Rollo comments, concerning the de-stigmatization of polyamory subject,
On a social scale it seem like the next deductive next step – blend a justifiable Eat Pray Love narrative with the more visceral (yet unignorable) sexuality of 50 Shades and women will readily consume it. I expect there will be the same hamster spinnings of NAWALT and most women respect their marriage vows, but it still wont wash with the overwhelming ‘guilty pleasure’ popularity that 50 Shades exposed on a large scale.
Writers like Rinaldi and E.L. James have tapped into the Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks anxiety rooted in women’s primal insecurity inherent in doubting their optimization of Hypergamy. If appealing to visceral sex sells products to men, appealing to the inherent ‘you-only-live-once’ insecurity of feminine Hypergamy sells to women – and women being the primary consumers in western society, sell it does.
EatPrayGetPumpedAndDumped plus 50 Shades is the event horizon of civilizational decadence and decline. Once that Boobicon is crossed, it’s a rapid swirl down the toilet bowl. Give women the run of the place and the Swirl is the inevitable result.
I believe the Roman Empire in its waning years was also marked by sexual libertinism, especially of their women. Weimar Germany, too, before its rebirth under a patriarchal epoch which unfortunately insufficiently and belatedly weeded out the psychopaths who are otherwise so crucial to the early stages of revolution, welcomed the indignities of wanton women pursuing the alpha fux/beta bux (sometimes not even bothering with the beta bux) lifestyle.
A telling societal signal of imminent collapse is the glorification and commercialization of the worst instincts of women, and the denigration of the best instincts of men. Our women become like men, and our men like women, until an androgynous slop characterizes an empire wheezing its last.
For a small but portentous example of this radical change, just read the title of the latest attention whore du jour’s memoir: “The Wild Oats Project”. Sowing one’s wild oats used to be the prerogative of men, or at least the excusable offense of men, and this was widely understood by men and women. Now the modern aggrocunt and her mewling manlet sidekick want to assume the wild oats mantle for aging hags and urban brunchettes, while denying the same fun to men whose testes haven’t yet climbed north to hibernate.
The cultural message is unmistakable: The clit is the new cock. But this message is wrapped in a fairy tale with a very dark ending. Women can no more play the man’s game than men can play the woman’s game. Not for long, at any rate, and not without a gnawing unhappiness that corrodes the soul.

[…] Commercializing Female Hypergamy […]
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da womenz ode professionalem ”
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On point. Never stop posting.
Millenials who don’t get it: take an Adderall, read carefully, try harder.
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Yesterday at Business Insider there was a video in which according to some research institute (which name I can not remember now) women today are 40% more likely to have affairs than women from 20 years ago, and when women earn more than 75 K a year they are1.5 times more likely to cheat than women who earn 30 k a year.
Feminism; wrecking homes and turning women into sluts, what progress we’ve made!
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While looking for that video at Business Insider I discovered that Bud – the beer company – is now accused of … are you sitting down?
promoting rape!
I am not making this up.
http://www.businessinsider.com/bud-lights-latest-marketing-slogan-backfired-2015-3
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Found it,
…http://www.businessinsider.com/science-relationships-why-women-cheating-2015-1
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If there’s one word I fucking hate more than any these days it’s the damn term ‘Progress’
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@Mike
Shut up you flipped faggot
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“COMMERCIALIZING” – this is so very important – they’re laughing all the way to the bank as they burn the entire civilization to the ground. They profit in the television and movie and porn industries as they push these Narratives. They profit in the divorce industrial complex [working both sides against one another]. They profit in the scrotial media hookup sites. They profit in tracking a person’s every movement on the smartphones. They profit in the sales of the pharmaceuticals – the amphetamines and the SSRIs and the opiods etc etc etc. They profit in the psychotherapeutic bullsh!t counseling. They profit in the sales of the cosmetics and the lingeries and the perfumes. They profit in propagating this filth in K-12 and Undergrad and Grad School. They profit in treating the STDs and in murdering the little babies in the abortuaries. They profit in the NGOs and the SJW fundraising drives and the T-Shirt sales and the Pink-Ribbon sales and the stickers to slap on your car’s bumper. COMMERCIALIZATION and profit profit profit profit profit. Laughing all the way to the bank. And what had been the civilization is now just so many smoldering embers and ashes.
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“fairy tale with a very dark ending”
Sounds vaguely homoerotic.
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Way to get to the bottom of it.
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Kind of a 5h1tty story.
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On a social scale it seem like the next deductive next step – blend a justifiable Eat Pray Love narrative with the more visceral (yet unignorable) sexuality of 50 Shades and women will readily consume it.
No doubt. I’ve had two former girlfriends, aware of my other writing, suggest I write such a book–with their input, of course, and using a pseudonym.
It would be highly amusing if such a project did get off the ground, gained a wide readership, and was used surreptitiously to fund Red Pill and Manosphere websites.
Trolling the Clitocracy for Fun and Profit.
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I highly suspect many knowledgeable and wise readers would welcome a book from you Admiral.
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[…] By CH […]
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Why is the popularity of 50 Shades a bad sign? The woman is obviously submissive. She isn’t promiscuous. I’m sure she bonded to him deeply; those relationships are very intense. So what’s the problem?
[CH: it’s not the popularity that’s necessarily a bad sign. women are women after all, and their sexual natures are largely unchanged and unalterable from generation to generation. it’s the feverish commercialization and de-stigmatization of all this female smut that is a bad harbinger.]
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The GasButtox Institute (GI) has saved the US economy. Amy is one of our best students, and deserves a standing ovation for her work.
The website from the Energy Information Administration says it all. Over here, you can see that instead of just two geographies for natural gas production (East and West), we have successfully gotten a third one added. The name of the third one is ‘Producing’. Go see the link.
‘Producing’ is not any direction you have ever heard of. “Do they speak English in ‘Producing’?”, you may ask. Yet, that is a zone entirely devoted to the production of natural gas, by me. This has produced a gas revolution in America, and has saved the US economy.
-GB
[CH: still laughing at this. i’m such a child.]
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Your much-appreciated natural energy contributions have certainly helped to keep the chateau fueled and running.
Ein Leben an dein Kopf, Kamerad!
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Amy, the fact that you… and other seemingly level-headed gals like Kate… have to have these things explained… along with attempts at apologetics and justifications and rationalizations on your parts… is where the problem lies.
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“So what’s the problem?” Not being mean, but the problem is you were watching that movie instead of making babies.
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This. The white women with the best genes for making future beautiful mothers and hard working good men who build and sustain a safe civilization not only are childless at 23, the vociferously laugh at the idea that they are even within 10 years of when they should have a baby. That’s how deep the feminist brainwashing is.
Women with great genes are busy dishonoring their fathers getting nose rings and riding the CC at State University. Taking classes called “marriage and family” taught by militant psychotic mutant defective YKW dykes who teach that the nuclear family is dead and is something to be mocked.
Fathers sending their daughters to university are literally paying for the ruination of their beloved daughters that is done on purpose by a tribe that is not loyal to Anglo civilization and has actively destroyed the goy on purpose.
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I didn’t see the movie, nor did I read the book. But women can see movies and read books and still make babies, you know. 😉
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I take it you are a fan?
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Shit let me get your number.
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> “Why is the popularity of 50 Shades a bad sign?”
What’s the Total Fertility Rate of the female characters in the 50 Shades trilogy [== total female characters / total live births]?
0.0?
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OOPS == total live births / total female characters
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There are plenty of men in their twenties and thirties who, by any standard, would be excellent husbands. Unfortunately the same thing cannot be said about women in the same age group. I have known very few decent women in my lifetime. Most women these days lack the feminine qualities that men always appreciate, and they are becoming like the worst examples of men (e.g. alcoholism, promiscuity, careerism, etc.).
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Careerism isn’t bad in men. Its what separates us from Africa.
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you are a nation of shopkeepers
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Actually we’re a bunch of errand boys… sent by grocery clerks… to go collect on bills.
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Careerism plus functioning alcoholism plus promiscuity is perfectly fine in men, so long as they support their families well, and raise strong, intelligent children.
It’s also very possible as a married man to enjoy a few drinks, keep a mistress discreetly, and be a fine father.
Most every wife will peter out eventually, in either looks or libido (often both) and yet a strong, successful guy is supposed to give up sex after two or three kids pop out?
I think not.
Careerism, alcoholism, and eat pray fuck are disastrous in women. That shit ends marriages PDQ, and certainly trashes any maternal or parental instincts. Fuck that. Women who act like men make truly ghastly moms. (And stay at home Dads getting in touch with their metro side are questionable to say the least.)
Traditional sex roles = happiness.
So now wifey is falling asleep in the couch. Earlier from outside the window I saw some college girls heading out for St Pat’s stroll past our yard, towards the bars and shops around the corner.
Our little resort/college town does, in fact, have nearly as many temptations as any big coastal city.
But I have things to do at work tomorrow ….
perhaps I’ll just go out for one or two….
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For the record, I note that nobody has met my challenge to show me one woman under 28 who is not tatted up and with a nose ring like a cow.
Peruse Tinder for women under 28, and you will understand that there are no women under age 28 in the United States (or at least in a big city) who are fit to be mothers.
It’s a really sad state of affairs, what YKW has done to us. Smart men paying attention, who had experience with them, very clearly warned how YKW planned carefully and understood that controlling the media meant controlling everything.
That is what we have today. And the “media” includes Disney. They control every single thing that sends a message to women.
Women rarely if ever take it upon themselves to “investigate” things, to try to truly understand TRUTH, as every person who reads this blog does. Women believe what they are told to believe and 30 second sound bites that are given to them.
This is a fact, not opinion. Look at the go grrrrrl message that has been given hardcore the last 20 years, and then go on tinder or go anywhere else in public, or read what women say in comments sections on MSM or on their disgusting places on the web like puffed ho. Even mothers who should be more mature.
YKW has told the women “you don’t need no man” and “don’t settle” and “put career first” and “put off settling down until you are 35” and “be like Miley Cyrus” — and Generation X on the whole failed to provide nearly enough marriageable women to the men who were good and alpha enough and simply wanted a decent wife and mother to their kids.
And the millenials are a thousandfold worse.
Some real scientist (red pill real talker) needs to do a serious study on Tinder. Just Tinder alone is a fascinating window (or it lets a man get to the window) of massive proportions.
I have been rejecting some 25 year olds recently (really) because I am afraid to get involved with them. Perhaps I read this blog too much, but I can just smell false rape accusations. They are “psycho” in a way that no man can get away with. I have one stalking me right now, for real. I blocked her and now she is “texting” me from her email, which I can’t figure out how to block. On about 20 unanswered messages from her after I told her “bye” two weeks ago. That’s another thing: most women could not survive 3 days living under man standards. If I get blown off by a girl, I get the hint after a few unreturned messages, and I delete her and leave her alone. This fucking 25 year old crazy bitch (who is a 6) thinks it’s perfectly fine to send me 25 unanswered texts after I told her to go away. If a man did that he’d get arrested for stalking.
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Try better looking women… seriously – I see posts like this over and over – angry dudes bitching about women. But I meet astonishing women all the time out there and as a general rule, very attractive women are nice, have a good sense of humor and are pretty sharp. Often looking to really do things with their lives [this is a good angle of rapport building as well with them]. The worst women seem to be the 6’s and low 7’s, they are stuck in between ugly and hot and know it.
One smoking girl I met yesterday, 22 YO, college grad [honors – anthropology and film minor], solid 8, straight blond hair down to mid back, big blue eyes and bright white smile. such teeth….. Super hot, with a tight athletic body. Like she could easily be on screen. Perky, bubbly personality. We chatted for a half hour, she is tending bar in the daytime in a 5 star resort [a job she had all through college] and figuring out her next steps in life. Lives with her 2 year older sister. Ran track in HS and did pole vault… Parents still together and she speaks very fondly of them and her siblings.
Anyhow, she expertly declines my invitations, but it’s all cool, we are still laughing and joking. In real life hot girls are very chill about rejecting guys….
Since I have her name, I google her later just for kicks… Curious about her. She’s also a concert level pianist (you tube), has a funny girly instagram – all puppies and kittens and her and her family… Not a duckface picture on it. Like no narcissism at all. Yeah shes super hot and has pics at the beach and stuff and some with her GF’s but it’s all very demure. I want to adopt her….LOL
And there is the pic from just 2 weeks ago, her and her BF – “official now” according to her tag. So i’m intrigued who this super smart, talented, incredibly hot and charming girl might go for as a BF… Who do you guys think? Alpha James Bond? MMA guy? Hedge Fundie? Male model?
Nah… Just an average looking dude [at best], maybe 5 years older than her. A guy who is kind of out of shape and trying to get into exercise [per his instagram]. Tends bar but has a real serious passion for beer… brewing, developing, traveling around and trying new brews. clearly looking to do something with this passion. Looks like the kind of guy who is just comfortable with himself and you would enjoy grabbing a brew with.
Does this guy have game? Maybe, probably since he is a bartender… But does he need expert level game for a girl this hot? Not really. If you can approach, have a conversation, not be angry, try hard, butt hurt, dishonest and understand social dynamics and be fun – you are 80% of the way there guys! Game is invaluable for that remaining 20% and for managing your relationship etc. going forward but so much of success is first overcoming the 80%…
So again – hot chicks who are normal, kind people are out there, they really are… and dynamic, passionate and authentic guys – no matter their looks or money – are getting them.
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honestly cannot tell if this is serious or one of the must cunning and subtle troll posts i’ve ever encountered
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how on earth is a flirty bartender a good catch? every single shift she is surrounded by alcohol and intoxicated men hitting on her. the more she flirts the more she gets tipped. one of the absolute basic tenets of finding a worthy wife in this hellhole we call modernity is that her workplace shall not maximize her opportunity to establish connections with other eligible males. this is preselection 101 in our era sentient.
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Life is not fair. Also, i am disappointed you didn’t bang.
I met a girl in rehab who i didn’t screw, and she was all that, like maybe a 9 (and i am an old man), and had my played my cards right … whatever instead i stalked her for awhile and then got banned. She was into coke and fast easy sex, with dangerous people, i guess they all are.
By the way, the phrase “concert pianist” is a little prolish. Best wishes and kind regards don’t hang in bars.
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I disagree. I think most young American white males these days are encouraged to think like women. They are not emotionally mature or strong enough to be good husbands, raise good kids, etc.
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Yeah radagast it goes both ways
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More focus on the men please.
Not the women are the problem (they never change) – it is the men who allow this to happen.
In another time this “wild-hag” man would have put his dick plus 5 kids into his wife and that would have kept her busy enough. No time for such stupid ideas between field work and kids work.
This is not a matter of guilt, it is weakness.
Weakness of us. Us males.
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True… true… yet what can the champion do when there are a score and more of crippled men wanting to drag him down?
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She can’t have made a great mother though.
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yes, these pathetic cuckolds who allow this to happen are to blame. they stay home crying whle their “wives” are out swallowing gallons of cum. i have no sympathy for any of these “men” who let this happen to them. they have no excuse for not using google to find us.
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Not necessarily men.
More toward the root, it is Liberalism’s fault.
Without Liberalism, healthier dynamics would persist and more conservative censure of bad behavior would perform its function by keeping the highest percent in-line.
After that, leaving only the 2 percent unsalvagable nutbars on the marginal fringes of society where they wouldn’t pollute saner people with their Folie-a-Deux-style 2-Millennia-Hate.
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It’s not capitalism, or liberalism, feminism or even jismism that produced the current situation (modernism). It’s oil, cheap energy that did it. Plain and simple.
Cheap energy has allowed us to indulge the entire range of ideological brainfarts because – for those who have had it – cheap energy has cushioned the normally deadly impacts of all kinds of centrally-directed mass cupidity, fecklessness, and just plain stupidity.
All analysis as to future social trends proceeds from this.
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http://www.prometheism.net/library/CultureOfCritique.pdf
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@PA
good observations about facebook. i’d say you are pretty accurate with your assessements. a lot of people bash on facebook and other social media but i think they can be great tools. you can learn a lot about a person by looking at what they post and what they like and comment on. i for sure have screened out a couple of people based solely on their facebook profile and i have not regretted it.
sure, you can’t judge a person too harshly for one or two questionable posts or comments but when you look at the overall patterns in their behavior, you can get a pretty good glimpse into what makes them tick
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Cheap energy has allowed us to indulge the entire range of ideological brainfarts because – for those who have had it – cheap energy has cushioned the normally deadly impacts of all kinds of centrally-directed mass cupidity, fecklessness, and just plain stupidity.
Up against entropy, “centrally directed” is nothing; but otherwise, good truthspeak, Chief.
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Capitalism makes life too easy, then democracy creates weak men/strong women.
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You are confusing capitalism and democracy with its opposites.
Under a capitalist society, men would have enough access to capital to easily start their own businesses or work for someone who does.
This creates a strong middle class with nuclear families – the bedrock of any democracy.
Tyranny, whether in the form of socialism or monarchism, merely creates a lumproletariat, effeminate aristocracies, and aggressive militarism for a few jarheads, to keep the sheep in line.
The most attractive women would go to the wealthy, always, as they did in pre-Victorian England or the Roman Empire. Or in socialist Europe or in the harems of the dune coons.
Prole chicks rarely look good, significantly less so when most of a nation or culture is ground down by state control into deprivation and squalor.
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We haven’t had real capitalism in over a century and instead of a republic we’ve had democracy.
Democracy is simply tyranny of the majority. Through the vote people can take the capital of other people. When people can vote themselves the wealth of others they are liberated to do things they would otherwise have to suffer severe consequences for. It is silly to think this doesn’t alter social relationships.
Furthermore dismantling capitalism with central banking, cheap credit and debt allows most any loser to look like he has resources with subprime loans. Again this further skews relationships. The man with actual resources and no debt will appear less successful than a man who has a small fraction of the income but has purchased a large home and expensive car and everything else by pushing his borrowing limit to the edge or beyond.
IMO relationships and how they work are every bit distorted by these things as everything else.
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Comment by B is super pro comment.
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> “Democracy is simply tyranny of the majority. Through the vote people can take the capital of other people.”
The majority is not the problem per se. The puppetmasters who MANIPULATE the majority are the problem. The puppetmasters are The Other, who are completely foreign and antithetical to our nature. [Although plenty of our own, like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet and Bill Clinton, seem to be perfectly happy to get in bed with the puppetmasters.]
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“cheap credit and debt allows most any loser to look like he has resources”
Something I noticed on Facebook: prole and lesser-middle class women of average intelligence will post photos of the nice new minivans they just bought or their ex-ex- urban mcmansions to impress their frenemies. Bonus points for big screen TVs.
High-status, intelligent women will post photos of vacations that involve renting a house with breathtaking views for a large extended family vacation, or their children’s college activities with their wholesome-looking friends. When feeling extra frisky, they’ll post a photo of their mansion (no ‘mc’ here) but the subject will be a nice sunset, snow, etc.
Low class, low intelligence women will post duck face selfies or pics from previous night’s drinking.
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@PA. It’s the Coming Apart phenomenon… Played out on social media.
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Captain Obvious: I know. Just didn’t want to write a book. What we are seeing with women is a manipulation by some men to control and shape society. It’s part of the scientific management of society that came out of marketing. Create a social obligation of men in the minds of women and most men will go along with it. The famous example being DeBeer’s Diamond engagement ring marketing. That was extended into managing society.
PA: Social media is very strange place. People are choosing what to share and there is probably meaning in those choices. However IMO it’s really just an extension of human behavior as it has always been. Once upon a time one of the bars I went to was near a ‘cruising’ spot before the cops harassed them away. It was like watching an episode of “wild kingdom” as these guys tried to be flashier and louder than each other for the attention of females. Males do these things because some women respond to them. So leasing an expensive luxury car, getting strung out on credit for nice home in the right place, and so on is done because some women respond to it. And that’s (one method) how you drag men into a debt-slave consumer society. Which brings me back to Captain Obvious’s comment.
Anon: thanks.
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#4 in the works.
Less talk, more doing. I even have fields for them to pick rocks out of from a young age…
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She has the power of the state. Divorce rape is real and they actually think a man can rape his wife!!
The current law is literally not marriage. It’s an illusory contract – only the man has obligations.
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If anyone actually bothered to read Eat, Pray, Love, they would discover that the author’s ex-husband got quite a cushy settlement from her. She even had to agree to give him future earnings from future books she hadn’t even begun yet. It is not the example the Manosphere thinks it is at all. Can’t resist an eye rollo every time someone uses it as an example of how some man got screwed over.
[CH: the quirky details backstopping these female smut books is less important than the contours of the cultural revolutions they portend or exalt. or: marketing matters.]
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How’s their marriage doing?
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There was a woman named Kate,
A lot of food, she ate,
She met a man in his winter,
His surname was Minter,
And now she is free to gain weight.
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GasButtox was always at the, er, bottom of his class.
He was continually showing his a**.
But the teachers awarded him a diploma
simply to get rid of his aroma.
And now we have to put up with his sass.
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There was a woman named Kate,
Her ass was far from great,
I taught her to twerk,
Put that booty to work..
But alas, she still gained weight.
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Lol. I heart Kate. You’re all lucky to have her here.
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Actually, it is… as CH rightly pointed out the Big Picture.
That said, don’t you worry your pretty little head over it, dear.
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It’s cute when smart women think they have refuted something here. Not even Kate gets it.
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[CH: the quirky details backstopping these female smut books is less important than the contours of the cultural revolutions they portend or exalt. or: marketing matters.]
[GBFM: the quirky details of where my cum lands on your facez t is less important than the gallonnz of the cultural cum my cockaszz portends or exalt. or: marketing matters.]
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Well, I don’t like to argue with *you*, but I happen to think its a very pivotal quirky detail. Besides Brittany Spears (and Iggy Azalea, if she is in fact married), you don’t see many public cases of the man cashing in on a divorce. And so it has always confounded me that the metaphor has been created on such shaky ground when it should be noted as a turning point in divorce history.
Also, I would like to point out, that the author determined to become celibate for a year, which, if you are going to divorce, is very good advice. Frankly, I think it best to remain celibate until you are engaged/remarried, which is what it turned out she did after packing her bags and leaving for Italy.
No, people shouldn’t divorce. But she didn’t want kids and her husband did. She bought her way out, he remarried and now he has kids. She remarried and is a step-mother to adult children. If he had ever gone through with publishing his side of the story, perhaps my view of it all would change, but I think she did the right thing to release him if she wasn’t going to fulfill her marital duty to have his children.
[CH: the real life divorce angle isn’t what interests me. (fyi, the kids thing should really be worked out before the wedding.) the entire text of eatprayfuck, sub- and con-, was about the clit taking on the role of the cock, unburdening one’s spiritual but not religious feminine soul from the shackles of the patriarchy. what happened later in divorce proceedings has little bearing on the social phenomenon described and celebrated in the book, and by its millions of hivemind admirers.]
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But that’s what I’m trying to tell you. The book is about her real life divorce. It is a personal memoir. Her second book, Committed, is a look at the customs of western marriage, in which, at one poignant part, she described a lamentable lack of patriarchal influence and how she determined to become her own dad, so to speak.
A “divorce is fun” message is terrible. We are in complete agreement on that. I found EPL horrifically depressing. I read it while I was getting divorced and someone thought it would help. *cross eyes* But the other messages: fiscal responsibility for reneging, *not* sleeping around, seeking God and remarriage, are good messages. The point of the book to me- ignoring any theme on divorce- is that you have to have your life in order to find happiness.
Gotta go. To church. Peace, brother H 🙂
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> “CH: fyi, the kids thing should really be worked out before the wedding.”
It absolutely boggles my mind that people can get married without first talking about kids: How many? Homeschooling? Circumcisions and Baptisms and Confirmations? Financial and Career sacrifices for them?
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Those details, if true, are interesting and relevant.
Well brought, Kate Minter.
That said, their prosaic details are dull as ever who cares.
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Perhaps he would have preferred that the woman he invested his heart in and made promises to might not betray him and leave him. Perhaps he would have preferred that she keep her promise, and be his wife. Perhaps men are not always so damned mercenary as women.
If the guy got a modicum of poetic justice, that’s fine, but unbeknownst to women, men actually care more about the priciple of a matter sometimes.
You would not know this, because women have no principles.
Only hamsters.
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I did not read the book but had a girlfriend who made me watch the movie
In eat pray love the woman is married to a nice guy but leaves him, she then meets another nice guy, but she leaves him anyway.
She herself says there is nothing wrong with those guys.
This happens in the first half of the movie, it was hard for me to watch the rest.
Women who are never satisfied with nice guys ( not submissive betas but simply nice ) are messed up in the head and they annoy the hell out of me.
She then goes to Italy and eats like a pig and becomes fat.
She then goes to India and seeks gurus or life coaches or whatever stupid things when there were plenty of nice guys at home.
She then finds a semi weird, semi alpha guy in a super exotic place
and then she settles for that.
That is dumb as hell.
I hated that movie.
I did not know the real husband got a lot of money out of that divorce, he deserves every penny, she is a fuck’n stupid irrational bitch who mistreated him for no good reason at all.
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James Franco nails seductive laser-eye contact and slow/pausing speaking in Eat Pray Love. There’s a shitload to learn from watching his eyes and speaking style in this clip:
It’s everything Liam McRae and Gambler talk about in the videos I’ve linked a million times, in action by a pro. He does this in his General Hospital appearance too, check my archives. Dude does this flawlessly, masterclass level shit in action. This melts panties and makes up for weak verbal game.
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Yareally,
This basically makes up the entirety of my game these days. I take her to a dimly lit bar, sit next to her for incidental kino; lazer-eyes, slow sexual tone of voice, ask her stupid shit about her day. After one drink, to venue change back to my place I simply say “hey let’s change venues” and I walk her home. Hasn’t failed me yet.
Minimalist game for the win.
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I actually find him completely dorky. I felt absolutely nothing. A bit more aloof is my taste.
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@kant
Ya, I used to sit beside the girl on a Day2 to get kino in but now I sit across from them because the eye-contact builds waaaaay more sexual attraction/tension. I pretty much don’t have to touch them at all till we’re in my apartment and I can just escalate to making out because the tension has been there all night.
@Sugar Baby
Are you a smokin’ hot 10/10 that turns every head in the room when you walk into a nightclub? If not, no one cares whether you’re wet or not.
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@YaReally
This is absolute money. Played into this field report =>
Bumped into a girl at a festival who I’d met briefly some years ago at a group meet up. We were both flying solo – she’s from outta town for one night – end up chatting over food & wine for solid two hours before festival closed up & we had to move on (family oriented type of festival). We’re sitting opposite each other the whole time, eye contact is off the hook – I’m trying to dial in the laser thing ATM – lots of questions about me, asking me about & playing with my rings, I’m qualifying her as much as possible, lots of push / pull but also literally saying this is a ‘judgement-free safe zone’. We then walk up the rd, I check her logistics & she says she can just grab a bus to where she’s staying, she says she likes the way I challenge her, so I eventually pull her in for the KC. She smiles but scrunches her nose saying she doesn’t want to, not into the hookup thing. I sit with her a few mins at the bus stop just telling stories, showing her the blow-off was no big deal. A bus she could grab pulls up, she just sits there & watches it leave. She then tells me I don’t have to wait with her, she’s a big girl. So I agree & bail to another festival across town – didn’t want to be the needy guy hanging with her until she makes her mind up. No exchange of details, figure it’s just too hard.
She then shows up at the festival across town, comes & finds me, tells me she had friends who were here or something… but they’re nowhere to be seen. We grab food & sit. Very little kino, guess I’m just indifferent now. Between banter I say things like “I’m just dead inside… but happy with my life otherwise & that’s why I don’t need a woman in my life”… a little too honest maybe lol? I say I like her strong eye contact – still off the hook, pupils super dilated – she says it’s not normally that strong. Between banter she says she just calls it how it is, like if she doesn’t like someone in her life she’ll just not hang with them, & I comment that I think she wears less of herself on her sleeve than she thinks, she agrees that she’s guarded & cautious. So I eventually get up to grab another drink, bump into couple other girls I know, banter for a bit before getting to the bar – not sure if she saw it. She eventually comes up & tells me she’s leaving, got some friends close by to catch up with. I’m like ok cool, seeya – still didn’t bother with exchange of details, figure she’s just not into it, being from outta town. Few mins later I just see her wandering about on her own… maybe gave off too much of a player vibe? More comfort & qualification?
Appreciate your thoughts & advice. Has been huge in helping me to even have this kind of interaction at all! Got my first SDL off a daytime approach the week before so was not feeling needy at all lol…
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@ YaReally, HABD, et. al.
Was chatting with this woman friend in a pub. She asks me if Mrs. Gamer and I are “intimate” anymore. I said, “Sometimes. Depends.” She replied, “I’m so sorry.” She way read more into it than I implied. The sexual hiatus was a week or so long. Back to honeymoon sex again.
Bet she was thinking of throwing a pity fakk my way.
Wish I could find someone to analyze my nonverbals. They seem very effective because my verbal game is crap. I do lazer-eye and probably slow-pause speaking, but haven’t known to look for it til now. Been told I have a cute grin and dancing eyes. Not sure how to analyze those. Maybe amused mastery smile or cocky grin? Dancing eyes–playful, not pretty. (Blonde eyelashes, donchaknow.) I do the close-eyes-then-slowly-open-them thing as a habit. Probably bedroom squint, too, as a habit.
Another question. As she was leaving the dance venue, a woman grabs my arm and squeezes my bicep, saying goodbye. I danced one dance with her. What was her message with the bicep-squeeze? I don’t have her cell no., so she can’t be expecting me to set up a meetup.
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Kant
What’s the breakdown between online/tinder meets and real life only meets and do you see the same outcomes?
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@theasdgamer
“Was chatting with this woman friend in a pub. She asks me if Mrs. Gamer and I are “intimate” anymore. I said, “Sometimes. Depends.”
always answer this question with… ‘as much as she can get…’ regardless of reality…lol…
“She replied, “I’m so sorry.” She way read more into it than I implied.”
your subcomms were in play here…so, you told your friend everything she wanted to know = no preselection…
“Bet she was thinking of throwing a pity fakk my way.”
girls don’t generally throw out pity fakks…it was probably a shit test (given the setting)…and she was probing for possibilities (depending on your ‘relationship’)…
“Another question. As she was leaving the dance venue, a woman grabs my arm and squeezes my bicep, saying goodbye. I danced one dance with her. What was her message with the bicep-squeeze? I don’t have her cell no., so she can’t be expecting me to set up a meet up.”
that’s a blatant IOI…you could have gotten her number to escalate…or turned that squeeze into an instadate/bang… and if you see her again out dancing, you’ll know…
good luck!
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HABD, thanks.
‘as much as she can get…’
Truthfully, any more, it’s as much as I feel like giving her. When Mrs. Gamer is emotionally withdrawn, I don’t feel the attraction. I just make sure to keep my own positive vibe going and it affects her eventually. Don’t let myself get drawn into her Ice Witch frame.
Re the biceps-groper: it was done in front of several other women in my social circle and I need some plausible deniability regarding spinning plates. (Yeah, biceps-groping shows massive preselection. Better than a goodbye hug. Not as IOI-ish as a butt or groin grope.) Can’t be overt about spinning plates, just as Rollo recommends. One of the women might almost certainly will speak with Mrs. Gamer at some point.
I took the groping as a signal that she wanted more attention the next time I saw her. Likely another dance. Maybe more. It was an incidental grope. She might not realize that I’m married. Or care as long as she has plausible deniability.
Re pub friend:
it was probably a shit test (given the setting)
Which I failed, hah. My vibe was positive anyway. Failure wasn’t major.
she was probing for possibilities (depending on your ‘relationship’
For sure…she suggested a future meetup. We already each pay our own tab. Not in the BB category. We agreed that women are sometimes just into sex. I suspect that she’s looking to expand our mutual interest friendship into FWB. I’d rather not lose her as a long time friend, so the thing to do is for each to keep our emotional investments low, which means infrequent ‘investments.’ Investments have to stop sometime and if the emotional investment isn’t too high, perhaps the friendship can continue.
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Sentient,
I do mostly online these days, I just don’t have the energy to be at clubs / parties at 2am anymore. I like to be in bed by midnight. However if I do meet a cute girl in real life I will set up a date that night at my usual spot, and proceed to game her like any online meet. No real difference.
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CH please approve my comment here from a couple days ago- got a field report I’d love some views on.
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Men are not supposed to get (nor give) cushy divorce settlements.
But personally I would want to make that selfish bitch pay through the nose. And I’d spend a fair amount of it on a gym membership, a motorcycle, and sluts.
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“Men are not supposed to get (nor give) cushy divorce settlements,” but it sounds like you would take one if you could. This type of capitalization -from women or men- is wrong.
No divorce settlements would put an end to most divorce. If someone was still willing to pay to get out, especially providing that doing so would not be easy, then divorce would be taken more seriously and seen as the grievous state that it is.
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gymotorcyclesluts; it works great treated as an aggregate.
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Where a thinking man sees the big picture, all damaging consequences that these two war crimes against beauty, intellect and taste entail
a single minded creatures who some lunatic called centuries ago a “fairer sex”, sees “deep bonding” and the divorce settlement of the its author
In their total inability to grasp most simple concepts that go beyond the trivial
personal concerns and obsessions, their nature truly and fully reveals itself.
Even blinds should not be allowed to say ” I did not know or could not see”.
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It’s not about the book. It’s about exploiting women’s herd mentality in a manner that is both personally and socially destructive.
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[CH: the quirky details backstopping these female smut books is less important than the contours of the cultural revolutions they portend or exalt. or: marketing matters.]
And yet it is still a good point.
Hey Kate by the way how is that marriage thing going?
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It really seems that our foundation is going to hold. As we head into our next challenge, I believe we are strong enough to overcome it. Not that a few prayers and well-wishes would go amiss. Thanks for caring.
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” If anyone actually bothered to read Eat, Pray, Love, they would discover that the author’s ex-husband got quite a cushy settlement from her. She even had to agree to give him future earnings from future books she hadn’t even begun yet. It is not the example the Manosphere thinks it is at all.”
A woman abandons her loyal and stable, if boring, husband as well as her children to get a brief taste of the tingles. The fact the book and movie sold so well is proof of a largely unspoken, impulsive desire many women have to disregard their vows and quite literally, destroy their families to follow their solipsist hearts.
It’s good to know that she had to pay her husband a settlement, but bear in mind that 98% of all alimony paid, is paid by men to women. Meaning that a vast majority of women who are intrigued by her ideas and follow her lead will benefit financially from doing so.
Using the story as a warning or cautionary tale to get men to swear off marriage is the reason the manosphere uses the story the way it does. In that regard it is exactly what the manosphere thinks it is.
A man doesn’t propose to win a future settlement.
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“Writers like Rinaldi and E.L. James have tapped into the Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks anxiety rooted in women’s primal insecurity inherent in doubting their optimization of Hypergamy. If appealing to visceral sex sells products to men, appealing to the inherent ‘you-only-live-once’ insecurity of feminine Hypergamy sells to women”
This is basically the summary of how to fuck taken girls.
[CH: good catch.]
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Didn’t Liam Neeson do a movie about this? “Taken”?
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Liam Neeson has figured out how to stop Hypergamy:
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Lol hard. Yareally
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HAHAHA
Liam Neeson has figured out how to sell the male fantasy of being a daughter’s hero and winning back the mom. Divorced men need their movie fantasies too.
Sharknado plays on this theme early in the film when the divorced dad goes to check on his daughter and, oops, a shark kills his ex-wife’s new boyfriend! The film ends with a happy reunification of the original family after amazing dad chainsaws his way out of a shark. lolol
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The flip side is that it’s a piece of cake for a man who is taken to avoid the “game” of predatory women. The most they can do is mess with his head.
I have to admit that a woman being sweet tends to get more of my attention than any who aren’t sweet.
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“I have to admit that a woman being sweet tends to get more of my attention than any who aren’t sweet.”
That’s true across the board. It works on all men.
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Wow, Amy, your comment was in mod for ten days!
[CH: we have a new part-time mod. expect miracles.]
You’re correct about all men liking their women sweet. It’s feminine. Men need to be careful about being sweet, because they might seem feminine.
When I’m out clubbing, I might pay more attention at the time to women who make passes at me, but later on it’s the sweet ones who I remember; I remember every detail of the sweet things they did.
The attributes of warmth and fun in women are great for parties and at clubs, but the attributes of sweetness, femininity, and loyalty in women are essential for relationships. When I see a woman displaying the latter attributes at a club or party, I bookmark it for later consideration.
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I think it is funny how that san francisco woman was chasing enlightenment by having sex. I was thinking about this, and although I am not interested in or fond of eastern religion and philosophy, I remember that Buddha preached self denial as part of the path to enlightenment. In fact, buddhist monks are celibate. I imagine many of the ‘gurus’ that practice yoga or whatever that nonsense is are also celibate. Have sex and do drugs being taught as a distinctly eastern philosophy seems like something americans made up, specifically americans from san francisco. It is all kind of bizarre honestly, I have no idea where they get their tastes from.
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Eat, Pray, Buthhetxtxtz
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buddhist monks are celibate
“… like their fathers, and their fathers before them… ”
(h/t Hot Shots Part Deux.)
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Only a creature as vapid as a woman could see sex as some transformative process. Because only women are naturally emotionally bonded through sex. Modern women are behaving unnaturally. Slutting destroys their ability to behave naturally as emotionally healthy women. Each cock ruins her. Its science. As for San Francisco and hippy bullshit, I blame The Beatles.
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I think Holleubecq (sic) said as much in The Elementary Particles
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@Kate, Yet 50 Shades of Grey took in $94.7M on its debut weekend, out sold all records for pre-sale tickets on Fandango 2 weeks in advance and the book series remains in the top best sellers for the decade.
What does that indicate about the larger dynamic?
It’s not about the having Kate, it’s about the wanting.
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Your comment has nothing to do with mine. Have you watched this movie yet? You have to watch till the last second.
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So the moral of the story is men with no game have to kidnap women?
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Don’t be deceived; he’s got game. The moral of the story is that the circumstances under which love naturally flourished have been gutted. (I don’t want to give away anything else.)
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Yes she’s mad at him for not raping her. And women have to be led into knowing what they want. And two attractive enough people confined together for a month will eventually want to have sex and fall in love.
How else would you have known how you feel about me?
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You watched it?!?!?! It’s a movie ripe for discussion, eh?
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If you like that sort of thing there’s another movie like it that came out a long time ago. It’s titled “Tie me up, Tie me down” by that weird Spanish director Pedro Almodovar.
It’s about a young man that falls in love with a porn star after watching her movies, so he decides to kidnap her. Very erotic and funny, not as dark like Twisted seduction. BONUS: the kidnapper is played by a young Antonio Banderas!
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Thanks for the suggestion 🙂 Funny is good! Its not so much that I like that sort of thing as I see this movie as a refutation to the illusion of the submissive woman taming the psychopath that appears to be propagated in 50 shades. I haven’t read and won’t see the movie because my objection to it is so strong. Psychopaths are psychopaths and you don’t fix them, you get away from them.
Of course this movie is fiction too, but it shows how a woman simply *must* feel that she is special, that circumstances are special in order to fall in love. She must feel she is the only one and that the man has gone to great lengths to make her happy.
The very rude last minute throws away everything believed up until that point. She is NOT special. He literally has a warehouse full of women, all at different stages of being broken in (falling in love). Although it is a little bit of an exaggeration, this, to me, is the more truthful representation of what it means to be in a relationship with promiscuous man.
If a man is good to you, he never was bad to begin with. So, you didn’t tame him. You didn’t cure him. That would be pure solipsism. The entomology of “education” means “to draw out.” So, what you get out of someone is what is already in there. Maybe other people don’t draw it out of them, but it isn’t something you’ve created: it was theirs all along.
Women who think that getting into relationships with “bad boys” to show how great they are, how special they are, are stupid. Because if the guy is actually a bad guy, he’s not going to change. You may be one of many in the stockroom, and, as this movie shows, as long as you don’t find out about it, you’ll continue to be happy.
But, it won’t last. Once he got the true “I love you,” out of her, it was over for him. The chase was done and he was on to the next girl. If and when she finds out the truth, she’ll be devastated. Even though this movie has some uncomfortable scenes in it, to say the least, its an important (even education!) one that reveals the utter hogwash that is 50 shades of laid.
Love does not hurt. Love does not degrade.
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I saw it on your recommendation, Kate. Interesting little film indeed.
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tl;dw Life is too short, I have soil to turn, mortar to mix and boards to nail.
Let me guess? The twink in the black tee has abducted Antony Hegarty? Cold warm or hot?
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Conservative princess Bristol Palin is leading the EPL charge.
1) Knocked up as a teenager by a cad
2) Short lived reality TV star career, and book about me author attention whoring (but still a devote single mother)
3) Engaged to MoH beta (who is clearly a hero, but did suffer serious shell shock from his ordeal)
But try to point this out that perhaps she isn’t exactly
a) worthy of such an honorable man, and
b) best suited to nurture him in good times and bad and the hate springs eternal amongst the conservative women while the men advert their eyes.
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You want the real irony here? Roosh can spend 9 years traveling the world, banging women in different countries with relative degrees of success and write over half a dozen books about his experiences.
The media here and abroad paint him as a misogynist monster, a sex tourist predator or a deeply bitter man who’s a potential or borderline rapist.
Rinaldi takes a year off from her marriage, bangs at least 12 consecutive guys inside that year, expects her Beta husband to lie down for it with rationalizations of “working on their marriage”, then writes one book that becomes an instant best-seller.
Her (albeit salacious) behavior is characterized as ‘empowerment’ by fem-centric media, no writer dares call her so much as a slut, and her rationales of YOLO fair play inspire women’s inherent need of self-righteous indignation.
Movie prospects and talk-show bookings are both in the works.
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I wish it ended badly for these kinds of EPL women. It doesn’t often enough, at least not for women in my social circle. Buddy of mine was cheated on by his wife. She left him for the high status musician. Oops! Soon as the divorce was final, the musician moved on to a younger girl. Did the cheating whore end up lonely, destitute with only cats for company? Nope. She’s living in the marital home. Also, she got a new guy to commit, even though he knows about the fact she cheated on ex. Of course she’s still pining for the musician and is in touch with him. And she is a single mom of a kid who has psychiatric problems. All this yet some dude is still willing to commit. He’s employed and OK looking too. WTF? The Wild Oats lady also is shacking up with one of her flings from the “project.” Again, WTF to that guy. There aren’t enough bad consequences for these awful women.
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Did anyone find the article in Business insider????
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Every time I read the GBFM I laugh so hard I am afraid I will lose control of my Bernankified bungholzzlolzomg(!) and crap my pants. Great stuff!
On the subject of the decline; something I have been thinking about a lot lately…
That the increasingly powerful Multikulti-Gynotopia will paradoxically guarantee the ascension of Islam in the west. Islam seems to be the only reactionary element that is completely unassailable by the Multikulti-Gynotopians. Probably because it is practiced primarily by brown people and the prime directive of the MG is get whitey (males). Interestingly, even the diaspora Red Sea Pedestrians still seem to be committed to the importation of hordes of Mohamedans, probably because they still think they can make docile debt serfs and lefty voters out of them.
Perhaps I am too much of a doomer. But, I can’t help feeling the eyes and lunatic grin of the abyss upon me as I try to lounge poolside…
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Hordes of Mohammedans are no existential threat in their home countries unless they are in an organised, scientific and viable state. See Iraq, Libya, Syria for details.
In other countries they’re an existential threat to the natives, but what matters that ?
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Bring Back Prima Noctes! Braveheart: “Grant them prima noctes. First night, when any common girl inhabiting their lands is married, our nobles shall have sexual rights to her on the night of her wedding.” lolzlz!
“Longshanks: Nobles. Nobles are the key to the door of Scotland. Grant our nobles lands in the north. Give their nobles estates here in England, and make them too greedy to oppose us.
Advisor: But sire, our nobles will be reluctant to uproot. New lands mean new taxes, and they are already taxed for the war in France.
Longshanks: Are they? Are they? The trouble with Scotland is that it’s full of Scots. Perhaps the time has come to reinstitute an old custom. Grant them prima noctes. First night, when any common girl inhabiting their lands is married, our nobles shall have sexual rights to her on the night of her wedding. If we can’t get them out, we breed them out. That should fetch just the kind of lords we want to Scotland, taxes or no taxes.
Advisor: A most excellent idea, sire.
Longshanks: Is it? “
–From Braveheart
I wish they would bring Prima Noctes back!!
Imagine just one other man having rights to your wife, for one night (butthexinting her and taping it in secrets like tucker max rhymes iwth goldman sax lolzozlzlzozozozl), before you got her.
That would rock!!
Today the master fiat class gives the first rights of your wife to an endless array of douchetards, starting in elementary school, commanding her to see lying, peacocking, manipulative, girly beta males as alphas, while seeing manly alphas as betas; as her mother exiled her true father long ago, under command of the fiat masters.
From an early age they teach her that her ginatingles rule the world, not Jesus, nor Thor, nor Zeus, nor Moses. When she gets knocked up, they reward her with fiat dollars which Ben Benanke hand delivers in his helicopter.
Today, when she kisses those kids and sends them off to school, she leaves traces of dozens of other men on their cheeks.
Make no mistake–she is working for the Fed, and if you question any of this she will take your children away and the feminist police will search your home to determine how many assets of yours she will get. For again, all the Fed can do is create debt, and to convert this debt into physical wealth, they need men, like you, to work and labor for it. lozlzlzl!
You know you tasted it when you kissed her a couple times on those early dates–that salty prima nocta form those who violated her orfices a few minutes before. And now she pwns u, the kids, and the home! And you have to pay 4 ur own cuckolding!!
lozlzl!
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Seems the Russians and Chinese are doing a reasonable job of resisting feminism too.
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The Chinese have a term for single women 27 and over — “Leftover women.” Hilarious.
Tired of harpie leftie fems in the west? Come to Asia. Still 1950s man’s land here.
I married an Asian woman. We now have two kids, an infant and toddler. I have never cooked and don’t clean a thing. My job is to bring home the bacon and protect the family.
She likes it that way.
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Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
Feminism is a decadence. It is only possible in a leisure culture (just like, not coincidentally, the “poolside” lounge). It exists only insofar as we have the luxury to indulge useless and destructive fantasies.
Read history. The Roman Empire had its share of seriously decadent fruitcakes at the commanding heights of culture, but it didn’t start enervating until it ran out of enemies to fight and lands to conquer. When all great goals are accomplished, a polity turns in on itself, fractures itself, eats itself.
Those pederastic goat-hearding dishrag peasants of the crescent moon would shit on their prophet (pbuh) for a sniff of white Western ass. (They found terabytes of our porn on the computers at bin Laden’s Abbottabad compound.) They are cartoons of manliness, which indicate not just fraudulence and shallowness but also a fundamental misunderstanding about what it means to be a man. Like teenage Jersey Shore guidos who huff and puff and strut in imitation but are scared little boys inside.
So we have let children and women and deviants have their run of the place for a generation-and-a-half. It’s appalling to look at, but they will burn themselves out and otherwise avoid pulling the sleeping tiger’s tail too hard. We can still turn away from their aesthetic and live in relative peace, especially now as mass media founders in favor of peer-to-peer networking. Just turn off your TV. Click.
But the moment reality invades their Neverland Ranch, they will instinctively flee to the rear (heh) of us. And if somehow reality doesn’t invade their “Gynotopia,” well, then we have bigger problems than to contemplate what lessons to draw from Femen and Pussy Riot hypothetically attempting their attention-whoring in Saudi Arabia.
Focus on what areas we have yet to conquer or how to sublimate our war-impulse more productively than Call to Duty and March Madness. Those are true problems that deserve our attention. Fags and hags should be treated as an afterthought at best. Anything beyond the minimal and you give them more power by rumor than they could ever achieve directly.
Enough of the theatrical gloom! You sound like mid-80s queens howling and huddling against each other over the specter of GRIDS.
Matt
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Lolzlolzlolzozoz
Note YKW-approved anti-white racism. White player can quit because he has options. Poor blacks have no options other than football. That, of course, is due to white male racism, not the black players’ 80 IQ and culture of no fathers and not encouraging and actively making fun of being an “Oreo” trying to learn how to read.
http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12501613
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Ignorant Maurice Clarrett. Poor 80 IQ thug nigraz who rape womeinz while they are there are “shuffled through the college ranks” and then boo hoo hoo playing football is their only option, unlike “white privilege” whites who made it to the NFL despite an obvious genetic disadvantage and no favoritism, at all.
Maurice, of course, has nothing close to an ounce of understanding or even acknowledgement that these poor “victim” black players had no business being on a university campus, at all, with their 80 IQ and first grade reading level (if that) and were there, for free, on scholarship, as a gift, only because football and basketball give them an outlet and chance to be rich, when their only other “backup plan” is selling illegal narcotics, because of their inability as a culture to adopt to modern K selected society.
And YKWSPN pretends to have the same ignorance.
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Cheryl Strayed complains that her editor removed the word “clitoris” from her book, Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail. Hear it in this interview, at 2:35.
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Eatprayfuckedandchucked
Eatpraycumguzzledanddumped
Eatpraynumbedandchucked
LMAO!
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Some women’s game can/should be played. This is the idea of flipping the script.
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CH posted: “Rollo comments, concerning the de-stigmatization of polyamory subject, Making Up for Missing Out:
On a social scale it seem like the next deductive next step – blend a justifiable Eat Pray Love narrative with the more visceral (yet unignorable) sexual”
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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“wanton women pursuing the alpha fux”
it’s unfortunate, if we have to live through this time, that our women are likely (in aggregate) the least attractive ones to go through this cycle. i could use a little out-of-control promiscuity and partying as the titanic sinks, if women in general were more concerned about at least looking feminine
fat tattooed loud masculine unfriendly sluts. that’s a tough combination to have fun with
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You forgot nose ring like a cow
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There are worse places to find a metal ring, trust me.
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“if women in general were more concerned about at least looking feminine
fat tattooed loud masculine unfriendly sluts. that’s a tough combination to have fun with”
yep, why is it so hard to find a girl who wants to look like a girl?
even if they aren’t riddled with tattoos and piercings, most girls these days are dressed like they’re ready to go help someone move or go camping or something. every day they look like that. no effort to be feminine or attractive. jeans or faded out yoga pants, north face jackets or some other ugly fleece jacket. ugly frumpy shoes or flip flops every where they go. so lazy and gross.
no pretty shoes or long hair. even if it is a halfway decent length they will always have it up in a stupid bun or pony tail or they dye it ugly unnatural colors and put all kinds of holes in their ears so you see them when they have their hair up. disgusting
no skirts or dresses unless it’s a special occasion and even then they will usually complain about it or do something stupid to make it look “edgy” like they will do something ugly with their fingernail polish, wear weird shoes or do some strange thing with their hair. it’s like they are deliberately trying to uglify themselves. hardly ever see girls who just want to be pretty and enjoy showing off for you.
i actually had an argument with my girl recently before a wedding. she was planning to wear some dress pants and top. looked to me like office attire. not very attractive and it was some friends of mine who were getting married. kind of wanted her to look good. didn’t say that of course but i did say, hey, you should wear that dress you wore to blah blah blah. i like that one. wrong thing to say apparently, she said something like, well, i’m not spending all night being uncomfortable in a dress and heels just because you like it and i’m not going there to impress anyone anyway. nice huh?
apparently dresses and heels are akin to torture these days. if anyone finds a girl who actually enjoys wearing them, let me know, would ya?
and a girl with nice nails. i’d like to find one of those too. just nice pretty natural looking nails or that french manicure that some girls get. i hate, absolutely hate all these weird colors and designs that they are all doing now. tacky and not feminine at all.
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“Give women the run of the place and the Swirl is the inevitable result.”
I see what you did there, CH. White women always had a hankering to swirl…not to say that they never did secretly do so behind the backs of their beta bux hubbies.. It’s just that this time around it’s more out in the open.
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“There comes a time when a house has been so damaged by termites that you must not only kill the termites, but demolish the house — and build again.”
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We aren’t made of wood. The apter analogy is flesh, self-regenerating, but momentarily laid low with a serious disease. You destroy the disease or you die. There is no starting over, Sanjeep.
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More like cookie dough… but after a month of Fight Club, carved of wood.
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Men could easily prevent hypergamy if they were truly rational and in control. In other words, stop dating sluts and stop having sex with sluts. Eventually, the sluts will get lonely and realize that they have to learn to behave if they want to be loved.
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Agreed.
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Sluts aren’t hypergamous – whores are .. and whores are always most respectable. Just about the time you realize you love a whore – they’re asking themselves ‘Is He the best I can do?’. Sluts aren’t that discerning.
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If all are sluts with a nose ring like a cow, then that’s all we have to choose from. Men need sex, and Disney got to them starting when they were 5 years old. Teaching them to be like Miley Cyrus, the opposite of a lady in every way.
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Generally its bulls that have nose rings. Cows can be handled without them.
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A girl was recently telling me (post-bang) about how she went on a second date with a guy, and at the end of the date the guy made his move, and she told him, “no, I’m a good girl now.”
The guy had taken her on a dinner date and to a show. And got nothing. Not even a makeout session.
She was complaining to me that he was trying to have sex with her after just “two dinner dates.”
And there I was, laying next to her, post-bang, smiling at the fact I’ve never seen her outside the trail from her front door to her bedroom. Lol.
Another girl post-bang was telling me about a rich doctor she’d been dating, and how he seemed to be “only interested in getting in my pants.” They hadn’t yet had sex. Her and I have caught up only for sex, and once she even brought a six-pack of beer over. Heh. Poor doctor.
When you get really proficient at game, and deal with a lot of different women, you’ll get a stunningly real and shocking insight into the alpha fucks beta bux phenomenon. Girls will actively tell you about the dates they’re going on with betas without even registering the irony, like it’s a separate life they’re living. And they’ll wonder out loud to you why the betas on dates are unsuccesfully trying to get in their pants, while not even questioning the fact that you can get in there whenever you want.
Five minutes of alpha…
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Yup to all of this.
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The funny/twisted part is that the 2 dinner date dude and the doctor will both come on here and claim that these girls are unicorns who would never soberly have a bathroom fuck with some dude they’ve just met because they seem so reserved and are such good girls around them. And then tell me “wah wah YaReally, not all women are slutty!!! Your world view is biased!!”
And they’re technically right, those women AREN’T slutty…for THEM. Because they don’t make their ginas tingle.
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“not all women are slutty!”- Most women are slutty. Fixed it.
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“The funny/twisted part is that the 2 dinner date dude and the doctor will both come on here and claim that these girls are unicorns who would never soberly have a bathroom fuck with some dude they’ve just met because they seem so reserved and are such good girls around them. And then tell me “wah wah YaReally, not all women are slutty!!! Your world view is biased!!”
And they’re technically right, those women AREN’T slutty…for THEM. Because they don’t make their ginas tingle.”
Lol this. So much this.
I recently hit 100 notches, and believe me gentlemen, all girls are sluts. Yes all of them. Especially that innocent looking one in your friend group you have been pining for who’d never even had a boyfriend, yeah she fucked me within the first hour of meeting me, without a condom, and I came on her face and she loved it. Sorry brahs.
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Nupe. Nupe to all this.
There you go again trying to defend your thimble-sized “world view” in the company of those know better. What’s worse is that none of your slavering little yes-men have it in them to do anything other than nod along when you are issuing one of your grandiose pontifications — when all you’re really doing is trying to boast like a little boy about his big dick. True, all women “AREN’T slutty” by their nature, but our undefeated stud YaReally has never failed to turn them into one.
Wigger, please.
Even if it were the case that you have never found a “unicorn” who was immune to your paint-by-number, IKEA-manual “charms” — astronomically unlikely in itself, though you’d never tell — your attempt to universalize a concept falls apart under a much likelier one: self-selection. Low class hangs out with low class, and imagines refinement itself to be a superficial act because it is simply beyond the prole’s ability to imagine a creature other than his lowly self. The women at my local dive like it when I piss in their mouth … therefore ALL women secretly like piss in their mouth!
Look: women aren’t the button down, prim princesses some men imagine them to be (for sad psychological reasons). But you take this “discovery” and turn it into a universal maxim. Whatever insight you might have gained is ruined by its spastic overapplication.
You’d do well to treat this forum as the only place that will call out your hyper-pooah bullshit and therefore make you better, rather than as the corner bar where you go daily to get a shot of fake self-esteem, like a girl whoring for facebook likes.
Matt
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“piss in their mouth”
Or, in YaReaaaally’s case: Shit on her chest.
(((Shakin’ it more furiously than Greg)))
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@Mr Meaner
5 minutes of Alpha, a lifetime of solitude!
Alphafucksbetabucks
Alphafucksbetadumbchucksheh
AlphafuckBetawunk
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Do you feel any urge to laugh at and mock them and tell then to shut the fuck up, just to fuck with their heads? It would be worth it at least once just to see the reaction. Like telling a giro you dont believe in fidelity to get her to admit she cheats on her boyfriend then immediately change your tune and say shes disgusting and you said it just to catch her . Hah!
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“Girls will actively tell you about the dates they’re going on with betas without even registering the irony”
Been there.
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Reminds me: I’ve had several girls tell me on first dates about the guys who text them endlessly, never realizing they’re being led on. Every time, I would take her phone and start messaging the dude. I’d text him like she would, then I’d tell him who I was and to quit trying so hard.
This was always greeted with uproarious laughter from the girl, and it usually led to nothing less than a blow job before night’s end.
It still amuses me that these girls were so comfortable fucking with someone’s head so much.
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@benson
“It still amuses me that these girls were so comfortable fucking with someone’s head so much.”
that’s bc they don’t see those guys (betas) as human…you know, with feelings and shit…just like CH has had several posts on…betas are a separate species to girls…it’s just part of the observational predictions that lead me to know that game is accurate…
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“that’s bc they don’t see those guys (betas) as human…you know, with feelings and shit”
Oh, I know. But having been both guys in the scenario I described, I still have to shake my head at that kind of behavior.
One of the girls even bitched at me later for being so mean to her “friend,” because she thought I wouldn’t hang out with her again. I just told her that I had fun and she was thinking too much. Her bitchiness disappeared instantly.
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@benson
“Oh, I know. But having been both guys in the scenario I described, I still have to shake my head at that kind of behavior.”
i’ve been on both sides, too…lol…i try to help guys out, but i’ve found that most guys don’t want to even consider that they might need to change their approach. that’s why i encourage and help guys here…bc they’re putting in the work/effort to change and get better…
“One of the girls even bitched at me later for being so mean to her “friend,” because she thought I wouldn’t hang out with her again. I just told her that I had fun and she was thinking too much. Her bitchiness disappeared instantly.”
and your responding to her subcomms like that = alpha = ping her tingle circuit…a beta response would have been you arguing with her about whether you were mean or not…
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@ having a bad day
You’re right about getting help. I used to think that learning game was stupid, that I’d get better with girls naturally. Glad I woke up.
Anyway, the closest I got to helping was texting one of the guys, “Pump the brakes bitch. You got no game,” after he got angry.
Also, lol’d at “tingle circuit.”
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@Benson
My first deliberate GAME execution was with a married woman. While she was naked in my hotel room her phone was blowing up. At one point I grabbed it, she under me, and I said “who is John? GIVE me your code I’ll answer it” and she cackled and laughed and said “noooooo noooooo nooooooo hahahahahh!!! He’d kill me…. Hahahhahaha”
20 minutes earlier she was bemoaning to me how he doesn’t pay any attention to her etc. They had been married just 2 years. Here she was with a guy she didn’t even know his name, just met 40 minutes ago…. And she’s texting back to his calls “just leaving be home soon xoxo”… And she is totally cool with this. Like we had known each other for 5 years, he is really just a different entity.
The red pill went all the way down that night.
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@ Anonymous Watching a woman mock her upstanding husband/boyfriend/”friend” solely because he’s a nice guy was probably one of the most educational experiences of my life. It definitely reinforced the importance of learning all of this stuff.
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Yes, women are stupid.
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@Mr. Meaner…my recent experiences too. A girl I’m banging laughs at how all her friends hen-peck their bf’s….she’s basically a fb and talks about her own escapades….but the minute there’s a hint I’m seeing another girl, she’s quizzing me constantly in a “joking” way…: “Are you banging her tonite?”
I of course never let on beyond: “Behave” and “hahahaha” or in person: “Discretion is the better part of valour…”
The other thing I’m noticing is that girls I’m gaming….often it’s not “What” they say but how quickly they return the text.
If I send off a photo of my lunch and I get a reply back in 2 minutes of “Yummy”…that’s very different from getting it back 2 hours later.
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I have a momentous discovery to reveal.
Women are sophisticated enough to deliberately delay responding, so one thing to watch for is “Texting Delay Delta”.
It’s how much faster she responds once she starts responding after calculated pauses.
If she is into you, once you restart, she gets all excited and will respond quickly, not thinking in terms of manipulation, power, and being disingenuous.
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Texting Delay Delta–brilliant!
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Ya Really,
I think a lot of dudes have the problem of not disqualifying themselves as boyfriend material. This is a really underestimated part of game. If she makes up her mind that you’re a potential boyfriend, put down your glasses and get ready for some serious blue balls.
I think lot of guys are still operating on that worn-out three-date premise.
There’s no “dating” anymore. There’s hooking up, and there’s the road to boyfriend. Dating will give you the latter.
Funnily enough, hooking up gives you both options anyway. Transitioning a girl from hooking up to dating, ha……all you have to do is wake up in the morning.
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Yup to all of that.
A lot of well-off dudes meet a girl who’s down to fuck that night and then they pull up in their BMW and take her to their expensive condo and suddenly she’s “not that kind of girl” because if she puts out she probably won’t hear from him again and she sees a sick provider meal ticket so she suddenly wants to make him wait for sex to try to hook him as a provider.
A big part of why I’m able to pull off the multiple fuckbuddies who know about eachother etc. thing is that I disqualify myself as boyfriend/provider material from the start. They know I’m just for sex, so all that stuff is congruent to me and it’s fine to fuck me right away.
If they decide they want something more stable I’ll lose them for a few months while they try dating some provider guy but most of the time he’s boring to her and the sex with me was better because I understand the whole seduction process to make it amazing, and she comes back to me either while stringing him along or after she breaks it off with him.
Even if I suddenly become rich and successful and own 5 BMWs and a mansion with 3 pools, I would drive a piece of shit around girls and have some plain little bachelor pad for banging them in. If they earn being a bigger part of my life THEN they can know about my wealth.
When you understand this perspective, all the guys spending their 20s and early 30s in an office working 100hr weeks to become a rich CEO, doctor, lawyer, etc with the intention of “when I’m rich and have a high-status job I’ll get laid like crazy” seem misguided since even if they achieve all that, 1) it can often hinder them if they flaunt it so they’ll figure out they have to keep it a secret to avoid girls who won’t put out and golddiggers anyway, and 2) all that time they spent in an office is time they didn’t spend learning to approach and open and charm and seduce women so their game is weak on top of it.
It’s easy to convert a fuckbuddy to a girlfriend, you just see her more than once a week. It’s very very very difficult to make a girl who sees you as a boyfriend or boyfriend material, see you as a fuckbuddy.
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Interesting. Will have to think about this one.
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What is your net worth?
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@Putin
It’s a mind-fuck. Tyler talks about rich guys taking his bootcamp with specifically that issue all the time. But it makes sense: society teaches us to believe that “having good provider potential will net you a quality girl”. So guys think “ok if I focus on becoming a Doctor, then I’ll get a girl” and plod off to be successful.
But society doesn’t say how the “get a girl” part will happen just like when a girl says “don’t turn him into an asshole he’s a NICE GUY” and you say “ok will YOU fuck him?” and she goes “no but SOMEONE will”, she can’t fill in how that’s actually going to happen. And the guy never questions it because everyone from all angles in society is telling him the same message that it’ll “just happen”. Then it doesn’t happen. And people tell him to keep waiting and waiting. Eventually that guy meets some 30+ single mom through his social circle or work and settles with a woman farrrrr lower quality than he should’ve been able to get…AND that girl makes him wait 3 months worth of dates to have sex lol
Is it good to have money? Sure, it gives you easier access to environments with girls and you have less stress and all that shit. There are definitely benefits. But there are drawbacks too, that guys don’t think about until they happen to them and go “…well shit, why did I waste my 20s doing a job I don’t even like when every time I tell a girl about it she makes me date her for a month before she’ll blow me and none of these girls will settle for casual sex they all want to be monogamous girlfriends to me but I want a variety of women!!” Like that $5k watch you’re sporting is awesome for getting attention but 1) that watch is helping her put you in the “potential provider” category and 2) she’s not gonna’ notice your watch if I’m in set with you two. 😉
I’ve partied with rich as fuck social circles and poor as fuck social circles and it all comes down to the same shit lol The rich dudes still got laid here and there but 1) not nearly as often as people (including themselves) assumed they would, 2) they have a lot more girls trying to put them in provider roles and making them take them on dates etc, and 3) at last call they hit up whorehouses a LOT more than you would expect because they can afford to and don’t think about what the consequences of building “I have to pay women for them to want to fuck me” wiring in their brain will be down the road.
Best Natural I know was poor as shit. He was slaying poon left and right because girls knew there was no way he was going to provide for them lol Being poor and pulling girls does WONDERS for shattering your limiting beliefs about what girls find attractive lol
@Anonymous
“What is your net worth?”
Like negative $50k lol About 200 bucks in my bank account with a ton of debt racked up. No assets like a car or anything. People would shit a brick if they saw the details of my financial situation and wonder how I somehow seem to be living a good quality of life (nice apartment, healthy eating, hot <25yo fuckbuddies, etc.) But I'm working on my career over the next couple years, so I'll dig myself out of the hole and be fine. That's why I'm inside working tonight instead of out all night drinking green beer for St. Patty's lol
Monk mode for me this year, right now I'm down to one night out sarging a month and having to turn down (and lose, whoops lol) fuckbuddies to focus on work, which is ass but you do what you gotta' do. I expect to have my financials on track and be back to full 2-3 nights a week sarging mode and a full harem of hotties within 2 years.
More info/philosophy on why I'm fine with my financial situ here:
http://yareallyarchive.com/2014/9/#comment-heartiste-616681
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yup, you can be too good. embarrassingly, it took me YEARS to figure this out. game got tighter and tighter, girls kept wanting to tag me.
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@YaReally I used to buy girls shit and be a really nice guy and never got laid. Now I do nice things for girls–mostly it doesn’t cost a cent. I DJ’d a party the other weekend. For girls I was gaming, I would tell them in advance…I created the next set of songs for you…Then I’d dance with them.
They got the feeling I went out of my way…but in actual fact I just compiled the songs, then found sets I liked and went to girls I was gaming and told them that.
Their eyes would light up. cost=nothing. Nothing “beta” about it…clearly they got the idea I was gaming them but they loved it.
Contrast that with the idiot who buys his girlfriend shit or tries to do her favours.
That 27 year old I was banging who went off…she’s now back. Dude she’s seeing is offering all sort of favours…but she wants to “please” me…go figure…All we do is fuck. When we meet I may pay for dinner…but even then it’s once a week or even longer….
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@putin
nothing to think about. that’s how it works… and ya, that’s a big part of the red pill bitterness…just choke it down…lol…
girls are constantly trying to put guys into beta provider roles. that’s their default setting…there are very good evolutionary reasons for that (you can look them up if you are interested, it’s been covered here and at Rational Male)… and shit tests are the way they do that. and that’s also how you should look at handling shit tests = avoid being slotted into beta provider/orbiter status…think about what a ‘good bf’ would do…then, do the opposite of that…lol…
if you know how to handle shit testing and avoid getting slotted into beta provider/orbiter role, you ping her alpha tingles circuits and ‘bang!’…(pun intended…lol). girls can’t even help themselves…lol…the rare girl might…MIGHT…be able to overcome her hindbrain/hamsterizing to not have sex with you, but that’s not likely, and most likely means that you didn’t flip one of her ‘switches’ in proper sequence…
@wala
“Their eyes would light up. cost=nothing. Nothing “beta” about it…clearly they got the idea I was gaming them but they loved it.”
that’s bc they see you as alpha already. if they saw you as a beta provider, they would just think you were ‘try hard’ and still not sex you up…lol…
“That 27 year old I was banging who went off…she’s now back. Dude she’s seeing is offering all sort of favours…but she wants to “please” me…”
have you made her clean your apartment, yet?…lol…
good luck!
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Ya, you seem particularly aware of this, so I’ll tap you for tips:
How do you properly disqualify yourself as LTR or BF material early on? I’m a 6’4″ athletic white dude who fits the “conventionally good looking” archetype, but I’m really an artistic goofball with a dark, sarcastic sense of humor, and I do well with some challenge and a bit of antagonization. Problem is, most girls are just super polite to me (or intimidated by my size maybe?), and don’t give me much to work with unless I provoke it.
Bigger problem is when our banter reveals that I come from a nice family, I’m employed, on track to do medicine and research as a career, and I went to a good school. Even if I get the girl attracted with playful game and some body contact, they often seem to calculate “I’ll make him wait a few dates for sex so he knows I’m not easy” almost right away.
I had a particularly painful experience (in retrospect) where I met a girl at a house party, had powerful chemistry, charmed her with eye contact and off-the-wall, borderline offensive talk, made her giggle, basically warmed her up for three hours…only to have her get swooped and fucked by some other guy at the end of the night. This was before I had any knowledge of game or female psychology. We met up a few weeks later, I was irritated but still attracted to her, so I planned to just fuck and take off asap. We hit it off again, had sex a month later, and then dated for a year and a half. It was awesome, she treated me like a god, but the circumstances of that first night always ate at me.
What pisses me off is that somehow I was the guy who made her “not that kind of girl” whereas other guys telegraph a “sex now” vibe. If you are a dude who has his shit together, takes care of himself, and actually is good LTR material, how do you avoid giving off the “I’ll make him wait” signal?
In the years since, I’ve learned a TON from CH and other resources and have seen improvement, but this is a fundamental missing piece.
Any feedback/anecdotes from the readership are welcome…
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And don’t get me wrong I’m not saying money is bad or that all guys who have money are showering girls with free drinks and shit ’cause the guys who learn about not supplicating learn not to do that stuff.
But it doesn’t matter whether the guy spends it or not, some girls will offer to pay for shit or split the bill to try to stand out and seem different if she thinks she’s going to get rewarded on her investment with a rich provider down the road…girls aren’t completely retarded, if she sees an expensive watch/shoes/suit on you her girl-brain is already turning thinking “hmm, this guy could potentially be a provider if he doesn’t think I’m a worthless slut” even though that guy didn’t spend a dime on her and turns down buying her a drink.
Although even then, a girl doesn’t expect a bum like me to buy her a drink so she won’t even ask me to and if she does and I don’t then that’s completely expected behavior from me. But the guy in the suit with the fancy watch/shoes should have enough $ to buy her a drink or pick up the tab for dinner so she’s going to expect it and if he doesn’t do it because he’s read some game stuff, it can turn into bigger drama than it should have because for that guy to not buy it either he’s running some kind of technique or he’s cheap and she can end up more determined to get him to do it and now you two are focused on this drink drama instead of seduction, etc.
Again I’m not saying dudes with money don’t get laid at all or CAN’T get same-night lays…I’m just saying there’s shit to consider when you have money/success and and understanding female psychology can help tighten your shit up more consistently.
@dirkdiggly
I have a bunch of stuff I do from over the years as I figured this out.
My looks disqualify me from the start, I’m an average looking average height dude and I dress in just a plain t-shirt and $20 shoes unless there’s a dress code I can’t get past where I throw on a plain dress shirt and $60 black shoes. Ideally I like to dress as down as I can get away with while still getting into the club…in a room full of dudes in suits and girls dolled up to the 9s the guy in a t-shirt and sneakers is clearly not the guy who’s going to be the millionaire boyfriend they’re hoping to land lol I would rather get a “why is this scrubby guy approaching us?” look than an “oboy that guy is coming over to talk to us” look ’cause I can charm my way through resistance and win them over with the former, but the latter girls are already picturing taking me home to meet the parents. Also there’s the whole “maybe he’s so rich that he can get in here looking like a bum” mystery to it.
Also I’ve got a bit of a beer belly so visually I’m not a guy she would bring around her friends to make them jealous about how lucky she is, esp if she’s an 8+/10 who people would expect to have some dude that’s, well, YOU lol. I’ve had girls who will fuck me in secret so their friends don’t find out which works out great for me because I don’t have to turn down gay invitations to do date-stuff with her and her friends…she’ll txt me when she’s horny and the chodes at the bar are boring her and sneak off to bang me, not expect me to come out and waste my night entertaining her friends and trying to impress them so they approve of me dating her.
I don’t tell girls what I do for work, I just brush it off or make low-value shit up and change the subject to ask them about themselves instead. So she might ask someone else about his job and investigate all the details of it so she can narrow down what kind of money he makes but with me the conversation about what I do is over in 5 seconds and we’ve moved on so there’s nothing for her to evaluate me on. Plus again there’s some mystery to it like “is he so rich he doesn’t want to come off as bragging” but it’s usually the golddigger types who think on that level and it’s super funny when they do ’cause you can tell lol
And then in rapport/comfort I drop a LOT of personal routines that demonstrate my views of sex and relationships and fuckbuddies and monogamy etc so that she learns very quickly that I’m not in that “I’m looking for a wife I can monogamously love and cherish” category because a guy like that wouldn’t say the things I’m saying or have the attitudes I have.
So like, I’ll build rapport through stories about sex. “oh a 50 Shades fan? You and I will get along just fine then. Should we use your handcuffs or mine?” Already that’s implying that I’m a Lover not a Provider. Then I’ll go into stuff like “I knew this one girl who loved having sex in public. We got through out of a bar for bla bla” so I’m implying that I’ve had sexual partners and adventurous sex and I’m saying it took place in a bar which is kind of sleazy…a Provider isn’t going to fuck a girl in a bar bathroom but a Lover would. Then I’ll throw in stuff like “She was wild but I had to break it off with her…she got too clingy and was like “when are we going to go on a REAL date??” ughhhh lol” which is laying the framework of “I don’t like clingy girls, I don’t date, and I will break up with girls who fall in love with me” which again isn’t the behavior/attitude of a Provider but a Lover. Often she’ll say “ugh I know, guys are so lame now they all want me to be their girlfriend when I just want to get fucked, this guy took me on 3 dates and wouldn’t make a move and I was like come on man up already I need to get laid” (thanks feminism lol) and we’ll bond over that and I’ll make fun of how lame monoLTRs are and usually throw some stuff about how I don’t care if a girl shops around for a real boyfriend while we fuck I just hope everyone finds whatever they’re looking for and now I’ve got a casual fuckbuddy relationship frame set up with her and there’s not really any reason for her NOT to fuck me if I smoothly venue change to my place and escalate because she knows exactly who I am and what our time together is going to lead to.
So while you’re talking about how your mom made you apple pie and your dad threw a baseball around with you in the back yard till you entered med school and the exams are tough but you really like helping people bla bla–, I’m brushing off work talk and laying out Lover frames.
15 minutes with you and she’s like “this guy would be a great boyfriend”. 15 minutes with me and she’s like “this guy would be a great fuckbuddy.”
If externally you look like a Provider, then actively work on disqualifying yourself as a Provider. And if that still isn’t enough then actively work on disqualifying yourself as a Provider while ALSO laying the framework that you’re a Lover.
I could get laid without most of this because I don’t actively look like a Provider by default, but I have a specific type of casual FB arrangement that I like and works for my life, so I take a VERY pro-active role in shaping that frame when I approach girls.
The funniest thing I learned when I started experimenting with this was that girls don’t care if you aren’t LTR/boyfriend material as long as they know what you ARE. Like the Joker says “nobody panics when things go “according to plan” even if that plan is horrifying”. She will happily fuck a guy who isn’t BF material as long as she KNOWS he isn’t BF material. It’s like I am predictably safe to have as a Lover because she can trust that I’m going to give her a fun/hot seduction experience and bang her good when she needs it and that I’m not going to get all weepy emo clingy on her and make drama for her or try to get her to break up with her BF/hubby etc. So she can just fully embrace our casual fuckbuddy relationship because I’ve laid out very clearly what her place in my life is.
I found this out hardcore when I had an LTR and was experimenting with telling girls about her lol So I would tell them my Primary comes first and have her picture on my nightstand etc. and instead of the girls being repulsed they would not only happily be Secondary FBs to her and not demand any kind of relationship stuff from me but some of them would actively try to help my LTR by listing wines and restaraunts I should take her to. lol I was like “wtf??” But they were happy because I had a very specific “this is the slot you can fit in in my life, if that’s cool, awesome, if not then we don’t have to hang out I’m fine with it either way.”
It’s like if you met someone that you KNEW was always late for everything and who SAYS “I’m always late for everything” you could almost trust that person’s “flaws” to be consistent and predictable…VS someone else who tells you they’re never late and then is late where you’re like “jeeze, I trusted you to be something else and then you turned out to be this”.
Experiment with disqualifying yourself. Tell girls you work at some middle of the road job or are taking some middle of the road school course instead of med school lol And/or throw in some fuckbuddy frames and pro-actively set yourself up as a Lover…I have a buddy who tells girls he’s so busy with work that he doesn’t have time for serious relationships and that girls end up hating him because they keep wanting him to be their boyfriend and he doesn’t have the time. So even though he’s not being as sexual as I am, he’s setting the same frame of “look we can have casual sex but don’t expect more from me”. So be creative and come up with shit that works for you and your personality/lifestyle.
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I tell girls my story about going to a boarding school for boys (high school) leading me to have to pick up girls for same night action since they would be leaving on the bus that night and relationships were impossible at my school.
That pretty much puts me in the non-bf category. Even my college gf wanted action after she broke up with me because I told her I wasn’t going to med school.
Also, me being a married man and going out clubbing tends to put me in the tomcat bucket.
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“Yep to all of that” … Is that the new “This”?
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DD: “only to have her get swooped and fucked by some other guy at the end of the night.. We hit it off again, had sex a month later, and then dated for a year and a half…”
DD, you’re not in an Alpha Sociopath Dark Triad frame of mind. Why would you REWARD an humiliation like that with a year and a half of dating?!? She wore the pants in that relationship and she shat all over you. Never allow yourself to be humiliated like that. YOU ARE THE PRIZE. Her reward for the initial humiliation should have been her getting narked up out of her mind on Ecstasy one night and a video of a German Shepherd mounting her and bestializing her ass being uploaded to xHamster the next day. She should NEVER have been rewarded with the bliss of your awesome manhood between her legs.
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@Dirk…how do you disqualify yourself as bf material? The real issue and question for you is “How do I properly sexualize my approach so I can decide?”
The way I now do this very early in the gaming interaction is after the initial attraction, then comfort and rapport, I say: “Have you ever had a foreign lover?”
That “Foreign” could: Latin, tall, red haired….whatever you are.
By saying this it moves the conversation from “boyfriend” to “lover” ie …banging her.
This conversation I’ve had both with girls I game in person and through text has helped to focus my interaction.
There are a few that waste my time but I don’t let them get away with it beyond a few meet ups or interactions.
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Found this from 2010 CH-
“Five minutes of alpha — even worse, five minutes of alpha rejection — can fuck with the heads of even the most desirable women. And continue fucking with them years later. In comparison — if the reports are to be believed — women who divorce beta schlubs after years of marriage pretty much forget them before the ink is dry on the papers.”
Priceless! I have seen this many times.
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beware tinder users. things are getting weird out there.
http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/tinder-users-sxsw-are-falling-woman-shes-not-what-she-appears-163486
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CH, not sure exactly how polyamory is bad for alphas
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Who said it was? Society is not made up of alphas. Its average men and average women living under the influence of the elites. And the Jews.
I couldnt help but laugh when the news outlets reported on Giulianis Obama comments last month. As they cut to the various clips of politicians and lobbyists having heart attacks, it was NY Jew after NY Jew.
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This
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cause the girls be uuuuugly?!
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Living in fear solves nothing. Not giving a Shit seems to solve almost everything.
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Takeaways from reading the article about Eat Pray Slut:
*Woman’s motivation for slutting around on her husband was his not agreeing to have kids. Lesson: don’t deny your wife a kid. She will get her own back.
*Woman was unhappy to learn that while she was banging a lot of guys, her hubby was banging just one girl — twenty years younger than she was. “He broke it off” (sure) “later.”
*The entire book seems both “look at me! MEEEE!” ala Happy Hooker, Fear of Flying, etc. plus “Happy ending” where the woman “trades up” to some cool writer or something she did while doing the hot pool boy on the side. So no kids, but “great sex.”
BIGGEST Takeaway: There are so many she-beasts of fattitude that even an aging post-menopausal woman of 44 can find FBs. Women would not pull Eat Pray Slut if they had lots of (slender) competition.
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I give the US five more years before the shit well and truly hits the fan and an economic collapse that will make the 2008 crash look like a picnic ensues.
This will be the only thing to counter or tame the rampant hypergamy of American women.
Red Pill Alphas with money will never have it better,
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Doomsayers are so booooooooring…. trying to get attention and hoping for the future to support the arguments they can’t support with current facts
Doomsayers=wimps and shiners. Adapt, migrate or die.
Ohhhhh you’d have to move your giant flat screen TV, and miss some steroid concussion football. Can’t have that, can we?
I’m in the Philippines, bitches. Here you see what doom is REALLY like, and how people cheerfully and politely cope with it, not like you 1% whiners.
You fairies.
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Heh, heh… the Snarky Jerkoff outs himself as expatriot pedo in the slums of the Pacific… as if the monicker wasn’t enough of a tell.
And now copping my GGR homage? lzlzozlzozlzozlzolzozlozlozlozl
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You really put me in my place there.
Almost hurt my feelings.
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Weimar Germany, too, before its rebirth under a patriarchal epoch which unfortunately insufficiently and belatedly weeded out the psychopaths who are otherwise so crucial to the early stages of revolution, welcomed the indignities of wanton women pursuing the alpha fux/beta bux (sometimes not even bothering with the beta bux) lifestyle.
Hardly. Maybe if your idea of Weimar Germany comes from an English homosexual who lived in Berlin or Nazi political propaganda, you might believe that. The USA in the 1920 had far more female sexual libertinism than Weimar Germany. London wasn’t much better – Evelyn Waugh’s early novels are full of ball-busting women abusing their pathetic beta husbands.
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While we wait for the “mod that does not end”… If you want a great example of female hypergamy in action, check out Tom Wolfe’s “Back to Blood”.
Female character – a 10 – goes from working class girl to plaything of Russian oligarch by stepping through “paper alpha” HS boyfriend cop, then her boss – a wealthy plastic surgeon – and then the Russian. Wolfe is very red pill aware, some great perspectives from the female POV on hypergamy, alpha, beta and the swift “decay” and rationalizations about relationships and feelings when greener pastures are in sight. Other than that book not one of his best efforts.
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Both Russia and China smell the stank of rotting feminism here and are emboldened.
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>>Both Russia and China smell the stank of rotting
>>feminism here and are emboldened
See Obama’s National Security Advisor Susan Rice to confirm that one.
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I like the comment YaReally posted. when you treat the game as an experiment, as something to fine-tune each day, that seems to eliminate a lot of the pressure that guys here put on themselves in finding/dealing with girls. instead your mindset becomes “I wonder how she would react if I said/did this vs. this”
women are not that serious. they’re just animals. you can dominate them, quite easily in fact if you just think about how to. people worrying about divorce, implosion of civilization, feminism, etc. to an unnecessary extent need to chill out. know the risks, and keep them in the background, but don’t let them dictate your mental state.
also
“Living in fear solves nothing. Not giving a Shit seems to solve almost everything.”
strange how that works eh? truer words never spoken.
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Wild oats? Sorry Missus, only men can sow their oats. Out, not in, see?
For the laydeez, the apposite metaphor is “stirring the porridge”. Or rather, from her obsessively subjective perspective, having her porridge stirred (just as well, in case it sticks and burns).
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Moderators, either keep up on the moderation or get a better grade of forum software.
Jesus H. Christ. (((shakin’ mah haid)))
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