It’s a good idea to avoid the temptation to ask a girl out on a public stage, especially if you don’t know for certain that the girl likes you “that way”. But leave it to beta males to endorse hope over (lack of) experience. A viral video of a teenager prompositioning his lust object to be his prom date ended with what must have felt like the ne plus ultra of humiliating rejections.
She was, naturally, “already seeing someone”.
The beta orbiter’s lament is always being the guy who arrives at his decision for romance too late. And when he does arrive there, his mountaintop announcement is maladroit and swiftly dismissed.
Why is the beta orbiter so clueless about the feelings of the girl he orbits? I’ll tell you what’s likely happening behind the scenes of these public spectacles of romantic rejection.
Stage One Beta Orbiter: He “hangs around” this girl he really likes, but only peripherally. Her proximity, however unattached and fleeting, strengthens his feelings for her. She, of course, is oblivious to his feelings.
Stage Two Beta Orbiter: As his love grows beyond the bounds of possible reciprocation, he projects his passion onto the girl he orbits, actively fantasizing and even beginning to imagine real indications that she is as interested in him as he is in her. She remains oblivious to his feelings.
Stage Three Beta Orbiter: Time definitely does not heal blue balls. The beta orbiter now envisions a day not too far in the future when his p will enter her v. He starts to act weirdly (more weird than usual) around her planetary trap zone, and it is at this point that she suspects his romantic interest, leaving her grappling with feelings of discomfort, but also of manipulative promise. It will be hard for her now to resist her subconscious impulse to use her beta orbiter toolbag for emotional and practical provisioning. Even the sweetest girls can give in to the lure of exploiting loyal, lovestruck beta males for asexual profit.
Stage Four Beta Orbiter: He is so infatuated and hypnotized by her platonic company, he can’t see that jerkboy pinching her on the ass as he walks by and her turning red-faced with aroused embarrassment. All the real life signals are red, and all his fantasy life signals are green. He ignores the obvious lack of interest from her and pays attention only to what he has concocted in his fevered mental masturbatorium. A collision is coming.
Stage Five Beta Orbiter: He can’t contain his feelings any more. The time is ripe! Public proposition, because it can’t fail and he wants the world to know his good fortune, or because he nurses a seed of doubt and thinks a crowd of sympathetic allies will exert just the right amount of pressure on the girl of his dreams. Horrible rejection ensues, hug from mom, lesson learned? Not always. Not often.
A beta orbiter can be rescued by a wise male buddy or mentor, and by learning game, sometime around or before Stage Three. By Stage Four, he’s a lost cause, and he’ll have to endure Stage Five humiliation to snap out of his delirium. That’s what happened to the teenager in the above story. That’s what had to happen.
Go to youtube and look up “proposal fails” for much more such entertainment.
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There’s a great one at a Houston Rockets (or Bulls) game. Guy proposes at mid-court during halftime. The woman is so shocked and uneasy, she just walks away, and as she’s edging off the court, picks up the pace quickly.
The mascot comforts him. What’s funny(ier), is that homeboy has his beer with him as he both proceeds to propose and then when he’s leaving in defeat.
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LOL, the second beer was to celebrate his escape from that close call.
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From the Minnesota madness story:
‘“The work begins with people looking at themselves and their own beliefs and implicit biases,” says Michelle Bierman, the district’s director of racial equity.’
Wonder how many multiples of a STEM job salary that position pays.
‘The final piece was a tech rollout. Since St. Paul wanted to fit students of widely differing skills into the same classes, teachers needed to customize lessons for individual kids. In 2011, the district invested $4.3 million in Dell for a website that offered videos, homework, and quizzes. But Dell delivered an embarrassingly archaic site, and the deal collapsed within three years. Students received iPads last year instead.’
A competent web shop probably could have done it for 1/10 that at most. I wonder (1) how much of that 4.3 mil went into whose pockets, (2) what the kickbacks were, and (3) how much of the work was done by H-1Bs at slave wages.
Also, “invested in Dell”? That’s like saying you “invested” in that guy who just mugged you.
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Wasn’t Khan Academy around in 2011? HAHA….also, did they not hear of YouTube? Hundreds of people put up videos for stuff they enjoy teaching. Sure, some’s not all that great, but shit, wouldn’t take that long to come up with a semester’s worth of curriculum.
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UConn study about men who earn less than their wives are most likey to cheat is ripe for CH breakdown.
women who earn much more than their husband least likely to cheat. alphas getting a free ride with some on the side? nice.
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It’s possible that breadwinner women are that way because they’re too ugly to get anywhere in life on their looks, so they rely on being lawyercunts and other such work.
If their husbands are more likely to cheat, whereas they themselves are less likely, their being ugly appears to me to be the most likely reason.
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Apparently Ben Affleck’s beta confession to the lesbian Alyssa from the movie “Chasing Amy” inspired many lovelorn lads to memorize the speech word for word and use it to win over their own orbital hosts.
They all failed, quite spectacularly. Movies like that do a disservice to hopeless, lost males, as do most hollywood properties and adult advice in general. We feel bad or even make fun of kids like this when they crash and burn, but all the adults ignore the role they played in cheering him on.
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I would like to see what her actual b/f looks like to determine his alpha-cred.
Might be this guy:
https://twitter.com/mitch_abraham50
Based on these tweets:
Looks more alpha in that picture, but not necessarily in others. Plus, once upon a time when I was a beta orbiter, I got lots of 7+’s (even 10’s) to say they were “in a relationship” with me when Facebook was first a thing. Now, the most alpha peeps I know don’t even have Facebook.
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ah yes, here we are:
http://www.feelguide.com/2015/05/31/why-do-we-cheat-the-worlds-leading-infidelity-expert-explains-everything-in-riveting-new-ted-talk/
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One of the the main rules: Don’t ever take relationship advice from a broad. They suck at it.
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also, ted talks.
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The ultimate betrayal? Raising a basted spawn that you think is yours but it is not.
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To his credit, at least he let it drop and asked some other chick.
I don’t understand this prom-posal thing, though; it seems stupid.
I imagine most normally functioning men catch themselves going at least as far as stage 2 from time to time; I definitely do. At that point you have to stop yourself and pull away from her because you’re already too heavily invested in a fantasy.
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I never understood prom to begin with and was never good with women at the time for what prom “offers.” During high school, I just kept enough interest to graduate and get the hell out of there.
It’s seems like prom favors the girl, since it’s about her dress and corsage and yadda yadda yadda.
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My math teacher (who was as alpha as you could ask for) once mentioned he didn’t go to his prom because he didn’t know any women worth spending that kind of money on.
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I didn’t go to prom because I was essentially a loser and decided I didn’t want to go and be embarrased. A girl that I kind of liked didn’t go either but whatever.
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I don’t understand this prom-posal thing, though; it seems stupid.
CH theorized a while ago that it’s mate-guarding behavior by beta males. (Search on this blog for “elaborate proposal”.)
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It’s possible to get a girl from your social circle who you’ve known for a while. The trick is to be considered high value by the group and ignore the girl as much as possible until you make a move.
That seems like a good topic for future posts, CH.
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@Benson I do this a lot. It is no different from gaming girls in any other way. I rarely date girls, I would game then hang out, then escalate, then bang. If at any point in that interaction it starts to falter, I eject. Girls are generally discrete when it comes to this stuff especially if you explain that you don’t want to be the subject of friends’ gossip.
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Nah, they need gossip almost as much as oxygen. You always risk embarrassment when gaming in your social circle, but that risk beats the friend zone any day of the week.
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The ‘pay for an activity with a chic you just met’ never made sense to me. Pulling from social/work/school circles always made that stuff irrelevant. I know men here like to pull unknown chics, but it’s too much risk, not enough reward. I’ve stated this before, ‘bang first, then date’. I know this seems retarded to the uninitiated, but it’s my favorite. Plus, you are flipping the orbiter script.
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It can be easier, since your personality naturally comes out when you’re in familiar environments. The problem, however, is that it can limit your options, especially if you have stunted social skills.
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If you’re in college, have a g/f off-campus or at least say you do. That alters the dynamic between you and the women in your social circle in your favor. They think they like you more if someone else has you. Pre-selection. Definitely worked for me at college.
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If you don’t have a girlfriend, you can convey the pre-selection by refusing invitations to hang out if they aren’t one-on-one. Combined with the fact that you don’t chase her when she sees you, like all her faggy guy friends do, the distance will give her a chance to fill in the blanks. This strategy kills if you have some status in the group.
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You just described a. Huge portion of my high school years. Probably all of high school.
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Seconded.
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What stage is it when you ask her out, get denied, but hang around for a long time hoping she’ll change her mind?
(Yeah, been there, done that.)
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One of your best, CH – I’d put it as Chapter 1 Verse 1 in the anthology. Once you’ve felt the sting of Stage 5 – the XVI Commandments really resonate.
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Never liked these “grand proposition” in front of crowds or at special events thing. They’ve always pinged my cringe radar.
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The Beta orbiter waiting too long gig and then elaborate gesture seems to coincide with a fear that the woman is being successfully pursued by (or, more likely, pursuing) a rival. There’s also this sunk cost aspect where the Beta is trying to rescue his investment at the last possible minute. Basically, the opposite of the abundance mentality in every way.
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I used to reach Stage Three, maybe once Stage Four. Never the last one, for fuck’s sake. Too much of the chimp in me for that shit. Now, no matter how bad it is, I just act like a cretin to exorcise the urge to pedestalize. Pinch her ass or whatever, who cares: Don’t Be a Chump is my single commandment.
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Chimp or chump!
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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That hurts to watch!!!
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She’s a hottie at least… give him that.
So how can he best turn this around. leverage his social media fame (with a new frame) and be seen with a hotter girl is always a good way to go. Lemonade from lemons.
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These girls are way hotter than any of the girls that I remember in High School, nearly 20 years ago. Maybe all of those dateless nights back then were really a blessing in disguise….
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In UMC/UC private schools the talent level is crazy… They are nearly all slim and do some sport or exercise and drink smoothies and coffee…
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Sentient’s not lying. So very many top tier girls here in LA
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https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11204891_905034969540114_6717858789640658406_n.jpg?oh=332cb14b4189b6c8d054b2ca3efed790&oe=55F1E78A
I bet she gets famous off of this… that’s the irony isn’t it?
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That girl re-tweeted Bruce Jenner. She is as stupid as she is cold.
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How was she “cold”? What was she supposed to do, say yes?
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Lol amen. Homie even asked the question like a total bitch. Dat vocal timbre and cadence, tho!
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Beware fellas, if you propose and she snatches the ring out of your hands like Golem….Run. That diamond just saved you a lot of lost income.
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This guy now tries to live in twitter infamy under the “rejection famous” hashtag. Only a fool would expect praise for failure.
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I have tried to understand the servile mentality that would even entertain stepping into any of these stages. I just can’t. I never could.
It’s alpha, MGTOW, or die.
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Why are you still alive smegma boy?
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Come on dude.
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does corrtizar even know the meaning of the word ?
Alive, I mean.
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Why are you still alive smegma boy?
Seriously?
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Who are you miscreant?
Real_Unmitigated_Moron?
I do not remember reading anything associated with your handle, are you one of strapon brothers in âme?
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It’s smegma girl.
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Correction, to refer to your own self. Also, as Catholics, “die” (suicide) is not an option:
Alpha, MGTOW, or mixed-race mystery meat.
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Huh? No entiendo.
I simply don’t understand men who pathetically follow women around. The last time I did that was age fourteen, and it killed any beta that may have been beginning to grow in me. That, and my older twenty-four-year-old cousin who was a player, hitting on waitresses, constantly flirting. Hanging with him showed the young Spirit the light.
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Sure Game can save a beta orbiter.
Only problem is that beta orbiters often are the most vehement opponents of the sweet science of pick-up, pre- or post-humiliation.
They’ll play the waiting game. And the payoff, if they’re really “lucky”, after years of watching their princess get dumped by Skrillex clones, is a 60,000 dollar wedding and a blank-eyed speech about her soulmate and best friend. And a sexless honeymoon
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Only a few very lucky people haven’t been orbiters, especially when young
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Funny thing is that over-confidence in a girl’s interest is a mighty boost, when approaching on a night out.
But combining it with one-itis is like mixing whiskey to nitric acid then draining the cup. Makes your self-destruction that little bit more palatable
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This is top-notch CH. The writing is as crisp and meaty as free-range bacon. I don’t think this sentence — “Time definitely does not heal blue balls” — adds any value, but otherwise, this could be used in a writing workshop. And the fact that it rings true to anyone who has passed through these stages (it happened to me once….and only once) makes it clang like a church bell on Easter Sunday.
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Let’s do a CH style vivisection of the bachelorette show. I have yet to date a girl that didn’t try to rope me into watching that drivel…the me competing for one woman version is so much less plausible than the inverse too. It’s funny to see a bunch of dudes gossiping like women and all “looking for love”.
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In Central / Eastern Europe, its not broadcasted , however, the most psychically imabalanced chicks I dated watch that sh*t on net.
cosign for shiv-dissection
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The reason why beta males never say anything is that they’re scared stiff…and with good reason. They’re terrified of rejection, and rejection is precisely what they’re going to get. Women don’t like beta males in general. Betas are frequently intelligent, though, and can benefit from an explanation of just why they screwed up. It worked on me, back in the alt.seduction.fast days on USENET. Of course, there wasn’t all this vicious political hate back then…it was just a bunch of men helping each other get better at dealing with women.
I would appreciate a more sympathetic view of beta males. Nobody taught them how to deal with women. We shouldn’t hate them for it, or shit all over them for being what they are. They need help. Even the ones that insist they don’t need help…they need it, too.
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I second this call for a return to the kinder, gentler days of PUAistry, minus the furry hats.
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sympathy is a form of contempt
but yes alot of us here were clueless with women in our lives too. the hard in your face truth wrote here by heartiste is the best way of helping a beta get better with women
for some of them tho that even wouldnt be enough, it would take a real life moment of female tooling on the beta before he was ready to accept the lessons of the red pill
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Stage Six: Records embittered rant on youtube.
Stage Seven: Shoots up high school in act of vengeance on a society that refuses to recognise his greatness.
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I like your style playa… [fistbump] Let’s sarge brah!
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You mean that in the “chat” usage right?
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Stage eight: crash a plane full of people into the side of a mountain
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Stage fifteen: Become Chancellor and invade Poland.
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Is science saying that your attitude can predict an outcome? That attitude and frame literally make it real and your body acts it out?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150602130553.htm
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They’re saying this is novel? The idea that we’re constantly just responding to outside stimuli, without any neural patterns to confront and predict them, is basically blank-slatism. Seems like a strawman thing.
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Alpha is the only way
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Poor bastard. And who posts a video like this for the entire public to see to make fun of the guy? Our shame used to be localized and we’d get to go to college, or the real world, and start fresh. Now, one bad social calculation can screw you for life.
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Masculinity, Positive Masculinity, and the White Knight as a Perversion of Masculinity
http://killtoparty.com/2015/05/09/masculinity-positive-masculinity-and-the-white-knight-as-a-perversion-of-masculinity/
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Damn…
key quote: “Since women feel entitled to the possession of power their response to male power is typically an attempt to annihilate it, and if annihilation fails, to cast ownership over it; if all else fails, to get fucked by it.”
This follows the rubric of: Shit test —> Fall into frame/join the party —> submit
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Good French movie: Love After Love (1992)
It’s about an alpha male who has relationships with two women at the same time and both are fully aware. Not to be deterred said alpha then has a fling with his secretary (no doubt pre-selection at work here). He is a strong male character, aloof, no sense of humor, a jerk and yet his lovers cannot get enough of him.
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No big deal. Profitable experience. Lesson learned : do not pedestalize. Boy is good looking and athlete, he learns some game its all good
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And despite his first failed attempt, the unfortunate episode didn’t put Patrick off from another grand proposal.
He drove to friend Lilli Abraham’s home and held a sign outside her house, asking her whether she’d be his date to the prom – and luckily she said yes.
‘I talked to her friends beforehand to make sure she wasn’t going with anyone’, he said. ‘She was very aware of my first rejection – she found it hilarious.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3107618/Oh-god-just-rejected-2-000-people-New-Jersey-teenager-uses-microphone-ask-high-school-crush-prom-says-no.html#ixzz3c1QsdyYg
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Sadly he did not learn…
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Oh no, he has a date for the prom.
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Sodomy, teen pregnancy and abortion is rampant. Everyone is screaming for gay marriage and wants to see two men spit kissing in the latest Sam Smith music video. Autistic males masturbate to cartoon ponies and anime. Every female is twerking upside down on a bedroom door or making a make-up tutorial to enhance their sexual market value. Bruce Jenner is now Caitlyn Jenner. Depravity and sin left and right.
But what do I hear? What do I hear from these people in the West? What do I hear them saying with a straight face?
“Cheating is wrong, it’s not fair to your partner”, “Adultry is a sin”
The nerve and audacity to stand up on that moral pedestal LOL
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TRUTH!
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So these things seem to keep on costing money. .
http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-tattoo-is-foreverexcept-when-you-dont-want-it-1433346992
Check out the “sleeved” girl and her beau!
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Reblogged this on MGTOW 2.0.
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[…] It’s a good idea to avoid the temptation to ask a girl out on a public stage, especially if you don’t know for certain that the girl likes you “that way”. But leave it to beta males to endorse hope over (lack of) experience. […]
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