Many men will recognize the Special Occasion Texter. (To be fair, many women will recognize this stalker subspecies as well. I bet men are more frequent SOT violators than are women.) The SOT is the tease-slash-desperado who texts you out of the blue to commemorate a holiday or some other day that is ostensibly important to you.
Commenter ‘meet me’ has a question about the SOT.
What do you guys make of a girl who texts you randomly on holidays or birthday, but always delays for a strict meet? I don’t try again after suggesting, just looking for attention/orbiters?
The female SOT is a cocktease in digital form, especially if she dodges any offers for a meet-up. But she’s no ordinary attention whore tease. There are three common reasons a female SOT would behave this way.
1. Beta Orbiter Maintenance
She texts birthday messages to all the beta male orbiters she has accumulated over the years, and she does this as part of a maintenance program to keep her orbiters from spinning too far out of her orbit (or, conversely, too close to her planet). What good is a beta orbiter who wises up to the futility of pursuing her for sex that will never come, and manages to achieve escape velocity from her pull? She needs those suck-ups sucking up to her emotional needs, and sometimes that requires sending a tiny sliver of romantic hope — say, a birthday text — to her cuckubines.
2. Relationship Anxiety
A woman who is in a shaky relationship and fears its end is nigh, but hasn’t yet emotionally abandoned her current lover, will reopen backchannels to once-interested men. But she’ll do this with sneaky nonchalance, as is the wont of her sex. A birthday greeting is the perfect set-up to maintain plausible deniability. “but it was his biiiirthday! i was just being frieeeeeeendly!”
Similarly, a single woman who has started worrying about ever getting a man to commit to her, but hasn’t yet found that Charming Jerkboy of her dreams, will, with wavering reluctance, contact old flames or new suitors to pump her ego and to calm her anxiety. The thought of numerous men “waiting in the wings” is very comforting to single women on their first approach to the Wall.
3. Garden-Variety Mindfucking
She’s a wicked mindfucker who gets off stringing men betas along.
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Whatever the reason, the female SOT is best handled by, most crucially, refusing to chomp on her bland beta boob bait. Don’t respond right away to her SOT text. Don’t thank her for her thoughtfulness. Don’t move immediately to pin her down for a real date. Instead, wait a day, then reply “did u wish me happy labor day? weirdo.” Or, “you’re so cute when you stalk me”. The female SOT needs to know that you aren’t the kind of desperate guy to ask “how shiny?” when she tells you to polish her pedestal. She needs to be reminded in so many words that SHE’S the one who texted YOU, not the other way around, and this reminder of her active solicitation will reinforce the implication in her mind that you are the higher value company to keep.
PS If you want to use a SOT to open the lines of communication with a prospect, one irresistibly jerkish maneuver is to text the girl “happy bday” two weeks after her actual birthday. When she responds (and she will) that you’re two weeks late, grace her with a laconic “woops”. This is a small but powerful tactic to close the organic chaser (man)-chased (woman) gap, and thus improve your odds-to-lay.
PPS The rare SOT who is really interested in getting banged out won’t be circumspect with her texts. If you suspect your SOT girl is DTF (based on, say, past history), then it won’t take much more than a ‘thx’ to coax her to leap at the chance to continue the banter and move negotiations to the bedding table.

Reaons bitches do this.
1.) Lonely and it’s the holidays and she isn’t getting laid
2.) Just got dumped
99.99999999% of the time, that’s the reason.
I usually respond with a dick pic.
Peace out.
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3.) It’s chick Game, where “touching base with Beta orbiters and old flames” == “spinning plates”.
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This should get her hamster spinning and you’ll get a good laugh. Her birthday was 2 weeks ago…
Evil Pua: happy bday
Her: What, it was 2 weeks ago.
Evil Pua: u sure?
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You can always send a SOT on the day of as well… just lace it with a slightly insulting element. For instance, deliberately get her name wrong, or say something like “Happy Birthday, grandma.” They have difficulty allowing such small things pass, and will reply to see if you were joking or not.
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The idea is strong but seems a little obvious. Maybe just text her “today is your birthday..I wrapped a present..” she goes awww thanks sweetie guy…then you hit her with “but the present is not for you”…
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Yes, I agree it’s a bit obvious. I admit to floundering just a bit when attempting to think of an example, since I wanted to steer away from asshole game as much as possible, but it may be this particular tactic falls solely into that category. (Yes, I know asshole game works, and I’ve used it before, but I like other methods better. Take that how you will.)
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Women are very keen on these things these days. Back when pua was started not many people knew about it but now just about everyone in the 25 and under crowd knows something about it especially the kind of women who get approached most. It’s funny how pua is now synonymous with game and outside of it you don’t find many who can discuss game in any other terms. It has become the defacto methodology for social interactions referring to sex. So instead of pua being a distinct advantage like it was at the beginning, it is now more of a way to get yourself on an equal level but not much more until you really understand with depth the meaning behind why it works.
Asshole or not you must adopt a more naturalistic form of communication that does not scream pua or you will be quickly outed as a “chode.”
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Text her “I’ll unwrap you as my present.”
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Speaking of holidays, there was Chinese new years last week, so I had some Chinese food with the girl I’m dating. (Not Chinese, but they love the Orient, which they are taught is more deep and non-materialistic. The opposite is true.) I was surprised that she couldn’t eat with chopsticks, for me it has always been easy. Anyway, it gave me an opportunity to teach her. It made me think of various small things that you can learn and then teach a girl, or just impress/mess with her. Another thing is to empty a raw egg (make a small hole in the top and bottom with a fork and suck it out), put it back in the fridge with the other eggs, and then when you take them out throw the empty egg to her. Be fair, give her plenty of warning. “Think you could catch this?”
If she tries to catch the egg, that’s a girl with good quality. Whether she manages to catch it or not doesn’t matter. If she is squeamish, turns her head away and holds up her arms in defense so the egg is sure to hit the floor, then she is more likely to also be squeamish about things that really matter.
You also get to see her reaction afterward. Does she laugh or at least accept it, or does she get angry?
Plus, it’s fun. I have done this lots of times. There was the girl with the cool boots who smiled and expertly caught the egg in one hand without crushing it. Quality. Not surprisingly she was also great in bed.
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Whatever happened to the poor girl from the countryside whom you were paying to come into the big city and meet you?
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Wow, you really make up things in your mind, don’t you ZS?
She was not “poor”, she was not from the country, that was just something you kept repeating. She is doing her PhD. And I didn’t “pay” her, nice little lie there. We had already decided to meet – as we had done before, I have known her a long time since we share the same hobby – and I bought the train ticket and sent her the code.
Did you get it this time or do I have to explain something to you again once you make up more crap? I wonder what it was about that story that made you go full White Knight. Talk about projecting.
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By the way, whatever happened to your high-horsed “then put a bun in her oven!” talk any time someone mentioned that he was dating a new girl?
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Jesus H Christ, dude, I was just wondering what happened.
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re “put a bun in her oven”. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! We don’t want CH to know that he is that other guy! Ick-snay on the uns-bay alk-tay,OK? Sheesh.
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I recall a similar story so he may have some details wrong but he didn’t make it up.
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Ladies, and gentlemen, the ultimate script-flipper move: The Male Shit Test, by Arbiter. Not bad, not bad at all.
By the way, I advise against putting an opened raw egg back in the container in your fridge without washing it out. One of my ex employees got salmonella from a Panera Bread, and that’s the kind of thing that lives in raw eggs. NOT pleasant for his liver/kidneys/spleen.
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I was honestly curious about what happened with the girl, but if Arbiter unloads the same venomous vitriolic temper on his women that he shows towards us, then God help her. Poor girl.
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Hey I love Arbie,but…,some girls get off on playing Nazi guard vs prisoner type sex games. I think Arbiter would enjoy that stuff quite well…
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Wenn ich mir was wünschen dürfte….
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“… Another thing is to empty a raw egg (make a small hole in the top and bottom with a fork and suck it out) …” This might not be as easy for some of the ladies as someone with your innate talents…
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Asia “more deep and not materialistic” hahaaaaaa…..the only thing shallower than an asian girl’s mind is her cervix.
Common joke among westerners in Asia: Scratch the surface on most Asian girls, and way underneath you’ll find….well, just more surface.
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It’s like the old joke about Hollywood: If you pull aside all the fake tinsel, you find … the real tinsel.
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Cash registers for souls as Wolfie recently put it.
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King of all Betas:
“Be fair, give her plenty of warning. “Think you could catch this?”
Detox my Arbitox!
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Hope I’m around if you ever leave a funny comment
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funny not really my thing.
i do feel an imperative to point out to the newbies that the bluster, insecurity, and weird political alignments of certain posters isn’t an alpha mindset and to be careful lest they assume that their naturally churlish Gamma tendencies be mistaken as such within their own brains selection bias.
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You know its better and usually easier to “blow” the egg’s contents out, rather than suck them out, right? Plus you end up with the start of fixins’ for an omelet!
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That’s how you make Ukrainian Easter eggs.
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Ouch. Guilty. Really guilty. I’ll have to do some soul searching to figure out which category I’m in.
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I think a lot of guys here appreciate the fact that you’re self-aware enough to read and internalize the lessons about male-female sexual dynamics on this board, even if it doesn’t come out often in commentary. Most women have zero idea about their true natures and motivations of their own behaviors. Now, if you absorb the lesson and don’t change the behavior, then you reap what you sow.
That self-awareness gives you a distinct advantage over other broads. Use your powers only for good lest the universe give you the giant smackdown. MM2
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Really really true. I continue to learn, over and over again, that one simply cannot argue with a woman, at all. When they are in “that emotional zone,” it is if they are possessed and cannot even understand English. You simply have to get out of that conversation, be an oak, whatever CH says. You cannot even talk to them at that point, as every sentence you say, no matter what it is, will make her angrier. This is not directly related to Amy, but my comment is not OT re: your comment. The *reason* (at least in my case) for many fights, which are picked by the woman in that state, escalate to the crazy zone, is if you try to use logic and point out something the woman just said that is simply bat shit crazy (it just is), objectively (at least to a male brain). At that time she will take any statement, no matter how true, as a direct attack on her and her very being, and the reason (getting back to your comment) is her inability to understand the reason why she’s acting or feeling that way at that moment (and if you tell her like a beta, you had better get ready to duck a chair being thrown at you). So she gets even more angry and says something even more crazy, until the man has no choice but to throw up his hands. I actually think this is another form of subconscious shit testing that they do; the nicer and more rational you are (beta), the more she will be repulsed by you.
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Agreed. Good on ya, Amy.
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Don’t bother to search it’s door number 3
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It’s some 1, some 3. It isn’t 2.
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sweety it’s cute an all that you think it could be anything other than 3.
And Denial is a river in Egypt.
Once you got associated with the 3 greek letter crowd a set of behaviors became inevitable. I know you don’t “want” to admit it is so… but it is.
And sorry to say your future male prospects have been greatly diminished by your associations. But hey I’m game for the Pygmalion game like any Prof. Henriy.
Here’s the deal the antidote to your programing is to spend time caring about others and their wants and needs AS LONG as you spent in your Sorority.
Tough row to hoe no?
We all make choices dear… it’s about time that your realize that you past a certain fork in this road long ago.
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Stop giving her compliments, faggots.
Stop giving her attention, faggots.
Fucking faggots.
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This
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Is this meant to be haiku?
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Amy, I did it also. Very rarely now, but there a few men I still send a message to wish them happy w/e celebration. I thought as long as you write it short and polite with no kisses or smily faces, surely they will not think more of it?
I supose it depends on intention in sending it in the “soul searching” part. I think I do it to maintain cordial relations with people? At least that is what I tell myself. I recall one guy being very rude to me because I did not text him to wish him happy Saint day one month before. I remember clearly, it was Saint Georgios day, and when I saw him he said, “Oh were you busy congratulating some OTHER Georgios? Now I do the mass text thing, and try to keep up to date with birthdays and saint days. I thought its better be too kind than too rude. But after this post, not sure.
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“surely they will not think more of it?”
Seriously? SERIOUSLY???
Look, if you’re hot, they probably would like to some kind of fling with you–brief or otherwise–even if because of religious or friends-with-your-man scruples they wouldn’t actually follow through. Surely you know this…
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Eofahapi,
You have come across as nothing but a decent caring lady. I love euro ladies for ltr because of ladies like you.
But as you now realize too many men will take any attention as indication of romance. And the rare man who would not take it that way would still want to bang you.
But eastern Christian observances like saints days or even name days might be required to be polite… Minimal texts might be the way to go on those.
But above all don’t change you are a beacon of light dear.
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“Seriously? SERIOUSLY???”
Yes, seriously. Maybe you don’t get this, because men typically don’t talk to women without a sexual agenda, but girls are brought up to be friendly and nice. To men and women. I text “Merry Christmas!” to a lot of people, of both genders, just because I want to wish them a Merry Christmas. Eofahapi does the same thing; it makes perfect sense to me. She’s just being nice. Why this is so hard for any of you to believe, I have no idea.
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I text “Merry Christmas!” to a lot of people, of both genders
Let’s fix this.
I text “Merry Christmas!” to a lot of people, of all three genders, alphas, women, and betas.
For different reasons, of course. “Being nice” to women. Pinging alphas. Throwing a milksop to betas.
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eofhapi: I read a lot of ancient works. How much difference is there between the Greek of Socrates’ day and modern Greek?
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Carlos, there is a difference. For people who read very well modern Greek, I would estimate that they would understand 70%. And that is if they are a educated person.
Also, consider places have different dialects, for example in Cyprus, there is quite a difference to mainland Greece greek. I know many people who talk with deep “village” accents, and a native mainland Greek would never be able to understand them correctly. So many different words, and a very different pronuncation, for example, the greeks pronounce “k” like “k”, Cypriot dialect pronounces it as “che”. For example, “dekelia”, a village cypriot will say, “deCHElia”. or mainland Greeks will say, “kai”, and we say, “jei”. We have even arabic and turkish words in use and some english, because of how many times it was colonised. For example, if I say you look pretty, I will say μάσ̌σ̌αλλα, (mashallah), which even though it is arabic, it is in use because of the time the Turks and Greeks lived together here, before 74.
Most Cypriots, especialy the young generation speak both standard modern Greek and Cypriot greek, but not all of the old generation, and not if they went to private English language schools, then they will usualy just speak Cypriot Greek.
So for those, it is even more difficult, they will understand maybe 40% of the Socrates time text. However we have a few words in our dialect which is classified as “ancient greek”, and some mainland Greeks would not even understand.
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Ang, thank you. That is very kind, I appreciate it. 🙂 .
“And the rare man who would not take it that way would still want to bang you.”
But I do think that sometimes men over estimate that “men are interested in every woman they think is a little pretty”. I think for men and women to be only friends, is very difficult. But to be acquaintances who are polite and friendly to one another is fine. As long as the 2 are not spending time just together, alone. My father also thinks along the same lines that the majority of men want a woman “for the bed”, and from a young age I thought to myself, he is being paranoid and too protective. If a man was friendly for example, my father would say be careful, he wants “that”. Then heared other men say that also. And I thought to myself these men are all so paranoid that they think every man has sex constantly on the brain. Lol.
But I was wrong, because I realised, there is some truth to what they said, to a extent. But I know most married men would never try to cross that line, and so I feel comfortable being more kind to married men who are family friends. It is like a brother and sister love. But with single men I think it is important to keep minimum contact, I agree.
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Here are some examples, Carlos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_Greek
Strong Cypriot accent.
Mainland Greek Accent.
Ancient Greek language.
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Sounds as if some of the supplicating betas here will be kind enough to assist you in your ‘soul-searching,’ as you put it.
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nevermind all this “soul” searching…what are you wearing right now?
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Amy, you can be really crazy some of the time, just like any woman. [smirk] Mostly not crazy, but if the amygdala gains control, the cortex will run that wheel like a SuperHamster.
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All women are crazy. It’s just a matter of degree.
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Superficial and off-point. Any individual woman can vary wildly in craziness. Right before I go out dancing solo and right after, Mrs. Gamer starts boiling bunnies. After she settles down after sleeping, she is much more lucid.
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True, and it doesn’t negate what I said. Some girls have a lower “peak crazy” than others. For example, I’ve never been angry/crazy enough to sneak into an ex-bf’s frat house room to slash his clothes and shatter nail polish bottles all over his stuff. But I know a girl who was.
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Ok, I’ll bite, Amy. I’m sure you have pics of crazy things you’ve done to bf’s and you’d like to show them off. Email them to theasdgamer@ yahoo dot com I will look at them, make a comment here, then delete them.
Could be fun.
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[…] The Special Occasion Texter […]
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SHE: Happy Birthday blah blah blah…
YOU: Can you still fit into a size 6?
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Yeah +2 that’s a good one.
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A little off topic, but has anyone ever done Plastic Surgery negs? There’s a local surgeon who had some extremely sophisticated training in one specialty and then he did a quickie fellowship at the university and flipped on a dime and sold his soul and became a Plastics con artist. I was looking at his website and how he’s got his MSRP price list right there for each procedure [Plastics guys are beyond shameless], and I got to wondering whether that shiznat could make for good Game material. SHE: “Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!!!” YOU: “I know this guy who does tummy tucks.”
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For seriously Hard Negs, I guess maybe you could adopt the GI surgery angle. FEMCUNT: “Blah blah blah Disempowerment blah blah blah Patriarchy blah blah blah Persons of Color blah blah blah Geh Lettuce Bacon Tomato blah blah blah…” YOU: “I know this GI surgeon who goes in and cuts out half of your stomach and then stitches the remainder of it back together so that you can’t swallow quite as much in any one sitting.”
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@captain obvious
plastic surgery… neg? way too harsh imo. most women are insanely insecure about their bodies. it’d be tantamount to her rolling over after sex and saying, “you know, they have this surgery that can make your dick a lot bigger.”
when i neg a woman, it’s to demonstrate higher status. a lot of guys neg hot girls by putting them down. it works but in my opinion the stronger approach is to simply show them how over-the-top confident you are in yourself. that’s gotta be more attractive to a woman, right? compare:
hb9: you’re really tall, bet you got made fun of a lot for that as a kid.
rad: yeah guess i’m compensating for it talking to you tyke…
hb9: you’re really tall, bet you got made fun of a lot for that as a kid.
rad: (moment of silence) wait did you say something? it’s just you’re way down there with the other mortals…
nothing *wrong* with the first neg if you compare it to the typical beta response of “yeah i did haha,” but look how much more ground the second neg covers by implying i’m a god among mortals. it’s more *i am the prize* and less *you are not the prize*, and that’s what i try to convey in this kind of scenario.
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I like it, plenty of opportunities to use it here.
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A size 6 in the U.S. for non-couture clothing is a big size. I’d use 2.
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Beta orbiter maintenance is such an ugly trait. If you check those sites where women post texts of whatever, maybe they are Tinder posts, you see a lot of guys being the SOT and not getting responses ever, kind of sad. So, OT question, if you see a young woman, say 23, with a solid, plain ring on her wedding finger, is it pretty much a sure thing she is engaged or married? I would assume it is but who knows these days.
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> “So, OT question, if you see a young woman, say 23, with a solid, plain ring on her wedding finger”
Martin, I am around married ultra-conservative evangelical Christian girls, mid-20s, in very close quarters, upwards of seven days a week, and they ALL want to trade up to me. I can see it in their glances, their body language, their tones of voice – everything. If it’s this bad among the young married Christian girls who are deeply devoted to the idea of marriage and family, then for the post-Christian atheists in Europe [where I believe you live], the situation must be beyond hopeless. God in Heaven, I feel sorry for these girls’ poor hapless loser husbands.
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I have to be honest here and admit that I was hoping someone would say that wearing a ring on the ring finger doesn’t mean anything, and the way you are saying it certainly doesn’t comfort me from knowing that I must accept that this woman is now married. She is an 11 out of 10, young, wearing a wedding band, and she shows none of the difficult traits so many complain about. The sheer improbability of all these things together has convinced me that the ring is significant although whoever her husband is, contrary to what you are saying, in my opinion is quite lucky. There are all sort of reasons for a woman not to marry and the fact she chose it anyway tells me she must really like this guy and he gets quite a reward for it. Bad things come to those who wait.
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“Martin, I am around married ultra-conservative evangelical Christian girls, mid-20s, in very close quarters, upwards of seven days a week, and they ALL want to trade up to me. I can see it in their glances, their body language, their tones of voice – everything. If it’s this bad among the young married Christian girls who are deeply devoted to the idea of marriage and family, then for the post-Christian atheists in Europe [where I believe you live], the situation must be beyond hopeless. God in Heaven, I feel sorry for these girls’ poor hapless loser husbands.”
If you can oblige me, Id like to give my opinion as a 23 year old Christian woman. Of course my opinion does not represent all Christian womens opinions, but anyway…
Never forget even conservative Christian women are women. We have the same minds to a extent, as non Christians. There are fewer practising Christians in Europe now, (though here there is a higher percentage). My circle of friends consists of practising and non practising Christians, even a few Atheists, and when it comes to it, each of us react the same to a, (how can I say politely)…hot man.
I have observed how we react to certain kinds of men, and it is one of the reasons I am convinced we need to control where we go, which kind of men we are around etc. Imagine a married woman married to a “beta”, it is going to require extreme self control and love to not fornicate in her heart with some alpha (or worse than just heart), when she is ovulating. It is simple biology.
The difference is, Christian woman know better right from wrong, maybe they feel more guilt about bad thoughts? But they still have those same thoughts. And as I am sure you know, our bodies often present our intentions in dilated pupils, licking lips, blushing…etc. Men will read those signals.
This is nothing new. It is human nature. In the past women were more restricted in where they want, because it was common knowledge to men.
It might be of interest to you, to read this, “St. Gregory the Theologian’s Advice to a New Bride”. Very “red pill”.
https://christianorthodox.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/st-gregory-the-theologian%E2%80%99s-advice-to-a-new-bride/
I am sure Christian men are also having the same thoughts and reactions to a beautiful woman, as Christian women are having toward certain kinds of men. The importance is to control it. Modernity places no importance on control of it. But we should never under estimate for a minute that we are not all human with the same….thoughts and tendencies.
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Also, Martin, it is unlikely that a woman will wear a ring on the wedding finger if shes not married, I think. (All women know thats bad luck.)
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Churchian girls are very up for it because…. forgiveness and all. AND the entire structure will blame the husband anyway.
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Eofahapi – I want my rib back
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@eofhapi
Unmarried women wear wedding rings ALL THE TIME. To keep away undesirables.
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eofahapi, outstanding comment. Especially this: “Imagine a married woman married to a “beta”, it is going to require extreme self control and love to not fornicate in her heart with some alpha (or worse than just heart), when she is ovulating. It is simple biology.”
I see this in them all the time now. It’s as though I can read their entire lives’ histories in their body language, sense their growing despair at having settled for a Beta, almost smell their ovaries yearning for my seed. It’s truly horrifying to see the seedy slimy underbelly of Mother Nature’s perfidy.
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Lol about 40% of single women wear a ring on the wedding finger at least half the time.
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eofahapi, I’ve got another reply in mod, but it just occurred to me that in this day and age, boys now get vastly better training in restraining their sexuality [and resisting their animalistic sexual urges] than do girls.
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” I am around married ultra-conservative evangelical Christian girls, mid-20s, in very close quarters, upwards of seven days a week, and they ALL want to trade up to me. I can see it in their glances, their body language, their tones of voice – everything. If it’s this bad among the young married Christian girls who are deeply devoted to the idea of marriage and family,”-
Captain Obvious, I don’t question the vibe you are getting but are these attractive women? Is this in the military? I have always questioned how people expect women to remain chaste in the military but there are some serious blue pills a lot of these people take.
“God in Heaven, I feel sorry for these girls’ poor hapless loser husbands.”- Would agree with your sentiments.
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“The importance is to control it. Modernity places no importance on control of it.”
eofahapi- Modernity places all kinds of pressure and shame on male impulses.
As for controlling it for females I could be wrong but what the Captain seems to be saying is that most of these girls would give in to his advances on a moments notice. I think it is only because the Captain has resisted taking advantage of their impulses that they have not cheated on their husbands. In other words they are willing and ready. Correct me if I am wrong Captain.
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You know what, the ring as I recall was closer to silver and now that I think about it, she IS from a country that wears wedding rings on the right land, not the left, you may just have provided precisely the esoteric advice I was looking for that never would have occurred to me. I am still going to be cautious but now I suppose I have some reason to think she is not married. You are right though, it’s much more reasonable to go after an unmarried woman for so many reasons. Well done.
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and???? Run game on her and THEN see if shes NAWALT… I think you will be surprised…
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I don’t doubt that a woman can be coaxed to cheat but trying to go after a young newlywed puts a bitter taste in my mouth. Also, keep in mind this girl is extraordinarily attractive. There is much I could say on this topic, like how there are men who orbit her who actively try to keep her from talking to other men. I would love to report back what happens but I have refrained from this before, not sure if it has any contribution value.
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Yeah she is surrounded by beta white knights who ALL yearn to fuck her. That’s what pisses me off about WK’s, they are such hypocrites…
Nature is honest – she is hot. You know she is hot and want to fuck her. Ergo, go fuck her. The dirty secret non game aware people don’t know is that SHE (if you are Alpha enough – or dynamic, passionate and authentic enough) wants to fuck you too!!! The ring doesn’t really mean shit.
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> “it’s much more REASONABLE to go after an unmarried woman for so many reasons”
Martin, it’s much more MORAL to go after unmarried women [although Kant felt that reason=logic was a subdiscipline of morality]. But in terms of actually getting laid, in the modern world, with the unleashing of Hypergamy and Cluster B and women having all of this finance [excess money] and transportation [their own cars] and cellphones and social-media, which together enable women to interact with men at the drop of a hat, these days I’m no longer sensing any core devotion to their husbands in any of the married women whom I meet.
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“Silver” could be white gold or platinum, anyway. I know it looks odd, but its the same deal.
Irate husband? If he is man enough to mate guard, why is the little flower bending her stalk? Chances are the hubby’s fat, bald, and saw his best days five years ago. You can outrun him after a half block, if that much! If he even bothers!
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“So, OT question, if you see a young woman, say 23, with a solid, plain ring on her wedding finger, is it pretty much a sure thing she is engaged or married?”
No. I have a solid plain ring I wear on my wedding finger when I don’t want to get hit on, and I have a lot of friends who do the same.
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If she is attractive and there is no rock on the band…it’s a beta deterrent.
“When I don’t want to get hit on”
*Facepalm*
If you don’t want to get hit on you don’t go to environments or situations that allow those opportunities.
It’s like when women say “I’m so excited to spend time with my friend I haven’t seen in a while” and they get dolled up and club/bar hop.
“I’m not out trying to meet men I’m just here for girls night”
Righhhht.
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@Ripp – you missed it. It’s a defensive mechanism, so SHE doesn’t have to feel bad when no one hits on her all night. she has the magic ring to comfort her.
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“If she is attractive and there is no rock on the band…it’s a beta deterrent.”
Good catch.
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Martin, I have a wife like that. If anyone went after her, I would break his face and disfigure him for life just to show people not to f*ck with what is mine. Ponder that as well.
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You’re such a white night for your wife, Danger. PUA up! All women are sluts, deal with it.
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Thank you Captain Obvious.
“It’s truly horrifying to see the seedy slimy underbelly of Mother Nature’s perfidy.”
Lord have mercy, but you are right. I was a little in denial about it before. Nature can be truley ugly. I think especialy among Christians, where we know we can overcome these natural tendencies, (by not fulfilling them), but we still feel them, so when you feel them it really feels discomforting and makes one question everything they thought they knew.
I supose it really is just how men and women are made, the fallen nature. And I dont think we ever overcome it in the flesh, it is always there, maybe fading to a dull temptation. Mount Athos, for example, no women are permitted to go there. Why? Because the men are monastics on a spiritual path and can not afford to be tempted by the flesh. For the same reason, it is important for women to choose carefuly where they go. Because of course women will be tempted. (I know that might sound a little extreme to some non-Christians). In my opinion the difference between a Christian woman and a non Christian women is largely a matter of self control of where she goes. You put a chaste Christian man in a brothel? Of course he will be tempted to fornicate. A Christian woman in a room of “alphas”?, a huge potential problem. Discernment makes ones a good Christian, a good husband, a good wife.etc.
Putin,
“Modernity places all kinds of pressure and shame on male impulses.”
Yes, exactly. For secular circles, it is shamed more I think, men are percieved as bad, with even nonsense such as marital rape. Therefore every man is shamed and made to feel like a potential rapist. While women’s sexuality is encouraged. in secular society.
In a more Religious circle, mens sexuality is not discouraged, I believe, but it is strongly emphasised how men need to control it until marriage. (Which ideally, would be the best). Women’s sexuality is rarely mentioned in very conservative Christian circles. So we are told be careful of men, all they think about is sex, mean while women thinking it is abnormal to have their own desires. But combine that with the increasing exposure to secular society through media, etc, it is a recipe for disaster. A woman who starts to feel those same impulses feels she is a pervert, and the feelings of shame can lead her to completely rebel.
We have it all wrong, on the secular side we are saying women, do what you want, but men can not. On the very religious side, we are saying men, control it, but not even acknowledging such drive exists in women also. Pedestalising each other.
All of this is completely contradictory to creating healthy marriages and families.
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[…] By CH […]
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Her: “Happy Birthday, Heywood!”
Me: “who is this”
Her: [insert outraged hamsterese here]
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I have used “who is this” several times the past 3 weeks, in various contexts. I am amazed that it works every time. Because I am naturally beta to my core (trying really hard not to be), I have to fight to do it every time (it seems so wrong to my beta self). Nope, it works every time. I am surprised it has not become a thing that they are “aware of” from so many guys using it, at this point. Even if it is, I think I read YaReally say, it is *still* a good text to send, because it shows her that “you get it.” She doesn’t even care if it is obvious that you would know who she is. All they want is for you to follow the script. I guess even doing that is good enough, as an ignorant beta (one who has not studied CH) would never txt “who is this” like that. The rudeness of those words alone are very “not beta” and hard to stomach for a beta giving in to his inner beta.
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Keep on keepin’ on. It’s unfortunate that such deceptive bullshit is required these days, but we don’t make the cultural rules.
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> “Keep on keepin’ on”
This. You’ve earned a solid A on your first test of the semester. Keep up the good work, and don’t settle for B’s. A’s are for Alphas, B’s are for Betas.
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one of the very first things you can do to rewire your mind is to stop thinking stuff like “i am naturally beta to my core.” you need to be a bit delusional at first, err on the side of irrational overconfidence for about a year until you would never dream of saying something like that.
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Like they said below – don’t think of yourself as a beta; Our thoughts and speech affect our self-perception. You can tell yourself lies, or the truth. Telling lies to yourself is tricky because it’s a bit like a house of cards. You may do better by escaping the alpha-beta binary mindset. Put it more like this – do girls fall for confident men (especially outrageously confident, and even more if outrageously confident with women)? Yes. Am I a confident man? No. Why not? What should I do about this? I am trying to become a more confidently outrageous man. Why? Because I want to – my self esteem won’t let me rest unless I am yadda yadda.
And so, don’t feel like a guilty schmuck about texting “who’s this?” to some random chick, or even your bestest bestie. It’s a hilarious joke, and only people who take themselves too seriously won’t get it, and then you get to tease them for taking themselves too seriously!! Double money!! It’s the amused mastery writ obvious.
Just as the subtle chases the obvious in a never ending spiral, so too does the charming jerkboy chase the f**king a-hole – just a “Just kidding lol” away.
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Also, former harem members, pump n dumps, and ONS texting to make sure you don’t forget her or to get back in your good graces.
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I got two former flames sending me happy birthday wishes last fall. One is married, the other dunno. Either way, the subtext is clear: Don’t forget me.
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@polishsausagewithin – It’s nice to know gay guys do this too. Equality and all.
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My witty rejoinders:
1. “Missed me, eh? No surprise there.”
2. “I’ve been waiting all year for you to send me that. THANK YOU!!!! 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 XD XD XD XD XD … ”
NEXT LINE: “You’re gay.”
3. [No matter what the holiday] “Happy Grandparents Day to you!” followed by an image of Depends with the caption “I got you a gift” (Careful with this one if she’s over 30 and has a weak self image)
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Speaking of text messages, take a look at the exchange that a senior Hezbollah operative involved in the assassination of Lebanese politician Rafik Hariri had with his girlfriend on the morning of Hariri’s assassination.
This from the 2/15/15 NYT story The Hezbollah Connection:
The prosecution says that on the night before the attack, [Mustafa Amine] Badreddine [who was living a second life under the name Sami Issa], Ayyash and Merhi were in continual contact, presumably tying up loose ends before the operation. Badreddine also had the Issa phones with him. At roughly 2 a.m., a text message was sent to one of these, 3966663, by one of Issa’s girlfriends. He replied teasingly at 2:31 a.m.: “If you knew where I have been, you would be very upset.”
It’s hard to tell whether Issa is confessing to infidelity or to something far worse — realizing what she, a Sunni Muslim, would have thought if she knew. Either way, this text message shows that even amid the intense pressure of finalizing preparations for one of his biggest operations, Badreddine finds time to kid around with a girlfriend.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/magazine/the-hezbollah-connection.html
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>cuckubines
heh.
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Be a cockubine, not a cuckubine.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/archbishop-canterbury-gays-who-am-8703889
If I misuse terminology, it is because I am new to all of this. Please bear with me. I am beginning to see an application of game theory and the Christian church. In this example, the Church of England is the beta supplicator who thinks that if he doubles-down on niceness, he’ll win the love and respect of the object of his desire. But each instance of groveling before the woman (in this case, the wider culture) only brings on more loathing. The more the CoE tries to be be hip and relevant (Anglican “pagan churches” anyone? Women and gay bishops?), the more people see them with a feeling of disgusted pity. Instead, the alpha asshole, i.e. Islam, garners more respect than the faggoty CoE. I think there was an article somewhere about how religious movements with strong, clearly defined beliefs thrive, but liberal institutions die. The alpha religion (however retarded it may be) will ultimately win in the U.K.
To quote bin Laden: “When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, they will naturally want to side with the strong horse. When people of the world look upon the confusion and atheism of the West, they see that Islam is the strong horse.”
The Christian church should take note.
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> “In this example, the Church of England is the beta supplicator”
From what I’ve seen of the CoE, it’s the Gamma cabana boy who gets down on his hands and knees, willingly and even gleefully, so that he can be sodomized by all the other males. But more generally, everything you’ve said is true.
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That’s a good analysis, Von. The CoE seems like they’re not standing behind their belief system anymore, which only shows weakness to those on the outside.
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I would say it’s more akin to an effette tailor working in Naples, being bullied and shaken down by the mafia. The reason it’s apt is because Muslims act with a pack mentality, their jihadi terrorists are directly in cahoots with drug dealers, and nobody wants to speak out against the Muslims. (save for the Scandinavians who have outlawed their inhumane halal bloodletting, as opposed to some Scottish schools who won’t allow a single piece on non-halal food on their premises, to cater for the 10-15% Muslim population). The tailor just has to bend over and take it. He remembers just a few generations ago when his ancestors used to beat the mob back up their mammy’s Ass though.
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“save for the Scandinavians who have outlawed their inhumane halal bloodletting”
You are utterly, immasurably stupid.
What is inhumane aboud slaughtering animals the way they’ve been slaughtered for almost all of recorded history?
Have you ever seen how halal meat is slaughtered? I have. You’re full of dogshit.
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Ho’s right, you’re a moron. Halal slaughter just means they used an IED.
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Well, that was only a tangential point, but you did cause me to question my assertions. And it seems that all slaughterhouses are quite inhumane. No approach is necessarily better, although there has been a move towards pre-stunning in the last 100 years, which is considered more humane. Egypt has fatwad electro stunning, so NAMALT. I’ve never seen a slaughter but environmental agencies are arresting anyone who does halal in their gardens, on account of disease control issues, etc. It takes fortitude to observe a slaughter, so I recognise that. As you say, it’s one of the few methods that has been used since antiquity. Societies are now disconnected from the slaughter that’s done in their name, whereas I assume people had more of an appreciation of the grisly nature of meat-eating in the past.
I meant to emphasise the French and Belgian outlaw of the niqab/hijab/burkha (whichever one amounts to a hostile two fingers up to the society they’re occupying – usually while scrounging benefits from). At least that was an example where those countries didn’t kowtow to the invading forces, the way the businessmen in Naples have to. France and Belgium are more Catholic dominated, so their approach has been a bit less shit-eating than the BBC/CoE.
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The Archdruid of Canterbury is a card-carrying member of the Frankfurt School. He’s deliberately sabotaging the organization he represents.
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“Archdruid of Canterbury” LOL’ed.
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er, now don’t get all excitable you lot, I know arbiter’s been buggering on about ovens in the first few posts, but .. he’s jewish.
Name of Weiler, not Welby, originally. And a former red-only-in-tooth-and-claw oil exec. No frankfurter he, or even discernible weiner.
And the other one is african. Ebor, that one. Uganda originally.
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So you’re convinced that Islamic bully boys are really as tough and alpha as they want you to think they are? Says more about you than them.
A lot of people don’t feel alpha, but try to behave that way to hide their weakness and insecurity. Sometimes it works. And it works better on some people than others. Terrorism and extremism are inherently the preserve of the weak. Only a weak person would be fooled into regarding it as strength.
And don’t get me started on the CH pin-up boy Vlad Putin, who is one of the least secure human beings in the world …
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I hope it doesn’t take eight years this time to take out Jihadi John. Everyone needs to see the nail that sticks up and murders gets hammered down.
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The CoE is symptomatic of the greater malaise affecting Britain and Europe as a whole.
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Wishing a girl (potential lay) happy birthday ANY time of the year except near her birthday is a great neg. The further away from the actual date the better.
Also reaching out and and reminding her of the anniversary of something unpleasant, like the day she accidentally ran over her dog, is another appropriate neg for a girl giving you the runaround. Do NOT remind her of something truly horrific, though. Subtlety is key.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-50-shades-of-grey-uic-sex-charge-20150223-story.html
Slut lets beta-boy play 50 Shades, cries rape after his roomate comes home and sees what kind of sperg she spread her legs for.
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I predicted this sort of thing. It is generally not good that 50 Shades has come out. All it can do is mess things up. Most guys with experience with women know that most women enjoy being tied up in a light-hearted way (“fuzzy pink handcuffs”), and we’ve been doing that for years. Not “first time having sex with this girl,” of course, but with LTRs after things get comfy. As with anything, women need men to lead and will rarely expressly ask for this (although a fair number of young hotties come equipped with their own handcuffs).
All this 50 Shades crap is doing is confusing girls into thinking that this type of thing might be a new idea to men, or making it like they needed this movie to explore this type of sexuality, and lower beta spergs can get fucked over like this or repulse women. I won’t waste my time watching the movie, but according to YaReally’s analysis, the actor comes off as creepy-beta (not good eye contact). It’s a bad example of what fun/playful bondage with a loving couple can be (and usually *is* in the real world). Another bad thing about 50 Shades (as I understand it) is that there is a lot of pain (the SM part of BDSM), which the vast majority of both women AND men are *not* into. The movie is just stupid and creepy. It’s just all wrong. It’s too violent and too “beta” all at the same time.
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Also shows girls will decide after the fact that they didn’t really want to go through with it. They’ll “woo” girl it up in public where it’s safe, but when the dork’s roomate comes home and sees the slut his nerdy roomate got to bang she gets embarassed and reinvents what happened.
Any ideas on how to prevent buyer’s remorse for such an intense hook-up? I’m guessing the egg mcmuffin isn’t enough for this.
I’ve always found the girl feels very vulnerable after this type of coitus and wants to be held for a while. Not cuddled or snuggled, but literally held where she is curled up aside your body while she processes what she just let you do to her.
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This shit is gonna get bad. Busy with work but will write up my thoughts sometime. It’s like someone just handed a bunch of machine guns to a schoolyard full of children.
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> “It’s like SOMEONE just handed a bunch of machine guns to a schoolyard full of children.”
Gee, I wonder who…
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Denizens of Baphomet
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The guy’s name is Mohamed Hussein…I was not expecting that.
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This is what people get for trusting in hollyweird.
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What if its a bday wish on your FB wall? Does it merit a response?
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No.
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Traveled down this rabbit hole a number of times – random SOTs from any number of desperate hamsterinas. In just about every case of 7.5+ gals, its reassurance and/or a grudge revenge sex reassurance opportunity when their current situation has gone awry. So for 7.5+ gals its best to press for for DTF IOI signs – but not immediately – late that same night or noon the following day.
As for the the sub 7s, (1) and (3) are predominantly operative and one should feed the hamster her pellets. Pedestal polisher solicitations indeed.
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8=========D~~~
Go for the gold.
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Thanks, Heartiste. You are a true brother! Come for the social commentary on these crazy times we live in, stay for the game advice (or is that the other way around?) Because even after multiple kids and 10+ years marriage, GAME NEVER STOPS!
As a humble suggestion, could you write sometime on consent game? The whole idea that every stage of romance now needs its own notarized paperwork, while sickeningly PC, can be be reframed and turned on its head with the right playful alpha attitude as the whole point, in a sense, is that it assumes the sale. Bonus points if it can be done to make it seem like she is the one asking for your consent (reverse the roles).
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Based on my observations, the SOT is more of a Beta-male move than a female move. I think #2 is the most common reason you will see women venturing into this terrain — just a way for them to safely test the waters if they’re not happy in their current relationship.
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The happy birthday or happy holiday text is a platitude. If there’s a rational behind it – it’s to emotionally connect with the good time you’re having – or to remind you of the good time you should be having – but arn’t.
Either way – Platitude texts are simplistic, empty, inane, pointless, inconsequential, and insignificant statements, that serve as annoying reminders that she really couldn’t be bothered.
Ignore them, agree and amplify – or recite them back with a twist.
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OT: My ingénue is classically susceptible to egg-cycle game: sweetness gets the bang from day 5 to 10, but after that I get tough through to day 20. Any hint of weakness there and it’s full metal bitch resistance.
The only thing that’s odd to me is after that, though there is some verbal complaining back through to day 1, sexually she’s pretty compliant to soft game in the PMS phase.
Other’s experience?
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explain how you mastered to game her cycle.
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Evpsych has been my hobby for decades, so I’ve long known women are horniest at ovulation and I always liked keeping track of cycles of various gf’s and the ex-wife from whatever info they would drop. But I was lesser beta all that time, so could never use it to real advantage. Puzzled me.
Got serious about this ingénue and CH at the same time and it became clear: yeah they’re horny around day 14, but not for beta.
I hard neg her, treat her shit-tests with aggression and send ruthlessly sexual, BDSM messages from day 10-20. Spanking good advice here, literally.
The rest of the time, I can be pretty much a pussvcat with her.
She likes that I keep track, partly because my profession is THE classic conventional alpha one. She often asks ME where she’s at.
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lol. moonphases. like basic game 101
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101 for sure.
But I do wonder if moon length=menses length is a coincidence. Something to do with sneaking away from beta sux at full moon, to get the alpha cux? Heh.
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sean,
the classic conventional alpha profession?
what’s that — member of seal team 6?
always thought alpha was an attitude, an approach to the world that others admired and wanted to copy.
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Erratic. Some are uncomfortable during ovulation, actual pain from egg release, some are much hornier right before PMS when their hormones are way out of wack. There will be that time of the month though when they are hornier, just may not align with the schedule so neatly.
Also be advised if she is on hormonal birth control (like what 70% of 30 and under?) she is NOT ovulating anyway and these hormonal surges are not happening.
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Hmm. What about if you just send a mass text on New Years/Christmas/Easter/Lent to all of your phonebook? Does that count for SOT?
Also you sometimes just know whos birthday or name day it is, and just sent a message just being polite. I have also recieved happy birthday messages or happy name day messages from men, and have never read more in to it than just politeness.
Maybe for some women, it is different. I suppose if a woman wants to keep her orbeters orbiting, the SPT is a good excuse to do so.
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Happy Groundhog Day – Phil in da hole?
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SOT: Happy Arbor Day!
Him: Lotza lumber 4u
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/ron-paul-interventionism-kills-post-coup-ukraine-one-year-later
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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I got one last year: “Happy belated birthday to you…”
I waited a week, then replied at 3am when I was coming home from something:
“Oh…”
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I’ve always gotten that text if a girl hasn’t spoken to me in a while and is afraid she’s about to lose me to a relationship. I’ll text back something snarky and delayed, and get “K”. Say nothing, wait for her to text back. Except this time, her intentions will be more transparent; she’ll cut to the chase. If you don’t play your cards like an idiot, it is very easy to smash.
Speaking of the “K” response, the last refuge of bratty Western girls…is there a better response other than silence?
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Text that you now hate Calvin Harris because his eyes just might be prettier than your.
Hamster unwind.
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Here’s a weird one for you fellas.. Got a text from a HB 9 saying “Hey I’m not talking to boys til March 10th. U can text me back then if u like :)”
Some background info: Picked this one up at the bar. Went on two casual dates which went so-so (she’s a bit of a bitch). I then left town for three weeks for work. Texted her a few days after I got back and that was her response. She’s a career girl so could very well be busy… but I’m also not gonna txt her back on the 10th like some chump.
Thought about saying “Why don’t you call me when you’re done being a little girl.” or something to that effect. Ideas?
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@wickedwabbit
Send “who’s this?” Then don’t reply to anything she replies to that text with, till March 20th.
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Does that really work? I mean I texted her first, she knows damn well that I know who it is… I appreciate your advice/experience but I don’t see how that would play out without sounding retarded?
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Nevermind! I thought about it for a moment and it makes perfect sense. By saying that I deny any association with her and her “boys”. Also leaves her with the impression that she never mattered much to me in the first place (which is true). Thanks for the tip!
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Disagree. I’d push through. She’s weeding out listeners but likely has little options. Looking for an epifany “keeper”, needs to justify the “winner (loser) and needs a story for her sprogs.
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*spelt “epiphany” like a hillbilly
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I’m curious to see how that plays out. Let us know.
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@wickedwabbit
Shit, sorry, I missed this part: “Texted her a few days after I got back and that was her response”
I thought you had no contact for 3 weeks and then just received that text out of the blue lol if THAT were the case it would be solid but if that was her reply to you then I would just txt an ambiguous “lol” and not text her again, and if she texts down the road in a couple months reply with a “who’s this?”
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@yareally – Question – what are your thoughts on texting back something like “Aaawww. and you are breaking your rule for me. That’s so cute.”
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@Sentient “what are your thoughts on texting back something like “Aaawww. and you are breaking your rule for me. That’s so cute.””
Being a HB9, I don’t think she wouldn’t respond to that. Doesn’t really make her react and she can just as easily ignore it.
He went on two dates, got nowhere, and then you send something like that? I feel like his value is already not great. She’s clearly not chasing him at all.
“Lol” and “Who’s this?” are better, scream abundance, and give off a solid IDGAF attitude.
Disclaimer – take with grain of salt, XP is king.
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@Sentient *I don’t think she WOULD respond to that.* (typo)
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@Hunter – yeah those are good responses… but my thinking here is that she may get a bunch of “Gay” “LOL” “Yawn” “…” type responses, especially as this is proscribed by game blogs whereas “Aaawww. and you are breaking your rule for me. That’s so cute.” I think accomplishes the same thing – communicates amused mastery but in a unique way.
Curious for others thoughts. I have no text game, so this is theoretical. But interesting. Why would LOL be better?
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@Sentient
““Gay” sounds butthurt in this context.
“LOL” sounds like he doesn’t care. And doesn’t take the interaction seriously.
“Yawn” doesn’t make sense here cuz he doesn’t have enough value for her to chase his validation by responding.
“…” same as “Yawn” cuz he doesn’t have enough value.
“Lol” leaves things open and ends on a positive note. In a world where everyone takes things too seriously, lol’s a breath of fresh air. No one wants to feel obligated to do anything, especially not hot girls/cool ass dudes.
People just want to have fun. Nothing out of those responses conveys “fun” better than “lol”. “Gay” maybe, but still seems a bit butthurty to me.
Just my thoughts.
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I guess it shows my advancing age that I’d hard next, because I prefer talking to non-retards. “I’m not talking to boys until March 10”? The fuck.
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“Boys” plural, ergo slut.
Two dates got nowhere? GFTOW.
“Difficult women remain difficult.” Paul Janka.
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How about “Zzzzz” or “Yawn…”
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I’d assume she was sulking because I didn’t text her for three weeks. Maybe wrong, doesn’t matter.
Beta replies: “why??” or taking it personal
You did text her with the aim of meeting up right? So plow
Reply: “lol cute.. [invite her for whatever with good logistics]”. Then handle any shit test she may throw.
You should work on your logistics/game boyfriend. 3 dates is way too much I promise
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“Got weird chars in your text, ‘H&9 .*% $0, (6?king boys til *&5!2;”. Are you fucking boys now? Desperate”
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This is along the lines of something in the series Black Sheep Squadron. “You’re breaking up.” [Boyington breathes static into the phone.]
She will want to defend herself against being considered a desperate pedophile. She will respond.
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Lolzlolzlolz I’m watching a YKW propaganda piece defending the 2008 illuminati-forced bank bailout, which saved the big banks and allowed them to kick half of all people out of their homes who got a mortgage between 2005 and 2007, Reading too many destroyed families and immeasurable damages. 25 minutes into the movie, there have been interviews with 36 people and all 36 of them have been Jews. We are not supposed to notice this? Part of the story is showing mainstream media news articles making fun of the US house, which voted down the bank bailout overwhelmingly the first time, until they were forced to revote the next day after the powers that be threatened their wives and children. Of course we all know who controls the media too. LOL.
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Leading directly to thousands of divorces and destroyed families. What was supposed to happen was that Chase, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, wachovia, and Citibank literally died a corporate death because of their stupid decisions. In which case they would not have been there prosecuting foreclosure actions , there would’ve been a reset , and people would have remained in whatever home they were in at the time. They hysterical media made John McCain and Barack Obama both say “oh no you won’t be able to get car loans.” LOL everybody already had whatever car they had at that time and the price of cars would have plummeted to an appropriate price that people could pay with cash , those who had saved cash as they should have. Nobody needed a car loan with the system’s fiat money. The banks need to make loans at interest to make money under the fiat system.
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I may have said this before but MPC on women is just unbearable.
“HOW DARE OLDER MEN DIG WOMEN WHOSE TITS ARENT HANGING BY THEIR NAVELS”
“CASUAL SEX IS LIKE MASTURBATION” (lol Pman)
“THE REASON WHY THINGS ARE SO BAD IS BECAUSE THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION UNSHACKLED MENS BASE NATURES” 😆 😆
“NO FAULT DIVORCE IS GOOD BECAUSE IT PREVENTS LOVELESS MARRIAGES. MEN GETTING DIVORCE RAPED IS GOOD BECAUSE IT PREVENTS MEN FROM LEAVING THEIR AGED WIVES”
“WOMEN INITIATING 70% OF DIVORCES IS BECAUSE MEN ARE SO SHITTY.”
“THE PROBLEM WITH DIVORCE AND FORCED CHILD SUPPORT IS THAT DIVORCED FATHER DELIBERATELY PAY IT LATE TO GET BACK AT THEIR EX WIVES AND THIS HARMS THE CHILDREN” (I shit you not)
I cannot be the only one flabbergasted at this. Usually, people that get so many things right are not THIS full of shit.
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that’s motherfucking god damned offensive. what happens in 99% of cases of divorced betas (the vast majority of no-fault divorced men) where the father is financially “able” (even if it ruins his life by basically putting him in the 83% tax bracket reserved only for divorced fathers when the ex is not a high earner) is that the father bends over backwards to pay 3X the child support guidelines as “shadow alimony” that is not tax deductible, 3 days EARLY, to make sure the deadbeat mom gets her rent paid, because that’s where the children live most of the time.
so fuck whoever wrote that. they can die and go to hell. I wish there were a hell just so they could go to it.
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3% of the population. Lolzlolzlolz
Hmmm.
Count the Jews here: https://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-rape-culture-lie/
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The author is a Christian. The ones making up the fake statistics generally aren’t.
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“I don’t think I can live in America. I am — how you say? — homophobe? I don’t like gays or lesbians. You guys like them too much, I don’t understand it.”
http://www.returnofkings.com/14506/thoughts-from-a-siberian-girl
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Could you please stay on topic.. or is the anti semite Kool aid just too tasty tonight to resist
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All we were told about women was lies, but of course we shouldn’t extend our awakening to the greatest liars of all.
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Wait, wait if wing-nut race haters don’t expose their rancid internals here, who am I going to award the Mustache Boy Masturbator poster and paper towel award?
Grog? Dregs Eliot? Come out of the HVAC conduit dear!!
Don’t tell your wife about us. And about your poster indoor workshop.
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I’ve been out with this girl twice, but I haven’t seen her in two weeks because she’s been out of town. I invited her out for drinks today and she turned me down, three hours later.
After a few mindless texts:
me: Come to x on sat at 5 then we’ll go pound pbrs
Her: lol I’m going to Vegas Saturday but if plans change I’ll holler : )
I haven’t replied. Any suggestions.
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Totes find out where she is staying in Vegas. Then send over 2 dozen red roses to her room. and a note that you are looking forward to seeing her when she comes back. Solid.
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This one is easy. Drop all contact until she contacts you. She will eventually.
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Perhaps I should just start asking when radio silence isn’t the right response.
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It’s always the right response because it’s part of a bigger picture: working on other prospects.
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It could be ASD, now that I think about it. I fingered her on the second date.
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been out twice so she might need comfort, beta it up a bit. not needy, just bummed a little maybe that you weren’t invited. (which is of course unreasonable)
if it fails, learn, dissect, and move on. to me the 7 hour rule is pretty accurate.
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re: 7 hours….consider you might be dealing with ASD….
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I doubt it’s a lack of comfort. We texted a little everyday this week, and she answered my call on Sunday night. I could be wrong, though.
I’m not sure what asd is.
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anti Slut Defense
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@Benson – correct me if I am wrong, but since you didn’t know ASD I’m inferring you are still pretty new to game. if that’s not the case, well no contact is best.
If you are new to game this is ,b>exactly the time to do something that your blue pill beta tendencies (not meant as a slight at all don’t get defensive) are screaming at you NOT to do. And to become amazed when this then works. Then the light bulbs will go off and the first scale will fall from your eyes. So in this case, you are angling to make some kind of contact with her, that is your tendency, game says NO CONTACT. Do that.
I remember the first line i uttered, game/red pill aware. It was from MMSL, reading their about being direct with sexual intent. At that time, my sex life, married sex life, sucked. And I was commited to finding a way to make game work for me, but didn’t really appreciate the power and truth of game until I saw it in action.
Me: (holding wife, waking up in the morning probably been 10 days or 2 weeks since sex) “Tonight. 9:30. We are having sex.” (in her ear).
Wife: “Yessss sir… (and a sleepy smile)
Me: Faces camera and mouths “Holy Fucking Shit!”
That was it. everything else Game said, worked. Negs, kino, eye contact, push pull, reframing, compliance tests, etc etc etc
Good luck…
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@sentient I’m not brand new, but I still let my emotions get the best of me. And that fucks up my judgement.
In this case, I thought going silent would seem butthurt. Glad I asked.
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Sentient: “Me: We are having sex.” (in her ear).
Wife: “Yessss sir… (and a sleepy smile)
Me: Faces camera and mouths “Holy Fucking Shit!”
I’ve had several of those moments in the last year. My favorite so far was with my ex-girlfriend, on our third date:
Her: Do you bring all your girls here?
Me: Looking at my non-existent wrist watch, “Yeah, the next one will be here in…oh…like 23 minutes, so you should take off.”
Her: *giggles*
We banged for the first time that night.
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What is the 7 hour rule?
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@asdgamer – 7 hour rule, Mystery Method, she should feel like she knows you for 7 hours to first fuck…
http://www.pualingo.com/7-hour-rule/
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Thanks for the lingo lesson, Sentient. I was in a woman’s apt. within 1/2 hour of meeting her, getting friendly. 7 hours seems a bit long for me. I was always a fast-escalation guy.
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Radio silence. And no WAY it’s ASD.
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Do you agree that it’s a shit test?
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lol, Amy you are girl right?
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Yes it’s a shit test, to see how eager you are to see her. You pass it by not initiating again.
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“Yes it’s a shit test, to see how eager you are to see her. You pass it by not initiating again.”
This is both educational and amusing. Having to shit test every dude who approaches you sounds like a chore.
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Not really. I only shit test guys I like and usually won’t do it this early, unless the guy seems very player-ish.
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Benson, let me be perfectly clear.
There are different types of shit tests women will play. The kind of shit tests you have been dealing with are relationship worthy shit test. Say 1 to 3 weeks into a relationship a women will subconsciously test your metal to see if you are worthy of her. This is normal and happens all the time. You have done nothing wrong(yet). In fact you should take this test as a compliment. A women will not jump into a serious relationship without seeing if the man is Alpha enough for her. This is where most guys crack.
“me: Come to x on sat at 5 then we’ll go pound pbrs”- Good
“Her: lol I’m going to Vegas Saturday but if plans change I’ll holler : )”- lol is an indication of excitement/happy then “the test”, then the smile icon which means she hopes you pass it.
Do you want to pass it? Because most guys don’t and this is what really separates the Alphas from the Betas.
I became a master of these tests. She wants to see how cool you are under pressure. Can you shake it off and move on as if nothing happened? Or are you going to get butthurt? Your refusal to take the bait and not placate her will be what causes her to decide you are a special one.
My wife pulled 2 shit tests on me when we were going out. I knew what they were because I had been passing other women’s tests with flying colors which resulted in numerous sea urchins trying to be a part of my life. These tests can last anywhere from 1 to 12 weeks. When they are over the girl really has no idea what she just did except for the fact that she thinks you are the one now.
You need a different type of game than what quick picker uppers or others use. She will let you know when you passed by trying to get into your world.
Warning: Once you win this type of game they may never get over you. I had a sea urchin tell me that she would of married me the day before she was to get married to another guy! All my sea urchins were NEVER banged by me! They had been banged by others but they looked at me differently because I won their emotions and that took tremendous self control.
Comprehenda
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By the way, I just took her refusal as evidence of disinterest, especially because of “if plans change I’ll let you know” comment.
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@Benson – this is just more evidence of your beta blue pill conditioning. You don’t see this is a dominance test… she will let YOU know if her plans change.
A smitten girl, waiting 2 weeks for her guy to get back arranges things to see him, she does not LOL and say she will hit him up as a second choice.
No biggie, it’s a learning curve. You want to be nice and rational to people. women do NOT though. Learn the game, play the game, win the game!
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Sentient: ” this is just more evidence of your beta blue pill conditioning. You don’t see this is a dominance test… she will let YOU know if her plans change.”
She’s done this before, actually. When I first asked her out last month, our convo went like this:
mindless texting…
me: meet me at x we’ll drink and play thumb war
her: LOL wish I could but I have blah blah…”
me: cool holla when you get clear (which I lifted from a CH post)
I figured she wasn’t interested so I went silent. A little over a week later, she reached out and I called her and set up a date.
I always assumed a refusal to meet up with no counteroffer meant that her attraction was slipping, and was my cue to lay low or move on, depending on the situation. Most fitness tests are blatant, and easy to pass as a result. This one was more subtle so it slipped passed my radar. Lesson learned.
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“She’s done this before, actually. When I first asked her out last month, our convo went like this:
mindless texting…
me: meet me at x we’ll drink and play thumb war
her: LOL wish I could but I have blah blah…”
me: cool holla when you get clear (which I lifted from a CH post)
I figured she wasn’t interested so I went silent. A little over a week later, she reached out and I called her and set up a date.”
There you go and one more reason you definitely should not respond. Women are not stupid, crazy maybe, but not stupid. You DON’T need to remind her to contact you when she is free. In fact every time she pulls this shit your response needs to be colder like you are training a dog. Don’t worry about what she thinks about you going silent as the worse that can happen is she asks if you are angry and you simply respond by saying about what?
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“There you go and one more reason you definitely should not respond. ”
That’s why I mention it. You guys are calling out her girl game from afar. Very encouraging.
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You meant “…test your mettle.”
You’re welcome.
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Amy: “Not really. I only shit test guys I like and usually won’t do it this early, unless the guy seems very player-ish.”
Girls don’t like you otherwise. If she only knew what a nice guy I am. Silly bitches. lol
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http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/macgyver-returns-but-with-a-difference-handyman-hero-of-classic-1980s-tv-series-to-be-recast-as-a-woman-10067997.html
Taking bets now on whether said woman also ends up being a transsexual half-black half-latina lesbian pedophile…
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My response to this when I received the “Happy belated birthday” was to wait a week and then reply at 3am: “Oh…”
The 27 year old I was banging ignored my texts and when I wrote her a week back she replied like this:
Her: who’s this?
Me: Batman
Her: I don’t want to talk to you. don’t bother me
I left it a week. She sends out a special occasion text for Chinese New Year.
I reconnect. She starts bantering. It’s on. We meet up again and bang.
The key to this interaction is the ongoing banter. Is she angling for something more than attention?
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She ignored you because of bad whoremoans. She banged you because of good whoremoans.
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Interesting you say this. Yes, I now see that a lot of the moodiness is cycle-driven…when she’s mid-cycle, she’s super friendly…end cycle…cranky, beginning cycle “logical”…I’m getting a lot of positive outreach from 27 year old now…mid-cycle.
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“Does the Manosphere Morally Corrupt Men?”
http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/02/does-the-manosphere-morally-corrupt-men/
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Perhaps… when it can find any.
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True that. I’d like to see CH refute it, because this type of thinking is all too prevalent among tradcons, Churchians, and white-knighting beta neckbeards.
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didn’t read it but if negotiating with a powerful psychological predator on level ground is immoral then who cares?
so some beta’s and worth with outdated and idealistic sad feels can feel like their social programming was not the waste it was?
fuuuuuuck that.
John Milton is dead, dead, DEAD.
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*worse not “worth”
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I understand what he is saying but asking men to stick to old order morals in the current conditions where women are liberated is basically asking them to commit a slow and painful suicide.
Also rolling back the sexual revolution and basically revoking some of womens’ rights? It’s just not realistic to expect anything like that to happen any time soon. Such a huge change would probably only come after a pretty big event.
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Indoor plumbing. Three days of food on the shelves. That’s both realistic and soon.
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I get it , it’s true, it’s like some weird period in ancient history where all the aristocratic women were locked up or something, and the only way you can reproduce and avoid your like going extinct forever is to ufck your slave girl even though that’s not what you’d prefer going to your slaves.
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The feedback from that crowd is never useful. I grew up in church and spent a lot of time around people like the author. Strangely, they never offered any advice about how to find and attract the good girl who would raise your kids, and they still don’t.
Only now that people are adapting to the changing culture is it time to speak up, and only to bitch about the anonymous bloggers who are turning us into amoral monsters.
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“True that. I’d like to see CH refute it, because this type of thinking is all too prevalent among tradcons, Churchians, and white-knighting beta neckbeards.”- I’m your Huckleberry.
“Most important: Relationships are constantly being tested by cautious lovers who like to nibble at the bait before swallowing the hook. This testing procedure takes many forms, but it usually involves pulling backward from the other person to see what will happen. Perhaps a foolish fight is initiated. Maybe two weeks will pass without a phone call. Or sometimes flirtation occurs with a rival. In each instance, the question being asked is “How important am I to you, and what would you do if you lost me?” An even more basic issue lies below that one. It wants to know “How free am I to leave if I want to?” It is incredibly important in these instances to appear poised, secure, and equally independent. Do not grasp the other person and beg for mercy. Some people remain single throughout life because they cannot resist the temptation to grovel when the test occurs.’- James Dobson -Love Must Be Tough
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“Some people remain single throughout life because they cannot resist the temptation to grovel when the test occurs.”- And this my friends is game in a nutshell. It separates the Alpha from the Beta.
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That guy is a knob I would ejaculate mu foulest semen onto–and I’m not picky– but that line is praiseworty.
I wonnder where the phrase “give the devil his due” originated? A lot of times it’s Shakespeare when it’s great and you don’t know.
” The lady doth protest too much.” Greatest genius ever, I think.
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I responded to a Happy Birthday text from one ex with a polite thank you.
Then I asked her to remind me when her birthday was (I genuinely forgot).
“Is it July…?”
No response.
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The FCC takes over the internet tomorrow.
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Until then, the merry shills of Sunstein, Axelrod, & Associates will continue their cogdissery and apparatchik antics.
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A few smaller companies and a conglomerate from silicone valley lobbied the government to step up regulation of the big internet providers such as cable providers.
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One tactic the powers that be might practice, for plausible deniability, is to come down on the provider (fines, lawsuits, whatever) rather than any one individual who may be making his voice heard…
… and then the “private company” provider will do all sorts of policing, taking the Big Brother heat off the gummint.
Just like gun control won’t happen by anyone taking arms away from individuals… they’ll just legislate the production of and/or tax the shit out of ammo.
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I think it’s more like the individual companies will get to make the decision on web content over the internet providers. So for example Yahoo or google don’t like pua it’s no longer even a problem for them to ban it from news services blogs etc..
More private data such as from Facebook will be shared with government agencies.
IBM and hardware companies are against this because they know this could very well be the end of the internet. Who wants to be a target like this and not be able to exercise free speech?
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Dregs, you get me so hard when you curse, dea.r 8-))
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You talk about this like it’s a bad thing or manipulative. I see it more as maintenance of a well liked acquaintance that benefits us both. She likes to feel like she has a lot of friends and so do I.
It also helps me to be perceived as having an abundant social life to anyone who’s around me. It’s a win/win for everyone involved.
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He’s RIGHT Greg.
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I agree it isn’t a big deal. Just remember, having female friends does not make you more attractive to other women.
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Dafuq am I reading?
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Earlier in the comments, Arbiter described a male shit-test for women.
A friend of my brothers visited Chicago about 2 years back (during that period of extreme cold) and met a former CIA employee there who told him the CIA’s way to determine if a woman is psychopathic or not.
The CIA’s way of testing the waters goes as follows.
You describe a scenario and ask her a subsequent follow-up question
*************
Tell her: A woman loses her mother, and at the funeral, she meets a man she falls desperately in love with. Two weeks later that woman’s sister is found dead in her apartment.
Then ask her: What do you think happened ?
*************
depending on her response you may find her to be the psycho who cannot handle the fact a man is not meant to be tied down to one women, or the opposite, the woman who knows her place as one of the Alpha’s lovers.
If she, responds rather quickly with the response of “maybe her sister also met/saw that same man at the wedding.” or anything other response suggesting the woman killed her own sister. Then you know you’re dealing with a certified psycho, because it insinuates that in the mind of that woman, murdering competitors in love-life is a fairly normal thing, hence, the reason she assumes the woman killed her own sister to keep the man.
If it takes her several times thinking out different scenario’s (like thinking the man may have done it, among others) before ultimately (or not at all) arriving to the suspicion the woman may have killed her own sister, means she’s fairly comfortable being an Alpha’s one-among-others lover, and therefore passes the harem-suitabiliy test.
Take note though that the CIA themselves don’t consider or call it their harem-suitability-test, to them, this is one of the psychological tests potential new CIA agents must pass to show they don’t have psychopathy.
Important to know for any Lothario.
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lol i Failed. Hard.
Instant and honest as the day is long response?
“OMG ! Cancer?” Poor guy!”
I must be ghey.
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Dafuq ?
Are you high or something ?
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Considering the amount of people the CIA has helped kill and torture all in the name of freedom we should know who the psychos are.
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Are you just gonna dismiss knowledge because of the source ?
Here’s one for you, the muslims have a saying in the Quran that says and i’m paraphrasing here btw “Knowledge, if it is sound, and innate, should always be used, even if it comes from your enemy”
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“Are you just gonna dismiss knowledge because of the source?”
The answer for me is an absolute no. Truth is my agenda regardless of how much I loathe the source.
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@ Putin ^^^
Good to hear, don’t get me wrong i loathe, not just the CIA, but the whole of intelligence agencies with the kind of “we can do anything and get away with it” mentality that governs them as well.
But this “test” of theirs is pretty clever, the funeral puts the thought of death in the woman’s head, along with the romance, to see if death and romance go hand in hand in that particular woman’s head.
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Yes, I hear you Darius.
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My BOTM nomination, Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame)! Some of you may be aware that Mr. Adams has a blog in addition to his highly rated strip. I do not possess the iron stomach of our host, so I have not reviewed all the blog entries, yet this one caught my eye.
In a post about “workplace sexism”, he writes about how beta the average guy is:
“Woman: This is your fault.
Man: Yes, it is. I am so sorry. Please stop looking at me that way. May I have sex again this year?
Men reflexively accept blame because doing so has worked well for us in the past. But women have had better success blaming men, at least within the context of intimate relationships, in large part because men prefer accepting blame as a sub-optimal but effective strategy to get sex. I would go so far as to say it is a nearly universal strategy for married guys, at least in this country. Married guys often talk to each other about accepting blame in return for peace at home, and with it the higher likelihood of sex.”
That last sentence is killer. I suspect we can divide betas into two groups, one group thinks that’s the way life is, everybody does it and it works the best. The other group has a vague awareness of something being wrong, of other men doing things differently and having much more success with that other way. The first group has guzzled blue pills by the truckload and may be immune to red pill ideas. The second may be fertile ground. Or maybe that is my observer bias since I see myself as having come from that second group.
Anyway, he’s my nomination because he obviously works this way and cannot imagine life otherwise. It would be interesting to consider his betaness and his high net worth (~75 million according to reports). Perhaps his money *allows* him the easier path of betahood. He still gets some and he does not have to man up. In which case, one hopes he resides in a state with reasonable divorce courts and a prenup signed in blood.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/112052592181/can-you-measure-workplace-sexism
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Very interesting account of an extremely successful individual.
However there is a hidden assumption, perhaps unconscious, in you post: What is “betahood.”
I, for one, ensconced in my preferred subway car headed to a hopelessly from destination often offer my inner vulnerability to beautiful women as they hold their noses at my approach.
I say “My life is miserable, I eat garbage and rats harvested from unsealed subway cars, and would just like a smile from you. Can you?”
I am sincere in that moment, and my tone of voice lets them know that I am not a threat , and I am not lying.
They smile, and I , at that moment, with total disregard for pitiful bourgeois vanities such as dignity, and a dirt-encrusted Alpha 1960s tweed coat.
Because I am in Zero Fucks State.
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hopelessly GRIM
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“..am a dirt encrusted..”
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Field Report
I told a slightly sexual story. A married broad sitting near me commented about how another guy had been making “off-color” comments that night, implicitly 5h1t-testing me about my story. I commented that he was a fun guy. Reframe and amplify.
She later arranged a meetup with me later in the week. As in, “Where will you be dancing on Sat.?” Me: At XXX. She: I think I’ll go there, too.
NB: She initiated dirty dancing with me last time we danced together.
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This is so topical. An ex of mine I haven’t seen in three years just sent me a “happy chinese new year” text. pfffffff
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Text her back, “Missing Long Dong again?”
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