CH has discussed ad infinitum the various causes for the marriage strike (hint: it’s not just men avoiding the altar). Sometimes, theory isn’t enough to wake people up. You need to hear the pained words echoing from the charnel house known as the modern secular mating market. A commenter to that linked article, Tom Watson, writes,
This isn’t an article about maturity, its about conformity. Society is upset that men aren’t conforming to some crazy imaginary standard being set for them. This isn’t the the 1950’s, the economy has entered permanent contraction, so it’s pretty simple, we can’t afford to marry princess and give her the castle she wants. I don’t want want to be a cog in the machine, I want to see the machine grind to a stop.
What was it? 80% of women list shopping as their number one hobby? But you want to attack men for playing video games? Pretty selective. I want to live a life of minimalism, where I have enough money to cover the basics, I don’t need a 2000 square foot McMansion in burbs to get by, I don’t want to commute to a soul crushing job and end up like the age 50+ man drones I see drowning themselves in alcohol, fast food and TV just to numb their existential pain.
Modern culture to me is spiritually dead, I don’t feel like using my one shot at life running on the never ending treadmill of materialism just because cupcake wants me to, what kind of man would I be then? Definitely not my own. F#CK THAT!!
Yes, the trope about vidgya gaming and porning men as the cause of marriage dissolution conveniently neglects to include materialistic, shopping and social media whoring women. I do think technology has contributed to divorce, but technology cuts both ways; it’s enabled the worst instincts of both men and women.
One other point which Tom didn’t mention, (but which was strongly implied): Fat, classless, slutty women aren’t high grade investment properties. No man wants to slave away to buy a 2,000sq ft mcmansion for a blob. As I keep reminding tradcons like Douthat and Murray, the obesity epidemic is as much a cause, perhaps a bigger cause, for the retreat of men from marriage as any economic factor.
Tom is also a victim of SCALE. When he says, “Modern culture to me is spiritually dead”, what he’s really saying is, “The nation is too big, diversity too overbearing, community too shattered, women too morally base, for me to feel any sort of connection or duty toward it.”
Tom, you can be your own man by learning how to charm women, falling in love, and making them a part of your life…. outside the realm of the state. Feed your heart, starve the beast.
Goddamn that’s a fine summary from Tom. Kudos….
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Where I live, 2000 sq ft would be a McDoubleWide. Princess Barbie Doll from H*ll will divorce your @ss if it’s a dime less than 4000 sq ft.
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Yeah I was going to say. I have 1700 sq. ft. (plus a 600 sq. ft. unfinished basement) and mansion is the last word you would use to describe it.
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“Tom, you can be your own man by learning how to charm women, falling in love, and making them a part of your life…. outside the realm of the state. Feed your heart, starve the beast.”
Heartistestzt! Yes!!
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So now it is hard to romance a woman “outside the realm of the state,” as the entire point of teahcing women to say “I have a right to my own body,” was to give the state the right to her body.
Think about it.
ONce uponz a time a husband had the right to his wife’s sexuality and body and the children.
Now the state has the first right to not only the women’s body and children, but to the man’s assets.
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Hell, Schloss Eliot ain’t but 2400 sq. ft., and I only jokingly refer to it as a schloss.
But it’s got nice acreage… and I be the king over most of what I survey from my veranda.
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I only feel sad about the future when I imagine what life will be like for my children, grandchildren, etc. Then I remember I dont want children. I dont want a wife. Any money I make, anything I create, any wealth, I will destroy before I die.
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Do children not smile in Brazil?
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You Goodman right! Here, here!
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If there is any leftover after taxes.
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You don’t know what you’re missing until you have little LOOOOOLs running about.
I wouldn’t trade those years for anything.
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Greg. Correct. Indeed as currently structured marriage royally fucks men over. But be under no doubt that a good family – wife and kids, and they don’t even have to be close to being perfect – is the optimum lifestyle. Hard to achieve these days but still not impossible.
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The expectations of women are certainly skewed. Not to be pedantic (if anything, this reinforces the point), but it should be noted that the average floor area of a new, single-family home in the U.S. is 2,392 sq. ft. (as of 2010), whereas in the 70’s it was more in the 1600 -1700 range. This means that if Cupcake wants a McMansion, it should be at least 3,000 sq. ft. With granite countertops, natch.
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you aren’t kidding. there are so few worthwhile (for cohabitation) girls, i know one that would love fixing up a 1500 sq ft ranch style on some land, but she’s married and i’d feel bad stealing her at this point
women are the single worst thing for the environment. men live with so much less superfluous junk. and the stuff we do accumulate is for women. i get tired of being hounded to recycle a can when her whole life and every interest is both literally and figuratively garbage
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I was thinking about that very thing this afternoon – how the housing developments from the 1960s look so pathetic next to the houses of the 2000s – how we used to have 1500 sq ft houses bursting at the seams with children, whereas now we have 3000 sq ft houses with no children at all but menageries of cats and pitbulls and hoards of knick-knacky crap from Williams-Sonoma and Crate-n-Barrel.
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In every grocery store in this Bluetopia town, the pet aisle [food and chewy toys and scratching posts] absolutely dwarfs the baby section [baby food and bottles and diapers].
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I wouldn’t call plates, bowls, glassware, silverware, and cookware “knicky-knacky crap”, Zombie. We generally need those things to eat, at least where I come from.
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“In every grocery store in this Bluetopia town, the pet aisle [food and chewy toys and scratching posts] absolutely dwarfs the baby section [baby food and bottles and diapers].”
never noticed that. you’re totally right.
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In my Bluetopia town, the trendiest and toniest development from the 1960s is now tired and run down and very middle class, and the middle class development from the 1960s [which had more young boomer kids than you can imagine – often four to six kids per 1500 sq ft, all sharing a single bathroom] is now almost a slum.
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I grew up in a 1400 square foot house – in an end-of-the-rail-line suburb surrounded by apple orchards. My immigrant parents bought the place for $27,000 and thought that was all the money in the world.
The orchards gave way to corporate centers – and upon graduating college, my annual salary was more than they paid for their house. But, I couldn’t afford to live there because starter homes were well north of half a million.
One day, my Dad says – I’m making the last mortgage payment on the house. So for all he’d done for me I insisted on pay it. I took out my checkbook and asked – How much? His fixed rate mortgage was $107.00
When my Dad purchased the house – and sweated every monthly mortgage payment – he probably never imagined that his son would carry that as pocket change – and would still be comparatively worse off. But, over time, I managed much better. While he’s facing a much different world – my son is smarter than me – and I know he’ll do even better.
Faith is incentive enough. Have faith.
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Future-oriented contracts, like home mortgages, are a great idea when you’re on the leading edge of a massive upsurge in demographics, like the Baby Boom, but future-oriented contracts are a catastrophically bad idea when you’re on the trailing [declining] edge of what had been the upsurge.
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The rising size of houses is about price discrimination and keeping section 8 and hud at bay.
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SHHHHHHHHHH!!!
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I noticed women’s expectations increased a lot when Sex and The City came out. In that show Mr.Big gives Carrie an apartment over looking Central Park. There are now tons of women out there who look for a man who can give this. Also since the 1990s the gap between the super rich and the rest has widened considerably. There are a lot more rich people in the world so the stakes have been upped.
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What’s funny is that if I had hundreds of millions, I still wouldn’t give women like the ones in Sex and the City if they came as a package deal an apartment that costs millions. I might splurge and buy her a BMW because I want to see her giddy and jumping up and down out of happiness and because 40,000 wouldn’t mean anything to me, but at least I’d have more taste.
And there aren’t more rich people in the world now if you define rich as someone who affords to give out apartments that overlook Central Park.
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Mr. Big also divorced an elegant and graceful beauty for Ms. Horseyface. No right thinking man would have done that.
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Are you suggesting the solution to the marriage crisis may be to “redistribute the wealth” to the other “99%” ? But how can a liberal solution help conservative culture? I thought capitalism and lower taxes solves every problem in the world and makes us all good, greedy “Christians”.
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I wonder how much of a hand the automobile industry has in rising house prices. The bigger they get, the farther apart they become, the lower the population density becomes, the less viable neighborhood sores become; soon all shopping is out on the highways in hideous strip malls that are organized around being driven to: an ongoing cycle of further automobile dependence.
Contrast this with neighborhoods of closely-built 1500-SF homes where kids can easily walk to each other’s houses, with schools and parks and the neighborhood drugstore all within walking distance.
My wife and I have bad eyesight and cannot drive, and feel like outcasts in most of the USA. We could have done just fine in 1960 even in a suburb. Today? We have no place in society.
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Accord to the GSS (2010-2014 data), for men aged 25-32:
Whites: 34% married; 3% divorced/separated; 62% never married.
Blacks: 17% married; 7% divorced/separated; 76% never married.
Other (mostly Asian): 22% married; 78% never married.
Hispanic (all races): 51% married; 9% divorced/separated; 40% never married.
Race makes a considerable difference.
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Some of my most prescient observations end up there. Might as well jerk off for all the satisfaction that brings me.
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Why, that’s a great idea! I think i’ll pursue it immediately !
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HA HA!
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I understand the sentiment but lay off the 50+ guys will ya? I popped virgin bush at 50 and have had a hell of a decade as I push 60 and intend to die in the saddle. Yeah I am inebriated much of the time to drown my existential angst but still wake up with a massive woodie every morning.
Took ForeignBride to “Santa Fe” last weekend, saw two instances of sugar-daddies and their post-adolescent squeezes. One gave me a knowing smirk as we approached the bar.
The pros know how it works.
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What is SCALE? I’ve seen this in several Redpill forums but it it’s never defined. I thought I’d heard all the acronyms by now.
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Let Pleasureman enlighten you:
http://www.mpcdot.com/forums/topic/155-the-limits-of-human-scale/
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Its the thing womyn avoid because it is raperiarchical.
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Hello YaReally, HADB, Walawala…so been a while since my last encounter. If you remember this story http://yareallyarchive.com/2015/2/, back on Feb. 17 you had some good advice. Which I planned to implement.
Well things did not go so well. I came back the following week but on a different day of the week on Wednesday, and the bartender was not there. However her bartender friend who was almost as cute. Came over and excitedly greeted me and we chatted a little and she said “you were not here on Monday, that is the day “we” thought you would come in. Interesting comment so I told her I am usually in this city on Wednesdays. So another week goes by and I come in again on Wednesday and sure enough she is there looking great. It was busy and about the time I sit down this 65 YO dude sits right next to me and starts talking.
So my girl comes over to greet me and when she says hello the dude next to me shouts out hello. Not in an intentional cock blocking kind of a way but in a needy please talk to me way that results in the cockblock anyway. It was almost comical if it was not happening to me. How it was like someone sent this dude to sit down next to me and never stop talking and constantly harassing all the bartenders, just desperate for attention. Of course I could not get a word in edgewise. I looked for another seat there were none. Matter of fact at one point my girl even made a little joke to me and said with a snide smile looks like you have made a new friend. It was not good. So no opportunity to talk or escalate so I left after a couple of hours. It was frustrating as hell. Also during that night she mentioned she had “a somewhat boyfriend” to the PITA dude next to me but obviously where I could hear it. I know hot chicks always have someone. So this did not necessarily bother me.
Now I had two weeks of travel and could not get back there. But last night I finally made it. Logistics were good weather was good. I know some of the people who work there the gay bartender came over and talked for a while. But the girl I am after was there and was friendly but would not talk. And I could not just chase her around the bar. We chatted quickly a couple of times but could not get her to show the interest of before. Then there were three specific instances where she was talking to other dudes at other locations. I am taking this as a rejection. What do you think? It was a big disappointment. Not sure I did anything wrong other than let too much time go by. So my question is should I just forget about this chick? Has it been too long? I know women are creatures of what is happening in the moment to them. Is this the case? Am I looking like a goofball going there several times in a row and now it is just stale. I have been kicking myself every since last night.
I am still approaching cold in other locations and venues and it is hard. Very hard but I am making small progress. I am in a bit of a dryspell at the moment so maybe that is affecting my vibe?
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@Reco – I face similar circumstances with travel and regulars in service situations. You played it ok, got blocked [hate these fuckers like this] and right again about you can’t chase her. I chalk it up to windows… windows always opening and closing. Attraction going up and down. It’s hard to pick up where you left off, the bubble is burst.
One thing that may have worked better is the first time you went back, calling her over when attraction was still obvious [away from the cockblocker] and tell her you need to split you just came to grab her number and going from there. More direct.
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@reco – one other note. In your earlier post you mentioned this girl was 29 and had a kid. Major issues around this. Just be aware for a single mom, sex is an accessory, not a must have. So maybe the first couple of times you saw her, she was free and easy. but a month or two down the road, she has a quasi beta bucks boyfriend in her sights (and if she is as hot as you say, she always will) and wants to extract on this. Well what are you offering at this point? You fly in and out and are married. She has a kid to feed and she tends bar. Do the math…
Better of sniping at your hotel bar. Solid logistics and good targets. Any single in a bar after 9PM is DTF. Your game is the deciding factor.
But I hear you, to press the envelope of game, you need to try the edges. So instead of easy snipes, bars, clubs, day game etc. This builds your skills but pushes back the short term rewards.
Have fun.
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> “I left after a couple of hours” HOURS?!? You should have left after MINUTES. Hanging around for hours makes you look pathetic. Grab her ear, get her number, give her your number, and tell her to call you when her shift is over. Then LEAVE – get the heck outta Dullsville. Fake the abundance mentality til you make it. You are the Prize – make her chase you!
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but don’t use game… right Cap’n?
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My objections: 1) Using Game purposelessly [as an exercise in nihilism]. 2) The fact that we have a dominant anti-culture which has bred some many spergtarded xBox/xHamster addicts that Game needs a “comfort” subroutine to guide them in faking an emotional response when they are lying in bed next to a naked woman.
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Just so you know. I am doing this out of my own desire to gain further freedom in my life and so When I see I woman I want to be able to approach anytime anywhere. It is certainly not my primary purpose.
As for the other stuff. I don’t play any video games and restrict my teenage son from playing them too much. I rarely watch TV. And I routinely spend two nights a week away from home. And yes I have had more than my share of women. Just want to be able to get them on my terms.
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Reco, if you still want to hit on the chicks in that bar, then after your most recent sit-down for “hours” [with nothing to show for it], you need to make yourself scarce for a while – I’d recommend at least a month. No way in h*ll do you want to make yourself look like a “regular” loser. Now is the time to disappear for a while.
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@Reco
ya, that ‘couple hours’ jumped out right off the page…lol…you should have just left (after getting her number, of course…) or AMOGed the guy…instead, he AMOGed you…
“Well things did not go so well. I came back the following week but on a different day of the week on Wednesday, and the bartender was not there. However her bartender friend who was almost as cute.”
did you game her?…get her number?…if not, why not…serious question…threesomes gotta come from somewhere…lol…plates are where you find them…plus my first thought when i read that was ‘preselection competition’ v. the girl you were hoping to meet…lol…(yes, i think i’ve come quite far in my progress from an aspergery wallflower, thank you very much…lol…)
“Came over and excitedly greeted me and we chatted a little and she said “you were not here on Monday, that is the day “we” thought you would come in. Interesting comment so I told her I am usually in this city on Wednesdays.”
that’s a great sign…she’s ‘chasing you’ at this point…even if she’s not there…
“So another week goes by and I come in again on Wednesday and sure enough she is there looking great.”
still good…
“It was busy and about the time I sit down this 65 YO dude sits right next to me and starts talking.
So my girl comes over to greet me and when she says hello the dude next to me shouts out hello. Not in an intentional cock blocking kind of a way but in a needy please talk to me way that results in the cockblock anyway. It was almost comical if it was not happening to me. How it was like someone sent this dude to sit down next to me and never stop talking and constantly harassing all the bartenders, just desperate for attention.”
this was very alpha of him, was it not…lol…how do you know he wasn’t intentionally cock blocking…did HE get her number?…lol
“Of course I could not get a word in edgewise. ”
beta tell…see below…
“I looked for another seat there were none.”
staying in place = beta tell (don’t want to offend the ‘stranger’…OR don’t want to AMOG him bc he’s old…lol…)
“Matter of fact at one point my girl even made a little joke to me and said with a snide smile looks like you have made a new friend.”
that’s where you were completely burned…
“It was not good. ”
no kidding…lol…
“So no opportunity to talk or escalate so I left after a couple of hours.”
…a couple of HOURS…what this looks like from her perspective was that you waited around JUST to get a chance to TALK to her (maybe) = chasing her = beta…she could tell you weren’t having a good time talking to this new guy (girls pick up subcomms pretty well…lol)
“It was frustrating as hell. Also during that night she mentioned she had “a somewhat boyfriend” to the PITA dude next to me but obviously where I could hear it. I know hot chicks always have someone. So this did not necessarily bother me.”
it should have…if she was really into you at that point it wouldn’t have come up, yet…was HE getting her number?…lol…why else would the bf subject come up with him if he wasn’t hitting on her…lol… or this was her subcomms to tell you to take off…bc she’s “not available”…my guess would be that the “bf” didn’t come up the last time she saw you…lol…also, when she told him about the bf she told him ‘a somewhat bf’…so, she was at least a little interested in his game…lol…(or working for a tip…)
“Now I had two weeks of travel and could not get back there. But last night I finally made it. Logistics were good weather was good. I know some of the people who work there the gay bartender came over and talked for a while. But the girl I am after was there and was friendly but would not talk.”
she doesn’t need another beta orbiter right now, that’s why…try back next month…she might let you buy her something..lol…
“And I could not just chase her around the bar.”
at this point it would at least be consistent…lol
“We chatted quickly a couple of times but could not get her to show the interest of before. ”
ya don’t say…
“Then there were three specific instances where she was talking to other dudes at other locations. I am taking this as a rejection.”
good call…take the lesson and move on…
“What do you think? It was a big disappointment. Not sure I did anything wrong other than let too much time go by.”
see above…
“So my question is should I just forget about this chick?”
yes…spin more plates…
“Has it been too long? I know women are creatures of what is happening in the moment to them. Is this the case? Am I looking like a goofball going there several times in a row and now it is just stale. I have been kicking myself every since last night.”
see above…
“I am still approaching cold in other locations and venues and it is hard.”
good…it gets easier the more you do it…
“Very hard but I am making small progress. ”
props on continuing to put in the work…pua is a perishable skill…practice as often as you can…even if you don’t take a girl back to your hotel room (or even have the logistics for that) you should always be practicing…remember, ABG = always be gaming…lol…just opening girls or getting their numbers is good enough to keep you in practice…
“I am in a bit of a dryspell at the moment so maybe that is affecting my vibe?”
probably…see above…ABG…thanks for posting your efforts…props on putting in the work…you aren’t the only one that has been in a situ like this, so men reading this can use this example for a reference point…this shit isn’t easy… for most of us, anyway…CO seems to have it covered naturally, but the rest of us have to work at it…you’re still doing fine…the only time you will have lost, is when you stop trying…
good luck!
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@HABD thanks for the criticism. I really feel like sometimes to stop trying. And I see what Sentient said about open windows. I have sure let a lot of those go by. You are right this shit ain’t easy.
I honestly do think the dude was Amogging me. He was old and needy and nice and strange. There was nothing attractive about him.
Tomorrows another day. Once more into the breech.
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@Reco
“So no opportunity to talk or escalate so I left after a couple of hours.”
If you left and he was still there, he sabotaged you after you left. Judging by his lack of social calibration it was likely in the loud “wow that guy really has a crush on you hey! Is that guy your boyfriend??” way where everyone can hear him and she gets embarrassed etc.
Classic move, everyone gets burned by it here and there. Hell I use it myself all the time lol
Only way to really prevent that one is to outlast the guy, that’s why these are the most annoying dudes, because the guy usually has nothing else going on in his life and can hang out there right till 2am…he’s not gonna GET the girl and they’re going to think he’s a complete loser, but he doesn’t care and he can make sure YOU can’t get her.
I’m guessing this is what happened because it sounds like she was still into you when he was sitting there and nothing you wrote is any kind of red flag to me. Like even her calling him your new friend etc as a bartender she knows he’s not your friend she’s making fun of him and letting you know that she feels bad for you, like that’s all “still into you”. So nothing in your report would cause her to 180 like that…which, to me, indicates that something happened after you left, and if this guy was talking about subjects that made her mention having a boyfriend then he sounds just socially retarded enough and annoying enough to have sat there and fucked your shit up after you left.
I don’t think it’s related to how long it took you to make a move at all, like in terms of grabbing her number and hanging out. Everything you described sounded like you had attraction that night. It would be unsual for her to suddenly slot you as an Orbiter and 180 like that when you two barely even got to talk that night…maybe if you were sitting there alone for 4 hours and she hinted to ask for her number and you missed the window then sure, but nothing you described sets off flags to me.
But on the subject of time-frames, bailing right away would have been a decent move in that hopefully you don’t end up on the guy’s radar as a conversation topic for after you leave (like if you sit beside him for a couple hours then leave after he’s seen her comment to you etc., you’re the first thing he’s gonna talk to her about…if you were on your way out as he sat down he wouldn’t be likely to register you as a conversation piece he would just focus on his own shitty attempts to woo her lol).
Either way, once you end up on that guy’s radar, you’re in a tough spot. You can “girl-code” with her like she did with you where you make eye contact and tool the guy without being blatant about it…like raise your eye-brows “gonna be a long night tonight” where she knows you’re making fun of the guy but he doesn’t pick up on it.
The best move would probably have been a combo of some girl-code plus leaving quickly. Like as soon as you realize he’s one of “those” guys and he does something super uncalibrated like hitting on her or where she comes over to say “looks like you’ve made a friend”, you lock eyes and girl-code with “ya, lucky me, but suddenly I’m not so thirsty I think I’ll pass the pain and suffering on to YOU tonight lol, how much do I owe you?”
That’s something where you have a “secret connection” about what a tool the guy is and it’s a bit of a tease/jerk thing to be like “well good luck with this shit I’m out lol” and you’re out of there hopefully before he realizes he should try to fuck your shit up, etc.
But ya, tough situ all around. Fuckin hate those guys, I’ve been stuck with them myself.
Far as recovery goes it’s hard to say. Drop in again in a month and see what happens, but without knowing what happened exactly it’s hard to say how to recover.
Props for going in there with the intent to try though. All that stuff about them talking about what day you come in etc. was good. It sounds like you had legit attraction.
Keep at it, the game is full of highs and lows. The highs make the lows worth it lol
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Also far as motivation and giving up goes: You had a fun little adventure flirting it up with a hot bartender chick who talks about you with her other bartender chick friend about what day they’ll get to see you, and from all indications if this guy hadn’t been there you probably could’ve pulled and banged her…what are your peers your age up to? Being fat and hoping their fat wife puts out a sad duty-handjob this month? 😉
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Dude I laughed so fucking hard. Woke my wife up in the other room. And you are about right. That is what my peers are doing. Absolutely nothing. A couple of years ago it would be me in that handjob scenario. Now my wife would not even dare to offer some shit like that. Only way I’m getting a handjob from her is in a semi public place where we would get caught if we were fucking.
And I do need to look at the bright side. A couple of years ago getting as far as I did flirting and having fun with a couple of very hot bartenders would have been the highlight of my week.
But now I want more. I want to be able to develop my skill to the point of actually getting these types of girls. And even that desire that sense of entitlement is a testament to my progress. Because before this was not even part of my reality. Now it is getting closer and more real, and my expectations have grown with it.
Your help has been awesome, you guys keep me moving forward.
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@Reco
considering YaReally’s scenario (I hadn’t looked at it like that…and rereading it she could still be interested, but having some ASD…) you are either burned as a beta for sure, or not…either way, you could still try to turn it around (and you know that’s going to be my recommendation… always)…it’s a long game view, but what else are you going to be doing…lol…just fit it in around the rest of your life (like you should be doing anyway = abundance mentality).
if she’s still interested, she’s ignoring you bc ASD (and she’s sensitive to the opinions of her coworkers)…that’s why that ‘classic’ move works…lol…ALL cockblocking is based off ASD on some level (even bf destroyer game…)…so, you will need to diffuse that first…but it’s a lot harder when you don’t have her invested in you enough to be texting/arranging a date, yet. the goal is still to get her to believe that she isn’t being judged by anyone for thinking about having sex with you…
heres a game plan…in about a month, go back to the bar when your girl isn’t working…chat with the gay bartender. bring up the guy who burned you in a concerned way. ask about if he has any friends, does he come in here a lot, etc. let it slip that you tried to get to know him (and you kept it up for a couple of hours bc you always like to meet new people and haven’t ever really failed to get to know anybody once you get into their business deep enough) but that you just couldn’t get through that guy’s shell and it was painful…lol…then change the subject, talk some more then leave. just work it in, so it isn’t the main reason you came in, although it really is…lol…
what should happen is that he will talk about that with your girl…(i’ve worked at shitty jobs before, so i know how valuable killing 10 minutes of ‘boring’ is…lol…) that should erase any ‘he was just waiting for me to just talk to me’ doubts she had…
wait a couple of weeks and go back in when the other girl should be working (but your girl won’t be working) and chat her up (you see where this is going, right?…lol). Flirt with HER and escalate HER…as if you were already over the first girl…boom…instant preselection…lol…don’t forget to get her number…(escalate her as if the first girl didn’t exist…it’s great practice, and you did say she was cute, too, right?)
wait a month and go back when your target should be working…ignore the ‘bad’ evening as well as the last time you went in when she wouldn’t flirt with you (if it comes up, just ignore and change the subject)…engage her without sexualizing and in fact ask her about the other girl (that you are now flirting with…). then, let her ‘win’ by something she does to earn you (classic pua…) and continue as if the current set back didn’t happen…
unless YaReally has a better game plan…or some tweaks to this one…lol…
again, props on putting in the work…and i was in that Louis CK situ, too…before game, anyway…lol…
good luck!
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@Reco
Happy to help, ’cause you put in the work. Plus you succeeding helps me reinforce to myself that I’ll be just fine when I’m your age, ’cause if you’re getting attraction etc. from these kinds of chicks then I won’t have a prob.
@habd
“heres a game plan…in about a month, go back to the bar when your girl isn’t working…chat with the gay bartender. bring up the guy who burned you in a concerned way. ask about if he has any friends, does he come in here a lot, etc. let it slip that you tried to get to know him (and you kept it up for a couple of hours bc you always like to meet new people and haven’t ever really failed to get to know anybody once you get into their business deep enough) but that you just couldn’t get through that guy’s shell and it was painful…lol…then change the subject, talk some more then leave. just work it in, so it isn’t the main reason you came in, although it really is…lol…”
nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Don’t do this. That guy doesn’t exist to you. Never mention him ever again lol Don’t give him any value by remembering he even exists. If she was like “ya your buddy told me–” and you go “huh? what buddy?” “your friend you were here with that one time”, you go “lol what? oh that drunk guy? lol no I don’t know who the fuck that was. Old creepy guys just sit down and chat me up. It weirded me out but I’m a polite guy so I didn’t want to tell him to go away. I think he had a crush on you lol” and anything in her head that was negative about you thru him is destroyed…
…but the key is she has to bring it up. If you bring it up it looks like you’re defending yourself.
But like I say, she may not even think he’s your friend or anything, she knows dudes like that just bother other people cuz they have nothing to do, a bartender sees those types every night and usually they’re the ones that have to deal with it, she knows that’s not your buddy.
But he could’ve done stuff like “man that guy really has a crush on you lol he kept checkin out your ass, he told me he wanted to stick his tongue in it lol” or “man that guy told me he was married and his wife is cheatin on him so he’s in here trying to find some college pussy to get back at her lol” like just fuckin’ anything, you’ll never know. Those guys are usually total wildcards and don’t care about social ineptness or making things awkward for people or people thinking they’re losers.
lol at the handjob stuff. Focus on the bright sides. It’s really easy to forget how far you’ve come on a bad night in the game. All you dwell on is the bad part and forget that like, ya you got shot down by a 9 but a couple years ago you couldn’t even TALK to a 9. And like you say it’s a good indicator that your standards and expectations for yourself are rising…you feel ENTITLED to a girl like that, you were gonna walk in there fully expecting to fuck this hot bartender chick. That’s pretty badass compared to your buddies going home to their sad reluctant handjobs lol
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@YaReally
“nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Don’t do this. That guy doesn’t exist to you. Never mention him ever again lol Don’t give him any value by remembering he even exists. If she was like “ya your buddy told me–” and you go “huh? what buddy?” “your friend you were here with that one time”, you go “lol what? oh that drunk guy? lol no I don’t know who the fuck that was. Old creepy guys just sit down and chat me up. It weirded me out but I’m a polite guy so I didn’t want to tell him to go away. I think he had a crush on you lol” and anything in her head that was negative about you thru him is destroyed…
…but the key is she has to bring it up. If you bring it up it looks like you’re defending yourself.”
good point…
@Reco
“Now I had two weeks of travel and could not get back there. But last night I finally made it. Logistics were good weather was good. I know some of the people who work there the gay bartender came over and talked for a while. But the girl I am after was there and was friendly but would not talk. And I could not just chase her around the bar. We chatted quickly a couple of times but could not get her to show the interest of before. Then there were three specific instances where she was talking to other dudes at other locations. ”
so, just treat this incident like a flake (even though she was in the same room/location as you)…just ignore it, unless she brings it up again (then dismiss it)…and keep up the interactions…and see what happens…
good luck!
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Still one in mod…. Short version – to ramp up success quickly, focus on the 1 sets in your hotel bar. Very, very high success rate. Great logistics.
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I have started to do this just the last couple of weeks. What an untapped source waiting to be…um..tapped.
Matter of fact after I left the bar on the night above. I went to my hotel lobby bar for a while. No prospects but a cute Latina bartender worked on her a little and definetly sparked something up but then two fucking nerds came up and would not leave us alone. But I will be back.
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reply in Mod as well, obviously lol
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@yareally HABD and Sentient thanks for the advice. I will give it a little time and try again. Got a couple of others to work on plus I have a long trip coming up so hat means lots of hotel lobby bars to prowl around in.
Report back In a little while.
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Whenever a guy interjects himself into your stuff, tool him until he leaves you alone. If you’re smart enough and not take it personal, you can get people all emotional and looking like idiots.
Dismiss everything he says in a humorous way. The bartender being young, you could have played up the age gap(e.g. if he said he once went sky diving with the US president, ask him if Teddy Roosevelt was in office when that happened). And you should have called him out on what he’s doing. Should have asked your bartender friend what’s her opinion on marriages with large age gaps and sort of angle it in a way like that guy is proposing to her. And after you diminished him in her eyes, if he didn’t piss off, you should have just left and say that you promised someone you’ll go shopping with them or that you must get to your hotel room and shower because you plan on having dinner with a friend.
Generally though, you should have had her number. Then you could have texted her ‘how’s my weirdo friend doing?’ followed by this:
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Two weeks later she was on her period. Give it another two weeks then be more direct.
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@Reco I am in a bit of a dryspell at the moment so maybe that is affecting my vibe?
I was on the ferry today, dressed like I usually do on Saturday’s: shorts and was carting groceries….suddenly, hot, young girl in her 20’s sits beside me alone.
I looked up—normally some fat old dude is sitting next to me.
I was at a loss to open her. I couldn’t think of a single thing to say and with all my crap I “felt” like I would be hitting on her and it totally threw my inner game for a loop.
So yes, I understand the idea. But how I overcome this is by not over-thinking too much about this.
You’re at a stage in your game where I was 2 years ago where you’re thinking and over-thinking every move. I think the best way is to chill, laugh it off.
Girl shit-tests you: “Made a new friend?” You: “yah, they let him out of the ward once a week…” or some shit like this…
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“HI.”
Just say “Hi,” mahfah.
You know what to do?
Say “Hi.” It’s not complicated, I recommend, you say…
Non-needy, suggestive because NO CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE has issued permission and no financial purpose can be extracted therefor it is a CRIMINAL ACT and she’ll get a boner.
“Hi,” mahfah, “Hi.”
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Excellent advice, especially that last paragraph.. There’s no need to be a bitter beta-boy and hide away from the world. Instead, use the decline to your advantage. Take what you need. There are still plenty of attractive girls out there worth gaming and banging. Riding the tiger doesn’t have to be a joyless endeavour. Face the sun, poolside.
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And by doing so, one can be an example for others to follow. Then they tell 2 friends and so on. . .(still have some optimism.)
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I read Clarey’s “Enjoy the Decline” and very much, well, enjoyed it.
A conflict I imagine some red pill aware men have is choosing a life of hedonism and even nihilism or of nobility (or such words) and even following Christ. Both are of men leading a life on his terms, however these approaches conflict, and there’s no fine line to walk in the middle.
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There are still NAWALT chicks, like Michelle Ruark Duggar, who will walk the walk with you. Use Game towards a noble and purposeful end, by finding one of those chicks and making her your own.
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Cap’n – how many white babies did you father?
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Women, sex and relationships are boring after a while incomprehensible as it seems.
It doesn’t make up for everything else.
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I’d stick to a life of martial arts, than chained to some church lady.
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My dream would be to live in semi seclusion in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Oregon, or Utah.
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Wyoming is looking pleasant. Have heard great things about Montana, specifically Kalispell.
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The downside is there aren’t many jobs in the lesser populated areas.
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@Waffles and mendo. The battle for those areas is on. No White “Christian” area is permitted, not even in the remote mountains. Here’s something on the situation in Kalispell where YKW, having fucked up the places they abandoned,are now trying to recreate the mess in the Rockies.
http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2014/11/the-worm-turns.html
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Oregon is fucking otherworldly beautiful. I’d move there tomorrow if it wasn’t for the ridiculous amount of gray, rainy days.
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oregon is nice as long as you stay well outside of the portland metro area. even vancouver is getting bad. angry ugly women everywhere. i guess it’s all the rain…lol.
but in the other areas of oregon the people are much different. i actually met a great lady at a party recently who was from a smaller town just south of portland. she was on the conservative side but still fun and easy going. very sweet and dressed really nice. just my type. from what i can tell, most of her friends and family are like that too.
despite what people think, most people in oregon are not like the people who live in portland.
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True. Armison’s comedy isn’t called “Oregonia”.
I loved cruising around the Willamette Valley a few years ago. I joked with my girlfriend that there was no way we were having sex in a place that smelled so fertile.
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Oregon is garbage, the rest are decent non-shitlibby hwhyte states
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Spare me the objections in advance. I’ve lived in the Medford area, Roseburg, Eugene, Salem, and Portland, and have stayed in eastern Oregon for extended periods. It is full of white-trash, faggot strivers, and SJWs from your worst nightmare. Terrible fate given how pretty the state is otherwise.
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You see? The heart of this country knows that the evil leftists who are now in control, pushing a ludicrous narrative control re: gay marriage and feminism, are evil and wrong. We get it. We fight where we can.
https://www.gofundme.com/memoriespizza
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No.
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at 21, already with the thousand cock stare.
oink
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She does look a little crazed there…
cluck
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she looks 40
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And at 25, she’ll be >200 lbs.
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Also, just found out she’s from Massachusetts. New England: just like the old England in its quality of women.
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Every male actor in that video is gay.
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They’d have to be!
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Or, at the very least, reinforce the relevance of that “Beta Or Gay?” column that was on here a couple of weeks ago.
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Thanks for the warning.
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What makes it so objectionable is that she’s taken a certain cherished musical sound (Dusty Springfield- “Wishin’ and Hopin'” and Marcie Blane- “Bobby’s Girl”) and turned their anti-feminist message (“wear you hair just for him,” “do the things he likes to do,” “I wanna be Bobby’s girl..that’s the most important thing to me…and if I was Bobby’s girl, if I was, Bobby’s girl, what a faithful, thankful girl I’d be”) and turned them on their head.
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She gives her own warning with two lines in the song:
“I can’t cook … but … treat me like a lady”
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@ Kate its seems like every line is a direct reaction to something original in another 60’s rock n roll song. It is pathetic. And it is typical.
She actually does not know what she wants she is a woman. So she takes this feminist bullshit and spouts it back out in a ripoff of a specific sound that she could not have thought up in the first place.
So she steals from the original artists, for the sound and then parrots the feminist diatribes.
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Kate, that’s a beautiful photo of you and your husband. You are much prettier since marrying him. I’m very happy for you.
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Ok that’s annoying. Part of me agrees on why men don’t marry. Wonen do tend to reward jerks and no good men with sex and loyalty and then expect to be married to men who (generally are good guys) to work for all the things she gave to the losers in her life for free.
I get it and as a woman admit that a lot if women do this.
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That’s a huge bitch. How big is she?
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That’s gotta be a yenta, if she’s really only 21.
I grew up in NYC and environs and every girl I ever saw with that girth at such a young age, yet smug I’m-a-prize look in the eye, was tribal.
Not to mention the nasally voice.
In which case, surprise, surprise… at the video, the fame, the entire package.
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Nah, just a Nantucket whale.
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She grew up Methodist. I just looked it up.
You ever get tired of being yourself?
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We’re talking racial here, StraponWithin. I don’t care what her ancestors may or may not have converted to.
And as far as that “tired of being yourself” snark, well… you got three of your own fingers pointing back at you, clown.
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No way in hell that ratfaced creature is not a yenta. The fact that that zero talent hooknose is a “star” is just more proof. No real talent scout would not next that thing after ten seconds.
The White man destroying plot of the “song” is just icing on the cake.
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To be honest, I hear no reminiscence of sixties girl singers there… her nasally whine sounds just the the hundred other pitch-controlled modern “divas” of the past generation. And the production values don’t even come close to the likes of Springfield, Gore, Francis, et. al., let alone the minor voices like the chick who sang Bobby’s Girl or Blue Navy.
Next.
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Andreas Lubitz at @2:01
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She’s ugly
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There will be no future husband. She needs to write a song called “Dear Future Cats”…
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3rd and final comment of the day:
“Leftoids hate mom & pop shops and suck megacorp Apple’s pozzed cock. “Friend of the working man” amirite? http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/04/01/indiana-pizza-shop-gets-set-up-by-local-reporter-instantaneous-national-moonbattery-ensues/ …”
They do this while claiming to be against “big business.” Complete ignorance. They are slaves, doing as their masters have taught them to do.
We all know exactly who the masters are and why they have done this.
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So how high will that number reach for the 20-34 bracket in the coming years? 75% 80% 85%?
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“Feed your heart,
starve the beast.”
So let it be written. . . so let it be done.
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In America at least, the fact that a man has married in the last 15 years is prima facie evidence of incompetence.
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“No man wants to slave away to buy a 2,000sq ft mcmansion for a blob.”
I refuse to slave away to but a mcmansion for a size 0 HB10. HB pleasures are free these days thanks to our culture. Why buy the cow a house when so much good milk flows for free?
Why spend most of your waking hours doing something that destroys your soul just for the sake of occasional boring nookie from the same boring nagging woman because no matter how hot she is you will get bored with her and she will nag you and then take said house and half your stuff.
so many boring nagging women think having the perfect house will make them happy and maybe then their drive will return and they’ll want to bone but they were perfectly happy giving up nightly in college in a dumpy apartment with no “open concept” or “high end finishes” or “stainless steel appliances” to a guy with no career, a crappy car and concrete blocks for furniture.
Forget them and their list of must haves. Just come to CH and bone up on your skittles man skillz and get your smash on.
““The nation is too big, diversity too overbearing, community too shattered, women too morally base, for me to feel any sort of connection or duty toward it.””
The nation used to be big when driving across the country meant exploring many, many different sub cultures. Now it is all homogenized and with only a few exceptions living in norcal is very similar to living in north carolina.
And there are upsides to the community being shattered. You don’t need an excuse not to talk to your nosy neighbor anymore and no one is watching you ready to report your behavior to your family because they don’t know them. Annonimity has its pluses, especially for scumbag cooz hounds.
Women have been morally base since eve. I’m actually starting to love the hamster because once you get it working for you things are so easy and filthy freaky good. My new mantra is “love the hamster, love the hamster”.
Duty as applied here is a made up concept to benefit those pulling the strings and collecting the taxes. Your only duty is to yourself and your children. Every other token of goodwill towards others, especially your baby mama, should be a strategic action to advance your cause.
I think 2015 is a blast. Look for the good in a situation and you will find it. This is the best time to be alive in the history of the world.
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Seventy per cent of men ages 20-35 not getting married isn’t so bad for men considering the current state of women but it’s not good for society as a whole. A lot of these women that men aren’t marrying are still having children and single moms are much more likely to end up on welfare. Every year there’s more of these women and fewer productive males left for the government to extract taxes from. Whatever you might think about the fifties, that type of society was sustainable in the long term with almost all women having children also having a breadwinner husband. The current situation of increasing numbers of welfare moms isn’t sustainable at all.
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Since we’re discussing statistics, gaze your eyes and hearts upon these alarming predictions:
http://www.voanews.com/content/coming-demographic-shift-will-strengthen-us-culture/2701759.html
“The U.S. Census Bureau estimates that by 2045, the United States will have a population of some 389 million people. And for the first time in the nation’s history, the majority of people living in the U.S. will be non-white.”
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/04/02/study-muslims-to-outnumber-christians-worldwide-at-2070/
“Shifts in the world’s major religions will see Islam growing faster than any other faith, with the number of Muslims nearly equaling that of Christians by 2050.”
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I have friends and relatives who share marriage details with me. I observe married couples. And there is no way any objective analysis of this information could lead me to marriage. Majority of men also have access to this info…
The whole myth, and it is a myth, that married men are happier healthier etc etc is complete nonsense. Also why would any White Man want to raise children in this country today? They will grow up to be the hated White economical dominant minority by the majority non-White parasite majority. F marriage and this country.
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I have been watching marriage statistics for a while now and I note that male age has not changed that much but female age increased a year or two over the past 100 years. There was a dip, pressuring ages downward, in war times. However, the expense of weddings just continues to go up. Meanwhile, debt is climbing from student loans and wages have stagnated. In the past your 26 year old male was more wealthy than he is now. Most of the wedding expense probably falls on women’s families. For your everyday family I imagine it is a huge burden. It causes a delay in marriage, with delay comes female aging and fattiness, and with aging and female fattiness comes increased odds of separation (I imagine). The other side to this decline is simply that the culture doesn’t really care about it anymore. You are urged to wait and wait and then suddenly you find you are too old anymore.
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[…] I look at their ‘advice’ – in this case from the latest post at Chateau Heartiste – and yet I look at the world and here is what I see, and […]
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Field report from a date with a 40-yr-old Czech woman, former model-turned-nurse.
I know, I know. Recipe for a ball-buster. What was I doing with her? Answer: Practice. I literally wanted to practice various seduction techniques.
She showed up even more hostile than I’d expected. Here were my responses in chronological order:
A) Aloof. Body language aloof. Looked away from her. Shrugged. It didn’t stimulate attraction. Not enough perceived value, so…
B) Talked casually about my weightlifting regimen. Briefly mentioned my career accomplishments. Dropped a few hints about the number of other women who’ve wanted me. She didn’t care about any of it, so …
C) Went beta. Leaned forward, listened attentively to her ranting about everybody and everything. Nodded sympathetically. I realized that I was watching a woman in the midst of a full and complete collision with The Wall. (A beautiful woman dies twice.)
I finished her wine and said let’s bounce. On the sidewalk outside the bar, I finally went…
D) Full-on asshole. I ripped apart her body for all its imperfections. I told her she looked tired. I told her she was an unhappy person. I told her that she probably wasn’t worth spending time with. I told her she was single for a reason.
And then, only then, was there a glimmer of interest in her eyes.
Fucking hell. I get why older men avoid many 40+ women like the plague. Add a communist childhood and a divorce, and this woman was toxic.
Will. Not. Bang.
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‘“Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood,”’
Yeah, I hate it when the steer refuses to be deballed and then march down the slaughter chute so I can eat him for dinner. The nerve of that fucker.
‘After decades of feminism, Crouse noted that young men are now the ones who set the parameters for intimate relationships, and those increasingly do not include a wedding ring.
“And I know the feminists just yell and scream if you say anything like this, but time was, girls set the cultural morays, the standards, the parameters for intimate activity. The girls were the ones that set those boundaries. And now it’s the guys who do,” Crouse told CNSNews.com.
“And it’s doubly terrible because the colleges now are predominantly female. So you have some – up to 60 percent of the student bodies are female. And almost all of them are more than 50 percent female. And so the ratio [of] male/female is out of sync.’
So it turns out feminazism was all just a plot by those scheming evil white males to give women exactly what they screeeeched for, and therefore victimize them. Logic.
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Let me get this straight:
Men who don’t marry: immature, irresponsible, lack self-sufficiency
Women who don’t marry: You go grrrrrl!!
Final paragraph nails it:
“Feminism was supposed to bring women happiness,” Crouse said. “But the research shows that women today are much more unhappy then they have been in the past. They’ve ended up with far more opportunities, but their personal happiness is way down.”
Nature remains undefeated.
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You are missing the big picture. In the modern world, marriage is counter-cultural. There is zero support network for your marriage. No church support (most mainstream religions are tripping over themselves to get gays, not families) and don’t count on your jealous family and friends, who will get petty if you buy a new SUV. Hillary Clinton did have a point in “it takes a village” because it does take a supportive environment for a family to survive. Today’s hegemony is adversarial to heterosexual marriage and child rearing, in addition to the objective financial dis-incentives.
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We all must feel special and loved just because
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“One other point which Tom didn’t mention, (but which was strongly implied): Fat, classless, slutty women aren’t high grade investment properties.”
I took a wrong turn on the Internet and stumbled on a thread of guys defending the waifu phenomenon. They echoed the same complaints heard around the manosphere, and argued that their collections of pixels act more like women than actual women do these days. IOW, even omegas are done with the shitcake that feminazis baked.
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a curious question: would any here definitely have sex with a 22 yr old, trashy, blonde, 6 maybe 7, with a child that was willing and eager and easy enough? what if it meant skipping a family tradition?
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No.
Also, because she has a kid, it knocks her down to a “4 maybe 5”.
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good point
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more like 2 or 3 but you are on point
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The kid does not in fact knock her down a point or 2 if all you are doing is having sex with her. If you are looking for an LTR however, the kid caps the woman’s maximum value at a 6.
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If you are looking for an LTR however, the kid caps the woman’s maximum value at a 6.
True. Same if she has dogs, cats, or a horse.
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Totes skip… Fucking 10 with no pointy elbows or nuthin’ bro.
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^^ That kid wasn’t just clueless – he was autistic. He never stood a chance.
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You guys are way into hivemind. Do some research about Simon Astaire, Sebastian de Souza, and Peter Rodger (all guys in hollywood industry, they got even pictures of them together). Or check ERs vids in front of green screen with pixelated render. No way it was not staged. I went into it because I know guy looking exactly like ER and he pulls hottest 9s. I just could not get it . Then looked further to find out it was hoax.
However interesting, when I looked for, (de Souza -actor) ranked high , while his alter ego ER got SMV rank in median of 5/10, that just proves game+status over looks rationale.
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MARTIN: GO FOR IT. Also, get her to show you exactly where and how to rub her clit – some chicks are very particular about how they like their clits massaged. And rub it constantly during coitus – hold her head [== the back of her neck] in the elbow of your weak arm, and massage her clit with the fingers of your strong arm, all while you are mercilessly pounding her birth canal with your mighty erection. PS: What kind of alcohol will you be using to liquor her up with?
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Are you being serious? I suppose champagne if need be, I know which are the good ones.
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Just get some cheap wine and fuck her. No nee to act like a dildo.
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Life is too short to drink sh!tty booze. Drink the good stuff. [BTW, if you’re on a tight budget, prosecco and cava are outstanding less-expensive substitutes for real champagne.] But whatever you drink – beer, wine, vodka, brennivin – get the good stuff. Find a nice match for the food you’ll be eating, and then ENJOY YOURSELF. Just don’t drink so much that you won’t be able to rise to the occasion later that night. A great Playah paces his drinking very slowly and always keeps his wits about him, because he knows that there will come a time towards the end of the evening when he will have to perform. Whereas sloppy drunks never get laid; they just end up sleeping it off in the gutter amidst a pool of their own vomit. Have fun, pace yourself, and keep events moving towards your goal [which should be her goal, too – remember, she WANTS to get f*cked].
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Life is too short to attempt to be an Ubermensch to a trashy blonde.
Don’t have a conversation about her clit.
Don’t buy her good booze.
Do what the fuck you feel like.
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A true Playah wines and dines his woman and leaves her with the best orgasms she’s ever experienced in her life. Shiznat she spends the rest of her life ruminating over, memories which haunt her forever. A dumbf*ck, on the other hand, gets drunk, suffers from impotence, cums prematurely, leaves her with nothing, and six weeks [maybe even six days] later, she can’t even remember his name. Don’t be a dumbf*ck. Be the one she can never forget, no matter how hard she tries to get you out of her head.
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BTW, what I’ve just described – properly wining and dining your woman over the course of several hours, but also pacing yourself, and holding plenty in reserve, then fighting off the exhaustion and rising to the occasion and f*cking her until she cums and cums and cums – that shiznat is HARD WORK. I often feel like most dudes settle for being dumbf*cks and lousy lovers and phone-it-in mates simply out of sheer rank laziness.
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Who really gives a fuck? She’s just some single mother tart of average looks and trashy behavior and she’s your plaything for the evening. Do whatever the heck you want and enjoy yourself.
Exactly, being great in bed is hard work and unless she earns it, she won’t get it. Picking up some other trashy single mother 6 is easier than bothering with pleasing her. With me, it’s simple: if she’d give great head, I’d consider pleasing her. Otherwise, she should just enjoy what I’m doing or not come back. I couldn’t care the less. If pleasing sub par women was my thing, I’d get married.
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Why anyone cares about pleasing a woman?
Just bang her once badly and be done with it.
That way she won’t bother you any more. lol
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No, she’s looking for a man to clean up her mess and her only hook is easy sex.
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“22 yr old, trashy, blonde, 6 maybe 7” + “easy sex” == GO FOR IT!!!!!
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I stand by my first statement. I’ve seen enough of this scenario ending badly for the gentlemen. Trashy women have a way of dumping their trash on you once they get their claws into you.
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earl, i wish I could send you a PM right now. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=PM
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Earl, look at it this way: She’s young, she’s cute, she’s horny, and the very existence of the child proves that she’s pro-life. Plenty to like in this scenario.
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I’m glad she chose life. Every child should have that right.
However this proves she’s a single mother who doesn’t make good decisions and doesn’t care about the well being of the child. Otherwise she would have been married to the father before she brought a child into the world (unless she’s the rare widow case). Each kid deserves that right too. I still wonder why men look past their gut and red flags and just focus on their pleasure to their detriment.
I’ve seen enough about how single mothers work…they are aggressively looking for a guy to snare to clean up their mess. I’ve seen their tactics in real life and online dating. The only real hook they have is sex…and many men fall for it. I’m trying to make you see pass the fog of your emotions to how reality works.
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‘And I discovered more bitter than death the woman whose heart is snares and nets, whose hands are chains. One who is pleasing to God will escape from her, but the sinner will be captured by her.’
Ecc 7:26
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Earl, you’re still not seeing the big picture here.
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‘Earl, you’re still not seeing the big picture here.’
Really I thought I was pointing out the big picture. You are just talking easy sex.
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Wisdom of our fathers… you lay down with trash, you come up smelling like it.
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C’mon guys, get your heads out of your posteriors and see the BIG PICTURE here.
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So you picked all the bits from the comment that fitted your theory, but ignored the economic elements. Unemployment, zero wages growth and rising inequality are almost certainly a bigger driver of this than purely cultural issues.
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Mork – excellent points. People lincreasingly ook down their noses at marriage, 9-5 job, 2 kids and a white picket fence.
But personally, I’d take that anyday of the week over a future of ageing loneliness.
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The economic elements are a direct result of the cultural elements.
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OK, that’s just nonsense. The economic elements have a variety of causes, including: automation, the rise of offshore manufacturing, free trade agreements, the decline of union strength, decreased progressiveness of the income tax system, the “financialization” of the economy, and so on. This is something hats been endlessly studied. We don’t have to guess, or make shit up.
(Btw – to be very clear, many of these things have resulted in higher overall economic growth. But it’s growth that ends up largely in the hands of the already-rich, and hasn’t translated into improved incomes for most).
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Back to the top: “The trend…predates the current recessionary unpleasantness [and] has been going on since the 1960s.”
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When do you think that the continuous upward trend in inequality started?
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The stagnation of median white male income began around 1970, just after the 1965 Immigration Act and the great 1960s cultural assault on the American Family. And around the time that the Gold Window closed forever.
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EXCEPT FOR RICH, AMERICANS’ INCOMES FELL LAST YEAR Most Americans’ incomes continued to fall last year, but the richest 20 percent saw theirs rise, a new Labor Department report showed Thursday… But broken down into quintiles, those in the top 20 percent of incomes saw their money stream grow by 0.9 percent to $166,048 on average. Every other group lost ground, with the bottom 20 percent losing the most: their average income dropped 3.5 percent to $9,818… http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3275273/posts
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Anything else happen in the early 1970s, Captain Obvious? On a purely economic front, unrelated to cultural issues? It’s kinda (sorry) obvious.
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The economic element isn’t the largest problem. First of all, inequality doesn’t matter because what the top 0.1% in wealth do is irrelevant to the lives of most people. Unemployment and stagnant wage growth are problems, but men could work harder to fix their lives in that regard insofar as women were worth it. The problem is that marriage is an idiotic deal. Not only women are obese and suck at everything men would enjoy in a marriage, generally, it’s also a risky affair that might screw up your economic life.
To me, this is simple. Working over 40 hours a week isn’t worth it. I’d rather be alone for the rest of my life and improve meaningless things like learning how to paint and work 30 hours per week than work 70 hours per week and marry and have children. My brother employed the work, marry, have kids route in life. I’m sure the girls I will fuck at 40 will be hotter than his wife will be when he will be 40. Even if I was to kill myself working, I wouldn’t permit my wife to decide how my money is spent because there’s no point in being a dumb slave.
I don’t know anybody who says they don’t want to marry because their job is shit and I have plenty of friends with bad jobs. They don’t want to marry because all of us fucked more than 3 women and learned how they are.
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I have been thinking over and over the last few weeks that one of the solutions to the marriage 2.0 problem and feminism was posted on this site some time ago, maybe most likely by GBFM, maybe just in passing, but it’s genius, easy to explain, Meme worthy and catchy:
NO HYMEN NO DIAMOND
Fuck around and be slut all you want bitches, and I would even bother to judge you anymore, because I really don’t fucking care enough. I’ll buy you a dinner and maybe throw you a pity fuck, but, the fact remains bitches:
NO HYMEN NO DIAMOND
Commit to this, spread the word, and panic will strike their little feminist hearts.
NO HYMEN NO DIAMOND
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Cart before the horse. Tom looks at the challenges of life – and discounts the traditional model. If he had a stunning woman sucking him awake – and fugging him asleep at night – he charge through his work-a-day affairs like a bull.
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That’s a pretty big “if” there, buddy.
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Make a point – you get half a dozen pessimists throwing cold water on it.
Why bother wiping your ass – more shit where that came from. Right Eyore!
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Pessimist these days is someone with two working eyes.
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All that takes is finding a woman who understands how a marriage works, hasn’t been poisoned by the man hating society, education system, or her girlfriends, and actually shows some shred of humility. The traditional model has been harder to find for men because women are being influenced to buck the traditional mode.
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Of course he’d do it if it was worth it, hes saying that it isn’t.
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He lacks perspective. I’ve acquired all the material things he shuns – I nailed being a beta provider. Nailed it – Then I signed it all over to my children. Because I don’t give a sh*t about material things either – but not from a position of weakness.My pride would not allow that.
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Lemme know when you find that unicorn, hoss.
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‘Modern culture to me is spiritually dead, I don’t feel like using my one shot at life running on the never ending treadmill of materialism just because cupcake wants me to, what kind of man would I be then?’
He’s right. This culture promotes spiritual death. And once your spirit is dead, you try to fill the hole with stuff.
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You see it all the time.
“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
“For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.”
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the economy has entered permanent contraction,
Only when it isn’t worthwhile to try to “produce” as it is in this country. I used to have only 5 businesses in the US, now I have 2. But I have opened 7 overseas and expanding. Why? It’s easier to hide money out of the US and plan for bolting.
I figure that very shortly the US will follow the path of Nazi-Germany and start charging people exorbitant “taxes” to leave the US permanently. Basically, that is their play-book, just look at what the Nazi’s did to the Jews – that is the future of productive males in the US. So stay fluid and plan on leaving.
I find it ironic that the best country for business minded men is China – hard to believe, but the women are frickin’ gorgeous and the business environment is what the US used to be back in the 40’s and 50’s when it was booming. Now some people will say, “Yes, but the government can take it from you.” Well, I have news for you – the US is well BEYOND that point. I expect them to take everyone’s money to “redistribute” it any month now…
So if you’re here – only stick around on your terms – don’t listen to anyone else. Enjoy the p*ssy if you’re here, but it’s all over the world – you’ll never go wanting as a man with options, unless you listen to Left-wingnuts…
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We do seem to be headed on that trajectory and good point about the US already taking from people for no reason whatsoever.
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There is no place to run, no place to hide.
You are in the belly of the beast for a reason; stay and give the beast indigestion, break a few ribs and make it cough up its nut sack… you are in a privileged position and this is your finest hour.
Matt
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Real life Don Draper exploits on display as art in New York:
http://www.messynessychic.com/2015/03/25/chronicles-of-an-affair-with-his-secretary-found-in-an-abandoned-suitcase/
Male SJW commenters weep; females generally seem fascinated.
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Jon Hamm steps out after rehab confession with puffy eyes near his Los Angeles home …as Mad Men set to air final seven episodes http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3022573/
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What all you guys are doing is great! Keep up the good work, its scaring the shit out of the enemy. They’ve never had White guys not cooperate here before. It reminds them of Germany.
They need you to kill you. Without your help they’re dead in the water and they can’t swim a lap.
No tatted sack of crap is worth dying for! You can do a whole lot better. After the war, these bitches better make sandwiches and shut up, because the free ride is OVER!
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If you’re hoping to be good at sarcasm, you’re not gonna make it.
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I was wondering what part of:
“no tatted sack of shit is worth dying for”
you consider to be “sarcasm”?
oink
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Preach on, CH! You’re preaching to the choir, though. Everybody knows marriage is a raw deal for men, and it’s been hashed and rehashed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwtjjJhfpKc.
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Amen. Second day in a row I’ve read something here that helped me feel alive and myself again. You just don’t get to do that out there.
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“…the cause of marriage dissolution conveniently neglects to include materialistic, shopping and social media whoring women…”
Yup. My buddy’s wife is inflicting this on him right now. On the surface, he has it all: handsome, chiseled lifeguard looks, six-figure earnings, nicest guy you’ll ever meet…and she has spent them into oblivion with her reckless shopping and consumption. She is (actually ‘was’ before four kids, but at least she did not balloon outwards) hot and he has no game whatsoever. And his reward? She is never happy with a single goddamned thing. She nags constantly, in front of guests, even! It’s beyond anything that I would tolerate; it’s almost infuriating to have to observe it. I should have have a word with him about this, but it may be too late…now they are separated, pending divorce. The man cannot spend half the week in the house he paid for entirely…she earns a pittance, when she feels like working, that is.
Don’t get married. If you really feel that you must, at least don’t do it before you have indestructible game as your ally. Do not allow ANY nagging or spending hemorrhages. The problems will not get better on their own. That level of spending becomes viewed, in the eyes of the law, as the woman’s ‘accustomed lifestyle’ that the discarded man has to support in perpetuity.
I’ll take bachelorhood from here on out, thank you very much…
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I saw a morbidly obese woman talking on her cell phone the other day in a grocery store, cursing at someone because she needed her Madonna T-shirt to wear to a 1980s-themed party later that day. I was thinking that T-shirt should be the least of her worries.
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