The Chateau has been a destination for Crimson Pill pilgrims a long time, yet confusion about the functioning of the sexual market continues bedeviling a fair number of click-by readers. And not just at CH, but at other ostensibly Realtalk outposts. A recent example of this entrenched ignorance comes from a commenter at Alpha Game, who is under the impression that a woman’s looks are *less* important to marriage-minded men than to fling-favoring men.
It is probably a bit true that men will make some trade offs in favor of intelligence and other factors against looks in a long term partner relative to a short term one.
But that would be like choosing hot but crazy for a weekend but putting for a bit less hot but sane for a wife.
Of course looks are less important in a wife than in a one night stand. But only in a holistic sense. You don’t really care if a one night stand can read or count past 10 without taking her shoes off. You probably would care the mother of your children can.
“Of course” looks are less important in a wife? Da’Fuc? I don’t know how one could hold this opinion when the real world evidence points in the complete opposite direction. Take a tally of all your married male friends. If you’ve been friends a while, you’ll be able to compare their ex-girlfriends to their current wives. I bet nine out of ten of them have wives considerably hotter than the average of their ex-girlfriends.
The reason why this is so is simple: When a man is seeking to settle down with a lifelong lover and mother of his future children, he wants the BEST DEAL HE CAN GET. If he plans to invest everything in one woman, you bet he’ll make sure he’s getting good return on investment.
It’s similar to buying perishable goods versus durable goods. Toilet paper? Yeah, you don’t want it tearing apart in your ass forest, but you won’t care much about the advantages of 10-ply over 9-ply. You’ll buy a good value TP, a brand that’ll do the job but won’t cost more than a decent cheesesteak.
But a more durable good, like a car? You will care about every detail of that purchase — looks, power, efficiency, reliability… “leg” room. You’ll spend a lot more time mulling over your auto options than you will your TP options.
It goes the same with women. A one night stand or a short fling? Sure, you want the hottest girl you can get, but you’ll make sacrifices if she’s good to go. Maybe you allow yourself to tolerate a one point beauty deduction for a two point increase in sexual availability.
But a potential wife… ah, that’s serious business. Now you definitely want the whole package — beauty, youth, femininity, dependability, fidelity, and smarts that are in the ballpark of your own intelligence. Emphasis on beauty and youth.
Christ, people, use your heads. Do you really think the typical man would be LESS concerned about the looks of a woman he’ll be staring at for YEARS?!
Oh, but you know a man who married poorly. Yes, those men exist… they’re called betas with no options. Men with options are VERY discerning about the women they will bless with their full devotion. You can bet that uglier women, fatter women, sluttier women, and crazier single moms have as much, and likely more, trouble finding a marriage-minded man who isn’t a total loser, as charmless beta males with nothing to offer but their wallets and sympathy hugs have finding a merger-minded girl who just wants to have fun.
It also helps if she can cook, clean, and sew.
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Sewing is almost never needed these days, not when we have stores so we don’t have to make our own clothes. The necessary sewing is minimal. Cleaning is easy and not a skill. Cooking is actually also easy – once you have learned to make a meal you remember it. Personality and looks, those are the main factors.
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“Cooking is actually also easy”
every chef honing his craft for decades would disagree with you. so do I. many say cuisine is the most complicated of all the fine arts with hundreds of chemical reactions happening throughout the preparation and consumption of a meal that chemists can’t even explain. thousands of years of history and experimentation condensed into a single night.
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“Sewing… Cleaning… Cooking… Personality and looks…” – Arbiter, note that she needs the PERSONALITY to want to sew and to clean and to cook. Or, if to not want to do those things, then at least to understand the necessity of doing them. You marry a Daddy’s Special Princess or a Manjawed HB8 Career-Driven Fanatic, and lotsa luck getting her to enjoy living the simple life with you – your house will be filthy and your “food” [i.e. your industrial-synthetic calories] will be microwaved every d@mned night.
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Availability overcomes a lot of long term defects, including attractiveness. I tend to think for marriage looks aren’t primacy though. Nobody wants to marry a gold digger, a future fatty, a ball buster, leech, etc. At least not unless you have so many resources you don’t really care.
Fidelity and femininity are right up there with looks for marriage.
Intelligence is a tertiary trait that is more of a threshold than an objective. No above average man wants to marry a lamp post. But once its cleared, its entirely irrelevant.
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Only if food is simply fuel and not something you enjoy. There are people that can’t cook and refuse to learn. If she hasn’t learned and has no interest in doing so, it is a good indicator that you aren’t as high on her priority list as you think.
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or that she lacks “taste”
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I didn’t now you folks had taste (they just have to have two X chromosomes, no?)
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“If she hasn’t learned and has no interest in doing so, it is a good indicator that you aren’t as high on her priority list as you think.”
this is correct. it’s not so much that you couldn’t just cook or clean for yourself. you certainly can. that isn’t the point. preparing food for someone is a way to show caring an affection. it’s also something that parents need to do for their children. if a girl is too lazy or uninterested to learn to cook, and/or she doesn’t instinctually feel the need to feed you, she is not going to be the kind of girl who will take care of you the way she should. she will also probably be an inattentive mother who raises fat, unhealthy children because she doesn’t know how to feed them.
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every chef honing his craft for decades would disagree with you. so do I.
Come on, of course I don’t mean that GOURMET food is difficult. But regular meals are easy to make. You just need guidance once or twice and then you can make them on your own.
Gourmet food, well, I guess you’ll learn a few of those meals over the years. I certainly didn’t lack great meals as a kid, and my mother didn’t need any expert training to do this to my knowledge, just ordinary skills and experience. I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong in assuming this, but I think this is pretty normal. My point is, most women will know this. As they will know the minimal sewing that you need. Hell, I can cook some pretty good meals, even though I usually only eat basic paleo food focused entirely on health.
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“preparing food for someone is a way to show caring an affection.”
this. cooked food is the core of human civilization. our ancestors leaving the camp to gather/hunt and then returning to cook around the communal fire is the base of everything we as a social species have today. every culture on every continent is organized around festivals and food.
women who refuse to cook are an affront to everything men have spent the last 10,000 years building
“I certainly didn’t lack great meals as a kid”
you are the exception then. I got the basics and from the looks of the grocery store and food advertising combined with the benchmarks of the standard american diet, so did most of us.
my woman is so good in the kitchen it makes my mother’s head spin. it’s amazing to see the combination of delight and envy when she dines with us. the stuff my girl prepares takes days to come together. a sauce here, a condiment there, sheets of fresh pasta drying, batters fermenting. she’s thinking days and days in advance to please me and will make anything I want regardless of the effort involved. some of her recipes are 3-4 pages. it’s crazy.
and she is a very fit yoga body size 4 who gets nasty looks from the college girls when we’re on campus. that’s how to tell if your ltr still has it – double and triple takes from young hotties. they literally look their competition up and down from head to toes. the scowls are priceless and they all seem especially envious of long legs. a woman can do a lot to alter her appearance but lengthening her legs just isn’t possible. heels can make her taller but not change her proportions.
there are still marriageable women out there. getting them to serve you is totally possible using CH advice. refuse to settle. if you have an ltr challenge her to improve her skills. i am a such a prick to my girl and the worse I am the sweeter and more eager to please she is. to all the teen guys here: follow CH advice – you can make your world whatever you want it to be.
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Crockpots are the way to go!
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sewing can save you from buying a whole new item of clothing if all you need is a repair
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Sewing is important too. It’s a hallmark of a quality woman. It’s what women used to do with her hands and mind before facebook and texting. A woman that likes to sew is crafty (i.e. making crafts), and is far more likely to know important oldschool homemaking skills. When she knows those, she’s far more likely to have an older set of values.
And cleaning? It may look easy, but it takes discipline and dedication to do day in and day out. A woman that will gladly do that repetitive work to maintain your home is an asset to be cherished, not made light of.
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I think it’s more a willingness to do those things than necessarily being talented at it.
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Sewing up socks has to be the most underrated skill. Thee thngs get holes fast and are way overpriced.
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If she can sew, you’ve got a tailor! Alterations on the fly . . .
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i think sewing is a good skill for a girl to have. got a perfectly good pair of pants except for the hole in the pocket, a hole in your shirt under the armpit where the seam came undone, or a button that just fell off? show them to your girl. if she offers to stitch them up for you, she’s a keeper. it’s a sign of a good, kind, nurturing AND practical woman if she knows how to do those things and willingly offers to do them for you.
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“show them to your girl. if she offers to stitch them up for you, she’s a keeper.”
that’s actually a really good way to qualify a girl. also pay attention to how often she offers you something to eat or drink or whatever. like i said, preparing food for someone is a way to show caring an affection.
if she only does nice things when you ask her to and never offers on her own, her heart isn’t in the right place and it’s a sure sign of what’s to come later on down the road.
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A woman who sews saves you money because she can mend your clothes so you don’t have to buy a new shirt or pair of pants every time you get a rip or hole.
As for cleaning, wouldn’t you rather have a woman at home who does the cleaning while you’re at work? I know I would. The same thing goes for cooking.
Personality and looks are important, but don’t forget most people are average looking. Average-looking women need something to make up for being average, and that’s where cooking, cleaning, and sewing come in. If she’s hot, then its icing on the cake.
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Sewing is important too. It’s a hallmark of a quality woman. It’s what women used to do with her hands and mind before facebook and texting.
False Choice Fallacy: it’s either sewing or it’s Facebook.
No, sewing is what women used to do before we had better specialization through machines. Yes, we still sew today, but how often do you actually need that? Not very often at all. Not even once a year.
It’s just the kind of thing you throw in to make a list of “This is what a woman should do, and if she doesn’t she’s a Facebook-reading slut!” It’s ridiculous. I am certainly no feminist, and I would prefer a society where more families could afford to have the mother say at home if they wanted to, but I will still point out inaccuracies when I see them. If we have our own Political Correctness taking over, where any claim in the right direction has to be accepted, then we just mirror the Left.
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For now, until Benny Bux goes to zero and the sweatshops I yellow land are no longer available for us to plunder.
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I wish I could sew! That’s actually a really good thing to have under ones belt.
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When you really have to go, do you stay and cuddle with the urinal afterward? She’s just a receptacle for one of your biological needs. Fulfill it and GtFO! Save yourself a lot of time, money, and heartache by cooking and cleaning for yourself!
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Take a look at this chart and start applying numbers to it and you will be astounded at the rarity of finding women who are mentally and physically beautiful. I created this simple chart using an exponential scale based on the simple premise that as a women’s value increases, that increase whittles away the low hanging fruit, thus making achievements to higher tiers harder and harder. This also implies a 10 (the pinnacle of body and mind) is four times as more valuable than a 5 (the average of average girls). In standard deviation, finding anything above a 7 means you have limited yourself to approximately 5% of the female population.
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If you want to catch trophy fish, you go where the trophy fish are… You get the numbers on your side… You use the right techniques, you increase your odds…
No one has landed a marlin in a farm pond in Nebraska…
Your point?
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http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/451778034-octagon-girls-chrissy-blair-vanessa-hanson-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QRljsVl%2BO3eKpL6gQTFTYoRWoj1scdCM3S8CCIRUMprvios%2FHaaaaJ%2BF3K5yRlTs4A%3D%3D
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The point is knowledge, being aware. Yep, you’re right, go where the numbers are in your favor, but look at the big picture, be aware of your surroundings. Any other questions?
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“Any other questions?”
How long did you spend on your chart?
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Not as long as it took to write the supporting material. The implications of this chart are profound. We think ourselves inundated with a skewed sample due to the Internet and media, but our actual surroundings reflect this scale, bookend-skewed because the 0’s are shut-ins and the 10 are not waiting to be hooked by some chance, trolling hook.
Have you seen .1% of the girls coming out of Nebraska?
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“Have you seen .1% of the girls coming out of Nebraska?”
In Hollywood or in Vegas?
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The commenter should have written “Mental traits matter less in a one-night stand” instead of “The physical matters less in a wife”. That is where the reasoning he presents really leads.
And as CH points out, both the mental and the physical matter less in a one-night stand than in the one you will spend decades with. Good point.
As a side note, remember another CH post that showed that married couples are fatter than unmarried couples in the same age, and those are fatter than singles in the same age. What a shame that people start “indulging” once they are married. A couple that has a scientific view of food (i.e. paleo) and exercise will be more satisfied with their lives. It is also fun to compare yourself to people around you – once you see the fun in being the more fit couple you’ll never want to lose that position.
So many stats and good points presented at the Chateau, it would be great to have them all collected on one page to show people. I have a lot of bookmarks from my CH readings by now.
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Brutal, but true. I dated a young, feminine girl with good humor and fidelity. I really wanted to love her with all my heart, but. . .her looks were not good. Really not good.
i couldnt handle the idea of staring at that the rest of my life and having everyone we met assume i was a loser. Its a sad world.
i think betas with no options should just stay single as opposed to forcing themselves to settle for something they dont really want. It will save heartache all around.
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Yes, I recognize that – dating a girl who you really like, except for that one factor or two factors. Long ago I dated a girl who was cute and intelligent, but she was inexcusably chubby. We were both 22 at the time, and you know then that it will only get worse. I couldn’t settle for that, even though it was sad to see it end.
Another girl I dated was sweet when she was normal, but she had a dark side that made her always assume the worst and always see things as a power struggle – if I surprised her on Valentine’s Day she had to make some outrageous demand in order to show that she could decide things too, and when I didn’t agree to that she would start a fight. She was most comfortable when things were bad it seemed, then she didn’t have to worry that things would go bad. I had to break up with her, even though it was devastating for her. And once I did, I was angry at myself for letting the relationship go on as long as it had. Right after that I started using manosphere/PUA teachings to date, with great success, and then I couldn’t help thinking of all the time I had wasted.
You can’t stay with someone out of pity, don’t let the relationship drag out – you’ll just lose time, both of you. It is easy and comfortable to just go one more day in the relationship, and then one more, and then one more. People lose months and even years that way. But remember then that you only have one life.
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Arbiter, consider also that we in the Modern World are suffering from Choice Overload: Just as there are nearly infinitely many cell phones to choose from, and nearly infinitely many athletic sneakers to choose from, and nearly infinitely many men’s ties or lady’s scarves to choose from, so too do we now have nearly infinitely many choices of mates, owing to cellphones and the internet and social media and whatnot. Whereas our ancestors – even the Apex Alphas – would have been choosing from a pool of only about three or four mate-worthy girls in the entire village. Choice Overload leads to all sorts of horrible psychiatry problems [to include the inevitable marital discord] which our species has not evolved to deal with. I honestly feel that the luddites, such as the Amish, have chosen a vastly more fertile path in rejecting the nearly infinite temptations of modernity, and that, long term, the luddites are about the only [reasonably high-IQ] people who will survive this insanity. [On the other hand, as the Mashiach pointed out, regarding the low-IQ folks, “The poor ye will have with you always.”]
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tldr; == 150 years ago, the two girls whom you’ve described [Fatty and BPD-y] would have made absolutely first-rate wives, and you could have enjoyed a wonderful life with either one of them [or both of them, if you were a Mormon].
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“She was most comfortable when things were bad it seemed, then she didn’t have to worry that things would go bad. ”
Sounds like my ex. In fact, she would create drama just to know that I “loved” her.
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These Cluster A girls get worse, not better. You dodged a bullet there.
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Pity and a sense of duty to a truly nice girlfriend are horrendous reasons
to stay with her. The sad fact is that nice aint enough. If you dont
balls to bones have that feeling that you want to get her pregnant,
than you shouldnt be with her. (regardless of whether you want kids)
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“Pity and a sense of duty to a truly nice girlfriend are horrendous reasons
to stay with her. The sad fact is that nice aint enough. If you dont
balls to bones have that feeling that you want to get her pregnant,
than you shouldnt be with her. (regardless of whether you want kids)”
truth. not fair to the girl and not fair to you.
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Yeah, been there, done that. Years ago, I dated a girl who was (maybe) a 4 (on a good day.) Real sweetheart, but I just couldn’t get turned on by her. I still regret that I wasted a couple of months (and hurt her feelings by leading her on)…
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tldr; == 150 years ago, the two girls whom you’ve described [Fatty and BPD-y] would have made absolutely first-rate wives
No, they wouldn’t. But 150 years ago men would have put up with them because they didn’t have a choice. Game is about giving men the possibility to choose. There is nothing wrong with that – the girls we don’t choose will not go lonely just because WE don’t pick them, as manosphere readers are not even one percent of men.
If you don’t like this, then why do you write here? Why do other tradcons write here? It isn’t right to simply use CH’s blog as a platform just because he won’t ban anyone, not even those who over and over again criticize game.
You know we agree on politics, Captain Obvious. But all the same.
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Sounds like my ex. In fact, she would create drama just to know that I “loved” her.
Indeed – start fights to make it feel “real”. Because that’s what they have known all their lives. That’s what it was like with their parents. The accusations in my case were always, “You are only doing that to show that YOU have the power, that it’s YOUR money, that it’s YOUR home!” (Why … yes, it was my money. It was my home that I moved to. Why should I have to place the TV where she wanted me to place it? Who starts an argument over something like that? Or when I went to buy a painting and let her come along, she turned it into “my painting” versus “your painting” right there in the store. Everything was about power, about who won and who lost.)
Reading stories in the manosphere after that relationship, I have seen that a lot of men have experienced the same thing, more than I realized at the time.
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>>If you don’t balls to bones have that
>>feeling that you want to get her pregnant,
>>than you shouldnt be with her. (regardless
>>of whether you want kids)
True that.
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“If you dont balls to bones have that feeling that you want to get her pregnant,
than you shouldnt be with her. (regardless of whether you want kids)”
total agreement here. having an intense desire for your woman is mandatory in a relationship. if you don’t have that with a girl, something is really wrong and you’re wasting your time, her time, and you’re living a sad hollow life.
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Arbiter, 150 years ago, men would not have known that there was something better just around the corner. A man would have known only that there were about three or four girls from sufficiently decent families in the village, with sufficiently good looks, and sufficient intelligence and cheerfulness of personality, in order to have made “good” wives, and then he’d choose the one with whom he had the best chemistry. And once married, there’d be a little nagging here and there, and a bout with depression, and some temper tantrums, and some financial problems, but the two of them could have plowed through the difficulties and had a perfectly wonderful life together. Nowadays, on the other hand, with co-ed colleges, and co-ed graduate schools, and easy access to jet airplanes, and rampant co-mingling of the sexes in the workplace and on business trips – not to mention cellphones and MATCH, TINDER, ASHLEY MADISON, F*CKERBOOK, etc etc etc – people have very nearly infinitely many choices for a mate. And when you have essentially infinitely many choices in something, the grass will always look greener on the other side – you will never be happy with what you have, no matter which choice you make [assuming that you can even force yourself to make a choice in the first place]. Choice Overload is a very real phenomenon, and the [average] human psyche has not yet evolved to deal with it.
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You should have just told her that yes, it’s my money and it’s my home. And because of this, the TV goes where I want it. If you don’t like it, move back in with your parents and go obey your daddy. But if you do leave, I won’t take you back. I think there are less vapid cunts like that here because men here, especially those that own their own place and have money, won’t put up with this kind of behavior. There are tons of beta idiots here too, sure, but the ones with ‘power’ don’t act like that, although the younger generations seem sillier.
A funny anecdote. A friend dumped his now wife because she wasn’t good enough at the sport he liked. She tried to learn for him, but she wasn’t learning fast enough. Nice girl otherwise. lol
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My dad would always tell me to marry a woman with a pretty face so that no matter how upset she makes me, I can look at her and not be as upset.
Granted, as I look back on our talks, at times he was hella subtle with his sarcasm, but on this one, I knew what he was angling at.
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If all personalities were equal then clearly I would chose the hottest woman I could get. But in the real world I would take a 6 that was feminine and pleasant over a bitchy and belligerent 9 all day long.
However, intelligence doesn’t factor into it.
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Keep saying that to yourself….. Say it one more time.
Then lay a hot 9 down in your bed and bang her and then go back to that 6 you’ve been dating and tell me how you feel about her.
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Mat690 is precisely the beta male stock that are the natural mates of homely girls.
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No way. I totally agree with Mat690. Personality [and especially spirituality] is NUMERO UNO by a very long shot. Then gifts [e.g. perfect pitch versus tone-deafness]. Then intelligence. And after those three, then and only then do you get to her HB score.
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Personality [and especially spirituality] is NUMERO UNO by a very long shot.
Gee, have you adopted the Chinese maxim, “the ugly wife is a treasure at home?”
No. Absolutely not. If she doesn’t pass the looks criterion, she ain’t getting anywhere.
For me it’s 1) looks, 2) personality, 3) intelligence, and finally, 4) gifts / everything else.
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Hence, the flaw in the rating system. Femininity is a value increase to me. Thus, if I did rate women, a nine would always go over a six with feminine qualities, because the feminine qualities got her thenextra points for being a 6.
But if you rate a 9 on looks but 0 on femininity, vs 6 on looksbut 3 on femininity, then you have a conundrum. But, factor in that looks will fade, and long term the 6 +3 will beat out the 9+0. The best way to factor the depreciation is to look at the mom. If her looks dropped substantially from 6 to 1 or 9 to 8…factor it in.
But as Barbie says, “Math is hard!” So don’t strain your brain.
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If you want some vicious cunt to make your life miserable until you die because she is hot, go ahead. I reiterate I would choose a pleasant and nurturing 6 over some belligerent, aggro 9, wouldn’t even have to think and it.
Past a certain level looks are not the most important thing, as long as you are attracted to her, personality traits, but not necessarily intelligence, matter more for marriage and potential mother of your children.
I think you will be in for a very difficult life if you think otherwise.
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Personality is greatly affected by intelligence. The more intelligent tend to be a lot better people. The proles tend to be coarse, easily distracted by whatever fad the media produce, which today means to ape the Kardashians and “go grrrl” attitude.
Yes, CH has written at least two posts about a girlfriend’s intelligence lately, but it seems many miss something he noted – that intelligence doesn’t matter after you have found a girl within your range. About 15 IQ points up or down. The point was that a girl doesn’t become more desirable by having an IQ far above your own, and that looks then wouldn’t matter, as a professor with a book to sell had claimed.
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Not true. He and I banged for a couple of months before we broke up.
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If it makes you feel better to think that every woman hotter than what you can get is bitchy and belligerent all day long, then salud, Male Hamster.
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False dichotomy.
Some 9s are bitchy; some are pleasant. Some are terrible starfishes in bed; some are passionate lovers.
The 6s vary as well.
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Brah, just go and tuck your 2 inch micro peen if she ain’t a 9 homie. You should just get a Darwin award for the extinction of ur pathetic beta male genes. And have fun sucking the cuckhold nog jizz out of your fat libtard dyke behind the divorce courts looser. Hoo rah!
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Again, inches?
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The delusional “I would rather” beta. You never approached a 9 let alone banged one.
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This is a classic case of fox and grapes. You can’t get a nine. Therefore, you rationalize that sixes are morally superior to nines.
Fours, Fives, and Sixes represent at least 90% of all marriageable women. A nine wouldn’t “be allowed to sit with them,” because it would make everyone feel self-conscious.
Feminism is the socialization of marriage. It is the female collective demanding that the male collective provide them with marriage benefits. This is in direct opposition to the natural order of a man choosing a mate, and then deciding to benefit her. It’s similar to an auto-union and its demands.
Like an auto-union, those who carry traits of the collective are accepted, and those who do not are rejected. An idiot may yield more power, simply because he is well-connected. A smart person does best to avoid the auto-unions all together, because he will be made the bitch. He makes everyone self-conscious, and must be held-down
In a female collective, being made the bitch is being shunned and gossiped about. Embodying the average female is rewarded with power and sexual dominance of the group. By sexual dominance, I mean the girl who dancing with her girls at the club and says, “Ooo, hottie! He’s mine.” The collective will do their best to ensure that its higher-ranking members get what they want. Sort of like the queen ant.
When you have that much leverage, it’s better to be a clever 6 than a kind 8.
Females can’t tell how attractive they are. They cannot judge female beauty for shit. All they can sense is power and male attention. If women sense that “all the men like Jane,” they become jealous of Jane. What’s so special about her? We’re all prettier! What a bitch!
Likewise, females confuse power with attractiveness, even and especially in other women. So, of course their power-hungry “hot” five or six of a friend should be with the hot guy. Not that woman who gets all the male attention who we don’t hang-out with.
A 7-10 may be (slightly) more selective than the average woman, but they also know how it feels to be rejected by people. So, the likelihood is that they are going to be at least decent people.
If you meet an average-looking girl who gets along with so many people, who everyone has something nice to say about, who has a lot of charisma, and so on, she’s probably not your dream girl. She could easily be a social-climbing tool. Being homelier does nothing to make someone a better person.
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In short term affairs, men are willing to overlook the defective personality or intellect if the optics and willingness to dance are there. Any one of us will gladly spend a little time with a bipolar borderline feminist psychobitch if she’s a 9 or a 10…. at least until we get our rocks off…
On the other hand in long term relationships appearance is just one event of the decathlon; sweet disposition, agreeability, intellect, good values in addition to the visual appeal all count. So if appearance is all that matters in short term pairings, it matters relatively less than other factors in long term matches.
To be clear many men will also dumpster dive below their market worth, leaving many a sad alpha-widow in their wake if her willingness is good enough to satisfy his appetites. So perhaps this is what our host, Mr. Heartiste, means when appearance is more important in long term matches. The attractiveness of a long term match is absolutely more important the attractiveness of a short term match. However for long term mates the value of the attractiveness isn’t weighted as heavily relative to other criteria in short term affairs because other character and personality considerations enter the calculation that wouldn’t necessarily be relevant.
Imagine one has 10 points of value to allocate to a match. Assuming equivalent willingness, a fellow may put all the points on attractiveness and compromise on character for an easy lay today. On the other hand for long term relationships he will reserve a few points for character and personality while holding out patiently for an HB8-9 with a charming personality. Like the alpha-widow, if he’s tasted the fruits of a HB8-9 in a brief affair, he may have become spoiled and be holding out for something that his present and future SMV can’t possibly ever deliver again.
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lmao, I don’t even talk to 6s. This is why my early game sucks, I don’t have much practice and it irks me, but I have no idea how you guys can bother talking to fat or homely girls. Never fucked a 9 either, but for 6s to get any from me, they have to do the seducing and I’m not good enough to motivate them to do it. I just steal glances from them while they walk around with their boyfriends.
A lot of problems with female insanity stem from the fact men don’t educate their girls properly. Just begin dating a good looking late teens or early twenties girl(before she finishes university) and mold her. Sure, it’s annoying and it requires effort, but if you’re into marriage, it’s a good time investment.
senseiern, the problem is femininity fades as well. Maybe you’re older and you don’t remember this, but being in my mid 20s allows me the benefit of knowing both girls I met when in high-school and they were in their early university years and vice versa. Femininity and that natural giddiness girls have fades and very few retain it.
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These comparisons don’t work in the extremes…there’s a huge difference between a 6 and 9 in looks. I think if you change it to a sweet, feminine 8 vs. a bitchy, trampy 9, it makes more sense.
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[…] A Woman’s Looks Are *More* Important To Her Marriageability […]
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Excellent explanation.
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Article is 100% true. Chick I’m settling down with is definitely top 3 hottest chicks I’ve dated. She also makes a good living so when this charade blows up in divorce court I have a little bit of a buffer from the divorce theft bonanza. My #1 job is to keep her working and in the gym.
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how much can money an wealth compensate for a womans marriagability/looks?
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“in the gym” == in the center of the cock carousel??? Wifey really should be at home, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Unless maybe it’s a “Perez Hilton” gym?
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So she doesn’t get fat. Duh.
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@ corvinus
girls do not have to be gym rats to stay thin. they can easily stay in good shape just by eating right, walking, jogging, hiking, etc. and even without all the exercise most girls can maintain a healthy weight just by keeping their diet under control.
almost all the girls i’ve ever known who go to co-ed gyms regularly are attention whores who have lost a lot of their femininity and have acquired very masculine traits (physical and personality wise).
i’ve also noticed that most of them tend to become pretty narcissistic and self-absorbed. they blast social media with tons of selfies showing off their bodies. they wear tight workout clothing everywhere they go just for the attention.
you just don’t see that as much with the girls who just eat right and go on nice walks or play with the kids to stay in shape.
gym girls might be thin but they aren’t ideal if you’re looking for a feminine girl who has wife/mother potential.
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The gym is not what keeps you thin. It’s the diet and self control. The saying “abs are made in the kitchen” exists for a good reason, you can’t outexercise a bad diet.
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“The gym is not what keeps you thin. It’s the diet and self control. The saying “abs are made in the kitchen” exists for a good reason, you can’t outexercise a bad diet.”
exactly right.
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“in the gym” == in the center of the cock carousel???
For fuck’s sake, have you ever been to a gym? This is exactly the kind of demonization that comes from people only listening to their ideology’s scare stories without finding things out for themselves.
girls do not have to be gym rats to stay thin. they can easily stay in good shape just by eating right, walking, jogging, hiking, etc. and even without all the exercise most girls can maintain a healthy weight just by keeping their diet under control.
“Gym rats” is one of the most nonsensical slurs out there. And that’s saying something. What makes people “rats” just because they work out? Maybe people who don’t work out should be called “couch rats”. Has nothing to do with rats, but hey, honesty is so yesterday.
No, they don’t need the gym to stay THIN. But it’s damn good for shaping the body. The ass won’t stay round and firm by itself as women age, regardless of how little she weighs.
Frankly, I’m always amazed by people’s condemnations and absurd image of gyms – people who don’t work out by themselves. Or who go running at the most – yeah, real good for your body, enjoy the pancake ass and the loss of muscle mass. This gym hostility is especially common among the Left, as many leftists hate the thought of men lifting weights and gaining strength, but it also affects some people on the Right. Especially in the U.S. it seems, one of the fattest nations on earth. Not hard to see where the attitude comes from.
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Breastfeeding and chasing around little ones burns more than enough calories
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Breastfeeding and chasing around little ones burns more than enough calories
Ah, so that’s why all the Black and Arab women are so slim and fit. We should emulate them and stop doing exercise. Right?
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Reading more of these discussions articulating desirable mate qualities I intuitively recognised but couldn’t name a year ago before I came to the manosphere… it’s making me realise how my fondest fling had even more of them than I realised at the time.
Although she is far away she will serve me well as my template for the future.
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Meatball is on the money. My wife is 40 and is in nearly as good shape as when we met when she was 18. This is after three kids. Sure she’s not as firm as she was 22 years ago, but I still like tearing it up. She exercises some, but the breastfeeding takes the baby weight off fast. Combine breastfeeding with the self-control to eat right (and skip the grande mochaccinos) and thereis no need for hours in the gym.
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“Emphasis on beauty and youth.”
when getting ready to take the plunge –
make sure you see every female relative of your future wife. mother is most important if she is still lean and attractive for her age that is a good sign but older sisters aunts cousins are all good indicators. if they are all hot and thin the odds are in your favor. this is one reason those potentially dreadful family events are useful – scoping the genes
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boom
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Absolutely check out the Mom…
If you are doing your diligence on the girl, make sure she is sexually compatible with you… that is far more important than things you have in common, her IQ etc. Looks and sexual compatibility you can work with over the long haul… if you don’t have that at the start you won’t ever get it. It will only get worse over time.
Also a good indicator is her wrist size and her upper arm, where deltoid tricep and bicep meet. If this is thin, she will likely stay thin. If this area is thicker she will be more prone to chunkiness.
What CH says is true… I met my wife at 21, she was a solid 8 and the sex was crazy good (I was N2 btw). Her hair color, face etc. was personal 10 stuff for me… She was my best at that point because she hit all the notes. Her mom was in great shape in her 40’s. I did the math – this was back when you were expected to get married at some point – and figured this was very good stuff here, might as well lock it down. And we were married at 23.
Was she smart – yeah she is smart but she doesn’t do anything with it… we had a lot of common interests – music, travel etc… Flash forward 27 years now… Well most of your conversation at this point – 75 – 80% – is kids, logistics and the business of marriage. She has no time to pursue much that also interests me and vice verse…
BUT – even after 5 kids and a few wrinkles at 48 YO – she is still one of the hottest women around. Keeps the body of a BeBe mannequin, eats right, exercises… even after 1,000’s of romps in the sack, I still have interest in her and passion for her.
I pity dudes who chose wrong in this department, like, marriage would truly be a hell then.
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Dumped one chick after she completely failed the Mom Test, and on top of it mentioned getting a “little” chubby and being “proud of it”.
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Good point, however I’ve seen the startling converse to this:
In my apt complex, there’s this fat gal yet her mom has a rocking figure. The mom makes visits once in a while and she’s killing it. Not the prettiest of faces, but nice smile and makes me wonder what in the hell happened to the daughter.
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Her dad is a lardass.
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Her dad is a lardass.
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anti depressants are usually the culprit when the mom is skinny and daughter is fat.
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“When getting ready to take the plunge,” change your mind!
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Some guys prefer relationship minded 7s Especially north Asian women over a high maintenance 8+ white gir
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high maintenance has become a beta rationalization term. most often it means “I’m not high enough SMV to maintain her”.
What’s high maintenance to you is decidedly low maintenance to Leonardo DeCaprio.
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I wonder if you’ve met any South Koreans. They’re possibly the most status-obsessed, materialistic people in the world.
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Strapon, Ive met rich Singaporeans, Indonesians, Chinese…all hungry c0ckwh0res. Status is most important though you are just stating obvious. But status is not exclusively limited to finances; see broke biker who cucked billionaire heir in OZ
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Thanks, but T-Rex was talking about North Asia.
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south or north – wasnt the point of comment
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Im not feelin you bro; hop in my beemer and lets go sarge on some hot blondes…
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Hey you fuckwhit… stop stealing my lines. Bitches man…
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Some guys prefer relationship minded 7s Especially north Asian women over a high maintenance 8+ white gir
7s can’t be low on the scale now. Such rating inflation will eventually make most of the ten-point scale redundant. Already people refrain from ever calling a date a 6, and just to be on the safe side many say 7.5 instead of 7.
In my mind 6 means “attractive”, period. 5 is homely. 7s are the most attractive girls in a high-school-sized group (because that’s where me and a couple of buddies worked out the definitions). 8 is attractive on a professional level – on par with women who get roles on TV mainly because of their looks. 9 is physically perfect, while 10 is physically perfect with a special charisma shining through. (When you see it you know what that means.)
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I would say arb that 5 is average looking, not homely. The line between Bang and WNB is crossed somewhere here.
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I agree T Rex. I think some guys with their heads screwed on straight realize that if it is really going to be for the long haul, you’d better not get too obsessed with whether the woman is in 8 or 7, for example. You’d better instead think of what it’s going to be like after the age of 50 and 60 and, regardless of her previous beauty, not worth assigning an SMV rating to.
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[Or, more colloquially]
Remember, son, no matter how good she may look now, somebody, somewhere is tired of putting up with her shit.
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“Looks must next be considered; they are the first thing that strikes us and they ought to be the last, still they should not count for nothing. …
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“Great beauty is rather to be shunned than sought after in marriage. …
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“Possession soon exhausts our appreciation of beauty; in six weeks’ time we think no more about it, but its dangers endure as long as life itself. …
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“Unless a beautiful woman is an angel, her husband is the most miserable of men.”
— Rousseau, philosopher and infamous lothario, in Emile
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Or, put more colloquially:
“Remember, son, no matter how good she may look now, somebody, somewhere is tired of putting up with her shit.”
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lol, whenever I see a white man with an Asian woman, I think of a loser(especially if they are close in age and he’s younger than 45) who can’t get the equivalent white girl. I’m sure some really awesome guys just prefer slanted eyes and the bodies of prepubescent boys, but I doubt there are that many.
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And the reverse perspective for some quick sanitation: Do your standards lower for one night stands? Of course. I and every other man whose stepped in a bar has said to himself “meh,, I’d hit it” about a marginal girl.
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Yep.
Though when people write about it online, every girl is at least a 7. I always remember a guy’s lyrical description of a “solid 7” he had met at a night club. Later in the thread he posted two pictures of her, and she was horse faced. In my eyes she was a 4; one step below homely, ugly without being terribly so. But definitely not a 7 (very attractive) or even a 6 (attractive).
Yet he kept talking about how hot she was. I don’t think he was consciously dishonest – he thought she was hot because she had slept with him, and that’s what was on his mind, the pleasure of getting laid.
It was very enlightening.
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According to teh interwebz a huge majority of guys spend their Saturday nights fighting off 9s with a stick. lolz. Average men get average women. 5, 6, 7s. The only men I know in real life who have bedded/wedded *objective* 8/9s (one girl is a fitness model who has appeared in national publications and the other is a catalog model) are not just handsome and charming, but exceptional in some way, e.g. division one athlete, successful entrepreneur and owner of a non-blue collar business.
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Game denialist! You’re worse than the climate change deniers, which is almost as bad as the holocaust deniers.
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Game realist.
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More beautiful women also negotiate more committment…. because they can. This river flows in both directions.
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truth. even men who never plan on settling down will often change their tune when they come across a really beautiful woman who also has a lot of other traits that really float his boat.
most of us want to find and settle down with a very hot girl who is feminine, sweet, smart, great wife/mom material, who has similar values and a personality that is compatible with ours AND, most importantly, she is totally devoted and in love with us.
the way people talk, you’d think women like that were everywhere. but the reality is, most of us don’t encounter very many women like that in our lifetimes. and very rarely do we get to keep them for ourselves. it could be logistics problems, bad timing, personality conflicts, whatever. most of the time we have to make concessions and give up this to have that or that to have this. that it is how it is with everything in life.
but that’s not what we want. we want the best.
so when we do get ahold of a good one, it’s hard to let them go. and frankly, in most cases, it would be pretty damn asinine to do so.
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I think people often make the mistake of thinking a woman’s looks are only correlated with their own sexual pleasure and there are more important things than their sexual pleasure when it comes to family. But I suspect nature didn’t create female beauty for no reason at all and it signals mate quality.
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exactly.
there is a reason that men are universally attracted to certain traits in women. their physical traits are all representative of something. it’s not just for our visual enjoyment. there’s a reason behind all of it.
long healthy hair=good health now and most likely a history of good health as well. full breasts=most likely to produce ample amounts of milk for babies. sure, itty bitties can do the job but they don’t carry as much milk so you have to feed the baby more often. fuller breasts carry more. that means fewer feedings. more time for other things and the baby stays satisfied longer. small waist, full hips and ass=built for pregnancy, childbirth, and carrying babies around after they’re born. big bright eyes that are proportionate to her face=she’s got something going on upstairs. whether it’s her intelligence, her soul energy or whatever. the eyes do really tell all. dull and beady or just small or too close together and you’ve got an indication that something isn’t quite right. could go on and on but like i said, there’s a reason behind all of it.
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what color is she?
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james/thwack trolling again with the same old line. And yet, I suspect CH keeps him around because he is such a clear example of the pathetic Negro mind.
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do you just control-f for the word “babies” and then ask “which color is she”?
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eyes yeah.
you basically want the opposite of the thousand cock stare. big, clear, bright eyes that are also sort of warm and inviting. this is a huge indicator of good health (physical and mental), good genetics, intelligence, etc.
that’s why most of us are so turned off and unsettled when we see people who have eyes that aren’t quite right. it is a clue that something is wrong with them on a deeper level.
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The eyes are a window to the hole
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Only when they’re brown… which matches.
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full breasts=most likely to produce ample amounts of milk for babies.
Full, firm breasts also signal youth. But you are right of course, about long and healthy hair, breasts and hips.
There is also the hip-to-waist ratio: it has been shown that even blind men prefer a certain hip-to-waist ratio, which coincidentally is the one that leads to the least miscarriages.
Some other traits:
Clear eyes – health
Good breath, good teeth – health
Small nose – youth (never stops growing)
Small ears – youth (never stop growing)
Slim shoulders – youth
Short face – youth (also never stops growing, gets elongated with time)
Wide cheekbones – youth (gives the impression that the face is less elongated)
Smooth skin – health
Clear voice – health, youth
Straight back – health
And of course, slim shoulders etc are signs of estrogen trumping testosterone. Giving the woman good child-bearing capacity.
Youth, health, good capacity to have children and to survive to take care of them. Sometimes it needs to be spelled out. This is evolutionary psychology.
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Greg Eliot on June 5, 2015 at 7:27 pm
Only when they’re brown… which matches.
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the photpsympathetic cell converts radiation into mass.
Guess what color it is?
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Muh science.
Quest For Relevancy.
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My intestines convert steak and lobster into mass.
Guess what color it is.
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Dey all pink on duh inside.
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I’d rather have pink eye.
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Arbiter, I’m not trying to be anal, but do you have a link to the blind men thing? I think it’s interesting and I’d like to read more about it. I’d prefer the study itself, but some secondary source would be ok too.
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In my extended family, the three most common situations for the men seem to be:
1) date around but eventually marry a woman more attractive than any of his previous girlfriends.
2) get one average-looking girlfriend in high school or college and marry her.
3) go without any girlfriend, eventually get attention from female trash and marry her.
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what’s Bill Clinton’s excuse?
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speaking of your precious future wife…
“Almost half of women have admitted to thinking about another man while they were making love with their current partner, according to a new study.”
“And for many women, that fantasy figure is close to home with the majority picturing a close friend or colleague at work.”
“A further 31 per cent of women and 23 per cent of men have slept again with their first love years after they broke up.”
“All this fantasising about past loves is seen as harmless fun by 60 per cent of women”
if she’s not looking back at you when you got her in doggie… well…
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She can’t look back when you’re shoving her face into the pillow.
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thats why we smack that ass and make em say our name:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iL2vkquxw
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Alpha fux beta bux, yet again.
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speaking of your precious future wife…
“Almost half of women have admitted to thinking about another man while they were making love with their current partner, according to a new study.”
Yes, those evil women. Be glad you don’t have to deal with them, cook this. MGTOW, right?
It’s a long life. Sex is had thousands of times. Anyone who says he has never thought of another woman while having sex is lying. Or doesn’t have much sex.
Once again: tradcon dogma putting women on a pedestal, or incel dogma trying to find any possible way to get back at women, are both detrimental to the manosphere.
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Not just what you’re saying, but plenty of women fuck subpar men that don’t even make them cum. One of the two girls I fuck(and an ex of mine) has a wimpy boyfriend and I’m sure she thinks of other men when he fucks her.
A friend of mine fucked two exes of his that had boyfriends too. Which is why I laugh each time Westerners fall for the ‘traditional’ Eastern European women thing. They’re traditional in the sense that they prefer money to charisma, but that’s about it. The actually good girls wouldn’t really move hundreds of miles away from their families anyway.
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That’s why they invented mirrors… don’t need her bitchin’ later about a sore neck.
You fairy.
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Then pretty much no girls in the west are worth marrying nowadays, especially looking at the potential. Be like finding a needle in a haystack with the current feminist media popularity. If she’s hot, you’re just gonna be one of the 10-20 alpha cocks she’s devoured, which will have fucked with her personality and femininity. If she’s ok, you’re gonna be one of the 40.
General rule: she should always be doubting whether she’s good enough for you, settling for non-marriage or tween from Costa Rica is a the best bet (places hand on shoulder)
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Yeah, mission impossible in today’s world, especially with the popularity of feminist propaganda
Hot girls my age have usually fucked 4 guys and that’s before 21
General rule: she should always be doubting she’s good enough for you. Therefore under 24 or tween from Costa Rica is best bet (places hand on shoulder)
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lol, if you want a girl that didn’t sleep around, you must be either her first boyfriend or her second boyfriend. After that, the dam breaks and it might as well be 45 men. There are plenty of girls who hold out, some guy pops their cherry and by the next year they fucked two dozen men.
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When judging a man by his woman, I look at how pretty/feminine/nice she is and I look at how she treats him.
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yep. how she treats him is a big one.
i have a couple friends with bitchy disrespectful girls. they think they are doing what’s right by staying with them because of kids or whatever. but they really aren’t doing any favors for the kids at all. the kids are just going to grow up and be just like them because the example of “normal” that they are going to have. and no matter how much i love my buds, when i see them put up with subpar women who disrespect them, i can’t help but think of them as weak and pitiful.
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You get what you don’t enforce… women follow men leading. Your friends need to learn that.
“weak and pitiful” is right.
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Indeed, and that leads to a note about divorce:
It isn’t good to have a society with a high divorce rate. However, the solution is not to advocate that immature people to stay together. What we need is people brought up to be mature and disciplined, who spend their youth improving and educating themselves and becoming better. People who are pleasant and hard-working and know themselves, so they are good people to be around. So couples don’t HAVE to get a divorce.
Too often we talk about banning this or allowing that, subsidizing this or lowering taxes on that. These are valid discussions, but the underlying problem is to a large degree a people’s character. Which can only be changed if we go one step further still, and address the whole package: the media owners and mass immigration.
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Right you are… the old maxim goes:
“If you have to pass a law, it’s already too late.”
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I’ve had numerous business colleagues express awe about the respect and admiration shown to me by my wife in public. I laugh and respond ” I trained her well”
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Guide the people by law, subdue them by punishment; they may shun crime, but will be void of shame.
Guide them by example, subdue them by courtesy; they will learn shame, and come to be good.
— Confuckius
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Labelling women into two groups…not going to work there.
I can recall plethora of (and also unfortunately experienced a few) feminine, respectful, cute girls…yet they swing the carousel and you dont even know it
You bang for a few months , only to find they got long tem bf or husband or sucidal orbiter.
Trust but verify ..well , except for that trust part.
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Beta male with no charm, no body, no money is called an Omega male.
This type would LOVE to marry the first girl who is offering her vagina. SMV matters, but very little. All he wants is a steady supply of sex.
He has very little options, even an ugly and old feminist might be precious for him.
Beta male with no charm, no body but a payed job as in “has his own place, car and 10K saved” is called a lesser beta.
This type would LOVE to marry the first girl who is offering her vagina. SMV matters but not all too much. All he wants is a steady supply of sex.
He has few options, but even an ugly, overweight, feminist might be acceptable for him, as long as she is not too old for children. He can get a loan after all!
Beta male with little game, average body and a decent job is called “beta male” -> the average dude we know who is a “decent and good guy”.
He had few girlfriends in his youth, maybe was with a 4-6 in college and is now working on his career. The hot girls 7+ never wanted him when he was younger but now that he is ~30 – so are they. And suddenly he might be the best option for a former 7/8 who is now getting close to 30-35.
He has a few options but all he wants is a decent looking wife, who is not too old to get his children and is able to have a conversation with his parents.
Alas, said women never wanted a beta. They had dreams of a prince charming and he is their best option now but maybe the lowest ranking man they had sex with in the past 10 years. Problems are almost certain.
Beta male with little game, ok body and a good job or decent money (as in 250K++ net worth with own house, nice car, nice cloths, nice gadgets and monthly surplus is a greater beta. It is here that the man starts having real choice. It is here that he makes deeper considerations regarding his wife. Not sooner. Only at this level he has experience and has had his fair share of women/sex/relationships so he knows what he wants AND HAS THE POWER TO CHOOSE. The lower male tiers do not have this freedom of choice. It is here, in the top 20% of men, that the first males with options surface.
Alpha males with game or naturals, with alpha bodies and an alpha life but maybe too young to have money or too lazy for a career are lesser alpha men. These guys will get a lot of sex. These guys enjoy the company of many women. They know how to replace them, get fresh pussy and in general have a full life. Here the options are many. Here the considerations of a potential wife are long and deep. Even a perfect woman might not make the cut because he “does not feel ready” yet. He knows he can get another one. This is very close to the prince charming most women dream of.
Alpha males around 30-35++ with tons of money, tons of experience, solid game and overconfidence are true alphas. Harem land. This is when true male love is first possible. He had 50 perfect 10s in his life. But now there is this one snowflake who is not like the rest. He knows this because he KNOWS A GOOD CHUNK OF THE REST – lesser men lack this experience and this experience is crucial. Without it you cant tell this one special snowflake is indeed the love of your life and not one of a million.
The greater alpha is a regular alpha with fame. People know his face, know his life. Teenage girls have his poster in their rooms. Teenage boys dream to be him. A woman can consider herself lucky is he chooses her into his inner circle of maybe 50 women he considers “special”.
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Interesting that no one has talked about the importance of loyalty. I put that up there with feminine/sweet/agreeable/pretty.
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Loyalty would be akin to what I was calling “spirituality” above. Superficial cheerfulness and optimism and femininity won’t do a damned bit of good if she’s disloyal or if she’s a nihilist.
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good point S man; the “hide this gun for me” test is a key component of any good wife evaluation.
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You’re a funny guy… really funny, Tommy.
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“I know there are women, like my best friends, who would have gotten out of there the minute their boyfriend gave them a gun to hide. But I didn’t. I got to admit the truth. It turned me on.”
— Karen
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Loyalty comes from the withdrawal of government protection and support of women, of women being exposed to their survival needs and instincts, but ultimately a patriarchy that treats women like property or nothing worth supporting. Loyalty from a wife comes from bros before hoes, but it takes a philosopher to see that and appreciate the power of patriarchy. “With great power comes great responsibility.”
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I would say loyalty and the other traits you mention are included in Personality; people don’t forget about it, but it would be tiresome to write a long list.
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Loyalty from a woman?
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The little incel troll braying about how evil women are once again. Tilikum is the fat old loner who says:
“A woman is not a person!”
“Women are not humans!”
“Who the fuck cares what a woman thinks?” (This in a thread about a CH post addressing exactly that, how women think – but he is too much of a coward to criticize CH directly, so he’ll find someone in the thread who says the same thing as CH instead and complain there.)
And after he had declared he doesn’t care what a woman thinks: “Amy, send your email address to my blog, I want to ask you something.” LOL
Pathetic loner, infesting manosphere forums just to spew out his hatred of those who won’t go near him.
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Arbitox!
I didn’t realize school was out and Summer Vacation had started already!
If it was me I’d do an Engrish immersion class before fall semester and just bone up a bit on your delivery. We can tell you are ESL but just barely.
I’d say another year or so of just speaking/writing Engrish and you will sound like a native!
Really proud of your effort though bud!
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I write a woman’s oaths in water.
— Sophocles
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aaaaaaaaannnnnnnnddd…. mod…
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Yup….just had that happened right now
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Sad little men who can’t get laid…all on one blog
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Yes, but that’s Jezebel – why are you telling us about that?
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😀
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So tell us sad little men how you do it trollballer
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Be more tolerant and accepting (i.e. chuck those shallow male standards) and a whole new dating pool of chubs and fugs is your smelly oyster.
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I believe it misspelled the handle it intended. In isn’t Dante, it is Dainty.
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Game question for YaReally and the gang…how do you handle a situation where your phone accidentally calls a girl you never wanted to talk to? I have a few of these situations where my phone is bouncing around and then I look later or I get a text from some chick I can’t remember or worse that I’m in No Contact with and the phone has ghost dialed her number.
In one case I got “Who is this?” and I just ignored it. I couldn’t figure out why some random girl I could barely remember kept texting me. Then I checked and for some reason my phone bouncing in my pocket must have ghost dialed her phone.
It’s worse because it dialed a girl I’m now freezing out. She never called but it looks weird.
A few colleagues drew my attention to this saying “Did you call me?” I said no. Then checked and my phone had dialed them.
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Another too general article. How many men “with options” are out there ? I guess less than 10%, even 5%… The whole analysis is about imponderables.
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Question;
I have a friend who asked me this and baffled me. What if a girl keeps calling you “bro” or “brother”? He showed me her texts and it read something like “May you have a great day, brother” or some shit.
I know she is trying to be funny and 18th century style
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What I told him to reply with; “Should I call you ‘your grace’ or can I call you Cersei?” (GoT reference of an incestuous queen)
Did I dun goof? Either way I think he is an orbiter already so w/e
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Lots of brat remarks are deserved – and if she persists, veiled comments about incest is best – assuming he’s banging her that is. And if he’s not, why is he wasting his time with her?
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total agreement here. i don’t even like it when girls call me dude. it’s masculine and immature and usually a sure sign that the girl will have other masculine qualities that i will also dislike.
brother or bro? that’s just weird. it’s masculine and immature like calling you dude so she’s obviously trying to come off as the cool girl who can hang with the guys. but it also sounds like an attempt to make it clear that your buddy is in the friendzone and she wants to keep him there.
wouldn’t waste my time with that one.
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what color are you?
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The james/thwack troll repeating the same old line.
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Physical beauty vs. other qualities like hot-meal-every-night beauty must be traded off against each other if the guy can’t ‘have it all’, period. Female beauty is not unlimited; it is perishable wealth. We are realists living in the world of conservation, right? If a guy does not have to ‘settle’ in one wife, he did settle by having just one wife. Is he going to trade her in later or just cheat on her? Why not a harem of de facto wives with a steady supply of young virgins? Why not the moon while we are at it. lol Should a man get everything he wants in life? We have a term for that: spoiled brats. Any man who is satisfied simply by being #1 in a socially relative way is no better than an animal or a woman.
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I guess the Tom Brady rule cuts the other way. Sure I’d pick Famke Janssen over Giselle but when you’re juggling dimes…he put a ring on the 10 that’s cray wifey.
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real men use bidets.
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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OT – a year of publishing books ONLY by wymyn authorz! (Does Caitlyn Jenner count?) – she looks *exactly* how you’d expect her to look
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jun/05/kamila-shamsie-2018-year-publishing-women-no-new-books-men?utm_content=buffer5cacf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife
So for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you
…..
[Spoken:]
Say man!
Hey baby!
I saw your wife the other day!
Yeah?
Yeah, an’ she’s ug-leeee!
Yeah, she’s ugly, but she sure can cook, baby!
Yeah, alright!
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-orleans-restaurant-extremely-apologetic-n-word-receipt-n363431
Waiter writes n-bomb and”100% Dislike” on a customer’s receipt. Customer’s mother posts to Facebook with the caption “we need an advocate and lawyer ASAP.”
Bad WORDS used + FEELINGS hurt = sue and attention.
Enjoy The Decline.
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As many waiters and waitresses have said, Black customers don’t tip and they leave a mess behind. They are only a negative for a restaurant. Parasites.
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I can only conclude that some of you get an erotic thrill from doom porn.
These are good signs for our side, Mel. The great mushy middle is being forced to separate. It is no longer possible to be moderate on the questions of sex and race. The insane left is “immantizing the eschaton,” i.e., you are with Caitlyn Jenner or you are against us. You are for the tyranny of words or you are for open speech and thinking.
It used to be one could live a private life without having to declare one’s opinion on buggery or what punishments should be doled out for the use of certain words. Now we all must publicly declare our impassioned joy at tranny magazine covers or our despondency that somebody somewhere was triggered by a racist Winnie The Pooh book. Our circumstance is not unlike the transparent absurdity of more forthright tyrannies, towards which the cultural marxists are rapidly careering:
When the enemy is in the process of destroying itself, do not interfere. Rejoice. I swear, you fellows are going to off yourselves the day before redemption.
Matt
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Yes, this is pretty basic.
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It depends on who is getting married. Charles Murray describes the SuperZips marriages as dynastic affairs like a corporate merger. There like European royalty family wealth and connections matter most. The women look hideous, but come with trust funds. [The men aren’t much either.]
For the Middle and lower Upper class, yeah looks matter. But its a mixture of qualities. Men might trade off on looks a bit to assure paternity by reaching a minimum floor of IQ (smarter women don’t get swept up by tingles for the pool boy and produce bastard spawn sure to blow up a family and … money/upward mobility). Athleticism matters, as well as personality and outlook. No one wants ugly kids, or stupid ones for that matter. Stupidity in daughters is really dangerous — a man can end up with genetic extinction if his daughter goes full Lewinsky. I’d dissent from CH and say for women an IQ of a bit MORE than 130 is essential so daughters can see through the Oprah-esque lies and avoid the tingle-temptation to throw away marriage and kids for a Bubba-fling that goes nowhere. White women around 100-130 IQs seem self-extinguishing on the carousel, whereas those just a bit smarter like Tina Fey (even 15 points is enough for women to see through the lies of modern culture) get it personally even if they publicly bow to the lies.
Its the flipside of masculinity. Bruce Willis is a fine, masculine looking man. But so are his daughters, unfortunately. They inherited his masculine jaw and brow. That’s why women will often choose more delicate featured men as a hedge against really ugly daughters.
I don’t think most men will trade off to ugly to get a min floor of female IQ. But they probably will trade off a bit for beauty to get a bit more brains. NEVER has it been so important (no social/cultural safety net against stupid moves) for a man to select a wife unlikely to cheat and produce daughters in particular who are smart enough to avoid the carousel or Alpha Widowhood.
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What do you mean by high maintenance? T-Rex
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All pussy feels the same after a year. The best bet is going for the girl with the largest trust fund. Then doing whatever you want on the side.
That is if you have options. Money is really the only thing to marry for providing she’s still a 9. IF you don’t have unlimited options then its a bit more of a trade off.
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Lyrics got hung up in mod. . .will this pass?
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Love that tune. And I always make sure it gets played at any company parties.
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It is very much possible that I lack the experience, but I think these days with all the knowledge available, hotter girls are generally likely to be smarter and have more self-control than a ugly girl.
Beauty these days, is not something that you are born with, but something that is cultivated with years of hard work, and self-control. If the girl is smart, she will be able to gather and implement the knowledge to make herself more attractive to guys. If she is ugly, it probably means she doesnt understand the basic thing that attracts guys.
Dating ultimately is a sales position. Guys and girls are selling their value to the opposite sex. An ugly girl and a beta guy is ultimately a bad salesman, has poor self-control, is most likely less intelligent.
intelligence, self-control (future-orientation) are probably the best indicators where you will end up in life.
IMO
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Have to disagree. Ask any teacher. There are frequent dumb attractive girls. These are easy game prospects as they never think too far ahead. Many ugly smart girls around but without enough common sense to try and up their attractiveness with things they have control of. Nose job, weight loss, make up, working out. We are at the point where any sub 130lb girl starts at a 6 on the attractive scale.
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Yeah. I agree. It’s very much possible that can just have good genes or you just happen to have friends who are all into fashion or you have too much money. In these cases a girl will be hotter on average, even though she is not hot purely by self development.
Which is why I said “generally speaking.” Another way to see it is if you could measure “self-control” and “intelligence” for all girls and then plot a bar chart of these values for various grades of beauty (HB #), in general girls with higher beauty will have higher self control and intelligence. Probably a S shaped curve. Because girls who are 1s and 10s have higher contribution from good genes.
The same goes for guys.
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Outer appearance is reflection of inner aptitude (or qualities).
But thats not true, right? Right? Go hamster spin and tell em…
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Attractive people have a higher average IQ than ugly people. Good genes come with good genes. The physical signals the health of the whole.
This has been shown in tests using a simple but effective method: have men and women look at photographs and rate the attractiveness of the people in them. Then look at what IQ those people have.
Furthermore, simply look at the peoples of the world. Arabs are more attractive than Blacks and have a higher IQ. Persians are more attractive than Arabs and have a higher IQ. Whites are more attractive than Persians and have a higher IQ.
Back in history, Indians in the north-eastern U.S. were lighter and looked a lot better than the Plains Indians, and also had more advanced societies, with clay homes and tools etc.
East Asians are definitely more attractive than Southeast Asians and have a higher IQ.
Lighter-skinned people in northern India look better than dark-skinned Dravidians in southern India, and were the ones with the more advanced culture.
There is one discrepancy: Jews are unattractive but have a high IQ. Or so we are told. But as the linguistic part has been removed more and more from IQ tests, their test results have plummeted. Israel’s average IQ is only 95. (You might say that’s because they have a lot of Arabs living in Israel, but so do Western nations, whose IQ average still remains at 100.) It seems they are an anomaly, gifted with a clever use of words but lacking real, practical innovation. Or to put it another way, they go to Harvard to study law and journalism, they don’t go to MIT. In the other direction we have copy-copy Asians who go to MIT but who don’t write best-sellers or write captivating speeches. A balance is best. And finally, there seems to be a creative spirit aside from IQ, one that can’t be measured but that can clearly be seen in how Whites stand for 97 percent of all inventions and discoveries from the Renaissance and onward.
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White people are over rated
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ROFL@”but lacking real, practical innovation”
Seriously, you’re a fuckwit sometimes. Jews are GREAT at things that require ABSTRACT thinking. That’s why they don’t excel at MIT, which is engineering based, but they wreck in mathematics and physics. They won a third of the Nobel prizes in physics last century and half of the ones this century. When the Nazis rose to power in Germany, a third of mathematics professors there were Jewish. Plus, if I had my pick, I’d rather go to Princeton to study mathematics than at MIT.
And Israelis are both Ashkenazi and Sephardi, only the former having the high IQs. Not to mention that a quarter of Israelis aren’t Jews and that there are differences between diaspora Jews and the ones in Israel.
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You clearly have never been to MIT.
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I could have married a nine, but she was too focused on herself and her career. So I married a seven and had a bunch of kids. She’s in her 50s now, and looks a lot better than the nine I could have married 25 years ago.
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“how many men with options”
I wager ~90-95% of able bodied men, no?
How many AWARE of options,
and how many with the ABILITY to exercise those options.
But then hey, the Maitre d’Chateau would have to spend much more energy chasing poon and not have time for the blog.
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Yeah you won’t be able to convince anyone, troll. CH is older now, but no one will doubt his prowess, past – or present. He has posted many examples from his own experiences. Invented, you say? People can’t put on an act forever online, their real selves shine through. CH’s writings are based on not only Science, but obvious experience to a degree that one such as you could never accomplish.
Now go oink some more.
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the Sperg is strong in this one.
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Ha. Spastic foreign goon. What country are you from? Which huddled mass do you belong to? You are CH’s very own Polack exchange student.
You’ve turned ass kissing into anallingus, bootlicking into a sloppy Rex Ryan foot job.
Your brown nosing is literal.
You’re an online saliva bidet.
Matt
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Your French sucks more than three prostitutes combined. lol
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Speaking of Alpha Game, Vox once wrote that a man will marry a woman who may be a little below his standards, because the most attractive women also tend to be the craziest, an observation CH has made on multiple occasions also. Provided you’re not trading down to an obese woman with short hair, the trade off seems worth it to me.
[CH: i don’t think most pretty girls are crazy. i think that stereotype, if it even exists, is overblown. most crazy chicks are those chubby feminist types with purple hair.]
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Solid. One of the best posts
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mods? are you there?
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I read that there were three takes before they got the final shot. Someone needs to give Emma an enema,
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Mr. Heartiste, Why are all the played out womens falling out of the sky when I quoted the lyrics to this particular song on my Fag facebook?
Oh my love,
I know I am a cold cold man.
Quite slow to pay you compliments.
Or public displayed affections.
But baby don’t you go over-analyze,
No need to theorize
I can put your doubts to rest.
You’re the only one worth seeing.
The only place worth being.
The only bed worth sleeping’s
the one right next to you.
You’re the only one worth seeing.
The only place worth being.
The only bed worth sleeping’s
the one right next to you.
Oh my love,
I know you’re used to desperate men.
Who say the words that others said,
For too long and for too often.
But baby you can lay off a little bit,
No need to smother it
I can put your doubts to rest.
You’re the only one worth seeing.
The only place worth being.
The only bed worth sleeping’s
the one right next to you.
You’re the only one worth seeing.
The only place worth being.
The only bed worth sleeping’s
the one right next to you.
Read more: Saint Motel – Cold Cold Man Lyrics | MetroLyrics
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How much willpower does it take to put on a condom/pull out? If the thought of impregnating her scares you, she ain’t wifey. And that’s mostly related to how hot she is. Likewise, if she has a strong aversion to your jizz, she’s not that attracted to you.
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“Likewise, if she has a strong aversion to your jizz, she’s not that attracted to you.”
If you’re fucking her, who cares?
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Science tells us arousal dampens disgust. Therefore, low arousal= increased chance of thinking your jizz is icky. High arousal= Blow jobs are definitely on the table.
It only matters if you’re worried about being cheated on. Context matters too. There are still girls out there who are very easily disgusted.
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There was a time, long ago, when the average, reasonable man could perceive a number of legitimate reasons to marry. Long ago; but not today…
Now, the only reason I can see for it nowadays is to make it easier to spend more quality time with a woman you do not actually want to get away from right after you have both have fallen off the bed and had to finish the act somewhere in a hall-way..
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A solid 10 brings her own kind of logic…
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Can’t disagree with that.
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A solid 11 brings total raving madness.
It is all good…
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no shit asshole. keep regurgitating shit from 2008-2010. theres a reason quality has dropped
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I wouldn’t be so gratuitously insulting, but you’re right, repetition has become a serious problem here. Like a stand-up comedian stuck on retelling the jokes that made him famous.
It’s mostly the stale game stuff. Alpha/beta/I lurve science/etc. There’s more promising material in his blunt critique of the culture more generally.
Matt
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Cultural critique is getting kinda depressing, not that we don’t need it.
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OT: http://nationalvanguard.org/2015/06/convicted-child-sex-abuser-allegedly-hosted-and-honored-by-idfs-chief-rabbi/
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Here’s one for the Chateau.
Of late, there has been some analysis of popular films, with an eye towards using them as thought pieces to drive a discussion about Chateau-focused issues.
I therefore put forward “Dead Ringers” for analysis. And very much look forward to that analysis.
≠
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The “game” matches my observations of reality. I lived on a Caribbean island for several years where single men outnumbered single women about 7 to 1. There were very few hot women and they pretty much had their pick of the men. But there was a small cadre of alpha males who had THEIR pick of the women (especially the tourists).
There seemed to be a relationship between a woman’s beauty and her craziness. The super hot ones kept getting pumped and dumped by the super alpha males. You would have hot tourist women who were lawyers or doctors chasing after these 20 something super alpha men. It was hilarious and pathetic.
Then I moved to Washington DC. Different kind of super alpha men there, but you still had all the alpha women chasing after them. Most of the super alpha men had the sense not to have sex with just any hot girl (most but not all…Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky for example).
The best we can do is learn about ourselves and decide just how much female BS we are willing to accept. Of you know what is going on and what you personal boundaries are you have a better chance for hooking up with the woman you want in the way you want.
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So what is your observation on what makes these guys alphas?
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[…] The Chateau has been a destination for Crimson Pill pilgrims a long time, yet confusion about the functioning of the sexual market continues bedeviling a fair number of click-by readers. And not just at CH, but at other ostensibly Realtalk outposts. […]
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Man, you dudes think small.
Marry a woman who will take care of the home and kids, and you, regardless of her looks. These women are RARE.
Hot sluts are EVERYWHERE. Bang them on the side to your hearts content. Who fucking cares, if she finds out she will never leave.
All this talk about picking out a wife like a car, finding all the little flaws or perfections… You fuckin dudes need to read another web site or something.
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CH – seriously what’s up with the mod? Is it broken or policy or what? Used to frustrating but stuff worked out. Now it never releases?
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Amen to what Sentient said. I still check the Eye Contact and Devalidation posts from weeks ago and nothing.
Atleast tell us what the rules are so we know what to avoid..
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My wife will look better than what I’ll settle for humping in a dry patch. I doubt my wife will the hottest woman I’ve fucked or even the hottest woman I’ve been out with, there are so many other boxes to tick before she enters into my family and mingles with my genes.
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Mods?
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in short, keeping up with this blog makes me feel ashamed to be a female. it cuts a bit too close for comfort to the truth.
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