A favored hatemachine lever recently latched onto by an assortment of bitterboys and ignoramuses is the assertion that the world is full of women with borderline personality disorder, and these BPD women are the ones that “PUAs” are bedding, (due to some confluence of psychological factors intrinsic to BPD).
It’s time for perspective. And truthfulness.
2% of the general population have BPD symptoms. 75% of that 2% are women.
This female BPD rate is about on par with the percentage of lesbian homosexuals in the population. Perhaps even lower.
So the “EASY BPD TARGETS” smear by inchoate anti-charisma haters is bullshit. The odds that only BPD women, and never psychologically sound women, consensually share the romantic company of free-lovin’ jerkboy charmers are very very low. The odds that jerkboy charmers are equally adept at charming the panties off psychologically sound women are much higher.
And this fact really sticks in the craw of a certain sect of mythologizers.
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I am going to a porn convention tonight. Any tips on how to game booth girls and porn stars from A to Z.
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At your own risk.
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I messed around with a BPD chick for a little while. God, what a nightmare that fling turned out to be. Stage 900 clinger, stalker, and suicide threats and an actual real attempt when I broke things off.
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They turn really fast
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What is the big controversy? When someone says a woman is “crazy,” he isn’t saying she is clinically insane according to DSM-5.
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I can own up to the biggest and most destructive mistake of my life was dating a BPD. Of course I had no idea before hand, in fact I had no idea what BPD even was. One of my many mistakes/false beliefs was that I tried to help.
I did endless research, discussed with BPD groups etc. and even now I try to help guys seeking guidance when they are in a BPD a relationships. All I can say is that a Relationship with a BPD woman is nearly impossible and will cost you every bit of your soul. An endless nightmare of abuse that most men cannot even imagine.
I blame no one but myself, because it was I who allowed my self recognition and self worth be drained from me. But it’s very easy for us to look from the outside as strong men and not understand the deep claws that a BPD digs into you before you even know it.
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There was this recent study that claimed women who are attracted to Dark Triad (aka PUA) traits are themselves on the dark side.
[CH: i would say the number of charming players with genuine dark triad traits, all three (or four) fully expressed, is exaggerated as well. this isn’t to claim that no mate choice association exists b/t bpd women and dt men. rather, my claim is that any association is much more restrained than the wildly overwrought hyperbole typically leveled by playa hatas.]
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These things aren’t either/or. They come in bell curves. Everyone suffers from a touch of each PD, but hopefully we keep each PD under control sufficiently well so that no single one of our PDs bursts forth in a far-the-left-of-the-bell-curve clinically significant manifestation. The problem, of course, is when the culture suddenly shifts dramatically, from promoting the traditional virtue and sanity of, say, a June Cleaver, to instead promoting the HPD/BPD alcoholic bipolar hot mess of insanity which was Elizabeth Taylor in “Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf”? At that point, the cultural poisoning takes hold in the at-risk girls [who might have had a chance at a reasonably normal life in earlier times] and convinces them to let down their hair and unleash their inner psychiatric train wreck of temper tantrums and risk-taking and danger-indulgences on society at large. NEVER misunderestimate the effects of the cultural poisoning. The sane chicks [from the good families] can largely see through the cultural poisoning, but the at-risk chicks cannot. And they swallow it, hook, line and sinker.
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Bipolar disorder is not continuously distributed across the population.
Think of it: is everyone a touch schizophrenic?
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For the BPD women, it’s more like a belle curve.
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I think you can get them in Bell Jars.
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“No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it’s only a question of degree.” W.C. Fields
And some just hide it better than others, they’re the ones in the middle of the Bell Curve!
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“unleash their inner psychiatric train wreck…” Nice!
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Well said. And all that needs to be said in response to CH’s precipitate, defensive post.
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“Think of it: is everyone a touch schizophrenic”
Schizophrenia is not a personality disorder.
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JM, we’re not talking Bipolar. We’re talking BORDERLINE.
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Although it can be very difficult for psychiatrists to make a decision as to Bipolar -vs- Borderline. [Which is why I threw it in WRT Elizabeth Taylor’s character in Virginia Woolf; the party only lasts for a few hours, and you don’t get to see her character for long enough to make a clinical diagnosis, although they are very clearly alcoholics.] In fact, it’s my understanding that sometimes you have to approach BiP -vs- BPD empirically, and force the girl to swallow lithium for a while, and if the lithium improves her situation, then you go with the diagnosis of BiP.
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“There was this recent study that claimed women who are attracted to Dark Triad (aka PUA) traits are themselves on the dark side.”
Exactly, contrary to the protestations of the naive.
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Dark Triad guys don’t need PUA tips. IMHO, it seems like women who are susceptible to PUA antics are malignant narcissists.
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Ex had BPD tendencies. Until you’ve experienced being with someone with it, you have no idea how it is or how infrequently it comes along. Trust me when I tell you that once it does, there will be no doubt and you’ll never forget it.
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Precisely
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and if it were anywhere near as common as it sounds like people claim, there would be as much game advice about ‘getting out’ as ‘getting in’.
extricating yourself from a truly mentally ill woman isn’t trivial. it’s a nightmare. i doubt i’ve seen heavy bpd either, but i’ve seen enough, once, for a lifetime.
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> “BPD tendencies”
Got a longer reply in mod to this effect. These things aren’t either/or. They come in bell curves.
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The women who are truly BPD – yes, they are either/or.
This is like saying that sanity and insanity aren’t either/or. Ever been to an insane asylum? You can point to some nuances of a personality and say those are scraps of insanity, but once you have seen the real thing there is no doubt that it’s not just a gradual scale.
Like themanofmystery, I have experience of this. A broken wheel is a broken wheel. You’ll know it when the wagon is tipping over. It is nothing like the wheel that is slightly chipped.
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Arbiter, I’m talking pre-selection [probabilities], not post-selection [known empiricals]. Any psychiatrist, who truly gives a damn [which would be maybe 1% of all psychiatrists], struggles daily with these gray-area cases, which are not to the way far-Left of the bell curve, but are just moderately Left-of-center, and [depending on his workload, which is likely to be a bajillion patients per shift] he has about sixty seconds to make a snap decision as to whether the patient can keep her shit together, or whether she needs to be involuntarily committed.
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Correct. I for one have never made the statement that CH seems to be responding to. My opinion is that the vast majority of majority of hot women between ages 21 and 23 (8s and 9s) will have BPD tendencies because of their confusion oVER their new sexual lives and mixed messages they are getting from society constantly . if you are in an LTR with them , they will eventually go crazy and do crazy shit like throwing knife at you, reaming hysterically, throwing your shit out the window, etc.
I’m not saying a psychiatrist would diagnose them with any official disorder medicallt speaking. just using “BPD” like a euphemism…all hot women are a bit crazy like we discussed her every day. They all get “hysterical” lol. Get it?
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The way far-Left of the bell curve girls were always going to need institutionalization – be it in the Victorian era, when we had a good culture, or in the 21st Century, when we have a satanically evil anti-culture – those girls are genetically nuts and there’s not a damned thing that anyone can do about it. But the Evil Psychiatrists realized that they could destroy entire races & civilizations if ony they could stoke the flames of Cluster-B insanity in the at-risk slightly Left-of-center girls, and gently but firmly push them out towards the deep end. Ergo they invented “Feminism”, and then they sent their cousins, like Michael Eisner and Robert Iger, out into the real world to implement it.
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Hell, boy… at Schloss Eliot, we call that foreplay.
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+1 You have crystallized the experience succinctly. I would add, you’ll never forget it, and never do it again. An experienced PUA would in fact avoid a BPD woman, except for a quick and easy lay.
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I have gotten to the point of avoiding even a lay. I’m sorry but the false rape accusations stuff has really ramped up, it seems to me. I just recently had a crazy one and I hard nexted her (really was me doing the nexting) before ever doing anything with her because I fear her being in my life. She’s bat shit, and I can tell she is trouble.
I’m not sure if CH or YaReally would call this one of the beliefs with which they disagree, because game can work on any woman, but I think that any woman who is too easy (or starts sending naked pics without even being asked to do that within 20 minutes of chatting on tinder–and not through snap chat either–permanent pics texted to me), and flat out brags about riding the CC (while not using that terminology, of course) and not wanting any relationship, is some kind of BPD trouble. I don’t even want them knowing my name or where I live.
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Yeah man, and once you get experienced with their shit, normal women are a joke to deal with.
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It is unmistakeable. But it is not infrequent in females.
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Hello
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It’s about time Sunstein sent over some new recruits… the veterans who attempted to storm the chateau were becoming tedious.
Okay, Judah Ben Gay, shill away… let’s see what ya got.
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[crickets]……………so soon?
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The lion king…or queen.
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As much as I’d like to support you on this, you aren’t really proving your naysayers wrong. That 2% is the percentage that are diagnosable with BPD, a much higher percentage have BPD symptoms, just not the requisite 5 necessary for diagnosis. Even with that, it’s still 52 million women world wide, or 2.3 million in the US (That’s assuming the distribution world wide matches the US). That’s plenty of women for the very few PUAs, RedPill aware men, and natural jerkboys in the world.
More importantly, if you look at the criteria for BPD you will see that it lines up with the Red Pill understanding of women in general. Short of recurrent suicidal behavior, the rest fall in line with the behaviors the PUAs and Red Pill men exploit. So maybe the problem isn’t that it’s only BPDs that go after PUAs, but possibly a large number of women meet the criteria for BPD but go undiagnosed (research supports this hypothesis), and BPD is really not a disorder, but an extreme manifestation of female mind (as it’s theorized that autism is extreme male mind).
Just thinking out loud.
[CH: stretching the definition of bpd to include any woman who has a “female moment” is one guaranteed way to claim more women have bpd than are officially counted. it’s bullshit, like i said. it’s a way to pathologize normal female behavior.]
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It’s a BELL CURVE. At the far Left of the bell curve you have the clinically significant chicks who will cut themselves after a temper tantrum. But closer to Left-middle of the bell curve, you have a vastly larger number of at-risk girls, who will swallow the cultural poisoning, and date the ex-con noggish mystery-meat thugs, and be satisfied with HIM doing the cutting of her after the temper tantrum. All women are capable of throwing a temper tantrum from time to time, but the ones on the Right side of bell curve don’t end up in the hospital afterwards.
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the bell curve represents normal behavior. borderline personality disorder is abnormal behavior. One could take sampling of people at their worst and say they have bpd characteristics, but do they hold a job, have friends, display moments of empathy. Do they set ur car on fire when you dont reply to their facebook pokes? Just because some eat pray love chick messes around on tinder doesnt make her bpd. Just because some chick cuts herself cuz uncle molested her doesnt make her bpd, it makes her a trauma survivor.
I think part of this misnomer is based on that movie “gurl interrupted”.
Chicks respond to charisma and confidence and mild to moderate narcissism. Its imbedded in their dna. Its not because they are trauma survivors or borderline personalities.
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“the bell curve represents normal behavior. borderline personality disorder is abnormal behavior.”
Clinically significant [and largely genetic] BPD lies several standard deviations to the Left of the female bell curve for temper tantrums and post-tantrum remorse. Our problem is that the Evil Psychiatrists realized that, by poisoning the culture, they could push the middle of the bell curve out towards the Left, ergo they invented “Feminism” and then they sent Applied Evil Psychiatry Inc out into the real world to implement it.
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They’re all crazy. One ex who was a former model, cut herself but not really cut herself, just kinda did it to look like she was, left a bunch of red marks and half cuts because she didn’t have a sharp knife or something. Sent me a pic of it. I think it was because I didn’t throw her a bash or even come over on her 29th birthday or something…?
Was a nasty pic, I told her to get help and have that help bring a sharper knife.
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“2.3 million in the US…That’s plenty of women for the very few PUAs, RedPill aware men, and natural jerkboys in the world”
not even close. that is all ages, all shapes, all sizes. so say maybe 100k-200k worth approaching throughout the nation. and then we just happen to run into each other somehow?
suffice to say, people making a lot of approaches would realize quickly that their techniques ain’t cutting it with 98% of the women they approach. and no one, anywhere, would follow, train, or pay for those techniques.
if anything it’s the opposite, women with disorders latching on to vulnerable beta males. that’s something i’ve lived first hand– my kindness and consideration _definitely_ didn’t work on the ‘normal’ 98% of women. it worked fine for women that threatened suicide a lot though. worked great.
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“if anything it’s the opposite, women with disorders latching on to vulnerable beta males. that’s something i’ve lived first hand– my kindness and consideration _definitely_ didn’t work on the ‘normal’ 98% of women. it worked fine for women that threatened suicide a lot though. worked great.”
exactly. as i mentioned in an earlier comment, girls like this LOVE white knighting beta males. i’ve been one of those chumps. not fun.
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“it worked fine for women that threatened suicide a lot though. worked great.”
i’m curious. a few guys have mentioned suicidal tendencies, violent displays of anger, depression, etc. are those the markers that indicate a true BPD case?
i’ve been seeing a girl who seems to have some symptoms. always sort of manic and high strung. she doesn’t sleep much and she always has a lot going on.
but here’s the clincher. she’s never ever down as far as i can tell. no angry outbursts (other than a typical girl tantrum when i don’t respond to her texts or something) no bouts of depression. her friends have even commented on how happy and upbeat she is. and always has been.
maybe she’s just a hyper girl and i’m thinking too much into it but it’s sort of spooky when you hear all the stories about girls who seem like fun balls of energy in the beginning and then flip on you out of nowhere.
question is this…does a girl have to have the extreme lows in order to qualify as being BPD? and if she does, how often do these lows happen? and how long do you have to be with a girl before you start to notice the red flags. i’ve been seeing this girl for about six months so far.
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So is self-harm or threatening self-harm a necessary part of “real” bpd? Is that what the dsm5 says?
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David, clinically significant BPD cases are marked by a crippling, terrifying fear of abandonment [which often first kicks in after a little girl loses her Daddy in a divorce]. The typical series of events is something like: 1) nukular temper tantrum; 2) dude says “f*** this s***, I’m outta here”; 3) realization that she is once again all alone in the world, leading to near catatonic state of paralytic fear; 4) self harm [usually involving cutting of the skin].
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That’s plenty of women for the very few PUAs, RedPill aware men, and natural jerkboys in the world.
Burke beat me to it: “that is all ages, all shapes, all sizes. so say maybe 100k-200k worth approaching throughout the nation. and then we just happen to run into each other somehow?”
Plus, anyone who actually knows something about the game being taught, knows how ridiculous this “those are just BPD!” assertion is. The first thing guys are taught are basics, like how to cold approach, tips like don’t contact the girl too often, don’t have endless online conversations, don’t be needy, don’t turn a date into an interview. Etc. And this “would only work on women with BPD”? Right. Ridiculous.
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” it’s a way to pathologize normal female behavior.”
Fine, and if I were a mental health professional, I should probably not be in the business of trying to “cure” what is normal behavior in females.
But I am not a m.h. professional and am commenting in the context of a game blog. In this context, it’s very useful for readers to know that bpd symptoms accurately describe a lot of female behavior, so those readers can expect it and plan accordingly.
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BPD is called the female version of psychopathy. But how about women who are genuinely psychopathic? As in, high emotional stability like male psychopaths instead of low emotional stability. I’m guessing they go for Dark TriTetrad also.
And in other news, a male(?) news reporter writes an article about Aaron Hernandez that sounds like a giggly school-girl writing a love letter to her high school badboy infatuation.
http://news.yahoo.com/aaron-hernandez–upbeat-murder-defendant-035330740.html
Are men susceptible to worshiping Dark Triad in their testosterone-filled ball-playing idols? The feyness of that article leads me to believe that may be the case.
[CH: men are drawn to alpha men, but not in a lustful way like women are. unless they’re gay and the alpha has the sort of looks gays like.]
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His fiance is black.Dude walks the walk!!
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It’s an interesting article, not giggly schoolgirl stuff. I was all prepared to comment on how the sports press is gay, but this article is interesting and I thank you for linking it.
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A certain sect of mythologizers, tradknobs, and puffed-up white knights is always going to be in denial about women’s real nature.
That said, I’m not sure if I’ve ever banged or dated a woman with genuine BPD, but a few came close. There are a lot of women around here on meds for various psychological, including depression and anxiety.
I believe a lot of these issues among women stem from riding the cock carousel, being pumped and dumped, being childless, and entering middle age alone.
As much as they try to put a brave face on it, inside these women are completely messed-up.
The SMP takes them in and spits them out.
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“A certain sect of mythologizers, tradknobs, and puffed-up white knights is always going to be in denial about women’s real nature.”
And I admit I can understand their need for denial. The reality is not a happy one.
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People who are that emotionally fucked up should not have children together anymore more than type 1 diabetics should. Without moderating influences, within a couple of generations we are going to end up with a subset of the population that will be so emotionally high strung that they will be what chihuahuas are to dogs; paranoid bug eyed raving idiots that are a genetic dead end. I say, give them all the birth control they can eat and stay as far away as possible.
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PW, I’ve been saying this for a while now – that the communicational and transportational fluidity of modernity allows the HPD/BPD chicks to seek out and find the NPD/Socio dudes and to mate with them – and that the children are increasingly likely to be outright psychopaths [or, as you say, emotional basket cases]. And it’s probably been occurring, largely unbeknownst to the culture at large, for 75 or 100 years now, ever since the rise of coeducational colleges and the telephone and reliable overnight mail delivery, etc etc etc. 21st Century Scrotial Media simply shifts it all into a much higher gear. Also cf Heartiste’s theory, which holds that the species might be better off in the long run if high-IQ men had children with their secretaries, rather than with high-IQ ladder-climbing histrionic/borderline femcunts.
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> “She’s just a tool.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative#The_Second_Formulation
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The SMP takes them in and spits them out
I feel bad for women like that when I realize that both boys and girls are lied to. But men can always get a second chance and make up for their mistakes. But women can’t.
I no longer feel bad for women like that when I realize that they counsel young girls to follow the same disastrous path they did.
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Yeah like a molested boy who grows up into a monster, molesting a new ceop of boys. Or one who was beaten relentlessly and grew up to kill people for the mob and freeze them so police would have trouble identifying them.
We make our decisions. Pre-16, your parents are at fault. After that it’s on you. These fuckin whores start their whoring when they’re old enough to know better. I feel nothing for them. Theyre holes. If you neet one who tells you she just eants to be your wife and you can fuck other women or have another wife as well, then go for it. She shouldnt be your number 1 anyway. She doesnt deserve it. Even if shes prettier, remember those looks will fade at a surprisingly fast rate and dozens of men fucked that face when it was at its most youthful. They shot loads of hot cum all over that cherubic face when those titties were pointing north and that ass was made of silicone. When that pussy was at its tastiest and before her uterus was flooded with another mans DNA. The secret abortions she’ll lie about never having.
A slut is beyond redemption. Shes of no emotional use to you. She’s just a tool.
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llllooooolllzzzzzlllolll: “She’s just a tool.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative#The_Second_Formulation
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My wife who didn’t ride the CC and has my children does that shit too.
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CH, I’m not disagreeing with you. The problem is the definition of personality disorders in general. According to the DSM 4 (yes this has improved in DSM 5 but that doesn’t erase the basis for PDs in general) the criteria for all personality disorders starts with the following line:
An enduring pattern of inner experience and behavior the deviates markedly from the expectations of the individual’s culture.
Outside of Red Pill awareness, Open Hypergamy and other female traits, deviate markedly from the expectations of many modern cultures. To those of us that are aware, this no longer looks like a disorder but normal behavior (if you ignore suicidality which is not necessary to be diagnosed).
When I find the time I’ll try to type up a comparison between BPD criteria and Red Pill awareness, and see how closely the line up (No appeal to authority, but I have experience in the area and would find it interesting to really see how far off my wild speculation is).
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Well that’s a stupid definition. Mental insanity causes people to think the walls are talking, to think that they are constantly being followed, to have different personalities, to attack without provocation, to be depressed for little reason so that they won’t leave the house.
Anything in there that simply “deviates markedly from the expectations of the individual’s culture”?
Insanity is a broken brain. It makes a person unable to function. It’s the mental equivalent to a broken arm, a collapsing lung, blindness, deafness, a leg that is cut off.
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Arbiter, we’re all a little nuts. The clinically insane are just a few standard deviations to the Left of us.
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Knowing someone who acts “female” (and is in fact female) and someone else who actually has mental illness, I can say confidently that they both satisfy the definitions of PD, but only one does the sort of things in Arbiter’s list.
So I agree with Arbiter that the dsm4 definition of pd is stupid. It allows for over-diagnosis and probably keeps a lot of mental health charlatans in business treating disorders that aren’t. But be very clear: some people really are sick and really do need treatment, typically of the psychiatric sort (with drugs as well as therapy.)
What the hell though, we have systemic underemployment due to our automated society, so makework jobs as therapists and psychologists for the not-really-sick aren’t the worst thing in the world.
And it’s very useful to have the symptoms of “female disorder” summarized in the dsm for easy reference. As mere amateur game practitioners without big funding behind us, we might not be able to do as well.
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DSM IV: “An enduring pattern of inner experience and behavior the deviates markedly from the expectations of the individual’s culture”
Evil Psychiatrists: “Then we’ll just pollute the culture and define deviancy down. We win! You lose!!!! MOO HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!”
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“Easy BPD targets?”
You mean easy big playa’s dick targets?!
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“the world is full of women with borderline personality disorder, and these BPD women are the ones that “PUAs” are bedding,”
The second part is of course the usual fairy tale that blue pillers use to help cry themselves to sleep at night. However I have to wholeheartedly agree with the first part. I think the potential is there in nearly all of them and today’s society is doing a fantastic job of cultivating it.
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A BPD would not be attracted to betas. The only ones that can handle their antics and chaos are alphas.
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the fact that betas can’t handle their antics is why betas end up with them so often. i’ve been one, i’ve been there. you’re always on your heels, always trying to talk her down from something new. for them, it’s ideal.
an alpha (maybe) deals with her (if he doesn’t blow her off) for about two weeks until he’s seen her from every angle, tells her she’s nuts, and lets her gripe about it to the next beta that’s sure to come along.
girls choose guys, in general, and girls with “sensitivity to rejection, negative criticism and thoughts and fears of possible abandonment” really dig the reassurance and comfort the hapless beta (agin i have lived it) brings. not saying she doesn’t ride the carousel but in between she generally grinds a few betas down to the nub
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@Burke
“an alpha (maybe) deals with her (if he doesn’t blow her off) for about two weeks until he’s seen her from every angle, tells her she’s nuts, and lets her gripe about it to the next beta that’s sure to come along.”
Exactly, like the way Tony dealt with Gloria Trillo on the Sopranos. She threw a roast at him, then maybe slashed his tires while they were in her driveway and had a mini meltdown and, after realizing she had the same traits ss his psycho mother, laughed it off and left. It was until she got close to Carmela that he got physical and threatened to kill her, but his initial response was the most sensible.
If I could think of a television representation of the average of each type of woman, it would be the Sopranos.
Carmela is the typical “normal healthy” woman who was in love with Tony but soon realized he was a maniac but reacted like most women would and had that hamster eunning at 11.
Valentina was the laid back perfect mistress who was cool just to fuck and just wanted to go out once in a while. Of course once she set herself on fire that changed..
The Russian was starting to show the drama queen tendencies I believe our beloved host refers to when he addresses the “normal female behavior” the betas seek to pathologize. She had youth and a coquettish beauty that Carmela lacks, on her side.
Finlly we have Gloria. A nutcase who Tony met in the waiting room of their shared psychiatrists office. Shes the top saleswoman at her Mercedes dealership, she fucks him early on in the Bronx Zoo, finds the gun in his sock to be sexy, is narcissistic, impulsive, suicidal in the real sense, sexy, childish, destructive to everyone around her and after Tony breaks it off, hangs herself.
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Again, Burke beat me to it. Betas are the ones these women usually end up with.
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@anonymous….there are degrees of BPD. The BPD “Waif” appeals to “White knights” and those inclined with a savior schema.
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@anonYmous
“A BPD would not be attracted to betas. The only ones that can handle their antics and chaos are alphas.”
not true. white knighting betas are like crack to BPD women. they might not desire or respect them like they would an alpha but they will enjoy using and abusing them for years.
women like this are attention whores of the worst kind. always complaining about some illness, injury, bad day, or how someone else is treating them badly or creating drama in their lives. they always have some sort of crisis going on and beta white knighters get off on the feeling that they are the only ones who can help these damaged women.
of course they can’t and men will waste their lives getting sucked in to these situations with little to any real reward. these women don’t get better and the years will slip away without you even realizing it because you’re always in damage control mode with these chicks. you don’t even have time to think about what you’re doing.
don’t kid yourself, women like this love having a man like that at their beck and call. they love the power and ego gratification that comes with always having someone there to tell them they are great even if they’re not and to pick up the pieces and repair the damage they’ve done.
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Agreed. Easy targets for alphas and they are naturally attracted to them. I think eventually a BPD woman would end up with a poor beta, but only after a number of years riding the cock carousel. I lived with one for two years; it was hell. On the plus side, the sex was unbelievable. There was nothing that woman wouldn’t do
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Having previously married and divorced a BPD woman, I have to say that garden-variety female solipsism and emotionally-driven behavior pales quite significantly in comparison to the soul-crushing madness that surrounds BPD women. When I look back on it, the only person who tried to warn me ahead of time spoke up just once – “you shouldn’t marry an angry person”. He had no idea. If you see your friends or relatives hooking up with a BPD person, speak the fuck up. They will resent you for a day, but they will get over it, and if they’re smart enough to listen, they will thank you the rest of your life. If they’re dumb enough to ignore you, but honest enough to see reality later, they will thank you then, and try to rebuild any bridges they burnt, and if they’re dumb enough to ignore you, and too stupid or gamma to see reality later, then that’s on them. I look back in puzzlement on how none of my relatives or close friends were willing to say a word before hand, but afterwords most of them quietly told me that they thought she was a bit off. Tell your brothers before they dive headfirst into shit-creek sans paddle and canoe. Before!
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“you shouldn’t marry an angry person”
yeah, the anger is really the key. all girls will have outbreaks of anger once in awhile. that’s normal.
but BPD girls have that darkness in their heart that Captain Obvious talks about. they are never content. always miserable about something and they expect everyone else to make it all better for them because after all, they are just victims of circumstance and none of it is their fault, right? they are a nightmare and being with them long term just sucks the life right out of you.
it also makes it hard to be with other women after you’ve experienced that. you’re always on the defensive and expecting a blow up so it’s hard to even interact with a normal woman after that. takes a lot of reconditioning before you can finally relax and just enjoy a girl.
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Wise words.
“You shouldn’t marry an angry person.” So true.
Like you, I have been with a girl who had a real BPD personality. People have no idea what they are talking about.
And to say those women are the only ones who respond to PUA teachings – which begin with basics like don’t call her too often, make a date interesting, don’t complain about your problems – simply shows that the speaker knows nothing about PUA.
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> “Tell your brothers before they dive headfirst into shit-creek sans paddle and canoe. Before!”
THIS. It’s time for those of us in the Dark Enlightenment to emerge from the shadows and start ratcheting up the Evangelization which is Truth-Speak.
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That sucks. I had a BPD girlfriend once, only for four months, and the experience made me vomit the final residue of any blue pill that may have been hiding inside my body. It was like the end of 2001, when the guy is leaving the normal world behind, and entering a strange terrible new universe where effect doesn’t follow cause.
You don’t really know how bad they are until they’re up close in your life, and by then it’s too late. Psychotherapists don’t know how to treat them either. There’s no prescription medicine for that flavor of crazy.
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Sexual promiscuity being a hallmark of BPD, I’d say us freewheeling lotharios run into a far greater amount of of unstable BPD women than their infinitesimal percentage would lead you to believe.
I’d say with a notch count of ~350, id say 5-10 cases of suspected BPD. However, only had one diagnosed case of BPD. She was kicked out of the air force for being BPD, broke my nose, got me reduced in rank after a big fight, gave me the most insanely awesome sex ever, including multiple threesomes (the awesome kind, generally made me feel like a god, before occasionally going crazy.
Be careful with BPD girls, they can be intoxicating to those of us with obese egos.
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That’s what they do, building you up to tear you down; pure darkness
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Damn, I could have wrote almost the exact same thing.
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‘I’d say us freewheeling lotharios run into a far greater amount of of unstable BPD women than their infinitesimal percentage would lead you to believe. I’d say with a notch count of ~350, id say 5-10 cases of suspected BPD’
…thats what a 2% rate would likely give you.
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habd, YaReally, walawala, tilikum, Sentient, all the heavy hitters.. a question.
An ex i’ve been on and off with – ran into her at my gym this past thursday (she lives outta town)
she said “text me later”
monday, 4 days later, i texted her:
me: hey doll in town for a week on course.
tnight or thurs after 9 i should be available for trouble
(5 hrs later) her: Hey! I’m busy tonight and
Thursday I close. In the process of getting
another job at a restaurant
..while i was waiting for her reply – i picked up a girl at a corner store – we made plans for that evening..
3 hrs later I text back: thats fine babe found someone else 2 go with
her : (a-ok sign) awesome! Good for you
she texted me 45 secs later..
I obviously haven’t replied back. she mentioned last time we chilled if I liked the ‘chase’.. either that, or why don’t i chase..
I asked her to explain herself, she said she believes if a guy truly wants a girl he should chase after her..
not sure how to proceed..
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Well, it’s only one form of crazy, as it is 25% of women are already on some sort of mood altering medication. Even at that rate your odds are one in four even before you take the other forms of crazy into account….
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60%
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All women are at least moderately crazy. Nobody’s denying that.
QED, there’s a lot more kinds of crazy than BPD. There’s degrees of crazy too.
Aaaand, crazier women tend to be easier. Sometimes, easy enough for paper alpha PUAs. But never easy enough for self-excusing anti-game losers.
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How does it figure that guys with awareness of game would apply their charisma to any but the choicest of women – physically, mentally and socially. Dudes with even the basic notions of female attraction triggers could outcompete the 90% of other dudes that don’t have a clue. Female idiosyncrasies aside, I meet a lot more dudes I’d classify as ‘damaged goods’ – than I do women.
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So true. As a guy who in his BP youth watched tatted up bad boys swoop in one evening and nail the “good girl” (“Do you think he’ll call me?” No, I don’t think so.) I was trying to woo for, well, forever, the BPD thing just doesn’t hold any water at all.
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All women are at least moderately crazy. Nobody’s denying that.
That hot/crazy line video is funny because it’s true.
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http://illimitablemen.com/tag/dark-triad-women/
Lucifer’s Daughter
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From the twitter link, we have the perfect example of the boy who went beyond the Skittles.
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If these men would actually pay attention to how women tick internally, they’d see that the BPD is really just women behaving normally. Once you truly understand that women function primarily by reacting to their emotions, everything starts to make more sense and the BPD label disappears.
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Well, in a sense, but a BPD is an amplified version of a normal woman. I suppose that’s why they can be so attractive on the upswing. The BPD I encountered was at times, in the beginning, so infatuated with me she looked and acted high, which was kind of flattering.
Later on, of course, things got different.
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“BPD is really just women behaving normally.”
Yes, that is what I was thinking. I mean for me it would play the opposite way. 2% are not BPD. Could be wrong but…
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NO WAY. When you get involved with a BPD woman, you will know, it is anything but normal behavior.
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fuck the Chateau’s measured response. the appropriate response is CHECK NEUROTYPICAL PRIVILEGE SHITLORD
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Nah; BPD be crazy bitches…..bit beyond even most women.
Kind of chick who chainsaws you in the bed kind of crazy.
Honestly it seems like “Game” or whatever you want to call it is pretty consistently admitted too if you look at TV and see anybody who is supposed to be a lothario before they reform.
Almost always the same kind of traits end up popping up.
Every rogue, bad boy, Han Solo type, every don juan, they are just variations on flavor but ultimately sell the same thing.
Basically people no what works even if they don’t want to admit it.
I mean; how else would you portray a guy who can get women?
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And now the latest meme : “choreplay”
“If that isn’t exciting enough, try this: Couples who share chores equally have more sex. As the researchers Constance T. Gager and Scott T. Yabiku put it, men and women who work hard play hard. One of us, Sheryl, has advised men that if they want to do something nice for their partners, instead of buying flowers, they should do laundry. A man who heard this was asked by his wife one night to do a load of laundry. He picked up the basket and asked hopefully, “Is this Lean In laundry?” Choreplay is real.”
……
“It’s time for men and women alike to join forces in championing gender parity. Tell us how you’re leaning in for equality in the comments section here or on Facebook using the hashtag #leanintogether.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/08/opinion/sunday/sheryl-sandberg-adam-grant-how-men-can-succeed-in-the-boardroom-and-the-bedroom.html?_r=0
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how about go fuck yourself
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Only NYT readers are stupid enough to listen to Yenta Sandberg, the most irritating woman alive.
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My wife wanted me to pitch in and have us do chores together…
… so every Thursday I mop the floor with her.
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Rape?
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Funny, there real scientific studies which show the exact opposite of this anecdotal-based, Jew York Times BS!
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What percentage of women have screaming orgasms?
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It’s an individual thing with how much noise they like to make. Lots of noise is often an indicator of a fake orgasm. It has no bearing on how powerful the orgasm is, however. Watch for powerful involuntary body spasms instead.
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“Watch for powerful involuntary body spasms instead.”
yep. tensing of the body is a big one. with clitoral orgasms you can sometimes feel it when you’re inside her. not all girls orgasm that way though so sometimes it’s more that their body is just tensing up.
also, flushed chest and cheeks and incoherent speech. if she’s able to speak in clear sentences with no problems catching her breath…she’s faking.
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Other giveaways of a real orgasm in a woman.
– A blush across the chest (in white women).
– Their pussy being too sensitive to be touched immediately after orgasm.
– Involuntary pussy spasms/contractions.
Having said that, a man that spends more than a passing interest in whether she had an orgasm and how intense is on a highway to nowhere in particular.
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I like the strawberry patch effect above the breasts.
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Often they will start menstruating the day after a thunderous orgasm.
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Funny: I just learned about that last fall. It happened to my girl after our first thunderous night together. Neither of us knew why that was happening.
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Theory: this next day sudden period phenomenon is Nature’s way of preemptively aborting feckless seed.
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@elmer
“Often they will start menstruating the day after a thunderous orgasm.”
spontaneous ovulating after orgasms is a thing too apparently.
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So I gather it is a small percentage.
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They’re really desperate to cure the cognitive dissonance they feel, aren’t they? Grabbing at any explanation to wash away the horrid feeling that they get from having read PUA material and knowing in their hearts that women have a dark nature.
This is a good line of attack. Pin it down, blame it on crazy people, and voom, done. Rationalization completed! Crazy people aren’t responsible for their actions, therefore PUAs are also rapists. Not that we didn’t already know this before, mind you. Because we spend a lot of time thinking about rape. Rape rape rape. RAAAAPE. rape
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I think an ex of mine had BPD traits. Never diagnosed, but as an earlier commenter said, you’ll know it when you bump into it.
Of course, she wasn’t anything close to psychopathic – she was highly functioning, sociable, held down a good job, so nobody outside suspected it.
What she used to do frequently was put me in a double-bind. Things like complaining she hadn’t seen me enough, when the cause of us not seeing each other was her own schedule.
They accuse you of shit that makes absolutely no sense, but it’s beyond just the normal logic-lacking female stuff. It’s crazy shit, and if you try to solve it, you’ll go insane yourself.
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Ooooh! Been there, done that—-twice! My bad.
Unfortunately, the good ones can hide it, usually through use of serious SSRI-inhibitor meds: Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil and their evil cousins, which you may not learn of until after experiencing the fabulous sexcapades these women are capable of. I still remeber recounting to a buddy that being with the first of the two such women, was like living your own porno film dream…..
Then, months later, the crazies come creeping out, slowy at first, then comes total irrationality. Scary shit, that.
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My advice is to feed them massive amounts of alcohol and/or cortex-confusing drugs – like nembutal or intra-nasal ketamine whenever it seems right..
That was my go to thing for years when I hung out far too many days with a complete raving psychopathic 11. The best looking woman I have ever seen in real life or imagined in my dreams. I will testify – it was really hard to not do it… Really hard.. But I quickly realized it had to be on my terms.
I mean, her perfect body and her raging ID were OK by themselves as long as the manacical plotting functionalities in her personality were sufficiently cross-wired and grounded out.
Love, actually.
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Short answer: BPD,NPD, full on Sociopathy – to express their evil all depend largely on maintaining a version of state control. So, get them drunk enough and otherwise so comprehensibly wasted such that they lose it.
Then talk gently to her. Seem very interested. Keep the tapes and files.
What the booze and benzos will cost you will = best investment ever.
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The guys doing more housework (choreplay) getting more sex is crap, several studies* have disproved this. In fact the guys whole done the most housework have the highest rates of divorce.
*http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/men-who-do-housework-have-less-sex/
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“In fact the guys who have done the most housework have the highest rates of divorce.”-
Now that is interesting. How solid do you think the evidence is Ronin?
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A half dozen studies have come out on this in the past year or so that all point to more housework by the man the less sex goes on. Men who work from home or are stay at home Dad’s that do the most housework end up in divorce court.
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It is very solid in my opinion and jibes with our own discussions and observations here. Cheryl Sandberg is selling a shit sandwich so women can focus more on their careers. That’s all she is about.
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A man wants a wife, not a co-worker. Google it.
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(Putin
“Mrs. Gamer told me that she wants to bang many times per day (more than 6) “for bonding’.”
Now that is sweet but one has to wonder if she will maintain that frame for very long considering the history?
on March 5, 2015 at 12:19 pm theasdgamer
Putin, you nailed it. I knew it was just her tingles talking. She hit me with an emotional ambush last night–another loyalty test. Very unstable at this point
I wouldn’t even kiss her this morning when she leaned in for a kiss goodbye. She agreed last night that there are certain topics that we shouldn’t discuss.
Gonna discuss with her her need to get a handle on her emotions and avoid ambushing me.)-
theasgamer- Sorry but I have to move these posts to more recent threads for my convenience. Listen, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what kind of a cluster this is. I wish you the best as I know how tough marriage can be. Let me know if you have any specific questions.
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(“’A girl I met on POF last year reached out to me. She turned me down twice for a date, so I deleted her number and eventually forgot about her, until today.
Her: Hellloooo is this still Benson’s phone?’
Benson, What the hell is this!!!”
Don’t know what you mean. Elaborate, please.)
Benson- You did the correct strategy with this one and it worked, right ?
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Is this the best song of the past decade, vocals and musically speaking? You be the judge. I’m leaning Yes.
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This is a great topic. I have long suspected that many of the girls I knew in college that were self professed Bi-Polar, were in fact just normal drama queens.
I remember meeting a psych nurse at a party once and the kinds of real Bi-Polar behavior behavior he described were not the way the college gals were acting.
One of the things he said stuck with me though… he said that women working in the units were really vulnerable to BPD patients messing with their minds.
So messed with that a couple of women had been seduced by patients.
He said the only way you know what’s what is to stop doing things for the Bi-Polars. Once the Bi-Polars realize that they can’t get anything from someone the charm goes off like a light.
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What kind of girls walk around calling themselves bipolar? I have never met a girl who would brag about having a mental condition. I’m beginning to think that things really are worse in the U.S., that it’s not just American commenters exaggerating.
he said that women working in the units were really vulnerable to BPD patients messing with their minds.
Just like therapists working with criminals. The kind of people drawn to these professions often have a Messiah complex, and the criminal “opens up” and declare how they have never been “understood” before, because everyone has always been so mean to them, until now – and the leftists eat it up.
This is so common that they warn therapists about it in class. And still they fall for it. But then, normal people don’t work as therapists.
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“He said the only way you know what’s what is to stop doing things for the Bi-Polars. Once the Bi-Polars realize that they can’t get anything from someone the charm goes off like a light.”
yep. they will suck you dry with their extreme neediness and once they are unable to get what they want from you, they are pissed.
not sure if it’s true across the board but my ex had an incredible sense of entitlement. i think she honestly believed she deserved to be treated like a queen. that the world revolved around her and everyone should do whatever they could to take care of her.
even though she was a horrible girlfriend, a worthless employee who could never manage to support herself without the help of someone else, and she had almost no friends. wonder why…not.
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Personality ‘disorders’ are just the tail distributions of normal, evolutionary stable strategies. They are inevitable in an animal with as many successful strategies as humans have. This is obvious when you think about how advantageous it is to have personality traits that fall just short of the definition of some of the disorders.
The relevance here is that the more feminine and desirable the woman, the more likely she is to have an hourglass figure and a mind that is highly preoccupied with relationships, emotions, love and sex. An ingénue. Push these traits just a little too far and you have BPD.
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Personality ‘disorders’ are just the tail distributions of normal, evolutionary stable strategies.
With all respect, that is like saying that a broken arm is on the same scale as a normal arm, because everyone gets a little worn out sometimes. Or that a broken wagon wheel is on the same scale as the worn and chipped wheel. If you visit a mental institution and see people who are actually insane, you will know.
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No one is in a mental institution for personality disorder, except a few extreme sociopaths in forensic psych for crimes.
Let me repeat: personality disorders are NOT psychiatry in the same sense that schizophrenia is, they are the abnormal tails of normal distributions.
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I have always suspected that guys who race motorcycles competitively (street bikes), down hill skiers, and ski jumpers must be missing a screw because if they are even the slightest be afraid they cannot do was they need to do to win. Anyone who has an IQ of over 100 or can hold more than two thoughts in their brain at once probably should concentrate on things they can excel at and let the psychotics do what they do well.
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No, but they have a behavior gene that gives them a thrill from danger. This was one of the first behavior genes that were discovered.
Interestingly, those kind of dangerous sports are dominated by Whites, far more than the White percentage of the population would suggest.
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Or as a jaboon might say, running away from such danger:
“Feets, doan’ fail me now!”
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Yep. Most are actually above average intelligence too. Avg and below avg people cannot process information fast enough to make the split second decisions required to do many of those things.
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Dat extra bone in dey ankles helps de feets not ta fail!
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I have a general question that some of you more experienced fellas might be able to give thoughts on.
Is it ever a good idea to have a “talk” with a girl about a relationship (maybe logistics or something). For example, if you move hundreds of miles away for a job…would you just expect her to come with you. Or how would you discuss the logistics of it. Like “hey so this will require effort but we’ll make it happen” (seeing each other twice a month) etc etc.
I know guys that seem to make long distance work even though it freaks me the fuck out. But how would you broach this topic and handle it (or any topic with logistics)
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I remember meeting a psych nurse at a party once and the kinds of real Bi-Polar behavior behavior he described were not the way the college gals were acting.
Yeah, I had a coworker who was bipolar. When you run across the real thing you realize how lame the posers are. When this lady started going into her manic phase her IQ would go up ten points, and she switched from being an introvert to being an extrovert. Total personality change. People who didn’t know her that well would say “Wow, she’s fun to be around lately,” while the rest of us would get that feeling of dread. Because we knew what was coming next.
After a couple days of smart and outgoing she would stop sleeping. For five days or so she’d wander around babbling incessantly about everything and nothing. she’d show up at the abodes of friends and family at 3 AM and talk them to death. Her family would get her committed during the worst of it, though since the state won’t commit you involuntarily unless you’re a danger to yourself or others they’d kick her out as soon as they figured she wasn’t dangerous. Even though she was still loopy.
Eventually the depression would start, and she would sleep for a week or two and not talk to anyone. After another week she’d be more or less normal and come back to work.
Whenever I run across a girl who’s telling people she’s bipolar to get attention I want to spit on her. My coworker lost a lucrative career, has constant relationship problems, and is afraid to make new friends because she doesn’t know how they’ll react when she starts losing it. That’s what real bipolar disease is like. She doesn’t slip it into conversation because it makes her special – she dreads having the subject come up.
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“Bi polar” and “boderline personality” are not the same thing.
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PUA is great for seducing, bedding and handling low-quality crazy BPD girls.
It’s also great for seducing, bedding and handling high-quality sane girls who AREN’T BPD.
But that second sentence is too uncomfortable for Blue Pill people to accept so they put their fingers in their ear after that first sentence and cling desperately to their delusion where PUAs are all going after the “can’t stand up or form sentences” wasted bar star slut with low self-esteem and daddy issues…they could never get a girl like my friend Janice or the girl Samantha that I have a crush on. Those girls would never fall for their manipulative tricks.
If I can knock out a revved up batshit crazy angry raging Mike Tyson, how deliberately obtuse would someone’s view of the world have to be to believe that I couldn’t also knock out a calm rational untrained teenager on the street, even EASIER?
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Having been involved with a woman with Cluster B traits who completely turned my confidence and self-esteem inside out, the issue here with these women isn’t so much “PUA’s” pumping and dumping them…it’s guys who unwittingly get involved with them and then don’t know what they’re dealing with.
This was my situation. My crazy ex followed the trajectory to a “t”…at first she couldn’t do enough for me…always coming out to wherever I was, following me, eye-coding me, then buying me gifts, she was sweetest nicest girl in the world….After I banged her…weirdness started—texting up to 10 times a day…with weird stuff—“Guess which one of these guys was my partner in the show I gave?” kind of childish attention getting stuff.
Then the jealousy….the over-bearing mother who was also Cluster B…the tattoo of another guy’s name on her ass she refused to get removed “Until I get married”…the huge mood swings…one day everything is great….suddenly she’s not texting back…there’s “Trouble”…canceling, guilting, shaming, I’m the worst boyfriend ever….then begging me to come back, breaking up….etc…etc….
I thought “All women are like that”…yes, all women are emotional, but we’re talking about a kind of pathology.
Then there is the “borderline waif”—the non-screaming one…who silently pouts…the sudden departure two days before my birthday…going out with another guy as “Friends” on a dinner date for her birthday…then suddenly dropping me two days before a big event…then acting as if everything was normal.
The more I treated this like a woman I COULD game…the more depressed I became.
Guys cannot “Win” with these women.
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I agree with your premise but that 2 percent number seems hella low. In this age where the breakdown of the family leaves a great big soul wound that can be filled with social media fueled narcissism and psychopathy, personality disorders are most definitely on the rise.
Game has helped me with both “normal” and disordered chicks. The normal ones stick their heads out of the mouse hole, cautiously sniff the air, and then nervously nibble at cocky asshole bait. The PD ones were never in the mouse hole to begin with, and when they sniff the cheese they dive into it with their entire body without any caution and with such gluttony that the cat turns away, nauseated.
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No need for cheese, just aim and squeeze
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The reason why you wrote this is because this assertion struck a nerve.
First of all its not possible to measure the incidence of BPD women in the general population, as BPD women are the least likely to seek therapy and the most likely to actively avoid it. They also respond incredibly badly to therapy, because they are so resistant, and usually end up trying to mindfuck the therapist.
One of the defining elements of every BPD type, excluding the madonna waif archetype, is that they put out very early in relationships. I know this from a clinical perspective and from an experiential perspective. In fact, a girl who puts out early is now a red flag, no an indicator of my ‘game’.
Sure good girls can be seduced by cads under false pretenses, but its usually fairly emotionally damaged women who quickly move towards to sex. If the girl has a history of this it’s a good time to take a step back. Damaged women use sex as a form of validation, and to force premature emotional bonding so they can get their claws in hard and early.
What hurts the PUA community is the fact that they may be indulging in a form of reverse hypergamy where a small pool of wannabe ‘alphas’ is fucking a small pool of career sluts, BPDs and other assorted damaged women. So it’s not so much about game acumen, and more about how insane the women are. It’s not a blanket rule, obviously, but it is a factor.
And before I get labelled anti-Game or whatever, I find this blog useful and its insights helpful. But don’t just shout down anyone who threatens your own mythology. The fact of the matter is the Western woman is an increasingly fucked up creature, that comes with a wide variety of neuroses and personality issues.
If you are able to extract yourself from your contacts with them effortlessly, good for you, but less experienced men can get themselves into a lot of trouble.
Use it don’t use it.
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The reason why you wrote this is because this assertion struck a nerve.
“You’re refuting someone’s argument – that clearly means you AGREE with the argument!”
Brilliant.
I know this from a clinical perspective and from an experiential perspective.
That kind of word crapping shows that you’re a shut-in amateur intellectual. Your whole post is full of it, sentence after sentence – typical for a certain kind of guy, who has seen them fancy documents people write in college and thinks the words will be enough to impress. To the thesaurus!
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Me der now spik der level dat you doz understandz. Dis girlz watz fuckz eazi is der ones datz got per-sons-ali-itz dioduhs. Dems die ones been rapedz n abuseddz or jest fuckzed up. Dems gots PERSONALITEHS disordez not CLINICAL disodez so funding duh pre-val-ence is difficurtz cos deyz dont look for der treatmentz.
TLDReadz you not alhphaz wenz you not fukin yo handz Arby, you is just fuckin der crazy hoes what puts out.
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You’re too tough on Maximus. His following statement and warning are extremely accurate:
“The fact of the matter is the Western woman is an increasingly fucked up creature, that comes with a wide variety of neuroses and personality issues.
If you are able to extract yourself from your contacts with them effortlessly, good for you, but less experienced men can get themselves into a lot of trouble.
Use it don’t use it.”
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Looks like I broke Maximus’ brain. That was real easy.
Someone who makes such a show of his text instead of focusing on actually contributing facts – I have seen several guys like that. Typically around twenty years old and with no friends. They think they sound superior by using the shiniest words they can come up with, but when you look at what the post contains it’s nothing. Usually just parroting mainstream crap, like Maximus’ post.
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Olay Dave, you are repeating the omega’s typical “Women are evil!” creed. Improve.
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Hey, here at the chateau, we only take yeggs what’s been to college.
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Arbiter, you fucktwat, for a start I actually have a degree in psychology. Ask me for a pic of it and I’ll put one up, and make you look like an even bigger cunt than you look at the moment.
Women are not evil. Nowhere in my post do I imply that. I suggest that borderline women are disproportionately more likely to put out early. There are lots of them, and the guys who are getting easy sex are to some extent nailing BPD twat.
I have no doubt that my esteemed host could find his way into the panties of a 10 nun already married to Jesus, but people like you may be fucking borderline twat. Deal with it you smarmy little zeta.
The majority of women are not easily unlocked in the panty department, and I have no doubt that there are accomplished alphas out there who could change this fact.
I simultaneously have no doubt that there are people going out and getting laid early who are fucking BPDs. It’s not complicated.
I also have no doubt that the incidence of BPD (and NPD, and HPD) are much higher than reported since a significant focus of the mainstream media is the corruption of the Western woman.
If you still have questions at this point, please go fuck your fleshlight.
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I’d add that if you exit a relationship at around the 2 year mark, as this blog has recommended, you’re also a bit less likely to encounter the personality disordered in all their glory. So they may pass beneath your radar unless they are at the extreme end of the disorder spectrum.
It takes a year or two for the personality disordered to feel safe enough in their entanglement to begin showing you their true colors. If you’re unlucky you may be married at that point, if you have kids, you’re in some serious trouble. Probably the worst trouble a man can find himself in.
And the big problem is they know that they shouldn’t show you their 50 shades of crazy until you are in a state of entrapment.
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Good comment. I am really leaning towards more MGTOW and whether anybody believes me or not it really is based on being burned by women so many times and recent tinder interactions ramping up their solipsism or whatever you want to call it. Even MSM is writing about how Tinder has just taken Facebook etc. to a new level of fucking up women’s minds. To where it is dangerous to just get involved with them in my opinion. Now many might say that’s because I’m beta and I can’t handle them or whatever and maybe that is in fact true but in any case I’m going to literally have a superstrong frame from now on… like they basically come to my house to fuck and then leave, or nothing at all. I might get nothing at all but I’m not coming anywhere close to risking any kind of LTR anymore. Any man who gets married today is taking a huge risk.
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… no, that is not true. I wish it were, but it is not. You are very wrong.
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I wonder if there is a higher correlation between Cluster-Bs and the type of girls who will tell you very early in the relationship that they’ve been raped before.
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Excellent, measured comment.
Pay no attention to insecure fools on internet forums telling you about your true nature. Hew closely to truth as you do above, and you will be all right.
“I said, ‘Don’t give the prick the satisfaction,’ sir.” — Gunny Highway
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The reason most BPD woman avoid therapy, is 1) because it will mean having to acknowledge their wrong doings, and to feel such an overcharge of guilty emotions will be to much for them and they know that. 2) the only Successful treatment of BPD is cognitive behavioral therapy, which takes massive dedication and time.
In the end most BPDs would rather just say, “this is just who I am”
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While I agree about the butthurt claims, I cant believe that only 2% are BPD. Just as I cant believe more men than women are sociopaths/psycho. Docs just jerkoffs and are educated idiots.
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Keep in mind that’s just BPD, there’s several other goodies lurking out there in the form of Histrionic, narcissistic, and sociopathic to round things out nicely.
They manifest themselves in different ways of course, but share many similarities. I actually find Histrionic to be among the more insidious of the Axis II PD’s, as many of the issues can be far more subtle early on and more difficult to pinpoint. But I was married at one time to an HPD girl and that’s really my only frame of reference.
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The Neurotic waif. The highs are so very high. Yet not high enough to compensate for the lowest of lows.
I’d like to take this opportunity to showcase my last bpd, hopefully it will provide an insight for all the men who read here, whom have not crossed paths with one yet. A heads up.
>In the final year of her psychology degree. Owned a house. Had a part time carer’s job. Looked after her pet dog like her life depended on it. Literally.
On the face of it a perfectly stable girl operating within society.
Within 2 short dates invited me round to her house as she had something ‘important’ to tell me. (seeked my approval the most, actually wanted it the least. Live and learn.)
After a few pleasantries, proceeded to tell me:
– She was diagnosed BPD.
– She was highly promiscuous (I retort ‘what girl isn’t’. I’ll never forget the look on her face…it had ‘you have no idea’ written all over it.)
– She was diagnosed ADHD as a teenager and was one of the first to be put on ritallin in this country
– She has a torrid history with anorexia
– She was abused by her father
– Broke her family up as best she could due to this (hadn’t spoken to her family in 10 years)
– Was sanctioned into a mental health hospital aged 14
-Took her own life, was resuscitated
– Moved to isolation in high risk hospital
– Took her own life again, again resuscitated
– Spent two years in mental health
– Aged 16 after much therapy is moved into a foster home
– Has reasonably stable year, gets into collage
– Gets into a relationship with an abusive drunk
– Is pregnant by him within 9months
– Tumultuous relationship ensues
– At 8 months old child is taken away by child protection agency
– Proves she’s left abusive partner, gets child back
– Is back with abusive partner within 3 weeks (‘I wanted and believed we could be a family again’)
– At age 2 child is taken away again when she is taken into intensive care with multiple abuse injuries
– Kid it taken away permanently, put into adoption system
– Gets back with abuse partner
– Gets pregnant again
– Is back in intensive care within weeks from abuse injuries
– Leaves partner again
– Has abortion
– Has been in therapy ever since whilst getting life ‘back on track’
That was all unloaded with 15 minutes. After I left, told me she’d cried all day from me making her bring everything back to the surface again.
I’d spent all of 2 hours with this girl before she felt compelled to unload this information onto me.
Best roller coaster ride I’ve ever been on. I would actually actively encourage people into getting to know at least one BPD chick in their lives. An eye opener like no other, just make absolutely certain that you do not hang around this HB10 too long.
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This female BPD rate is about on par with the percentage of lesbian homosexuals in the population. Perhaps even lower.
Or probably higher, since the total number of homosexuals in the human population is supposed to be 2%, not just the lesbians.
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“supposed to be”. Probably not even one percent. Back in the 1980s-1990s schools taught that “ten percent are homosexuals!” This bullshit claim came from a volunteer survey, which was packed with homos. The homos even admitted later to doing so for the propaganda value, but the media never mention that.
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This…
… and notice how queers no longer attempt to publicly deride their erstwhile detractors who spoke of the deleterious cultural effects of the “gay agenda”, as if said agenda were merely a paranoid and ‘homophobic’ delusion.
As far back as the thirties, some homosexual wrote an article admitting to the cause and purpose of making the “gay” thing more ‘mainstream’ and ‘accepted’.
If memory serves, he was in show business, the guy who translated Mack The Knife from Brecht’s original lyric, but his name escapes me.
Hence, examples such as this 10% nonsense that’s been quoted as authoritative the past couple of decades… as well as pulling out the most obscure of circumstantial evidence to tout past famous people as possibly queer, e.g., Shakespeare, Lincoln, et. al.
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Actually; a couple studies back in the day indicated that 40-odd percent of men in the 50’s and the early 70’s past the age of 18 had engaged in some level of homosexual activities.
And there have been studies recently that indicate women objective women even more than men do. One that was studying sexuality but not specifically homosexuality and was actually surprised to come onto it basically. When measuring various biological responses they found that women respond to more varied kinds of imagery than men do. On top of that, most women are bisexual, even the ones that identify as hardcore lesbians have some level of attraction to men. On the other hand, most women reacted more to images of naked women than they did to images of naked men.
Of course; I guess that’s why the saying “women are all half gay” exists, on some level we kind of knew that already.
On the flip side almost no men were bisexual, they were either straight or gay with the rare bisexual in there.
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“A couple studies back in the day…” focused on prison inmate populations, who were hardly within the realm of psycho-normality! As ol’ Casey Stengel would say. “You can look it up!”
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Looking it up it saids it includes inmates but doesn’t say it was “only” inmates.
And that wouldn’t go against the more recent study about the females having some serious bi-sexual tendencies.
It is the same one that talks about bonobo’s mating and whatnot.
If you include incidental, basically people who have maybe one or two incidents but aren’t exactly “dedicated” to the life style. The numbers go up abit more than just the two percent mark.
Though interestingly enough, college educated males like college educated females seem more prone to having had some gay behavior.
There is even a study done in 2005 that had the 90% identify as straight bit.
Which considering that some seriously deluded people can engage in homosexual behaviors or even have boyfriends and not consider themselves “gay”.
Well, it might be a little “higher”.
And of course “social” standards vs science standards.
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One more thing I was thinking about; what happens if you factor in “transgender” population on top of the gay population and the TGs are only growing…..
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Are there any women in the United States between the age of 21 and 25 today who do not have a nose ring like a cow? I know there are none who don’t have tattoos, but my question is whether there are any without a nose ring like a cow.
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I fyckin love those. Though the mainstreaming of facial piercings and tattoos is misleading. Even black chicks get them so you think youre talking to a hot (blackhot) black girl who likes Opeth but she just likes Drake. Either way i love that shit on cute white sluts. Im white.
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Trying to remember the name of a Black guy who posts YouTube videos where he is in what appears to be a radio studio, and most of the videos complain about Black women’s behavior. He hates it when they wear “hair hats” for example – wigs. In one video he suggests that a chest tattoo on a woman be called a “beast stamp”, and I can only approve.
He said something like, “White people know what a tattoo is, they even call it a tramp stamp. A woman with a tattoo on her chest is not even a tramp, she’s a beast. That’s how you mark a beast, not a human. It’s a beast stamp.”
Lest people think I look down on all Blacks, I never have. Only those who act like niggas, which are the majority, and they deserve to be criticized. This guy’s videos I liked, I recall. Also writers like Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams over at LewRockwell, exposing the “discrimination” charade.
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Then you too are a brainwashed millennial victim. Your generation’s women make even gen x women seem sane.
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You’ve proven yourself many times to be a retard, so…
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Arbiter
Trying to remember the name of a Black guy who posts YouTube videos where he is in what appears to be a radio studio, and most of the videos complain about Black women’s behavior.
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Tommy Sotomayor
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Better the nose ring of a cow than the weight of a cow.
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More pertinent, are there any married men in the United States between the ages of 25 and 65 who do not have a nose ring?
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Lol
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BPD women are hell to date. Never ask them to make a decision, you’ll regret it. Take firm control at all times. It’s the blowing hot and cold that drives me nuts.
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They try to turn everything you say into an attack on them, I have noted. If you plan a day together, they turn that into you being controlling; insert their own demands that wreck the schedule, and then accuse you of wanting to control everything. Food – you state a preference, they will demand that you two eat the opposite. You act slow when helping her out, like correcting the language in a paper she is going to hand in next week, and she’ll say you do it to show your disapproval and dominance. Etc, etc. Any little thing will be used as proof that you want to control, when in fact it is a way for her to control. She will accuse you of her own behavior.
Similar to how leftists always accuse their targets of the things they do: “extremism”, “greed”, “violence”, “hate”, “racism”, “discrimination”. I am pretty sure that most mentally ill people vote Left. That’s where the goodies come from, and a license to act as if the world revolves around them.
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Argh. Well-said. That psycho mix of projection + blaming someone’s reaction to their shitty behavior/mentality on them & then using it as a justification for said shitty behavior/mentality/propaganda, + even continuing it going-forward.
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In my case she had the uncanny ability to spontaneously create an argument out of anything. But the sex, oh the sex! Eventually it wasn’t worth it.
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“They try to turn everything you say into an attack on them”
this. they are ALWAYS butthurt or bent out shape about something and super defensive. no rhyme or reason to it. you’ll do something one day and it’s fine. do the exact same thing another time and the shit hits the fan. you’re always walking on egg shells with these girls.
and they can’t seem to find happiness internally at all. very negative personalities in general i think and they are fully dependent on others to keep them entertained, stable, and functional. the constant need for positive external feedback is unreal. fishing for compliments is a daily occurrence with these girls. they are truly exhausting.
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I have noted it’s not just BPD women that do that… it’s most women… and also the men of certain races.
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They try to turn everything you say into an attack on them, I have noted.
“I have noted it’s not just BPD women that do that… it’s most women… and also the men of certain races.”
this is true.
it is rare to find one who can actually own up and apologize for doing something wrong instead of responding automatically with defensive snarkiness.
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“it is rare to find one who can actually own up and apologize for doing something wrong instead of responding automatically with defensive snarkiness.”
rare indeed. find a girl like that and you better not let her go.
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“it is rare to find one who can actually own up and apologize for doing something wrong instead of responding automatically with defensive snarkiness.”
I have a lot of BPD behavior that I struggle with, but I always own up and apologize. I don’t see how you can be in a RL with someone who won’t apologize for crazy behavior. And yes, BPDs know, or at least have the capacity to know, that their behavior is crazy and their feelings are irrational. They just struggle with how to manage it. A BPD who won’t even acknowledge she has a problem is a lost cause, imo.
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In my case she had the uncanny ability to spontaneously create an argument out of anything. But the sex, oh the sex! Eventually it wasn’t worth it.
Gosh some of these comments are hitting close to home in regards to my wife.
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Wonder how many of these have BPD…
NICOLE RICHESS, pleaded guilty to making false rape allegations against two soldiers because she did not want to admit she had been unfaithful to her boyfriend ; http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/woman-admits-false-rape-claims/ar-BBi0637
WANETTA GIBSON, now admits, she Falsely Accused Football Star of Rape – He Receives Five Years In Prison, She Receives $1.5 Million of Taxpayers’ Money; http://ncfm.org/2012/05/news/criminal-sentencing/woman-admits-she-falsely-accused-hs-football-star-of-rape-he-receives-five-years-in-prison-she-receives-1-5-million-of-taxpayers-money/
NATASHA FOSTER, admits she lied to police about being raped has pleaded guilty to a charge of perverting the course of justice; http://www.ballymenatimes.com/news/local-news/local-woman-admits-making-false-rape-claims-1-5518294
KATELYN WEBSTER, say she lied about being raped, because she didn’t want to get into trouble with her father for having ‘sucker bites; http://patch.com/pennsylvania/peters/venetia-girl-charged-with-lying-about-rape
REBECCA HOWARD, admits making false rape claim against two men; http://www.courier.co.uk/Woman-admits-making-false-rape-claim/story-13207942-detail/story.html
An “IDENTITY PROTECTED” Girl, who had a Man locked up for ten years for rape, finally came forward and admitted that she and her witness had lied about the rapes. http://www.japancrush.com/2015/stories/man-serves-6-years-for-rape-before-girl-admits-she-lied.html
KIMBERLEY WHEELHOUSE, admits making false rape claims against two men, after attending a house for arranged sex; http://www.northern-times.co.uk/News/Woman-admits-false-rape-claim-20012014.
PHILIPA COSTELLO, who had claimed she was raped admitted lying to police about the incident and pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice; http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10448146.Woman_admits_making_a_false_rape_claim/
Another “IDENTITY PROTECTED” Woman, who admitted to making a false rape allegation against a male student, will not be charged. “Our focus is towards support and care for her,’’said university police chief Pete Andrers; http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/woman-admits-she-wasn-t-raped-saturday-on-mu-campus/article_29f316be-57a3-11e4-8f3c-001a4bcf6878.html
Another “IDENTITY PROTECTED” Woman, admits her rape claim was false but will not face prosecution; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-30132260
JOANIE FAIRCLOTH, “The statements I made about being raped by Conor Oberstare were “100% false” http://m.spin.com/articles/conor-obersts-name-cleared-rape-accuser-admits-she-lied/
ANN-MARIE GOUGH, admitted to lying over rape claim against two men in car; http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/3598117.Woman_admits_lying_over_rape_claim/
Another “IDENTITY PROTECTED” FEMALE SUDENT, who had reported a sexual assault in the Texas Tech Student Recreation Centre, has admitted her statements were false; http://redraiders.com/local-news/2014-10-21/tech-student-admits-making-false-statements-connection-rape-allegations#.VPmzo2IgGSM
BILLIE JO EADS, Admits Making A false rape claim against innocent man; http://www.theindychannel.com/news/police-woman-admits-making-false-rape-claim
CHARMAINE RIPLEY, who falsely claimed she had been raped in a park, has admitted wasting police time; http://www.thanetgazette.co.uk/Margate-woman-admits-making-rape-park-claim/story-19869011-detail/story.html
Another “IDENTITY PROTECTED” GIRL, admitted putting an innocent man behind bars by falsely accusing him of rape because she was afraid of what her boyfriend would do when he found out she had sex with him; http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/teen-girl-admits-false-rape-1879187
SUSAN BRADLY, who had accused two men of raping her, now admits “the attack never took place”. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369536/Fury-woman-cried-rape-sparking-major-police-hunt-handed-80-penalty-notice.html
MICHELLE GRAFTON, admits making up rape claim because “she liked the attention” http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10642709
AMANDA ROLAND, who had made rape accusation against an innocent man, latter admitted that she had made up the story and staged a scene at her home to make it appear as if a struggle had taken place. http://www.wjhl.com/story/25099879/kingsport-woman-allegedly-admits-to-making-up-story-about-rape
CHANEYA KELLY, whose testimony jailed her own, Navy Veteran father, for 20-40 years for rape, now says she was coerced by her mother to lie about the charges; http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/woman-accused-father-raping-lied-article-1.1430957
MELINDA DENHAM, admits to falsely accusing her boyfriend of rape because she was “angry at him for not returning her phone calls”. http://www.examiner.com/article/angry-woman-admits-to-falsely-accusing-her-boyfriend-of-rape
Another “IDENTITY PROTECTED” College Student, Admits She Lied About Fighting Off Rapist; http://laist.com/2015/01/23/riverside_community_college_rapist.php
Another “IDENTITY PROTECTED” Woman, who claimed she was sexually assaulted by two male students, now admits it didn’t happen; http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/woman-claims-she-was-sexually-assaulted-admits-it-didnt-happen/article/2555018
BIURNY PEGUERO who’s rape claim saw a man sentenced to 20 years in prison, confesses four years later, to a priest and then to the DA’s office that she made the whole thing up, because she “wanted people to feel sorry for her” http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/12/10/203014/15/innocencecases/Man-Freed-After-4-Years-Victim-Admits-False-Rape-Report
GEMMA SCOONES, admits Making a second false rape allegation, avoids prison; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1299310/Woman-admits-SECOND-rape-offence-spared-jail-heavily-pregnant.html
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We all know this but angle not often mentioned: the nature of women is another reason the old rule used to be no sex outside of marriage, and both sexes actually followed that to an extend that is large compared to today’s tinder world. Then after marriage, if course, there’s your “written consent” the confused liberals are now having to bring to a world of common sex outside of marriage, and the idea of rape inside a marriage was laughable.
The current situation of no rules and confusion is 100% caused by feminism. Used to be if a nonmarried woman claimed rape, there was a decent chance it was true. Now we know that it has become trendy with these stupid sluts to cry rape when their boyfriend doesn’t text them soon enough or after drunken consensual sex
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@Sticking It Out There – outstanding! Where did you source these?
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Thank you greatly for this post.
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@Junior
I just tapped in “woman admits making a false rape accusation” to google. I could have included lots lots more but didn’t have the time..
I intend to add to this list and post it here and elsewhere so we have a permanent record at our disposal.
@skillvstrate…. You’re welcome buddy. Thought this information needed to be out there. Feel free to use it.
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@ walawala , habd, yareally, kant, scray, sentient
This just in. Wtf happened here?
Pua hate? Burned by alphas in the past? Bad game on my end? Feminist bitch?
Me: You look like trouble
Me: Are u *ethnicity*? (After one day)
Her: No
Me: No trouble or no *ethnicity*?
Her: Both .. why do u ask?
Me: U seem interesting
Me: I thot only *ethnicity* lived in *her city*
Her: Nope
Her: *her ethnicity* as well
Me: Thats cute
Me: We shud rob a bank together
Her: Wth?
Me: Yea. U will distract security with ur cuteness
Her: What a nice pickup line
Me: Thnx
Me: U have an eye for talent
Her: What do u want? Come to the point
Me: Slow down. U r moving too fast for me
Her: *confused smiley face*
Me: Wat do u do
Her: Give me one good reason for replying you
Me: Im awesome
Her: hahahahaha
Me: U r so demanding
Her: I just dont talk to random people? (Yea right. Thats wat u have been doing wtf lol)
Me: How many ppl u know now who were once random
Her: Yes yes yes i have heard this line like a million times before
Her: But i have met them all in person before ( random opened her on fb. Never seen her before)
Me: lol
Me: Must have took a lota effort
Her: Lol???
Me: Effort. On ur part. To get that line a million times (should not have explained the neg? Took her bait? Better response anyone?)
Her: Okay (neg fell flat? played in her frame?)
Me: (after half hour) R u always so grumpy?
Her: Oh yes finally.. now u know! (massive bitch shields throughout)
Me: Must be a pain in the ass for ppl around u
Her: Yeah right
Me: Do u have cats?
Her: Used to
Me: They left u?
Her: Very funny lol i cant stop laughing
Me: U r easy to please
Her: *likes*
Me: So wat u do
Her: Study
Me: wat
Her: *her study major*
Me: lol i wud never have guessed
Her: lol why
me: doesnt go with ur personality. *some femcunt study major* is more like u
Her: what do u know about me.. u hardly know my name and backgroung
me: calm down
her: i am
Me: getting offended on little things is no way to go thru life
Her: and how much u charge for these lessons?
Me: that wud b a million dollars. Just for u
Her: argh!!! :@
Me: behave!
Her: dont tell me to behave mr..
me: wat will u do
(next day)
Me: boo!
Her: what now?
me: you sound depressive. Wats the matter
Her: nothing. Im fine
me: (at her dp) r u fair or is it the light effect
Her: in my dp?
Her: i think its the light effecf (calls the DQ bluff)
Me: thats wat i thot ( better response? U have Low self esteem?)
Her: *likes*
Me: u know wat (given up by this time. Just experimenting here to see response. Not very favorable lol)
Her: what?
Me: u need some spanking
Her: what do u mean?
Me: u need to be put in line
Her: who the hell are you to tell that?
Me: im batman (default response in most situations. Works wonders. Not this time)
Her: fuck off!!!
(ouch. The end. That was exhausting. Bitch fields were stronger than thor’ s hammer. Thots? Cud have been turned around at multiple junctures? Nope, it was a lost cause all along? I am sure there are some sticking points in there tho)
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Seems like bad game, really forced interaction and you are wedging in canned stuff, in an uncalibrated way. But you knew all this already, right?
Are you in India?
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@Sentient
I posted on the last thread requesting your 2 cents – any thoughts, appreciated!
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@WalkyTalky Ok I’ll have a go at this.
First of all, 1) too many questions, it’s like pulling teeth with this girl: “What now?” that was your cue to drop her
Basically, you’re over-gaming a girl. it’s you smacking her over the head and she’s not playing along.
Banter should be one or two texts, then an invitation.
She didn’t respond to your first opening. You re-opened a day later….she still didn’t bite…leave it.
My rule is I will banter for a few texts. If the girl is not responding, or later pro-active, I drop her and move on.
I had a few girls I was bantering with…it comes time to meet, they flake. I re-open a few days later with an invite: “Drinks”…if I get some push-back, I leave it.
Not all girls are gameable. The texts you sent read like a menu of witty openers, don’t use all of them in one go with one girl….
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The “BPD” referred to are more accurately defined as “Cluster B” personality disorders – the histrionic, narcissistic, anti social, and borderline cluster . And they are a hell of a lot more common than 2% of the population these days. These disorders now seem to be the default condition of American women…
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Agreed. And the women with these conditions seem to have something in common – they give it up very quickly and with pornstar vigor.
So much so, that I have come to immediately suspect a cluster B disorder with women who put out right away. Obviously, that may not always be the case, but, no crap, experience it more than once in your lifetime and you’ll always be on guard.
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It’s not just putting out right away, since that can conceivably happen with a skilled enough PUA or if she’s just in the mood and is attracted to you, it’s also her attempting to initiate an immediate, deep emotional connection. They’ll tell you way more about themselves as you start to get to know them than anyone else would. They try get you to feel like you’re the guy they’ve been waiting for their whole lives before they even know you. It’s like they completely lack caution. And it’s not really them letting their guard down, since they’re playing from a subconscious script, it’s them trying to trick you into letting your guard down.
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When you find a girl who is not Cluster B, can you send me her number and your Sasquatch pics.
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NAWALT! Not all women are in top 1% of psychopath deviance. Actually 99% are not.
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Brief note – reminder about state and being open to “random” interactions and trying to jump through the windows when they present themselves. Also at the bottom a question for the assembled on back turns – are they are aren’t they AI’s?
Another night out. Jet lagged, tired. Observation on state is – state wants to just go to bed. But need to try and optimize my opportunity window, so I head out to a nightlife area in a small uni city, place is a 30 minute cab from where I am staying in an upscale resort. A hike.
Get to this old bar/club 9:30ish. Pretty quiet, but looks promising. DJ/dance area off to one side, a couple of smaller bars/lounges much quieter off to the fringes, good isolate/bounce spots. Could be a good set up. Hook with the bartender and get the rundown from her, should get busy later. Get into some good long stories with her, she is a roller derby girl as well. So that;s interesting. Some social proof established but very few girls here. a few guys come buy, so I end up opening them and shooting the shit for an hour, space starts to get a little busier but mostly obvious couples, like they are sitting next to each other small booths couples. I’ve not gotten to the point of just going and sitting in a booth with couples like this.
Anyhow a couple of the guys are OK, buy me a round, then I get them one. But they are kind of hipster weird. Other guys in the place make conversation difficult. It’s odd guys would rather stand by themselves and chode out rather than have any interaction, even with other dudes? I did see something funny, a couple of tall buff dudes roll in. Grab a drink peruse the scene, I watch them. terrible terrible body language, hand jammed in pocket, chode beer choke, really stiff kind of afraid to swivel their heads and look around. Look like guys who are waiting to be opened. And when it doesn’t happen they split. Just another good reminder how much more attractive open and strong body language is and fluid movements. That really does radiate confidence. Open a few girls, one set say they are lesbians on a date LOL. I run into this a lot in hipster places.
So now my state is very weak. Real tired, it’s like 11:30 and the place is still pretty dead, so I can stay and push it and see if it gets busy after 12 or just bail. I bail. Hit Uber and they are 5 minutes out. go out front, there is a line of like 10 cabs outside this place. I am right by the first cab and the driver calls if I need a ride. I come over to the window and look in. A young blond chick cabdriver. That;s odd. she looks OK, hipster glasses on. I tell her Uber is coming. She’s like Oh ok. I move back and wait. She ends up getting out of her cab and comes and stands next to it. She’s pretty hot, skinny 5’7 – good seven. solid young hipster girl.
So here it is. Is this an AI, is it a window. The quick Game math says, hmmmm 30 minute ride with a 7 or with a dude named Jose? So I tell her you know never mind Uber, look you safe enough, I’ll go with you. Cancel Uber. Then I tell her I’ll sit up front with you… she’s like Ok. So we hop in and head out. Have a good ride with her, DHV about where I am coming from and going to. she grew up in this city, never went to college, is 25 and trying to scratch out a living. Also takes care of her mental mom and little sister, works a 8 to 3AM shift in the cab. So some good rapport going. i am listening for openings, her BF broke up with her a year ago, after she gave him money for his own cab (OK alpha asshole preferences noted – also lack of sex noted…) she is so busy working and taking care of her family she has no life. so this is the kind of window a mystery guy can hop through.
Her divorced dad is a pretty well known photographer and he has a new wife a 3 year old, she doesn’t see him much but loves him (hint – daddy issues looking. Perfect) I tease her about being his model and she laughs and confesses she tried it but is too short… I neg her a bit about this and being modest and start some kino on her arm. all going well. I ask her if she ever takes a service break during her shift, she says no (seeding the potential for one).
She has never even been to this resort and says she should come back in the daytime and check it out. We are getting close now on the grounds. i tell her I’ll show you around. she’s like I can’t. I say nonsense and direct her to drive past the bellstand and to an employee lot and park. she now like OK, I can spare some time. Cha ching! So we park and she is running my card and fumbling her hands and all. It’s kind of cute. Then her fucking asshole boss calls her. I have her phone, she is liek Oh shit is that froom John. I say yeah she answers and tells him she is finishing with customer will call him back.
So we get out of the cab, and she comes round and bumps into me and apologizes for it. I laugh, throw my arm around her waist and say nah you are just showing me you’re cute. So we are walking, my arm around her waist toward the entrance. I was going to take her to this overlook and make out a bit then on up. Then her boss calls her again, she answers while we are walking. At this point i had taken the keys out of her hand and was walking holding her hand, strong boyfriend posture, leading her, my hand over hers, palm to palm, stroking her hand with my thumb. They get into a bit of an argument though, he is like you need ot get back down here etc.
So she hangs up. I hold her, My arms around her skinny sexy little waist, she pressed up on me, laser eyeing her. Just like boyfriend and girlfriend for years, She is like man I have to go. I kiss her and say too bad. Try and keep her distracted and kiss her some more but she like no really I reaaaaaalllly have to go, and she wriggles away. I’m like OK girl, good luck with you, smile. Sweet sweet girl. Fuck. That would have been awesome to execute on.
So another blow out, but I’m happy i saw some window and tried my best to execute. Looking back I should have amped up the kino more in the car and pushed attraction more, I was giving her too much rapport with her crazy life story. She was attracted but not crazy attracted.
I know you guys are always ragging on bitches but my experience has been pretty uniform, nearly all of them have been cute, sexy, girly and a lot of fun to be with. Even if they started off a bit bitchy. If you think girls are so THIS or THAT you are too invested in them and will be missing a lot of good times. They just want fun and some emotion.
This improved my state quite a bit. BTW
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OK question on the back turn. Situation – you see a group of 3 girls about 20 feet away, you make eye contact with them and just as you are about to move forward, all three turn around in unison, maybe get their phones out etc. so now you are facing their backs. so not a NO girl hand up, but not inviting. Some places say this is an approach invite, some say no. Thoughts on this and if it is AI, what are some good approaches???
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Sentient I thought that was a great Interaction. Looks like a long term play you should have her number and when you are back in town close.
I too get to a different city been working and traveling all day and find it hard to go out. But I usually find that those are the best times and I get the most play. Not sure why.
Finally I agree I am finding cute playful young women when I get out there. Usually not the hot 8+ but those are rare anyway.
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Yeah I would love to do some day 2 things. This girl would have been perfect for it. But I don’t do numbers for comm security.
I don’t know how you do it Reco. Like the last thing I need is some drunk 23yo calling my phone at 2 am…
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@Sentient – I like these vignettes dude, but how do you find the time to type them?
This one would have taken me like 45 mins (but is v useful to read). I do keep private notes of all interactions but those are much shorter..then I expand them as needed if I’m posting here..(great move on the cab choice though – especially when state is so bad and you have to push yourself). There’s a good RSD/Tyler video quite recently where he films himself out of state and talks about getting over it..I can’t dig the link out but YaReally will probably have it off the top of his head..:)
As for the comm security thing – my position is different, but what I gather is that the normal procedure is to have a second phone (vast majority of infidelity is discovered when spouse checks phone or logged in Facebook or similar) . The key will then be making sure that the second phone is never in your home and is always in your office and you check messages there and take it on your travels..something like that.
Yeah, some (slight) heightened risk but you have to consider the benefits which are substantial.
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@Sentient – longer post in mod but it seems to me that it is closer to an AI..especially if they are on their phones, it’s like “come rescue me”. But I’m not sure the back turn is a big deal in itself – more about reading the general vibe of the group and whether it is inviting.
I can’t remember opening any sets that did specifically that. But virtually every set I’ve (totally) cold approached and interrupted conversations has gone down well..
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Nah these things just pour out in 10 minutes… Hence lots of typos!
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The fact that the experienced players here can clearly distinguish between the women they’ve dated with BPD and the rest suggests that they don’t ALL have BPD, doesn’t it?
Also, in my 2 experiences with BPD women, there was zero Game necessary – they each went to great lengths to track me down and seduce me after chance encounters, in fact. I had been warned about one of them by multiple mutual friends of ours and so it took a great deal of aggressive and overtly sexual pursuit on her part (she got my phone number from a friend and started sending me unsolicited nudes, for example) before my curiosity overwhelmed my caution, and my reluctance to have anything to do with her only spurred on her efforts.
The charge that Game only works on damaged women is part sour grapes from anti-Game men and part rationalization from women who don’t want to think that any of this stuff works on THEM.
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That’s a good one. I have figured out the vast majority of them are stupid, vapid losers. The truly are. This thing is an understatement. Most of them fit four of these categories. They offer nothing but sex (for a while but eventual crazy shitstorms, theft and false rape allegations).
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Over at A Voice for Men, Paul Elam and Dr. T are doing some great hangouts on BPD. I wholeheartedly recommend watching them all the way through. Search for “Going Mental.” They also have a new book out titled “Say Goodbye to Crazy,” which I suspect will be just as good.
Now, AVFM has done a clever thing. First they teach you how to deal with crazy women, and then they let you interact with Moderator Suz to give you practice! Sadly, Suz (why do all crazy women have this name?) will make them say goodbye to your donations.
LOL. The hangouts are truly excellent though. Take notes.
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This is hilarious.
http://www.myfitmatch.singles
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David Aurini has an interesting video about BPD:
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Well BPD aren’t the only crazies out there, and I put the percentage higher than 2% of all women.
“An estimated 30.8 million American adults (14.8 percent) meet standard diagnostic criteria for at least one personality disorder as defined in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-Fourth Edition (DSM-IV), according to the results of the 2001-2002 National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions (NESARC) reported in the current issue of the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry [Volume 65:948-958].”
This is the better answer, because it isn’t just BPD women, you’re dealing with about 15% the women having a personality disorder. (Notice that’s also the percentage of women that get divorced that don’t get custody of children. Coincidence?)
Another 4% or so have bipolar.
about 18% of the population suffers from anxiety disorders
about 29% of all women get treatment for a mental health issue.
And if you talk to any man that dates a lot, its about 1 in 5 to 1 in 3 of the women are batshit crazy.
So while I agree that game works on all women and think its a mistake to underestimate the dangers out there.
The behavior of crazy women is to a certain extent in society normalized and accepted.
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There is also selection bias. I would bet any amount of money that the sanest women are also the ones who never or almost never go out to places where they can easily meet single men. The sanest women probably spend a lot of time at home, or at the library. The crazy chicks go to the clubs.
[CH: you’ve gotta be shittin me. the library? come the fuck on. sane women go out all the time. what, you really think sane, normal women don’t like going out to socialize in sexually heated environments? Are sane women ascetics in your world? are only crazy chicks interested in meeting men?
SC… or should i call you LotB?… you’ve said some pretty stupid shit here, but this one is a real howler. the only kinds of women who stop going out to social venues are women already tits-deep in a relationship. and even among those it’s only a minority who throw in the towel completely on a social life.
oh, and old women don’t go out either. but that’s self-preservation.]
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Sane women know that promiscuity is bad for them and bad for society at large. This is why the sanest women avoid clubs and bars. They also avoid having smartphones, and avoid spending too much time on social media.
Even among young women (18-30), the sanest ones I know of are spending their free time at home, reading, helping out their families, walking the dogs, etc.
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