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Friendzoning Girls As A Pickup Strategy

June 11, 2015 by CH

Have you ever thought about the seductive magic contained in the element of preemptive friendzoning? A strategic disqualification of a girl has the potential to spark an instantaneous attraction for you.

Friendzoning is almost entirely the province and prerogative of prime nubility women subconsciously (or knowingly) abiding their alpha fux, beta hugs Darwinian Directive. Only the top 10% of men — the hard alphas — enjoy the same friendzone admin privileges as do women, and mostly these men friendzone out of necessity rather than personal gain, as is usually the wont of women. An alpha male with ten women knocking at his door might just find it more convenient and less heartless to curtly coochtease the HB7s so he can concentrate on juggling the HB8s and 9s.

There’s a lesson there. we’re all ears

The top SMV echelon of men exhibit aspects of courtship behavior that are nearly indistinguishable from the courtship behavior of women. Acting aloof and sending ambiguous signals of intent? Yep, women and alpha males do that. Playing coy (with sex or with commitment)? Yep, alpha male = woman. Friendzoning suitors? Again, alpha male is the mimic of woman.

The lesson is this: You want to behave in the ways of an alpha male for increased attractiveness to intrinsically narcissistic women. The rarity of the Alpha Male Experience (indie band name CH-trademarked) can be used as a guidepost to the secret society of sex-loving babes.

Hence, the preemptive friendzone. Here’s an example. Let’s establish you’ve opened a line of love communication with a girl of sufficient beauty to make the game fun. Chit chat text yap follows. You wait for an opportune pause in the resonating vibe, or a strike of awkwardness, to execute your move. If you’re experienced, you’ll be able to sense when your ship of sate teeters on the brink between sexual promise and platonic defeat. Your flirtation credit has maxed out.

Just at that moment, when she’s most expecting your announcement of phallic intention, you send this kitty diddy:

Yeeow, the presupposed princess just turned into a humbled housemaid. Guess who’s chasing whom now? Who, whom, indeed.

Now, you don’t deliberate the nature of the wound you’ve inflicted. This is the tricky part, because a wrong move here can mean a self-fulfilling friendzone. You don’t want her taking you at your word.

She’ll reply, you ignore her. It doesn’t matter what she wrote or said; in romance, substance is nothing. An hour, three hours, maybe three days later, you ask her out for a drink(s). You continue your policy of opaque silence on the subject of your friendzone request. If she asks, feign ignorance and assume the sale at the same time… “you remember what i texted last week?”… or stick with the cheeky ruse… “yep, we’re gonna swap recipes.”

Once in her company, you will proceed seducing her as if she is anything but a friend to you. Again, if she balks, you perfunctorily agree “yup, the best of buddies” as your hand travels the expanse of her competing erogenous zones, zones which are, truth be told, much more exciting to navigate.

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  1. on June 11, 2015 at 12:24 pm tspark156

    Call her “mate” powerful tingle inducing ambiguity.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 12:51 pm Experienced Father

      Another very astute observation of human nature, CH.

      Your skill at that makes your blog one of the go-to places on the internet.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 4:11 pm Lichthof

        CH’s analysis of the movie Blue Valentine is still one of the best things I have ever read. I always return to it for reference points.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 1:02 pm da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

      da gbfm always friends her
      den after da gbfm splloges on her face
      she texts da GBFM:

      HER: So we’re freinds with benefits now?
      GBFM: no
      HER: ????? 🙂
      GBFM: just benefitz

      lzozozoozoz

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 1:37 pm tspark156

        Splloges/Spillages. A second career awaits GBFM as an etymological deconstructionist.

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 10:52 am da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

      lzozozo

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 10:54 am da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

        ao anywho many of youz do not know this but BEN BERNAnKE originally WROTE da hit MILEY CYRUS SONG we cant’ stop:

        WE CAN’T STOP
        by ben ebernake zlzozlzzo
        It’s our House (& Senate) we can do what we want
        It’s our Fed we can print what we want
        It’s our dollar we can bankrupt who we want
        We can bailout who we want
        We can butthext who we want (2x)

        Red commies and sweaty neoconz everywhere
        Hands in the air like we don’t care
        Cause we came to make so much debt now
        And the betas here must pay it all now.

        If you’re not ready to go home
        Can I get a hell no
        Cause we gonna pump all night
        Till we see hyperinflation alright

        So la da di da di, we like fiat currency
        Dancing with Bernanke
        Doing whatever we want
        This is our Fed
        This is our rules
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop printing
        Can’t you see it’s we who own the right
        Can’t you see it we who bout’ thug life
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop
        We run things, Things don’t run we
        We take everything from everybody

        It’s our Fed we can bernankify who we want
        It’s our dollar we can print we want
        It’s our party we can bomb who we want
        We can butthext who we want
        We can bankrupt who we want

        To my Keynsians here with the big butts
        Shaking it like we at a strip club
        Remember only Greenspan can judge ya
        Forget the haters cause Bernanke loves ya
        And everyone in line in the bathroom
        Trying to get a line in the bathroom
        Inflation so turned up here
        Getting turned up, yeah, yeah

        So la da di da di, we inflate with glee
        Pumping with Bernanke
        Doing whatever we want
        This is our Fed
        This is our rules
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop
        Can’t you see it’s we who own the right
        Can’t you see it we who bout’ thug life
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop
        We run things
        Betas don’t run we
        We take everything from everybody

        It’s our Fed we can pump what we want
        It’s our dollar we can inflate all we want
        It’s our congress we can buy who we want
        We can butthext who we want
        We can bailout who we want

        It’s our Fed we can do what we want to
        It’s our House (& Senate) we can butthext who we want to
        It’s our country we can quantitiative ease if we want to
        It’s your mouth you shall suck when we want you to
        Yea, Yea, Yeah

        And we can’t stop printing
        And we won’t stop inflating
        Can’t you see it’s we who own the right
        Can’t you see it we who bout’ thug life
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop
        We run things
        Betas don’t run we
        We take everything from everynody
        Yea, Yea, Yea

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  2. on June 11, 2015 at 12:24 pm mendozatorres

    “Chit Chat Text Yap” should be the Alpha Male Experience’s first hit single.

    “Hey
    hey,
    sup,
    nut-tin
    so,
    yeah
    well,
    hmm
    huh
    no,
    wha-
    bye”

    [CH: lol]

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 12:32 pm Sentient

      LOL…

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 6:30 pm yeahokcool

      “Yeah. Ok. Cool.

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  3. on June 11, 2015 at 12:29 pm Friendzoning Girls As A Pickup Strategy | Neoreactive

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  5. on June 11, 2015 at 12:37 pm johncorvus

    These are the best types of articles. I started practicing the preemptive friendzone move about a year ago, it’s so great (when it works, which ishould often) to witness her trip over herself to get back into the sex zone. Nothing more satisfying than gaming her into doing all the work

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 5:50 pm tacomaster2

      I friendzoned a girl several years ago when I was in college. We went out as a group and she offered to buy my drinks (“I don’t have money”-me). Well, anyway she drove us back to her place where I told her, “I’ll just sleep on your couch so I don’t drive buzzed”. Needless to say, she tried her best to seduce me and I turned her down. From that day forward I was “the biggest asshole EVER!” but it gave me so much street cred with our friends and the girls she complained to about me turning her down.

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 10:45 am Earl

      One time I friend zoned a HB10 narcissistic bipolar attention whore with a voracious appetite for men. It was not a manipulation on my part. I really wanted to be friends with her to observe her insanity. It was also great social proof to be BFFs with her in front of others. I was the only person who could tell her the truth about what an idiot she was.

      Eventually I realized I was being her emotional tampon. Then she devoured one ofmy bros, a sensitisensitive beta. Dumped.

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  6. on June 11, 2015 at 12:39 pm Jack Schitz

    I’ve done this before when a girl (who was obviously attracted to me) was trying to slot me into a provider role (I’m not low on cash…).

    E.G.:

    Girl: “Let’s slow things down” pushing me away a little.

    Me: Withdraw and say “Yeah you’re probably right. It’s probably better if we are friends.” Stop all escalation. “You want a beer? I think there is a hockey game on ESPN” Go get a beer.

    Girl: “That’s not what I meant”

    Me: Ignore what she just said. “Sure no problem, I understand.” Put my feet on the coffee table and cross my legs away from her and grab the remote “Hmm, let’s see what we got here”. Completely ignore her building emotional butt-hurt (at all costs avoid your own) and treat her like one of your guy friends.

    5-15 min later she is either going to leave or jump on you. Either way you are better off than if you had tried to reason with her.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 1:23 pm mendozatorres

      Too easy!

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 1:23 pm johncorvus

      Preach it

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 1:34 pm Sean Fielding

      “You want a beer? I think there is a hockey game on ESPN”

      Priceless.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 4:48 pm DrPenor

      I’ve had this exact problem when chicks see my friggin apartment, they all go “maybe we should slow things down” like automatically. Up until now i just say yeah cool and keep escalating. But i have lost 2 girls who were non responsive and didn’t bang, never called them either.

      Now your idea is gonna help me a lot i think. 🙂

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 8:49 am Jack Schitz

        Yeah. I’ve been there. They walk in and look around and say something like “Wow!, nice place!”, and you can see their little minds cranking and imagining themselves living in your place (i.e., they want to date your place not you).

        What I have done in the past where the girl doesn’t know me, is say something like “Yeah, its a rental. I got a great deal” or “Not mine, I’m house-sitting”.

        High quality problems are still problems…

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 12:35 pm Sara

      So the fact that she wanted to date is upsetting to you?

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 12:56 pm johncorvus

        Jesus, Sara. Thy hamster doth protest too much!

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 4:29 pm nah

        “So the fact that she wanted to [not fuck] is upsetting to you?”

        lol, who bitch this is?

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      • on June 15, 2015 at 1:58 pm Sara

        It’s a real question. But the next time we are all complaining about how there are no more “good girls,” 1950’s nostalgia, etc, hope you remember that many men foster this sort of mentality. A nice girl is interested in you, but wants to be seen as a long term investment as opposed to a one night stand. And you are bragging about how you shut that down so quick. Nice.

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  7. on June 11, 2015 at 12:57 pm Michael de Montfort (@MichaelZentis1)

    Alpha males don’t mimic women. Women mimic alpha males. It’s good beginning advice for betas to tell them to act towards women like women act towards men. Truthfully though, alphas don’t act like women. Women act powerful (alpha is the behavior sets of powerful people) because they believe themselves to be superior to betas through their selection by alphas.

    [CH: no, women are attracted to alpha males in big part because alpha males behave with the same sexual and romantic entitlement that naturally and easily comes to women. it’s part narcissistic projection and part mate quality preselection.]

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  8. on June 11, 2015 at 1:07 pm Haven M.

    Friendzoning chicks is the best. If you detect an attraction from a girl who would bang but not date, then FZ+booze=FB. Just have to time the pull away properly. When you’ve actually dated the girl, before 5th bang is probably last chance to pull out FZ.

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  9. on June 11, 2015 at 1:26 pm Cad and Bounder

    This a golden post and should be bookmarked by all aspiring players. I stumbled upon this kind of flipping the script technique almost by accident. A girl I knew (genuine friend) once sent me the text of a message where a guy had friendzoned her in this manner. As soon as I saw it the penny dropped and I saw its genius.

    I won’t recreate the exact words, but its something along the lines of ‘I Fink we cn B frinds, I like C U as that, but not shure aboot anythng mre thn tht’ etc.

    (And, yes I’m protecting against a girl googling this line, because you lot are going to start using it in your online game in about 5 minutes)

    I’ve used that line and had a girl on my a hotel bed while she looked at me nonplussed saying ‘I thought you didn’t see me in that way’. As I started to bang her I replied ‘I lied’.

    Incidentally, the girl who got the initial message initially raged about it for three days. It was then that I knew the full power of ‘friendzoning’ a girl first.

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  10. on June 11, 2015 at 1:51 pm Waffles

    Don’t you get it? The pilot was hurting her feelings. He didn’t need to say anything about her weight. Society will never move forward until we prioritize women’s feelings over human health and safety.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 4:18 pm Hackett To Bits

      With that sassy head move, she looked like she was gettin’ all up in the pilot’s grill(led cheese)…

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 8:17 pm Greg Eliot

      Helicopters are not designed as a taxi vehicle for blimps.

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  11. on June 11, 2015 at 1:58 pm newlyaloof

    After you tell her that, tell her she’s cute. Short circuit time.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 2:25 pm Kate Minter

      “Need input.” 🙂

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 2:40 pm johncorvus

        Input dis diiiiiiiiick

        Lozzolzozlzlzozllzozlzlzlzl

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  12. on June 11, 2015 at 2:47 pm Charles&Friends

    Of the (admittedly few) POF girls I’ve banged, a similarity I noticed with all of them was in the beginning, on the day of first contact, I texted something like “we’ll meet at such and such around this time…” followed by “and just to be open, I’m only looking for friends right now”

    They all seemed cool with it… also took a ton of weight off my shoulders as far as the first date goes and allowed me to relax more. By around the end of the third date (yeah I move slow, just can’t get hard for girls I’m that unfamiliar with) I get a text to something of the tune of:
    “sooooo…. I like, think you’re really fun”
    or,
    “were you really serious about just friends?”

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  13. on June 11, 2015 at 2:47 pm Neecy

    That seems too obvious. What really works is talking about girls or acquaintances in very favorable manner (I.e”she’s def my type”) or something to that effect. Because then you’re thrown off b:c you’re like ” I know or feel he likes me so why the hell is he talking about her!”

    It happened to me and honestly a girl does get a bit jealous. It worked though cause I desired him after that.

    [CH: it can seem obvious in the wrong hands. like i wrote, context and deployment skill are everything. however, your suggestion is also effective. many men wind up doing something similar by accident, not realizing the girl they’re confiding in about another girl is getting more and more jealous by the second.]

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  14. on June 11, 2015 at 2:51 pm The Shrike

    I like this website for the amount of crazy that it delivers. It does shock me a bit that the opinions above may be held by the majority of Americans. I lived in the US for a few years while working there on a student VISA and it was funny as fuuck. Girls all thought they were Disney pricesses who need to be elevated to divine status by the very virtue of showing up to a seedy bar in the flesh. Laughable, really, but it was the bread-and-butter for American guys who never knew anything else… like normal interactions with normal, attractive women. Mehh…

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 6:01 pm tacomaster2

      Understand completely. I’ve had American broads tell me “You need to treat me like a princess!” or something to the effect of “I’m a princess!”. My reply, “Oh really? Where’s you castle? Where’s your kingdom? Toss off”.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 6:12 pm Ohiomega

        Did they laugh in your face when you said, “Toss off!”?

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 1:27 am Glengarry

        (Deferent voice) “Your Highness, may I put it in your ass?”

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 6:26 pm Greg Eliot

      She demanded to be treated like a princess… so I crowned her.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:05 pm tacomaster2

        I see what you did there lol

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    • on June 15, 2015 at 11:57 am anonymous

      Yes. We American men have been fucked since about 1990.

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  15. on June 11, 2015 at 3:05 pm Hackett To Bits

    I like it…flip the script big time. And a real test of your ability to hold frame…

    As with previous advice here (about whom to deploy Negs on, etc.), this is a technique you want to pull on a >= HB8 who regards herself a little too much. Probably not something you want to drop on <=7s.

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  16. on June 11, 2015 at 3:13 pm universe

    Be none – any youze scoffers of this post.

    As described above – this works. Strategically and not. Especially during the younger kamikaze hormonal years. Pa-ptattienzzeez.*

    *patience.

    (Note to self: gotta get back in the groove [heh] again)

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  17. on June 11, 2015 at 3:13 pm ho96pha

    Very true. A long time ago I met a woman who became my ultimate object of lust and desire. She was a 10 but too young for me at the time. She has suitors everywhere. I did not think things could ever work between us. One day I surprised her by telling her that I could never marry her. We were friends for a long time after that. Little did I know that for most of that time she was in love with me. We are now coming up on our ninth wedding anniversary.

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  18. on June 11, 2015 at 4:06 pm Friendzoning Girls As A Pickup Strategy | Reaction Times

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  19. on June 11, 2015 at 4:27 pm northern

    This blog has gone full circle and turned very gay, very angry faggot. How to “mimic women”? “Act coy”. Fucking disgusting.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 6:26 pm ballocaust

      Was my first impression as well, but if you read the article its more about push-pull of disinterest than trying to build a solar system of orbiting 6’s for a rainy day.

      That being said, as a general rule, women hate when guys act like bitches. Emulating female behavior is a good way to ensure she goes out an fucks a guy on full caveman mode to get her injections of vitamin T.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:54 pm Sentient

        Yeah – what Mystery did was break down hot girl social behaviors, this is more of that… not acting like a fag… When you come across a really hot girl you can recognize the patterns of behavior as “game”… Negs, qualifying, disqualifying, kino etc. etc.

        I came across this in a FR here: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/03/10/how-the-urban-man-can-be-more-masculine/#comment-654367

        Snippet “while this kind of banter is going on, she is very close to me, her leg is touching my leg, she is touching my arm, leaning into me to talk. I am facing straight ahead, not giving her my full attention. we end up bantering more, going into her life story, I get into my routine of how ballerina’s are masochists at heart (developed from talking to the other 3 haha) and she is pulling my arm and agreeing. she is getting very close to me face to face when she is talking. Shit man – she is running kino on me… It’s fascinating she is following the game blue print.”

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 12:13 am the gaffer

      hear hear

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      • on June 13, 2015 at 6:06 am Culum Struan

        I wrote an FR about a stripper last May (when I first started posting here) that YaReally replied to – part of it was about how this superhot stripper was totally gaming me – I could actually see the behaviours happening..

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  20. on June 11, 2015 at 4:41 pm fakeemail

    See, THIS is why I’m a beta. I fucking can’t lie/act aloof around hot chicks. If I see a hottie, I want to say what I feel which is: “Hey! I want to fuck your ass!”

    But since I know I can’t, I have difficulty throwing the aloof bullshit out there because it’s such a flagrant lie and I’m not a natural liar.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 4:50 pm Ohiomega

      Exactly. “Hey, I want to fuck you,” is the only thing any guy wants to say to a hot gal, but it’s the one thing we’re not allowed to say, so those of us who are constitutionally incapable of saying one thing and meaning another or saying something that leads to the other are fucked–but not by her, of course.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 4:58 pm Lex Corvus

      It’s not lying if you’re doing it right. As Dex says in “The Tao of Steve,” the best way to seem desireless is to be desireless.

      “And I know, I know, I’ve gotta not have sex with her!”

      “No, man. You’ve gotta not want to have sex with her. Having sex with her is the whole point.”

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 5:04 pm anonYmous

      Anal openers are not soo unsuccessful. Heh. Only if I can put it in ur ass… thrown in the end of a lot of different sentences produces many interesting pof tinder and okc convos. Wanna cuddle? She says to me. I says maybe. Then send another message only if I can do anal. 50% she laughs which isn’t a no. 30% she says maybe. 10% yes 10%no.

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 7:26 pm Anonymous

        You can also use one of these as a non sequitur or to start a convo

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      • on June 11, 2015 at 8:16 pm anonYmous

        heh a secret handshake

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  21. on June 11, 2015 at 5:43 pm tacomaster2

    So what would your advice be if she is married? I have a newly acquired female “friend” (don’t think men and women can be friends) that I neg, agree and amplify with. She in turns shows IOIs, subtle touching, etc. I don’t want to break up a marriage. Advice?

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 4:11 pm Mario

      Taco, I experience this atm
      Answer is :
      Low priority / low investment orbit. Bail out is next best step but is difficult, since you get a lot of passive aggressive accusations and risk even ” judgement day” nukes from rejected girl. Whatever you choose, keep that married chick as far from your personal life as possible

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  22. on June 11, 2015 at 6:49 pm Ronin

    I have some experience with this, though more accidental than Heartiste.

    They will usually freak out a bit about your reversing the buyer-seller dynamic (hat tip RSDTyler) and start acting a little bit spazzed,

    then over time start showing little window-type opportunity-hints,

    then eventually either throw a giant tantrum or just drift away desiring you from afar like a beta orbiter and pissing off their current bf in the process.

    I am sure the ability to gauge that tipping-point can point out the moment to strike.

    If you can sneak some Kino into the “friendship” along the way, it seems to put the subconcious on simmer, also.

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  23. on June 11, 2015 at 7:29 pm Saint Louis

    This may help explain why a lot of chicks dig homos; they’re basically friendzoned from the start.

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  24. on June 11, 2015 at 7:37 pm KermitTheeFrog777

    Reading this shit never gets old.

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  25. on June 11, 2015 at 8:04 pm Thoroughbred

    You’re cute… Remind me of my little sister.

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 9:58 am whorefinder

      *pats her on head*

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  26. on June 11, 2015 at 8:49 pm walawala

    It only works if you truly don’t care. If it’s a strategy then it might come off as being patronizing which is NOT attractive to women.

    In my case, years before I understood game I became “friends” with a girl in another country. I would always visit and go to dinner with her when I came there for business. She would visit me. Because I didn’t understand game and was clueless, my disinterest seemed to spark her attraction.

    This all culminated one night when we went out AFTER I became game savvy. I banged her and she loved it. She asked me why I’d waited so long and thought I was gay!

    I still meet up with her once a year and we bang.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 9:54 pm Benson

      my disinterest seemed to spark her attraction

      That’s all it takes; there’s no need to run the “we’re going to be great friends” routine. Just leave her wondering why you’re not following her around like every other guy in her life.

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  27. on June 11, 2015 at 8:53 pm whorefinder

    I don’t have a friend zone.

    Guess what kind of zone I DO have?

    And every attractive woman is in it….so feminists are safe…

    ready for it …

    say it for me gents….

    p.s. the fact that they aren’t in my special zone just makes feminists say the name of it all the more…in despair….

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 8:35 am VRW

      A dimension of sight, A dimension of sound, A dimension of mind, A dimension of rape.

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  28. on June 11, 2015 at 9:34 pm General

    http://rt.com/news/266434-pope-putin-vatican-meeting/

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  29. on June 11, 2015 at 9:51 pm anon

    I need some help: After initially meeting a girl, I texted her to meet up for dinner, our first date. She told me to come to her work right then. She works at a foot massage place but not one of the shady ones (I think). She said there were no customers so we could go next door for dinner. Almost immediately, before we had even ordered, she looked out the window and saw a massage customer. She went back to her work to talk to him for a minute, came back in and told me she’d be 30 minutes, then left.

    After a couple of minutes sitting there like a doofus, I got up and left. I texted her “I’m sorry 30 minutes is too long. Maybe I’ll see you after work.” She replied “ok.” Then, silence and we never met up.

    I’m afraid it’s over because there wasn’t enough time to build up attraction before she left. But at least I didn’t put up with her bullshit, right?

    What should I have done?

    What should I do now?

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 10:06 pm Ohiomega

      That is some shady-ass shit. You should have made sure she was done with work before you agreed to meet.

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    • on June 11, 2015 at 10:51 pm Benson

      But at least I didn’t put up with her bullshit, right?

      Meeting her at work was a bad idea. I’d wait a week and then invite her out again, but have a plan. Tell her where and when to meet you, and don’t go to dinner. Go out for drinks and then do something fun, see a band maybe.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 8:33 am Culum Struan

        What Benson said, but more broadly – don’t let her set the frame of your meeting – don’t go to her. You make the plan, you control the frame. See lots of posts in the YaReally archive about not going to a bar she invites you to, so that you can be one of her orbiters (I know that’s not exactly what happened here, but it’s similar – you let her set the frame and tone of the meeting)

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 11:28 am Uncharted

      I never do dinner for a first date. What if you don’t get along? I would be spending money and time on someone I’m not interested in.

      Next time for a first date, tell her to meet you for drinks at a place and time. It’s only 1-2 hours of your life and maybe $20 worth of drinks.

      If she says something like come by her job, just say “let’s do something when you’re not busy”. I’ve done this and it works.

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  30. on June 11, 2015 at 10:19 pm viking

    first off alphas dont text second that emoticon or whatever is pure faggotry

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 2:02 pm johncorvus

      Clearly you are no alpha

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  31. on June 11, 2015 at 11:45 pm Rum

    Far too few of them are really worthy of a Rum Fuck. For the rest, friend-zoning them ought to be seen as a combination of naturally good manners and ice-cold realizim.

    The problem is, females know EXACTLY what is happening when the friendzone is coming down on them like a nuclear neg.

    Keep Two houses. Keep two crash pads. Keep bangable women in both…

    Give yourself a chance to live.

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  32. on June 12, 2015 at 12:36 am Dan

    Genius, effing genius. Your blog often makes me laugh out loud. Happily married now. Don’t wish to be single again, although could be a lot of fun, but I’m using your techniques to bring back ‘romance’ into the relationship.

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  33. on June 12, 2015 at 12:59 am Days of Broken Arrows

    “Friendzoning is almost entirely the province and prerogative of prime nubility women subconsciously…”

    I take issue with this. Men have been friendzoning forever. It’s just that unlike women, they do it discreetly and prefer not to broadcast their callousness and cruelty to the world.

    When I started college I was dating a high school “9” and had no intentions of ending it. As such, I had to “friendzone” many a substandard college girl — and there were lots.

    By *not* girlfriending up any of the girls on my dorm hall, I eventually found myself in unlikely company of a group of guys I had nothing in common with: the lacrosse bros. These guys also dated high-quality women and would friendzone left and right. And they were despised because of that — as I came to be.

    This is the real reason all those average-looking women write screeds about lacrosse player types. They came to resent them in college for either not giving them the time of day or giving them one night and then immediately friendzoning them.

    Did I mess around with those substandard college girls? As I’ve written on the Roosh Forum, yes I did, but when it suited a particular fetish (super tall girls, a German girl, etc.). But when the weekend came, I made like the lacrosse bros and went back home to the girlfriend or imported her up to campus. And all those college girls were immediately in the friendzone.

    The big unspoken truth is that the primary victims of the friendzone are the average-looking women that populate our colleges…and are now taking our their resentment of men by becoming writers or professional feminists.

    Anytime a guy enters a college dorm and places a framed photo of his high school hottie on his desk*, he’s just immediately friendzoned the entire hall of frumpy future careerists.

    Don’t think they don’t know this. Don’t think they don’t carry the resentment into later life. As the Washington Post might say, the friendzone hits women the hardest.

    * Note to high school guys entering college: Be sure to do this. It creates something called “preselection.” I became immediately popular with virtually every girl on my hall freshman year because I was unavailable and “above” being interested in them. Why aren’t dads teaching their boys this kind of thing?

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  34. on June 12, 2015 at 1:01 am Days of Broken Arrows

    Fix the damn moderation already. I’ve been commenting since 2007 and I’m still having my comments disappear.

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 1:02 am Days of Broken Arrows

      There is one that I think is important for younger guys now lingering in your moderation limbo.

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  35. on June 12, 2015 at 1:56 am enemylimes

    Do this with girls at work. Especially if you work hospitality. Have a “don’t screw the crew” policy. But still flirt with the girls naturally, they’ll see you pick up and there’s plenty of staff drinking sessions where you and a hot little bar chicky can sneek off without anyone knowing. Or she can come over and get high, but *nothing can happen*.
    It works on multiple levels. Script flipping. Chicks love a chase. You’re making a huge exception, breaking your rules to fuck her. The two of you now have a shared secret. Plus if you fuck her properly that is what she’s gonna tell her friends, which is going to work out well for you.

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  36. on June 12, 2015 at 3:18 am The Chrome Microphone

    Is this a rework of an old post? Getting serious dĂ©jĂ  vu from the title and I’m sure some of the content, minus the photo

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  37. on June 12, 2015 at 4:13 am HP96

    This works in the right situation and with the right woman. A long time ago I met a young 10 who became my ultimate object of desire. For a variety of reasons, at that time things were not right. I told her once that I could never marry her. Little did I know that from that point on she was in love with me.

    Long story short, we will be celebrating our ninth anniversary soon.

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  38. on June 12, 2015 at 5:32 am Cringeworth

    gender is a social construct as women are just like men! they can do anything a man does. Uh oh, unlike men, they are driven into hysterics when someone reminds them of those evil sex differences.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/female-scientists-posting–distractingly-sexy–photos-on-twitter-085042642.html#D9hlt9C

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  39. on June 12, 2015 at 5:37 am Themanofmystery2

    I’m realizing that in my 30s with maturity, supreme confidence, and Game, there is no comparison with the young bucks at 20-25. They have zero chance. The world will be your oyster once you turn 28ish, gents.

    Now, if only there was a way to make conversations with the 18-22 year old bangables palatable. I can’t stand to hear most of them ramble and screech anymore. When I was 19, maybe…but sex was so new back then. The thing CH mentioned about “the more 10s you bang, the less thrilling it is to bang 10s” is true.

    That is, until your balls fill up again. Smirk.

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 9:00 am The Spirit Within

      Every word of this is truth.

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 9:14 am Experienced Father

      +1000

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 11:10 am Mac

      yeah, i feel the same way. good for short term fun but i always laugh to myself when i hear guys talk about settling down and having a family with one of the young ones. no way i could do that. hot or not, i can barely stand being around most of them for more than a couple minutes at a time. no way i could do it day in and day out for decades. gives me a headache just thinking about.

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  40. on June 12, 2015 at 6:40 am Waffles

    This takes being a SJW to outer space level

    http://gawker.com/spokane-naacp-presidents-mom-says-daughter-pretending-t-1710788405

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 6:49 am Greg Eliot

      In addition to serving as the chair of the police commission and president of the local NAACP chapter—which the Spokesman Review credits her with revitalizing—Dolezal works as an adjunct faculty member at Eastern Washington University. Here she is delivering a lecture on the cultural significance of black women’s hair.

      Them’s some credentials. I can just imagine the college catalogues curriculum listing:

      Level 240: The Realpolitik Consequences of Jerry Curl

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 9:39 am Glanton

      Your cis-racial privilege is really on display here, Waffles.

      This is a proud transracial woman, a black woman trapped in a white woman’s body. We should be celebrating her for her bravery.

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 1:03 pm The Straw That Stirs the Drink

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/12/spokane-naacp-president-rachel-dolezal-may-be-white/

      Fascinating…

      “I was wondering if your dad really is an African American man,” Jeff Humphrey of KXLY4 asked Dolezal.

      “That’s a very … I mean, I don’t know what you’re implying,” Dolezal said.

      “Are you African American?” Humphrey said.

      “I don’t understand the question,” Dolezal said. She walked off-camera as Humphrey asked: “Are your parents, are they white?”

      +++++++++

      In the past, Dolezal has spoken fondly of her time in the nation’s capital.

      “The only place I’ve ever lived where I felt like I could relax and just be myself was Washington, D.C.,” she told the Easterner, a student-run publication at Eastern Washington University, last year. “I am in love with the East Coast area, because it is much more international and you can find cultural company and kind of blend into the mix of people better than areas where there is either an absence of a strong black community or an extreme divide that sets up rifts equivalent to segregation.”

      She added: “Probably one of the reasons I love D.C. the most, though, is because I was at Howard University. As a school that exists to promote Black values … it is definitely an oasis.”

      +++++++++++++

      Can you imagine if the President of the Spokane Chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP) lauded a university for the promotion of White values?

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 4:24 pm Greg Eliot

        According to DC police, the practice of (ahem) Black values needs to be curtailed.

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  41. on June 12, 2015 at 6:48 am Ferntoad

    Cat pic kinda makes me laugh. But can do so much better

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  42. on June 12, 2015 at 7:08 am Lew

    Reportedly, a female prison guard was so taken with those two hardcore murderers in NY she helped them escape. I thought of CH and his readers.

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 7:47 am Days of Broken Arrows

      The story is less interesting once you see her. I’m surprised even men who are locked up for life would even look.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 9:27 am James Blonde

        What color is she?

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 11:43 am Anonymous

        Yes, disgusting to behold and a known cheater.

        However, “charisma” allowed them to escape a maximum security prison in the middle of fucking nowhere….think they planned to wife this tramp or something?

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 11:41 am Anonymous

      The story yesterday is she was seduced by BOTH of them. One is a known “ladies man” the other has a the 1000 yard stare, and dismembered his former boss.

      Women dig dangerous men, not IT fagg ot with beer bellies and neckbeards

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  43. on June 12, 2015 at 8:01 am anonymous33

    lolzolzozlozlzozllolz http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/new-york-prison-break/index.html

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  44. on June 12, 2015 at 8:14 am Sentient

    CH – Yareally has some good comments over at Rollo’s http://therationalmale.com/2015/06/03/you-never-forget-your-first/ one post in particular that would make a good focus post is on the Reddit Cute Mode Slut Mode and AWALT/ M/H

    from his post: “Would love to set one of those “watch people react to these vids” cams on blue pill guys and show them these pics, covering the right side and asking what they think of the girls and if they’d date them, then revealing the right side and capturing the reaction lol”

    This would indeed be interesting and hysterical…

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 8:20 am Culum Struan

      Sentient – that Reddit is of “adult film stars” mostly – looking innocent in one pic and showing off their professional skills in another. It detracts from the point a little bit, but I imagine it would be illegal in a million ways to do that with “private” footage of a regular girl..

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 8:37 am Sentient

        Ha – see I think it makes the point… splendidly…

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 10:06 am Sentient

      LOL – you can find out the other side yourselves…

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      • on June 15, 2015 at 11:58 am anonymous

        10

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  45. on June 12, 2015 at 8:51 am PA

    Few videos are as aligned with the European soul and masculine ideal as this one:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uPMHzPBrZeI

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 4:25 pm Rum

      Strong stuff!, Thanks

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  46. on June 12, 2015 at 11:10 am martin

    has anyone else noticed that the repercussions for tim hunt seem to be extremely severe and not in proportion to what he said? He has ‘resigned’, had memes made about him, been lambasted and mocked in a media feeding frenzy, even his appearance was mocked. I keep seeing suddenly all these female scientists talking about themselves now, including themselves in part of the debacle. But there is something really sinister about that, that these women view themselves as female scientists, whereas men don’t include their gender in part of the importance of their work, men also tend not to gloat so openly.

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  47. on June 12, 2015 at 11:18 am Waffles

    The average American woman now weighs as much as the average 1960s man

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/12/look-at-how-much-weight-weve-gained-since-the-1960s/?tid=sm_fb

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 4:21 pm Mario

      Duh, 1960s privilege ..

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  48. on June 12, 2015 at 12:17 pm Sentient

    Encouraged by the recent softening of moderation… A story of my first red pill/game aware pick up. What I was thinking at the time or other commentary in [brackets]… was an eye opening experience for sure. TL/DR: Just some basic game, wall of text, nothing to see here move along… cool story bro!

    Spring day, one of the beautiful early ones, birds singing etc. Rolled into town with a new tie on that everyone was complementing strangers, dudes, women… [so I had a really good vibe going – the beginning of state]… Had a nice dinner and rolled into hotel lobby restaurant bar after for a drink and see what was going on. [I was just testing the waters… ironically because over the last 6 months prior my wife was shit testing the fuck out of me as we battled for Sex Rank dominance after a long beta period… I knew that lots of other women were into me, including lots of her friends, who would give IOI’s and tell her flat out I was looking hot etc… but she would still shit test me over sex, turn me down etc.. was confusing, so I had to prove it to myself that it wasn’t “me”].

    Get to the bar… there was a stool open between two older women (late 40’s) having dinner and three younger girls (mid 20’s) so I take it [game concept – proximity – conscious choice to be in a favorable social situation]. I don’t look at the young girls or the older women, just chat the bartender (dude) and order a drink and assume “bar posture” [consciously taking up space and projecting… arms spread past shoulders hands flat on bar, straight back, head up, bringing my drink up to my lips slowly… every movement thought out. Not thirsty for females]. After a few minutes I can tell the older women are business travelers, they are eating at the bar at 9:30 on a week night, and see they are married. Not interesting but I use them and engage in some mild banter [game concept – opening everyone you meet, spreading value, ignoring your targets] and from this can see the younger girls start eye coding me. Turns out the younger girls had just finished a networking event in a ballroom and were out to grab a drink before heading home.

    The girl right next to me was maybe an 8, but not my type. She was the one though who would think that she was the hottest of the group and the other two would agree. She was wearing a low cut short dress, C+ cup chest spilling out of the top, black hair all done up, spiked shoes, makeup etc. and she expected attention… She starts eye coding me then engages with an arm grab and asks my name. [since I know she is looking for attention I am intentionally aloof and barely turn my head to her, keep my body facing straight]. “tell you what…” I address her group now… “if any of you can guess my name I’ll give you a hundred bucks… I’ll even give you the first letter” Catnip. They all giggle excitedly and are now tossing off names [game concept – be mysterious, don’t be boring. Don’t give straight answers]. I’m making faces at them, telling them really? That’s all you can come up with etc. Making fun of them. They are giggling and having fun [game concept – disqualifying, making them work, entertaining, good feelings, commanding the interaction]. Then they switch gears and 8 says to me, well you guess our names…

    So I rise to that challenge by thoughtfully staring each of them in the face for 30 seconds each [direct eye contact, discerning frame]. The middle girl was a really cute natural 7. Clean, scrubbed, beautiful dress, long blond hair, athletic tone 5’ 7” body, little make up… looked like an early Tommy Hilfiger model. Totally my type. And wearing a wedding ring. And I could detect an air of her feeling second best in the looks department, which I also find attractive – demure perhaps? The third girl, who was sitting next to the 7 was probably the prettiest but she was black and I just have almost no attraction to black girls. But she was a tall very slender model type with beautiful teeth. They were all in marketing. After giving them the once over, I start back with the 8 “Prudence” then the 7 “Martha” and I look at the black girl quizzically and she erupts laughing “Don’t even start with that Taniqua shit!”… [Game concept – again, not giving straight answers, teasing] So we all have a laugh at that.

    Then they start asking me about what I do… and I try something I read online “why don’t you try and guess that” [again deflecting, being mysterious, qualifying] and they start tossing off “uhhh IDK… Something with money. Stocks” (girls really have no idea what guys do or how money is made lol) and I come back with “Bean Farmer” and we play with that a while. All this time I’m giving the 8 next to me very little direct eye contact or facing her directly, and she keeps grabbing my arm and pulling me to get my attention [game concept – qualifying, disqualifying, jealousy plots] and I’m cool with this because I like the 7… and it is not lost on the 7.

    She comes over so now I turn round and lean back against the bar and face her and we are all chatting. [alpha posture, leaning back, making them lean in] the 7 has her hand on the 8’s stool and she has a quarter sized birth mark on it. I look at it [because I know it will make her self conscious] and then the 8 makes some snide comment about it [and the 7 is a little flustered at this].. I keep eye contact with the 7 [laser eye game] and take her hand and rub the birthmark with my thumb and say “nah… you know what this is? This is where an angel kissed you” [game concept – kino] and her eyes melt and I can see the emotion in her face and the 8 has a slightly sour look on her face at this… then I raise her hand to my lips and kiss the birthmark and let her hand drop [more kino – sexualizing the situation, jealousy plots]… the 7 scurries around back to her seat at this, maybe a little flustered?

    I turn around and chat with the bartender again, order another drink. Check in with the older women to my right on their meal. [game concept – not chasing]. After a bit the younger girls engage me again and we are all just BS’ing. I walk over to the 7 and start chatting with her directly [game concept – isolation] and she is going on about Game of Thrones or some shit and I tease her about this [the whole time we are chatting I am laser eyeing the fuck out of her] and then she suddenly breaks off “I can’t do this” and I’m like “uhhhh what’s that?” and she goes “I can’t keep talking with you” and this sets off some interior alarm bells. [I’m thinking Oh shit I pushed this too far!] I’m like “huh why?” and she says “it’s too sexual” [now I am thinking oh shit I am that creepy older dude!] and I stumble a bit at this and just say “oh, uhh how do you feel about that” [I’m really thinking fuck, you are that creepy dude] and she says, with her head facing down and raising her eyes up to me “It’s… really hot” BAM! I was pretty surprised at this reaction to be honest. So we break contact, I go back over to my seat and sip my drink. [while this is a game concept at the time I was just regrouping LOL].

    After a bit mill back over to her and we pick up talking about her work and she gives me her card and then we talk about TV shows some more. She asks about Vampire shows (WTF!) and asks me if I am a vampire [at this point none of them know my name or what I do. Never told them. LOL. But I recognize this as her projecting a fantasy] and I say picking back up on her sexual comment, “if I was a vampire, I’d bite you right here” and stroke her jugular vein on her neck with my finger while laser eyeing her. Then I break contact and go back over to my seat next to the 8. Sip on my drink facing the bar. [game concept – the takeaway]. A few minutes later 7 comes up behind me and whispers in my ear “not here. Get two glasses of wine and meet me on the roof” she starts to walk away and I say “well I have a room upstairs” and she ambles out to the lobby. [game concept – secret society, ASD, not wanting her friends to know] Well well I’m thinking, this game stuff sure works. This whole interaction is only an hour in and she’s married and I am a total stranger, she doesn’t even know my name…

    I get the drinks and meet her in the lobby and we head up to my room [won’t lie, I was concerned this was some kind of setup, it just seemed so easy]. As we walk in, her in front of me, she waves her hands behind her ass and says “now now – nothing going on down here” and I just say “oh no, of course not” [just like all the game stuff says… ASD, LMR, just agree and go on… lol] and we sit down facing each other in two low chairs side by side and sip our wine and chat, a little about her marriage, her work etc. [game concept, not rushing in, I guess this was building more comfort as well] and she keeps peppering the conversation with questions about me “are you a doctor, a plastic surgeon” and I recognize this is all about projection [she is projecting her fantasies]. She puts her legs up across my knees and I am slowly stroking her calves and the back of her knee, really slow, unhurried. [game concept – kino, escalation ladder] While still sipping my wine. She is getting wound up though LOL. I put my glass down and look back and see she has her head thrown back and has lifted up her dress and wasn’t wearing any underwear [so much for her warning that nothing would happen!].

    Suffice it to say an engrossing time was had. Very hot. I just remember how freeing it was, to just do *whatever* I wanted with her and how unbelievably responsive she was, cumming at the slightest touches. I was her fantasy… her at 27 YO and me 20 years older. [game concept – dominance, leading, emotional] it really was awesome. I know I was supposed to feel shame and guilt, but it really felt incredible, like we had known each other our whole lives. Not a trace of self consciousness on either of our parts… I tell you after literally years of battling with my wife over sex, it was quite refreshing. As things started to wind down her phone was blowing up though… she kept ignoring it. I reached over and grabbed it “who is XXX?” and she groans, “that’s my husband. I need to get going.” I tell her stay, and she laughs and says “nooooononono I need to go”. We say are goodbyes, she was totally chill and cool. I walked her down and out to the lobby. [game concept – secret society, AWALT]

    I will tell you, afterwards the flood of dopamine I had was insane. Luckily I was able to ride it out and not do anything stupid. I did contrive all kinds of plans to call her and go meet up with her again. I can totally see how starved guys just lose it completely. But I threw her card away and eventually all that is left is this memory. It’s still very clear though, and how much everything about game crystallized and worked…

    Happy Friday

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 7:46 pm Putin

      “I can’t keep talking with you” and this sets off some interior alarm bells. [I’m thinking Oh shit I pushed this too far!] I’m like “huh why?” and she says “it’s too sexual”

      You told another story a while back about a gal you were talking to in the grocery store and she said something similar. You asked why she could not look at you and she said “it is too hot”. Is this the longer version of that?

      A for transparency by the way. Very interesting.

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 8:41 pm Sentient

        You might have your reference mixed up re the grocery store.

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 8:02 pm Putin

      “the flood of dopamine I had was insane.”

      I’ll bet. Did the wife sense anything? I guess this is when you joined the club. Regarding the sex was it better than anything you had with your wife?

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      • on June 13, 2015 at 5:29 am Sentient

        She just sensed a new resolve in me, passing shit tests was waaaay easier. Sex with wife, looking back was still the best. But as Roger Sterling said “There is no business like new business”

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 9:04 pm Putin

      “I tell you after literally years of battling with my wife over sex, it was quite refreshing”

      Is the battle ongoing?

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      • on June 13, 2015 at 5:17 am Sentient

        No. It took about a year but I won.

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      • on June 13, 2015 at 8:33 am Putin

        It took about a year but I won.=Alpha

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    • on June 13, 2015 at 1:24 am Culum Struan

      Sentient:

      1. Was there a time lag between getting this external validation (and generally knowing other younger, hotter women were giving you IOIs) and internalizing the right attitude around other women, and when you were able to do the same around your wife and she changed her attitude?

      2. A bit of theorizing but as I see it, almost right up to the end, you could have switched targets to the 8 and succeeded with her (you just would have had to isolate her instead of the 7)

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      • on June 13, 2015 at 5:15 am Sentient

        Culum –

        I suppose there was some time lag but not much. I mean it was clear everything about game worked on new women right out of the box, if you could execute. And I knew I was attractive to women and prior to getting married had a good alpha run just plowing through girls and nexting merrily…

        With the wife it was more fluctuation two steps forward one back for a while. Due to proximity and 25+ years of history. Plus what I’ve discovered is you can only game a wife so far at this age due to hormonal issues/perimenopause etc.

        When I got rid of all neediness the validation issues went away. Understand nothing is ever about “you” with women (new or old lol). It is all about them and what they are feeling at that moment. Emotion is the only truth to a woman, and that changes by the minute based on hormonal and other chemical inputs. This is why they are so adept at rewriting history, because they feel differently now than they did then. Like the 7 from the story, she may have a very different view today. Also why you can’t use logic on women or show them a demonstrated pattern as proof.

        Don’t get me wrong, I totally turned the marriage around, but with women, shit testing never ever ends. It may diminish, soften or change form, but it never ends. I still need to game her to keep her in line. which she is for the most part. Took a few years to get there though.

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      • on June 13, 2015 at 5:16 am Sentient

        Mod…

        and PS – on 2., just not my type… too “jersey shore”

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      • on June 13, 2015 at 8:16 pm Sentient

        Try reposting

        Culum –

        I suppose there was some time lag but not much. I mean it was clear everything about game worked on new women right out of the box, if you could execute. And I knew I was attractive to women and prior to getting married had a good alpha run just plowing through girls and nexting merrily…

        With the wife it was more fluctuation two steps forward one back for a while. Due to proximity and 25+ years of history. Plus what I’ve discovered is you can only game a wife so far at this age due to hormonal issues/perimenopause etc.

        When I got rid of all neediness the validation issues went away. Understand nothing is ever about “you” with women (new or old lol). It is all about them and what they are feeling at that moment. Emotion is the only truth to a woman, and that changes by the minute based on hormonal and other chemical inputs. This is why they are so adept at rewriting history, because they feel differently now than they did then. Like the 7 from the story, she may have a very different view today. Also why you can’t use logic on women or show them a demonstrated pattern as proof.

        Don’t get me wrong, I totally turned the marriage around, but with women, shit testing never ever ends. It may diminish, soften or change form, but it never ends. I still need to game her to keep her in line. which she is for the most part. Took a few years to get there though.

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      • on June 16, 2015 at 7:51 am Culum Struan

        Sentient – that’s very interesting thank you

        Could you say more on the limitations of gaming women getting close to menopause? I’m about a decade away from considering that (although I’ve banged my share of MILFs) but it’s fascinating that you think there are Game differences as they get to that stage..

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      • on June 16, 2015 at 8:35 am Sentient

        Well let’s see what mod will allow today…

        Check out http://www.menopause.org/for-women/sexual-health-menopause-online/changes-at-midlife/changes-in-hormone-levels and the many related pages on that site.

        Basically with the onset of menopause all the hormonal levels ultimately diminish as a woman is taken out of the reproductive market by nature and sex becomes less to unimportant and may be painful (i.e. vaginal dryness, thinning of the lining etc.). Arousal, orgasm etc. it much more difficult or may even be impossible.

        Emotion is truth to a woman but emotions are feelings caused/enhanced by chemical/hormonal reactions… so you can run the same level of game on a hormonally depleted woman and get little response. MMSL boards are full of strong Alpha dudes who can’t budge their 50 YO wife in the sex department. It’s medical condition at that point.

        In my experience in a best case scenario the forebrain takes over the hindbrain in the older woman, so that she knows she needs to step up despite her body’s lack of interest/response or risk losing her man, or she looks the other way if he steps out discretely. Dread is your friend and strong frame always as well. Put another way you get much more compliance vs raw tingles. In the more common late marraige scenario, she is a bitchy cunt… and can’t put 2 and 2 together… doesn’t put out and eventually they divorce or live unhappily. LOL.

        It all seems quite natural, since if a woman has no more reproductive value she shouldn’t be interested in sex. And as a man ages his reproductive value increases, so he should still be interested in sex. Paging younger women! Bring da eggz!

        As to you – shit man in your 40’s and 50’s you won’t need to game menopausal women (in a LTR) there will be loads of young ones to focus on. If a ready older one drops in your lap, so be it, but you won’t ever have to focus on this demographic.

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      • on June 16, 2015 at 8:35 am Sentient

        Culum – again in friggin mod…

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      • on June 17, 2015 at 4:41 am Culum Struan

        Sentient – thanks that’s enlightening re menopause game- and yes I can always focus on the younger women. I mean even in your 70s, if you still care you could (if fit) bang hot 45-50 year olds.

        I think this must be like a general trending down of the hormones, not an absolute and it hits each woman differently. Like back when I was still going to swingers clubs regularly, I saw plenty of 50+ year old going at it like adult film stars (looks ranged from NB1s to a few that could be HB7) so they still had their sex drive..

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      • on June 17, 2015 at 4:49 am Culum Struan

        Sentient – thanks. Short reply in mod.

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    • on June 13, 2015 at 4:06 pm Putin

      “then the 8 makes some snide comment about it [and the 7 is a little flustered at this].”

      Most people might miss this little jewel. A man’s best leverage is other women. The competitive pressure other women can create on each other to snag what they somehow start to delusionally believe is the only Alpha left in the world is hard to comprehend. They are vicious and this is when the fur starts to fly as they turn on each other in pursuit of their man.

      What impresses me about Sentient in this case was having the balls to approach all these women alone and with confidence. Most men in this country will not do that. As soon as he started gaming these women their animalisitc instincts kicked in and it was “game on”.

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  49. on June 12, 2015 at 12:17 pm Sentient

    CH – long one in mod FWIW

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 7:22 pm Putin

      Can I get the Cliffs Notes version?

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      • on June 12, 2015 at 8:41 pm Sentient

        would you read it?

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  50. on June 12, 2015 at 12:42 pm Jack H

    I’ve done this on a few occasions out of pure laziness and it works so well

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 12:45 pm Jack H

      Oh shit, I just remembered, one of them was because she was a really good girl and I didn’t want her to go crazy for me if I was only the second guy she banged in her life. But what happens is that a good girl like that will have an innocent crush on you but at age 26 it can be acted on more than a crush and she hops on your dick one day unsolicited.

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  51. on June 12, 2015 at 12:54 pm wow

    http://rt.com/op-edge/246481-putin-us-policy-russia/

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  52. on June 12, 2015 at 2:17 pm martin

    It almost slipped my mind but a year ago today I sort of officially started posting on this site when CH wrote an article called “Your Mission”. It was a challenge to go out and attempt to talk with women. Perhaps another one of these is due soon?

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 9:02 pm Sentient

      Sounds like it is due for you. Now.

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    • on June 12, 2015 at 9:09 pm Putin

      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/06/12/your-mission/

      Good article

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  53. on June 13, 2015 at 6:51 pm Whitehall

    “No, darling, not a friend, just an acquaintance.”

    Personally, I think of a friendship as much more serious and “friend” is a term not to be stowed on the frivolous.

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  54. on June 14, 2015 at 3:22 am Friendzoning Girls As A Pickup Strategy | Truth...

    […] Have you ever thought about the seductive magic contained in the element of preemptive friendzoning? A strategic disqualification of a girl has the potential to spark an instantaneous attraction for you.  […]

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