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The Interview-Style Kiss Of Death

April 16, 2015 by CH

Reader “flies” wonders why his text game has such poor reception. Read on, and watch how quickly a girl’s sexual curiosity can turn ice cold when you sound like you’re interviewing her, (or she treats you like you’re being interviewed, and you do nothing to alter her frame).

Hello, I have a question about text game:

I’ve added recently a girl friend in Skype from my little brother’s Internet social circle (she’s living at 1h+ of driving). I was like “let’s add her, practice my text game”.

She’s a cute asian, not hesitate to make sexual innuendos. She talks to my brother a lot, but he’s in orbiter status.

After several days of her accepting my invitation, I have this text exchange, though I was out of state (I couldn’t find anything witty and stuff):

21:07 girl: Hi c:
21:25 me: hey
21:25 girl: how are you?
21:26 me: yea. You look like in great mood.
21:27 girl: Yeeeeah?
21:27 girl: What do you do?
21:28 me: training
21:29 me: you do you train
21:33 girl: yes
22:00 girl: why?

My questions are: Is it bad that I ended it like this? And What I could’ve done to make it progress more? I’m not used to text game, so it’s really tough for me.

The last few times I got a number, it all went down super fast the moment I started texting with the girls I picked up, even if the girl was attracted in person and it went well live. My guess is not enough comfort or lack of escalation (like asking the number before leaving because I didn’t escalate enough to what could’ve been a kiss in person).

My first question is, “Do you even English?” Not snarking you, I’m just wondering if some of your trouble has its origin in your broken English. If American girls are your target, broken English will be an obstacle, unless you’re from a sexy export country, like Slovenia.

My second question is, “Are you especially good-looking or do you possess high social status?” Because if you are as dull in person as your text game makes you sound, then you’ll need compensating attributes for girls to overlook your conversational torpidity.

My third question: “Why are you betraying your brother?” Maybe he’s not interested in girls that way. You should still give him a head’s-up about your backroom dealings.

Again, I’m not trying to unduly harsh your mellow. But your text exchange comes across like a very boring interview, which is doubly remarkable considering how few words you needed to convey such dullness.

Rule #1 for beginners: Don’t ask a girl what she does. First, you don’t give a shit. Second, she knows you don’t give a shit. Instead, try a teasing alternative: “I bet you’re in the [x] business. I can tell by your look.” This is a sort of cold read that chicks love, and will be much better received, leading to more fruitful conversation avenues.

Now that I’ve corrected your most glaring game misstep, I’ll point out that you’re probably on the right track in your belief that rapid number closes without sufficient emotional connection are leaving girls feeling less than enthused about you the next day when the glow of the previous night has worn off. Getting a number, however rushed, is usually better than not getting a number at all, but don’t expect your lay rate to budge upward much from a pile of hastily relinquished phone numbers that the girls probably gave you because you caught them off-guard.

Resolve never again to ask interview-style questions of girls, and make it a personal growth mission to refrain from asking girls for their numbers until you’ve passed certain pickup trail markers, as defined according to your level of comfort, that may include, say, a well-received touch on one of her erogenous zones or a verbal signal she’s into you (did she ask you three questions in a row? that’s one positive indicator of female interest).

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  1. on April 16, 2015 at 10:19 am The Interview-Style Kiss Of Death | Manosphere.com

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 10:42 am S. Remy Sheppard

      I like that you mention the emotional connection thing.

      Most guys don’t realize that when you’re using game what you’re manipulating are her emotions. All to often we think of women that are just objects to be toyed with (not disputing), but they do think and feel – you have to take that into account if you want to be successful.

      Its good that you mention that number closes don’t really amount to much without real connection.

      Chances are she’ll give you her number just to get you to go away, or to keep you happy so you don’t get violent (primal instinct on both parts). She isn’t smart enough to give you a fake number or make one up on the spot, so you end up with a real number and no connection.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 4:48 pm Arbiter

        Well, is a salesman manipulating his customer? Some are, some are not. I know people who have businesses where they really believe in their product or service, rightfully, but they still have to be good salesmen. Buy ad space, be able to answer questions the right way, be able to close the sale. If the product is good you don’t have to talk it up, but you still have to present it well. On the other hand, there are those whose product is not so good, and then the sales talk is more dishonest. So there are all kinds.

        Yes, number close – the rapport part is often forgotten, I have noticed. To some the idea is that if you just look disinterested enoug she’ll be all over you. But that’s just one aspect of game. Ever since PUA began, rapport has been part and parcel of the advice on cold opens. I remember reading a forum post, a guy who had gone to the mall and aggressively got more than a dozen numbers in a short time, and he struck out on all of them. Food for thought.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 6:42 pm Remy Sheppard

        This was my point precisely. Well said.

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  2. on April 16, 2015 at 10:39 am The Interview-Style Kiss Of Death | Neoreactive

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  3. on April 16, 2015 at 10:50 am Arbiter

    Yes, this was one of the most important things I learned when I first learned game – but about dates, not messaging. It is too easy to turn the date into an interview, because you want information, right? As a man that’s what you are focused on. The problem is, she has heard it all before, answered all the questions before. She can probably already tell if you’re a solid guy with a steady income, she doesn’t need a long information exchange. She needs to know if you are also fun to be with.

    So think of the conversation as sitting in a sailboat without bothering to steer it too much, just going where the wind takes you. Some adjustments here and there, but you don’t need to explore everything. Mainly just go where the refreshing wind takes you and where the glittering waters are. (Yes, I went sailing in the weekend, why?) Then stop the conversation. Go do something else. Look, a squirrel!

    Or if it’s in messaging, stop quickly because electronic conversations kill the spark. Pick it up again some other time and then stop again. It is face time that matters, don’t try to build too much rapport in text.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 11:40 am mendozatorres

      I like the sailing analogy and good thing it was still fresh in your mind. I’ve always had a good way of moving convo’s here and there, my main focus is on opening and definitely avoiding the store-bought interview method.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 4:54 pm Arbiter

        When it comes to cold opens, I STILL feel that feeling in the pit of my stomach. It doesn’t go away. You can only learn to deal with it, I guess. As for the conversation, and as for opening someone you already know, that’s almost on auto pilot. I have found myself going in the same directions, telling the same anecdotes, but of course you mix it up. Overall, since I learned game, I have approached … it’s too much to count. But I have counted how many approaches led to success. Good times. And once in a while you are lucky in a way that gives you stories no one would believe if you told them. It’s like when you’re doing archery, and there’s that one time you cleave an earlier arrow in the bull’s-eye with the next arrow. Takes a lot of arrows before that happens though.

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      • on April 18, 2015 at 5:01 am DirtyOldMan

        You are a roll with the analogies. Liked the many arrows to cleave a bulleye one.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 11:52 am Ang Aamer

      I liked the sailing analogy too…
      It’s a good visual. It reminds me that many times it’s the guy who prevents the spark of female interest.

      Most women are so verbal they just can’t help but game themselves sometimes.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 5:01 pm Arbiter

        Yes, I have to keep that in mind myself, because I often feel like going back in a conversation and follow up on threads. Have to remind myself that that’s not the point.

        Talkative women, oh boy. I remember one time I went on a date with a girl I met on the internet, back when I did that kind of thing. Boy, could she talk! Everything I said she turned back to be about her. Like, when I mentioned a town with a brewery, and I had something to add about that, she went, “I don’t like beer so much. I like cider, because….” That happened about a hundred times. I knew I had to cut her off sometimes but do it in the right way, so it felt like a wrestling match, and then I realized this was one of those times – you have to accept you hit the reef sometimes. I was thinking, this girl is gonna have a hard time when she’s not pretty anymore. And she wasn’t even THAT pretty.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 6:12 pm King

        I like c h e w i n g g u m.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 5:41 pm King

      So think of the conversation as sitting in a sailboat without bothering to steer it too much, just going where the wind takes you. Some adjustments here and there, but you don’t need to explore everything. Mainly just go where the refreshing wind takes you and where the glittering waters are.

      The captain of a ship going nowhere. This may be the worst analogy in the history of bad PUA analogies.

      Leading a conversation doesn’t mean being a stichomythic spazwit firing off a thousand questions. It can have lulls and unexpected turns, long silences, changes of tone. But always control, even if it is with a lax grip. Women want to be taken for a ride with a sure pilot, not get trapped on a dinghy with a directionless dingbat.

      Alpha is synonymous with leadership. That’s what the ethological term means. The leader of the pack does not dominate his group because he’s good at attracting women under false pretenses; he attracts women because he leads his pack. You all would save a great deal of time by investigating time-tested tracts on how to develop a command presence rather than parsing poosy poseurs who have to reinvent the wheel to momentarily disorient drunk, loose women into fuck position.

      Yes, I went sailing in [sic] the weekend, why?

      Why? Because we want to know if any of your passengers survived.

      Matt

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 6:21 pm Bel Riose

        Who are these stuffed animals with which you word-joust?

        Tell us, please, how many women you’ve “taken for a ride” as a “sure pilot.”

        And give specifics, please. I’m sure it would make for a fascinating tale.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 6:51 pm King

        Handsome General Riose has plenty of intergalactic tales with which to regale us, this “taker of calculated risks” in our midst.

        Frankly, I’m embarrassed. I deserve a better class of ankle-biter than some middle-aged trekkie masturbating over spaceship swishbucklers.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 7:34 pm The Spirit Within

        @Bel Riose

        Vow of celibacy explains everything.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 7:50 pm King

        You were better when you posted as “Jason.” I kind of liked that version of you, despite your facile politics. The divorce scrambled you up, son.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 7:52 pm Bel Riose

        I’ve no idea who “Jason” is.

        And I note you’ve ignored the question. Rather pusillanimous of you, don’t you think? You’re a virgin, and you’ve admitted as much: it’s manlier to just own it, and not duck behind a rather awkward silence.

        (((shakin’ mah haid)))

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 8:07 pm Daniel Plainview

        Spot on King. Human interaction is far more complex than some rigid, inflexible concept of alpha/beta.

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      • on April 17, 2015 at 4:49 am Captain Obvious

        In defense of Arbiter, sailing is something you do for FUN. An act of whimsy. Out of caprice. And it gets back to my question which I ask here from time to time: Do you guys even ENJOY the company of women? As I was saying to Ohiomega the other day [on the subject of boozing it up]: Sitting in a cafe, or on a blanket in the park, and sipping on a nice glass of wine, with a women whose company you ENJOY, is one of the funnest things you can do in this life. God didn’t create us to be miserable all the time. Maybe 99% of the time. But not 100% of the time.

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      • on April 17, 2015 at 8:55 am 47 Ronin

        @ Bel / Spirit

        “Manlier” as opposed to what? Being a slave to pussy and having the acquisition thereof define you or, making a vow and actually keeping it?

        And before you spew “VIRGINZ”, dad was a 6’3″ nationally ranked collegiate wrestler and mom was a beauty queen. To say I’ve been physically blessed with good genes is an understatement. Even before I choked down the red pill, pussy was easy come, easy go.

        In the end, it’s a temporary patch on the hole inside every man that yearns to be like the warrior kings we read about as kids: wise, steadfast, leaders of men. True manhood / alpha is forged. Unless Game takes you beyond merely rutting like an animal, it’s worthless and fleeting.

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      • on April 17, 2015 at 9:26 am Greg Eliot

        They say you can judge a man by his friends.

        This latest alliance of StraponWithin and BelRiosie/Stillicho/SockPuppyDeluxe solidifies that maxim beyond all reproach.

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 8:13 am anonywhitebra

      Good, good. Nothing worse than an interview date. Think of the conversation as free association, always thinking of ways that the previous idea might connect to something new, even if it’s tangential, ESPECIALLY if it’s tangential. And yeah, if something in the environment grabs your interest, go in that direction, and suddenly. Getting stuck on one topic for a long time kills sexy vibe, unless it’s a sexy conversation, because then you’re getting SO LAID, my man.

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  4. on April 16, 2015 at 11:01 am chi-town

    Flirting. teasing and having fun tends to be the goal here. I cannot ever remember it ever going well otherwise.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 11:09 am S. Remy Sheppard

      Nor can I remember electronics making these things easier. Usually electronic communication makes it harder – especially if you run that asshole game. Sarcasm doesn’t read well.

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      • on April 18, 2015 at 11:23 am Wednesday

        Electronic messaging chicks is boring as shit. I’d rather staple my eyelids to a cubicle wall and put in overtime than ever instant message another one of these attention-whoring thumbdumpsters again.

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  5. on April 16, 2015 at 11:10 am Karl

    additional OT.

    Beginning stirrings of anti-hivemend RP thinking:

    http://www.freerangekids.com

    children wearing leashes and living in emotional/cultural cages, will grow up to be the servant class of those who grew up Free Range

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 11:54 am everybodyhatesscott

      Maybe. Or they’ll throw all the free range parents in jail and let the state raise them. Can’t have people going against the herd. I’m a big fan of the free range people, I just happen to also be a pessimist.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 2:44 pm Daniel Plainview

      It boggles my mind how the left can get away with portraying the right as the side of cruelty and evil while portraying themselves as the side of kindness and love.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 3:03 pm Greg Eliot

        Anything that is the exact opposite of what it purports to be is one of the tells of Satanic origin.

        That “light of the world” thing is a fine example.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 3:11 pm Greg Eliot

        I’m speaking, of course, not of the gospel reference spoken by Jesus Christ…

        I’m speaking of the use of that term by a certain sector of folk who vaingloriously fancy themselves and their so-called humanitarian endeavors in that “light”.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 3:13 pm Greg Eliot

        “Light unto the nations” is the more correct expression.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 3:21 pm Anonymous

        Hivemind SOP. Think up the biggest lie you can, then hammer at it endlessly. Freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, etc. When contradictory evidence emerges (as it must), double down and screech even louder.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 4:43 pm Daniel Plainview

        Christ had their number for sure and they killed him for it. And then twisted his teachings to immunize themselves against natural, inevitable backlash from Europeans.

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  6. on April 16, 2015 at 11:20 am sean

    Who cares if your betraying your brother. Every girl is always in play. Lil brother can take your girls too. Best game is worked when that is assumed. Competition improves both people.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 11:23 am PA

      Bros before ho’s

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 4:02 pm BigAl

        Agreed. This guy sounds like a weiner

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 11:56 am everybodyhatesscott

      If you go around backstabbing family, it will bite you in the ass. Friends too. If you’re the alpha of a group going around fucking all your friends prospects, you’re going to end up with not too many friends and a good friendship is more valuable than pussy.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 11:58 am Remy Sheppard

        Yup. This. All day. I once wrote that just because you run asshole game doesn’t mean you actually have to be an asshole.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 12:16 pm 47 Ronin

      Take the pussy off the pedestal, it’s never worth that price.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 2:15 pm PWN

      Wrote a comment to Arbiter, but wordpress sucks and it disappeared. Not going to bother writing it again or writing any serious comments(wrote a FR that disappeared yesterday too, so fuck writing comments).

      This being said, your strategy sucks because on the long run, you will have no social proof because you will have no friends and flings aren’t worth friendships, let alone your family. I’m not really close to my brother, but if I needed 10,000 Euros to get surgery, I’d have it in a week. I don’t even talk to any of the girls I fucked or dated that I don’t currently fuck, excluding my ex.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 5:06 pm Arbiter

        The comment might show up two, twelve or twenty-four hours later. Or not at all. We’ll see. But very often when people think a comment has gone down the drain, if you look again the next day it’s there.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 2:56 pm Greg Eliot

      sean, c’mon over here so I can smack a spark off yo’ haid.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 6:00 pm King

      Who cares if your betraying your brother. Every girl is always in play. Lil brother can take your girls too. Best game is worked when that is assumed. Competition improves both people.

      This illiterate response defeats itself. Nonetheless, it points out the most acutely obvious problem with the Religion of Game. Its congregation places the pussy on the highest pedestal there is, worshiped to such an extreme that antisocial insects like “sean” will gladly climb over his brother to get a whiff of strange.

      PUAs are expert in not betraying the signs of vagina veneration — for practical reasons, because they have discovered it’s a turn-off counterproductive to their shallow aims — but they are the most zealous pussy beggars there ever were. Defining Alpha strictly through quantity of temporary female attraction is the most obvious giveaway.

      The smarter (aging) lotharios should just acknowledge this, rather than rationalizing the pussy whip all the way to their senescence in a speedo at the Florida nursing home pool. But the oldest ones have the most to lose by giving up long-held delusions, so expect their trusty truisms to harden along with their leathery skin as they waste away “poolside.”

      Matt

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 9:38 pm Mario

      If You mean, brother – as a blood relative then selling brother for a one particular pussy is the apex of despair. Manipulated puppet instead of an oak tree. Whats next ? Your soul for a bucket of chicken wings? Pussy of the pedestal, Yourself, family, power, money, status first , but do what you do.

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  7. on April 16, 2015 at 11:30 am Benson

    If your jobs come up during a conversation, “So what do you do?” can easily be rephrased as “Do you have an [creative adjective] job?” Give her an opportunity to make fun of her boring work and she’ll happily take you up on it. And it’s a good way to transition to a better topic.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 2:18 pm PWN

      What if I don’t have a job? I consider playing poker for a living.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 2:57 pm Greg Eliot

        I’ve always considered “What do you do for a living?” to be an unfair question.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 4:02 pm jez

        Say that, then. That’s not bad.

        Or make something up. Assassin. Gynaecologist. Garbage collector.

        Or answer a question with a question. “Depends — what day is this?” Or, “Are these your best questions?”

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 4:03 pm BigAl

        I do brunettes for a living

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 5:43 pm PWN

        jez, I wasn’t clear, sorry. I do know this strategy of giving a non-serious, but droll answer. The problem is that if you want to be serious, you will have to eventually let her know what you really are doing and I’ve seen girls leave guys over not having real jobs(including a guy raking in $300k+ a year from poker).

        I also know how to portray playing poker for a living(essentially, playing a large number of tables in the same time and reviewing your hands afterwards each day) in a more glamorous way.

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      • on April 17, 2015 at 5:00 am Captain Obvious

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    • on April 18, 2015 at 7:18 am sadlolz

      Greg,

      It’s really the fairest question they can ask. Pure darwinism: How can you support / impress me?

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  8. on April 16, 2015 at 11:37 am elmer

    This “texting” thing I do not understand. But somewhat on-topic is that my work pipeline filled up when I stopped interviewing for jobs (guaranteed humiliation) and started selling my services.

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  9. on April 16, 2015 at 11:50 am corvinus

    Resolve never again to ask interview-style questions of girls, and make it a personal growth mission to refrain from asking girls for their numbers until you’ve passed certain pickup trail markers, as defined according to your level of comfort, that may include, say, a well-received touch on one of her erogenous zones or a verbal signal she’s into you (did she ask you three questions in a row? that’s one positive indicator of female interest).

    I think this is something else important to keep in mind. If you’re good at collecting numbers, sure, that’s one piece of the puzzle, but you also have to work on teasing, flirting, and otherwise having fun with them. And yes, that would include kino. Don’t be a boring beta male.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 6:21 pm walawala

      @Corvinus…. When I get asked “What do you do?” I usually reply with: “Just your average international man of mystery….”

      Which results in a nervous laugh and more questions…..

      I had a chat with a girl I was gaming who started to get boring, was ‘busy’ and would text me late at night just for attention:

      Her: What’s walawala up to tonite?

      Me: robbing banks, breaking hearts…the usual

      xxx

      another exchange:

      Her: I’ll be a little late

      Me; In that case you’re buying the first round of drinks

      Her: What!???!

      Me: Lolzzz

      xxx

      With one girl I was banging she got me at a busy moment and I couldn’t meet her for drinks that night: I replied with a serious answer how I was busy but we could meet another time.

      Her reply sealed it for me. She said “Wow that’s the longest text you’ve ever sent me…”

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  10. on April 16, 2015 at 12:07 pm cheesetrader

    Whenever a girl asks me about my job – like in the above example – I say something like “Smuggle drugs, run guns and I do a bit of pimpin’ on the side”

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 12:43 pm Remy Sheppard

      Game Recognized.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 1:00 pm cheesetrader

        Loads of follow up potential depending on how she responds…”haha – what do u do for real” gets a “Okay – you caught me – I’m a 3rd world dictator” – guns/drugs/pimpin responses get something more appropriate

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 1:07 pm Benson

      “I’m a male stripper.” Escalates the interaction, too.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 2:58 pm Greg Eliot

        Sometimes I say I work for Chippendale’s… and would she like me to build her a nice shrank.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 2:20 pm PWN

      I once told a girl I organize team building events for brothels. lol. It was funny because it lead the conversation to how that would actually be.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 2:43 pm cheesetrader

        That’s awesome – stealing

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 2:51 pm mendozatorres

        That is rad. I, too, am stealing!

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 3:01 pm Greg Eliot

      My other goto is that I’m a semi-retired gynecologist… I still go into the office once or twice a week, just to keep a hand in.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 3:16 pm Benson

        Those are all awesome answers. Reading them reminds me of just how fun it is to lead the conversation, and how much girls appreciate it.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 4:58 pm PWN

        In 9th grade, we got asked what we’d like to be when we grow up and this classmate said he’d like to be a gynecologist as a joke. It made everyone laugh.

        Unrelated, in my first years of university, before the online poker scene collapsed half a decade ago, I didn’t feel like telling girls I play a game online for hours on end so I had to come up with a roundabout way to break it in. I asked them if, when kids, got a thrill by taking toys from other children and lead to how you feel when you’re killing it at the tables. It was funny because it was a great rush. While I came out ahead and financed my partying with most of my winnings(why couldn’t I have opened a business? lol), it was hard to explain to girls why I felt like shit when I lost in an hour what they’d make in half a year of working as college students. It was also that girls don’t understand that if you have $10,000 in your account, you need to use it to ride out variance and can’t just take it out and spend it.

        If you want to be truthful and don’t have a trendy profession, just come up with a roundabout way to explain it. For example, astrophysicists are nerdy, but their field can be amazing for pickup. If you know basic astronomy, you can turn a walk under the stars into something pretty cool, for example. If you’re an accountant, come up with some story about numbers etc. If you explain it in a creative way, she won’t be able to accountant = geek = dry pussy.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 5:01 pm PWN

        To expand on what I said. Women emote a lot so just evoke feelings when you explain your profession. She will find whatever you do interesting because of her own feelings. It can be flinging manure at little children if you know how to make her feel excited about it. lol

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      • on April 18, 2015 at 7:20 am sadlolz

        PWN,

        Good tactic.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 3:34 pm corvinus

      IOW, tease the snot out of them. Better than being a boring beta male.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 4:25 pm Hackett To Bits

        @cornvinus

        Agreed. Tease like mad.

        Some of my text responses to ‘so what do you do?’ have included
        I’m a:
        -drag queen
        -spy
        -rock star…I’m world famous in [hometown]
        -former President
        -does shepherd count?

        Keep it unrelenting -fun- at that stage.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 3:55 pm mendozatorres

      I’m a banker and if they pull out too soon, they’ll lose interest and their assets will depreciate.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 4:44 pm Greg Eliot

      One last one I used to use:

      “I’m a lounge singer and have had several Top 10 hits in Australia… I’m not well known around these parts, but I’m big Down Under.”

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 5:17 pm Arbiter

      Whenever a girl asks me about my job – like in the above example – I say something like “Smuggle drugs, run guns and I do a bit of pimpin’ on the side”

      There was one girl who kept asking me on a date, “What’s your dream?” I never answered that one. But she kept coming back to it, so I wonder if she was going somewhere with that. Something she always asked on dates, maybe, and I imagine the other guys all dutifully replied, because this girl was hot. Every time I just gave her some dastardly answer. Dream – to talk with you, of course! No, to rob a bank – do you have a ski mask? To be a dictator, it looks so cool with a cape and everything.

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 5:02 am Captain Obvious

      “Can’t meet up this afternoon – I gotta check in with my Parole Officer. TTYL.”

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 8:27 am anonywhitebra

      I tell her I make about $60,000 a year, have five figures in the bank, and 47% equity in my house. I’ve never had a European woman ask me what I do — it’s totally a stupid American thing, a very dumb question because 95% of men have boring jobs and 99.99% of women have boring jobs.

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  11. on April 16, 2015 at 12:11 pm elmer

    When they ask “do you have any black friends” is when you invoke my killer app CloudBlackFriend, who will send you a personalized most def tweet or other “social media” channel message.

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  12. on April 16, 2015 at 12:16 pm ER

    http://media.independent.com/img/croppedphotos/2014/05/24/elliot_rodger_t479.jpg?ad14627618f647f3902aa65ed5ac8237c798b1ef

    “though I was out of state (I couldn’t find anything witty and stuff)”

    sup Playa… My text game is mad bro… Catch this:

    21:07 girl: Hi ER
    21:25 me: hey you fucking sloot. Stop banging those frat bros you whore.
    21:25 girl: how are you?
    21:26 me: How’m I? FUCK YOU! All women are cock teasing liars.
    21:27 girl: Yeeeeah?
    21:27 girl: What do you do?
    21:28 me: Kill bitches! Fuck off! DIE!
    21:30 me:
    ,–^———-,——–,—–,——-^—,
    | ||||||||| `——–‘ | o
    `+—————————^———-|
    `\_,——-, __________________ __|
    / XXXXXX /`| /
    / XXXXXX / `\ /
    / XXXXXX /\______(
    / XXXXXX /
    / XXXXXX /
    (________(
    `——‘

    But for realz… serious question bros. Like which is madder PIMP hand? A 6 series or TWO 3 series????

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 5:13 pm PWN

      He should have went to university in Eastern Europe. It wouldn’t have helped him education wise, but he would have swam in pussy because of his money and being a Westerner.

      I find it funny because while Westerners moan about their girls being sluts, Eastern European girls are often outright whores. I know someone who spent serious money(a few times this guy’s BMW), but he literally had a perpetually refreshing harem of girls at his pleasure.

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  13. on April 16, 2015 at 1:36 pm Lichthof

    Girl at work – she’s 25..I’m 37..she had a history of not getting her timesheet in on time. This week she did

    9.27 Me : Timesheet- boooooooo! Hiss!!
    9.29 Her: Are you unhappy that its already done?
    9.37 Me: Yes – now I can’t bug you
    9.39 Her: LOL – I’ll try to slack off next time
    9.42 Me: I can only handle predictability
    9.43 Her: Gotta keep you on your toes!
    9.45 Me: And there’s no beer left (in staff kitchen)
    9.45 Her: I drank it all. Dark times here at (firm’s name)
    9.55 Me: Not into dark beer but (bar name) has a grolsch – we will go sometime – wait haven’t I been here before?

    Within minutes she was by my desk and 2 hours later asked me to lunch.

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  14. on April 16, 2015 at 2:58 pm Anonymous

    “You call yourself a player
    But I fucked your wife”

    No wonder that pseudo thug went down hard

    bros before hos 4ever. There’s always gonna be another hairy piece of meat down the stream – fresher, tighter

    Oink

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  15. on April 16, 2015 at 4:40 pm PWN

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2010/10/the_riddle_of_the_sphincter.html
    lol. Slate is so silly.

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  16. on April 16, 2015 at 4:59 pm Daniel Plainview

    Probably be better for him to screw her; if he has a decent character the minor humiliation of it should light a spark under him and make him realize hes not doing it right, at which point older bro could give him some tips on sacking up. Real male guidance from a father figure type is the biggest reason for the timidness of men you see these days.

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  17. on April 16, 2015 at 6:08 pm Raecal Fesidue

    “out of state”? on the internet? The prevailing “state” on the internet is obtained by people cranking on their genitals, like they’re manually priming a water pump, while flicking over and back to jooporn. Throw in a bit of scratching of itchy anuses, and you’ve got the perfect description of these computer Casanovas that are collecting the hymens of the indiscriminate trollops that now pass as women. “Sup”, “gay”, “…”, etc, are as devastating as Shakespearian sonnets when decoupled from halitosis.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 6:15 pm Daniel Plainview

      “…manually priming a water pump”

      Made me laugh.

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  18. on April 16, 2015 at 6:29 pm Putin

    “Don’t ask a girl what she does. First, you don’t give a shit. Second, she knows you don’t give a shit. Instead, try a teasing alternative: “I bet you’re in the [x] business. I can tell by your look.” This is a sort of cold read that chicks love, and will be much better received, leading to more fruitful conversation avenues.”- Nice

    “I’ll point out that you’re probably on the right track in your belief that rapid number closes without sufficient emotional connection are leaving girls feeling less than enthused about you the next day when the glow of the previous night has worn off.” Excellent knowledge base here.

    “Getting a number, however rushed, is usually better than not getting a number at all, but don’t expect your lay rate to budge upward much from a pile of hastily relinquished phone numbers that the girls probably gave you because you caught them off-guard.” Thanks CH I needed to hear this.

    “Resolve never again to ask interview-style questions of girls, and make it a personal growth mission to refrain from asking girls for their numbers until you’ve passed certain pickup trail markers, as defined according to your level of comfort, that may include, say, a well-received touch on one of her erogenous zones or a verbal signal she’s into you (did she ask you three questions in a row? that’s one positive indicator of female interest).”- Excellent but I would like the full detailed list please.

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  19. on April 16, 2015 at 6:37 pm Putin

    At the risk of setting off Greg Eliot I had an interesting day.

    Was talking on the phone outside coffee house. Had a gal that worked there drive up and walk by me then leave and walk by me again. Without going into too much detail she is throwing off groupy/stalker vibes. Of course she is a low SMV. Had another gal come from my backside and had head turned toward me as she was going to the front of me. Realized she was checking me out. She slowed down, smiled and was about to say something but then hesitated probably because of my mildly surprised look while talking on the phone. She was a 7.

    Always have to be ready.

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 7:07 am Greg Eliot

      Thanks for the rent-free living space in yo’ haid…

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  20. on April 16, 2015 at 6:47 pm Johnny Redux

    It’s tough to think about game when there are so many genocidal/suicidal morons like this around: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-32335089

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  21. on April 16, 2015 at 8:29 pm Rum

    A young 30 year old Asian guy I know something about recently tried to kill himself because he had concluded that his future prospects were, in regard to the bang-bang, were not worth living for.
    I went out of my way not to help him.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 8:45 pm SC

      If I knew him I would have gone out of my way to help him for the sole reason of not helping you.

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      • on April 16, 2015 at 9:58 pm Rum

        The guy also has cancer of the ass and can expect to have constant, brutal, agonizing pain with the inevitable recurrences. Then he gets to meet his ancestors.(In death) Who may or may not want to kill him again-for real.

        I am just trying to inspire the better angels of your natures….

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 8:49 pm Anonymous

      Future prospects for a women?

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    • on April 18, 2015 at 7:26 am sadlolz

      RIP Wilkes McDermid

      https://wilkes888.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/my-final-blog-entry-love-you-all/

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  22. on April 16, 2015 at 8:47 pm SuperFucker!

    A phone number is merely a means to continue a really great connection. They are also a terrible way to begin one.

    I’ve had some great connections with girls, then couldn’t get any follow up. Who knows why? They were ovulating when we met and now they’re not. They got shy. Met someone else. They remembered that they have a boyfriend. Who knows? Point is, if I’d taken the interaction far enough it wouldn’t be an issue.

    Numbers are a terrible distraction from the goal of getting laid. When you meet a girl, strike while the pussy’s hot, and aim for a roll in the hay that day. Focus on going deeper with her rather than grabbing her number and then running away with your retarded false prize.

    If you’re smooth enough, she will be asking for YOUR number.

    And stop knocking your cock against the wall with ridiculous, uphill conversations like the one above. You might as well be trying to game a tavern wench that lived during the middle ages using a Ouija board. The connection is THAT faint. We’re talking digital communication here, the single-celled organism of the communication ecosystem.

    Go out and build a real rapport with a real woman, in real time, where you actually see each other’s body language. (Imagine!) You will get MUCH better results for a fraction of the time wasted and headaches incurred.

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 6:01 am Johnny Redux

      Interesting side note: Is it not a little depressing to see all of the younger woman in locations where one should normally chat and meet (e.g., the gym) either using headphones or attached to their cell phones? I think that smart phones (for dumb people) are one of the WORST inventions for femals, in particular, because a social beings they simply cannot put them down.

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      • on April 17, 2015 at 6:02 am Johnny Redux

        females

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  23. on April 16, 2015 at 9:07 pm Putin

    “I’ve had some great connections with girls, then couldn’t get any follow up. Who knows why? They were ovulating when we met and now they’re not. They got shy. Met someone else. They remembered that they have a boyfriend. Who knows? Point is, if I’d taken the interaction far enough it wouldn’t be an issue.” – Agree

    “If you’re smooth enough, she will be asking for YOUR number.”- That happened to me but it was when I ran into her the second time. Which is why I am a believer in just making an introduction.

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  24. on April 16, 2015 at 11:15 pm PA

    The CH alpha/beta scale measures a man by a single factor: his attractiveness to women. Hence the simple one-dimensional quality of the scale. Vox Day’s scale, which some say overcomplicates things, is useful because it measures a man by his relation with other men, with female attraction being the byproduct of his standing among men. The subject of VD’s scale and music has ocme up before, so here is my select list of songs of each rank:

    Alpha: songs about fun and fucking, with the occasional sensitive song being transparently about damage control and harem management, Examples: anything by Rolling Stones, with “Angie” being the sensitive damage-control song. Also Mac Davis “Don’t Get Hooked on Me.”

    Beta: any fun, good natured, benevolent towards women love song in which the speaker speaks from a position of strength. Examples: most Bon Jovi songs.

    Delta: love songs in which the speaker is a normal man who happens to be bewildered by female caprice or has misplaced guilt. Examples: Most 80s love songs. Notably: “Careless Whisper” (misplaced guilt), “You’ve Lost that Loving Feeling” (a normal man’s bewilderment with his woman’s growing coldness). Lots of great songs here, including worthies like Jeff Buckley’s rendition of “Hallelujah.” The delta is the ordinary man, with the ordinary man’s struggles that most of us can relate to.

    Gamma: love songs that betray the speaker’s low socio-sexual status or reveal anger with women’s inscrutable cruelty. Examples: anything by The Cure or the Smiths/Morrissey (it’s worth saying that the artistic quality of some acts transcends any ranking scale). Other examples: REO Speedwagon “Keep on Loving You”, Billy Vera “At this Moment” (cuckold-acceptance in both cases). Remember folks, self-basemen lies on the bedrock of passive aggression, which rests on anger.

    Omega: love songs in which the speaker is revealed as damaged, or living in his own head, disconnected from humanity. Examples: songs from Pink Floyd’s “The Wall,” or Radiohead “Creep”.

    Lambda: stuff by the Pet Shop Boys or Village People, for starters. Melodrama like “Bohemian Rhapsody.” High art like Tears for Fears “Mad World”.

    Sigma: that’s the rare man outside of the conventional socio-sexual ranking, who nonetheless wins the respect of alphas and love of women. Suggestions for songs?

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 11:36 pm PA

      I fucked up on closing the bold tags on Lambda, so no, I am not gay and I was not trying to highlight Lambdaness.

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    • on April 16, 2015 at 11:39 pm PA

      More Lambda: many REM songs, I suspect.

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 12:31 am bookooball

      A sigma will usually listen to unconventional or underground music that attracts nonconforming females (i.e. edm)

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 4:00 am walawala

      Sigma examples: The Joker by Steve Miller Band

      The Rover by Led Zeppelin

      Maybe I Was Only Joking…Rod Stewart there’s a loner/alpha attitude..”In and out of jobs, running free, waging war on society…”

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 6:42 am Daniel Plainview

      The measure of a man is not how many women he gets, at least not solely. Ive heard CH talk before about being “outcome independent”, or inner Game; this is the best way to get women, build up your confidence, talents, and status and you wont need game; women will be seeking out YOU. Practicing rote line and techniques is the ultimate form of putting the pussy on a pedestal and your inner state always shines through despite any efforts to conceal it.

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      • on April 17, 2015 at 6:58 am PA

        CH, he’s right. Hang it up and delete all your game posts. As any woman can tell you, real men don’t need game. Just be attractive and don’t be unattractive.

        I help coach a youth league. Think I’m gonna stop teaching these kids any techniques and just tell them to be awesome and the W column will take care of itself.

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 6:53 am Daniel Plainview

      Also I can relate to that Sigma ranking, I hung out with a guy who was just like that in high school; tough, take no shit alpha attitude but no effort to conform at all, it worked fine for him and he pulled a fair amount of ass and I would say I fit in that category myself for a short period after hs.

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      • on April 17, 2015 at 7:00 am PA

        I chuckled recalling the truism that the surest mark of a gamma is his rush to tell others that he’s a sigma.

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      • on April 17, 2015 at 8:54 am Daniel Plainview

        Gamma sigma lamda… dork.

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      • on April 17, 2015 at 9:34 am Greg Eliot

        What about the sorely-neglected omicrons?

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      • on April 17, 2015 at 9:40 am Daniel Plainview

        Cant forget those!

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 9:10 am Greg Eliot

      Yeah, but those Omega Mu’s sure know how to party!

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 1:09 pm corvinus

      Vox Day’s scale, which some say overcomplicates things,

      Nah… it’s easy.

      CH betas are either Delta or Gamma. The normal, usual ones are Deltas, and the whiny bitterbetas / particuarly engratiating saccharine lesser betas that may be mistaken for queers are Gammas.

      CH alphas are either Alpha, Beta, or Sigma. Specifically, apex/super alphas, lesser alphas, and asocial renegade/lone wolf alphas, respectively.

      Omegas are the same either way.

      I also suspect that in many respects, queer/Lambda is simply Gamma amped up. There’s a reason most Gammas love Dan Savage, after all.

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  25. on April 17, 2015 at 12:21 am bookooball

    So tonight after class a good kid I go to school with offers to smoke a bowl me after class. He has seen my prowess in action at the school, has admired me so he began asking me questions about females in his own life. Since I can tell he’s ready for the red pill I open the floodgates of information. I give him many sites, including this one. He mentions his faith in God due to the conflict of the pills bitterness, which I proudly explain my personal experiences with our creator and how the anger phase will pass and to love women for the gentle flowers they are. He nods in agreement when suddenly at that moment an owl swoops down and lands directly in front of us on a sign and just starts staring at him. I told him owls are said to bring wisdom. He smiled, shook my hand and thanked me, then we parted ways.

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 9:33 am Greg Eliot

      Cool story, bro.

      And I sincerely mean that. 😉

      //I love it when a hackneyed reply meme truly suits the occasion:

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      • on April 17, 2015 at 11:43 am bookooball

        Thanks. It felt fitting for the occasion, and I had a feeling you’d like it.

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  26. on April 17, 2015 at 1:39 am The Chrome Microphone

    I’d have sent one more reply
    “Because… it explains why your left arm’s so much bigger than the right” or some other tease/non-sequitur
    She asked the question, why give up before you’ve conveyed any personality

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  27. on April 17, 2015 at 8:13 am Anonymous

    My wife loves it when I withhold sex. She could go years without it.

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 9:09 am Greg Eliot

      Sort of like when George asked Susan for a pre-nup?

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  28. on April 17, 2015 at 8:52 am Anonymous

    How come the guys who work at Whole Foods have beards, are feminine and wear fairy shoes?

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 11:45 am bookooball

      They think the beard masks their feminimity.

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    • on April 17, 2015 at 1:10 pm corvinus

      Hipster beards. Learn them, recognize them.

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      • on April 17, 2015 at 2:00 pm bookooball

        Not hard considering merchants are plastering them all over the TV these days.

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  29. on April 17, 2015 at 11:34 am elmer

    It’s Friday, I’m tryin to get some work done, and the internet claws at me :

    http://www.alternet.org/how-bitter-men-mra-movement-ruin-things-other-guys

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  30. on April 18, 2015 at 7:11 am sadlolz

    “I’m not trying to unduly harsh your mellow.”

    grunge flashback humor

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    […] Reader “flies” wonders why his text game has such poor reception.  […]

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  32. on April 19, 2015 at 5:19 pm Frank Lee

    “Its good that you mention that number closes don’t really amount to much without real connection.”

    Amen to that. Case study: Style’s “The Game.” Number closes like mad, with sexual intercourse seldom happening.

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