I’m hearing this off-tune braggadocio a lot lately from the usual leper colony of game haters: “I just walk up and make small talk like a normal human being, and get girls! Why do you game dorks make such a big deal out of it?”
Lemme clue you in about what’s going on behind the scenes here. At least a few of these “just be yourself” shoot-from-the-unhip variants are doing what they say — picking up girls and whisking them to the altar on nothing but small talk — but what they don’t tell you is the quality of girls they small talk into lustful abandon. Hint: They ain’t HBhubbahubbas.
Yeah, if you’ve got your shit together, and compose yourself that way, you can conceivably chit chat a 5 into a deep love trance. For example, sometimes to shake the rust off I’ll hit on plainer girls equipping myself with only an arsenal of small talk. Once, I saw a incipiently chubby, swipply girl in a t-shirt advertising some tropical locale she had visited. She was no great looker, easy on one eye, but respectable enough for practice, so I veered in with my game put on hold. I said “Hey your shirt. I’ve been there. Great place. Did you like it?”
No qualification, no push pull, no teasing, no escalating kino, no fission grade smirk, nothing except average guy fluff talk and (by then internalized) non-obsequious body language. Ten minutes later, she was smiling like a drunk porpoise. When it ended, no numbers exchanged, she looked almost annoyed, as if silently wondering why did I waste her time if I wasn’t going to ask her out.
Don’t misconstrue. Small talk is great, and it, like other tools of applied charisma, is a skill that can be honed and targeted to nuke vagina from orbit. Shit, half the men who fail at love haven’t even gotten to the step where actual words are coming out of their mouths around women.
But if you’re gonna play in the big leagues and throw your pitch at bona fide babes, you’ll need more to close the deal than a polite acknowledgement of her choice in breast coverings. (In fact, you’d do better to tell a hottie exactly that: “Hey, I like your choice in breast covering.” It’ll shock her into attraction.) You’ll need the knuckleball, sinker, cutter, and a little bit of unpredictable english if you want to stand out from the mob of scrubs.
*LSMV = low sexual market value
[…] “I don’t need game to pick up (*LSMV) chicks” […]
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*LSMV = let’s suck more vagina
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those kinds of comments say more about the speaker than the subject. of course people pick up without game at some point. the world is populated.
i don’t know why it’s so difficult to understand that game is about getting higher quality women. for the guys that really absolutely need game, a higher quality woman is just… a woman at all. but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t help improve any level of woman you’re getting currently.
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what color are you?
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Oh look, it’s the Negro thwack/whitemonkey/james troll coming to troll again.
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“what color are you?”
Game websites (like this one) have helped thousands of colored guys bed pretty white girls. In fact, no type of guys have benefited more from Game than colored guys aiming for white women.
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“Game websites (like this one) have helped thousands of colored guys bed pretty white girls. In fact, no type of guys have benefited more from Game than colored guys aiming for white women”
lol, congratulations CH, on contributing to the cuckold nation you bemoan on this very blog
[CH: it is the cross i bear. pop culture ref: the cross-eyed bear]
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It is only bad if colored guys fuck white women, if it is via leftoid-government fiat.
If a colored guy succeeds on the merit of his Game, then he earned it.
It is our job to better at Game, but don’t begrudge another man his Game, just by the color of his skin. CH will say the same thing.
A colored man with Game is our ally much more than some manboobz mangina who happens to be white (white manginas like Fattrolle are the ones specifically losing out to black guys with Game taking his fat white she-whales from him. Good, I say.).
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I’ve said “JBY” as advice recently and almost immediately recognized the error.
When Game acculturation is interiorized and a man is sufficiently reintroduced to his nature the premeditated legerdemain becomes autonomic and ceases to be inauthentic.
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“Just be yourself!” is one of those things people like to hear because it sounds easy. No need to learn anything, no need to improve. The speaker can sound like the guy with The One Solution, sounding superior because he has only one thing to teach, not many. “You don’t need all that, just do this!” It always finds an audience. It’s snake oil.
As for women, they like to say it because they don’t think of game from a man’s perspective, so they have little advice to give. “Just be yourself! Just smile and say hi!” And why should they stick their necks out with something more advanced, which could be proven wrong? Also, they don’t want to betray their fellow women. Any game, they think, is manipulation. They won’t teach you how to manipulate women.
(They’ll throw in a “You’ll find someone when you stop looking” if you ask for more. It is a paradox and complete nonsense – why should not getting out there help you meet more women? – but they love it because of the paradox. It is just like the movies they have seen, where people meet because it’s Destiny, and the guy who goes actively searching for a girl and does actual pickup is always punished with failure.)
And as a wise man said, when women say men should “just be themselves” they are thinking of a man they are already attracted to.
It is lousy advice to give to a guy who has barely had a date in two years, and no second dates. Yes, he’s “being himself”, but obviously he needs advice on how to IMPROVE.
Faced with that, the JBY-speaker always says the same thing: “Just be your BEST self!” Clever, isn’t it? He has covered all the bases! “your best” includes anything that helps a guy improve. So the JBYer can claim credit for any good piece of advice – without having to know any of it.
Does “Just be yourself!” work in other contexts, or is it only in pickup, out of all the fields of human endeavor? What about sales? “No need to learn anything, just be yourself!” Yeah, that works for the few natural salesmen. What about the rest, who need actual practical advice? And what about a public speaker? “Just be yourself!” works for the natural speaker, what about the other 98 percent? What about the writer, the dentist, the engineer, the carpenter, the sales clerk? What about swimming, skiing, driving a car, martial arts, playing an instrument?
“Just be yourself” doesn’t work for any of those – not in a single profession or hobby can you get by, straight off the bat, without instructions and without ever needing to learn anything more either by experience or through advice. Yet pickup is apparently the one field in all human experience where “just be yourself” is supposed to work. And for everyone? Amazing.
I have seen a lot of guys “just be themselves” and fail. Some of them make fools of themselves at the club and ruin their reputations so that no girl will go near them. Other guys go sexless for years and then have to settle for whatever girl chooses them, instead of having choices. But reality doesn’t deter the “just be yourself!” keyboard jockeys. It is all about sounding like the guy with the One Solution and win the thread.
If it did work that way, all guys would be experts. Because no matter what they are like, they are all “just themselves” most of the time and would find that it works. Which means women would be saturated with experts, which means there would be inflation in expertise, and so you would still need more.
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JBY vis-a-vis a lifetime of having been on the receiving end of the scorched-earth totalitarian War Against Boys, humiliated from the first day at nursery school when he was sent to “Time Out”, forced to endure every manner of Pink Pride propaganda throughout K-12, Ritalin and Adderall shoved down his throat because he couldn’t “Sit Still!”, SSRIs for his “Anger Management Issues”, not a single course in high school that could satiate what little curiosity he could still summon, budding young manboobs and FUPA instead of ripped abs & pecs, God forbid that he played soccer instead of real football. And that poor kid is gonna stand alone and face off against Evil Psychiatry Inc and the arson-induced civilization conflagration of Cluster B insanity? Get thee to the Dark Enlightenment, young man. Get thee to the Dark Enlightenment.
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JBY – as an example to my comment in mod – Boy Got a Haircut Like His Military Step-Brother, School Suspended Him http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3273163/posts
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The scorched-earth totalitarian War Against Boys.
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“game is about getting higher quality women.”
that’s the truth.
like you said, lots of people in this world. just about anyone can find somebody who will have them. doesn’t mean they are high quality people though.
before i knew anything about game, i was basically just settling for any girl who happened to be around and was into me. sometimes i would end up in full blown relationships with them. putting up with their shit, treating them better than they deserved, and wishing i was with someone else…someone better.
i can’t do that anymore. can’t even pretend to be into a girl like that now that i’ve experienced what it’s like to be with higher quality women.
takes more work to get better girls obviously. anything worth having is going to be harder to get than something that takes no effort at all. but i have no choice about it now. once you’ve had a taste of the good life, there’s no going back.
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“i have no choice about it now. once you’ve had a taste of the good life, there’s no going back.”
ain’t that the truth
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Indeed.
>>>“I don’t need game to pick up (*LSMV) chicks”
Sure. But why would you want to? Ever been in the gunsights of a 3 or 4 you weren’t attracted to? It’s profoundly uncomfortable and one gets the sense a full on Glenn Close-ate-my-rabbit episode is just around the corner.
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I’ve had a bunch of non-white buddies I helped learn game and fuck white chicks. Suck it, xenophobes lol if you were seducing those girls instead of crying about race online they wouldn’t be getting railed by my buddies.
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Take it easy, Iago… nobody will ever accuse you of sound racial hygiene.
You sound like the typical ‘Murrican schmuck who would strip his own daughter naked and present her to the blackest buck, if he though it would help the latter score more touchdowns for his alma mater on Saturday.
Continue rah-rahing your (ahem) team… your puerile neener-neenerism is more gamey than game.
Now, give us a few more of those insipid “lol”‘s and go shit on one of your conquests for that extra scat thrill that you enjoy so much… that is, if you can take the time off from congratulating yourself in re schooling your fellow muh-dikkers.
The true lzozlzozlzozlzolzolzolzol is a-comin’… as your “buddies” often say, when the re-bo-lu-shun git here, they’s black. You ain’t.
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Pretty much this is why you are useless. Typical deracinated scum. No respect for who you are and where you come from. You’d sell your blue eyed blond haired daughter to black with no fucks given.
I’m not surprised though, considering you’re a beer bellied idiot who dabbles in his own scat for sport. Your sense of life will always fester in a toilet bowl.
Shame on you and shame on your absent father.
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lol next time my buddy’s out with me we’ll find two of the blondest bluest-eyed white chicks to bang just in honor of you two. Any spawn he produces couldn’t possibly turn out worse than you guys 😀
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Before or after you and your buddy shit on them?
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I don’t think I’ll run into your mom a SECOND time.
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I see.
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There’s YaReally in a nutshell… neener-neener mudshark snarkery from the safety of his keyboard.
Not even smart enough to realize that how he goes about his business with women is just as much, if not more, of a reflection on HIS character and mentality as it is on their supposed deluded state and moral shortcomings.
Of course, they have an excuse, as women.
Even more amusing is the credit he thinks he’s amassing with his cuck activities to ingratiate himself to da bruthas… who themselves are laughing inwardly at the try-hard white boy.
Keep snarkin’, candidate for Perdition… one way or another, you are going to get yours.
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“There’s YaReally in a nutshell… neener-neener mudshark snarkery from the safety of his keyboard.”
I don’t get into deep debates with 4 year olds crying on the playground either. Consider my non-replies a reflection on how irrelevant your approval/respect is and how “not worth the effort to reply to” your goading attempts are. 🙂
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YaShitty said:
What’s the difference in psychology between this and a girl writing a 9 paragraph piece of textual performance art explicating how “she doesn’t care”?
Your diaper slipped, “”lol””.
Spelling out the subtext within your customary “lol” gives your feigned indifference away. Not very aloof of you, Yoda.
You’ve admitted your Game advice is nothing more than a regurgitation of your betters’ hard fought wisdom and experience. Surely you’ve contemplated the possibility of an original contribution you can place as your own in the Game cannon. I think it’s clear to you now what that original contribution is:
Scatology Game.
PS: I doubt your foray in scat play was a passing amusement while you were “finding yourself”. No, I believe it’s a habitual power play, playa, play acted in the sewer of your imagination where that power can be safely realized on the stinky chest of some broken slut.
You’re disgusting, bastard child.
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Well +1 for the Dickens riff, anyway.
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“Spelling out the subtext within your customary “lol” gives your feigned indifference away.”
lol
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[…] By CH […]
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Quick question regarding game, specifically body language.
Is it possible to ‘bring it back’, I.e. I’ve chatted to this girl a couple of times, both of which I had terrible body language (game newbie and I also really like this chick). I might be seeing her again in a couple weeks. So is it possible to essentially give a ‘new’ first impression, given enough time between meets?
Also, how would you go about removing the almost ‘younger brother’ sorta vibe. We have essentially known each other for years but she us ~5 years older. I tried nuking the shit out of it, but I think it was too much too soon…
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Sorry mate, you’ve got oneitis. Forget about her and go tune other girls.
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The best restart is always for her to see you with some other girl on your elbow. Abundance mentality. YOU ARE THE PRIZE. Make her earn the right to be the girl on your elbow. YOU ARE THE PRIZE.
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Prize chump!
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???
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Captain and Modern are correct. That girl will want you when she sees other girls wanting you.
But if you want to work on body language, look up “The Vacuum” from the Juggler Method and “The Oak”. Basically plant your feet as if you’re an oak tree and don’t freakin’ fidget. Slower body movements, deeper voice, slower speech. And check out bodylanguagesuccess dot com too.
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Send her a dic pic. Heh.
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You should represent the prize. U need to establish body language for yourself , not for the chick. Anyhow, all the advices u got are on point. Best way – definitely – land a hotter girl(s).
And five years older? Cmon man, take some practice if u grinding dry. But outer-space orbit should be her final destination.
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There’s a particular body language routine I’ve been working into my game – the description of which you may find helpful. Now, being a physically imposing 6 ft 250 lbs – planting myself like an oak tree and behaving aloof is simply too intense and intimidating for most – so I’ve had to calibrate.
I open women indirectly and let the conversation run breezy and chit-chatty – I make myself physically ‘smaller’ (drop my shoulders, hold my elbow with my opposite hand, feet close together, bend down and lean in, etc) – I also grin stupidly, drop eye contact and put a hand to my mouth, etc. … and bide my time until she says something innocuous like “I love the beach.”
Then I pounce. I square up in her personal space, stand tall, stare at her intently and speak slow and impassioned. I bloom like a thunderhead. I’ll emote away – in the most sensually detailed descriptive language I can muster – about, I don’t know – ‘the mingling smells of saltwater and wood smoke from a campfire – and the hypnotizing way the flames play against the dunes” – who cares really, it’s HOW you say it that counts – flash some occasional vulnerability – with ‘You’ve tapped on one of my passions – I hope you’re not just playing with me” etc … and by this point I’m holding both her hands. Then somewhere just after I’ve held her wrapped attention (and hands) for a few minutes or so – I accuse her of ‘turning me on’, go dead quiet and kino almost absent-mindedly.
Then I’ll walk away and take up a quiet spot and stare into the horizon – like I’m 100 miles away. If she follows – I return slowly, give her my best ‘welcome to my parlor said the spider to the fly’ smirk – and immediately go for the kiss.
The impression I try to convey throughout the whole routine is that she’s just tapped a well of emotion. The slowing cadence of my speech – all the physicality – is intended to amplify the emotional language. For me, the two key elements are – conversation has to start out ordinarily with a predictable sense of security – and I must escalate into the sexual zone before her forebrain returns to critical thinking and ttys to put the genie back in the bottle.
Now, one size doesn’t fit all – this routine works for my physical presence – and doesn’t necessarily translate – so adapt your body language and verbal coms to suit. But here, the first impression – safe, predictable and beta – is the trojan horse. So, start with what you’ve got.
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This is good stuff. I don’t have your physical presence, but the “tapping a well of emotion to access her emotions” thing is a good approach – I’m going to adapt it and try it.
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Solid. I do similar stuff and I’m only 5’9″. Squaring up on anyone and cutting the space causes unsettling feelings. In guys that translates to feeling threatened, in girls it translates to gina tingles.
Add laser eye contact in there (check the Liam and Gambler vids I always link on it) along with pauses in your speech and you’re basically soaking panties.
There’s a lot of other stuff this routine is doing, from qualifying her to letting her feel like she’s won you over (investment makes the prize more valuable) to creating mystery (why did THAT subject open him up) and the walk away shows outcome independence and is a compliance test to see if she follows to gauge how attracted she is etc etc
All good shit. The effect is more dramatic because of your size but the principles all work for normal dudes too. I square up on girls with a foot of height on me even lol. The big key is not “giving it away for free” by giving her all that shit off the word hello…that can still work but it has much more impact if you play the no fucks given card first so she feels like “I did something to cause this reaction of him being interested in me” instead of “he’s interested in all girls and gives me this attention from the word hello”. The latter can get you laid but the former can get her DEMANDING you fuck her and chasing you around the bar and calling you for months.
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I do think you can over analysize too much some times though ch
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Well fighting below their weight class for sure.
I think a lot of people that glance at “Game” mistake it for “a game”. Rather than examine it as a lifestyle or philosophy it comes off more as a bag of tricks. And in isolation a number of posts look exactly like tricks. Somebody with raw alpha ability wouldn’t consider what they have Game.
If they are good looking, well groomed, and naturally confident, even small talk will work on a 7.
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We who point out the limitations and deficiencies of game aren’t “game haters.” We are balance against the hype.
To redefine game in response to criticism is an exercise in moving the goal posts. Game is learned flirting, which is a skill and supplemental tool in the art of seduction — if you happen to need that remedial instruction — not the key to unlocking every heart (or vagina, as it were).
Gamers betray the depth of their faith-based zealotry in their binary reaction to those who question the Creed. One is either a full-on, paid-up member of the Church of Pooah, or one is a denizen of “the usual leper colony of game haters.” Game proselytizers react disproportionately to constructive criticism, calling anathema down on those of us who can pull off charisma without reference to some “love system” or other.
So to imply that a man simply cannot score a five or higher without paying obeisance to the Gods of the Gamebook Headings is churchified nonsense — or a huckster advertisement to “LSMV” dudes who have never on their own found any method to work. Meantime, the more studied and artificial one’s charisma is, the less likely it is to trigger the most appealing women.
But game traffics in artifice. It promises to equal if not one-up nature. And now it traipses off to cloud cuckoo land when it claims dominion over ” the big leagues.” The knuckleball tricks that get middling chumps called up from the farm team for a cup of coffee is not the same as the natural player with the 101 mph fastball. To confuse the two is a disservice to the very game this site advocates.
Matt
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“But game traffics in artifice. It promises to equal if not one-up nature. And now it traipses off to cloud cuckoo land when it claims dominion over ” the big leagues.” The knuckleball tricks that get middling chumps called up from the farm team for a cup of coffee is not the same as the natural player with the 101 mph fastball. To confuse the two is a disservice to the very game this site advocates.”
Know how I can tell you haven’t gone out and competed against natural players regularly for girls?
It’s not zealotry. It’s dismissing armchair theory for reality.
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YR, I’m not sure what your point is. In any endeavor in life, there’s going to be natural talent opposite hard work, with a little luck thrown in for good measure. If two people work equally hard, and if neither of them are particularly lucky or unlucky, then talent wins out every time. Hard work only has a chance if Mr Naturally Talented is also lazy, or is having a bad day.
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Or if Mr Naturally Talented feels sorry for his opponent, and tosses him a bone.
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@Captain Obvious
“If two people work equally hard”
But they don’t. People who are naturally talented generally don’t work as hard as people who have to make up for disadvantages that want the same goal because they don’t have incentive since they get enough success to be happy with their “above average but not perfect” skills. Naturals have PLENTY of loopholes to exploit when you know what to look for. I’ve talked about this before in my archives if you want to read more.
Or since it’s Saturday, go out tonight, find the coolest guys in the bar and try to take their girls.
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Know how I can tell you are a faggot striver who would need a cookbook to boil an egg, and an online encyclopedia to flirt with a woman?
Because you presume everyone who disagrees with you is burdened with your same disadvantages and is therefore living in a state of denial, as you were before your latter-day baptism into human interaction. Effortlessly attracting the hottest women is impossible according to your own “armchair theory” because you cannot conceive of such a “reality” on the ground.
You’re right. I haven’t “gone out and competed against natural players regularly for girls” because the “regular competition” does not present as much of a challenge to be studied, practiced, and overcome as it presents for you. The twinkle in my eye is apparently the equivalent of a thousand pages of After Action Report exegesis and application.
I know you work so diligently at crafting your artificial magnetism, and you are so proud. But not everybody does, and your crazed denial of that fact indicates nothing so much as sour resentment at those who don’t have to try so hard.
She’s out to take, no need to try.
She’s ready to make.
It’s so easy when everybody’s trying to please me.
Matt
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“Effortlessly attracting the hottest women is impossible according to your own “armchair theory” because you cannot conceive of such a “reality” on the ground.”
Never said that. I specifically said as long as no one interferes a Natural will do just fine.
“I haven’t “gone out and competed against natural players regularly for girls” because the “regular competition” does not present as much of a challenge to be studied, practiced, and overcome as it presents for you.”
lol if you’re a Natural then you’re just proving what I said: you fully admit you haven’t had a real challenge before so you wouldn’t know how to handle it. It’s a blind spot, and most Naturals have it. Guys just back off and let them have their girls or don’t interrupt the guy and create obstacles or competition for him so he runs around thinking “The twinkle in my eye is apparently the equivalent of a thousand pages of After Action Report exegesis and application.” because in his mind he’s battin a thousand. No one has ever stood in his way to getting the girl.
Shit changes when your competition knows what he’s doing. 🙂
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It’s easy to get dates…ask girls out…they say yes/no.
But game is about going for what you want….game is about tapping into a girl’s deepest primal desires and unlocking them.
I see so many guys with hot girlfriends…but they’re basically just there as security blankets because the girls see these guys as unlikely to stray: alpha fux, beta bux…
I also compare myself…without a knowledge of game it was all hit and miss….I didn’t know what I didn’t know.
Now understanding women’s desires better and how to tap into them AND working from a stand point of inner confidence demonstrating higher value…I can go after women I never thought I could before.
I do stumble…but now the mistakes are more mistakes around over-estimating my confidence or mis-reading cues…not outright stupid throwing myself at women mistakes.
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@walawala “I also compare myself…without a knowledge of game it was all hit and miss….I didn’t know what I didn’t know.”
Agreed. The difference between small talk and game is night and day, mostly because I know what she’s doing at different points in the interaction and how to respond, for the most part.
The before and after results are all the evidence anyone needs, anyway.
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> “But game is about going for what you want” WW, I agree, but then the question becomes: “Okay, what do you want?” If all you want is to maximize your notch count with HB8+ babes, all the while enduring no consequences whatsoever, then congratulations, you’re a male hypergamist riding his own little pussy carousel. I’ll leave out the lecture about Moar Whyte Babiez FTW, but the Dark Triad is called DARK for a reason. You can use Game towards a purposeful end [finding a woman worthy of being the mother of your children], or you can use Game purposelessly, and become an aging wrinkled droopy-tittied Man Who Looks Like An Old Lesbian. http://menwholooklikeoldlesbians.blogspot.com
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“You can use Game towards a purposeful end [finding a woman worthy of being the mother of your children], or you can use Game purposelessly, and become an aging wrinkled droopy-tittied Man Who Looks Like An Old Lesbian.”
true that
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I guess I don’t follow your logic. What about the way you use game would cause, or not cause, you to become “an aging wrinkled droopy-tittied Man Who Looks Like An Old Lesbian.”? I think it would more depend on whether you hit the gym or not, not if you found a woman worthy of being the mother of your children.
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@Captain : “or you can use Game purposelessly, and become an aging wrinkled droopy-tittied Man Who Looks Like An Old Lesbian. ”
Disagree. This is Blue Pill…finding “The One”…part of game is not to find the woman of your dreams…but to find women.
Male hypergamy vs settling? All Women once in relationships turn crazy….you have to constantly be gaming them. The minute I started to get comfy or complacent or …enjoy the attention I was getting…it all went downhill.
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The only thing possibly more pathetic than an aging childless barren Cat Lady spinster would be an aging wrinkled droopy-tittied has-been Playah who didn’t know when to call it quits and use his mad skillz to find a nice girl and settle down and raise a family with her. There’s a reason that Bruce “Kardashian” Jenner has his picture at Men Who Look Like Old Lesbians.
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And as for hitting the gym, Jenner won the gold in the olympic decathlon and was on the cover of Wheaties – you don’t get much more “Natural” than that. But fast forward 40 years, and Jenner’s been through at least three wives and now he claims to want to get his d*ck cut off and he just murdered [or at least vehicularly manslaughtered] someone on the freeway in California.
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This is one of your best comments.
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For the pic of Clinton squeezing the poor Russian whore:
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Yes, you definitely need to keep up your Game within marriage, unless you want to come home early from work one day and discover that your wife is in bed with YaReally. I’m just begging you Dark Enlightenment Playaz not to grow old and become a “Dick-ectomy” reality show joke like Bruce Jenner or a “Cop-A-Free-Feel” pervert like Joe Biden and Bill Clinton. There’s a time to play the field and there’s a time to settle down and grow old with a little dignity.
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@Walawala – yes, exactly. It’s about understanding the Matrix and applying that knowledge for whatever you want. Your goals are your own.
I have a theory that virtually all of us (non-Naturals) who started the process of learning Game and kept it up seriously have a few specific trigger experiences that push us. Along the lines of “That girl [x] years ago..was so into me but I totally missed all the cues and missed out on her..I’m going to learn to never miss out like that again” or “I fucked up so badly in my LTR in so many ways because I didn’t understand women..I’m gonna learn enough that it never happens to me again”.
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[…] I’m hearing this off-tune braggadocio a lot lately from the usual leper colony of game haters: “I just walk up and make small talk like a normal human being, and get girls! Why do you game dorks make such a big deal out of it? […]
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I like the “applied charisma” term, did it originate with Rollo T?
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Game is like any sport. Most people can pick up and play with little instruction, they might even score a point or two. Some people are naturals and play better than most from day one . But if you want to advance to the next level, you need to develop and cultivate skill that only comes through instruction and practice. Just-be-yourself-small-talk is amateur while Game is professional.
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Improving social skills is a worthwhile cause.
But really it comes down to this…90% of it is the women being interested in you, the other 10% is you not screwing it up by being socially inept.
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And game will bring about the 90 percent Earl.
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I think thats true to a point. You can have airtight game and the chick still might not give a shit though
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“90% of it is the women being interested in you”
she seems to know right away if she’s going to bend over or not. if she is, she makes it so easy to get to the finish line without being overtly or crudely easy. even if I drop the ball she picks it up and hands it back to me with a smile and acts like it didn’t happen. the flirting is easy and fun. I am the one giving the shit tests, and making fun of her big feet or whatever, I am the one qualifying her and it is so natural. It’s like having a good dance partner in that she wants to be led and show she’s good enough to keep up and do her part and she never steps on my toes or tries to take control.
When she’s interested she goes very lightly on the sarcasm, will talk about sex easily and in a fun way and makes it easy to move forward by constantly agreeing and saying yes to everything be it venue change or whether we play darts or pool or dance or even just in conversation. She knows exactly how to be feminine while still being interesting and all the while letting me lead and set the tone. It’s always great when she offers her number without me asking because she wants to move forward and I’ve set the right frame so she feels comfortable in the progression.
This is in stark contrast to the mega cunt antics we read about here. I don’t care how hot she is I won’t even engage anymore if she starts off caustic or overly sarcastic as this shows either she doesn’t know how to flirt or she’s decided she won’t bend over and just wants to be entertained for a minute so either way it’s a waste of my time. Next works because the next hb may be the one that’s immediately into you and then ~90% of the work is done and you aren’t wasting time and precious energy on a foregone negative conclusion or fighting just to get a dead end number.
There should be tension but not even a hint of animosity. It should feel like a game. This game is 50,000+ years old and she knows how to play when she’s feeling the right vibe. We do need game to be able to facilitate that effortless back and forth, control the final 10% of the process and move it to the final stage. Even though she knows it’s a game she wants to be in competent hands.
Spring has sprung and they all got the fever.
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‘This is in stark contrast to the mega cunt antics we read about here.’
Yes when she is like that there is no right words that would turn her from a ball buster to a sweetheart. Women who have their shields up won’t let them down easily for anyone no matter what they are packing in the arsenal.
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It’s been my experience in life that, whether a soft 5 or a hard 8, there are some girls that just don’t click with a fellow, no matter what… and other girls go for the same guy like wildfire, and will forgive just about anything.
And a wonderful world it is, when you find the latter and she happens to be your type of gal.
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I think any guy whose dealt with females probably gets this. Some girls no matter what you aren’t going anywhere…other girls you have no idea what it was about you that made them attracted to you.
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“And a wonderful world it is, when you find the latter and she happens to be your type of gal.”
a wonderful world indeed. she’s out there and I for one will be going out there to find her tonight.
love this place.
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“It’s been my experience in life that, whether a soft 5 or a hard 8, there are some girls that just don’t click with a fellow, no matter what… and other girls go for the same guy like wildfire, and will forgive just about anything.
And a wonderful world it is, when you find the latter and she happens to be your type of gal.”
this is the truth and it’s really important for guys to recognize this. it’s important to operate a little outside your comfort zone and no one wants a girl who is too easy to get obviously. but jumping through hoops to get a girl who doesn’t naturally click with you, is a big mistake.
you may be able to turn things around with these girls if you play your cards right. and overcoming the challenge is a real rush and can be fun for awhile. maybe you’ll even end up in relationships with them. i’ve done it.
but in the long run, if you’re wanting something for more than the short term, you have to be careful not to fall into the trap of busting your ass trying to make something work with a girl who probably isn’t right for you. that’s a big mistake and it will catch up with you later on down the road. you seriously gotta be careful what you wish for because you might just get it.
in relationships, you have to maintain the same level of gaming that you started out with and then you gotta be able to amp things up even more later on when real life shit happens. if you’re already operating at top level game just to get a girl, where are you gonna go from there?
once you’ve had a scenario where you really like a girl AND she is naturally really into you, you have great natural chemistry and affection from the start, AND you don’t have to be on all the time just to keep her interested, loyal, and devoted, you can see how absurd it is trying to make a relationship work with a girl who you have to jump through hoops for and convince to be into you. that shiz is exhausting.
game is obviously needed in any relationship. even with a perfect girl. but you’ve got a lot more wiggle room when she’s nuts about you and you have great chemistry from the start. you can let down your guard more and relax once in awhile. that’s far better than being on edge every day because you picked a girl who is high maintenance and needs you to be at peak alpha game level just to keep the peace and keep her around.
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Effective seduction is effective seduction. The game denier and the non game aware make the same mistake of ignorance (or willful ignorance) of game dynamics to explain their success.
Game has just codified the seduction process (by SMV!) and made it repeatable. If you choose to study and practice.
Every girl has a Rubik’s Cube in her head that spreads her legs. Every single one. The non game guys are just getting lucky in picking it up and twisting it this or that way and thinking they or the girl figured it out. The game guys, well it’s more like this:
Make your own choices, but don’t be deluded by what’s going on.
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Yeah, but thats just what walwala said above. Its easy to pick a date. However by exhibiting sub-par game, you turn switch off in no time.
Been there, done that. Also many guys who post here I suppose can tell you same stories.
I (unknowingly) took HB8 from her BF. Counting too much on attraction and “chemistry” I went off-guard, and nuked the LTR down with betaness.
Attraction without game will fail you in LTR.
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It all begins with a simple conversation–which as CH points out, so many men are unable to initiate–but it’s the charming, cocky jerk who bangs prize pussy in the end.
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The problem with Small Talk Game is, sooner or later she’s going to drop a shit test, or at least all girls that turned me on did: maybe I should try a girl who doesn’t turn me on?
And when the shit test comes, what do you do? more small talk?
As commented above, there are naturals who don’t need to study Game to respond to a shit test. The amazing thing to me is how these people are in denial about their using Game tactics like negs etc.
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‘And when the shit test comes, what do you do?’
Speak the truth.
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Unless something awesome immediately pops into mind, I handle tests by rolling my eyes, shaking my head, a few seconds of silence, then change the subject.
I do wonder, though, how to handle meta relationship talk — my experience is these discussions kill any sexy vibe and feel like pulling out rotten teeth, but some girls are obsessed with these meta-chats. Thoughts?
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Never let an opportunity go by to keep your mouth shut and let her do most of the talking, when it comes to that “meta relationship” stuff.
As I have often told my wife:
“What relationship? We’re married, fer cryin’ out loud!”
… followed by the duckiest duckface I can muster.
Gets her laughing… and thankfully off the topic… every time.
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Maybe it wasn’t clear that my question (my 2nd question, to be nerdish) was rhetorical.
Anyway to answer Philip: in my experience meta-relationship talk is a good opportunity to get dumped, which can save you the effort of dumping her. You have to know how to handle it, of course. I did not do it intentionally, I just stumbled into it.
If you don’t want to get dumped, then all what I can say is that there’s a fine line between sounding needy and sounding apathetic.
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Elliot Roger didn’t need game either.
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my biggest newbie sticking point right now about learning game is that: I fear of kissing the girl. I’m seriously convinced in my head (outside of the logical nothing bad can happen) that if I try to kiss a girl and she rejects me, she will start hating me and I won’t be able to continue.
I’ve started to kino escalate to erogenous zones lately, like the thighs, but in my head, the kiss is way above that, even if I know it’s logically just a small step higher.
I’ve missed some hard opportunities by escalating on her, but freezing, waiting, “hoping it will magically happen” when I had to make that move and lost the girl (like an “act now or never”).
Anyone have any suggestions for improving about that escalation? That would help me a lot.
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Yes. Just do it. Laser eye her, Kino her. When she is comfortable with the kino stay close to her. Keep laser eyeing with your face. 10 inches or less away from her. Then smoothly move in to kiss her. Worst case she starts to pull back. So. You hold frame pull back yourself and continue the conversation. Try again if the opportunit presents and the vibe is still there. No big deal.
If she says something like what are you doing? Just be cool and say she looked like she wanted to kiss you (mystery method) and then be cool.
If she turns her face to give you the cheek, don’t take it. Pull back and reengage later.
That’s enough for now to get started. Later when you don’t have this fear you can start hooking her chin and pulling toward you and stuff like that.
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“If she says something like what are you doing? Just be cool and say she looked like she wanted to kiss you (mystery method) and then be cool. ”
Damn, I could’ve used this a week ago, thanks for the comment.
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On the more optimistic side, a lot of the deniers may be more confident/applying more game principles than they realize when they’re “just being themselves.”
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I think this comes close to the gist of it.
Men who never have trouble clicking with the opposite sex may naturally find some of these (ahem) field reports and videos somewhat dancing monkeyesque and shake they haids over what appears to be a different breed of masculinity than what their frame of reference corroborates.
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Matt King claims that Game is bullshit.
What do you think?
[CH: a big obstacle for a lot of people trying to get a handle on game is the term itself. truthfully, it reeks of geek. i have always preferred the old skool term of art: charisma.]
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@ Greg
Yep to all this.
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Bel,
You’ve been nipping at Matt Kings’s ankles for years (check the archived comment sections for the evidence).
It seems to me you’re flinging scat for the sake of flinging scat with no achievable objective as your aim.
I mentioned this a few threads back: I used to shame Amy for her mudsharking. Other commenters rightly joind and amplified the scorn. Now she renounces and even denies the practice. In this instance a goal was achieved so the shaming ritual waned.
What is your aim?
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For the record, I recall him giving props to (as CH would say) “charisma” and the things that give a man value as a man, which will then act as a natural attraction mechanism to the opposite sex.
What he, I, and a few others claim as bullshit are some of the field reports, videos, and dancing monkey moves that don’t grok with our experience and our kind of chosen company, both male and female.
But I’ll let him speak for himself.
I think you’re a wart on the nose of humanity… a speck of fly offal in the grand scheme of things… an affront to all that is worthwhile and holy.
But you should neither care nor worry about what I think.
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Well said, Greg.
CH is at his best when it comes to converting the hapless. He is a bracing slap in the face. But he never gets them to the next level, which is the promise of game, where the achievement of non-self-conscious art becomes possible; where confidence can flow naturally without Daddy’s hand-holding. He never cuts the apron strings nor sees the need to. Worse, he sows enmity among those of us who are exasperated by the novice treatment. According to him we aren’t coming at the same goal from a different angle. Rather, we are apostates.
Telling a piano student to practice scales forever doesn’t produce virtuosos. Learning the basics until they become second nature is prerequisite to becoming a proficient. But transitioning an apprentice to a master requires a different kind of teaching, one that encourages young charges to be contrary, to strike out on their own, rather than reprimanding (or censoring) them for coloring outside the lines. This place is too monomaniacal to produce artists. Chump resentment remains from the bad old days of frustration and celibacy, and disagreement makes the assembled boys pee their pants.
“Freedom is the disciplining of desire so as to make the achievement of the good first possible, then effortless.” — Robert Barron
Matt
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This.
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I’m confused …
I thought “Yup to all this” was the new “This”.
Damn cool kids with your endless head fakes.
(((shakin’ my fist in the air)))
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To be fair, a 5 isn’t low SMV. A 5 would be mid-SMV.
Game works, but the degree to which it works depends entirely on the woman’s characteristics. It has a relatively higher ROI if the woman is prettier, dumber, lower social class, and from certain cultural backgrounds. It has a relatively lower ROI if the woman is uglier, smarter, higher social class, and from other cultural backgrounds. If the woman’s SMV is between 1-5, you might as well go for traditional courtship. If she’s a 6, either way is a crapshoot. If she’s a 7, game starts to have clear benefits, although you cannot go overboard. If she’s an 8-10, varying degrees of game is essential.
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Way OT but this site seems to be the place to question this.
Today the Governor of Indiana instituted a temporary needle exchange to combat this epidemic of AIDS cases in Scott County, in southeast Indiana, a peripheral country to Louisville. In the second of 2014, there was …
94 new cases of AIDS
421 cases of HIV
I looked at the data of the cases from a report by the Indiana State Dept of Health:
http://www.in.gov/isdh/files/At_A_Glance(7).pdf
It states the number of new cases of both HIV and AIDS due to Injection Drug User (IDU) was, for each category was
1 IDU case for HIV
1 IDU case for AIDS
So I looked at some other facts.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/18/18143.html
Total population 2013 – 23,972
Percent white 97.8%
Percent black 0.4%
Percent Hispanic 1.7%
Newly Reported Indiana HIV Cases and AIDS Cases by Race/Ethnicity
and Gender
White Male HIV 125 case 37% of total Male HIV (337)
White Male AIDS 45 cases 60% of total Male AIDS (75)
White Female HIV 24 cases 29% of total Female HIV (84)
White Female AIDS 4 cases 21% of total Female AIDS (19)
Hispanic Male HIV 43 case 13% of total Male HIV (337)
Hispanic Male AIDS 7 cases 9% of total Male AIDS (75)
Hispanic Female HIV 8 cases 9% of total Female HIV (84)
Hispanic Female AIDS 3 cases 16% of total Female AIDS (19)
Black Male HIV 155 case 46% of total Male HIV (337)
Black Male AIDS 20 cases 27% of total Male AIDS (75)
Black Female HIV 46 cases 55% of total Female HIV (84)
Black Female AIDS 10 cases 53% of total Female AIDS (19)
Men who have sex with men (MSM) HIV cases 211 50% AIDS cases 32 34%
Injection Drug User (IDU) HIV cases 1 1% AIDS cases 1 1%
MSM & IDU HIV cases 7 1% AIDS cases 1 1%
Heterosexual HIV cases 99 23% AIDS Cases 27 29%
Mother diagnosed HIV+ or AIDS HIV cases 1 1% AIDS cases 2 2%
Other (Pediatric Transfusion, IDU
Heterosexual, MSM Heterosexual
and Adult Transfusion/Hemophilia
etc.) HIV cases 35 8% AIDS cases 6 6%
Not Identified at This Time and/or
No Reported Risk HIV cases 67 16% AIDS cases 25 27%
Total HIV cases 421 AIDS cases 94
So lets assume that 2% of men of the approx. 11,500 men in Scott County are faggots for an estimate of 230.
And then .4% of all residents are black for (theoretically 90)
Then every black male or female and every faggot in the county have AIDS by these statistics. (Actually the census data that reported AIDS/HIV don’t add up)
Then consider that we know that self-reported “heterosexual sex” is usually a lie because the person doesn’t wish to admit to homosexual sex.
So basically the cause of this epidemic is getting fucked in the ass by a black male or a faggot and are easily responsible for all but some single digits of cases. But some small percentage that is blamed on “needle sharing”. But then a national alarm is called out when this governor declares a “needle sharing” program as the public health reaction to the situation. This is the equivalent of a building being burnt down by Ferguson rioters and the Mayor outlaws smoking cigarettes in front of the store.
This is a massive cover up.
And it need be considered in light of the fact that the state is under attack for the legislature passing the Freedom of Religion Act prohibiting state or local governments from “substantially burdening” a person’s ability to exercise religion, unless the government can meet certain criteria. “But opponents fear it will become a license to discriminate because it could allow business owners to refuse service to gays, lesbians and bisexuals based on their religious beliefs.”-USA Today (meaning people from outside the state). The CEO of Salesforce.com in San Francisco announced he would send no employees to Indiana due to this law.
So basically now this small, poor, Appalachian county with a median income of around $33,000 now has a massive public health expense due to Faggots and black ass fuckers. An expense that must be borne with sacrifice by the other 19/20ths of the town that will detract from roads, schools, and police protection from that other small percent.
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Mark,
Go home to your wife.
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Appreciate the legwork…
It’s a shame all that effort is merely solidifying what most of us here at the chateau already know… Rome is burning, and the emperors are fiddling and diddling… and no one in any sort of position to do anything about it dares tell the emperors of their bare asses.
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Instead of “I like your shirt” use “I approve of your shirt.” It frames you as an authority figure and easily re-frames conversation towards teasing about how important your opinions are, her jokingly expressing gratitude, etc.
[CH: protip]
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I rape your shirt?
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no need to ever ask for permission to rape, it is your God given right by existence.
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Another common line heard from people is that women don’t like “game”. They want you to approach them as an equal and they will like you for that instead. This is vague, what it actually means is the opposite. There isn’t anything demonstrably unequal about using lines from this site. Instead, it is much like anything orwellian. Approaching a woman as an equal to them means that you deliberately white wash your language and refrain from any insinuation that you are attracted to the girl you are talking to. Being attracted to a girl is the same as controlling her and being entitled to her sexuality apparently, according to them. It is actually all rather cynical how they abuse language.
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It’s vital when approaching a girl that you make your sexual interest clear, escalate quickly to touch, or else she’ll put you in the friendzone. And if she rebuffs your sexuality, that’s a good thing — now you’re free and can move on to a girl who wants your sausage.
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Jokes on you I can’t pick up any chicks
[CH: inner game needs work.]
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Do you want to succeed with hot women? Here’s the secret:
1) Be Attractive
2) Don’t Be Unattractive
[CH: true, if by “be attractive” you include all the non-physical traits that equally boost a man’s SMV.]
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this tautology conveniently overlooks that only in theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
oink
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Come on, my brothers: don’t you ever just stay home and watch TV? It’s from a classic SNL bit called “Sexual Harassment and You” or somesuch.
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I see that my jests are not the only ones which fall flat.
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In Hamlet, Shakespeare’s Polonius utters the infamous words, “To thine own self be true.”
But what is lacking is the context. Polonius’ words of advice to his son Laertes were in the middle of a pages-long bunch of blowhardian cliches. To know that the great Bard meant them ironically, consider this lengthy speech is also the source of “brevity is the soul of wit.”
Shakespeare knew that being yourself was terrible advice. For his sincere commentary on the matter, consider this from “As You Like It.: “All the world’s a stage; And all the men and women merely players.”
Will knew that game is necessary — it is the bright spark that ignites the fire of humanity.
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these losers are picking up low SMV girls. because of that they are not too invested & not being try-hards, because those girls aren’t worth it. they are instinctually using game. they just deny it. i didn’t realize what was happening at the time, until i discovered the manosphere, but i was using game, but on the wrong girls. you have to use game on the right girls.
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Boys @walawala, yareally, sentient, cs, kant
What are ur specific tips about daygaming in a public venue where one visits frequently?
I think im giving too much of a player vibe and word gets around considering how girls gossip to each other giving warnings. It makes girls a bit reluctant and less receptive. Thougts?
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Travel. Seek other pastures. Rotate spots. etc.
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But it sounds like you are giving off a failed player vibe… If you are giving the girls a good time and not being a total dick when you are done with them, this should cause more to be curious, into you, etc.
share more details.
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It depends. My thought is, if you go somewhere frequently, you can go slow. Start social. Build value, talk about life, normal stuff, some flirting here and there.
Just start indirect and build slowly from there.
Probably best to share how your interactions usually go. Share more details.
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@Walky Talky – Yeah what Sentient said.
From what I remember from your previous posts, you are fairly new to Game (which is fine – we are all of us at different stages but we were all new once), so you may be giving off a bit of a “gamey” artificial vibe – like a robot running routines instead of a chill social guy.
Even if you’re not giving out that vibe, it is very possible to overdo presence in a public venue, so I would say (a) learn to be more social first, in a natural way before trying to be sexual; and (b) rotate venues.
More details would help, but I am thinking here of some game blog I read last year. I can’t remember the name but he was a young guy – student in some Ohio university. And he was basically an approach machine who escalated relentlessly. He had a fair bit of success, but he also created a backlash from overgaming the spot to the point where he became known as the creepy guy around campus and there was a Facebook petition to kick him off campus and stuff (he also had some bangs from girls who were curious about his reputation but I don’t think the trade off is worth it)
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@sentient
Lol not at all. They enjoy the interactions and more get curious. I get a loooot of AIs. They are a bit defensive and guraded (weigh in the conservative culture)
I like hunter’s advice but that may lead to fz. I flirt frequently. Show them im a man and not ashamed of it kinda thing. Most interactions go cool. They laugh. General chit chat. But i see them after some days and have to restart. How can i get em to invest more? They like the fact that they are desired by me and most of my approaches are welcomed.
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Are you going out with the girls you are meeting from daygame?
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Do you add sexual innuendo? That’s the kind of flirting I mean.
Something like:
You: I thought you said you were a hair dresser?
Her: Haha don’t put words in my mouth.
You: oh, don’t worry, I’ll put something else in your mouth.
Like with enough dialogue along the lines of this, there’s no way you’re getting friendzoned unless you don’t escalate/ask them out.
This isn’t necessary if you have your externals (eye contact, body language, tonality) handled.
“But i see them after some days and have to restart. How can i get em to invest more? They like the fact that they are desired by me and most of my approaches are welcomed.”
You get them to invest by asking them comfort/rapport questions.
Flirt for a bit but then turn it off and let your guard down. Ask personal questions (Yareally linked the 36 questions in the archive somewhere). Then share some stuff about yourself (yeah, I always wanted to be X, I used to live in X, I really hate when girls do X, I love the kind of relationships where X, Y, Z, etc.)
Then bring it back to flirting. Then ask em out.
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@Hunter
To sexualize the conversation you have to be more subtle or work it in naturally
You: I thought you were a hairdresser
Her: Don’t put words in my mouth
You: Your hands, those long slim fingers, I imagine them massaging my scalp..
That is a sexual spike, gauge her reaction, the escalate or build comfort from there depending on where this goes.
You’re taking her on a journey…if you’re not focused, she won’t be.
Sometimes I can’t get it going just because I’m not feeling it myself….so when I’m gaming the girl it turns into chit chat and then I eject.
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I agree with Sentient. Dial back the ‘player vibe’. What you want to shoot for is a Don Draper vibe. Definitely alpha / lover type, but not sleazy and hitting on everything that moves
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@walkytalky
Review how and where you do the approaches. I’ve found public places or parties less threatening. But I’ve started pulling back on the “player vibe” by keeping up the confidence but dropping the high-energy: no hyena laughing, no immediate touching, I do lots of eye contact, keep the pacing a little slower.
When I get the invariable shit-testing, before coming back with some immediate rejoinder…I’ll smile, chuckle, then throw something back.
The negs I use are more playful: “hey shorty…” I say to taller girls…. when they say something like “You’re tall too….” I say “I’m the short one in my family…” even though I’m 6’2″…that has been a great opener for me.
I also wait or try to force an IOI—a smile, an acknowledgement of some kind before approaching….always helps if the girl says “why did you come over here?” which is a prelude to the “Player vibe”…I say: “You smiled, who could resist?”
Keeping the interactions shorter before getting the number…the false time constraint….
Calibration is key. I’ve found that you can pretty much tell if the girl is ready to fuck you within a very short period of the interaction just by how I approach with confidence and how she responds.
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How are you giving off the “player vibe”? I’ve started pulling back on the “player vibe” by keeping up the confidence but dropping the high-energy: no hyena laughing, no immediate touching, I do lots of eye contact, keep the pacing a little slower.
When I get the invariable shit-testing, before coming back with some immediate rejoinder…I’ll smile, chuckle, then throw something back.
The negs I use are more playful: “hey shorty…” I say to taller girls…. when they say something like “You’re tall too….” I say “I’m the short one in my family…” even though I’m 6’2″…that has been a great opener for me.
I also wait or try to force an IOI—a smile, an acknowledgement of some kind before approaching….always helps if the girl says “why did you come over here?” which is a prelude to the “Player vibe”…I say: “You smiled, who could resist?”
Keeping the interactions shorter before getting the number…the false time constraint….
Calibration is key. I’ve found that you can pretty much tell if the girl is ready to fuck you within a very short period of the interaction just by how I approach with confidence and how she responds.
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@walky I have a few comment in mods. Just to say…I think what I found was when I was too focused on the outcome…..I gave off the player vibe…
Check out Krauser’s DayGame model…it’s about spiking attraction then punctuating it with comfort and DHV’s….in other words….keeping her guessing and therefore engaged.
I now stop laughing so much, keep my frame, when I get shxx tested I pause, chuckle and dress her down…”Oh, you’re THAT kind of girl?” “Oh…it’s THAT kind of conversation now?”.
Girls are always nervous….don’t feed off that, play it cooler. Find negs that are more surprising and tease more. Finally learn when to bail. If this is going no where whether in the first interaction or the date suggest leaving. If she is happy to see you go just by her body language then you’ve probably over-gamed. IF she’s still lingering…then keep it going.
I went out with a girl who was cute but awkward. Her English wasn’t very good and she couldn’t understand a lot of what I was saying. I was about to bail after the first drink. But I asked what movies she had seen or liked: “50 Shades of Grey”. She replied. “What was your favorite part?” I asked cooly.
“All parts, so romantic…” she said.
“Have you ever tried that, blindfolding?” I asked looking into her eyes which were suddenly open and beaming.
“Not yet..” I then bounced to another location. She was still but keen. Our third date will be my home…I now text her “Hey Anastasia” and she replies.
So…the moral here is keep your frame and start to tap more into what she’s giving off don’t worry so much about the next thing you want to say.
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> “daygaming in a public venue where one visits frequently” The banter is easy. This decision to let down your guard and dip it in one of the chicks – i.e. to “shit where you eat” – is the hard part. There it really helps to be a complete psychopath and just not give a d*mn about the consequences.
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I don’t need no stinking game!
So long as I have chloroform, duck tape, and a moonless quiet night…
[CH: don’t forget soft shoes. rape shoes!]
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“Does this smell like chloroform?” – always good for a laugh…
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A white van is likewise indispensable.
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My van is black and has “FREE CANDY” spray painted on it.
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@Walky Talky – a post in mod for you but basically practice being more social/less gamey and try other venues.
PS – WTF mod? My post was only two paragraphs. A much longer post sailed through without mod yesterday
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@Culum yes all my posts are in mod
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O/T but anyone following the story of Joseph Murphy, “rock star” librarian (don’t laugh)? Seems this dude got fucked with by a couple of SJWs but he counterattacked like a true fuckin’ boss, sued, won, and got monetary damages and a sweet published apology. Of course he’ll never see a dime.
http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2015/03/litigation/librarians-embroiled-in-lawsuit-alleging-sexual-harassment/#_
Be sure and scroll down in the comments to the post by this guy’s step-dad who’s written one of the most powerful take-downs of all this harassment bullshit you’ll ever read. It ought to be re-posted all over the m-sphere.
Even Tom Leykis (!) jumped on the thread but they deleted his stuff in a hurry.
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Your story is funny. I’m also familiar with the annoyed look that says, “Really? You’re just gonna walk away?” Reminds me of the video “Almost Picking Up Chicks.”
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Game has never really worked for me I have tried but just can’t pull. I have read this site for the past couple of years and try to apply the game principles but still am dateless and alone. I have been to bootcamps (3 of them) and have studied and used a great deal of material
I take good care of myself, keep trim and very fit, eat right, good humored, dress fashionably well but am a bit short in stature at around 5’5….
Do you guys have any ideas on what to do?
Are certain guys like myself doomed?
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Go to a place where you are a big fish in a little pond.
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@Kent.
Need details.
You are doing some things right (staying fit etc). Your height is a disadvantage as a starting point to some extent but it’s far from a total disqualifier and in some circumstances can even be useful.
You are plainly applying Game principles wrongly (you may be practicing, but if you don’t practice the right things, you won’t get results).
Go back and read YaReally’s archives and particularly his advice to Scray a couple of years ago (if you haven’t already).
You need to start posting detailed breakdowns of your interactions like that and we’ll all try to help you.
If you are literally “dateless and alone” as opposed to just not having much success, then I am almost certain that your basic social skills are lacking and you don’t come across as a “normal” guy socially – you need to work on that and fix that before thinking of getting sexual.
Post some field reports and we’ll go from there
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> “a bit short in stature at around 5’5″” You’re gonna need mad skillz, mostly consisting of ruthlessly cracking the whip on your womynz, having extremely thick skin, and just not giving a d*mn about the consequences. Any hesitancy and you’re screwed – it’s gotta be full steam ahead.
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Search my archive for “short” “short guys” “height” etc. if you just want to get laid social circle game will probably be easier than cold approach.
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The other option is to hit on the smaller chicks – the shorter Mexicans and Brazillians and Filipinas and whatnot. A short white guy can score a taller white girl, but it takes MAD SKILLZ and a thick hide and a pathological ability to keep steamrolling right on through any and all failures until you score the prize. My advice to you [and to anyone else who’s hesitant] is, first and foremost: LEARN TO NOT CARE. As long as you still care [about whatever – pride, humiliation, success, failure, whether it’s gonna rain or snow or sleet or be 110 Fahrenheit without a cloud in the sky], you’re gonna get the sweaty palms and the chirping voice and the shaking knees and the anxiety and the fear and the trembling.
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@Kent – ANOTHER short post of mine is mod, but in short: post some detailed field reports and we’ll see if we can help you spot the issues
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Height can limit your reach in the poon market but it’s not enough to make you dateless and alone. Girls can overlook almost everything except your social presence
I suspect you’re a hardcase aspie with catastrophic social skills, and that requires a lot of work. And I can tell because I used to be dateless and alone too despite profound game knowledge.
At one point, I had to make a choice. Either take my own life or get pussy. Because I couldn’t stand imagining all the alphas out there getting top shelf tail, and me sitting in a dark corner holding my weewee like a cuckold…
So I went out and stopped giving a shit about embarassing myself. What the fuck do I have to lose? The first nights/weeks, I crashed and burned, I hated myself even more, hated women because they apparently hated me, hated life, but eventually, after much suffering, I started to have positive reactions, I started to “hone my skills”. I finally scored, then scored some more.
I am still socially awkward. When you have autistic tendencies, they will haunt you for life. I don’t like socializing, interactions between people make me sick. Sperglordship is a cruel handicap.
My contention with gamey gamers on this blog and elsewhere is that they make it seem easy and that everybody can do it. Learning game can be excruciatingly difficult for most betas/omegas who need it.
Whan you’re a hardcase, your only way out of the sexless purgatory is to go out and apply what you learned… and fail… and go out again and fail even more miserably until you either give up or start to get it..
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Any guy who attracts any girl is running some aspects of “game”, whether he’s consciously doing it or not, whether he denies it or not.
Saying you can have attraction without using any game concepts is like saying you’re going to make orange juice without oranges. If you have a glass of orange juice, oranges were involved in it’s creation.
“Bro I have a glass of orange juice but it came from a CARTON not from ORANGES!! I didn’t squeeze any oranges I just tilted a cardboard carton so this orange juice doesn’t use oranges.” is a retarded argument.
“Game” is simply explaining the recipe for attraction and giving men conscious steps to apply that recipe. Anyone drinking orange juice is drinking juice that involves oranges.
Even in the example CH gave I could point out a few game concepts he inadvertantly used. Even the beta chode who gets lucky happened to fluke his way into running some game principles. Attraction does not exist without them just as orange juice does not exist without oranges.
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tautology vs practice. ftw
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This. I’m mean Yep to all this.
It’s all so algorithmic yo, ya, even when you’re not looking under the hood.
Serious question … I’m not trolling and would ask this privately if the option was available:
Looking back, do you believe you were “finding yourself” when you duced on that girl’s chest?
Did she reciprocate the gesture or did you set frame early and she knew you alone were pinching the loaf?
Scatalogy Game ftw
Thank you in advance for your time and response, and please don’t reply with your customary “lol”.
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I’m guessing his mouth was having such a big time talking shit her way that his backside got envious.
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It cured me of any illusions I was still clinging to about women’s sexuality and the unicorn fantasies social conditioning drilled into us.
In this thread you can watch a bunch of RVF’ers slowly go through the same shattering of their realities as they try to wrap their heads around the psychology behind why girls would do something so depraved:
WARNING: More TMI than you ever wanted to see or know in your life. NSFW and NSFLife:
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-45437.html
Hint: it doesn’t actually have to do with money, a few people get close to figuring it out in the middle of that thread but you’ll have to sift through all that shit (lol) yourself.
After that read My Secret Garden and the sequel and you’ll be ready to either off yourself, become a MGTOW, or fully accept women’s nature and reality.
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@YaReally my eyes are open now lol
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It doesn’t matter if every special little snowflake in the whole wide world would accept your bowel movement, gimp.
What does the soul of a man look like who shits on a girl’s chest for any reason, let alone prove to himself unicorns don’t exist?
Don’t answer … Your example is before all of us.
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That’s what the boy doesn’t realize… he thinks his eyes have been opened as to the nature of women? The only think open is his yap and anus, and he remains blind to how it reflects upon his own character and karmic well-being.
Further deluded that whatever mental case broad he had that allowed him to defile her like that was typical of all women… that’s how he rationalizes his alleged “awakening”.
Never before was a man’s eyes so closed upon (ahem) waking up.
(((shakin’ mah haid)))
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Actually, from that same Rooshvforum thread (my post on it is in mod and this one will also probably go to mod) there is this very interesting post by a guy called AnonymousBosch (note especially the last two paragraphs – I made a point in my post above about how in addition to the money, perhaps the girls got off on submitting to powerful men..he takes that point much deeper here):
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“Kamikaze: this knowledge doesn’t mean hopelessness, because it defines your masculine role.
All I’m getting at is that every woman has an almost psychopathic longing to destroy any perception of being ‘the good girl’. It’s the most common complaint you’ll hear from women: “It’s so hard being good.” Women long to indulge their emotions enough to risk being swept away by them, and it’s this self-indulgence that makes them at risk of being self-destructive: they reach a point where they just want to tear everything down, including the Good Girl, and, most commonly, their Beauty. An example is hacking off their hair when they have a breakup.
It’s in their songs, it’s in their literature, it’s in their movies. The social pressure to ‘behave’ drives them to distraction, even as they conform to it, meaning they’re internalising this constant battle to be both good and bad: wanting the social approval, rewards and status for being good but desperately-craving social stigmatisation to the degree of martyrdom for being bad.
Feminism, at it’s core, is basically: “Fuck you society, I won’t be the good girl you want me to be!” This is why it’s beloved of ugly chicks who can’t sexually compete, and those with obvious Daddy Issues.
I see my role, as a man, is to recognise their capacity for depravity, both sexual and emotional, and to offer the dominance and guidance to reign them in. Women, even as they get outraged at the very notion, simply want a man they respect to tell them ‘No’, and offer them structure and guidance. One good way I’ve heard this described on here was “She is the ocean, and you are the rock, and the furies of her storms have no impact on you. You are unyielding.”
If you’re stoic, she gets to indulge her emotions with a safety net that stops her from self-destructing, and she will adore you for it. This is the masculine – feminine relationship. She gets to be weak, knowing you’re her rock. She doesn’t want to lash out at stone that crumbles, whilst simultaneously wanting strong shelter to hide against.
Sexual degradation is part of the risk, and you temper this by always being in control of the situation. Never let her think she’s leading: or her desperation to prove her devotion to you will take her into weird, disgusting places that destroy her.
If you’ve got your player on, I guarantee you will hear some variation of this: “I’d never do this with any other guy, but you make me want to do this and I’m not sure why.”
This is their sexuality out of control by their furious emotional desire to be owned by you – they are swept away – and this is where you need to reign them in with a strong hand and be ‘Daddy’. Otherwise she’ll get stupid notions in her head that by being sexually-outlandish, she’ll be the whore women believe all guys want their wives to be, not realising that we don’t want to think of the mother of our children blowing dogs and wearing our shit, (unless that’s really your thing).
This is what destroys women and makes the light go out in their eyes: when they degrade themselves for a man they value highly-enough in the hopes of locking him down enough only to eventually disgust him. Sometimes, the degradation is a sex thing, where she blurts out that she’d blow a horse for you. Sometimes, it’s physical: she wants you to see her with running mascara and her hair hacked off so you can see how ‘wounded’ and ‘vulnerable’ you’ve made her. Sometimes it’s emotional: stories of ‘being raped’ or being abused by Exes, designed to fire you up with masculine protective instinct, but instead make you see her as damaged goods. She thinks she is showing you how much she longs for you with these socially-transgressive displays – because Social Status is female currency and power – so deliberately lowering herself in a man’s eyes is the ultimate submission for her – but all she is doing is pushing you away.
During sex: always lead, always control, always structure what is happening. She wants to serve a strong man: show her how to so she doesn’t go off on self-destructive tangents. As McQueen used to say, don’t call her ‘a’ whore, call her ‘your’ whore. Your eyes are your strength here: if she’s sucking your dick, tell her to look at you, so she has nowhere to hide. Call her your ‘good girl’ as she does it.
Basically, structure a performance of faux-degradation and sexual submissiveness she can enact it that makes her feel she’s served a strong man, that stops her crossing into actual degradation, where it starts emotionally-messing her up and leaving scars.
That being said, Millennial Girls seem to possess a capacity for self-loathing and self-destruction I’ve never seen in previous generations.
So, take what is happening in this thread: the transfer of money for sexual degradation. It’s the same core process: she’s telling herself it’s about the money, but it’s about submission before the masculine: the trappings of supreme social and financial power. It’s about thinking she’s high value enough to be submitting to Princes and Kings, so the leap to being crapped on or blowing a dog to prove she is ‘a worthy consort’ is a small one for them.
Obviously, it makes no sense to us, but women seem to be clueless as to what behaviour actually makes them attractive, and not repulsive, to men.”
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Yeah I have tried the shorter girl approach. I though that might work but I find shorter women are just as bad as “taller” women in their rejection of a shorter guy. It’s like they look at taller guys as a prize. Online is just impossible (been trying that for 10 years) and in the field I get “your just not my type”. I have never experienced “game” working nor have had any good teachers or mentors to help show how game works. To be honest I really don’t know what game is – can anyone really explain it? I have taken a few bootcamps but each one was a huge ripoff. It’s hard to trust those charlatans. I am really lost.
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> “To be honest I really don’t know what game is – can anyone really explain it?” In a word? Or a sentence? Try this: “NICE GUYS ALWAYS FINISH LAST!” Women want to see a little Darkness in you. Either you can “Neg” her gracefuly and playfully, or she can watch you beat another man to death with your fists, but she needs to see that Darkness, to know that you aren’t just a pushover loser who always goes home with his tail between his legs. Show her that you have a spine, both in your interactions with her, and as she watches you in your interactions with other men.
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@Kent another aspect of game is patience….outcome independence…it doesn’t mean you don’t want things to happen…but it does mean you accept that women are interchangeable and if something isn’t working with one, you’ll fill that time with another.
Also you have to understand women…they’re sense of time is more fluid than a guy’s…That’s why when you spark attraction in a women and don’t see them for weeks and reconnect….they will remember details you won’t.
A girl I’m gaming now….contacted me on some premise to strike a conversation. She wanted to know if I could find her a website that sells shoes a friend of mine had branded….duh. She couldn’t google that?
So I immediately start gaming her….calling her Cinderella…telling her I’m only helping her because I have a foot fetish…etc. Then I suggest we meet up to take some salsa classes….etc.
It’s all very casual….but the interaction is all about meeting up so we can sniff each other out….
Calibration is key…with some girls I can be blatantly sexual….in this case, since she is known to me…I make clear i’m interested by being the cool guy who gets shit done and makes plans.
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Fluid indeed…
Most women have such a good memory, they can remember things that never actually happened.
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@walawala “it doesn’t mean you don’t want things to happen…but it does mean you accept that women are interchangeable and if something isn’t working with one, you’ll fill that time with another.”
It takes a lot of practice to understand that concept, but life is much less stressful once you do.
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@Kent
Fuck online, don’t waste your time on that shit. Short guys, fat guys, minorities, etc. should go out and approach instead where you can demonstrate personality instead of getting screened out based on a checklist filter that says “under 5’9″, nope!”
http://www.youtube.com/user/CupidShmupid/videos/
And read my archives on short guys and old guys since the same ideas generally apply.
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@Kent
you’re simply going to have to go through the process of approaching like a machine until the sting of rejection becomes so acceptable that you are free to experiment & approach some more until you get what you came for. Welcome to “exposure therapy”! Check out PimpinBlueStar’s archives here (he’s 5’4″ btw) – http://yareallyarchive.com/pbs/2015/3/ – scroll to the bottom left-hand menu & work your way through each month of his. You’ll see that it’s all very possible, you just have to put in the ego smashing graft.
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@YaReally – couple of posts stuck in mod for you with comments/questions about that Rooshvforum thread. It’s dark but fascinating shit (no pun intended lol)
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@YaReally just to add to the posts in mod – after reading half that thread, I’m wondering if these same women will let a dirty stinky homeless guy dump on them for $20,000. If not (and I doubt they will), then why would they let an Arab prince do it for $20,000? It’s not the money..it’s something else..
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Heh…
http://pulse.ng/gist/wedding-bells-man-drowns-himself-after-seeing-ugly-bride-for-the-first-time-id3609427.html
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Hey YaReally,
Thanks for the reply. Yes I am familiar with your stuff and I do approach. I like your videos on youtube. I found your stuff on line via simplepickup I think. From what I can gather, I have approached well over 4000 to 5000 women (and approach is not just saying “Hello). All I get is “your not my type”, ” I don’t date short guys”, “I like to wear heels and we would look weird”, “we would look weird together”, “I could never let you meet my friends and thats a deal breaker” – and this is from women age 30 and over (I am in my early 40s). I kid you not. I have even taken expensive Bandler NLP classes to learn reframing (and I have learned this in sales courses as well – I am in sales for a living) and while the reframing has worked with customers – I cant get women to reframe to save my life. As for patience, I have been at this for about 10 years or a little more. Seriously is there really an answer or am I wasting my time?
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I don’t need game = “look at all this free food in the dumpster behind the McDonalds!”
Sure, but do you want to eat like the homeless guy who lives under the I-94 overpass or do you want filet and lobster at the French Laundry?
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@YaReally, HABD and others who may want to chime in or be interested. I’ve now entered a phase of my game where I now unconsciously or almost naturally game all hot girls I meet. I’ve become less conscious of reviewing EVERY detail and am now looking at the interaction as a whole. So here’s one for you guys to comment on. There is a hot girl I met, tall, perhaps 7-8, fit, tanned, successful, late 20’s… She took a musical seminar I organized last year so I kind of got to know her as a kind of “customer”. Fast forward to this year. I meet her at a Latin dance party and immediately start teasing her about whether she learned anything in my seminar, will she step on my feet, I push-pull, then compliment her on her balance….she’s beaming.
This is all done without a conscious set of “lines”…I’m just looking at: neg, push-pull, comfort….not “what do I say next?”
She writes me out of the blue for some insights on some upcoming artist who’s hosting a workshop. I take this as an IOI. I give her my blunt comments on this artist. “Ouch” she replies. I take this reply to be a kind of gina tingle….any guy who speaks his mind shocks a girl.
Then another artist plans to come to town, so I add her to a Facebook group and drop her a note: “I’d suggest this one.” she replies in two seconds…thanks. I take this as a DHV and an indirect opener. I mention to her I haven’t seen her for a few weeks. She tells me she came out to a party on Friday “But you weren’t there….” another IOI. “I was eating kangaroo and drinking be-ah” I reply referring to my trip to Perth. She says “I know I saw the photos…” on Facebook—another IOI.
So…this is long game. Everything is an opportunity. So she writes me again out of the blue to ask me if I know where to order some luxury shoes because a friend of mine is the designer. Again I take this as an IOI. Why write me when you can google it? She likes the fact I have some knowledge. So I tell her I’ll introduce her to the designer who’s a friend of mine and she can take it from there. I call her Cinderella and tease her about having big feet. I also tell her the only reason I’m helping her is because I have a foot fetish. She’s laughing. So I introduce her by FB to this artist and ask the artist for a recommendation on buying her brand.
The artist tells me: “Oh, that brand now belongs to my ex bf, after we broke up he took the brand and all my designs, I got nothing.” Awkward moment that I need to diffuse. So I tell the designer I didn’t know and change the subject.
The girl I’m long-gaming writes me to ask: “Hope I didn’t say anything wrong?” Again the girl is qualifying herself and the cringe-worthy moment needs diffusing.
Me: “Nah…they’re Columbians, they have no filter” I reply. My target laughs…tension raised…and diffused.
Up to now I hadn’t realized that this girl was in her fucked up indirect girl way…giving me IOI’s: “As usual you have the answers” etc.
So I invite her out to a workshop in my standard way: “Hey Cinderella, my friend recommends this guy, let’s take a few classes. Wed/Thursday work for me.”
This is again my standard way of asking chicks out…also it’s casual but direct, it’s playful. if she says no, I just leave it.
She replies with questions about the content and then says she’s into it. “cool, i’ll sort it out”. I say. She tells me she’ll confirm her work schedule for the exact days.
There’s different ways of gaming girls. This is what I would see as Long Game…outcome independent, sexualizing it, playful, but at the same time a bit mysterious as to my motives…Girls know where an interaction is going.
I’ll see how this unfolds. But I think this is a girl I’d like to bang.
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YaReally – I’m reading that Rooshvforum thread now (it’s huge – I’m almost halfway through) and I don’t quite get your point about “it’s not about money”.
(BTW for those who don’t want to read 34 pages of that thread – basically it’s about the superhot girls, models, B-list actresses etc who whore themselves out to billionaires in Europe, Asia and elsewhere. The prostitution itself is nothing new, but some of the details are pretty far out even for guys who’ve taken the red pill – girls “retiring” at 24 with $1-2m in the bank and memories of fucking dogs while Arab sheikhs masturbated, and sleeping with a sheikh and all his sons in his harem, and being (literally) shit on etc. Also some of the fake rich Arabs trolling the hot semipro girls on Instagram are hilarious – like literally they tell the guy to fuck off on Instagram and 4 min later are willing to be shat on when he offers $20,000..)
It’s pretty dark stuff. I don’t really believe in the slut v nice girl dichotomy at all (and don’t really give a shit about a girl’s notch count) but that doesn’t mean some women can’t be damaged psychologically after years doing stuff like this – or doing stuff like this because they were damaged in the head (it’s like saying just because I’m okay with someone smoking weed recreationally, doesn’t mean I approve of heroin junkies). I mean, some of the stuff these girls have done (gang bangs, being shit on, whatever) – I can see that girls could genuinely enjoy them IF it was with the right guy and they were turned on etc – but I don’t see these particular girls doing it because they enjoy it – they are doing it for the $20k/day.
From what I can tell, these girls DO do it for the money (maybe a bit of attention whoring into the bargain).
Just an extreme case right-tail case of superhot 9s and 10s searching for an ultimate uber-Provider billionaire’s cash. As someone on that thread points out though – it’s a losing battle – even if they are like top 2% in beauty, they don’t WANT the equivalent top 2% in wealth guy who makes a few hundred grand a year – they want the billionaires who are more like top 0.01%, so the market power is in the hands of the rich guys – something you see on a smaller scale if you go to any Sugar Daddy website where there are 7s and 8s (and the odd 9 who is getting close to 30 and can’t quite compete for billionaires anymore) looking for those guys making a few hundred grand.
The money’s not sustainable of course. These girls are like lottery winners – they have no marketable skills except their looks (they may not even be good in bed if they are used to relying solely on being hot), and sure they may have spent 5 years on yachts in Cannes being billionaire’s playthings and living the billionaire lifestyle, but at 25 they are done (if not earlier). Most of them have blown their cash long ago on drugs and buying luxuries. The lucky ones may have $1-2m but even they are very unlikely to use it in any sustainable way – to live a middle-class life.
Some of those guys on that thread are talking total crap – some of the others make a lot of sense (Zelcorpion, Gringuito)
But from what I can tell, these girls are not doing it for fun – they are doing it for money. As that thread notes, it’s very common for a lot of them to be single mothers after being knocked up by some poor Alpha who gave them tingles and whose money they didn’t expect. And being shat on is just something they get used to if they’re being paid $20,000 a day. Maybe on some level they also get off on the submission and being a powerful man’s plaything etc but I don’t think that’s the driving motivation.
PS – I read My Secret Garden as a teenager. Don’t think most of the lessons really sunk in. Probably time for a re-read..
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