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More Indirect Evidence That “Fake It Till You Create It” Works

May 12, 2015 by CH

A study (lovingly, via Cheap Chalupas) examining people’s changing impressions of wine quality when they believe the wine they’re drinking is expensive, provides, in a roundabout way, confirming evidence for the game concept of “fake it till you make it”, or what CH has more accurately restated, “fake it till you create it”.

From the SCIENCE ❤️ GAME files,

When consumers taste cheap wine and rate it highly because they believe it is expensive, is it because prejudice has blinded them to the actual taste, or has prejudice actually changed their brain function, causing them to experience the cheap wine in the same physical way as the expensive wine? Research in the Journal of Marketing Research has shown that preconceived beliefs may create a placebo effect so strong that the actual chemistry of the brain changes.

The science of biomechanical feedback loops is in its infancy, but it’s already uncovering some very eeeenteresting facets of human behavior. The brain-body connection, and how willful changes in the one can subconsciously alter manifestations of the other, has big implications for the study of seduction, aka game.

At this point I hardly need to spell it out for the regular readers. Preconceived beliefs, firmly adhered, can gradually alter the chemistry of the brain. In Game terms: Preconceived belief in one’s allure to women — aka sexy overconfidence — can create brain changes which turn the inner belief into outer reality.

It’s the same phenomenon we see with deliberate changes in body language, where assuming the posture and mien of a charming alpha male will increase your subjective feelings of well-being and even your testosterone level! This will, in turn, increase your attractiveness to better-looking women.

Granted, these effects are sometimes temporary and fleeting, but even a temporary boost in “alpha maleness” can mean the difference between a desiccated “you’re such a nice guy” brush-off and a fiery dance floor twirl leading to a night of debauchery.

And, temporary improvements in your sexy masculine vibe will, given enough of them accumulated over a long enough period of time, eventually become permanent fixtures of your being. Success with women builds upon itself, just as failure with women compounds the problems that drive women away. For this reason, it’s so important to get your son or friend up and running with Game while they’re open to self-improvement, before bad habits, self-pitying defeatism, negative female feedback, or tradconism consign them to a fate worse than death: settling for a fat wife.

Update

Via Randall Parker, a study found that mildly intoxicated people look more attractive to the opposite sex. Alcohol gives you a relaxed, confident, happy glow. Chicks dig it.

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  1. on May 12, 2015 at 12:03 pm rugby11ljh

    “For this reason, it’s so important to get your son or friend up and running with Game while they’re open to self-improvement, before bad habits, self-pitying defeatism, negative female feedback, or tradconism consign them to a fate worse than death: settling for a fat wife.”
    Interesting

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 1:05 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

      lzozozozo

      DA GBFM TRANSLTED INTO THE KINZNGZ ENGLSIZH ZLZOZOOZOZ:

      http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2011/10/those-who-are-responsible.html
      *By making the following section of his comment a list, I think the meaning is very easy to discern, so I only offer minor grammatical editing here:

      1. deconstruct the great books on university campuses
      2. tell men they need to man up
      3. dumb down the entire schools system
      4. tell men they need to man up
      5. ass-rape men in divorce court
      6. tell men they need to man up
      7. send men to die on foreign shores in foreign neo-con wars
      8. tell men they need to man up
      9. drug boys with ritalin/adderoll for being boys
      10. tell men they need to man up
      11. encourage women to give their a-holes and ‘gina-holes early and often to douchebags
      12. tell men they need to man up
      13. destroy the classical, heroic character in their neo-con movies, replacing them with ass-cocking gay cowboys
      14. tell men they need to man up
      15. print money from thin air and inflate and deflate bubbles to seize a man’s home and property
      16. tell men they need to man up
      17. encourage women to become fat, whiny bitches
      18. tell men they need to man up
      19. publish, promote, fund, and finance ass-cockers like tucker max who film secretive taping of ass-cocking sessions without the girl’s consent (tucker max rhymes with goldman sachs), repeating tucker’s lies that he is six feet tall in the neo-con mag, the weekly standard.
      20. tell men they need to man up
      21. transform the church from an institution where a man could once go to meet a virginal, exalted wife, into a front for the divorce industry, where single mothers with three children from three ass-cockers go to rope in a beta male to pay for the ass-cocker’s spawn
      22. tell men they need to man up
      23. castigate, attack, and impugn men for acting like men
      24. tell men they need to man up
      25. transform the noble, exalted university into a nursery, ruled by neo-con women exalting ass-cockers, asscocking, and good grammar, exiling and deconstructing the great books and men, and rewarding the servile future nannies of the nanny state with fiat dollars delivered fresh from ben beranke’s helicopter
      26. tell men they need to man up
      27. remove all men from the publishing industry, so that priscialla painton of simon and schuster sodom and scheister can publish tucker max rhymes iwth godlman sax’s stories on how he asscoked a girl (somone’s future wife who will asscock her future huspband in divorce coutrt as revenge for having been assocked by a neocon) and taped it secretly without her consent. Remove all men from the publishing industry and replace deep, profound, real great books for men, with twilight vampire asscocking female rape fanasty “romance” novels.
      28. tell men they need to man up
      29. conceive of a hundred government programs to criminalize men and force them to hand over their assets to women
      30. tell men they need to man up
      31. financially incentivize womem to file for divorce, promising them that their former husdband will have to pay for all their future assocking sessions, and that they get the kids/house/car/assets
      32. tell men they need to ma up
      33. fill the law schools with fat, embittered, burned-out, nasty (in looks and spirit) post-asscoked lawyeresses, and replace Moses’ and Zeus’s law with Bernake’s Banker laws which exlats theft via the inflation tax
      34. tell men they need to man up.

      lzozoozozol

      what aalalz am i mizssing here:???

      35. Tell men they need to man up?

      Adderall is a helluva drug.

      lzlzozoozkzomzgz

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 3:47 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

      da GBFM once considered learning how to butthetxtlzoo
      but it alll seemed a race to da bottom
      lzozoozozozo

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:59 pm Greg Eliot

        All the wisdom and puns too?

        This is becoming an embarrassment of riches. 😉

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 4:18 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        yah
        butthext is not all it’s cracked up to be

        zlzoozozozolzolozoz

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 5:10 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        learning hot to butthxtetxt is definitely on da bottom of my list
        lzozizozozozooz

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 5:11 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        so many girlz butthetx these days. in that regard da gbfm is behind the culture

        zlozozozozooz

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 5:40 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        my girlfreindsz’ sister told me i really need to lear how to butthextx
        i told her to butt out
        of my businesss

        lzozozozozozlzozmzmzozlzol

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 5:42 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        i don’t want to butthext as
        it would make me feel
        like an assholezllzozozozozo

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 5:45 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        my ex girlfrined used to practice buttehxt every single day until she perfected it
        she was pretty anal
        lzozozozoozozoz

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 5:48 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        one gf told me butthext would hurt her but not me
        but i’m pretty sure she
        was talking out her ass
        lzozoozozozoz

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 5:50 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        i was always scared that if i started butthext
        and discovered i din’t like it halfway
        i’d be up shit creek
        with no paddle lzozozozlzolz

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 5:52 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        whn you think about it
        butthet is kinda
        a shitty thing
        to do to someone else
        lzozozolzoozozozo

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 6:21 pm johncorvus

        Lozzlozlzllzzzzlollllzzl

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 7:41 pm Greg Eliot

        ZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZZOZLZOZLZOZLZOLZLOZLOLZ

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 7:54 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        three gay guys walk into a bar and the bartender says
        “i don’t get it. what’s the butt of the joke?”
        lzozolzolzolololzo

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 7:58 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        One time a girl asked, “will you please butthext me?”
        “No thanks,” said da GBFM, “A cock in hand is worth two in da tush.”

        “A cock in hand is worth two in da tush.” –da quotable GBFM lzozozoolzolzloz

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 8:07 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        actually to be honest
        i did butthext a girl once
        i sat on my iphone
        and my butt
        texted her
        zlozzoozozozozozo

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 10:50 pm Rum

        Yes, butt without butthextting, how could lawyers be conceived, much less properly gestated — then to be “delivered”?

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 11:11 pm Greg Eliot

        God says all butthexters will be left behind.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 1:56 am Anonymous

        Butthexting, fuck that shit

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 2:20 am tspark156

        Butthexting, fuck that shit.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 5:46 am Greg Eliot

        Knock off all t his butthext talk… I’m tired of the hole business.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 1:55 pm tspark156

        Its not funny lots of women had anal sex and it wrecked em

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    • on May 13, 2015 at 1:57 pm tspark156

      Interesting in a dumb ass feminist, I can’t think of anything cleverer to say, or do you actually find this of some interest to you?

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  2. on May 12, 2015 at 12:03 pm More Indirect Evidence That “Fake It Till You Create It” Works | Manosphere.com

    […] More Indirect Evidence That “Fake It Till You Create It” Works […]

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  3. on May 12, 2015 at 12:05 pm earl

    ‘Preconceived beliefs, firmly adhered, can gradually alter the chemistry of the brain.’

    So it’s more of a matter of the heart and the brain and body language are just the outside manifestations of what’s within.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 12:28 pm Anonymous

      You fairy!

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 1:01 pm Greg Eliot

        Fairy yourself… earl the pearl is one of the chateau’s significant minority opinion voices.

        Avaunt!

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 12:42 pm Rex Kalt

      As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 4:01 pm Anonymous

      Consider: The placebo effect … .

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  4. on May 12, 2015 at 12:20 pm More Indirect Evidence That “Fake It Till You Create It” Works | Neoreactive

    […] By CH […]

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  5. on May 12, 2015 at 12:28 pm The Spirit Within

    Pricing too. You price a product higher, consumers value it more. You price it low or make it free, consumers sneer at it. There’s tons of research proving this.

    One of the benefits of reading this website has been learning to call the sexual marketplace by its proper name — a marketplace.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 11:19 pm Steevelam

      This must be the reason why people use free software or that store sales attract more customers.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 8:16 am Canadian Friend

        Both are true.

        People with more expendable income – usually ambitious people – are drawn to expensive things as they feel (consciously or not) that expensive things will make them have more class/will impress others.

        While people with more modest means are drawn to good deals/low prices/free stuff because when you are on a tight budget impressing others (usually ) takes second place to having enough money left to make it until the end of the month.

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  6. on May 12, 2015 at 12:37 pm IHTG

    Dunning-Kruger Game?

    [CH: works for deadbeat naturals.]

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  7. on May 12, 2015 at 12:41 pm themanofmystery2

    Fake It Till You Make It is how I always heard it. You can boil it down to an acronym too, FYTYMI or fuh-timmy. Easier to say, rolls off the tongue.

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  8. on May 12, 2015 at 12:44 pm newlyaloof

    Living as a beta = fake it until you make it stop (“it” being “life,” and “stop” meaning a slow, unfulfilled death)

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  9. on May 12, 2015 at 12:45 pm Wrecked 'Em

    I once handed out unbanded cigars to a group of my friends at a party, lying about their country of origin. Strongly implying that they were expensive, difficult to get, and illegal, I made a fuss about not handing one to anyone who wasn’t going to finish it, further raising the cigar’s implied value.

    The results were as above… everyone reported that they were the finest cigars they’d ever had.

    Did I lie? Of course I did. Did I do something bad? I think not.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 12:48 pm Greg Eliot

      One time I was trying to get rid of four old tires that still had some meat on them…

      Stuck ’em out by the curb with a “Free” sign… they sat their for three days.

      Changed the sign to “$50” and they disappeared that evening.

      [CH: you see the same human psychology, amplified to 11, at work in the fashion industry.]

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 12:57 pm Sentient

        and finance…

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 12:58 pm Greg Eliot

        Yeah, but I never got the fifty bucks. 😉

        [CH: zing!]

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 1:48 pm corvinus

        [CH: you see the same human psychology, amplified to 11, at work in the fashion industry.]

        Maybe that’s why fat fugs gas on about how hot and sexy they are…

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 1:32 pm Ohiomega

      “Did I do something bad?” Yes. The ends don’t justify the means. Truth trumps feelings. Truth trumps everything. Truth IS the way and the life. That’s why even pretty lies must perish.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 1:34 pm Ohiomega

        *. . . .way and the LIGHT. . . .

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 2:38 pm earl

      ‘Did I lie? Of course I did. Did I do something bad? I think not.’

      Yeah you did something bad. Do not bear false witness against your neighbor is the the commandments for a reason.

      Now did it harm them…no. But you did set a pattern in your brain where this could bite you in the ass down the road. Nip lying in the bud before they screw you over.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 6:47 pm LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

        You’re misquoting the commandment. It does not say not to lie. “Bear false witness” has a very specific meaning.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 8:30 pm The Old Codger

        The cigars were his neighbor?

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 3:30 pm spongebob no pants

      “Did I lie? Of course I did. Did I do something bad? I think not.”

      you proved that your friends are kind of simple though.

      “everyone reported that they were the finest cigars they’d ever had.”

      and none of them owned humidors or had any idea what cuba tastes and smells like. if the trade embargo is lifted I would encourage everyone to partake of the glory that is cuban leaf.

      what would have been funnier is if you told the girl you were all trying to bang about your little stunt beforehand. you would have eliminated all your competition.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 1:42 am Ripp

        I’m not into cigars at all however have a friend that owns a cigar shop. He was saying how “cuban” cigars are really overated and more of a value perception due to Cuba not being able to Trade with US.

        He also mentioned much of the Cuban cigars are actually blended with crop from the Dominican republic and highly prefers Dominican brands to Cuban.

        …thus another placebo…

        I wonder how bad billy Clinton’s cigar smelled after he jammed it in Yidlinksys stank Joo poon. not kosher…

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 8:38 am Canadian Friend

        Ripp has got a good point, the fact Cuban cigars were hard to get and if I’m not mistaken were illegal to own in the USA, is what contributed to the perception that they are better than they truly are.

        I am not saying they were bad, but they seemed better because of the context.

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  10. on May 12, 2015 at 12:48 pm Anonymous

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/09/boston-university-prof-flunks-white-masculinity-in-controversial-tweets/?intcmp=latestnews

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    • on May 13, 2015 at 6:54 am Eliezer Ben Yehuda

      >>> boston univ prof flunks white

      The BasketBallPeople are all talk. This is what real life looks like:

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/11596210/South-African-mercenaries-secret-war-on-Boko-Haram.html

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 8:32 am Greg Eliot

        Boko Haram… a whiter shade of wail.

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  11. on May 12, 2015 at 12:59 pm Sentient

    CH – what’s up with the mod now? Until April, usually a post would pop out in a few days. Now they seem stuck forever? Repost or wait?

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 1:04 pm Greg Eliot

      I have the feeling there’s a good CT to be had out of this.

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  12. on May 12, 2015 at 1:00 pm themanofmystery2

    This is essentially the core of game as a whole. Recognizing that within you, the man, lies all the power and control that matters.

    The power to be whatever you think you can be. It’s pretty funny that the Army’s old mantra of “be all you can be” is really a restating of “be all you believe you can be.”

    All the feel-good, self-affirming shit that you hear (If you dream it you can do it, you can do anything you truly believe you can do) applies most of all to success with women. As a man, your predisposition toward certain traits is only a starting point. Maybe you’re a 2/10 in looks and a 5/10 in wallet. So what. If you’re a 10/10 in the suite of alpha male traits, you’ll pull above average broads effortlessly.

    example: Sean Penn, ugly fuck…his woman is Charlize Theron. Enough said. Forget congenital (heh) traits. Go get it.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 1:10 pm Sentient

      You forgot Scarlett?

      actually he has had a slew of beauties.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 1:25 pm uh

        And Jewel. Fuck you if you don’t agree!

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 4:03 pm The Spirit Within

        Jewel was (is?) gorgeous and supposedly low-maintenance. And she just dumped her ugly cowboy husband, so game on.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 1:14 pm Greg Eliot

      It seems to be a recurring theme, here at the chateau, that the Hollywood cock carousel displays examples of alpha-cred.

      Until I see some of these whoring starlets stick with a man that can do absolutely nothing for their careers… or even put their careers on hold for the guy, a la Ali McGraw and Steve McQueen… I can’t say for sure who’s alpha and who ain’t.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 1:21 pm Sentient

        I don’t think Mr. Penn particularly cares when his girl is head down, ass up…

        As an aside, I know some people – total right winger missionaries – who worked with Penn in Haiti… and while he is full liberal to the max.. his work there was very real, he was on the ground and personally invested in everything going on. They came away with a great deal of respect for him, to their great surprise. Authenticity in action.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 1:30 pm The Spirit Within

        @Sentient

        I’ve heard the same. Penn’s for real — a man’s man AND a liberal. Yes, it’s possible.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 1:44 pm The Straw That Stirs the Drink

        He He – and Strapon would know all about real men’s men after all…

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 1:54 pm corvinus

        or even put their careers on hold for the guy, a la Ali McGraw and Steve McQueen…

        You’re thinking of Neile Adams.

        But yes, Sean Penn is simply a Strapon with way too much money. All he needed to get started was Jew Game, and he coasted on from there.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:07 pm The Spirit Within

        Keep ’em coming, fellas. This way I know I hit a nerve.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:08 pm Greg Eliot

        No, I’m talking about Ali McGraw for the last four years of his life.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:15 pm corvinus

        No, I’m talking about Ali McGraw for the last four years of his life.

        Gotta disabuse you about Ali McGraw. When she got with Mr. McQueen, she was 33, divorced, and with a kid. So no: definitely old and used up.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:22 pm Greg Eliot

        Naw… she was at the peak of her career in 1976 when she starred with him in The Getaway.

        And 33 to a Hollywood actress is like 23 to a regular girl… at least back then… nowadays it’s like 18, given what regular girls have become.

        And his first wife wasn’t all that good looking, nor any sort of famous actress.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:25 pm Greg Eliot

        Keep ’em coming, fellas. This way I know I hit a nerve.

        Yeah, that… or maybe you just serve as an estimable dartboard.

        lzlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlozlozlozlozlozl

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 4:27 pm corvinus

        And 33 to a Hollywood actress is like 23 to a regular girl…

        Are you serious?

        Considering the drama, ego-tripping, and lotsa cockas, not to mention the younger models hanging around, I’d say it’s more like 43 to a regular girl.

        (shakin’ mah haid)

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 5:31 pm Anonymous

        A friend’s mom, probably in her 50’s then, on seeing Elizabeth Taylor on TV remarked “I wonder how many miles of cock she’s had”… LOL

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 7:01 pm Philomathen

        This way I know I hit a nerve.

        I’m sorry, but I can restrain myself:

        on May 10, 2015 at 12:54 pm | Reply

        Philomathean

        I wonder what goes through her head when she looks at her pics. Probably some stupid fucking Katy Perry song that Strapon can sing by heart.

        on May 10, 2015 at 1:20 pm
        PA

        Lol!

        on May 10, 2015 at 1:48 pm
        The Spirit Within

        Take your potshots. I’m most likely several orders of magnitude more successful with women than you’ve ever been, lil man.

        on May 10, 2015 at 3:38 pm
        Greg Eliot

        Well, that jest hit the mark.

        Let’s be fair to Strapon, though…

        I mean, we know he’s a lady killer, for he himself has told us on more than one occasion.

        el oh el

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 7:43 pm Greg Eliot

        The regular girls all do that now by the time they’re 23… and they don’t have the fancy doctors and trainers and dieticians (etc, etc) to keep them in top form.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 1:16 pm Greg Eliot

      And on a side note, Bill Murray and Mickey Rourke deserved the Oscar those years.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 2:15 pm earl

      ‘Sean Penn, ugly fuck…his woman is Charlize Theron.’

      Who did the dumb thing and chopped off her hair. She’s damaged goods.

      http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1268973/thumbs/o-CHARLIZE-570.jpg?2

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 10:53 pm Anonymous

        “Who did the dumb thing and chopped off her hair. She’s damaged goods.”

        Nice observation. She had so much potential

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 3:34 pm gunslingergregi

      that first chick looks kind of like the one that said i hate white boys and tried to kill me wrecking my truck after saying want what you can’t have about 20 times that night
      still a fun memory though he he he
      moral i dont know she couldn’t have a fat dude with no teeth and yet it still made her mad enough to kill
      funny shit the power of preselection?
      how far a chicks friend will go to steal her dude?
      how much inner confidense can really take you

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:41 pm gunslingergregi

        and same night a chick tried to punch her in face cause jealous of her with me i mean wtf man

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 11:25 pm Anon2

      Yet the incel WNs here claim that Game cannot help a colored guy get with white chicks.

      It can. Race is just one of the disadvantages that can be compensated with Game. In fact, few guys have benefited more from Game than colored guys seeking to lay white women.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 5:43 am Greg Eliot

        Get your story straight, shitskin… or are you just another Yid cuck fetishist here to neener-neener those who care about a future for white children?

        The Cathedral-disguised-as-red-pill playbooks says the darkies are natchells, and when a white guy learns game, he just actin’ like a brutha.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 6:31 am James blonde

        some girls just look at your hands and your feet; thats why I like to wear sandals.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 8:47 am Canadian Friend

        … some girls just look at your hands and your feet; thats why I like to wear sandals….

        Does it work with girls?

        long feet = large clitoris?

        Not in my experience, so why would it work with pen*s size?

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 9:05 am Greg Eliot

        Geez, Louise, Canadian… don’t encourage him. 😡

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 12:38 pm James blonde

        fuck your cockblock Eliot; you’re not in charge of him and Im not afraid of you.

        Leave him alone.
        And dont touch my dog either.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 6:04 pm themanofmystery2

        Why would Greg care about your dog? Is he Korean?

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OhohteHuyPM

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 6:08 pm Greg Eliot

        Blonde likes to consider Canadian Friend his personal bete noire.

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  13. on May 12, 2015 at 1:05 pm Fred

    The mind is everything, what you think, you become – Buddha

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 1:08 pm Greg Eliot

      Whether you think you can do it, or you think you can’t, you’ll probably be correct.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 2:45 pm mendozatorres

        Yup. So far, FITYMI has been serving me well since I’ve applied it last year. Always puts a smile on my face and leaves people wondering just what the hell I’m up to.

        Sometimes, not even I know.

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  14. on May 12, 2015 at 1:05 pm insidious

    This is a persistent misconception in the game world. It’s not the “fake-it” part that boosts your alpha status. It’s the risk-taking. There’s no risk in acting the part, unless in acting the part you’re actually taking some risks.

    The way to gain authentic alpha male cojones is to put your life, your ego, and/or your reputation on the line. Do lots of shit where the cost of failure is high. If you make it out the other side, you’ll have alpha cred that no man or woman can take away from you.

    Having success with higher quality women is a start. But if that’s your only measure of manhood then expect guys like me to come pluck the ripe pussy right out of your effeminate little hands over and over.

    Don’t take it personally. It’s just nature.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 1:10 pm Greg Eliot

      Well, you’ll have to pull out a victory from the jaws of defeat on SOME occasions…

      … otherwise you’ll just be a buffoon that everyone dog dares for amusement.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 1:17 pm Sentient

      Posted this the other day but it got messed up. relevant to this post…

      @walawala said “I’m more relaxed overall and I think that is positively improving my game.”

      Congrats man. Your story – so ably chronicled here at the Chateau – should dispel all game denier mythists once and for all. And what you point to, “being relaxed”, and what Ya refers to as “reference experience” comes down to one thing – CONFIDENCE.

      Confidence is essential to game (and what naturals are doing, which is still game, they just don’t know it). Confidence is merely the self knowledge that you can do something, mostly because you have done it before. A lot of bad game advice is along the lines of “be confident” or be “irrationally confident” or their opposites “fake it till you make it”. Very difficult to make actionable and leave guys struggling.

      A better approach for those starting out might be to purge everything that is not confidence from your thought process. So these things need to go:

      Fear, validation seeking, ego preservation, envy, jealousy, anger, bitterness…

      If you focus on purging these feelings, you will go a long way toward ending up in a confident mindset.

      Approach anxiety? – fear. You should not be afraid of merely speaking to a women. Don’t worry about what to say or next steps. Start small. Start with hello. That’s not scary right?

      Validation seeking ? Women seek validation (from men and other women). Men should be focused on what they are doing – bias for action – rather than how they are being perceived, especially by strangers. The root of validation seeking does not believe in your own worth. Self validate and you will never doubt your self worth. A pretty girl talks to you? Makes out with you? Fucks you? Great. Does not change your worth. Does not change who you are.

      Ego preservation? Related to fear and self worth. You would rather not “fail” because you think it lowers your self worth. “I am not going to talk to that girl because of XYZ [made up reason]” that preserves my worth. Question – if succeeding with women doesn’t increase your worth how can failure lower it? Just be. Some people will like you, some wont. Some will be men and some will be women. You are the same.

      Envy and jealousy? This is you projecting your scorekeeping on others. You think others are doing the same to you, because you tie everything to your self worth. No one is keeping score. You shouldn’t either. You watch a guy come over and chat up a girl and leave with her – good for him! Be positive. Embrace positive outcomes for others. His girl prettier than your girl? Awesome for him. What he has does not negate what you have. Put another way, what you have does not negate what he has either… Practice ridding yourself of envious and jealous thoughts and you will be amazed that what replaces them are positive feelings. Positive feelings create positive outcomes (in game).

      Anger and bitterness? Scorekeeping again… accept people for who they are not what you want them to be. Guys and women. So a girl doesn’t like you or blows you off? So what? Did you share a fun moment. Embrace that time and be content in that thought. She is not taking the future from you, you are going to make that yourself, with someone else. She isn’t taking your worth, so why be angry and bitter? Nothing kills a positive vibe more than angry bitter feelings. No woman finds that sexy. No man enjoys the company of angry bitter men.

      So you may not be able to “be confident” but if you work on eliminating these negative thoughts you will find that you can be in the moment, and once you are in the moment you can just simple be… this is the relaxed state that sub communicates confidence to all around you. And now you are not faking anything, you have become authentic. And people can feel authenticity.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 2:00 pm theasdgamer

        Hey Sentient. +1 about purging anything that would undermine confidence.

        I had a different problem the other night that interfered and it also needed to be purged. I had a nice emotional connection with a gal (I’ll call her S)–I had a very cool, relaxed vibe on and she asked for my no. straight up.

        In walks a gal (I’ll call her T) who said she wouldn’t be there and I am in training mode with her–she has lied to me a couple of times and done a half-flake. T wanted to dance with me and I said no. She then sat in front of me, looking away. She managed to stay in front of me multiple times during the evening and this totally broke my frame so that the connection with S was broken. T was pinging my radar hard. Very disconcerting.

        Only way I can think to deal with this in the future is to change venues. Do you have any suggestions?

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 2:49 pm mendozatorres

        +1. Solid advice right here.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:35 pm Sentient

        Ignore T and pay more attention to S… S will get T’s subcomms. T will get correction.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 8:53 pm theasdgamer

        Sentient, I ended up ignoring both. Probably better long term. T likely had a late hookup anyway. T thinks that I care about her hookup, which isn’t the case. T lies about why she’s leaving early. I don’t like the lies.

        T and I normally dance a lot late in the evening. T wanted to get her dancing with me in early since she was leaving early. Hence the heavy pinging on my radar. I kept getting “incoming” all night long. It’s really hard to keep focus on another gal when that happens.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 2:25 am Ripp

        @asdgamer

        The learning experience here is to study up on some jealousy plot line basics and maybe some AMOG tactics.

        All women lie (or what you perceive as a lie) during the courtship. Accept that. Nothing to fear and is an element to embrace. Be just as flighty and unpredictable to them. Stop thinking linear-like and start acting more spur of the moment.

        Use them as pivots during the evening.

        Suggestions:
        -don’t be afraid to snip their thread during conversation (interject with non sequitor; confusion game)
        Example: I always use food…any neutral topic works really.
        Her “the other day I was with my friend blah blah blah…”
        You: “oh fuck I ate the bombest triple ham cheese melt today…so good…hey u see fast n furious yet? Its so stupid but I like it anyways…vin diesel is a tool but cool about paul walker tribute blah blah wait be right back.”
        Roll off and immediately open “T”…or another chic or high value friend.

        Like if “T” keeps appearing in your vicinity while talking to “S” then pivot the opportunity to up ur value in front of them. Clearly T wants your attention. Break away from S -only for a moment- and approach T with a quick “hey creepy quit following me…or no more dancing for you tonight” (quick hug and cheek kiss, back turn, back to S, kino continue dancing conversation whatever)

        The above is just an abstract of the concept there is no way I can know all the details of the environment.

        This type of what I call ‘ping pong game’ is how to roll with multiple targets and suitors in a night game environment. Don’t stay idle and linger until she is ready to be bounced.

        Lastly- you’re correct about leaving the venue. If you start stalling… Disappear for a while. If venue is big enough goto new area…or leave altogether.

        Bottom line is the only real way to get fluid game tingle inducing charisma is to keep going out and pushing your boundaries. Don’t get hung up that T or S flaked or might be banging/talking with another dude. Truth is…those guys most likely are beta….and the more cool and dismissive you are about her actions ….the better chance you have to be the next guy to hammer her out.

        Its like you pull a #, u have good TXT rapport, u ask her out, she flakes, doesnt respond etc….then when u see her out she keeps giving you IOIs etc…act like it never happened. Up the assholery a slight notch…u see her with a dude and she’s trying to get your attention? Say whatsup to her and get a hug. Befriend the dude and start a convo, own the frame and ignore her then role off.

        Good luck.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 6:53 am theasdgamer

        Ok, more details. Both S and T are in my social circle. Have known both for over a year. Have danced with T heavily for over a year. There are habits of behavior involved. T has expectations that I will dance with her.

        Lying to people in one’s social circle is unacceptable. I understand why it’s done and it’s a special case. It’s also a 5h1t-test. I can’t explain how I know that, but I know it.

        Our dance venue has bottlenecks and T hangs out in a bottleneck, typically chatting with her last dance partner. T is not following me and no way is it creepy. I danced with lots of women, not just S. T watches me out of her side vision. Her head tracks me as I move and she is chatting with someone else. She does the freeze thing when she notices me. If I look at her directly, she quickly catches my eye. After dancing with a woman, I have to pass the bottleneck. My radar was getting pinged every couple of minutes for 90 minutes. T has total plausible deniability when she pings my radar heavily.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 7:20 am Sentient

        “Like if “T” keeps appearing in your vicinity while talking to “S” then pivot the opportunity to up ur value in front of them. Clearly T wants your attention. Break away from S -only for a moment- and approach T with a quick “hey creepy quit following me…or no more dancing for you tonight” (quick hug and cheek kiss, back turn, back to S, kino continue dancing conversation whatever)”

        ASD – Ripp is not being serious about the creepy… it’s a playful statement. Your asperger’s is interfering… Ripp’s advice is solid.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 8:34 am Ripp

        @asd

        “Ok, more details. Both S and T are in my social circle. Have known both for over a year. ”

        !!!!!

        Dude. I gotta shiv you hard here. You are sperging out full retard. And I misjudged your experience level. I presumed S and T were new prospects of less than 2 to weeks.

        This much thought and emphasis on 2 stale social circle targets of over a year? Dude. Hear it and own it now: time to man up and quit being a bitch.

        It’s grossly obvious u aren’t cold approaching or meeting new targets.

        Back to the basics. Learn cold approach my friend.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 8:55 am having a bad day

        @theasdgamer

        T is the married broad who pings your oxytocin?…

        assuming yes, that chemical cocktail in your head is still getting in the way of clear insight…you COULD still clear that up the natural way…lol…but assuming not, then here’s a game plan…

        operant conditioning is still in play…on both sides (she’s training you too, don’t forget that…lol)…and she is getting your attention (her reward), drip, drip, dripped out…to reward her for pinging you with HER attention/IOIs…that’s variable interval, variable intensity reinforcement schedule…the most effective schedule possible…(note – this is the same thing that girls do to beta orbiter/providers to keep those resources flowing…)

        her lying about not going to venue gets rewarded by you being there (since you might avoid that venue if you know she is going to be there) and giving her your attention once she shows up…so, it’s more likely to occur in the future, unless you manage the situ…and you can’t just tell girls not to lie, they don’t get it…lol…which includes her lying about other stuff, too…if she was going for a hookup later, that ‘lie’ might not have been aimed at you…lol…she still has to manage her ASD…(note – this is also why you should not take girls ‘lying’ personally…it’s never about anything/anyone but them…lol…also, the lying about not going to venue is a shit test in the same way a flake is a shit test…)

        to manage this situ, you will have to start to call the shots (active rather than passive reward schedule)…(note – your avoidance behavior is not going to get the results you want…) so, invite her out to the next venue, so she doesn’t have to lie to know she has a chance at your attention…

        then, it’s just ATTENTION (for good behavior) and BACK TURN (for bad behavior)…this should be a binary result…all or nothing…and yes, it will seem rude, but you can tell her what you expect from her and what her unacceptable behavior is…and then expect a shit test on it and hold your frame by BACK TURN when she does that behavior…the downside to you is that having a rock solid frame is alpha and will ping her tingle circuits…lol…

        then, after she gets some ‘satiation’ of your attention, you can start to vary the intervals to reduce your attention (time) to her…

        also, using S to facilitate the back turns should work to your benefit…

        …or, you could just use ‘polite indifference’ and never dance/interact with her again…lol…

        good luck!

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 8:56 am having a bad day

        @theasdgamer

        stack ate another one…

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 9:09 am theasdgamer

        Ripp’s advice is solid, only I don’t want to up T’s tingles any higher. She and I already know what’s going on and there’s no plausible way to say that she’s following. I don’t want to be playful with T. I know very well what I could say, but she’s not on my menu. Any encouragement and she will be a bigger pain in the @$$. And she will get butthurt about me balking, etc. Not a fun road to travel.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 6:22 pm walawala

        @adsgamer This situation happened to me all the time with my crazy ex who in your scenario would be T. She would break up or start a fight, then show up where I was and stare or hang around. She didn’t want to leave with me, she just wanted to stare.

        It was disconcerting to me but I normally just ignored her completely in these situations.

        These girls don’t want to be with you but the pre-selection trigger kicks in and they don’t want you to be with anyone else.

        It’s a paradox that you have to have a very strong frame to resist. Leaving with S is a good option.

        Getting out of T’s line of sight and just having a great time is another option…it is a “Fake it til you make it” situation…if you’re having a crap time leave or if leaving is not an option, find a way to purge her from your line of sight.

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    • on May 13, 2015 at 5:05 pm l4cen4ire

      2 last paragraphs memorised for future use

      Toth

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  15. on May 12, 2015 at 1:31 pm The Spirit Within

    Grab your vomit bags before reading this.

    http://elitedaily.com/women/cant-tame-untamable-girl/1029478/

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 2:01 pm uh

      you can’t even really shiv these points owing to wretched self-complacency. look:

      “You can’t have her because you can’t keep up with her.”

      right – i can’t keep drinking shots, smoking cigarettes, guzzling coffee shakes, scrolling on my phone, inducing abortion with plan b, and letting strangers choke me during sex. i am so traditional.

      “You can’t call her a mess because she’s not interested in cleaning up.”

      “You can’t restrain because she thrives in chaos.”

      etc.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 2:50 pm mendozatorres

        “You can’t call her a mess because she’s not interested in cleaning up.”

        That’s a mess! HAHA…we all wept! Shite.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:58 pm Hosswire

        They shoot untameable horses, don’t they?

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 4:04 pm Greg Eliot

        Let’s be fair to horses, now.

        What do they do with untameable jackasses?

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 1:09 pm mendozatorres

        Put them in public office!

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 2:31 pm Lara

      She sounds like she was on some kind of high while she wrote that.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:18 pm The Spirit Within

        Yeah, especially point #1. “The untameable girl has a supreme forcefield of energy that radiates from her body at all times.”

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 5:26 pm FilthyMattress

        this. bolivian marching powder and/or ADDerall

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 3:17 pm Greg Eliot

      Zara Barrie… I’m guessing, based upon her bio, well… you know.

      If not, she’s merely one of the useful idiots carrying the water.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 4:01 pm Greg Eliot

      I’ll bet when she finds an untameable man, untameable grrl purrs and curls up like a house kitten.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 9:45 pm James blonde

        boom boom, out go the lights

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    • on May 13, 2015 at 2:33 am Ripp

      Just another you go grrrrlll cock carousel manifesto of the female millennial degeneracy.

      U gargle all tha cockas u want grrrrllll ……garrggle garggleggle gargglee

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  16. on May 12, 2015 at 1:39 pm uh

    “Our hypothesis is that people who are social perfectionist are much more sensitive to signals of failure in the environment,”

    Probably also the origin of the Alana Masseys of the world: their forebrains are at war with the cues they pick up on about their status. Low value leads straight to seeking validation in multiple partners, and of course resentment of men. This is why they obsess on the media as purveyors of standards of beauty: otherwise they would have to admit that it is simply the existence of more attractive women.

    “Now there’s this change in society,” O’Connor replies, “you have to be Mr Metrosexual too. There are all these greater expectations – more opportunities for men to feel like failures.”

    Dead wrong. If this has an evolutionary explanation, “hav[ing] to be Mr Metrosexual” will have nothing to do with it. Read it this way: would you believe me if I said men commit suicide because they fail to live up (or down) to the zeitgeist’s erroneous and oppressive expectations?

    This all reduces to two concepts: surplus males / scarcity (of all resources), and Durkheim’s anomie.

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  17. on May 12, 2015 at 2:16 pm cgiisntforyou

    The difference is that the wine doesn’t have conscious of being a fake, there is no conflict. You just state: This wine is expensive, or just put a label that it shows that.
    In the case of a person there is conflict. If you have few facts to support that attitude you will give up on the first shit tests and you’ll be trowed off.
    You never put a wine trough tests, there are no storms that the wine has to pass. A guy, on the other hand, if he doesn’t have some deep roots, he will in a blink of eye start to doubt is attitude.
    So, the biggest barrier is congruence for the guy trying to do that, because the wine can keep his “posture” of expensive alpha without much trouble

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 3:12 pm spongebob no pants

      “because the wine can keep his “posture” of expensive alpha without much trouble”

      only with people who don’t have experience tasting wine. latour tastes like latour. vogue musigny tastes like vogue musigny. no way to fake it. once you have a few good vintages the qualities get seared into your brain and there’s no going back. kind of like once you have a few top quality women all the average ones aren’t worth the time.

      the reason fake it till you make it works with women is because they are stupid and desperate and have no experience with real alphas because they’ve never been in a relationship with one, only pumped and dumped if they are lucky. most women are fat, boring, unremarkable pigs and as a result they are like the guy showing up to the wine party with no real tasting experience. he’ll thinking everything is “amazing” and look like a fool.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:26 pm The Spirit Within

        There’s that old saying about not wanting steak every night. Once in a while hamburger tastes better.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:37 pm gaoxiaen

        I’d show up at a wine-tasting party with a bottle of Monte Alban and a few lemons, and let other people drink that other crude impure shit.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:40 pm spongebob no pants

        “There’s that old saying about not wanting steak every night. Once in a while hamburger tastes better.”

        just different parts of the same animal. I can find plenty of parts of a hb to enjoy without wanting to slum with a 6 just for the sake of variety.

        there’s that old saying about action. sometimes I want to lie back and get a bj. sometimes I want to pound her face. sometimes I want it missionary. sometimes I want to stick up her ass.

        “I’ve had chave hermitage every night for a year. I’m sick of it. I think I’ll drink some sterling merlot.” – said no one ever.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:56 pm Greg Eliot

        If anyone orders the merlot, I’m leaving.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:59 pm Lara

        Personally I’m glad there are men who don’t have sky high standards. It’s a lot of work being a top quality woman.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 6:59 pm johncorvus

        @ Lara wait, wtf are you trying to say

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 4:34 am James blonde

        Lara, its really not too difficult to be a top quality woman; the mother of Jesus?
        well yeah.

        Smile, be able to dance, be a pretty good cook and suck a mean dick?

        does that really wear you out?

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 5:56 am Greg Eliot

        Negro, who told YOU that you could address white women?

        That said… eh, Lara…

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 6:24 am James blonde

        This is the internet ni66a; HTF you know what color she is?

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 12:48 pm Lara

        I don’t buy spongebob’s assertion that there are few great women, and most women are worthless. He can really like certain women for personal reasons, but to believe they are so much better than all other women is silly.

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  18. on May 12, 2015 at 2:19 pm Anonymous

    “Cop gets executed. Shitlib: “hey he signed up for the job” Inevitable shitlib logic: Cops stop doing job, “The Purge” becomes daily treat.”

    I’d like nothing better than to see the cops go on a nationwide strike for a day, or even a week. That would educate a lot of people faster than any other way I can think of.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 2:42 pm oink

      cracker pigs vs ferral nigs. the joy.

      plutocracy is throwing its secondary revenue stream collectors and under the bus? poor babies (whose job still has to crack single digit on dangerousness scale)

      oink

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:44 pm Bobby Cuddlefuck aka The Hamster Whisperer

        Agreed. The cops are a scourge on society. It’s a shame the debate has been framed into a racial issue, instead of an issue of personal liberty. Here in l.a. The cops were nowhere to be found during the Christopher Dorner manhunt. Result was peaceful skies bereft of helicopters and no cop cars on the streets. It was quite peaceful. That being said, the Rodney King riots had the effect of making the police a bit more in tune with their community. My home town has the deadliest police force in the country and it is an oppressive shit hole.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 3:50 pm gunslingergregi

      had a chick tell me today its mostly white people in jail blacks get away with everything pretty much
      like white people getting arrested and put in jail for crimes that dont even hurt other people and get mad time for them
      i guess they are really working on getting those crime statistics changed by just ignoring whatever blacks do

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:51 pm gunslingergregi

        and hammering white to the wall on anything
        told you guys before every day almost cops searching someones car and it is 99.999 percent of time white people but how can it be a legal search unless everyone is guilty

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:54 pm Greg Eliot

        My wake up call came years ago when I saw firsthand legal system behavior in the service.

        Pretty much everyone that finally wound up in jail was a three- and four-time offender that the system lost patience with, or that they finally overstepped their bounds on what could be pleaded down.

        And yes, the vast majority of miscreants just happened to be nonwhite… at a time when the service was known as the great equalizer and the least racist institution in society, based upon opportunity of nonwhites to learn valuable trades and/or get promoted through the ranks.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 9:49 pm James blonde

        white people got the money to pay fines.

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  19. on May 12, 2015 at 2:30 pm YaReally

    Like Tyler says, girls will convince themselves that your flaws are features when she’s attracted to you and will focus on all your good qualities and focus on all your good features, but then will convince herself that those EXACT SAME features are flaws and will focus on seeing all your bad qualities when she loses attraction for you.

    It’s nice to see science confirm it, but this shit is all out there in the field for anyone to see if they go out and push their sarging and mack on hotter girls lol

    [CH: it’s amazing how many of a man’s personal failings a girl will ignore or rationalize away when she’s in love with him. especially amazing when one considers that a tiny fraction of his flaws are enough to knock an unsexy beta male completely out of the running.]

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 3:41 pm Anonymous

      Nut in her face often enough – and she’ll keep her beer goggles on.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 8:59 pm Junior

      @YaReally

      just a quick report as I’m following your advice from a while ago for ‘older guy solo game’, have been heading out each Fri & Sat night to regular spots, know bouncers & DJ by name now & a few regulars. It can feel a little weird just rolling in there solo each time though & saying hello to them, found it hard to generate social proof to walk in with. Anyway I shouldn’t give a fuck what they’re thinking, just my barrier to push past. I’m opening all, guys, fat girls, old girls, young etc, – actually getting awesome responses from guys lol – had like 7 of them interrupt me to shake my hand on their way out a few weeks back, which just adds to the fun of my night knowing I’m not a value leech. Met a guy who used some PUA lingo & claimed to have a pretty high notch count just linger around me while I opened people, & then come find me later in the night, still with no one to introduce me to lol. Funny how much a guy can talk a big game but take no action.
      Am getting shot down by mid-30s women but also getting strong attraction from some hot ones, offering to buy me drinks within a few minutes (only happened a couple times with the younger girls so far) – friends whispering to me that I have to hook up with her friend, helping sort logistics for me etc, then they go dance & I don’t follow – hate dancing, so instead go open others – but then lose them in the crowd or am too busy talking to others to reopen them & lose the chance to close. Logistics is merciless!
      Still no lays from going out – have dropped the ball on closing a few times – taken their numbers instead of bouncing with them to other venues because I felt like rolling with her & her friends to another venue would be kinda low-value, but I guess I just need to actually do it instead of imagining it lol. Still blows my mind that even when they’ve been giving me doggy-dinner bowl eyes, giggling, I’ve kino’d a lot & their friends have seemingly accepted that we’re a thing for that little time window, the numbers then flake the next day or even later that night. Anyway, just a little progress report. Thanks again for the advice, it’s been WAAAAAY harder to implement than I imagined lol – my social phobias are bigger than I thought, & it’s starting to hit me how long this process can actually take to start feeling semi-comfortable alone in that environment & start seeing results, but it’s still priceless.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 8:43 am newlyaloof

        @Junior, this may help:
        http://realchristianmcqueen.com/2015/05/12/episode-10-a-players-guide-to-rolling-out-solo/

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 9:01 am Sentient

        @Junior

        Good stuff man. How old are you? I am 47 and have looked to push my game by leaving the successful confines of cozy bars and upscale lounges to more club type environments… And I always go solo. It is a whole different type of game and the degree of difficulty is both harder (no bigger social fish bowl, no more raw dynamics) and easier at the same time (dtf girls specifically looking to hook up)… Lots of striking out trying to connect those dots.

        “I’m opening all, guys, fat girls, old girls, young etc, – actually getting awesome responses from guys lol – had like 7 of them interrupt me to shake my hand on their way out a few weeks back, which just adds to the fun of my night”

        This is something I do a lot of… just get talking to everyone, guys too as part of warming up. And it has led to some fun nights. One thing you can add is if the guys are cool, bounce WITH them to a new place, so now when you go in you have a group with you… especially if it is a place they know and have some social proof already.

        “mid-30s women “ … be fun and talk with them some but this will lower your value to the younger hotter girls if you start kino, making out etc… Keep moving.

        “Still blows my mind that even when they’ve been giving me doggy-dinner bowl eyes, giggling, I’ve kino’d a lot & their friends have seemingly accepted that we’re a thing for that little time window, the numbers then flake the next day or even later that night. “

        This is the key thing to remember here. IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU. It is never about you as a person. It is always about her and her emotions and feelings. You just play into that, interact with that, enhance that (success) or detract (failure). Her state is very temporal, and on top of that, it’s easy for her to achieve a lot of validation in a club environment. Every guy thinks she’s hot, every guy wants to buy her a drink, every guy wants to dance with her, every guy wants to grind/make out etc…. You see it over and over. Girls doing laps around the club, feelz everywhere, laughing, grinding making out with different guys all night and then POOF! They split by themselves or their GF’s… The guys are left holding their dicks.

        One way to get through is to show some contrast game – i.e. recent posts on disqualification… Challenge them, take aways, jealousy, moving around etc. Now that I’ve digested a lot of Mystery Method stuff… all of that kind of behavior makes so much more sense in this kind of vibrant club environment than running strong lazer eye / kino / vibe game (which works spectacularly in a less vibrant, more intimate setting).

        Check out some of these Mystery infield vids when you have some time to kill. They are long and can be boring, but if you understand the dynamics, you can pick up exactly why what he is doing is working…

        Have fun

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 9:12 am having a bad day

        @Junior

        props on putting in the work to get better…

        just a note…

        “Still no lays from going out – have dropped the ball on closing a few times – taken their numbers instead of bouncing with them to other venues because I felt like rolling with her & her friends to another venue would be kinda low-value, but I guess I just need to actually do it instead of imagining it lol. ”

        leading girls to other venues (that you pick) = DHV
        following girls to other venue = DLV

        when you are ready to leave the venue, just pick a spot to bounce to and tell them ‘let’s go…’…then, leave venue (with or without them)…bc staying after that = DLV…

        good luck!

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 9:56 pm Junior

        @Sentient

        Much respect on what you’re doing. I’m looking to graduate from the confines of cosy bars in the near future also, but only when I am able to open everyone in there. I still disqualify myself on people / groups that ‘look’ more socially savvy, better looking, all taller than me etc. Limiting beliefs that I just need to shatter. You’d think it would be easy but it’s like even when I tell myself I’m going to do it, I see such a group & feel like I’m a north magnet trying to get another north magnet to meet – my entire physiology just wants nothing to do with it lol! Pretty funny really. I find it harder when the places are fairly empty also as you can’t just disappear into the crowd. I’m 35, so it’s even more inspiring reading about what you’re doing. Yup the Mystery stuff only makes more sense the more you actually take action, thanks for pointing me to it again.

        @newlyaloof

        cheers for the podcast link. Looks like you need a membership password etc. though. Oh well.

        @HABD

        solid points, thanks for those. I need to be leading & isolating before they decide to bounce. Much appreciated.

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    • on May 13, 2015 at 12:57 pm theasdgamer

      YaReally, Mrs. Gamer will occasionally project her unhappiness or memories of unpleasant experiences onto things like furniture or country music as a genre, rather than let the memory attach to me. Unfathomable!

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    • on May 13, 2015 at 4:27 pm theasdgamer

      “She’s the one who’s winning.”

      Patriarchy.

      I married a 10.

      “She’s the one who’s winning.”

      For the first five years of our marriage, I went out to play D&D with friends on Sat. night, lol.

      “She’s the one who’s winning.”

      I gave up D&D for my own reasons, but two years later she filed. We reconciled, but she no longer thought that she was winning. Sex plummeted.

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  20. on May 12, 2015 at 3:31 pm Maine Dad

    In college my buddy & I used a razor to slice the label on the cap of a bottle of vodka in another friend’s fridge. We replaced the vodka with tap water, lined the cap up perfectly & headed to a party. 3 hours later we checked on the gathering of what we expected to be dissatisfied friends. Most were buzzing on beer and one guy’s girlfriend was hammered. 1/3 of the vodka bottle was empty. We asked who was drinking vodka? Drunk girl. Anything else? Nope. Just vodka & orange juice. Sooo, watery OJ had a normally quiet coed flashing & dancing on a desk. Belief is a powerful thing.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 3:36 pm Greg Eliot

      She must have gotten a look at the label.

      (Honeymooner homage – there was an episode where Alice and Trixie pulled the same thing with grape juice on Ralph and Ed)

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  21. on May 12, 2015 at 3:33 pm Greg Eliot

    People, women especially, are more than happy to let their imaginations run wild about what they don’t know for sure or what their feely-impressions tell them.

    I keep thinking of the movie Being There… Peter Sellers was a simpleton who only knew how to tend a garden, and through chance he wound up mixing with the upper society in politics. People would try to talk to him about weighty matters and he would answer in simple homilies about gardens and he soon became the toast of the town as some sort of pundit/mysterious philosopher.

    One especially funny scene is where this hot young DC babe was watching him being interviewed on a talk show… her eyes glazed in admiration as she says to her beau “I think he’s brilliant!”

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 3:39 pm Sentient

      an excellent movie… Chauncey Gardiner — Chance the gardener… show you how much of everything in our interactions is projection – to us and from us and in us… Game.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:46 pm Greg Eliot

        What makes that movie especially ribald is Chance wasn’t even trying to game anyone… they were all gaming themselves.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:51 pm Greg Eliot

        That’s an aspect of “game” that deserves a volume unto itself…

        Mastering the art of letting people game themselves… no lies or pretense on your part necessary, to maintain plausible deniability when the occasional false impression catches up to you.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 3:51 pm Sentient

        exactly… they are all gaming themselves… and women most of all… Game is a way to tap into sequences that people are looking for.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 4:57 pm Dr. Fill

        Three Jewish actors in a film written by a Jew. Just sayin’.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 5:33 pm The Straw That Stirs the Drink

        DR Fill – wait a sec. You mean Hollywood is dominated by joos????!!!

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 6:59 pm Anonymous

        “Three Jewish actors in a film written by a Jew. Just sayin’.”

        I knew Sentient was a Jew lover.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 7:46 pm Greg Eliot

        Well DUH! Sometimes they hit the mark and tell on themselves too.

        I also like the Coen Bros. movies and the music of Bacharach, philosemite that I am.

        What was your point again?

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 8:04 pm Putin

        Damn, this is Joo central. What would these fetish people do without them?

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 5:53 am Greg Eliot

        Damn, this is Joo central. What would these fetish people do without them?

        Live a life in which the existence of our folk would be secured, along with a future for white children.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 6:12 am earl

        It’s always the six degrees of separation with the Jews.

        Ideology ->Organization -> Group -> Structure -> Nazis -> Jews

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  22. on May 12, 2015 at 3:44 pm gunslingergregi

    More Indirect Evidence That “Fake It Till You Create It” Works””””””””’

    i like it
    ill keep trying

    thats also why if you walk around with a hot chick that treats you like her god
    other chicks are gonna notice
    cause you just are the quality man

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  23. on May 12, 2015 at 3:57 pm gunslingergregi

    anyone who has their son grow up in us though should have the kid taken away for child endangerment

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 4:11 pm gunslingergregi

      or child abuse some shit like that

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  24. on May 12, 2015 at 3:58 pm Loyalist

    Latest casualty in the war on men:

    Toronto man makes undignified comments to female reporter at soccer game, man identified through social media shitstorm, man fired from his 107k/yr job:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto-tv-reporter-fights-back-against-obscene-on-the-job-hecklers/article24390881/?service=mobile

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  25. on May 12, 2015 at 3:58 pm More Indirect Evidence That “Fake It Till You Create It” Works | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  26. on May 12, 2015 at 4:52 pm Hawk the Hawker

    Case in point, Francis Bacon. Couldn’t even draw – ever. But he believed in his muse and abandoned himself searingly to it – a raging salesman at heart. He puts a Walt Disney or Carnegie to shame. Just watch his interviews. Now his… experiments… go for more than Rembrandts.

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  27. on May 12, 2015 at 5:01 pm Francis

    Was drinking heavily at a business event a few months ago. Not ripped, but buzzed. An attractive female who I knew through work came up to me at the bar and asked what I was doing. I responded that I was getting drunk. Why, she asked. Because it makes dealing with women easier, I said. Slept with her a few hours later. I’m still fucking her. FWIW, I stopped giving a shit what people think about 10 years ago. You should too.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 7:03 pm Anonymous

      Are you a married fella?

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 8:46 pm Captain Obvious

      > “I stopped giving a shit what people think” I feel like that’s a good 99.999% of Game, if not the entire 100% dadgum percent of it. Just quit caring.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 4:44 am James blonde

        But the opposite is true too; Hitler cared so much he dedicated his life.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 5:51 am Greg Eliot

        Thank God somebody finally mentioned Hitler…

        … the suspense was killing me.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 6:39 am earl

        Nah don’t quit caring…that’s just makes life turn dull and boring. Besides that’s just a cop out.

        The sweet spot is to not wear your heart on your sleeve (Hitler!) and don’t become a bitter cynical husk of humanity because your heart got stomped on.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 10:45 pm Anonymous

      Does your wife suspect anything?

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  28. on May 12, 2015 at 6:12 pm Putin

    Field Report:

    Was at my happy place. It is getting interesting as I become a regular. Have one gal that originally turned me down flat for her number walk by me on the side walk for the second time. Can’t tell what type of look or vibe she is giving me.
    Another kept[t showing indications of interest I think because I had approached her with an introduction over the past month. I am approaching so many women that I am starting to lose track.
    Decided to text my 8(Sentient said would flake) and 8-9 while sitting there. No reply’s so far…
    Near the end of my time there a gal walks by that looked like an angel. I wait to see if she walks back and stand on the sidewalk with my device. Sure enough she comes back and I confirm her. Solid 9. She gets 5 feet away then trips. I put out my hand and she jumbles her stuff to take it. I pull her toward me and say that she might be able to join my Harem.She smiles and asks ina blond way “What is that?” I am about to explain when I just say that we can get together and I will explain it. I then pull her toward the rail which separates a Restaurant patio with the sidewalk. She resists a little and says she has to go to work. I say it is alright. I bring up Harem again and then say just give me your number and we can talk about it. Hand her the phone and she puts her number in the name section. I show her and she says “oh did I”. I say it is alright and type in her name and number in the correct place. The I say wait while I send a text and she thinks I am taking a picture of her. I say no, just wait for the text. She gets it and says she has to go to work. I send her another text which says I was impressed with the trip she used to get my attention. Have not got any response. Had peepers(men that were watching and taking notes) Probably a little shocked with how I pulled her around.

    Solid 9.

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 7:15 pm johncorvus

      That’s game, homie!
      Except I’m not sure about the text you sent, I understand the intention but I feel it lacked finesse. I believe it might have been more optimal to suggest a meet up in person, and send a gamey text nailing down said rendezvous.

      It’s not like you fucked up necessarily, I just think the text was sub-optimal and possibly try hard/awkward.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 8:00 pm Putin

        “Except I’m not sure about the text you sent, I understand the intention but I feel it lacked finesse. I believe it might have been more optimal to suggest a meet up in person, and send a gamey text nailing down said rendezvous.”

        I think you might be correct on this.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 8:24 pm Benson

        “Except I’m not sure about the text you sent, I understand the intention but I feel it lacked finesse. I believe it might have been more optimal to suggest a meet up in person, and send a gamey text nailing down said rendezvous.”

        I think you might be correct on this.

        Meh, doesn’t matter. That was a ballsy approach; it’s only a matter of time before that confidence earns you some solid numbers. Besides, this one might not be a dud just yet.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 10:02 pm Putin

        “it’s only a matter of time before that confidence earns you some solid numbers”

        Spoke like a true sales pro.

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      • on May 12, 2015 at 11:05 pm Benson

        Spoke like a true sales pro.

        One day soon.

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    • on May 13, 2015 at 5:42 am meistergedanken

      Wait a sec – I thought you were quitting this site and never coming back? Or was that just an unseemly bout of girly petulance? Men should follow through and actually do the things they say they are going to do.

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  29. on May 12, 2015 at 7:27 pm henry himbeere

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

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    • on May 12, 2015 at 8:11 pm gunslingergregi

      interesting

      ””””’Just-world hypothesis The tendency for people to want to believe that the world is fundamentally just, causing them to rationalize an otherwise inexplicable injustice as deserved by the victim(s). ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

      yea prob the 9 gazzilion cop shows and court shows are gonna help with that

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  30. on May 12, 2015 at 8:24 pm Captain Obvious

    > “Via Randall Parker, a study found that mildly intoxicated people look more attractive to the opposite sex. Alcohol gives you a relaxed, confident, happy glow.” Back when I used to drink, my Game was at its absolute apex the next day, when I had a hangover. When you have a hangover, your voice is lower and growlier, your hair is all a wreck, you move much more slowly and deliberately, and you DO NOT GIVE A D@MN about anything – no fear, no trembling, no sweaty palms, no second-guessing yourself, you just say what the he11 ever you feel like saying. Me with a hangover == pure p*ssy magnet. Ergo, for me, much of “Game” is forcing myself to calm the f*ck down and behave as though I did have a hangover.

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    • on May 13, 2015 at 2:38 am johncorvus

      So fuckin true, CO

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  31. on May 12, 2015 at 10:17 pm Neoconnation

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-12/face-baltimore-you-wont-see-news

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    • on May 13, 2015 at 2:50 am Ripp

      Before the link even loaded I already knew the story.

      And on MSM there’s a great article about 2 ni66ers that got accepted to 8 ivy league schools…no mention of the SAT details and affirmative action policies of course.

      How many more decades of failed government policy and agitprop can society endure before the rise of truth cleanses the beast?

      dindu nuffin’

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 4:54 am James blonde

        lets not go crazy now; there are some white people out there who deserve to be beaten within an inch of their life.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 8:44 am Ripp

        Sheeeeeitttttt

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 9:50 am Canadian Friend

        lets not go crazy now; there are some white people out there who deserve to be beaten within an inch of their life.

        Since the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by blacks, there are far more blacks that deserve to be beaten to an inch of their life.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 10:07 am James blonde

        personally Im glad ni66ers are known to pop off and stab you in the neck over a minor slight…

        It helps keep the white man keep his word.

        He needs the help.

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  32. on May 13, 2015 at 5:27 am D

    Or settle for an older thin woman.

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  33. on May 13, 2015 at 5:37 am Mikey

    This article is spot on. Actually, when we “fake it”, we are not really faking it….it’s a vibrational universe, with a precise response system built into the matrix, whether you are faking it, or it is actually happening makes no difference to the universal forces, you’re going to receive the same thing, bc the vibration is the same. And this gentlemen, is how we should believe and conduct our lives in all aspects, both professionally and personally. I would highly recommend THE SCIENCE OF MIND, by Ernest Holmes. It’s a guide book to living successfully in our 3d matrix. So go ahead, fake it, in all aspects of your life- the powerful forces of the universe are always listening and will respond exactly precisely what you think, act, speak and feel.

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    • on May 13, 2015 at 5:49 am Greg Eliot

      it’s a vibrational universe, with a precise response system built into the matrix, whether you are faking it, or it is actually happening makes no difference to the universal forces, you’re going to receive the same thing, bc the vibration is the same

      Far out, man.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 6:19 am James blonde

        knock it off Eliot; he does have a point beside the one on top of his head.

        I recently discovered I have an F# in my bedroom that I presents when I sneeze. But the key to any harmonic resonance is knowing the medium.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 8:19 am Greg Eliot

        Just watch your harmonics when you’re crossing the street…

        If you don’t C# you’ll Bb.

        llzozlzozlzlzlzlzozlzozlzolzozlozlozlozl

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 8:37 am Greg Eliot

        I recently discovered I have an F sharp in my bedroom that I presents when I sneeze. But the key to any harmonic resonance is knowing the medium.

        And when you is crossin’ de street, you C sharp so’s you don’t B flat.

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 8:37 am Greg Eliot

        WTF is up with the auto-mod on this particular subthread?

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 8:50 am Ripp

        amusing 3D troll is 3D

        “Heh” in E minor 450hz or some shiiit

        @thwack
        dindu nuffin

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    • on May 13, 2015 at 10:16 am Canadian Friend

      A vibrational Universe?

      If the Universe is female, she must be having a lot of orgasms !

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      • on May 13, 2015 at 12:53 pm theasdgamer

        Self-initiated. Masturbation is an act of worship, lol. She seeks the Cosmic C0ck.

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  34. on May 13, 2015 at 7:12 am stained class

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/hydro-one-employee-fired-after-fhritp-heckling-of-citynews-reporter-shauna-hunt-1.3070948

    this needs a lil CH treatment

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  35. on May 13, 2015 at 8:25 am Greg Eliot

    I recently discovered I have an F# in my bedroom that I presents when I sneeze. But the key to any harmonic resonance is knowing the medium.

    Jes’ watch yo’ harmonics whiles you crossin’ the street… if’n ya don’t C#, you’s a-gonna Bb.

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  36. on May 13, 2015 at 12:14 pm mas00

    If this is a re-post apologies my long insight was lost in the matrix.

    I hate to re type this again, but I’ve been quietly observing my roommates/friends situation from a far. Long story short my roommate is a police officer – LADP at that, so he should be “alpha” and get tons of action right?

    Before we moved in together I thought (this is going to be a great 30’s bachelor pad). Nope! Long story short he’s been seeing a early 40’s 6/10 on a good day maybe 7/10 if I’m inebriated married woman with 2 kids. His older sister introduced them a week before we moved in together.

    All our mutual friends and myself have given him our opinions on the matter as it first started off with “were just hanging out having fun” and now they hang out 3-4 times a week ( this is going on 6 months now). I don’t hang out with him anymore due to me working on my self and projects. I’m an artist, go to a lot of museums/shows, music concerts, I just enrolled in a public speaking class, etc. I do my own thing and it actually makes me feel some sort of disdain for him in retrospect.

    All he does is watch TV, or hang out with “his lady” and they just fuck in his room. When LADP man hangs out with our mutual friends they just tell me how all he does is talk about he love he is. He never talks to me about it, because well I gave him my 2 cents, but he didn’t agree.

    He broke up with with his last ex because he caught her hanging out with her ex bf. His mother bought him a ticket on a singles cruise go see all these bands to help him “get over the break up”. What did he do he invited the married girl.

    He has rejected my alpha wisdom and all of my friends opinions on the matter. I hate to see my friend go down this road. Is there any help for him or is this a case where he must learn by his actions?

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