There are two shiv-shimmering lines in this scene from the underrated Tom Cruise movie “Cocktail”.
“I can’t see a thing without my contacts” is a fantastic neg, delivered with lighthearted insouciance and complete state control its teasing jab is quite subtle and therefore quite effective. It’s the kind of line you want to learn how to master when a woman gives you shit.
(Ask yourself as part of a self-improvement mental exercise: What would a beta male have done when so directly and acridly challenged by a hot broad?
Woman: “Excuse me, do I have ‘fuck me’ written on my forehead?”
Beta: *stammering* “Uh no, not at all, I was just…”)
But as good as that line is, the next game-savvy line Cruise’s character utters is better.
Woman: “You’re just full of compliments, aren’t you?”
Game-aware man: “Yeah… it kinda makes you curious, don’t it?”
What elevates that cocky riposte from great game to killer game? In a phrase: Script flipping. He has implied she is chasing him, not the other way around as it’s normally presumed to go in the realm of courtship. The man who co-opts a woman’s sexual prerogatives earns her curiosity.
You say a line like that, and you are ASSUMING THE SALE, which is a powerful game technique. It’s overconfidence on steroids. and chicks dig a man who’s full of himself. It’s also, in another sense, a nuanced disqualification of the woman as a potential lover. The subtext assaults her: “He risks my wrath and rejection. This guy can take or leave me. What’s he got going on?”

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hey heratsietts!!!
CONSERVATIVES WIN BRITAIN!!!
http://news.sky.com/story/1479761/exit-poll-conservatives-largest-party
for the next several years the conservtaives will drive the growth of debt and the welfare/warfare state, whereupon the duty shall be returned to the LIBERALS
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[CH: heh]
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Most of the Tories are not conservative in the least, unfortunately.
They praise the mixing of the peoples … except when it comes to Israel, of course. Where they support settlements built on the last 22 percent of Palestinian land, criss-crossing the Gaza Strip with Israeli-only roads, etc. 80 percent of Tory MPs are members of the “Friends of Israel” lobby group, which also has a lot of Labour and Lib Dem members. Not surprising then that Ed Miliband is of the Tribe, and both David Cameron and Nick Clegg have claimed Tribe ancestry. Gotta give them the positions they want.
So – more wars against the few Middle Eastern countries that have given support to the Palestinians and are not run by Washington-loyal kleptocrats, and more mass immigration to pacify Whites in the West. More surveillance of Britons when some M.E.-sympathizers inevitably strike back. And more economic warfare against Russia for not being part of the globalist establishment. “Conservatism” in today’s Britain.
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“The myth of Artificial Intelligence was invented so that when Elon Musk and his fellow leftists start rounding up all those they taxed so as to build billionaires electric vehicles (which cause more overall pollution than gas vehicles), Musk et al. can blame all the elites’ dark deeds on them thar computers!” –da GBFM
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Be it matters of social or political import, GBFM remains the seer of this age.
In the future, men will speak of having stood on HIS shoulders.
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“Charlie didn’t get much USO. He was dug in too deep, or moving too fast. His idea of great R&R was cold rice and a little rat meat”
Another great line from a great movie, and pretty much sums up where we are at right now.
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when i am talking to a womenz
and she slaps
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outta my mouth!
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somebody call me?
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Is this line from High Plains Drifter?
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If you mean Daniel’s line, that from Apocalypse Now.
“He didn’t ask anyone’s permission, he just thought it up and did it… what balls.”
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Thanks!
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That’s beautiful going to apply that today.
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Agreed, it’s a great scene.
Shouldn’t I get a royalty or something when I forward clips that end up in the Chateau…? Anyway, I was also trying to find one from a movie where a guy is at a club with his buddies, and he doesn’t want to hit on a woman, but they convince him that he’s a bear and she’s a bunny. It’s funny, and while it’s not the best of game it reminds me of a motivational speaker I heard once. And while it’s not the best of game, they do give him some self-confidence. I’ll see if I can remember the name of the movie.
[CH: you’re thinking of ‘swingers’. best american indie flic of the past 20 years.]
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Yeah, Swingers! Here’s the scene:
Dude, you’re so money!
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This scene is so money!
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So many great scenes in that flick. I still laugh at Favreau’s mortification at Vaughn’s antics in the casino with the waitress early in the film.
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lol @ swing music
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correction: she says ‘confidence’, not ‘compliments’.
also, notice what he does – instead of making her the drink she asks for, he makes something else, which prompts her shit test.
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Was going to say the same thing about “confidence”. Yeah, he doesn’t give a shit what she wants and gives her what he wants her to drink just to prove a point; that he doesn’t give a fuck what she wants and knows better than her.
It’s like he wanted the shit test so he could pass it and get her juices flowing.
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It’s like he wanted the shit test so he could pass it and get her juices flowing.
This.
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“and knows better than her.”
this is good for tingles. women’s taste in most things sucks. while skittles man is always the best choice, if you feel like a night out take her some place you know and she doesn’t and order for her. a sweetheart will never object to you creating a flight and tasting menu for her.
hb’s love when you choose, make them try things they normally wouldn’t and of course everything is amazing because you know what’s best and instead of looking over the menu and ordering based on your feelings/mood like a girl, you already have a plan that works.
being able to talk about the characteristics of a wine, spirit (never gay colored coctail make her drink it neat) or dish can lead to all kinds of other sensual discussions like “mouthfeel” leads to tongue leads to…
also, the nerve endings in the feet link to the brain right next to where the nerve endings from the clit link.
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I always thought that move with the matches was the bomb.
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Agreed.
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I inadvertently did some script flipping a couple years ago. This girl, some sort of local celebrity I’d never seen, comes into our store. I proceed to take my tongue off the floor, but full creep mode is initiated anyway. I try to make small talk with her, but she’s with her friend and rudely blows me off. All summer goes by and she comes in with some guy. I ignore her completely until she blurts out “hey, remember me?”. Not giving a fuck after her rudeness I respond with ” yea where you been, didn’t think you loved me anymore”. She enters full giggle mode accompanied with hair flipping etc. right in front of her boy.
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da same thing happened to da GBFM!! almostz!!
I inadvertently did some script flipping a couple years ago. This girl, some sort of local porn star I’d never seen, cums into our store. I proceed to take my cock off the floor, but full creep mode is initiated anyway. I try to make butthext with her, but she’s with her friend and rudely blows me. All summer goes by and she cums on some guy. I ignore her completely until she squirts out and says, “hey, remember me?”. Giving a fuck in her gina hole, I respond with ” yea where you been, didn’t think you loved me anymore”. She enters full hentai mode accompanied with cock sucking etc. right in front of her boy.
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Wow, I gotta work on my game.
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haha
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She was likely just using you as a prop to mess with the guy she was with. Jus sayin
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It’s hard to take this aging actor seriously after watching him kick 12 guy’s asses while delivering snarky one-liners n “Jack Reacher”. Thankfully it was pirated and I didn’t have to sit through to the inevitable conclusion. Jack Reacharound would have been more compelling.
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Anyone who read even one of the Jack Reacher books should be puking uncontrollably when you see the lead role assigned to a midget…
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yah cause a midget can’t reachher boobies!
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Those fights were actually realistic. And he beat like 3 guys only, I think.
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Be that as it may, in no way when you see Tom Cruise on screen, do you think ‘oh yeah! that IS jack reacher!’
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Well, we all age. And yes, he has done some things – like joining the Scientologists and let them find a wife for him. And jumping on Oprah’s couch. But the movie stands on its own legs, regardless of what the actor did later.
No offense, but this reminds me of something Rollo Tomassi wrote on Rational Male just yesterday:
If there’s three things I’ve learned from writing in the Manosphere for the past 12 years it’s this; no matter how apt, never use an allegory to illustrate a point, never try to relate a fictional story, movie or character to a real world dynamic and never hold up famous celebrities as common reference examples of broader, mundane dynamics.
The temptation to do so stems from a want for a common point of reference. However, appealing to a highly recognizable exemplar of a dynamic only makes picking apart the known particulars about that individual a priority – not on really grasping the dynamic itself.
I think it’s not just the manosphere though, but all over the ‘net.
[CH: i like to challenge my readers to get past their biases.]
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“something x wrote on Rational Male just yesterday” – thanks, I needed a laugh. In this world, you use forms of the Great Lie to EXPOSE truth. Welcome to El Dorado.
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Your comment seems to contain something interesting Antilles Plush. What does it say after decryption?
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“something x wrote on Rational Male just yesterday” – thanks, I needed a laugh. In this world, you use forms of the Great Lie to EXPOSE truth. Welcome to El Dorado.
So you haven’t heard about Rollo Tomassi, okay. Not everyone will know the most recognized names in the manosphere. But what is it that gives you a much-needed laugh? The fact that his website is called Rational Male? And that is a “great lie” … how?
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Only watched it for the Chevelle SS
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Of course in the action movies they never show the hero standing in line at the auto parts store in an effort to keep his antique car running.
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That’s because in the movies, the only work they require is occasionally leaning in over the open hood and tightening something down with a crisp-sounding ratchet.
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An old car is like a hot woman. You may love to get in her and drive her hard, but once a month you still gotta drop a pan under em
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True but he does have quite a few top notch performances under his belt. His public antics undermine his acting credentials abit though. I try to separate actors from their politics anyway since most are flaming liberals or at least play the part (npi) in public to curry favor with the Hollywood Sanhedrin.
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Just a little anecdote,
The first time I saw that movie it was with a friend and his wife, but the wife’s English was poor, she did not get much of the dialogue, so a couple weeks later my friend rented the movie again ( it was on VCR/tape back then, you could not switch language at the push of a button ) but the translated in French version.
And that is when we found out that that line where the woman says: “does it say “fuck me” on my forehead/” had been completely changed
here is what it said in French,
“Est-ce qu’il est écrit sur mon front que l’on peut se foutre de moi?”
which means; does it say on my forehead that you can make fun of me?
yes “fuck me” had become ; “make fun of me”…..
Something was seriously lost in translation…
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It was translated by an English speaker most likely or modified in order to make it palatable for the family. I have always thought foutre only meant to fuck however, myself.
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Foutre is a bad translation of what she says, because it is an insult. Whereas when she asks if her forehead says “fuck me”, she doesn’t mean the insult “fuck off”, she means that he is obviously trying to pick her up and get her into bed.
This even though foutre does refer to fucking – but here it is, I believe, used as the insult.
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Tom Cruise: literally everything in life you can’t teach that women love, except the one universally attractive physical attribute: height.
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kinda doubt height’s every been an issue for him
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I’m thinking most any line works, when delivered by Tom Cruise.
After all, he has them at “Hello”, amirite?
Skeptical hippo wants to see Rick Moranis get babes to tingle.
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It doesn’t have Rick Moranis in it, but “Manhattan” shows perfectly how a dorky-looking schlub can get tingles aplenty. At one point, Woody Allen’s character mentions that he’s never had any trouble attracting women, and when you see how tight his game is you believe it.
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Please… when you direct and write your own movies and make careers, of course you get laid.
How many of his women hung around after they established themselves in the business?
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And for the record, Manhattan was one of the most douche-chill inducing examples of Portnoy Porn ever to hit the screen.
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Don Knotts was a reputed lady killer.
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I’ve read Crimes & Misdemeanors is where it’s at. Gotta queue that one soon.
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C & M not bad… Radio Days, Midnight in Paris pretty good… my favorite, though, remains Broadway Danny Rose.
Most of the other stuff over-rated… some decidedly so, surprise, surprise.
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Frances Bavier couldn’t keep her hands off him.
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My comment didn’t concern Woody Allen, it concerned his character. (Reading comprehension—it’s a thing.) Of course the director gets laid, but his character in “Manhattan” has tight game and would believably get laid regardless.
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And my point was, when you write and direct you get to put a schlub like that in your movies and make the ladies go ga-ga over him… and rope in a gullible audience on occasion, like yourself… while most others are laughing and saying WTF?
DUH!
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You do realize, Allen’s penchant for autobiography in his characters, right?
And now that he’s gotten so old and grotesque, he farms out the job to a better looking goy like Owen Wilson… but the persona remains.
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Woody Allen 1965… I can see him telling a story like this with ^_^_^ vibrations and doing quite well
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He had a few funny early routines, I’ll certainly admit that. I’ve laughed my share at the Moose story.
But if memory serves, he wasn’t scoring the big-time poon (or at least sloppy seconds off of Frank) until the writer/director thing really took off.
[CH: game can net the average man an increase of 1 or 2 SMV points in the quality of his lovers. fame can push the quality of his poon pool into the stratosphere.
btw, 1 or 2 SMV points in women is nothing to sneeze at. most men would kill for that improvement in mate choice.]
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There are a whole lot of memorable things in Cocktail. Like when he talks back to his college professor. He’s thrown out of the class, but damn, who hasn’t wanted to do that.
Brian (Tom Cruise) and Don Coughlin working in the bar at night, doing tricks with the bottles. Hippy hippy shakes. Situational alpha indeed. That made this the bar movie of all time.
The “Coughlin’s laws”. In the end, the last one is “Bury the dead or they’ll stink up the place. The rest of Coughlin’s laws are shit, but you probably knew that already.” This when he has committed suicide. What an end. Like a wry smile, beaten down by life but still seeing life as something that you can’t take too seriously. A bitter joke that you must learn to understand and ride with. Or something like that. The Coughlin character was very well made.
Tom Cruise’s character was also well made. Brian’s dreams, and in the end finding peace doing what he does best. And while he is a player, he knows when to grab the girl and settle down.
There is one scene where he talks about how he started working in the bar to make money in college, but the nights get longer and longer, he sees less and less daylight, until life is one long string of nights with a bright blur in between. I recognize that so well from times when I was studying late every night. There was one winter I didn’t see the sun for several days. But at some point in your life, you should know what it’s like to live at night. You’ll learn to like both the nights and the days more.
Then you have a more recent movie … Coyote Ugly. Ugh. Let’s hope there’s never a “remake” of Cocktail, ’cause you know it’d suck and they’d change the characters.
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Ah, here’s that last letter from Coughlin. Well written.
My dearest Brian, A guy like me looks in the mirror, he either grins, or he starts to fade away. And I haven’t seen anything to grin about in a long time. This may not be the most graceful exit, but I know when the bottle’s empty. The only thing I’m really going to miss is the conversations we had. At least I get the last word, even if I had to mail it in. Coughlin’s Law: Bury the dead. They stink up the joint. As for the rest of Coughlin’s Laws, ignore them. The guy was always full of shit. (chuckles bitterly) But I guess you knew that already.
And the other quote I was thinking of:
Days get shorter and shorter, nights longer and longer, before you know it, your life is just one long night with a few comatose daylight hours.
There’s another good 80s movie with Tom Cruise, Color of Money. Where he is an excellent pool player but doesn’t know how to get money from that, because he’s too cocky and brags about his talent. He meets an older player (Paul Newman) who teaches him how to take people to the cleaners. He also has a hot girlfriend who is with him because he’s the best at what he does. There is one scene where Paul Newman’s character tells her that “we got a thoroughbred here” or something like that, and she doesn’t object. The psychology in the movie is great, just like in Cocktail. Hard to find any recent movies like that.
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Color of Money is great. Has all the Scorcese tropes: great soundtrack, great editing, great tracking shots.
I love the scene at the beginning when Cruise is playing against Turturro. “One More Night” is playing in the background and given the composition of the scene, you can literally smell the stale smoke and spilled liquor.
I like it when Fast Eddie Felson hears Cruise tell Turturro he just wants to “play, play.” Newman nails it!
If memory serves, the name for the hit 90s game, Doom, was as a result of when Cruise references the cue as “doom” when someone asks what he’s got in the case.
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“But at some point in your life, you should know what it’s like to live at night. You’ll learn to like both the nights and the days more.”
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I’m A Member of the Midnight Crew … from 1909. That’s the most unexpected reference ever. Hat’s off to ya.
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Coughlin’s Law: bury the dead. They stink up the place.
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(Didn’t know this already written.)
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Good to see Mindy Kaling’s show has been axed. I hate her and everything she stands for.
Saw on a flight ‘How To Marry A Millionaire’ starring Monroe, Bacall etc. Hypergamy 1950s style.
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Isn’t that the bindi?
Good God, that show. Where they say “white whore” over and over again to describe a woman the spic is dating.
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Thank goodness. Never understood how she had her own show in the first place.
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Cocktail is full of good lines. It’s weird though–goes from a career movie, to a bromance movie, to a love story, to a pregnancy movie, to a suicide movie.
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to a pregnancy movie, to a suicide movie.
Someone who hasn’t seen the movie could get the wrong idea from that – and yet it fits so well
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Someone like Tom Cruise does not need game . Game is great and has improved my life 200% but look around.
Similar body types attract each other. Game may allow you to overachieve but in most cases nature does not lie. Alpha males typically are at least 6’0” in their socks, masculine jaw, broad shoulders, dark hair, firm strong thighs, big enough cock.
Tall, dark and handsome. Throw in a decent career . It does not matter if you cannot string two sentences together- I’ve seen some stunning women with men who were as fun personality wise as watching paint dry.
If you are hot to women they will flock around you like flies. They will find ways to fuck you.
My friend gets that attention – women are embarrassing (to themselves) around him. They turn into stupid children who have just seen Santa Claus. Most men do not see this side of women. Check out old footage of Beatles concerts and see how the women react in the crowd.
Their reaction was one of the reasons why the Beatles had to stop touring. Check out the audience at American Idol – predominantly women clapping like seals.
It is fascinating to see how women react around him, 8s and 9s going out of their way to blatantly try and grab him, giving their phone numbers as they ignore and stumble over the likes of you and me despite you being witty an charming and negging for an hour.
Then you realize you cannot compete and never will. It’s like being at a poker table with thousand dollar hands being thrown down and you have five dollar bills – you finish your drink, make your excuses and politely slip away.
Even if you had vast wealth or an amazing personality bar one of two cases, you just cannot compete.
And to be fair, I would not want it any other way. The most beautiful should breed for the good of the race. The uglies should not. Nature is cruel but it needs to be.
Equality does not exist, never has and never will. That is why we worship the most beautiful people, the models and want to be like them and want to fuck them but will never get selected. We do not deserve to.
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And of course this female psychotic behavior never gets discussed in the mainstream. Brushed under the carpet along with race, natural darwinism etc. let’s keep the illusion going media that we are all equal and we all have something special inside us that one day that girl of my dreams will see it and fall in love with me.
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k bro. let’s kill ourselves.
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That was a bloody depressing soliloquy. I don’t get the reaction from girls you describe above, but it hasn’t prevented me from getting laid a respectable amount of times with decent looking women. No 9s. Yet.
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“Alpha males typically are at least 6’0” in their socks, masculine jaw, broad shoulders, dark hair, firm strong thighs, big enough cock.
Tall, dark and handsome. Throw in a decent career . It does not matter if you cannot string two sentences together- I’ve seen some stunning women with men who were as fun personality wise as watching paint dry.”
Yup. Naturals. But surely some of them have blond hair (and even white hair or no hair), too. At least the ones around here.
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I saw a 9 with a short ass, hat backwards, facial haired, no job millennium.
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“It is fascinating to see how women react around him, 8s and 9s going out of their way to blatantly try and grab him, giving their phone numbers as they ignore and stumble over the likes of you and me”
What is his distinguishing features? Or what are the women attracted too?
Maybe he carries himself different..
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Didn’t you contradict yourself in the middle of your post.
“Alpha males typically are at least 6’0” in their socks, masculine jaw, broad shoulders, dark hair, firm strong thighs, big enough cock. Tall, dark and handsome. Throw in a decent career .”
“Check out old footage of Beatles concerts and see how the women react in the crowd.
Their reaction was one of the reasons why the Beatles had to stop touring.”
Have you ever seen a picture of the Beatles?
[CH: good catch. these “only men’s looks matter” trolls are tiresome. they have no contact with reality.]
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They looked taller in those boots. 😉
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And of course, it certainly wasn’t just their looks… Paul was the only one you could actually say was “cute” to the girls.
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Check out beautiful women snuggle up to her boyfriends and a few crying during THIS orchestral performance of “La Ballade pour Adeline.” The Beatles redux?
Starts at 35:55
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Corretcion: 34: 55
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I was laid by a 9 when I was 19, 5’7″, and 125 lbs. She was 5’6″ and 145 lbs. A very curvy girl with D’s. 38-25-36. She was engaged to someone else and I just asked her and she was DTF.
I was in a frat of premed students and not an athlete and didn’t have movie star looks.
Yeah, that 5h1t never happens to guys like us, heh.
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sure…
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Dayum, best shot of MM I ever seen; that body lookin extra ripe
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I think it’s agreed that looks aren’t the be all/end all… but when you keep showing ugly guys who just happen to be famous, well-acclaimed by the circles in which the women themselves travel (or wish to), and with money, well…
You think Arthur Miller “gamed” Marilyn? At a time when she was struggling to be taken seriously as an actress, and he just happened to be one of America’s foremost playwrights?
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I’m thinking she did most of the gaming.
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Scratch a bit deeper Greg… ugly guys who get respect, fame and money… How did that happen man? I mean, did they take a pill?
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I see what you’re getting at, but MM and gals like her had her pick of the alphas all their lives, and yet how many of these alphas actually hold onto their whoring starlets, once they’ve served their purpose? I’m talking about the ones where the woman wasn’t the initiator of the break-up.
I think you can count on one hand the long-termers who the true hotties pine over their entire lives.
Most of it is merely the celebrity cock carousel.
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You think Arthur Miller “gamed” Marilyn? At a time when she was struggling to be taken seriously as an actress, and he just happened to be one of America’s foremost playwrights?
Good point.
OTOH, if a hot woman with money gets with a male nobody, then the man has game. He’d have to in order for her to suppress her hypergamous instincts.
Steve McQueen is a good example there.
(Although, one might argue that she isn’t ignoring her hypergamy at all by getting with the nobody; instead, she recognizes the nobody could very easily be a Big Man with Money but simply has never been in the right place at the right time.)
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Steve McQueen’s a good example… Ali McGraw, if memory serves, pretty much packed in her career, at her prime, and stayed with him until the end.
Granted, it was only about 4 years, but still.
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Monroe sought what all women seek – validation from the attention of what she thought was a dynamic, passionate and authentic man.
Why aren’t the wealthiest men in the world paired up with the hottest women – universally? Because the paper Alpha is found out and found lacking. Take a look for example at wives of the top 100 hedge fund managers – guys who clip 8 and 9 (even 10) figure paychecks each year. Only some of them have hot women. Most have very average looking women.
Meanwhile – scruffy bartender down the corner fends off 9’s every weekend.
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That’s it? That’s all you got? He’s not ugly. What? he’s old and his face is haggard? So? He’s not fat, and he’s taller than her. Body>>>>>>>face. Show me a woman who chooses to be with a shorter, fatter guy than she could otherwise get–and not because he’s rich or famous–and I’ll show you an outlier.
“How many times have you seen an ugly guy with a beautiful woman? all the time, am I right? Read on to discover the One Weird Trick those guys know that you don’t. . . until now!” Gimme a break. I can’t remember ever seeing that. Looksmatching is law.
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Why aren’t the wealthiest men in the world paired up with the hottest women – universally? Because the paper Alpha is found out and found lacking. Take a look for example at wives of the top 100 hedge fund managers – guys who clip 8 and 9 (even 10) figure paychecks each year. Only some of them have hot women. Most have very average looking women.
Meanwhile – scruffy bartender down the corner fends off 9’s every weekend.
Yeah, being really good at making money doesn’t mean you’re any good at attracting women.
This goes double if you’re relying on Jew Game, i.e., the social connections members of the Tribe rely on to get anywhere.
Bartenders, by the very nature of their line of work, will have better game than the average man. Hedge fund managers won’t.
[CH: charisma trumps wealth.]
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Steve McQueen’s a good example… Ali McGraw, if memory serves, pretty much packed in her career, at her prime, and stayed with him until the end.
Granted, it was only about 4 years, but still.
I was thinking about Steve and Neile Adams.
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Ohiomega – you have no voice here basement dweller… and no credibility whatsoever. Once you have lived above ground, and actually talked to a girl, please come back and we can chat.
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There’s a reason why hedge fund managers don’t marry hotties. They have the money to bang hottie hookers and are better at assessing if women are hoes than movie directors(after all, divorce is a financial risk). Unless they’re just stupid, but the people in finance here aren’t.
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I feel like most all these trolls have a weird cock fascination. 80% of these tall dark and handsome guy posts talk about a good cock. Kinda weird
[CH: yeah, 90% of them are sockpuppets of a couple of bittercunts who can’t give up the tingle of reading at le chateau.]
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There’s supposedly a list of 104 baseball players caught on PEDs, only one or two having been revealed (A-rod, for example). Not really fair.
CH needs to out the sockpuppets, in toto. 😉
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A, there are four factors that determine a man’s attraction level:
Looks
Personality
Money
Social Status
You mention Looks, and with the Beatles you mention ;Money and Social Status (but they didn’t have the looks). That doesn’t mean Personality doesn’t exist. The manosphere will teach Personality first and foremost, but it will also talk about improving the rest. How is this not information that young men should have? How will this not help them?
[CH: right. of the Big Four male mate value traits…
– looks are hard to change, but weightlifting and fashion sense help.
– personality is also hard to change, but it can be improved with sustained effort, and the improvement doesn’t need to be radical before a man starts to see really big improvements in the quality and quantity of his lovers.
– money can be accumulated, but takes decades of hard work.
– social status is the easiest AND the quickest to improve, but is also the most vulnerable to changes in context.
Game helps with personality and social status, covering Two of the Big Four sexy male attributes. A man would be stupid to ignore the teachings of game.
(game also indirectly benefits the accumulation of money.)]
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Having a specific “Big Four” is better than a vague statement such as, “Men’s attractiveness is more multifaceted,” but it’s not good enough. Try harder, CH! There is One Thing to Rule Them All in terms of male SMV–there has to be–the manosphere just hasn’t extracted it yet. Dig deeper!
For my part, I propose it’s status, which can of course be hierarchical (military/political/corporate), physical (looks/strength) financial (money), social (popularity), or situational (as in a situation that would allow a man to demonstrate exceptionality in either base attributes or acquired skills). I said this in another post that was lost in the ether, but a woman’s hindbrain wants to know how much security (the passive, feminine element of power) she and her offspring would gain by coupling with and being sired by a certain man.
I get that such a unified term perhaps has less utility in many contexts than its situational counterparts to which we have previously referred, but it still needs to exist for purity’s sake and as a means of comparing statuses derived from different sources. In all, a greater elucidation of the specific concepts in Heartistian lore and their relationships with each other is needed.
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Well, you’re absolutely wrong. With game, all men can compete, and smash fine women.
I don’t believe you’ve applied game in practice often enough, sounds like you’re self defeating and haven’t given it a real shot
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For all you pussies who are scared of black people because TV:
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He shouldn’t have fucked with Anton Chigurh.
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Black guys only fight in groups. One on one, they ALWAYS back down or lose badly. Glass jaws, all of em.
High end white dudes fight alone……
r vs.K
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Mihailo Jovanovic
yeah right!!!Punch a guy while he’s on the ground!!!
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Im not afraid of them; there just annoying as all get out.
(Disclosure: Im a pianist; I wouldn’t risk my hands on its face)
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CANADIAN geese are pretty bad too; but they avoid me cause I kick the shit out of them on the golf course;
fuckin honkey ass flappin mofos
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Nice whopper you trying to pass there t-h-w-aschlomo. But you owned up to being particular to your frontrunner side.
And frontrunners always get someone else to do their dirty work for them.
oink
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T-h-w-a-c-k’s an accomplished pianist… he once played the Minute Waltz in 57 seconds.
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Bullshit. You’re just runnin’ yer suck. Youtube wisdom wont save you on the streets, bitch.
A pianist….. that says it all really.
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What?
Everyman should be able to “tickle the ivory” at least a little bit, if you know what I mean?
I bet Eliot can bang out something on the glockenspeil? or whatever the fuc you call it?
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Ha – came across this… Pretty great example of a guy using a strong frame..
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LOL. I loved that.
@Greg – I’m sure the video HAS been edited in exactly the way you describe (most of these are – I’m sure various funny Vitalyzdtv videos on Youtube are also edited – the ones where he gets instant makeouts on the street and stuff).
But it’s still (a) entertaining and (b) a good illustration of how to do it right when it works.
To put it another way – watching how he does it when he succeeds is useful, even if there were lots of instances when he didn’t succeed.
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still in mod 72 hours… tried to cut and paste it again but that was eaten as well…
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well maybe, we will never know, but stills shows some great examples of frame. There are other videos, some famous ones of guys in train stations telling people – in an authoritative posture – to stay out of their box on the floor, and the compliance.
Re this here, I believe it because I have at times, as a goof, stood in front of bars and carded people, particularly women, but also men, particularly douchy types, and I am not at all like a bouncer… LOL 5’10 and blond, usually in a sport coat or italian preppy casual… Try it sometime for a goof. I’d say 80% of the people will just comply with you – hold your hand up at chest level and just say “ID” – 10% will quiz you “really?” like they know something is off and 10% will ignore or get that it’s a joke and laugh…
another try
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Pretty great example of a guy using a strong frame…
Enjoy.
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Maybe I’m wrong, but I always get the strongest suspicion these videos have been orchestrated… or at least edited to eliminate the blokes who merely shoved him out of the way.
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well maybe, we will never know, but stills shows some great examples of frame. There are other videos, some famous ones of guys in train stations telling people – in an authoritative posture – to stay out of their box on the floor, and the compliance.
Re this here, I believe it because I have at times, as a goof, stood in front of bars and carded people, particularly women, but also men, particularly douchy types, and I am not at all like a bouncer… LOL 5’10 and blond, usually in a sport coat or italian preppy casual… Try it sometime for a goof. I’d say 80% of the people will just comply with you – hold your hand up at chest level and just say “ID” – 10% will quiz you “really?” like they know something is off and 10% will ignore or get that it’s a joke and laugh…
Have fun…
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Some guys don’t have to do much to get tingles:
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Has anyone noticed that that bitch wasn’t even close to physically attractive? Old, too much makeup, poodle hair, average at best face… that’s how I know it’s Hollywood, when a guy with Tom Cruise’s SMV goes for a bitch that looks that average.
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“that’s how I know it’s Hollywood, when a guy with Tom Cruise’s SMV goes for a bitch that looks that average”
same thing with fifty shades of grey. they cast a frumpy dumpy chick and a hot guy so the average woman can live vicariously through the character and fantasize that the same thing will happen to them. used to be women would know it was just a fairy tale. now, for some reason, they all seem to think it’s a possibility for them and they are entitled to it. no matter how wretched and disgusting they are.
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This is how the likes of Julia Roberts and Sandra Bullock become “stars”… average women can identify.
Of course, it helps Sanda that she produces her own movies.
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Jeesus. Finally. Had to scroll down almost to the bottom of the comments to see I wasn’t crazy. She’s an average looking cougar. The only game he needed was pity.
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Naahhh… the scene is – it’s a bet with his bros – they picked out this woman precisely because she is a hard experienced bitch, used to easy come ons… That’s the challenge, and her shit tests shows it.
Interesting because TC has had a few of these kind of challenges in his roles – the scene from Top Gun comes to mind – “carnal knowledge on the premises”… LOL.
as to the hair and look – meh – this was 1988. It was what it was back then. Crazy loud colors, horrible fashion, loud make up and big hair…
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The bet is $20…
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Sorry about Goose.
Also a good line for when you’re working your way through a crowded room.
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Yes, I noticed it, too. Older women are easier.
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Not sure why I thought of this scene, but lol.
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I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE!
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what?
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What ain’t no country I ever heard of.
Tell me you having seen Jerry McGuire.
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Yeah, some girl forced me to watch it.
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You can’t resist us, Mr. Powers.
Au contraire, baby. I think it’s you that can’t resist me.
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“Excuse me, do I have ‘fuck me’ written on my forehead?”
Why else do you think I’m talking to you? (Delivered with a tone of absolute surprise.)
or
Oh, shit you’re on the rag? I’m outta here. (I usually put my hands up and back up slowly, while grinning.)
I’ve always figured you have nothing to lose, so why not. I’ve ended up bedding women that came with the b*tch as a consolation prize. Remember other women are watching how you react… So use it to your advantage.
Think of how comedians react to a heckler – you can use it… You just have to know how.
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i’ve been thinking about asking how this would work: err, it’s not exactly on your forehead…
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It doesn’t work because first it is a response in her frame, she is assuming you would fuck her, and second it’s a boring response apt to be perceived as butt hurt. Loosen up, have some fun. Neg (lightly) tease… and as CH says ASSUME THE SALE.
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“Excuse me, do I have ‘fuck me’ written on my forehead?”
“No, it’s on your lips.”
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Good.
“Excuse me, do I have ‘fuck me’ written on my forehead?”
“Might as well.”
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That is an excellent example of how to pick up a nasty scag.
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That’s why movies are so amusing… can you picture this particular gal, when confronted by a Tom Cruise who will actually flirt with her, saying anything but giggly-goo-goos?
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She is rich though, that’s why he’s hitting on her. His friend got a rich older woman (“Come hither!”) and he wants to show he can get one too.
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My go-to negs are:
Me: “You dance well…”
Her: Aww…thanks, you too
Me: I”m not finished my sentence yet… you dance well…with me.
Sometimes I’ll change it to “For a lawyer” or whatever her profession is.
You can also change that to “You kiss well….” or “You dress well…..” for a librarian”
The other is if I get a “You’re a player” type jibe:
Me: “I knew you were trouble”….Krauser’s great reply: “My mom warned me about girls like you”..
That always reframes the interaction, causes a sexual spike and quells the shit-test.
One of the girls I’m banging got hit on by a lesbian….she’s always teasing and shit-testing me. She wrote: “you have a rival”
Me: yum
This stuff is pure gold. She never knows what I’m going to say.
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One of my top 4…
Til: “Hey, how can you tell if a woman has an orgasm?”
Her: “Ummm” (or how, or because she’s smiling….)
Til: “Who cares?”
Its shameful how well this works.
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Name’s Craven, Craven Moorhead
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She: “Nice leading.”
Me: [smile]
I get asked to dance by the best follows a lot, some of whom are top competitors.
She: “You teach well. A lot better than the last guy.”
Me: [smile]
It’s delightful how well dancing works to build attraction.
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That’s why we Presbyterians don’t cotton to dancing… it can lead to standing intercourse.
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Or to the appearance thereof, which might be worse.
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No. But I bet it’s tattooed on your lower back just above your panty line.
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Pure gold.
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Me: “What country you from?”
Her: “What?”
Me: huh?
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Once of these days, the gal is going to comeback with:
“What ain’t no country I ever heard of!”
And you’ll know that she’s the one…
… and I’ll dance at your wedding.
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JB, that’s the ticket!
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Here’s what you get for dying defending your country: a big middle finger from gloating libtwats.
http://www.vdare.com/articles/sfc-christopher-speer-is-dead-omar-khadr-is-free-thanks-obama
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“I mean, say what you want about the tenets of LibTardism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos.”
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This aggression will not stand, man.
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“defending your country” LOL neocon-loving idiot. The U.S. invaded Afghanistan. Afghanistan did not invade the U.S. How typical of the Zionist-loyal side to always, always, always present its aggression as being the poor victim of the people it attacks.
“But al-Qaida was behind 911!” No, it wasn’t. Even Hosni Mubarak, U.S.-backed dictator with the Middle East’s largest intelligence agency after Israel, said it was ludicrious to claim al-Qaida would be able to carry that out. By the way, something you don’t know (neocon lovers know very little about these matters) – Afghanistan promised to hand over Usama bin Ladin for a trial, if the U.S. could show evidence of his culpability that would stand up in a trial. The White House had said it had such evidence. Colin Powell had stood before the UN Assembly and said, “I promise we have it, we just can’t show it because some people would be hurt, but trust me and vote in favor of our invasion”. Colin Powell has later admitted that he lied. That’s right. He lied. He called it “the blackest stain on my honor”.
So the U.S. government lied again and said, “Afghanistan’s government is refusing to give us Usama bin Ladin, therefore we must invade!” A White House aide has revealed that the White House neocons didn’t care about Afghanistan. They wanted only to destroy Iraq, because President Hussein had given money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers – these families had their homes and everything they owned illegally destroyed by the Israeli occupiers. So Iraq must be destroyed for giving them aid. Afghanistan had to be invaded first only because al-Qaida had been used as a bogeyman and the American people expected it. Only after Afghanistan could the neocons move on to the real target, Iraq, with the lie that President Hussein would have funded (his sworn enemies) al-Qaida.
Afghans are the ones defending their country, against Washington’s mercenaries. As always I wish them good luck and look forward to the day when the anti-White, pro-Israeli invaders leave Afghanistan. The illegal wars only serve the West’s enemies, the anti-White globalists whose headquarters are in Tel Aviv.
You’re an American and you have voted for politicians who back the invasions, I bet. And who back the propping up of thieving tyrants all over the Middle East. Here’s to hoping you get what you deserve. Neocon lovers like you have caused the death of more than a million Middle Easterners since “911”. In the past your kind caused the death of two million people, when those you voted for financed and armed Iraq in their invasion of Iran. In total more than three million people – far more, actually. If you are eventually killed by those who sympathize with the victims of your actions, you can’t say you didn’t have it coming.
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yea flipping script where they just thinking about your cock 24 hours a day
then shes talking bout getting your dick in her
and flip it again and talk about your not even thinking bout the pussy just her being there and holding her and shit
then she talks about dreaming about your cock and you talk about sunshine and beaches rofl
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Slightly off topic, but I LOVE that movie. 🙂 It was one of the first movies I owned on VCR. And my father confiscated it when he saw me and my sister watching it and saw that there was a sex scene. (I remember the part where he leaves and she says you are going to get pneumonia!) Anyway, in my naivety, I swear I had no idea what they were doing under the blankets, and I really thought that when men and women go under the blankets together and make noise, that the man is tickling the woman. So I protested the confiscation of that VCR a lot, “they are just tickling each other!” LOL.
On topic – yes, that is a very funny line. Thank God I did not understand it back when I was a child. (the f word part).
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Reminds me of what I do at a bar when hitting it off with a new girl. If I’m getting us drinks I always ask what she wants, but no matter what she says I instead say “nah, we’re getting whiskey”, even though most girls have a distinct distaste for whiskey.
It’s subtle, and I probably started doing it naturally because I can be a bit of a dick, but damn it if doesn’t get some tingles going. It’s also basically a shit test of my own, and it can be an extremely easy filter for getting rid of a time wasting pain in the ass.
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My go to line when they make the grimace is a conspiratorial and knowing look as I tell them:
“Yes, well… it is an acquired taste.”
That keeps ’em a-sippin’. 😉
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“wouldn’t be any fun if they just fell over with their legs in the air, now would it.”
This is the money line from the clip. Strong frame = strong game, whether intentional (I am doing x to get y reaction = game) or not (I get y reaction because I have done x = frame).
Life is a game, always enjoy it and always keep playing.
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That was a two-fer… he was gaming both the cougar AND his buddies.
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Blonde, one day you’re going to use that “What country you from” shtick and the gal is going to come back with cute little negress head bob and say:
“What ain’t no country I ever heard of!”
And you’ll know she’s the one.
I’ll dance at your wedding.
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I showed this clip to a friend, and he couldn’t understand how “I can’t see a thing without my contacts” it is a neg. To spell it out: it is a neg because he assumes that she’s the kind of woman who could have “fuck me” written on her forehead.
As CH says, overconfidence and assuming the sale is attractive. But to make it attractive, you must deliver it right. I have seen a lot of overconfident guys who just make asses of themselves. Brian’s (Tom Cruise) lines in this clip don’t just show him as confident in his quality, they also prove his quality. He is poetic, funny, and thinks fast under pressure.
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That’s not the line she says to Tom Cruise’s character. It’s this;
“Woman: “You’re just full of confidence, aren’t you?”
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