An article at Psychology Today titled “What Do Women Really Want?” hits all the Heartistian Realtalk notes. The author sounds like he spent his vacation at Le Chateau, and absconded with a few dusty tomes on his exit for later perusing. Excerpts:
[M]ore recent studies show that [sex] differences in reported number of sexual partners are reduced or disappear altogether if women are told that they are connected to a lie detector and that the information they provide will remain confidential. […]
The female tendency toward a roving eye can also be inferred, according to the work of evolutionary psychologist David Buss, from the very phenomenon of male jealousy, which is common in all societies and consistently related to men’s fears of potential cuckoldry. If women really do not want extra marital sex, then why are men so suspicious and jealous? Why put Stop signs on a street with no traffic?
Women aren’t as naturally promiscuous as men (especially men with options), but neither are they as pure as the wind-driven snow, as white knights and pedestal-polishing betas fervently believe.
Recent studies indicate that the objects of female sexual attraction vary with the menstrual cycle. During their fertile days, women tend to fancy high-testosterone men who are not good candidates for monogamy but have healthy male genes. How many married women secretly act on this impulse is difficult to estimate, but this type of ‘sperm poaching’ appears to be quite normative among our primate relatives.
CH has discussed “Ovulation Cycle Game” in a few posts. You need never again be SURPRISE CUCKSEXED! by an ovulating lover.
Men, in turn, are designed for this sperm competition as well. Biologist Robin Baker of the University of Manchester found, for example, that the amount of sperm a man discharges during intercourse with his wife is not dependent on the timing of the man’s last ejaculation but on the time since his last sex with his wife. If a long time has passed (increasing the chances that someone else’s seed found its way into his wife’s vagina), the husband’s ejaculate contains more sperm cells, which increases his competitive odds.
How weird to think that there’s a part of our limbic subconscious which puppeteers certain aspects of our behavior completely outside our conscious awareness.
Sex after a long separation tends to be more intense and prolonged. This is because long intercourse increases the chance of the woman reaching orgasm. According to research by Baker and biologist Mark Bellis, the uterine muscle contractions that accompany the female orgasm help retain sperm inside the vagina and move them toward the ovaries, and fertilization.
I don’t know about the validity of the explanation for it, but I agree that absence makes the rod grow harder even if it doesn’t necessarily make the heart grow fonder.
[T]he evidence suggests that women initiate divorce more often than men, and benefit less from marriage than do men on measures of health, happiness, and wealth. Additionally, as is well known to clinical psychologists and marriage counselors everywhere, many women who feel close to a loving partner nevertheless fail to feel passion for him.
Relationship Game is the cure for what ails a wife’s flagging libido. And, yeah, that female hypergamy is a bitch on lifelong love.
If monogamy, intimacy and communication are the engines of female desire, why do so many women fail to ignite with a familiar and faithful man? Why does their passion fizzle in marriage? Why will they seek to secretly graze in foreign pastures? Why do they not benefit from the monogamous arrangement more? Why do they break it up more readily?
All these burning questions answered here, in full, at the Chateau over the years. We are your one stop shoppe for the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And amorality.
As additional evidence [for the subversive nature of female sexual desire], developmental psychologist Lisa Diamond of the University of Utah found that many women experience their sexual interests as fluid and open, encompassing at different times men or women, or both. Richard Lippa of California State University has found that unlike men, whose sexual appetite narrows as it increases, sexually charged women display an increasingly open orientation. Women with higher libidos are more likely to feel desire toward members of both sexes.
We’re all familiar with the observation that many more women than men go through a bicurious sexually experimental phase. The old joke: What’s two women and a man? A threesome. What’s two men and a woman? Gay.
Marta Meana, a researcher at the University of Nevada, has argued provocatively that the organizing principle of female sexuality is the desire to be desired.
That’s the money shot right there. Women’s desire is to be desired. This conclusion is perfectly in line with similar notions of female sexual psychology made at various UglyTruth outlets, such as the idea that women are the “receiving” sex or that women want to submit to a dominant man. The shared animating impulse described by all these ideas is the innate compulsion of women to be desired. Desired so strongly that a man loses control of himself. Women are, by their very nature, irredeemably solipsistic, and this solipsism is a function of their genetic prime directive: to use their bodies and their beauty to capture the seed and the services of a high value man.
The woman who denies her prime directive is a genetic dead ender.
In her view, the delicate, tentative guy who politely thinks about you and asks if this is okay or that is okay is a guy who may meet the expectations of your gender politics (treats me as an equal; is respectful of me; communicates with me) and your parents’ preferences, but he may also put you into a sexual coma—not despite these qualities, but because of them.
Niceguys finish last. Jerkboys finish on her face.
Female desire, according to Meana, is activated when a woman feels overwhelmingly desired, not rationally considered. Female erotic literature, including all those shades of gray, is built on this fantasy. Sexual desire in this view does not work according to our expectations and social values. Desire seeks the path of desire, not the path of righteousness. It thrives not on social order but on its negation. This is one reason all religions and societies try to control, contain, limit and re-direct it.
I’m sure there’s a CH maxim somewhere in the archives asserting that female sexuality is more dangerous than male sexuality to social order, primarily because a wanton woman can fuck a man’s shit up for eighteen years.
Marta Meana had men and women watch erotic pictures of contact between a man and a woman and tracked the participants’ eye movements. She found that men and women focus on different aspects of the sexual event. Men looked at the women, while the women watched the two genders equally. They concentrated on the man’s face and the woman’s body. What turned them on apparently were the desired female body, with which they identify, and the man’s lustful gaze, for which they long.
Men are visual, women are holistic. This is why a man’s looks aren’t as crucial to his romantic success as a woman’s looks are crucial to hers.
Despite what is commonly believed, then, Meana argues that female sexuality is more self-centered than male’s. Mick Jagger’s lamentations aside, male fantasies focus on giving satisfaction, not on receiving it. Men see themselves in their fantasies bringing the woman to orgasm, not themselves. Women see the man, set aflame by uncontrollable lust for them, bringing them to ecstasy. Men want to excite women. Women want men to excite them.
Women are the more selfish sex, in and out of the bedroom. Color me shocked.
Basically, everything feminists assert, the opposite is true.
[W]ouldn’t more women be jealous of the desired woman who cannot orgasm than of the orgasmic woman who is not desired?
Yes, women are more jealous of beautiful women than of ugly fatties. Someone make a social awareness campaign about it.
Meana asserts that this aspect of female sexuality explains the prevalence of rape fantasies in the female fantasy repertoire. Rape fantasies, in this understanding, are actually fantasies about surrender, not out of masochistic yearnings to be harmed or punished, but out of the female desire to be desired by a man to the point of driving him out of control.
This is the one part of the article with which I mildly disagree. In fact, there are plenty of women who yearn to be harmed or punished, even if their yearning operates mostly on the subconscious level of cognition, below the level of survey administrators asking pointed embarrassing questions. You need only look at the long lines of death row groupies to see that there resides among womanhood a non-trivial contingent who welcome the whip hand of a dangerous man.
It’s as if a woman’s desire to be desired is, when taken to extremes, warped into a need for punishing treatment as the only demonstrations of male desire that will mean anything to her.
According to this view, monogamous marriage does work for women on a certain level: it provides security, intimacy, and help with the children. But it also suffocates female sexual desire.
According to GSS survey data, married men have a little bit more sex on a weekly basis than do single men, but this finding is horribly skewed by the reality of all those lesser beta and omega male singles who are utterly invisible to women. I’d bet the ranch that the single alpha male gets a lot more sex, and (obviously) gets it with a much greater variety of pussy, than does the average married man.
At the end of the day, the accumulating evidence appears to reveal a paradoxical element at the core of female desire, a tension between two conflicting motives. On the one hand is the desire for stability, intimacy, and security—picture the flame on the burner of a gas stove: controlled, utilitarian, domesticated, and good for making dinner. On the other hand is the need to feel totally, uncontrollably desired, the object of raw, primal lust—a house on fire.
Female sexual nature is bifurcated. Game — the art of applied charisma — will help build a loving bridge joining together a woman’s maddening, competing desires.

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Great breakdown.
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only lasts until you get bored of her, which is inevitable.
but anyway, fuck all this skience, FEMINISM says!!!
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I acknowledge that I haven’t taken a formal course in Heartisteology but surely there’s a blatant contradiction here. How do you square the primacy of a woman’s need to be desired with the dismissive treatment inherent in the Alpha game plan which seems to be the only way to win a woman’s heart?
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not directly related to the present post but behold! the Normalization of Poz continues apace, this time by no less scoundrelly a cabal than time magazine: http://time.com/3765674/wild-oats-project-open-marriage
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> “the organizing principle of female sexuality is the desire to be desired” On ‘The Fishing Theory Of Game’ thread, I was arguing a similar point – that being coy and mysterious and an all-around Cl!t Tease works on some chicks, but that other chicks want and need the smothering, intense, high-energy sales job before they’ll spread their legs. And Benson was saying that this tends to correlate with Borderline Personality Disorder. Anyway, a good topic of conversation would be Chicks Who Like To Chase [i.e. be cl!t-teased by a guy] versus Chicks Who Like To Be Chased [i.e. receive the hard sales job from a guy], and of course the different Game strategies for each.
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in my experience it’s usually been the highest SMV girls who enjoy doing the chasing while the lower SMV girls want to be the chasee.
whether it’s BPD or just insecurity, they seem to need more proof that you are really into them. the high value girls are more attracted to a guy who is more of a challenge. most likely because they are inundated with over eager, overly attentive guys every day of the week.
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sounds about right. and lower SMV girls don’t usually even have enough confidence to do the chasing. they are too fearful of rejection.
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Agreed. It’s the girls with questionable SMV who are obsessed with being desired. Which statistically would be the majority of those surveyed for this study.
The high SMV girls have to beat men off with a stick, so they obsess over the guy who seems to barely notice them.
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i agree with this. i was talking to a cousin of mine at a family function recently. she is very high SMV. all my buddies had crushes on her when we were growing up.
we were talking about girls who are always posting selfies on facebook and/or posting every time they were sick or having a bad day. i told her it was because they were attention whores and liked keeping orbiters around for attention. i said, i bet they get lots of private messages from guys too.
this isn’t word for word but she said something like, i don’t understand why girls like having a bunch of guys around like that. some of my friends do it. they text and message with guys they don’t even like. just for attention or something. but i just want them to leave me alone and i would feel bad stringing guys along like that when i’m not into them.
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this isn’t word for word but she said something like, i don’t understand why girls like having a bunch of guys around like that. some of my friends do it. they text and message with guys they don’t even like. just for attention or something. but i just want them to leave me alone and i would feel bad stringing guys along like that when i’m not into them.
I suspect it’s the girls HB7 and under who like the online attention. Girls hotter than that level avoid the online scene for obvious reasons. One told me she won’t use Tinder because she gets deluged with hits if she does, and it’s more trouble than it’s worth.
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Judging from the selfies I’ve seen, there are plenty of hot chicks snapping them.
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“whether it’s BPD or just insecurity, they seem to need more proof that you are really into them.”
Sort of. The borderline girls love the chase until you give them all the attention they crave, then they withdraw for fear of being controlled. And they get pissed off if you don’t carefully maintain that warped balance between comfort and anxiety.
Of course if you never give them the attention they desire in the first place, you’re not playing along with their fantasy and they’ll drop you like a bad habit. It’s like their hamsters are on meth.
What an evil disorder.
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Judging from the selfies I’ve seen, there are plenty of hot chicks snapping them.
Hot chicks do take more selfies than average ones, but they’re less likely to have online “matchmaking” accounts where they actually solicit attention from men. It seems like a bit of a paradox at first, but the selfies aren’t necessarily for getting attention from men. Often, it’s just to see how good they can make themselves look.
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in my experience it’s usually been the highest SMV girls who enjoy doing the chasing while the lower SMV girls want to be the chasee.
whether it’s BPD or just insecurity, they seem to need more proof that you are really into them. the high value girls are more attracted to a guy who is more of a challenge. most likely because they are inundated with over eager, overly attentive guys every day of the week.
That’s because average chicks get with betas and hot chicks with alphas. If you think about it, the hot chicks have to get with the alphas somehow, since the alphas tend to refrain from barfing all over them with their betatude.
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“that being coy and mysterious and an all-around Cl!t Tease works on some chicks…”
I think they all need that to some degree if they’re going to develop attraction to you. That’s the foundation of blogs like this, right? Those counter-intuitive attraction triggers are programmed into their DNA.
My point was that the borderline girls also need an obscene amount of comfort as soon as the attraction is established. Girls with that kind of dysfunctional mindset usually aren’t worth gaming. You’ll get laid plenty while you’re with them, but you better be inoculated against their bullshit or they’ll drink your milkshake.
But maybe some dudes here are up for the challenge. I wasn’t.
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“I drink your milkshake!”–not a great movie, per se, but memorable.
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Benson, I still need to think about this some more. Even my own personal “n” doesn’t feel large enough to see the pattern as to whether she’s by nature a D!ck Tease or whether she more naturally desires to be Cl!t Teased by a tall dark and handsome mysterious stranger. And then there are the chicks who are taught D!ck Teasery by their mothers…
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” Even my own personal “n” doesn’t feel large enough to see the pattern as to whether she’s by nature a D!ck Tease or whether she more naturally desires to be Cl!t Teased by a tall dark and handsome mysterious stranger.”
Granted, I’m far less experienced. But I’ve dated both types of girls you’re describing in the last couple of years, and any time I’ve been successful it was because I acted just disinterested enough to hook the girl. The “just enough” line is in a different spot sometimes, but they all love a challenge: good church girl, slutty party chick, single mom, it doesn’t really matter.
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Hah! It’s all hidden in plain sight isn’t it? Amuse yourself reading Formerly Hot Chick (FHC) Cybill Shepherd hamster around the fact that “oh, no strangers no longer want to have sex.”
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/oct/08/news/cl-19975
‘wah wah, I’m not a sex object anymore.’
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Behind the scenes, she was known as a grade-A superbitch. I knew people who worked on her sitcom in the 90s, and she’s a walking nightmare of a human. Even worse than Roseanne.
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20 yo: Men want to fuck me! I’m the victim here!
40 yo: Men don’t want to fuck me! I’m the victim here!
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lolzolzlzozl!
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Read it again. It’s LAT lite, but the Sher woman actually gets the facts of life.
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‘Men are visual, women are holistic.’
Which is why the two weapons wives use when their feels aren’t right are either gluttony or withholding sex from their husbands. Both sinful behavior by the way.
The Bible gives more than enough info on what both sexes need to do to have a good working marriage. Both have their parts to play.
Given the way marital desire is set up by God in the Bible it seems more imperative for the wife to overcome whatever feelings she may have and desire her husband. Sight stimulation is fairly easy…getting the right feels is a more difficult task.
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Awoman’s housefire must be on fire for desire?
Os you say untto us: put da Saracha hotsauce all over da ladytown an dne da wimmenz come from all nations around and nevver levse, expect for da fattees you kickd outdadoors?
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“How weird to think that there’s a part of our limbic subconscious which puppeteers certain aspects of our behavior completely outside our conscious awareness.”
that is trippy. the subconscious is a mysterious place.
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Yep. It sure is.
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with some practice you can learn to allow the subconscious to act and observe it consciously. kinda like splitting your personality. FYI my subconscious is wayyyyy smarter than my conscious in dealing with people. I usually just let it run
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Going with your gut works wonders. Of course by gut I mean my balls…I think thats where every level of my consciousness is housed
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Personally, I think there’s a conflict between a guy being aloof and me feeling desired. I do indeed like feeling strongly desired but the guys who make me feel that way are not the ones who seem harder to get. I like guys who desire me for years on end and ask me out repeatedly. I don’t see them all as “orbiters”
[CH: a man has to look out for himself. surely no woman will (unless she’s in love with him). so that means, despite how much it flatters you, no man worth his scruffy nads should subject himself to years of orbiting.]
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FX, when CH wrote this, I thought of you: “a woman’s desire to be desired is, when taken to extremes, warped into a need for punishing treatment as the only demonstrations of male desire that will mean anything to her”. Your desire for pain is intimately related to your desire to experience natural childbirth [followed by the supreme ecstasy of the endorphin release].
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They appeal to me because they have girlfriends while they keep asking me put. It’s not like they’re celibate. Makes me feel special.
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… I think there’s a conflict between a guy being aloof and me feeling desired….
sometimes the man’s aloofness makes the desire to be desired stronger in the woman.
At some semi-conscious level in the woman’s head, if it is too easy to get the man interested, maybe he is not worth the effort… while if he requires a lot of work, it can make it seem like the reward will be bigger, like he is worth the effort; the woman wants him more, her desire to be desired can grow.
Your millage may vary.
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push and pull
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“I like guys who desire me for years on end and ask me out repeatedly.” – Here FX seems to be indicating that she’s a hard sell who needs to be chased by a dude with patience and determination. Assuming, of course, that she’s what they call a “reliable historian”, which probably isn’t a good assumption to be making.
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I’m thinking that should read:
‘what WE call a “reliable historian”‘
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Carry these truths into the workplace and you have one toxic stew of female narcissism that can only safely be answered by adopting mincing stick-up-the-ass obsequiousness and quiet feline machinations.
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This is a very important post. Once you internalize these truths, women–and life itself–take on a different hue. A game changer.
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So when they don’t feel desired, they desire divorce?
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To a certain extent, yes: If your wife is being a femcunt and refusing to sex you, then you should literally throw her on the bed and r@pe her. Just make sure that she has plenty of orgasms so that she’ll have a healthy rosy glow in her cheeks afterwards. Your wife needs to see The Monster Within unleashed every once in a while.
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yes but this is thin ice. She may retroactively fuck you in the ass when she regains her wits. but a properly sexed woman is incredibly pliant in general.
However, VERY FEW women will plead rape against their husband for taking them…in fact they will appreciate it.
If you were to shove your wife up against a wall and start getting at her and she says stop you say no…obviously at the point she becomes physically violent is when you lawyer up and get her the fuck out of there forthwith. In fact, “then get the fuck out you fucking cunt” is the next move if she actually resists physically.
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BTW, the advice for literally r@ping your w!fe [back into a state of fem!n!n!ty] is only if there are k!ds involved, and the m@rri@ge needs to be saved for the k!ds’ sake. If you are essentially n3wly-w3ds, with no ch!ldren and no pregn@ncy, and if she’s already starting that femc*nt refusal to make l0ve with you, then I’d head straight to a l@wyer and draw up the papers for an @nnulment.
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“So when they don’t feel desired, they desire divorce?”
only if their husband is someone they desire themselves.
many women know they are desired by their husbands because they are the ones always initiating sex. that doesn’t make them want their husbands more. in fact, it usually makes their husbands seem needy and unattractive.
that’s why you see women dressing up to go out on the town with the girls but looking like a slob around their husbands. they want to be desired by other men, not by their husbands. being desired by the husband would mean being approached for sex and wives who aren’t happy with the men they are with, do not want that.
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“that’s why you see women dressing up to go out on the town with the girls but looking like a slob around their husbands. they want to be desired by other men, not by their husbands. being desired by the husband would mean being approached for sex and wives who aren’t happy with the men they are with, do not want that.”
that describes my ex wife to a tee. it’s like she was deliberately trying to look disgusting around me so i wouldn’t want to touch her. always looked great when she was going out with friends or when we went to a wedding or something though. the rest of the time, it was scrubs or sweats or some other equally dumpy and unattractive outfit.
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Women desire to be desired by a desirable man.
Ftfy’all
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The point here is that by unleashing The Monster Within, and literally r@ping her into org@sm and a renewed sense of fem!n!n!ty, you’ll earn that Strange New Respect from her and become a desirable man again [a man whom she desires to be desired by]. But only if the m@rri@ge is worth saving. Not if you’re essentially n3wly-w3ds and you’re suddenly discovering that you didn’t m@rry the g!rl whom you thought you were m@rrying. In that case, I’d go for @nnulment rather than m@rit@l r@pe.
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I have “The Red Queen” by Matt Ridley as sort of a “sitting around” book that I grab and read whenever I eat cereal or take a shit. Much of what is quoted in this post is lifted, almost word for word, from the Red Queen. And I am sure that is because much of what Ridley wrote was quoted and lifted from the major papers recognized by the fields of biology and evolutionary studies. Ridley attributes the different researches as he weaves the concepts into a coherent study.
What is annoying is much of this work is decades old. The reference to the researcher from the University of Utah is easily mid to early 90s. And it screams, over and over, as to not only how this behavior is found repeatedly, over and over in animal species, especially in primates, but also in humans. Especially the noting of sperm competition, the actions and motivations of females, and the deep fear of cucking in all male of all cultures.
And this literally destroys the whole notion of gender as a social concept, of the stupid blank slatey nonsense. And it literally explains human psychology far better, especially when you import the notions of immune systems and endocrine interaction, than any of the horseshit nonsense, Dr Phil bullshit that has dominated Psychology and Psychiatry up until today.
Just imagine, from the personal level all the way up to societal and political, how many foolish policies and recommendations have been made for people to use in controlling their day to day lives, all the way up to macro political, legal, employment and economic policies, that have been based on pure horseshit and even outright lies.
I guess this is a start when a pop psychology magazine dares, probably due to the efforts of sites like CH, to come out and actually print something like this. Of course, it is long way from undoing the damage that has been done, and really it merely fuels a lot of other horseshit justifications from women.
But at least it breaks down the Feminine Imperative claim that most women are inherently more moral and are actually a bunch of cheating, lying whores that intrinsicly follow the concept that Psychology Today still lacks the balls to print:
Alpha Fux, Beta Bux.
And it has always been that way since Sex at Dawn.
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Nah… if women really wanted to be desired, lickspittle betas driven mad with desire wouldn’t have any problems in love, and aloof alpha a$$holes would get absolutely nowhere.
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According to how God set it up…women are supposed to desire their husband. I also question the validity of this thought process.
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According to how God set it up…women are supposed to desire their husband.
“To the woman also he said: I will multiply thy sorrows, and thy conceptions: in sorrow shalt thou bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall have dominion over thee.” (Gen. 3:16)
Not a bloomin’ thing about his desire for her. Aloof alphas win. Pedestalizers lose.
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It’s not so much the aloofness…it’s realizing your feelings for her don’t matter much in the big picture. The pedalizers think since they feel this way about a woman they somehow are more righteous in deserving a lady.
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@ earl
Game is supposed to correct that.
We have to learn how to emotionally manipulate women. Women, on the other hand, are born knowing how to do it.
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‘We have to learn how to emotionally manipulate women.’
No we don’t…we have to purge the fact that we have to be emotional all the time because women like that from men. It’s more removing the lies of feminism from your own head than trying to use them to get women.
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Which is the gist of what GBFM is saying once you decipher past all the lolz.
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Earl, there is a difference between
1) being emotional
2) emotionally manipulating a woman
Women don’t want the first. They crave the second.
You seem to be thinking of the stolid, uncommunicative, inner-directed type of man, but by itself those traits are irrelevant. Those guys are rarely great poosy-slayers unless they learn what makes the hamster run.
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Women want to be desired… but only desire to be desired by who THEY desire.
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That’s the missing link; they want to be desired by sexy jerk boys.
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yep
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Women who are jerks desire to be desired by jerks.
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Then all girls are jerks.
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Not necessarily. Plenty of ‘nice girls’ (who really would make good wives) are sexually aroused by ‘jerks’. It is what it is. Just like plenty of good husbands are aroused harlots. You have no conscious control over your sexual desires. So much pathology in the world comes from this misunderstanding about sexuality. You’re conflating actual sexual instinct and impulse with morality (which is how we behave irrespective of our instincts and impulses).
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‘Then all girls are jerks.’
Heh…now you’re catching on.
Although some of them do suppress the jerk.
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‘You have no conscious control over your sexual desires.’
No, but you do have conscious control as far as who is allowed to take part in your sexual desires.
Plus I doubt being a jerk is the personality trait that triggers sexual desire in a woman. It’s probably more about the confidence…which can be done without being a jerk.
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“Heh…now you’re catching on.”
By the way, “All girls are jerks” is a good maxim for guys just learning game. It’s a fact they’re probably very aware of since they’ve been manipulated or ignored by women for most of their lives, but they forget it once they start getting positive reactions from girls and revert to their self-defeating nice guy behavior. Myself included.
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Earl, I also wouldn’t overlook Charles Murray’s Belmont/Fishtown divide in all of this [which roughly corresponds with Steve Sailer’s “Do as I do, not as I say”]. I am seeing Belmont/Fishtown almost everywhere now – the nice girls from the good families really do seem to be nicer and better in many ways – they seem to have a better genetic resistance to the baleful influence of Evil Psychiatry Inc and the Gramsci Project. For example, I was talking to a pair of really top notch Harvard chicks yesterday [both of them Chief Residents] and it was like a breath of fresh air – like a cool mountain breeze in the dog days of summer. Just utterly feminine and cheerful and gentle characters.
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Women desire to be desired by a man who is desired. It’s why a wedding ring attracts chicks and why a beta she can string along does not.
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. . . .So you just have to desire the hot chick more than any other guy, and she will run into your arms? There must be a missing component in there somewhere that makes that not white knighting, but I can’t find it. Anybody seen the French movie “Manon of the Spring”? The guy gets ahold of a heart-shaped piece of Manon’s dress, with whom he is obsessed, and sews it into the skin over his own heart. Surprisingly, this display of uncontrollable desire / stage-five beta one-itis aroused in her nothing but disgust and fear.
It’s almost as though the woman’s response to male desire depends almost entirely on the status of the male in question. For instance, if a neckbearded basement troll such as myself were to write Scarlett Johansen perfume-scented love letters with profuse declarations of love and adoration, how effective would they be compared with one dirty look from George Clooney at a wrap party? What if I upped the ante and started stalking her because I just desire her so much–can’t she see we were meant to be together? Disgust and fear again.
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As Greg said above, this only works for men those women desire.
If a woman likes absolutely nothing about you, the fact you desire her will not change anything; she still will not want you to desire her.
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“If a woman likes absolutely nothing about you, the fact you desire her will not change anything.” Actually, your desire will instill in her an equal and opposite reaction of repulsion. “Creepy” = guy who likes me but whom I don’t like back.
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@Ohiomega…
If men would get that concept, then a lot of our troubles with women would go away.
It isn’t about your triggers towards her…it’s about her feels towards you.
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@Ohiomega
“Creepy” = a guy who hasn’t learned the dance of seduction .
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All seduction is 90% her desiring you…and 10% you not screwing it up.
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Earl doesn’t realize or can’t admit that how she feels towards you is based on how you trigger her . inert = inert.
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Ohiomega, do you live near a city?
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!Si! ?Porque?
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Ohiomega, so your mission is to go to the nearest solid Coffee Shop or the like. Order your coffee and then walk right up to the best looking women in the place that is not with another man. Look her in the eye and with a confident half smile put out your hand and introduce yourself. Shake her hand and ask her for her name if she does not give it to you. Then you can turn and walk away. I would like a full report. For solidarity purposes I would be glad to also do this in the coming week. Hell, maybe it could be a CH pledge for this week.
Baby Steps. How about it Ohiomega?
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“Order your coffee and then walk right up to the best looking women in the place that is not with another man. Look her in the eye and with a confident half smile put out your hand and introduce yourself.”
I’m down, too. Been doing an approach journal of sorts here lately anyway.
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Just gave up coffee for my diet and will probably have to drive 40 minutes to get somewhere such an uncharacteristic action won’t impact my reputation. Should probably get my hair cut, hobo beard shaved off, see a dentist for the first time in 10 years, buy another pair of pants besides the one I wear every day because it’s the only one that fits anymore, not to mention buy new shoes, on a salary of $200 here and there from my mom. Goddamnit. . . . Here you get a glimpse of the thought process. Not sure if it’s gonna happen, man.
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OM, own yourself. If you’re trailer trash, then own it. Trailer Trash Game is awesome for running on prissy stuck-up self-entitled c*nts who are sick of being fawned on by wimpy Beta girly-men:
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“I’m down, too. Been doing an approach journal of sorts here lately anyway.”-
Benson, Excellent
“Just gave up coffee for my diet and will probably have to drive 40 minutes to get somewhere such an uncharacteristic action won’t impact my reputation. Should probably get my hair cut, hobo beard shaved off, see a dentist for the first time in 10 years, buy another pair of pants besides the one I wear every day because it’s the only one that fits anymore, not to mention buy new shoes, on a salary of $200 here and there from my mom. Goddamnit. . . . Here you get a glimpse of the thought process. Not sure if it’s gonna happen, man.”-
Ohiomega, this isn’t about coffee. This is just an introduction. Don’t worry about a number. Just make the approach and then start fixing yourself up. What do you have to lose? It is a state of mind.
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” Here you get a glimpse of the thought process. Not sure if it’s gonna happen, man.”
Fuck, dude, just say hi. Nothing bad is going to happen. Just introduce yourself. If she reciprocates, tell her you’re looking to make new friends, then try to have a simple conversation.
I think you are where I was a few years ago. The approach doesn’t magically get easier once you lose weight and buy new clothes; it gets easier after you start approaching more.
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You have to realize the game OhioMega is playing here… He just wants to moan. He won’t do a single concrete thing to help himself. You guys are just enabling him by even responding at this point.
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I’m taking steps; I’m just not there yet. Get off my back!
“The approach doesn’t magically get easier once you lose weight.”–Yes, it will.
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“’The approach doesn’t magically get easier once you lose weight.’–Yes, it will.”
You’re right. You’ll lose the weight and develop a charming personality and the confidence to approach any hot girl in your vicinity. This will happen overnight.
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But the high value must be exhibited frequently. Clooney might get away with it at first but familiarity breeds contempt. Its best to express your desire in a manly fashion in the manner of a high value man. Perhaps the slaying of a small village.
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Exactly.
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Oh come on man. Not even a guy like you does that. You make this too hard. Just get in a good mood by calling out and making fun of all the stupidity you see around you, assume the dominant masterful pose and jerk’s smirk walk up to a pair of tits with the upward nod and “sup.” That is how you correctly desire a biatch.
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…monogamous marriage does work for women on a certain level: it provides security, intimacy, and help with the children. But it also suffocates female sexual desire…
For those interested in the LTR / marriage (never again!) aspect of game, be sure to review the archives for the list of traits you need to be strong on to keep that female desire fired up. CH notes that although a man’s sexual prowess is on that list, it is not the first or foremost item; game is, and this comports with my experience.
During the dying days of my marriage and the separation, I racked my brain with that maddening question: Why? Why did things go from happiness to such cold bitterness? For years, the sex was off-the-charts-amazing…she said I.L.U. first…on occasion, she was brought to tears by my aloofness after intimacy (note: this was before I had any game, I had no idea of what I was doing)…all the way through having the children…and then the relationship death spiral began. I was predisposed – – beta, I now know – – or conditioned, or both, to be a partner in the child-rearing. Long story short, doing too much of that is what brought things to a demise. I failed to show enough of that all-important dominance and ability to lead. Now I have the answers to my questions, but also a compass for navigating women going forward, I am happy to say.
PS – – Ironically, at the tail end of the separation, I discovered CH and started to apply some of the advice here in my dealings with her. It has lead to a peaceful and agreeable post-marital situation, with much better respect and cooperation from her, and there was no monetary rape, alimony or support/extortion. I am convinced that holding my frame and not getting upset or petty during mediation gave me an edge…
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Things do end.
Why do we die? It’s part of the experience.
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Here is a great candidate for a “Great Men on Women” post:
Nietzsche from Beyond Good and Evil –
The weak sex has in no age been treated by men with such respect as it is in ours—that pertains to the democratic inclination and fundamental taste, as does disrespectfulness to old age—: is it any wonder if this respect is immediately abused?
She wants more, she learns to demand, in the end she finds this tribute of respect almost offensive, she would prefer competition for rights, indeed a real stand-up fight: enough, woman loses in modesty. Let us add at once that she also loses in taste. She unlearns fear of man: but the woman who “unlearns fear” sacrifices her most womanly instincts
That woman should venture out when the fear-inspiring in man, let us put it more precisely and say the man in man, is no longer desired and developed, is fair enough, also comprehensible enough; what is harder to comprehend is that, through precisely this fact—woman degenerates. This is what is happening today: let us not deceive ourselves! Wherever the spirit of industry has triumphed over the military and aristocratic spirit woman now aspires to the economic and legal independence of a clerk: “woman as clerk” stands inscribed on the portal of the modern society now taking shape. As she thus seizes new rights, looks to become “master,” and inscribes the “progress” of woman on her flags and banners, the reverse is happening with dreadful clarity: woman is retrogressing.
Since the French Revolution the influence of woman in Europe has grown less in the same proportion as her rights and claims have grown greater; and the “emancipation of woman,” in so far as it has been demanded and advanced by women themselves (and not only by male shallow-pates), is thus revealed as a noteworthy symptom of the growing enfeeblement and blunting of the most feminine instincts. There is stupidity in this movement, an almost masculine stupidity, of which a real woman—who is always a clever woman—would have to be ashamed from the very heart.
To lose her sense for the ground on which she is most sure of victory; to neglect to practice the use of her own proper weapons; to let herself go before the man, perhaps even “to the extent of producing a book,” where formerly she kept herself in check and in subtle cunning humility; to seek with virtuous assurance to destroy man’s belief that a fundamentally different ideal is wrapped up in woman, that there is something eternally, necessarily feminine; emphatically and loquaciously to talk man out of the idea that woman has to be maintained, cared for, protected, indulged like a delicate, strangely wild and often agreeable domestic animal; the clumsy and indignant parade of all of slavery and bondage that woman’s position in the order of society has hitherto entailed and still entails (as if slavery were a counter-argument and not rather a condition of every higher culture, of every enhancement of culture)—what does all this mean if not a crumbling of the feminine instinct, a defeminizing?
To be sure, there are sufficient idiotic friends and corrupters of woman among the learned asses of the male sex who advise woman to defeminize herself in this fashion and to imitate all the stupidities with which “man” in Europe, European “manliness,” is sick—who would like to reduce woman to the level of “general education,” if not to that of newspaper reading and playing at politics. Here and there they even want to turn women into free-spirits and literati: as if a woman without piety would not be something utterly repellent or ludicrous to a profound and godless man—; almost everywhere her nerves are being shattered by the most morbid and dangerous of all the varieties of music (our latest German music), and she is being rendered more and more hysterical with every day that passes and more and more incapable of her first and last profession, which is to bear strong children.
There is a desire to make her in general more “cultivated” and, as they say, to make the “weak sex” strong through culture: as if history did not teach in the most emphatic manner possible that making human beings “cultivated” and making them weaker—that is to say, enfeebling, fragmenting, contaminating, the force of the will, have always gone hand in hand, and that the world’s most powerful and influential women (most recently the mother of Napoleon) owed their power and ascendancy over men precisely to the force of their will—and not to schoolmasters! That in woman which inspires respect and fundamentally fear is her nature, which is more “natural” than that of the man, her genuine, cunning, beast-of-prey suppleness, the tiger’s claws beneath the glove, the naiveté of her egoism, her ineducability and inner savagery, and how incomprehensible, capacious and prowling her desires and virtues are …
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While I generally agree, I think it’s a little funny how bad Nietzsche was with girls,although he doesn’t seem to have tried too much either. Anyway, those evil XIXth century jooz and their feminism! Lol. Sure, nothing to do with enlightenment beliefs about morality, it’s the jooz!
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He fell for an ” intellectual” woman but she preferred his mediocre friend
That was the end of it, Lou Salome finished something that the broken friendship with Wagner started
I do not think that any human was close to him afterwards except perhaps his sister
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Nietzsche’s prose was unbearable. They couldnt fix it a little when translating? Shit man.
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That is why you should read his poetry
This is an example
Sie will es und so ist es fein
So war es und so wird es immer sein
Sie will es und so ist es Brauch
Was sie will bekommt sie auch
about an alpha who
fucks every woman he wants
and that shit
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Nietzsche also dabbled in music composition: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nietzsche+piano
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One hundred and thirty years later, we remain on the downward slope!
If there’s a deal of ruin in a nation, there’s still more in a civilization.
Were I religious, I’d pray to live into the hanging phase.
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From the article: “If a long time has passed (increasing the chances that someone else’s seed found its way into his wife’s vagina), the husband’s ejaculate contains more sperm cells, which increases his competitive odds.”
I also remember reading a UK study that ugly guys produce more ejaculate than normal. The thinking is since they don’t get laid as much, they have to make the most of it. Handsome men produce less each time so they can impregnate each of their higher number of partners.
The body’s response to its own biological imperative is nothing short of amazing.
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“For my part I consider that it is better to be adventurous than cautious, because fortune is a woman, and if you wish to keep her under it is necessary to beat and ill-use her; and it is seen that she allows herself to be mastered by the adventurous rather than by those who go to work more coldly. ”
-Excerpt from Machiavelli’s ‘The Prince’.
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“coldly” is probably not a good translation into modern English vis-a-vis our concept [here at the Chateau] as to what constitutes The Dark Triad. Perhaps “meekly” would be a better translation?
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Agreed. I read that line years ago; before my red pill days(i’m still choking it down).
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Many blue pill guys will read the part about “women desire being desired” and take it to mean “compliment women more.”
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yep
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Desired = The object of raw, primal lust.
How does one project lust? Certainly not in any way like the 1st Corinthians 13 definition of love. Lust is impatient, lust is unkind. It envies, it boasts, it is proud. It dishonors others, it is self-seeking, it is easily angered …
Lust is a real jerk.
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Lust is black and ugly
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A good blue print needs a lot of lumber and no one wants a bad blue print. Go figure.
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A better way to put it is…’women desire to have desire’.
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People should stop searching through the archives and claim they came up with it on their own. Especially mainstream media news outlets. Shit
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Somewhat OT, but found this today and figured I’d add it here:
“Alas, when people complain of men not marrying (even they who are able), they forget how little women offer in exchange for all they get by marriage. Girls are so seldom taught to be of any use whatever to a man that I am only astonished at the numbers of men who do marry! Many girls do not even try to be agreeable to look at, much less to live with. They forget how numerous they are, and the small absolute need men have of wives; but, nevertheless, men do still marry, and would oftener marry could they find mates – women who are either helpful to them, or amusing, or pleasing to their eye.”
–The Art of Beauty by Mary Eliza Haweis, published in 1878.
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Great post today!
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“I’d bet the ranch that the single alpha male gets a lot more sex, and (obviously) gets it with a much greater variety of pussy, than does the average married man.”
Given my stellar sexual week — three bangs with three girls in three days, one of them new — I totally agree. Keeping this type of soft harem, and racking up these numbers of encounters, is simply impossible for 99% of all married men. Logistics prevent it.
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Rollo just wrote a new post on this.
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Robin Baker – Sperm Wars essential reading I think I have figured out a female co-workers menstrual cycle so I act like a jerk during her fertile period- it works wonders
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This should be in the high school sex-ed program.
Wonder what reaction I’ll get when I pitch it to the school board?
Regardless – will share with the teenager in the house.
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My two cents, as a first-time poster here (and a reader for a couple of months), I read with interest, but don’t really buy into a lot of what the article says. I admit, at first read it seems to make sense by apparently putting the little puzzle pieces nicely together. Here is where I disagree. I hope that this makes some sense and is not just a ramble: Look at gay MEN. If the above were true, one would think (despite the obvious perverted nature of gay men) that gay men would have the strongest, most monogamous relationships, since they are both men and, theoretically, would on some level think like men and not like women with all the need for “don’t you desire me”/”chase me and I will play coy” nonsense. Right? However, we know that not to be true. Gay men are the biggest diseased whoremongers around (reference the previous article on CH about the high % of accepted open relationships/”marriages” amongst turd burglars). So, my takeaway is not the article’s useless nonsense that “most women desire to be desired”. That, if at all true, is a perversion of Nature. You do not see the lioness, or female hippo, or female zebra, running around with a “desire to be desired”. Nature is simple – the strong male finds the strongest (sometimes receptive) female to produce the best offspring. Period. No “don’t you desire me?” crap. Instead, my takeaway, which has more value in the long run, and causes less confusion to men I think, is that, quite simply, most modern women, like most gay men, are screwed up in the head and most likely suffering from one or more diagnosable mental disorders. Once you understand that simple fact, a functioning society can be developed around trying to limit the damage that these fucked up women can do while their husbands are off doing necessary things, like working, fighting wars, etc. Great Britain under the good old Empire days had that under control for a good while, where a woman could think like a big whore, but could not act on it (or else there would be serious social and criminal ramifications). Islam has it to some degree, but is way overboard by instead treating woman as property, and not like women. A heavy hand does not have to = slavery. That is why those societies are so backwards, in large part. Here, in the USA, and much of the world, the restrictions have been lifted one by one, allowing women, with very little negative ramifications (and, to some extent, even positive reinforcement) to follow through with their most deviant tendencies. That is why the West, in a nutshell, is in serious decline: FEMALE MENTAL DISORDER AND THEIR BETA MALE ENABLERS.
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Does our good friend rationalization hamster has anything to do with this?
Have some of them misunderstood what men desire in women (yet they always end up facing the truth)? And have some men misundertood what they desire and distorted reality to ease their weirdness?
My beta friend’s girlfriend is a *gamer*, *sports fan* and shit like that. Can she cook, dance, paint, write? Nah. She has that nerd/geek side that I fail to find as cute/sexy because I am a man, maybe? Anyway, do women become interested in things men like/love/are passionate about because they think men will find them more atractive?
My “friend” claims he loves her because she’s so “special” and “unique”. I realize he had to came up with some explanation for a girl who let him fuck her after +1 year of dating. Girl is 7/10, she’s cute but with that cuteness that betas pedestalize, she’s not very femenine, there’s not a single time I haven’t seen her in sneakers or wearing sports clothes, kid t-shirts, baggy hoodies and a ponytatil (now short hair lozlzozlzol).
I avoided at first to apply the Heartiste knowledge on friends and family but I’ve done it anyway (even on my parents: one of the downsides when you carry the #truthz). I’ve been hanging with them, asking more questions and modeling what both of their mental processes are for their relationship.
Today we were having lunch and my friend had to went to college (girl didn’t offer to go with him and asked if I’d be okay to drive her to college later, sure), and hence the reason for my comment, I dropped a comment to her guard inspired on the insecurities and weaknesses game.
“I see *my friend* so happy with you (he is but she is not, he kissed her and hugged her 6 times, she, just one and was forced). It’s great when you find someone WHO UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU REALLY WANT WITHOUT ASKING. You’ve been quite a time together now and I’m sure you both have realised the other WAS EXACTLY THE PERSON YOU WERE EXPECTING TO BE A PART OF YOUR LIFE FOR SO LONG”
LOLZOLZZOLZZOZL
Guurl looked directly into my eyes and then looked down, “what’s the matter, guuurl?”
Unvelied to me some important gems:
She says: I love him but I used to like him more than I do now.
She means: my brain works like fashion, what I like this year might repulse in a year from now.
She says: I don’t like it that sometimes he is so childish (and she’s not, obviously)
She means: I want a neandertal to varnish my utherus, slap me and spit on my face
She says: he’s so nice to me I shouldn’t even be complaining
She means: he’s silly and I need excitement in my life aka pussy so dry she renamed her Sahara
She says: he’s ok with everything I do and accepts me the way I am and I want to like it but… I can’t. I just wish he had an opinion of himself
She means: Why wearing heels for him is he’s ok with my mario bros t-shirt? I wish he forbade me to cut my hair but why do I even need it he doesn’t pull my hair when he’s fucking me (If I ever get so horny that I let him fuck me)
First conclusion: no doubt he’s a cuckold.
Second conclusion: I’m going to fuck her (but you is friendz why’d you do dat: because we are just “friends”)
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Back to my original questions, I think some women, in their effort to achieve “originality” have used the hamster, no doubt but, some of them have also realised it doesn’t work on the long term. They also realize they all atracting the wrong type of men and (read not all men are kids); au contraire from what feminists say, they crave for a demanding and bossy guy who will see her as a sexual object and will tell them how to behave. Women need direction. On their own, they are incapable of pleasing men as we like (and if she does, she’s a complete whore).
Now, men, have completely fucked it up, as we well know. But this type of guys, who accept women the way they are (lol) are missing an important thing: they’re taking the rol of women. Wymun are supposed to forgive you for the stupid shit you did and continue to do and accept you the way you are because you’re a man. Women know this, they resent it and they let you know (or one of your friends).
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A foolish man tells a woman to stop talking, but a wise man tells her that her mouth is extremely beautiful when her lips are closed
au
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Lord this is rich!
From Knuckledragin
http://knuckledraggin.com/2015/04/paybacks/
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“Women want to be desired.”
Is a more banal observation even possible? It borders on the retarded. “I want people to like me.” “It would be swell if people were attracted to me.”
It applies so universally to so many different types of people — including the other sex, men — that it is practically a tautology.
There are other terms for it: amour de soi, vanity, and in extreme variants, self-centeredness, narcissism, solipsism.
It is part of the human condition, especially the socialized human condition, and is in no way particular to women.
Matt
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CH is saying that a man is turned on by his object of desire, while a woman is turned on by being the object of desire, and that it doesn’t work the way around.
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Whew – see my comments above about chasing versus being chased – even the best of Alphas can get thrown off their Game by a D!ck Tease who plays her cards right. Don’t allow yourself to become so arrogant that you think you are completely immune to this shiznat.
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Are you reading Henry Dampier at Quick Reactions? He is a youngish, classically educated neorx blogger. I think you might enjoy his work.
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These fucking idiots make so many assumptions. Muddies up their studies.
High testosterone does not = “healthy genes”, and healthy genes does not = high T.
Krauser might have a higher t level in a room of pansy looking starved male models, but you’d be hard pressed to prove his superior genetics. Ya get me??
There are a million variables. Half these publications essentially say nothing. Theyre valuable only for the test results. Its annoying read through juat to accurately interpret the data correctly, something reaearchers seem incapable of doing.
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Women want to be desired by desireable men. Their pussies dont drip when a neckbeard drools over her.
Far too many maxims which apply to nearly all biological organisms, and to each person according to his or her sociosexual rank, need to be considered when making any sort of meaningful statement on something as co plex as female sexuality, which isnt primarily aesthetics-based like a mans.
Excellent article nonetheless. It doesnt need to say everything, let alone say it accurately in order to be of value. It just needs to be read and discuss3d by those intelligent enough to do so meaningfully. It just grinds my gears is all. Fuckin lazy stupid scientists..
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Women don’t mind being desired by undesirable men. It validates them, even if a chode’s attention can theoretically create awkward social situations they would rather not deal with. Theory aside, most orbiters are too timid to make a messy move anyway, or they’re too afraid of being denied their supply of crumbs she occasionally tosses to them.
And if the chode makes a scene expressing himself, well, that’s just final proof of her attractiveness she can discuss with her friends — the crazier the better, as it implies without her saying a word how her sheer attractiveness can’t help but drive men wild.
Women intuit that a chump’s desire for her has nothing to do with his own unattractiveness, and she can regard his high estimation of her as just as valid as a handsome man’s — even though it doesn’t help her get the man she prefers. Hence the orbiter phenomenon. Orbiting is a mutual attraction — at a distance. She likes them well enough because they like her, but not enough to let them any closer than a satellite.
In their perfect world, women would rather have proof of desire from certain types without the messy attention from them. Hence the roaring success of social media for women, particularly dating websites, where she can manage their attentions exquisitely while counting up their “likes.”
If you’ve ever had groupies, it’s not hard to understand the dynamics of an above-average girl. Desire from an unworthy boy doesn’t inspire disgust or anger, it inspires pity. “Awwww, thanks for that Valentine’s bouquet, you’re so sweet, such a nice puppy, I can eat you up! (You know I have a boyfriend.)” The pity that orbiters thrive on.
Matt
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Betas or omegas, especially the latter, who try to “leave orbit” as falling satellites, mostly burn up in the atmosphere. They find out just how strong a bitch shield can be once the, “OMG this loser actually thinks he has a chance,” alarm goes off. They can act alpha long enough to say the one awesome line they thought up, but, as with any pretense, their charade falls to pieces once it’s tested by unfamiliar situations or unexpected responses, of which there are legion because the men in question likely have little to no experience with the opposite sex. The whole endeavor merely amplifies their awkwardness, their lack of calibration: Their sexy baritone is a few, critical decibels too loud; their naturally-alpha contrapossto is stiff and obviously uncomfortable; their intense gaze unnerving; and from her point of view, her cute-and-cuddly lap dog has turned into an ankle-biting little shit in the blink of any eye. Now it gets the hard boot, not the soft hand.
Good point, though, about admiration from afar being equivalent regardless of the source, and digital technology enabling the acquisition of said. It’s also true that most betas will never make a move, but, if they do, it will likely look like the above paragraph. I think women prefer their orbiters anonymous. When it’s somebody she sees on a daily basis, that’s just. . . awkward (soul-killing for him).
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Ohiomega: Yep. Chicks loathe a beta trying to make a run at the prison wall. Beta is a vicious cycle and failed escape attempts are met with vicious reprisals calculated to ensure it never happens again. That used to mean just an ugly shutdown, but now the three-year-olds are running around with loaded firearms called “sexual harassment charge” and “false rape accusation”.
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Yup-to-all-this
Or, as the fashion here dictates creating pointless acronyms as substitutes for secret handshakes: YTAT
Matt
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OT
Goodbye English rose…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3034286/Falls-brawls-horseplay-Hundreds-worse-wear-women-struggle-make-journey-home-Ladies-Day-Aintree-draws-close.html
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“The Annunciation of our Lord to the Blessed Virgin Mary”
that is how this slut fest is officially called or used to be called I believe
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Perfect illustration of the Wrath of God.
Celebrate yourselves rather than Mary’s obedient acceptance of the Incarnation? …
“Behold! I am the Handmaid of the Lord. Let it be done to me according to your word.”
… Then the Lord will leave you to your own literal gracelessness: to stumble, piss, and puke all over your flabby, worst selves. Like a black mass. They dress up in finery but they cannot conceal the root ugliness choking their souls.
Everyone who enters hell does so voluntarily, and hell begins while you are still alive. The wages of sin is death. Living death.
Eat yourselves, crass wigger whores, you daughters of the beast.
Matt
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@ Matt King
Jonathan Edwards said it better.
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Having A Bad Day And Sentient
Another waypoint/first for me:
Wife: “[Girl we met at party who wife didn’t like] is so pretty..” [objectively clearly younger and prettier than my wife]
Me: [About to say something but wife continues]
Wife: “Yes, I know there’s no right answer to that..you just keep reading your newspaper”
Me: “Umm..I was just going to say..yeah, she’s pretty”
Wife: [Says nothing]
5 min later
Wife (joking): “Maybe I should change to having a mass of blonde curls like [girl] and you’ll like it”
Me [locked eyes and slow voice]: “Try it out and I’ll let you know”
Wife: Humph
First time for me actively acknowledging someone else is cute to my wife.
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Awesome. Played exactly right. She is fishing for compliments and assurance. Own your sexual desire and never apologize for it. She may bithc in the short term but I bet hotter than usual sex is on the horizon.
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Dude, you about to get raped by the family court system. 6Mos tops, sooner if your wife has any redeeming qualities of physical beauty left to leverage out.
Comfort tests AREN’T shit tests.
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Nah. This is garden variety response to his recent change in relationship dynamics. Pure fishing on her part. Comment in mod.
Don’t let a scarcity mentality blunt your edge. A real loyalty test will be much more honest emotion and fear.
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lol. your comments are true bust spoken through the lens of a beta. When she sees you as Alpha then, of course, they are ALL loyalty tests.
Remember that we exist on a continuum and CALIBRATE.
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keep telling yourself that.
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When she really sees you as alpha (which she doesn’t) she won’t dare to try and test you like this… It would be all qualifying.
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Alphas get comfort tested continuously. Thats why we can act so sicky sweet, write songs and shit. I can be a sweet and nice as I can try and force myself to be and they eat it up.
Again you need to START by accurately assessing how you are perceived so you can calibrate properly.
But then how could you know this because you have never experienced it? I’ve never even recognized a shit test until I found this blog. I would just tell a bitch that I choose not to do business with females and to FOAD. The cute ones then wanted to bang. I had no clue why, as you have no idea what I am proposing.
No big deal. Learn and adapt or don’t I guess.
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I’d rather err on the side of failing a comfort test than a shit test, though.
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“I’d rather err on the side of failing a comfort test than a shit test, though.”
Yep. You can fail multiple comfort tests and survive; fail the wrong shit test, and the game’s over.
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“you about to get raped by the family court system. 6 Mos tops, sooner if your wife has any redeeming qualities of physical beauty left to leverage out.”
This is the comment of such a stone cold alpha? LOL
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Ya, it is. These are the women that strip off their wedding rings on a girls night out in order to feel wanted by guys like me. (or me, hey, fuck this dude for not understanding his own family dynamic)
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yep. see these girls out stripping off their rings on a GNO EVERY SINGLE DAY.
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“Alphas get comfort tested continuously. Thats why we can act so sicky sweet, write songs and shit. I can be a sweet and nice as I can try and force myself to be and they eat it up….Again you need to START by accurately assessing how you are perceived so you can calibrate properly.”
all true. the guys on here who assume every test is a shit test are not seeing the bigger picture at all and then they wonder why they can’t maintain LTRs for any length of time.
if you are doing it right, you will eventually be getting more comfort tests than shit tests from your girls. you have to know how to handle them or you’ll inadvertently end up instigating more shit tests than you would have had if you’d just passed the comfort tests in the first place.
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“First time for me actively acknowledging someone else is cute to my wife.”
I cannot relate to your world.
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TheMarquis
good job!…props on putting in the work…i’d be willing to bet that she was ‘tingly’ later…lol…she’s coming around…
“Wife: “Yes, I know there’s no right answer to that..you just keep reading your newspaper”
this is her starting to let you off a shit test that just happened to pop out…so, her view of your ranking is definitely changing…
good luck!
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Having A Bad Day and Sentient – Thank You.
I still make plenty of mistakes and slipping back into old habits, and sometimes I can see my wife is saying things based on an old conception of me. But things are changing.
But yeah, I am starting to think of this as an engaging project now – like, I don’t have to go OUT to practice Game – I can just do it at home and build my skills..
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It seems like every day the media is hatching another ideological virus. The movie theater has to put at least two before the feature film. What happened to trailers?
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As some people have said in some weaker form above, of course women get turned on by being intensely desired, and even often by being taken brutally by men who desire them, but only when those men are way out of their league (at least 2 SMV of difference), that is men they are attracted to. As the large sales of hundreds of years of “romantic novels” demonstrate abundantly. Women absolutely love being prey for brutish predators as long as the predators are way out of their league.
Any sign of desire by men in their league or below makes women feel threatened and disgusted, and any approach by such threatening and disgusting men, no matter how diplomatic and subtle, they consider a nasty aggression.
They are ambivalent about being desired by men out of their league but not way of their league (1 SMV of difference), because they are ambivalent about being attracted to them. It is in this case that careful `game` allows a man to turn that ambivalence into `consent`.
Indeed for women what matters is `consent`, `consent` is a euphemism `chemistry` and `chemistry` is what women call the`gina tingle` and `gina tingle` means more or less `he is way out of my league`.
Much is forgiven, that is (sometimes retroactive) `consent` is given, by women to men way out of their league who can be bothered to pump and dump them.
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Comes now, chapter 397 of Dindu Nuffin
NJ elementary school teacher (young-ish SJW female) herded her third-grade students to send “get well!” greetings to ailing, life-sentenced cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal (without consulting parents)
Seeing that she clearly believes that un-solicited postal mail is a good thing, I suggest that Every Red Pill also should send her a letter expressing their feelings.
Marylin Zuniga
1506 Sterling Drive
Florham Park NJ 07932
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@king
Your last post is priceless but it takes that to happen once before you do your best to not let it happen again.
Very brutal to experience.
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in the meantime, more libtard crap
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/immigration-really-good-economy-064006410.html
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For women, being desired *IS* the orgasm.
Mistral
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Desire to be desired by desirable men.
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First time poster, here (I have read articles the last 2-3 months, and enjoy them very much). Hopefully, I do not ramble with my comment, but although the article discussed is interesting, and appears, at first glance, to nicely put all the puzzle pieces together with the “women desire to be desired” takeaway, I disagree with it.
First, let us look at Nature. In the animal kingdom, where are there females running around with a desire to be desired? Males and/or females strut their stuff in the hope of attracting the strongest mate (best apparent genes). A need to be ‘desired’ has no place in the natural order, where survival of the strong is the rule. For humans, it likewise should be, as it has in the past, that the survival of the strong (including mentally strong) is paramount. Therefore, such desires are modern perversions of nature, from improper couplings of weak-minded men and women over several generations, and do not help the advancement of our species, or race. In fact, they support disgenic behavior.
Second, let’s look at gay men’s lifestyles. If this “desire to be desired” was a theory to explain female erratic mating/dating behavior, then one might suppose the gay men (i.e, the coupling, as unnatural as it is, of two men without this female “desire” disorder to poisoning the relationship), would be the most solid, loving, monogamous relationships around, right? However, we know that not to be true. In fact, the total opposite is true with gay men. This does not show that the supposed “desire to be desired” does not exist in women, but does show that a lack of such a desire will solve relationship problems.
So then, what is the nexus between my two points above? What is my takeaway, that puts the “big picture” in much better focus? It is that many women, especially white Western women, just as with gay men, are simply screwed up in the head, and most likely suffering from one or more diagnosable psychological conditions that we, in society, pass off instead as just a female idiosyncrasy instead of dealing with it head on. In the “good old” days, when real men ran our nations, they kept control of women, and created societies led by governments (along with the churches, before they were infiltrated by liberal Leftist SJWs) that placed a heavy hand on women’s crazy ways, including any acts of infidelity due to a need to be “desired” my some other man other than her husband. Such things had serious social and criminal ramifications.
This freed men to not waste so much time worrying about if their wife was humping the blacksmith or candlemaker while they were off doing necessary things for the nation – like discovering new worlds, colonizing foreign lands, fighting battles, and, more simply, going off to work each day. The British Empire, as just one of many examples, would have NEVER occurred with the strong social order in place to make it thrive, including the control of whorish behavior by women (all virtually all class levels), proper mating of the elites as well as the more humble stock, and the support of family unit.
In short, we have lost control of our societies, and the mental illness of women, which must be looked at as a mental illness, has been let out of “Pandora’s Box”. Stated another way, Pandora’s ‘box’ is now open for business to all c[u]mers, with no social or criminal ramifications, and actually plenty of women and men to support such ‘liberated’ behavior. Mentally unstable people have to be treated with caution and a heavy hand, not placed on pedestals, or supporting their irrational, destructive “desires”.
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[…] An article at Psychology Today titled “What Do Women Really Want?” hits all the Heartistian Realtalk notes. The author sounds like he spent his vacation at Le Chateau, and absconded with a few dusty tomes on his exit for later perusing. […]
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“Meana asserts that this aspect of female sexuality explains the prevalence of rape fantasies in the female fantasy repertoire. Rape fantasies, in this understanding, are actually fantasies about surrender, not out of masochistic yearnings to be harmed or punished, but out of the female desire to be desired by a man to the point of driving him out of control.”
You might disagree, but this is 100% true.
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It is not close to “100% true.” Masochism and punishment are components apart from simple surrender.
And it is not accurate to say the rape fantasy is about consciously yielding to superior force. It is about not having a choice in her fate whether she surrenders or not. Dominance is not about making a woman unite her will to the inevitable. His will replaces hers.
Dominance means her volition is not taken into account. Surrender has nothing to do with her being forced from point A to point B. Whether she kicks and screams all the way, or resigns herself passively to her fate, lil pumpkin is going from point A to point B.
Rape is the negation of her will, the total disregard for it. Women remain physiologically excited about this atavistic taboo despite at least a hundred years of attempted denaturing via educational and cultural tricks. But it is so fundamental to female passive nature, so entwined with her femininity, that the attempt to extract the bad thinking would result in destroying her identity as a woman. Like a psychological hysterectomy.
It’s not easy for men to understand this irreducible female truth as it is so foreign to our sex. If you did get it, you’d already be a catcher or a submissive who was into getting pegged — i.e., your wires were crossed early by severe trauma, neglect, or abuse (and now indulged by this culture in steep decline). Women reconcile themselves to feminist fraudulence by spinning tales about “surrender.”
Women want to be conquered despite putting up the best possible defenses — the man who can rampage through seemingly impenetrable/impregnable walls demonstrates himself worthy of the prize. The demonstration is the proof, not her judgment. The hoariest feminist knows this deep in her cervix, but her lifelong denial of truth has twisted her into mental and spiritual and physical ugliness.
So, as usual, “Meana” the Psychologist is as truthful about rape as political correctness and feminist goonery allows. Which I’d estimate around 20%, not 100.
Matt
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More telling is how this article is claimed for CH “Realtalk” when it directly contradicts one of his oldest truisms about male sexual narcissism.
The weaknesses of the article are apparent when you stop looking to validate your professed principles. There is a lot of rationalization going on, a lot of tiptoeing around the violent illiberal truth of the sexual exchange in the name of preserving gentle egalitarian pieties.
Should the alpha care about the female orgasm or not? Would a sociopath? Or are all these chumps who “focus on giving satisfaction” by definition betamale?
Matt
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Judgy Bitch claims to be against feminism, but then posts a nude picture of herself in her underwear in the same sentence:
“In light of the #FreeTheNipple campaign on social media, in which feminists bare their breasts as a means of defiance and empowerment, and in light of feminists false flagging anti-feminists by claiming their images contain nudity, I decided to test my page for trolls and I posted a partially nude selfie to my blog. You can see the image here.”
http://judgybitch.com/2015/03/31/freethenipple-but-only-when-its-a-feminist-nipple/
I called Judgy Bitch a whore and a feminist in denial. In response, she banned me from her blog.
Are all women irrational whores?
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Oh, this part is even better:
“I was suspended within, what …. 45 minutes? The image was reported as containing nudity, which it did, in fact, contain. But at the exact same time that feminists are claiming the right to bare their breasts, they are reporting an anti-feminist for doing exactly that thing. And not only did I post a nude, I did not make any effort to filter or photoshop out the effects of birthing and breastfeeding three children.”
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I read this aloud to my wife after a day long argument. You should have heard her protestations!
Afterward I told her I was going to fuck her. I did not ask. I told. She said emphatically,” hell no!”. I got her in the laundry room and took her in the floor. When I was done I walked off leaving herlaying there with her legs sshaking. Multiple orgasms and she wanted to hang on me for the rest of the afternoon.
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I oppose sexual medical research on ethical grounds. Therefore, any scientific data gathered from it is meaningless.
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Women technically never cheat. They tempt men, and then men choose to take aggressive action or not. Men always have a choice, to penetrate or not to penetrate. The woman cannot force the man to penetrate, but he can force her. All sex is basically rape.
This is why feminists complain about slut shaming. You loons don’t know how to take responsibility for your own actions, then you say feminists are delusional, you vile hypocrites.
[CH: are you trolling or are you out of your gourd? operators are standing by.]
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