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A Test Of Your Game Update: T-Ball Pickup

March 31, 2015 by CH

In yesterday’s “A Test of Your Game” post, many commenters offered suggestions to the reader who asked how to open a girl in a coffee shop who had already expressed her interest with lingering glances and thrust butt in his pointed vicinity.

My favorite and personal go-to is, “Take a picture, it’ll last longer”, spoken with humorous intent. Commenter Claude Martel had a similar opener, “You know… it’s rude to stare.” Commenter Ludwig’s suggestion was also good (but you’d better be able to handle the heat you’re gonna get): Next time just draw a big cock n’ balls on the sumi ink station. (Claude adds: If you made a production of it, and really sold it, chin scratching, slow and deliberate strokes, I bet she’d laugh her ass off.)

These are clever and marginally jerkboy-ish openers that work well on pretty girls used to hearing the same old from dull suitors.

But, as YaReally noted, the reader in this scenario already has attraction. The girl gave him the standard-issue nonverbal female approach invitation.

“And yet, all PUAs recommend building attraction before building rapport and you’d do the opposite”

He’s already in A2. A3 would be him opening her (however he does it), so he can just go right into C1 (normal conversation shit like PermanentGuest described).

A1 = showing value. If she’s checkin’ him out and sending him obvious Approach Invites like that then he’s shown enough value for her to move things into A2.

A2 = female to male interest. She’s showing interest in him with all her flirty shit and eye-contact etc. she’s doing. So before he says anything he’s already achieved this. This makes it a Warm Approach with an AI, not a real Cold Approach. A2 is where a lot of Naturals start, it’s why a lot of Naturals 1) won’t cold approach for real, they often wait till they get a hard AI like this scenario before they’ll approach so they have a green light VS legit cold approach where the girl hasn’t shown any interest in advance, and 2) have pretty “boring” game where they just “make conversation…bro just ask her questions and listen to what she says and stuff”…they can do that because they’re starting from A2.

A3 = male to female interest (note that you wait till you’ve hooked her and she’s shown interest before you reward her with showing interest first…female to male interest comes FIRST). This is where the OP is starting out. Literally ANYTHING he does that pro-actively opens her is achieving A3, whether it’s a clever witty line, a “hi, my name is YaReally”, throwing a pen at her, doesn’t matter.

C1 = basic conversation about yoga or whatever. This CAN be more fun and witty and exciting conversation, but it doesn’t HAVE to be. Long as it pushes things in a sexual direction and towards the lay.

If a guy is getting THIS warm an approach and NOT approaching the girl, I would question if he’s actually into dudes. This scenario is like swinging at a T-Ball.

YaReally as usual nails the fundamentals. Given blatant flirting the girl has shown, the reader could just say “hi”, with cool, self-controlled body language, and be off to the races.

However, there’s something to be said for adding a dash of wit, if you come preinstalled with the brain shaker. I’ve been hearing a growing chorus of game-haters/trolls/self-regarding stoics litter the comments section with “try-hard” taunts.

Mucho gracias, senoritas, but since when did proactive courtship become synonymous with “try-hard”? Men, as the bustamove sex, have to “try hard” to get women. Do these anti-“try-hard”ers stand inert, like mute statutes, waiting for girls to alight on them like pigeons? Or are they huge pussies who need the crutch of mommy or their social circles to set them up on dates?

“Try-hard” is not an excuse for inaction. Let me refresh the haters’ memories: The original use of the term “try-hard” was to describe game that appeared too obvious to the recipient of the game. A guy who begs a girl for her number despite her increasingly adamant refusal is “try-hard”. A guy who makes what he thinks is a funny joke, crashes and burns, and then earnestly attempts an even worse joke is “try-hard”. A guy who says “m’lady” non-ironically is “try-hard”. “Try-hard” means “unsmooth”, not “OMG he’s spending precious ampules of manly pride and dignity by walking up and talking to her!! A real man has girls go to him!”

Which is to say, there’s nothing wrong and everything right with clever openers if you have the chops for them.

Cleverness is a fitness trait of men that women find attractive. Yes, if you’re in A3, you could pick up the girl with a simple “hi”, and follow from there the C1-C3 game strategy. But maybe your brain whirrs with too much energy for such plebian openers. You like flashing your cortical curves. So you open with something a little more complex than “hi”. You won’t kill the interaction. In fact, you’ll have improved your odds of closing the deal, as long as anything you say isn’t tainted by needy body language.

Pickup is supposed to be fun, for her and for you. Those witty openers are as fun for you as for her, if you’re good at them, and she’ll “pick up” on the fun you’re feeling, and be infected by it. A fun feedback loop ensues.

I sometimes think cleverness works on girls because their instinct is to judge men by how well they balance BUSTAMOVE with sexual indifference. It’s a balancing act that can take years to master. The clever opener is certainly signaling romantic intent, but if the clever opener is paired with aloof body language — BOOM goes the Bartholin’s reservoir. Don’t lean in, speak low and slowly, stand contrapposto, make strong eye contact, and flaunt your wit proudly. She’ll know you can still take her or leave her, but she’ll also know you’re the first man to say something interesting to her all month long.

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  1. on March 31, 2015 at 11:40 am A Test Of Your Game Update: T-Ball Pickup | Manosphere.com

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 9:15 pm Seduction for Dummies(TM)

      That chart.

      Okay. The Tic-Tac-Toe Grid Method to Love is high self-parody that requires no piling on, but damn it! “Sexual Intercourse — It is necessary to do this several times in order to begin the sexual relationship”?

      I’ll lay off, despite the rich material.

      Let me explain why nerdy overanalysis is actually harmful, and why well-adjusted people laugh at it. But first I will acknowledge that this level of OCD detail is on the whole a very good thing for civilization. The special talent of white men creates a supernatural ability to focus and tease out every possible iteration of a phenomenon, leaving no if-then path unexplored. It is the foundation of the natural sciences to quantify qualities and vivisect living things to death in the name of knowledge. But the frog is still dead.

      Knowledge is not wisdom. Data is not knowledge. Even prettily assembled, color-coded data. Predicting the path of the planets may yield itself to calculus, but human behavior does not. Trying to bring mathematical precision to the “social sciences” mistakes human volition with mechanical cause-and-effect.

      Yes, you can follow a chart to minimal improvement, but you quickly butt against limits, and the worst thing you can do is apply basic methodology to advanced human interaction. The variables are always changing in unpredictable ways. You can’t rely on gravitational love constants. You have to make your mind more supple, less rigid, better able to adapt to always brand-new circumstances. No two interactions can ever be alike. Sure, they will share similarities, but beyond that you have to develop an improvisation muscle to handle the surprising variables.

      The problem with the quant approach is that the improv muscle atrophies while you concentrate on riding the falsely clean lines of if-then computer method. And women are attracted to muscles, not Excel spreadsheets. She responds to a smooth presentation customized to her peculiarities, not a practiced routine that works on one drunk chick in ten. Your ethos cannot include both rigid method and spontaneity. That would be playing baroque music and jazz simultaneously, or basketball on a baseball diamond.

      So this chart might help an idiot savant burdened with asocial Rainman anti-instincts, but here it’s brought out to put a laboratory sheen on a banal observation — which is, the girl is already flirting and just needs solid confirmation to continue. In other words, courage. You don’t inculcate courage by telling men to believe in a nine-step path to pussy. That produces reliance on method which in turn yields a halting response to the unexpected.

      Think martial arts. Teach them five punches, five blocks, and five kicks; do them over and over and over like Mr. Miyagi says; but then let them fight. No flashy flying roundhouse kicks, no drunken monkey style. Think zen. Think simple. Stop returning to the same handful of principles and finding ever more complex ways of expressing them, with new acronyms, new jargon, old lessons in shiny new packages. Drop the pseudo-comprehensive categorization that leads to false confidence. Drop the color coding.

      Matt

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      • on April 2, 2015 at 5:28 am Pyjama Wearing Ninja

        Damn it, I lost count of the bad analogies and logical fallacies you committed there.

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  3. on March 31, 2015 at 11:50 am corvinus

    I sometimes think cleverness works on girls because their instinct is to judge men by how well they balance BUSTAMOVE with sexual indifference. It’s a balancing act that can take years to master. The clever opener is certainly signaling romantic intent, but if the clever opener is paired with aloof body language — BOOM goes the Bartholin’s reservoir.

    Hence my suggestion on the previous post:

    “Hey.” (with a grumpy face. Women like the grump for some reason, as long as you’re otherwise enjoying yourself; women have a sixth sense for bitterness — or the lack thereof.) “What’s up with that [choose something odd that she’s carrying or wearing] ?”

    Bustamove? Yup. Wit? Yes, the idea is to call attention to the thing she has with deadpan humor. Sexual indifference? Yes again, which is why deadpan, stonefaced humor (at the most, with a slight smirk) works far better than Robin Williams clownishness.

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  4. on March 31, 2015 at 12:06 pm stained class

    the ex texted me yesterday at 2pm

    her: Hey Ian

    me: (5am) hey carly

    her:  Casual 5 am answer.

    me:  your up early. watsup

    her:  I can’t sleep. Now I have to get ready for work.

    her:  Why an answer that early from you may I ask

    her: (half hour later)  To be honest I had a dream about you

    me:  howd it make you feel

    her:  Mmm

    her: Kinda sad

    her:  I’m having not a great time

    me: whys that 

    her:  Why did it make me sad? Or why am I not having a great time ? 

    I wonder about my past a lot and if things went different with us. – I work a lot and I still am having trouble with money and it’s frustrating.

    me: the past isnt our future, nothin is stopping us

    her: Our past is what I have to go by though. It is unfortunate.  Are you working a lot ?

    me: not sure what youre wanting from me – im off for a week wednesday

    her: What do you mean? I’m not necessarily looking for anything I just wanna know what your doing I guess

    me: im continuing to pursue my passions with the intent to manifest all my desires. lately, ive had more focus and determination then before and that nothing is standing in my way.

    her: Like what? I’m intrigued to hear

    me: wat nite are u free this week

    her: Why not tn

    me: on nites till weds. you have another nite

    i texted that 11 mins after her. no reply.

    not sure if this bish is emo drippin’ me or too shy to meet up. regardless, im near the end of my rope with her going ghost on me after i try and set something. 

    she dumps me, we bang 3 weeks later a couple times – she goes ghost as i initiate when i shouldnt have.

    id rather just lay it out to her saying somethinv like

    ‘”looks like youre still not over the old me. need to get over that and start from a fresh approach. im not interested in being ‘just friends’- that hasn’t changed. If you change your mind on giving ‘us’ another try then let me know and we can explore whether that’s an option’.

    thoughts?

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 5:18 pm walawala

      @stainedglass…

      me: not sure what youre wanting from me – im off for a week wednesday

      her: What do you mean? I’m not necessarily looking for anything I just wanna know what your doing I guess

      I had this conversation…basically the ex who dumped you is feeling lonely and looking for attention or validation.

      This whole “I’m not necessarily looking for anything…”

      You ask her out and she disappears….This happened to me again.

      Drop it…for good. Exact same thing happened to me. I disappeared. My crazy ex came back…she was hovering. After making out with her…I backed off. Dropped a few ping texts…she responded in seconds…this went on for a few weeks.

      Finally, I asked her for drinks….she replied: “Not free this week.”

      Then I saw her out, she blanked me….the end.

      You’re reading way too much into things she says instead of seeing them as the lonely ramblings of a girl who has no one and is looking for attention.

      When she finds someone else….you’ll be ejected from her life again.

      Don’t be stupid. It’s over.

      You were honest. She didn’t pick up on that. Accept that and move on.

      Cut her out of your life. No more taking her calls or responding to her texts. This is becoming an obsession for you.

      You’re over-analyzing every single word in her texts for some hidden meaning. There isn’t a hidden meaning. She’s lonely. That’s it. When she gets her fix of your attention…she disappears. What do you get? A sinking empty feeling and false hope.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:58 pm stained class

        well said, thank you.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 7:10 pm walawala

        @stained you keep thinking “Did I say something wrong?” because she reaches out and when you reply she disappears…right?

        No. I’ve been in this position. If she was interested she’d do something.

        I was gaming a 27 year old. She flipped out, called me all sorts of nasty names. I didn’t reply. I spotted her on the street with some guy two weeks later.

        Just for laughs I called her out on it, then destroyed her boyfriend. Next thing, she’s reaching out…I go coy…she apologizes…we’re banging again.

        Ex gf starts replying to my texts and hovering around me at parties—banter ensues…I ask her for drinks, she tells me she’s busy…no counter offer. Ignores me when we’re in the same venue a few days later.

        See the difference?

        ex gf is hopelessly confused. It’s her issue. My asking her out just triggered whatever hamster weirdness goes on in her head. The fact I didn’t follow it up freaked her out even more.

        You said what you needed to say, she didn’t respond. it happens. Sometimes there’s no magic word to turn things around. Move on.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 8:10 pm Reco

        Walawala said it all. Do not respond or talk or text.

        She is not worth it. Start spinning other plates.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 5:42 pm walawala

        @stained She texted “Hey” because she knows that’s all it would take to get your hamster spinning.

        If “hey” is all it takes to get you into response mode….stop, drop and roll away.

        I have constant drama with one of the girls I’m banging. I alternate between disappearing and ripping into her for her stupid behavior.

        She seems to secretly enjoy being toyed with like that….sometimes when she doesn’t something stupid I just don’t talk to her for a few weeks.

        This time she said something utterly stupid and i told her to “fuck off”…then ripped into her for being a drama queen. It was the first time I’d shown any emotion. She likes this roller coaster. For me, it’s all calibrated.

        Before this…I was in your situation. All my responses were uncalibrated and i reacted emotionally to the ex gf’s provocations because i was too outcome dependent. Now…i have options so it’s kind of an experiment in asshole game, how far i can lose my shit and still have her come running back…

        She’s meeting me at the airport tomorrow and coming over to make pancakes for me in the morning…

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 8:10 pm Anonymous

      Good Lord! About as passionate as scheduling sex via Microsoft Outlook. Like the saying goes – youth is squandered on the young. Try building some sexual tension.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 7:58 am stained class

        I’m spinning other potential plates, however I recently threw my back out lifting – looks like clubs are out this weekend.

        I’m tempted to text her something like:

        “when youre ready to be a big girl and reach out to me when you want to have fun, and not because you want attention, let me know”

        just cut all the bullshit out.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 8:06 am Sentient

        Guys can learn the easy way or the hard way. Most require the hard way, especially in these situations.

        Good luck.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 8:16 am walawala

        @stained glass… please tell us you didn’t text her that…. read it and re-read it. it’s sounds butt-hurt and ghey. It’s the kind of shit the 27 year old I’m banging sends me…

        Where’s the “dread” in that text? If a girl sent me that I’d reply with: “lolz… k”

        The dudes here have spelled it out. Drop her.’

        But I do get where you’re coming from. You have some guilt and want to be a “good guy” etc etc…

        Do you honestly believe that her having your child would have been a good thing? Or did you hope that would bond her closer to you?

        Be honest, because from what you’re writing it sounds like you were hoping you could find a way to get closer to her and she’s putting more distance in between you.

        Girls do this…it’s what they do when they feel smothered, guilty.

        The “I want guys to chase” nonsense…yeah, I’ve heard that from a few girls…and I simply reply: “Nah…too lazy…there’s probably better options for you out there…”

        Find a way to forget her.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 9:40 am stained class

        I didn’t text her that – I’m taking everyone’s advice to heart.

        hah, if anything “lolz, k” would be a good response to her, now. Used to use GBFM’s lolz’s on her to amuse myself – she liked that shit, go figure.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 12:42 pm stained class

        She just texted me “Hey”

        dance continues..

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  5. on March 31, 2015 at 12:08 pm stained class

    (PART ONE)

    the ex texted me yesterday at 2pm

    her: Hey Ian

    me: (5am) hey carly

    her:  Casual 5 am answer.

    me:  your up early. watsup

    her:  I can’t sleep. Now I have to get ready for work.

    her:  Why an answer that early from you may I ask

    her: (half hour later)  To be honest I had a dream about you

    me:  howd it make you feel

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 12:09 pm stained class

      (PART 2)

      her:  Mmm

      her: Kinda sad

      her:  I’m having not a great time

      me: whys that 

      her:  Why did it make me sad? Or why am I not having a great time ? 

      I wonder about my past a lot and if things went different with us. – I work a lot and I still am having trouble with money and it’s frustrating.

      me: the past isnt our future, nothin is stopping us

      her: Our past is what I have to go by though. It is unfortunate.  Are you working a lot ?

      me: not sure what youre wanting from me – im off for a week wednesday

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 12:11 pm stained class

        (PART 3)

        her: What do you mean? I’m not necessarily looking for anything I just wanna know what your doing I guess

        me: im continuing to pursue my passions with the intent to manifest all my desires. lately, ive had more focus and determination then before and that nothing is standing in my way.

        her: Like what? I’m intrigued to hear

        me: wat nite are u free this week

        her: Why not tn

        me: on nites till weds. you have another nite

        i texted that 11 mins after her. no reply.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 12:12 pm stained class

        (PART 4 – fuck mods)

        not sure if this bish is emo drippin’ me or too shy to meet up. regardless, im near the end of my rope with her going ghost on me after i try and set something. 

        she dumps me, we bang 3 weeks later a couple times – she goes ghost as i initiate when i shouldnt have.

        id rather just lay it out to her saying somethinv like

        ‘”looks like youre still not over the old me. need to get over that and start from a fresh approach. im not interested in being ‘just friends’- that hasn’t changed. If you change your mind on giving ‘us’ another try then let me know and we can explore whether that’s an option’.

        thoughts?

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 12:17 pm Mel Gibson

        Are you asking for advice or just advertising your life?

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 12:38 pm stained class

        mods fixed it – im looking on whether to
        call her bluff or yet again, go ghost

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 12:52 pm Sentient

        “I work a lot and I still am having trouble with money and it’s frustrating”

        errrrrmmmmmm….. You need to be gone my friend. This is a girl that followed her hamster, ran into a trap and is looking for help out. This is not Twu Wuv… Be gone.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 12:57 pm having a bad day

        @stained class

        “thoughts?”

        you have oneitis…fix that…

        1) she dumped you…2) she has money problems…3) she asks about how much you’ve been working (making money)…4) your ‘wordiness’ on your texting about your dreams and her response to that…5) she wants to meet asap (on her terms/frame)…6) she doesn’t want to reschedule (your terms/frame)…7) she drops the interaction first (so if you initiate = you chasing her)…

        all that is her looking for a beta provider…

        i’m going to assume (yeah, i know…lol) that you were dating her, got some red pill, then tried to up your alpha level and it caused her to dump you…and now, you have enough of the red pill choked down far enough to know/see the way things are, but not down far enough to accept that what you are seeing is really what is there in front of you…can you taste that bitterness…swallow harder…it’s there…lol…

        so, if my assumptions are right…she had you as a beta provider…you got some red pill and tried to up your alpha…she balked at that and dumped you as a shit test (which you didn’t know how to handle…) and probably banged you when she was in her ‘asshole’ part of her cycle…provided you were trying to ‘be alpha’ with her…OR the flip side of that, which was her banging you when you were ‘chasing her’ in full beta relapse mode…as a way to bring you back into her beta orbit…and you are still red pill aware enough to not go for that situ…either way, it’s making her sexual strategy circuits unable to figure out what to do about you…which causes her to feel uncomfortable and avoid you…this is also why calibration is so important to pua…you want to avoid those crossed circuits as much as possible…

        if it makes you feel better, you are not in a unique situ…most guys that choke down the red pill want to use their new superpowers to get ‘the girl of their dreams’™ (their current gf or former flame…) but that never works bc their gf has them locked into her beta bux algorithm and it’s almost never possible (for the newly red pill novice) to extract from that position…

        focus on other girls…for at least as long as you went out with her…

        good luck!

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 1:12 pm stained class

        @Sentient

        i was never one to give her any $/empathy

        she paid for most of our shit actually lol – she was living with her parents at the time.

        she’s now 22, her parents told her to leave their house by the new year – she found a place in the big city, rents threw down $ as a loan for first and last. now she’s struggling. i couldnt give a shit regarding that – she made her bed.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 1:21 pm Sentient

        “now she’s struggling” and looking to hook you. Read what HABD said, it’s spot on. and take this to heart – forget her. delete her number. Block her number. Take refuge in many, many other women.

        You won, she lost (you – lol), take solace from that. If you get back with her, she will probably have a child with you lickety splitish…. Dun Dun Dun Done!!!!!! [dramatic piano chords]

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 2:14 pm Walky Talky

        @habd
        you want to avoid those crossed circuits as much as possible…

        What ? Why? How? When? Lol can u plz elaborate on it. Thnx

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 2:39 pm having a bad day

        @walky talky

        alpha fux or beta bux…pick one…lol…

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 8:17 pm Reco

        Listen to what HABD is saying here. I was caught in the In between beta and alpha Between wih a couple of chicks. And it did not work out and just frustrated the hell out of me.

        Get away from this chick.

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 1:19 pm Benson

      Sentient is right. I was all broken up over my ex for two months, and I came here to figure out how to win her back. But I cut her off completely and feel a lot better now. Just quit answering her texts. Girls that dump you aren’t worth your frustration.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 1:42 pm stained class

        preciate the comments fellas.

        @habd – we started kickin it when she was 19 – me 25. i was a bouncer, her a hard 9 barmaid. went from there. its been 3 yrs.

        its interesting how you folks bring up $$. just entered my career of choice now – when we were together i worked 6days a week to make it. she was never with me for the $.

        she may have made the q asking me if i work a lot – i usually work in her city.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 1:46 pm stained class

        she aborted in july – loves kids, she took it the way any normal 21 yr girl w high smv but pressured into high status career would do – carry on, tho become sentimential about it.

        ive never been clear with her what my intentions are – it would ease my ‘pain?’ by texting her something like “looks like youre still not over the old me. get in touch when youre ready to start a fresh approach. not interested in being just friends. if you change your mind on giving ‘us’ another try then let me know and we can explore whether that’s an option.”

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 2:37 pm having a bad day

        @stained class

        is that you thrust?…lol…same advice as last summer…move on…bc oneitis…

        if not thrust, same advice…spin more plates…

        “she paid for most of our shit actually lol – she was living with her parents at the time.”

        so, she had plenty of money to do that…

        “she’s now 22, her parents told her to leave their house by the new year – she found a place in the big city, rents threw down $ as a loan for first and last. now she’s struggling. i couldnt give a shit regarding that – she made her bed.”

        that sounds bitter…you should move on just bc of this…also, girls don’t change that much to avoid whatever issues there were in the past…you’re just going to get more of whatever that was…

        “its interesting how you folks bring up $$. just entered my career of choice now – when we were together i worked 6days a week to make it. she was never with me for the $.”

        sooo, her parents paid for her until this year…then, she gets kicked out…then, you start your career of choice (i assume for good $$)…and she’s struggling…

        things change, but if she saw you as an ‘alpha provider’ she wouldn’t even hesitate on keeping up the contact…she would be throwing herself at you…same if she saw you as just an alpha stud…sooo, the default position you are in is the beta bux category…that’s probably why she wants to be ‘friends’ = beta orbiter…

        if she has a ‘high status career’, she should be good on the $$…if she’s a true HB9, she can get a job/career as a model…$ problem solved for her…unless she has a coke problem…then RUN…lol…

        “ive never been clear with her what my intentions are – it would ease my ‘pain?’ by texting her something like “looks like youre still not over the old me. get in touch when youre ready to start a fresh approach. not interested in being just friends. if you change your mind on giving ‘us’ another try then let me know and we can explore whether that’s an option.””

        = she is the prize = too wordy = too much investment = oneitis…oneitis isn’t just a problem with the one girl, it’s a basic flaw in your view of the world…

        oneitis = the view that NAWALT (bc she is so special…and conversely that you are not good enough…)…would you still feel that way if she was 10 years older/50 pounds fatter/had 2 kids from 2 different baby daddies?…

        let me repeat that…oneitis is based in the idea that you ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH…fix this FIRST…

        good luck!

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 2:38 pm having a bad day

        @stained class

        stack ate another one…

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 2:44 pm stained class

        fuck sake

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 2:58 pm having a bad day

        Whoo Hoo! bumped to mod…lol…

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 3:45 pm stained class

        i should mention, the last time we banged over a month ago – she legit told me why i dont like the chase.. basically why im not chasing her..

        i found this fasinating and asked her what she meant by that – she said that a guy should chase after a girl if he truly wants her etc..

        i told her that you dumped me – i wont chase you, thats not how its played.

        i chalked it up to a sloot saying one thing and wanting the other, however it did mindfuck me – i was prepped to chase.

        yes, i am always gaming other girls – however im in military law enforcement – the tail anywhere near a base is fucking dreadful.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 4:45 pm Sentient

        “the tail anywhere near a base is fucking dreadful.”

        this is not an abundance mindset. This will lead to all kinds of bad shit for you. correct at once. Are you in the South? Tinder? Travel?

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 5:46 pm stained class

        tinder is weak, im in canada.

        awaiting habd’s reply outta mod – i’m looking for an “alpha way” to state my intentions to her, so if she texts again, ill know why shes reaching out.

        or, go ghost.

        i thought my potential text to her is a decent start..

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:06 pm Benson

        @stained glass “it would ease my ‘pain?’ by texting her something like “looks like youre still not over the old me. get in touch when youre ready to start a fresh approach. not interested in being just friends. if you change your mind on giving ‘us’ another try then let me know and we can explore whether that’s an option.”

        Very gay. All that text will do is give her an ego boost and leave you more discouraged. Just walk away, man. You’ll eventually get over her or she’ll wander back to you. Either way, you win.

        The advice the commenters here gave both of us is solid. Follow it and things get better.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:28 pm Sentient

        @stained – clear this up. she aborted in July? Your kid or not your kid?

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:43 pm stained class

        @ Sentient – yeh, it was mine.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:47 pm Sentient

        Sorry to hear that. RUN. Do not look back. This guilt is a time bomb that will go off on you if you wife her up or LTR. It may not be for 5 or 10 years, but it WILL happen.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:57 pm stained class

        not sure i understand – it was her decision.

        as long as i didnt come off like a weiner with her on that text exchange, then there’s nothing i can do.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 7:14 pm Sentient

        No sugar coating here, so skip if you want.

        Sure it was “her” decision but women are NOT responsible for THEIR decisions. So like in 5 years when something reproductive happens, like you two do have another kid or get some news you will not have children, doesn’t matter which, it triggers all of her guilt about killing her first kid. and that guilt needs to have a target and it AINT going to be her. No self respecting hamster will allow that. Guess who it will be?

        Times up Starbuck. It’s you. because you weren’t – fill in the blank – enough to stop her – yeah yeah yeah even though she did exactly what she wanted to do…. doesn’t matter.

        Google attachment disorder because some version of that is coming down the pike here.

        Good luck.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 8:57 pm Heywood Jablome

        she aborted in july

        She chopped up your child and flushed him down a garbage disposal … and you want to be around her? What the fuck is wrong with you?

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 9:18 pm Anonymous

        @ heywood.

        yeah, it’s interesting when you look at it that way. we weren’t ready for one at all, for one – it’s one of those things.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 9:01 am Putin

        “clear this up. she aborted in July? Your kid or not your kid?

        on March 31, 2015 at 6:43 pm stained class

        @ Sentient – yeh, it was mine.”

        Don’t minimize this as both of you may have to deal with this for a while. At least emotionally.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 9:47 am stained class

        we don’t talk about heavy shit like that – surface level shit only. i never got deep with her, my gut told me not to.

        she brought it up when she contacted me the first time post break up. we banged it out, went flawless – she mentioned she’d be 6 months into her pregnancy etc..

        hooked up a 2nd time – i reached out, then she went cold. now it’s this.
        that was in early feb – we hung out again with

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  6. on March 31, 2015 at 12:23 pm Okonombwo

    It depends on the kind of girl and how much acerbic wit you could get away with without overgaming.

    “Take a picture, it’ll last longer” is polarizing – if she is a little shy or LSE, or afraid of rejection it’ll drive her away. If she’s under 23 with an ego overinflated by too many unearned Likes, it probably will hit the sweet spot and make her look at you with “look at me, i just found myself my very own cad” eyes.

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  7. on March 31, 2015 at 12:28 pm Sentient

    CH nails it. Wit is always sexy. It’s not always necessary, but it is always sexy and DHV. Too many guys fail at wit because they are angry and have to “win” so everything they say has the wrong edge to it. It’s not witty to insult a girl outright, a neg is a gentle tease, an invitation for her to laugh at herself while you show you are not smitten by her. Lighten up out there. Have some fun, don’t be so precious and don’t be afraid to laugh at yourself.

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  8. on March 31, 2015 at 12:42 pm Weenis

    I really think he should have tried Chivalry game:

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 1:35 pm Sentient

      Now that was funny….

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  9. on March 31, 2015 at 12:42 pm Captain Obvious

    I hate to be a jerk, but do you guys even enjoy talking to chicks? YR’s algorithmic spreadsheet is like “Introduction to Human Conversation 101” for completely spergtarded anti-social recluses and hermits [God bless their little hearts].

    [CH: let’s not be hyperbolic. it’s quite a bit beyond most men’s concept of “human conversation 101”. granted, naturals tend to know this stuff intuitively, even if they aren’t consciously aware they’re dropping game, but naturals are few and far between. CH and others like us give the average man the same gifts that the natural possesses.]

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 12:55 pm Sentient

      Nah… it’s just a model, one that works BTW. Believe this was from Mystery/Strauss… It may be obvious to you once you recognized the patterns, but there is a lot of things that hang of the different points C1, S1 etc. Routines and such.

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 1:50 pm having a bad day

      @CO

      I luuuvvvv talking to girls…now…lol…

      before i found out about game (and tested it in real life applications/situs to know it was accurate) i was mostly just angry/bitter about girls (including my wife)…bc they never followed through with what they SAID they wanted…in fact, they actively ‘dinged’ me for believing them and acting on that belief…in other words, i was clueless…lol…now, not so much…

      that algorithmic spreadsheet is like a bunch of cheat codes on your favorite video game…just bc it lets you understand/be comfortable with where you are in the process, doesn’t mean you just have to wave the sheet around in the air to get girls to like you…you still have to play the game…

      and bc i’m a spergtard (with a BIG heart…lol), let’s be pedantic…YR’s (really Mystery’s model) algorithmic spreadsheet is better labeled “Introduction to Conversation with Girls You Want to Bang 101″…lol…

      you’ve been hanging around here long enough to have at least tried some of this stuff in RL…or seen this stuff in play in meat world…doesn’t it work for you?…if it does, then your upbraiding us about game is less than honest…and if not, share the details and we can troubleshoot your approach…you’ve been around here long enough to know that i just want men to have a better chance at better, more fulfilling lives…

      good luck!

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 2:36 pm Captain Obvious

        We’re sitting here quarrelling about how to approach the hawt yoga chick in the coffee shop who has indicated that she’s very interested in you, so now here’s a novel idea: How about you just walk up to Little Miss Already-Wet-Between-The-Legs and speak this really strange and foreign and obscure English-language word to her, called “Hello!” And then if you actually ENJOY the company of women [as opposed to the company of Japanese Sexbots or Hentai Porn or Dungeons & Dragons conventions or whatever], then you let the conversation flow from there.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 2:56 pm having a bad day

        @CO

        there is no need to disparage my aspergery compatriots’ hobbies in whatever form…lol…

        in my experience, Just Be Yourself™ conversation flow has a decidedly negative effect on said girl’s ‘wetness’…but perhaps you have a different experience…you might be a natural, but most men (including me) are not…there is no need to disparage us, just bc it’s easy for you…

        good luck!

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 3:12 pm YaReally

        “Just be yourself” is great as long as yourself is awesome lol The catch is that everyone leaves a word out in that…It should be “Just be your BEST self”.

        If your “self” is socially retarded, no goals in life, no ambition, unhealthy, ungroomed, no confidence, etc., then fix that shit. Fix as much of it as you can so that when you “just be yourself”, you’re being the best version of yourself that you can be.

        Like if you’re a sperg who doesn’t have “witty conversation flow”, work on that. Take improv classes, swipe stories from other people till you learn how to tell your own stories, go to Toastmasters, practice practice practice till you DO have witty conversation flow. You can LEARN comedic timing and how to tell interesting stories, there are books on this shit out there lol

        “there is no need to disparage us, just bc it’s easy for you…”

        Yup. I respect anyone who’s putting in the effort to improve their shit, even if they aren’t good yet. Not a lot of respect for guys who sit around kicking sand in those guys’ faces…like why would you even post here? Just to discourage other guys from improving themselves? Way to go, you’re the bully stuffing nerds in lockers but as an adult. Either help out or go set and achieve your own goals while these guys work on achieving theirs.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:20 pm Captain Obvious

        > “as long as yourself is awesome ” As a Tradcon and a Romantic and a Sentimentalist, it’s the big picture awesomeness which interests me. Rediscover your masculinity, develop a spine, show some signs of Dark Triad shiznat, never back down in a fight, lose your temper if necessary, scare her a little, tell off-color politically incorrect jokes, ridicule The Narrative, BE A MAN. Playful jostling with the nice girls, hard negs for the c*nts. When you make love, give her so many org*sms that she’ll walk bow-legged for a week afterwards.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:25 pm Captain Obvious

        What terrifies me is “A3 MALE-TO-FEMALE INTEREST”. Je$u$ Chr!st, are you guys stll in 3rd Grade? Are girls still icky? Do you even have a pen!s? I’m very worried that some of these guys would rather whack off to porn in their mother’s basements than sit in a cafe and sip on a nice glass of wine and ENJOY talking to the girl who is your date.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:39 pm Captain Obvious

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:42 pm Captain Obvious

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:46 pm Captain Obvious

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 7:41 pm YaReally

        Captain Obvious

        What terrifies me is “3 DASHES OF OREGANO NOT GARLIC”. Are you guys still in 3rd grade? Is eating you vegetables still icky? Do you even know how to use a knife and fork? I’m very worried that some of these guys who read and write recipes would rather wolf down shitty McDonald’s than sit in a 5 star restaurant sipping a nice glass of wine and ENJOYING their 5-star meal.

        What you’re saying doesn’t make sense. It’s in the category of “JEEZE BRO YOU THINK TOO MUCH HOW CAN U ENJOY LIFE IF UR THINKING ALL THE TIME??? BRO JUST STOP THINKING, SMOKE SOME POT OR SOMETHING U CANT ENJOY THINGS IF YOU UNDERSTAND THEM!!!!1”

        Like, I get why you’re saying it and why you might think it’s important enough to type and press Send, but it’s stupid lol

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 8:02 pm YaReally

        Captain Obvious

        This is basically the visual equivalent of what you’re writing lol:

        Fuck it! Turn off your brain! Don’t think! Thinking is for pussies!! Pro athletes? They’re just charging down the field head down no fucks given, they aren’t using strategy or anything. They aren’t reading BOOKS or studying anything to improve their technique, fuck that shit…reading? Learning? What are you some fuckin NERD?? Bro you can’t enjoy a sport if you read books about it! You think Jordan’s practicing his jumping to get that much air? You think he’s doing drills dribbling?? fuck that bro, he was just born with it, if he was in the gym at 3am doing leg workouts and drills that’s some NERD SHIT YO, dude wouldn’t be able to enjoy playing basketball and raping everyone at it as he’s dunking left and right if he’s fuckin TRYING!! Dude if he was PRACTICING to get better I would worry that guy doesn’t even fuckin LIKE basketball wtf he should just jack off in his mom’s basement instead you can’t like something AND want to be good at it!! I play pickup basketball in my buddy’s driveway, trust me man, don’t be like that Jordan chump dude doesn’t even know how to enjoy a good game of b-ball with his buddies!

        Like ok, you do your thing, long as you’re happy. But I’ll be in the gym at 3am working on my jump shot ’cause I love what I do lol

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 5:31 am Captain Obvious

        YR, if we have to write a cookbook recipe to tell these losers that THE D!CK IS SUPPOSED TO BE INSERTED IN THE PU$$Y, then all hope is lost. Earthworms and centipedes and nematodes know how to do that shiznat without paying $249.99 for a lecture on it in the conference room at the Hyatt Regency. What worries me is that some combination of {The War Against Boys} + {RItalin/Adderall/SSRIs/Marijuana} + {Ubiquitous Free Downloadable Porn} + {Seinfeld/Friends/SntC/Daily-Show} has rendered these boys completely incapable of figuring out what they’re supposed to be doing with their sexual plumbing. Talking to chicks is supposed to be FUN, not freaking calculus homework or conjugating verbs in ancient Greek or What is the Capital of Outer Sh!tholeistan for $100?, Alex.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 5:38 am Captain Obvious

        PS: Don’t be a ghey dungeons-n-dragons basement dwelling loser and ridicule sports. Sports teach little boys about masculinity. About winning and losing. About living a physical life in the outdoors, beneath the sun, breathing the fresh air, seeing actual human females in the flesh. About getting away from the xBox and the xHamster and getting the blood flowing and circulating and maybe some of that improved cardiovascular response might actually make its way to the general vicinity of enlarging the pen!s into an actual erect!on without the need for sucking on a Blue Pill. Participation in sports is the mortal enemy of manboobery and FUPA and the War Against Boys.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 9:19 am JS

        That’s right Ya, I taught ’em all ’bout real masculinity…

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      • on April 2, 2015 at 4:13 am Truman

        Talking to chicks is supposed to be FUN

        Yes, and it’s also competitive (against other guys), and involves salesman-like persuasion, which doesn’t come naturally to most people.

        Don’t be a ghey dungeons-n-dragons basement dwelling loser and ridicule sports.

        He’s not ridiculing sports, he’s using a sporting analogy to ridicule your argument.

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      • on April 2, 2015 at 5:50 am Pyjama Wearing Ninja

        @YaReally, that gym video is funny. It’s why I don’t go to the gym between January and March. Damn beginners with their new years resolutions.

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 1:56 pm martin

      zombie shane used to say the same exact thing.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 2:50 pm Greg Eliot

        Eh, martin…zombie shane and Captain Obvious are the same guy… ‘thought that by now that was, well… obvious.

        I’m guessing there was a moderation ban on the former monicker due to repetitious buns-in-oven posting, but whatever…

        Do try to keep up, there’s a good fellow.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 3:00 pm martin

        i don’t recall him ever saying so. and no, it isn’t my job to care about the drama on these boards. i assume absolutely nothing anyone says about themselves here is true. so i refuse to reserve any portion of my memory for that information.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 3:11 pm GregEliot

        You were the one who brought up zombie shane and what he used to say, kid… part of yo’ haid must be keeping track.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 3:13 pm GregEliot

        And yet you did bring up what zombie shane used to say. (((shakin’ mah haid)))

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 2:59 pm YaReally

      “YR’s algorithmic spreadsheet is like “Introduction to Human Conversation 101″”

      Yup. That’s why it just demonstrates how little someone has actually looked into PUA when they brush it off as “I don’t need that game stuff” or “I just go up and say hi, bro”.

      Because at it’s core level all Mystery did was observe consistent patterns in human interaction and lay them out in an understandable step by step list of stages between meeting a girl and fucking her, and then gave guys routines/tools for each stage to flip the switch and smoothly transition into the next stage.

      Like that’s it, that’s game right there. Everyone who’s ever had sex has gone through this set of stages.

      Sometimes they blink through the stages quickly (a rockstar’s entire fanbase/audience is in A2 before he even notices them), sometimes they go through the stages slowly (some nerd first learning pickup is going to take a while before he learns to demonstrate enough value to get to A2 where the girl is showing him interest).

      Sometimes they go through the stages consciously, like a studied PUA. Sometimes they go through them on auto-pilot, like a Natural. Sometimes they go through them by sheer fluke, like some chode at a party who just happened to do something that accidentally raised his value and the girl helped him fumble his way through all the stages.

      But every single interaction that results in sex goes through these stages (minus hookers lol).

      So yes, this is basically just common sense. But the idea that human interaction and seduction, something that society has conditioned people to think is all random and “you either have it or you don’t” and it’s all destiny and all this shit…the idea that not only can that actually be predicted and broken down into a consistent repeatable series of steps, but that you could practice moving from step to step by knowing what to say/do to trigger the next step, and that you could get BETTER at that, with practice?

      That revelation was fucking MINDBLOWING. It’s like saying you can explain exactly how to predict the exact number a roulette wheel will land on consistently, and that you can teach other guys how to do that themselves. Mystery took what people thought was random chance and codified it into something that can be predicted and the odds tilted in a guy’s favor.

      “MIKE: Why does this still seem like gambling to you? I mean, why do you think the same five guys make it to the final table of the World Series of Poker EVERY SINGLE YEAR? What, are they the luckiest guys in Las Vegas? It’s a skill game, Jo.”

      The only real difference between a PUA and a guy who’s stumbling his way through this series of steps by fluke/luck, or a Natural who’s really good at certain steps but kind of shaky in other steps (like being really good at Attraction but terrible at Comfort, or getting the lay but fucking up the aftercare, etc.) is that a PUA is basically training to transition through these steps as fast and efficiently as possible. While one guy is swinging his bat in the general direction of the pinata, the PUA is peeking under the blindfold to hit it with as much efficiency as possible.

      The PUA/Manosphere/TRP/etc. communities lost a lot of prime knowledge when they tossed Mystery Method aside because of his fuzzy hat shit. I would bet that like 90% of guys on reddit’s TRP or in this comment section haven’t actually read Mystery Method or watched Mystery’s massive DVD set explaining it.

      As far as enjoying it goes…I don’t know, did Jordan enjoy playing basketball? Did Kasparov enjoy playing chess? Does Beckham enjoy playing soccer? Why would you enjoy talking to girls any less once you understand the dynamics and become skilled at leading it to sex? Doesn’t make any fuckin’ sense. If anything you enjoy it more because you’ve gained a sense of omnipotence being able to see and tweak all the dynamics of an interaction.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 3:04 pm YaReally

        (also yes, stuff like MM can help someone who’s on the spergy side learn to understand social interactions. Tyler himself admits he’s probably got some sperg/autism in him and couldn’t read/understand social cues when he was younger. I had to learn a lot about social interactions myself, I was a pretty hard case newbie, but that was just from lack of social interaction in my teenage years and early adulthood, not from any kind of mental disorder lol)

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 3:26 pm Captain Obvious

        YR, I pretty much agree with just about everything [which you just about always] say. My big problems are more metaphysical. #1 would be whether these dudes [who need the algorithm] really do NOT enjoy the company of women as much as they enjoy the company, of, say, a porn video at xHamster. #2 would be the fact that the algorithm is a TOOL, which can be used for either good or for evil – just like a gun or a stick of dynamite or an airplane filled with jet fuel. If we put the tool out there for all the world to see, then some truly evil people could start abusing it. #3 would be the cynicism which comes from knowing the algorithm and its effectiveness and whether that cynicism could push an at-risk Playah into the Dark Triad from whence he might never return. You can either use your algorithm and the ensuing ejaculations purposefully, or you can grow tired and wrinkled and droopy-tittied and have your picture posted at “Men Who Look Like Old Lesbians”. Your choice.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 4:18 pm having a bad day

        @CO

        re #1 – if you were told that every time you went up and talked to a girl (Just be Yourself™…lol), that you would get a cookie (reward) and then when you did talk to her, you got slapped (punishment) instead…how long/many times would you go through with that?…would you enjoy it?…lol…then, you find this secret manual (game) that explains why you got slapped…and how to actually avoid getting slapped and get the cookie…then you follow that advice (secret formula) and it works…would talking to real live girls become enjoyable again?…damn straight it would…lol…and the more you practice, the more enjoyable it is…

        re #2 – game = tool…yes, tools are helpful AND dangerous…but the greatest thing about game is that it is not just the knowledge base that’s important. that algorithmic spreadsheet is cool and all…but the most important thing is that effective game is experiential…just like basketball, chess, soccer…or the force…lol…i can explain how to play chess to you in 2 minutes…it’s actually pretty simple, right?…so, why do some people always win?…deep understanding and experience…same as game…that’s why i try to help men who put in the work…you can ‘know’ all day, but unless you ‘do’ it’s not going to help you…

        re #3 – the cynicism…that’s just a big part of the red pill bitterness…we all have tasted that shit. you can’t get this far without it…yes, it sucks…but the world hasn’t changed just bc you suddenly understand it better than you did yesterday…and you have to move through the different phases of choking down the red pill at your own pace…it’s just a process…a bitter process…

        good luck!

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 4:21 pm YaReally

        Captain Obvious

        1) If you don’t know how to cook and you learn recipes and make delicious food in your kitchen, would you NOT enjoy it because you had to work to make it? Would you enjoy a video of food better? Makes no fuckin sense lol

        2) That’s why we try to also teach rules like “leave them better than you found them” and talk about spreading good vibes and value to people, same way a martial arts instructor teaches his students to use their skills for self defense and to protect loved ones, not to bully people. Some people will use those skills for bad, just like some people will use a gun to kill an innocent person, but what’s the alternative, ban everything that could ever be used in a bad way? Again, makes no sense

        3) Cynicism is a choice. I love the girls I’m with, even if it’s for a short while. There’s no empty “oh god, why am I so lonely 😥 my soul is empty!” tears streaming down my cheek as the girl leaves lol That’s just feminist shaming bullshit to get guys scared of not trying to get married. Play the field, have fun, find out what you like, find out what you don’t like, find the types of girls you click with and enjoy being around, then when you’re old enough that you want more stability pick the best one and settle down with her, ideally in a relationship where she’s only banging you and you’re allowed to have fuckbuddies on the side possibly with her involved for regular FMF 3somes if you screen properly and set the right frame lol

        None of this is a big deal. The sky isn’t falling lol All this stuff does is give guys who were going to end up miserable or weeded out of evolution the chance to change that.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 5:29 pm kant

        Yareally,

        As far as Mystery Method goes, I don’t really understand how Comfort is useful in fast seduction. If anything in my experience it is counter productive and raises a girl’s ASD / LMR as she now feels a connection and thinks you are boyfriend material (‘make him wait’ dynamic).

        Personally my style is to push up alpha dominance and sexual state as far as possible while keeping comfort down to a baseline of ‘not an axe murderer’, but no more than that.

        Thoughts?

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:45 pm Sentient

        @Kant – IDK I would say Comfort – if you parse through the stage steps – IS fats seduction. it’s not talking about her Mom and her family and Christmas mornings, it’s connection, bubble, vibe – trust in a word.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:46 pm Sentient

        edit – LOL – Fast not fats before a sperglord jumps on it…

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 7:29 pm YaReally

        kant

        “If anything in my experience it is counter productive and raises a girl’s ASD / LMR as she now feels a connection and thinks you are boyfriend material (‘make him wait’ dynamic).”

        Some shit to keep in mind:

        1) This is gonna get confusing so the people lol’ing about over-analysis are gonna love this lol but try to stick with me cause this is all explainable, it’s just primarily a definition problem and partly a societal shift. That chart doesn’t show it (didn’t read it thoroughly before I posted it but the person who put it together summarized a little too brief lol) but Mystery has written/talked about how the actual main difference between the stages of Comfort is location. So it goes:

        C1 – building comfort where you met her (so at the bar or on the street or whatever)
        C2 – building comfort in a location separate from the meeting location (aka isolate her away from her friends or to a different venue when you meet her, or to some other location on a Day2)
        C3 – building comfort within the sex location (so getting her comfortable back at your place)

        When you understand it as he intended it, even the really fast bangs are still following what I just described as C1-C3. Even banging a girl in the bathroom at a club involves opening so that’s C1 (meet location), then moving her to the bathroom for C2 (isolation), then handling any “omg I can’t believe we’re doing this” shit as you walk into a stall is C3 (comfort within the sex location). Or for the slow version first opening her at a bar is C1 (meet location), setting up a Day2 to walk around the beach is C2 (isolation), and chilling on the couch with her watching a movie and cuddling as you escalate is C3 (comfort within the sex location).

        So when you and I are talking about “Comfort” in the context of your post, we’re actually talking about stuff like those 26 questions or whatever I linked a while back…which actually build deep RAPPORT (feeling like you have a special connection), not COMFORT (feeling like she can trust you)…building Rapport CREATES Comfort. That’s why a lot of old pickup material uses the combo term “Comfort/Rapport” because the two are so closely linked that it often saves time to just link them together…ie – if you’re getting Rapport then you’re likely also getting Comfort, but the two things themselves are separate. In terms of science, think of it like Comfort is a constant (you ALWAYS need C1-C3 as Mystery defines them above) and Rapport is a variable (the amount of Rapport needed to get Comfort varies from girl to girl and has lowered in our modern casual sex climate).

        So what you’re experiencing isn’t that too much COMFORT is causing them to see you as boyfriend material, it’s too much RAPPORT. Your game has evolved to basically use Attraction spikes to build the minimal amount of Rapport needed for her to feel Comfortable enough to bang you. I do a similar thing: I have amazing COMFORT with girls, they fully trust me to come home with me and fuck me, but I have the absolute bare minimum RAPPORT necessary to GET that Comfort. We know practically nothing about eachother lol

        Why is it C1-C3 instead of R1-R3? Because even though you’re LIKELY getting Comfort if you have Rapport, you CAN have Rapport WITHOUT Comfort. You and I can chat in a bar about baseball and build great Rapport with eachother, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to loan you the keys to my Ferrari. If you want to borrow my Ferrari, you’re gonna need me to trust you which is Comfort. So Comfort is ultimately the gateway to the next stage of seduction. On the flip side say you and I don’t know eachother and are thrown on a Survivor type reality show but the only catch is that we’re not allowed to talk at all so we CAN’T build Rapport. We go through a bunch of stress and harsh weather and help eachother survive and get food for eachother and I take care of you when you get sick and you catch me as I’m about to fall off a cliff on a hike etc. and we go through an emotional rollercoaster and absolute hell together but we survive and win the show and go back to normal daily life…even though we have minimal Rapport, we would have a ton of Comfort trusting eachother and I would probably let you borrow my Ferrari.

        Make sense? lol this is a complicated one to explain, it’s always bugged me how the words get used so interchangably (a byproduct of simplifying shit to make it easier to digest for newbies and articles etc. as PUA went mainstream), but realistically 90% of the time this just isn’t that important to focus on. Like it’s rare that a situation where Rapport/Comfort needing to be defined separately would come up but now that you point out that dynamic that’s actually one of those rare times where the separate definition is relevant lol I doubt even Mystery expected society to shift this way back in the day.

        Feel free to ask more questions and I’ll try to clarify.

        Now with that all said, going BACK to using “Comfort” the way that you meant it and that we all normally use it where it also encompasses Rapport and basically means “getting to know eachother”:

        2) Mystery WANTED girls to fall in love with him. To get some stripper in Vegas or Hollywood minor celeb chick or some huge bitch-shield cocky Toronto chick (where he originally cut his teeth learning game) to call you begging to hang out she had to be a bit “in love” and feel like you knew eachother’s soul. He also enjoyed the Day2s in general, there used to be vids of him on Day2s walking around the beach and just having fun with girls. This is cause Mystery actually LIKES women lol Like Tyler hated women when he started out (he’s changed now tho) and game was all about getting revenge on them to him back then, but Mystery has always loved them. So spending a couple hours walking around a mall with a girl hand in hand and telling stories and getting to know eachother was fun for him. His goal was more mLTR (multiple LTRs where it’s like having more than one girlfriend, Heffner style) than just racking up lay counts. So MM is geared toward developing deep connections and relationships with women, not just getting laid as fast as possible. I have a buddy who’s like this too, he loves all that shit and likes having girls fall in love with him because he wants to date them for a while, whereas I find it boring and I don’t want the girl to fall in love with me lol Neither way is “better” it just comes down to your own goals/preferences. But a LOT more guys are looking to find girlfriends/LTRs when they take up pickup than they are just looking to eternally casually bang girls, so it’s important that Mystery broke down how to build that really deep LTR style connection building because more guys are seeking that after they rack up some notches.

        3) Comfort (again in the sense of “getting to know eachother” where it encompasses Rapport too) in general was more important back when he wrote MM. Back in those days ya there was casual sex, but it wasn’t as socially approved as it is now. Not many people had cell phones and texting literally didn’t exist yet, so there was no Facebook, Instagram, Tinder, OKCupid, POF, etc. feeding girls unlimited sexual options and validation 24/7 with all their friends hooking up left and right and Jezebel articles encouraging girls to ride the cock carousel etc. The romantic notion of dating/LTRs hadn’t died off yet, so back THEN Comfort was actually to get AROUND ASD because if you DIDN’T do Comfort you’d be more likely to get “omg he just wants casual sex??” ASD/LMR. Whereas now it’s kind of 180’ed in that they don’t need more than minimal Comfort to have sex and too much Comfort can fuck it up. The threshold for how much Comfort a girl needs before she bangs has dropped dramatically.

        Good observation in general, glad you brought it up. A lot of these nuances are explained in the original Mystery Method content, but the “dumbed down” version of MM that most people know and reference is basically “that crazy flowchart thing, fuzzy hats, and negs” where all these little nuances are lost and then questions like this naturally come up and it’s like ya I can see how that would be confusing. I just happen to have spent a LOT of time reading the original content back when I first got into PUA (I would read from the minute I got home from work till I passed out for sleep or went out sarging and trying out what I read lol, basically every free minute I was absorbing all this shit).

        This nuanced shit doesn’t really get taught these days because a lot of it isn’t necessary to fully understand to get laid enough to be happy. If I tell you “just tell her “put your number in my phone”” and you do it, it’s gonna work even if you don’t understand that that’s a compliance test and that it’s demonstrating authority and that your tonality was commanding breaking rapport and that the reason I told you to do it was because I saw her playing with her hair which is an ioi etc. etc. So like, why bog you down with all that information that’ll probably just give you “paralysis by analysis” when you can just keep a simple “if we have a cool vibe, ask for her number!” rule in mind and you’ll get laid more than you were before.

        The problem with the simplified version of pickup is that you get less consistent results…like you’ll do better than before but as you move up in your skillset you’ll run into little problems where it’s like “when I do this is sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t…I just don’t get why it doesn’t always work…I mean, I’m happy enough, but it’s kind of bugging me that I wasn’t able to get that girl I wanted even though what I was doing with her worked on that other girl…” and it either eats away at you or you brush it off as “whatever, it’s just a numbers game” and never fix it. That’s the point where something like Mystery Method is going to connect the little dots and make you go “ohhhhhh, it worked with that other girl because ABC and it didn’t work with this one because XYZ!! I get it now” and you can gain conscious competence to increase your consistency. Like tightening the screws on your race car to win 1st place in 90% of your races instead of 70%.

        The whole Manosphere/TRP method of “just throw your dick at her and if she doesn’t jump on board, NEXT THAT BITCH!!!” is like the most retarded extreme version of not understanding the nuances of pickup lol It’s going full-tilt into “SOMETIMES THIS WORKS SOMETIMES IT DOESN’T I DON’T UNDERSTAND AND I DON’T CARE JUST MOVE ONTO THE NEXT BITCH!!!!!” numbers-game pickup. Mystery’s goal back in the way was “5 for 5” (literally quoting Mystery here: “if you can approach 5 sets and all 5 sets one by one as you approach them ultimately turn into relationships, that’s mastery” also note how he uses the word relationships not just lays like I mentioned earlier)…which is basically just 100% consistency. And that goal isn’t unrealistic when you fully understand all the nuances and shit in pickup. But the guys shouting “whatever bro pickup is just a numbers game” will never understand the nuances deep enough to be able to achieve that kind of consistency…and quite frankly, most guys don’t even care about that and that’s totally fine as long as they’re happy with their results. A lot of guys are perfectly happy spam approaching until something hooks and don’t care if they can walk into a room and pick out a specific girl and turn her into an LTR consistently just like most people playing World of Warcraft or some shit don’t care if they followed the optimal build to have the highest damage per second character possible, most people are perfectly content just having some badass swords and killing orcs.

        That came out longer than I expected lol

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 7:30 pm YaReally

        kant
        huuuuuge reply in mod lol CH, approve dat shit!

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 7:49 am walawala

        @Kant that was pretty much my approach too. The only problem with not going through “comfort” is that the girl nearly always had buyer’s remorse the next day and it was generally a one-off thing…or she would suddenly start shit-testing like crazy just before I banged her that it was way too dicey.

        I started spiking attraction and then building comfort/rapport, then escalating, then back…that model leading up to my place seems to work best.

        Comfort is more of a buffer…if the girl doesn’t feel she knows you then you end up having to manage more drama.

        I get that from one of the girls I’m banging…she’s super into banging…then suddenly she’s all about “our interaction is all about sex…” and i could just agree and amplify, but it ends up causing more problems.

        I have trouble with Comfort because it seems “beta” but actually it’s more about calibration for me now…

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 8:26 am Captain Obvious

        So you guys are developing a “comfort” subroutine in order to fake an emotional response so that you’ll have the option of dipping it in her more than just once? How about actually ENJOYING the time that you spend with her?

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 8:35 am Sentient

        Not mutually exclusive CO…

        Like, just because you know the physiology behind an orgasm, it doesn’t diminish the pleasure of an orgasm…

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 12:35 pm YaReally

        Sentient

        I’ve tried explaining it to him but he just doesn’t get it. I think Captain Obvious might have aspergers 😦

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 12:58 pm Sentient

        “The problem with the simplified version of pickup is that you get less consistent results…like you’ll do better than before but as you move up in your skillset you’ll run into little problems where it’s like “when I do this is sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t…I just don’t get why it doesn’t always work…”

        Yup. This exactly… stumbled back to Mystery over the last couple of months precisely because of this and found a bunch of gaps that were filled in through greater understanding.

        If a guy was starting out from scratch, what are the exact sources you would point him to today, in order?

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 1:12 pm Sentient

        @yareally (and others)

        OK on this topic of capital C Comfort… here is a situation I run into with some frequency. I don’t do Day 2’s, or numbers. Always gaming when I travel, so limited window and mostly always in new places. And I wear a ring.

        I can often get rapport going really well in a short period of time and do get pulls, but also I keep running into this situation, when extraction/pull fails the girl will usually try to get her number into my hand, and she will leave with a pleading “call me” and blink blink bat of the eyes. Like they will whip out their card and write their cell number on it, or go to the bar and write it down and give it to me (because I never whip out my phone or ask them for a number).

        So looking back here on these last posts, it seems like while Rapport is good, and kino is usually good as well btw, Comfort is still lacking. Do you concur? If so, what are some effective techniques to increase Comfort in a SNL paradigm?

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 2:34 pm having a bad day

        @YaReally

        thanks for that Comfort/Rapport breakdown…it clears up some structural issues i was seeing…

        so, just to check…

        Comfort = trust = congruency with alpha (good genetics) characteristics (sexualizing the interaction, kino escalation, handling testing, etc…you just want to get laid and she’s lucky to be in consideration…lol)…ping her alpha fux algorithm enough and it’s on…

        Rapport = connection = congruency with beta (cares about HER, not just getting laid) characteristics…ping her beta bux algorithm enough to get the type of relationship you want with her (depends on values she has) = calibration… mLTR to SDL… depending on what you want…

        @Sentient

        if the above is right, then you need more escalation (bounce to new location/more leading…even if it’s just to a different spot in the bar) and less rapport (in that same location)…the girls working to get their number to you are seeing you as LTR material…you’re presenting as ‘boyfriend’…not ‘lover’…

        good luck!

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 6:12 pm walawala

        @YaReally So is building comfort the reason I’ve been able to bang girls who in effect no very little about me?

        Can you use kino to build comfort?

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 6:30 pm Junior

        @YaReally / HABD

        Awesome breakdown, thanks for putting that up. Explains a recent day 2 that went flat. Spent 2.5 hrs at a bar (yea I know, waaaay too long & in just one venue – the Sonic the Hedgehog oxygen bubble evaporated & he drowned lol), heaps of question game, 1st time trying it & didn’t manage to sexualize… lame as fuck goodnite kiss on cheek lol, didn’t setup decent logistics so pulling to mine would’ve been an epic mission. Follow up texts tells me she had a nice time but wasn’t feeling it. I was thinking “wtf, how could she not be feelin it after all those exchanges?!” lol. Makes perfect sense now.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 6:47 pm kant

        Yareally,

        Thanks, that really clears things up

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 9:10 pm YaReally

        @Sentient

        Since this article is like a week I dropped a response/recommendation list of study material in:

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/essenbetenficken/

        But it’s of course in mod lol But reload there for whenever it comes out of mod.

        “it seems like while Rapport is good, and kino is usually good as well btw, Comfort is still lacking. Do you concur?”

        Ya. This is the situation I described where you can have amazing Rapport, but they need Comfort/trust to bang you.

        Think about it like this: Why do they want you to have their number? What’s a number going to lead to? A date, possibly multiple dates. What do they get on dates? They get more experience with you, trusting you, in different environments, which results in more Comfort. Why do online girls want to meet up instead of just come over to bang you if you have good rapport? They need some Comfort and that’s hard to build over OKCupid. Why do girls who break up tend to bang guys in their social circle instead of randoms when they’re on the rebound or cheat? They have Comfort/trust with those guys from being around them. Why do girls bang guys based off social proof? The other girls being comfortable with the guy gives them Comfort because they think “those girls must know something I don’t, if they have Comfort/trust with him then it’s probably okay for me to feel that way too” even though they may not have even talked to the guy themselves and have no Rapport at all with him yet.

        So you can get Comfort without Rapport, and get laid just off Comfort…but having Rapport without Comfort means no lay. She may still be into you, but she’ll want to do “other stuff” (like go on a date) to try to give herself time to get that Comfort she needs. And Rapport is just a really easy way to get Comfort compared to trying to organize social proof and shit.

        “If so, what are some effective techniques to increase Comfort in a SNL paradigm?”

        The idea is that she has to trust that opening up to you won’t harm her, basically. So how can we do that?

        1) Venue changing her is big. Every time you venue change a girl, ya there’s the time distortion effect but also you’re entering a new environment/area with her and not murdering her and no one kills her AND in fact, she has a GOOD TIME. So she gains a reference experience that “if I go somewhere with this guy, I can trust that it will be a fun experience for me”. If you’re chatting with the hot bartender and she’s stuck behind that bar all night, ya you might be cool and you have great rapport, but her brain has no reference experience that if she follows you down a dark street when her shift is over at 3am you aren’t going to rape and kill her. But if you were talking to a girl in like a nightclub, you could tell her “come with me let’s go dance” and when she leaves her friends to follow you to the dance floor and has fun, she gains a ref exp of that…then you say “whew I’m hot let’s get a drink” and she follows you through the crowd to the bar area and has fun as you chat, so she gains another ref exp of that. Then you say “hey I need some air it’s so hot in here” and take her to the patio, so she gains ANOTHER ref exp of that. Then when you leave the club together arm in arm, she gains another ref exp there. So when you say “hey let’s get some pizza I’m starving there’s a place right over there” she has all these ref experiences that following you doesn’t result in bad outcomes so her brain says “ya! go with this guy, every time we follow him we have good feels!!” So now you have Comfort/trust.

        If you’re going on a Day2 you should be dropping into convenience stores to grab gum and shit, like anything where you can change areas. Even inside the bar, take her over to the pool table, take her to a booth, take her up to the bar to do a shot, etc. Get her brain full of reference experiences that when she follows you she can trust you to give her good feels. Comfort.

        2) Social proof, like I mentioned earlier. If other girls are comfortable with you then her brain says “ok we can trust him”, or at the worst will MINIMALLY test you on it just to be totally reassured. But like, if you have a good rep or girls up on you, you can end up with Comfort before you even talk to eachother. This is why if you walk around opening sets with a pivot on your arm, sets blow open, because for that hot girl to be on your arm everyone assumes they can trust you because she does. This is also why a lot of Naturals get laid like crazy in their social circles or at their favorite bar etc…they’re riding Social Proof. So as we discussed earlier they already have A2 when they approach, PLUS because of their reputation they have Comfort, so literally before they even say Hello they have two huge aspects of seduction nailed…so how much work do they really have to do from there? Make some idle chit chat, isolate, and escalate. This is also why a lot of them choke when you try to make them do an actual cold approach in a bar they’ve never been in and don’t know anyone in…’cause now they don’t have A2 or Comfort and they’re not used to having to build those things from scratch and panic.

        3) Calibrated Kino. I’ll explain down below where I reply to walawala.

        4) Since I’m lazy about venue changing and these days I try to avoid using social proof (already did a lot of that the previous few years, and I’ll have to do it when I’m in my 40s so right now I’m trying to avoid getting too known ’cause I like the challenge) and don’t really do kino, I do most of my Comfort building through my Rapport. As we’ve established, those questions about her hopes and dreams and scariest fears and shit aren’t Comfort those are Rapport…so I don’t bother with them because I’m not real interested in what she wanted to be when she grows up and that doesn’t get me any closer to Comfort lol If I’m going to use Rapport, I like to be talking about deep sexual topics ’cause that’s more interesting to me and the sexual topics I talk about build Comfort.

        So like my Rapport might be something like “ya, I’m not good at the boyfriend shit at all lol I tried a couple serious relationships but I’m way too selfish. I like my free time and I don’t want to get into fights because I was too busy to reply to her txt about what her mom said to her, or have to explain that yes I slept on my buddy’s couch because I was drunk off my ass after the strippers and no I didn’t cheat etc. Too much hassle, you know? After that shit I hooked up with a girl who had a boyfriend who was a shitty lay and it was great, we just txted eachother when we were horny then we’d meet up and have our fun then go our separate ways. No drama, no relationship talks. I think I’m just destined to be the creepy old single guy in the bar lol”

        Now that’s a casual Rapport conversation I can have with some hot bartender chick where I have no social proof and can’t venue change her or kino her…but what exactly have I done with that blurb in terms of building Comfort for her to bang me that night? Well, I’ve shown that I CAN do LTRs, I’ve had a couple serious LTRs so clearly a couple girls trusted me enough to date me. The girls liked me so much that they demanded all my attention. I’m letting her know that I go get drunk at the rippers and crash on buddies’ couches irresponsibly which means that my buddies trust me, I’m a bit of a fun unpredictable bad boy, and the “no I didn’t cheat” means even under the scumbag I’m probably a pretty good guy a girl can trust. Then I show that a girl with a boyfriend trusted me SO MUCH that she hooked up with me regularly clearly having enough Comfort with me to trust me not to fuck her LTR up. Also I’m implying I’m a good lay with the bit about her boyfriend being a shitty lay lol And I’m laying the framework for what OUR relationship will be, just txting eachother when we’re horny etc. Sure I’m kind of a bum, but I’m a predictable bum and everything I do (the strippers, drunk on a buddy’s couch, banging a taken girl, etc.) is congruent to being the dude who’s plopped on a bar stool by himself flirting with the hot bartender on a slow Tuesday night…and because it’s all congruent “better the devil you know than the one you don’t”. She knows what to expect from me. I’m not sitting there promising her the world where she’ll be suspicious it’s some kind of trap or there’s another shoe to drop, I’m saying look I’m not perfect but I’m cool with that and you can trust me to NOT be perfect lol

        Look at all that shit I did with just a quick little minute long Rapport snippet, she knows banging me is something that’ll probably be a good experience with no negative consequences. She’ll need more than just this of course, but I have a bunch of this kind of stuff that I stack in there (I share sex stories with them a lot, like I’ll just go into “there was this ONE girl who…” and tell some fun DHV sexual story that again shows that sex with me is fun and consequence free and builds Comfort).

        Even a line like “I think people are too judgemental about sex…it’s a natural thing, it’s fun, most people who are monogamous are all cheating on eachother anyway. I say if it feels good, do it.” is saying “if you fuck me, you can trust me not to judge you, you won’t be branded a slut, I won’t ruin your reputation, I’ll keep things on the down-low, etc.” So she feels Comfort/trust. Toss in some laser eye-contact and general charm and why WOULDN’T she fuck me? There’s no downside in it for her as far as her brain can tell.

        Meanwhile what are other guys doing in Rapport? “So what did you want to be when you grow up? Oh a ballerina…that’s cool, have you seen Les Mis? Ya that’s a great ballet. Who’s your favorite ballet dancer?” zzzzzz…..or maybe “So when did you move here? Oh that’s cool, ya this is a great city. There’s this art gallery, have you been to it? You have to see this painting it’s beautiful bla bla” zzzzzzz….

        Like ya, that’s all good RAPPORT…but none of that is building Comfort/trust that she should come fuck you tonight lol If anything the art gallery one would just make her expect to go on a date with you (where you would end up getting Comfort naturally as you meet up and grab coffee and go to the gallery and go for a drink etc., this is why normal dudes still get laid through the traditional dating process, they just happen to be stumbling into Comfort a little slower than a seasoned PUA).

        Am I doing any super magic fuckin wizardry? No. I’m just running very efficient game…I know what switches I need to flip and I’m making sure the things I say and do are flipping those switches in as short a window as possible.

        There are probably other ways to get Comfort but I’ll leave that as an exercise for the reader lol

        @having a bad day

        “so, just to check…”

        I wouldn’t summarize it in terms of alpha/beta. Too limiting to view it through those terms.

        @walawala
        “So is building comfort the reason I’ve been able to bang girls who in effect no very little about me?”

        Ya. In your social circle stuff you’re getting Comfort that way, and in your normal dates you are building Comfort through whatever it is you do on those dates.

        “Can you use kino to build comfort?”

        Actually ya, but to get nuanced: calibrated Kino would build Comfort. Because what is Comfort? It’s the trust that nothing bad will happen to her if she goes home with you to fuck. How would Kino demonstrate that? Well if you touch her, and she stiffens up because she’s a bit nervous, and you BACK OFF as you’re supposed to, to warm her up before you try it again, you’re showing solid calibration to her comfort level. That’s telling her “look, I’m into you, but I can sense when you’re not comfortable and you don’t even have to tell me when I’ve crossed a line because not only will I sense that I’ve crossed a line but I have the self-restraint and abundance mentality with sex to back off and not make a big scene about it and just joke around with you and make sure you’re comfortable before I try again.” So her brain extrapolates “ok if I go home with this guy and I change my mind or I’m not into it or for we’re going at it but he’s trying to stick it in my bum and I don’t want to do that, he’s demonstrated that he’ll sense that and back off and make sure I’m comfortable” and you build Comfort.

        And if your Kino is super slick and never makes her uncomfortable because it’s perfectly calibrated that tells her that you know what you’re doing and won’t make her feel discomfort.

        Compare that to the guy who’s Kino’ing aggressively or awkardly and doesn’t register her discomfort and leaves his hand in places she isn’t comfortable with for longer than she’d like and causes a scene about “why are you such a prude, whatever, don’t be so frigid jeeze” etc. and she has to squirm away and feels icky etc. She’s going to not just not have Comfort but have FEAR about hooking up with that guy because he clearly can’t be trusted to have any kind of self control or restraint or sense of what she’s feeling or is comfortable with.

        @Junior @kant
        “Awesome breakdown, thanks for putting that up.”

        Quit frankly I’m amazed anyone understood that mess lol I was expecting a bunch of “wtf are you talkin about YaReally??” replies. Glad it makes sense…it’s really a nuanced concept that like, isn’t going to make much of a difference for most guys just running spam approach high energy game, but for the guys looking to tighten every screw on their race car, this is the nuanced shit that does it.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 9:13 pm YaReally

        Another fucking HUGE response in mod lol Explaining different ways to get Comfort and an example of my style of getting it.

        Approve dat shit CH! Or do I have to build more Comfort with you? ❤ ❤ lol

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      • on April 2, 2015 at 3:42 am Lumpy

        YaR, thanks for the comfort writeup, whenever it’s approved.

        In one of RSD Todd’s recent videos he gets asked a question, “my game’s pretty good, why am I not getting laid?” He replies that, stripped down to its bare essence, game is getting compliance and not necessarily making the girls laugh and giggle. If the girls come with you after you make them laugh, sure it’s game. If the girls are having fun, but not going to budge, then what you’re doing is not game. Todd then talks about polarization and getting investment, but this distinction of “does it get me compliance” directly applies to Rapport vs Comfort.

        Not that Rapport doesn’t have it’s uses, but I think Rapport is something that feels like game, but isn’t actually game when it comes to quick lays.

        I’m looking forward to the writeup cuz I’m hitting exactly the same sticking point as Sentient: I can often get rapport going really well in a short period of time and do get pulls, but also I keep running into this situation… So looking back here on these last posts, it seems like while Rapport is good, and kino is usually good as well btw, Comfort is still lacking.

        The typical set in a bar with Comfort issues for me: Go in and hook, flirt and chat with the friends for a sec, turn the girl around for microisolation. I’ll start getting good eyes from her, she’ll be ok with me being physically aggressive in a calibrated way and no issue with SOI or future projecting sex. Let’s get them riding aboard Lumpy’s leadership on the fuck train! About 50% I just grab their hand maybe 3-5 min into the conversation and drag them to the bar, no problem. The rest seem glued to the spot, even if I try to verbally provide rationalizations: “It smells like farts over here, let’s go to the bar.” “That guy looks cool, let’s see if he and your friend would like each other.” blah blah… I’ve also tried sussing out boyfriends and typically the target girl is out looking to get banged with no bf, or no bf that’s an issue at least. I can get a phone number, but these numbers are complete flakes and rarely respond. Just the lack of compliance when Rapport is good totally baffles me.

        Another date I went on a couple weeks ago perfectly illustrates Comfort vs Rapport. Girl I met on okcupid was out of a 7 year relationship and was pretty fucking nervous. Turns out we worked on the same farm in the middle of India–crazy small world! That came out like 3 minutes into the date and I kissed her immediately, and she kissed right back. Massive rapport instantaneously. Only real spot where I overstepped calibration was when we were in a corner of the bar and I pulled her pants aside to look at her panties. I do it on pretty much every first date (“just wanted to see what kind of date you think this is” or some shit)—she really didn’t like that though. Hour and a half later the vibe was feeling good, I tried to walk her two blocks to my apartment with a bunch of cool shit to show her. She wouldn’t go near my apartment. We went onto the roof of the a building nearby with a great view I have access to, and we made out a bit. She was nervous and was dropping heavy hints about early work so I took her back to her car. Figured another date would do it. She replied to my “get home safe” text enthusiastically, but no response to later (albeit lame) texts. So yeah, insane rapport doesn’t mean she’s comfortable enough to come home with you. -_-

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      • on April 2, 2015 at 9:21 am Captain Obvious

        > “Captain Obvious might have aspergers” Captain Obvious isn’t the one who needed the algorithm or its comfort subroutine for faking emotions. The more I read of you guys, the more you strike me as being both spergs and psychopaths. If the algorithm got in the hands of really dangerous spergish psychopaths, like F*ckerberg and Page and Brin and Ellison, then there’s no end to the damage which they could do. Epstein was probably already using similar techniques when he assembled his “Eyes Wide Shut” child s3x-sl@ve empire. And we know that Ariely, Thaler, Sunstein, and Kahneman have been using similar techniques in the last several elections.

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      • on April 2, 2015 at 10:07 am YaReally

        Captain Obvious

        Congratulations! You now officially sound exactly like a Jezebel article lol I’m sure you’d be very at home in their comment section maybe you’d be more comfortable hanging out there instead of on a game blog?

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      • on April 2, 2015 at 11:31 am theasdgamer

        “a rockstar’s entire fanbase/audience is in A2 before he even notices them”

        I think that dancing very well can have a similar effect. 1. Do cool moves with a woman who can follow. 2. Develop a strong emotional connection with a woman and lead her well. You want her lasering you and smiling and her smile broadening when you smile back. You need to laser her a bit, too. Chick crack for the audience.

        Would explain why at 1 a.m. a 20-something blonde whom I had just met cupped a cheek and fingered my crack while we danced. She had observed the DHVs given off while I danced with other women. She was in A2.

        Thx

        Gamer

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      • on April 2, 2015 at 11:40 am theasdgamer

        Someone might think that when a strange chick cups a buttcheek on the dance floor that they are into foreplay, but that’s a mistake. It’s a blatant IOI is all. Chicks don’t get the flow.

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      • on April 2, 2015 at 3:58 pm Captain Obvious

        YR, maybe I’m giving you too much credit – maybe it’s all just flying right over your head. By several echelons of standard deviation.

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      • on April 3, 2015 at 5:19 am Culum Struan

        @Junior – great isn’t it? The conversation I mean. That’s why I like hanging out in these comments. Despite the various loonies, the quality of the conversation and insight into into human interaction and game, combined with the community of a bunch of supportive guys, is unmatched. I’m in my city’s local lair forum, used to be on the old Mystery Method private forum for guys who attended a live course and others, but this is the best bar none.

        As for your date – that sounds pretty much like an exact copy of a date I had a couple years ago, except I managed to makeout with her and STILL got the LJBF speech at the end of the evening (now when I go for the kiss, I swear I hear Kant in my head saying “makeouts don’t mean shit” lol).

        My point being – it sounds to me more like a lack of attraction/escalation, not a failure to build comfort in your case. I don’t actually understand how you can fail to sexualize if you used the questions game (NOTE for readers: this is *different* from the New York Times 36 questions to fall in love). I suggest you use the same questions from PUAZone atleast for the first round. If you post a more detailed FR, we can try to figure out what went wrong (like I can go back to my notes of my 2 year old date and I can see exactly what went wrong – she actually liked me, but I messed up the escalation and sexualizing in a way I never would now).

        PS – Some comments from last week are still filtering through on various threads – saw a comment from you on an old thread about grey hairs/silver fox look. I have a lot of grey hair – way more than most 35 year olds – but it has made zero difference. Sometimes it gets commented on (more by friends than dates), but my face is still pretty unlined and I live pretty clean and women don’t seem to care.

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      • on April 3, 2015 at 11:39 am YaReally

        @Culum
        “PS – Some comments from last week are still filtering through on various threads”

        Maybe there’s a chance for my post on building Comfort in this thread then. CH CH CH CH CH APPPROOOOOOVVVVVEEEEEEEEEE lol Tune in next week or something, ’cause it’s a good post that answers a bunch of questions people had about my first info dump on Comfort/Rapport.

        “– saw a comment from you on an old thread about grey hairs/silver fox look. I have a lot of grey hair – way more than most 35 year olds – but it has made zero difference. Sometimes it gets commented on (more by friends than dates), but my face is still pretty unlined and I live pretty clean and women don’t seem to care.”

        Shit I’m lookin forward to having grey hair, it would be badass. Girls love it these days. I tell my hairdresser to let me know if I’m balding or greying. If I start balding I’ll shave it off, if I start greying I’ll be like fuck ya distinguished older man.

        it’s funny ’cause in the 80s it was all about “Just For Men” hair dye shit, like cover those grey hairs men. Now that Clooney, Liam Neeson, Craig Ferguson, those “most interesting man in the world” commercials etc. are all hot older dudes to women, grey hair is sexy as fuck to girls and you don’t see many ads for men’s hair dye anymore.

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      • on April 3, 2015 at 11:22 pm Junior

        @Culum / YaReally

        Appreciate the advice hey, & taking the time to offer your help. Honestly, it’s been a major pillar in changing my life given my friends are all married up, & has helped move me away from probably ending up being an incel with a complete vacuum of a social life, or worse. How the fuck could I possibly contribute anything of value to my community in that state of mind? The positivity that you get here from the commenters that actually get out in the field is unreal. Has got me actually taking action for a start, & hugely changed the way I interact with people with a much more positive intent at it’s core. It’s one of the few places with a handful of reg commenters that want to give back to the community & actually give you a real perspective of how long the process can take to start to see positive change. I’m still shaking my head at the fact I got my first SDL recently. Like, that shit just wasn’t supposed to be for me, it was supposed to be for other guys better looking & more successful than me. I’ve gone out solo to the club countless times & got no ‘notches’, makeouts or even numbers to show for it, but meanwhile I can see now that my brain has been slowly changing, like maybe only tiny half-percent changes, but they add up to little wins. On nights when I feel like I haven’t achieved much, I think back on how I actually had a fun night, & I’m like, “wait, I opened like 6 sets that scared the shit out of me, who the fuck else was doing that without a drop of alcohol to prop them up?! I would never have left the house alone to go open a single complete stranger in my previous life, out on my own, sober lol”. Got a number from a solid 8 in shiny tights a couple days ago during the day – exchanged a few texts then she stopped responding but I’m still cheering like a teenager. Like, this is my life now, & I’m just learning lol, imagine what a few years will be like, visiting my married friends with their fat wives doling them out annual handjobs lol.

        Re- the day 2 – you’re spot on, there was a lack of attraction & also comfort in that while there was some kino, I didn’t move her or escalate further. I had also let a stressful mindset from work get the better of me & my vibe was flat as a tack. When this happens, my voice literally changes & I can’t find that deep resonance of confidence that I get after a night of socializing. This is why for me just being out & opening strangers is so important, as the positive changes I see in my voice, mindset & outlook literally last for days afterwards.Also my story telling is pretty shit, & is something I’ve committed to working on as this has finally convinced me it needs work. Did a toastmasters course a few months back & got solid compliments on my public speaking from that, so evidently I’m not a total retard lol. When I say I tried the question game, I could only remember a few questions, & given the compounding of a lack of attraction, feeling shit, vibe & voice being stifled, just didn’t have the momentum & confidence to try out sexual questions. It’ll come. Have you got any tricks to memorizing them in person?

        On all things grey hair, appreciate the comments from both you & the good Dr Really – the more I take action the more I understand the importance of belief, momentum & frame over cosmetics.

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      • on April 5, 2015 at 2:46 am Junior

        @Culum / YaReally

        Appreciate the advice & taking the time to offer your help hey. Honestly, it’s been a major pillar in changing my life given my friends are all married up, & has helped move me away from probably ending up being an incel with a complete vacuum of a social life, or worse. How the fuck could I possibly contribute anything of value to my community in that state of mind? The positivity that you get here from the commenters that actually get out in the field is unreal. Has hugely changed the way I interact with people with a much more positive intent at it’s core.

        Re- the day 2 – you’re spot on, there was a lack of attraction, comfort & escalation… you know, all the key elements lol. I had let a stressful mindset from work get the better of me & my vibe was flat as a tack. When this happens, my voice literally changes & I can’t find that deep resonance of confidence that I get after a night of socializing, which then affects my cadence & probably a whole bunch of other 1% subtleties. This is why for me just being out is so important, as the positive changes I see in my voice, mindset & outlook literally last for days afterwards. When I say I tried the question game, on reflection I didn’t ask that many as I could only remember a few questions, & given the compounding of a lack of attraction, feeling shit, vibe & voice being stifled, just didn’t have the momentum & confidence to try out sexual questions. It’ll come. Have you got any tricks to memorizing them in person?

        On all things grey hair, appreciate the comments from both you & the good Dr Really. Inspiring & solid as always.

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      • on April 6, 2015 at 10:56 am Sentient

        Bump bump to the m o d s

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      • on April 7, 2015 at 12:37 am Junior

        whooooops… didn’t think either of my comments got through, didn’t tell me they were in mod either. Ah well at least they didn’t get eaten up

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      • on April 7, 2015 at 8:26 am Sentient

        @Yareally – some exceptional and thought provoking stuff. I will need to ruminate on this a bit. will post questions in a more current thread.

        Thanks for the input.

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  10. on March 31, 2015 at 1:09 pm anon

    From twitter: https://imgur.com/a/QEyuD/noscript.

    CH, yes, fat acceptance sucks, but the key takeaway from this one of the main points covered here–again, the difference between men and women. Honor and the ability to love (men) vs. no honor or sense of duty, and the ability to love only “opportunistically.” Rollo as explained this FACT very well over at Rational Male.

    Look at this poor guy!!! His whale wife is over 300 pounds!!! and outweighs him by 110 pounds!!!! They have kids. And what do you notice? He has not divorced her YET. He might, eventually, because a 320 pound fattie who sleeps all day is an extreme case–and a terrible example for his children.

    But after all his suffering, his sexless life, as he describes — he’s not divorced YET.

    Contrast the situation when women insist on a divorce, as is covered here a lot. Even if there are very young kids, the woman will destroy a family and the lives those kids were supposed to have just because of her “feelings” and unhappiness at the SLIGHTEST drop in the husband’s performance (being beta). The husband can be gainfully employed, making enough that the family has a roof over its head and food, even money for fun, the husband can go to the gym and weigh 170 or generally not be an obese wreck like the woman in the twitter link is, a great, loving father, not violent.

    Woman not haaaappy? Bam – divorce!!! Kids be damned!!!

    Women have no honor and can only attempt to mimic it, as GBFM says.

    Thank you for that twitter link. The story of the 320 pound obese fattie wife (not an ex-wife) is yet another way to illustrate the difference between men and women PSYCHOLOGICALLY and biologically.

    If the husband slobbed himself out even half as much as this woman, she’d have divorced him in an instant.

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    • on April 1, 2015 at 1:22 pm Sentient

      So what? women are waaaaaaaaaay waaaaaaaaay more naturally red pill with guys. And sadly way more Alpha. The problem isn’t that a woman would have ditched a fat slob of a husband but that a timid nice guy beta doesn’t have the will and testicular fortitude to CONFRONT his wife and DEMAND she change because he CAN”T face the “what the fuck do I do now” when she DOESN”T COMPLY…

      Beta gonna beta and all. This is the biggest reason women initiate more divorces. Guys will go a loooooong time being unhappy because they are to afraid to rock the boat.

      You know what an Alpha guy would do? He would ditch her for a younger model. show me a guy who INITIATED his divorce and 9 out of 10 times that guy is gonna be pretty solidly alpha.

      Kids at home – here is something to write down You get the marriage you are willing to live with.

      This is the biggest problem with guys over at MMSL BTW, the vast majority of guys who don’t progress will never put an ultimatum to their wife, she does X by Y date or they start papers… so they live with the shitty situation.

      FWIW – these guys usually play the same strategy in work settings, and are stuck in shitty jobs they are not happy with but are too afraid to make changes that may hurt in the short term.

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  11. on March 31, 2015 at 1:25 pm Lumpy

    Seeing windows and stepping through them without fanfare is the way to go. My brother got this the other day: http://imgur.com/ossBagL

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  12. on March 31, 2015 at 1:43 pm rabbit

    C2 – This phase may last over the course of several dates.

    really? several dates? if she’s not pulling you into the bedroom at the end of the first date you goofed somewhere. tingles always override the “i’m not that kind of girl”.

    dhv and she will want to get you hooked on her goodies asap.

    heavy making out? I guess. As long as she’s not kissing my face. we’re not sixth graders in a closet.

    S1 – Foreplay

    Foreplay is way more than just the physical and when the energy is good it starts right away. This is why wit and cleverness are so important. Everything you say and do should have a sexual subtext. Spitting contextually relevant double entendres on the fly demonstrates serious mental fitness.

    If she’s digging it she will escalate from subtext to blatant (because you are invariably more clever than her and she can’t keep up without going overt). Then you call her out as a perv and continue plowing ahead.

    It’s been argued that this stage can sometimes be more fun for her than the actual sex act especially if it is drawn out. She loves the tension and the tingles.

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  13. on March 31, 2015 at 1:52 pm rand-o

    Unfortunately I don’t have the chops for witty openers. Or witty middles to keep the conversation flowing. I’m a smart guy but I stare at code all day and don’t get much vocal practice. Any tips on improving my verbal fitness and social alacrity?

    [CH: ya know, you can reframe your soulkilling life into something sexy and witty.
    GIRL: what do you do, rand-o?
    RAND-O: i stare at code all day until i turn into a robot.
    GIRL: heehee
    RAND-O: my battery’s about to die. say something interesting to recharge it.]

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 2:10 pm Kate Minter

      Pick yourself up in the mirror. Write code jokes. Sing. Talk to everyone you see.

      “Gurrrrl, you make me want to d.c. al coda. How about you and me hit the escape button.”

      In other words, have fun 🙂

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 2:24 pm GasButtox

        There was a woman named Kate,
        Too much food, she ate,
        She met a man in his winter,
        His last name was Minter,
        Kate then proceeded to gain weight.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 4:42 am Kate Minter

        My husband, he likes the desserts.
        Yes, its true of my skirts.
        I’ve gone up to a four from a size two,
        but he likes it,
        so what’s it to you?

        As you can see from the picture above,
        that tonnage was put on with love.
        And who am I to disagree
        with one who is smarter than me?

        He says he likes watching me eat.
        I want to still see my feet.
        So, when a nice meal we enjoy,
        my gym membership I employ,
        its a system that cannot be beat.

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 2:26 pm themanofmystery2

      My recommendation is to date more intelligent chicks, who will pick up on your jokes. I agree with CH’s witty ripostes. Or, for example, when you’re ready to leave, write this on your napkin:

      IF you want to come to my place for drinks right now
      THEN pat your head and rub your belly at the same time
      ELSE buy me a beer

      and smirk directly at her until she looks up and smiles and shakes her head at the fact that you just broke human interaction down to an IF THEN ELSE circuit in a completely silly way.

      Game over.

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 7:30 pm Sentient

      If your serious – read fiction out loud to yourself. Practice inflection, pausing, drama. when you are going out, turn on talk radio before hand and repeat whatever they say, just get used to using your voice, inflecting etc.

      If you are super serious, join Toastmaster’s or an improv workshop.

      You just need to bump up what you have, great is the enemy of good and all…

      But a beta just gonna complain and shit. Alpha gonna fix it. Your choice.

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    • on April 1, 2015 at 7:29 pm KP

      “talk to everyone you see”

      THIS. I am by no means a shy person, but having hung out here for a while and taking this part of the lesson to heart, all I can say is Hell Yeah!

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    • on April 2, 2015 at 6:16 am Pyjama Wearing Ninja

      The problem is that staring at screens all day instead of talking to people makes it hard for you to get into a groove. Start talking to people routinely. When you go shop, try to say something funny to someone there or do something that will amuse someone.

      This is the case with me. If I have a hermit-like week when I don’t talk to people much, it’s difficult to get going. When I have active weeks when I talk to a couple of people a day, it gets progressively easier. I find being around technology only for extended periods of time to be quite soul crushing because of this.

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  14. on March 31, 2015 at 2:21 pm themanofmystery2

    Game haters, know this: EVERYONE can benefit from game, even apex alphas. Naturally, I’m a “moderate natural alpha,” which you can define however you want. Never had trouble getting laid at all.

    Then, I discovered game about 5 years ago. I went from “getting interest/dates/sex from pretty girls is easy” to “holy fuck, I broke the universe” status.

    It is one. hundred. percent. due to game. I take ZERO credit besides implementation of a peer-reviewed, proven-to-work paradigm and layering it on top of my natural charms & charisma.

    I haven’t changed a thing about myself besides perhaps my income level, which I don’t make immediately apparent (for obvious reasons, Gold digging whores)…and my knowledge of the inherent natures of women.

    The point is not to brag. The point is, no matter where you currently fall on the ladder, game WILL improve both your sex life and your relationships with women in general. Don’t hate, ejaculate!

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 3:22 pm mendozatorres

      This. I had already broken out of my shell when I came to understand game and the whole red-pill concept and that’s given me greater incentive to continually improve myself, which others have oft stated, that’s the heart of game: striving to be the best YOU that you can become.

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 6:36 pm Sentient

      At its core, Game is psychological dominance to a predetermined end state. when is that ever a bad thing? Like when can you have too much of this or be too good at it?

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 6:44 am Captain Obvious

        When it starts to eat away at your soul. When it takes you to a very Dark place. When you wander so deep into the Shadows that you never reemerge.

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    • on April 1, 2015 at 7:24 am BuenaVista

      Same experience here, man of mystery.

      I was married to a NYC model, had no trouble post-marriage getting action, but it was generally slow (third date rule, e.g.), often confusing (didn’t recognize who was good and not good for me), and it interfered with work. And my naivete led to a pathologically destructive second marriage.

      (Incidentally, I was an intelligence software ceo for 20 years, and “just be yourself” does not make one a good salesman of high-value products, either. All forms of communication, selling, and closing can be improved, while not sacrificing one’s personal stamp or authenticity.)

      2.5 years ago, I started practicing and studying red pill. The sexual roof blew off and I started retreating to my house in the deep, deep country just to get shit done. (I’m a writer now.)

      Last night, in 15 minutes, I had the barmaid juggling her tits and I closed on her number and her willingness to be my ‘housekeeper.’ This was in front of 20 men in a dive bar on the upper midwestern prairie. We know where that is going. Three years ago I would have ‘just been myself’ and offered her slow and laconic, ‘respectful’ conversation. The woman in question is 30 years younger than I am. Also, I got blown up last year (20 fractures, new facial scars), lost way too much weight. Doesn’t seem to matter.

      I’m heading back to DC for a spell, and have four dates the first week with four women I haven’t seen since my hospital excursion. I don’t even have a cellphone anymore; each was set up in email or iMessage. I’m the same guy I always was, but my interactions are managed differently owing to Game or red pill, whatever you want to call it, and the urgency with which women respond is radically different.

      So to Captain Obvious: one, I like women very much; two, they like me more now; three, I’m able to communicate interest and gauge the reciprocal in a far superior manner. There’s no such thing as a ‘natural’ achieving optimal results in the big leagues. I benefit greatly from blogs such as this one because the recidivist blue pill habits are strong.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 5:05 pm Arbiter

        Well said, Buena Vista, and good to hear about your success. Like man of mystery says, game helps a lot, and I always approve of those who have a humble attitude to this. Too many try to brag about how they “don’t need game”. Saying “just be yourself” is a way to brag about how they are simply perfect without advice. Nonsense – very few are naturals when it comes to game. Or anything else.

        If it was all about “just being yourself” then all men would score easily, since they are all “themselves”. Then no one would have any reason to ask for advice. No one would go without sex or relationships.

        But since “just being yourself” – in other words, not changing, not improving, not adapting to what you see in the field – is the default setting, the field is saturated with that. What happens when millions of people use the same method? Inflation. Women have seen it countless times before. Therefore those with superior methods have the upper hand.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 7:23 pm BuenaVista

        It would be great to know why random posts by the same guy who has posted for two years are suspended for six hours. And why other posts by the same guy are not. I don’t care if you don’t want me to post. I do care that you post my shit six hours after I write it, sometimes, but not other times. So WTF is the algorithm?

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 7:33 pm KP

        What, no cell phone? How do you manage Uber then???

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      • on April 2, 2015 at 9:04 am Captain Obvious

        > “I had the barmaid juggling her tits and I closed on her number and her willingness to be my ‘housekeeper’… I’m heading back to DC for a spell, and have four dates the first week with four women…” Congratulations. The algorithm works. You’ve assembled your own personal cock-riding carousel harem. My question: Now what? Do you care at all about any of these five human beings, or will you be perfectly happy to watch all five of them eventually outgrow their usefulness, be kicked off the carousel, and become childless barren old cat-lady spinsters?

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  15. on March 31, 2015 at 2:38 pm martin

    so a lot of people are talking about being witty with women that express interest but i am curious what this man did to get women interested in him so they express these nonverbal signals in the first place. instead of calling that a cold approach, maybe call it a lukewarm approach if she showed some sign of interest.

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 3:53 pm Captain Obvious

      What he did NOT do: 1) Sigh. 2) Stare down at his shoes. 3) Slouch his shoulders. 4) Shy away from making eye contact. 5) Mumble when he spoke. 6) Shuffle instead of walking with a spring in his step. 7) Stick his hands meekly in his pockets. 8) Wear anything even remotely gay like a Susan G Komen pink ribbon. 9) Have FUPA or Manboobs pushing out of his T-shirt. 10) Have a double chin. 11) Allow her to overhear him engaging in a boring pedestrian conversation rather than pushing the envelope and saying really funny shiznat.

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    • on March 31, 2015 at 4:59 pm martin

      there was a pattern i noticed, i wanted to see if it was all in my head or not. if i mentioned it, then it would bias opinions.

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:07 pm Captain Obvious

        m, it’s an aura, a vibe, an ethos, and she can smell it on you from across the room. Don’t sigh. Don’t slouch. Don’t put your head down or your hands in your pockets. Have chiseled pecs and a square chin rather than manboobs and a double chin. Enjoy life. Develop a twinkle in your eye and a spring in your step. Or go Dark, and be the tall handsome stranger – the Man of Mystery – whom she can never quite corner at the party. Make her chase you. But given whichever persona you choose to present to her, don’t be the Nice Guy who always Finishes Last. And don’t be BORING!

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      • on March 31, 2015 at 6:29 pm Captain Obvious

        m, reply in mod, check back in 48 hours.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 4:57 pm Arbiter

        Good description there, Captain Obvious.

        Now, a lot of people mention James Bond. Well, not moving and not showing emotions is easy. But there is a reason ONLY James Bond is mentioned, because only he fits this description, not any other movie character. Are all the other personalities displayed in movies unfit for catching women? I see a lot more personalities leaning toward Clark Gable, to name one.

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      • on April 1, 2015 at 6:49 pm StAugustine

        Humphrey Bogart.

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      • on April 2, 2015 at 1:26 am Ronin

        @Arbiter: Derek Flint

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  16. on March 31, 2015 at 2:49 pm itsjx

    Reblogged this on XWorkx.

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  17. on March 31, 2015 at 8:55 pm PermanentGuest

    Do these anti-“try-hard”ers stand inert, like mute statutes, waiting for girls to alight on them like pigeons? Or are they huge pussies who need the crutch of mommy or their social circles to set them up on dates?

    “Try-hard” is not an excuse for inaction.

    Quite the contrary: these men should ditch “try-hard” for action. The guys I chide in this category are the ones desperately digging for something witty and emailing for advice at a coffeeshop, when instead they should ball up and take action.

    I agree openers should be fun. The fun starts with you. You are thinking, “How much fun can I have with this girl?” Instead, you’re thinking “how can I get this girl to laugh so she can be attracted to me?” Those of you who can’t tell the difference will be exposed by her relative reaction to you.

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    • on April 1, 2015 at 4:54 pm Arbiter

      Discussing details costs nothing and doesn’t take long. So what if someone sends an email asking about this particular situation? It doesn’t mean that he takes any less action.

      We can’t only discuss the definitions of alpha and beta and declare everything else too detailed.

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  18. on April 1, 2015 at 3:33 am A Test Of Your Game Update: T-Ball Pickup | Tru...

    […] In yesterday’s “A Test of Your Game” post, many commenters offered suggestions to the reader who asked how to open a girl in a coffee shop who had already expressed her interest with lingering glances and thrust butt in his pointed vicinity.  […]

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  19. on April 1, 2015 at 6:19 am Emilio

    THis post brought me to laught explosion and later to tears.

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  20. on April 1, 2015 at 5:14 pm Arbiter

    There is a guy who travels a lot in South America who had a game blog. One thing he wrote stuck with me: “Cool and aloof is one of those things that sound great in theory but rarely work in reality”.

    Keyboard jockeys always attack any practical advice, any discussion of specifics. That is their way to “win” threads, by declaring how they don’t need any of that, they only need to “be alpha”. The few who can describe that further will talk about James Bond and “cool and aloof”. Always James Bond, since no other movie character really fits the description. Odd how all the other examples are forgotten. NOT odd how the real-life examples are forgotten, because keyboard jockeys have no experience of the real-life dating scene.

    Those who are good at pickup in real life never seek to keep their faces paralyzed. They smile and laugh and are cheerful together with friends and dates. They have lively conversations and show interest. That does not mean they are “weak” or “try too hard”.

    Sure, “cool and aloof” has its place, especially for beginners who try to placate women too much. But its use is way, way less than what KBJs make it out to be. But KBJs have nothing else. They have no real-life experiences, they have little or no social life, so they will have no nuance. All they are interested in is “winning” the thread by declaring themselves the most “alpha”. In this they are like feminists, or various political blowhards in other forums – no experience means no nuance, only trying to “win” by being the biggest upholder of the doctrine. A holier-than-thou routine.

    KBJs therefore suffocate real-life discussion. What do you think the average reader thinks when he sees these puffed-up asses blaring out their holier-than-thou routine at anyone who talks about his real-life experiences, if the story brought up is less than perfect? The average reader will decide he won’t post about his experiences. KBJs are a poison to a forum and have nothing to do with the manosphere, only exploiting it to have an audience as they have nothing else.

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    • on April 3, 2015 at 12:40 pm Bel Riose

      This describes Matt King perfectly.

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  21. on April 3, 2015 at 10:19 am comeatmebro

    someone please pick up captain obvious’s gf / wife / realdoll so he can off himself already. haven’t seen so much fear in someone’s writing since i tried reading elliot rodger’s manifesto.

    so fucking what if some girls get pumped and dumped on some guys’ way of reaching his peak? do you, oh self righteous saint, also go around badgering girls about their overt inhuman use of betas to achieve whatever goals they might strive towards?

    how can you sleep at night knowing human beings USE other human beings for their own purposes?

    game mostly opened the eyes of the ones that were being used before. sure some welloff guys discovered game and refined their “inhuman” usage of others but that’s rarer than the former.

    also I find it funny that people find it “inhuman” to use other people, like fuck, that’s a defining trait of the human species, always one-upping others at the expense of whoever, check out some history. whether you find it moral or not is irrelevant.

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  22. on April 11, 2015 at 12:13 pm Jay

    Sit down next to her. Open your laptop to your broker’s site. Ask her “How would I be better off? Making $500 in the next 20 minutes, or getting to know you?”

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