Some unlearned folk think girls can only be picked up in bars or nightclubs, or that those two venues are the bread and butter of advanced cadding practitioners. They have no comprehension of the ease with which girls can be approached and courted in just about every conceivable situation outside bars and nightclubs. Every real world situation offers the awakened man who is aware of his surroundings an opportunity to say something charming that could spark and expand a conversation with a girl inside his phonic sphere.
Bus stop: “I know this bus driver. Here’s a tip: Flash some leg if you want a free ride. Works for me.”
Waiting in line for roller coaster: “If I throw up on you when we’re upside-down, don’t take it personally. It’s not you, it’s me.”
Doctor’s office: “I’m here for my bloodletting.”
Gym: “Great form!…. for a girl.”
Liquor store: “My AA group is throwing a party. I’m in charge of supplies.”
Car dealership: “I don’t want the rust protection. That’s like getting a prenup. Takes all the romance out of it, doncha think?”
Running to girl on sidewalk: “Holy crap, you walk fast. How am I supposed to woo your back?”
Dollar store, admiring $2 bauble: “It’s the thought that counts, right?”
Bowling alley: “Two strikes in a row! I need groupies. You in?”
Fly-fishing: “I’m trying to catch a mermaid. It’s time to settle down.”
Rock climbing: “Try not to stare at my butt when I’m up there. I’m self-conscious.”
At a scenic overlook: “You come here often?”
Staring side-by-side at a famously nightmarish painting in a museum: “I bet this guy got all the ladies.”
Hospital, checking in: “I have a broken heart.”
April Fool’s Day: [leaning over her cubicle] “I’ve gotta get this off my chest. Been holding it in too long. I am deeply, deeply, deeply in love with you. Always have been.” [wait a beat, point at her calendar, AN SMIRK]
Apple store Genius Bar: “Tim Cook is a fairy who does business with Saudi Arabia, a nation that beheads homosexuals, and employs Chinese child slave labor to snap the backs on iPhones. Gimme your number.”
I will neither confirm nor deny if I have used any of these lines in my own life to hit on cutie patootie pies (aka slender, 17-23 BMI, 0.65-0.75 waist-to-hip ratio, under-30 women).
The point of this post isn’t to memorize these lines. The lesson is this: Be situationally aware and in the moment. Keep your senses sharp, like a hunter surveying the veldt for prey, and exploit every chance that the banalities of life throw at you to capture the curiosity, and hearts, of cute girls gliding in and out of your world. There is much more opportunity for sexual and romantic gratification than you think you know. You’ve just gotta… bustamove.
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also be situationally aware enough to exploit the attraction you create when you’re out and about. if you’re the type of person (like me) that has to remember to pick up, you are a hair’s breath away from giving up with an ‘ah just kidding around’ at any moment. before you do– keep your poker face a few seconds longer than is comfortable and be aware you really can turn it into something if you don’t reveal your beta-internals. if it’s potentially on, she’ll signal some kind of ioi
i closed it eventually, but i did an approximation of the cubicle above, and she asked if i was kidding. my ah shucks demeanor kept me out of her bed a month rebuilding what i had built in 5 seconds, had i just kept pushing like i felt entitled
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> “if you’re the type of person (like me) that has to remember to pick up” FORCE yourself to say hello to [and throw a little banter at] every chick you cross paths with. On the sidewalk. At the grocery store checkout. In line at the coffee shop. In the gym or at the swimming pool. Even if you’re in a lousy mood, FORCE yourself to blurt out something.
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“keep your poker face a few seconds longer than is comfortable and be aware you really can turn it into something if you don’t reveal your beta-internals”
great tip
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Been browsing here for a few months now. Wish I’d have learned this stuff 30 years ago.
Tried some stuff on a couple of women coworkers, making some inroads. One in particular is a tough one, early 40’s, cute, and smart. Did a major push-pull on her, wow! itz like turning a key and entering the door! Two weeks ago I pissed her off so bad her glares at me would have killed me many times over. Now the flirts are getting pretty intense, soon…
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keep pushing keep practicing and then aim higher brother. unless you’re over 60 shoot for under 40. no reason you can’t
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/dating-market-value-test-for-women/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/showbiz/567267/Rowan-Atkinson-girlfriend-Louise-Ford-lunch-date
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Nice. I always like to hear new field reports like this.
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Don’t shit where you eat
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[…] By CH […]
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To a 24 year old 9 at a concert that just ended:
Me: (pick dirty hat off ground) This your hat?
Two hours later, she was riding in my truck with me and my buddies on a weekend camping road trip to Moab, Utah. She dumped the guy that bought her ticket to get into the concert/festival.
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I often use something similar. If I see a shitty-looking abandoned backpack that belongs to a homeless dude I’ll say, “That yours?” “No!” “Oh… It kinda goes with your outfit.”
I say this completely deadpan. Maybe just a glint of mischievousness in my eye. (If you laugh at your own joke it will kill the vibe. Let it hang there, like you might be serious) Then segue into a conversation about fashion or whatever.
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Beautiful.
Then segue into a conversation about fashion or whatever.
Dumping on hipsters always gets them laughing.
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Lolzlolzozoz
http://humanitariansoftinder.com
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So nice of all those African kids to be helping all those SJWs. I nearly wept.
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Dude those pictures make me sick. I almost feel bad for those kids, being used as props to help some urban yuppie douche score a date…makes you ill how blatantly lame these dudes are. I wonder how many SWPL girls are fooled?
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Dude , the most sickening part is all the pretty blondes and redheads (there are many) who literally should have been breastfeeding their own white baby, at home, the moment the photo was shot. What’s extra sad is that at age 22 or even 26 they would laugh indignantly at any such suggestion.
“End structural racism “. Lolzlolzlolz.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/02/living/cnnheroes-bernstein/index.html
The free aid to attempt to help these r-selected people never ends.
The vast majority of white kids also grow up with no music in their schools–certainly not free electric guitars, electric basses, drum kits, and instruction by professional musicians, along with use of professional studios. No, we have plastic recorders and a xylophone one day a week for an hour. Then the poor white kids–who are told they are evil every minute of their lives–face affirmative discrimination in applications for college, grad school, and jobs. If they get into school, they pay with their own MERIT-based scholarships (for having outstanding SATs) or student loans, or their parents, who often are not rich themselves, and they go to state schools with their 90th percentile SAT scores while the beneficiaries of affirmative discrimination with their 40th percentile SAT scores go to Harvard, and then get placed as partners in law firms, for example, where they then look down on the state-school whites even though the state-school white has a 1400 SAT and 135 IQ and the affirmative placed black partners has a 95 IQ and 900 SAT and speaks hibu jibu jibberish, not good English.
And part of the reason white schools don’t have music programs is that the parents in these districts, middle class, pay so much in taxes for welfare and other support of the r-selected (police force, etc) that nothing is left over for schools (or to fix crumbling bridges that were built 70 years ago).
And no, the vast majority of white parents (often the dad paying for 2 households because of no fault divorce) don’t have money to pay for private music lessons either, and also there is no time for anything close to what is shown in this CNN video — the white kids are busy with regular homework, being prepared to be accountants and engineers — tools/worker bees for the elite.
I would like MY kids to have access to music instruction like this, to learn that they could be musicians instead of working in a cube staring at a screen. Any exposure they get to music instruments has to come from my extra effort, after school hours.
The r-selected people who are in North American and Europe are a drag on the entire economy in ways that are not even measured by direct costs such as prisons and crime.
Socioeconomic status. lzozlzozlozzlzlz What came first, the chicken or the egg? Generation after generation. 80 IQ is 80 IQ. 90% born out of wedlock and growing up without a father. That’s what created the “socioeconomic status” in the first place! It was not imposed on them by the evil white man. We have been trying to help them, making a very aggressive effort, for 70 years!
A certain group of people seems to cherish seeing these people as their pet project.
http://scholarlyrepository.miami.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1758&context=oa_dissertations
I guess it’s not a bad thing. The r-selected people are here, they are 13% of the nation, and they are going to breed. Helping them avoid becoming violent criminals helps everyone.
But where do we draw the line with welfare? What we have been doing the past 20 years is HELPING them have 4 thug future criminal babies per woman that will make it more dangerous for the 0.8 white babies per white woman that white women have oh so generously given us to be in this world with them.
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I socially know a dude like that. He’s a complete wanker, human rights attorney / traveler NGO type, total SJW. The girls tend to be fooled on the surface and I notice a pattern of serial monogamy – 3-6 month relationships. They figure it out pretty quick. He’s an unhappy, dishonest fuckstick. He can’t be fun to live with.
There’s good people in the international relief community but there’s also a lot of whores there seeking to feed their own egos. A PFC with a gun and a couple cases of MREs to distribute does more than the typical UN administrator to help out.
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Instead of smooching kids, those (ahem) warriors should be digging aqueducts and installing plumbing, for a start.
At least get the place to the point of the Roman Republic, if you want to truly help… amirite?
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Greg, you forgot to include paranoid shit about Jews in your post.
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I’m amoral, but surely if you believe it’s good to help the less fortunate, and these persons are doing just that to some small extent, their reasons for doing so are irrelevant.
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Goddamn where is Ebola when its needed? Notice there are no nizzers helping nizzers
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April Fools line = gold, esp if you already know that she digs you.
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Every situation is also a date. It’s best to approach girls when you have the next couple of hours free, or can easily cancel whatever you had planned. Ideally, you want to flow with her straight into the sack, and avoid all the logistical nightmares that come once you part ways.
The more you squeeze out of that first meeting, the better. The ideal being that you meet, then spend the next couple of days fuckin each others’ brains out. Treat it like you’re already on a date together, right from the first moment. It really is no different.
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I feel like you have to do 2 things with this & all banter.
1. Get the context (or even the target) down right, so she doesn’t think you’re either too serious, or an actual dickhead.
2. Be prepared for the potentially-snarky comebacks of today’s chicks who aren’t that smart or well-mannered.
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Question: How do you guys who are good at this get the initial Context right so it works more than it bombs?
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“1. Get the context (or even the target) down right, so she doesn’t think you’re either too serious, or an actual dickhead.”
1. Practice
2. Be relaxed (don’t give a fuck) so you’re in your body interacting with her, not in your head thinking about what to say.
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Know you’ll have a good time whether she enters your world or not.
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My sticking point seems to be they take the banter a little too seriously.
What could I be doing wrong and how can that be fixed? Thx.
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No, a snarky verbal comeback means that she IS clever. You got the lack of manners, though.
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“a snarky verbal comeback means that she IS clever”
no. it means she’s a C U next tuesday. A clever comeback not only doesn’t shut the interaction down, it helps move it forward. Any sign of snark and I’m out.
Day game is great because in many cases (gym, weekend grocery shopping, park) I get to see what she really looks like, how she usually dresses, how she is without her night b shield. Much easier to find natural beauties instead of painted up monsters that so often lurk at night spots.
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The Joo Within is a Joo. Snark is their very nature. Especially the Joo-ish American Princesses from Joo York City. If a JAP from JYC didn’t snark at TJW, he’d be worried that she might be rabid, or suffering from distemper, or from mange.
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What the hell? I AGREE with you guys, she gets 86’d for snark. I’m just saying that snark is generally a sign of cleverness.
Zombie Shane/Captain Obvious is still obsessing over my heritage, which is actually Central/East European Catholic. But, hey, whatever. He’s unbalanced, and I don’t think he realizes how crazy he sounds.
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snarky verbal comeback = DLV
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1) One of my sticking-points seems like there is a difference in tone or vibe that might be taken too seriously. Maybe an smv difference, too.
-Do you guys think it’s better to make the banter more obvious, softball-type stuff in the beginning so it’s easier for her to recognize as fun?
The way Neil Strauss’ advises in the white book of ROTG, to stop being sarcastic & be positive all the time. Or is NS taking that too far?
-Is it also more important to very noticeably smile or smirk at the first banter, so she gets it that way, too?
There doesn’t always seem to be space to do as Lance Mason Pickup 101 advises and Kino the 1st Banter to make the friendliness more obvious, too.
zmbiklr: That seems more an inner-game thing. I guess another way of skinning the cat. Hrm, maybe it’s a little Law of State-Transfer there, too.
pigeon & CO: Yeah, by snark I meant unwarranted bitchiness, not Wit
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Fuck smv, in the right situation, in the right time, with the right game, we can achieve anything.
Neil Strauss is the best place to start but ROTG is very surface level pickup script based – it’s worth exploring RSD videos on subcommunications and congruency i.e. “if you’re having fun, she will be as well” – law of state transfer
– Todd’s is great, because he’s not physically attractive to girls and you can observe him slaying it in the zone
Think about the context of day game as well? The kino/rhythm has to be slower and more subtle, like touches on the arm and high fives, until you isolate her.
“A girl is always thinking about being fucked by someone, why not you”
The inner game thing is right. Just do what comes congruently to you in terms of smirking etc because then you’ll learn what works and what doesn’t – rejection is a good thing, I learn something new every time
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Solid posts this week. This is prime!
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So true. My motto is ABC – Always Be Charming!
Besides, – ancient wisdom -the best “good” women aren’t usually found in bars and nightclubs.
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> “the best “good” women aren’t usually found in bars and nightclubs” No kidding. Another pro tip: Take her out on afternoon dates – she can carry the picnic basket and you can carry the blanket and the ice chest with the wine. If you hit it off, then you make love right there in the great outdoors, beneath the setting sun.
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I’ve done that. It sucked that once some fuckface stopped and looked. 😦
Which is why you should do it under the night sky, not during the day. It’s more romantic too and you can do the Mystery thing of getting her to light the candles and stuff.
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“ancient wisdom -the best “good” women aren’t usually found in bars and nightclubs”
truth
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In Vancouver British Columbia in Canada, guys never do street pickup. You see a lot of Indian-Punjabi-brown guys try to do street pickup in Vancouver, but they’re major fails. Lots of them live in Surrey.
They fail every time.
In Vancouver, social circle game is better.
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Surrey Jacks FTW
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You could well be right – why do you think social circle game might be particularly good in Van?
What about Seattle, Portland and SF?
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Social circle game is better anywhere on this planet. lol. How many 18 to 24 years old 8s and 9s do you have in your social circle though?
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Night game is simply a refinement of the uncodified tactics used by men in bars and clubs since time immemorial. It’s like the spread offense: new tactic, old game. Day game, on the other hand, was invented by PUAs. It’s also a fantasy. I have never seen a guy get a girl’s number in a public place, or even ask. Other people can hear you, for Christ’s sake. The few times I have (under the influence of PUA shit) attempted or thought about attempting something such as that, I felt sick, felt every eye in the universe on me. This wasn’t some programmed obeisance to a feminist social order; it was my conscience. Accosting persons in public is wrong. It’s being a sexual beggar. You give them the same feeling you have when you get panhandled on the street.
It reminds me of a scene from “The Simpsons”: Someone was speed dating, and he asked the organizer whether she had met her husband that way. She replied, “No, I met them through friends, like a normal person.” You have to be introduced. Social circle game, aka being a normal person, is the only acceptable avenue to LTRs (butt fuck them). Night game is the only acceptable avenue to one-night stands. Being rich and having a bullpen of sugar babies or “escorts” is ideal.
[CH: your perspective is limited. just today, i saw a guy number close a girl on the sidewalk. he wasn’t very handsome. but he had cocky body language and a devil-may-care expression. and balls. social circle is for the plebes. you’ll get what your social circle deems you deserve. i suppose some men are ok with that relinquishment of personal autonomy and power.]
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In Ohio, It’s best to approach women when its dark. Easier on the eyes.
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Ouch! You wouldn’t be from that state up north, would you?
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Yeah, OSU is full of uglies. Not.
There are loads of beauties here, if you stay away from Cleveland.
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You’re thinking of the state just to the southeast.
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“Day game, on the other hand, was invented by PUAs. It’s also a fantasy.”
Direct day game doesn’t generally work well if there’s a crowd contingent. Try opening someone adjacent first. Little old ladies are great for this. Start a conversation that’s easy for others to chime in on, and be charming and approachable. Rest assured, the target will be paying attention because you’re demonstrating social value. Even if the she doesn’t join the conversation, she’ll give you IOIs if she digs your vibe.
Then just open and insert as normal.
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Picked up one college girl while waiting for an eye exam. We had a hot time for several weeks. Picked up one rich divorcee when I shopped a jewelry store for a gift for my wife. I could go on and on. Picked up one woman in a stairwell while discussing apples. I could go on and on and on.
Meeting people you don’t know is an important part of an active and healthy social life – including women who might be future sexual partners.
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I suppose some can do it, and some may be receptive to it. I would suspect those persons are extroverts. I’m decidedly introverted, so the prospect of being on either end of something like that is distasteful to me. The stereotypical definition of “creepy” is a loner, eyeing you from the corner. The kind of persons who actually give me the creeps are the gregarious people persons. I see them working the room, and it’s like Michael Myers is coming for me.
If I can accept that others experience the world differently than I do, I hope they can reciprocate. I think at least 25% of the world is introverted. Psychologists say extroversion/introversion is the single biggest, most obvious facet of one’s personality, as well.
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The stereotypical definition of “creepy” is a loner, eyeing you from the corner. The kind of persons who actually give me the creeps are the gregarious people persons.
The stereotypical definition comes from women. They think a man who looks at them and makes eye contact but won’t approach must be a creep because he won’t come up and talk to them.
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Nah. Cashiers, waitresses, girls in the waiting room of the doctor’s office are all very real. Besides, they’re usually receptive because you’re shaking up their boring day by flirting with them.
As a bonus, you don’t have to pay $8 for poorly-made cocktails or lose your hearing to an onslaught of shitty pop music if you meet girls during the day.
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“Nah. Cashiers, waitresses, girls in the waiting room of the doctor’s office are all very real. Besides, they’re usually receptive because you’re shaking up their boring day by flirting with them.
As a bonus, you don’t have to pay $8 for poorly-made cocktails or lose your hearing to an onslaught of shitty pop music if you meet girls during the day.”
Now that’s the spirit.
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“Now that’s the spirit.”
Oh, and it’s great for getting over ex-gfs.
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” Day game, on the other hand, was invented by PUAs. It’s also a fantasy. I have never seen a guy get a girl’s number in a public place, or even ask. Other people can hear you, for Christ’s sake. ”
There’s channels on Youtube dedicated just to daygame, comprising hours and hours of infield footage
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Who do you like besides simplepickup?
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Honest signalz, street attraction, daygame.com, thenaturaltv, cupid shmupid are the best
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Reading through your whole post again, you seriously have social conditioning issues. Like it’s not even a dig at you, your field of experience is just very narrow in terms of social encounters and seduction because of your environment.
Modern urban world made the idea of street pick up bizarre to most people because as cities grow in size and population, public spaces function strictly as transit spaces and encounters are resricted to selected environments for more efficiency (bars, restaurants, work.) In small towns, rural settings and low-density countries,, smiling at strangers in the street and engaging in conversation is not out of place.
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He does call himself an omega.
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I’m from a small town and have always found “smiling at strangers in the street and engaging in conversation” annoying–offensive even. Also, those YouTube channels all feature PUAs, not hidden-camera footage of real men and women in the wild, reinforcing my point about the artificiality of day game.
[CH: day game is actually the least artificial type of game. think about it. throughout human history, most seductions had to take place in un-electrified venues or out of doors.]
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“I’m from a small town and have always found “smiling at strangers in the street and engaging in conversation” annoying–offensive even.”
That’s not introversion, that’s insecurity. I used to confuse the two as well and it took me a while to get over the latter.
By the way, day game doesn’t have to be chasing girls down on the street. Start with girls who have to talk to you and say shit for your own amusement. I got a waitress’s number a while back by asking if she ever slapped customers who asked for gluten free burritos.
It’s fun, dude. Lighten up.
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Benson is right on his. It is not introversion you are having. My wife is an extrovert and loves socializing with people and I am an introvert and have social anxiety with strangers. However I learned to socialize primarily through the type of work I do.
Now when we go to a party filled wih people we don’t know. It is me the introvert that goes up to strangers and starts a conversation. And she follows me around talking to the people after I start it. The party may have many extroverts in it but they are not starting conversations either or approaching strangers even in a social situation. It may only be me.
But here’s the difference. At the end of the night I am exhausted and want to go home. Because I am a true introvert. My wife the extrovert could keep going all night long and getting more and more energy from the party.
Work on your social anxiety. You think approaching is creepy because you are uncomfortable. And you feel inadequate. That feeling translates to the person you are talking to making them feel uncomfortable. You need to start small and push through. Just simple eye contact with everyone you see. Then add in a smile. Then start saying hello. Keep working that social muscle it gets easier. Then start small talk with people and then real conversations.
Keep pushing yourself. Make sure your energy is up when you do this.
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@Omeger – You are almost the opposite of a normal small town midwest person with you attitudes so it is little wonder you have trouble understanding how people interact. Small town midwesterners typically smile and say hello to people. It is the big city types that are paranoid and creeped out by it. You need to break through that shell.
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I have to agree with many of Ohiomega’s points.
Bottom line- day game is very difficult, at least for most guys. Would love to hear the success stories of some on day game? I have had some success with day game but it has been challenging.
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I always found day game much easier. More natural than the “food fight “known as the bar scene
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I agree it is hard damn hard. But I belive night game is harder and less fruitful. But it can get easier. I am by no means an expert.
But I am getting results and moving forward. You have to push through.
I do a lot of gaming in other cities where I don’t know anyone anyway and also try to fit it into my normal routine. Just talking to people and some of those people are girls. And after a while you are talking to strange girls. And I do it without a wing. Occasionally I have a friend with me and it is so much easier.
As simple as it sounds just talking to girls is half the battle. Good looking loser talks about this extensively.
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I was in the college career counseling office and saw a girl almost giggling and flashing her eyes at me.
Once you open your month out of turn you are in the top .1% of all men. What you say is 80% irrelevant after they cue you, IF SHE MAKES EYE CONTACT TWICE IT’S NOT AN ACCIDENT.
I JUST AM REMINDING YOU IF SHE MAKES EYE CONTACT TWICE IT’S NOT AN ACCIDENT.
IN a few weeks she was in my bed at my house and I would make her yell “Sperm!” so my neighbors could hear before I would come in her.
She went back to her boyfriend eventually.
I AGAIN AM REMINDING YOU IF SHE MAKES EYE CONTACT TWICE IT’S NOT AN ACCIDENT.
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If you feel weird about it you will project that to your female conquest. if on the other hand you go in for the kill knowing you will own her – you’ll come out of the exchange holding the booty…mindset.it’s everything.
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I got a number and kissed a girl literally 30 mins ago. I met her an hour before that in a Starfucks outlet. I didn’t even have to be very charming. Within two to three minutes of meeting me, she remarked, “You are very confident, aren’t you!”
Pretty hot girl. Young, nice face, slender blonde. Single too, I’m assuming.
No, I’m not poor or bad looking. In fact I do wear custom tailored suits pretty much all the time, and lift twice or thrice a week.
And no, not all the eyes were on me. There were some old feminazis giving me the stink-eyes when we left together about half an hour later, but that was that. I just had a shit eating grin on my face.
Wanna know my opener? It’s one that produced more babies on the planet than any other. More white babies, anyway. It’s “Hi.”
You know what?
If I don’t fuck her, I’ll fuck someone else. But I will. It has been at least 4 months since I set foot in a nightclub. Never needed them, never will.
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Just classic. Never get tired of hearing this stuff and would echo everything said here.
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@quorasdesignatedasshole
I have allocated you the proper hate that success entitles you to, but thanks for pointing out “Hi” is great in that it avoids any dancing monkey demerit.
Not asking her to do anything, not pointing to a distraction as a crutch, but still implicitily showing you are interested in her– IF you pause somehow to show you want further interaction.
I hope you’re happy, asshole.
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Did you really just write that day game is impossible because “Other people can hear you …”?
Better not choose a career in which “other people can hear you” assert some imperative of your profession. Someone might disagree with you! Better not fly airplanes, you have to talk on the radio and not sound like a frightened, confused incompetent. Better not acquire products and services, you might have to discuss them in front of other customers.
All women categorize men, in any context, as potentially sexually interesting or not. Innocuous daytime contexts make it easier to break the ice with strangers. The real problem is that, after you cross this rubicon, you’ll probably be less interested in more of them than vice versa. But at least you won’t have wasted hours standing around in alcohol-fueled hothouses projecting your interest on women whose first 20 words of actual, live conversation render them UNinteresting.
Until you can laugh about it, it truly sucks to attempt conversation with someone who turns feral contempt on the effort. Oddly, though, as soon as you stop giving a flying fuck, fewer will nuke you, and more will be curious.
One of the best relationships of my life commenced, after a 7 hour flight from London, a flight filled with furtive glances on both sides, in the customs line at Dulles in front of five of her SIW butch friends. 50 jet-lagged, bored and annoyed people were listening. It was the first time in my life I cold-introduced myself to someone and I was scared shitless, of course. But she was interested so she made it easy; they always make it easy if they’re interested. I haven’t met a woman in a club in 20 years.
And it’s simply illogical to limit your social contacts to women your friends already know. That sounds a lot like freshman year at college, when the point of living should be to reach out, grow and experience people and things that are not already familiar.
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” Day game, on the other hand, was invented by PUAs. It’s also a fantasy. I have never seen a guy get a girl’s number in a public place, or even ask. ”
WTF? Day game was not invented by PUA’s… ever been in high school? “hey Sally let’s go out Friday” has been said a trillion times…
Day game is way easier to make a quick connection with a girl, number etc., but much harder to engineer a SDL – primarily due to logistics. But not impossible. Day game ASD is waaaaaaaay way lower. More singles around, less pressure from friends or regulars like at bars/clubs
Last week I get coffee, guy in line behind me, has a motorcycle helmet. Young guy, average looks. he takes a seat. I get my coffee sit next to a moderately cute hipster girl. Not my type, I was considering opening her just for practice when she gathers up her stuff and starts to leave. She walks by helmet guy, who is sitting at a table facing her. he puts his hand up and stops her. she stops he puts his hand out and takes her hand and introduces himself. he holds her hand for 30 seconds while chit chatting, then nods to the seat. she stops and sits down and then they are chatting. She gets up and gets another cup of coffee and sits back down with him, and they go on talking. Respect to the young fella, knocking it out of the park.
His game – simple and direct. “hey”
worst case, she smiles and walks past his raised hand. So what? he has his coffee.
You may benefit from this http://www.goodlookingloser.com/anxiety/program
and check out this video
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“His game – simple and direct.”
This. I was thinking about this last few days and the word which would epitomize success in my mind is boldness. The difference between the 3% Alpha and the 97% beta is having the balls to just do it.
I decided the other day that if any women started staring at me for an unusual amount of time she had an introduction coming. Real simple. Had a married gal(strong 8) at the SB’s glancing at me while walking in and out of the place chatting on her phone. I went right up to her while she was on her phone and introduced myself. She turned red when I asked her name but she gave it to me. Then I walked away.
In my mind she had to be called out. I really didn’t care if she liked it or not. It was not what I said, it was that I was bold enough to call her out on her staring. I felt good about it.
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That example is more social-circle than day game. Sally is an acquaintance, not a complete stranger, and whether she says “Yes!” would be entirely dependent on their relative statuses and not at all on his method of broaching the question.
On GLL, I’ve been there and seen the videos. Good for him for not being a “one weird trick” guy with a PayPal link at the bottom of his site, but what he and Simple Pickup, etc., do is just not for me and never will be. When I imagine myself having a successful sex life, it isn’t because I set aside four hours every weekend to practice bothering women in public. (Imagine if guys starting approaching other guys like that, for some reason, trying to become insta-friends for no logical reason? Before long, I would get in a fight.) Rather, I picture success in that arena as a natural outgrowth of having built the life I want. At that point, I’d be trawling the ocean with a giant net rather than trying to spear individual fish in a stream.
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Actually mega he has a ton of videos proving his method and it is simple and effective. He works very hard to try to bring value to dudes.
But tell us how do you see yourself having a successful sex life? You mentioned something about a giant net?
And the analogy to approaching men is false. Women actually expect you to approach them. They want attention from men. They want to be pursued by men. This is the basic human condition. Men on the other hand do not want to be pursued by other men.
The four hours a week thing? Well how IMportant is this to you? Besides once you get the skill it’s not like you are approaching forever. Then it is just a maintenance thing.
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@ohiomega – this is BS thinking “I picture success in that arena as a natural outgrowth of having built the life I want. At that point, I’d be trawling the ocean with a giant net rather than trying to spear individual fish in a stream.”
Not because it’s inaccurate – I’ve always said the ultimate is living a dynamic, passionate and authentic life – but because its a false dichotomy to think because you don’t have this multi decade of success built up that you can’t do anything at all in the meantime. I mean right this minute you can get up anywhere in the world you can type out a blog post and in 10 minutes be actually talking to a woman. BAM!
But that is too easy for guys. They would rather manufacturer a host of false paradigms to rationalize away their lack of success instead of doing the most simple actionable steps to actually speak to a woman.
This is why action = alpha. Inaction = beta. I see the same thing over and over with guys, not just with women, but careers as well. After a bit of their whinging I suggest they quit and out trot a hundred reasons why they can’t…
And they say women have hamsters… LOL.
C’mon guys. Get off your asses and just do one fricken approach today… We need another approach week.
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@Reco “Women actually expect you to approach them. They want attention from men. They want to be pursued by men.” That’s like saying employers want resumes. They want good resumes when they have an opening, and bad ones never, but they always want them through the proper channels, i.e. they want some control over the process, not to be randomly solicited over the phone or to have their hiring manager stalked by some go-getter who wants to get his foot in the door while in line at Starbucks. That kind of shit is annoying, threatening, or both.
By they way, in either situation, if you have no chance, you know it–you feel it. Likewise, if you’re a great candidate, you develop a well-warranted abundance mentality.
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Great vid. I can do that easily.
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Day game for me totally hits night game out of the park – girls are more defensive in bars/clubs. On the street or in stores they are bored and more inviting plus it seems more natural and dare I say it more romantic. Girls love attention – they need it – so give it to them.
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The whole point of Game is that these guidelines from the past now have limited utility. Stick with them and risk permanent celibacy.
It’s not even that Game is a ‘better’ option. Men who need Game, ie open-minded betas like me, would mostly prefer the past. Problem is, there’s no going back.
Game’s very existence as a semi-explicit set of different guidelines, came about because times and needs changed.
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Why can’t everyone just be normal, anymore, instead of edgy, bold, pushing your comfort zone, transcending the social paradigm, blah, blah, blah (thanks, Tyler!)?
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What Cack! I’m riding the chair lift with some young dude. He looks at my battered ’80 era skis and starts remarking about how beat to hell they look. He, of course, is sporting the latest tech big price-tag skis – and I’m forced to listen about all the advantages and modern features all the way up the mountain. Very beguiling. All I said was – Snow hasn’t changed since I started using these …
Moral of the story being – What attracts women today is no different than its ever been. Vaginas haven’t changed since I started using them.
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Anonymous skier: great, you’re acclaimed natural. By implication you’re here for entertainment, not education.
But that’s no use to Ohio. He seems to want education, though the resistance is high in that one. If he won’t learn to push the comfort zone he’s bewailing, he’ll do no nailing.
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Oh. I’d assumed too much then. My comment was directed at analysis paralysis – the fascination with process – which is all too often an excuse for failing to initiate action of any form. To press the analogy – point your skis downhill and let gravity do its work. You can work on points of style later. Nothing teaches like terror. You’ll see – it’s part of the exhilaration. Enjoy.
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Vaginas haven’t changed, but skis have. They’re much better engineered now.
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Being a sexual beggar is going to places with overpriced drinks in order to get laid. Just living your life and talking to the women you meet anyway isn’t being a sexual beggar. Projecting much?
“Accosting persons in public is wrong. ”
Bars are part of being in public, you dipshit.
And social circle game is pathetically limiting, unless your social circle includes a lot of men who own modeling agencies, photographers, rich people and so on.
“You give them the same feeling you have when you get panhandled on the street.”
That’s because your socializing rivals the autism of a spergbot. I don’t mind when people talk to me in public if they’re being amusing/witty, even if they’re other men.
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On bars vs. “public”: Bars are the designated place in our society where singles mingle–permanent house parties. That is their one purpose. The grocery store’s one purpose is to provide groceries. Starbucks’s one purpose is to give you coffee and a place to sit, plus WiFi. To everything there is a season. . . . If you’re in a place, it should be for a reason, and you should focus exclusively on achieving that objective before preceding to the next one. No distractions. This is how life works–everything coming through the proper channels and no streams crossing, ever.
“I don’t mind when people talk to me in public. . . .” You are extroverted. Your internal world must be boring for you to welcome distractions from it.
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The US continues its full spectrum war against Putin and Russia. First there are sanctions. Then there is the attack on oil prices. There are hundreds of CIA, FBI and Blackwater personnel in Ukraine today. And Obama is sending a regiment to train Ukrainian troops and may send weapons soon. The Congress voted to send weapons to Russia with a vote of 348-48. Not a single member of Congress took the floor to oppose this dangerous resolution.
Putin will have to ride out this attack from Obama and the warmongering Neocons. Meanwhile the demonization of Putin by the free and fair press of the West continues unabated:
Since the beginning of the week, the three most influential mass circulation newsmagazines of the United States, Britain, and Germany—Time, The Economist, and Der Spiegel—have published cover stories that combine wild accusations against Vladimir Putin with demands for a showdown with Russia.
The most striking and obvious characteristic of these cover stories is that they are virtually identical. The CIA has scripted them all. The stories employ the same insults and the same fabrications. They denounce Putin’s “web of lies.” The Russian president is portrayed as a “depraved” mass murderer.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/pers-j30.html
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Day game versus night game. Big difference.
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Push-Pull, someone explain the basic meaning to me?
I ordered a coffee from a gal and complained about them overcharging me for the coffee the day before. Went right over her head and so I said “hey, wheres the discount?” Short story the manager got me a free coffee and a gift card. I asked for the name of the gal who took my original order then went outside to enjoy. 15 minute later the original gal comes out with all kinds of dread. I noticed her demeanor and opened my arms and gave her a big hug. She went wild, practically inviting me to go home with her. She asked me to come by the next day so she could give me a free coffee. Rated about a 5-6 because of age.
Is this push pull?
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Is going to be graded on a curve?
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Putin, did you get her phone number?
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No, but I feel confident I could have if I wanted.
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Well when you hugged her, did your pectorals cop a nice hard feel of her t!tt!es?
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“Well when you hugged her, did your pectorals cop a nice hard feel of her t!tt!es?”
Dude, you are cracking me up. If you want to get into the nuances then here we go.
She was actually a little of petite(small). I gave her a pretty good hug. You can pick up vibe’s and I am telling you that I could have made out with this gal if I wanted. Her hamster was spinning with dread and she was like putty. I kid you not that I could of probably went home with her that instant. I do this for fun. It would take a hard 9 for me to really consider any kind of move. Just sayin.
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Have your fun, but I’d be careful with the coulda wouldas… until you KNOW you don’t really know…
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“Have your fun, but I’d be careful with the coulda wouldas… until you KNOW you don’t really know…”
Spell this out for me please Sentient
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@putin – just that it’s one thing to feel like you could escalate a situation and another to know that you have escalated. The reference experience is different and more valuable in the latter case.
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No.
Push-Pull is a dynamic response to resistance. She resists – you agree in such a way that adds emotional distance – and then say something that draws her closer.
Her: Don’t you think we’re moving too fast?
Him: You’re right, we barely know each other (Push)
Things happen quickly when it feels so right! (Pull)
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isnt the sidewalk one too direct? well unless youre goid lookin it should work
[CH: or ballsy]
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I think one of our issues is we are still conditioned to think that a sidewalk ‘hello’ is some woefully aggressive move by a man. Now, it depends on the city, but seriously, walk down a street in NYC, and what you’ll find are the most sexually aggressive women on the planet. The eye contact is off the charts. And these are the women that a single woman in Omaha aspires to be. These are the women whose idea of seduction is to show up at your door nude, carrying a bottle of rye and a tube of KY.
Do the girls and yourself a favor. Say hello. They know before the syllable emerges from your mouth if they’re potentially interested. Pretty quickly it will become second nature to you to adjudge whether or not a woman *is* potentially interested. Because there will always be another one, you won’t give a shit about the ones who take a pass.
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Eye contact from an attractive woman is another thing I’ve never experienced. Must only happen to guys with sub-38 BMIs.
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Looks are a big part of it. Not Gonna lie.
Going in there out of shape overweight and ungroomed is going to exclude you from the hot girls. You will have to drop down to the lower end of the scale.
But weight is one of the areas you really have control over. I am in my fifties and I have no control over my age but I can control how I dress, look, act and how good of shape I am in.
And I do. And I can get interest consistently when I am on point and my energy level is good.
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OhM
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
42>38. So no. Practice ’till you make it. No groveling and No porn.
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Been doing this recently at my work. It’s in a mall-type complex, so there are other people here shopping, as well as working in other offices. Got a few hellos back. I think they were more shocked than anything. It was fun. I saw the “game” in all of it.
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@Reco
“Going in there out of shape overweight and ungroomed is going to exclude you from the hot girls. You will have to drop down to the lower end of the scale.”
rethink this…it’s residual blue pill… = you have to ‘earn’ the girl = you’re not in her league (good enough) unless you have xyz…
i’m not saying to gain weight or skip the shower (although that might be a good exercise…lol…don’t shower/groom for a couple days, put on grubby clothes and hit the hotel bar to game girls…just be ready for some shit testing on it…) but you don’t need this to be successful…see YaReally’s ‘value’ comment on one of the last week’s posts…
good luck!
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“Eye contact from an attractive woman is another thing I’ve never experienced. Must only happen to guys with sub-38 BMIs.”
Nawp. Lies, dude. I lost 60 lbs a couple of years ago but it didn’t do anything for my love life until I adjusted my thinking and started pursuing the girls I wanted.
I still struggle with it sometimes. I think to myself, “I can’t believe I got her number. Doesn’t she know I’m fat?” It’s a ridiculous train of thought, but when I keep it in check I do very well. You’ll have to get over your insecurity, too, or you’ll keep sabotaging yourself.
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“But weight is one of the areas you really have control over. I am in my fifties and I have no control over my age but I can control how I dress, look, act and how good of shape I am in.”
This is the main thing. Control what you can and let go of what you can’t.
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/06/06/work-on-your-personality/#comment-574707
Taking care of yourself shows that you give a shit about yourself…no one expects the college bro to take care of his body, it’s fine if he’s got a beer gut and stuff he was probably out boozin it up at the rippers with his buddies last night. But when you’re older it’s like ehhh, you should probably be trying not to have a stroke and diabetes and shit.
And ya you can still be sloppy when you’re older and pull hotties, but like, you’d better have either fucking TIGHT game or some other sort of massive value to pull that off. Like retardededly tight game. If your game isn’t off the charts and you’re 50 trying to bang 25yos then trim those nose hairs and do some pushups and eat a chicken breast instead of a big mac lol
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“Eye contact from an attractive woman is another thing I’ve never experienced.”
This might be a tell-tale.
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Ohiomega – WTF dude. Do it, try day game. At first just try it but to fail , knowing you will fail. It’s amazing the confidence that comes from this. I started at the beginning by talking to older ladies – just being friendly, moved onto waitresses and servers at my favorite places. Make sure you get on well with them, tip well and they know your name and know you are a regular so when you bring a girl back there you have status.
Women migrate to men of status – looks only get you so far. Walk like a king, believe you are a sex god – you will be amazed what will happen.
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Sidewalk stops are Krausers bread and butter. Tried a few myself and women are incredibly open especially when you are downtown. You need to walk in front of them and turn around with your hands up to get them to stop.
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@Splooge “…too direct.”
Who sez? Who SAYS what “too” too blah blah.
Heh heh. When I’m in the subway car, you’re like George Clooney fresh from a divorce compared to me!! Heh heh.
We’re all on a subway car to the depths you know! Yes! To the depths with you!
There’s no one left to judge you in the end.
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Great list.
However, some idjits here will insist that even the best Game cannot make a white woman want a non-white guy (daily visible evidence to the contrary).
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Who? Stop weaseling out like a little wimp and name names.
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Um….*most* of the white-nationalist omega males here insist that Game works in all situations EXCEPT when a colored guy wants to get with a white woman 7 or higher.
Try it and see for yourself. Post about how Game has increased colored guy success with white women, and see what they say. If you want to see the biggest wall of denial your life has ever seen, this is where you will see it.
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Name names, rodent
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U2’s great 1992 album Achtung Baby is most linked in my psyche with wild triumphs and searing heartbreaks of my early twenties.
Triumphs:
… and heartbreaks:
Best pre-sex song from the album: “Who’s Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses”
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“Until the end of the world” but different from the uber left hypocrite
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Solveig Domartin. She was so beautiful.
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Another one from Wenders film, this time Paris Texas, Cancion Mixteca arranged by the pure genius of Ry Cooder
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And to finish with Nick Cave again, Henry Lee with PJ Harvey
Based on the old Scottish folk song about a woman killing her lover,
a murder ballade par excellence as a word of cation to to those who finished Advanced 101 Alpha Course thought by one of numerous clowns
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“So Cruel” is my favorite. That song has aged well.
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I had one yesterday…the gal at the UPS Package store said to me jokingly, ” if you go behind the service desk you’ll get spanked”. I looked at her with a smirk and said ” you got it wrong, I’m the one who does the spankings” She liked it.
Another one : I finished up with an acupuncture session recently and I turned to the gal who was sticking me and said ” hmmm., not too bad ( pause) for an expert” she had that look in her face that said ” I’m not used to this type of treatment from men” My wife heard the exchange while in the waiting room and she started giggling.
Even though I’m married ,I still keep my edge sharp. Plus I just love flirting
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Be a man. No. Be your own man. Stop asking permission just assume. Stop asking what to say when and where just whatever pops into your head. Stop asking about the 33rd text you wrote. Know what you want and get it now. If you want sloots or a virgin to marry, dont care what anyone says about that its nobodys damn business. If you dont want or like something then ignore ridicule or distain to your hearts content. You will make mistakes so does everybody. Shake it off and go forward.
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Had one yesterday: girl behind the counter says ” if you go behind it, you’ll get spanked ” I reply ” the only one doing any spanking is me”. She ate it right up.
had another exchange while getting my acupuncture. we’re finishing up and I say to the hottie doing it ” not too bad a job ( pause) for an expert. Her look told me she’s not used to men talking to her like that. My wife was in the waiting room, overheard the exchange, and was giggling.
I love flirting. Keeps the edge strong
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Heartiste must live where there are more intelligent women since the list he provided if said to your average American low IQ female will only illicit a “huh?” followed by a deer in headlights lobotomized stare.
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I prefer it simple and direct : ‘you are gorgeous that is the reason why I want to get to know you.’
Works in any situation
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Game opportunities are everywhere and it’s fun to spot them in those split seconds AND say them for your own amusement.
Case in point. Went to bank the other day. Big titty lady tells me to use the inside atm to do my deposit instead of using one of her fellow tellers. As she’s up next to me with those big tits showing me how to do the procedure, I say, “This is cool, but I can’t hit on this computer. it’s not wearing a lovely shirt like this one (feel the fabric on her arm) you’re wearing either.
That woman ate it up. Always remember, most women you see are bored.
McQueen wrote the other day to find the hottest girl you can see in the bar and approach her first. This will make it much easier to approach other girls after that point. So, thinking about how game is everywhere, you could approach the hottest girl in the bar tonight and say, “Hey. I just wanted to say hi to the hottest girl I could find first so that the rest of the night is easy to approach other girls… pause… so do you might if I practice on you until she gets here? smirk. Hell, I’m married and I can think of these. Single dude should have no trouble thinking of others.
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These are brilliant.
Too bad my mind freezes up in the real world
(It would do so if I “Had to think of something catchy” to say to someone in the next 5 seconds regardless of gender)
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I won’t discount that it helps that I grew up in a family of six – full of talkers . It was literally an MMA fight when it came to getting heard. You either got quick with your mouth or your needs were not met – it was that simple.
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How many people do you talk to per week, excluding family and close friends? I have this same problem when I’m being recluse-like.
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Depends where I’m working. I can ‘small talk’ well, but that’s dull.
It’s one of those situations where the more I try and think of something as good as those in the OP, the more of a vacuum my mind becomes.
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@Tim, exclude people with which you follow a pattern of speech such as family, clients and friends. I mean people you don’t know anything about and with which you don’t know how to relate before you get in the thick of the fray.
And you don’t have to have amazing lines at first. Witty lines is something you grow into with experience. This is my case, anyway. Maybe your problem isn’t that you don’t relate to people, but that you are bad at this kind of humor. This is something that can be learned too, but we can’t help you without knowing where you are in life. I generally get the mind gets blank situation when:
1)I have been doing anti-social things lately(e.g. working all day, playing video games/watching TV etc)
2)I have been doing social things lately, but usually monotonous things such as meeting the same people or being in the same situations all the time.
I think our minds sort of get used to not be in the moment and be on auto-pilot and when they face a new situation, they just freeze. But that’s my assumption based on my situation, I guess.
While you don’t have to become a standup comedian, maybe you could learn about how standup comedy works. If you read a lot of these lines or a lot of jokes, you will see that the gist of humor is just a bunch of patterns used in different scripts.
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@PWN
“While you don’t have to become a standup comedian, maybe you could learn about how standup comedy works. If you read a lot of these lines or a lot of jokes, you will see that the gist of humor is just a bunch of patterns used in different scripts.”
hey, kind of just like pua…lol…
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Open with “I want to give you anal while you call me ‘Daddy’.” Boy, do they love that.
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You’re right of course PWN. Around friends I generally crack people up. I think it’s just a combination of approach anxiety and not knowing any sort of “in” with them.
Still, CH has been amazing for my text game, so, small steps eh?
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I have this problem too. It’s related to not talking to enough people because once you start doing that, you’ll start noticing commonalities between them. I think one way to avoid this is doing an assumption stack(google it). For example, when I used to go clubbing a few times a week a couple of years ago, I could tell you what kind of music girls listen to based on how they look like/are dressed(and I don’t mean the extreme cases where it’s blatant).
What’s funny is that if you talk to lots of girls, your assumptions will begin to be fairly close to how they actually are, but even when they’re wrong, they will be happy to disabuse you. My problem is that this skill of mine atrophies really fast once I stop using it. 😦
I have a game I used to play with a friend. We’d sit on a bench in a park and assume things about those that passed by. I did this with my ex too and it’s funny how elaborate the shit you can come with can be.
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Interesting, thank you
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At your favorite diner when you walk up to the lady who looks at you:
“My name is George. I’m unemployed and I live with my parents.”
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You rule Earl. Eeeeeeaaaaarrrrll.
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Reco,
kindly go fuck yourself, lying sack of shit.
oink
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I can’t get your mother away from my dick.
She oinks too.
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So when mom and your wife peg you, do they do it at once or they take turns?
oink
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Stop it, you guys are making me hard. 8====D
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of course THAT goes through mod no problem. lol
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No pun intended, right?
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The mod is as fickle as a woman lol
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Internet is all about the quality
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Wait, what?
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I also do this thing where I pretend to steal their camera/phone, when they ask me to take their picture. And tell them after I take their picture that I think I deserve compensation for being a photographer. The success rate of this has been fairly high, but I haven’t used it dozens of times.
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Day game is the best way to go, especially if you’re too old for the club scene. You can see what they look like and their bitch shields are at 50%. No loud music, no crowd jostling you, you can talk to each other without shouting and your clever repartee is appreciated more. CH is 100% correct here.
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The whole point of this post was to stick it to Tim Cook for his hypocrisy over state-level Religious Freedom Restoration Acts. The rest was fluff, albeit meaningful fluff.
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O/T but pretty sure this is the end of civilization.
http://mic.com/articles/114318/here-s-why-we-should-be-talking-about-guys-butts-yes-really?utm_source=policymicFB&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social
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check the mod, man!
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Completely off-topic, but is there a bigger more insufferable faggot in the entire manosphere than Greg Eliot? I’ve been reading CH for the better part of a year now and every time I stumble upon an Eliot comment I have to fight not to feel embarrassed on his behalf.
Greg, do you talk like you’re from the 18th century in real life as well? I’d ask if you own a fedora but your Gay For Jebus schtick seems to rule that out; however, the ostentatious writing style and holier-than-thou attitude are both there.
I appreciate all of the Christfags here who don’t have to incessantly make known their predilection for a prostate massage with a crucifix-shaped dildo, but Eliot (who curiously shares both a name and a temperament / demeanor with virgin rager Elliot Rodger) and his ilk should consider fucking off to Dalrock where they can discuss how hot they get from being submissive to their sky daddy.
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Field Report
Just got back from my Coffee House. Went there with a strong determination that I would make something happen. Usually wear a fitted shirt with nice slacks and shoes but changed it up today since I was not working. Put on visor cap, jean-shorts, leather sandals and my black T-shirt with the name of a certain classic rock band in white lettering. Last time I wore this is attracted a lot of attention.
Get there and see a shaved head, muscle built guy sitting at an outside table with his two dogs. Women were constantly coming up to him asking to pet his dogs. He never bought a drink from the place the whole time I was there. I hate him. He seemed to hate me.
Made another barista memorize my name and shamed her for not knowing it. There was a perky titted gal taking a selfie and I went up to her and said she should get a picture of us together so that she can say she has a new boyfriend. She loved it. Her boyfriend walked up later. An older friend(mid 60’s) of mine showed up and we sat at a table outside. Still feeling unsettled I see a hard 8 get out of her vehicle and go in to get a drink. She comes out so I raise my hand and say
excuse me miss, miss!
Her; Yes.
Me; (I put my hand out) come here
Her: I’m late have to go
Me: It’s alright(put hand out)
Her: Shuffles all the stuff she has in both hands to get a free hand then takes my hand.
Me: I guide her to sit down in the seat next to me.
Her: looking at me.
Me: Is that your vehicle?
Her: Yes
Me: Well I noticed it as I have one, etc….
I say a few mindless things just to keep it going and then my buddy gets up and says “I gotta leave” and bolts. I ignore his departure.
Me: So do you come here much?
Her: Yes, I live about 10 minutes away.
Me: Well I have not seen you because i would remember a pretty face like that.
Her: Smiles.
Me: (I run out of things to say so just go for the kill) I tell you what we need to have coffee together so let me get your number.
I open my device.
Her: My name is…..
Me: Give me your number first…..
I say that will work. Deal done. Text my friend to ask him if she was a 9. He says he does not like nose rings. I say minus the nose ring. He says “Yes”.
Observations: Anything under 8 tend to look at me in a creepy way. I will not back down from the guy haters at my coffee shop.
BOLDNESS!
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Oh, she was early twenties.
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The part about you and the guy with the dogs reminds me of The Simpsons and Maggie’s beef with the unibrow baby. Image came to mind as I read.
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That guy was nothing without his dog’s. Just a wanna be.
I won’t lie it, made me want to go grab my dog and lackadaisically sit at a table waiting for women to ask if they can pet it. He did not have to do any work.
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“I hate him. He seemed to hate me.”
YES!
Now you’re getting in touch with your primal feelings, soon you’ll start ENJOYING life.
You’re intelligent enough to use the innernet so you won’t provoke or even be impolite to the muscle guy, but you CAN provoke and daddy-fuck the LEGAL ABOVE 18 age women so you have some fun in life!
THAT’S the primal thing you can do!
No race-hate, no violence. That’s the bad primal things.
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Great article about Verne Lundquist, sportscaster, on how he met his wife.
http://deadspin.com/verne-lundquist-will-straight-up-steal-your-lady-1485729342
Goes to show how determination pays off, though I’m sure this guy looked much different in his youth. Always reminds me of the fat Elmer Fudd.
Here’s the excerpt:
“We met in a bar, and I hasten to add it was an upscale bar in Dallas. It was a place called Arthur’s. I walked in after I did the 10 o’clock news (at WFAA-TV in Dallas) and I didn’t want to go home. Nancy and her date were at the bar and her date recognized me from local television and invited me over to have a drink. He introduced me to his date and her name was Nancy Miller. It was their first date, a blind date. So we sat and chatted and her date, Raymond Willie, said to me, “Listen, I know you are single. I’m going to fix you up with a friend of mine and we can all go to dinner.” He looked at Nancy and asked her, “What are you doing Thursday night?” She said, “Nothing.” He said, “Good, you’ll be my date and we’ll fix Verne up with this schoolteacher friend of mine and we’ll go to dinner.” Meanwhile, I’m looking at Nancy thinking she is the prettiest thing I have ever seen in my life. So, Raymond finally left to take care of his business and I asked Nancy, “So, how involved are you with Raymond? She said, “Oh, this is our first date and it’s a blind date.” So I said, “Well, forget what he is talking about on Thursday night. What are you doing on Saturday night?” She said, “I think I am doing whatever you are doing.”
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“Her date recognized me from local television and invited me over to have a drink. He introduced me to his date and her name was Nancy Miller. It was their first date, a blind date.”
I have heard many first date horrorshows, and here is another one. At first, I assumed the guy was trying a graceful exit from his poor blind date. But later in the story we see he is trying to ask this girl out again.
After inviting another guy over during their first date. A (relatively) famous guy.
This story is physically painful.
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@McGonzo – another one from my personal experience.
Back in my beta days – I was sitting at McDonalds alone, a bit drunk after going out with friends (who had left), stuffing my face with fries (a drunk craving).
Pretty 7.5 and a guy sitting on the stools beside me. Girl opens me, and the guy reluctantly follows. She’s happily telling me that it’s their first date etc (believe me when I say he wasn’t alpha enough to pull off taking a girl to McDonalds on the first date – just clueless and beta) and basically ignores him for 20 mins to chat to me.
It’s been a decade now but I think the guy may even have walked out and left us alone for a bit..
I didn’t get anywhere of course – even then I had a fuzzy idea she was giving me a big IOI but had absolutely no idea how to capitalize on it..
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Every situation is an opportunity to declare yourself.
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One of your better posts lately, CH! Keep up the good work.
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“It’s the thought that counts, right?”
Seems like a good all purpose neg
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So for those of you who day game:
I was checking out at the grocery store today. As I walked out of the lane with my cart of groceries, I turned to the bagger, a cute, petite Asian girl with black hair, and said, “Hey, I like what you’ve done here; this is good work.”
She smiles and says, “So then I get a high five, right?” and holds up her hand. I slapped her hand and went on my way. I balked at asking for her number because I had maybe 8 seconds to interact with her, then she had to start helping the next customer.
Did I have enough time to number close? It seemed like it would have been forced to ask for her number, like I didn’t have time to build enough attraction.
Agree, disagree?
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@Benson To get a solid number close you need something more than a high-five.
You sparked attraction, then you had to move into Comfort quickly.
You could have sparked a chat very quickly, then did a false time constraint…”I have to get going here but you seem to be quite good with your hands, if you can keep them to yourself, let’s go for a drink, what’s your number?”
I’m in this situation a lot—I open…then spark attraction or get an IOI and then…nothing.
I now realize there’s a comfort step needed in there so she can trust me after the IOI…
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This is why actual experience is important. You only learn through doing. so you were surprised by her reaction = not thinking 2 steps ahead, not leading. Now you know – if you start something you may get to finish it.
Next time ask for the number. Yes or No from her doesn’t matter – you will learn more either way.
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I had never approached under such a tight time constraint, so I didn’t know how to move forward. Now I know. Good point.
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Benson, imo too much is made that if you don’t get a number it is a fail. There are other levels of success and one is just making a positive contact especially if you are going to frequent the place. I try to have a goal of just introducing myself and getting a name as many times it is a better approach.
Getting a number is a challenge and no doubt an emotional high but I do not think every interaction is an opportunity for a number. In your situation I would of never tried for a number and instead tried for a positive interaction as you did with a n introduction. The you have leverage the next time you see her. My two cents.
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Don’t get me wrong, watching her face light up in response to my patronizing comment was cool. The people around us knew what I was up to, too. The lady in line behind me said something like, “Oh, wow, he gets a high five, huh?”
Getting her number would have been ideal in this case, but putting in the work feels good regardless of the outcome.
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B, unless she’s about to quit the job, there’s no hurry. You’ll see her again. Also, for teasing with “High 5’s”, get her to commit to moving forward towards the hand-slap but then you yank your hand out of the way at the last second and say “Psyche!” or something similar. And if you’re really super cocky, you can add something like “Gotta move faster than that if you wanna catch the prize!” Also, do you know how to talk to hourly employees about shift work? Shiznat like “When’s your shift over?” and “Do you gotta work tomorrow?” Because hourly employees can’t sleep in late with a hangover after they’ve been out partying all night with you.
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On this subject, I remember Todd from RSD said to try and take the number of every girl you interact with. First to make it a habit, second because there’s always the possibility that something might result out of it.
Cashiers and stuff though, you’ll see them again so there’s no rush. You can’t assume you’ll never see them again.
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You could pull it IMO. I really like opening, but you crashed and burned by eating up the frame
Her : “So then I get a high five, right? ” – that was forkroad
(giving h5 was the most beta option, even asshole would do better)
You : “Dont take it too fast, u need to wine and dine me first.” (or sth similar)
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” get her to commit to moving forward towards the hand-slap but then you yank your hand out of the way at the last second and say “Psyche!” or something similar.”
“Dont take it too fast, u need to wine and dine me first.” (or sth similar)
Yeah, those are both solid. Now that I think about it, “Up high, down low, too slow!” Would have sparked some tingles. I just wasn’t quit enough on my feet.
Also, I don’t know where CH comes down on this, but I’ve read several bloggers who say that you have to make a move on your first approach or the girl subconsciously files you away in the friend zone.
Anyway, today’s a new day. On to the next.
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Waitresses, cosmetics girls, bar promotion girls pouring shots—all great for practicing game. Usually because they’re working they in a sense “forced” to be responsive. I haven’t ever gotten a number of a girl in the service sector, but I use them to help me build that inner confidence to approach other girls.
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I’ve gotten numbers that way, but I usually have five or 10 minutes to build some rapport with the girl.
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I agree this is a great way to practice. It’s their business to be inviting, which warms you up easily. Not buying anything from them gives you practice at being the prize, demonstrating value, not supplicating.
Your duty in exchange, is to not waste excess time. Game them briefly and move on. This gives you practice in opening, generating interest and building comfort rapidly. They won’t think any the less of you for not buying their wares IF you give them a glow from a minute or two of fun and unpredictability. In fact, they’ll think more of you.
Beta thinking is not to approach these girls because ‘they’ll just want me to buy something, which means I’ll have to buy something,’ alternating with talking to them, saying predictable shit, and predictably, buying something.
Alpha thinking is ‘look at the eye candy corporate America is providing me for free to flirt with, all paid for by the betas who will buy stuff from her just because she’s pretty.’
Course if you really want what she’s selling, buy it, but talking to all the ones you don’t want to buy from is excellent practise at avoiding supplication to pretty women.
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The service sector should be automated. Any interaction that happens therein is bothersome. I want whatever product I came to get, not to be persuaded to get something else or kept company while I consume it. Besides, what advantage do I gain from trying to get persons whose job is to pretend to like me and do what I want to do those things? I know if were a bartender and someone exploited that dynamic by breaking the work/life barrier and asking me for my number or what I was doing later, they would receive a level of hatred most persons reserve for murderers, rapists, and politicians from the other party–internally, of course, because I’ve have to smile and mumble some non-committal response if I wanted to keep my job.
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Ohiomega, if you see all human interactions as bothersome, then there’s really very little hope for you.
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“The service sector should be automated. Any interaction that happens therein is bothersome.”
You’re trolling or you’re clinically depressed, perhaps both. Working in the service industry is boring as fuck. That’s why grocery stores, malls and coffee shops are such great places to meet girls. Sure, they’re serving you food and trying to sell you trinkets, but they’re still people and they like being engaged.
Your life would be so much more pleasant if you learned to be curious about people.
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TSW, for once I agree with you, except I’d go one further: Ohio is a hopeless case. His language seems unnecessarily elaborate for a troll, he comes here to whine, and while whining look for advice, which he rejects because oh poor me.
Does he think this is the place for a friendly verbal pat? I just gave him a practice tip where even he could get a smile and positive feedback – these chicks are paid to do just that, and for free – and look at his response.
None so blind.
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It looks like Ohio is seriously trolling.
Did he actually compare a customer hitting on a waitress as the same as a murderer?
There is no desire here to improve or profess with women.
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Usually because they’re working they in a sense “forced” to be responsive.
Like any other girls, they behave significantly differently if they have the hots for you versus if they don’t. Look for the usual IOIs: long eye contact, using your name, greeting you immediately when you walk in, teasing and mouthing off at you if she’s a sassy type, etc.
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Bus stop game, 1966:
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Funeral Game…it’s like fishing with dynamite
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I use “Mom … .meatloaf!” all the time IRL and it always gets a laugh.
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No way! You mean you can socialize with women outside of sleazy night spots!? Tell us more, oh wise master!!!
Seriously, isn’t this common sense? Geez. Just be a friendly, outgoing person.
The easiest way to flirt with girls is when they work in customer service, like a bank teller or a cashier at a store, because you already have an excuse to talk to them and can walk away if the conversation doesn’t go anywhere.
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Read the responses…no, it’s not common sense. The minute there’s a hot girl involved many guys, myself included suddenly freeze up. The need to have strong inner-game in order to project strong confidence is not “common sense”—it takes a lot of trial and error–because the world has shifted to a Feminist Imperative.
“Flirting” is unstructured game…talking to women in the street isn’t necessarily “Game”…
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Don’t be condescending. This blog is for all types of guys with varying degrees of social skills.
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I swear women have a sixth sense.
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My Daughter nowadays has a 6ft 5in Medical Doctor telling everyone on facebook that she is a genius.
He is right in his perceptions, for what its worth, but he is wrong about the nature of his game…
FWIW, there is nothing wrong with her game…See, she once told me… “Dad, its hard to date any of these guys…Because none of them can compare with you.”
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That is why you should try to find a way to stay married.
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Having A Bad Day & Other married guys
I post every couple of months – working on red-pilling my marriage from a typical blue pill marriage.
S-L-O-W progress, but progress. About 3 months in (but I’ve been travelling about half that time and sleeping with other girls then).
Wife said recently “We seem to be getting along better the last few months”. Heh.
I make lots of mistakes still but I’ve reached the stage where I can recognise that I’ve made a mistake and what I should have done.
Question: How reliable/trustworthy is MMSL? I’m reading the 2011 MMSL Primer and thinking of reading up the MMSL Forums, but there seems to be a lot of contradictory advice and women posting which makes me a bit suspicious. The Primer is pretty good. The Game advice is basic for anyone reading the Chateau, but some of the specifics about shit tests in marriage and how important it is (to your wife) to see you visibly discipline your kids was all new to me
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@TheMarquis
props on putting in the work…it ain’t easy…
the mmsl primer is good and the early mmsl stuff, too (that’s where i started)…but at some point it swerved into ‘purple’ pill territory and lost some effectiveness/focus (although, it’s still a step in the right direction for most blue pillers)…the feminine imperative is EVERYWHERE…lol…
sooo, besides the primer…Rational Male for theory, CH for general game advice, YaReally archives for specific situ solutions…BUT, at some point you need to realize that marriage is really just a mLTR (with or without another LTR involved), regardless of the legal status, and manage it accordingly…girls don’t change their biology just bc of a legal status change…so, at some point, you will have to start to ‘improv’ your gaming the wife…lol…
it’s different than ‘coffee shop game’ but similar, too…lol…
so, in your specific situ, you’ll have a basic routine for everyday life. figure out your patterns of interaction with the wife…then, apply red pill knowledge to one specific interaction and work out a game strategy…then, apply it and observe the outcome…it should follow your red pill/game predictions. if not, figure out why, then adjust and reapply…rinse and repeat…here’s an example – doing the dishes…
blue pill/old routine:
her: you never do the dishes…
you: sorry, dear…i forgot again…(with ‘please don’t be mad’ attitude)
result = beta = dry pussy = no sex for you!…lol…
red pill/new routine:
her: you never do the dishes…
you:nope…and never is a very, very looong time…[smirk] (agree and amplify = shit test passed…note – this is not clever or witty, but it still works…)
result = alpha = moister pussy = maybe sex for you tonight!…lol…
just put enough of these situ/responses together in a consistent way = alpha…and she’ll be ready anytime you want some…lol…and she’ll start to think of ways to please you instead of calculating how much she can get in the divorce…lol
i got that ‘we’re getting along better now’ speech, too…lol…wife knows something changed but she can’t figure it out…she chalks it up to ‘better communication’…lol…
good luck!
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@themarquis
stack ate another one…
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Having A Bad Day – Thank You will watch for it
Had our first “Afternoon Delight” for the first time since I can remember yesterday, so we are on right track I think.
I had to go home after lunch to get something I’d forgotten and wifey started texting me when I was en route that she was in bed ready and waiting. I really was late for a meeting but figured this is not the kind of invitation one turns down, and we had a fun quickie before I rushed back to work.
She wasn’t even ovulating (I know for a fact..I’ve started tracking her cycle now after reading MMSL)
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Having A Bad Day
PS – It just occurred to me – the night before she initiated random afternoon sex, she told me “You’re really a sexist pig” (first time ever she said that) when I teased her about watching chick flicks with “Strong Independent Women”. I just laughed it off and she didn’t seem really upset.
Could they be connected? In fact she mentioned having sex that same night (I can’t remember if it was before or after the sexist pig comment) but there was some stuff with the kids and we couldn’t logistically.
PS 2: I still occasionally joke (to her, not other people) about how she’s the Boss of the household and takes all the decisions and I report to her. Although it is plainly not true and never has been (I was never *that* much of a beta – I just used to consult with her more than I should). I’m wondering if I should stop doing that, or keep doing it as a joke to sort of give me “cover” as I make my transition..make it more smooth if you see what I mean.
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@TheMarquis
bumped to mod…lol…
good job! you’re on the right track…lol…
“Could they be connected?”
most certainly… ‘sexist pig’ is a way point on your journey…lol…
“PS 2: I still occasionally joke (to her, not other people) about how she’s the Boss of the household and takes all the decisions and I report to her. Although it is plainly not true and never has been (I was never *that* much of a beta – I just used to consult with her more than I should). I’m wondering if I should stop doing that, or keep doing it as a joke to sort of give me “cover” as I make my transition..make it more smooth if you see what I mean.”
yes, stop that ‘she’s the boss’ stuff…hamsters don’t do irony/sarcasm…it will just get you more shit testing as her hamster seeks a boundary…just stop, and never reference it again…it won’t be a problem…
good luck!
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A few thoughts… I was a frequent poster at MMSL, from the beginning of the forum and the blog pre forum. It used to be very explicitly red pill in outlook and very much based in evo biology & psychology. It’s mellowed quite a bit in the last year as AK has “refined” his message and opened up to a large female audience, which include a large number of female forum moderators.
MMSL is very self selecting community – you get a large number of MC beta guys… good worker bee guys, who most likely had a couple of LTRs and then got married. Not a lot of natural”ish” cads. And for the women, mostly very high sex drive, wanna be submissives with LOW T former alpha husbands. So they are pining for lots of dominant sex. But they still have a very blue pill perspective and hamster. If you call them out on it, you will be banned now.
That said, the MMSL Primer is gold. Everyone should get a copy before it goes away. A nice condensed easy read intro to evo stuff, attraction, alpha beta and LTR management. You can read the older forum posts, Fredless is solid gold, and he hasn’t been banned. a few others Dave Bowman, hoping4better, early monkeysuncle… all were good and successful.
You should do the Triage Questions, you need to get an accurate view of where you are in your marriage, and the forum will be helpful in teasing that out. Also the Phases are very good. You need to figure where you are, in what Phase and who has higher sex rank in the relationship and importantly the trend…
The Sex Rank will inform your Phases analysis (paraphrasing here check the book), basically in Phase 1 you are invisible to your wife, lower sex rank, low attraction. Phase 2 parity in sex rank, higher attraction and lot’s of shit tests and dominance tests as the relationship equilibrium in being reset. Phase 3 you have higher sex rank and better hand, may face more loyalty tests, may still not be able to get everything you want out of the relationship. Phase 4 you state your expectations with the implication if things don’t change you will be gone. Phase 5 is going about your life as a soon to be single dude. Phase 6 ultimatum time you do X or I am gone this week. and Phase 7 you exit.
There is a rule of thumb you should keep in mind, your wife’s perception of all the changes you are making in your life will lag yours, probably by 3 to even 6 months. And that it takes one month of “mapping” (i.e. the old Male Action Plan) per YEAR of your relationship to really get results. So a 10 year LTR is at least 10 months of hard mapping with no backsliding etc.
Good luck in your journey!
also check out all of CH’s posts on LTR Game and Game…
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I would add one very important point – on sex rank – it’s how you are viewed in HER eyes that matters, not yours, your friends, other women or your Mom.
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Having A Bad Day And Sentient
Thank You For The Inputs.
My wife also said she thought we were communicating better – this stuff is really quite scientific if you execute the steps – the results are repeatable.
I think I am in MMSL Phase 3 early stages (she makes occasional comments about how she trusts me not to cheat on business trips etc and asks if I love her and calls a lot when I travel etc = Loyalty Tests). Presumably if I get the results I want in Phase 3, there is no need to go to Phase 4, 5, 6 etc..
I am at a point where I am starting to see results, but need several more months of “MAPing” I think
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Not so sure those are loyalty tests. Could easily be shit tests instead.
Loyalty tests are more like “I’m afraid of losing you” in nature to me. How do you answer the “I trust you” test?
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Sentient
The “I trust you” line has only hit me once (a few days ago) since I started MAPping 3 months ago.
I said “That’s like me reassuring you I won’t smack you around if you annoy me – it’s a baseline minimum requirement”. She laughed and changed the subject.
Other comments are more common – she called me a “good man and good father” last night. She regularly asks if I love her and occasionally asks if I will ever leave her, etc.
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Seems like a mix of shit and loyalty tests IMO. Don’t discount the value of giving her a cocky funny response to something like the “i trust you” lines… it took me a looong time to realize that when my wife was saying stuff like this giving her assurances was the completely wrong move!
Cats are not dogs and all…
destabilized relationship = option. The one with the most options wins.
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also don’t discount that she very likely wants to qualify to you… Make her work for the “i love you” stuff… Don’t just give her a flat yes answer. This is called game for a reason. Make her tingle and make her hamster spin. her emotions need to go ^_^_^_^_^ … other wise ZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
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Final point – if you feel at all uncomfortable teasing her or not giving her a flat direct answer to stuff like this… you are not as far along in your journey as you think!
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Great Googly-Moogly, please someone relax the Comment Moderation rules around here. Who’s in charge of it, Phoebe Buffay?
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Does anyone else have exes that they accidentally hurt so much that the ex can’t even talk to them?
Strolling with some chick today and saw this kinda-ex fling thing today with her new boyfriend
Her eyes met mine from across the street and she body visibly coiled up, her face turned to that of bambi’s mother before being shot, the blood draining from her face.
I smirked and walked on.
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https://www.swedishweekly.com/feminist-goes-crazy-when-compared-to-swedish-nationalist/
Feminism and female beauty… lol.
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Gold. Just like picture of landwhale and beta on the beach, this deserves a dedicated post
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You may be misinterpreting her body language…
Perhaps it wasn’t “past hurt”, rather… she was hoping no beans got spilled in front of her new boyfriend to muck up her new relationship.
You know… sort of like when Seinfeld found out his girlfriend used to go out with Newman… after that, he couldn’t even kiss her. lzlzozlzozlzozlzozlozlozl
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ha no need to fight over one girl when there’s 3.5 billion out there you loser.
In your world maybe your scenario “white knight fight” would be a possibility in my world there’s not even any competition
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WAIT a fucking minute.
The most rabid J-o-o-hater on this website is quoting SEINFELD. The most neurotically J-o-o-ish sitcom of all time.
You fucking hypocrite, Greg Eliot. Quoting classic J humor and using black slang (“shakin mah haid, huh huh huh”), while professing to hate both groups. Buy a fucking mirror and take a long hard look at yourself.
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I have been a long time reader of this site, posted comments just a few times here and there. This is just a comment to all of you “old” guys like me: Read, internalize, and go for it. You will not believe how much this stuff works.
I am a 52 year old male, just an average guy (I do look 10 years younger than my age)
I just got out of a crazy one year relationship with a crazy 8.5 24 year old.
I decided to play the field for a while, after a long string of serial monogamy.
I had sex with a 22 y/o 3 nights ago, a 35 y/o 2 nights ago, and my crazy ex last night.
None, and I mean NONE of those lays would have been possible without the knowledge contained in this site.
Just watch what women do, and ignore anything they say, just have the right attitude and push things forward.
Sex will happen, and you will feel like a god.
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As another “old guy” (64), I concur. My 31 y/o girlfriend is coming to stay with me this month in my hotel suite. Women have programmed responses to stimuli – learn to provide the right stimuli at the right time and in the right order, and you get to sample and choose.
CH is a great introduction. I would also recommend reading a few books on astrology and buying some pheromones as adjuncts. I also recommend on-line ads as I’ve gotten great responses from my ads – but apply marketing principles there – you’re selling benefits, not features.
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Love seeing the posts from the older guys.
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I wish my “wolf alpha” dad could be enjoying this lifestyle instead of being stuck with my frumpy, old mom. I have no problem with my mom, either; she’s just 58, you know?
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“I wish my “wolf alpha” dad could be enjoying this lifestyle instead of being stuck with my frumpy, old mom. I have no problem with my mom, either; she’s just 58, you know?”
Ohiomega, he is an Alpha? Would it bother you at all or does she deserve it? Just curious from a son’s perspective if him fooling around would make you respect him more?.
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@Anonymous I suspect he was an alpha during his prime, or at least “upper beta?”. He’s old now, but if he didn’t have the withered remains of a family (a fuck-up adult son and an old wife) that he ignorantly felt obligated to support out of knowledge that they would starve without him, he could be living it up on his well-earned savings, and I would wish him the best.
There was one affair of which I know, when I was in middle school with one of my friend’s moms. My mom got a hard shot of DREAD from this experience, becoming a different person overnight–getting up early to make everybody breakfast, losing a lot of weight, dressing better, growing her hair back out, etc. They separated, but got back together, and did the same thing again when I was in college. I never felt betrayed by him or sorry for her. Logically, I knew it had nothing to do with me. Both times, though, I became withdrawn and unmotivated, causing me to underachieve and setting me back in life. I didn’t realize the causal link till years later.
tl;dr No, it wouldn’t bother me today, I think, but it did some serious damage during my formative years. Someone else’s reaction to the same sort of thing could be similar or entirely different, depending on their beliefs or age. It would be hard to predict, in any case.
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“@Anonymous I suspect he was an alpha during his prime, or at least “upper beta?”. He’s old now, but if he didn’t have the withered remains of a family (a fuck-up adult son and an old wife) that he ignorantly felt obligated to support out of knowledge that they would starve without him, he could be living it up on his well-earned savings, and I would wish him the best.
There was one affair of which I know, when I was in middle school with one of my friend’s moms. My mom got a hard shot of DREAD from this experience, becoming a different person overnight–getting up early to make everybody breakfast, losing a lot of weight, dressing better, growing her hair back out, etc. They separated, but got back together, and did the same thing again when I was in college. I never felt betrayed by him or sorry for her. Logically, I knew it had nothing to do with me. Both times, though, I became withdrawn and unmotivated, causing me to underachieve and setting me back in life. I didn’t realize the causal link till years later.
tl;dr No, it wouldn’t bother me today, I think, but it did some serious damage during my formative years. Someone else’s reaction to the same sort of thing could be similar or entirely different, depending on their beliefs or age. It would be hard to predict, in any case.”
Ohiomega, thanks for sharing..
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“My mom got a hard shot of DREAD from this experience, becoming a different person overnight–getting”- CH has been correct
“Both times, though, I became withdrawn and unmotivated, causing me to underachieve and setting me back in life. I didn’t realize the causal link till years later.”- CH does not like this uncomfortable truth. The problem with a husband cheating or walking away is the kid’s. Any guy worth his salt is going avoid creating damaged goods when it comes to their son at least. This puts the husband in a very tough position which I would like to hear answers for.
Ohiomega, I would suggest a book named “Search for Significance” which will help in your situation.
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“I wish my “wolf alpha” dad could be enjoying this lifestyle instead of being stuck with my frumpy, old mom.”- Why?
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@Putin – you don’t need to walk away from anything, that’s false. When things work well, it’s the best of both worlds for everyone. Just don’t piss in your pool, rub her face in it or make her friends judge her. Keep it at a distance. And don’t get beta and fall in luurv or have a relationship.
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“things work well, it’s the best of both worlds for everyone”
Alright Sentient if you could give me some detailed examples of a working situation that would be appreciated. So you are saying never get in another relationship, just ONS?
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“make her friends judge her”
and what is this suppose to mean?
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@Putin – no woman can withstand her friends and family confronting her about her husband’s affair and NOT then make a stand. It’s too much. Even if she doesn’t really mind. It’s the same dynamic as in pickup – ASD – value judgments… social shaming.
The best of both worlds is the hamster wants it both ways… the hamster WANTS the guy who is strong enough and high value enough that he COULD pull other (hotter/younger) women because SHE has the commitment… so she is winning… The hamster also DOESN’T want to have the reality that he HAS pulled these women thrust in its face… if it is then she is losing…
The hamster gets to sit on the fence and play with its feelz, depending on the moment. It can scare itself that he is OUT THERE and then console itself that he is not, he is WITH HER… Reality will awkwardly get in the way of this game.
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Sentient- I agree with your analogy of the marriage hamster in fact I would say your expertise in that area is something that many cannot offer.
With that said there are still some basic questions left unanswered.
1. Can’t one accomplish the same thing just by staying out late, flirting, etc without having to actually do the deed?
2. Don’t rub it into her face but you say that you want friends and family to rub it into her face?
3. And if you are going to cheat why not just get one concubine instead of doing the ONS thing?
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@Putin –
1. For the most part, yes. Don’t do anything you are not 100% comfortable doing. You need to live with yourself. Most guys will cave, confess, feel enormous guilt etc. If it’s not fun and affirming, don’t do it.
2. You misunderstand – don’t rub it in her face, don’t let her know know if you will, and don’t let any of her friends or family find out. Pro tip – your beta white knight buddies WILL tell her if they know…
3. Concubine? Archaic. Any “mistress” will at some point try and make a play for more… Avoid.
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1. For the most part, yes. Don’t do anything you are not 100% comfortable doing. You need to live with yourself. Most guys will cave, confess, feel enormous guilt etc. If it’s not fun and affirming, don’t do it.
2. You misunderstand – don’t rub it in her face, don’t let her know know if you will, and don’t let any of her friends or family find out. Pro tip – your beta white knight buddies WILL tell her if they know…
3. Concubine? Archaic. Any “mistress” will at some point try and make a play for more… Avoid.
Good deal Sentient.
As for the concubine why the dread? You don’t think they exist?
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@Putin – I’m not Sentient (nor am I married), but I think Sentient’s point on a concubine/mistress is that you should never restrict yourself to just one woman on the side – she will become almost like a girlfriend and want to be more than just the bit on the side.
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@Donahue Mine broke up with me…displayed a variety of Cluster B traits…now blows hot and cold when I see her….either she wants to make out with me…or she ignores me for weeks on end.
It’s a sickness.
Another who just ended things suddenly…I ran into today at a party I was djing… I didn’t recognize her and said “Hi…” until I realized who it was…then I ignored. She was sending constant texts to a beta orbiter friend of mine…she left the party early and said “Bye”….
I think it’s a weird sense of female hypergamy…she can’t have you so now wants you…but doesn’t really want you….but then remembers who much she wanted you… rinse and repeat.
That’s why I think it’s best to leave chicks like this and move on…this is how the beta orbiter is groomed….lift a little skirt..then pull away…then always be making excuses why you can’t isolate but always be texting etc etc.
Mine broke up, then after I disappeared suddenly came back and began madly texting me AFTER she was seeing another dude….it was only when I told her to “fuck off” that she felt “rejected”….after breaking up with me…following me here?
Yes…no logic…move on.
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Let me make your point and dispel the words of the gamehaters who think you need to be in a bar to do pickup.
I was at a store last year buying art supplies. I dabble a bit in a respectable medium. While doing some calculations to make sure that I had enough stuff to complete my project, a relatively masculine but obviously gay guy starts trying to pick me up with some stupid comment. I look up, carrying the conversation with him a bit, and then ask where he lives. Excited, he tells me. It’s near a place where plenty of chicks hang out.
I tell him that I’ll never go to his house, because I like women, but if he’d like to get a drink and talk about art, that would be fine. He was a little apologetic and tried to give me an out, but I insisted that we should get a drink that evening. I “jokingly” (but intentionally) suggested a gay bar where a lot of hot, straight women hang out. Dude thought it was weird given that he just learned I was straight, but bit.
Long story short — we meet up, he gets fairly quickly that I’m using him as social proof to get to the chicks at the bar who trust him as a gay friend. I don’t think he really cared, seeing as I was a “cutie” and talking to me gave him social proof. I ended up taking a 22 y/o blonde (great rack) home. The gay dude gave me a high-five as I was leaving with this lady.
If you can think on your feet, then everything is a pickup opportunity.
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Nice. Some creative shit there. Most guys would balk and react in a weird stand-offish way, you just planned 3-4 steps ahead. I wouldn’t have thought of that.
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It’s all about being receptive and associating with social people. This guy was social and doing day game (gaydaygame?) and was friendly/not creepy, so I could assume that he had a decent social circle. The next assumption was that the social circle was unlikely to include much competition, making me the alpha basically be default.. Add in the cliched reality that hot chicks dig gay guys, for some pretty rational reasons, and it’s game, set, match. You know all that, but if you don’t give the interaction a chance to be positive (i.e. you reject it immediately), there won’t be those precious seconds to make it all click.
The biggest roadblock men put in their way is a negative attitude towards other people. Whether it’s women, other guys, etc. Alpha doesn’t mean going caveman all the time — it means becoming an instant leader in a situation by creating good feelings in others. Being outgoing yet discerning is deadly attractive when it comes to pickup or just making friends. Getting over yourself and out of your own way is the core of confidence and day game.
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@ LurkerTalker: Props … instructive & inspirational
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Hell yeah. Nice. I’m stealing this the next time I see gay eyes fluttering my way.
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“Be situationally aware and in the moment. Keep your senses sharp, like a hunter surveying the veldt for prey, and exploit every chance that the banalities of life throw at you to capture the curiosity, and hearts, of cute girls gliding in and out of your world. There is much more opportunity for sexual and romantic gratification than you think you know. You’ve just gotta… bustamove.”
Ya’ know, this isn’t just about getting tail. Just doing this sort of thing is in some ways an end in itself. It’s f&#^ing fun! (heh). You get a smile and some admiration from a nice PoA – and that is worthwhile. You don’t have the time or the capacity to bang every hottie you run across anyway. So you practice, but it’s not like work. It’s fun to do, it’s good to keep the mind sharp and improve game at every opportunity. The best part is, you can be the fattest, man-boobed, estrogened betamax in the area, but still have fun tossing these out. Maybe the smiles and slight admiration will be enough to inspire you to move yourself up a notch or two and catch some premium tail that you had only dreamt of.
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I thought this blog was about how feminism has ruined women and is destroying society. Instead, I see men bragging about doing just that themselves.
It is one thing to do this out of necessity because others are doing it. It’s still not good to do, but it’s another to brag about it and be proud of yourself for it. And the fact that these very women are used up cum receptacles with high STD probabilities, it really shows a lack of any self dignity.
I can’t think of a greater advertisement for feminism than this PUA junk. Do you people not realize that feminism is what created PUA in the first place? Back in the 50s this stuff couldn’t happen because women wouldn’t put out for men without marriage, and when a man saw another man stalking and harassing women, he would step up and do something about it.
Feminism made it okay for women to become sluts, and then eventually men stopped defending women, so the types of men that are interested in that type of thing had free access.
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Society is going to pieces..
Most of us have seen the capabilities of modern LIBEERRRAAATED women and their true nature: Families torn, husbands cuckolded, boyfriends and betas fucked over… We’re just making the best of a shitty situation. As was Casanova in the early days…
It’s sort of hard to picture Snow White as an innocent snowflake after she’s been gangbanged by 7 dwarves?
Welcome to the 21st century Western Hemisphere mudufuckaaaaa. Holla
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“You come here often?”
Confirmed works.
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