The really illuminating lesson of this photo is the tacit realization that its inverse wouldn’t be nearly as revealing of the participants’ SMVs. If a hot girl was in the arms of a shlubby beta male, no one would mistake her as the female version of “beta”. She would still be a hot chick. A hot chick with a really lucky beta boyfriend who must have some compensating SMV-boosting traits. No one would negatively reassess her looks (the bulk of a woman’s SMV) because her boyfriend didn’t appear to be “in her league”.
In contrast, people DO reassess the SMV of men based on the physical attractiveness of their girlfriends. A handsome man with an ugly girlfriend isn’t a quirky love match; it’s a tell that the handsome man has unattractive personality qualities which decrease the potential return on his looks. Similarly, an ugly man with a beautiful girlfriend immediately prompts musings that he’s got cash, got flash, got mast, or some combination of all three plus the rarefied “charisma”.
An ugly girl with a handsome boyfriend isn’t the fortunate recipient of positive reassessment from onlookers. An ugly man with a pretty girlfriend *does* receive revisited glowing reviews. This photo is sort of a Voight-Kampff empathy test, reminding viewers that the sexual market values of men are women are intuitively assessed very differently by impartial strangers, because the measure of a man is nothing like the measure of a woman.
In short:
Ugly man with a hot girlfriend is an alpha male.
Handsome man with an ugly girlfriend is a beta male.
Ugly woman with a handsome boyfriend is still an ugly woman.
Hot woman with an ugly boyfriend is still a hot woman.
[…] Spot The Beta Male […]
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how did you getz da pictures from da GBFMs weddingz!???!?! dis was takenz three minutesaz after she ate the wedidng cakesz!!
when we were married she was hotsz and slimz!
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I’m surprised nobody touched on the simplest and most understandable explanation of all.
Dude is married. His wife put on weight.
The girls are four sisters. Subtract 40 pounds from the sand whale and you’ll see it. She was the pick of the crop
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TWO PEOPLE Have Filed OVER 1,700 Sex Discrimination Complaints With Dept. Of Education http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3271913/posts
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“Catherine E. Lhamon, the Education Department’s secretary for civil rights, won’t identify these two highly litigious individuals. Lhamon, an Obama appointee, cited confidentiality rules as the reason…”
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The woman on the left, wearing white and seated on the fellow’s shoulders should be seated in the other direction with her legs draped over his back.
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She might be pregnant… That is all I got to redeem him with.
The guy holding the girl in the hat must be doing something right as he’s got that skinny fat thing going on.
[CH: she may be pregnant, but i doubt it. it’s a fatty fat fatso post hoc rationalization that pregnant women must necessarily bloat up 50 pounds white pregnant. a healthy, height-weight proportionate slender pregnant woman won’t put on much more fatty weight than the weight added by the baby.]
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haha no way the ho is preggo!
maybe with peanut better snickers
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She ain’t pregnant… look at them thighs…
… or if she is pregnant, she was bloated long before and now is only in the early stages, so be afraid in the near future… be very afraid.
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Pregnancy or no, he’s the tallest, most handsome, most physically fit of the four guys, and he’s also the only one who’s noticeably frowning. Poor guy.
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And the height disparity – he looks 5’10” [very tall for an armadillo], whereas she looks to be more like a 4’10” enchilada. Take about marrying !!!DOWN¡¡¡
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Maybe she ate too many empanadas right before this photo was taken.
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Right before?
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@captain obvious, he’s the tallest and the fittest and he is frowning because Alpha’s frown. Women are attracted to men who frown. Smiling appears to feminine and submissive.
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Some bird,
No.
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Pregnancy is NOT an excuse to eat everything and become a hambeast.
Fuck me.
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Not true. most women bloat/maintain water (the body does that intentionally but she has no control over it) plus if that were true why are women who look amazing before and after pregnancy gain so much weight during pregnancy. The body forces women to eat to ensure the delivery of a safe and healthy baby.
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Edema (the term you were referring to, designed so at the end a womans body can maintain BP) isn’t an excuse for attention whoring and eating ALL THE FOOD. Men refuse to marry these days so dumb broads are getting their narcissistic supply fix by making sure everybody knows they are preggo.
The new “bridezillas”. What a waste of air.
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Retarded. Edema is caused by an end of pregnancy hormonal adjustment to maintain BP.
Stick to Anime and Furry conventions eh?
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I’ve seen plenty of thin women with pregnancy bloat and while they do look (temporarily) puffy, they definitely don’t look like that.
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big difference between a normal and (?) healthy edema and the effect of Reeses on a bored fat chick.
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Ticklecum you are a joke here, no one thinks your words are smart or ever useful. How often you post here really shows how pathetic your ‘real life’ must be.
Come on, drop some sort of tired anime-hate comment, loser.
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Never dude. Anime gets em wet homie.
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I don’t think she is pregnant, I was just offering it as a defense.
If she started thick thighs/booty (highly possible for a latina) and decided to “enjoy” her pregnancy this body would be possible, pre 6-7 month range. After that you end up with the hayden panettiere look where the belly hangs low.
I feel his hand placement on the belly is awkward, at first I thought it was the height difference, but he could just as easily have it around her hips rather than cupping her fat.
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“I feel his hand placement on the belly is awkward, at first I thought it was the height difference, but he could just as easily have it around her hips rather than cupping her fat.”
i think he’s got his hands there as an attempt to cover up some of her gut for the photo.
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Hand placement? He can’t lift her…. Few could.
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Even if she is pregnant, she doesn’t need to eat for two adults.
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The only bone you can throw the guy is that he jumped on the grenade for his buddies. Still beta.
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he also has the coolest trunks.
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She’s obviously pregnant. They are both holding her distended womb.
Sheesh. A mountain out of a swolehill.
Or are we splitting hairs about how much weight a pregnant woman can put on before the alpha abandons the mother of his child?
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Been decided. 15-20. maybe 25.
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It’s way more than pregnancy… those thighs tell the tale.
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Not convinced she’s pregnant but that would only make him even more beta in my book.
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“Hey, I got an idea for a picture, we will all put our girls on our shoulders” says the dude with the finest girlfriend while he grins snidely at señor fattyfucker.
Señor fattyfucker: “fuck all that I’ll just hold her”
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Shouldn’t have skipped the leg day.
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Golden Rule # 1
If you can’t carry it, don’t marry it
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this is brazil. The same stupid rules the spergs use on women here are irrelevant there. They get radar lock on English speakers. You pick up chicks by saying hi.
Chicks there put out and don’t play bullshit games and they don’t think 31 is the new 21. Women in late 20s there have a VERY strong sense of their own aging.
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Totally untrue, my sister put on 50pounds when pregnant. She was was tall and skinny.
Lost most of it since giving birth but I she still overweight, but I guess we are all lucky to be tall.
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Naw, bro. She’s fat.
A pregnant belly on a hot chick will be out of proportion with her appendages. In this case, her arms and legs are in proportion to her belly.
That’s beans and bean dip, bro.
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In her bra.
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Friend of mine is tall, good looking, has a British accent and is a philosophy professor. He’s 40. His wife is 51 and frumpy. Sometimes I wonder what the co-eds think when they see him with her.
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British accent… philosophy prof?
I’ll tell you what they’re thinking, in one word…
Beard.
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Or else she’s about to receive a very serious inheritance?
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Or her daddy was the dean.
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Captain Obvious–And then they find the old dame the next day, by a wheelchair at the bottom of the stairs…
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Brits are the n!ggers of Europe — they seem to have a higher tolerance for fat and ugly women than most other Europeans.
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Enforced tolerance is not tolerance
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Probably because they’re basically European-America.
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Probably because they’re basically European-America.
I think you mean, “European Americans are basically Brits”. Sort of, but not quite. Thank the good Lord we got all those Germans in the 19th century.
It is apparently true of Irish, Australians, and New Zealanders, though. Better-looking men get with fugs all the time in all three countries, just like in the UK. As I’ve said before, think of the mating patterns of British Isles stock as the reverse of that of Russians.
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it’s by necessity – have you seen what most british women look like? it’s the result of generations of inbreeding.
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I want the me of 20 years ago to knock up this BRITISH fug in her prime:
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SERIOUS PUPPY LOVE – might even throw her a nice hard mercy f*ck:
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If that woman’s genes don’t make a permanent imprint in the Tree of Life, then it would be a crime against Nature. MORE BRITISH FUGS FTW!!!
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Hugh Jackman’s and Clive Owen’s selections of wife are other good examples. Even British Hollywood stars dumpster-dive quite often.
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Females think it’s Love
Men think she must be wild in the sack.
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Nope, there’s no brand of wild in the sack that makes up for that.
Dat bish fat
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[…] Spot The Beta Male […]
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Death threat in bodybuilders’ love triangle http://nypost.com/2015/03/23/bodybuilder-threatens-to-kill-ex-girlfriend-and-her-new-beau/
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29-year-old BETA OF THE YEAR, Shadie Assad, spurned by ex-girlfriend cat-lady Jill Livoti, who is 43 years old!!!
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It is a seriously f*cked-up world when a 29 y.o. wants to dump his seed in the cold dry shrivelled birth canal of a menopausal women whose womb would probably be barren even if she weren’t anorexic and juicing on anabolic steroids.
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i get that a lot of guys are not attracted to women in their 40s and that women AND men should be having kids while they are still relatively young but you need to stop perpetuating these lies about women being barren at that age. that is just not true.
all the propaganda that has spread about it is based on as much “factual” evidence as the wage gap myth.
as this article says, “Before the introduction of reliable contraception, older mothers were common, with women giving birth to their last child when they were grandmothers. In the Twenties, the average age a woman had her last child was 42.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/10838177/Why-fertility-is-far-from-finished-at-40.html
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“you need to stop perpetuating these lies about women being barren at that age. that is just not true….In the Twenties, the average age a woman had her last child was 42.”
So, if women stopped having kids at around the age of 42 in a time when women didn’t use birth control, why is it “not true” to say that a 43 year old woman is probably barren?
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good post 88.
my grandmother had her last child after i was born so my uncle is younger than me. that kind of thing was pretty common as the article says.
i found this especially interesting.
“abortion rates among women aged 35-plus had risen by 15 per cent since 2001. According to the British Pregnancy Advisory Service (BPAS), this rise in terminations was the result of women stopping using contraception after the age of 35, due to “scaremongering” that had led them to believe that they were infertile.”
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@nathan
“So, if women stopped having kids at around the age of 42 in a time when women didn’t use birth control, why is it “not true” to say that a 43 year old woman is probably barren?”
that was the average. that means some women would stop having babies earlier. some later. and that was in the 1920s.
if women weren’t using birth control as much as they do, with people in general living longer because of the advances in nutrition and medical care that we have almost 100 years later, i’d say it’s pretty likely that most women could be delivering healthy babies until menopause. for most women that doesn’t happen until their 50s or 60s.
i believe the article even mentions that women should be using birth control until they have gone through menopause because it still very likely that they could get pregnant. that’s the reason for the increase in abortions for women in their 30s and 40s. they’ve been mistakenly brainwashed to believe that the risk for getting pregnant is so low that they think there is no need for birth control.
my theory is that the scaremongering about early infertility is mostly done by the medical industry to increase the demand for IVF, long term egg storage, etc. those are multi billion dollar industries i’m guessing.
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that is just not true.
It’s probably true. Also, knocking up an old woman carries a much higher risk of having to take care of an autistic kid for the rest of your life.
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“i get that a lot of guys are not attracted to women in their 40s and that women AND men should be having kids while they are still relatively young but you need to stop perpetuating these lies about women being barren at that age. that is just not true.”
– I am with 88 on this one. My mother was born when her mother was 42 (in 1938, mind you). My brother’s wife had two children (when she was 36 and 39). My wife gave birth to a child at 35. I have known lots of people with similar situations.To pretend that women are barren at 30 is ridiculous. The autism rate is very low as well.
What is more common is decreased physical attractiveness, along with a bitchy attitude from too many years on the cock carousel (or collecting too many liberal arts graduate degrees).
It’s their attitude, rather than their biology, that make older modern “womyn” a poor investment.
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@corvinus
“It’s probably true. Also, knocking up an old woman carries a much higher risk of having to take care of an autistic kid for the rest of your life.”
nope.
true that there is a higher risk of not getting pregnant at all or of having down’s syndrome babies (in most cases, it already runs in the mother’s family so it might not be totally age dependent)
but autism, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, learning disabilities, addictive behaviors, etc. are directly linked to the quality of the father’s sperm…not the egg.
a lot of research has been done on it and they are testing the sperm itself so it’s totally independent of the age of the mother. as a matter of fact, older men with much younger mothers have the highest rates of fathering children with mental disorders.
as i said before, women AND men should be having kids while they are relatively young. we all get older and there are obviously going to be risks when you choose to push the envelope and try to go against mother nature. as i said before, health is better in general and that applies to both men and women so i’m sure there are plenty of older fathers who can have healthy children. just like there are older mothers who can.
but there is a risk when you try to have children and you’re an older dad. at least with women there is sort of a failsafe. if the eggs are abnormal because of age or some other reason, the mom will most likely not be able to conceive or carry the child to term. that prevents a lot of defects and abnormalities but with older dads, it doesn’t work like that. you could have totally defective sperm and still have a kid anyway.
it’s kind of comical how some men can see the importance of having their own biological children when it comes to positive attributes. but at the same time, they will do what you just did and totally discount the impact of the father’s sperm/DNA when it’s convenient for them. you make it sound like the only thing that matters in a child’s development is the mother. if that were true, why care at all about whose seed it is? a lot of contradiction in that line of thinking.
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Bingo.
Put down your marking pens, folks… we have a WINNAH!!!
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“What is more common is decreased physical attractiveness, along with a bitchy attitude from too many years on the cock carousel (or collecting too many liberal arts graduate degrees).
It’s their attitude, rather than their biology, that make older modern “womyn” a poor investment.”
yep
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He is so much hotter than the “bloke” on the right lmao
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Huh. I wonder why my mom’s nursing textbook called a pregnancy over 32 a “geriatric pregnancy”.
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Funny how the fattie is the only one not perched on top of her boyfriend’s shoulders. I guess that would be asking too much of him.
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Funny how, if he would have only managed to match the poses of the other three, he would have become an instant alpha… or at least someone you wouldn’t want to f#ck with, lacking good cause.
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http://www.motivateusnot.com/resize.php?name=LzM3OC9UaGlzLWd1eS1kZXNlcnZlcy1hLW1lZGFsLTUzY2UyN2MwMzAyN2MuanBn&w=550&h=1200
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The three guys on the right are betas, for hanging around with the spade and his mudshark.
Then again, it seems there’s enough mystery meat to go around in that gathering.
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Ever meet a non-Aryan, Greg? They generally look like that. In fact, 4/5 of the world looks like that. Is that threatening to you? Does it make you uncomfortable that people have black hair and even slightly browner skin than you and I do?
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Correct, 1/5 of the world runs the rest.
Threat? In what? Sub-80’s IQ?
Bix Noob!
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SelbstHassWithin, to the rescue of all those ALLEGEDLY unlike himself… yet again. :duckface
Bix noob, indeed.
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And while we’re on the tired subject of Cathedral shaming language, YidWithin…
Do my posts make you uncomfortable?
Are you threatened by them?
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How The Chosen deal with the other 4/5ths:
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Its true. I fear a black planet.
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They’re gonna need a bigger wall.
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All it takes is some real travel outside of the borders of the US — no resorts, I mean *real* boots-on-the-ground travel — to quickly understand that we’re all in this together, and that our similiarities are far greater than our differences. Really. But you’ll only understand that after you die, because your brain won’t allow that thought to exist. Too much cognitive dissonance for a conservative brain to handle.
And don’t misinterpret this as a starry-eyed affirmation of eatpraylove or kumbaya liberalism. There are evil mother—–rs in every society, and corruption, and shitty behavior from one individual to another. Seeing these things while travelling demonstrates that, ironically, most cultures vary internally in a more-or-less uniform way.
But I don’t expect you to understand this. It’s easier for the spiritually-stunted to retreat into the metaphorical bunker and take yet another tedious potshot at Jews (as if they were a uniform group with no internal dissent) to a crowd of adoring tradcons. Singing to the choir.
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If you’re through wringing your hands and regurgitating the usual Cathedral swill, YidWithin, tell us why your solipsism is so pathetic that you think nobody else could possibly have gotten their opinions traveling the world and seeing The Others for what they truly are, as evinced by the cultures they create compared to those of whites.
And dwell upon your ironic (and moronic) excuse-laden dismissal as this picture of the wall merely being “yet another tedious potshot” at those your never seem to call out for THEIR racism and hypocrisy?
I mean, Hell’s Belles, if their painfully-overt monument to race realism merits no disparaging remark from you… (indeed, all we hear is a deflective apologetic… go figger)… then where you come off lecturing anyone else about the splinter in their eye?
You phony shill… you f#cking Cathedral company man…
You fairy.
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Dude, I got no ball in the blame-the-Jew-blame-the-Arab-blame-the-Christian game. Jews have acted horrifically towards Palestinians, and vice versa, and Christians towards both of them, and them towards Christians. All religions treat other religions like dogs that just shit on the carpet. (Except for Buddhists. They get a pass.)
Is that crystal-fucking-clear? I ain’t playin’ favorites. Don’t even have ’em.
Clinging to your petty religious-based squabbles is a waste of time. It just perpetuates the idiocy that masquerades as Middle Eastern history. What’s more important is the individual spirit, which is the reason for my handle.
But you’ll never understand this point of view. You’re just incapable of it. You only see people as groups, as a blur of indistinguishable faces. And you’ve literally spent years taking tens of thousands of potshots at *one* group on this website, which I suspect the moderator allows because he’s too busy to do things like actually moderate.
Your misery bleeds off the screen.
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And your libtard shillery bleeds into the Lennonesque Imagine sanitary napkin you constantly wear as if it were a badge of honor, rather than the bloody rag of what is either your disingenuous cogdissery or extended adolescence naivete’.
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All religions treat other religions like dogs that just shit on the carpet. (Except for Buddhists. They get a pass.)
Tell that to the Rohingya in Burma or the Catholics in Vietnam.
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No, it’s NOT clear, asshole. You obviously do have favorites, because you never cease to stick your nose in where it’s not asked for, coming to the Cyberian rescue (with a flaccid helping of your Cathedral taunts and shaming) of darkies and cries of antisemitism, rather than addressing the issues that give rise to said posts.
And for the record, YOU’RE the fellow that seems miserable… at least the rest of us “haters” chime in with a good helping of jests and barbs, as well as our politico-social commentary.
So bugger off with your usual suspect nonsense.
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Amazing.
This half of fag spirit thinks because he ventured on a couple Safaris he’s earned “boots on the ground” experience with diversity.
Let’s follow this idiot’s logic: Had a good time with the other in the other’s homeland therefore the other living in my homeland will pose no threat because kumbaya.
Like I’ve noted before: this dude is a walking joke whose insecurity with himself stands at 6’2″. lol He’s a coward, which is to say if he was a female he’d be a slut.
Again, TSW has no experience with diversity outside the eateries he frequents with his fellow neckbeards.
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hey goys. i mean guys.
“All it takes is some real travel outside of the borders of the US — no resorts, I mean *real* boots-on-the-ground travel — to quickly understand that we’re all in this together,”
mm. it was when i really traveled outside greater judaea, staying at absolutely the crummiest hotels, *really*, that i quickly understood that whitey is lost in a sea of exploding non-white humanity.
yea, sure, we’re all on the same planet. if one big thing fails, we’re all fucked. but if wogs keep reproducing exponentially, which they will of course, whitey stands to lose a lot more, from the boots-on-the-ground perspective.
it was only when i stood on the bank of a river running through a medium-size guatemalan border city, watching them all, the couples with four and five kids each, doing their laundry, bathing, eating their corn and ground beef hot pockets fried in fucking canola oil, that i *really*, boots-on-the-ground, began to fear the staggering numerical proportions of the situation.
that aside, a charming little contradiction:
“Ever meet a non-Aryan, Greg? They generally look like that. In fact, 4/5 of the world looks like that.”
vs.
“But you’ll never understand this point of view. You’re just incapable of it. You only see people as groups, as a blur of indistinguishable faces.”
lol
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The important thing, of course, is that everybody here continues to HATE. Because history clearly shows hundreds of successful, long-lasting civilizations that have been constructed upon hate, enmity, and oppression.
/eyeroll
[CH: history shows that great civilizations have been constructed partly on the occasional, directed, and channeled tempest of hate, when enemies within or without threatened its extinction.]
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Who ran the world in 2014, Tilikum? GDP might be a decent way to find out.
http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/world_economies_gdp/
5 of 10 — North American and European countries.
5 of 10 — Asian and South American countries.
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@Phil
Don’t let the truth of a person’s character get in the way of a good slander, eh? You work for RNC?
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Shalom baby!(asswipe!)
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Spirit,
You keep dropping the Cosbys off on the Chateau’s carpet and I’ll keep skewering you with my pig sticker.
I own you.
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Bravura showing, Herr Eliot.
With the caveat that responses to lines like these — “We’re all in this together” and “What’s more important is the individual spirit” — almost write themselves.
You can hear the whir of his flailing handbag.
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Daft. Even by your standards.
What’s Vatican City’s GDP?
India produces less with 1.3 billion swarming swarthy swamis than Italy’s 60 million whites. That’s 1/20th.
Do the Japs wear Western neckties or do we wear kimonos? Do we pirate Chinaman movies or do they pirate ours? Is the world’s lingua franca English or Hindi? Are geopolitics more influenced by our fifteen carrier groups or Russia’s single rusting shitbucket? How many bananas and coffee beans would Brazil have to produce to match the worldwide impact of one day in Silicon Valley, or one American programmer’s doodle on a napkin?
We are a net energy exporter. Hindus lighten their skin, Koreans round their, bix noods straighten their hair. Significant minorities in every country on this planet pray to our God. They listen to our music, watch our TV, and slave away in sweatshops to outfit our My Little Pony conventions. We invented nuclear weapons, air travel, the internet, GPS, the telegraph, the telephone, the television, and the iPhone. We are the only human beings who ever touched the moon. We invent niche sports and the entire world comes here to play them for our idle amusement.
White men invented everything worth inventing and discovered every inch of this planet worth discovering, and then dominated it. “When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept for there were no more worlds to conquer.” We are so bored with so much largess that we have turned inward to amuse ourselves to death. We have so conquered the immemorial curse of poverty that our poor people are obese. We apologize for our enemies to give them a sporting chance. And we don’t just allow parasitic pimples like you to exist, we allow you to whine and complain and insult us, and we allow you to prosper.
Matt
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Matt King, you’ve got more hot air than a thousand state fairs.
“White men have invented everything worth inventing”. You may want to acquaint yourself with the Chinese and the Arabs, upon whose shoulders we’ve stood.
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You may want to acquaint yourself with the Chinese and the Arabs, upon whose shoulders we’ve stood.
If it comes to cheating and pirating, and jihadi idiocy, by all means, let those folks stay ahead.
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Uh is back. King A is back.
Freakin good ol’ days!
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Heh, heh… King delivers yet another neutron bomb of logic and style, and the best FairyWithin can come back with is a dismissal like it was just “hot air”…
… and then flail that handbag a little quicker by comparing Western Civilization’s achievements to the Others’ picayune chip-ins of things like gunpowder (credit where due: Chinese still giving us those amusing firecrackers and bottle rockets) and that neat little zero thing from the Arabs, without which somehow the Greeks and Romans managed to muddle along.
We stood on THOSE shoulders?
A new low, from he whose posts usually reside alongside whale dung in the trenches of the seven seas.
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First reply disappeared into limbo… so let me deride the FairyWithin once more for his flaccid dismissal of King’s usual eloquent dressing-down as mere “hot air”…
… and then the laughable debt we owe to the Chinese for their firecrackers and bottle rockets which, admittedly, we still enjoy to this day… and that neat little zero thing from the Arabs, without which the Greeks and Romans nevertheless managed to muddle along.
Geez, Louise… do just GTFO, me haid’s weary from de shakin’.
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Paper, printing, compass, gunpowder.
In other words: ideas become semi-permanent, transference of idea to other people, orientation on the earth to help spread of empire, weapons to subdue resisting peoples.
Sure, Greg – Chinese weren’t *at all* responsible for the spread of civilization.
/eyeroll
You’re talking out of your ass in dismissing all non-whites. And though I’m much more interested in and acquainted with European civilization — I even get *paid* to use my knowledge of European civilization to make a product that *your family* may have actually utilized — I’ll keep reminding you of that very fact.
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The Sprite Within reminds me a bit of David Van Driessen from Beavis and Butthead. I imagined Kumbaya being played reading all that.
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Spirit, why bother?
If one group doesn’t like another group for whatever reason, that’s the end of it. The only thing people can’t argue with is success. They can rationalize it, they can try to diminish it, but ultimately, they can’t take it away.
You’d get more mileage helping to give people the belief that they can be that successful exception than trying to convince people that there can be an exception at all.
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There was a commenter who used to post here called Jason, but if I recall correctly he was a married leftist and was always bragging about his wife.
The Spirit Within is the post-divorce (“Sweetheart”) Jason, now bragging about how studly he is. Another veteran poster whorefinder would back me up.
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wtf! you think the guy with the plumper is a negro. I think he has actually been lying around the beach on his holidays where that pic was taken. Caucasians can get sun tans.
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You think I’m the type of person who looks merely at the color of a man’s skin? Alas, and alack, you do me an injustice!
Ah looks at de nose n’ lips as well.
Take a good look at that pic again, and then wtf yourself.
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I’m obviously talking about the guy on the far left, you dork.
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King A: Didn’t you check Google Trends and Trendinalia Twitter lately? in many countries Korean stars like Lee Minho and Suzy Bae were the most popular, besides Asian makeup like Shiseido or those new emerging Korean products are taking over the industry.
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The Strapon Within,
Since it is a fact that dark skin races have higher crime rates than pale skin races ( lookup Honduras, South Africa etc ), be it high murder rates in their home nation or high crime rates when they live among us, yes they are a threat.
Dark people commit the vast majority of violent crimes every where they live be it Denmark, France or the USA.
It does not make us wrong or cowards to be worried about people who are far more likely to rape our daughters, sisters or wives, who are far more likely to physically assault anyone of any age or gender, who are far more likely to be uneducated, unemployed, on drugs and committing crimes and living on welfare and making our taxes go up.
Idiot leftoids like you who can not understand basic facts or lie trough their teeth about it, are also a threat as you are working over time helping enemies of the civilized world.
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Potshots? Yeager’s got one just for you, Cass.
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The spics too.
Quick, somebody photoshop a bottle of “Spic N’ Span” to “Spic N Spade”
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Spic N’ Shine works better.
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Ouch Greg. So your friends have to be super Alpha to hang out with them? You do realize there are very young and impressional Beta’s on here trying to learn how to man-up.
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Looks like I ruffled another crow’s feathers… and in typical negro fashion, he totally misinterprets the gist…
… unless, of course, he can show where anything was said about “super Alpha” choice of friends, rather than the jab of tolerating, like cucks, mudsharkery.
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
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I see now from later posts that this bird is, well, a bird… which renders any sort of previous dressing down for lack of logic and reading comprehension immaterial.
My bad, luv… GasButtox will be along shortly to add you to the client list.
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The photo looks like Brazil, which is pretty much a whole nation of mystery meat. Just like they want the US to be.
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right right, and we’re all superior because we’re on here commenting about them
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Nah, she’s pregnant. They’ve both got their hands on her belly.
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They’re having triplets, then… one’s in the belly and the other two are in the thighs.
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We should agree she overeats. Everything else is just rationalizing.
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How dare you say she overeats?
She merely underdigests.
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“Underdigests…”
Ha – good one.
However, in all sperginess, I must point out that she actually does over-digest. Some here may remember corporate efforts made to help her under-digest, efforts worthy of the GasButtox Institute:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olestra
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Maybe I should have said underpoops?
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she probably is with child, but there is absolutely no need to gain that much weight whilst pregnant. my wife is almost 6 months pregnant and went from 105 to 115 so far. sure, some people think she’s starving herself because they’re used to seeing women balloon like the woman in this photo, but there is absolutely no need to gain more than 15-20 pounds over the course of the pregnancy.
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I’m pretty sure 25 is a healthy gain. 15, even 20, seems pretty low.
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my wife’s doctor says 15-20lbs is all that is “necessary” and anything over than is, essentially, “surplusage.”
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She’s starving herself. Here’s breakdown of healthy weight gain:
http://fitmommydiaries.blogspot.com/2013/06/normal-pregnancy-weight-gain-breakdown.html
Get a new doctor. Your kid could end up with issues from calorie restriction.
If she gains 30-40, she will lose 25 at birth and the next 10 in a month or so if breast feeding.
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thanks for the link to “fit mommy diaries.” unlike that bloggeress, my wife has never been fat or suffered from an eating disorder. as such, i’m going to continue to trust my wife’s doctor, along with said doctor’s degree from a top-tier medical school, over an untrained mommy blogger.
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She’s not with child and even if she was she was fat beforehand.
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My sister gained 40 kilos (around 80 pounds for you yanks) and she looks like her supermodel self again after 6 months. I asked why she gained so much weight and she said, it was her body’s natural response to making a large 10 pound (4.5kg) baby (she’s petite at 5″2 and her husband is a giant 6″4 and the Rock looking in size)
Stop perpetuating a myth that women dont have to eat when having babies.Some women have bigger babies (because hubby’s usually massive) and when one is petite to begin with well they are going to look much much bigger. She’s not exactly an amazonian, she’s short and pregnant (a terrible mix for those of us who love big guys)
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Its 1.5-2 pounds per pound of baby. If its an 8lb baby then 20-24lb gain. She will lose 11-14 during delivery.
A 10 pound gain in 6 months is fine. She will be putting on 1 a pound a week the last 4-6 weeks.
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My vote is for the first dude at the right. His girl is hot but he’s got THAT LOOK of the denizens from The Friendzone. The fatty fucker suffers from low self-steem, the bald fat guy doesn’t and that’s enough for him to have a much better girl.
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Good catch… but it could be he’s just at that moment realizing that he may have bitten off more than he could chew, lifting the equivalent of his own weight onto his scrawny neck.
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fatty fucker might have simply had a bad one night stand, knocked a chick up, and is being a man and taking care of his kid.
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He he he, like the name and pic. Fuck yeah, alpha fuxk betanosaveaslut lolzlolzlolz
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I say these guys are beta props in the girls foreign cock adventure travel photo.
There is something unnatural going on. The girls are all smiles but the dudes all look slightly confused or something. The girls moved on 30 seconds after the camera clicked and 3 or the 4 guys are still wondering what happened. The 4th is relieved it’s all over.
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Just out of curiosity… were these the runners-up at the Jersey Shore auditions?
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Dude you’re on a roll today. effing hilarious.
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LMAO!!!!
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Fascinating pic: there is so much going on racially and sexually.
Why do we say fatty’s boyfriend is the best-looking? Partly because he’s the tallest, most naturally mesomorphic and appears the most muscular (guy in yellow glasses might come close on muscularity but it’s hard to be sure).
But also because he’s the most Aryan-looking. By far. So much so that if his skin was far lighter, we’d be sure he was European. (Waiting for the chorus to detail all his East Indian ‘tells’ – same chorus that would downgrade Porizkova age 18 to an 8.0 – yeah right.)
The other three will battle muffin top or worse all their lives, have a little more to a lot more East Asian in their racial blend, showing mainly in the faces but somewhat in their bodies, yet they are pulling better women. Nothing to add to CH there.
Finally, beta-boy looks more Aryan, because he is more Aryan. Differential descent from Aryan invaders varies greatly in South Asia. The rugged look itself doesn’t even seem to segregate much along caste lines after 4,000 years though, only skin color seems to do that anymore. Lots of light-skinned Brahmins with that flabby Indian look over there.
It’s irrelevant whether she’s ‘a little pregnant.’ She’s fat.
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They are southeast brazilians. That’s iberian/italian ancestry, maybe with a pinch of sub-saharan. I bet there’s not a single drop of asian blood there.
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Good call… in which case I retract my initial comment about spades and mudsharks… ’cause, like… well… it’s Brazil.
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Thanks – that would explain a lot that puzzled me, like the tattoo on the one girl, the bikinis, the general disinhibition and the way all three guys with thin girls don’t look all that East-Indian, which I mistook as an East Asian component. Duh!
Don’t forget the big mestizo component in Brazil though – substitute that for my mistake on East Asia and the basic take still stands.
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Then again, the same could be said of New Jersey.
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Where is the fatty from?Not Ipanema,I’d wager…
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the beta is the one on the left, he isn’t grabbing the girl’s legs. it’s like a hoverhand.
the chubby chaser is alpha because he dgaf what people think. he doesn’t need anyone’s approval about what he likes. men shouldn’t let feminists or even other men tell us what is attractive or not.
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chub-lover also has that cool necklace…
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the alpha of this group (by narrow margin, they’re all beta-esque) is the kid with the shades. the chubby chaser is one of those tall ripped dudes with zero personality/game, just kind of in his own world and doesn’t know his strengths. a lateral persona if that makes sense. the true beta is far right.
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chubby chaser is alpha like the honey badger.
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You must be trolling.
Wald
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You don’t say.
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Not verbally.
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no, that 2nd man doesn’t give a fuck what anyone thinks. he likes whales & isn’t ashamed of it.
don’t let a feminist tell you what you should find attractive & also don’t let some other man tell you what you should find attractive.
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Zodak or “Zodiak”? That a typo? Cause you chase whales in a Zodiak.
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Men who give a fuk what other men think call themselves Alpha’s but aren’t. Worrying what other men think of you are the real Beta’s. I’m not asking you to agree but just give it some thought.
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don’t read too much into the pic. who fucking knows what’s going on. ch is spot-on… *if* that’s his gf, something is up with him. and if the roles were reversed, we wouldn’t think the chick was any less hot or desirable.
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noope, all of them are beta, even the girls
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Re “Old Moms”
They were having their 5th, 7th, 9th child at age 42
not their FIRST
huge difference
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@ Anonymous
no doubt that’s true. the chances of having successful pregnancies later in life are probably much higher for older moms who have already had kids. their bodies already know how to do it. whereas older moms who’ve never had kids have probably missed the boat.
don’t have any statistics on it but i don’t doubt that for a minute.
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Yup, that’s exactly what happens in my town. I live in a SWPL town where women think it’s not okay to have more than 1 young child at a time (too stressful to have 2-3 young children at once). So they have their first kid at age 27, wait until that kid goes to school to have another kid. By the time they are on their 3rd or 4th kid, they are well into their 40s. It’s okay because it seems like female fertility is one of those “use it or lose it” things. If you start having kids in your late 20s (which is the norm around here), you can have kids well into your 40s. But if you wait until age 35 to have your first kid then you could run into problems.
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Aww, CH bro, don’t hate.
This is nothing more than an Engineering issue.
If Guy 2 did get the girl up on his shoulders, only his head would be above the sand.
Same reason there’s no skyscrapers between City Hall and Midtown.
Nothing short of granite-bedrock handles the load.
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question for yareally and the game crew
do you guys ever find when you go out that even with all your pickup knowledge you just get brain freeze when its time to take action? i see a group of girls in the club that i wanna approach my mind goes blank trying to think of an opener. if i do decide to jump in and just open with a simple ‘hi my name is…’ the conversation always veers towards boring interview style game as i struggle to come up with any orginal content
any pragmagic solutions for improving my conversation? canned openers with follow up statements maybe?
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The power in human relationships is in the “no”. I don’t open them, I give them a reason (and watch the body language) to open me.
You gotta always be remembering that not a girl alive is better than you. Never ever. Then your pauses and awkward silences are cute and adorable.
Own yourself.
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thats good mindset advice yes
but if you are in the club hoping for hotties to open you, you will be waiting a long time
you have to cold approach to make things happen. iv pulled alot but mostly its been off the dancefloor using good looking guy game without using much verbals. iv used this as a crutch to having to avoid approaching and talking to girls. i want to change this.
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See, look at what you did there. Vox has a whole series on Gamma’s and I’d get over there.
You asked a question, and was given an answer, and a good one. But instead of asking how to achieve what I suggest, your ego protections kicked in and you are sticking to your guns which are (according to you) admittedly failing.
Dude, you are a target for a player, not a peer. Own yourself, move forward. Ask how I do what I suggest, not rearrange the deck chairs on the HMS Sunken Dreams.
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alright tilikum, give me your advice, all opinions are welcome
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i own my own negro; how alpha is that?
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meh, tell me own a white guy then we can talk. they work harder. a LOT harder (and smarter).
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@Tilikum
How about you just explain what you do instead of making the dude jump through hoops and scolding him like a child.
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Fair point. I think sometimes that all the tactical prowess in the world has to be underpinned by the philosophy that you (personally) understand.
If you want someone to get better, they have to learn to find the answers not just get spoonfed. The difference between knowledge and intelligence.
Not to parrot Berne and TA too much, but I’m trying to begin getting him thinking and interacting as an adult with me, so women see him the same way.
I dunno. Maybe I expect too much from guys but I figure if your here and looking, you can take it all (no homo).
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I have to disagree about getting hotties to open you in a club. It’s EASY to get girls to open you in a club. You just be the ballsiest guy on the dance floor. Having decent rhythm helps, but isn’t required. I was at a club in Denver a couple summers ago, and nothing dropped the jaws of my buddies more than them watching a girl hand her purse to the (obviously straight) guy she was with to come grind on me.
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Tell her you find the conversation boring. Let her think of something to say.
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Boring is only a severe epithet to the modern hamster.
Home-spun wisdom #22: A bored person is a boring person.
(((calling GasButtox)))
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“let her think of something to say”
That risks to be long, very long in coming, longer than third one
As a Corean female with a limited grasp of English used to say ” I am boring” wanting to express shallownes of her inner self and an immidiate need to be entertained
Than I made her say” I am boring to tears”
No woman has ever spoken truer words, no man was ever so much alone
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you don’t seduce a lot of women do you
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Just take the frame of being a social person out to make friends and expand your social circle, you’ll be fine.
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warm up early. Open everyone early, guys and women… Just get into a social mindset then follow the 3 second rule… Witty banter comes later. Opening comes first.
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@Anonymous – yeah dude, it’s called Approach Anxiety. It’s the most basic thing most newbies have to address.
It never goes away completely (unless you are some weird autistic robot type person) but you do learn to get it under control and approach (and even then some times it will rear its ugly head).
Just read up on basic Mystery Method old-style – they cover it pretty well (the summary is what Sentient posted)
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Ya of course. The whole point of canned stuff was to give guys a default crutch to rely on in those freeze-up moments. So if you have a default opener you use then when you freeze-up like that you can tell yourself “just execute my default opener” instead of having to think up something to say.
Expect a few warm-up sets that aren’t going to go anywhere before you hit your stride. Especially if your day-job isn’t a social one (ie – you sit at a computer all day). It’s like going to the gym, you don’t just pick up the heaviest weights and nail them the second you walk in, you do some stretches and shit to get warmed up then move on to the real work.
It’s not normal for someone to spend all week cooped up in a cubicle with headphones on and then go home to an apartment where you live by yourself and then just burst out mad social skills the second you walk into the club.
You’ll find a lot of naturally social guys are dudes with a lot of friends and social circles who are always off doing stuff not sitting in front of an x-box. So socializing is natural to them. And even with THEM a lot of them still won’t cold approach hot girls lol I’ve met a bunch of Naturals who are amazing once they’re in set or with social circle girls, but they freeze up chickenshit when they have to cold approach a hottie.
And a lot of those super social frat bro guys are that way because they’re in a school environment where they’re able to socialize all day long and girls and bros are everywhere etc. Take that same dude and put him in a new city with no social circles and a quiet office cubicle for 5 years with headphones on and he’ll probably end up the same way.
Try making the first part the night fun, just go up expecting to get blown out and fuck around. Make silly challenges for yourself (watch episodes of Keys to the VIP and swipe some of their games they play).
Lower your criteria for a successful approach. Just celebrate anything. “held eye contact with that girl!! yessss!! I’m awesome!!” “ok that set went nowhere but at least I approached! Go me!” Don’t beat yourself up in-field esp at the start of the night.
Try to be chatty thru your day/week, joke around with the dude bagging your groceries, chat with the chick making your lunch at the deli, ask some people for directions or the time on your way to the bar, joke around with the bouncer, etc. Open as soon as you get into the bar/club, anything, even old people or fat chicks or dudes lol, just to get social momentum and teach your brain “this is a place where we chat people up and don’t die”.
Your brain wants “proof not promises”. At the start of the night it’s worried you’re going to be socially ostracized or killed if you approach that girl. You can TELL it that won’t happen but it doesn’t believe you. It needs you to go approach and not be killed and then it goes “hmm ok maybe it’s not such a big deal…” and then you do it again and it’s like “ok nothing bad happens even if I get blown out, and actually this is kind of fun” and then it unlocks and you feel way more socially free and the approach anxiety goes away.
Then you spend all day or week not socializing and go back out there and have to start over proving it to your brain again lol. That’s why when you do a 30 day challenge or just go out multiple nights in a row you’ll find by the end of it you don’t have much approach anxiety compared to the start ’cause your brain is carrying over all the proof you’ve fed it that approaching isn’t a big deal.
Approach Anxiety is a sign that you’re pushing yourself out of your comfort zone. It’s a good thing when you learn to work through it lol
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thanks for the great advice ya and wala
really gonna make the effort to get out of my comfort zone, been practicing game for bout 3 years now but mostly been just using RSD physical game on the dancefloor whilst avoiding proper cold approach. its hit or miss generally.
i want to have more control and have the confidence of knowing i can go up to a girl and hook her in a fun conversation. time to put it into practice
recently began watching keys to the vip yareally, its a great show for showing both bad and good game side by side. cajun gives a clinic of game on it, seen some natural dude called josh aswell killing it
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oh ye i recommend everyone watches this 3 part interview with cajun
some great outer and inner game advice
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@Anonymous a few things to take note of here. “A group of girls in a club”…NO. Don’t approach groups, approach girls who are on their own, that’s why club game is so hard. I usually approach girls in clubs and parties who are on their own.
I wait for an IOI, or force an IOI then approach…
As for openers, a lot of times they’re situational:
“You look like trouble…” always works for me…that gets a laugh…
Then I look into her eyes and smile.
From there I improvise. I wait for her to give me her name.
I start by stacking assumptions: “You have the look of a Korean pop star…”
“You look like you work with animals…”
Mostly it’s starting banter. Girls are just as nervous as you, you just have to be more in control than them.
A great “textbook” is Krauser’s DayGame Mastery. It has detailed break downs of openers for all situations. he focuses on DayGame but you can use this stuff in any situation.
Learn the “Date Model” about spiking attraction, building comfort and rapport, then more sexual spikes.
Another great conversation starter I used yesterday while I was winging for a friend of mine gaming a girl he met on Tinder,
“What part of 50 Shades of Grey did you like this most?”
She starts complaining it wasn’t so good.
“Not enough fucking?” I say…she laughs, my friend puts his arm around her…
These are some things that have worked for me.
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If you’re freezing, it’s because you’re overthinking it. Just say ‘hi’ if you can’t think of anything.
And it sounds like you’re putting a lot of pressure on yourself in each interaction. Instead, just say hi, talk for a few minutes, see where it goes, and move on. If it’s ‘boring interview’ game, then she’s just not showing you any interest. Maybe she doesn’t like your look, maybe you came off weird, maybe she just broke up with her bf, maybe she just had sex with her ex-bf — there are a billion factors outside of your control, so relax.
You’re at a club, so who cares if you just exit the conversation? Politely excuse yourself and move on to the next girl. I say politely because if you’re at the club for awhile, you’ll notice that once a set hooks (and if you just say hi to enough girls, it’ll happen), a) those other girls who seemed dismissive or cold earlier, will usually warm up or b) the target will grow more attracted to you…win/win.
Most importantly, you have to remember that your layrate from cold approach will be low. No matter what. Even if you are tall, good-looking, rich, etc. it’s still low (not as low, but still). There are two problems — -the random factors that can raise or lower the bar for her getting attracted and the logistics. Her friends can kill her attraction. The circumstances can make her reticent to give out her number.
You should try to just become a normal cool guy first, before getting into the finer points of MM. Go out and build a social circle. Then, go out to clubs with that social circle. Now you will find that many of your “cold” approaches will really be warm approaches (a guy out with friends, especially mixed company, comes off as high value and he will get IOIs).
I’d say that once you have done all that, then want to go to the next level…THEN look at MM stuff. I did everything out of order, and while I got really good at set-set stuff, it didn’t really start paying off until after I had started accomplishing the basic ‘normal cool guy’ stuff.
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Conversation is overrated. Don’t rely on a crutch or non-sequitur routine. Get comfortable being in the space around pretty women – without talking. Feel the tension and then let it go. When your making love – do you want conversation. No. Project that vibe – and trust that something will happen that gets you both talking. Risk being creepy quiet – FEEl her out fist. If there’s no spark there – nothing you say is going to matter much.
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Stare at one of them. Hard. Like you are trying to absorb her with your eyes. You will feel a slight burning and a dire temptation to blink — but DO NOT. (Bring visine to keep your peepers wet, if you can’t master the betablink with practice.)
Your best frame here is telepathy. You don’t have that gift, but pretend you are training for it. Send mental waves of domination to her brain pan like a laser. A bulging vein in the forehead helps. Draw crude pictures of cocks in her mind’s eye. She will begin shifting in her seat with SUL (Sudden Uncomfortable Lubrication).
Think about your future together with her. The wedding, the shopping for cute baby clothes, the ketchup fights. Attempt to impregnate her by ESP.
Meantime instruct your wing to gently cup and squeeze your balls through your skinny jeans. I know you’re going, WTF, King, but trust me on this one. Trust me. Haters will cry fag, but you can laugh at them later while you’re fucking their gfs in the bathroom stall. She’ll be like, “What’s so funny,” and you’ll be like, “Unicorns. (Take it, bitccch.)” Your friend’s ministrations will stimulate sperm production which WILL be sensed by all females of the species within 75 yards. Studies have shown.
The rest is up to you, brehh. She is basically primed for your dick like a stripper on coke. If you fuck it up from there, I don’t know what to do with you, bruur.
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Anonymous,
“any pragmagic solutions for improving my conversation? canned openers with follow up statements maybe?”
To answer your question, I’ve had similar issues in the past. My solution is to focus on laser eyes, speaking slow in a low sexy voice, getting close, and fast escalation, as yareally has been reiterating recently. This style of game is originally from 60 years of challenge — CH has reviewed it before and there’s even a link to it on here.
The push-pull, cocky funny, witty reframes, cold reads, dhv stories, and other ‘gamey’ tactics come naturally as you become more alpha, and in my opinion less is more when it comes to these things anyway.
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Those of us whose wives/sisters/friends’s wives aren’t low class cretins and have had children will never mistake that hideous bovine for a pregnant woman.
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+1
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I find myself drawn to the chick in the leapard print bikini.
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*leopard
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leap hard… nat’chell mistake.😉
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Notice that belly button, it’s an “innie”. Look at those thighs. She’s just a heifer, not preg. Further, she should be ashamed to show all that fat. Some guy putting his arms around all that publicly displayed fat is obnoxiously beta. Especially since his “buds” are demonstrating what a beta he is by hoisting their own chicks while his is unhoistable without hydraulic assistance.
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Say what you want, though… she’s really owning that heft, judging by her language and beaming expression.
Confidence is sexy. lzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlozlozlozlozlozl
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She better hope she never chokes…no chance for a Heimlich….
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Aw, man… did you have to bring that to the table?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ44FULYEnIfaeS69kGnjQJD3qEe9eVoBlpFvBWVkwUiMv4fsorAg
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I just happened to open this while Confused Matthew was explaining why the Voight-Kampff test isn’t the Turing test in another window.
Other than that bit of serindipity, the picture pretty much speaks for itself, so I got nothin’.
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The kid on the far right looks like a beta male to me. I’d say I could tell by his face, but it’s a bit blurry. Just a gut feeling.
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A few thoughts:
1. When it comes to displaying your self-worth, a gorgeous woman on your arm trumps a Swiss watch every time.
2. If you can’t carry your woman on your shoulders then either she’s too fat or you’re too weak — either way, fix that shit.
3. Women will forgive any transgression save weakness.
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pro comment
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speaking of betas and alphas. this seems up CH ally.
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minutes 9:30-10:30 (dunno why the link does not go to the right place)
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He got everything right except the “I’m sorry” part.
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Reposting as WP ate it yesterday.
http://www.fredoneverything.net/DontMarry.shtml
Nothing new to Chateau members but watching Fred disembowel a sacred pig is always fun nonetheless.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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“This photo is sort of a Voight-Kampff empathy test, ”
Beta Bladerunner
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All of them are beta.
The women are in charge in this photo.
the men are beasts of burden.
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Their backs are broad, but they’s a-hurtin’…
Guess that makes the tall guy the alpha… sure, she’s heavy, but at least he ain’t carryin’ her!
Plus it’s a sunny day, and he needs his shade. lzozozlzlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzolzolzolz
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Agreed.
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Comments are closllzzolzold, but “the pain is real”. UVA rape case
http://news.yahoo.com/police-press-conference-on-uva-rolling-stone-rape-investigation-covered-live-by-katie-couric-205013344.html
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Everybody is the beta male. The men in the photo, the men in the ocean behind them, the male posting about it, every male commenting on it, and me saying it.
The only alpha in the room is God creating this scene.
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Ah, the new (old) tribalism.
Ever wonder how it is to not need the comfort that religion or in-group participation? How it feels? Freedom from want, the power of “No”.
“Therefore the sage, in the exercise of his government, empties their minds, fills their bellies, weakens their wills, and strengthens their bones.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
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No man is an island…
… although some are peninsulas.
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In today’s world most are atolls. Looks like a rugged island, soft and hollow on the inside.
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We are the hollow men… shape without form, gesture without motion.
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‘Looks like a rugged island, soft and hollow on the inside.’
The all appearence, no substence dogma is rotting men to their bones. Ever since the fall.
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‘In today’s world most are atolls.’
Ironically the symbol alpha looks much like this.
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Every wonder how it is to not need to proselytize everyone who possesses a simple faith?
Who is the slave here? At least Earl admits he is a slave for his God, through whom he can do all things, and in whom he finds a greater freedom than you apparently can even conceive. Giving voice to every notion that occurs to you and indulging every chemically-fired synapse that happens within you is not liberty, it is insanity. It’s the incontinence of the schizophrenic, who of course must mistake it for his own will.
Freedom is “not the power of doing what we like, but the right of being able to do what we ought” (Lord Acton). “What we like” — such as fat girls erotically desiring cake — is self-destructive more often than it is not.
You don’t even realize how compulsively your faith forces you to correct those who do not share it.
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Strengthen the mind and the body will follow.
But seriously, the one piece of celestial mechanics that I can’t explain and must render unto “faith” is that our planet couldn’t exist in this iteration either one foot closer or one foot farther from the Sun.
Its likely that thought alone prevents a descent into nihilism and keeps me procreatin’. So see KA/Matt, I’m just like you and Greg, and Earl!😉
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There are dozens more points of serendipity.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/designun.html
But don’t think too hard about it. You might accidentally lose your freedom.
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Well-said, my friend… now go forth, be fruitful and mutliply.😉
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The only Alpha is the guy who doesn’t come to PUA websites and would laugh off any conversation regarding insecurity. He is banging a woman (or more ONLY if that’s HIS thing) and making his work his mission. He has no time to gossip and bitch…he leaves that to us females. I come here because I love being amongst the girls!
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Girls are dumb and easy to trick. I wouldn’t brag about it probably.
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Some of us are gentlemen of leisure, dearie… who were put here to provide amusement for our fellow Man, and to laugh at him/her in our turn.
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lmao, u got that from site where former starbucks cup was posted. I also clicked the linke to find the plethora of gems (this one included).
However, if this pic doesnt convince of game the I dont know what else would.
Compare guy 1 vs. guy2 on appearance. Shorter, uglier, out of shape…but conveys that idgaf jerkboy vibe. That should lead on to a trace , why his girls is 10x hotter than betas landwhale. Red pill forte.
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Maybe the dude is just having a round of bad luck, you know we all been there at one time or another. if she is knocked up by him hello WORLD _OF_ SHIT!
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Like the captain of the Titanic had a round of bad luck.
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She’s about as bottom heavy as an iceberg
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Red Pill brotha Muhfuggin? (prolly not lol)
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2749090/thumbs/o-TEENS-570.jpg?7
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There is a new kind of “game” which is posing for picture game. With social media so prevalent, you have to be aware of how you pose with girls.
This could have been an awkward social situation where the dude gets stuck with the fat chick.
In that case if he had brought her close to him so that he had her head wrapped in a headlock it would have been more playful and he could have looked more alpha.
The fact he looks so stiff shows he was thrust into this situation and can’t improvise or fears looking like they’re together.
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Except he wouldn’t be holding her tummy like that, wala. They’re definitely a couple.
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That guy with the fat girlfriend is Indian.
Being Indian is automatically like -3 from your SMV.
So a 5/10 Indian guy = 2/10 white guy.
People always talk about how disadvantaged Oriental/Chinese men are in the dating market, but Indians and Paks got it even worse.
Even Indian celebrities like Aziz Ansari end up with women like this.
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These guys are ALL likely to be betas, relative to the women. The girls are in the prime of their SMV. The guys are not.
The girls are in control. The guys are not.
Posing for a photo is almost always a beta move. Chicks pose/display. Guys conquer/build.
It’s a funny picture, though, because fat girl is too big for her mule. The other guys seem to be able handle being beasts of burden.
A better photo would have been the girls carrying the guys.
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You must have autism. Spend any time over at Sluthate?
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Just found “sluthate”. Whoa! I like it. It’s clearly a ‘sperg containment and taxonomical clearing house for incels. Great rants though!
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Ugly man with a hot girlfriend has a big dick
Handsome man with an ugly girlfriend is someone who has no idea of his worth (or they recently had a baby together)
Ugly woman with a handsome boyfriend is one lucky biatch
Hot woman with an ugly boyfriend is a gold digger
Le Chateau you’re a crazy fuk but you still rock!
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High praise, indeed. :duckface
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YaReally, Sentient, HABD, Kant, Walawala etc
Lay Report from me after a while. Usual online meetup first date – 2 drinks at a bar, walk her home, say I want to use the toilet, get her upstairs and bang (actually I didn’t quite – see below). 30 year old HB6 – great tits.
Some key points:
-She is a VIRGIN. My first one. Literally never been naked with a man or had an orgasm with a man before. There was some LMR but not much – she was v turned on. So it was good to give her that but I didn’t want the responsibility of being her First, so I didn’t technically bang her (I could have easily – just worked on the LMR a bit more- but didn’t)
-She was a Yes girl from the start (she messaged me first online etc) but it was a bit odd during the date – she was obviously attracted but was actively avoiding even a peck on the lips and I couldn’t initially figure out why
-Then I sexualized by playing the questions game (which is GOLD by the way – I’ve been using it on text for 3-4 months to get girls horny, with ever improving results, but this is my first time in person – gonna do it more). And it came out she was a virgin and things clicked into place (she was all leaned into me in the bar and I was basically talking dirty to her as part of the questions game and that finally got her horny enough to kiss her and grab her tits in the bar).
-The (near) bang wasn’t that much fun – she was very willing but not very good. I made it clear I wasn’t a relationship guy but I want to let her down gently cos I don’t particularly want to see her again. I did take her for ice cream afterwards and do some cuddling. She was beaming and glowing from her first orgasm (which happened pretty easily – she wasn’t frigid or anything)
-Incidentally, Kant – I’ve been reading a lot of PUAZone’s forums (which are really quite good) and I see you’ve posted a lot there. Your Tinder stuff is good and generally the whole forum’s view on handling online flakes. This girl I banged – was the THIRD girl I tried for that evening. I had two confirmed girls flake on me. Until last year I was making plans a week in advance which is silly. THen the last few months I am down to 72 hours max, and now I think I’m going down to same-day or 24 hours max, AND double-scheduling girls so I have an alternative if one flakes.
-Also, I am taking on board the advice about laser eyes and slow sexual speaking. Made a real effort with it today. Need improvement but for the first time, saw a little success in not being performing monkey.
It was a good day!
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@culum. Congrats great report. After I nailed the structure down and banged a few 6’s I got my confidence back and then started aiming higher. Now i only game 7″s or better under 30. Also I am more motivated to take risks and bail sooner if I’m not getting a positive result. If I suggest drinks and get “I’m busy this week” I next rather than thinking up some clever response. In fact I’m now using silences more.
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@walawala
Just a quick one on facial hair – I’m mid 30s & have started to get a fair bit of the ‘silver fox’ in the beard – couple of girl ‘friends’ have made passing comments on it, with almost looks of concern on their faces, one of them a lesbian so not taking it as any kind of possible IOI. I like to run some facial gruff as I hate having to be clean shaven. In the off chance you’ve experienced the same, do you run the clean shaven look & have the greys had any effect on your game with the 20s girls?
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A virgin AND a yes girl, eh? Usually those girls are A. Liars or B. Pickle Surprise!
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Thats a dill-breaker for me
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Culum, would you mind explaining the questions game, or pointing me to a resource? Thanks. I think you’ve mentioned it before but i’m not sure exactly what it is.
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Culum:
Last autumn, while I was abroad in a foreign country that is known for its extreme flakiness, I would triple-schedule women. One night ALL THREE cancelled. No joke — 6 7, 8 pm. I went back to my rented studio apt and drank rum the rest of the night, shaking my head.
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You’re 6’2″, a self proclaimed Alpha, you have a girl specifically designated for each night of the week, your toes would never curl at the thought of confrontation…
YOU ARE THE MAN
(((shakin’ it))) (((shakin’ it))) (((shakin’ it)))
Your faux humility is, to use pop terminology, incongruent. If you think this vile queef gives credibility to your previous brags you are mistaken, as usual.
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Foreign country known for extreme flakiness?
Is that listed in the brochures… as opposed to say, export of electrical components, scenic landscapes, or call centers?
Triple-scheduling the birds, eh? Amazing that all those luv-starved chippies didn’t abscond with your passport to prevent your getaway.
(((Shakin’ it)))
Heh, heh… just what FlakeWithin needed… yet another solid oak paddle in the chateau’s ass-smackin’ machine.
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Phil, the fact that you keep mentioning my height leads me to believe that you’re a short guy.
And yes, in this particular country, EVERYONE flakes. Brad Pitt would get flaked on. It’s well known. My guy friends and I compared a lot of notes. It was roughly a 2 out of 3 flake rate, unless you put in the time to know the girls really well. On that particular night, I was machine-gunning randoms just to see who would show up. The rum was better, though.
Tell ya what: I’ll brag about my many sexual successes soon. Just to watch you tear that up too. After all, I’m living rent free in your head.
I feel sorry for your tiny little nubbin of a clit of a soul.
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Ahh! Ya got me!
Astounding.
He can’t restrain himself.
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@ “The Lack of Confidence Within”
“Last autumn, while I was abroad in a foreign country”
Um, last I checked, all foreign countries are “abroad”.
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Cervix,
He thinks it gives credibility to what he writes, unconsciously. You can unearth these psychological hiccups in a lot of his comments.
He is as insecure and inauthentic as a whigger. That’s not to say he’s a whigger, he’s not, but a close cousin of the whigger he most certainly is as the same spirit (heh) that animates the whigger’s imagination, animates his own.
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@ Cervix eroder (lol at the handle): True. Redundancies are too much many in our spoken word language lol
@ Phil: wtf. Don’t even know where to begin with you, but “short guy with a confidence problem” is dollars to donuts going to be on your tombstone.
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at 12:55 pm March 23 Spirit Within said,
“… But you’ll never understand this point of view. You’re just incapable of it. You only see people as groups, as a blur of indistinguishable faces….”
And then at 11:21 am March 24 Spirit Within said,
“…yes, in this particular country, EVERYONE flakes…”
So you are just as racist and as dumb as we are Spirit since you see people of that country as a group of indistinguishable faces,
thanks for clarifying this.
All I used were your own words from the same thread to show everyone how full of shit you are.
Your liberal mind is really small, I almost feel sorry every time one of us gives it a good beating.
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@Culum
I know this has been written about here before, but can you give a quick recap on the questions game? I use a variation that could be more sexual, be insightful to know how I could improve. Much appreciated.
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Same here except my question is still in mod
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The key to this game is eliciting emotional responses, placing in a girl in that headspace and the interplay between the questioners, not in getting logical answers…
So “have you done anal?”, while sexualizing the conversation, in a clumsy way, is much worse than “what do you enjoy more about anal, the feeling of dominance or the physical sensations?”
Covered recently here… https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/02/12/the-game-of-rapidly-induced-love-speed-seduction/
Don’t ask questions for answers, ask them for feelings and build toward your goal – connection, trust, non judgement and pleasure…
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Great stuff Culum. As my own game improved last year I moved from banging 6’s to 7″s and above and girls in their 20’s…
There’s a lot of talk here about what the witty rejoinder is to a blow out.
I just had a few this week.
My standard is:
“Oy…let’s meet for drinks this week”.
I got two girls saying “I’m not free this week”
I just ignore and move on. There is nothing more to be said.
As my game improved I started to become more selective in my replies to flakes. No more “k” or “lollzzzzz”
Seems like I’m trying too hard. But I did give an accounting of how I reversed the flake of that 27 year old girl who told me to fuck off…most of that was texting for self-amusement…and it came from a place of not caring about the outcome…
Keep up the good work!
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@Wala – thanks. What’s really frustrating is that because of my work/travel schedule I go through phases of lots of dates, then I lose the “edge” and the plates I had been spinning by not doing anything for a month or more and have to start again from scratch. But yes – the idea is to build reference experiences with the 6-7s and move up from there (I’m still only at 20-odd lifetime notches, not counting my swinging experiences so plenty to learn).
(I am also learning to be more selective with replying and letting their hamster work or reengaging later – it takes real self-discipline. It’s even harder when I have like two-week downtime from work and I’m trying to fit in lots of dates. So sometimes I find myself pushing harder for a meetup than I should – and I KNOW it but I don’t want to have an empty day in the schedule).
@Spirit Within – I know the feeling well. Sometimes it’s just ridiculous. SOmeone on the PUAZone forum was talking about a single day when he had FIVE girls flake on him. ANd it wasn’t even abroad. All you can do is mitigate it – have backup girls and make plans on v short notice.
@Junior – See this link (google the title if the link doesn’t work):
http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?1168-It-s-a-game!-It-s-a-game!-NO!-It-s-sex-talk-%28the-sexual-question-quot-game-quot-%29
That has pretty much everything you need to know, but I’ll reiterate a couple of points:
-It’s not meant to be followed slavishly – it’s a platform for building both comfort and sexual topics and moving on to turning her on. If on text, the goal is to get her masturbating for you and in person you do it in comfort to get her turned on before extracting for the lay (do NOT do it in person if you don’t have a clear path to the lay – you will trigger ASD). Done well, you will eventually abandon the game and move on to pure sex talk when both of you are turned on.
-Your answers are more important than her answers – talk a lot..build elaborate feelings and emotions and arousal.
-You need to lead her into sexual topics (if she goes there first, it’s a MASSIVE green light) because you are the man.
-If on text, make sure the logistics are good – like 10pm at night when she is free to masturbate etc.
-I’ve only tried it in person once (many times on Whatsapp) and the results are great.
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@Culum
Yeah Whatsapp is great for sexualizing convos because it’s so flexible. One of my girls leaves me minute-long voice notes while she touches herself. It sucks to live in different countries, though this hardly makes it more bearable…
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@Culum
props on putting in the work and getting better…
just one point on the flakes…you COULD just plan to go out ‘solo’ and tell the girls to meet you there (changes your focus/games your brain = successful event regardless of flaking or not…) …then, if they don’t show, you are already chatting up some other girls…and if they do show up (which you expect) = pre-selection…lol…
good luck!
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@HABD – good point. I suck at solo game generally (getting into state etc) and my approach/night game skills have atrophied since last year as I’ve focussed so much on online stuff. But I want to revisit those areas this year.
I suppose if I identify a different bar which I could use as my hangout base – whether or not I have a date – I could work from there. I think YaReally posted something for newbies recently about how to build a social circle and just randomly chat to people in a bar you go to regularly – I may start doing something like that.
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Sentient, Yareally, etc
“Incidentally, Kant – I’ve been reading a lot of PUAZone’s forums (which are really quite good) and I see you’ve posted a lot there. Your Tinder stuff is good and generally the whole forum’s view on handling online flakes. This girl I banged – was the THIRD girl I tried for that evening. I had two confirmed girls flake on me. Until last year I was making plans a week in advance which is silly. THen the last few months I am down to 72 hours max, and now I think I’m going down to same-day or 24 hours max, AND double-scheduling girls so I have an alternative if one flakes.”
These days I only schedule for the day of. Even if she suggests another day I ignore her message and reopen next day and try again. It’s much more effective. Remember, girls live in the moment and by their immediate feelings, that’s why seduction works in the first place.
Funny story actually, my OLTR has been gaming this really cute tinder girl for a threesome with us (I’m teaching her!). Last week the girl said to her “oh I can’t tonight what about next Tuesday” and my girl agreed. I told her I’m not going to bother to save the date because this girl is going to flake. Sure enough, today the girl flaked, and my gf couldn’t understand why. I told her welcome to dealing with women it’s fun isn’t it lol
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Oops, sorry Culum, I called you Sentient lol
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@Kant These days I only schedule for the day of. Even if she suggests another day I ignore her message and reopen next day and try again. It’s much more effective. Remember, girls live in the moment and by their immediate feelings, that’s why seduction works in the first place.
This is something I have trouble wrapping my head around. Intellectually I get it….but then my own schedule is so busy I have to make plans a few days in advance.
I’ve now started with the “let’s meet up this week…” or “this weekend late I’ll be free…” to text night of and say “let’s meet up at midnight…” girls i’m gaming are often in bed by that time or have plans already.
Generally it’s hit and miss and yah I do get flakes but then again the success rate is higher. I can get a sense very quickly whether the girl will flake or not based on the strength of the initial interaction, how quickly they reply etc.
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Wala,
“Generally it’s hit and miss and yah I do get flakes but then again the success rate is higher. I can get a sense very quickly whether the girl will flake or not based on the strength of the initial interaction, how quickly they reply etc.”
Really, make the appropriate changes. I haven’t had a flake in months since I switched it up.
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@kant Question: if you make plans day of: “Let’s go for drinks tonight…”
And get “Can’t got plans…”
And then move on and re-eopn…doesn’t this look try -hard—like cold-calling rather than planning.
If I make plans with a girl and she says she’s busy that week but doesn’t offer an alternative I may give her one more chance otherwise, I drop her.
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@wala – funny you mention “cold calling”… Kant’s method is a sales technique, but it’s more akin to getting a deal done vs. “send me a proposal”. You have your yes – or no – in the moment. Harder for her to back out T minus 3,4,5 hours etc. Probably harder for her to commit as well, but an experienced sales guy wants to get his no’s out of the way as early as possible. No point having false hope.
I suspect in non-Tinder/online, which is a more self selected community of prospects if you will, it’s harder to get same day meet ups IRL. That’s been my experience. You still have logistics to deal with.
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@Kant – indeed. You’re clearly training your OLTR well..
@Wala – I don’t think you necessarily need to go as far as Kant (who I think uses Tinder mostly which is even more ephemeral than other online dating). It doesn’t have to be strictly same-day only – no harm making *tentative* plans in advance.
But the key takeaway is no plan is to be considered firm until she is literally standing physically in front of you (the hour or two before she meets you is fertile for flaking because that’s when she needs to get off her ass, put on makeup and actually come to meet you).
And to mitigate that you make plans as close to the date as possible – preferably same day. And ALWAYS have other options/backup. This is less important when it is a number from a girl you’ve chatted to for a while or met in a bar (and built comfort) etc, but it’s still important.
I think the early pitch is fine. If you say “Meet me tonight”, then even if she says no, you can make her laugh by saying “Cancel your plans – I’m more fun”. And you have a lot of useful information from the quality of the No – does she ignore you? Does she offer an alternative? Etc. Obviously there is a limit – you can’t keep chasing her, but it’s not inherently try-hard.
(Or in other words – what Sentient said – get your no girls out of the way quickly)
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@Culum/Sentient All good points. I usually use the open-ended: “let’s meet up for drinks this week…” and could add “How’s THursday?”
The response is either ok or not. If Not and there’s no “but what about xxxx?” then I leave it. I can sense whether the girl is interested by how quickly she replies, the tone of the text: “thanks! aww…can’t make it… but what about….” etc.
At the end of all this you’re still dealing with a real person who is either going to agree or not.
I’m astounded frankly by the complete lack of manners and common courtesy most girls I meet have. They’re rude, entitled, spoiled brats.
Just keeping my shit together when I get a flake has been a big part of my inner game development.
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“kant Question: if you make plans day of: “Let’s go for drinks tonight…”
And get “Can’t got plans…”
And then move on and re-eopn…doesn’t this look try -hard—like cold-calling rather than planning.
If I make plans with a girl and she says she’s busy that week but doesn’t offer an alternative I may give her one more chance otherwise, I drop her.”
Girls will totally make plans. the problem is when the day comes to follow through with the plan, she’s not longer in the emotional state she was when she made the plan, so she doesn’t follow through.
It’s not needy or try hard. My frame is I’m a busy high value guy, come for a drink now, if not I’m not going to make plans for another day I don’t know if I’ll be free or not, I’m not going to get tied down for some girl.
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@kant
Would love a few quick pointers on an effective Tinder profile. You might just be a handsome chap, but in the off chance you’re not, what are your Tinder recomms? I’m not ugly but not outstandingly good looking, maybe a 6? I have a couple of pics with girls in them looking at me smiling, couple of shots doing my ‘extreme sports’ hobbies… & I’m 35, maybe it’s the age factor. Have had a few matches with girls from 26/27 upwards, but haven’t been able to convert any to a meetup yet. Any advice would be super appreciated.
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Junior, check out my Tinder method in the Sedfast hall of fame
Pictures matter tons, but it’s less about being good looking and more about looking alpha. I’m a 7 in pictures.
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@Kant
Much appreciated fella, hope I can return the favour some day.
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Seems as that guy is taking the grenade for the team, his face says it all.
What a friend
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Heh. I did in fact think of this picture:
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That modern day Scarlet Letter on the fat broad really ties the picture together.
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Is it just me or is there something that’s a bit of a turn on about this fat chick? Like she’d be really filthy in bed?
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Roll Tide!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He didn’t just take the grenade, he also pulled the pin on it.
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Cunnilingus bro.
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That guy with the fat girlfriend is Indian.
Being Indian is automatically like -3 from your SMV.
So a 5/10 Indian guy = 2/10 white guy.
People always talk about how disadvantaged Oriental/Chinese men are in the dating market, but Indians and Paks got it even worse.
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“People always talk about how disadvantaged Oriental/Chinese men are in the dating market, but Indians and Paks got it even worse.”
GOOD !
The current Australian “population ponzi” is importing tens of thousands of these curry munching fuckers along with tens of thousands of Chinese per year.
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your daddy was a bad ass but you be weak.
just sayin
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It also proves a point for why game is still needed so bad.
Indian guys are the richest ethnicity in the US but still can’t get laid despite wealth.
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I don’t know. Quite a few famous white women have/had married Indian guys (Christina Hendricks and Elizabeth Hurley).
Not to mention that Dinesh D’Souza (nerdy for sure) was engaged to Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham, after which he married another white woman who was even prettier.
If anything, Indians are the biggest example of who needs game the most, and how much upside there is if game is mastered.
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Not necessarily. Dinesh D’Souza, as nerdy as he is, has a long record of dating and marrying attractive white women, some more famous than him (Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham).
It seems that Indian guys need Game the most, as they have the highest upside from it.
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If Indians’ SMV problems are with Indian girls, then yeah, they have some work to do. If their problems involve non-Indian girls, then things are exactly as God and nature intended.
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Indian men do have a problem with Indian women and every other race of women.
See this chart.
It shows that of all races, Indian men get the lowest response rate from their women. No race of women disdain their own men as much as Indian-Pak women.
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@Back2theFuture dude – did an Indian guy bang your girlfriend or something?
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There are what, about 1.5 billion Indians in the world? And if memory serves, quite a few Pakistanis as well.
Hell, white women should disdain their men like that.
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Perhaps the centuries old though “officially” banned Caste system could go some way to explaining Indian Women’s distain towards Indian men?
Indian women are particularly class conscious.
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There are what, about 1.5 billion Indians in the world? And if memory serves, quite a few Pakistanis as well.
Hell, white women should disdain their men like that.
Chinese men are also super sexy.
(shakin’ mah haid)
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I once asked a Chinese girl I was banging in Shanghai if hairy white guys grossed her out. She said white guys were ok, but Indian men made her skin crawl, “filthy” was her other description. It is probably no fun to be an Indian guy outside the subcontinent.
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It’s even worse in the United Kingdom (UK). Indians in the UK actually are about the same as Indians in America, but a large percentage of UK Pakistanis (ie the Muslim co-ethnics of Indians) have been squeezed out of the sexual market. Sexual desperation has reduced the UK Paks to doing P4P with under aged British street prostitutes before they get arranged marriages to their cousins from back in the motherland. Since Paks and Indians are identical looking, both communities are now getting tarred as “pedophiles” and “groomers.” According to one of my UK PUA Indian buddies (Bojangles from RooshV), that’s killing his chances with white British women.
So as bad as it is in America, the UK is even worse for Indo-Pak men.
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she’s not fat, she just has a big frame.
lol @ the 3rd guy. those sunglasses remind you of anyone?
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She’s merely “big-boned”…
… with a lotta meat on them bones.
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can’t deny there’s gotta be a lot of good marbling in it
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OT : long march through the institutions http://www.breakingnews.ie/discover/ucc-students-deliver-powerful-message-on-the-stigma-surrounding-rape-668794.html
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“The video comes after a report in the Irish Examiner last Friday revealed that about one in seven UCC students have said they are victims of rape or a serious sexual assault.”
1 in 7, does it ever stop!
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First it was 1 in 5, now 1 in 7… expect the numbers to move more towards a reflection of reality as the days past…
… much like the numbers of another oft-referenced MSM-agenda’ed phenomenon of relatively recent history.
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BMOTY: Darren Sharper. This guy just got sentenced for drugging and raping two women, which was reduced from other women who had lawsuits against him. He’s a descent looking fellow, should have some money from having played in the NFL, and yet has to go through these shenanigans to get some tail?
What makes matters worse was that he did this after he retired, which could mean that he needed some excitement and/or recognition once he left the NFL.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12544551/darren-sharper-gets-9-years-arizona-plea-deal
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What Jewish feminism unleashed:
http://www.webpronews.com/kendra-wilkinsons-husband-buys-her-a-new-wedding-ring-she-bans-him-from-gym-2015-03
There are no good white women between the age of 22 and 35 in the United States right now. “Good” is defined as marriageable and worthy of being mothers.
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Maybe iz father? oink
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still beta
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I love this site, but I think to just assume this guy is a “beta” is well ridiculous. Not all guys want thin women, some of us LIKE bigger gals. I don’t know why, I’ve long since quit trying to figure it out. I don’t know where this assumption that all guys who are with a BBW are somehow deficient in some area.
It would be more beta to try and get with skinny girls if you’re naturally into bigger gals. It’s really about the small waist/wide hips thing for me, and most women don’t have the ratio I like unless they are packing some pounds. If she’s got stick legs, no hips or ass, and a huge gut… I’d just assume jerk off.
As a high T male who is a whiter version of this guy, I can tell you, I guarantee this guy does fuck all he wants and she rims his asshole on the regular. He probably gets access to her chocolate starfish whenever he wants as well.
Waist to hip ratio is everything.
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is that you, jayman?
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You realize this girl up here is 1.2:1 right?
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Not all guys want thin women, some of us LIKE bigger gals.
Oh hey Thwack.
It’s really about the small waist/wide hips thing for me, and most women don’t have the ratio I like unless they are packing some pounds.
You mean, a ratio where the waist is wider than the hips?
As a high T male who is a whiter version of this guy, I can tell you, I guarantee this guy does fuck all he wants
Fat chicks are whores… news at 11.
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One of these things is not like the others.
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Gentlemen: Fight fit shaming. Every day.
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CH – when will the mod woes be over?
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It’s quite difficult to keep track but I don’t think I’ve seen several posts that people have said are in mod over the last week or so – they may be permanently gone if there was a technical problem like CH said on the other thread (on the other hand, two long posts from me in the last 24 hours have sailed through with no mod – bizarre but good)
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CH must be under major attack to have his sheilds set so high?
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CH is periodically blocked in my work.
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CH – any help on mod releases? I still see some posts in mod.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-24/us-house-votes-348-48-arm-ukraine-russia-warns-lethal-aid-will-explode-whole-situati
Who the F cares what the Jews think. It is just another way to ignore reality.
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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0376635714001570
Men with a combination of male and female traits have higher sociosexual behaviors, desires, and lower age of the first sexual intercourse.
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except if they’re English.
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yo fellas, don’t sleep on your legs when you lift.
ladies notice nice well defined calf muscles; especially if you like to rock sandals.
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He could be a beta male, but what’s much, much more likely in this case is that she was hot when they got together and she gained weight during the course of their relationship. No doubt, her declining appearance weighs on his calulus, but without knowing what else she brings to the relationship, it’s hard to get insight into whether he’s a beta or not. I mean, she could give the best BJ’s ever, treat him fairly and patiently, and carry his ass through every team death match of Call of Duty.
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Aside – I am reading Sperm Wars by Robin Baker. Mind blowing and a must read for any CH devotees.
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How dare you challenge my choice of women haha. You almost had me. No, alpha status never ever challenged even when every person I’m with is ugly as hell. Sorry, no more rebuttals. I just don’t care what you think. I sleep with beautiful women and they never stop loving me and I them.
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Let me guess…
… butthurt fat chick posing as a man, thinking she just gave a real neener-neener to the chateau.
:duckface
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“Sorry, no more rebuttals.”
LoL. Sandwichmaker, it does not work like that.
To win an argument you need a winning argument.
oink
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I feel bad speaking badly of another woman, but, man, she should not be wearing a bikini. And, no, she’s not pregnant. I’m slim and petite and have been pregnant three times. When you’re a slim and petite pregnant girl, you’re all belly. She’s all over.
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Nekkid pics or STFU.
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Sorry, dude. Only man who sees me nekkid is my husband.
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These kids look like South Americans or maybe upper class Indians or Iranians. In any of those cases the fat chick could be the rich daughter of some local oligarch, and the guy”s parents might be pushing him to be with her. Hell, she could even be his sister. You can”t always generalize US standards onto foreign cultures if you don”t know the context.
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Not Indian/Iranian/Middle Eastern. Skin colour is right but facial features etc all wrong. Also no real beach/bikini culture in those places.
Obviously South American. Likely Brazilian.
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http://interviews.adultdvdtalk.com/karla-kush/
I find some pornstar interviews amusing. Apparently, she tried to keep her number low and fucked 30 men and women. That’s like me ordering two kilograms of cocaine and saying I’m trying to quit.
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YaReally, Sentient, HABD, Walawala, Kant
My blitz week continues with another field report.
Short version: did everyone according to plan but foiled by logistics.
21 year old HB7 college student – at least the girl quality is getting better.
Usual online dating thing. Usual double-scheduling, one flaked and this one came through (involved persuading her a bit in the last hour or two before – bit of a judgment call between chasing a girl who isn’t interested and persuading a girl who wants to meet but needs a push – it’s the subtle stuff: she said “but I don’t have makeup and I just finished class” – Me: “Wear makeup next time we meet”. “I have a bag with my textbooks”. Me: “I will carry it if you’re good”. Her: Okay I will come.)
Took Kant/YaReally advice from last time about younger/college girls – I dressed down and took her to an average pub and made a real effort to play up her achievements..”Oh..you study fashion and make clothes? You must be really skilled with your hands..here, show me your hands..” and stuff like that.
She was pretty stiff and nervous to begin with but visibly warmed up and started to laugh at my stories.
Just did what is now becoming my new standard date pattern – 1-2 drinks, incidental kino, some light kissing neck to turn her on, light kissing on lips (no resistance but she didn’t go for tongues – subtle body language cues told me she was interested – she didn’t flinch or move away even a *little* when kissed her cheek, neck etc). All with my arm around her and her right up beside me – no resistance.
Worked on my laser eyes and slow speech – again, there is a measurable effect when I make an effort..still need to improve more. And played the questions game I described in my last lay report (I couldn’t get her opening up into really dirty talk but she was happy enough to play along with me and enjoyed my answers – I calibrated the “filth level” of my answers down to match her level).
Some minor shit testing about how many girls I meet from online and do I just sleep with them and leave them and stuff..but easily handled..I just told her I wasn’t looking for a relationship but I enjoyed spending time with the girls I dated (not just sex).
Question guys: When sitting beside a girl, it’s good for kino, but it’s harder to maintain eye contact and laser eyes – sometimes the girl gets a bit intimidated and starts listening to my stories while looking AWAY – to the front. Do you just let it be and keep talking? I see this quite often but on this date I tried literally telling her to look at me – with limited success.
Then I just got her out of the bar on some excuse and walked her past my place and took her in saying I needed to use the toilet – zero resistance (although when we left the bar she made some comment about needing to get home and being late).
..got her home, started making out..all proceeding fine on track. Then *disaster* struck.
She saw the time (it wasn’t that late at all) and absolutely freaked out. “My dad will go crazy..I’m late..he’s really strict..” (strict immigrant family)
At this point I could see that she actually had a legitimate logistical issue – it wasn’t standard LMR – she can’t help her logistics and had already stayed out late after college classes ended because I had talked her into it.
Nevertheless given my logistics and the need to go back into work mode next week, I figured no harm in pushing hard even if I burnt her. So I tried fairly hard to get her to stay just twenty minutes, but eventually no-go. I’m quite proud of myself actually – my frame control is getting slowly better – there were couple of points early on when I just pulled her gently back on to the couch that I could *see* her wavering in her resolve..but eventually it wasn’t enough and when we actually started arguing on a logical level (i.e., I was trying to change her *mind* instead of her *mood*) I knew that it was a lost cause.
So I took her back to her car and came back home with blue balls.
Bit disappointing (mainly the blue balls lol) but actually I am very happy with how I handled the evening – the logistics were out of my control. There’s always scope for improvement, but I am successfully practicing the aspects I want to work on (handling flakes, sexualizing/escalating on dates, setting a sexual vibe pre-date by texting, laser eyes and slow speech etc) and the results are clearly improving. My last three dates have come right to my place after 1 drink with zero resistance.
More than anything – it’s helped to know what is *possible* by reading the stuff on here and the comments from all you guys. If I hadn’t heard what you’ve pulled off – I’d never have tried to shoot for stuff like having 1 drink in a cheap pub with a 21 year old and walking her to my place and taking her clothes off.
LOGISTICS are massive. As I get slowly better and get more confident of my skills – I’m finding that I get tripped up by logistics a lot more than any flaw in my skills (not just today’s girl – I have atleast 3 girls on my text rotation right now who are guaranteed bangs if I can just make the logistics work enough to meet them face to face). And all the last 3 who came to my place after 1-1.5 hours did it because it was a 5 min walk from the local pub. I can’t imagine how much harder it would have been if I’d taken them to my previous favourite fancy cocktail bar 30 mins away.
I may have burnt this girl – by triggering her ASD and/or if she’s annoyed at how hard I tried to make her stay (at one point she even said “We can’t actually have sex today” and I talked right over her [probably on her period]. And a couple minutes later “I can’t stay..maybe if it was a Saturday..”) but the risk was worth it. And I may yet bang her if I can find the time and she’s willing.
This is fun stuff..
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Good report. More comments coming but txt her casually today so she doesn’t get buyers remorse and view that as some kind of rape attempt lol good on you knowing when to pull the chute (once it hits logical debate) but just to stay safe txt like you had fun and you’re looking forward to hanging out again and reference some joke you two had and maybe get up to stuff like “next time we’ll have to pick a night you don’t have curfew lol” etc and try to get her to respond positively.
Something like “hope you didn’t get in trouble lol I had fun not many girls make me laugh like you did (or some bullshit you qualified her on lol), next time we’ll have to pick a day you don’t have curfew lol”
She feels what you feel so like, not txting her leaves her having to decide how she feels which can go bad but being proactive can help tell her how to feel about the night.
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@YaReally – thank you. Appropriate text sent and friendly reply received so I’m clear (I think) on the rape accusation front, although not sure I will see her again (in retrospect it’s an obvious risk but at the moment it was so obviously NOT me pressuring her or anything that it never occurred to me till you mentioned it).
Hope your more detailed breakdown pops up soon – look forward to reading it. Maybe worth reposting on another thread (I keep copies of my longer posts in a text file just in case – don’t know if you guys do that)
I’ve not really internalized it yet, but I’m just trying to make an effort for now to remind myself that just my presence adds value to people (one of the biggest early Game turning points for me was actually nothing to do with girls – it was during my LTR years ago when I got a bit drunk at a work colleague’s engagement party and let my inhibitions down and was uber-social, told stories and jokes to everyone and had a blast. The next week I had an invitation to a party from another work colleague who was just an acquaintance and it really took a while for it to sink in that she just thought I added value by my presence and wanted it at her party – we were both in LTRs so there was no IOI there)
On a different internal game note – I am realizing that all the hard work I have to put in in online dating to actually get girls to meet up (the effort) makes me feel artificially that they have more value than they do – just because of the investment. But invariably when I meet them – even if they are hot – I have a flash of “She’s just a silly girl – why was I so invested in her again?”. Just for a moment. But I need to work on that feeling.
@Sentient – Yeah, it’s a great feeling. Like when you finally get out of the frustrating absolute beginner stage to a point (like now) where I need to put in the work and effort, but I’m actually *enjoying* the process, as well as the improving results. Will start the social circle type stuff – it’s a bit tricky with my work/travel schedule but something is better than nothing.
@HABD – Thanks. Point taken re laser eyes. So basically I won’t artificially try to force laser eyes and leave it for when it is natural to look at each other in the eyes.
@Junior – Happy to help. I get so much from the more experienced guys here that the least I can do is help out a little bit with stuff that I am familiar with. I am 35 – are you around the same age? The main thing I will say with the younger girls (assuming you’re not an absolute beginner – but if you can get a day 2 with a 21 year old, then you’re not one) is that THEY will be nervous around you in a way that I am just starting to notice – it’s easy to be blinded by the perfect body and youth and place her value too high. Post your results and questions here – we’ll all try to chip in and help when we can.
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@Culum
Yup, I’m 35 also. Haven’t been able to get a decent girl in her 20s in person from online, but my photos aren’t anything special – I’ve travelled extensively etc. but don’t really take any myself, & those taken of me are average. Did you get professional pics done? Have run into a couple of mid-20s 7s-8s in bars who didn’t match with me with on Tinder but got solid IOIs from them in person… just choked on leading it from there lol. Yup I’m still pedestalizing them on the basis of their SMV & attention they no doubt get on social media & in general. Prob actually not showing enough interest on day 2s because of this, almost in a defensive mode trying to show disinterest & get her to chase. Though I’d be surprised if they meet too many decent guys IRL that have anything like my life experience. Got my first SDL – 25yr old 6.5 (body was smoking, face a little average) off a cold-approach at a festival a few weeks back – first & only approach of the day, so that’s shown me what’s possible. My non-verbals are decent, but my stories need polishing, cheers for pointing that out. Thanks for the inspiration & advice, hope to be able to return the favour at some point.
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@Culum
“I’ve not really internalized it yet, but I’m just trying to make an effort for now to remind myself that just my presence adds value to people (one of the biggest early Game turning points for me was actually nothing to do with girls – it was during my LTR years ago when I got a bit drunk at a work colleague’s engagement party and let my inhibitions down and was uber-social, told stories and jokes to everyone and had a blast.”
and having a blast is the general goal in a well-lived life…ammirite?…lol…
“The next week I had an invitation to a party from another work colleague who was just an acquaintance and it really took a while for it to sink in that she just thought I added value by my presence and wanted it at her party – we were both in LTRs so there was no IOI there)”
and you know better now re IOIs, right?…else, rethink…
re ‘investment’ to get girls to meet…recognizing that feeling = becoming more game-aware = big progress!…props!…
this is just the cost of doing business and has NO relationship to anything ‘girl-related’…it’s just a hoop to jump through to ‘meet’ and therefore is not related to ‘investment’…the quality of girl is an independent variable = you’d jump through the same hoops for a 6 or 9 to meet…also, she has to jump through the same hoops to meet a great guy (like you…), right?…see YaReally’s breakdown on value…why wouldn’t she be nervous?…lol…remember, her choices are you (high value man) v. manboob/hipster/beta…lol…red pill man with game = THE PRIZE…
good luck!
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@HABD – Thank you. I haven’t actually thought about that party incident with my co-worker in years, but in retrospect it was of course an IOI from her (we are still pretty friendly actually and I see her and her rich-but-beta husband every couple of months, and sometimes I see her alone too..she’s given up work now and is living off him).
@Junior – Online is a bit of a hard slog, especially as you get older and especially on Tinder which is all about looks. Yes I did get professional photos done last year, but I haven’t really noticed any difference in results (tightening up my text game – both on the website and on text has made a huge difference though). I have compensated by moving mostly onto Sugar daddy dating websites (we are on the young end for those, but still credible). These places are much easier to get replies and the girls are very hot (compared to OKC/POF) but you have to put a lot more effort into weeding out gold diggers..
Do you mean you met the *same* girls you swiped on Tinder in person later? Must be a small town. But it’s not surprising at all for the reasons explored exhaustively on CH. You have a lot more to offer than your looks and in person they can see that. Online they can’t.
Good work on the SDL – apart from being fun in itself, that’s the kind of thing which builds conidence and reference experiences so that you can (in a year or two) do the same thing with a 9.
Re storytelling – this is actually one of my strongest skills. I have a set of good stories that I’ve polished to a fine sheen – so good I need to tone it down sometimes to avoid being a performing monkey and focus on escalation (even the worst of the gold diggers shut up about money and get engaged while I’m telling the stories). It really does need practice. When I did my Mystery Method bootcamp in 2006 they had a section where they actively helped us improve our DHV stories – see if you can find that bit in their written material – and rework your stories and practice telling them. it’s a real rush when you can hook and engage girls into your world for like a 15 min stretch as you spin a rich story tapestry and play with their emotions.
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Isn’t it awesome when you can put right into practice something you’ve picked up? It continues to amaze me there are so many game deniers when this shit just works so solidly.
And this here “it’s helped to know what is *possible* by reading the stuff on here and the comments from all you guys” is actually something I’ve thought a lot about the last month or so. As guys we get caught up in the logical “probabilities” and in doing so put too much credence over what’s probable vs what’s possible. My take on this, if it is possible – it’s possible!
So fuck the thinking of “oh she has a BF/husband”, “we just met 20 minutes ago”, “she’s too young/hot etc”. If it’s possible it’s possible… it’s up to you to find out how possible. There are few lost causes until you lose them (thanks HABD!), keep pushing.
Now what tilts the possible to your favor probability wise? Targets, tight game and tight logistics…
I was going to comment on your earlier post on developing a social circle, but I’ve had like 6 or more posts lost over the last week…LOL. Maybe this one will go through?
Short version – you need to be THE MAN at your locals. Pick 3 or 4 places within 10 minutes of your place, varying the vibe, one very low key up through a nice place. Go all the time. Go on off nights especially (Monday/Tuesday), off hours. Get to know all the staff, the managers/owners, the bartenders, some regulars. Tip absurdly well. Like a $5 beer, throw an extra $10 down on a slow night. The effect will be awesome…
You will come in there after a couple of months of this and the whole place will respond. This will result in DHV and help your game because it will be less a player vibe, more comfort. If some of the staff start to mention the varying girls, just tell them to not mention shit like that when you are chatting them on a slow night.
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“but I’ve had like 6 or more posts lost over the last week”
Same. A handful are still in mod apparently forever. wtf is the deal CH? At least tell us how to avoid it if we’re using keywords or something. It’s getting less appealing to write more than little one-off comments incase they end up being a waste of time. Going to risk mod to post a quick breakdown on this one tho:
“Tip absurdly well. Like a $5 beer, throw an extra $10 down on a slow night. The effect will be awesome… ”
You don’t actually have to tip anything more than the standard dollar a drink amount. Like you CAN if you want and the money doesn’t matter to you, but your value is the conversation/emotions/rapport you give them. So going in early and joking around with them or dropping in on a slow Tuesday shift etc. and having a good deep convo, that’s way more important than a few bucks here and there.
This is a weird concept to wrap your head around because as dudes we think in terms of measurable exchange of goods and services. So like, you might go into a stripclub and think “I’m not getting any dances and not buying the girls any drinks, so they will get zero money off me…I’m value-taking and there’s no reason any of them would want to sit and chat with me especially once they know for sure that I won’t spend money on anything but beers for myself because I’ve been there a few times and they know that.”
And logically that makes sense because the time they spend with you is time they could be making $X and since you’re providing $0 they’re “wasting their time” and you’re “taking value”.
But when you really understand how much value flirting, teasing, rapport, good conversation, deep rapport, teaching them something, building commonalities (separating yourself from other customers by making fun of customers with them or telling stories about other girls you’ve known in similar “guys pay for my attention” situs and making keen observations about the dynamics etc.), getting them laughing spiking their buying temperature, giving them laser eye-contact that they don’t get from any of the other guys in there…
Like, none of the other guys in there is offering any of that and under the surface of their job/persona as a stripper, they’re still GIRLS and still have emotional girl brains lol
So the value you’re giving them isn’t monetary, the value you’re giving them, and that they find valuable, is your attention and presence and interaction. THAT’S your “money”. That’s your tip. They don’t care if you spend money or tip them at all if you give them an amazing interaction.
To put it in perspective think about how an HB10 views the world. To her her presence is worth free drinks and attention and favors etc. And to the guys who throw all that stuff at her, her presence IS worth that. She doesn’t have to give them money or anything to feel like interacting with her was worth their time. Think of the guy who fucks off from helping other customers to focus on the hot girl and he’s actually LOSING money in the grand scheme of things but if she smiles at him and gives him a stiffy with her sexy eye contact, does that guy give a shit? Nope, he’s happy as a clam lol
So when you fully realize how much value you give people, even just joking around with the convenience store dude or your cab driver or the grocery store chick, you start to see things differently. A girl buys you a drink and instead of going “what?? really?? Okay! wow, thanks!! uhh I’ll get the next round, don’t worry!” because you’re so shocked that a girl would do that because you haven’t done anything to “deserve” or “earn” it, instead she buys you a drink and you go “cool, thanks, so anyway–” because in your head of COURSE she would buy you something to express her appreciation for your time, because the time she’s spent with you has been amazing, she’s gotten to be in the presence of a high-value man who gives her emotional rides and deep rapport and shit. Really she should be buying ALL your drinks that night.
So ya, you CAN drop some money down, but like, you don’t HAVE to. You’ll get the same “I’m gonna serve this dude first” priority if you give them a good conversational/emotional experience, male or female.
The only catch is the last couple days of the month when they need to make rent money lol but even then it’s nothing personal it’s just their job.
I’ve literally never handed a bouncer money or bought one a drink or anything, but there were EXTREMELY popular venues my buddies and I were able to walk into ahead of groups of dolled up sexy chicks trying to flirt their way in, just because we gave the staff good emotions. Plus they saw us making other people have a good time too, so we were giving them value (happier customers having more fun spend more money etc.), just not in a direct physical monetary form…and we were getting free shots lined up for us and shit, and deserved it, because we gave them value.
Just shit to think about. This concept carries over into everyday life too. We were conditioned by society to not value what we offer the world and to think we’re always “not good enough” (the marketing/advertising industry is based entirely on that concept, really) so it can be very hard for a guy to accept that his presence and interaction can be worth tons. That a bartender would serve him first and chat with him even though he’s beside the guy with a $50 in his hand, that a stripper would pass up paying customers to come over and say hi and chat, that a girl would buy him a drink just because he’s the most interesting guy she’s met in a bar in years, that a checkout clerk will give him a discount just because he gave her laser-eyes and got her gina tingling.
An HB10 knows what value her presence is worth to men…men need to understand what value their presence is worth to women as they move up the chain of attractiveness learning game.
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“but I’ve had like 6 or more posts lost over the last week”
“Going to risk mod to post a quick breakdown on this one tho:”
And on that note I have a bigass reply/breakdown for Culum that went to mod. There’s gotta be a WordPress plugin to allow frequent commenters automatic approval, CH.
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@Culum
good report…you’re getting better, for sure…
logistics – plan for where you want to end up, then work backward to where you should start…simple…lol…
follow YaReally’s advice on the texting…’leading’ doesn’t stop when she leaves. you just have to start to set up the next interaction, so leading her to good feels on the last interaction will help facilitate that…also, no girl EVER will hold your ‘desiring’ her against you…unless she sees you as a beta (but if she saw you that way then she wouldn’t be going back to your place after a couple hours…lol) …just don’t mention it again…and if she brings it up = shit test…
on ASD – comfort/rapport on the texting and just stay off sexualizing your interactions before you meet up again…
re question on seating – side-by-side is the equivalent of talking ‘over your shoulder’ when opening girls. it shows them (subcomms) that you are not invested/investing in them yet…and won’t until they ‘earn’ it…laser eyes only come into play when you can look in her eyes naturally…her hamster isn’t going to holding it against you for not ‘lasering’ if it would be unnatural…
@Sentient
you’re welcome…lol…staying in the interaction and trying to turn it around is the BEST place to learn just how possible things are…
good luck!
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Culum
Random notes:
“she said “but I don’t have makeup and I just finished class” – Me: “Wear makeup next time we meet”. “I have a bag with my textbooks”. Me: “I will carry it if you’re good”. Her: Okay I will come.”
Solid plowing. That’s why I hate the current Manosphere/TRP mentality of “just next that bitch if she won’t play along!!!” Most of the time it’s just some simple token resistance that a little smooth plowing will take care of.
“Took Kant/YaReally advice from last time about younger/college girls – I dressed down and took her to an average pub and made a real effort to play up her achievements..”
Good work. And good job applying the advice you got. She’s not going to flat out say “I feel so comfortable in this average pub, I’m glad you’re not dressed in a suit!” but the difference these little things make will be peppered throughout the interactions.
Also telling a girl to dress up and then meeting her at a shithole is always entertaining for knocking them off their pedestal a bit lol
“but she didn’t go for tongue”
I don’t recommend tongue-wrestling in the bar, stick to romantic kisses and save that for privacy so the sexual tension is built up. Like maybe one little quick tip of the tongue flick but then pull away first so she’s left wanting closure on that makeout session. When I go for the neck I like to open my mouth around her neck as if I’m going to bite it but then I won’t actually close down I’ll just let her feel/hear my breath as I tease and then back away and she’s like “!!!! fuck!!” because I didn’t actually give her closure to that anticipation.
The exception is when the chemistry is super solid and you’ve done some sexual rapport and know the girl is an exhibitionist who doesn’t care what anyone watching things, then you can ramp it up but even then I would save that for next time and focus more on leaving her hanging and teasing her. No one buys the cow if you give the milk away for free and all that.
“Some minor shit testing about how many girls I meet from online and do I just sleep with them and leave them and stuff..but easily handled..I just told her I wasn’t looking for a relationship but I enjoyed spending time with the girls I dated (not just sex).”
Solid handling here.
“Question guys: When sitting beside a girl, it’s good for kino, but it’s harder to maintain eye contact and laser eyes”
I used to sit beside them for the kino, but I had the same problem as you at times. I always sit across from them now. I find lasers builds more sexual tension than kino. I’ve taken girls back to my place where literally I haven’t touched them once till we get inside my door, but I’m able to escalate instantly because I’ve built up tons of sexual tension with laser eyes.
I also make sure to arrive first and pick a table where my back is to a wall or something uninteresting like the empty DJ area or whatever, so that she sits opposite to me and can’t see the rest of the room behind her. So when I’m talking her attention is 100% on me because there’s nothing else to distract her. It also helps make her feel like we’re in isolation so it frees her up from social judgement a bit more. She kind of forgets the rest of the room is there. So the only thing she can really do is look me in the eyes and feel some lasering and get turned on. Also I can see incoming distractions and be pro-active for handling them.
If she’s too shy to make eye contact, I’ll sometimes tease her about it in an “oh, that’s adorable” tone and it’ll make her start to try to make eye contact more.
“At this point I could see that she actually had a legitimate logistical issue – it wasn’t standard LMR – she can’t help her logistics and had already stayed out late after college classes ended because I had talked her into it.”
Ya, there are times where a girl will ignore her responsibilities to bang you and just make excuses for why she was late to work or missed a dinner or whatever, but it’s not the norm. Esp with a 21 year old where everything in her life is a crisis or super serious even though to an older man we know that in the long-run whatever it is she’s worried about is actually silly.
“I figured no harm in pushing hard even if I burnt her.”
lol only harm is a false rape accusation. If you decide to go this route, make sure you do a follow-up txt to avoid it. I like to tell them to txt me when they get home so I know they made it safe, and then get a quick little “hope you didn’t get in trouble. I might be a bad influence on you ;)” flirt going and then meet up with her again sometime and get the full lay there.
If you go ice cold aloof on them after this situation, they tend to interpret it as “he was lying when he said he was interested in me, he just wanted to fuck me, and because I didn’t put out he’s ditching me, wow what an asshole, I didn’t even want to be there, you know what I think that was sexual assault, my feminist friend I told about this interaction said he tried to rape me!!” and you’re fucked.
So when you decide “eh, let’s burn this to the ground”, you’re accepting the responsibility of having to flesh out your interactions afterward to let her down slow and easy. Like if you just sent her home when she first freaked out with a “it’s cool, we’ll hang out again” you wouldn’t need to worry much. But if you decide to burn it until she absolutely HAS to leave, you have a bit more “make sure she’s feeling good emotions about what just happened” maintenance to do.
“and when we actually started arguing on a logical level (i.e., I was trying to change her *mind* instead of her *mood*) I knew that it was a lost cause.”
Ya, change her mood not her mind, if you find yourself logically debating shit change your tactics or bail, you’re very unlikely to turn things around with that approach with girls.
“My last three dates have come right to my place after 1 drink with zero resistance. If I hadn’t heard what you’ve pulled off – I’d never have tried to shoot for stuff like having 1 drink in a cheap pub with a 21 year old and walking her to my place and taking her clothes off.”
Solid. People don’t believe me when I tell them that’s how it goes for me (I’ve had girls PAY for our drinks too lol so literally $0 for me) because they’ve never really tried it or believed it was possible.
One thing I always like to point out when a guy hits this situation is: Would having a million dollars in your bank account have made that pull go down any faster? Would having a BMW or being better looking or younger or taller or a 6-pack have gotten you any faster a pull back to your apartment (where sex would’ve happened if logistics hadn’t fucked it up) than “one drink in a cheap pub”?
Is she going to be like “for the normal older guy I’m going to just have sex with him after one drink, but for the 6-pack rich guy I’m going to suck his dick under the table in the pub!!!!”? Like, if anything a suit and expensive martinis would’ve made her self-conscious or intimidated.
Ya, that stuff can help in areas, but like you don’t really NEED it when you understand seduction/attraction. Some guy spending 80 hours in an office in his 20s building his bank account instead of out macking girls is really doing himself a disservice in the longrun.
“LOGISTICS are massive. As I get slowly better and get more confident of my skills – I’m finding that I get tripped up by logistics a lot more than any flaw in my skills”
Ya this is common. Logistics are generally out of your control. You can screen for a lot of them (like you could get into rapport about family and ask if she has a curfew to find out your timeframe etc.) but like, there’s always the potential of being blindsided.
The key is that you can’t control HER logistics (though you can try to minimize/circumvent them) but you SHOULD be controlling YOUR logistics. So you should know exactly where your Day2s will be, which table you’ll sit at, how you’ll extract, how you’ll get them up to your apartment, how you’ll go from your door to your bed, etc. Like that’s all shit you can control. I always give a “wtf did you expect” look to guys who tell me they took a girl to some restaurant far away from their apartment (so not only is it a big commitment to come back to your place but you fed them food so they feel fat and gross and still expect them to want to get naked for the first time in front of you??), or they live with roommates or far from the bar area so they went back to the girl’s place and surprise she has 5 roommates and used to date one of them.
Control the logistics you can control. If you’re some young kid who still lives with his parents or your car blew up or whatever and you’re forced into shitty logistics, just control the ones you CAN control. Get creative. Nowhere to bang? Is it warm out? Then you have every alleyway in the city to bang, frame it as an exciting adventure lol Bang in a bathroom, do you know which bars have bathrooms with no cameras outside of them? Why not? Control what you can control.
“at one point she even said “We can’t actually have sex today” and I talked right over her [probably on her period].”
That’s actually a good read lol Secret girl code in her wording.
Good shit all around. Props on the progress.
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@YaReally – this long breakdown finally popped up. Good stuff. I’ll particularly remember to make sure to arrange the seating so that she can only see me but I can see incoming distractions.
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@Culum
Thanks for the questions game summary, big help – you’ve pointed out some weaknesses I can work on. Sounds like we’re in the same age bracket, & I had my first 21yr old day 2… which didn’t go quite as well as yours, but I know why now. Cheers fella.
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“Took Kant/YaReally advice from last time about younger/college girls”
Hey Culum, if you’re still here, what advice are you referring to there? I read all of yareally’s posts but I don’t remember anything specific about dressing down for younger girls.
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@Truman – it will be in the Yareally archive. From mid Feb. Both Kant and Yareally responded to a field report from me about an 18 year old being nervous when I took her to a nice cocktail bar in a suit
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Thanks, found it, it’s at this post:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/02/15/comment-of-the-week-balancing-comfort-with-anxiety/
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Thanks, found, it, “Comment Of The Week: Balancing Comfort With Anxiety”, from 15 Feb (in case my post with a link never makes it out of mod).
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CH: I am not sure how that massive post got through the mod – but thank you!
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That’s the fattest chick I’ve ever seen in a bikini. The others aren’t anything to write home about either.
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