In a Steve Sailer comment thread to a post about Tim Hunt, (the Nobel Prize winning scientist who made the reasonable observation that women scientists are emotionally fragile and can’t take criticism), commenter Ozymandias, responding to some female commenter demonstrating women’s ability to take things personally, wrote,
Unfortunately, what many women consider to be friendship is little more than them cultivating sexual attraction in men they have no interest in, so that they can harvest ego strokes. That’s why any man worth his salt knows the number one rule: never take advice about women from women.
Common sensible and often true, even if women and their beta white knight lackeys don’t like to hear it. The seminal post on when and how men and women can be friends is here. It’s the only thing you need to read on the topic that bears any resemblance to reality as it is for most normal human beings.
Steve, in all his down-home, around-the-way, congenially nerdy Steve-ness, responded to Ozymandias,
Guys, listen to your mother, grandmother, aunts, and sisters about women.
*Godzilla face palm*
Your grandmother… maybe, if she’s at least 90 years old, born well before the post-America funny farm opened its doors. Your mother, aunts, and sisters? No. Women not only give wrong advice to men about how to seduce them, they usually give advice 180 DEGREES removed from what actually works! This is a bug in woman code that men must accept and work around.
The person a man should listen to for advice about women is another man who has both a track record bedding and loving beautiful women and has the self-awareness and mental acuity to know what it is about men like himself that women love and to effectively communicate his knowledge.
“Asshole Players” came to mind as I read the question posed…
I guess the CH indoctrination is complete
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but wrong advice doesn’t mean you can’t learn from what they tell you.
if you do exactly what they say men shouldn’t do, you’ll get more pussy than frank sinatra.
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Guys, listen to your mother, grandmother, aunts, and sisters about women.
Each of them paid $5000* per instance to detox my buttox. I am an immortal Highlander, you know, which is how generation after generation of women detox my buttox.
*The money was earned by Steve and the beta males of the family, transferred to me via the women.
-GB
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Ah, a new wrinkle on a time-honoured theme. Well-done. (((golf clap)))
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Never buy from a rich salesman.
Never hire a poor lawyer.
Never listen to women on women when they know you’re listening.
Always listen to women on women when they think you’re not listening.
And, as always…..
Rape!
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It’s why I visit Le Chateau.
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[…] To Whom Should Men Turn For Advice About Women? […]
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OT, but too good to pass up: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/12/civil-rights-activist-rachel-dolezal-misrepresented-herself-as-black-claim-parents?CMP=fb_gu
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Just heard Anderson Queerper ask:
“Doe’s it matter?”
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Isn’t it odd that someone would give up all that white privilege? Almost like it was worthless or nonexistent.
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Yeah… if I had a dollar for everytime I heard “Don’t be an asshole…. like your FATHER!” at least I would have lots of money and avoided some troubling early years…
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Beta training from single moms… screaming “you’re just like your father!” whenever the boy shows any signs of alpha behavior.
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Buy a few drinks, tell a few jokes…humpin
Seriously it’s kinda that easy at times.
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Tim Hunt was right; Asian gals can be a tremendous distraction in the la-bore-a-tory.
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When a woman gives you advice about women, you should do the opposite! “My name’s George. I’m unemployed and live with my parents.”
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I’ll try that.
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Haha 🙂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUvKE3bQlY
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Why not ask the internet? There’s more advice than you can digest in a lifetime. Then share your knowledge and success with those in your life, who you can take pleasure into bringing up to your level.
It’s not always easy, but eliminating the worst beta ticks isn’t exactly rocket science.
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I have not seen an old alpha women since the 1990’s. The old ladies that could see right through women and would chew their ass out. My Grandmother who grew up in the depression and lived through the dust bowl was one of these ladies. She would chew into my aunts, sisters, and female cousins asses for the stupid female shit we take for granted today.
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Estelle Getty game
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She’s awesome!
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Gonna have to find a use for the “Miss Puss” monicker…
… and several denizens of the chateau are already coming to mind.
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Agreed. My grandmother who is 100 and is a total firecracker is the same way. All the post WWII women in the family have always found her too abrasive and critical. In my opinion she’s bluntly truthful to the point of butthurt. I did notice how , despite her alpha female ways, she always showed great respect and deference to my grandfather. He was the leader of that home – plain and simple
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I guess the older you get, the less patience you have for explaining things: you just get to the point as bluntly as possible.
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Steve is a great guy. He’s 6’8″. He can just stand around and be dominant. Those a foot shorter need to be more assertive.
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Steve’s right as usual. The women in his life have looked out for him. They see through the BS and give good advice. You from a broken home CH?
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Hat tip for the proper use of “whom”. Old-school syntax is rare.
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To me, Steve definitely seems beta, in the simple, non-pejorative sense of ‘highly inclined to monogamy over serial polygamy’ (prefers to settle).
But he is one of the foremost journalists of our time, and well attuned to important social trends like Game. I bet he meant this one ironically.
[CH: maybe he was being sarcastic. any man who’s lived a day in his life knows mothers, aunts (!) and sisters are incapable of dispensing romantic advice for men that actually has a chance of working. mom advice is usually, “just be yourself and you’ll find the right girl for you” type of useless crap. no offense to moms everywhere, they’re great, but in this respect they do more harm than good.]
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“no offense to moms everywhere, they’re great”
ha. most moms are disasters. mine only made it easy for me because I was a scumbag who got good grades and brought home hot girls who had to get rides from their parents so I could bang them in the basement.
I used to throw around the balls on the pool table while getting bjs to make it sound like we were playing pool instead of baning her face.
getting caught with my cock in her mouth by the old man he said, “not in the house your mother wouldn’t like it”. bs. she loved it. he didn’t like it because he wasn’t as lucky as his shitbag son.
owning mom is just like owning any other girl. she wants to sabotage you and you and have to be smarter. be willing to walk and you got her.
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mom advice is usually, “just be yourself and you’ll find the right girl for you” type of useless crap
What it means is, leave the choosing to the women, sweetie. Don’t muddy the waters. In the modern world, that means wait for the carousel rider to join up as you reach your peak in your 30s.
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Chics can’t effectively give you directions to another office in the same building.
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yeah but their pussies are awesome. i can easily find where i need to be without their “help”.
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Girls give you advice for things they wish they were attracted to, not the embarrassing things they are attracted to.
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Watch what girls do instead of listening to what they say.
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yep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxtIRArhVD4
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I have sisters, and can vouch for this. Like all women, they know nothing about how and why game works, and their advice, though well-intentioned, can land you in a whole heap of shit.
If anything, having sisters, especially older sisters, shields you from the reality of most women. It conditions you to be too logical and vulnerable with women, because that’s how the interaction is with women you’re related to.
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“It conditions you to be too logical and vulnerable with women”
what? my sister is terrified of me. i used to make her cry for fun. i never let her tag along ever. she always caught me banging girls and to this day will do anything I tell her to do. i have never gotten her voicemail and if I did I’d never leave a message.
sisters and mothers are practice. if you can’t own them you’ll never own true HBs.
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Like a lot of things I read on conservative blogs, Steve’s advice here is great…if it was 50 years ago.
Put “Help Me, Rhonda” back at the top of the charts, bring back drive-in movies, put women back in secretarial schools, fill the college again with men and Steve’s advice is perfect.
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Good point about conservatives.
Why do rusted-on conservatives act as if the last 40 years never happened?
I know a hardcore conservative, in his 50s, and I’d class him as a bit of a life mentor. He’s red pill as fuck. Hates leftists, hates feminists, rails against the hivemind and has a knack of picking social and political situations like a dirty nose.
But when it comes to women and dating, it’s like I’m talking Chinese to him.
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Most of what we call “conservatives” today are nothing more than feminist-loving, self-loathers who think crying is acceptable. When you talk about “conservatives” from 50 years ago, you are talking about REAL men… the kind of guys that when they saw a problem they went to the basement an got a hammer, chainsaw or a shotgun and eliminated it with extreme malice then sat down with a cold beer… and the women fucked their brains out for it! That’s how I got here, anyway…
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the kind of guys that when they saw a problem they went to the basement an got a hammer, chainsaw or a shotgun and eliminated it with extreme malice then sat down with a cold beer…
If only. If that were true, there wouldn’t be any liberals left.
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Just an aside… a few years back there was a musical on Broadway which featured the music of the Beach Boys… I guess it was some sort of attempt to match the success of “Mamma Mia” by wrapping a sort-of story around pop music and capture the nostalgia. The gist of it was four guys on a road trip during summer vacation with four girls.
But of course, they upended the whole effort by insinuating current PC stereotypes, e.g., the jock who railed about “homos” and who actually turned out to be one himself.
But the real kicker…
They used “Help Me, Rhonda” in one scene where the obligatory negro friend, who just broke up with his bitchy negress, sings the song to a beautiful tall Texan white gal, who of course is all giddy and all-too-eager to help him.
Now, I leave it to the jury to guess what would actually have happened, circa early sixties, if some Sambo from the North showed up in Texas and started hitting on one of the local lovelies.
The musical, thankfully, closed after about three weeks. Which, aside from the aforementioned PC Cathedral insinuations, actually wasn’t all that bad a show because, well, Beach Boys.
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A female family members advice is probably okay, but not great. She at least won’t be trying to turn you into her beta orbiter. Older women can forget what turned them on when they were younger, which is one downside. Plus female family members want you to bring someone home they like, not necessarily the hottest girl.
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Female family advice is worthless – and you’d be a damn fool to ask for it. Families have hierarchies – and a mans rank is little changed – until the day he girds up his loins and ventures into the world to stake his claim. Even then, when he returns to his family – old habits persist. I’ll bet General George Patton returned home after conquering Europe to a mother that made him take his boots off before coming in the house.
[CH: not once in my life have i ever gotten useful romantic advice from a female relative or female friend (barring one or two glaring exceptions), nor have i ever heard any man claim he has.]
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Bzzzzzt. Always terrible and counterproductive, without fail.
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Or, never take advice from someone who has never accomplished what you want to accomplish. Would you take weight loss advice from someone who’s always been fat? Then why would you take pickup advice from a woman, assuming she’s never tried to seduce a woman?
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rsd tyler quote on why you never should take dating advice from women:
“the fact that you got knocked out by mike tyson doesn’t make you a boxing coach. women have no idea what their circuits respond to, let alone being able to explain it coherently without their genetic interest interrupting…”
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One of his rare good lines amidst the inane blather.
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” . . .they usually give advice 180 DEGREES removed from what actually works! This is a bug in woman code that men must accept and work around.”
It’s not a bug. It’s a feature. Get used to it. It could be argued that that is the fundamental key to becoming more alpha.
As Rollo says, alpha is not a demographic, it’s a mindset.
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I once asked an old woman I was acquainted with how to deal with a girlfriend who had caught me cheating. She gave me red pill advice that worked. This was one of those rare exceptions mentioned above. In general the CH maxim holds with very little variation.
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