If, near the end of a mutually rewarding date, the girl lasciviously invites you back to her place, but once there, despite your best efforts and tightest takeaway game, steadfastly refuses to bang and taunts you with the prospect of night-long cuddling, you have a control freak with Golden Gash issues. Leave immediately, and wish her well during her stay at the spinster-in-training school for the reformed slut.
Insurmountable last minute resistance is unforgivable when the girl has made the blatant overture for a nightcap and opens her own place to you. This is nothing less than a bitch power play. The only way to beat a crazy, cock-creviced chick playing this game is to deny your participation. The last thing you want is to be that beta guy stuck in a situation where hours are spent fruitlessly begging for pussy table scraps like some street cur. If it’s heading in that direction, kick yourself out on a subtly underdramatic note, and head home with your pride intact.
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I have started doing that to women because I am a sadist – the effect it has on them is worth the frustration alone. How dare I turn down sex from them, or “are you gay”? I love bursting the inflated egos of American women. One chick stormed out in tears and immediately texted her friend “what a jerk”
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YES 1000x yes. Spurning women and then watching their apoplexy is in many cases better than sex with them. I have had them get rage violent and go psycho.
Then there are the ones who cannot believe I am throwing them out of my house. I say “you need to get the fuck out.” And they are asking wha? like they are unable to parse the sentence.
You. Get. The. Fuck. Out. NOW. Get the fuck out, get up, get your shit, leave. Go away, i want you out of here now. Find the door walk the fuck thru it, get the fuck out.
I’ve tried 50 different ways of saying the same thing and they may as well be from another planet…
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Sure, and you know she texted that after she had left.
This reminds me of that boasting crap some weeks ago that CH posted, a letter by “a European” bragging about fucking American women who were all trash, etc. Standard empty chest-beating for a certain kind of greaseball. Wouldn’t happen to be you, would it?
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Nah Homes… that such tight ass game from my playa. Bitch gone be begging for his shit…. Yeah booooooy! Just be cool and wait for her to text you to come round and get all up in it playa.
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Are they confused because they have no idea what they did wrong. They thought they were just enjoying your company and getting used to you particularly if they are relationship girls (and not casual sex girls).
If you did that to me, I would be surprised thinking we were getting along really well and enjoying the foreplay. I would be looking forward to more sexual tension so that when we were exclusive I could spoil you and make you feel amazing.
At least you’re honest about being a sadist.
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I have my phone set up to call me so that I can bail with the old – “I have to take this.” Now normally, I turn the phone off when things are going well, but if it’s a first date, or I’m auditioning a new woman so I don’t know where things will go, I always make sure that I have an “out”… Although to be honest, I just do not have the time to waste on women that I don’t know how things will end up these days.
Only those nights when I’m engaged in one of my hobbies do I have any time for something like this. But since they are part of the conveyor belt so that I have women to my liking to choose from, I do not neglect the fundamentals. But due to the way I have things set up, by the time we are “going out”, I know she is interested in more than wasting time.
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huh?
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Haha! Great post. I had this happen last summer. After she fell asleep, I went down into her kitchen, ate a bunch of stuff and drove home.
The next day she called; I didn’t answer. Day after that, the same thing. And after that. She got like George Costanza in that “Seinfeld” episode, leaving crazier and crazier messages. Finally she wrote me an email and told me to fuck off.
It’s been nine months and I still haven’t acknowledged her since that night. I’m still getting emails from Linkedin saying she “wants to connect.” Anyone know if she’s behind this or Linkedin? I signed up but never used it.
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next time leave her toilet clogged and steal something. If women try this shit with me, I get up and leave. Had one bitch who was butt naked now saying she didn’t wanna fuck. I just put my clothes on and left. She wasn’t worth persuading.
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Indeed, it happens. Anyone who says it hasn’t happened to him, I say is a guy who hasn’t dated much. You meet all kinds.
One thing to remember is that if she says you shouldn’t have sex, don’t argue. If she has to formulate the reasons, then the situation just got a lot more difficult. You can just say a casual “Sure,” and talk about something else. The evening can still be salvaged.
And as CH has noted, if she explicitly mentions sex – not just a “let’s just have dinner, I have to get up early tomorrow” but she actually says sex – that means you have a good chance of getting it. A woman doesn’t say the word sex to a man she would never sleep with. This happened to me last fall, and I just proceeded with the evening the same way I would have if she hadn’t said we shouldn’t have sex. Again, key here is to not argue, not make her voice her reasons why.
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There’s an older post on here about that very fact of once a girl say’s she’s not going to sleep with you, she’s pretty much going to sleep with you.
Axiom #0 for “pay attention to a woman’s actions, not her words.”
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Correction: Last fall, and this February. So when I heard the girl say this February that “Okay, we can go to my place (just a stone throw away from where we were sitting at the time) but I don’t think we should have sex”, I just grinned, thinking of the last girl.
One thing I like with long elevator rides: there is not much to do except start the foreplay. It is a public place but still private as long as the elevator is moving, so it’s perfect. Plus every girl has seen it on TV, the scene where the man and woman kiss in the elevator, and then stand there suspiciously quiet with disheveled clothes when the doors open. Girls always want to try the make-out scenes they’ve seen on TV.
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LinkedIN is the creepiest stalker out there. It finds ppl you met once or who you never want to see again and will bombard you an them with invites. If you’re in her address book, it will come after you if she clicks the wrong button.
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Ehh, it’s like Facebook, keeps trying to read your contacts in, say, gmail, and get you to sign up, .Chick in question was probably dumb enough to go for that allow-access-to-contacts thing, and it’s actually built in that LinkedIn will keep adding him.
Not saying she’s not a psycho stalker, but that’s how LinkedIn does it. If you own a business, do a lot of networking, it can still be worth it. I really never thought of LinkedIn as a dating site, though. Check the “request to connect date,” those stay active for years until you either accept or decline.
Back on topic, before I’d completely transitioned, Within a month, I had three different women come to my apartment, to my bed, get naked, then tell me, it was the “wrong time.” And these chicks were like my age, I was completely unprepared for it. I mean, we’re not 12 here. I live alone in a two-bed, so I took my dog and crashed in the other room. They’d leave before we woke up. Then I was polite but indifferent if I chanced upon them again. (Kind of a small town where you see people each day.)
The solution to that problem, of course, is not to date women my age.
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I can understand her frustration. She was like: “If you’r angry with me please direct that anger onto me, please please.”
Then, after is was clear you were butthurt she had to cross you off the list.
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“After she fell asleep,…” what where you waiting for? For her to grow a dick and take you from behind?
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Not exactly the same since it was my bed, but I once brought a couchsurfer into my bed after heavy makeouts in the disco. Then she wouldn’t take her panties off, and said she wanted to cuddle. I kicked her out of the bed and told her, we either have sex or you go sleep on your bed. She got back into my bed and we fucked twice that night, and a lot more during the rest of the week.
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http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/03/25/attention-parents-what-spring-break-really-looks
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Lol. Exactly. I’m banging four 9’s and a hard 10 and the other night one of them tried pulling this with me. Later baby! Lol. I’ll leave her to betas like you guys who don’t work on your game!
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BPD girls are horrendous, I think a lot of post-pill guys happened across bpd, they will rape your mind so bad. Glad I got out of that fairly intact.
I got a question for some of the guys, I’m starting a new job in a new city, so fresh start, there are a few cute HR chicks at work, it is worth doing ANYTHING with them, or ‘don’t shit where you eat’ kind of thing and stay away from work relationships?
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watch Gone Girl and make sure you surreptitiously video tape your exit
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Is it just me, or do girls that identify as bisexual have a tendency toward BPD?
It goes without saying that they’re more slutty, so maybe that explains it. One leads to the other, which leads to the other.
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All just a sign that something up there just isn’t working right.
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Hey though, both have their place, you just need to maintain frame even better than otherwise.
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Most women who use the phrase are saying they’re more sexually open i.e. down for a mff 3some with you. Many are also trained to respond positively to attention, and have learned that will get it. Remember that women are more sexually fluid and don’t have the social conditioning about homosexual behavior a man would have (notice your response to that word as an example).
On top of that, BPD personalities have a tendency towards rapidly shifting shallow displays of emotion and attention-seeking behavior: a sort of inverse corollary to NPD.
Combine those factors and you have a recipe for the behavior. There are women who will say this that will change their story over time. They say this especially when they’re younger and more socially indoctrinated, or older and “less judgmental” (past the point of social repercussions being relevant to their mating behavior). Given a strong relationship they tend to settle down.
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“she has to bang if she has taken the move”
girls seem to be cattle to you..
u take one..on to the next.. *satisfy me, woman!!*
on to the next.. whadoes this never ending
chase for pussy really give you..
when the girl is a goal n not a road 2uu..**
u seem so lonely n emotionally detached..
the only girls u attract r dose datt r
reformed slut cus u, no, no heart, only
thoughts n logic; no feeling!
so, thoughtise/headiste; u attract
what u r.. n u r a heartless person?
den u gonna attract headfull bitches..*
u prolly already KNOW ppl r gonna:
“he a rapist; she agreed to take him up;
so now she gonna have to pay in BOOTY”
but u dont even care.. any more..
cus u have turned yourself into a
social perona non grata..
the only thing that keeps ya minD away from
the fact that u r balding n alone.
is to verbally spread hate around
women cus they sense it n
dont wanna reward your hatefucks n desperation..
just to replace one feeling of loneliness n childhood trauma
that makes u feel un lovable.. with one emotion
that seems easier for u to controll..
cus izz all about control for u isnt it..
controll makes your inner pain subside..** 4 just a moment at least.. u
can forget your souls inner pain,, by killing sheep in the world..
how long will that hate satisfy yuour inner hole in yaah soul, hmm, dude.??*
but u r so emotionally detached,
n u in ya head, bald n old; datt u pretend nott to care..**
the only way u can feel something, is to make
others feel anything.. sadly the only thing u can
make girls feel in this age u r in; seems to be neg. feelings..*
OTHERWISE; SHE’D JUMP YOUR bone immediately..
she makes u feel inferior..cus u r!! SHE SHOWS YAH da truth..
accept n change instead.. why u think just she, got into yah world..??
maybe u know u got ntn 2 offer.. so this is your butthurt ness talkin..’
U KNOW u dont contributwe to her souls development, n she..can feel it..**
she feels your selfishness n emotionalt detachment
n bad social khamra as a cloud arounds yaaah.. n just responds from god.
to write borderline rape suggfestions for women regarding ppl
who r just as fucked up as u, reading it, in just as menthal deep shit is just yur souls way of coping n regurgitating cuz u feel inferior to a womans warmth..**
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Were we even meant to read this? I’m not trying to be glib but I can’t understand that.
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But before you leave, dump a fumescent stool in her toilet and don’t flush. Extra points if you leave the bathroom door open, too.
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Lol. Awesome. Maybe slap her around a little too?
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If, near the end of a mutually rewarding date, the girl lasciviously invites you back to her place
Never experienced this, so it never happens, lolz. Only ever got a call to come over from a fakkbuddy.
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happened to me a couple of times.
both chicks did settle for a fairly decent goodnight-blowjob tho.
no idea what that meant in terms of bitch power play…
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maybe the question is less; *why does someone do this to uu*
n moore of *why do u attract someone on to your life like datt*
maybe iss a sign from the universe datt u r underperforming
in some area of yah life.. there is a reason u attract just*
Dat kind of im partial match, n maybe the answer is within yaah..*
why u think so lowly of yourself, so u have to bring others doown..**
instead of liftign em up.. to yaah own level.. maybe they r above yaah..**
[CH: you sound retarded.]
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I put your gibberish through Google translate and got – ‘victim of public education.’
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Poor GBFM impersonation would not read again
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maybe u r weak n puttin’ out them weak signals.. so improve instead,,** of whinin like a f**** bitch who takes it upp her ass or something lalalalalal!!*
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That Golden Gash is tarnished anyway. More like a spittoon tin.
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ALL OF THIS. A few years ago a girl I met through an online dating site did this. She was sending me underwear pics leading up to the date, and we met up close to her place because she said she wanted me to stay over. Then once we got to her place she stripped naked but refused to touch me or let me touch her. Not knowing any better I spent the night but couldn’t sleep due to intense blue balls.
The thing is this girl wasn’t anything special, she was maybe a 5. She was also very open about all the meds she was taking and how she had incredible anxiety issues. She showed me a photo of herself with no hair – She had to shave her head because she’d pull out chunks of hair and the only way to stop doing it was to have no hair at all. Needless to say this chick was nuts to the max and I figured she’d be easy. Nope. I learned a lot from that date, like to stop pursuing crazy and to delete my dating profile.
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@ng85 A girl I was banging regularly suddenly just broke it off because as she put it she didn’t like how close we were getting. One day we were all over each other…the next day she didn’t know me.
But…she had told me the following: 1) she was on meds 2) she had suicide fantasies and had tried to kill herself by drinking drain cleaner in front of her parents because they had a fight 3) her parents made her see a shrink which she did but “didn’t tell her everything”…
This was a very hot looking girl with an otherwise great personality. But….in front of her friends she must have hid this stuff or otherwise used it for sympathy. I listened but didn’t pedestalize her.
Also she told me her dad and ex bf were always babying her…I didn’t do this. I took her to places but otherwise was alpha in how I talked to her and managed her.
So conclusion: any girl who tells you up front she has issues…..has issues.
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“So conclusion: any girl who tells you up front she has issues…..has issues.”
THIS. From personal experience all girls have baggage which is slowly revealed to you as they feel more and more comfortable with you. For example, I was in a relationship with a girl who seemed sweet and wholesome, but the first time we got really drunk she cried for about 4 hours straight and brought up all these old demons from her past that frankly scared the shit out of me. Being a sap I stayed with her, and her first blow up ended up being nothing compared to the level of crazy she displayed towards the end.
So if a girl comes outright and says she’s crazy or does batshit stuff then it’s time to RUN FOR THE HILLS! Because if that’s what she’s comfortable bringing up to a complete stranger then what the fuck else is she hiding?
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Around ten years ago a buddy of mine started “dating” (more like regularly f*cking) a chick that he had met through an online dating website.
A month into their “dating” while out at dinner, she starts to cry when explaining that she (in her mid 30’s) had been divorced.
My buddy was, ok no problem.
Around a month later, the same thing happens but she confesses that she had been married twice.
My buddy fucked her for a few weeks more and then intentionally sabotaged the relationship so that she got pissed off and left him.
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Well I hope this is anonymous….
This happened to me in college.
The girl and I go out, have quite a few drinks, start getting quite grabby and kissy-face, basically having a whale of a time.
She invites me over, in what I imagined to be a lascivious manner.
Things are looking good.
We get to her place and the making out starts up, this time with way more urgency. Hands are everywhere. Clothes become too heavy to wear and are cast aside.
Bedroom. Both butt naked.
And….nothing.
No fuck.
No suck.
No hand job.
No tit fuck.
No anal.
No nothing.
She is acting irritated, as if I have made a huge and impertinent assumption.
I of course have a huge and impertinent erection, and it is getting irritated that there is nothing happening.
Horny and full of alcohol, I employ every tactic in my meager armamentarium.
I get mad, I accuse her of cock teasing, implying that there is nothing worse.
I cajole, beg, plead, suggest every alternative, even try some low level lunging at her, all to no avail.
Drunk, defeated, tired, with blue ball and purple boner, I finally fall asleep.
The morning comes. The sunlight streaming through the window illuminates her golden blonde curls as they spill across her back and shoulders.
It also illuminates the inescapable fact that, while the rest of me slept, my penis remained rigidly tumescent.
Quietly, so as not to awaken my slumbering paramour, I threw a knee up on the bed and jerked off all over those golden curls. There was….a lot.
Then, clothes on and out the door.
Seriously, if looks could kill, I wouldn’t be here today.
The next time I saw her she looked at me with the rage and hatred of one billion ISIS decapitators.
But the squirrel got a nut, and the nut job got a protein treatment for those lovely locks.
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I wish the BPD ex-girlfriend that ended up pregnant, playing mindfuck games, and costing me a lot of $$$ decided to just cuddle with me. I wish. BPD is no joke gentlemen.
If you’re out hunting, you need to know what animals aren’t good meat. BPD walk around in the fur coat of other species.
They will idolize you quickly after meeting.
They will cry if they feel like you’ve insulted them (while in the “idolization” phase, later it will be rage).
They will be clingy – wanting to be around you ALL the time (BPD = abandonment issues).
Extreme jealousy (don’t give her access to phone pin, even under the guise of needing to use – it will be gone through).
Once they start getting a stronger emotional connection, then the real crazy comes out. Uncontrolled rage, blame game, lies.
You better make damned sure you’re using protection and dispose of it yourself. I’d recommend bouncing at the jealousy phase. GET THE FUCK OUT.
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Tell yourself she has an outbreak of warts or herpesand is embarrassed, then just turn and leave.
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Does this still count if she agrees to come to *your* place and then pulls the Golden Gash act? This is a lot more common.
I know CH is talking about the absolute batshit crazies who put up insurmountable LMR, but it’s worth saying that if your LMR and token resistance game is tight enough you can *often* pull off the bang on the second meeting, even with what seems like an A-grade certified cock-tease.
The same-night-lay pull-back happens a lot to guys who present so well that they’re seen as potential boyfriend material. This used to happen to me a lot in my 20s until I tweaked a couple of things about my game. YaReally covered this quite well in the comments section of a a recent post.
But even now, I often still get the same-night-lay pull-back, only to have a fairly easy passage on the second meeting. There’s a certain percentage of girls who just do this. They just want the security of that first meeting not resulting in sex, so they can rationalize it. (Reasons for this have been covered ad nauseum in these parts.)
It doesn’t matter how tight the rest of your game is if you don’t have really tight LMR and token-resistance strategies. You WILL get fucked over, and you’ll miss out on banging many girls you could easily have banged.
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This situation happened to me but in reverse. The girl didn’t invite me to her place, she came over to mine and liked coming over and just cuddling or cooking for me but wouldn’t kiss me.
After 2 dates like this I disappeared. I then reappeared and re-engaged her, texted to meet up. She replied in a few seconds. We agreed to cook together. She came over all dressed up….after dinner…same thing…nothing.
She told me she wouldn’t kiss me or do anything more until she knew me better and knew I was a “gentleman”.
So I was pleasant and upbeat about it…didn’t draw any attention to this, I simply dropped off the map.
I ran into her at a bar and ignored her. She texted to see if everything was “ok”…”yes, tired” I replied.
I saw her a few weeks later and blanked her. She looked like she was about to cry…but made zero effort to reach out.
I wasn’t upset by all this. I just felt I was wasting my time. If after two hangouts or outings she comes over and nothing happens….it’s a waste of time.
It’s also a control thing on her part…she gets to be in the company of a cool dominant guy without having to give up anything…her time is more valuable than mine, her goodies are more desirable than mine.
I guess I could have re-engaged this one…but couldn’t think of any reason to. Yah, I liked her, she was fun and a great cook, dressed well etc…but I think I was kind of turned off by the whole attitude. The pre-game me would have kept chasing.
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Last time this happened, I got a 10 second handjob.
Here’s what went down, in brief: met her at a club, flirted, kissed–heavy make out. Her: 27, hot in a skankish sort of way, a face you want to blast loads on but not really kiss. Brunette, thin, tomboyish, somewhat low energy.
At the end of the night she said, “you can come home with me, but….you’re not staying”. right. In the taxi we’re talking and her tits came up: “my tits are, like, really small, you’re going to be like ‘what the hell’ when you see them later on”.
Major cocktease, or guaranteed fuck? Hmm.
I have her on the couch. Surely the bang isn’t far removed. We start making out. I suck her tits, and–I just whip my cock out. She handjobs me for a few moments, maybe 15 seconds, then says, “I….don’t know…uh, I don’t think I’m ready”.
MY COCK IS STILL IN HER HAND.
We make out some more, but then she gently pushes away, saying she just got out of a 7-year relationship. I de-whip my cock back in my pants. “You have a big cock though, my gay friend was right, he said you look like you have a big one”.
(It’s not that big).
After soothing her with some fluff talk, she says “fuck…I’m deciding now whether to bring you upstairs or not. But I don’t want to regret it in the morning”.
My dopamine is spiking like wild. I admit to loving the uncertainty. I wish though I didn’t give a fuck and just walked out. But my eagerness showed. She then settled on, “sorry, I think you should go”. she was friendly about it, not hostile. I ended up getting a taxi. She didn’t respond to my texts. Oh well. The next night I met a hotter bird, and I’m still shagging her (aka dating) 6 months later.
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@ ng85:
Out of morbid curisosity, what kind of demons are we talking about?
Could you give a few examples of the crazy she displayed towards the end – self harm? wild accusations?
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How about texting a bro to call you, then have a fake conversation implying a female along the lines of: “Oh hey what’s up? Doing your nails again?, uh, yeah I’m not really busy…OK, sure, see you in a bit…”. Then say your good-byes….
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It doesn’t make it any better, but at least I know now why women pull this sort of bullshit. This used to happen to me a lot back in the day and it just baffled me. Why get all hot and bothered if you’re not going to do the deed? Naturally, the answer is women’s feeeeelings. She just loves the fact that she can deny you. Man, this sort of thing should be taught in high schools.
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The problem lies in your thinking she has to do the “deed”. How can you say equality (ie. feminism) is bullshit and then in the bedroom you start to negotiate waiting for her to agree with you?
Yes this means going back in time where it was not a crime to be aggressive in the bedroom. If she really doesn’t want it she will hit you in the nuts. As long as it feels like she’s not at that point you’r good to go.
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Refusing to beg for pussy is rape culture!
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“If, near the end of a mutually rewarding date, the girl lasciviously invites you back to her place, but once there, despite your best efforts and tightest takeaway game, steadfastly refuses to bang and taunts you with the prospect of night-long cuddling, you have a control freak with Golden Gash issues. Leave immediately, and wish her well during her stay at the spinster-in-training school for the reformed slut.”
Uh oh, sounds like CH couldn’t pass a shit test, lol
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I’m gonna say the more resistance the more exciting. You Americans seem to have a hangup when it comes to raw aggression in the bedroom.
Sluts usually have lot’s of sex so they need it more extreme to be equally excited.
Just imagine a russian bad boy handling a typical russian girl, hes not gonna ask for the resistance to be given up now does he.
Of course the minute you start to be aggressive it’s rape in america.
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Max,
This. What this girl wanted was alpha indifference and raw aggression plowing past her LMR (like in the Louis CK standup bit) and CH failed to do this–it’s essentially a shit test. Of course if CH had actually done what she wanted, this could be considered rape, so no one should actually attempt this in America.
This type of girl must really have the current feminist landscape lol
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This is one of the sketchier parts of pickup for sure. Calibrating it is damn hard and a newb trying it is a recipe for disaster.
A cute hula-hoop girl I was seeing last year would play coy until my dick was inside her every damn time. It was the deepest shit test ever. If you weren’t man enough to just take it you weren’t going to get to fuck her, end of story. In her case, my slut spidey sense tingled and I knew it was good and plowed through. Seeing a video of the first time we had sex, you’d be like “wow lumpy that was kind of fucked up actually, is she ok?” and a court would not have looked on it favorably. We ended up hanging out for like 4 or 5 months after lol.
Weekend before last I ran into a similar situation that has puzzled me to no end. Met a 28 y/o 8.5 blonde shut-in who claimed to be a virgin at a small private party. Not particularly religious. She also claims she’s never been high and has only had sips of booze because she hates the taste. Incredibly smart, one of the wittiest girls I’ve ever met, if weird as fuck. I believe her. I give it an 95% chance she’s had 2 dicks or fewer in her. My physical shit is damn good, and I hung out with her for like three hours after the party in this lounge area because she wouldn’t let me into her room. She wouldn’t kiss me or let me touch her pussy or tits, but everything else was fine and she had no issue with mad SOI, eg. she was dancing spazzy and I said “give me a heads up if you’re gonna have a seizure the first time I touch your clit. My parents both work for a hospital so safety is important.” No objection from her.
Picked her up a couple days later, and we went shopping at the grocery store. Cooked at my place and goofed around with her. Same story as before touch wise. Finally got her into my room with shirts off and she only gave the most hesitant of kisses. I tried to mini freeze out a couple of times to see if she’d chase, but she’d end up in her own imagination and telling me random ass stories for however long I waited with zero chase. She didn’t even notice that she was being frozen out lol. Through “consensual rape game” I got her pants off but not the panties and my spidey sense was screaming “go for it!”. But every time I did she’d freak and it’d take like 5 minutes to talk her down. She was especially weird about stuff that’d give her plausible deniability, like pinning her hands above her head and she told me no way in hell when I waved fuzzy handcuffs in front of her face.
Then at my insistence she jerked me off (no blowjob, I tried), which she clearly enjoyed, and called it a night.
The next day I get a massive freakout text about how aggressive I was. Do I want to come over and talk? I drive over expecting to have to defuse a bomb. We hang out in that little lounge area where she simultaneously friend-zones me and dumps me, telling me I’m really nice and she’s sure there’s a girl out there for me. WTF? FML.
I think I made the right call, but still there’s that creeper part of my brain that says she would have been down had I fully fully gone for it.
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@Lumpy Her hamster was in conflict…she’s there but resisting…she wants it but doesn’t want to be too obvious…
There are girls who want you to chase them…because they like seeing you chase. Whacking you off was a thrill for her. I had a girl I used to bang do this to me when I came through her city in January. She spent the night with me but wouldn’t bang me this time because she felt bad…but she liked being there…but …but.. but.
One thing that’s critical to understand and I’m slowly internalizing this is …there isn’t some “magic” word or solution to every situation. It’s a lot of calibration, trial and error and knowing when and how to back off.
This is why the “freeze out” and the “next” and the not responding if she flakes or says she’s busy or can’t meet…works so well.
Let her imagination do the work. She didn’t “friendzone” you…she ran off out of fear of closeness…big difference. She’ll be back. Just ignore her and let her come to you.
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@Lumpy – don’t want to trigger the mod gods, but in short you totally made the right call.
She may have been down for it, but not worth the risk especially in light of subsequent freak out text and the fact she is a near-virgin – that kind of thing is a virtual guarantee of being nailed for rape if she’d complained. I hope you have some subsequent positive texts to protect yourself just in case.
I posted a link a few months ago in the comments (and YaReally replied so it’ll be in his archives to) about some celebrity photographer who liked to convince models to have sex on camera and is now being accused of sexual assault because they have buyers remorse. He literally has proof of consent on video so there will be no criminal charges but even for him, his reputation is trashed.
I’ve not really noticed this (yet), but as I up my escalation game I’m sure I’ll start to run into it
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Thanks for the feedback guys.
walawala, I like your philosophy towards this. Your text help a month or two back was really helpful too. Got me some dates. đŸ˜‰
Culum, yep I don’t want to deal with any legal shit. I always text the next day to head off any regrets. Fast aggressive escalation is one of my deep joys in game! Total flash game, but I can finger girls while dancing pretty consistently and an insta-makeout happens every couple of months. It’s just like haha holy shit, I can’t believe girls are down for this! And they are.
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@lumpy reply in mods
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Hey Heartiste, I have a question, I am dating this girl who invited me back to her place after a great first date but I couldn’t get past the lmr. She said we are not having sex tonight, but I got to third base with her that night. I later found out in her past she invited a refugee guy from sudsan she really liked over to her house when parents were not home and he was all shy andnervous so she made the first move of kissing him and that led to a make out. Then he asked her for sex and she said no, but he was persistent and started getting mad and she said out of guilt and pressure she had sex with him. They dates for two weeks after that. After that relationship she told people she was raped or assaulted because she felt the sex was compelling. Is that why she put up resistance on our first date? Or did I just fail the one test?
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You didn’t fail any test, sounds like you did pretty great on a first night. I personally wouldn’t bang a man for weeks and until there was exclusivity and a relationship so she is either pretty laid back sexually or she seriously likes you.
The girl went as far as she was comfortable with you (and it’s more than most guys get despite all the crap you read on here and in the locker room it’s not true, men lie about getting sex like you wouldn’t believe).
The black guy before her is an evil fuk and has no feelings for anyone but himself. I bet he has the reputation of being a rapist if he’s hasn’t been deported or in jail.
You want fun and desire. Raping women wont get you either of those. it just makes you a bad selfish person. Not hot, not sexy and definitely not alpha. Alpha has options because he works on what women want (looks/ muscles, $money$/resources tatts, leadership, status and power), women beg him to be next in line.
Figure out what you want from women (sex only or a relationship) and follow men IN REAL LIFE who are getting what you want. Associate with them.
These articles are just guides on how to toughen up but not gospel. Toughening up too much and you’ll end up in jail or so angry on a shooting spree, being too soft will leave you playing video games or going on that shooting spree from resentment, find your balance.
No this was not a test by her. Go out again with her and it’s OK to push a little but at the end of the day her pace is the right pace. You wouldn’t want to be forced into sex from a big gay bear man would you? You’d feel sick and resentful. Don’t do it to any women. You’re better than that, aren’t you?
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I’ve always been baffled when men are complaining their girlfriend/wife is denying them sex. How are they doing that? Are they knocking you out cold turkey every time you try?
If not then the problem is caused by you being too scared to let your feelings (ie. anger/aggression) flow free. If your women is saying no it means i dare you to try harder, show me how much of a man you are.
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That sounds kind of rapey, don’t you think? I’m thinking most men here are learning game, not how to rape women. Surely, if it’s forced, it’s not fun for either party. I think everyone wants to be feel desired.
She’s not out to torture the man, she’s out to make the sexual tension high enough so she can orgasm. Consider it as foreplay.
Not everyone is out to get you and make you pay for the bad boys. Girls who really really like guys hold out. She wants you plus you love the hunt. Why stop all the fun even if the fun sometimes means blue balls. Waiting is a good thing.
If the girl is cuddling you but requesting you look after like in a relationship then it’s as stuffed up as FWB (just the other way around) and that’s unfair on guys and girls as there’s always someone who gets ripped off in either of these situations.
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