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Game In The Ego Validation Age

June 22, 2015 by CH

How do you game a girl who has received twenty solicitations for sex and fifty compliments on her beauty all before 11AM? This is the problem that men face in the electronic ego validation age, when Tinder and Facebook and sundry dating websites serve as mediums for the uninterrupted fluffing, however superficial, of the tumescent self-perceptions of every halfway bangable girl with an internet connection or a mobile data plan.

This is no minor obstacle to love and romance. The ego is the enemy of intimacy, and female egos that have been inflated to the bursting point are a neural (and neurotic) bunker between you and a girl’s heart. Evidence of this mass female ego inflation comes directly from men’s testimonials and indirectly from data showing trends in how couples meet.

Every inception source of romance is down over the past 70 years except for bars and online. What happens in bars and online that doesn’t happen in the normal course of events when couples meet through the more traditional routes? That’s right: Intense, relentless, and usually charmless come-ons by drunk and socially clumsy men, that pump girls full of themselves. We’ve entered the age of the narcissistically-charged woman who houses in the well-marbled fat of her skull ham a steroid-injected, Facebook-fed hamster spinning its distaff vessel’s place in the world as the center of existence.

The catalyst for this post was a question by reader Culum Struan, regarding a girl affecting a pose of boredom who wasn’t “biting” on his attempts to connect with her.

I never got through to her emotionally. Even my best stories barely got a mild emotional response – these are GOOD stories and I have a lot of practice. It was just flat. What do you do with these girls?

YaReally, responding, suggests putting the girl in the defensive crouch, qualifying herself to Culum.

Stack disqualifiers lol make fun of her basically. If she isn’t interested in your stories about yoursef then turn the tables and put the spotlight on her instead and put her on the defensive because she likes that more than she likes yapping about her own stories. Drop the stories and go for her emotional jugular and get her qualifying herself and thinking you’re a bit of an asshole but then a nice guy but then an asshole etc etc giving her an emotional rollercoaster ride.

Think of it like you’re entertaining a 5yo with a book but they’re not paying attention or don’t seem that into it. Instead of sticking with the book and it might be a great book that most kids love, calibrate to this kid and throw on an exciting movie instead. Or play a game with them. Engage them on a different level.

What Culum describes — girls who seem impregnable to emotional engagement — is a problem that grows in proportion to the amount of ego validation girls are rewarded with online. The more a girl has her ego stroked by a phalanx of online dating desperadoes, the less she’ll feel the urge or the need to devote her full attention to any individual man unlucky enough to take her on a real world date. What results is a growing brotherhood of men finding they share experiences dealing with selfish, classless American women of mediocre appearance who act like the stereotype of haughty swimsuit models. It’s gotten so bad that actual swimsuit models are proving to be more pleasing dates for men with the balls to ask them out.

Since social media ego validation isn’t leaving us anytime soon, a man must learn the skills that will help him master the polluted dating market moonscape. YaReally continues in this vein, linking to a Mystery seminar video and explaining the concept of “conversational stacking” as a technique designed specifically to deal with egotistic, ADHD, mortally validated girls.

Try stacking it to increase her obsession, 3:57 in this vid.

For anyone who’s checked out the Julien PIMP vids I’ve linked about devalidation stacking, this is the multiple threading concept juliens shit is based on. It’s basically this concept but combined with negs/devalidation. Strongest chick-crack I’ve ever seen, makes the girl obsessed with qualifying herself and correcting your impression of her. Planning to do a write up about it in depth sometime. It’s the first legit evolution of classic MM to adopt it to the social media over-validation/over-entitlement era that I’ve seen.

The value of devalidation in the age of ego validated chicks cannot be overstated. To penetrate a girl’s Tinder-spackled ego fortress, you must first show an active disinterest in her world, and one powerful method to accomplish that attitudinal cue is the veering, shallow, self-amusing, multi-threaded conversation style. As Culum says,

So if I understand right – stacking and changing conversational threads (MM style) is good because it shows lower investment on your part plus creates conversational tension the girl will want to resolve. Julien’s devalidation basically puts the girl into a “box” and that creates tension that the girl will want to resolve by climbing out of the box (hence why we make statements about her and not ask questions). But if you combine the two, you multiply the effect of both strategies – is that it?

Recall the formulation “statement-statement-question“. This is the foundation you want to begin your career in active seduction. (Active seduction simply means you, as a man, aim to have choice in the women you date, rather than drearily accept the fate of the majority of beta males who take what they can get, which is usually an overweight hausfrau.)

Ultimately, the best weapon against internet-abetted female ego validation is LOWER MALE INVESTMENT. If a man must deal with a woman’s hypergonadal ego, (and consequently her revved-up hypergamous impulse), his first order of business must be neutralizing the influence and unclogging the romance-blockage of her ego. This, in practice, means FLIPPING THE SEDUCTION SCRIPT as soon as possible, and creating the perception that you are the chased and she is the chaser. Tactics that work include:

– refraining from asking a girl too many questions,
– skipping around topics of conversation (less investment in any one topic signals that you aren’t much interested in her input, and aren’t seeking her approval),
– disqualifying her as a romantic prospect, and
– treating her with amused mastery, as if she’s a precocious nuisance you could take or leave.

Once you have the girl hooked, you can switch gears and start to qualify her as a possible sex interest and drive for deeper rapport by asking her more open-ended leading questions with sexual undertones.

This isn’t your Greatest Generation’s dating market. Prairie farm ladies aren’t waiting at home for a battle-weary man to rescue them from spinsterhood. Women aren’t effusively grateful to men for giving them the opportunity to exit the singles market. The sexual market has, in sum, devolved from a K-selected one to an r-selected one, and all that goes with such a cataclysmic change. The era of High Male Investment and Low Male Sexiness courtship signaling — poems and flowers and punctuality and appeasing her parents and stressing your financial stability and lavishing her with promises of eternal devotion — is OVER. Or, at least, its effectiveness greatly attenuated. We are now in the era of Low Male Investment and High Male Sexiness, or altered perceptions thereof.

What economically self-sufficient and Pill-freed women want now is a man who can make them FEEL again, and that means, in essence, giving women back the opportunity to do what they used to do without prompting: Making an effort to please men.

A woman is lost, adrift on a murky ocean of her undifferentiated emotions, when she’s robbed of that special female duty to please men. Game — the art and science of learned charisma — can give back to women that which massive social changes and the sexual revolution have wrested from them. Game can save women’s souls.

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  1. on June 22, 2015 at 1:36 pm Jack

    I think overvalue online solicitations. No woman of any reasonable worth imagines or envisions meeting their alpha in shinning armor on an iPhone app. Cold approach in a bar or day game setting will trump all that shit. You can’t replicate the cajones it takes to walk up to a girl and subtly let her know you want to bang her through an “app.”

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 1:39 pm Ohiomega

      You can’t replicate the soul shivving of an in-person rejection, either.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 1:43 pm rugby11ljh

      “You can’t replicate the cajones it takes to walk up to a girl and subtly let her know you want to bang her through an “app.”
      Yet you see with people everywhere these days. With smart phones and apps it hasn’t been fought hard by the people who disagree.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 1:47 pm mendozatorres

        Last year, I was at a bar and at one point, everyone–save for myself–was on their phones….even the bartender was on her phone.

        Nowadays I see people doing that shit and ask if they only go out to simply be on their phones. It confuses them.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 1:59 pm corvinus

      Yes, girls are tiring of looking for men online.

      Anecdotally, the most attractive girls won’t even use Tinder any more (let alone oldsnatch.com), stating that dealing with the men there is far more trouble than it’s worth.

      Average-looking girls still use Tinder, but in many cases it’s only for the entertainment value. They’ll gawk at the more (physically) attractive men, but even then, they don’t actually seem to close much any more.

      The graph shows online flattening out rather than falling like most of the other categories, but I suspect that’s because the fat fugs are piling into the online scene. It’s far easier for them than waiting until 2 AM in a bar for a blacked-out dude to come onto them.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 2:18 pm Mac

        “Anecdotally, the most attractive girls won’t even use Tinder any more (let alone oldsnatch.com), stating that dealing with the men there is far more trouble than it’s worth.”

        yeah, i’ve noticed the same thing. the hottest girls may try out the sites to see what it’s like but they tend to tire of it quickly unless they are in it just for the attention and ego boosts. and most really great looking girls aren’t exactly lacking for attention offline so if they are looking for relationships, they aren’t even going to need the online exposure.

        i also think a lot of girls see tinder as a site for sluts and they don’t want to be associated with that.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 2:42 pm dog faced boy

        “girls are tiring of looking for men online.”

        the trick is to catch them post breakup when they join online dating sites out of curiosity, boredom, friend’s advice, etc.

        timing is everything. they might give it a week. probably less. get their info and meet before they delete their profiles because of all the garbage offensive messages they get.

        any girl who’s been online dating for more than a few weeks is low value. and reading about women who have been online dating for years is hilarious

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 4:14 pm 88

        @ dog faced boy

        everything you say is true and that’s great advice.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 8:51 pm Ripp

        @ dog

        100%

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 1:46 pm corvinus

        Yup, I looked up the paper where the chart came from, and as I suspected, it’s true that it’s the losers (which Dr. Rosenfeld nicely refers to as those “in a thin market”) who look for love online:

        “We go beyond previous analyses to explain which subgroups of Americans are more likely to meet their partners online, and why. Specifically, we show that gays, lesbians, and middle aged heterosexuals- three groups who inhabit thin markets for romantic partners- are particularly likely to have found their partners online. Individuals are in a thin market for potential partners when the cost of identifying multiple potential partners who meet minimum criteria may be large enough to present a barrier to relationship formation. We propose that for single adults in thin dating markets, improvements in the efficiency of Internet search may be especially useful and important.”

        [CH: gay men use online for insta-hookups. it’s not because there’s a thin market (most gays line in heavily gay metro regions with a plethora of gay bars), it’s because online apps streamline the process of selecting gay men for sex based entirely on looks. gay men place the same emphasis on looks that straight men do.]

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 1:50 pm corvinus

        The original paper:
        http://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rosenfeld_How_Couples_Meet_Working_Paper.pdf

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 2:09 pm corvinus

        Also, as far as age disparities go, 19% of similar-age (10 yr apart) couples.

        By contrast, 18% of similar-age couples and 19% of disparate-age couples met through family (the only meatspace venue for which we have data).

        There are no tables provided for other contexts, but plainly, if you’re a man in your 30s who wants a young woman, online simply isn’t a good option. There definitely is a significant online bias toward same-age couples, which is unsurprising given that most girls think they want men their own age.

        [CH: online biases against any face-to-face appeal, which includes charm, self-possession, and, yes, looks (a person’s 3D looks can vary from his 2D compression). age is of course listed front and center in most online profiles, so it’s giving women a handy excuse to filter out men based on nothing but age.]

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 2:12 pm corvinus

        Trying again, since greater-than and less-than signs cause problems:

        19% of similar-age couples (less than ten years apart) met online, as opposed to 14% of disparate-age couples (more than ten years apart).

        By contrast, 18% of similar-age couples and 19% of disparate-age couples met through family (the only meatspace venue for which we have data),

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 10:51 am da GBFM lzzzzzzzlzlz (TM)

      once upon a time
      a man had the right
      to his wife’s and daughter’s
      butts

      this untapped resource
      was seized during the sexual revolution
      as women were told
      to tweet blog instagram and facebook
      pictures of their butt
      so that mark zuckerberg
      could make billions
      by selling advertising
      around said butts
      and using said butts
      to attract men
      so that corporations
      could spy and compile
      data on men
      base on their interections
      with
      said butts

      lzozolzozozozo

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  2. on June 22, 2015 at 1:40 pm Game In The Ego Validation Age | Neoreactive

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  3. on June 22, 2015 at 1:41 pm rugby11ljh

    LOWER MALE INVESTMENT. If a man must deal with a woman’s hypergonadal ego, (and consequently her revved-up hypergamous impulse), his first order of business must be neutralizing the influence and unclogging the romance-blockage of her ego. This, in practice, means FLIPPING THE SEDUCTION SCRIPT as soon as possible, and creating the perception that you are the chased and she is the chaser. Tactics that work include:

    – refraining from asking a girl too many questions,
    – skipping around topics of conversation (less investment in any one topic signals that you aren’t much interested in her input, and aren’t seeking her approval),
    – disqualifying her as a romantic prospect, and
    – treating her with amused mastery, as if she’s a precocious nuisance you could take or leave.
    Got to try this

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 8:23 pm Captain Obvious

      But look at what is happening here. You have to turn yourself into a raging jack@ss hyper-rude punk in order to get through to these Cluster A/B/C nutcases. WTF?!? Surely there are enough nice girls out there that you don’t have to become a Dark Triad monster just to have fun with a chick. Yeah, I know these techniques work, every time they’re tried, and not to sound too Matt-King-ish, but sh!t d@mn think about the effect that all this “Means-not-an-End” treatment of other human beings is going to have on your immortal soul.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 8:25 pm Captain Obvious

        Kurt Vonnegut: “We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Night

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 8:26 pm Captain Obvious

        Immanuel Kant: “Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative#The_Second_Formulation

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 11:54 pm Ripp

        @capn O

        “but sh!t d@mn think about the effect that all this “Means-not-an-End” treatment of other human beings is going to have on your immortal soul”

        That’s the wrong way to look at it.

        This emerging/evolving tenet of game is and will always be a ‘response’ to the macro changes that have occurred since feminist indoctrination, and is more so being catylised by high tech.

        For men to not have this knowledge and further subject themselves to blue pill beta bux dating carnage, only perpetuates the soulessness that already exists.

        having a weapon to break down the sludge of high-tech feminine narcissism to possibly create an opportunity to form healthy K selected pair bonding is better than being consumed and powerless to its soul devouring inertia.

        And give yourself some credit bro…you’re nowhere near the sexless homo erotic delusional denial of matt Queen B…

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 7:41 am Captain Obvious

        Ripp, I completely agree with everything you say, but WHO IS IN CHARGE HERE? The Eskimos pollute these girls minds’ with Cluster B poisoning from Abby Cadabby [Sesame Street] through Princess Barbie and then Disney [Britney/Miley] followed by Friends and $ex&theCity and finally V@gin@ Monologues. And what do we do? We REACT to the Eskimo cultural poisoning by becoming Dark Triad monsters, and, in so doing, we lose the kindness and gentleness and good manners and patience [and dare I say sense of Grace?] which were once the hallmark of Our Race. The Eskimos are pushing [“PRO-actively”] a complete makeover of our personalities and all we do is RE-ACT to their poisoning.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 10:52 am Ripp

        I hear ya man.

        It is a hard lesson of the red pill to accept we are being f*cked right in front of our faces- and even that many of our own have been weakened and turned against us.

        Zooming way out of the game context and looking at the time history and trajectory of the course is madening no doubt.

        Why are we having to react to this to maintain a quality of life that a man deserves?

        How do we turn the tide?

        I contemplate this all the time. I’ve throttled my game activity in the past year to exit the Corp world and start my own business. And damn it is hard. But I know on an individual and family/community level it is the right thing to do. And I’m glad I have the game knowledge to satisfy my needs while building the castle.

        however from the greater good perspective though I’m not sure there is any other remedy than a WN secession or movement of some sort.

        Was reading on vdare an article about the comments sections within the MSM and Internet in general. People know more and more what’s going on.

        I believe what we’re done by talking about it and exposing it is the right course…

        …and when we log out its OK to game some bitches and not put up with their sh1t…

        Heh

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  4. on June 22, 2015 at 1:42 pm Donohoe

    Yeah for me tinder is basically all asshole game

    Although julien blanc has some interesting approaches

    Opinions on his pity play messages?

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  5. on June 22, 2015 at 1:44 pm mendozatorres

    “treating her with amused mastery, as if she’s a precocious nuisance you could take or leave.”

    Been doing this as of late. Not only is it fun and effective, it plays to my strengths!

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  6. on June 22, 2015 at 1:55 pm Game In The Ego Validation Age | Manosphere.com

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  7. on June 22, 2015 at 1:59 pm Anonymous

    one of my plates was acting flaky when i suggested we meet up, i replied with ‘ok’

    next day i get a text from her saying ‘are you upset with me?’

    what is the best way to proceed from here?

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 2:16 pm James Blonde

      do you have a photo of her on your phone?

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 2:16 pm Sentient

      “We’ll see how you play your cards” – this fits many situtions…

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 2:32 pm Donohoe

      I’d treat the ‘are you upset with me’ as a shit test

      ‘Yes! I’ve had to demote you to booty call #3’

      Makes her qualify herself (check)
      Shows you don’t care (check)
      Preselected (check)
      Humour (check)

      Never let the bitches see you sweat

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 2:52 pm Greg Eliot

      “Naw… wait, which (her name) are you again?”

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 2:58 pm Nickel Mgtow

      What can I advice you to do? Play dead. Don’t answer her. Let her text you back. Text you again. Then, she’ll call you. Pick up, say you’re busy, and you’ll call her back for a night at your place (but don’t GIVE HER A DATE)

      Then, text her in the afternoon. “Hey, what you doing, you wanna come home at 9?” and wait.

      I remember how I totally crashed my last pick up with a chick in bar because I tried to reassure her. She wanted to be treated with contempt.

      Because to some women, a guy that doesnt beg, wait, pander or listen to them but have barely time for them is of HIGH-VALUE!

      Treat her how you’d hate a guy’d treat your sister… and she’ll propose you to fuck her, so she can have her validation.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 4:05 pm Donohoe

        Bitch please

        This totally depends on the value of the girl

        A girl with 5 guys texting her isn’t gonna care if he doesn’t reply – not replying is like saying he doesn’t care, so why should she

        Not replying will only work if she’s a HB4 with no options or if you two have already been ‘dating’/fucking for a while

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 3:04 pm Mario

      Sth random and low investment…
      ” I’m at the gym right now” ( release the hamster)
      “Very upset” (A&A)

      But my ultimate vote goes to
      ” 8=====D “

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 3:58 pm Sentient

        Very upset – could be good if you let it spin up the hamster and her respond to you a few times and then finish her off with something banal like “I can’t figure out if the choclate got put in the peanut butter or the peanut butter got put in the chocolate”

        You want the “you’re such an ass ” responses.

        Up down up down up down go the emotions.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 8:53 pm Ripp

      “I’m hungry”

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 12:00 am Ripp

      A neutralizing tactic I’ve used many before:

      Her: “u upset with me?”

      You: “about…?”

      serves as confusion game and light neg/false dq.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 5:32 am Sentient

        Great response . also keeps it in your frame.

        Just be aware of the flipped script – like she says “I d k you seem so xyz ” and then she has you qualifying to her…

        Plan two moves ahead.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 6:54 am Anonymous

        i responded with ‘about??’

        she replied ‘ok you are not upset then haha’

        reply or ignore?

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 8:32 am Sentient

        Beaver chewing stick animated gif.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 10:59 am Ripp

        Ya an animated cat gif or something or even no response would be fine.

        One suggestion is to get in the habit of letting her respond last. And try to disengage from the tendency (all men do this) to be linear in txt convo with women.

        the same advice YaReally put above can be transposed to TXT game. multithread, statement statement question etc

        I always like “stop thinkn about me and get back to work”

        this one always works for me:
        “254….255……2…..5……6…..ugh….one handed pushups” and put the arm emoji…

        lol….swear it always works

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 2:53 pm Anonymous

        thanks for all advice from everyone

        ill go with no reply for now ripp and reopen in a week or so if she doesnt

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 12:12 am Jaqueniel O. Snoddenhopper

      Shit test: “Are you upset with me?”

      Correct answer: “What?”

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 3:33 pm Anonymous

        I finally learned: the correct answer is no reply at all. Any situation. A man is too busy to text. I finally became that man and it has paid off with FBs trying to come over every night but only being granted permission to come service me once per week. YaReally was right. The FB gets about one text per day: come over tonight. 9. No replies rest of day. Too busy.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 11:23 am Jason773

      “come over and bring da movies”

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  8. on June 22, 2015 at 2:01 pm Tim

    “dating websites serve as mediums for the uninterrupted fluffing, however superficial, of the tumescent self-perceptions of every halfway bangable girl ”

    Now THAT’S penmanship!

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  9. on June 22, 2015 at 2:18 pm corvinus

    My commentary on the statistics for couples meeting (as of 2011):

    Coworkers: the plunging in this one has been particularly steep. Obviously, the toxic workplace environment regarding sexual harassment has strengthened the “don’t date coworkers” rule to near-ironclad.

    College: the dipping in this one hasn’t been as strong. Those in the Greek system still usually date each other, but apparently even here, coupling has been slowing down.

    Family: probably below 5% by now. Apparently, picking up your younger sister’s hot friends has become almost non-existent, even though one would expect them to be more open than other girls.

    Church: near zero and dropping. It’s now 2015, and it’s probably essentially zero right now. The churches are full of older women and lickspittle beta males, with very few attractive young women and even fewer attractive men. Even among the Mormons and Southern Baptists, it would seem.

    Online: this graph shows a leveling out, but since 2011, my anecdotal impression is that online coupling has started to fall, especially among the average to hot girls. The amount of creepy solicitation and thirsty men coming on to them is way too much even for attention-whoring purposes, and the hotter girls now have to brush off harassment from persistent guys they’ve rejected but can’t take a hint. Online is probably still extremely popular among warpigs, though.

    Bars/restaurants: Our good friend alcohol appears to be the only thing keeping the sexes at each other. It’s the only meetup method that is increasing as of 2011, and my impression is that it isn’t any less true today.

    Friends: the usual way of meeting girls, but even it has been dropping since the 1990s. If I had to put my finger on as to why, my guess would be that female friends don’t socialize and network with alphas too much any more; although they still have plenty of beta suckups, they don’t often lead to actual couples, unless the girl is ugly.

    In my own case, I’ve been meeting girls mostly through bar/restaurant scene with some through friends and college. Once in a while through family (usually my younger sister). As for online, church, or coworkers, nada.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 3:54 pm mendozatorres

      That church arc has quite the downward angle. Interesting that online spikes right up until before 2010. The Great Recession? HAHA…too many sloppy seconds perhaps!

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 4:16 pm 88

        pretty sure it’s the sloppy seconds.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 6:38 pm corvinus

        Sloppy seconds… I suppose you could put it that way. The flattening out may have happened as attractive women leave the online scene, being replaced by fatso at approximately the same rate, whereas hordes of progressively thirstier beta males drop in and out in parallel with the warpigs coming in.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 10:40 pm The Spirit Within

      Re: friends — It’s an increase in social cocooning. Read Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam. We literally have fewer friends IRL.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 12:45 am Glengarry

      Replacement of actual friends with Facebook Friends?

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  10. on June 22, 2015 at 2:32 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    I have problems with both color blindness and vision in general. Is there anyway you can post these charts with words on the lines and allow them to be clicked on and magnified? I can’t make heads or tails of this. Thanks in advance.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 3:00 pm corvinus

      At the right-hand edge (2011), from top to bottom (i.e., most to least), it’s: Friends, Restaurant/Bar, Online, Coworkers, College, Family, Church.

      Restaurant/Bar is the only one increasing as of 2011, online is flat, and all the others are dropping.

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  11. on June 22, 2015 at 2:41 pm Bel Riose

    What about Matt-King style Big Brother Game…?

    Effective/not effective?

    I mean, we know how it worked out for him, but what about the rest of us?

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 6:37 pm Philomathean

      Queer

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  12. on June 22, 2015 at 2:43 pm newlyaloof

    I altered the first two paragraphs for married people:

    How do you game a MARRIED girl who HASN’T received twenty solicitations for sex and fifty compliments on her beauty all before 11AM? This is the problem that MARRIED men face in the MEET THE WALL age, when Facebook LIKES and HOT FUDGE SUNDAYS serve as mediums for the uninterrupted AGING, however INCREMENTAL, of the SWOLLEN self-perceptions of every halfway bangable WIFE with an internet connection or a LAW-LOCKED BETA plan.

    MARRIAGE is no minor obstacle to love and romance. The UNION is the enemy of intimacy, and female FUPAS that have been inflated to the bursting point are a neural (and neurotic) bunker between you and a WIFE’S HYMEN. Evidence of this mass female FUPA inflation comes directly from men’s testimonials and indirectly from data showing trends in how MARRIED WOMEN EAT.

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  13. on June 22, 2015 at 2:56 pm elmer

    I a glad I locked down a ForeignBride before all these smarty-phone apps emerged.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 3:11 pm Anonymous

      Game was designed for entitled, white American women.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 3:38 pm elmer

        Well I found on VietnamCupid, so I am just as guilty as the dick-transmitting hordes.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 10:38 pm The Spirit Within

      The apps are, overall, a boon … but only if you’re single.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 10:36 am Kate Minter

      I’ve just written something about a digital dating diet. Take a peek if interested. It’s more geared towards women and learning to put a limit on their choices even though there appears to be no incentive to do so. However, it does apply to men too.

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  14. on June 22, 2015 at 3:06 pm Anonymous

    “Piers Morgan @piersmorgan
    What would I do with white people who use the N-word? Jail them.”

    What would I do with people who want to tear up the Bill of Rights? Deport to North Korea.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 3:10 pm Greg Eliot

      And yet he and his ilk are the first to decry overcrowded jails in America, as if it’s only due to “victimless” drug-related crimes and such.

      Go figger. And Piers, of all people, should know better, after his Apprentice experiences with that Odorosa, or whatever the fuck that negress’s name was.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 6:35 pm corvinus

      Or deport him to some heavily Paki-infested section of a city in his homeland.

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  15. on June 22, 2015 at 3:30 pm jsr

    “A woman is lost, adrift on a murky ocean of her undifferentiated emotions, when she’s robbed of that special female duty to please men.”

    Sounds very similar to “Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.” 1 Corinthians 11:9

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 3:34 pm Putin

      Yeh, i had to laugh when i saw that line. Coming full circle.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 6:36 pm The Other Anonymous

      Bonus Question: Can you cite the scripture that says “Dick is abundant and low value” ?

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 8:58 pm Bill

        100th Carousel 22:2

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 8:32 am mendozatorres

        Nice!

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  16. on June 22, 2015 at 3:30 pm Putin

    Amazing how much bolder women are behind glass when it comes to ioi.

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  17. on June 22, 2015 at 3:37 pm nathan

    The situation looks much more bleak on paper than it does in reality. Through mutual friends are still the most common way couples meet and I doubt that will change anytime soon. How many quality woman are meeting guys on dating sites anyway? Are the women on these sites the type of women you would want to marry, date, or even have a short-term fling with?

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 4:17 pm 88

      “Are the women on these sites the type of women you would want to marry, date, or even have a short-term fling with?”

      no, they are not.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 12:07 am Ripp

      “have a short-term fling with?”

      that is THE reason.

      it’s the fast food of dating. With Tinder being the Starbucks drivethru.

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  18. on June 22, 2015 at 3:39 pm martin

    I view the decline in work and family as a way of meeting women a result of the decline in the family and the increasing stratification of the workplace as a result of ironically trying to make things more equal. It was quite common in the past that parents would take the responsibility on themselves for ensuring that their children met good matches. I think to some extent India still does this and as far as I can tell, they have a low divorce rate. What we have now is an every-man-for-himself free for all situation and tinder and bar pickups reflect that.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 8:22 pm joel

      The workplace dropoff I have seen in medicine. Once, the docs were all male. They married co-workers (nurses.) Now, 1/2 the docs are female. The docs marry each other.

      This is not good for a lot of reasons.

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  19. on June 22, 2015 at 3:48 pm PWN

    I don’t think stacking is an artificial technique. For example, negging is a little disingenuous because you give a back handed compliment to a girl you find attractive, but stacking is just the normal way people relate to one another. Whenever I talk to people, I run multiple threads, be it my parents, my friends, people during job interviews or girls and people do this effortlessly, unless they have some mental issues. What’s tricky with girls(and job interviews, but less so) is that you must find a few DHV stories that you somehow stack together.

    I think I’ll start reading your blog from the beginning and see how it was over half a decade ago.

    The graph above is interesting. It shows that online dating stole ‘market share’ from meeting through friends and coworkers. It’s interesting because that and meeting through your family are the most natural ways for humans to find a mate. The reason we get approach anxiety and similar feelings is because the way we relate to one another is becoming more and more artificial/fake.

    So the church one collapsed with the millennials becoming the ones dating and marrying, the college one increased as more and more girls started attending and then it started to decrease as marrying ages continued to increase and as men started to be fewer on campus, coworkers and friends decreased to give way to online dating. Meeting girls through family probably started to decrease since after WW2 and bars/restaurants are obvious. Day game sucks based on that graph though.

    I need to start hitting on girls under 20 to see how they think. Here the way women think changes really fast as we converge towards Western ways and I’m curious how far the gangrene on the female soul progressed in the years that passed since I was in my early university years. It’s just that I have no idea where to hit on them except clubs or online(which I hate because I don’t have good pictures – when your DHV stuff was centered around being a party animal, you don’t really want pictures of it around, unless you’re Bilzerian; plus, not sure if pictures of you doing drugs off a girl’s body would be allowed on tinder anyway lol).

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  20. on June 22, 2015 at 3:49 pm martin

    I have not found MM techniques such as the indirect question asking or multi-threaded or even single threaded conversations to be effective in places where there are either lots of other guys or where you have a very short window of opportunity. I have not tried some of his other ideas yet like just using quick negs.

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  21. on June 22, 2015 at 4:05 pm walawala

    I meet girls online, at parties/social circle and sometimes street game. There’s a girl who keeps giving me IOi’s at my party…she’s ok, cute, kind of curvy, 20’s, funky demeanour. She comes over and has a beer with me even though she claims to hate beer…I said to her “Let’s have a beer” meaning I would have one there at the party. Her: “You mean we’ll leave and have one?” I was a bit surprised because this girl had a really low-key, quiet personality but here she was asking me to leave. That night I didn’t because I was having a good time at the party. I later texted her to say “Next time let’s sneak out for drinks”. She wrote back almost instantly: “Ok”.

    The point here is girls are often waiting for a guy to take charge and even the quiet ones are not really “quiet” if you know how to engage them into talking about themselves. Mystery’s method is fine but I find it a bit too generic.

    Better is Krauser’s Question’s Game which was had a dedicated post here. Once you get girls talking about: “How old were you when you first kissed a boy?” She’ll be asking you: “When was the last time you kissed a girl?” Like the shy one I was out with Sunday asked me. That was my cue for the make out.

    My one blind-spot is not realizing the extent of my own charisma. At times I feel like I’m the same gameless beta I used to be if a girl shit-tests me…I sometimes take it personally while externally just smiling and laughing it off with “Nice try” of “Rightttttttttt….” or “Ohhhhhhhhh……?”

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 4:47 pm Culum Struan

      Wala: “My one blind spot..”

      Yeah I do this too, but less over time. Like yesterday I first-date banged a HB6 (on a good day). I admit I was dumpster diving but I was horny and had no other plans and she was there. She had the misfortune to be the most clingy, boring woman I’ve had the misfortune to go out with. 1 drink to bang in under two hours.

      Anyway, I followed YaReally’s advice and took her for dinner afterwards and sitting there forcing myself to make polite chat and I was constantly reminded “I deserve better than this..I am so much higher quality than her – is this all she has to offer?”. And this is an extreme case, but even with hotter girls I am getting that feeling more and more often..I think that’s my entitlement growing..

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 5:52 pm Heywood Jablome

        First date sex with a Plain Jane is hazardous. Don’t give her an excuse to turn regret into a false rape charge.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 7:46 pm The Other Anonymous

        The old expression goes – for every gorgeous woman you see – there’s a guy thats tired of banging her. This guys’ inner monologue is saying: “I deserve better than this..I am so much higher quality than her – is this all she has to offer?” … outwardly, he has what Chandler called – the infinite languor of a decadent aristocrat mouldering away in a ruined chateau. It’s a great attitude to have – right up until the point where Yoko Ono starts sleeping over.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 8:51 pm Captain Obvious

        CS, your life will only change when you stop banging chicks purposelessly and start banging chicks purposefully. All the purposeless forn!cat!on with HB10s in this world is not going to give you what you’re searching for.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 10:36 pm The Spirit Within

        @Captain Obvious

        And who says that procreating with a woman in today’s legal climate is any more fulfilling?

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 5:40 am Sentient

        Follow that inner voice Culum… Better to fail with hot girls than to feel shame.

        Now to each his own of course… One man’s 7 is another man’s 9 and all that and sometimes a sweet disposition makes up for a lot. However you know the line when you feel it.

        You need some fb’s to call on.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 9:48 pm PWN

      “At times I feel like I’m the same gameless beta I used to be if a girl shit-tests me”
      That happens to me with approach anxiety and feeling like I have nothing in common with other people until I start talking and we click. What’s awkward is that shit tests and relationship game isn’t something I struggle with, but just like shit tests sometimes cause you to feel like a beta, I seem to be ‘triggered’ by opening. It’s weird because I’ve generally had good experiences once opening and all the girls I’ve been with liked me more than I liked them, except my first girlfriend whom I liked more, and my last serious gf with which it was mutual, although I hid part of my fondness of her so she thinks she cared more. lol

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      • on June 24, 2015 at 6:27 am Reco

        @pwn this describes me to a T. I always feel that weakness at opening even though it almost always goes very well. And when I get past the open to relationships or shit testing I also do well.

        It’s the open that gets me the most the approach that fucks me up. More than that the anticipation of the approach.

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  22. on June 22, 2015 at 4:11 pm Undertow

    Since applying CH, YaReally, Walawala, and Sentient I’ve gained a bit of a harem on my hands, however I may have hit a snag.

    HB 8.5, I know she likes me more than an FB, we’ve got history, she assumes I’m seeing other girls (true), however she doesn’t initiate. Didn’t text her for over a month in the spring, she got back to me recently. Saw her a few times as one of my other girls is now in an LTR (beta with major $$).

    This past weekend I see her, take her out, sex for hours etc. stayed the night – have done this a few times. Usually I leave without saying shit, but this time I told her in a joking/kinda serious tone – if you wanna see me ever again, text me. Left with good feels.

    Thing is, not sure if I buried myself a hole there – I’ve got plans with a 7.5 this wknd, but next wknd, who knows..

    Bitch is playin’ hard to get, was I in the right to say what I said, or should I have said anything at all. I wanna make plans with her the wknd after next, though with what I’ve said, do I gotta wait this one out?

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 12:02 am walawala

      @Undertow Nah, you’re thinking way too logically. The girl may or may not text but she’ll still expect you to take the lead.

      I have a 24 year old I’m banging who I make plans with, she’s “busy”, but she’s just spinny…so I’ll leave it, then pick it up, she doesn’t act differently over this.

      Two things come to mind here from personal experience. THe first is you’re doing great. But your blind spot here is that when you start to take these girls seriously or favour one over the other, then you slip up.

      If you want to see HB 8.5, text her on some pretext: “Hey, what trouble you causing?” is one I use regularly. Take it from there but have a back up plan.

      No, you didn’t box yourself in because you take the “text me if you want to see me” putting the lead in her hands…she’s a girl…she’s unlikely to take the initiative unless the mood strikes her which could happen at any time. If you want to see her, take the lead but don’t over-play this or your neediness will be transmitted and she’ll back off.

      Here’s my text exchange with the 28 year old I was making out with this week:

      Me: let’s cook on June 30th, next day is a public holiday. Think of a recipe to make

      Her: No, you cook lol

      Me: No, what is your contribution?

      Her: Wash dishes as you asked

      Me: ok

      Her: Then you don’t cook too many lol

      Me: You we’ll order sushi and coke

      Her: Or u make sushi

      Me: You buy the tuna, make the rice like a sous chef and I’ll whack it together. And dress in geisha outfit to serve

      Her Huh?

      Me; After dinner feed me grapes

      Her: Like a king lol What is your contribution?

      Me: I’m the man you’re the woman

      Her: So?

      Me: You’ll figure it out

      Her: Lol

      this shit testing girl wants to come over but wants to be swept away, The seemingly endless banter is chick crack for her. Note how she plays along.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 5:39 am Undertow

        Excellent breakdown.

        How long do you “leave it, then pick it back up”.

        Couple weeks?

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 9:46 am walawala

        @Undertow leave it at least a week, then whatever makes sense, if she’s in town, you have time, you want to set something up, just proceed as normal.

        She’s not going to remember “oh he said for me to call him…” if she does, just make a joke of it: “I wear the pants in this chat young lady…” Most she’ll do is say no. if she does, next her. Simple

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 1:11 pm Mario

      Undertow
      “if you wanna see me ever again, text me”
      Sry, but thats just wrong. You have to be in charge and take repsonsibility no matter what. leave chick into leading role – first implies you cant lead, second – you are burdening her with responsibility = flake about to happen

      Been there, said the same stupid line.
      Post bang -“wanna hang again, text me” reply : Yes, I will (with smile) – of course it never happened. I had to take her out by myself for the next dates. And exactly as wala writes, such response subcommunicates neediness, making moves was less effective and I had to bail out after couple dates

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 5:19 pm Undertow

        @ Mario

        So what’s the game plan.

        Go ghost for a couple weeks, then hit her up ala wala’s suggestion?

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  23. on June 22, 2015 at 4:13 pm Anonymous

    Since applying CH, YaReally, Walawala, and Sentient I’ve gained a bit of a harem on my hands, however I may have hit a snag.

    HB 8.5, I know she likes me more than an FB, we’ve got history, she assumes I’m seeing other girls (true), however she doesn’t initiate. Didn’t text her for over a month in the spring, she got back to me recently. Saw her a few times as one of my other girls is now in an LTR (beta with major $$).

    This past weekend I see her, take her out, sex for hours etc. stayed the night – have done this a few times. Usually I leave without saying shit, but this time I told her in a joking/kinda serious tone – if you wanna see me ever again, text me. Left with good feels.

    Thing is, not sure if I buried myself a hole there – I’ve got plans with a 7.5 this wknd, but next wknd, who knows..

    Bitch is playin’ hard to get, was I in the right to say what I said, or should I have said anything at all. I wanna make plans with her the wknd after next, though with what I’ve said, do I gotta wait this one out?

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 4:32 pm Putin

      Yep, the less you say the better unless it is “I just want to be friends” after you have sex with her.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 5:53 pm Sentient

      So who’s frame were you in when you said that?

      Ding ding ding!

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 6:04 pm Anonymous

        @ Sentient – I’m sleep fucked, what do you mean by that.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 6:38 pm Sentient

        Think about what you said. Is this in her frame or yours? It’s in her frame you are giving her the decision… You think you put it out In your frAme but you are seeking something from her – equals her frame. She has the power.

        If you said something like “not bad. But you’re going to have to work harder to get in my rotation” that is from your frame. See?

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 6:39 pm Sentient

        Call me if you want to…. Greg will get that song reference.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 7:05 pm Tilikum

      I can’t even understand what you want.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 7:13 pm Anonymous

        @ Tilikum – I want to be on the reg with this one. She’s my ideal pornstar.

        @ Sentient – Yeah, totally. Rookie move on my behalf. Do I now just wait shit out, or go proactive in a couple weeks with an emoji dick pic, etc..

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 7:32 pm Tilikum

        You are gonna have to pull relationship game..beta bait.

        Leave your soul at home or she will be somebody else’ porn star.

        How it is.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 7:39 pm Anonymous

        Fair enough – what sorta beta bait do I throw on her?

        Didn’t I just put myself between a rock and a hard place by telling her to text me.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 7:54 pm Tilikum

        Nah dude you likely already got mad alpha credo and are overgaming. I’d suggest some involuntary vulnerability on your part. Invent a dead dog or granny.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 7:59 pm Anonymous

        True.

        We have history – she’s not a new pick up.

        I told her I don’t know why I’m still attracted to you, but with you bein’ all coy, you’re making me lose interest.

        For me personally, I want her to iniate a text – shouldn’t be that difficult..

        Vulnerability is interesting.. I’m no super alpha, though yeh I’m more than likely over gaming in some form.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 8:18 pm Tilikum

        Read what you wrote. You literally just told her to be coy.

        Careful… this story is how dudes get locked down.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 5:46 am Sentient

        Oneitis alert Anon… She will smell that a mile off. You need to be coy not her.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 1:11 pm Undertow

      haha, well I’m getting conflicting advice from two heavy hitters – walawala and Sentient – kinda at a stalemate here.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 3:47 pm Anonymous

        Wala a heavy hitter lol

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      • on June 24, 2015 at 1:05 pm Putin

        “Wala a heavy hitter lol”

        I don’t support his goals but with that said his field reports and transparency are second to none. So yes, he is a heavy hitter. I see very few who tell the whole story. Usually you just see philosophy and never any authentic field reality.

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  24. on June 22, 2015 at 4:40 pm Culum Struan

    Wow, front page! My first time..

    *sheds a tear*

    It’s all true though – that’s a great explanation of what I was sort of edging my way to in that comment..

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  25. on June 22, 2015 at 4:41 pm Turk

    I always ask the question when I see a guy going out with a better looking girl he found through his social circle:

    Would he have got her if they met in a club? 90% he would get blown out, let alone have balls to approach.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 4:53 pm 88

      yeah, you’re probably right.

      i’ve had a couple situations where i ended up going out with girls who i had known from school and we reconnected later through social media. these were VERY attractive girls and i have no doubt that if we’d met up without having the school history, it wouldn’t have gone anywhere.

      i didn’t even date them in school so there was no romantic history or anything but having a common past, knowing a lot of the same people, etc. gave us a feeling of being connected and probably gave her a sense of comfort that wouldn’t have been there if we were total strangers.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 6:34 pm corvinus

        That’s why the “Friends” category is on top. The fact it was heading downward toward “Bar/Restaurant” is quite shocking if you think about it.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 3:43 pm Mac

        “The fact it was heading downward toward “Bar/Restaurant” is quite shocking if you think about it.”

        yeah, that is pretty messed up.

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  26. on June 22, 2015 at 5:22 pm Putin

    Heard a guy in his office today saying to someone on the phone “you always fight me and argue on everything” in an almost
    beta and end of his rope way. It reminded me of the bickering I had with my wife before she was gamed. Anyway it could of been a business call but it seemed like it was a family member. Why this caught my attention is because a while back he told me he had 5 daughters and my response was something to the effect of how do you handle all those females. His response was that of whatever do you mean, they are all very calm and level headed, as if I was crazy or hated women. He seemed to act like his was a very calm and logical person.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 5:24 pm Putin

      ..his wife was a very calm level headed person….

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 5:26 pm Anonymous

      …His wife…

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  27. on June 22, 2015 at 5:23 pm lichthof

    Before I discovered game I use be totally deflated by hot chicks I knew who had 4000 friends mostly guys on facebook. You soon realize most of these guys are omega but still difficult to deflate a girl’s ego with that.

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  28. on June 22, 2015 at 5:28 pm Game In The Ego Validation Age | Reaction Times

    […] Source: Heartiste […]

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  29. on June 22, 2015 at 5:33 pm YaReally

    Seriously. That PIMP vid by Julien that I linked is the answer to this article’s question. I’m not exaggerating.

    Culum’s description is basically it but there’s a fuckload of other dynamics involved when you do it:

    – self-amusement (you’re not bothering to let her defend herself you’re just moving on on your terms instead of letting her lead the direction of the conversation. A lower value guy lets her lead the convo cuz he wants her to have fun and talk about eat she wants to. A high value guy will do that with someone who’s EARNED it but some bar chick hasn’t earned shit just cause she threw on heels and a push-up bra which is crazy because every other guy lets her lead)

    – neg theory (standard shit, it’s not that it necessarily knocks her off her pedestal (negative mindset that assumes you’re starting out lower value than her) it’s demonstrating that she doesn’t impress you by default which implies you’ve had girls at least as hot or hotter than her before because you aren’t dying of thirst like other guys she interacts with and the 10 guys messaging her on tinder and the 100 dudes Liking her selfie etc)

    – abundance (how come you’re fucking around aren’t you scared of losing her why aren’t you trying to impress her like these other guys??)

    – push/pull and cat string theory (dangling winning your interest just out of reach, letting her pass then failing her etc etc)

    – that “he has the wrong impression of me I have to correct” him itch she needs to scratch but you stack it repeatedly so that she has 10 itches (lol) and eventually has to grab you. Imagine how it feels when someone mis-states your view on a subject or quotes you wrong in a way that makes you look bad or mid-represents your views. Instinctively you NEED to correct them. You’ll even do it politely and let then finish and then say “for the record what I ACTUALLY meant was–“. Now imagine before you can get that sentence out they’re already misrepresenting something ELSE about you. And again and again and again. Eventually you grab them and go NO SHUT UP FOR A SECOND LISTEN!!!!! and try to correct it all. It doesn’t matter who that person is and you kind of hate them a little…but you’re emotionally reacting to them. In that moment no one else exists they take over your full attention until it’s resolved.

    – then when that above dynamic plays out and they’re fully qualifying themselves to you, you just interrupt and do like Julien where he’s like “you don’t have to try so hard to impress me, it’s fine I already LIKE you. Relax I LIKE you.” and she’s like “wait wut??” because it’s like she was struggling and then someone just dropped the prize in her lap because of some one thing she did and she’s confused and like oh good I mean wtf just happened??? But you’ve given her an emotional rollercoaster ride that the other guy who was talking to her and the guys on tinder etc have no idea how to make her feel

    – remember ppl bond thru sharing emotional experiences. If we can’t talk but we survive on an island after a plane crash together we will be brothers for life when we get back to civilization. So it doesn’t matter that none of what you did made sense logically. You could make it as ridiculous as possible. “Oh you don’t like older men (loud) wow why do you hate old disabled people? (to the ppl beside you) This girl pushed an old disabled man down the stairs how fucked up is that.” All that matters is that she feels an emotional rollercoaster with you.

    – investment. A prize you don’t have to work for isn’t worth much. The more you invest to get something the more you value it. The harder it is for her to get you to like her, the more value your attention must be worth. Chick logic. “If I’m investing so much effort to qualify myself to him so he views me right, then he must be high value because I wouldn’t qualify myself to a low value man”. When Julien gets into his “get on your knees and beg me for my number” stuff (and like his infield clip in that vid where he tells the girl she thinks he’s just like any other guy and makes her grab him and tell him she likes him and makes her say what she likes about him etc) he making them invest hardcore. Because they invest so much, they need closure. ie – if you beg a girl to take your number, she’s not going to give a shit when you txt. But if you make HER beg, and in juliens case basically debase herself for your approval and drive her thru enough qualifying and investing she will NEED to fuck you to justify all that investment…because if she invests all that and debases herself for you then DOESNT get the lay, I mean, then she was just dumb and embarrassed herself. But if she fucks you then it was all a brilliant plan on her part. At least that’s her logic lol

    There’s a bunch of other dynamics it demonstrates but you guys can figure it out, it’s not really important, just go DO it and see what happens.

    The reason this is built for modern girls is that every chick is getting retarded validation left and right. Even a 4 with good MySpace angles can have guys on Instagram begging for her attention. And not just loser chode guys but fucking jacked good looking rich dudes, begging to date them or fly them to Italy and buy them shit. Instagram Facebook twitter tinder hotornot okcupid POF and those are just services that’s not wen counting her default huge mass of orbiters she’s collected over the years that text her, like it’s fucking retarded.

    Now when you talk to her, you make a great impression right? She’s all into you and you’re like oh I have that thing in the morning I can’t bang her tonight. You know what I’ll do? I’ll get her number. I’ll get a number close. She’s REALLY into me so it’ll be solid. Maybe she even txts you back that night!! ROCK SOLID! This shit is in the bag right??

    But a couple days later she stops txting back or goes to one word replies or is flaking on meeting up and says she’s busy.

    Wtf just happened????????

    See in the early 2000s and before, when mystery was figuring this shit out, the world was different. He had the girl’s full attention, she had no cell phone, if her friend went to the other side of the bar she was isolated with him and if he got her number on a scrap of paper it was home number and there was no called ID etc so she would just get a random number showing up if that…so you don’t just hand that number out. It’s her parents number too since she lives at home. And when she left the bar all she had to do was think about him and this number she gave out. Over the next week she might meet a new boy at school but she kind of already knows everyone and she has this exciting new guy calling her. And he plays some games, he doesn’t call too soon, when txting came out he made sure to take a while to reply back to show how busy he is

    And that worked fucking GREAT. Back then.

    Now when the girl is IN the bar her phone is like up like a goddamn Xmas tree. When she gets your txt to save your name there are a dozen other txts on her screen. From orbiters to new chiseled jaw chads on tinder and Instagram to drama from her girls to her ex txting her trying to get back together etc etc all sorts of stimulus and shit to captivate her. When 2am comes around in come all the drunk txts from guys and girls too. The next day the hangover texts. Then she updates her Facebook an Instagram about the weekend and gets another flood of likes and messages and txts, James Franco txted her asking her to come to his hotel room, some Saudi Prince with a Ferrari in his pic offered her $10,000 to fly to Dubai, etc etc etc

    And that’s just the 4-8s…you get into 9 and 10 territory esp the social girls who know how to flaunt their looks and like work in the nightlife industry as shooter girls and bartenders and models and shit?

    You think your aloof “hey” txts spread out days apart to not seem needy are even on her fucking radar?

    It’s not that you aren’t awesome. You were great you had attraction. But what happened was you were a $10,000 bill and she won the lottery right after meeting you. You’re cool it would be nice to have $10,000 but if every time you look at your phone you make $10,000, that $10,000 isn’t that big a deal anymore. You aren’t waiting on the edge of your seat for it.

    Mystery figured out how to make himself a $10,000 bill. And that was enough in the early 2000s and before, because the girls were surrounded by $100 guys at best and only a handful.

    But it’s not enough anymore. You need to make a fucking IMPACT.

    Mystery Method had some of that but it was too light and reserved for certain girls who saw themselves as super high value. Now they ALL do even the ugly girls and Julien’s devalidation stacking takes that shit and amplifies it to another level. To the point where you DO stand out from other guys because you are the one guy who can give her insane emotional impact.

    I have this all broken down into an actual repeatable set of steps in traditional MM fashion but I’m still testing some shit out to make sure it’s consistent and that I can fully explain how to apply it in a step by step way. Will post it up when I do.

    Not kidding tho, watch the PIMP vids on YouTube that I link and that mystery section I link and start figuring out how to apply it. This is literally the magic formula to get around this ADD social media validation-fest.

    This is why I make fun of guys and their shitty game when they complain that girls go for looks. They go for looks because you’re boring. You’re either freestyling your game or spam approaching that works on 6s and crossing your fingers it’ll work on 8-10s now and then (no consistency), or you’re running old outdated James Bond or early structured game that just doesn’t have the emotional impact to ignore the Chad thubdercocks for you. You can still be really high value to her, but you are competing with a lot of other shit now so you have to step your emotional impact up.

    No one goes to a theater to watch 2 hours of happy people being happy. They go to feel a rollercoaster of emotions good and bad. It makes them feel alive.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 10:53 pm Ripp

      Well done YR.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 5:39 am Ronin

      And the reason Whorefinder has been right on the money since day got-danged one?

      The logical extension of IMPACT game is …

      .
      Beautiful breakdown, btw. Great stuff.

      Either you are OCD or a freaking fast typist.
      or both.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 5:53 am Sentient

      Sensational… Just sensational.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 10:16 am trav777

      orrrrrrrrrrrrrrr you can just go to brazil and meet way hotter, nicer, younger chicks with half the effort.

      SERIOUSLY, are women here WORTH all this spergy shit? What’s the end game?

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 1:13 pm mendozatorres

      “that “he has the wrong impression of me I have to correct” him itch”

      I used to do this in high school, just to give gals a hard time and having been so beta at the time, I honestly never knew it’d have some promise.

      Time to dust this off again with what I know now.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 1:33 pm YaMar

      “A lower value guy lets her lead the convo cuz he wants her to have fun and talk about eat she wants to.”

      this is why activities are better than just sitting there talking. she can only vomit so many words before you interrupt her with “your turn”, “your shot”, “throw the f’ing darts already” or “I wasn’t listening I was too busy crushing you at nine ball are you sure you’ve played before”

      remember when you were a kid the most boring thing in the world was adults talking. nothing has changed.

      “how come you’re fucking around aren’t you scared of losing her why aren’t you trying to impress her like these other guys??”

      this is some serious dancing monkey crap here only that it wishes to stay hidden. your latest treatise screams nothing if not “impress her and stand out from her crowd of suitors using these carefully tested methods”.

      “But if you make HER beg, and in juliens case basically debase herself for your approval and drive her thru enough qualifying and investing she will NEED to fuck you to justify all that investment”

      fucking is closure for us, not them. all she NEEDS is to turn the tables back to where she feels in control of the situation. unless you keep the imbalance and f close her that night all these antics will amount to nothing because she will wake up the next day and feel stupid and you’ll be in the same place as every other texting dude if not worse.

      we need to fuck to justify investment. they don’t.

      “You can still be really high value to her, but you are competing with a lot of other shit now so you have to step your emotional impact up.”

      look at me. watch me dance. aren’t I a good monkey? give me a treat.

      there is no difference between a bro running this emotional impact game and a beta performing on stage. both hope that their performance will qualify them for some poon. thirsty.

      alpha game is your name and reputation preceeding you so that you open her and she qualifies herself immediately because she knows you’re high value. this is not alpha game so it must be…

      really high value = “drop your phone in the toilet right now” if she complies then you got game.

      soon guys will be cutting off appendages or setting themselves on fire just to give her a little more emotional impact than her gadget. it will totally be worth it though because pussy.

      [CH: do you think you have a plenary indulgence from the prime darwinian directive to attract the opposite sex?]

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 3:29 pm PIATTI

        yamar – +100 …nailed.. club girls and guys desperately needing to bust a nut in scavenger mode – boring

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  30. on June 22, 2015 at 5:34 pm YaReally

    In-depth response in mod.

    I saved this one this time. Suck my nuts, auto-mod.

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  31. on June 22, 2015 at 5:40 pm lifePsyc

    Awesome reframe at the end!

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  32. on June 22, 2015 at 6:35 pm Anon2

    Is there an archived post on Stacking? I don’t quite grasp it well enough….

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 9:35 pm PWN

      Get the Mystery Method. It’s worth it because even if you day game, you will find all the concepts in it useful.

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  33. on June 22, 2015 at 6:58 pm Mr Meaner

    I’ve never found a more efficient way of getting laid than Tinder.

    If you’re halfway decent looking and live in a city with a reasonable population, 7s and 8s on Tinder is like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Am I the only one with this experience?

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 7:08 pm Mac

      you’re right about tinder being good for getting laid. i don’t think that was ever in question. you’re just not going to get relationship quality girls.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 2:50 pm uh

        Where the fuck are those – Idaho?

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 7:14 pm Tilikum

      Know what’s even better… NOT being on tinder. (for the 9-10’s)

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 7:22 pm Putin

        Are there even any 9’s and 10’s on Tinder?

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 9:43 pm Tilikum

        Yes. Don’t let them catch u there.

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      • on June 22, 2015 at 7:47 pm corvinus

        ^This

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 3:55 pm Anonymous

        Tinder is now for blacks.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 5:04 pm Tilikum

        “Tinder is now for blacks.”

        Oh shit… I’ma actually do a blog post on this. SO fucking true.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 7:24 pm Putin

      If that is true than things really have changed. I did not think there were good looking women on there.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 7:45 pm corvinus

      It’s easy only if you’re in your 20s and look like a Calvin Klein model.

      Online, girls usually disqualify older or plainer-looking men, even if the men have great game which is quite sufficient to get the girls to fall for them in real life.

      Another reason I hate the online scene, since you essentially have to use Faggot Game.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 10:33 pm The Spirit Within

      Tinder is efficient. There are some 8s on Tinder. I’ve gamed and banged them.

      But to echo H’s earlier observation, Tinder is really designed for the best-looking guys because it strips away all other social dominance cues. If I were average- or below-average-looking, I’d uninstall the app and start cold approaching like mad.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 6:58 pm James Blonde

        Will they let you post a pic of a pile of powder and a gun?

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  34. on June 22, 2015 at 8:58 pm Anonymous

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4967472

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  35. on June 22, 2015 at 9:02 pm J.J

    CH: What do you say to girls who are in their early to mid twenties when you live at home still but they dont. Im in my early twenties.

    [CH: if your living situation is easy to hide, hide it. if not, own it. “yeah i live with my parents, and my mom still does my laundry. it’s a great gig if you can get it.”]

    Also, what do you do when you ducked up the pickup w/ a chick from wrk and have to see her every day. Ignore her for the most part or what?

    [no, don’t actively ignore her. that will make you appear butthurt. treat her like any other attractive girl at work, flirt and tease, don’t mope around her like you’re ashamed of your behavior.]

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 9:38 pm PWN

      Pretend nothing happened with the chick. And living with your parents sucks when it comes to your love life. If you don’t want to move out yet, fuck at their place. After you fuck them a few times, you can let them know of where you live and how.

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    • on June 22, 2015 at 11:17 pm J.J

      Can you do a blog post on both? I want to read more of your witty repartee.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 11:36 am Anon1234

      You really need to just not give a fuck and bring the tingles. I dated and went out with a side piece for 4.5 months, MONTHS, without her ever coming within 5 miles of where I lived (#2 doesn’t ever get to see the castle, I’m not fucking my world up). Always went to her place and and ignored/deflected when she started bringing it up 1.5 months in.

      At one point I just said “no, we’re not going to my place, I’d rather go to yours. If that doesn’t work then maybe we won’t work.” She didn’t bring it up again because she honestly knew I would call her on it if she tried to bluff.

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  36. on June 22, 2015 at 9:24 pm Capper

    Hey Heartiste;

    This is OT for your current topic, but I wanted to pay respect for your predictions about the church shooter, especially the prediction that they’d find a manifesto. I guess there really is ” a type “.

    Instead of banning flags, a quick trial and speedy execution would make me feel better about the entire thing. I have many family members from South Carolina and we fly the flag sometimes (for fun) at family reunions, as a way of celebrating/paying respect to our family history regarding the civil war. We are a fairly large family and some members have black and Native American spouses. I know you disapprove of such mixings but my point in mentioning it is that none of them have ever had a problem with us flying the flag. They don’t even pay attention to it. I wonder if that will change at the next reunion. People in South Carolina don’t like it when they are “shamed” for their military history, which is what that flag stood for until relatively recently, when northern university SJWs and race baiters decided to make a big issue out of it.

    Sorry for the OT rant…

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  37. on June 22, 2015 at 11:41 pm Anonymous

    Something looks odd in the graph for the 2010 percentages. It seems most of the lines are trending down and only one slightly up. Does this mean people a giving fewer multiple answers, or is there another category that isn’t listed that is getting more share, or something else?

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 12:10 am Ripp

      The ‘black lives matter’ checkbox was left unchecked.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 7:04 am PWN

      lol, if the graph is in percentages, the number of multiple answers don’t really matter. I don’t know why it doesn’t add up at a quick glance. I’d have to see the numbers behind the graph to be able to tell.

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  38. on June 23, 2015 at 1:18 am walawala

    @Culum to add to the op about “I never go through to her emotionally”. I’ve given this some thought. It used to be more of a problem for me until I stopped telling my own stories and started asking her about stupid shit in her life.

    That’s why the Questions Game is so powerful and easy. Once you start with a few questions they really get into it. “What’s the naughtiest thing you ever did as a girl?”

    Run the Cube on her, all girls LOVE this…and then you get them to rate your reading: 50%, 70%, 90% correct. Girls I was going out with used to bring up their readings….it appeals to their vanity and makes you look really intuitive.

    The “emotional connection” comes out of them thinking you’re interested in them. Telling interesting stories—I stopped doing this and started making them guess more.

    “How old are you?” Me: “Guess”

    “Where are you from?” Me: Guess

    then it’s “You’re a terrible guesser, you failed geography didn’t you…you’re not a geography teacher are you?

    Try this and report back. I think you’ll notice a big shift in the ease of interaction. Girls will think you’re some sort of swami who can read them.

    Even crazy ex, when she came out to my New Year’s Eve party said “I didn’t know I was going to come”. to which I replied: “I always knew you’d come”…

    When you make girls feel they’re predictable…it makes them work harder….qualify…

    Try these things…

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 7:02 am PWN

      Bar tricks also help. There’s this game where the other person has to answer questions incorrectly and before the last one you’re like ‘omg, you played this before, haven’t you?’. They’ll invariably say no when they haven’t because they think they won.

      Then you can neg her about her attention span and move on to something else.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 4:42 pm Culum Struan

        PWN – will try that – have heard of some variations of it – but it’s a good trick thanks!

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 4:37 pm Culum Struan

      Wala – noted, will try on this week’s dates. I do do the questions game already but mostly to sexualize hard and escalate in the second hour of the date (I spent some months last year doing it on text and it worked amazingly with women I hadn’t met masturbating for me on Whatsapp etc) but now I try to keep it to turn them on in person and bang. But with the girls who don’t respond to my stories things don’t go well enough to move to that.

      But from what you’re saying is I should talk more about THEM but in an interesting way – I should try to do the questions game a bit earlier..maybe make it less sexually charged early on..and then amp it up slowly. And run comfort routines like the Cube (I stopped doing that years ago but some of these girls are so young they were probably kids when it was popular lol)

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  39. on June 23, 2015 at 1:53 am stuttie

    @CH – Great stuff love your work.

    @ YaReally

    Re the Investment Stage: “But if you make HER beg, and in juliens case basically debase herself for your approval and drive her thru enough qualifying and investing she will NEED to fuck you to justify all that investment…because if she invests all that and debases herself for you then DOESNT get the lay, I mean, then she was just dumb and embarrassed herself. But if she fucks you then it was all a brilliant plan on her part. At least that’s her logic lol”

    This reminds me of one of Robert Cialdini’s Six Principles of Influence;

    Commitment (and Consistency)

    Cialdini says that we have a deep desire to be consistent. For this reason, once we’ve committed ((invested)) to something, we’re then more inclined to go through with it.

    Interesting.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 1:13 pm YaReally

      @stuttie
      A lot of game principles involve that.

      Classic oldschool PUA move is that if you tell a group of bitchy looking girls “you girls are so friendly” (not in a sarcastic way, in a way that’s oblivious to their bitchiness), they’ll often instinctively act friendlier to be consistent with the label you gave them, especially if you mention how you were talking to some other girls who were super bitchy.

      Time-bridging is another one. Setting up a date when you get the number, she’s more likely to go thru with it than if you don’t make plans when you get the number.

      To solidify a #-close, tell her how she has to answer the phone (tell her she has to be super excited and make her act out how she’d answer the phone for you right there in the bar), call her while you’re standing in front of her and have a conversation right there in the bar and tell her nope wasn’t good enough try again, etc. and then when you actually do call her she’s more inclined to try to be consistent.

      Like I say, PUA isn’t theory, it’s backwards engineered. So you’ll find a lot of overlap in other areas like sales and giving speeches and media training etc. These little things seem like a lot to take in, but they’re the difference between consistent results winning over specific girls you choose, and just playing a numbers game where you throw yourself in there until some girl chooses you.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 2:16 pm YaMar

        “call her while you’re standing in front of her and have a conversation right there in the bar”

        wow. tight. creating a private bubble for sure. using the technology for your advantage because a phone call makes her focus on you and the phone is to her ear so she can’t do anything else with it.

        this deserves a long write up. lots of ways to play it. make fun of her phone voice. switch phones to see if she still sounds funny on hers. and then you’re the guy she talked to instead of texted.

        reminds me of the early 2000s when guys in europe would call an american girl while she was still standing with them to make sure the number she gave was actually hers.

        this takes that to an entirely different level. props.

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  40. on June 23, 2015 at 3:01 am Lowballer

    CH: This is a bit inconstant to the below article posted only a month ago: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/the-thirst-a-closer-analysis/

    Most (marginally) attractive girls I know find tinder a very empty and soulless experience a couple of weeks in. Like a match tinder burns brightly, but is then reduced to ash after it has no use (in this case: ego validation).

    Finally deleting my Tinder account and being all pic.twitter.com/67HC6JdEMP— Alana Massey (@AlanaMassey) May 31, 2015

    Even the ‘dick is abundant & low value’ dregs have had enough!

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  41. on June 23, 2015 at 7:12 am PA

    Huffy Post has an artile titled “Yes, You’re a Racist — And a Traitor”. Yeah, clickbait headline and the big Dixie flag worked on me but sometimes one goes along to see the ridiculousness of his enemies up close. Observations:

    – every third sentence in female-penned writing begins with the word “I”

    – Godwin fail in third paragraph

    – you know that when libs call you a traitor, your loyalties are sound

    – aw my sides, the irony about her denounciatuin of hate.

    – the upside: conquered nations, historically, suffer prodigiously serious, intelligent occupants and their grim enforcers. Our occupant and their Hench(work)men are merely ridiculous, and intellectual zeros.

    [CH: cable tv news has become a wasteland of antiracism propaganda (including foxnews which contributes to the zeitgeist with its mewling me-tooism). i watched a little of it recently, and i was appalled by how low quality assurance has sunk. but maybe they aren’t any worse than they were five years ago, and instead time away from the hate whitey machine helped me see the agitprop more clearly.]

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 7:18 am PA

      hench(wo)men

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  42. on June 23, 2015 at 7:30 am L

    Hall of fame post

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  43. on June 23, 2015 at 7:47 am B.J. Worthy (@bjworthy69)

    Girl: “I’m bored”

    Response: “Maybe you’re boring”

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  44. on June 23, 2015 at 9:09 am Waffles

    LOL Prison Worker Told Husband She Didn’t Fuck Big-Dicked Murderer (Sure)

    http://gawker.com/prison-worker-told-husband-she-didnt-fuck-big-dicked-mu-1713327726

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  45. on June 23, 2015 at 2:26 pm Culum Struan

    YaReally et al – please confirm for me I did the right thing here cos I actually like this girl.

    21 year old HB7.5 – genuinely cool girl. First date bang a few weeks ago and then texting which she often initiates.

    One night she invites me to her place to fuck the next night (after 1030pm for logistical reasons). Next morning at 1030am I reply “Sure, what’s the address?”

    She sees the message on Whatsapp but no reply till 7pm when she says “Are you still coming over?”. I say: “Will have to be midnight now”. She says “Okay” immediately. Then immediately I say “What’s the address?”. No reply till 830 when she gives me the address.

    I think she’s genuine since I have the bang already but even at 7pm I wondered if I should blow her off for not responding sooner but gave her a second chance. At 830, I thought it was too much and told her I made other plans.

    She then spent a lot of the evening sending me sexy pics and saying how she’d have to take care of herself. I didn’t crumble, but I feel a bit bad about playing games with a girl I like..did I overgame her?

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 3:09 pm PimpinBlueStar

      Maybe a little but from what you say this seems salvagable. From now on, for the second bang around, experiment with cutting the down time and playing it cool when she makes it abundantly clear she wants to fuck. When girls get to that point where they don’t care and just want to fuck, best not to keep them waiting.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 3:56 pm walawala

      @Culum you blew off a 21 year old HB7.5 because she texted too late? That is abundance. If you blew her off because you were gaming her I think you were over-thinking it.

      I have a girl I’m banging. She will text: “Are we fucking tonight?” The only time I blow her off is if I’m genuinely busy or i’ll make plans.

      She’ll text at 11:30pm at night and sometimes I’ve missed it because I’m in bed or have to work. But we’ve been banging for more than 8 months so the novelty is off and it’s just solid.

      If you tell her you made other plans but stayed home, I think you were over-thinking it. What I would have done is to reply and say “k”. Then came over within a decent amount of time that suited me.

      I’ve only turned down mine when I’m legitimately busy because no real game is necessary at that point. It’s on.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 5:45 pm Culum Struan

        Wala/Bluestar – thanks. I just wanted a reality check cos I like this girl – hot, great sex etc. She knew I was out with clients for dinner and was planning to come to hers after that. By the time she sent me the address, I had gone to a different part of town with them and the logistics would genuinely have been difficult to get to her (she didn’t know that I had gone further away) – I just told her I made other plans.

        I’ll try to hookup with her soon but I will be travelling on work again soon so it may be a few weeks before I do and she may have gone cold (Sentient – this is why I find it difficult to develop FBs – promising ones fizzle out cos of my travel schedule)

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    • on June 24, 2015 at 8:30 am having a bad day

      @CS

      it doesn’t sound like you over gamed, since you had actually made other plans…but, since YOU wanted to see her, you should have made that happen…as opposed to an attitude that you might lose her if you don’t make it happen…BUT you would have to be ready for some more shit testing while she tests your frame…

      her not replying right away was a shit test (and at 8:30 you made the right call…), and she was trying to get you to chase her…your response obviously didn’t hurt you, since she is still chasing you…lol…also it’s good that you didn’t reverse your decision bc that WOULD have hurt you = falling into her frame…

      but for next time, it won’t hurt you to put in some more effort to meet up with her (comfort goes up…it’s just calibration at this point…).

      you could have pushed her harder after she didn’t send her address right away and since you replied immediately she was still at her phone…wait 2 minutes, then ‘address’…no question, just a demand…you are pursuing what you want…and are not on her time table…if she doesn’t respond then…make your other plans…

      in the mean time, just ping her with text every week or so… at random…and/or use the YaReally late-night texting plan to spike her buying temp…lol…

      good luck!

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      • on June 25, 2015 at 7:02 am Culum Struan

        HABD, Wala Bluestar – thank you, took the advice successfully. Made a bit more of an effort to go see her and banged her successfully the next night.

        Someone else genuinely flaked on me the next night and I texted “I am unexpectedly free tonight and want to see you. I can come over about midnight” and she replied saying yes pretty much the instant I hit Send, and fun was had by all.

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      • on June 25, 2015 at 7:03 am Culum Struan

        PS – it was one of the stranger experiences of my Game life – it turns out she lives with her grandmother AND is a single mum and we had to bang really quietly so as to not wake up grandmother or baby. Weirdly fun though in a “new experiences” kind of way..

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      • on June 25, 2015 at 7:29 am Culum Struan

        PPS – Also when I left (at 5am to avoid waking the house), her neighbour was outside and she actually went out and distracted him while I slipped away. It felt like a movie..

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      • on June 25, 2015 at 8:27 am having a bad day

        @Culum

        good job! props on taking action…

        i think your situ has a point that gets missed when men start to learn game.

        since game is basically ’emulating’ alpha (sexually attractive) behavior, it doesn’t usually result in an immediate internal shift in your attitude. it will at some point bc it has to (otherwise your head will explode from the cognitive dissonance…lol) but not right away… the result seems to be ‘over gaming’ or doubting/feeling like you made a mistake.

        YaReally has covered this point of view thing a couple times (at least…, specifically with regard to length of texting/punctuation/etc…), and Rational Male has as well (Mental Point of Origin posts…).

        the idea is that bc YOU want to do something, it is still your frame, not hers, even if you are taking her out/buying her stuff/chasing her around town/texting her first and longer texts/asking her out/etc…even ‘begging’ her wouldn’t be ‘beta’ if it was from your frame (something YOU wanted to do, as opposed to your worrying about her getting mad/dumping you/not calling back/etc…(although to be honest, if it IS your frame, your subcomms/language are going to be much different than a beta ‘chasing’…lol)…

        you just have to expect/pass the shit testing that results from engaging in ‘beta’ behavior (as she tests your congruence)…the result of this, not unexpectedly, is that you end up pinging her ‘alpha provider’ circuits, and she gets even more hooked…since you are the male equivalent of the special snowflake unicorn…lol…

        as far as developing FBs being difficult when you are traveling a lot, texting works next door and across country…lol…you just have to ping FBs on a schedule (variable interval/variable intensity is the most addicting…lol). and you can do it from wherever you are…it doesn’t matter if you are busy in town or out…it shouldn’t take you more than a couple minutes a day…you don’t have to always answer their return texting…and it’s better if you don’t…then, throw in some ‘demands’ (for pics…lol) and throw in a late-night sexting session once in a while (when you haven’t closed a new girl on the road…lol) and you’re golden…repeat across all your harem girls and it shouldn’t take you THAT much time…you might need a spread sheet to keep track though…lol…

        just one point… “I texted “I am unexpectedly free tonight and want to see you. I can come over about midnight” ” – GREAT mental point of origin…lol…your frame all the way…

        good luck!

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      • on June 25, 2015 at 8:28 am having a bad day

        @CS

        stack ate another one…

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      • on June 26, 2015 at 5:43 pm Culum Struan

        HABD – thank you. Your comment popped up about Mental Point of Origin.

        As I understand it (kinda – it’s one of those better experienced than described) it means you perceive the world with yourself at its centre and all actions and decisions start from that – from you. It doesn’t mean you can’t CHOOSE to prioritize other things, even above yourself (your kids or whatever), but your thought processes start with you. Or in simpler terms, you act because you want to act, not because of the effect is going to have on someone else.

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  46. on June 23, 2015 at 3:06 pm PimpinBlueStar

    Watching The Bachelorette last night confirms every bit of this and more. You have one party girl surrounded by 10+ “alpha” males: some crying, some storming off because she is playing all of them.

    I won’t get much into how these fantasyland/”reality” tv shows are horrible for the average American female (bad expectations that an average girl can have near unlimited choice with 6′ squared jawed men….and then become ANGRY when that doesn’t come to life) but here’s a few things that struck out at me:

    -traditional “alphas” who are literally making an ass out of themselves on national TV for the shot at winning the heart of skank. They have the look, they have the Rico Suave arrogance that they are exactly what every girl wants.

    -I have not seen ONE of these guys tease or make the girl chase even in the least.

    -She has tattoos, laughs at fart and poop jokes…this offended some of the men, saying that she wasn’t seriously here to find love.

    -She flew in ANOTHER guy not originally cast on the show to join them all in Dublin, where she picked him to have the entire days date just the two, he teased her and “made her feel like a woman”, took him back to her suite and fucked him behind the other suitors backs.

    -The men who get serious with her on 1-on-1’s and proclaim that they are falling in love with her, she tells them “awww that is so sweet and sincere!”…and then they don’t get a rose to continue on.

    I can understand why some of you would be completely annoyed by such a show and refuse to watch it, but it really is a showcase of how men most would assume are alpha males, when the rubber meets the road, actually reveal their betadom.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 3:45 pm Putin

      PBS, agree totally in regards to watching the Bachelorette. I do not watch TV except for that because of that show because of the dicotomy they are in with “game” being real.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 8:34 pm Junior

      @PBS

      nice write up fella, timely.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 10:02 pm PimpinBlueStar

        Thanks guys

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  47. on June 23, 2015 at 3:16 pm Putin

    Continue to build the empire which can take time so I am just enjoying.

    On the marriage front there has been what I can only describe as a rebirth. This has happened in less than a year. I can’t list everything but here are examples of what I did…. Sent her back to work. Canceled 6 figure insurance policy. Collected women’s phone numbers. Locked my phone. Come home a couple hours late. Let her know in a non verbal way she was not the number one thing in my life. Offered to get life insurance again if she would allow a concubine.
    I had to nurse her back to health a couple of times because of the shock but now all cavities are open and with the help of a Magic Wand I can see and feel the contractions of her orgasms.
    Remember this one claims to never have been dumped. I liked her because every girl I went out with bored me with there functional and compliant behavior and I would dominate them. My wife almost ruined me with her disrespect, sabotaging, undermining, controlling, etc. This one needs a tight bridle.

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  48. on June 23, 2015 at 3:27 pm itsjx

    Reblogged this on XWorkx.

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  49. on June 23, 2015 at 3:27 pm Anonymous

    It continues.

    The South’s interpretation of the Constitution, of course, was correct.

    The 9th and 10th amendments are dead.

    http://m.wsvn.com/article.html#!/108324/a1ba16f6172fdf7bd4a8bd8c6f2d1ce0

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  50. on June 23, 2015 at 4:04 pm stuttie

    @ PimpinBlueStar – “I have not seen ONE of these guys tease or make the girl chase even in the least”.

    I agree. I caught a couple of older Bachelorette episodes on cable and watched for some Game research/fun.

    It’s either one of three things;

    1. The shows producers would frown upon what we at the Chateau know as ‘Game’ in a reality show because it’s simply not female friendly when it’s mostly a female audience (ratings). Can you imagine a guy with solid Game nuclear negging, using that Julian stacked qualifying stuff or disqualifying her lol.

    2. The guys have little to no Game.

    3. She sees them all as beta for even being on the show.

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    • on June 23, 2015 at 9:57 pm PimpinBlueStar

      Great points stuttie. To me, what highlights is the neediness these guys have for this girl. They NEED this shit to work, mainly because they are on national TV and their little egos can’t handle being blown off and not matching up to the image they want everyone to think they are.

      The Scott Caan lookalike went from thinking they had a solid connection better than the rest, then to a look of worry that the new guy had fucked her, to him crying to a producer that he couldn’t do this anymore.

      This is EXHIBIT-A arrogance of guys who think they have it in the bag because they have outside attributes they assume other people will go along with the whole “I AM the shit” aka James Bond syndrome. Tall? Check. Handsome? Check. A romancer? Check.

      So whhhyyyyy isn’t this girl falling for me yet???

      Because it’s all an act. It’s the same act she’s seen since she was 15. Over and over and over. And the moment he faces adversity (and not only this guy in particular, several others have) he cries, another dude insults her to her face, one sulks and says “this isn’t for me.”

      NONE of these guys I’m talking about made her chase at all. Not one. And wholeheartedly agree that Walt Disney would roll over in his grave if blatant (to us) PUA tactics were featured on one of the highest rated TV shows on the network (but boy oh boy would I have my popcorn ready), but even basic little push pulls…..absent.

      This is VERY representative of most guys elsewhere. I can smell weakness through my TV. And I can see it every time I go to the bar, or the coffee house, or anywhere.

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      • on June 23, 2015 at 10:13 pm immoralgables

        Two years reading PBS and just need to thank you man.

        Just got done hella focusing on taking a exam and looking to get back into game and an enjoyable life.

        Hope to see you on these boards this summer, still go through the YR archives here and there to read your shit and get motivated.

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      • on June 24, 2015 at 4:19 am Ripp

        all good points in an academic context. Yet I must remind the readership that these are produced shows.

        The producers need to sell viewership – ad space and the production will be edited as such.

        These ‘actors’ are all looking for a springboard and exposure for their careers.

        The whole thing is just more YKW recycled garbage. ‘Reality’ TV is a misnomer.

        it’s so sad how this stuff is such chic crack. It’s just more Disney Princess fodder in a different form.

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  51. on June 23, 2015 at 5:03 pm Anonymous

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-michael/i-sometimes-dont-want-to-be-white-either_b_7595852.html

    fodder delivery.

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  52. on June 23, 2015 at 9:31 pm Heine himbeere

    This is timely. Don’t mean to critique your excellent blog. Oh but I do, I do!

    What I mean – BTW I’m single and as of late incel. Anyways I think what fucked me up for over a decade was choosing the path of words over works, we can say. Using words to compensate for lack of works. Also big plandms and ideas. To manipulate others and also boost my ego. Not that I had a bad heart, but i chose the wrong path, a path which many, in fact our whole society teaches or models, from mystery et al to politicians and actors and lawyers, even doctors a lot.
    I started doing basic landscaping job and I immediately realized these guys are the true salt of the earth, not bible believers or ( again word based) preachers. I was fooledcby words and I tried to fool others with them. Don’t get me wrong, words are great and we should learn to use them, but works are indispensable. Test this at your peril.
    Anyway what are works and how does this translate in a club or elsewhere? Jobs done well, new life skills, money accumulation and experience points, at a job or hobbies ( but please don’t be a counter!). Oil field men just have a confidence that is natural. Different things ( I.e works) can charge you. Its the journey. I already pity the young guys who choose paths of words. They are works for yourself though, not for her. Words OTOH are always written for a listener, and rehearsed. Even a full days hard work and month gives my hands a different quality and quality of movement, that probably can possess powerful sub communication in a club. Bui what do I know. I’m too tired of being opinionated, but for me, works first, words always secondary, auxilary. Let conversations evolve naturally. I find I don’t have to study being a leader when I do works in the real world. Then leadership just arises, atvleastvifvmy works are good enough. If you lead orbmanage on an industrial job, how can you not have social leadership skills?

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