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Do Men Desire Smart Women? Actually, No

May 26, 2015 by CH

CH answered this post title’s question already in the seminal “Dating Market Value for Women” at-home quiz, and in this post defining the qualifications of the “alpha female”, but feminists and male feminists continue to insist against the bleedingly obvious real world evidence that men desire smarts in women over and above all other mate value considerations. For instance, the latest garbage study purporting a strong male desire for female IQ is about as flawed as a self-report sex survey can get.

Instead of writing a draining exegesis on why smarts don’t matter much to women’s romantic fortunes —

executive summary: a woman’s IQ has little impact on her short- OR long-term desirability to men unless she’s beyond the comfort zone of intelligence compatibility with the man she’s dating; i.e. around 15 or more IQ points above or below the man’s IQ

— I’ll just reprint a Telegraph commenter’s witty response on the topic.

awesome research – it validates the view that porn has no future on the internet

So much feminist-friendly “””research””” has upon later inspection turned out to traffic in horribly flawed premises and methodology that it’s a good bet to prejudice any social science study issuing from an Anglo university with at least one Scandinavian- or Eskimo-sounding female name in the author list as worthless.

UPDATE

Commenter Arbiter does the hard work debunking this feminist study that I wasn’t willing to do.

All right, let’s take apart the Telegraph article:

1. Journalist Sarah Knapton has talked to a Professor David Bainbridge. So you would expect some strong scientific research to back up his claim, right? No. “Surveys have shown time and time again that this is the first thing that men look for.” You don’t even get to see the surveys. Nor do you get any mention of the fact that what people say in a survey doesn’t mean it’s true, especially not in a leftist climate that pressures them to ignore nature.

2. Bainbridge sets up a strawman to attack: it’s “large breasts and long legs” vs. intelligence. This is even in the title. He knocks large knockers by saying it’s not big breasts men want but symmetrical breasts, and he knocks long legs by saying it is straight legs men want, not long ones.

Ergo, men value intelligence instead of looks! Right? If you ignore the little fact that he just mentioned physical traits that men desire: symmetrical breasts and legs that are not crooked.

Far down in the article we also get this: “However men do like women to be curvaceous with voluptuous thighs and bottoms, and a waist that is much slimmer than their hips..” So the “men really look for intelligence, not beauty” theme that the article starts with is nonsense, even by the writer’s own admission. But this comes far down in the story.

3. The real “proof” to grab people’s attention is George Clooney. The article begins with a picture of him and Lebanese wifey Amal Alamuddin. Sarah Knapton writes under the picture: “Despite dating a string of attractive women George Clooney settled down with human rights barrister Amal Alamuddin”. They are mentioned again farther down in the article, and Alamuddin’s picture appears again.

No longer do you need to study thousands of people, you only need to look at one person’s choice. If you are the science editor at The Telegraph.

But not even this one example proves anything: Alamuddin doesn’t look bad for her age. She also no doubt shares Clooney’s socialist preferences, and his anti-White ideology served well by marrying a non-White. So looks, check, and compatible personalities, check. Furthermore, that she is a “human rights barrister” doesn’t mean she would be brimming with intelligence for Clooney to lust for. Probably she just has enough intelligence to be close to him on the scale.

Alamuddin is one of the worst exhibits the feminists could use to buttress their “men love SMRT women!” psychological projection. She’s hotter than 90% of women her age. And, lest the fact escape anyone, she’s also 17? years younger than Clooney.

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  1. on May 26, 2015 at 10:44 am rugby11ljh

    Interesting

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 10:52 am da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

      lzoozozoz as long as she knows the difference between inches and a foot, it’s cool lzozozolzo

      lzolzozozo

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 8:18 pm -A

      Technically, men do prefer straight legs and symmetrical boobs. Big symmetrical boobs are going to be more popular, especially in proportion to her whole damn body. As for straight legs, yes, this is true. A woman can be short with straight legs and be considered beautiful, so long as the ratio of leg length is considerably longer than the ratio of abdominal length. Incidentally, straight and long legged women with short torsos, wide hips and big symmetrical tits tend to do very well in the dating market. Blonde hair with blue eyes? Forget about it. That is the tour de force of beauty. Add to the fact that more petite ankles and wrists with long, straight, shapely arms, legs, hands and feet are little frills on the ballerina which excuse the label of HB10. Most men aren’t discerning, though. Also, outside of The Satanic Witch, which is not necessarily the best of sources but is pretty good, all of my evidence for what I have seen with my own damned wicked eyes time and time again is anecdotal. Do forgive me and try not to be too bitchy about tearing my post to pieces due to this fact. Oh, narrow shoulders. So long as it indicates a more petite frame and does not reach or exceed the hips, scandi-gold!

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  2. on May 26, 2015 at 10:50 am John

    I wouldn’t take a dumb or low IQ wife though

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 10:54 am everybodyhatesscott

      Smart men like smarter (relative to the female mean) women (for relationships). We don’t want idiots. Dumb men want dumb women.

      Extremely smart women are mostly annoying.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 10:56 am K

        exactly. the smarter you are, the smarter you’ll need your girls to be. like CH said, within the 15 points range. sounds about right to me.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 11:36 am Captain Obvious

        What’s death to her prospects, though, is a high-IQ chick with The Darkness in her heart. And so much of Evil Psychiatry Inc and the Gramsci Project is devoted to keeping the high-IQ chicks in The System for as long as possible, and polluting their hearts and minds and souls with nearly infinite moral and intellectual and spiritual poisoning. A smart chick who can spend time in The System, and emerge from it largely unscathed, is what the wise and foresightful playah calls, “A Keeper”.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 12:12 pm K

        “A smart chick who can spend time in The System, and emerge from it largely unscathed, is what the wise and foresightful playah calls, “A Keeper”.”

        agreed. i for one, value a woman with a good head on her shoulders. no matter how attractive they are, dumb girls are tiring, embarrassing to bring around friends and family, and poor prospects for marriage and child rearing.

        unfortunately the women you speak of are very rare so you usually have to settle for dumb/pleasant personality, dumb/unpleasant personality, or smart/unpleasant personality. not easy to find a girl with smarts and a good personality. like you said, they are keepers when you find one though.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 6:18 pm CuiPertinebit

        Extremely smart women?

        I’ve met smart women, and I have enjoyed talking with them, so long as they were still feminine, congenial creatures. But I have never yet met the “extremely smart woman,” and I doubt I ever will. I would agree that women who flatter themselves as being “extremely smart” are in fact “extremely irritating.”

        Perhaps it is an issue or relative intelligence; I don’t know my precise IQ, I only know that the test administered to me could measure up to an IQ of 155, and I placed somewhere in excess of that – I know women are thin on the ground past the 120 IQ range. Few men, even, make it into that range; yet I routinely meet men with whom I can discuss difficult topics, whereas every woman I’ve met, with two exceptions, will at some point hit a wall, beyond which it is difficult for her to understand me or follow my train of thought. In fact, her perception is so dim, that she won’t even realize that she’s failing to grasp a difficult concept, even if I carefully explain the logical progression of thought; she will simply think that I’m making assertions based on personal opinion, and will opine that things could just as easily be different, “for all you know.” Further attempts to demonstrate the logical certainties involved will provoke her to ask repeatedly, like a small child: “why?” Even if a man has trouble following me, from time to time, he is always aware that he has missed a connection, and will try to make it for himself. But as I say, it’s rare that I will meet a man who can’t follow the train of thought in the first place – and I’m sure that this is not because I have never met a man below a 125 IQ.

        In other words, it seems to me that most women are complete mediocrities. I’ve known two smart women, one a fellow graduate student in the Greek/Latin department, the other an Old English professor. Both were full of feminine grace and charm, happily (and practicing Catholics, a rare bird in the University); the graduate student was stunningly beautiful, as well. But though both of them are indeed rather sharp tacks, I still can’t bring myself to refer to them as “extremely smart.” Has anybody here ever met a genuine, bona fide, “extremely smart” woman?

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      • on May 27, 2015 at 12:35 pm Benny Hill

        Women are able to learn and memorize but they cannot process that information.

        Their intelligence is basically useless.

        Don’t need to be that smart to make my dinner anyway.

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  3. on May 26, 2015 at 10:58 am Donohoe

    The Cambridge professor is only doing it for the money. I reckon fairplay – he’s clearly clever enough to know how to exploit a plummy money-making situation

    If you click on The Telegraph survey in the article – more people (47% majority) say that looks matter most anyway, which speaks for itself

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 11:00 am Donohoe

      Fuck his book “Curvology” is like a feminists wet dream – why the fuck didn’t I come up with this shit I’d be fucking loaded

      Then, when we’ve got enough money and power and influence we could take down the whole fucking system like a Terminator film

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  4. on May 26, 2015 at 11:07 am martin

    I can’t find the study anywhere, does it even exist? I wanted to see what they actually did. regarding iq, I agree, I just don’t care about that number and I am bored of people talking about it. It just sounds too much to me like the ancient Gnostics valuing knowledge (academics) above all else. I don’t want to live in an academic utopia, that would be boring.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 11:29 am redtexas123

      Book knowledge has little to nothing to do with Gnosticism. It is more to do with having a relationship with the maker without the need for a priest or some other dogmatic figure dispensing guilt for free and forgiveness for a price.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 11:38 am Captain Obvious

        People seem to use the word “Gnosticism” to mean about a gazillion different things.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 11:41 am martin

        I beg to differ. The root word gnosis is a way of expressing knowledge. Whether that knowledge is books or something else isn’t my point. I said it was _like_ Gnosticism because in the modern era, there is a somewhat religious belief that the insightful, intelligent, leftists are more enlightened through their knowledge and will usher in a utopia which is different from the sinful evil ignorant and vile conservatives. certainly i have seen iq attributed to the left, they do this constantly. I am just bored with it and think it is nerd culture and wishful thinking.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 11:48 am Laguna Beach Fogey

        Gnonisticm.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 11:49 am Captain Obvious

        To a Christian, Gnosticism means realizing and experiencing the teachings of the Gnostic Gospelist, and, especially, to let The Spirit of Truth be your guide in all decisions which you make in this life. To a Papist, on the other hand, Gnosticism means the belief that the Mashiach was not a corporeal being [made of actual flesh and blood which could be eaten every Sunday if only they were properly prepared by a Papal Cleric], but rather that the Mashiach was an extra-corporeal entity which assumed a form that resembled the body of an actual man. Etc etc etc – there a gazillions of different uses of the term.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 11:54 am Laguna Beach Fogey

        *Gnonistism.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 11:58 am martin

        i should add that iq fetishism isn’t always linked with the left, sometimes it it just nerds projecting their secret desire to be sir isaac. again, boring.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 12:12 pm mendozatorres

        Gnocchi

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 6:34 pm CuiPertinebit

        I see; thanks for your non-dogmatic assertions about the evils of dogma – and for the free guilt you were also happy to dispense.

        And what if the Maker Himself ordained that certain men should be His special emissaries, and in fact inspired on of His greatest emissaries to exhort the faithful in the following words: “obey your prelates” – what, then? You put forward a false alternative, as though the creature were prohibited from a direct connection with His maker, simply because a guide, a teacher, a special representative, was also involved. If the Maker has ordained the office of the priest, then to reject it is to strain one’s relationship with the Maker. If there is one thing we know about the Maker, it is that He appreciates hierarchy. Even if He dealt directly with centurions, lepers and whores, He nevertheless also chose His twelve, gave them a power to bind and loose, and chose Peter for the special task of feeding His sheep. Can the Maker not feed His own sheep? Well, perhaps He chooses to feed them in more than one way, now in person, now through Peter. Is He not feeding them, simply because He feeds them through His deputy?

        Repent! We shall all find ourselves without excuse.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 6:44 pm CuiPertinebit

      Gnosticism wasn’t so much about “knowledge,” generally, as it was a specific system of belief. This philosophy held that matter was inherently evil, rejected the God of the Old Testament as an evil interloper who created the evil, material world, and held that people could only be set free from the evil of their corporeal existence by means of attaining a secret knowledge. They took offense at the radically material nature of apostolic Christianity – an Incarnate God, being baptized in material elements, suffering a viscerally, corporeally real crucifixion, actually raising the human body in glory and taking it to heaven, sending the Spirit down upon tabernacles of flesh and blood, and even suffering His faithful to partake of His Glorified and Translated Flesh and Blood in a supernatural manner via the Eucharist. They put forward the notion that this was all a Jewish distortion of the real Jesus’ Gospel, in which Jesus was a kind of phantasm or “hologram” who merely appeared to be corporeal, in order to preach the Gospel of pure spirit to men, and to liberate them from their evil materiality by means of the secret knowledge he brought. In Gnosticism, Jesus’ actual mission is to set men free from the evil demiurge/god of the Old Testament, and the evil of materiality, which he foisted upon them contrary to the will of the real supreme being.

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  5. on May 26, 2015 at 11:08 am Donohoe

    Fuck. his book ‘Curvology’ is like a feminists wet dream…

    Why didn’t I think of that shit. I’d be fucking loaded

    Then, with the money, power and influence, I could take the system from the inside like a that film iRobot

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  6. on May 26, 2015 at 11:15 am Greg Eliot

    Too bad for the gals that tits aren’t brains.

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  7. on May 26, 2015 at 11:20 am Do Men Desire Smart Women? Actually, No | Neoreactive

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  8. on May 26, 2015 at 11:30 am Lara

    Men seem to prefer smart women for marriage and to be the mother of their children. An incompetent wife and mother can get to be a real burden over time.

    [CH: men prefer beautiful, young women for marriage and mother-of-children-hood, but only a select few men can make their preferences come true. smarts do play a role when men decide on wife material, but only an ancillary one to beautynyouth. think of female youthnbueaty as necessary but not sufficient to qualify a woman for marriage consideration.]

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 12:28 pm Captain Obvious

      If you want stupid kids, then marry a stupid woman. For those of us who don’t want stupid kids, the key – the Ne Plus Ultra, really – is finding a smart and talented girl whose heart is not filled with The Darkness.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 1:03 pm Donohoe

        Are you talking personality?

        Because having a clever mother doesn’t mean you’ll have clever kids you nimrod.

        “smart women are more prone to depression because of our modern equality” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/8740278/Women-more-than-twice-as-likely-to-be-depressed.html

        Natural?

        A woman’s thriving environment is at home. Now, get back to kitchen where you belong, you pathetic excuse for a male.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 2:08 pm Renault

        @ Donohoe

        Them having a clever mother doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll have cleverer kids, but it sure as shit increases the odds.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 3:31 pm Arbiter

        “Because having a clever mother doesn’t mean you’ll have clever kids you nimrod.”

        Who’s the nimrod? You don’t even know basic genetics. While offspring tend to move toward the mean, intelligent parents are more likely to have an intelligent child than unintelligent parents.

        The link you provide is not proof of your claim. If intelligent women supposedly are more prone to depression, that doesn’t prove intelligent women or men wouldn’t be more likely to have intelligent children.

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  9. on May 26, 2015 at 11:35 am Mel Gibson

    Do men desire smart women? No, you say? But my Netflix says otherwise! Strong Female Leads get their own category.

    I took that photo this weekend and had to share.

    Bonus: Look up the description of that show “Melissa & Joey.”

    [CH: netflix’s customers are dominated by women and gay men. the default search categories are hardly surprising.]

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 2:22 pm anonymous

      >netflix indicates the interests of men
      >implying men watch for the “strong” female lead
      >implying strong female leads are believable
      pffft

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 3:16 pm Greg Eliot

        I’m still trying to figure out how Lara Croft’s tits didn’t get in the way of all that derring-do.

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      • on May 27, 2015 at 12:28 pm CarpeOro

        Never played the games, I’d just stop at looking at her tits I imagine.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 4:07 pm Glengarry

      That’s great, can you tell it to hide all movies in those categories?

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  10. on May 26, 2015 at 11:37 am Anonymous

    This runs parallel to the study that shows more intelligent women cheat more. I’ll look up the source later. I think I read it on the château.

    Also consider smart is not smart. If smart=woman’s study degree or street smarts. Or my favorite definition smart=doesn’t do dumb things… like ride the carousel or waste 6 years acquiring a degree. Or engage in sluttery. Thus smart=not a slut.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 11:43 am Captain Obvious

      There really are so many different kinds of “smart”. A high IQ is useless without any accompanying Common Sense. Or skepticism. Or resistance to propagandistic brainwashing. Or the Emotional Intelligence to realize that the person in the room with you is about to lose it and explode, and, oh, by the way, he so just happens to be a gun nut with 20 different models of Uzis and 10,000 9mm rounds which he has stockpiled for the occasion of his glorious departure from the bondage of life on this earth. Etc etc etc.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 2:16 pm Anonymous

        Damn. Troll hard? Any other issue of the day you want to lump in there?

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      • on May 27, 2015 at 8:55 am Captain Obvious

        Dude, I’m agreeing with you, man.

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  11. on May 26, 2015 at 11:45 am meistergedanken

    An old friend of mine (who’s a physicist) and I have long agreed that the only requirement we have regarding female intelligence is that the woman be just smart enough to understand what we are talking about. (No one wants a partner that is perpetually mystified/baffled). So that 15 IQ point limit sounds about right. But anything smarter than that does not bring any value – and as high or higher IQ quite possibly yields its own share of headaches (neuroses, etc.)

    This BS study just sounds like more projection.

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  12. on May 26, 2015 at 11:47 am Arbiter

    it’s a good bet to prejudice any social science study issuing from an Anglo university with at least one Scandinavian- or Eskimo-sounding female name in the author list as worthless.

    How would having a Germanic name make a scientist more prone to falsify studies in a leftist direction? Germanics are by far the most accurate and honest scientists. I doubt anyone here will know this, but you have no way of looking at the world of European research, which exists solely because of Germanic scientists. The Irish, Meds and Slavs who poured into the Germanic-built U.S. were the ones more prone to support the Left, which offered them benefits.

    Or is it really that a Jewish-sounding name makes the study suspect (true), and the rest was added to soften the blow? I understand; that is the kind of obfuscation that is necessary these days.

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  13. on May 26, 2015 at 11:56 am shartiste

    I like a woman smart enough to get my jokes, but not smart enough to tell her own.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 12:04 pm Greg Eliot

      Heh, heh… they try to tell their own anyway… especially if puns are invovled.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 12:14 pm James blonde

        I volunteer to take all the dumb white women so you dont have to hung them from trees.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 2:50 pm Greg Eliot

        Your kind has their hands full with their own dummies…

        … and a whiter shade of fail ain’t a-gonna he’p you none.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 12:28 pm meistergedanken

      “I volunteer to take all the dumb white women so you dont have to hung them from trees.”

      But you’ll settle for all the fat ones, though, amirite???

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 1:32 pm Skinner

        Po’ ole Thwack. Always a-thirstin’ after that unattainable white meat.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 2:30 pm Anonymous

        Better watch out… they are teaching all the young fatties in skrewel to go for dark meat. Pretty soon there will be so few white women that betas will have to choose the ugliest of the ugly. Then next generation there will be no whites for Mr beta fat ugly or otherwise.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 3:06 pm James blonde

        dumb white girls can sell pussy just as well as your daughters.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 3:12 pm Greg Eliot

        Your continued projection of the negro community’s mores and practices upon whites only makes your already-limp neener-neeners all the more flaccid, Sambo.

        If you’re going to continue this third-rate minstrel act, at least bring a banjo.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 5:19 pm James blonde

        Bring your girl and lets have a mud fight

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 6:06 pm Greg Eliot

        I’ll bring yo’ mama and we’ll both slap the black off’n ya.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 4:20 pm irishsavant

      For some reason I always find it annoying when a woman tells a joke. Even it it’s a good one. Strange that.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 7:04 pm Lara

        Nothing spoils a romance so much as a sense of humor in the woman.
        -Oscar Wilde

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      • on May 27, 2015 at 4:07 pm Greg Eliot

        Oscar WIlde, eh?

        How would HE know? :duckface:

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  14. on May 26, 2015 at 12:09 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    I’m not sure why we’re even discussing this. These people never stop, always pushing an agenda.

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  15. on May 26, 2015 at 12:22 pm Kyo

    A phrase from sports team roster management comes to mind: “anti-awful”. This is the kind of player you’re looking to pick up if a star player gets injured: just as long as he doesn’t play so badly that he takes the whole team down, he’s fine. Pitcher who takes the mound every five days, wins less than half his starts, but give you six or seven solid innings? Fine. Pitcher who gets knocked out in the second inning and exhausts the bullpen? Not fine.

    Similarly, you don’t need a 140-IQ wife, but you do need one who isn’t so dumb or incompetent that you’re always cleaning up after her financial and other life-management messes. (This incorporates future time orientation and general trustworthiness into “IQ”.) She’s below average in intellect but can mother her children and hold down a job? Great. She borrows thousands on a credit card without understanding the principle of paying back with interest? She wastes your time because you have to explain basic concepts to her? Move on.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 2:07 pm popcorn out

      The person you’re describing – average or below average intellect but capable of doing the simple things well enough – seems the perfect fit for the position of First Mate.

      Assuming you’re a good captain what is more important to you: that your first mate is just as smart or even smarter than you, or that she is capable of completing the tasks you delegate to her to a competent standard? No brainer.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 4:11 pm Glengarry

      The problem is, even intelligent girls are capable of running up credit card debt, etc. Because they are basically children.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 4:12 pm Glengarry

        Maybe I should make them sit for a “housemaker test” before we get serious.

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  16. on May 26, 2015 at 12:38 pm natphilosopher

    My impression is, women are very averse to dating dumber guys than themselves, like they prefer not to date shorter guys. They’ll sometimes do it, but I’d think a dumb guy married to a smarter wife would also be wise to worry about her stepping out on him for sperm for her child. Smarter in a guy is sexy for women,all other things equal and dumber is a big turn off.

    So I think many guys pick up on this, and tend to avoid smarter women as a result. If the woman’s attachment to them was the same, they’d probably prefer smarter, but in the real world it isn’t. However, smart guys definitely prefer smart women who value them for their smarts and are less in demand all things considered and produce smart children for them.

    [CH: yes, women prefer men of equal or greater intelligence. Female hypergamy in full FX. the “men love smart women” nostrum is just projection by homely smart women and sour grapes by nerdy low SMV men.]

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  17. on May 26, 2015 at 12:49 pm K

    “you do need one who isn’t so dumb or incompetent that you’re always cleaning up after her financial and other life-management messes”

    hallelejah.

    nothing worse than being saddled with a woman who makes a disaster of her life and expects you to always be there to pick up the pieces. been there, done that. will never do it again.

    [CH: not a few SMRT women are complete wrecks in their personal lives. although if IQ was all you had to go on, then yeah it makes sense to avoid borderline tards.]

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  18. on May 26, 2015 at 12:50 pm Benson

    What do folks here think of similarity attraction theory–that you date people who are like you? Looking back over the last couple of years, it seems to neatly explain my interest in introverted bookworms.

    [CH: after the primary youthnbeauty criteria are met, a girl’s temperament compatibility increases in importance.]

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 1:10 pm JayMan

      @Benson:

      “What do folks here think of similarity attraction theory–that you date people who are like you?”

      Yes. You might be interested in a large Australian extended twin study (one that looks at parents, other sibs, spouses, in addition to twins) discussed here:

      More Behavioral Genetic Facts | JayMan’s Blog

      It is no secret that spouses correlate on behavioral traits. This, assortative mating, is a powerful force, as we’ve seen previously. There are two aspects where spouses are highly correlated – the things you don’t talk about in a bar: politics and religion. Some have assumed that a good bit of this is because spouses grow more similar with time. But is this the case?

      This is where the “extended twin” design comes in handy. One large study (N > 20,000) in particular looked at precisely that. By including twins, their spouses, and parents, etc, they were able to directly measure assortative mating. What did they find? Spouses were correlated for several traits. But the traits they were most correlated in were political orientation and religiosity. Social “homogamy” (having the same background as your spouse) couldn’t explain this, as the correlation between MZ twins and their co-twin’s spouse were consistently higher than that of DZ twins, and so on. As well, spouses weren’t influencing each other, as the correlation between spouses was not affected by length of the marriage (even when only couples married <2 years were examined).

      The study was also able to lay to rest another persistent myth. We’ve heard that we choose spouses like our opposite sex parent (like our mothers for men and like our fathers for women). Anyone who’s remotely genetically informed should be able to see that this could just be due to choosing mates like ourselves. And so is the case. As the authors put it:

      there was no evidence for the sexual imprinting hypothesis. Twins’ partners were not significantly more similar in any trait to the twin’s opposite-sex parent than to the twin’s same-sex parent or a DZ co-twin of either sex, nor was there even a trend in this direction

      Studies claim to find that people don’t assort for personality, but that could be because the correlation is attenuated due to measurement error.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 1:11 pm JayMan

      (Comment in spam.)

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 1:17 pm blart

      definitely true for me. opposites do attract and can be fun for awhile but definitely a bad idea if you want anything long term.

      and looks are important of course. you gotta be attracted to the person obviously. but when it comes to real life relationships, personality carries a lot of weight for me. you aren’t gonna be in bed with a girl every minute of every day when you’re in an LTR so you need to be able to get along with her. besides, as long as she’s not hideous, i can turn off the lights when she’s having a bad hair day. can’t do much to hide a nasty or incompatible personality. even when she’s hot.

      having similar or at least very complimentary personality traits, hobbies, political views, etc. is super important. especially when it comes to the ins and outs of daily life, making important decisions, and getting along with each others’ friends and families.

      i am also pretty introverted and my girl is as well. we both like going out and doing stuff together, doing stuff separately, and we both like to have plenty of time to ourselves. most people aren’t like that and they don’t understand it.

      they get suspicious or needy anytime you try to get time to yourself or think there’s something wrong with you because you don’t want to put in the effort to entertain them all the time. most of my girlfriends couldn’t handle it. we were always fighting or in the middle of some awkward tension because i wasn’t giving them what they “needed”. not good for my mental health and not good for them either. they needed a different kind of guy and i wasn’t it.

      meeting the girl i’m with now was an eye opener. much better match personality wise and everything is so much easier with her. wasn’t fighting an uphill battle with her from day one like i was with every other girl.

      i don’t think we talk enough on here about screening for the right girls and cutting our losses with the bad eggs early on. could avoid a lot of stress and heartbreak if more people did that.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 1:26 pm Sentient

        Check out ironwood’s “wife tests”

        http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/search/label/wife%20selection

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 1:40 pm blart

        thanks Sentient. good article and from the looks of it, that’s a great site as well.

        i especially liked this little tidbit:

        “Many men will mistake beauty and youth for attractiveness. They see their wives in their prime reproductive years when their hormonally-charged young bodies are buffing their base attractiveness. “Natural Beauty” is a big draw, of course, and the frosting of youth makes it all that more appealing.

        But when you’re evaluating your future bride, you should look beyond “Natural Beauty” and take a cold, hard look at what Mrs. Ironwood calls “girl skills”

        girls skills. that’s the ticket.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 2:08 pm K

        i agree with blart. great stuff Sentient.

        here’s another good post from that site:

        http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2013/09/wife-test-red-pill-alerts.html

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 2:21 pm Benson

        Check out ironwood’s “wife tests”

        Good stuff. I’ve never heard “I deserve x,” but I’ve been told, “Someone like me needs blah blah…”

        Avoid self-centered sluts is the moral, I suppose.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 1:54 pm Benson

      So it would be fair to say, then, that women, after assessing your alphaness, will consider your other personality traits before jumping into a relationship.

      Because this is true, in my experience:

      i don’t think we talk enough on here about screening for the right girls and cutting our losses with the bad eggs early on. could avoid a lot of stress and heartbreak if more people did that.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 2:13 pm Sentient

        “women… will consider your other personality traits before jumping into a relationship.”

        I wouldn’t say so Benson, lots of girls just have to be in a relationship all the time… Alpha, beta no matter. They don’t stop looking for an upgrade while in one mind you – hypergamy and all…

        That’s also why guys should never care when a girl says she is in a relationship.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 2:24 pm K

        yeah, it would make sense that they would but most girls see what they think is a man’s potential instead of who he actually is. she doesn’t worry if he doesn’t seem right for her at the moment because she thinks she can just change him once she gets her hands on him. girls love a fixer upper…lol.

        that’s why we have to be the ones who make sure we’ve got someone compatible because they sure as well won’t. they will just make our lives miserable trying to turn us into people that we aren’t.

        and who gets the shaft when a bad match turns into years of resentment and bitterness because we can’t or won’t become who they wants us to be? we do, that’s who. that’s why we have to be so careful when choosing who we commit to.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 2:37 pm Sentient

        The projection starts at a young age… This guy here is everything to a young girl…

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 3:47 pm Benson

        I wouldn’t say so Benson, lots of girls just have to be in a relationship all the time… Alpha, beta no matter. They don’t stop looking for an upgrade while in one mind you – hypergamy and all…

        yeah, it would make sense that they would but most girls see what they think is a man’s potential instead of who he actually is. she doesn’t worry if he doesn’t seem right for her at the moment because she thinks she can just change him once she gets her hands on him.

        Bitter to the last drop. I hate and love this place.

        [CH: a man’s potential and who he is are, for all practical purposes, identical.]

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 3:51 pm 88

        “that’s why we have to be the ones who make sure we’ve got someone compatible because they sure as well won’t.”

        true dat

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  19. on May 26, 2015 at 1:00 pm JayMan

    (For the record, the best study on the matter found that IQ and attractiveness are uncorrelated, in both sexes. Dullards are just as likely to be ugly as are bright folks.)

    I think the best way to answer the question is to look at results. (Verbal) IQas

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  20. on May 26, 2015 at 1:04 pm JayMan

    I think the best way to answer the question is to look at results. (Verbal) IQ is the one trait for which assortative mating is the strongest. One might chalk that up to assortment for education, but regardless, it still happens. This indicates that people prefer (whether it be true preference or by how things shake out) those of similar intellectual capacity.

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  21. on May 26, 2015 at 1:04 pm Cringeworth

    egad, but one of the follow-up posts scrolling past the article advertises male rape going underreported. FOR CHRISSAKES, WHERE ARE THOSE RAPING WOMEN AND WHAT KIND OF MAN IS RAPED?!

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 2:34 pm Greg Eliot

      Eh… I believe the majority of men rape they’re talking about is prison rape and/or other homosexual “gay” activities.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 2:41 pm Anonymous

      Male rape is a serious problem. I was raped last night. I went to a chick’s place to “cuddle” but my advances were denied. There is no greater rape then a woman denying my right to place my seed in her. I went home and curled up in a ball in the shower just bawling listening to crying game.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 3:51 pm gunslingergregi

      i have never met a woman who would take no for an answer if she wanted to fuck

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 3:53 pm gunslingergregi

        if you never had a woman you had to physically removed from you
        i kind of feel bad for you ya haven’t lived

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 3:54 pm gunslingergregi

        or have no standards

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  22. on May 26, 2015 at 1:09 pm tspark156

    Look at who are the most popular/highly rated women among men of all ages. Then check what percentage are hot and what percentage are successful in business and academia and what percentage are hot and compare. The results are predictably obvious. Rachel Riley is a popular academic woman because she is hot with it and the only interest men have in her brains is fucking them out of her.

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  23. on May 26, 2015 at 1:14 pm chi-town

    Feminists should be grateful that intelligence does not weigh in for female attractiveness because they are , after all, idiots.

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  24. on May 26, 2015 at 1:31 pm Sentient

    Most men will choose the one with a 140 IQ… can you spot her?

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 2:56 pm Ronin

      The pale one who stays inside all day, reading Great Books For Men?

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 3:35 pm mendozatorres

        She’s whiter than the bikini.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 3:00 pm tspark156

      I know which one it won’t be

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 3:19 pm Greg Eliot

      Aaaah… not a tattoo in the bunch… or should I say bevy?

      What, is this a gathering from back in the eighties?

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 3:36 pm mendozatorres

        No shit. It’s getting to where if you find woman sans tattoo, she’s an anomaly.

        Then, marry her and tell her to make you anomalette in the morning.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 4:13 pm Sentient

        droll to you sir…

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 3:59 pm gunslingergregi

      interesting to note the body postures and hand placement
      the whitest one is the only one gaurding her pussy with her hand

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      • on May 27, 2015 at 9:01 am Captain Obvious

        Gunslinger, that is an OUTSTANDING kino observation. Another thread winner. PS: One of the most beautiful women that I’ve ever seen was a snow-white chick sitting in a bookstore coffee shop, in Palo Alto, near the Stanford campus, surrounded by brownly-tanned white chicks. Her pale skin was so stunning amongst all the bronze that I almost had a heart attack when I noticed her. It was about the strongest innate urge to seize a woman that I’ve ever experienced in my life.

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    • on May 27, 2015 at 4:38 am drunicusrex

      Lighter colored hair and eyes, otherwise Han Chinese or Asherkenadze Jews. Those latter two groups have the highest IQs, or at the very least birth men with high IQs.
      It isn’t so much if she’s smart but whether or not her male relatives are. If there are engineers, physicians, professors, or advanced STEM workers in her family, they’ll likely be men.
      And she’ll then also be less likely to be fat, low class, irresponsible, or lazy. Less dysfunction, more agreeable, good table manners, wont dress like a slob, etc.
      This is why upper middle class women are far more attractive than their sloppy, low brow sisters. They are raised to be more conscientious, and therefore tend to avoid those piggish traits that ruin their beauty.

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      • on May 27, 2015 at 6:58 am Signor Farfalla

        You’ve never visited China have you? The Han IQ canard is laughable to anyone who has spent time in China or Korea. Just watch the goings on at any given intersection (from a distance, mind you)

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  25. on May 26, 2015 at 2:03 pm Jack

    Of the many criteria I have for a potential long term partner, intelligence IS on that list. One of the reasons I divorced my exwife was because I couldn’t ever get her interested in any of the intellectual pursuits that I was passionate about; nor did she have any of her own.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 2:31 pm Sentient

      What did she look like Jack?

      Young guys – you can always find people to have stimulating conversations with, men and women (some)… coming home to a 9 is still coming home to a 9 though.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 9:34 pm Sentient

        I have a friend who says “my tastes are quite simple… I’m easily satisfied with the best”…

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 11:56 pm Benson

        Young guys – you can always find people to have stimulating conversations with, men and women (some)… coming home to a 9 is still coming home to a 9 though.

        Definitely. But there’s something to be said for bonding with a girl over a shared interest, for example. It’s no substitute for maintaining the proper dynamic in a relationship, but it does add a certain depth, and it opens up some game possibilities, too.

        I was teaching my ex-gf a foreign language, so I would send her flirty texts and teach her how to say little phrases like, “Would you like to kiss me?” Stupid shit, but she ate it up and it was a hobby I was interested in anyway.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 3:22 pm Greg Eliot

      One of the reasons I divorced my exwife was because I couldn’t ever get her interested in any of the intellectual pursuits that I was passionate about; nor did she have any of her own.

      Her job was to be fruitful and provide you with what would have been a lapful of bawling sons… with brains… who could have shared your much-touted intellectual pursuits and given you comfort in your golden years.

      You fairy.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 3:40 pm Arbiter

        Don’t go tradcon now, Greg. So he should have stayed with a wife he couldn’t talk to because Ideology? This sounds like when people in forums deplore those who can afford vacations, because you mustn’t spend the money on anything but the Cause. Of course, if those forum fixtures could go on vacations, they would.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 3:48 pm Greg Eliot

        We were put on this ball of mud for weightier things than driving BMWs and taking two vacations a year.

        Of course, my tastes were always far simpler. 😉

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 5:49 pm fredmertz

        LOL! He got the “fairy “!

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 4:20 pm Glengarry

      Regardless of whether she’s smart she’s still a woman and so will probably have different interests. A regular girl might furthermore be ideal to bring up large numbers of kids to the age of 6 or so without rolling her eyes at the job. You will probably do better to have friends who enjoy coming together and discussing your common hobby, whether it’s brewing beer or Wittgenstein.

      Related: This “she’s my best friend” business is a pretty pernicious meme.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 7:01 pm CuiPertinebit

      Maybe I’m odd; I’d prefer to get intellectual stimulation and shared enthusiasm in projects from my friends. From my wife, I would want: a cozy home, well-adjusted children, devotion to my happiness, sex and romantic affection. I don’t need her to care about my intellectual interests and pursuits, and would probably prefer it if she didn’t intrude upon them… unless she was a genuinely bright bulb, in which case I would be glad to involve her from time to time, but would still expect her to know when to make herself scarce and let me and my pals do the guy thing.

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  26. on May 26, 2015 at 2:18 pm mendozatorres

    Speaking of being smart, tis a good chuckle: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/new-yorker-cartoons-race-gender?utm_content=bufferf94d0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

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  27. on May 26, 2015 at 2:29 pm Sentient

    Ask any woman what she would rather have… a perfect SAT score or a perfect body? Do you think the millions of pages of Self, Glamour, Cosmo et al shed any light on the answer?

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 8:19 pm Anonymous

      Predictably, she’d say both – and then, because you’d asked the question – she’d say ‘What’s wrong with my body?” and “How about that time you did such and such stupid thing?” – Then she’d go into a pout and you wouldn’t get laid that night – so instead you’d go rub one out in the bathroom over Cosmo.

      Only ask ‘winning’ questions of women.

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 8:35 pm Sentient

        ahhh… the KJ… welcome. Welcome.

        The tell is “you’d go rub one out in the bathroom over Cosmo.”

        errrmmm… you do know there is porn on the internet don’t you? Never mind. That question is rhetorical, as was mine initially.

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    • on May 27, 2015 at 3:16 am Mike

      I’d rather have someone intelligent and less vain personally but I acknowledge that I may be in the minority.

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  28. on May 26, 2015 at 2:43 pm Do Men Desire Smart Women? Actually, No | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  29. on May 26, 2015 at 3:31 pm Fowler

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/26/technology/rhode-island-tinder-stds/index.html

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 4:01 pm mendozatorres

      This was in the money section and not health? HAHA!

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      • on May 26, 2015 at 4:18 pm Fowler

        well it’s going to cost us. ‘us’ being the taxpayers paying for HIV tests and retrovirals for the leeches.

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  30. on May 26, 2015 at 3:56 pm Arbiter

    All right, let’s take apart the Telegraph article:

    1. Journalist Sarah Knapton has talked to a Professor David Bainbridge. So you would expect some strong scientific research to back up his claim, right? No. “Surveys have shown time and time again that this is the first thing that men look for.” You don’t even get to see the surveys. Nor do you get any mention of the fact that what people say in a survey doesn’t mean it’s true, especially not in a leftist climate that pressures them to ignore nature.

    2. Bainbridge sets up a strawman to attack: it’s “large breasts and long legs” vs. intelligence. This is even in the title. He knocks large knockers by saying it’s not big breasts men want but symmetrical breasts, and he knocks long legs by saying it is straight legs men want, not long ones.

    Ergo, men value intelligence instead of looks! Right? If you ignore the little fact that he just mentioned physical traits that men desire: symmetrical breasts and legs that are not crooked.

    Far down in the article we also get this: “However men do like women to be curvaceous with voluptuous thighs and bottoms, and a waist that is much slimmer than their hips..” So the “men really look for intelligence, not beauty” theme that the article starts with is nonsense, even by the writer’s own admission. But this comes far down in the story.

    3. The real “proof” to grab people’s attention is George Clooney. The article begins with a picture of him and Lebanese wifey Amal Alamuddin. Sarah Knapton writes under the picture: “Despite dating a string of attractive women George Clooney settled down with human rights barrister Amal Alamuddin”. They are mentioned again farther down in the article, and Alamuddin’s picture appears again.

    No longer do you need to study thousands of people, you only need to look at one person’s choice. If you are the science editor at The Telegraph.

    But not even this one example proves anything: Alamuddin doesn’t look bad for her age. She also no doubt shares Clooney’s socialist preferences, and his anti-White ideology served well by marrying a non-White. So looks, check, and compatible personalities, check. Furthermore, that she is a “human rights barrister” doesn’t mean she would be brimming with intelligence for Clooney to lust for. Probably she just has enough intelligence to be close to him on the scale.

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  31. on May 26, 2015 at 4:25 pm gunslingergregi

    I’ll just reprint a Telegraph commenter’s witty response on the topic.

    awesome research – it validates the view that porn has no future on the internet
    ”””””’

    rofl quit watching porn and chicks in movies and get a real woman you fuck that you can worhip the beauty of

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  32. on May 26, 2015 at 4:29 pm gunslingergregi

    4 days and a wakeup and i can tell my chick to assume the position
    she bends over and gives me the money shot and its fucking perfect
    poety

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 5:33 pm gunslingergregi

      she chirped me on phone my blood pumpin excited he he he

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  33. on May 26, 2015 at 6:07 pm Remnant

    This is also looking like a textbook example of Steve Sailer’s First Law of Female Journalism.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 7:34 pm Arbiter

      Which is: “The most heartfelt articles by female journalists tend to be demands that social values be overturned in order that, Come the Revolution, the journalist herself will be considered hotter-looking.”

      Example by Sailer: http://isteve.blogspot.se/2009/07/sailers-law-of-female-journalism.html

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  34. on May 26, 2015 at 6:41 pm gunslingergregi

    im watching the after effects of two really smart on books woman its all bad

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 6:56 pm gunslingergregi

      neither having kids so it dont matter i guess

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 7:08 pm gunslingergregi

      post divorce i might the only one out of the kids to have kids
      and if i dont there wont be any

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  35. on May 26, 2015 at 7:14 pm Joshua Sinistar

    How much do you want to bet this is just something to smooth over that unpleasant revelation by that Oriental Scientist that black wimmens be unattractive? But, but, Loqueesha, its not because you fat and ugly its that you can’t beez reading the books.
    I imagine this will fly about as well as the other 99 lead balloons they’ll release for Hillary’s Big Adventure. Are you ready for Hillary? I’m already cleaning my shotgun…

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  36. on May 26, 2015 at 7:15 pm gunslingergregi

    Is it possible to make a liberal white so guilty about her whiteness she self-culls? Because that’s an avenue worth considering.””””’

    yea i think it is posible
    or ya just dont want to have your line continue in this world and do them the favor of not going through the bullshit

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  37. on May 26, 2015 at 8:47 pm Rum

    Middle aged female MDs shave their pussies to elementary-school-girl specifications before every “date.”
    Discuss…

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 9:31 pm Sentient

      LOL. Wry comment rum… No cat!

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  38. on May 26, 2015 at 10:40 pm Rum

    It is possible, most of the time, to fore-see the time when you have to say hello to her cat, in order to stay on the poon-trail. . Unless, of course, she is already crazier than her mother.
    No one can really help you on a day like that.

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    • on May 26, 2015 at 11:22 pm gunslingergregi

      the cat my girl used to have is dead come on rum you slackin
      he he he

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  39. on May 27, 2015 at 3:20 am Mike

    Here’s the thing: women get overvalued because of their looks and that’s what enables them to act like retards their whole lives and never grow up. If men actually did ‘go against nature’ in this respect and start valuing intelligence in women more (intelligence as in actually being smart, not just wearing nerd glasses and being a leftist) it could actually improve the state of women. Just saying.

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    • on May 27, 2015 at 6:50 am popcorn out

      You say improve but by what metric? If men valued women’s intelligence over their looks then sure, they would probably get smarter. But they would stop working as hard to be attractive and would thus become worse looking on the whole. So instead of choosing from beautiful girls with average intelligence you’re left with smart, ugly women.

      That would be a change for the worse.

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      • on May 27, 2015 at 7:05 am Signor Farfalla

        @popcorn out

        “But they would stop working as hard to be attractive”

        Yeah, man. That’s what they do, right? Outright HERDS of women running, lifting and eating right. You can’t move for them. They are EVERYWHERE, working hard to be attractive.

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      • on May 27, 2015 at 7:54 am Sentient

        “instead of choosing from beautiful girls with average intelligence you’re left with smart, ugly women.”

        That place is called San Francisco…

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      • on May 27, 2015 at 9:58 am popcorn out

        “Yeah, man. That’s what they do, right? Outright HERDS of women running, lifting and eating right. You can’t move for them. They are EVERYWHERE, working hard to be attractive.”

        Right yeah because what I said was that all women are visible 10s… If you’re playing the game your eyes are on the top 20%.

        The top 20% of women at the moment comprises 8s and 9s who on some level know they hit the genetic jackpot and so live off salad leaves and make a nominal effort to hit a treadmill twice a week in an effort to maintain.

        Rather that than choose from a bunch of fugly geniuses. I can’t get it up for E=MC^2.

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  40. on May 27, 2015 at 4:16 am Ricardo

    Amal Alamuddin looks like bin laden without the beard..

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    • on May 27, 2015 at 7:00 am Signor Farfalla

      Plus I’ve heard rumors that Mr. Clooney has no lead in his pencil. So he finds a political partner to marry.

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  41. on May 27, 2015 at 9:31 am HowPredictable

    I’m a woman, and I take no issue with the conclusion so succinctly summarized in the title of the post. Facts are facts.. Men like what they like. I’m a realist.

    But I would like some serious suggestions from the men on the forum as to how an intelligent woman can work within this reality and still attract quality men. I have many intelligent alpha-type female friends / colleagues in this category (myself included, though I have a great boyfriend and have never had a problem attracting good men and LTRs in the past. So I’m not writing out of frustration / desperation. Just curiosity)

    What can a super-smart woman do, to counteract the lack of attraction men feel for women smarter than themselves?

    I tell my single female friends that they need to focus first on their appearance: I have always kept super-fit, I workout regularly, I dress very femininely (literally, I ONLY wear dresses and make sure they flatter my figure), I always wear tasteful makeup. So many of them don’t do ANY of this…. and then — apparently perplexed — complain that they can’t attract men. (And they not-so-secretly resent my success with men, BTW).

    I also tell them not to be ball-busters. Personally, I never throw my intellect in my boyfriend’s face: he knows I’m highly intelligent, is proud of my achievements, but I avoid having huge intellectual discussions with him in case he feels like he’s “punching above his weight-class”. I try to make sure our time together is fun, light, and he feels like a competent man in the company of a soft, feminine woman. (If I want intellectually-challenging debates, I figure I can always have them with work colleagues).

    But my female friends balk at this, since they think I’m telling them to “dumb it down”. and not be “real” or “true to themselves”.

    How can I help them see what works? (And — before anyone comments — they are not declared feminists, they were just raised in modern North American society like most of us here….)

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    • on May 27, 2015 at 3:27 pm popcorn out

      You know a humblebrag requires at least a feigned attempt at modesty?

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      • on May 27, 2015 at 8:20 pm HowPredictable

        So not my style, popcorn out. I told you, I have (female) alpha traits myself.

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      • on May 27, 2015 at 10:38 pm SoPredictable

        Besides, @popcorn out, feigned modesty (like feigned Game perhaps) is reserved for the real world, and most frequently for the benefit of my lovely boyfriend.

        Isn’t this anonymous forum, buzzing with anonymous posters, a place where I can let my (long, brunette) hair down? 😉

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    • on May 27, 2015 at 3:45 pm mendozatorres

      If they can’t pick up tips simply from witnessing your life, they won’t change.

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    • on May 27, 2015 at 4:00 pm B

      At the engineering school I went to there was an old saying, ‘where the men are men and the women are too’. That’s the problem. Just as you say. Intelligent women who stop being women and start being men in one or more ways then they wonder why men aren’t attracted to them.

      There’s no correcting them because their illusions are firmly stuck that they shouldn’t have to be women to attract men, just merely female. Worse is fields where it’s 10 to 1 male or even more lopsided. Then just being female can actually work for a few years on campus which just reinforces the notions.

      Of course I tend to wonder what passes for intelligence among women rating themselves. Women far more than men seem to be into being institutionally intelligent. Good at school. lots of degrees. Not much self-learning and learning by doing in those fields. The hands on, hands dirty part, and the part that you should have figured out on your own as a kid was lacking amongst the small number of women in my degree program, those I taught, and those I’ve encountered in my career. I can think of only one woman who had any knack at all I’ve encountered in my career. Even her I had to teach basic skills I learned as a child like soldering.

      From here I get into the schools, war on boys, the loss of good jobs for men in this country and so on… which really is getting far afield. The thing is though I think what women consider intelligent and how they approach showing it is really considered bad manners amongst men. Book smart alone just doesn’t cut it. From a woman it’s not tolerable and certainly won’t generate attraction.

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      • on May 27, 2015 at 8:55 pm HowPredictable

        @B
        Thanks for the reply; you make some good points. And I think we are agreed that smart women need to dial up their femininity.

        But I guess my direct question is this: If — as the CH article suggests — the ideal IQ disparity is plus/minus 15 points for a man to be in his “comfort zone”, where does that leave the super-intelligent women? Are they doomed to have no partners/relationships, no matter how attractive/feminine they may be?

        (My assumption is that there are statistically few people (male or female) in a very high IQ range; of the men, a good subset of those are probably alpha with their pick of women of all ages/IQs, etc.)

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    • on May 27, 2015 at 4:04 pm Greg Eliot

      What you wearing now, toots?

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      • on May 27, 2015 at 8:30 pm HowPredictable

        Sweaty workout clothes, since I just came from a vigorous workout at the gym. But shortly, it will be nothing but the bubbles in my hot bath.

        Wish you were here. 🙂

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    • on May 28, 2015 at 7:23 am Signor Farfalla

      Learn the “Low Bar Back Squat” by Rippetoe on Youtube. (It’s weightlifting, not something lewd)

      Also learn “The Standing Press” (same)

      So here’s how a woman becomes attractive to a man and it really is this simple;

      1. Squat
      2. Press
      3. Hike occasionally if possible
      4. Keep sugar intake very, very low if not eliminated.
      5. Drink lightly only on Friday and Saturday evening if you must drink at all.

      If you want a more complex one then here;

      6. Understand that even if you’re a 9 in America, you’re about a 6 or 7 internationally. Those dorks at the bar that you reject constantly, even if they are 5’s in America, are 9’s internationally. So, quietly APPRECIATE that and act accordingly grateful. Thong and heels around the house at all times, iotw because he is better than you and you are VERY lucky. Don’t tell your next boyfriend but privately understand that you, as an American woman, are TOTALLY OUTCLASSED by any given American dork you see today if you were assessing things on an international scale. If you don’t believe that than HA HA. Go stand next to a Venezuelan, Go try to pull some alpha stud from a club in Brazil. Go to a nightclub/pool party in China, Walk the streets of Bangkok in the summertime, Hang out at a lake party in Poland. International girls have American girls completely smoked. And don’t try to overrule me on that because it’s something that men decide, not you. The average third worlder has upper tier American women beat hands down. We decide that, so don’t even rebut. Ethiopian girls are hotter than the average American 160 pounder.

      or

      JUST SQUAT AND STOP EATING CANDY AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT US.

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  42. on May 27, 2015 at 2:14 pm turdtropolis

    Ah come on, men obviously need smart women to shame them http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-32789580 it’s a disgrace that women aren’t diversifying meeting rooms! Once this is dealt with and men are thoroughly shamed, we can start getting diversified photos of women enriching building sites, and bringing their multi-tasking superior xx chromosomes to back-breaking work

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  43. on May 27, 2015 at 5:52 pm Rus

    It’s obvious that men prefer women who allows them to score easily… Researchers should examine the psychology or mentality of women with more than 4 tattoos or the women who get tattoos after the age of 40 or 50.

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