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The Three Beta Male Mortal Sins

June 10, 2015 by CH

Beta males regularly commit three mortal sins that banish them to the Hell of Incel. They are listed here. Why are the Big Three Beta Male Sins against love of a mortal nature?

One, the sin involves a grave matter (failure to succeed at the Prime Darwinian Directive).

Two, the sin is often done with full knowledge of the uselessness of the act. Pubertal beta males can be forgiven for their ignorance of female nature, but older beta males have no excuse.

Three, the sin is done with the full consent of the will. Few beta males have ever been coerced or otherwise extorted to behave in ways that kill their chances with girls. He turns off girls all on his own.

Beta Male Mortal Sin #1

DEFENSIVENESS

When beta males are tested by women, their instinct is to crouch into a defensive ball like a cornered kitten, minus the claws and fangs. Defensiveness is the beta male go-to strategy, and it fails spectacularly every single time.

For instance, if a beta male is caught eyeballing another woman, his girl buddy might chastise him with a sneering “You think she’s cute,” in response to which the beta male is likely to apologetically self-renounce something along the lines of “I wasn’t looking at her,” or “Nah, she’s not my type.”

This, naturally, ruins the nascent flirtatious vibe that the girl buddy (and formerly potential girlfriend) was trying to stoke. She will typically respond to her Pyrrhic female victory over the submissive beta male by mentally shoving him deeper into the LJBF confinement zone.

The alpha male, by way of contrast, would reply “Yeah, she’s cute,” and leave it at that. A torrent of vagina tingles are sure to flow.

Beta Male Mortal Sin #2

STRAINING

Straining, or what is colloquially known as try-hardery and more substantively as approval-seeking behavior, is the second romance killer bug in the beta male character code. The straining beta male is the guy whose joke to impress a girl falls flat, who then tries to compensate by emphasizing the point of the joke to a crowd growing increasingly uncomfortable with his inability to ride the wave of his social miscue to a safe landing.

The straining of the beta male is evident in any number of ways: Multiple, lengthy texts to a girl replying once to him with a one-word quip; professing his love to a girl three weeks into a dating cycle; profusely apologizing for slights imagined in his head or concocted in the head of a sadistic woman; m’ladyism run amok; quoting Shakespeare in hopes of arousing a woman he considers his intellectual peer; buying a fresh round of drinks each time he enjoys the warming breeze of a batted, manipulative eyelash; bragging in the most transparently self-serving manner about his accomplishments as an office drone; and, most humorously, sometimes literally chasing after a girl leaving da club, whom he talked with for ten seconds.

Straining is a close cousin of bitterness, which women recoil from at emotional distances that are the square of the distance of the beta male’s pointless crotch to the woman’s turtling labial folds.

Beta Male Mortal Sin #3

PHYSICAL AWKWARDNESS

Hoverhand. An air kiss at the end of a tepid date. A dainty touch on a girl’s shirt sleeve before quickly withdrawing for fear of offense. A hug entered at a bad angle, bodies clashing discordantly. A sweet nothing whispered five feet from a girl’s ear. Body stiffness. Jerky head movements. Darting eyes. Deeply pocketed hands. Shuffling feet. Excessive nodding in approval that is mistaken for true bonding. Relentless smiling. Overeager laughing at a girl’s typically horrid stab at humor.

You’ve seen it in action, (maybe you’ve been prone to the same), the physical awkwardness of beta males is palpable, and palpably desiccating to all vaginas within a ten-mile field of view.

Physical awkwardness is even worse than social awkwardness, for a social misstep can be ignored, retrofitted into a social triumph, or quietly forgotten with the passing of an hour’s worth of masterful romantic interlude. But evidence of a physical discomfort with the boundaries of a woman’s body and heart is an unrecoverable betrayal of anhedonic beta maleness and inexperience bedding, as Amy Schumer, feminist blowhard, might say, “fuckable” girls.

You can get away with a lot of socially obtuse miscues if your body language speaks of the pompetous of love.

***

Almost all beta males share these three mortal vibe-killer sins. One of these sins could deep-six a beta’s chances with a girl; often, a beta male will commit all three sins in the course of a single evening in mixed company.

If you are a beta male who knows he must make penance for his sins against the one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church of Poon, then I have good news for you. Simply ridding yourself of the stain of the Three Beta Male Mortal Sins —

Defensiveness
Straining
Physical Awkwardness

— will pay outsized dividends towards the balance sheet of your love life. Any further spiritual development after that soul cleansing will be gash gravy on an already promising poon vocation.

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  1. on June 10, 2015 at 1:33 pm Mark Boris

    What has it been, 6 years? I’m amazed after all this time you’re still churning out quality content week after week. I’m going through your archives trying to catch up, (in the middle of 2011) and yet you write more new posts than I can read on my smoke breaks.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 1:46 pm PA

      Eight years. That’s twice as long as the career of a rock band. Of course, interesting times do provide interesting material.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 4:34 pm Ohiomega

      Brown-noser. I keed, I keed.

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  2. on June 10, 2015 at 1:34 pm trav777

    looking like a hipster should be on this list

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 5:08 pm King

      The Catechism of the Catholic Church #1857, 1859

      1857 — For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: “Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.” …

      1859 — Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law.

      HTH

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 9:27 pm Captain Obvious

        Nobel prize winner Sir Tim Hunt has an issue with female scientists — they’re too distracting romantically and they cry when criticized… “Let me tell you about my trouble with girls … three things happen when they are in the lab … You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you and when you criticise them, they cry…” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11664306/Nobel-chemist-Tim-Hunt-sexism-row-Female-scientists-are-distracting.html

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:37 am The Old Codger

        Soooo, big guy, what’s the penalty for committing these “mortal sins” from your Almighty, magical mystical, invisible super being, who loves you totally and is always willing to forgive and even because of his omniscience, knew you were going to commit that sin anyway?

        He gonna “F” you up and torment you forever? Ha! Some loving and all-forgiving being he is!

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:47 am King

        You’re already living “the penalty,” but you’re too obtuse to know it. You think your desperate, moribund, loser existence is the default for man, the summit of what he can and is supposed to be.

        Any words I use to describe your condition would be lost on you because you lack a frame of reference to anything better. The least productive thing in the world is to engage your type in a discussion of theodicy.

        First get your shanty house in order, plebe, and then I might entertain the possibility of a royal visit.

        Matt

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 11:47 am corvinus

        He gonna “F” you up and torment you forever? Ha! Some loving and all-forgiving being he is!

        Of course, if you’re not sorry for it. Duh.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 3:15 pm turdtropolis

        Let’s tease this out then Matt, this moribund life is a penalty and isn’t how we’re supposed to be. In that case what did we do to deserve to be born into this house of pain.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 6:33 pm King

        In that case what did we do to deserve to be born into this house of pain[?]

        We rejected God. Still do. Like you’re doing right now.

        What’s more, deserve’s got nothing to do with it. Who said you are owed life and free will? Who said being eternally free of pain is your birthright?

        Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
        Tell me, if you have understanding.

        This moribund life is a penalty and isn’t how we’re supposed to be.

        Surely you know “how we’re supposed to be.”

        Who determined [the universe’s] measurements — surely you know!
        Or who stretched the line upon it?
        On what were its bases sunk,
        or who laid its cornerstone,
        when the morning stars sang together …?

        I didn’t say “life is a penalty.” I said a certain ill-chosen way of life is its own penalty, sure as a law of gravity, regardless of what does or doesn’t come after death. Life is a gift — the gift. You are shitting on it.

        God places no one in hell. Men go there voluntarily in their arrogance and in the license they call liberty. And hell starts the moment you turn your back on the source of life, long before you expire forever. “The wages of sin is death.”

        Matt

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:30 pm turdtropolis

        My aim of teasing it out was to add to the discussion. I don’t overtly reject God, but when my behaviour is poor it amounts to the same thing.
        Given our fall from grace, then it follows that wise individuals would use this life to reclaim theirr previous position, a more exalted one than on this plane of existence.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:52 pm turdtropolis

        A being’s destiny may well bring it exactly what it deserves. Even 4 year old children know the immutable ‘what goes around comes around’. The divine may not need to intervene in a being’s descent, as those who he has wronged throughout many incarnations will be waiting and eagerly pull him in to extract repayment. I have an idea of how we’re supposed to be and didn’t ask, but did leave out a ? as you pointed out. My phone is quite precarious, so I’ll ask to be excused on grammar and sentence construction. Having an idea of our rightful mode of existence, and behaving, thinking in a manner which merits inclusion in those exhalted realms are somewhat disparate matters. Nevertheless it’s what the truly wise would aspire to

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:54 pm Greg Eliot

        He gonna “F” you up and torment you forever? Ha! Some loving and all-forgiving being he is!

        Man, we’ve been over this several times already at the Chateau… and if you fucks don’t start paying attention, I’m gonna let you stew in your own excrement.

        That “eternal torment” is, at best, a mistranslation, at worst, the lyingest lie from the Father of Lies, to put God in a bad light.

        Complete eradication and oblivion is in store for those who refuse God’s love and mercy and second chance in the New World.

        Read Revelation… at the end of the Judgment Day, He tosses all those who would surround the Camp of the Saints into the Lake of Fire… including Satan… and then Death itself.

        What happens when you throw something into a fire? It burns and then is gone.

        Now, who’s going to claim that Death itself can be “tormented” forever?

        Stop playing the Devil’s game by bringing false witness against God and His plan…

        Or face oblivion.

        (((shakin’ mah haid)))

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:14 pm turdtropolis

        Indeed a human life is a great and priceless treasure, given our capacity for higher order comprehension, and, as even the oft-quoted figure of science Abraham Maslow has noted, for transcendence. Wallowing among thefigurative excrement in thishuman stratum , and losing sight of the bigger picture will definitely impede my assimilation to the divine. I’ll try to redouble my efforts. I appreciate the dialogue. sightsight office

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 11:38 pm Ohiomega

        Hey, Matt and Greg, remove all ambiguity about whether God exists–make it impossible to believe otherwise–and then convince me He created Leibnitz’s, “best of all possible worlds,” and not the wretched hive of pain and death in which we seem to live! Then and only then would I or any other rational being accept Christ as his Lord and Savior. “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

        PS “Who said you are owed life and free will? Who said being eternally free of pain is your birthright?” Look out the window, kids!: It’s the rare cuckold hamster. Let’s listen to its rationalization call: “Who said I am owed a faithful wife? Who said not having to slurp Leroy’s jizz out of her cunt while wearing her panties is my birthright?”

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  5. on June 10, 2015 at 1:58 pm Lastango

    Great point about the guy who tells a joke that falls flat, and strains to recover.

    A man needs to accept glitches. Shit happens — the car won’t start, the show was cancelled, rain is pouring down, the tickets are for next Saturday not tonight, food spilled down into his lap, the gear he needs isn’t in the trunk where he thought he left it, and so on.

    What to do? The best example I know of happened when a guy was sitting on stage, being interviewed on a discussion show. His chair got too close to the back edge of the platform, and he toppled backwards, landing on his back below. He got up, carried his chair back around, and kept talking like nothing happened. The audience loved it, and cheered him. With his natural style, he turned it into good comedy.

    And if the girl goes negative and judgy? That’s valuable information, and a huge time-saver. Unless she’s a pump-and-dump, that should be their last outing together. She’s either stupid, mean, or both — and not worth gaming.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 6:05 am meistergedanken

      “Great point about the guy who tells a joke that falls flat, and strains to recover.”

      *cough*, Greg Eliot, *cough*

      I keed, I keed,

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 6:47 am Bel Riose

        You fairy!

        Thou eunuch jelly, thou!

        Come and get one in the yarbles, if you have any yarbles…

        (((shakin’ mah haid)))

        Tip o’ the ten-gallon hat to you

        Avaunt!
        _____

        ….and if I’ve forgotten any of Eliot’s schtick — I’m sure he’ll remind us of it before too long.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:02 am King

        Somebody’s been feverishly compiling notes. But adding telltale exclamation points, the flourish of hacks.

        You resentful J ew. You talentless Salieri. You pimple.

        You fairy.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 10:13 am Bel Riose

        Buzz off, you Jesuit freak, and go profess your love to Littlespoon / Feminist X…I’m sure she needs the validation.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 4:13 pm Anonymous

        Many a sweet jest o’ mime have fallen flat, but what can I say?

        Great art requires a great audience.

        lzlozlzozlzozlzozlozlzolzozlozlozlozl

        Point out where I’ve strained thereafter and I shall concede the field…

        You fairy.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 4:14 pm Greg Eliot

        Many a jest of mine has, admittedly, fallen flat…

        But was sonst? Great art requires a great audience. lzlzozlzlozlzozlo

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:56 pm Greg Eliot

        Strains?

        I always recover quite adeptly, thank you very much.

        You fairy.

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  6. on June 10, 2015 at 2:05 pm theasdgamer

    I have to admit, sometimes I have physical awkwardness issues with women I have just met.

    E.g., last Sat. night at a salsa club I asked a hottie in a red dress whom I didn’t know to dance a cha-cha and she was dtd (down to dance). She wanted to dance close and I’ve never danced a cha-cha close before and she was doing these large hip gyrations and rubbing against me and I felt uncomfortable providing my normal rigid (heh) frame on her left scapula. It would have felt like I was pulling her to me. If she had waited on the close dancing until we had danced together a few times, I think that I would have felt better about it. Part of the problem is that I need to refresh my cha-cha patterns. Lack of confidence in my dancing was part of the problem and I’ve never danced cha-cha close before. I would have felt comfortable chatting the hottie up and eventually doing kino.

    Otoh, there was this older gal whom I feel comfortable with and know from dancing together another time and we danced bachata sensually in a cuddle several times. She and I have dance chemistry and that creates a lot of comfort.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 5:05 pm walawala

      @ads Good insights. I’m also involved in social dance. The minute I become self-conscious about anything…could be the girl or could be something about myself, then I become more aware of my physical presence and then the beta behaviours slip in.

      Among them: laughing awkwardly for no real reason. A smile, or chuckle at a girl’s comment is fine….laughing…no.

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 6:58 pm theasdgamer

        If you feel like you’ve shown a beta trait, just disengage…go aloof…ignore the broad for a bit and engage some other broad…everything will work out Ok.

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 9:20 pm theasdgamer

        I should mention that it’s Ok to tell a woman that you need more comfort before getting sexual on the dance floor or off. Know yourself and be comfortable with yourself. She will likely appreciate the comfort as well, unless she has the 1000-c0ck stare.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 9:43 pm Captain Obvious

      “Whoa, baby, you need to wine me and dine me first, in order to help me relax and get in the mood. I’m not a total slut, you know.”

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 10:49 pm Will

      Dude, you sound like a classic aspergers case. This was painful to read.
      You need not focus on your cha cha moves, instead, let your critical mind go and learn how to FEEEL a given moment.
      I would start by meditating.

      You have a severe lack of situational awareness, and you live on your thoughts too much. Women sense this, and it isn’t attractive.

      Cha-cha is a sexual, sensual dance, and here you are trying to break it down into a logical patterns. Sure, the patterns help you learn, but those are training wheels.
      What is the end goal you might ask?

      Dancing closely with a red dress hottie.
      Keep it up!

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 10:06 am VRW

        do you even cha-cha bro!?!?

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 3:10 pm theasdgamer

        I’ve never seen cha-cha danced close before on ballroom dance floors. I’m sure it’s possible, but those knees start knocking if you dance close. Bachata is great for close dancing, salsa, too, but not cha-cha. Rumba can be danced close. All the progressive ballroom dances can be danced close (waltz, foxtrot, tango).

        Cha-cha is sexual and sensual, but not a dance for close dancing on the social dance floor. Could be the broad was over-ethanoled, heh.

        I probably could have used more than one glass of wine before dancing, heh. Should have drunk some wine that I keep in my pickup before going in.

        The hottie was expecting fancy patterns–might have been a dance instructor. If not an instructor, she had likely had private instruction before. Lots of hip styling.

        I danced a sequential pair of salsa dances with a salsa instructor and it was very cool and she was another hottie.

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  7. on June 10, 2015 at 2:08 pm SD1786

    Suggested solutions for the above beta sins:

    No Hugs Policy (hugs are beta at their core…never hug a girl until you’ve banged her several times…by then you should know how to hold her body right)

    Agree & Amplify (easiest way to get over defensiveness, and to not take her seriously)

    Terse Words & Aloof Behavior (chicks dig the attempt at cracking your Enigma Code, and these two anti-straining tactics work wonders)

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 2:29 pm ballocaust

      Nah, no hugs policy is a bad way to go.

      Part of the idea of hugs is assessing biological mate value. Get a good whiff of the pheromones, get a feel for your muscular build, etc.
      You seem like an autist if a girl goes in and you recoil from the idea of physical contact, your rationalization won’t matter.

      Go for the one arm back-pat-hug if you’re wary, and I’m a fan as a taller bro of the shoulder-neck loose wrap and letting them embrace the torso.

      That being said, you don’t want to be the teddy bear that a chick runs to to feel physical contact and validation after she gets fucked and chucked.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 6:54 am Tilikum

        I’ve noticed higher value guys don’t like to touch or be touched. A hug is a reward.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:05 am King

        Kino, bruh. Reread the Mystery Manual, bruh.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 4:05 pm ballocaust

        @King

        Good to see you’re still thumping the bible and your dick raw with all of your wannabe haughty bullshit. Your insights as the ERodg of the Churchian contingent are always appreciated.

        Matthew 6:5, you closet case.

        @Tillikum

        Not sure if you’re digging in like the Church Lady below or just speaking for the older age group but this isn’t mirrored in the modern bar scene.

        Even if she’s a known slut, so what, give her daps, not once have I seen a dude recoil and say “NO I DON’T DO HUGS” when the usual suspects stop by to say whats up.

        Not like you’re sliding in with a pat on the back.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 6:38 pm King

        You meant 5:15.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:11 pm ballocaust

        Sure thing snowflake, you illuminate my world with your assblasted shitposts. In Jesus’ name, amen.

        Just save your masochistic desires for male beration for some of the other denizens.
        This is why I fucked off in the first place, too much blueball snark getting passed around here.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:25 pm King

        I made you look up some scripture today. My work is done here.

        The more you rile yourself up, the more you set yourself up. Shalom, brother.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:06 pm Greg Eliot

        It’s always droll when those of little and no faith attempt to use Scripture to neener-neener believers…

        Those unskilled in the use of a given petard invariably wind up hoisted.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:40 pm ballocaust

        Try to be value-additive and the whole flock of drydicks comes out to joust on their personal soapbox forum.

        It begs the question what type of man comes to a forum about picking up chicks just to pick fights with other men?

        Fuck this noise, chipping in this shit hole again was a mistake. Never thought I’d miss ImmoralGables, at least he was working on improving himself.

        Enjoy your cat emojis and reach-arounds fellas.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 6:38 am Greg Eliot

        This ballocaust dweeb started in with the disrespect of Christian faith, and then when he gets his ass handed to him, he cries about men picking fights, attempts to Cathedral shame us with the ol’ can’t-get-laid gambit, and then takes his marbles and runs home.

        You know, I could almost give all of that a pass…

        But when he admits to being a fanboy of that spic clown with the bling crown, well… a man’s gotta draw the line somewhere.

        (((shakin’ mah haid)))

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 2:57 pm corvinus

      This.

      And a qualified addendum to the No Hugs Policy: if she’s hugging you as an excuse to give you a chance to plant your mouth on hers, go for a kiss.

      She won’t penalize you for doing so. In fact, she’ll penalize you for not doing so.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 3:26 pm Benson

      If she goes in for a hug, it’s an opportune time to pat her on the head and lightly ruffle her hair, without reciprocating the hug, of course.

      Has served me well on multiple occasions.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 4:29 pm Ohiomega

      Thanks for the advice.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 10:46 pm Sentient

      If you are going to hug… squeeze her waist, the part with a little fat likely on it that she will feel self conscious about. Puts you in a discerning frame.

      Also – in high beta environments where she is getting lots of hug validation, seperate yourself by something more sexual… a fist of hair and a waggy tug works well…

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:50 am The Old Codger

        This comment is a BINGO!

        “Hugs” those widdle, clencehd arms, closed fists, upper-body-to-arms-contact types that “born-again” virgins love to dispense, should not be endured or tolerated!

        Instead wrap your unfolded arms around a woman, with open hands and give light, but real contact to those areas mentioned, the hips, midriff, the spinal area and even the upper glutes! That’s a HUG, she won’t forget. If she refuses or struggles to avoid…………..Next!

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:09 am King

        Is that a Tarantino reference? Inglorious Bastards?

        Your condition is worse than I thought.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 2:42 pm The Old Codger

        Ooooh! A stalker. Careful there god-boy, it ain’t cool to envy thy neighbor!

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:10 pm Greg Eliot

        Stalker?

        Just to keep the record straight, you challenged his comment first, which started this subthread tete-a-tete.

        I keep telling you alleged red-pillers, you’re entitled to everything but your own dictionaries.

        (((shakin’ mah haid)))

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 11:24 am Olay Dave

        Let it go, Greg. Or that (((shakin’ mah haid))) will just reveal an empty rattle!

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 12:59 pm Greg Eliot

        Let what go? Dweebs making up their own Cathedral shaming attempts and misappropriating words when it ain’t so?

        Never gonna let that bullshit slide… you wanna ally yourself on that side, that’s your loss.

        And I’ll let YOU know when your opinion is warranted ’bout mah haid.

        You fairy.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 1:18 am PermanentGuest

      No Hugs Policy (hugs are beta at their core…never hug a girl until you’ve banged her several times…by then you should know how to hold her body right)

      You’d be surprised to know the amount of oxytocin (the pair bonding hormone) released by a slightly-longer-than-usual hug.

      Physical contact is always your friend. Just don’t dole out awkward, half-arm embraces. That’s a clear sign you aren’t comfortable in your own skin.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 9:22 am Uncharted

      I don’t agree with the no hugs. I end every first date with a hug, let my hands fall to her waist, pull her in, kiss.

      I guess you mean no hugs without anything else in mind.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 9:31 am PA

      If it’s a goodbye hug in a group outing, you hug and then hold your hand on her shoulder, with deep eye contact as you exchange final words. You slide your hand down her upper arm and without breaking eye contact, graze her breast with your thumb. If she is petite enough, graze the nipple. And then go. It’s worked for me.

      [CH: yes. the funny thing about your detailed goodbye-hug description is that it’ll be read by “naturals” and “justbeyoursefl”ers as overthinking sperginess, when in reality this is EXACTLY what naturals do without, most of the time, even knowing they are doing it.]

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 12:21 pm Sentient

        be read by “naturals” and “justbeyoursefl”ers as overthinking sperginess

        Yup – just hug her bro… Long post in mod on the other thread, first game pick up with all the postures broken down… LOL smoooov

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  8. on June 10, 2015 at 2:08 pm Balmung

    The barista the other day had a crown tattooed on her wrist. I took the bait and asked what it meant. “My boyfriend got it for me, because he says I’m his princess and if we ever break up he wants me to find a man who treats me like a princess.” Gaaaaaay

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 2:58 pm corvinus

      “Sure, but I’m the king then.”

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 6:46 pm King

        No, I am.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 5:06 pm walawala

      @Balmung….I usually point to those types of tattoos and say: “Is that a stick on?”

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 10:41 pm Balmung

        Heh heh

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 5:40 pm The Other Anonymous

      Hepatitis C Latte

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  9. on June 10, 2015 at 2:17 pm Ronin

    Never taking responsibility for their actions is one of the things sociopaths, narcissists, cats, et al regularly do.

    It may be somewhat delusional, but depersonalizing or denying any blame can help Betas with number 1 on the list.

    Spergs will still get it wrong, of course.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 6:56 am Tilikum

      Getting harder to differentiate the two.

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  10. on June 10, 2015 at 2:18 pm themanofmystery2

    The things we learn in sales apply directly to Game.

    1. Law of averages (sales) = abundance mentality (game) – the more approaches you make, the more sales you make
    2. Impulse (sales) = building attraction in real time (game) – people are more likely to make an impulsive decision when feelings and emotion are flowing short-term
    3. Assume the sale (BOTH) = operate from a framework of “you want this” in everything you do and it often fulfills itself. Careful as the opposite is also true. Don’t be afraid to talk to, approach, touch girls because of COURSE they want you.
    4. Don’t be afraid of “no” (sales) = abundance mentality (game) – there are tons of fish in the sea. The world is half women.
    5. Control the conversation (sales) = holding frame (game) – direct the narrative where you want it to go at all times. It exposes confidence in you.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 2:32 pm ballocaust

      Part of assume the sale is “Don’t be afraid to walk away”.
      You know the value of the goods and won’t undersell them just to move units.
      Get a lot of bites if you pull the rug out because people don’t want to miss out on a good thing; similar to cat-string theory.
      Even if they don’t jump, you planted a seed of having a worthwhile product.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 2:38 pm PA

      There are some tactics I use to throw good salesmen off their game. My go-to: throw his routine off. Example: once at a car dealership, the salesman motioned for us to walk over to their service shop to go over their mechanical support. I told him to skip that step.

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 2:53 pm themanofmystery2

        That’s not a good salesman, that’s an average at best salesman that can’t handle deviation from his tried and true script.

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 8:03 pm PA

        Other common routine-distuptors: I interrupt sales personnel I’m negotiating with through throwing out lots of questions, especially early on.

        [CH: anti-salesmen techniques could be conceivably leveraged by women wishing to smoke out smooth-talking players. there should be a post about that…]

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 8:40 pm Benson

        Other common routine-distuptors: I interrupt sales personnel I’m negotiating with through throwing out lots of questions, especially early on.

        It doesn’t happen often, but I find it amusing when people try to fuck with my compass like that during sales calls. The right response, as ballocaust pointed out, is to “pull the rug out because people don’t want to miss out on a good thing.” It almost always works.

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 10:02 pm yaQuem

        “pull the rug out because people don’t want to miss out on a good thing.”

        very few things in this world are truly limited and the really good things are rarely advertised via cold calls. just finished a great book about ty warner and the beanie baby bubble. morons from coast to coast thought stuffed animals made by the boatload in china were quality investment vehicles. gotta get in before the blue elephant is gone forever. insane.

        flipping the script works in sales too. make the buyer qualify herself to you. this only works if what you have is limited and special.

        I’ve seen it work in the wine business. distributor reps get limited allocations of top import wines like DRC, Petrus, stuff that really is limited in yearly production and in demand across the world. the rep has every restaurant buyer eating out of his hand and willing to buy all kinds of pedestrian crap just to get the chance to pay out the nose for a six pack of la tache.

        develop a reputation for high quality and uniqueness and the buyers will be pitching to you.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 12:29 am In Dick Fuld We Trust

        i eagerly await a CH post on these ‘anti salesmen tactics’

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:20 am PA

        There are two kinds of salesmen one can deal with: ones selling something you want and ones selling things you don’t want.

        The car dealer belonged to the first category. I found a deal I really liked and drove five hours to that dealership. A seasoned salesman, he certainly knew I was invested so I had little leverage, regardless of my poker face and casual references to other options. Forcing him out of his frame by actively redirecting his routine probably gave me more psychological payoff than in terms of bottom line dollars, but I did talk him down a little. This was probably a win-win.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:28 am PA

        Salesmen pushing something you don’t want are obviously easier. Telemarketers or those clipboard activists on the streets, are easy enough to ignore, hang up, keep walking with a “no, thank you.” (I like to be curt but nice in those situations because I dislike leaving negative vibes unnecessarily.)

        When you’re captive audience to some degree to salesmen pushing something you don’t want, like door to door Cable reps, I just refuse to enter their frame. I’m friendly but I answer their routine questions such as “who is your current cable provider” with “no need to get into that guys, I don’t wanna waste your time.” I like to also tell them “good luck” as I end the conversation.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:34 am King

        The best salesmen leave you feeling like you got one over on them. Like you won the negotiation.

        Sales is true rhetorical artistry. Salesmen are the Sophists (the Ancient Greek ones, not the pejorative) of our day.

        The AMC show Halt and Catch Fire captures some of this.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 1:53 pm Benson

        flipping the script works in sales too. make the buyer qualify herself to you. this only works if what you have is limited and special.

        Yep.

        “So tell me how you think we can help you.” It’s a doubleplusgood start to a meeting because it puts them in the position of explaining themselves to me, while I sit back and collect information to better inform my pitch.

        This approach also implies that what I have is exclusive, because I’m making them work for it.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 4:33 pm Ohiomega

      So if I find the mere existence of salesmen proof of God’s nonexistence how am I supposed to adopt their smarmy, dishonest, manipulative tactics to get pussy? Sounds like too much cognitive dissonance for one man to handle.

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 10:03 pm Philomathean

        There’s an inherent conflict of interest between the salesman and client. The temptation to be dishonest is ever present. Most people can’t resist the urge. On some level you have to be a psychopath to work in sales.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:12 am King

        Everyone is in sales. Unless you’re the mark.

        “When you look around the poker table and and can’t tell who the sucker is, it’s you.”

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 6:48 pm King

      Game is a wholly owned subsidiary of sales.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 7:50 pm Philomathean

      I work in sales. I’m the number three guy in the company in terms of revenue generated. The guy in the #1 spot eclipses me as well as the #2 guy.

      What fundamentals does this guy possess that I lack? He pisses a lot of his clients off and they request to work with other consultants, but this guy could care less. On average, he’s making 20k a month.

      I’m bullish in my approach and I have a high verbal IQ that I use to my advantage, but I’m missing something.

      He’s the YaShitty of the sales team in that he has an exquisite knowledge of his craft … but unlike Poop Diddy, he doesn’t share any of that hard fought knowledge at all. He has a major ego investment in being The Man among Men in the work environment.

      He’s an asshole.

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 8:58 pm Themanofmystery2

        http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asshole:_How_I_Got_Rich_and_Happy_by_Not_Giving_a_Shit_About_You

        It’s a spoof, with some solid gold advice. Look at the bullet points in the middle

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 10:06 pm Philomathean

        I can be an asshole, but that’s too much for me.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 6:58 am Tilikum

        Lol. You want him to build his competition? You vote for Obama twice too?

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:54 am The Old Codger

        You say that like “assholelery” is a bug, rather than a feature!

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:02 am Philomathean

        His assholelery extends from covetesness, which which makes him an asshole of the caring variety.

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  11. on June 10, 2015 at 2:59 pm Noel

    Thanks for all the great posts.

    [CH: the softening up…]

    Now to my simple, yet complex question/s tied closely to your post of betas:

    You’ve written on several occasions about the “handsome-man/ugly woman” syndrome (last one was the entry with the hilarious photograph at the beach of ‘spot the beta’). Perfectly sensible. Man’s status is more fluid and relative to social dynamics, etc. whereas women have “fixed” status based primarily on beauty and femininity (closely tied to this is your “Kathy Bates” syndrome and the “Sinead O’Connor problem).

    So:

    Are certain Hollywood movie/ television stars actually “beta beta beta”? How does this work?

    [opaque and publicity-driven, the marital lives of hollywood men are error-prone examples of the sexual market in motion.]

    Or are they brainwashed with feminist poopytalk jammed into their poopy heads?

    [you write like a troll. if you are, did you think you would pass unmolested through this esteemed outpost of hate?]

    Some case examples I’d like CH & other posters to comment on:

    1. Donnie Wahlberg & Jenny McCarthy. Now Jenny isn’t ugly. But she’s a single mother. She’s been around the block. She’s forty-two. Plus she has a child with developmental difficulties from another man. Why would Donnie go for that? Now Donnie is no Mark Wahlberg. But he’s not bad looking. He’s got some jerkboy in him. And he’s still got the past glory of NKOTB plus he’s got a decent tv career. What gives? Is he a beta through and through, simple as that? If I had his credentials, I’d certainly do better — even without game (sort of like “passive income”). Counterexample case in point: Doug Hutchinson (of Green Mile & X-files fame) and his wife (Courtney Stodden), who is, what, thirty years his junior? And who is Doug Hutchinson, you say? Exactly. Compare that to Donnie W., whom most people have heard.

    [donnie wahlberg is d-list, tops.]

    2. Hugh Jackman and his wife. Now I don’t read enough tabloids. Is he gay? Is that the established consensus?

    [rumors of his gayeity abound.]

    3. Hugh Laurie. As far as I know, he is not gay. He’s well known. He’s aged well. He’s got fame going for him. Plus his portrayal as Jerkboy “House” was convincing enough for people to think he’s got some jerkboy charm going for him. Have you seen pictures of his real-life wife? Terrible. He could do far better. Compare jerkboy James Spader who plays jerkboys and look at his girlfriend.

    [laurie’s marriage is 26 years on. maybe his wife was hot when she was younger and tighter.]

    4. Simon Baker & his wife (Rebecca Rigg). She’s hit the wall and is older than he by two. His credentials are just as solid as Hugh Laurie. What gives? And Simon does seem to be alpha too — more charm, less jerkboy, still confident, if we’re to extrapolate from “The Mentalist” tv show (which, like Hugh Laurie’s, seem tailor made for their personalities). What gives, once again?

    [do you think a few exceptional counter-examples to the reigning sexual market orthodoxy are proof that the rules are invalid?]

    5. Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Girls seem to swoon over this guy, but have you seen his girlfriend?

    [no.]

    6. Ryan Gosling. Eva Mendes is of course not ugly. And she’s no Jenny McCarthy. But she’s, what, 41 and he’s 34? Especially since girls seem to swoon this guy more than anyone else. And he doesn’t seem a pushover, either. What gives? Is he a habitual MILF-er (e.g., Sandra Bullock)?

    [are they married? no? he’s playing the field. trust me, most of these guys get tons of side action, and take full advantage of their fame.]

    5. Brad Pitt. What is going on here?

    [angelina jolie in her prime (when brad first started fucking her) was considered a primo sexy hollywood beauty.]

    I’m sure there are more examples — you can argue that at the least they can do far better than what they have. Are they afraid of “divorce-rape”? And even though they’re not A-listers like George Clooney, they’re high enough the food chain that they require almost ‘zero’-game. Or do they all have anti-game, as well as a high streak of beta?

    [for every male actor settling for a woman below his SMV ranking, there are one hundred other male actors of similar SMV boffing a parade of playboy bunnies.]

    I seek your illumination about this. I feel that it goes without saying that if any of us were # 1-4 (let’s not count Brad Pitt), we’d at least be married with far more attractive spouses, if not play the field (see, again, Doug Hutchinson).

    Thanks,

    Noel

    [you seem to labor under the illusion that married hollywood actors don’t have a stable of young pretty mistresses servicing them from time to time.]

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 9:41 pm corvinus

      Counterexample case in point: Doug Hutchinson (of Green Mile & X-files fame) and his wife (Courtney Stodden), who is, what, thirty years his junior?

      Doug Hutchinson is definitely alpha, and should be a role model for all of us.

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 10:54 pm Sentient

        Yes Hutch met his wife when she was 16 YO’s…

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 6:42 pm King

        She’s shorter than him. He is hunched, wearing flip-flops, and she is tottering on the strippiest stripper platforms ever worn in the daylight.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 7:01 am Tilikum

      CH is right, you are accepting the perception at face value. Lotta hours in a day and burner phones are cheap.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:20 am King

        Who has a lot of hours in his day? Burners may be cheap, but time isn’t.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 9:35 am Tilikum

        I’m bored by 10AM usually and looking for some new challenge.

        Success is measured (by the successful) in hours of free time.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 6:55 pm King

        By that measure homeless people, children on summer vacation, and Florida retirees are the greatest successes in life. Alexander, Genghis, Napoleon: losers.

        “Being bored is an insult to oneself.” — Jules Renard

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  12. on June 10, 2015 at 3:24 pm rugby11ljh

    Gold

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  13. on June 10, 2015 at 3:26 pm elmer

    Many of these deficiencies can be overcome through study of Ballroom Dancing.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 4:27 pm Lex Corvus

      Pair dancing + game is a killer combination.

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 5:48 pm elmer

        If it ain’t partner dancing, it’s masturbation.

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 7:00 pm theasdgamer

        Hie thee to the non-dancing Masturbatorium, heh.

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 7:01 pm theasdgamer

        Pair dancing IS game. DHV if you can lead well, kino,, create a dance fantasy, create a dance-gasm, etc.

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  14. on June 10, 2015 at 4:19 pm Ohiomega

    Society: It is wrong to touch women in certain places without consent. PUAs: Touch women in those places early and often. Me: WtF?

    I have a big problem with this, stemming from inexperience. The few times I have been on dates, I made zero physical contact. I just couldn’t; the hair on the back of my neck stood up when I thought about it. In high school, I had a girl over to watch a movie and we made a game in which she could punch me in the arm but would owe me a peck on the cheek for each one. I thrilled with that. . . as sophomore in high school. At college age, one girl kept looking right into my eyes as though she were expecting something from me. Shivers again. Another time I went up the elevator with a girl, back to her apartment, and then just awkwardly hugged her goodbye.

    If courtship is such natural behavior why is it completely counter-intuitive to me? I feel as though I need–and deserve–signs of some sort, signifying consent of lack thereof, speeding me along my passage to or from Vaginaland. This, however, is the one area of life in which nothing is allowed to be spelled out, enunciated, contractually agreed on. Ambiguity is the law of the land. There are lots of shitty things about being aspie, but this is the worst.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 8:48 pm Benson

      This, however, is the one area of life in which nothing is allowed to be spelled out, enunciated, contractually agreed on.

      If you make a move, things become clearer, one way or the other.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 10:02 am cheesetrader

        CH is all about spelling out “what to do”

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 11:07 am Benson

        CH is all about spelling out “what to do”

        To elaborate, then, if he were to make a move the moment he feels the time is right, he would at least overcome the uncertainty that’s keeping him in depressionville.

        Either she reciprocates or she doesn’t. He benefits either way.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 10:49 pm Rum

      Ohiomega
      Stop using your intuition, which is too vulnerable to corrupting influences. Instead, listen to your instincts.
      Hint: Lots of girls are aspie themselves and day dream 23 hours a day about a guy who would pour gasoline all over them and spark a fire.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 10:54 pm Rum

      Ohiomega
      Fake it till you make it. Forget intuition;
      Trust instinct

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 11:30 pm Sean Fielding

      Ohio, if you’re so spergy, then try to see this logically.

      First thing, logically you’re just being lazy. You want her to send you a lot of obvious signals without you bothering to learn to read her better or showing the courage to try something first. Lacking initiative – great way for her to, logically, see you.

      Second thing is men and women really are different. Difference boils down to they will give sex if they see enough commitment, we will give commitment if we see enough opportunity for sex.

      From this it follows that women don’t want to seem slutty. Logically. From there it follows that 99 times out of 100, YOU have to bust a move first. Logically.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 4:57 pm corvinus

        Yes, this.

        You want her to send you a lot of obvious signals without you bothering to learn to read her better or showing the courage to try something first.

        Women don’t initiate on men. That’s a common gamma male fantasy, but it just doesn’t happen in real life. The man has to do it. However, if you’re bad at reading body language, you need to learn how to do so before trying any initiating because it could get you in trouble. But once you do so, you shouldn’t.

        Of course, one of the traits of Asperger’s is being unable to read body language and emotions. In my own case, I thought for a while that I had Asperger’s, but it turns out I don’t, I was just spergy.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 1:43 pm theasdgamer

        Women don’t initiate on men

        Women don’t initiate on betas. Whether a woman initiates on alphas depends on the woman’s alcohol level and whether the man is r-selected. Women not infrequently make unsolicited passes at me (rubbing their boobs on my chest or arm, dancing thigh2thigh in country two-step–which is unusual, unlike bachata, or creepy stuff like fingering my crack).

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 4:54 pm corvinus

      Society: It is wrong to touch women in certain places without consent. PUAs: Touch women in those places early and often. Me: WtF?

      Women give you openings with their body language. If you’re an omega, one of the first things you should do is learn body language. I’m actually better at reading it than the average man now.

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  15. on June 10, 2015 at 4:23 pm Hackett To Bits

    Agree with reasons raised in OP^

    But I’m not sure about this one:

    “…the sin is often done with full knowledge of the uselessness of the act.”

    I think born betas, as a group, have no clue that their behaviors are useless. Why else would betas be so quick to blame themselves for mating failures? Why else would the SWPL/shitlib/SJW/manlet/LJBF crowd glom on to dating advice from women or feminists, against all real world evidence of its futility?

    It was only after reading PUA advice, and CH in particular, that I finally ‘got it’…I quickly learned and internalized the effective dating/pick up heuristics and discarded the counterproductive ones. But it wasn’t until I was shown the way, the truth and the light, so to speak.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 4:58 pm corvinus

      Why else would the SWPL/shitlib/SJW/manlet/LJBF crowd glom on to dating advice from women or feminists, against all real world evidence of its futility?

      Because SWPL/shitlib/SJW/manlet/LJBF is their religion. They’re taking its tenets based on faith, not reason.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 1:58 pm Sentient

        I think they take the Blue Pill advice because a) it’s a logical projection of how they want to be treated by women and b) it does work in a lot of cases. It’s not optimal, but it does work. Plenty of chodes get a handie on their third date and sex 2 months in their relationship. Most of them even do get married.

        It’s not that it never works… It’s just not consistent and it removes a lot of choice.

        If Blue Pill never worked, men would have moved on from women long ago.

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  16. on June 10, 2015 at 5:15 pm whorefinder

    There is one way to overcome all three mortal sins at once….

    anyone care to hazard a guess…..

    I’ll give you a clue….

    R…..

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 6:43 pm King

      Repent?

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 7:02 pm theasdgamer

      Raaaape!

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 11:37 pm whorefinder

        winner winner chicken dinner.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 2:52 pm theasdgamer

        …if she’s underage, sure.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 7:03 am Tilikum

      Your heteronormative narrative decelerates my inner and outer bodyshapes and I don’t feel safe.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:04 am Tilikum

        *decelebrates

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:08 am Philomathean

        An otherkin you are.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 9:38 am Tilikum

        Never seen any of that Hobbit/Lord of the Rings shit and I don’t do Dungeons and Dragons so you will have to use a different word than “otherkin”.

        Something not Omega-y maybe?

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 3:49 pm Philomathean

        Did you read the books, otherkin?

        You fancy yourself an orca, am I right?

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  17. on June 10, 2015 at 5:20 pm The Three Beta Male Mortal Sins | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  18. on June 10, 2015 at 6:05 pm Just Some Guy

    DEFENSIVENESS:
    (At NBA Game)
    Me: Check out that girls out fit (shit eating grin)
    Date: looks at me incredulously
    Me: (give, but seriously, she’s hot look)
    30 minutes later…
    Date: Look, there’s the girl you think is hot on the big screen
    Me: (nods)

    STRAINING:
    Talked to woman one night for a bit and didn’t have too much luck. Don’t recall convo. Make eye contact right before she leaves with her gaggle of girls. Jog over to her. Watch how she recoils with discomfort.
    Me: You dropped something.
    Her: (confused) What? We’re leaving.
    Me: Hands her my empty beer bottle.
    (She instinctively takes it).
    Me: Be a sport and throw that away on your way out please.
    (She came up and engaged me 2 weeks later at the same bar).

    PHYSICAL AWKWARDNESS:
    Pulled a rookie move on a date going for first kiss and closed my eyes. Head butted the girl. We pulled back. I mean mugged her without smiling.
    “What, you have to pay the tax before you can *actually* kiss me?”
    (Sheer confusion. Still no smile).
    (Go back in without breaking eye contact).

    With the right reframe you can get yourself out of most of these.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 7:04 pm theasdgamer

      Dude, I’ve forearmed a broad in the head before and there were tingles galore. Caveman game!

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  19. on June 10, 2015 at 6:41 pm King

    Gee, you could have rounded it out to the classic seven count.

    4. Obsequiousness/Fawning
    5. Passivity
    6. Indecision
    7. Overreaction

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  20. on June 10, 2015 at 6:54 pm Just Saying

    Had a woman not that long ago get pissed at me, don’t remember what her malfunction was, but she tosses her purse onto the roof of a building and wants me to get it down for her. I look at it – look at her, cup my hand to my mouth and yell – “whoever gets her purse off the roof gets to take her home and fuck her.” Then look at her and say, “have fun”, and head off on my own. Didn’t go exactly according to her plans. Ended up with a friend of hers that night, she asked what happened and I said, “She exceeded her worth to me by about a 100 fucks, so she’s gone.”

    Too few women realize their real worth… Men set her value – there’s the beta price, and the alpha price, she exceeded her value to me by a lot. Unfortunately, that’s usually how women find they have gotten too old – shit they could do when they were younger, goes over like a lead brick….

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  21. on June 10, 2015 at 7:11 pm Putin

    Last Week: Field Report

    I have reduced my rating of the “8” to a strong 7 for unspecified reasons.

    So I drive up to my Happy Place when lo and behold the 8(7) is sitting at my table alone. Walk up and look at her to make sure. She looks up and gives me a sheepish grin. She is way under dressed, opposite of the last time. I put out my hand and then lead her up saying I want a hug. I give her a big hug and she hesitantly reciprocates. So I get my drink come back out and take her hand she seems pleased but also confused and hesitant. I stay there for well over two hours and she won’t leave even though there are times she is gently pulling back when I grab her hand. I ask her if she wants to take a walk. She seems to want to but then says she has to go… So I say goodbye take her hand she shakes it then I tell her I want a hug and she sheepishly gives me one. I immediately send a text to test the creepy gauge. She replies immediately

    Me: Hey…
    Her: hey
    Me: Enjoyed seeing you. Have a good evening.
    Her: U too.

    Clearly my earlier inconsistent beta behavior had her confused as the vibe was different from the other week when she came dressed to kill. Poor girl.

    At this point she will have to mull over my aggressive overtures during of our time together.

    During my time with her had a Chinese 5 walk past me 10 feet then do an about face and start staring at me. It kept going on and was creepy shit. I finally slowly raised one hand and said “Hi”. She continued to stare then walked up to the table next to us and sat down alone. Someone explain that. Also noticed some orbiting going on and some of the guys who are regulars seemed to develop posture issues.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 11:02 pm Sentient

      She is way under dressed, opposite of the last time. I put out my hand and then lead her up saying I want a hug. I give her a big hug and she hesitantly reciprocates.

      ++++++++++++++

      Seriously… ??? WTF?

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 11:04 pm Benson

        lol

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:11 am walawala

        Me: Hey…
        Her: hey
        Me: Enjoyed seeing you. Have a good evening.
        Her: U too.

        You did great with “hey”….after that it falls apart.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 5:22 pm Putin

        “You did great with “hey”….after that it falls apart.”

        Wrong and that makes it twice for you on this women. Try for three?

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 5:27 pm Putin

        “Seriously… ??? WTF?”-

        She was over-gamed. Need to calibrate that stuff and trust my perception of things. In the end she should still be in my Harem.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 5:30 pm Putin

        Benson, regarding your situation with the girl on the grass…..Next time open with “You are in my spot” Good for tingles and is very Alpha.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 8:16 am Putin

        Over-gamed. Need to calibrate especially after being on the CH site. Not try to game everything that moves. Everyone is different as Yareally(sp) has explained.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 12:45 pm Anonymous

        Over gamed her. Need the correct amount of calibration. Everyone is different.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 3:57 pm Benson

        Benson, regarding your situation with the girl on the grass…..Next time open with “You are in my spot” Good for tingles and is very Alpha.

        Noted, literally in my phone. I’m getting better slowly but surely thanks to all this feedback.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 7:56 pm Putin

        “Noted, literally in my phone. I’m getting better slowly but surely thanks to all this feedback.”

        I opened with “you are in my spot” to a hot intern recently at my HP. Was absolutely priceless. Had to tell her that was just my sarcastic personality and then she asked me to sit with her. Had a good conversation but did not ask for her number on purpose.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 7:59 pm Benson

        Wrong and that makes it twice for you on this women. Try for three?

        How is he wrong? It doesn’t seem like things are moving forward with this girl. Not being a dick, just curious.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 8:18 pm Putin

        “How is he wrong? It doesn’t seem like things are moving forward with this girl. Not being a dick, just curious.”

        Benson, the consensus was that her previous text was a rejection. I felt that she was just being straight forward, There are some cultural things in play here also. By the way I have deep international exposure at my HP. Anyways I did not respond to her comment that she was not able to make coffee on short notice. She showed up the next Monday at my place at my table which is out of her way. Clearly not a strategy to “get away”. My initial perception is of a women who is straight forward and loyal, not the typical American B.S. By the way she is an American and was born here.

        Bottom Line: I think some of my actions had confused her. She was ready to get something started from the get go when she showed up dressed to kill and ready to make physical contact then what do I do? Walk away.

        My feeling is that I could call her and say let’s meet at the Coffee place next to your apartment and she would say let’s go. Could be wrong but my perceptions have been pretty solid.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 8:38 pm Sentient

        Overgamed? Perhaps undergamed…

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 8:43 pm Putin

        “Overgamed? Perhaps undergamed…”

        lol, well you are batting a thousand on this women. When is she going to reject me?

        Seriously she needed comfort not MORE game.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 10:20 pm Benson

        Had a good conversation but did not ask for her number on purpose.

        Your happy place doesn’t sound very happy, man. Why wouldn’t you pull the trigger?

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 10:33 pm Putin

        “Your happy place doesn’t sound very happy, man.”
        Benson you make me laugh. Yep, it’s a miserable place to go, lol. Actually I wish I could take you there one day. I think you would be impressed.

        “Why wouldn’t you pull the trigger?”

        Numbers from a first approach are overrated unless you get them and never contact. A number from the second meeting has a much higher success rate. For me it is all about empire. Now for some guy who is wondering aimlessly all over God’s creation his leverage is limited because he has pressure to make the move then and there. I will see these women again especially if I don’t call them. The 9 I got a number from over a month ago has orbited me twice now and is wondering why the fuck I never contacted her like 99.9% of the men who she gave her number to. I am patient and will strike when the iron is hot. By the way her face is like an angels.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 11:17 pm Benson

        I am patient and will strike when the iron is hot.

        I understand that angle; it’s especially useful when pursuing women in your social circle. But in your case, it sounds like the iron wanted some fucks.

        By the way, I would be happy to meet up with any of you, were you guys within reasonable distance. Most people I know just look at me quizzically when I tell them I approach regularly.

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      • on June 13, 2015 at 8:30 am Putin

        “Most people I know just look at me quizzically when I tell them I approach regularly.”

        Yeh, I have acquaintances who act the same way. It is funny at my HP there are all kinds of dynamics going on. I know a couple guys there and we know why each other likes to hang there. Let me tell you some of the women are there for a reason also. Lately it almost seems like a CH chapter has started meeting there. Really unique stuff. I posted a review from a gal who was going on about never being disappointed about the people watching aspect of the place.

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      • on June 13, 2015 at 10:48 am Benson

        Yeh, I have acquaintances who act the same way.

        I’ve never actually thought through it; I just assumed it was common for women to get hit on during the day. But perhaps it’s not that normal if people react to it so uncomfortably when you talk about it.

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      • on June 13, 2015 at 10:58 am Sentient

        ” She showed up the next Monday at my place at my table which is out of her way.”

        Seriously you crack me up man… You MET this girl at THIS coffee place, she has been going there all along… she will continue to go there.

        and COMFORT is part of game… You should dig into Mystery Method.

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      • on June 13, 2015 at 3:33 pm Putin

        “Seriously you crack me up man… You MET this girl at THIS coffee place, she has been going there all along… she will continue to go there.”

        Interesting. Looks like someone may have trouble admitting they were wrong.

        Just saying

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 12:49 pm Anonymous

      God damn boy…

      For the next time:

      Me: Hey…
      Her: hey
      Me: Nice meeting me.
      Her: -irrelevant-.
      You: radio silence

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  22. on June 10, 2015 at 7:25 pm High T Retard

    and, whatever you do, don’t make the ultimate dead giveaway beta sin of making long, verbose lists of everything betas do

    [CH: and commenting about those long verbose lists makes you…?]

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 9:11 pm theasdgamer

      wait for it…spergy?

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 11:38 pm whorefinder

      how’s that hope and changey working out for ya?

      yes, I stole a line from a trashy bestiality-whore.

      rape.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 4:49 am Themanofmystery2

      CH always wins these interactions, but I think you just got AMOG’d by a clever chap named “High T Retard” and chomped on the male equivalent of stinky beta bait by replying.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 5:00 pm corvinus

        “High T Retard”

        That wasn’t his handle. CH changed it to that.

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      • on June 13, 2015 at 1:19 pm theasdgamer

        CH keeps his hand tight on the handle. Gay Moderator Game.

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  23. on June 10, 2015 at 8:14 pm Iron Bull

    “Straining is a close cousin of bitterness, which women recoil from at emotional distances that are the square of the distance of the beta male’s pointless crotch to the woman’s turtling labial folds.”

    Excellent.

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  24. on June 10, 2015 at 9:53 pm cptnemo2013

    Reblogged this on MGTOW 2.0.

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  25. on June 10, 2015 at 9:58 pm Rum

    Fix the disordered movements and the supposedly more mental issues will straighten themselves out more readily.

    The military(all serious militaries) know that if you train a guy to move right he is already 90% the way to having sound mental reactions.

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    • on June 10, 2015 at 10:59 pm Sentient

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      • on June 10, 2015 at 11:35 pm Rum

        The problem with a kitten is that…
        It grows up to become a cat…

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 11:14 am mendozatorres

        Introspective cat is introspective. Looks like he just realized he failed a shit-test and is “Damn! I know better!”

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  26. on June 10, 2015 at 10:46 pm itsjx

    Reblogged this on XWorkx.

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  27. on June 11, 2015 at 4:39 am johnny

    got one more for you and I think it is the gravest, most widespread one:

    Inaction

    the failure to act, to take the initiative. be it in direct interactions with girls or just generally as an approach to the betas (love)life.

    all my friends and acquaintances who suffer from longer than necessary dry spells are guilty of it.

    either they are too chicken to approach, have the male equivalent of the rationalization hamster running ( “I just like to let things happen”), believe in the disney/soulmate crap or deem themselves “above” red pill knowledge and methods.

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  28. on June 11, 2015 at 6:53 am Bel Riose

    Somehow I see Matt King as committing sins #1 and, to a much greater extent, #3.

    Though I suppose running email / blog game or “Big Brother Game” on the likes of FeministX/Littlespoon makes it easy to avoid #3.

    [CH: on the internet, no one knows your eye twitches and your hand hovers.]

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 7:10 pm King

      Heh. CH doesn’t just suffer witless trolls. He sympathizes with them.

      Enjoy your decline.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 9:34 am Bel Riose

        We will.

        Along with your obvious discomfiture.

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  29. on June 11, 2015 at 8:57 am martin

    my thinking is that the primary thing that ruins ability to attract women is self-consciousness and being told not to act like this or that thing will only enhance the issue.

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  30. on June 11, 2015 at 9:33 am martin

    did anyone happen to catch r/fatpeoplehate yesterday? I guess reddit banned a bunch of un-PC subs. I didn’t see the other ones but I imagine these subs would have been fine just a few years ago.
    http://techcrunch.com/2015/06/11/quelle-surprise/

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  31. on June 11, 2015 at 10:40 am Canadian Friend

    Sorry to be off topic

    Women love bad boys indeed,

    … … …

    Female prison worker, in love, agreed to drive getaway car: NBC News

    NEW YORK (Reuters) – A female prison worker being questioned by police, who are hunting two escapees from an upstate New York prison, thought she had a romantic relationship with one of them and had planned to drive the getaway car, NBC News reported on Thursday.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 11:13 am mendozatorres

      This happens so often. I think in PA, there was a prison where one inmate impregnated like three female guards and in fact, there was this huge love clustfuck with another guard.

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  32. on June 11, 2015 at 10:53 am StAugustine

    How about another post on actions which are verboten [by women] to betas stuck in the LJBF zone. This post made me think of the previous one – for sure awkward attempt at sexualization will kill make her recoil from the beta trying to escape his fate.

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  33. on June 11, 2015 at 11:12 am mendozatorres

    OT: I never disliked Colin Quinn, but I think I’m a fan now.

    “that is the problem with the ‘groupthink’ mentality where we can’t say certain things because some will be offended.”

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/randy-hall/2015/06/10/comedian-colin-quinn-agrees-jerry-seinfeld-people-are-too-pc

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  34. on June 11, 2015 at 11:30 am migsflecha

    Last word on “manly actors”
    A cheap shot but I will throw it.
    The actor who plays mighty Thor is married to a woman * years his senior!!!!
    How can that be?
    Hollywood is make believe and they can make a wimp look like a He-Man.

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  35. on June 11, 2015 at 12:04 pm chi-town

    Yep. It describes my first date in high school. I had the balls to basically cold approach this girl on a date, more or less I did not seem to ever share a class with her but she was friends with one I did; and then to boot I did not even have a car and asked if she could drive. That was an amazing feat.
    …
    And what it has to do with this thread is that it went nowhere because all I did was talk and hesitantly touch. So it went nowhere. Consider it confirmed in the field.

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  36. on June 11, 2015 at 12:52 pm Sean Fielding

    Some sperg aspects can be converted to alpha benefits with just a little effort.

    For example, I consider my nature to be very beta – I needed the instruction manual of PUA to change – couldn’t figure much out on my own.

    But one beta problem I’ve never understood is refraining from open admiration of other women just because you’ve already pulled a particular woman.

    I think it’s the sperg in me: logically, you admired those other women before you pulled your current one, now that you’ve pulled her, those other women are still there, so why would you change? Plus doesn’t feminism decree that you should treat her like a male friend anyway? That means admiring passing women.

    Come to think of it, the step-by-step instructions of PUA is another benefit for spergs.

    But like the light bulb, the sperg has to want to change.

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  37. on June 11, 2015 at 2:10 pm Canadian Friend

    Sorry to be off topic,

    … … …

    Man receives sex act while blacked out, gets accused of sexual assault

    An Amherst College student blacked out, accompanied a fellow student back to her dorm room after drinking in February 2012. While he was blacked out, she performed oral sex on him.

    Nearly two years later, she would accuse him of sexual assault. And under Amherst’s guilty-until-proven-innocent (and even then, as we’ll see, still guilty) hearing standards, the accused student was expelled.

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  38. on June 11, 2015 at 4:23 pm John Silver

    No, this is all wrong. PUA is a copout. What is demeaning is to pretend that reality isn’t what it is — not to call an ace an ace. Offensiveness is offensiveness, rudeness rudeness, sadism sadism, etc. The next time a woman “tests” you — aka disrespects you — beat the f out of her. That’s what she deserves. KISS.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 7:15 pm King

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:20 pm King

        The reboot:

        I can hear sirens, sirens
        He hit me and it felt like a kiss
        I can hear violins, violins
        Give me all of that ultraviolence

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  39. on June 13, 2015 at 1:13 pm theasdgamer

    “You can get away with a lot of socially obtuse miscues if your body language speaks of the pompetous of love.”

    …I’m a midnight stroker. Swimming after dark, perv.

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  40. on June 13, 2015 at 1:15 pm theasdgamer

    @ Kipp the Poser (heh)

    I checked with dance instructors and dancing cha-cha close in social dancing is awkward.

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