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Women And Handbags

May 31, 2015 by CH

Steve Sailer contemplates the riddle of women and their whoring for handbag status. It’s a worthy topic, because handbags appear to confer no sexual market advantage to women, and yet women spend inordinate time and money acquiring the latest trendy makeup container. “Hey, sexy mama, I noticed your Birkin handbag, and it is turning me on!”… said no straight man ever.

“But, CH…” you ask, “if, as you claim, the sexual market is the one market to rule them all, how do you explain women and handbags?”

Easy there, brosephus. I think the best explanation is the one Steve gave: Women use handbags as a signal they can carry with them everywhere to advertise the alpha male-ness of their husbands/lovers, and the women’s ability to secure commitment from their alpha men. Since most people will presume the burn money for the handbag came from a soulmate wealthy male donor, the pricey handbag serves as a relatively inoffensive proxy for a woman’s own SMV.

Why the connection between alpha males and HSMV women? Because we subconsciously know in our ape-shaped brains that the more attractive a woman, the better able she will be to land herself a high status man who, himself, will have the options open to him to capture the interest of beautiful women.

Why doesn’t the kept woman just flaunt her pretty face and sexy body to send the same signal more directly? Because in the world of alpha males with sexual market options and the women who circle them like hawks, that is a little too threatening to other HSMV women in her social milieu. She risks total social ostracism from other women if she sluts it up beyond the acceptable norm for her group.

I have another theory about women and handbags that parsimoniously bridges their behavior to the primary demands of the sexual market: Handbags are a sort of runaway sexual selection module gone haywire, similar to brawn on men, a secondary sexual display in men that is still attractive to Western women despite the environmental conditions having radically changed so that male muscularity is no longer needed for survival. But some men take it too far, bulking up in the gym well beyond the point of usefulness, and most women don’t have any special preference for men with bloated roid muscles.

The handbag, under the female inverse of this theory, is just an extension of a sexy, hip-hugging cocktail dress and beautifying makeup. The former do increase a woman’s sexual appeal to men, and women, knowing this on a deep limbic level, have evolved to maximize their efforts at improving their appearance. This evolution for female self-beautification has “spun out of orbit”, resulting in the modern predilection for collecting and showcasing feminine accessories like handbags, despite male indifference to them.

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Philomathean adds some heft to the sexual market primacy theory of female handbag collection,

Handbagism is a signal of aggression females employ to communicate the accumulation of tangible and intangible resources.

This is a good point. Women can be aggressive with one another, but their particular brand of aggression doesn’t make headlines or rouse moral umbrage because it isn’t delivered through fists and projectile weapons. “Handbagism” is aggressive signaling to other women who could be potential poachers of husbands and boyfriends. An expensive handbag is one way a woman intimidates her competition from entering the arena. It says, “Hey, my man is fully committed to me, and deeply in love with me, as you can see by all the stuff he lavishes me with, so you’d be wasting your time trying to seduce him away from me.”

Remember, sexual infidelity is a man’s worst fear, while love and resource infidelity are a woman’s worst fear.

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  1. on May 31, 2015 at 2:23 pm Canadian Friend

    It is kind of the same reason why women demand from their man a big expensive diamond ring and why they love so much to be seen wearing it.

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 2:37 pm 88

      exactly. women know that most men will sleep with anyone but they only provide for the people they care about. that’s how men show love and commitment.

      it’s not so much that women are simply materialistic by nature as many people believe, it’s that in a woman’s mind, these material things are proof of their man’s love and investment in them. of course they want to show the world how much their man loves them. a woman’s relationship is the most important thing to her whether she wants to admit it or not.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 2:52 pm Canadian Friend

        Having a man buy her expensive stuff says she is ( or might be ) a high value woman, even if she is not that good looking, in fact especially if she is not that good looking, if a man is buying her all those expensive things she feels she is high value and wants other people to see it that way.

        Women are very jealous of other women, far more than men are of other men, and expensive accessories help them feel like they are higher in the hierarchy.

        They wear those things like a trophy.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 3:34 pm Anonymous

        “women know that most men will sleep with anyone but they only provide for the people they care about. that’s how men show love and commitment.”

        Interesting point, especially as providing alone (without alpha status) merely invites despisal and exploitation.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 6:26 am Greg Eliot

        Interesting point, especially as providing alone (without alpha status) merely invites despisal and exploitation.

        Thank you.

        Ask any husband whether or not his having provided well for the family carries any significant vag cache in the wife’s mind.

        Women aren’t known for a sense of gratitude and feelings of obligation.

        This is the area where most men wake up one day after a decade or two of miarriage and say “WTF?” when they learn that their providing, which in their mind showed love, was not considered all that special… merely part of “your job”.

        The extra barb in the “WTF” factor is men can certainly live with the idea of providing being their job… but then get the kick in the teeth that the “nurturing” part of the woman’s job only extends to the children.

        This is the root of the empty-nester not haaaaaaapy phenomenon so prevalent these days.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 9:25 am sideshow blob

        “expensive accessories help them feel like they are higher in the hierarchy.”

        this is a recent thing that can be traced to the show “horseface (secs) in the city” according to several recent books on fashion business specifically on the last wave of ipo activity of companies like kors etc.

        before the bigger well known producers of luxury handbags and shoes found the synergy with horseface promoting them on that show to midwestern fatties, the market was small and no one really cared about the label of your shoes and bag outside of a few small pockets like nyc, london, paris.

        that show coincided with the realization that accessories, bags and shoes were the thing for stores to push in the constant search for growth as they were very high margin, the production lines could be stopped and redesigned with very little lead time (as short as a week in some cases whereas clothing lines are a minimum of 4 months and usually more like a year) if certain products were not selling, and the magical thing about bags and shoes is that they always fit no matter how fat a girl has gotten or will get, unlike clothes which highlight a woman’s lack of self discipline. women love shopping but usually hate trying on clothes hence the rise of online clothing shopping with free returns. it’s much easier to pick up a bag, hold it and take it home. they get the rush with the minimum amount of effort.

        ““Handbagism” is aggressive signaling to other women who could be potential poachers of husbands and boyfriends. ”

        disagree. it has nothing to do with alpha-having/possible poaching status as most of these women are single and fat and waste their own corporate drone money on this garbage to relieve their depression caused by trudging through their meaningless pill-fueled lives. shopping is all they have and marketing has sold them on accessories as a way to be glamorous like horseface without having to do any real work on themselves.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 10:56 am Anonymous

        Ugh … It’s so true.

        There was a recent ‘Bring your Child to Work Day” – and to entertain the little ones they had a clown that wore a top hat with money poking out from under the brim. They posted a bulletin with a picture of this clown passing out ‘Shrute Bucks’ – and I pinned it to my office wall – to demoralise myself.

        Because no matter how good I might feel about my accomplishments and providing for my family – I must remind myself that to them, I’m just another clown with a hat full of money.

        I see that clowns face in every handbag, every set of heels, every Range Rover… And it makes me want to cry.

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  2. on May 31, 2015 at 2:23 pm Philomathean

    An extreme intellectualization of consumerism by Jean Baudrillard:

    http://cnqzu.com/library/Economics/marxian%20economics/Baudrillard,%20Jean-The%20Consumer%20Society.Myths%20and%20Structures.pdf

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  3. on May 31, 2015 at 2:24 pm herb

    “Hey, sexy mama, I noticed your Birkin handbag, and it is turning me on!”… said no straight man ever.
    ———————-

    Amen! It’s a status symbol to the rest of the harpies that they can yap about.

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 3:34 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

      Subliminal indoctrination of MGTOW. I have no interest in men who are right for the wrong reasons. Real life is not true or false; not A, B, C, or D; not Democrat or Republican. Stop that shit. That which does not kill patriarchy makes it stronger, by killing the weak ones, so let it happen. Stop trying to save EVERYONE!, whoever is using subliminal means.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 4:10 pm herbling

        Relax Doug. I am and was just like the trucker described… Back to our regular scheduled programing….Can you just smell the perfume an heat from stereo lady of the song of the summer?

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  4. on May 31, 2015 at 2:30 pm Women And Handbags | Neoreactive

    […] By CH […]

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  5. on May 31, 2015 at 2:30 pm Philomathean

    Handbagism is a signal of aggression females employ to communicate the accumulation of tangible and intangible resources.

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 5:38 pm James Blonde

      boom

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  6. on May 31, 2015 at 2:43 pm tspark156

    The female brain on spotting the expensive handbag carried by another woman extrapolates that the rich guy that bought it for her probably drives a Ferrari. A male brain on spotting the guy driving the Ferrari extrapolates to “I bet that jammy rich bastard gets loads of pussy form driving that car”. The brain of the rich guy that bought the handbag for the girl and drives the Ferrari thinks ” which one shall I fuck between now and meeting handbag girl later?”

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 5:15 pm 88

      yeah but what men think about other men driving ferraris is just projection. other than your average gold digger, most women see men with ferraris as a stereotype that is too try hard to take seriously.

      being flashy and overt about how much money you make does not make you appear as having high value/high status. it just makes you look like someone who is trying to impress other people.

      same as the muscle head look that was mentioned upthread. sure, you’ll attract plenty of low class people who want to hone in on what you’ve got but that isn’t the same as earning respect, admiration, and desire from QUALITY people. the only way to do that is to earn valuable things through hard work and then be wise and modest about your purchases. own nice things of course. but do it in an understated, respectable way.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 5:50 pm tspark156

        Driving a Ferrari or any other super car will raise the quality of the pussy you attract by at least one point. If all you are aiming for is to bang the highest quality pussy your sexual market value will allow, then what anyone else thinks of your method of realising your full market value would be an irrelevance.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 6:03 pm 88

        no doubt, a ferrari will get you attention but i think you’ll find that the highest quality girls are looking at the men driving audis, bmws, mercedes’, etc. not the men driving ferraris.

        like i said before, ferraris come off to most people as try hard and tacky. they also make a man appear reckless and a little unstable. you will get attention driving one but you do have to consider what kind of girls are attracted to that kind of thing. they aren’t going to be the highest quality. suppose it just depends on the type of girls you’re going for.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 6:32 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

        ^ Yes, what 88 just said. There’s always an element of ridicule directed at men who drive Ferraris, Maseratis, and Lambos. Around here, they tend to be tacky Persians and Jews with hairpieces and gold jewellery.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 9:52 am tspark156

      All no doubt true, but I bet all those “try hard, hairpiece wearing”men are all fucking pussy of a quality above what their normal sexual market value would attract without that flashy motor.

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  7. on May 31, 2015 at 2:45 pm Eeyore

    The overlap between designer handbags and designer vaginas is probably substantial.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 6:29 am Greg Eliot

      Designer Vagina… great name for a girly punk band.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 9:54 am mendozatorres

        Great name for a girly cunt band. FIFY.

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  8. on May 31, 2015 at 3:06 pm Ryan

    So a propos: https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5118487/il_fullxfull.5734901.jpg

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  9. on May 31, 2015 at 3:10 pm Donohoe

    So many females in competition with each other as well. Status-whoring to have the best Vuitton handbag possible, is an ego-booster, and makes them feel similar to Mrs Vuitton etc

    We already know girls are competitive as fuck for a man’s love – would be interesting to see the study between entitled girls with expensive handbags and their level of jealousy when a competing female comes across the alpha daddy

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  10. on May 31, 2015 at 3:22 pm Sean Fielding

    I agree that your explanation and Steve’s have value, but I think you’re both overestimating the explanatory power of sex. It’s definitely the heart of evolutionary psychology, but its influence can be subtle and far-reaching.

    A very strong motivator for all humans is to feel themselves better than other humans: whether sexier, stronger, smarter, richer or more powerful. So easily displayed symbols of wealth and power like expensive handbags are valuable in their own right.

    Even this explanation has ties to sex: if ‘the sexual market is the most important one you’ll ever compete in’ (I agree), then any edge a young woman can have such as a symbol of wealth, may be useful. Much more importantly, it will help compensate for aging, insofar as compensation is possible, for women, including well-married women nearing or past The Wall. So a young hottie who pulled an alpha husband when she was 24 will want those handbags to keep her status up at parties when she’s 44.

    Last, even the idea behind my contribution has its cartoonish, throwback aspect. A trait, such as displaying wealth through handbags, will disappear quickly in a world that continues like ours, in which fertility is inversely correlated with wealth. What most people don’t understand is how new that correlation is. Most of the time in human history, fertility is positively correlated with wealth. Status displays are now a cartoonish throwback to those times, just as ‘roid-man is a throwback to the days when Big Hunter, Conventional Alpha, and Sexual Alpha were all three the same man.

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  11. on May 31, 2015 at 3:28 pm Jo

    You’d be surprised by hot women who desire roided guys (but not professional bodybuilder big or even amateur “roid free” bb’s.

    Hot women into the fitness lifestyle, and especially strippers (particularly the hottest feminine ones) will be attracted to buff roided guys but your personality (game) has to be congruent with your look,

    Also, hot women from working class and lower class economic status groups are attracted to men like this.

    Think chicks from Jersey Shore.

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 4:30 pm 88

      “hot women from working class and lower class economic status groups are attracted to men like this. Think chicks from Jersey Shore.”

      not surprising at all actually

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 4:47 pm corvinus

      Simple explanation: Dumb lunks need brawn to compete in their IQ stratum.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 10:27 pm 88

        “Simple explanation: Dumb lunks need brawn to compete in their IQ stratum”

        yep. because the lower the IQ, the more important physical strength is going to be. not smart enough to be an engineer but if you’re in shape enough, you can always get a job doing some kind of manual labor. the best workers (most in shape) will do better, get paid more, etc. than those who aren’t in shape and can’t get the job done.

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  12. on May 31, 2015 at 3:32 pm Anonymous

    This is the sort of lunacy that always sprouts up in a society’s terminal stages, like the fevered hallucinations of the dying.

    In the last days of Imperial Russia, instead of handbags it was bragging about having slept with the mad monk Rasputin. Even the husbands saw this as a source of pride.

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 3:38 pm Anonymous

      Even better metaphor, a poisonous mushroom sprouting from a heap of rancid dogshit.

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  13. on May 31, 2015 at 3:36 pm Sean Fielding

    It’s interesting how much understated jealousy there is in the comments on this item at Sailer’s blog.

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  14. on May 31, 2015 at 3:47 pm Sean Fielding

    An intriguing item in Sailer’s post was the description of sex segregation at upper class NYC supper parties. That and anecdotal evidence of increasing upper class fertility in NYC are, if true, fascinating trends, because they signal that some segment of the upper class may be more in touch with nature and tradition than the next three classes down.

    ‘Course if it’s all Eskimo couples, or Eskimo/shiksa couples, the significance is less promising for Aryans.

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 3:57 pm Schlomo

      FWIW, I was in NYC today. Some Israeli parade/shitfest. Plenty of young yids running about. Not too many Orthodox either.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 6:34 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

        Israel Day.

        Were are ISIS when you need them…?

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 6:36 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

        *where

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 7:32 pm corvinus

        Actually, ISIS hasn’t been bothering Izreel at all.

        Hmm…

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 8:14 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

        Very curious indeed.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 10:22 pm Anonymous

        Were you at the Hitler youth rally?

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 6:32 am Greg Eliot

        Israel Day? Hell, EVERY day is Israel Day, here in ‘Murrka! 😉

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 3:58 pm Schlomo

      FWIW, I was in NYC today. Some Israeli parade/shit fest. Plenty of young yids running about. Not too many Orthodox either.

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  15. on May 31, 2015 at 4:03 pm Cream

    The purse for women is an intrasexual signal, not to men, but to the competition (other women). It’s a high status signal to attempt to assert female dominance over lower stratified women, which with a bit of luck will instinctively step back from a fight for high status men with the holder of the handbag.

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  16. on May 31, 2015 at 4:21 pm Dragon's Fang Prognostic

    Donna Zoarzin brought matches to a tea party.

    Lou-Bit Twine showed up with fireworks.

    Bang bang.

    All anyone heard was Beethoven.

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  17. on May 31, 2015 at 4:39 pm marcodsman

    Off topic, I know, but I think this is the place for this.

    Brazilian guy creates change.org petition to allow all white South Africans to return to Europe.

    At the moment there are 2,998 signatures needed to reach 35,000.

    https://www.change.org/p/european-commission-allow-all-white-south-africans-the-right-to-return-to-europe

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 4:45 pm Manaus

      A Brazilian woman:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xuxa

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 4:52 pm corvinus

        Who went with a niqqer for several years and procreated with an Eskimo. Bleah.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 4:55 pm corvinus

        And seems to prefer having short hair.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 5:45 pm Greg Eliot

        She ain’t no “Brazillian”… she’s obviously of Germanic stock… a person whose parents and/or grandparents just happened to reside in South America and changed names somewhere along the way to sound more Spanish (or Portuguese, whatever). I understand there were quite a few German communities on the continent, all the way back to the 19th century.

        God, I used to love watching her with my kids… she was always so “up” and brightly angelic on that children’s show she used to have.

        Didn’t know anything about her private life, the show was Aryan all the way, including the cadettes she had surrounding her in her dance and musical numbers.

        I think I heard, way back when, that she was linked with JFK, jr. for awhile.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 10:43 pm Sean Fielding

        Greg – Germanic she is: Langobard

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xuxa#Birth_and_family

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 12:14 pm Nobilitatis

      Langobards are Italians now. Lombards. Milano in the North or Salerno in the South. “Trentino” is South Tirol – as in Tirol of Austria. That is another tribe of Germans. Like the climber Reinhold Messner.

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  18. on May 31, 2015 at 4:44 pm corvinus

    Yeah, I suspect the handbag thing goes along with their ridiculous regard for shoes and jewelry: as a signal to other women of being able to land a provider.

    Problem is, especially if they’re hot, they prefer provider alpha, not provider beta, and betas of course don’t realize this.

    The fallacy that women dress for other women but not for men is in fact operable for shoes and handbags, since men don’t give a flying toss about either one, even though we do appreciate cocktail dresses.

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 5:00 pm 88

      “Problem is, especially if they’re hot, they prefer provider alpha, not provider beta, and betas of course don’t realize this.”

      right.

      alphas can afford to give gifts to their women and it’s actually beneficial for them to do so. when a girl perceives her love as a high status man who can get any woman he wants, she is going to need comfort in some form from time to time or she will be endlessly insecure and comfort testing. nice gifts do the job and they also provide some additional benefits. the girl will be showing them off to anyone who will listen. that turns off other potential male suitors and ups your value in the eyes of other women who are watching.

      beta males unfortunately will provide gifts without having already earned the alpha status they need to pull it off. same with most other things. everything is relative to how your woman perceives you.

      if she already thinks your an alpha superstar, kind little gestures, gifts, shows of vulnerability, etc. make you seem more human and lovable whereas if she already thinks of you as weak beta, the opposite is true. doing those things will make her think even less of you.

      key is to establish that you are enough of an alpha, high value man that you can afford to be generous and show your softer side once in awhile. that is what women want after all. the man who seems like a hard nut to crack. someone who is unattainable to most women but has a softer side that only she can reveal.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 7:12 pm turdtropolis

        What about the deltas, gammas and epsilons?

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 10:52 pm Sean Fielding

      Shoes are an invaluable guide to status and an indispensable part of being well-dressed for both sexes. Plus women’s shoes can be a huge turn-on – nothing like pumping her in panties and pumps. Ahhh…

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 12:14 pm Anonymous

        Ahhh yes, fucking pumps. The shoe of choice for millennial dick beaters and trash gash worldwide.

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  19. on May 31, 2015 at 4:58 pm Manaus

    “Who went with a niqqer for several years and procreated with an Eskimo. Bleah.”

    That’s a shame. I didn’t know. Then again Biden’s son is dead, so that’s good news.

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 5:37 pm The Spirit Within

      Yeah, it always warms the cockles of my heart when a person dies of terminal cancer.

      /eyeroll

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 5:53 pm Manaus

        Putin, ROFL.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 7:17 pm Dr. Fill

        I would have prefered if it had been Biden Sr. , but I’ll celebrate anything that will slow that dufus down.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 8:34 pm Captain Obvious

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 8:43 pm 88

        didn’t know there was more than one girl. thought that clip with the blonde girl was the only one.

        and you gotta consider that this is what he’s like on his best behavior. in the public eye, for everyone to see. he still can’t keep himself from running his hands through their hair and letting his hands linger way too long on their shoulders or whatever. these girls are what, middle school aged or something? disgusting perv.

        and what’s worse is that no one calls him out on it. it’s totally fine because he’s a powerful dem with friends in all the right places.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 9:11 pm Canadian Friend

        As much as I dislike Liberals/democrats and various leftists, and I love it when they are caught red handed, I have to say the fact the mother is right there about 10 inches away from the daughter makes me think nothing “creepy” happened.

        Biden is weird at times, that is true.

        He may have told the girl she was pretty or that she will grow up to be a beautiful woman which may be a bit weird, and she was uncomfortable because she does not seem to know him and he is too close for comfort, but with both parents inches away and cameras rolling, he could not do much that would really be creepy.

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 11:00 pm Sean Fielding

        It’s OK to hate one’s enemies. And their descendants.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 10:27 am 88

        i get what you’re saying Canadian Friend. i also doubt that anything super inappropriate happened while the parents were there.

        i just think the way he was behaving in the videos is creepy and inappropriate in and of itself. these aren’t his own daughters or granddaughters and he’s obviously not a close family friend who they are used to being around because the girls were clearly uncomfortable with him touching them.

        i just think he should know a little more about personal boundaries at his age and be able to abide by them. especially with regard to prepubescent girls.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 12:02 pm Benny Hill

        And if the cameras were not there?

        I’m sure he’d behave like a perfect gentleman.

        They’d be butt buddies for life. lol

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 9:03 pm wow

        Biden knows the power of leaving a lasting impression on a female. He is high class old school and up until most recent times unchallengeable. He has probably banged hordes of women.

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  20. on May 31, 2015 at 5:41 pm The Spirit Within

    Agreed on the handbags as sign of alpha provider at home. Bitter experience has taught me much about the ways of the materialist woman.

    But this handbag observation is proof that the sexual market is subject to the economic market. In the absence of alpha males, women’s lives are mostly an attempt to extract resources from men. I’m surprised that H hasn’t dug more explicitly into this.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 8:22 pm wow

      And for many women, that hand bag is all they have. Nothing else. A worthless car and a pile of late bills.

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  21. on May 31, 2015 at 5:57 pm walawala

    I used to give girls I was banging gifts….often it was sexy shoes or high heels because I’m so tall. They were more a gift for me for her to wear and the cost was usually minimal. Now I rarely give gifts unless they’re re-gifts—food or chocolates given as complimentary items at the hotels I stay at.

    But in my observation, regardless of the relationship status…girls rarely appreciate gifts of ANY kind. It’s like a real turn off. Maybe the free Toblerone re-gift is ok.

    I gave a girl I was banging the pyjamas you get in first class. Later in a fit of anger she cited this as me being “cheap”. Something I reframed reminding her of something she re-gifted me– a raffle prize from a company dinner but the thing escalated into drama I could have easily avoided by not giving anything.

    Now for me any gift giving is very rare.

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 8:36 pm Putin

      The more you give the more they resent you. Simple rule to remember. I know, trust me I know.

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 9:04 pm Putin

      Hey walawala, have you gone out with any women who are not crazy?

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 10:03 pm walawala

        @Putin…I think the question is: “Hey walawala…have you found any girls who are sane?” not yet

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      • on May 31, 2015 at 10:09 pm Putin

        “@Putin…I think the question is: “Hey walawala…have you found any girls who are sane?” not yet”

        Fair enough. I am starting to wonder if they are just unicorns. I have come to believe that a wife is ultimately the function of her husband. Just got to manage the crazy as you know.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 12:41 am walawala

        @Putin it’s a first-world problem. Just talking to a married buddy of mine. he laughed. He said “I’m married, I don’t get a chance to say “I think you better leave” and then bang someone else”.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 10:37 am StAugustine

        Heh – there’s a quotation I’ve always liked, something like: “A woman is in a constant state of hysteria, with brief periods of calm.”

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 11:09 am Canadian Friend

        “A woman is in a constant state of hysteria, with brief periods of calm.”

        Two thirds of women I dated were that way.

        Maybe there is a curse on me and I only attract shitty women…

        But then again…

        some of my acquaintances are pick up artists who have been with a few hundred women ( for the record; I am not a pick up artist, an occasional one night stand might be fun but I want more than that and I am getting old anyway ) and they agree that more than half of women are a bit hysterical a good deal of the time.

        kind of like 4 years old are…

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 5:00 am Glengarry

      As a rule of thumb, avoid giving gifts above the skittles level. They seldom or never appreciate it, and even worse, like in walawala’s case it can become the new baseline. (Or like the ritualized flushing of money known as the engagement ring. Whoever thought up it “should be” a certain number of months of salary was an evil genius.)

      “What have you done for me lately? GOD, you already gave me an apartment you idiot. I hate you.”

      At this point, consider that the problem isn’t your insufficient gifts, it’s you. So save the money to dig a pool instead or pay off your mortgage or whatever. Show your affection in other ways. Hey, she can come visit and swim in your luxurious new pool.

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  22. on May 31, 2015 at 5:59 pm directm

    Handbags are psychological proxies for their vagina’s…stay away from women whose handbags are large and green.

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 6:49 pm Phil A. O. Physh

      Ha ha ha! How do I up vote comments?

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  23. on May 31, 2015 at 6:01 pm Horse Latitudes

    “A composer is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians.”

    -Frank Zappa, December 4th or 5th 1993

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  24. on May 31, 2015 at 6:10 pm Women And Handbags | Reaction Times

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  25. on May 31, 2015 at 6:19 pm Keyser Soze

    I think this is overthink. When I was single and on the hunt, I always always always used the handbag/shoe opener on chicks because I had come to understand that they obsessed over these two details. Saying, “Nice shoes, what are they?” or “I like your handbag, who makes it?” lets the girl know you have broken the secret female code of accessories. It doesn’t matter what the answer to either question is, and you will get an answer, but you’re now in with a girl who thinks you “just get it.” You noticed her secret. She spent hours in shoe/handbag stores searching for the perfect one, spent dozens of minutes trying on her shoes, trying to pick the perfect pair for the outfit, and DAMN! a man actually noticed. Effort rewarded.

    [CH: so your theory is that handbags (and shoes) are like shit tests to filter for perceptive alpha males. this doesn’t contradict the points made in this post that the rhythms of the sexual market drive this particular female psychology.]

    When/if you get married, your wife is going to ask you about her shoes/handbag every single time you take her out (and, you won’t care, not that you ever cared, because, unless you were using this as a pickup line, you never noticed the shoes or handbag).

    This is not to say that ladies aren’t using these items as status symbols – I’m sure some are – but I don’t think it has to do with “I’m with a provider alpha” so much as “Look what I have.”

    [“look what i have” is the same as “look at the provider alpha i’ve snagged”. you’ve got to dig deeper for the motivating impulses of female behavior.]

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 12:19 am 88

      [“look what i have” is the same as “look at the provider alpha i’ve snagged”. you’ve got to dig deeper for the motivating impulses of female behavior.]

      thanks for that CH. i was trying to think of a way to express this same idea but couldn’t come up with the right words.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 8:59 am corvinus

        CH, I’ve noticed your comments are no longer in boldface, making them harder to notice.

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  26. on May 31, 2015 at 6:49 pm Anonymous

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-31/nsa-surveillance-lapse-midnight-although-extension-imminent-obamas-signtaure

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 8:32 pm Putin

      “Now I understand why The North Vietnamese released McCain. The GM of The “Hanoi Hilton” is probably laughing his ass off right now.”

      Fuck the real traitors, those of European descent.

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  27. on May 31, 2015 at 7:36 pm duderino

    Protip: If you see a woman with an expensive purse with MK written all over it, Run up to them and say “Where did you find a Mortal Kombat bag? ” They LOVE that.

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  28. on May 31, 2015 at 7:45 pm Prof. Woland

    Men are achievement oriented and women are status oriented which is why women are not interested so much in the power of money as they are the benefits of it. For men, simply having money even if it is never spent, is something that enhances their power and position withing the dominance hierarchy. This is why women hate cheap men. It is also why something ephemeral such as a purse (which will go out of style in a year) carries status. Not only is it useless now but in a year it won’t even be cool anymore.

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  29. on May 31, 2015 at 9:20 pm Anonymous

    THe quality of your social circle is the #1 determinant, by far, of the quality of girlfriends you will have.

    [CH: only for beta males with no game who must lean on matchmakers in social circles as a love crutch.]

    It’s not discussed enough on blogs like this.

    [everything is discussed on this blog, concern troll.]

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 11:06 pm Sean Fielding

      By quality of social circle, do you mean social class?

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 9:06 am corvinus

      It may help if you’re a member of Sigma Alpha Epsilon and get rapid access to sorority chicks via networking, but it’s not essential.

      It’s quite clear you’re not a sigma.

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  30. on May 31, 2015 at 9:35 pm Rum

    My woman does not carry a handbag. She is pretty small overall – no big folds anywhere to hide stuff; even so, she carries nothing at all. She needs even less.
    One the first and most insidious drivers of her (now improved) mental issues was the fact that she was, in fact, being looked at, constantly, by everyone in every store, or bus station, or shopping mall/jewelry store that she has ever drifted thru. (One time she was given 5 figure credit advance on a Salvador Dali print she liked) because, well, just because.
    See, her paranoic breaks and difficult episodes were not a sign of HER illness. Exactly/
    In other words, a 29 year old product of gods own special breeding program might just be hot enough to make everyone around her into bat-shit-crazy on their sanest days.

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    • on May 31, 2015 at 9:40 pm 88

      i’m missing something.

      according to you, she hotter than hot. cool. but what does that have to do with whether or not she carries a purse.

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  31. on May 31, 2015 at 9:52 pm Rum

    My words of wisdom undid her life-threatening schizophrenia. She is grateful for that and she does not need a silly purse.

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  32. on May 31, 2015 at 10:15 pm SC

    My understanding is that most low IQ prole women actually do like the roided muscles look.

    [CH: no they don’t. not the extreme roided up look. surveys consistently show women from all strata prefer lean and reasonably muscled men.]

    How do you explain young girls toting $$$$$ handbags when they’re only in their teens and their fathers bought them those bags?

    [Handbagism is mostly a 20s and 30s female phenomenon.]

    I remember when I first started going to prep school, half my female classmates had handbags bought by their fathers that cost in the high 3 digit or low 4 digit range. Even the middle school girls were flaunting the bags!

    [when a girl hits puberty do you think she is immune to the subconscious rumblings of her prime sexual market directive?]

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 9:01 am corvinus

      I remember when I first started going to prep school, half my female classmates had handbags bought by their fathers that cost in the high 3 digit or low 4 digit range.

      That brings up another possibility: that she’s flaunting having a rich father, in order to catch an ambitious alpha.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 10:01 am mendozatorres

        At that point, would she just want the alpha for status? I mean, she’s already got daddy’s $$$.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 10:06 am 88

        exactly.

        it’s most likely at a subconscious level but when a girl flaunts what her daddy provides, it’s definitely her way of showing the world that she is valuable in the eyes of a man of high value. of course she wants other high value men (potential suitors) to see this because she thinks it will raise her value in their eyes.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 11:16 am corvinus

        At that point, would she just want the alpha for status? I mean, she’s already got daddy’s $$$.

        If the alpha himself is rich, then yes.

        If he’s not, then I imagine primarily for sex, although being an alpha, he’d have potential of becoming rich and high-status in the future. Especially if he marries into a loaded family.

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  33. on May 31, 2015 at 10:35 pm Ooga Booga

    corvinus

    Actually, ISIS hasn’t been bothering Izreel at all.

    Hmm…
    ————————–

    They have a really nice fence.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 6:11 am Canadian Friend

      Maybe Isis is not bothering Israel because they know Israel would wage war in an unrestrained way, and they would be crushed by Israel…unlike the USA which keeps tying its own hand behind its back to make sure they can never win any wars ( Ever since Vietnam/Lindon Johnson which is when the USA became infected with leftism, the USA has not won in any conflict…that’s hardly a coincidence )

      The USA is the most powerful on the planet – true – but it has become a toothless almost harmless dog which feels so guilty for even existing that it is more bothered with including females, gays, non-whites and Muslims in the military than it is interested in winning wars.

      Anyone can slap around the USA now, there are almost no-consequences to doing that, especially now that there is a girlie anti-USA, anti-Capitalism, anti-white and very much pro-Islam President in office.

      PS: I am neither pro nor anti Israel. I simply look at the facts; Israel would wage even more “savage” wars – which is the ONLY way to win a war – if the USA was not constantly begging it or forcing it to wage more “politically correct” more “humane” wars. Hate them or love them Israel still has a self preservation instinct that is in healthy shape compared to that of the USA.

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  34. on May 31, 2015 at 10:48 pm Ang Aamer

    Are high status symbols girl on girl NEG defense?

    I once bought an expensive Coach bag for a girlfriend. She was hanging with a bunch of rich girls that talked about purses all the time. So we went to the Coach store and bought a 1k purse. It was nice, I noticed the detail and the quality… ok sure.

    Next girls night out she went out and… got completely destroyed by her “friends”. The tee-hee’d at her “starter handbag”. They explained how they knew it was at least genuine but just not in the “same class” as their Louis Vuitton bags.

    She came home early and moped about how they were not impressed with her handbag. The bag went out a few times on our dates as a thank you reminder. And in a couple of weeks she bought a used Louis Vuitton off an aunt. And that’s the bag she carried everywhere. And the 1k sat in the closet.

    For once in my life I did not get snarky about this kind of thing. I come from working class family. The ladies in my family would never have a 1k ANYTHING. But for some reason I realized that she was a victim of her environment just as much as me. She needed a minimally acceptable bag just to hang with her friends… much like I needed a fast car to hang with mine back in the day.

    Granted the relationship did not last long after the 1k but… I did get an insight that women can be far crueler to other women than they can be to men. I don’t think it’s a man resource display as much as an expensive handbag is the equivalent of a Rolex for a man. It’s just a status symbol that sometimes needs to be displayed.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 5:40 am Canadian Friend

      “…I did get an insight that women can be far crueler to other women than they can be to men…”

      Women are more cruel to both men and women than men are.

      This has been studied, but in this crazy age of feminism no one wants to hear the results; women wage psychological wars on other women or on men and this causes more damage than a fist fight or black eye.

      In high school girls will harrass another girl they don’t like until she becomes depressed, until she develops an eating disorder such as anorexia or becomes suicidal.

      Adult women say those experience have scarred them for life.

      Boys will usually settle things with a fist fight and then move on to something else.

      most adult men who were in fist fights are not psychologically damaged from having lost one or two fist fights when they were 15 years old.

      The damage psychological war causes can not be photographed and put on the cover page of a newspaper like the bruised face of battered woman, but the damage is deeper.

      That is a fact.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 6:52 am Regular John

        When I go home, I’ll occasionally run into guys I had fights with back in school and there is no animosity and occasionally even comraderie. You didn’t have to win, you just had to fight. Then again, I went to a mostly white school. When someone went down they might get punched a few times and that was it. We didn’t try to stomp their heads in.

        By contrast, at my high school reunion, talking to the women revealed they still held the same old grudges against the bitches who were mean to them in gym class.

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  35. on June 1, 2015 at 4:35 am anon

    Slightly off topic here, but I’d love to hear whether the same thoughts resonate with the CH consigliere here…

    I’ve noticed that the vast majority of 8’s-10’s (at least 85%) come from very wealth families. By no means am I attracted to their wealth, but the fact that their families have given them so much (homes, cars and expensive handbags) for doing so little, has further increased their sense of entitlement. As such, it’s quite the difficult challenge to maintain frame and not be sucked into any provider-ship role.

    Furthermore, on wealthy girls in the 6-8 range: I’ve noticed that these girls are much more likely to approach me. Once again, no real man cares about what wealth these girls offer (and I come from a working class family).

    Wonder if anyone else has noticed this and if they could offer any insight as to why this is becoming more and more common.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 6:57 am Regular John

      Successfull, wealthy men select beautiful women as mates and produce pretty daughters.

      I’ve noticed this in the wealthier neighborhoods in my city. The beauty divide seems to be getting wider, too. Fewer and fewer lotus flowers springing up fromt the muck. I blame the corn syrup and cheeto prole diet.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 8:45 pm wow

        The Honey Boo Boo effect. Fat ugly women produce fat disgusting kids.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 7:03 am popcorn out

      Re ‘it’s difficult not to be drawn into a provider role’

      I don’t find this to be a problem if you set your stall out correctly from the outset by not giving your commitment away immediately and cheaply like most men.

      By engaging in weeks (maybe months) of fucking before you even consider commitment you are signalling that unlike a father who provides for his daughter unconditionally, you will be giving nothing away for free.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 9:09 pm corvinus

      Longer post in m0deration. tl;dr version: based on personal anecdote, rich hotties skew toward wanting (higher-IQ) alpha company regardless of his income, poor hotties try much harder, almost comically harder, to cajole out resources.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 9:22 pm Sentient

      On average UMC/UC communities are much better looking than WC/LC communities. It’s almost comical – a weekend at my club looks like a Ralph Lauren catalog shoot… There is still good breeding in the US, but it is the minority.

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  36. on June 1, 2015 at 5:55 am johnny

    ever thought about an evolutionary-pychological reason?

    considering the early human tribes, men hunted and protected the cave/tents.

    women cared for the babies and children and gathered berries,roots and whatever in the immediate surroundings of the camp. it is proven that the bag, made from a simple animal skin, worn as a sling around the shoulder was “invented” in that time.

    my theory is, the bag became a statussymbol among women, as the woman with the “best” bag (=the biggest, sturdiest) would probably gather more supplies, earning her more praise from the group. and silultaneously envy from the other women.

    maybe it went along with status among the males of the group as well, seeing that the animal was most likely killed by the males, making its skin a present to the more beautiful females by the more successful males.

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  37. on June 1, 2015 at 8:11 am Johnny Boy

    I think I’d apply the same reasoning to women’s nails. Most men don’t give a crap about how nicely manicured a woman’s nails are; as long they’re not filthy we do not care. Yet there is such an overabundance of nail salons that most of them are staffed by third-worlders working for slave wages.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 4:36 pm Anonymous

      Oh, I think a woman’s nails are a tell. Nicely manicured nails — consistent coloring, reasonable length — suggests she is conscious of her appearance and takes care of herself. Stubby nails, or cracked colors, suggests she is not. Long false nails, or multi-colored, or truly garish colors is a tell for a low class prole. Black nails could be a tell for a goth personality, or a slut.

      Meanwhile, nothing so exciting as a beautiful set of manicured fingers wrapped around the hard one.

      Of course, nicely manicured nails can be on the hands and feet of land whales, but it’s just one tell, and therefore, has some usefulness.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 8:59 pm 88

        totally agreement here

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  38. on June 1, 2015 at 8:49 am PA

    Slice of life observation. A young (maybe 23 y.o.) white man is sitting in a public waiting area. He is tall, sportingly dressed, athletic, good looking. I’m standing nearby. A middle aged black man returns to that seat to pick up a small item he left there. Seeing him approach, the young white guy apparently thinks he wants that seat he’s sitting in. So he jumps up and in apologetic voice starts to say something but the black guy in a friendly manner tells him he’s just grabbing something he forgot. The young white guy stammer some some apology and says “thanks man” submissivy and the older black guy goes away.

    I tnought about telling the young man something along the lines of “I understand its a reflex but there was no need to be this obsequious.” But then I decided not to. You know how when a pussy whipped boyfriend can cower before his girlfriend but will go defcon 5 on a third party male who discreetly suggests to him that he shouldnt take that kind of crap from a woman? Its likely that the young man in my anecdote may also get in my grill or tell me to fuck off, a compensation for his subissivemess to the black guy.

    Millennials. I can’t relate to having been taught white guilt since birth.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 9:07 am corvinus

      Millennials. I can’t relate to having been taught white guilt since birth.

      Thank the pubic skoolz.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 10:16 am James Blonde

      You guys are over thinking this; I offer my seat to white women all the time…

      But then again, I don’t look like a bitch so your retarded logic is null an void.

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      • on June 1, 2015 at 1:28 pm Benny Hill

        Since you look like a monkey then your logic is bananas.

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  39. on June 1, 2015 at 9:07 am PA

    A thought experiment related to the original post: you’re a high school girl who wants to marry a very wealthy man. You’re a normal girl psychogically: not a cold mercenary, physical attraction and age similarity are a must. You’re smart, pretty and slim but not a knockout. How do you go about it?

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  40. on June 1, 2015 at 10:12 am Scott

    My neighbor is a handbag whore too, and she’s single and unattached. It isn’t just for attached women signalling the commitment of a man, a shit ton of women play in this arena of one-upmanship. I kinda pity them. Each of these handbags costs around a grand.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 10:18 am James Blonde

      A grand my ass…Lots of fakes out there, don’t be fooled; the chinks can make a copy of anything

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  41. on June 1, 2015 at 10:50 am Treezus

    I own a piece of Louis Vuitton luggage worth three grand, and I own four leather duffle bags that retailed for between five and ten grand each. I like to have a duffle to match whatever I happen to be wearing when traveling. It brings much attention from ladies, though unfortunately more from gold diggers. Also, the extremely heightened style intimidates some worthwhile women.

    Most on this board would call this wasted money, a response that stems from an inability to relate to my economic standing.

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    • on June 1, 2015 at 1:17 pm The Old Codger

      Well now, aren’t you just SPESHUL!

      Probably attract far more attention from the Poop Chute Rangers than from desirable women though, they recognize you’re trying way too hard!

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    • on June 2, 2015 at 8:58 pm Rum

      “My economic standing” = I stole the luggage I am bragging about.
      “Extremely heightened style” = You don’t want to know.

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  42. on June 1, 2015 at 1:35 pm sean

    They also function to show family status of a female. Designer brands and fashion in general communicate which girls you need to treat with better class versus simply using a girl to hook up with.

    Once every girl you surround youself with is beautiful/young you then sort out girls who have family money when looking for a relationship.

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  43. on June 1, 2015 at 2:43 pm tteclod

    See also: shoes.

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  45. on June 3, 2015 at 12:41 am Zach

    To completely understand the phenomenon, one would do well to pour through all the online gossip when Snooki entered the bagged elite riding on the wave of Jersey Shore.

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  47. on June 8, 2015 at 9:22 pm Andrew Candie

    I used to work at Louis Vuitton. What a shitshow of aging womens’ sagging vanity.

    I have a rule: never deal with a female with a Louis Vuitton bag.

    I never address the important questions directly with females, such as their “number”, but I’ll tease out whether they have interest in vanity goods, and that frames my final judgment on character.

    A cute (age-adjusted for 30’s) lady presented herself to me the other day by conspicuously hovering near me in a store. A proud little LV bag on her side. De-selected, thanks for the signal.

    ————–

    In a past life I was a bioscience graduate. I sense a major element missing in the collective approach to parsing evo-psych/sex-market behaviors; which is: how the genetic mandate prisms through the psychological module of “self”. Observers look for direct logic from the mandated drive to the behavior, but the mind is an abstraction assembled of multiple modules, with often conflicting drives, and which can produce faulty results (some with disastrous consequences; see white liberalism); genes build this computer with the purpose of reproductive/survival success, but the machine itself operates based on its own reward system, unconscious of its intended purpose. The rewards span Maslow’s hierarchy of needs (or equivalent); self-actualization, or establishment of a strong positive sense of self, is itself a powerful reward; it is also valuable in the practical pursuit of survival, but is not a direct path to survival.

    So for example, PUA Mystery was a great pioneer, but his evo-psych approach was limited to imagining the caveman tribe as the root of all social dynamics; so his conclusion on why men fear approaching was that it created a violent threat from alpha males–a direct logic of survival. In my view, the real violence is the destruction of the ideal self/ego when confronted by stark reality on SMV. Ego being self-perceived social status, more or less.

    Fulfilling ego feels like an end-goal. Women covet a luxury bag because it makes them feel like they are who they want to be.

    Some worldly phonomena, such as the luxury bag, hit the sweet spot–they occupy a precise space within the dimensions of social dynamics and sexual dynamics and cultural imagery, that clicks into the typical brain of a given demographic and produces fireworks.

    In a healthy sexual market with traditional logistics and cultural support, the female mind would focus towards success as a wife and mother as fulfillment, although female ornamentation–jewels and bags–would still rightfully turn them on. In The Jew Circus, cultural programming focuses them on being the prettiest wheatgrass Katy Perry lawyeress in the yoga class. (Of course, natural selection means most people can’t feel satisfied in any sexual market, which leads to feminism and gamer porn addicts.)

    Tyler from Real Social Dynamics is a master of the self aspect of life, but RSD caters to males who lack the real status and resources to fulfill their ego naturally. It’s fake it til you make it, which can be legitimately useful as a beginning, but also sets up a canyon of cognitive dissonance that risks alpha-beta flops under pressure. A rational man needs the real-world accomplishments to believe in himself without reservation.

    ————–

    In the LV store, it seemed some of the husbands knew that they were just doing what they could to make their partner’s wanting ego feel whole. Like a stoic father taking a son to Baskin Robbins after he wasn’t picked at baseball tryouts.

    You want to see abject shame? A woman came in the store to have her bag looked at, and was informed by the haughty grinning saleswoman that her LV bag was a fake. She slunk out of there like she had just shit her pants on TV.

    Interesting spin-off: there was a black tranny who would come in monthly to collect the latest most expensive bags. He/she would actually snap her fingers at the staff, sitting on the couch drinking mineral water served in a crystal goblet. It’s female identity.

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