn’t so far down, so things didn’t get so bad. I suspect a decision to not divorce a morbidly obese asshole relates to the sexual market value a wife retains. Dvdivx went from zero to hero with a woman he declines to fuck – that provides a hint.
That said…
Ten years back, I told my wife I was ready to sleep around, and the content of my sexual life changed. At 40+, she still has options, but she cooks, cleans, washes laundry, and I help out because I’m a magnanimous asshole. The content of my life isn’t heartiste-perfect, but there are things a man must balance if he’s over 40 and more interested in business profits and eventually slowing down to hunt and garden more than work.
One more thing: after working my own heartiste-inspired marriage program, I’ve turned “no more kids” into a pregancy timed for a skinny wife in mexico for beach time, paid for by in-laws. And she’s working her fitness.
Or maybe I should just hit the gym more and take T-supplements? Ya’ll get the idea. Some adaptation of assholery is warranted depending on your goals.
For dvdivx, I don’t recommend divorce. It’s probably time for bondo on the old chevy, playing the field, and threesomes with women who’ll sleep on the floor. But perhaps that’s because I’m partial to that shit.
The married guys gathering here need to write an adaptation of heartise wisdom formarried life. Or a forum that makes RoK look the joke it is.
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Reminds me of the Witch in the Left4Dead video game series. Petite white blond with red eyes and claws. She sits wailing in depression and will ignore you if you keep your distance. If you get close to her she growls, a warning. If you get too close she attacks you…and only you…until you’re dead or your teammates kill her.
Coincidence? Or did a game designer have experience with a traumatized woman?
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“Could it be that, underneath the religious or moral justifications, men shun traumatized women because they know, instinctively, that those women will never be “right” as relationship material?”
Yes. And not just instinctively. The social behavorial patterns (extreme histrionics, BPD type traits) that manifest from a traumatized woman of such are reinforced with their interpersonal and social relationships over time. The kind of behavior that even the blue pill beta can recognize as “something is a little off with this one” within a 5 minute conversation.
A matter of degree along the same lines as women without a healthy father figure relationship growing up.
Reminds me of this slurr I banged who I took home 3 hours after I met her. While were fucking she tells me to hit her and choke her and tells me “treat me like shit” during. And it wasn’t a deviant pleasure fetish- something was off about the way she said it and how she looked when she said it. Proceeds to tell me in the morning her gramps molested her for years. This wasn’t a red flag, this was a god damn 4th of july ocean barge of signal flares.
Later pieced together her history from a few different social sources…divorced, kids from different hubbys. All things I wasn’t aware of but not surprised given the quick lay.
She was attractive, a 7. But she might as well have had “NOT RELATIONSHIP MATERIAL” tattooed on her forehead. Not that she acted awkward or drew embarrassing attention to herself…it’s just her aura of past irreversible damage was clearly sensed.
trama victim non relationship material rape!
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Last night I watched the deeply red pill; White Chritmas episode of the British television, series Black Mirror.
Each episode is self contained.
To avoid any spoilers, just get it and watch it.
You can thank me later.
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I’ve seen this many many times. The biggest problem with being another persons “emotional caretaker” is that there is no room for your own emotional development…and when something goes wrong in your own life (and it will) you are fucked.
if your Harley gets scratched, you get mugged, fired, tear a muscle at the gym, dog dies etc..etc..etc..
she will NOT be able to be supportive of you.
EVERYTHING is measured against the past trauma of cousin jeb titty fucking her on the back of the john deere….EVERYTHING.
Ask yourself – after 15-20 years on the Carousel and 240+ months on synthetic hormones each month which trick her re-productive system into thinking its pregnant what women WOULDNOT be damaged.
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Damaged women?
Never let any of them anywhere near you.
I killed a damaged dog once-upon-a-time. A lot of it ultimately comes down to possessing a precise knowledge of CNS anatomy.
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There is a time for everything under the sun.
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Happiness is a male construct. It is related to achievement, to conquering, often via extreme physical and violent measures. It’s the result of men fulfilling their biological destiny to overcome their environment and survive. Hence the victor (male) can “stand down” and rest and enjoy the victory.
A woman’s highest purpose is to have children and her biological success is based on a seed entering her body. That’s it. Sex (not neccesarily reproduction, reproduction is an effect of procuring the seed).
She does not need to climb Everest, storm Omaha Beach or go public. All she has to do to reach success is lay down.
Of course she could never then be happy with nature’s bar for accomplishment set so low.
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That might be why women want the biggest most spectacular weddings; to give the impression they accomplished something great.
Are they only trying to convince others or are they also trying to convince themselves? that is an interesting question…
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You can witness this female behavior at funerals. They don’t accept hugs, when in tears.
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“I’ll be there if you need me.” And then only comfort her if she comes to you.
Your strength becomes her strength. I’m sure there’s a tenet or maxim on this here.
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I attended a funeral yesterday and the solipsism of women was on full display…even at a time like this.
One thing oddly stood out during the open microphone portion where people could say a few things about the departed (an early 30’s man):
1) The men talked only of memories of the person and how this person touched their lives and other’s around them. Their focus was on the departed.
2) The women spent the 1st half of their speech talking about their pain (and their pain and their pain) and how it effected them. They finally got around to talking about the departed once they got bored talking about their pain and the cross that they must bear.
I doubt any of the other men even noticed this behavior.
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Resist the damaged hot girls:
When I was in college a very hot redhead from Norway (about 5’1″, 100lbs, and large perky breasts) tried to bait me into “raping” her 2 times. We would go out to a local college club and within a couple of hours she would beg me to take her home to fuck her. She would do crazy shit while I was driving her to my place like straddle me and tell me to fuck her while driving.
She would be all crazy and sexual until we got home and naked. She would back off from the aggressor role right at the moment we were going to do it … she would then tell me that I had to rape her if I wanted sex. Even at that young age I knew I was being setup for a trap. So I would simply decline and roll over and go to bed.
Fast forward 1 year, I run into her again at a club and during our conversation over a couple drinks she tells me she pressed charges against a recent boyfriend for “raping” her (but DA declined to prosecute). She then later tells me about how her father committed suicide in front of her when she was a teenager…
Be wary of the women with traumatic baggage. They can fuck you over big time.
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Good heavens! You dodged a bullet there.
In that situation, I don’t think I’d have had that kind of self control.
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Have you seen the recent David Fincher film Gone Girl?
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I have not. Similar? Would not surprise me.
This happened 20 years ago. I am early 40’s now.
It wasn’t until men like CH codified what I learned through experience and we had a theory to debate that it all made sense. Before that all I had were personal “theories” (or rules) based on experience and from that of friends.
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A lot of them are like that when they are about 21 years old exploring your sexuality for the first time in this world of mixed messages from YKW media.
I’m not saying a majority, but a good healthy percentage of women that age are cluster B bipolar timebombs.
They will fuck your brains out for a month or two but they will also go ballistic and chuck your shit out the window during meltdowns, and do crazy shit like cause scenes in the street, scream hysterically , attack you with a knife , call the police with fake rape allegations etc
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A red-haired Norwegian woman 5′ 1″?
The Vikings must have brought her over from Ireland.
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Glad that the DA did the right thing and let the cunt drift in the wind.
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Good heads-up for the rest of the guys, CloseHauled.
There aren’t that many Norwegians. Even fewer ginger midget nymphos.
She’s almost certainly notorious back home among her fellow nogs, where just about everybody in any particular cohort is far, far less than 6 degrees of Kevin from any other, if not actually blood relatives.
Can only pull the “rape” stunt in some large, anonymous, but similarly femi-bullshit-drenched foreign society like the US.
Having not quite done the math.
How many red-haired dwarf huldrer of that age and of Scandiwegian accent and passport are there, over in Far Amerikay?
Did you check for a cow’s tail?
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20 years ago? Oh right, she’s ancient now. No worries, stand down men.
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Her: if you want me you’ll have to rape me…
Me: if i rape you i will have to kill you
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Women will readily label a man that does not live up to their expectations or requirements a “loser”.
In reality, for every one of these so called male “losers” there is an equal/equivalent female loser who gets far too much credit from men simply for the fact that she is a woman and might be or is fuckable.
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for every one there is “an”…? Try 50.
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Can we settle at 10?
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Women are straight up evil and stupid.
Sorry Yareally, you can have a good attitude and fuck them, but they are.
It is a disaster they are allowed to vote, be judges, be senators, initiate divorces based on their childlike feelings.
http://allday.com/post/2205-weegee-captured-the-seedy-side-of-new-york-in-the-1930s
Straight up disaster.
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Especially judges.
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yeah and of course YKW women rule the divorce courts. literally. sad state of affairs.
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And why should you not have this attitude? What is it exactly that a man owes to womankind or society or even humanity or his own brother that would give a man cause to take on such a superficial burden? What has she done for ME lately?
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Stop scraping the blade across the whetstone long enough to call upstairs and ask your Mom.
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You can keep your guilty conscious. I’m good with me.
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The best of them are evil.
The rest of them are a combination of wicked and wretched.
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I have no desire to leave women better than I found them. Why should I? To reward my competition with an easier path to happiness? No if she does not give me what I want I have no use for her. Let her be some coward’s worry.
Also I have looked everywhere in my city and a few other nearby places for another man like myself who has a desire to seriously study and consistently practice game. I have found none. They just don’t exist. I can’t even find one brave enough to mentor or to even accept the red pill at more than a superficial level.
For about 2 years now I have been involved with a serious study of game and I am to the point that I cannot learn enough from mere naturals. To tell the truth even the best sources online do not have much more to say than a rehashing of old pua concepts.
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Maybe no one wants to go out with you because of your shitty negative attitudes. I would keep a 10 foot radius from associating with you just based on this comment alone.
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I don’t ever get a shitty attitude about anything and am one of the most positive transcendent people I know who doesn’t associate with the needy greedy or unhappy. Party friends is not a problem for me at all. If I do go out in a bad state it doesn’t take long for someone to bring me up if no my myself. If fact I go out and talk to everyone just to fell better often.
However…I do not see where pua is going with game past where it has taken us. No new concepts are being explored that have not already been applied by many others in one way or another. Not many experimental puas are around and game is something not even discussed much at all at this point except for puas. I want to get more out of this than the grind.
I keep trying new things and ways of approaching but I don’t know anyone who is willing to do this. They all seem to keep doing the same same.
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@Reinald – forget where “pick up” is going, where is it that you are going? what’s your mission? How will you REALIZE a dynamic, passionate and authentic life? Success here (D + P + A = WINNING) makes PU artistry, while noble, fun and necessary (for more than just poon, PUA and Red Pill is really a very sound philosophy) more akin to prestidigitation…
You sound a bit burned out on YOU. Examine this. Radical change often comes through radical change after all.
PS – crossed fingers will see if this post gets through, many are still stuck after days???
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Not burned out on me at all. I’m speaking to a different level of understanding. Pua is easy for me at this point. I went to my club last night with this in mind and came away with some interesting observations I will share with the class later. Pua is pretty much everywhere at a superficial level such as pickup lines being a social norm now. But the deeper concepts such as how the realization of the secret sexual soceties local to us and how their operations affect all of us in one way or another. Will post of the intrigue later…
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Your musing on sexually abused women being persona non grata to men in most parts of the world is spot on. Sexual abuse whether it’s in the form of rape by a stranger or sexual molestation by a family member will destroy a women’s capacity to form normal, healthy relationships with men.
From the time after her traumatic event, the will maintain her bared claws unfurled and ready to strike at all times. She will see you or any other man, even the most milquetoast manlet as a potential threat. You’ll be miserable because getting into a relationship with such a woman. It’s a kind of PTSD that may manifest itself in brief psychotic episodes where she will relive the Moment, like a crazed Vietnam Vet, to everyday hot cold moments where she will snap at you for no reason.
Another reason why they’re bad to be with long term is how they will screw up your kids. If you have a girl with her, she will pass those fears onto the daughter. But it’s worse if she has a boy. Like the Original Sin he will be guilty from day one. She will do her best to strip him of any potential threatening masculinity and by beating him into being a beta. Her success depends how present the dad is but its all but guaranteed if she ends up a single mom.
It’s best to avoid them completely, but unless she tells you what happened to her early on you may get entangled with such a miserable bitch. One tell-tale sign is how clean she keeps her place. Here’s a comment I wrote on an ROK piece on women who keep their places dirty:
“Quick insight regarding those women who keep their places spotless; there’s the possibility that she was sexually abused early in her life. Before any SJW’s start pouncing on me, this is not my insight.
I was told this by someone close to me who was abused in her early teens. She told me this in order to explain why a mutual acquaintance of ours acted so bitchy and OCD/neurotic with visitors to her apartment. She wouldn’t even let her boyfriend lay his feet on the coffee table when he came home from a hard day’s work. According to her the psychology behind it is that the victim want to feel a sense of control in her space because she went though a such a traumatic event where she had none.
Dating sexually abused woman with OCD can be as bad as messy girl for oppposite reasons; she’s sexually and emotionally withdrawn, and uptight.”
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Thanks Dr. Giggles. “Where she will snap at you for no reason”. Yep, I can identify with that. Some good info. What was the name of your article?
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