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The Seductive Value Of Emotional Range

March 6, 2015 by CH

little 15
why does she have to defend
her feelings inside
why pretend
she’s not had a life
a life of near misses
now all that she wants
is three little wishes
she wants to see with your eyes
she wants to smile with your smile
she wants a nice surprise
every once in a while

Women have slicker emotional fluidity than men, but their highs aren’t as high nor their lows as low as the passions that men are capable of feeling. Few women will ever feel with the same intensity the exhilarating rush of power that a man feels when he is victorious in struggle. Few women will experience the lustful, insistent, romantic yearning that surges outward from every corpuscle of a young man’s being when the merest flicker of a pretty girl grazes his retina.

To rectify this sin-inducing passion deficit, the devil gave women, as substitution for intensity of emotion, frequency of emotion. Whereas a man can easily make it through a day without needing his emotional state roused to action, women slowly rot from the inside if their inner emotional joyride rusts unused for too long. Women are not built for stoicism; an imposed stoicism drives them mad, a self-imposed stoicism madder still.

When a woman isn’t receiving her recommended gaily allowance of emotional stimulation, she will try to “fill the tank” by seeking out a man who can make her feel alive or, if no man like that is available, by manufacturing drama in the hopes of dragging others across the event horizon into into her black hole of anxiety.

This sex differential in emotional consonance has a major implication for the sexual market. Women, in general the more passive sex, will be more attracted to men who are skilled at frothing a woman’s broad (but shallow) well of emotions and, from that foundation, creating an emotional connection. As the “receiving” sex, women will naturally gravitate to men who best represent the prerogative of the “injecting” sex. (Fainting dames are welcome to describe men as the “infusing sex”.)

Like all things romance, there are inherent and unresolvable contradictions in the system which a wise player abides. Yes, women are drawn to “the oak”, the man who can keep his cool when her’s is heating up, who lets her frolic under his protective branches. But all stoicism all the time makes Jack a dull boy. Women also want to feel what a man feels, because women know, instinctively, that men boil with an active volcano of white hot passion women can only dream of feeling for themselves. So women, as the sex with the greater need for constant emotional stimulation, will work hard to coax that passion out of men, and when it comes to soak it up like the rays of the sun.

Unfortunately, this is the subroutine of courtship which fails too many men. I’ve seen it happen to older men and to socially maladjusted nerds, the two largest groups with a propensity to stifle their expressiveness, or an incapacity to summon it in the proper dosage. The older Lothario, through a combination of his own negligence and a fatefully slow passion contraction, will lean on manly stoicism less as a seduction tactic than as a necessity to compensate for gimped emotional range.

The spergy nerd has a different problem. His emotional range is bifurcated. Most of the time he’s a monotonic drone, but sufficiently pressured by social contingencies will explode in a cluster bomb of random emotional shrapnel, thereby codifying the social ostracism that always stalks him.

Older men and nerds aren’t the only kinds of men with a constricted emotional range. For example, men suffering from PTSD can lose the ability to feel emotion, or to signal emotion to others. To a normal woman, a man incapable of the occasional burst of passionate feeling must seem an alien to her female mind. Intriguing to her for a while, yes, but absent some human dimension her intrigue will soon enough wither to revulsion.

A lack of emotional range is a serious handicap in the mating trenches for men who don’t have palpable or tacitly acknowledged social power to leverage in exchange for pussy. If this describes you, it’s time to learn how to express yourself. But not haphazardly. There’s still a stern science to this sloppy art.

Here are a few pointers for improving your emotional range:

– Learn to be more facially expressive. Raised eyebrows, comically widened or narrowed eyes, winks, hyperbolic brow furrows, etc. You don’t have to be Jim Carrey in Ace Ventura, but you do want to be more than a blank sheet of flesh with eating and breathing inputs.

– Use your full body. Accentuate your words with hand gestures. Backturn when she misbehaves. Become skilled in the art of slithering close to a woman. Play the “stop repeating me game”, except wordlessly, with your body mimicking hers. It goes without saying that you don’t want to be a spaz. Control of your body mechanics to whatever purpose you put your physicality is key. Be bodily loose, but also be capable of shutting it down at a moment’s reflection. Girls like to know a man is both excitable and self-calming.

– Use a fuller vocal range. Vocal variability is attractive to women.

– Try to “shock” a woman into attraction by polarizing her. There will be more on this in a future post. (Yes, it is possible to trigger attraction in a disinterested female stranger with nothing more than your body language and your words. This is one of the great advantages of being a man.)

– If you have the time and inclination, take an acting or improv class.

– Get well-acquainted with the classic game concepts of push-pull, hot-cold-hot-cold. Bring her up, bring her down, Take her high, take her low. Tell her a happy story about cute puppies, then tell her a sad story about dead cats. Be sexual with her, then be cold. Appease her, then befuddle her. Emotional range doesn’t mean going to one extreme and staying there; it means exploiting the whole spectrum of emotions.

– Storytelling succeeds in the details. Your stories don’t need a plot or a point if they are told with loving details that light up her imagination. In practice, this means more references to the senses: textures, colors, aromas, etc.

– Sing. In the middle of a pickup, I might just sing aloud a thought or two, Is it ridiculous? Yes. Does it entrance women? Yes.

– If you feel happy, or sad, or angered during the time you’re talking with a girl, express those emotions a degree more fiercely than you would in an office setting.

– To nerds: Your best option for self-improvement will be observing men who are good at emotional expression in the field. You have an elevated power of observation, so put it to use. There will be fits and starts, but after a few flame-outs with women you’ll get the hang of it.

– To weary, cynical men: Biomechanical feedback loops are a real thing. Time and/or experience may have robbed you of your expressiveness, but you can, to borrow a nerd expression, reinstall the OS by forcing a reboot. Making pointed efforts to expand your emotional range and expressiveness will invigorate any natural and instinctive habits of the emotional centers of your mind which have atrophied over time. “Fake it till you intake it” works.

– Finally, a cheap and easy method to project emotional range is sarcasm. Sarcastic remarks tend to recruit facial and bodily cooperation for some reason. Just don’t overdo it. Too much sarcasm will incriminate you as the kind of soul-seared man with massive ego-protecting shields. A girl has to feel like she’s cracking through your shell to the “real you”, and sarcasm works against that progression.

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  1. on March 6, 2015 at 12:53 pm The Seductive Value Of Emotional Range | Manosphere.com

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 2:59 pm Hopeychangey

      You need comment upvotes and and a ranked sort. im tired of scrolling past the new Niki “my pussay” Minaj video to get to the real meat. Thanks in advance

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  2. on March 6, 2015 at 12:57 pm SuperFucker!

    Excellent, solid post.

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 9:11 am Reco

      I agree there is a ton of valuable and actionable info here. I am going to start using it right away.

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 6:00 pm The Spirit Within

      Best post in months. Nothing to add. It would be like touching up the Sistine Chapel.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 6:08 pm Philomathean

        Very sloppy simile, Spirit. You can do better.

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  3. on March 6, 2015 at 1:01 pm Arbiter

    A good lesson. Game forums/blog posts lean too much toward a stoic James Bond. Because young guys hear too much about how good it is to “let your feelings out” like women do, and hear that men – especially Whites, “WASPs” – are too “emotionally stunted”. So they risk acting in a flimsy and needy way, and need to be corrected.

    But the advice often goes overboard. It is simply too easy to advocate the unflinching, “cool” image, because then you don’t need to learn any nuances. It is also the tactic for keyboard jockeys in debates: hold up the tough/tougher/toughest ideal in every situation, and anything else will look softer and try-hard in comparison, so you “win” that way. “You don’t need any of that! Just be Alpha! There, I win!”

    In a PUA forum there will be lots of detailed advice, down to what kind of clothes to wear, what you should have at home, anything. In the manosphere, unfortunately the “Just Be Alpha” declaration is used by some to sound above it all, so the detailed advice disappears.

    Those who are best at picking up never act that way. They are the rock, but they are also more than the rock. This is obvious everywhere – except in some online discussions.

    Also:

    The older Lothario, through a combination of his own negligence and a fatefully slow passion contraction, will lean on manly stoicism less as a seduction tactic than as a necessity to compensate for gimped emotional range.

    The spergy nerd has a different problem. His emotional range is bifurcated. Most of the time he’s a monotonic drone, but sufficiently pressured by social contingencies will explode in a cluster bomb of random emotional shrapnel, thereby codifying the social ostracism that always stalks him.

    How true.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 1:23 pm Arbiter

      Sing. In the middle of a pickup, I might just sing aloud a thought or two, Is it ridiculous? Yes. Does it entrance women? Yes.

      Ha, good advice. Once, after I had slept with a girl on the second date, I woke up in the morning full of energetic mirth and greeted her in a theatrical way, talking about the splendors of the sunny morning sky, etc. I even sang a bit in the kitchen. Then I threw an egg to/at her. This girl was still in high school (though her parents paid for her to have her own apartment, which is where we woke up) and later said I was so different from the guys in her class, and she loved it. Being jokingly dramatic in the right way, a way that showed my Shakespearean knowledge, did not come off as childish but as more adult. Adult doesn’t have to mean “never move a facial muscle”.

      Aside from the advice CH gives I would like to add one that helps keep your mind fresh, both when it comes to emotional range and in other issues. My advice is to always change things in your life, things big and small. Take a different route home, shop in different stores, listen to new kinds of music (even the ones you don’t like), paint, go to new places, try new activities – move things around in your kitchen cabinet, anything. Anything that disrupts your routine. So that you learn not to be uncomfortable with things that disrupt your routine. Which includes not being uncomfortable with using a wider range of emotion than you do at work. Plus it’s fun.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 8:13 am Mofo

        As an older guy with a much narrowed emotional range compared to 15 years ago (and happily so – being emotional is exhausting stuff) I find myself relying on my music (I play and sing in a band) to fake an emotIonal depth that is no longer actually there. It’s a form of acting that I often carry over into real life and women usually can’t tell the difference, as they tend to project their own emotional volatility onto men. Long story short – learn how to sing or act and you can definitely fake emotional depth.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 1:39 pm wwarriorr

      You would gain many points with me if u sang something from Ariana Grande 🙂 she also inspired me to learn Japanese again

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 2:19 pm fredmertz

        Paging Captain Obvious.This beautiful thing has been issued a nigga BF!?

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 3:01 pm Arbiter

        wwarriorr … Showing a humorous side is not about looking twelve.

        How reminiscent of an early Britney Spears video, and an obvious attempt to imitate Spears in general. Now with pro-homosexual propaganda, as exemplified in this video (3:24), and by having a Black transvestite dancer in her group, by writing a pro-homo song, by running her mouth the way she is told to do. Ariana Grande-Butera, or more precisely those who produce her, is not something you should be wasting your time on.

        I also have to wonder about those who drool after being seen so much that they constantly have to include irrelevant YouTube videos in their posts. A sign of the times – if only there was a Like function to compete for, eh?

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 3:16 pm wwarriorr

        😉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_FAX8m3nqY

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      • on March 8, 2015 at 12:58 pm King A

        Yes, very Britney, except now it’s the mud-people version. Sign of the times.

        The original white version of Tarts in Space (with apologies to Barbarella):

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 7:19 pm Anonymous

      “It is simply too easy to advocate the unflinching, “cool” image, because then you don’t need to learn any nuances.”

      I wonder if this happens because a beta learns some game, gets a g/f, starts backsliding to his beta ways, loses the g/f, and finally concludes that he simply cannot show ANY weakness, at all, ever (i.e. he conflates weakness/vulnerability game with being beta).

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  4. on March 6, 2015 at 1:10 pm The Seductive Value Of Emotional Range | Neoreactive

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  5. on March 6, 2015 at 1:21 pm Mel Gibson

    The SJWs know no bounds. Remember that “what color is this dress?” crap that got 15 minutes of social media and thus mainstream media fame last week?

    Salvation Army turns it into a domestic violence PSA.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/%E2%80%9Cwhy-is-it-so-hard-to-see-black-and-blue%E2%80%9D-salvation-army-turns-supernumberthedress-into-a-powerful-anti-domestic-violence-message/ar-AA9suJ1?ocid=mailsignout

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 1:28 pm Arbiter

      Maybe we can save these for the political threads. There is no shortage of those.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 1:36 pm Philomathean

        Arbiter the moderator??

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 3:06 pm Arbiter

        Philomathean, don’t use that leftist strawman trick. I write criticism, which people do all the time, and that means I claim to be a moderator? Like saying that criticism is to “judge”, implying that the speaker demands a position of authority. A trick resting on the leftist idea that claiming to be above others is the worst sin, since all are equals.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 5:54 pm King A

        Arbiter’s gonna arbitrate.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 5:57 pm PA

        I agree with Arbiter here. It’s bad form (and I find myself having to resist such a tendency as well on occasion) to go off-topic early in the thread.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 4:45 am Philomathean

        Arb, it was a joke… Lol

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  6. on March 6, 2015 at 1:25 pm askjoe

    or to explain it for the nerds, we’ve seen nerd try to bond with non-nerds through over-clever BS jokes that only in group nerds would get. Consider, instead of an over-intellectual nerd handshake, a over emotional handshake.

    Instead of “hello, m’lday” try something along what H said.

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  7. on March 6, 2015 at 1:25 pm Mel Gibson

    Stoicism and couldn’t-care-less attitudes should be the defacto male state when dealing with a woman’s emotions, but does anyone here purposely incite drama with their g/f or plate just to fuck with her?

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 1:35 pm Philomathean

      No. They’re already full of too much drama, but I do fan the flames.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 2:10 pm JCclimber

      better believe it.
      sometimes I deliberately mess with my carpool rider, who is a typical very post wall widow liberal woman. Pushing her buttons is so easy that it almost isn’t fun. Except it is fun to send drop her off at her house knowing she’ll be in emotional turmoil for hours.

      No, the fun comes when I tell my wife about what I did in a funny and amusing way. My wife gets to experience all the emotional ride in a non-threatening way. It also demonstrates mastery of women’s emotions without amping the dread game too much. I have to really calibrate the dread game because my SMV or MMV is higher than hers, now.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 2:22 pm Sentient

      Yes yes yes. You need to do this far more in a LTR. Tease, prank, make fun of, call out shit, make her do stuff over, etc etc. Keep her laughing, keep her qualifying in equal measures…

      Roller coaster ^_^_^_^_

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 6:59 pm King A

        “Tease, prank, make fun of, call out shit, make her do stuff over” isn’t the same as singing and showing your improv moves like some frustrated off-Broadway understudy.

        You know the embarrassed-but-trying-to-seem-appreciative look people give sudden social performers who make spectacles of themselves? Yeah. There is something off-putting about men importing the theatrical into everyday life. You come off as a fop not in control of himself, much less his environment. It’s like public exhibitionist masturbation. Every actor and singer originates his career in a desperate ploy for attention, a “Hey Look at Me, Triple-Exclamation-Points!!!” syndrome that meshes closely with gay dysfunction.

        There’s a reason those occupations were thought of the equivalent of prostitution up until about 150 years ago. That they are held in highest esteem by our culture says a lot about how degenerate we’ve become. John Wilkes Booth jumping down onto the stage, exclaiming “Sic semper tyrannis!!!” What a queen.

        You pick your spots, sure. This is part of what CH is getting at. But expressiveness is simply gauche. It induces the bad kind of anxiety in observers. It’s overwrought and needy and feminine. Tap dancing and glad-handing your way into a pick-up is counterproductive. Wearing your emotions on your sleeve is like deploying smiley-faces in your text.

        What you gain in dropping the stoicism mask is not worth the loss in self-respect. Because it shouldn’t be a mask. The discipline of the monk, or the Marine, or the martial arts master is a way of being, not just another performance. It is a predatory animal in the shadows before the quick strike. It is the easy detachment punctuated by rare, explosive torrents of activity when the situation calls for it, such as in emergencies. But even then a calm demeanor and dry gallows humor are the order of the day to neutralize the naturally self-generating, female panic atmosphere that needs no added drama.

        The disagreement in approach comes down to a fundamental difference between manliness and this site’s purpose. If the overriding goal is to get the girl at any cost, including sacrificing your dignity, then acting somewhat gay is justified. But for well-adjusted men, dabbling into “somewhat gay” may as well be joining an oily 72-hour chain party on Fire Island. It’s just not going to happen. “Suck ONE dick in college and everyone thinks you’re a fag…”

        Matt

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 6:05 pm The Spirit Within

        Matt, what you’re describing is not a happily married man. What you’re describing is a man who executes his life’s mission with precision and excellence. The two roles are somewhat incompatible.

        It’s like we’re all discussing the color blue, and you’re yammering on about brown.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 6:05 pm KP

      Duh!!!!!

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 6:07 pm KP

        Not maliciously, mind you! (Trust me, I don’t have a malicious bone in my body.) But to keep her off balance, or as Philomathean says “to fan the flames”. Yes, fan them, and enjoy the resulting heat.

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  8. on March 6, 2015 at 1:44 pm llllooooolllzzzzzlllolll

    Youre doing good work sir.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 2:24 pm Sentient

      Indeed. Spectacularly valuable post CH. Almost too much knowledge in one helping.

      Cheers!

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  9. on March 6, 2015 at 1:44 pm Scray

    People confuse being nonreactive with ‘unemotional’ constantly. They think that if a dude comes over and talks mad shit about you or something, you’re supposed to just smirk and that will make it all better. That is because they spend too much time online and not enough time IRL.

    A better way to put is ‘reaction-seeking.’ Do whatever you want, but don’t do it because you need X or Y to react a certain way. That’s why extended shouting matches or extended anything ultimately will DLV you — the only reason you would stick around is because you NEED them to react in some way.

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  10. on March 6, 2015 at 1:47 pm Reservoir Tip

    Sick DM tie-in.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 6:01 pm King A

      I thought Depeche Mode were out-of-the-closet Friends of Dorothy:

      If not, I am sure they are very much in touch with their feeeelings and expressiveness, as suggested supra.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 6:20 pm the latent sadist

        I still love Policy Of Truth, cant get enough of that one

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 6:54 am El Capitan

      Wait, that’s a male?

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  11. on March 6, 2015 at 2:02 pm Anonymous

    “Storytelling succeeds in the details. Your stories don’t need a plot or a point if they are told with loving details that light up her imagination. In practice, this means more references to the senses: textures, colors, aromas, etc.”

    As a writer I can confirm that one. There’s nothing new under the sun; what makes a story interesting is how you tell it. Of course you can overdo details like everything else, but that’s probably less of a danger in person.

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 3:40 pm Philomathean

      A writer who wants his fiction read or produced understands the importance of story structure. Classical story structure, as such, began with Greek tragedy, branched out to comedy and proceed from there to the genres and sub-genres we enjoy today.

      Stories may not need a plot or point within the context of fleeting intersexual tug-of-wars where victory is measured in the dilation of her emotional receptiveness to manufactured stimuli, but within the broader context, story qua story, classical structure is a elemental.

      Sure, a writer or director can find an audience with an art house mini/anti-plot story, but he necessarily limits his audience as he shirks traditional structure. Robert McKee expertly delineates this point in his must read book, Story.

      Admittedly, we suffer movies/books every year with sound structure. I don’t deny the telling is important, what Mckee identifies as Story Talent(the creative conversion of life itself into a higher, more expressive form) as opposed to Literary Talent (the creative conversion of ordinary language into a higher, more expressive form); the former is rare, the latter common.

      The telling of a story in the hands of a man whose mastered classical structure, whose mastered his craft, is a story experience richer for both the reader and writer, and, like sex, a work of fiction has to be good for both partners.

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  12. on March 6, 2015 at 2:06 pm martin

    While I find it all interesting I just don’t know if I can believe this. I am going to try to word this very carefully. Different cultures express things differently and I wouldn’t doubt that this advice works in one culture but maybe not another. For example, Italians tend to be very open about emotions or so goes the stereotype. I think someone who was expressing so much emotion and creating stories with highs and lows would be a very intrusive person to be around and it would be somewhat repelling. I would like to hear thoughts on that. It shouldn’t just be a distinction between nerds and otherwise. Regardless, I do wonder how though it is possible for women to have stunted emotions and yet yearn to have more. It would be hard to yearn for something you can’t comprehend.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 3:10 pm Arbiter

      Only in one of the ten pointers at the end of a long post does CH write “Take her high, take her low”. It is not the basis for the whole message in the post, just one part of it.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 3:11 pm Arbiter

        Twelve pointers. Anyway.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 3:22 pm martin

        Yes, not all of it was about emotion but the facial expressions and implicitly gestures, as well as the story telling, and amplifying happiness and sadness are more what I meant. The part about singing is a bit cloying, no offense meant towards CH. The part about shocking a woman in to attraction sounds interesting enough, now that one I am looking forward to.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 6:15 pm King A

      CH is trying to thread a needle here, but in general you’re right. Only a couple posts back he featured a stoic and laconic correspondent’s weekend of wild success and called it Alpha.

      Singing and making emotional expressions frankly is gay. CH admits as much when he puns, “minimum gaily allowance.” He is a metrosexual who is comfortable rubbing shoulders with that culture. The Rot Goes Deep. I don’t see the purpose of telling an already catastrophically effete generation to be effeter.

      I was going to say this was one of his better posts in a long while — at least with regard to his extreme/steady Theory of Emotional Sexual Difference. Plenty to chew on there. But then he inexplicably ends his piece by encouraging men (who need no encouragement today!) to act like her gay roommate.

      If the new world order is advising you to do things your grandfather wouldn’t be caught dead doing, be wary.

      Matt

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 6:30 pm the latent sadist

        I feel what you’re saying King. However, I don’t see CH’s advice as suggesting to revert into a homo. I think he takes an artistic view of the courtship process, and is emphasizing triggering her feelings. I think he’s right on about the dangers of being monotone. If being campy and borderline gay were enough to turn off women, Russell Brands lay count probably wouldn’t be in the stratosphere. He’s expert and making women feel things. However, your criticism may be less about the efficiency of such a strategy, and more about how effete this generation is becoming. My opinion is that our culture isn’t becoming particularly more feminine…just less masculine. Alotta dudes have enough self awareness to not act like a fag, and despite PC culture, no straight man wants to be thought of as gay. However there are plenty of fashionless, glued to their phone, epic bearded, ray ban wearing fags who hardly pass for men. Christ you shoulda seen some of the guys as a got lunch at this food truck the other day. Manginas galore. So I agree with you there.

        I’m certain older generations of men had dancing monkeys, attracting women with bufoonery.

        Who can really make objective claims about something as nebulous as women? If it works, it works. If it destroys society…welll…im no expert.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 7:04 pm Philomathean

        Mr. King, you said one time that getting banned from this place would be the biggest feather in your cap. I know you’re not a “yes man”, but you’re borderline disrespecting the host with the metrosex dig. You provide top shelf knowledge, and this site is the only place I know of where you post. So show some respect.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 7:25 pm King A

        Like I said, the first part of the post is excellent. But the advice in the second part does not follow.

        I think he takes an artistic view of the courtship process, and is emphasizing triggering her feelings.

        You trigger her feelings by providing the contrast she not just desperately wants but essentially needs to be a proper woman. You are the rock on which her lurching biological crimson tide continually breaks until she becomes placid waters deep with appreciation. She hates being emotionally incontinent just as much as men do, but even this she has trouble expressing without getting emotional.

        Listen! you hear the grating roar
        Of pebbles which the waves draw back, and fling,
        At their return, up the high strand,
        Begin, and cease, and then again begin,
        With tremulous cadence slow, and bring
        The eternal note of sadness in.

        If being campy and borderline gay were enough to turn off women, Russell Brand’s lay count probably wouldn’t be in the stratosphere.

        It’s not about turning off women. It’s about turning off yourself. You are selling your manhood cheap. For all the slores he’s sampled, would you want to be Russell Brand? I hope not. Internalizing metrosexuality is a wholly unnecessary disfigurement no man should bring upon himself, unnecessary because there is no contradiction between keeping your manhood and attracting women. Bearded but epicene Millennials reach for the sympathy ploy rather than contrast because manliness is unavailable to them as a means to the same end.

        I’m certain older generations of men had dancing monkeys, attracting women with buffoonery.

        Right you are. The difference is, today we idolize the buffoons and make them rich, whereas Old Granddad would have ripped a faggot’s face off. Srsly, Russell Brand wrote an earnest book about socialist revolution last year and fancies himself a political augur. It’s the same animating deviancy all the way down.

        Alotta dudes have enough self awareness to not act like a fag, and despite PC culture, no straight man wants to be thought of as gay. However there are plenty of fashionless, glued to their phone, epic bearded, ray ban wearing fags who hardly pass for men.

        It’s all connected, brother. Exploring that connection is what makes this site unique, shrieking game dweebs and dark enlightenment MGTOW dorks notwithstanding.

        Matt

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 8:47 pm Arbiter

        Singing and making emotional expressions frankly is gay. CH admits as much when he puns, “minimum gaily allowance.” He is a metrosexual who is comfortable rubbing shoulders with that culture. The Rot Goes Deep.

        So CH is a metrosexual?. Ha. Ha. Ha. That is too funny.

        But then he inexplicably ends his piece by encouraging men (who need no encouragement today!) to act like her gay roommate.

        You write the same thing upthread too. That stoicism – not moving your face lest you be caught showing emotions – should be not just a “mask” but the way of life. Much like the oh-so-superior monks and … marines. (Have to laugh again, considering how the U.S. occupiers have behaved in Iraq and Afghanistan. Killing for fun while jacked up on drugs. Sitting in bars buying blowjobs from nine-year-old girls whose families lost everything they had because of the invaders bombing the infrastructure, bombing apartment buildings in Baghdad as a form of terrorism, and turning loose chaos. Then coming home and going to church dressed in uniforms – blasphemy right there – so that they can soak up praise from the sheep who don’t know jack shit about what they have been doing and how they act. But it’s all about what’s shown on The Teevee, I guess.)

        Not a single guy I have seen be successful in the field has acted with that “stoicism” that forbids being loud and fun and using hand gestures and generally showing, you know, that you aren’t an asocial beta following a script you think makes you look superior. Not a single one – because normal people know that laughing and showing that you’re having a good time with the group is not “gay”, not “metrosexual” and not weakness. The toughest guys will laugh and smile and joke and even goof around, and they lose nothing from that, because they do it in the right way and at the right time, because they have social savvy. You show strength not by being uptight but in other ways.

        “Stoicism” needs another name. Uptight. Funny how so many don’t know how normal people with social lives act, and declare what is “gay” and what isn’t.

        It’s like one manosphere blogger wrote – he met a guy who had been writing online about how some pickup ways must be discarded because they didn’t fit into his theory of what was the masculine way. In real life he turned out to be an antisocial nerd who ignored the girls who entered the coffee shop – ignored the blogger’s suggestion that they go talk to the girls, showed little emotion, just rambled on about his theory about what pickup must be in order to be masculine. Classic keyboard jockey.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 9:28 pm Philomathean

        I left a comment for you Matt but it’s tripped up in moderation. In sum you shouldn’t be disrespectful to the host. You have great insight and a lot of hard fought knowledge to share that benefits a lot of us. This place is poorer in your absence. Stop antagonizing the host. You can disagree respectfully.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 9:29 pm Scray

        Funny how so many don’t know how normal people with social lives act, and declare what is “gay” and what isn’t.

        Dead on.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 5:38 pm the latent sadist

        I always love your logic man, you’re my favorite commenter. Im being sincere. And as much as you’d hate it, I love YaReally too. haha.

        I hear you loud and clear. I came back to read this after being very disillusioned with Roosh Douche V after being banned from his forum within FIVE FUCKING posts. The faggot moderator Tuthmosis. Look up his real identity man, there is a sterling example of why everyone should question the validity of the person behind the screen. No way this guy is banging good looking girls. Not a chance. And fuck Roosh too i told him off in an email, I’m burning his fucking books. Do you have a blog King?

        Anyhow. I say that reading your reply is timely: Regarding the russell brand thing. Yeah to be honest, that guy really seems to be a soulless shell. And despite his success with women, I’ve honestly never seen him with a hot girl. Katy Perry was a joke, she’s really nothing special. And as far as his libtard politics, I am with you 100%. Still, there is no denying his charisma. He is god damn entertaining, and honestly I do enjoy his disruption of every environment he comes into. A wit like that, you gotta respect.

        As far as the gayness goes..I suppose that ship has sailed. I’ll tell you though, I enjoy the contrast. It couldn’t be easier to be regarded as masculine today, and set yourself apart. Of course, as the bar has been set lower for baseline masculinity, it is also somewhat dangerous to be assertive as a normal man today. Simply because of the contrast between a non-PC man and the manginas.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 5:42 pm the latent sadist

        btw I don’t give a shit about you disagreeing with our humble host. I fuckin love CH but men should be able to openly disagree and not be fucking babies. Look at me, I am the ultimate devils advocate. I can see truth in any side. I sincerely doubt CH gives a fuck about whether you throw a mild, good natured taunt at him. thats my guess. he doesn’t censor much. Your dissent has generated good discussion. I don’t understand what the fuck is wrong with some people these days, getting up in arms over disagreeing. Debate is healthy.

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      • on March 8, 2015 at 5:39 am YaReally

        lol…men telling other men they aren’t manly enough to be men, as if a man should give a fuck about anyone else’s definition of being a man besides his own. Can’t force yourself into a position of authority sorry, you gotta’ EARN being the King to have men seek your approval. This isn’t some female high-school clique where you can shame the other girls into seeking your approval.

        Anyway:

        Here’s Julien using his “tell your BF I’m your gay friend” routine to grab her number in front of him:

        Here’s general in-field of him:

        Here’s their most FLAMINGLY SUPER GAY instructor in-field, half the girls he makes out with sober in the daytime most guys would be too scared to even approach lol (taller than him, skinny, done up, sexy and leggy…he’s in EE too, where those girls are all mythical unicorns according to some forums…but then those forums also predicted RSD was going to be out of business 2 months after the Julien scandal and shit all over me pointing out their hatred was blinding them to common sense, still waiting for an apology guise, but not holding my breath I don’t expect SJWs/Feminists to admit when they’re wrong either lol):

        So am I posting these vids because the optimal way to game is to be flamingly metrosexual? No.

        Here’s the opposite style of game, this guy is naturally laconic and extremely low-energy (also in EE like the flamingly gay RSD guy):

        All women want is a man who’s not stifled and isn’t afraid to express himself because he’s listening to some idiot on the net who told him “bro, would your GRANDPA smile??? No he wouldn’t even be TALKING to a girl, he’d be chopping down a tree and facing down a tank in a WAR!!!!!” All that’s doing is taking the guys who are trying to learn game and aren’t naturally James Bond and trying to force them into the James Bond mold.

        Girls just want you to express yourself fully and congruently, and to experience a wide range of emotions around you. If you’re a Russell Brand type, embrace it and express it. If you’re a James bond, embrace it and express it. Don’t listen to some internet jockey telling you what a “real man” should look like lol Define that for yourself…how “manly” is it to try to supplicate to some guy on the net about how you should act and be all “is this being a real man?? Am I doing it right? Please approve of me!!” Fuck that, YOU get to decide what being a man is and work on living up to that definition.

        Now for some actual useful game shit: in terms of the environment, being all James Bond is fine in social circle game (which is how most guys get laid, esp the James Bond types) because the girl is forced to be around you and eventually over time will see you congruently express yourself in those laconic James Bond ways. It doesn’t give you an amazing advantage, but if you pair it up with solid verbal game understanding how to qualify them and push them through emotions etc., some solid laser eye contact etc., it won’t disadvantage you.

        But if you want to pull hotties out of a high energy venues instead of your 6/10 co-worker at the office xmas party, or your 7/10 ex-gf of your buddy who’s in your social circle, etc. like situations where you have to proactively get and hold their attention competing against distractions with smokin hot girls etc., being a laconic James Bond is going to handicap you because the environment is overwhelmingly more interesting than you are. Once you get INTO a set, and if you don’t have interruptions, then you’re fine because you’re getting the opportunity to congruently express your James Bond self to her…it’s just a lot harder to overcome the environment esp if you haven’t studied group theory and don’t know how to isolate a girl to get that opportunity.

        So if you’re naturally a James Bond, social circle game and very low key venues and daygame are probably the easiest lays for you. If you’re naturally more of a Russell Brand, you’ll probably do fine in high-energy environments, nightclubs, and ALSO in social circle and daygame like James Bond. So it’s a bit more versatile in terms of actual pickup because Russel expresses who he is just by walking into the room whereas James Bond needs to carve out a camera close-up for his killer one-liner.

        The test for whether you’re actually a laconic stoic James Bond is: when you’re around your very close buddies or family, like playing x-box or camping etc., are you still captain one-word laconic replies with a non-smiling non-expressive face or do you talk and laugh and joke around? Were you a quiet one-word reply kid when you were in pre-school? If it’s the former, then ya you’re naturally a James Bond. If it’s the latter, which is MOST guys who hide behind labelling themselves laconic introverts, then you’re not ACTUALLY laconic, you’ve just demonstrated that you simply need to be comfortable in your environment to fully express yourself…when you’re around new people, strangers, in a club, etc. and you clam up that’s not you proving you’re laconic, that’s you being uncomfortable expressing yourself (usually from a lifetime of social conditioning telling you to NOT to express yourself) and letting the environment and potential social judgement/pressure stifle you.

        Around girls you should be exactly like you are around your close buddies and family, whether that looks like James Bond or Russell Brand or somewhere in-between.

        Here’s laconic low-energy game handling a crazy high-energy party girl set in Vegas:

        …wait wut?? YaReally, didn’t you just say the low-energy guy can’t get these high-energy clubbing girls?? No, I said it’s harder for the low-energy James Bond guys to get the opportunity to express themselves to the girl. In this video he’s able to carve himself out enough time for her to see him congruently express himself because he understands group dynamics and knows how to handle her friends interrupting and isn’t competing against loud music and other guys etc. So she gets to see his James Bond energy. In a high-energy nightclub he would mostly be invisible to girls because he’d be leaning against a bar sipping a drink brooding lol But if he pro-actively opened girls and could carve out a chance to keep their attention long enough, his game would work fine.

        If you want your choice of the hottest women, just be congruent, fully express yourself, and be pro-active, HOWEVER that looks….cause only women care about whether other people approve of them. 😛

        Also here’s a good vid by James about openly and honestly juggling multiple relationships. Dude is full of solid wisdom, highly recommend all his vids in general to see the opposite side of the RSD high-energy stuff and to learn a lot about being comfortable being sexual and expressing sexual intent which is a prob a lot of guys have (cause of social conditioning shaming them for it):

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      • on March 8, 2015 at 1:31 pm King A

        Mr. King, you said one time that getting banned from this place would be the biggest feather in your cap. I know you’re not a “yes man”, but you’re borderline disrespecting the host with the metrosex dig.

        I appreciate your concern, but respect doesn’t convey that way. One of the worst elements of his commenting followers is their fear of challenging the “dark lord” or the obsequious ways they try to outdo one another in agreement with his latest posting, whatever the quality. That doesn’t convey respect; it conveys lickspittle sycophancy, which generates contempt or even pity. And the conversation is worse for it. If I didn’t agree in principle with the underlying presumptions here, I wouldn’t make it a point to criticize flaws, weaknesses, and errors. For instance, I don’t visit or comment at Jezebel.com.

        Besides, CH has practically admitted to his metrosexual leanings (which is not an accusation of his delight in male sodomy). One of his posts some time back even suggested you fake being gay to slip in under a girl’s defenses. It’s not a “dig,” it’s a description.

        One of the missing factors I’ve harped on from the beginning here is the tendency for extreme thinkers to extremely compartmentalize and become paranoid. They cannot fathom temporary alliances with people who have an ultimate goal different than theirs, despite the proximate agreement in the here and now. As much as it makes me ill, I don’t begrudge CH for his nihilism, nor his fan club’s toadyism. This place lacks the instinct for alliance, even if it must be of convenience. Our enemies are much larger and more influential than all of us combined. But here we concentrate on “the vanity of small differences” and purity tests over trivia, like a cult, rather than focusing on the large ideas that bring us together.

        CH is one of the few places that doesn’t ban provocateurs — so long as they provide value (“top shelf knowledge”), even when that value challenges them to defend their generally accepted dogma. The places that can’t deal with me have big-fish-in-a-small-pond ego problems, and unlike CH, they have no idea how to deal with people who disagree, even with unreciprocated, self-disrespecting apologies and capitulations to vanity like “With all due respect…” I don’t want to be a part of an ethos where “antagonism” is a dirty word, unless personality disorders and zealous dogmatism are behind provocation — as they certainly are with some regulars. Don’t confuse me for them.

        Matt

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      • on March 8, 2015 at 1:56 pm King A

        Much like the oh-so-superior monks and … marines. (Have to laugh again, considering how the U.S. occupiers have behaved in Iraq and Afghanistan. …)

        You fruit. See the latest “Comment of the Week” to get your Lord and Master’s take on your leftist hatred of, as he puts it, the “honorable” military culture.

        Not a single guy I have seen be successful in the field has acted with that “stoicism” that forbids being loud and fun and using hand gestures and generally showing, you know, that you aren’t an asocial beta following a script you think makes you look superior. Not a single one – because normal people know that laughing and showing that you’re having a good time…

        Hey, Orbiter. How about instead of straw-paraphrasing me, you rather offer direct quotes.

        Having a stoic approach to the vicissitudes of life does not preclude a person from being “social” or “having a good time.” What kind of impoverished imagination (or personal experience?) must you have to associate a steady inner-life with dour introverts with no skill in human interaction? Take up your malicious hair-splitting with Kipling.

        If you can keep your head when all about you
        Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
        If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
        But make allowance for their doubting too. …

        If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
        And treat those two impostors just the same …
        Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it …

        The essence here, and the point of CH’s post — which you willfully missed — is control. Keep your head. Pick your spots, as I put it above. Belting out a show-tune because an emotion struck you displays the opposite of being in command of yourself. And some social displays, what I call “gay” for shorthand, intrinsically convey a man to be not in control of his emotions (or what you game jargoneers call “state”).

        All that aside, the danger of encouraging this generation to thread so fine a needle is that they lose the muscles that govern emotional continence altogether. This is not the time nor the culture to encourage burgeoning pajama boys to get exhibitionist with their feelings.

        Matt

        P.S. Pay special attention to these lines, apparently written with whiny little bitchboys like you in mind:

        If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
        Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools …

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      • on March 8, 2015 at 2:15 pm King A

        I always love your logic man, you’re my favorite commenter. Im being sincere. And as much as you’d hate it, I love YaReally too. haha.

        I know you’re kidding but the more serious dogmatists, who camp here like the Occupy Wall Street movement, don’t. The Ann Landers of the Manosphere has his function, and it is an honorable one. He just too jealously guards his little fiefdom and becomes tempted to overstep his expertise whenever he’s criticized.

        Still, there is no denying [Russell Brand’s] charisma. He is god damn entertaining, and honestly I do enjoy his disruption of every environment he comes into. A wit like that, you gotta respect.

        In the end, Brand is harmless. He’s a funny guy with a well-crafted persona. If there’s something to respect, it’s his discipline in maintaining that entertaining figure. But like I said, these types don’t know where to stop. Take atheist ape experts, who think that because they know one thing, they know everything. They apply their successful knowledge strategy in one area to places where their skills don’t apply. That’s where Brand goes off the rails. Because he can insult skirts and make them laugh, he thinks he can insult the political philosophy of millennia and get the same successful results. But it was in fact a failure of discipline that sent him away from his well-crafted shtick and into depths well over his head.

        As far as the gayness goes..I suppose that ship has sailed. I’ll tell you though, I enjoy the contrast. It couldn’t be easier to be regarded as masculine today, and set yourself apart.Exactly! So isn’t this the advice we should be giving the sad sorry men of this generation? Rather than “be a little emotional like your peers, but not too much, but also don’t go overboard the other way”?

        The audience has a hearing impairment. We must instruct them in bold tones, not subtle whispers that yield wide interpretation.

        Matt

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 8:41 pm walawala

      @Martin Expressing emotions is a healthy thing….being emotional is weak. Women are emotional. Men can tap into their emotions to display a human side which if done in a genuine way display the appropriate alpha vulnerability which taps into a woman’s need for a connection.

      That’s why the push-pull is so strong…be there…push a woman’s buttons to guide her into expressing the range of emotions…then back off. Be mysterious.

      This is one reason why the “Soft next” works so well….

      I have an ex ex gf. I dumped her years ago but remained good friends. We push each others’ buttons. When I’m too available for whatever reason, she gets turned off.

      When I disappear and don’t contact her…suddenly she’ll ping me out of the blue. It’s usually related to some emotional crisis in her life where she just wants contact…a reminder I’m there but not too available.

      This is the secret and it takes trial and error to understand. It’s not about being a clown, or a Van Gogh moody artist. It’s about understanding your own emotions and triggers. When you are the master of your own emotions, you’ll project a greater confidence which then triggers attraction in the woman you’re gaming.

      For newbies, the issue isn’t about expressing emotion it’s about being more in control of their own dread and fear of losing.

      This is the essence of the Blue Pill—the idea that there’s “the one” and if you “blow it” with a girl you’ve lost your one chance at happiness.

      Understanding that there is no “one” and being confident enough to walk away signals to those around you that you are you’re own man.

      If you look at game like this…there are no “mistakes” just learnings. Many posts have been written about “How do you not give a shit?” By having options and being confident that your best days are ahead.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 9:58 am martin

        I am not really sure what to think. We both agree being emotional is weak. My own perspective is that emotion is a lot like a gesture, which has varying meanings depending on where you are like the two finger salute/peace sign or displaying the bottom of your foot. So displaying it in once place might help with women, and in another it might harm. That was my thought, I am more accustomed to a reserved manner of expression so saying that displays of emotion were necessary or that not displaying emotion is nerdy made me pause. Now that I have read some people’s thoughts including yours I am not sure what to think. I have some lingering doubts about emotions though, not so much because of masculinity but more because they almost seem like pure selfishness to me or that they represent some threat I can’t really explain. Of course I don’t mean people should be drones though just more selective about it.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 9:24 pm Scray

      The confusion stems from the concept of outcome independence. People take that and believe it means they can care about nothing, express nothing, etc. like a bunch of asocial sperglords.

      When you have an outburst or get pissed off, do it for yourself and not because you want X or Y to react in a certain way. Only do it if you WILL REGRET not doing it.

      Sometimes that means saying ‘fuck you asshole’ or ‘eat a dick,’ and sometimes it means saying nothing. Where are your boundaries? Enforce them. That’s it. There’s a definite difference between a guy who’s just following his law and a guy who’s just trying to figure out how to follow everyone else’s.

      Once you let the boundary be known, the only next step is to remove yourself from people who you can’t outright overcome. Make good on your rules and don’t bluff.

      Your emotions must mean something.

      Gay men and women have emotional fits all the time that mean nothing.

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  13. on March 6, 2015 at 2:11 pm Anonymous

    “Men using smiley in dating-site message decrease response rate by 66%.”

    What if I use >:-), as in:

    What are your hobbies? Kicking puppies >:-)

    “Ten minutes browsing a mainstream relationship forum like http://girlsaskguys.com shows why the manosphere is needed.”

    As we used to say on FC, women could learn more in 5 minutes there than in 50 years on a chick forum.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 3:19 pm Arbiter

      People in that forum, even if they somewhat hold the same opinions as you, are so foolish you want to slap them around and then tie them down for a couple of days of reschooling. People simply don’t know the basics – about what beauty is and why we desire it, for example, why men and women are different in various ways, why there is such a thing as marriage. If you could have just a few pages of basic facts about evolutionary psychology taught in school to all kids, it would change so much.

      However, I have occasionally browsed through that mostly-teen forum and some more mature relationship forums to make sure I don’t read only the manosphere take on the issues. You learn even from reading opinions you know to be uninformed. You learn what angle other people approach the issues from, and that gives you perspective.

      You are also reminded that those who are not aware of the truth are not entirely bad or the same, you see how mixed the soup is. So I recommend it once in a while.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 4:03 pm Greg Eliot

      “Men using smiley in dating-site message decrease response rate by 66%.”

      What’s the over/under on men using:

      8=======D ~ ~ ~ ~

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  14. on March 6, 2015 at 2:12 pm XPUA

    “To nerds: Your best option for self-improvement will be observing men who are good at emotional expression in the field.”

    Any youtube links to good role models of such expressiveness infield?

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 3:40 pm cheesetrader

      Anything with Brad Pitt or George Clooney – those dudes both talk very loudly with their expressions and physical stance

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  15. on March 6, 2015 at 2:19 pm JCclimber

    I recall something I read in the 90’s from Women Venus, Men Mars. Women give points in marriage, but unlike men who give 1 point, 5 points, 30 points, etc depending on how big the thing was that she did, women only give 1 point.

    Bought her a new car? 1 point.
    Remembered to put your dirty clothes in the laundry hamper? 1 point
    Vacation to Hawaii? 1 point.
    Fixed the annoying sound in the car that took 2 minutes? 1 point.

    I think this is related to the above need for frequent emotional porn feedback. She needs it, frequently, and if she isn’t getting it, she’ll make it.

    The women at the office who have a strong, alpha masculine husband who gives her good sex, won’t be the ones stirring up vicious office politics and drama.

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  16. on March 6, 2015 at 2:30 pm heyjay

    “If you feel […] angered during the time you’re talking with a girl, express those emotions a degree more fiercely than you would in an office setting.”

    Personally I would try not to be angry, but then I just returned from the gym, being angry of course and it really made for a good workout session. Didn’t get me very far with the female staff though.

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  17. on March 6, 2015 at 2:48 pm Lichthof

    Aside- does anyone ever try seeking arrangement or other sugar daddy sites?
    Supposedly sugar babies outnumber daddies 8:1. There just seems something more honest about this form of interaction and also interesting to see what value the girls judge themselves at. Even supposedly attractive white blonde girls “have a price” – no doubt justifying their actions to themselves – eg helps me with debt .

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 1:46 am Culum Struan

      @Lichthof – yes, quite a bit of experience with sugar daddy stuff.

      I like it, but it has its own set of tradeoffs. I could write loads on this, but in short:

      Advantages:

      -Genuinely hot girls (rare to see anyone below a 7, and 8s and 9s are relatively common – the less attractive “pansexual transqueer World of Warcraft champ” types you see on OKCupid are nonexistent)

      -Great if you’re older – by definition, even the younger girls on these sites want older men.

      -As noted the ratio is heavily in the guys’ favour so it is much much easier to get replies and you will get loads of girls opening you even without picture etc, and is relatively easy to setup dates etc

      Disadvantages:

      -The biggest disadvantage is the need to screen out the outright gold diggers and hookers (unless you *want* that, which is fine, but really there are easier places to get hookers than to pretend you actually want to date them). Basically you tend to get the outright golddiggers (and a few hookers) who make it pretty obvious on their profiles or ask about money in the first couple of messages (and can be screened out) and then you have quite a lot of women who just want to date a successful guy and/or want to be shown a side of life that they can’t see in their mundane boring lives as a waitress or whatever. This is your main target market (some guys also date the outright golddiggers and essentially try to bang them for free by stringing them along about potential payment later but I find that too much of a hassle, not to mention risking regret-rape allegations etc). Note that a disproportionate number of the 9s tend to be gold-diggers, although not all.

      -Flakes – These are still women and still need to be gamed and still have a tendency to flake (although not as much as regular dating sites because your value is higher by default – you are the scarce commodity). So you need to game them like any other girl.

      -Your image – This is not an issue for me personally, but if you’re on a site as a sugar daddy, you need to be able to pull off the image of the successful older guy, or it won’t work – the congruence failure will destroy your chances. You don’t actually need to be a multimillionaire, but you need to be over about 30 at a minimum (33-39 is probably the sweet spot if you want the 18-19 year olds, otherwise 40s is absolutely file) and generally be able to present as a successful upper/upper middle class man comfortable in high end environments and with a lot of life experience.

      -Once you have them on a date with you it is much easier. Esp if your logistics are sound (like you’re staying in a hotel and have them come to your hotel bar or similar). I’m guilty of not escalating hard enough in this myself, but the optimum play is simply to assume the sale and try to fuck that very night. All subject to general game and texting principles about sexualizing etc.

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 1:50 am Culum Struan

      @Lichthof – longer reply in mod, but just wanted to add one point to it: even more than “regular” game, you have to amp up the “I’m the prize” mentality and dominance – you are very much the successful older guy and she’s the silly girl who you’re allowing to enter your frame (read some of the girls’ profiles – you will be amazed how many of the hot younger girls try to qualify themselves because of this frame).

      This kind of site actually sets the frame solidly in favour of a (non-beta) successful mature guy. But if you can’t hold that frame, the incongruence is even more telling.

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 4:12 am Karl

      >>> ever try seeking arrangement or other sugar daddy sites?

      Based on my small sampling…. the goods are overpriced. Now let us form the ratio: minutes-inside-sugarbaby’s-vagina-per-month/dollars-per-month (inclusive of ALL costs)

      You get a higher number by going abroad.

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  18. on March 6, 2015 at 2:50 pm ParisJazz

    Hyperbolic brow furrows, full vocal range, hand gesture.. If that is not metrosexual, I don’t know what it is.

    The advice in the article is possibly appropriate for some but it certainly not universal.

    In a suit & tie, one would look like a fidgeting clown applying the above advice.

    I go for the oak frame, never let me down. The only facial expression my company would get during the entire date is a couple of faint patronising smiles acknowledging something funny she might have mentioned.

    Also, as a man, going through your entire life having not established an implicit position of social power(wealth, rank, career, politics etc) and relying solely on facial mimcry to bed women, is pretty sad.

    [CH: i’m surprised i have to say this, since it was strongly implied in the post, if not outright stated, that being more expressive and striving for more emotional connection with women doesn’t mean acting like a histrionic clown all the time to the exclusion of any other emotional state. the word of the day is BALANCE.

    ps expressiveness has nothing to do with metrosexuality. i don’t know how you’re making that comparison, unless the point was to just grasp whatever slander popped in your head to strike a blow against… what? the playerarchy?]

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 3:23 pm Arbiter

      Hyperbolic brow furrows, full vocal range, hand gesture.. If that is not metrosexual, I don’t know what it is.

      Depends entirely on what meaning you put in the words. Which depends on what pre-determined attitude you have when you read it.

      I go for the oak frame, never let me down. The only facial expression my company would get during the entire date is a couple of faint patronising smiles

      I think this blog post is for you.

      “and relying solely on facial mimcry to bed women, is pretty sad”

      Okay. Where, in CH’s vast writings, do you find a single sentence that says people should rely solely on facial mimicry to bed women?

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 4:00 pm ParisJazz

        Facial expression, gestures, explicit emotion display and the entire list in the article are typical female traits, not a single one of them is masculin. Hence, metrosxual.

        Now CH is as metrosexual as they come, no news there.

        To explicitly answer your question, I do not have a negative opinion of metrosexuality, nor am I a fan of. It was all the rage in the late 90s early 2000, I believe people moved on since.

        My point is that this uber metrosexuality isn’t everyone’s cup of tea and it is not a necessary condition to get laid. A lot of men game successfully without resorting to a nauseating display of emotions.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 6:20 pm King A

        Ease up on the reflexive toadying already, Orbiter.

        “Where, in CH’s vast [commentary], do you find a single sentence” of your criticizing the author’s party line? You are stuck on Agree & Amplify mode like a groupie, and it doesn’t do much for your independent credibility.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 9:02 pm Arbiter

        Now CH is as metrosexual as they come, no news there.

        CH is a conservative and nationalist who has always encouraged men to shape up. If you think he’s metrosexual, that’s about misreading what he suggests.

        Gestures with your hands is not metrosexual. Ever been to France, Spain, Italy? I see people use their hands to express themselves every day, and it’s not feminine the way they do it. It’s like saying handwriting is feminine because there’s feminine handwriting. It’s all about how you write.

        Same goes with the other things in the list. It’s all about how and when. I am always surprised by the dogmatic definitions of game people have. There is enormous room for nuance and exceptions and ignoring rules, if you know when and how. EVERY SINGLE ONE of the big bloggers I have read have rightly noted that the rules are more like guidelines. Some guidelines should be followed more strictly than others, but there are still always exceptions. If you know how and when.

        Look at a Tyler video. He uses his hands, he uses facial expressions, different tones of voice. Never sticks to a “let’s be stiff and tough as nails” method. And the guy has proven, with video, over and over again, that he does get the women. That he does succeed.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 1:04 am ParisJazz

        I expect a manly nationalist to have a sense of purpose beyond carnal pleasures. CH is a self-proclaimed hedonist whose single purpose in life is maximising notch count. And long may it last for his insights in the matter are legend.

        He doesn’t urge men to shape up, rather to learn game. That is entirely different.

        We’re splitting hairs at this stage and further nuancing is futile.

        The article is literally titled “Emotional Rage”. My contention is that this has to be heavily contextualised for it is neither necessary, nor is it everybody’s (in the manosphere) cup of tea.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 5:37 am PA

        — metrosexual

        Sophistication and rakishness are the same as faux-hipster dog-walking (aka metrosexuality).

        — CH is a self-proclaimed hedonist whose single purpose in life is maximising notch count.

        … who, rumor has it, in his spare time runs some little blog nobody’s ever heard of, where revolutionary ideas involving the nexus of sociosexual dynamics and fate of nations are advanced.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 5:39 am PA

        Sophistication and rakishness are NOT the same as…

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 3:37 pm Sentient

      Never mind Arb. What guys like this don’t get is the contrast. So if you are a suit and tie James binder how much more attraction can you develop when you break your mold and engage? Not worth considering huh?

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 4:10 pm Greg Eliot

        Sometimes it doesn’t take much… and I have to laugh at how it doesn’t take much to get the hamster wheelin’…

        A simple thing like abruptly changing what you normally would order, once the waitress shows up, (even though you mentioned to your lady that you’d be getting the usual a little while before) gets an animated “I thought you said you were going to get the… !”

        And if you really want to get the hamster spinning, smirk at the waitress and say something along the lines of “I suddenly felt like a change”.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 4:24 pm ParisJazz

        More ways than one to skin a cat. I am not going to get drawn into a Byzantine discussion about what is the best PU approach, to each his own.

        Oak frame works very well, you can achieve contrast by escalating in an assertive manner (cf movies of old) as opposed to the “playful, push-pull”.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 6:10 pm Sentient

        Careful Greg, starting to look like game there.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 9:05 pm Arbiter

        More ways than one to skin a cat.

        Good to hear you say that, ParisJazz. That’s something a lot of people don’t see.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 2:25 am Greg Eliot

        Careful Greg, starting to look like game there.

        I am, if nothing else, a multifaceted individual.

        Wha, you think it doesn’t take effort to still be enjoyably married for over 20 years?

        Got to keep the old girl on her toes, amirite?

        lzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzl

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 3:40 pm Sentient

      Also – do you work at Goldman Sachs? 90 percent of guys (wealth rank career politics. He’ll through in education as well) like this marry 6s and are ground to meal.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 5:42 pm Scray

      I go for the oak frame, never let me down

      Probably because you limit your options to the ‘sure things.’ I guarantee that if all you’re doing is being an ‘oak’ caricature, the only girls you’re getting are the ones who would have been into you regardless.

      Oak frame works very well, you can achieve contrast by escalating in an assertive manner (cf movies of old) as opposed to the “playful, push-pull”

      And you refer us to old movies. K. Having an ‘oak’ frame != non-emotional. Because you like movies, think of characters that are traditionally viewed as alpha — Ari Gold from Entourage. Is he James Bond? Fuck no. He gets pissed, yells at people, throws tantrums, etc….but at the same time, would I characterize him as having a super strong frame? Absolutely.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 9:02 pm Hammer of Love

        Holy shit ! ARI GOLD ? A yid business card if I ever saw one.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 9:08 pm Arbiter

        We use James Bond a lot as an example of the successful expressionless type here. James Bond is used a lot in the manosphere as an example of the successful expressionless type. It’s telling that he is the only example.

        And it is in fact only Sean Connery the example comes from. Not Roger Moore, for example. So it isn’t even the entire James Bond character.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 6:15 pm Lara

      ParisJazz has some valid points, a lot of women liked quiet, more subdued men. Where I disagree with him, is saying he would give his date a patronising smile. Men who act like they are so above everything are not fun.

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  19. on March 6, 2015 at 3:14 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    Respek for Depeche Mode lyrics.

    Strong-and-silent stoicism interspersed with moments of clowning around, teasing, and alcohol-induced stunts.

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  20. on March 6, 2015 at 3:42 pm cheesetrader

    Needs to be a little anger there too – a woman absolutely needs to feel the “power” of a man – call it dread expression if you will. Let’s her know you’re in charge and that. there.are.limits.

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  21. on March 6, 2015 at 4:00 pm eric

    The facial expressions are sometimes hard to do if you’re not used to doing many, but good post

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  22. on March 6, 2015 at 4:20 pm Holden Caulfield

    Gender wage gap lies decisively refuted by economists yet continually spouted by unethical LibDems and shrieking illogical feminists:

    http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf

    How long before they all get silenced on this non-issue?

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 7:25 pm Anonymous

      Liberalism is a mental illness and thus impervious to facts and logic. The pay gap and 1 in 5 rape statistic and white racism are the mental bedrock of these fruitbats now.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 9:15 pm Arbiter

        And melting ice caps. Back in the 1980s they wrote it would happen in the early 2000s, so any day now. (Before that it was global cooling. Smoke from the factories would cover the world, block out the sun and cause the polar ice to grow until not even nuclear bombs could stop it. That was taught at the universities. Also, acid rain. All the birds dying from egg shells being too weak. End of uranium. The imminent end of minerals. The imminent end of oil. Look at a cross section of the earth though, and you see that we have only – literally – scratched the surface. But no matter – I heard the 2004 tsunami was caused by climate change, so the waves will do us in before the other factors become a problem, I guess.)

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 6:18 pm The Spirit Within

        Arbiter, your plumbers’ crack of ignorance is showing. How embarrassing.

        The ice caps are about 2-3 years away from melting every summer. The military forces of pretty much every major nation are jockeying to try to adjust to newly open shipping lanes across the North Pole, and the enormous possibility of drilling for gas/oil in previously inaccessible places.

        At the very least read this article: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-pentagon-climate-change-how-climate-deniers-put-national-security-at-risk-20150212

        Full disclaimer: I know that Rolling Stone disgraced itself with the rapey-rape-rape UVA article. But this is different. It’s an eye-opening article, and really well researched.

        tl;dr: The Pentagon knows full and hell well what’s happening with climate change, and is trying to prepare, but it’s rearguard head-in-sand conservatives like Arbiter who are preventing those steps from being taken.

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 2:33 am heyjay

      Remember, the issue is never the issue

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  23. on March 6, 2015 at 4:22 pm kiddyfiddler

    There must be multiple writers contributing to CH posts…the stylistic elements are consistent, but the sensitivity and detail of the content varies drastically.

    One day we have borderline neckbeardy woman-hating, close-the-borders stuff, and other days we have applicable gems like this one today. This post has no air of homophobic self-consciousness, just nuts and bolts human nature and emotional mechanics. Content like this is so fucking key when your interactions have been painted with the broad brush of stoic, gruff, james-bond, no smiling game…variation is key.

    Regardless, hat tip to CH for today’s home run.

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 2:29 am Greg Eliot

      One day we have borderline neckbeardy woman-hating, close-the-borders stuff,

      Do you clown Cathedral shills have to tell on yourselves so quickly?

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 6:01 pm Kiddyfiddler

        Greg, do you or “PA” have any kids I can practice my toddler game on? I’m too scared to approach adults. I babysit on call, too.

        *thigh squeeze*

        Thx,
        Bye

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 5:25 am PA

      Nice name too. What a ban-worthy piece of filth.

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 7:54 am El Capitan

      WTF is homophobic self consciousness?

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 10:49 am Greg Eliot

        The usual suspect Cathedral shaming language tell that red pill is king in all endeavors of life… so long as it’s only applied to poon.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 6:05 pm Kiddyfiddler

        What I mean is the kind of uptight, any small expression of emotion could be perceived as gay, what do people think of me, I’m not gay in not gay, anti-fun self consciousness. We all know plenty of those dudes, the ones who think that singing a girl out of her clothes or dancing constitutes “gay” or unmanly behavior. Gays make decent wedges to prove your social acumen when opening mixed sets as well…be a chameleon not a fuckin brick wall who never smiles and waits for girls to submit to his expressionless masculinity -the entire gist of this post.

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 9:05 am Philomathean

      The style of this post makes me think there might be two authors who contribute. I get that feeling every so often here. The use of language is expert, however, there are subtleties of expression within that use that pique my curiosity.

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      • on March 8, 2015 at 12:22 pm King A

        Father Karras: I think it might be helpful if I gave you some background on the different personalities Regan has manifested. So far, I’d say there seem to be three. She’s convinced…

        Father Merrin: There is only one.

        cf. Mark 5:9

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  24. on March 6, 2015 at 4:45 pm Eon56

    “Use a fuller vocal range. Vocal variability is attractive to women.”

    Is it possible to try too hard to do this? I see this tendency of men to speak to the girl they are attracted to in a softer tone all the time. But I feel they go too far. They just sound ridiculous. Have you ever seen this before?

    I don’t know how to explain precisely what I’m talking about. They just sound so… supplicating when they do it. Like it isn’t even their normal voice. I can understand that men talk to their girlfriend or whatever in a bit of a different tone than they do other people, but what I’m talking about is something entirely different. They don’t even sound like themselves

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 9:17 pm Arbiter

      Yes. Every single piece of advice in the manosphere can be done wrong. That’s why you have to practice. I don’t know why this is an issue. “Using your hands is metrosexual.” “Furrowed brow is gay.” Some people need to get out more.

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      • on March 6, 2015 at 10:34 pm Eon56

        The men I’m talking about know nothing of the manosphere. It just baffles me as to why they do that.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 2:38 am heyjay

        They’re sycophantic betas, so they’re supplicating. Trying to be nice to get into their panties.

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      • on March 8, 2015 at 5:05 am olympiapress

        I’m certainly guilty of that, but I’ve found if you show interest to a girl in a soft voice after a DHV, it can work wonders. I was out at a karaoke bar, and this, 6.5, I guess, was wearing fishnets, almost stripper width. Obviously dtf, but a little self-conscious, worried about a few frayed threads.

        All the guys are after her, so I walked in, crowd parts ‘cuz I’d just killed it on Flogging Molly. She looks up at me, shy, almost covering one part of her leg, I leaned over, “do you have a run?” Smiles. “I have a run.” “It happens.” Sympathetic and smiling.

        We hooked up two hours later. It’d been 8 months for her since the breakup. Good night was had. She flew back to upstate NY within a couple of days. I love FL.

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 7:58 am El Capitan

      Could it be possible that they are influenced by the way everyone whispers in the movies? These fags are trying to sound like Batman?

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  25. on March 6, 2015 at 5:43 pm The Seductive Value Of Emotional Range | Reaction Times

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  26. on March 6, 2015 at 7:48 pm Starrman

    Nice to see you had a whiskey this eve. A little more ease in your spiel, a nice bit of finesse. And that forgotten trait of a little compassion for the not-so-talented. I keep coming back for these kind of posts: sage advice from a wise man. More Zen like and less Viking. Both important, but testosterone ladened fury slides quickly by the struggling average man…

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 9:25 pm Arbiter

      The Irish used to have an expression, “the warrior poet”. Then there are some in forums who’d say the poet part is gay. Take that, Kipling.

      Pretty soon we’ll hear that having wallpaper in any other color than black, white or grey is metrosexual. And you better not have any carpets at home, only women have carpets. Be strong, walk on marble! But not in your socks. Either barefoot or in James Bond’s shoes.

      As for music, that’s also suspect. You better not have any female singers in your collection. Not any metal either, metal singers all have long hair. And classical music is for people with powdered wigs. Frankly, forget about music. You should be listening to ice stirring in a whisky glass or the relaxing sound of gunfire.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 8:57 am Philomathean

        “Poetry is gay” are words that can only be uttered by idiots. I believe it was Pound who said poets are the antennae of a civilization.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 9:12 am James Blonde

        Arbiter
        The Irish used to have an expression, “the warrior poet”. Then there are some in forums who’d say the poet part is gay.
        ——————————————————————————————-

        James J Omeara wrote an entire book on this white “homo or negro” conflict that just won’t go away. He argues The Right has been tricked into amputating the most creative and particular part of itself over fears of looking gay; with the unfortunate result that everyone now worships the vulgar and the crude; i.e “The Negro” as the gold standard of masculinity.

        Look how CH is charged with being a metrosexual just because he advocates injecting a little whimsey and emotional dynamics into your game?

        I suspect James J Omeara is a homosexual; but don’t let it discredit his brilliant observation that fear of the homoerotic handicaps white men by cutting them off from a huge aspect of their creativity.

        http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/the-stark-truthrobert-stark-interviews-james-j-omeara/

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 9:32 am PA

        Look how CH is charged with being a metrosexual just because he advocates injecting a little whimsey and emotional dynamics into your game?

        In similar vein a lot of the positive things on the eponymous SWPL list (such as enjoying the outdoors or fine beer) got tied to the faux-hipster dog walking lifestyle, creating the false SWPL vs People of Walmart dichotomy.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 2:56 pm James Blonde

        For example, in Star Trek The Next Generation, they made the android character “Data” very pale, which I suspect was designed to amplify his linear, unidimensional thought process and send the message that “yes, is is possible to be too white”

        But don’t don’t feel bad, they made the black guy wear that silly “visor.”

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      • on March 10, 2015 at 9:19 pm acusa

        “Frankly, forget about music. You should be listening to ice stirring in a whisky glass or the relaxing sound of gunfire.”

        At Arbiter’s wit
        I chuckled — mighty pith through keys;
        Scotch and Patton time.

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  27. on March 6, 2015 at 7:58 pm a.s.f. Flashback

    Reminds me of the old MrSex4UNYC days on alt.seduction.fast. He was all about using emotions and “eliciting values” to own a girl’s body and soul.

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  28. on March 6, 2015 at 8:16 pm walawala

    This takes practice and discipline. Personally until I became more game aware and made a ton of mistakes…mistakes that were more outcome dependent with a sense of urgency.

    Sometimes I’ll push a girl over the top and provoke her to anger…but the key to game is not backtracking…

    The only exception is with a girl who I’m gaming and calls me “Stupid”…”You’re stupid” she says…Like a little girl…

    “Probably…yes…” I say….That totally surprises…then reframe it…

    The point is not to get rattled in any way by a woman’s emotional outbursts and reactions. She forgets them quickly.

    I wrote about the 27 year old I was banging who told me to “Fuck off”…either pick up as normal…or ignore…or laugh…the angry reaction is the wrong way to go…

    But this again is calibration. Anger has to be injected properly. I have expressed anger…but NOT ‘hurt’…

    Much of this takes practice and trial and error.

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  29. on March 6, 2015 at 9:28 pm Klaar

    “So as not to hurt him, I kept quiet as that waning desire continued to fizzle away. I just couldn’t find the words to tell him that I no longer found him sexually attractive.”
    http://extragoodshit.phlap.net/index.php/my-husband-learned-the-hard-way-why-women-cheat/#more-299901

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  30. on March 6, 2015 at 10:15 pm Karl

    Men taking daily psychiatric drugs are constricted in their emotional display.

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    • on March 6, 2015 at 10:57 pm anonYmous

      To say the least. Whenever the pleasure centers of the brain are mess with using any kind of drugs bad stuff happens. Sometimes its irreversible.

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  31. on March 6, 2015 at 10:53 pm anonYmous

    Transgender male freaks out woman in female gym locker room. She complains… then gets the boot.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/06/woman-complains-about-transgender-person-in-locker-room-gets-scary-response-back/

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 10:28 am kuchak

      She is pretty hot. According to the article, all I have to do to check her out in the shower is say that I identify with being female.

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    • on March 8, 2015 at 12:29 pm King A

      Men should just start using women’s locker rooms at Planet Fitness — look like a man in every way, except wear a halter top.

      A page straight out of the enemy’s playbook: Increase the contradictions.

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      • on March 8, 2015 at 12:31 pm King A

        Pardon me, “Heighten The Contradictions” is the proper Maoist term.

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  32. on March 7, 2015 at 2:04 am Donohoe

    Just finished watching Gone With The Wind

    Rhett butler being a great example of never taking girls seriously

    A jokey ‘sorry mum’ will usually do the trick in defusing a potentially bad situation

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  33. on March 7, 2015 at 6:34 am PA

    Twitter: “Attractive women don’t much go in for this feminist LGFYBWORUBJDT degenerate freak mafia crap”

    Leftoids have been so successful because they did something that hasn’t been done before on the larger scale: they split the men and women of the occupied population from each other by flattering and privileging the women while dispossessing and demoralizing the men. This is in contrast with the normal condition of conquered nations, where the boot stomps on the entire population and therefore men and women have solidarity with each other. And make no mistake about it, we are a conquered nation, as of 1954, depending on where you draw the line in the incremental conquest.

    But the very illusory white female privilege is disappearing, and some are starting to feel it. Now, lower class white women have had it tough for decades and not all surrendered to obesity and ‘sharking. it’s just that nobody gave a crap or talked about their plight.

    But now middle class, high SMV youngish women are starting to feel the enemy’s boot, and in the case of the locker room incident, fro a very unexpected direction. Hell, in this case it isn’t nogs that went too far and scared the white woman. It was a male pervert in a locker room, followed by Planet Fitness’s creepily Orwellian response.

    This is not time for misogyny. Remember that very few of our women, actively betrayed us over the past decades, even fewer women who had options. This is to recognize that we can look forward to high-SMV, middle class white women to start actively rejecting the occupant’s empty promise and once again seeking to subordinate themselves to their natural protectors, their own men.

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    • on March 8, 2015 at 12:37 pm King A

      This is not time for misogyny.

      It’s never the time for “misogyny” (dread phrase). We want to restore femininity because we love women. The feminists are the biggest haters of women as-they-are in history.

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  34. on March 7, 2015 at 8:18 am Desdinova Superstar

    Excellent post, with one exception…

    – “Women have slicker emotional fluidity than men, but their highs aren’t as high nor their lows as low as the passions that men are capable of feeling. Few women will ever feel with the same intensity the exhilarating rush of power that a man feels when he is victorious in struggle.”

    I actually disagree with this. I believe that women can experience the same highs and lows as men can, but in a much shorter duration. A man experiences a victory and he’ll fly on that gust of emotional wind for upwards of a couple of days. For women, they get an emotional spike, but it lasts ever so briefly. It’s more like jumping up into the air, only to have gravity suck them right back down.

    As for the rest of your post, it’s bang on. Emotional fluctuation is something that will inevitably keep a woman interested in a subject or person. However, I find that women are different in the amount of emotional fluctuation required to keep them “happy”. Some will indulge in as much drama as possible and yet still be unsatisfied, and some will get their fill when you kiss them and then turn your back.

    Men often make the mistake of trying to keep their women on a continuous plane of positive emotion; in other words, keeping them happy. Women get bored of consistent positive emotion. A woman is only “happy” when she’s feeling a wide range of emotions in a short duration of time. Call her a fucking bitch in an angry voice, force your lips upon hers, then lead her into a slow passionate kiss. That’s what women call “fun”.

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  35. on March 7, 2015 at 9:09 am eofahapi

    “Women have slicker emotional fluidity than men, but their highs aren’t as high nor their lows as low as the passions that men are capable of feeling.”

    This is a great post. When I read through it first time, I thought to myself, I am not sure about the highs not as high and the lows as low as men feel. It confused me. Then I thought about it more. I have always thought of the men in my life as being intensley emotional men, but I realised that I formed this opinion based on only the emotion they have expressed in extreme circumstances. For the most part they are stoic. There have been even many times in life I have thought to myself, about the men in my life, that they are cold and unfeeling. I will give an example…

    Everything in life I do, I do with emotion. I love logic, but I would be deluding myself to say it is my base, natural function. I think first with emotion, and second with logic. Logic is something I pepper my emotion with. I really detest when people are completely illogical, as I believe we need a balance of both.
    When I say I do things with emotion, I mean I do not necessarily make decisions based on emotion, because that is a luxury we can not afford, but, I definetly love to “feel” what I am doing. And there are certain decisions I am not capable of making, because even though my logic says it is correct, my emotional part will not permit it. For example, I take in stray cats, my father thinks it is insane and is always angry about it, he says it is better to let them fend for themself, and if they die, so be it, it is the cycle of the life. Last week I wanted to take in 3 legged dog (or he would be put down), but everyone said no, you can not. I consider this to be extremely cold and incomprehensible for me. I also am incapable of taking the political stance that many take, even in the face of evil. For example, I understand the complete lack of logic in mass immigration, yet I personaly would not like to be the one to make the decision to send back innocent babies to war torn countries. I just can not, even though my logic agrees, the emotion is too strong for me to personaly take this decision. Which leads me to believe, in general, most of us women are not made for politics.
    The only exception to this rule, I believe, when I am capable of being completely cold, is if someone harms my family.

    It is times like that, that I will look at the men in my life and wonder if their hearts are made of stone. I know that sounds very unkind, but I have felt sometimes, “why can they not FEEL it?”. I feel both confused by it, but also envious of it. I remember being about 14 years old and asking my father why I must feel so many emotions, why cant I just be cold or stoic? And my father laughed and told me I will never be that way. It is something I strived for, to kind of break free of the chains of emotion, I said some months ago to my neighbor, quite sarcasticaly and dramaticaly, “my heart is cold now”, when talking about something bad someone had done. And my neighbour laughed so hard and said, “Your heart could never be cold”. A part of me resents the emotional fluidity of women.

    There have been other times, I have seen men display such depths of emotion, that I have felt shocked to my core at the rawness of it. I do not hate when a man cries, I am just shocked. And I am a little in awe. Because I think, we do not think of men of being able to express such emotion, especialy so raw and intense. It is moving. It is almost like they have turned, in a moment, from the strong stoic man to the baby boy who needs to be cradled in your arms. But it does not last long, we get just glimpse of it. But I think it changes something in us, when we see such a strong man break just for a moment. I am sure, the men in my life I love, I love because I see those times of emotional expression. It is a strange paradox, I admire their strength and stoicism, of my father, my neighbour, my brother in laws, cousins, godbrother etc…yet sometimes I want to see them break and express just to know they are human with hearts and so I can make it better.

    I believe that the reason men experience such intense highs and lows, is because for them their emotion is not used as much. They do not talk or live in emotions, they live in logic, so when that emotion boils over, it is raw, uncultivated, childlike and intense. It is extremely endearing. The extreme example would be a autistic meltdown, if we believe in the “extreme male brain” theory of Autism. It is intense, often frightening, but holds a strange beauty.

    Personaly, I am weary of men who do not appear stoic at first. I think it would definetely work to get certain kinds of women, but when men appear overly charismatic, it piques my interest but also makes me think the guy is probably disingenuous. Sociopathic type men are that way, stupid men are that way, the real good men are the ones who hold it in. Some women are attracted to that emotional range, in facial expression etc, but when I see a guy making facial expressions like a woman, I sometimes think he is a sociopath, gay, or on drugs. Of course men also should not be the other extreme, some emotional expression in men is attractive and endearing, but it should not be expected they express emotions to the same extent as women.

    The sarcasm one is definitely true, I adore sarcasm and if a man says a lot of sarcastic jokes I feel this guy is funny.

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 9:28 am eofahapi

      But, I was just thinking, if one was approaching many women on the pill, probably she would want more emotional expression, subconsciously she is looking for a less masculine man. She needs her man to talk woman language and communicate in the same way. Instead of the natural dance that occurs between a healthy masculine and a healthy feminine women. We do not talk the same language, 50% of the time. Learning to do it now is necessary because many womens body have been artificially fooled in to not being attracted to masculine men, years ago a man would have just told her to close her mouth. lol.

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    • on March 8, 2015 at 12:46 pm King A

      The admission of your tendency to unlogic is remarkably logical.

      I believe that the reason men experience such intense highs and lows, is because for them their emotion is not used as much. They do not talk or live in emotions, they live in logic, so when that emotion boils over, it is raw, uncultivated, childlike and intense. It is extremely endearing.

      Best articulation so far, even better than the original post. Thread winner.

      And all the more reason for the counterbalance of selective stoicism in men. If you are prone to unmanaged outbursts, you’d best be trained how to control and ultimately direct them to proper ends when the demon inevitably visits.

      Matt

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      • on March 8, 2015 at 12:48 pm King A

        Missed this line:

        [W]hen I see a guy making facial expressions like a woman, I sometimes think he is a sociopath, gay, or on drugs.

        ROFL 😀 🙂 😦 :* :O

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      • on March 9, 2015 at 8:40 am eofahapi

        Lol. 🙂 . It really happened, The weekend before Lent, I went to the taverna with family and friends for the pre Lent celebrations, and a man started to talk to me, he said he was in the same class as my cousin in school, so we were talking, and I am completely entranced by his facial expressions. His mouth, his eyes, everything, it was like elastic…and fascinating. In my mind, I was thinking, this guy is on drugs, or is very homosexual. I went to the bathroom with my godsister, and she said kori that man is very gay, I think. I said, yes, either that or he is on drugs or very drunk. When I went back to the table, he asked me what brand of make up I wear, and tryed to start to sell me Avon. And I thought, ok….he is gay.

        Women have a lot of facial expressions. It has actually caused me arguments with the men in my life, because I will say I am ok, but they say my face says something else. When men are so transparent as women, it is odd.

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      • on March 9, 2015 at 8:50 am eofahapi

        I was expecting him to break in to song at any moment. LOL.

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  36. on March 7, 2015 at 9:27 am James Blonde

    Desdinova Superstar

    Men often make the mistake of trying to keep their women on a continuous plane of positive emotion; in other words, keeping them happy.
    ————————————————————————————–

    Yeah; but that may be a particular Anglo-Saxon racial sensibility (Churchill) vote for me and I promise you endless shopping and fornication; a huge empire of colored people to service your every need…

    Hitler was having none of that. He offer endless toil, struggle and sweat and the people couldn’t get enough of him.

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  37. on March 7, 2015 at 9:35 am Joey Giraud

    Have little interest in seduction right now, and haven’t been here in awhile. Glad I stopped in and read this well-written essay because, damn, this really helps explain my ex-wife’s passive-aggressive bullcrap. Thanks.

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  38. on March 7, 2015 at 10:13 am PA

    https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/parents-6-common-phrases-that-should-be-banned-in-111400645603.html

    More anti-truth from the auxillary wing of the ministry of propaganda. You really do have to read anything that is written in mainstream media through opposite-world goggles, in an in mala fide relationship with your official institutions. The article on parenting starts out saying that you can’t tell your son “be a man” because you’re disparaging women.

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 3:00 pm James Blonde

      Tell him to be a negro.

      No wait, strike that.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 3:27 pm Anonymous

        U R 2 obzest wit Zaudi kok to be negro. U R jew.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 3:36 pm Anonymous

        Alzo U R too obzest wit dumbass failed-painter cretin that the dumbass junkerjunta put on top of their dumbass fiefdom.
        U R jew.

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      • on March 7, 2015 at 5:31 pm James Blonde

        If I see you on the street, Im slappin the shit outta you.

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    • on March 7, 2015 at 7:25 pm Anonymous

      “Some kids can’t say the word “hate” – even if it’s about spinach!”

      I’ve never heard of such a thing, but the point is – get used to the idea that there are words you can’t say for fear of incurring criminal charges.

      “But today, as small towns give way to a global community, it’s more important than ever that our kids understand how profoundly the words they choose can affect others – and themselves.”

      Translation: you have no right to decide how to raise your own kids, the UN will tell you how.

      I refuse to read that shit further, why ruin a pleasant evening. Amazing how much propaganda these slimeballs can cram into how few words. People worried about the cloning of Hitler, they should have worried about the cloning of Goebbels.

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      • on March 8, 2015 at 8:15 am Greg Eliot

        The fact that Hitler and Goebbels are the first names that come to your mind tells you just how powerful and successful the Cathedral’s agitprop machine has been.

        It takes digging to come up with the names of the modern-day Goebbelses… that’s lesson one.

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      • on March 8, 2015 at 11:47 am James Blonde

        Greg Eliot
        It takes digging to come up with the names of the modern-day Goebbelses…
        ————————————————————————————

        Speaking of Geh-bowls, there is an excellent documentary out called “The Goebbels Experiment.”

        Its a first person account voice over in English of his diary entries over selected film footage, much of it taken from work he did. Unlike most Nazi docs, they didn’t make him into a cartoon super villian, evil incarnate…

        Its on the internet but you have to find it.

        Its worth the search.

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      • on March 9, 2015 at 2:13 pm Greg Eliot

        I’m more interested in giving birth to a new nation… not resurrecting the dead.

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  39. on March 7, 2015 at 10:28 am Emotional Fluctuation | Desdinova Superstar

    […] recent post over at Chateau Heartiste also covered this subject very well, with the exception of one […]

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  40. on March 8, 2015 at 10:49 am Anonymous2357

    “Sing. In the middle of a pickup, I might just sing aloud a thought or two, Is it ridiculous? Yes. Does it entrance women? Yes.”

    Totally works! The strategy has worked on me at least, though I was in musical theater for many years, so not sure how much my opinion is worth exactly. But I mean Bing Crosby and others before and during his generation most likely used it and used it quite successfully.

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  41. on March 8, 2015 at 11:22 am Lex Corvus

    Excellent post as usual. One quick copyedit: her’s -> hers

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  42. on March 8, 2015 at 1:20 pm Pete

    Found this very entertaining. Thank you.

    http://www.myfitmatch.singles

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  43. on March 8, 2015 at 11:02 pm SC

    You could have said that most women are not meant for stoicism, but that is not what you said. There are a few women out there who are meant for stoicism. Have you ever met an autistic woman? They are more stoic, rational, logical, and unemotional than most men.

    Also, you cannot quantify level of emotion. Your claims cannot be proven because there is zero way of measuring them.

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  44. on March 20, 2015 at 8:56 pm R

    I’ve read Heartiste from the beginning

    This is the post I’ve been waiting for

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