Recalling that feminist “””social experiment””” video which triggered millions of androgynous Millennials to ecstatic retweeting, commenter “anonymous” hit upon the primary design flaw which renders the feminist-friendly result absolutely worthless:
Experimenter bias
In social science, especially in an experiment like this, the experimenter interacting with subjects should be blind to the hypothesis being tested.
The 1989 Clark and Hatfield study mentioned in the page linked to had it right. Asking a random sample of unwitting subjects to proposition other random subjects of the opposite sex. 70 percent seems about right to me with that methodology.
With what was done in this video, the experimenter can give all kinds of subtle cues pushing the guys to give the answer they want. In addition they can exhibit selection bias- choosing guys that seem likely to give the answer they want. You should notice there were more yes answers in the beginning and more no answers later. She gradually got better at getting the answer she wanted later. (The video seemed to be in chronological order). I skipped around and didn’t watch the whole thing, but I also noticed a larger proportion of guys saying they were gay (or that came across as really obviously gay without saying it) than exist in the general population. To me that is a red flag as to the biases (either conscious or not) of those making the video. By the way the real proportion of gays is between 2 and 3 percent; the 10% number that gets repeated a lot is bullshit.
In a nutshell, if they wanted an answer of 0/100 or an answer of 100/100 she (and the people working with her) could “discover” whatever they wanted to discover. It’s not science with this methodology.
She looks good by the way. I would sleep with her. As a woman of course that’s the only thing she’s here on this planet for. Just a reminder
There were, in fact, multiple biases at work in that “girl asks men for sex” femcunt troll job, but experimenter bias is… as a mewling ankle-biter might say… the most “problematic”. Read the CH commenters to learn which other biases corrupted the 30% result.
(Another problem with the experiment design was what I call the “incredulity factor”. The girl gradually learned to deliberately hit on the kinds of men who are least likely to garner the attention of young attractive women, and these men probably surmised as a result that she was part of an underage solicitation sting operation, or she was taking the piss with them.)
Men and women are so completely different in the realm of sexual psychology that it’s not much of a surprise to discover that some men, when openly propositioned by a semi-cute stranger, will immediately doubt her motives. The real surprise is how many men are willing to cast aside their rational doubts and throw caution to the wind; that’s a powerful demonstration of a serious sex difference in predilection for the pleasures of casual sex; men are simply wired to want it, and to avail themselves of it, far more often and with more intensity than are women. But of course, your grandma would be able to tell you this without a stack of social science studies to back her up.
It won’t be long before we’ll have to amend that last clause to specify “great-grandma”, with the way this country is accelerating past timeless truths.
Update #2
Commenter Wake makes some good points.
Her approach induces a mass raising of red flags, it’s sooooo fake. Her body language is not that of a horny chick, quite the contrary (look for crossed arms, backward leaning, etc): it oozes revulsion. Her voice tonality is also incongruent with the message. No sane woman proposes directly and that fast (compare how often did your fuckbuddy/girlfriend /wife do that?). A horny girl would compliment first, chit chat for a minute at least and then would propose to look for an intimate location with a BS pretext, the subject of sex would at best be alluded to.
Most of the men refusing her offer could tell she was insincere. The 30% figure is thus looking like an incredibly high number of positive responses given all the negative body language signals she was sending out.
But, feminists gonna feminist, like shit gonna stink.
Ok, ok. I said “selextion biazes lozolol” but I was close enough. same difference, just didn’t call out the bad actor.
And I DID GBFM the shit out of that too, lets be real.
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I liked the older guy who told her she was sick and needed help, before she wasted her life.
That is really the only sensible answer these days. I’ve been propositioned like that a few times, and they were either hookers or fatties/crazies that had no chance of getting a normal man.
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So basically, as time went on, she learned to start asking more Asians and no more NAMs.
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Asians and fags.
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There’s an even simpler explanation but it goes even more against the feminist world-view: men will accept a sincere invitation for nsa sex but are acutely sensitive to cues of insincerity in women.
You see this in studies a lot – men very good at noticing and gauging sexual interest from women while women tend to either lie or not know when they’re sending signals of sexual interest.
This “study” sure as hell confirms this perspective.
If she wants to control for this bias she should have sex with all the men who accept her offer.
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are acutely sensitive to cues of insincerity in women.
Or cues of disinterest, for that matter, although that’s essentially the same thing in this case. After all, there’s no quicker way to get slapped with the “creep” label than by being a sperg unable to read body language.
while women tend to either lie or not know when they’re sending signals of sexual interest.
Gotta love unconscious behavior.
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“If she wants to control for this bias she should have sex with all the men who accept her offer.”
+1 Fucking genius.
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It’s just solid experimental design.
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Repeat the experiment, confirm the results… basic scientific practice.
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Gentlemen, logic is not effective with sheeple, not seductive. The logic is also great rhetoric. It is logic a broad could understand and respect as being competently put in her place as a silly experimenter.
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If I were approached this way, I would assume it was a candid-camera type internet video situation (which it basically was) or some sort of robbery setup. Take me back to her place, her confederate/boyfriend comes out of hiding and beats me up . . . something like that. The underage prostitution sting would also be a possibility.
Or I’d assume she was mentally ill.
I’d probably play along for a while, just to have fun, though. I might say “how much will you pay me?”
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And if she were serious, I’d be totally cool with the camera.
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Antichrist Eskimos show their true colors. So much for the fictional, nonexistent “Judeo-Christian” tradition the Neo-Kohens keep talking about.
[embed]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KliaqV1uYDs[/embed]
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Immaculate conception vs. Illicit conception: Clearly immaculate conception is the much more likely explanation in light of the miracles and all. I don’t know why welfare moms of today don’t likewise claim to provide an incalculable benefit to mankind, but at this point it would not surprise me if they did. Those precious childrenzzz are miracles you know. Love thy neighbor, thy enemy, take it anally deep in this life for elation in the hereafter, if you have the correct faith of course. Divine guarantee + human outrage = disguise of secular game or just plain coo coo. Golly, this seems OT from OP. And anyway, what do you expect from believing YKW? Emotional detachment is healthy for us rationalists.
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What are you saying man? You’re talking in riddles lol
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I must couch my public expression of values in riddles so that only the willing will see them plainly and the others will not be incensed to destroy me in autoimmune group-identity reflex. The contradictions resolve only with the conveyed perspective thus made the key. Multilevel verbal communication is a skill I never imagined, much less imagined that I would want or need, until becoming a bitter, old man who could see the churn and culture war he had not fought and lost. If pride is all I have left to fight for, it is enough incentive. Hitler demonstrated the verbal technique brilliantly with Mein Kampf, which is not an endorsement of the book but simply a recognition of skillful word-smithing for a desired effect in a multicultural sheeple environment. Whether or not I have made myself clear to my target perspective, I do not know. There may not be anyone else with my perspective. Is it any wonder I aspire to fill the rest of my days with unproductive hedonism? I no longer freely cast pearls because it costs me twice retail value and 99% of humanity can rot for all I care, which being < 100% is proof that I care about human potential greatly.
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A wise strategy these days, to be sure
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And I wholeheartly agree in re 99%
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Imagine when the current generation of “modern women” become grandmothers (although there will be far fewer thanks to rampant voluntary and involuntary spinsterism): heavily tattooed, pierced, profane, not with grandpa, but with a succession of “boyfriends”, just like when they were in their 20s, 30s, and 40s, and, well, you get the picture. And forget about them lovingly baking pie – they will have never learned to properly care for a family and all that entails.
[CH: after age 30 most women experience a significant decline in their ability to accumulate a succession of boyfriends.
keepin it real]
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…and a significant increase in their ability to collect a succession of cats.
Related: stock in Nestlé Purina, maker of such fine feline foods as Fancy Feast and Friskies looks like a good buy.
http://www.felinecrf.org/catfood_manufacturers_usa.htm
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Two Biggest Flaws IMO: (1) Universally bangable females are common and obtainable,but universally bangable men are very rare and such without social calibration to target (no custom variation with warm-up to hook point) yet do it on cue for experiment and not on natural autopilot: virtually impossible, not repeatable enough to be scientific experiment, and (2) Social context is highly influential, largely unknown in quality and variance, and (as already noted in OP) malleable from experimenters’ side.
OT: On MonLew getting past blue dress, she is framing limelight energy 20 years too late to present fashionable meat à la sex tape att’n whores PH and KK. Right idea I suppose to be fashionable prop of elite for charity/social engineering. Wonder what career opportunities WH interns realistically hope to gain, if not an infamous cock sucker abused as political liability and fulcrum then discarded like trash? Would ruin most young ppl.
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Whenever I wear a sharp suit to the office and look good (early 30s, in good shape) generally the over the hill ladies will compliment me on my appearance, as well as, although to a lesser extent, some of the young but lower SMV girls.
Do you guys experience this phenomenon? It’s always perplexed me, cuz I’m sure the hot young girls like the way I look as well, but keep it to themselves. Is it just a reflection of the invisible hand of the sexual marketplace at work? That is, hot women don’t have to resort to things like complimenting men, and in fact are used to receiving the compliments? These old married broads, I don’t understand their motivation for showering me with compliments however.
[CH: hot chicks correctly self-assess their SMVs as very high, and compliments to men would lower that all-important self-perception. older broads have no problem complimenting men freely because they have little incentive to maintain a strict SMV-nourishing behavioral protocol.
bottom line: don’t worry about it. seduce those silent hotties anyway. their lack of flattery means nothing to your chances with them.]
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Good analysis, CH. I got hit on by two more coworkers, one a socially awkward lesbian and another an obese blonde, who would be quite fetching if she’d exercise some self control and diet, as well as exercise.
Oh, lazy summer afternoons in a federal bureaucracy.
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Ha, this isn’t the first time I’ve heard of a “lesbian” ditching the dildo for the real deal. That dyke must be tired of eating at the Y and bored of stiff plastic. She wants to be stuffed with some salty sausage meat for a change.
If the bitch ain’t a whale, then don’t spare the rod.
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I find almost the same.
If you’re quick to read the physical though, the cuter girls will display that quick-freeze plus doggie dinner bowl face similar to the Body Coil post.
It seems that at the Lizard Brain level, many women are quite similar in their assessment of attractiveness.
But then their more forward centers start kicking in and remind them of their alleged place in the hierarchy.
You have about 3 seconds or less to catch that look from the cuter ones, though.
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If you really want an accurate study, have the girl meet random guys in a bar, talk and flirt with them for about 20 minutes, and then offer sex. That’s at least a somewhat realistic scenario.
Any half-way intelligent guy who is approached at random in public by a girl offering sex is going to naturally conclude: (a) a robbery set-up; (b) a decoy hired by their girlfriend to catch them cheating; (c) a hidden-camera prank show; (d) a prostitution sting; or (e) a psychotic nympho riddled with STDs who will probably make a false rape accusation.
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Yep, that’s what I wrote too. If this was done in a bar with some small-talk the ratio would be much, much higher. The bar should be the natural place to hold this kind of research. Which is probably why they didn’t choose it.
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(e) Kenyan woman caught AIDS after getting drunk at a party. Slept with close to 1000 college students to exact her revenge on menkind
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or (f) a heartless fem-cunt who is out to advance some political agenda at the expense of emotionally scarring dozens of men who do not deserve such treatment.
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And take note: asians mostly did smell the fake-horny chick out, the “gay” guys were almost all white, and the “let’s do it” dumbos were predominantly black. Heartiste’s 2nd most favorite bunch of theories exemplified.
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“Wake” is right. There was a study done on campus by people who know how to do this (Psychology profs.): an attractive girl would approach male students and tell them something to the effect that: “I’ve noticed you some time ago, and have admired you from afar, and I really like you. Would you like to go with me to my room?”. Reasonable introduction, no crude “let’s have sex”, etc. The result: almost 100% “Yes” answer (one guy, I remember reading, apologized that his girlfriend was in town, everyone else was game).
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Doesn’t the fact that there exist women who men will pay to have sex with, and not the other way around (rare situations excluded), make this obvious?
Men are evil for wanting to have no strings attached sex, for money. And, men are the same as women in terms of sexual desire? Am I missing something? One is at a loss to determine why to hate men.
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The Narrative is clear: if men and women are different, it is because men are bad. If men and women are the same, men are bad for claiming otherwise. No matter what proof comes up, men are bad.
This reminds me of the Left’s attitude to industry. They used to be heavily materialist when the Soviet Union had invaded half of Europe – they said the USSR would soon surpass the West in productivity and usher in the Age of Plenty.
When the Soviet economy instead turned to permanent poverty, they changed their tune and said industrial production was bad. So whether pro-industry or anti-industry, the West is attacked.
For this, they used Pollution as the bogeyman. The West was evil for inventing technology, because it caused pollution. There would be acid rain, exploding nuclear power plants, an end to minerals, suffocation from loss of forests, global cooling causing a new ice age. Suddenly the Soviet Union was better for producing less. And the Third World was morally superior for never even inventing the wheel. It was a “choice” by peaceful tribes to “live in harmony with nature”, not a failure.
That is the reason we hear about global warming … morphed into “climate change” to include tsunamis and tornadoes as proof. People say it’s a ruse to increase government control, or move money to Third World projects, because they can’t understand why the talk about climate change is pushed so hard. Actually it all comes from the left-wing extremist narrative, where the West is evil for inventing technology.
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It won’t be long before we’ll have to amend that last clause to specify “great-grandma”, with the way this country is accelerating past timeless truths.
An interesting question. Will women have the same feminist, traditions-mean-nothing attitudes when they are old, or will they change their opinion because of old age?
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Her mouth says YES – but her body says NO … Counter to what naturally occurs in seduction.
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The second update juxtaposes nicely with the picture of Monica just underneath. That, is the look of a woman that you can take to the closest dark corner.
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she’s wearing a shirt with ‘whatever’ on it. surely that’s not helping.
i lol’d at how many guys were obvious flaming homos, and how many guys used the ‘i have a girlfriend’ line.
props to the older guy at 5:10, the father she should have had. ‘what is wrong with you? i hope you come to your senses before you waste your life. i wish you would get some help’
rejected by a beta at 9:50 llolzozolzozlzllol
i wonder if those were the only 100 she asked, or was there some creative editing going on.
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There are lots of “experiment” videos like this and I have always wished that one of the guys being propositioned would immediately call the woman’s bluff by grabbing her tits or shoving his hand down her pants. It might finally put an end to these stupid videos.
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I wonder if a part of the guys’ refusal to her offer may be some subconscious understanding that women don’t generally openly proposition men for sex, hence they get automatically suspicious. I mean, she got rejected by several guys who seem like they’d get plenty of female attention, and she’s pretty damn hot. Something genetic, perhaps?
Also, I disagree that she didn’t sound sincere. Au contraire, while she did on occasion come off as a cold fish, many times she did a pretty good job at playing flirty and eager and endearing in a feminine manner.
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