“Beta bait” — and insidious and often unwitting conversational detour taken by women as a means of smoking out beta males or the manifestation of creeping beta maleness in a formerly alpha male — comes in many forms. CH discussed the three most common types of beta bait a learned man of the field is likely to encounter:
These three are the big ones, but there are other common types of beta bait. Readers PA and mendozatorres described a couple of beta bait tactics that catch inexperienced, sexually undernourished men off guard.
An example of beta bait / cougar batting beta [male] mice around for her amusement, which I see on FB:
– Formerly hot cougar posts a non-sequitur
– Beta mouse posts “?” or worse yet, a request for clarification.
– Cougar ignores beta’s question.
Yes, this type of beta bait falls under the category “Non sequitur lure”. Beware the woman bearing gifts of random musings to the world of men; she wants to see how fast and how eagerly you’ll legitimize her empty brain farts. Don’t even tickle that stinky lure with a curt “?”. Let it float downstream, away from you to a stagnant pool of hungry omegas whose rabid nibbling will ultimately make the crafty cougar feel worse than she did before she whored for attention.
If you receive a non sequitur from a woman, the best reply is a. ignore it and introduce your preferred topic of discussion, or b. make fun of it. “Non sequitur lures” are dangerous to naive men but can be quite skillfully and productively turned against their owner by a man with knowledge of the crimson arts. Since NSLs are usually so open-ended, the possiblities for gaming them into a personal DHV are endless.
The classic one is the sad face and nothing else. Beta bait!
While technically this is also an NSL, it deserves its own classification: The Sad Face Sympathy Emoti-Con.
When a girl shoots a “:(” over the wires, apropos of nothing and solicited by no one, she expects four kinds of responses from men:
– Some will ignore her. (A small minority of sexually sated men if she’s attractive.)
– Some will ask what’s wrong. (A large majority of beta males if she’s attractive.)
– Some will buck her up. (More horrible beta male anti-game.)
– Some will fuck with her and send a “8===D~~” in return. (A small minority of alpha males who know the rules of the game.)
You want to leave this esteemed Chateau as that last kind of man, the one all the ladies love.
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I got a “so precious <3" non sequitur from my recent ex after the break up. Ignore is my standard response to such tomfoolery. Is there any response that turns the tables?
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“so precious <3"
Hi Gollum
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That’s great. I would have sent that for my own amusement, whatever the outcome.
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“Leave now and never come back!”
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No. Ignore if you are truly done with her.
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Birthday cat, of course.
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For NSs I usually make fun of them. “Epilepsy” or “blonde moment”. No caps or punctuation to show not caring.
From an ex, I would not reply unless she offered me something I wanted.
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Yeah, I agree. Those are good responses generally, but post-break up any reply gives her what she wants.
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Did she contact after you saw her parents?
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Nope. I played it cool when I saw them, but she’s over it, dude. I think taking the bait in January was the final nail in my coffin. God damn it.
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Of course, if she comes back. But like I said, it’s doubtful at this point.
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@Benson best to ignore. But…IF you are truly over her then wait a few days and hit the ball back over the net with: “oh”
I do this when I get texts from girls who I haven’t heard from, from ex’s or I don’t have anything to say. She’ll pick it up from there and you can gauge where you want to take it. Since she hasn’t been on your mind and she’s reaching out there must be a reason…if it’s just attention and validation, “oh” is basically a non reply.
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Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I haven’t seen or spoken to her since early February. I’ll be sure to check in with you guys if she reaches out.
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Benson, use the breakup to strengthen your inner frame. Make her chase hard before you invest anything.
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Women are like buses. There’ll be another one along in 10 minutes.
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True enough. But you have to get good enough to catch them, to make the analogy complete.
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The point is to avoid a scarcity mentality and not to get hung up because you broke up with a woman.
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“Tourette’s?”
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I should have started posting here when this was going down. Probably could have saved myself a lot of grief.
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The emoji is how she feels at that particular moment…because it’s important to her or something. The only way it becomes bait is when the fishes start thinking it is important to them.
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Correct. Game talk has stagnated itself with overanalysis and microscrutiny. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Sabermetricians and MIT quants look at PUA deconstruction and say, “Whoa, dial it back, fellas.”
Game has become one more place for the ascendancy of nerds (who are permitted to exist because they’re ultimately harmless).
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King showing up to troll again. This is the guy who called CH a “faggot” and “metrosexual” for … what? Not advocating sitting in front of your teevee, guzzling beer and eating hot dogs, masturbating to King’s precious military news and nigball sports while not being active himself? Yeah, the typical neocon lover, a useless pile of lard who likes to wave the flag and shout “USA USA!”
And who obsesses about religion because that’s all he has. Attacking CH for basing his posts on evolutionary psychology – actual facts – instead of the “evangelical” i.e. religious fantasies. Sorry Matt, no one’s impressed by your holier-than-thou efforts. Holding up your religion to sound morally superior is old, and every single person who does that, man or woman, has always turned out to be a hypocrite, talking about religion but just picking and choosing and pretending that it all supports exactly what you believe politically, and what you do privately. Pathetic. Almost as pathetic as trolling the comment section here, not understanding anything of what CH says, and definitely not understanding what he’s doing. But that’s the life of the neocon lover, just licking the asses of his favorite media bosses and being unable to think in other directions than what they point out for him.
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@ Arbiter
tl;dr your boring rant.
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There are merits to self-improvement and refining your social skills. That part of ‘game’ I don’t have a problem with.
Trying to analyze what some woman means whenever she utters some statement or has a feeling will eventually drive you crazy. And this is coming from a guy who likes math and science formulas, charts, and can recite sports stats from memory.
So like you said sometimes a squirrel is just a squirrel.
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Arbiter,
Chill. We’re all in agreement here
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Arbiter, I don’t know Matt. But I am also disgusted at the neocons as well as American Christianity. But here is a problem I have with evolution or the evolutionists in general. They seem to be their own worst enemy with the defensive nature of their arguments. What I am getting at is that the American Christians seem to be no different then the evolutionists when it comes to the fact that they are obviously more concerned about their said positions/agenda than seeking the truth. Frankly the original theory has changed in a material way because of all the scientific discoveries. There are also branch theories which include aliens spawning the earth with seed. I believe Francis Crick came up with this one. The reason these theories have been created is because of the knowledge we have now which shows how complex even simple life forms are.
Just sayin
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Just sayin, this is Putin.
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@ Arbiter:
100% accurate about Matt Queen B. Continue to expose and shiv this deluded, sexless omega troll for the amusement and education of the Château’s new recruits. At best of which is the only valuable utility that can be extracted from his ramblings.
@ Château Floor
Queen B is an angry and bitter geriatric decay, that projects his sad life via conjecture of game denial, mental masturbation and Jesus scripture.
Here’s a rhetorical exercise that sums up Queen B: Why would a person expend so much energy year after year, post after post, with the intent to persuade others to deny game truths, and that evangelical Christainty is the only way to live – and do this at the most structurally fortified Ye Château House of Truth that has proven itself time and time again through facts and community consensus?
The answer is the first part of my reply.
Keep trolling Queen B. You serve as an example to younger men what happens when a weak man has no balls and never takes risks while growing up.
Matt Queen B = Jodie Arias
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Wrong newbies. The emoticon NS is a bored attention whore, looking for someone to chat her up.
It is definitely beta bait. But where you are getting confused is beta bait doesn’t have to be a conscious plan. It you are her beta boyfriend, you will be berated for ignoring her “important” communication. You’ll probably be lectured on your poor people skills, non chivalry, or some other total horse shit.
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If it’s all based on boredom then it was her plan to rid the boredom in some fashion.
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It’s fascinating to read about these girl game tactics, beta bait and so forth, then actually see women put them into practice. Pretty easy to defuse once you know what you’re dealing with.
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That Facebook chat where the guys ignore the fff and just talk about the cars is priceless.
I’m going to remember that image. lulz
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Yeah, that was classic.
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More science to lean in on: http://observer.com/2015/05/science-says-lean-in-is-filled-with-flawed-advice-likely-to-hurt-women/
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4. symptomless “health issues”
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Definitely worthy of inclusion, especially as they get older…
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Two text conversations:
My FB texts:
Her: When are we gonna fuck again?
Me: you’re gonna have to wine and dine me first
Her: Really?
then we discuss logistics….it’s a sincere attempt on her part to bang so I just don’t want to look eager…but she brought it up.
Second case, girl I used to bang, 35, still kind of hot, has beta boyfriend who posts photos of them in very mate-guarding poses where he’s practically smothering her…
I get this text today:
Her: Treat me dinner sometimes
Me: bring the tequila
This WAS beta bait and I blew it off with a reframe that if she’s serious about meeting up will respond to…so far she hasn’t replied and it’s been a few hours, so I think in both cases I handled them well.
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Well done – altho I might have done the second differently – deliberately misread it as “treat me AS your dinner sometime” and replied with something like “damn right you being my naked sushi is on the agenda”
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“Who is this again?” said with no emoticons or follow-up whatsoever, followed by a pregnant pause after she responds. You can drown a toddler in her panties.
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Is it wrong to refer to a girl as “little miss butt-chin”?
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no
next question
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There’s one girl I address as “bitch”, fwiw.
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bumble butt
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I sent a “dog-training” text to a woman for her bad behavior. She replied within two minutes with two texts. I didn’t bother to look at them.
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You know that she is gonna first, deny, then second, try to reframe so that her bad behavior is somehow my fault. Best just to ignore them. Her quick reply shows that she sees me as dominant. She sent them from work. I know because of the time and day.
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Looked at her text reply for a post mortem. It was a single ‘?’ She didn’t lie the next time I saw her. And she asked me to dance first. Her reply was beta bait.
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Betas: the Next Generation
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/teenage-boys-started-bringing-sanitary-5607898
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da fuq
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Perhaps he or his subconscious figured out that beta males are more attractive to menstruating chicks. (And preggos. And those on the Pill.)
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Women tell me they are “sorry” a lot. Alpha. Never say the word “sorry” if you are a man even if you are apologising.
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Bill Clinton Route: Mistakes were made.
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Aka poon commandment VIII. The Chateau is always a step ahead
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8===D~~ D:
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I think I’d add the random ass flash from a service industry worker as beta bait. This is based on two bartendresses. One of them was a single mom, still with dad, but not for long apparently. From the way folks treated her, she used to be really hot (in a tattoos, dreds kind of way.) No mudsharking, but the dad was a schlub. She saw me as a dude who could pay her bills, and would flirt gratuitously, including this midriff-bearing gesture that displayed all the goods she had to offer in her yoga pants.
I only saw her once a week, at this defunct karaoke bar which used to offer half-price tabs on Monday’s. You’ll understand, it was $5 for a Guiness/Jameson combo, I went to get drunk, scream my head off, try new songs, buy drinks for my friends. I hooked up there once or twice (most memorable who dug it when I did the Sex Pistols), but wasn’t my priority, and I recall her being kinda shocked another night when she was filling in, there was me and three chicks, I did Killing Moon, Everlong, Desperately Wanting, paid my tab and split before 11 w/ a new friend.
Other one worked at a place that would let my dog and me watch the sunset so I stopped in for a beer pretty regular. She was hot, a 9, but not that hot for FL, and I’d known her for a couple of years, while I imbibed learnings from our beloved host. Chick 2 had been with at least 4 guys in the years I knew her, one of whom was a dealbreaker, turns out later the figure was more like 7, but after her 30th, she also followed me a bit, into bars downtown with coeds, who were themselves 9s, but 10 years younger, and not having fucked the dealbreaker. Heard she moved back to Michigan, but it amused me at the time, they both made the same move within a week of each other.
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If it’s a target that’s early in the cycle and I recieve an NSL my standard reply is usually a half day (4 to 6 hours) ignore than I reopen with no acknowledgment of the previous. A complete disregard. A cocky funny or cat pic or anything that communicates I as if I didn’t receive her text.
Her: ” ughh what a day😦 ”
4hrs later…
Ripp: ” 372, 373, 3….7..…….4. Whew…doin one handed pushups “
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This would probably go under #2 Fishing for Flattery:
Its annoying when you Txt a girl with something light and playful (or whatever) and they respond with an unrelated/non queried reply of where they are or what they’re doing to try and stroke themselves.
Ripp: [sends cat meme]
Her: “lolll. heyyy. Im in vegas at a cool party haha”
I typically don’t reply. If I do its always hours later with “nerd” or another cat pic or any unrelated response.
If she’s hot and younger (early 20s and below) I may reply hours later with a mirrored response that doesn’t directly acknowledge hers: ” was at house party they had foam machine and petting zoo”
Or something like that. Its basically so vague and so bullshit that its impossible for her to tell whether I’m kidding or not…but makes her wonder…
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@Ripp what she just did there…is what YOU should be doing when you get random texts from girls. Depending on the girl if she sends a cat meme.. I may just write: “Having cocktails….”
Look what it did your hamster…imagine what it would do to an estrogen-fueled brain.
Never underestimate the power of this stuff….
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“8===D~~” translates to “Man with small balls and three inch dick fucks ear of sleeping woman”.
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Good article. This guy is also a good example of how to handle it: http://strengthbysonny.com/friends-with-benefits-the-non-mainstream-guide-to-keeping-fuckbuddies-on-the-payroll/
Has some pretty good examples of text messages.
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“Yes, this type of beta bait falls under the category “Non sequitur lure”. Beware the woman bearing gifts of random musings to the world of men; she wants to see how fast and how eagerly you’ll legitimize her empty brain farts.”
Can you give more concrete examples of this? I have a general idea but need exact pinpoints. I mean if you’re referring to a woman’s post about how much she hates men, then I fall victim to that on tumblr all the time. But if you’re talking about something else please specify.
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