I’ve heard every beta male excuse for sexual market inaction under the sun.
“She wasn’t looking at me.”
“She seemed like she didn’t want anyone talking to her.”
“I wasn’t feeling the vibe.”
“Too loud.”
“Too quiet.”
“Too crowded.”
“Too empty.”
“Too public.”
“Too private.”
“I might startle her and freak her out.”
“I can’t get to her without making it too obvious.”
“She probably has a boyfriend.”
“I need another drink first.”
“She’s out of my league.”
“You can’t just WALK UP to girls on the sidewalk!”
“This isn’t the place to hit on girls.”
“People are watching.”
“I’m dressed like a slob/I smell/I feel out of sorts/My hair is a mess today.”
“She’s talking to a bunch of people. I’ll wait till they leave her.”
“I forgot my opener.”
“My ass-less chaps are wrinkled.”
“I forgot to wear my Power Fedora.” (ed: this one’s not a joke, i heard it)
“I’m not feeling it right now.”
“Oh, wait, she saw me looking at her. Now it’ll just be weird if I go up to her.”
“I waited too long.” (ed: well, no shit!)
“I didn’t go out tonight to hit on girls.”
“If it happens, it’ll happen.” (ed: logic trap)
“I’m not in a good mood now.”
“I’ll hit it hard tomorrow.”
“The moment isn’t right.”
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The perfect moment is the enemy of the pickup. Forget it, Jake, the perfect moment will never come to men who insist on waiting for perfect moments.
Perfect moments are made, by opportunists, aka charismatically bold men. Women happily back-rationalize the moment they meet interesting men as “chemistry”, “we clicked”, and “everything just seemed so perfect”, even if in reality all that happened was he approached and spoke a few words and impudently allowed his hands to take liberties with her erogenous space. So why are you bothering to wait for a perfect moment to hit on women when women will do all the work post hoc constructing that perfect moment in their pretty little heads?
Be an opportunist, not an idealist. For example, here’s a “perfect moment” that occurred when a particularly ruthless buddy of mine exploited what would normally have been an exceedingly embarrassing social situation into a #LoveWins ❤️. The girl who is the subject of this recollection had just tripped while walking on the sidewalk. As is the wont of girls, she got up, brushed herself off while suppressing obvious signs of pain, and attempted to carry on gracefully as if nothing had happened.
(When men trip, they will look backwards at the offending sidewalk crack as if to challenge it to a fight.)
My buddy would have none of that.
HIM: Don’t worry about pretending it didn’t happen, I saw the whole thing.
HER: Oh, yeah, ha, that was crazy.
HIM: Confession. I made a Vine of it. You’ll be on the internet in ten minutes.
HER: That’s not even funny.
HIM: Ok fine, it wasn’t as funny as your fall.
HER: I’m glad you were entertained!
HIM: I was. Does that make me a bad man?
HER: Yes, it does.
HIM: Good. This means you’d be down for drinks this week.
***
Every moment is a perfect moment to pickup girls, if you have heavy balls and skill wielding them.
Classic CH…
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PS – came across this… haven’t tried it yet but it looks very good for both fast kino and rapport… anyone used?
http://www.dallaspua.com/files/Style_Life/SL_RingFingerRoutine.pdf
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Sentient – I don’t do precisely that, but I do a palm-reading routine (cheesy, yes, I know) that achieves pretty much the same goals, on all my dates.
It’s great early kino, very sensual cos you’re tracing her palms and hands lightly with your fingers and it is old-skool “chick crack”.
Having read that PDF though – the one thing I need to improve is add more chick crack content – I usually just make up random stuff based on what I see in her hand, but I think it is much better if I have some standard personality reads to fall back on..in fact I could adapt the content from that PDF..hmm.
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Don’t leave us hanging CH, did he get anything? Number?
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It doesn’t matter 😉
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“Did he get anything?”
Yes. A lifetime of stories and adventures. No binary thinking.
The journey IS the destination.
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For shore!
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For the youngsters: Beware of thinking “OH, I’M SURE TO SEE HER AGAIN AROUND CAMPUS. THERE’S NO HURRY.” No, you aren’t sure of anything. In fact, those precious few minutes which you spend chatting with her might be the only time that you’ll ever see her in your entire life.
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Most aroused I’ve ever been in public – I saw a Snow White 9.75ish sitting all alone, surrounded by darkly tanned and muddish girls, in a coffee shop in Palo Alto just off of campus. Didn’t approach because I was trying to be faithful to my girlfriend at the time. But that sight of that chick literally knocked the wind out of me – it was an adrenaline rush like I’ve never experienced.
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Possibly the best chemistry I’ve ever had in my life – walking in to the hospital, got to talking for about fifteen minutes to a fourth year med student, walking along beside me, who was due to start a Pediatrics residency the following year. Smart, cute, ultra-conservative, pro-life, talked as naturally and as easily to her as I’ve talked to any girl I’ve ever known. Didn’t make a move because I was trying to be faithful. “Oh I’ll see here around.” Nope. NEVER SAW HER AGAIN IN MY LIFE.
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And this is why I won’t be faithful next ltr. Too many golden opportunities wasted. Plus I’ve found that when I have cheated it’s actually made whatever relationship I’m in better. Conversely, when I have shunned opportunities with mega babes due to relationships, it has eaten away at my soul. All the missed opportunities…
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So many cute and horny yet worthwhile chicks from my senior year in college “Oh, I’ll see them around” – Never saw any of them again. That year, I was walking down the street in Georgetown, right around midnight on New Years Eve, and a gorgeous strange girl walked up to me and offered to kiss and french kissed me in front of everyone. Another time – maybe sophomore or junior year – it was raining, and a girl offered to share her umbrella with me, and we talked for five or ten minutes in the rain – never saw her again. Just on and on and on – the more I think of it, the more my memories are flooded with experiences of never seeing the girl again. tldr; == THE TIME TO MAKE YOUR MOVE IS NOW!!!!! THERE PROBABLY WON’T BE A SECOND CHANCE!!!
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THE TIME TO MAKE YOUR MOVE IS NOW!!!!! THERE PROBABLY WON’T BE A SECOND CHANCE!!!
so much truth in this. the good ones get snapped up so quick and they don’t walk through your door every day like we want to believe they do. we wouldn’t all have stories like this if they did.
you just can’t waste time pondering and hesitating or you’ll lose your chance and regret it for the rest of your life.
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yep, I missed an opp last week on a nice 8 ina sun dress because I was in a rush to get stuff for work….she smiled and made E.C when walking past…figured I’d see her again at some point as I am there almost daily and so I kept getting my materials only realizing later how unlikely the chance of us running into each other at the exit again is. Should have turned around and opened her up. She was sitting right outside on a bench when I came back out, and I jumped in the truck and took off. Possibly waiting for me to do something… Fuck me runnin’.
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“It’s not until you hear the sound of it closing that you know the door was even there.”
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“awkwardness is your body’s way of telling you that you are learning and changing. if you back away from awkward you back away from growth.”
the prediction paradox: when something good happens to us we want to know why, but finding out diminshes our delight.
learn game. internalize it. then forget it.
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[…] By CH […]
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I’ve heard that said so many times, and there are guys out there now who are now old and lonely because they were waiting for some imagined perfect moment. These guys were so busy try to figure out where to place the starting blocks that they missed the race altogether. The years creep up faster and faster and the ship sails, it’s not just women that can end up victims of hesitation fellas. I would save you from the pain of the existence some of my friends now have to endure. Another lonely late night walk home to an empty house with only a kebab for a company and just a hangover to look forward too.
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good advice and it applies to more than just pick up.
there are so many times in life when we miss out because we think the timing is wrong and we have all the time in the world for new opportunities. but that’s a stupid and weak way of living because you’re right, the years do creep up fast and you can waste your life away before you know it.
we might think…
can’t get settled with this girl and have kids because i need to focus on my career and get established first.
can’t get involved with that girl because she’s too old or too young.
can’t leave this girl for that one because i’m obligated.
etc. etc. etc.
do you think our grandfathers worried about any of that crap? they sure as hell didn’t.
if they wanted something they went after it.
they got married young when they were broke and didn’t know what the hell they were doing. and they made it work.
if they fell for a girl, they locked her down and didn’t care what anyone else thought. they made it work.
if they wanted to leave their wife for another woman or have a mistress on the side, they didn’t feel guilty or give a rat’s ass what anyone thought. they made it work.
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The problem isn’t when we don’t do things because we focus on others first(e.g. not marrying because we focus on career more). The problem is when we make excuses and don’t do jackshit either. I’ve been in this boat for a year or two and I believe everyone who comes up with this rationale is depressed. At least I was.
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“there are so many times in life when we miss out because we think the timing is wrong”
So true. It saddens me to see all these earnest young guys, grinding through HS, then grinding through college, then grinding through corporate life. Alive but never living…
You have NO IDEA what is going to happen, so don’t get caught up with the plans and projections…
I entered college at 17, transferred around quite a bit, ultimately dropped out a few credits shy of a bachelor’s degree, bored. I had met my personal 10 by then, and then moved to live with her. Married at 23. Kid at 24. Started my first company at 25 when I had no idea what do do with my life… 7 figure net worth at 30… sold company at 35… started new company… increasing net worth. 5 kids on and married 25 years…
You never ever know what is going to happen except this – IF YOU DO NOTHING, THEN NOTHING WILL EVER HAPPEN.
Try, fail, try again and for god’s sake LIVE your life…
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FWIW that art is by Peter Tunney… surely honorable mention in Alpha of the Month…
Hit by a car at 14… 12 surgeries. Convalesces through high school… ends up selling cars… becomes top salesguy at the dealership in his early 20’s. sells a car to a Wall Street guy who turns him on to stock brokering and investments… Makes a shit pile on biotech stocks. Legendary party animal… Starts a modeling agency to pick up hotties… Featured on Lifestyle’s of the Rich and Famous as worlds most eligible bachelor. LIVED in a back room of the Crobar nightclub in NYC for a YEAR… Became buddies with photog Peter Beard and took over managing his career and works. Crashed and burned financially with Beard…. lots of litigation. destitute. Becomes an artist! Now highly regarded…
You never know…
http://observer.com/2004/12/the-prisoner-of-crobar/
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One last one…. for the attitude…
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Also I’ve written a lot about being a dynamic, passionate and authentic man… Tunney is a great example.
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One of my favorites…
I was at a conference where they give you those boxed lunches.
Girl behind me was cute. She was digging through her boxed lunch and put the apple in the top half of her box. The weight of the apple toppled the box and the apple rolled towards me.
I picked it up. Extended my hand to give it back. When she reached for it, I pulled it back and said, “If you wanted to talk to me, you could’ve just introduced yourself instead of throwing your lunch at me.”
I gave it back and turned back around with a shit-eating grin on my face.
In retrospect, would’ve been even more awesome to take a bite out of the apple.
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or given it to a hotter girl
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I thought y’all didn’t care (anything above a 1 is good enough?)
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Viable alternative had their been one present.
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I was just thinking the apple bite as I read your story hahaha
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Each of you take a bite out of the apple at the same time. Then you start kissing the apple, feint a kiss on her lips, move away, back in, etc. Playful boldness.
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@Heartiste, I’m thinking that the #LoveWins would be a great pickup line:
Guy sees girl, just walks up to her and just tries to kiss her.
If you’re a charming bastard, the girl just may kiss you.
If not:
Girl: “What are you doing?”
You “Love Wins!” and go for it again. Or tease her and accuse her of being against love.
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“If there’s ever a CH book, seriously thinking about titling it “Love Wins”. ”
I will pay $100 for a simply formatted dead-tree compilation of CH Game posts.
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Seconded
Got to be chaptered and ordered though – Could be a compilation box set
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x2, but a physical copy, not e book
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CH Pick Up Book! Totally!
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so would I, if its a real book and no epub shit
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We’ve been asking for that for years.
Problem are the links. Go back in time, many of them are surely dead, but separating them and changing all of the “this” and “here” words is a real pain. Best to hire a young nerd to do it, preserve one’s own energy.
It’s a monumental editing job that I doubt he/they have the personality for. Best case scenario: he asks some editing pals to a sort of roundtable to review and brainstorm what goes in.
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Anyone ever notice there are typos in the Sixteen Commandments?
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Yeah, buddy of mine finished a date with a girl and asked ‘So, do I get a kiss?’ Literally the most beta thing
Her obvious reply was ‘No, maybe next time’
Such is the way when you ask women to lead you like a little pooch
Mystery actually has an interesting script flipping view on this by getting his students to read books on how to train your dog, like you would a woman
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Yeah, buddy of mine finished a date with a girl and asked ‘So, do I get a kiss?’ Literally the most beta thing
Her obvious reply was ‘No, maybe next time’
Such is the way when you ask women to lead you like a little pooch
Mystery actually has an interesting script flipping view on this by getting his students to read books on how to train your dog – and therefore woman
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I would have followed her reply with what makes you think there will be a next time if this date was so bad we won’t even kiss?
I only had a perfect pickup opportunity in my life. This cutie was speaking on the phone on the bus, right in front of me, and the driver was a bit rough on the brakes, so her phone flew out of her hand while she fell on my lap. She apologized and stuff and I told her that it’s OK, I’m used to pretty girls falling on my lap. We bantered a bit and I number closed her and we went for drinks once but it didn’t really work out.
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– I told her that it’s OK, I’m used to pretty girls falling on my lap
I give it a B, it’s complimenting her too early…instead:
– I told her that it’s OK, I’m used to weird chicks falling on my lap
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Hack-It,
That’s keyboard alpha and not realistic. What are you going to have a routine stack for such a situation?
A high value male doesn’t fear the compliment, plus, his reply is a DHV. His nonchalance and mild compliment shows he is a charmer, even in the most off putting of situations. It shows, exactly what he tells: He is used to pretty girls falling into his lap.
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Hack-It,
That’s keyboard alpha and not realistic. What are you going to have a routine stack for such a situation?
A high value male doesn’t fear the compliment, plus, his reply is a DHV. His nonchalance and mild compliment shows he is a charmer, even in the most off putting of situations. It shows, exactly what he tells: He is used to pretty girls falling into his lap.
Don’t judge others game by some rule book of compiled game posts. Any real player ’round these parts knows, his line, delivered with smiling eyes and a smirk is panty dropping material.
Your line? Sounds like some try hard wannabe alpha trying so hard to dole out negs that he inspires no wetness in the nether realm.
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I think his response isn’t bad, especially if he maintains DHVs and doesn’t give off an air of the chivalrous white knight, but, alas,
-it didn’t really work out
We don’t know what else went down during or after drinks, but the outcome suggests that some sort of re-calibration either of himself, or at a point in the interaction, is in order; I imagine most participants here would agree.
It was, we have to assume, an evening that didn’t result in sex with anyone else either, or it would have been mentioned. That’s called opportunity cost.
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“It didn’t work out.”
Doesn’t imply anything. You’re suggesting a whole host of ideas based on what? Zero data. Did her cat die? Did she get aids? Did he fumble? Was he needy?
There are a million reasons, and in the end? Maybe you’re right. But your inference levels are off the charts.
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Also I’ve noticed lately, that only mediocre players take so much responsibility for the interaction under the guise of “calibration.”
There are far too many variables why something does or does not work. Immediately assuming it’s a calibration issue speaks to your level of game.
Who the fuck knows why she flaked, who he hell cares?
Once more experienced is gained, the game becomes no game. Zen game.
Until then, stop microanalysing situations with variables that you can never comprehend. It does no good.
Take a little sassy tidbit, and go fourth and conquer my good friend.
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lol, if I would have told her she’s weird, it would have been over the top to tease her about being clumsy(I don’t know if I could be with a girl that’s so clumsy etc). When we got off the bus, I told her to watch her step because we wouldn’t want her to fall again.
Plus, if I said I’m used to weird chicks falling on my lap, I’m not sure how much of a DHV that would be. I’d steer clear of combining negs with your DHV comments. Serve them separately.
And that interaction worked. I got a number and got her to meet me. The problem was simply due to both of us seeing other people and logistics. This happened like seven years ago though so I don’t remember all the specific things. It’s just that it was the only example of a quasi-perfect moment for pickup I could think of.
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I agree with Will, its no keyboard manifesto / congress speech time at this point; you wont talk the hamster out – kino escalate, close
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Cesar Milan could write a crossover book called “Bitches”.
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The bitch whisperer
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It goes both ways. One can train a man where it counts, but he has to good before he can be great. I agree that a man must be Alpha because than he is a challenge. Who wants a man that kisses your butt.
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The honesty projected from a female reader’s view here is refreshing
+5 points to girls that can recognise potential in a man and help him reach it – as long as there’s no bitching involved in the process
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Thank you. That was a kind statement and refreshing for me as well. True…I hate nagging and so does he. My hormones get the best of me. I can be a bitch, just not to him.
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Yeah yeah beta male this, beta male that. Any suggestions on day gaming girls who are at work, with associates nearby? When you want to fuck the cute hostess at chili’s and it’s 1 PM and the sun is shining, the co workers are going to be reflexively circling the cockblock wagons. Or the cashier at the grocery store. Or the virgin behind the counter at chick fil a when 97 people are waiting in line for lunch.
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“I’ll take you out later if you promise to be cool. Give me your number.”
Done. And done.
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This ^^^^ Bust a move man. Move on…
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I worked in a grocery store as a teenager. The women who worked as cashiers were very much annoyed by men trying any sort of game or hitting on them there and every single one I witnessed was denied and then laughed at after he left the store. Maybe I just saw the ‘beta’ ones?
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Guaranteed if a sexy, cool (in the opinion of the cashiers, and by objective SMV metrics) guy were to ask the cashiers for a number, it would be a completely different story. In female-dominated workplaces (cafés, salons), the girls always have their favourite “hot guy(s)” whom they literally lose their minds over whenever they patronize the store. They’ll be doubly sure to give the guy a number when he’s been pre-approved by fellow coven members.
It’s only the losers whom are the subject of flameouts, laughs, scorn, and number refusal.
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B on, Cashiers at grocery stores generally not good.
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Well there’s a self fulfilling logic loop. Only losers get refused and laughed at so being refused and laughed at defines a loser. The idea of this thread is to apparently encourage attempts even if futile but then those who fail in adverse situations are labeled as losers. Once that thinking takes hold that failure defines a loser why wouldn’t people seek to avoid failure?
As to female dominated workplaces a large busy grocery store like the one I worked at wasn’t one. With hundreds of customers a shift just by trying a guy made himself into just another idiot they had to deal with.
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People in retail like breaks from monotony. Playful customers are a breath of fresh air. Just don’t take yourself too seriously.
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Well, those who tried probably got laid by them later, or by someone else.
Those who didn’t… I guess they had Playboy back then?
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Slip them your number.
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Can someone tell me a way to navigate to all of the old posts with out scrolling through the home page? I want to start at the beginning of the blog.
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https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/04/
That’s April of 2007. Just change the numbers to travel through time.
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me too, I didn’t grow up with computers and am still learning, I can’t figure it out either
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https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/04/09/
This is as far back as it goes.
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Here you are. . .
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/04/09/endless-dating/
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This is the first post: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/04/09/endless-dating/
If you look at that URL, you will notice there is a date part in it. You can replace that date with any date you want, and you get the archive for that date.
You can go to year, e.g. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/
You can go to month, e.g. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/03/
You can even go to a single day, if that day has a post, e.g. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/06/29/
You are welcome. Now you email me a gallon of cask strength single malt.
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start at the first ever post and read through them all up to the current day. will take you some time but will be the most educational time in your life
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But skip the comments – entirely.
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The comments used to be better, but as someone who did read the archive a bit, only few of them were worth reading. Seriously, ch should just collect the best comments and collect all the wisdom in his posts into a book and charge $100 for it. I’d buy it. It’s weird, but reading game books like nick krauzer’s or watching the mystery method makes me pumped up about going out and approaching, even if I know what’s being talked about.
BTW, I was talking to a friend about my desire to get a job now, but that I want to get a PhD in my 30s. What’s so weird? I want to do research and be around younger cuties. I’ll love the TA time. :p i know how girls lust over fit, well dressed teachers with a jerk boy side to them. One of my university professors is like that and he ended up marrying a student. Lol
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Better is the enemy of good.
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Why do people care what excuses people give for inaction?
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apparently because some think it makes autobiographical blogs more interesting to read
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hissss …. Why do people care what excuses people give for inaction? … hissss slither slither
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Well done, oinkster. I’m gonna use that
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Because CH is holding up a mirror for us to see ourselves.
Legitimate excuse: “Not hot enough”
Illegitimate excuse: “I’m a pussy”
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Sowing Seeds Of Failure
Back in the early 60’s there was a gal who was hanging out at the local college soda shop with beta buddy. A guy was sitting at a table with some of his buddies. When the said gal walked by the table the said guy flat asked her to go out with him for a specific night. She said no because she already had plans. His response was a cocky “your loss”. Tingles ensued. Short story, she eventually let him know in no uncertain terms of her desires to be taken by him. Banging eventually ensued which resulted in her getting pregnant. Guy did the honorable thing and married. Eventually yours truly was born.
I mentioned the gal who flat rejected my request for her number a month ago. She now gives me strong ioi’s while her beta tails her. Had an empire before I was married. Some of my most devoted women were one’s who rejected my initial solicitation and after me holding frame and not feeling rejected they became enamored with me.
What looked like failure were really seeds planted for a harvest of success.
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pickup is fun. really fun.
current goal: long term exclusive threesome
recent mindset: “you have thirty seconds to wow me”
recent opener: “if you could wave a magic wand and change one thing about your life what would it be?” (old ad sales line still in use at high levels – most people will reveal a lot without knowing it)
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Who are the lucky guys?
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i lol’d
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I’d swap it out man. A girl who isn’t invested in you has no desire to answer that question. You haven’t earned that yet. That’s more of a connection building question.
An opener just needs to be a shallow question to initiate conversetion, then you gently lead her to deeper questions.
Example: short girl today –
Me: Wow, you make me feel tall!
(I’m 6’3″, her like 4’9″)
Its not fucking brilliant, it’s a throw away comment that gives me an excuse to talk to her. Openers are throw away comments that give a pretext for conversation.
Btw, her reply? “I’m happy for you..”
God dammit, can’t win em all…
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@Will great opener and exchange. That was a shit test…typical
ME: wow you make me feel tall
Her: I’m happy for you
You: You’re easily amused… I could pick you up like a kitten…
Just keep vibing. Eventually the banter will lead to more questions like “Where you from?” a shit test or just peter out…
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She wasn’t hot once I looked at her square, so I dropped it.
The cashier was hotter 😉
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Your replies are gold, it takes it to a physical place instantly.
I wish more people around here GOT IT like that.
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Totally disagree based on naughty’s stated goals. I pretty much only game along deep conversions any more (randoms are pretty rinse repeat) and thats what it takes for a long term threesome.
Guru, cult leader shit. Throwaways and “ah fuck it” comments won’t get you to David Koresh. Deep, tantric, push pull with lots of meaning will.
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To open the gate? Only if you are pretty advanced. You’d need strong presence.
The rule: if you know you can get away with it, you can.
If there is any question, you probably can’t.
As always, context is key. What works for me, might not work for somebody just starting out.
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[…] The Perfect Moment Is The Enemy Of The Pickup […]
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Montrose Toast “He either fears his fate too much, Or his desserts are small, Who dares not put it to the touch, To win or lose it all.”
Hey, even failure is positive. Why? Because you can never win if your not willing to risk losing. Montrose lost in the end but his enemies bled heavily first – and for a year amazed friend and foe alike by beating the odds.
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alright, tomorrow. but serious question, let’s say you just don’t have a clever pickup line available but you have the balls, then what? approach anyway?
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“hey” is a reliable opener… dynamic = alpha. Always shade toward dynamism and all will be well.
Come now Martin…
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heh i’ve a suspicion i need a bit more than that. i may just try to completely ad lib it because waiting for the perfect line is the same as waiting for the perfect moment. we shall see.
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Just try it 20 times… Like nowish…
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Whenever I’m at work and walking outside the building, I’ll drop a “Hello” or “Good morning” to a nice gal that catches my eye. Did that this morning to one broad that either works nearby or goes to school. She was caught off-guard. I’ve seen her around from time to time.
After today’s brief encounter, I felt like Swingers: you’ve got these fucking claws man and with these claws you don’t know how to kill the bunny!
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@ martin – watch the last of Andrew’s pick ups here in Keys http://www.hulu.com/watch/206058 “you guys like sandwiches?” Don’t stress the opener.
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Here’s another opinion opener: “Hey – grilled cheese sandwiches, whaddaya think: open-face or closed face?” segue into what that says about a person, etc etc.
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You can always ask her to guess what country you come from; and when she says:
“what?”
You know what to do
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heh – keeper
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Don’t be afraid of dead air.
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@PA for dead air, I now hold my frame, smile confidently with a slight smirk and usually the girl will start blabbing….
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That’s also journalists’ trick to get their subject talking.
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detectives use it too
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They use this during polygraphs for you to start admitting shit.
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The polygraph is just a copier.
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Glengarry, you mean to say that that time I was being questioned by the police and every few minutes a piece of paper saying “HE’S LYING!” in 180-point font came out of that machine, the machine wasn’t actually reading my mind?
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Make a comment on literally anything. I On my way! Time made comment on toothpaste. Fucking toothpaste.
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Picking up girls? pffff, The perfect moment is The Enemy of living a decent life.
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the perfect time is also the enemy of white babies:
“FIRST we need a bigger house…”
“FIRST I need my masters degree…”
“FIRST we need a dog and a minivan…”
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Hard to argue this point.
Where IS whorefinder with the answer?
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True lol so true…”but mother does not approve.”
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Paying for black babies is the enemy of white babies.
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during your 20s I watched you put 3 white babies up your nose; so miss me with that race crap
faggot
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Thank you, Reverend Sharpton.
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you’re welcome Dylann
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@JB The other day I saw 3 black babies in the planned parenthood dumpster. That’s 3 less EBT cards for the white man to top off.
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Damn straight. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard young, dumb and full of cum talk about how they are saving up for marriage or babies. WTF you need money for? Living together is cheaper than apart, and babies need breast milk and diapers.
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Actually, you can use towelling, and boil the soiled ones (in batches of 10 to save money on hot water), before putting them in the washing machine. Use a gas burner outdoors and a beat up pot. Saves on money and waste.
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Talking with a friend today. He said that sex is best when the girl is really into you, and the problem is that younger girls like themselves more than they like any other human being.
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true dat
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Yet that pussy is (hopefully) still so tight, and their knowledge woefully incomplete, that you can use and abuse her tiny self and she’ll love you for it.
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@PA sounds like more rationalizing….she wouldn’t like me anyway…kinda thing. I’ve found that same tendency to avoid speaking, meeting, approaching. Sometimes it’s genuinely because the girl looks busy, but if it’s the same excuse every time, you’re weaseling out.
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Good point, though I grok his broader commentary.
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@PA great use of the word “grok”…had to google it.
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PA: THIS MIGHT BE THE MOST IMPORTANT POST EVER. When you combine Cluster B poisoning by Evil Psychiatry Inc [Abby Cadabby/Princess Barbie/Britney Spears-Miley Cyrus/Friends/V@gin@ Monologues] with iPhag addiction and Scrotial Media [Tinder, Instagram, F*ckerbergBook, Ashley Madison, etc], young girls now might be completely incapable of falling in l0ve. As much as I disapprove of YaReally’s incipient psychopathy, something akin to his Psychological/Hypnotic “Stacking” might become the only way to get through to these little Cluster B nutjobs.
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Apparently we are scrubbing Civil War historic sites of their nasty, you know, Civil Warr-y stuf like confederate flags. Because the park service says so!
http://www.wach.com/news/story.aspx?id=1223967#.VZHUfEb9uFt
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George Washington owned slaves, lots of them, so did Jefferson; notice all the blax with the last name Washington, JEFFERSON, Jackson… why dont those blax change their names?
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Wait, you’re saying we had a president named Darnetayvious?
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Talmudikum must be descended from sl@ve-owning Sephardic Slithery Eskimo Reptiles who rode with the Constitutionalists against the Nihilist Psychopathy of the 1860s.
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You are deliciously weird!
I want so bad to be a Joo so I can respond with conviction and hear more but I don’t know what to say 😦
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“Grandma is standing behind me naked again, damn.”
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Best opener yet
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[…] Source: Heartiste […]
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Release the mods!
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The timing is always right for a dirty joke … Cinderella’s magic maxi-pad, the inexperienced newly weds, businessman in Japan… a no-fucks-given approach and a filthy joke.
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I missed the perfect moment today. Trying to learn how to bring hindsight into ‘here and now’ situations.
I was waiting at the deli counter and I hear, “Excuse me, there’s a guy coming down the aisle” I turned around to see a gorgeous blond striving to get around me and my cart, and some kid blasting just past her with one of those giant bread rack things. It all caught me off guard as I had just got off work, was half out of it, and was at the time dealing with a bitchy little fat girl behind the counter. I couldn’t think of a damn thing to say. Reviewing this for future episodes. What was the perfect line?
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Don’t worry about being knocked down. I’m really good at picking girls up
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Sorry, I don’t have as much experience with knocking chicks down as I have with knocking them up.
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AFTER A CHIVALROUS ACT: “I’m trying to teach myself that chicks dig Bad Boys, but old habits die hard. Here, put your number in my iPhag.” ||||| AFTER FAILING TO ACT CHIVALROUSLY: “When I was young and foolish, I came to the aid of damsels in distress, but then I discovered how much chicks dig Bad Boys. Put your number in my iPhag.” Or, for Dark Triad Apex Alpha, simply, “Put your number in my iPhag.” But you’ll need the body language and the tone of voice [preferably deep Baritone/Basso] to pull that off successfully. To include the eye contact. Stare straight into her eyes. No flinching, no trembling, no frog in your throat. Fake the Psychopathy.
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I meant “then he is a challenge”. Darn it. I hate it when I see the error after I hit send.
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Great article. All single men should follow this writer.
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Your mom should follow this article… Last night…
I had sex with your mother…
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You had sex with my mom in heaven? Wow.
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So true. Tonight I picked up a woman who isn’t my wife and fucked her. Her hamster justified my defiling of her which was so awesome. This site is great. Men be men and be rewarded.
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Wow. What if your wife finds out? When she does find out, she is entitled to a grudge fuck, no? What is good for the goose is also good for the gander.Eh?
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I love all your comments. I am curious, do you guys pay for the whole date and the sitter too? Do you open the doors on the date? Do you act like the Duke for his lady on the date? Do you bring her flowers? Do you act Chivalrous? You also should never kiss on the first date, second date or kiss her for weeks. My kiss with my hubby was the best ever because he made me wait for a long time. He is so Alpha.
Here’s some unwarranted good advice for you boys. That seven second kiss is important because of the Testosterone that gets exchanged. It saves money on alcohol too. I learned that one, on a show called “Manswers”. Kissing will get you boys laid more and her eating out of your hands. Then again you must understand that art of kissing. There is an art to it. The kiss is the most important and it must be right the first time. Theory on the Kiss: “If the kiss doesn’t rock you, then neither will the sex”. All my females friends agree this theory to be true. If you make it through the pick-up line and get the date. Remember the kiss is the deal breaker.
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ladydonnalands,
It will be your privilege and honor to detox my buttox.
So quit talksin’ and start detoxin.
You will have to pay a $5000 fee for the privilege.
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Five grand? That’s it? That one gave me an excellent laugh. Thank you for the witty comment. Why would a woman ever pay? I would never ever ever pay a man for the privilege of visiting my sunshine of delight. That line for a pickup line really sucked. Don’t use that one, on another woman again. You should not underestimate your value.
Remember that movie with Robert Redford where he paid Demi Moore one million dollars for one night? Nope, sweetheart, if, and/or, when I decide to use my one and only hall pass, it surely will not be me that pays. That my dear, you can take to the bank!
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You are new around here, toots. To detox my buttox is an immense privilege, for which the fee of $5000 I charge is a bargain.
You will be permitted to bathe in the salubrious excellence of my award-winning, supernatural gas….
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You made me laugh because she thinks your comment is witty instead of a recurring theme of the comment section here. lel
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About time
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I can see your picture, and let me tell you that you might as well be invisible. You smashed through the wall and have come out on the other side. TLDR: No one cares about your insane rambling.
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A Knavish speech sleeps in a fools ear. (Shakespeare)
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“Do you act like the Duke for his lady on the date? ”
No, I prefer using a fork to eat meatballs rather than poking them with my nose.
“Do you act Chivalrous?”
Yes. I joust every Saturday morning.
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Great Answer. 🙂
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> “I love all your comments.” —– Cluster B Histrionic Personality Disorder.
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And Narcissistic Personality Disorder. “I am the center of the Universe. Everything revolves around me. Pay attention to me. Me me me me me!!!”
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You may be onto something there, but personally I think I may just be a bitch practicing my bitch skills.
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PS. Being a true bitch has paid off. My neighbors(400 +) wanted to place their Sewage Treatment Facility next door and uphill from my humble estate. My neighbors truly wanted me to put up with their shit. It took all the psycho bitch power in the world to move that Sewage Treatment Facility. My hubby and I ended up moving after fighting with them for two years. It is almost completed. I will write about that experience when it is done. That 13.7 million dollar facility will not destroy my humble estate. When it comes to shit and being shit tested, I would speculate I am the Champ. My neighbors and Government shit tested me like no other. There you have it in a nutshell about my shit on, how being a Bitch has paid off. 🙂
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WTF… is this MMSL or something? What’s up with all these high sex drive old ladies stopping by the Chateau to get their tingles on flirting with the boys these days? . Don’t they have to read 50 More Shades of Grey or vacuum or something? Jeeez…
Lady, get your SUPER ALPHA HUBBY some T treatment and keep your comments to yourself (they always always go on about high alpha their husband is… while they waste time all day on game boards… LOL).
Greg – as the self appointed bouncer here, do something OK?
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I am here just for the female perspective and you can’t handle it. I don’t want a man, I have one. He is my boy joy toy and I am his sunshine of delight. I just love reading your comments to make me laugh. There are smart men in here. I have learned a lot in here. Don’t get so upset over the little things in life Champ, as that is like crying over spilled milk. Have an inspiring day! 🙂
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I already outed this fairy for his trolling… but you know how pesky these diversionary shills can be.
I’ll give him a bit of credit for the novelty, but this is starting to look like a siege and starve situation.
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Don’t worry about it. I’m used to girls falling at my feet.
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YaReally, Sentient, HABD, Wala et al
Final FR from Dating Blitz week – the near miss FRA
This is scary stuff guys, even though I did nothing wrong. I really didn’t sleep much that night, but think it’s fine now.
Background: I banged a 30 yr HB6 virgin on the first date back in March (think I posted an FR then). I basically fried her circuits with attraction, got her back home and went through her LMR with standard tactics. I left her a virgin cos I didn’t want the responsibility but we did everything else and she was totally into it.
Took her out for ice cream after, very positive texts for the next few days – all fine. BUT
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then I ignored her for 3 months and didn’t text (she didn’t text either). Last week I had a flake and texted and she replied immediately saying “I thought you’d forgotten me”. She stopped texting that night, but she reopened me a couple nights later.
I convinced her to come over for “pizza and a hang out” and she said “ONLY pizza?” and I said “LOL – we won’t do anything you don’t want”.
She came over all made up just as I stepped out of shower in my towel. I got dressed, but we were making out inside of 5 min. Barely talked. Had her tits out and she loved that but wouldn’t let me go lower. Did rinse/repeat, still didn’t work.
She got dressed and said “I need some space” and I was like “Okay..you can leave if you want to”.
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“I need some space…I’m just sitting here trying to figure…”
Run Forest Run!
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She thought for a few seconds and said she wanted to go. We both got up and I gave her a farewell kiss and we went hot and heavy again and she was giving me a hand job. Then repeat – she pulled away again and wanted to leave.
I let her go. No force or anything (obviously). All civilized – we joked a bit etc. At this point I knew if I took her out for pizza (public) and piled on the comfort, I could have still got the bang but I just couldn’t be bothered. Not attractive enough.
20 min later – I had just stepped out, flirted with a cute waitress, got takeaway pizza and come home – she calls. I answer saying “Hey have you got home?” And she’s like “No..I’m just sitting here trying to figure out what just happened between us” [She had obviously been brooding in her car near my place]. Here is where I made my mistake – I should have got her to come back in and talk things through and directed her emotions the right way and left her feeling good.
But I was hungry and preferred eating alone with my book and I blew her off (nicely) saying something non-commital..
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..and about 5 min later it hit me that this was very fertile FRA territory (well, not technically as she’s still a virgin, but assault at the least). She’s a “strong minded” SJW type too – exactly the kind that will find it “empowering” to resolve her emotional issues with a police complaint.
So then I frantically tried to pull back the damage and texted her saying “Hey text me when you get home” and something about meeting up for a movie. I knew I couldn’t say sorry (directing emotions the wrong way) so had to stay upbeat. She texted me back when she got home but none of the texts were positive enough to be FRA proof. And then I pounced and called her and talked to her.
Told her I was surprised at her reaction because we were having a good time, but we should go out for a movie sometime. She really scared me by saying “I really needed you to back off” (yeah right, that’s why you were moaning and giving me a HJ)
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Then I pointed out I HAD backed off and given her space, even though I would have loved to have gone out for dinner with her (lol). She admitted “Yes, yes, you did back off”. Then by the end of the convo, I managed to get her smiling and asked her out for a movie and she said “Yes, that sounds lovely”. [I should have recorded this call]
I went to bed feeling a bit better but still had no proof (text messages) – she could still sleep on it and go to the police to resolve her issues about how turned on she got with me (talk about the impact your first man has on you).
Next day or two I managed to pull it back with a bunch of super-comfort texts about sunny days and really boring beta stuff, but I managed to get some positive texts from her and the tone of her texts changed. It’s been almost a week now, so I think I am okay (although she could report late of course).
SCARY stuff. But thanks to YaReally in particular for all the old posts on aftercare and not letting her regret what she did (we had a great exchange about FRAs against some celebrity photographer last year which helped me a lot).
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> “I banged a 30 yr HB6 virgin on the first date… I left her a virgin cos I didn’t want the responsibility but we did everything else and she was totally into it.” —– 1) You ALMOST banged her. 2) YOU BREAK IT, YOU OWN IT. This includes breaking her psychologically in addition to breaking her hymen. 3) SJW?!? That’s a default mean way off into crazy-on-a-stick territory. 4) SAVE THE TXTs. Print them out on paper and on thumb drives. Make several copies and store them in several places. The TXTs could keep you out of jail.
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I wouldn’t get involved with this chick anymore, but if your Little Head overrules your Big Head and you do get involved with her again, then your Big Head had better have a Plan B and a Plan C and a Plan D for staying out of prison. And Plan M might end up being Marriage.
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LOL at Plan M CO – indeed, I hope it won’t come to that.
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@Culum
“then I ignored her for 3 months and didn’t text (she didn’t text either). ”
leading is leading…up, down, around the corner…with great power comes great responsibility…
I happen to agree with CO on this one…you break it you own it…also agree with the crazy on a stick description…lol…
just think about this…SJW = hard core feminist…BUT…’virgin’ (assuming true…lol…she might be a born again virgin)…how does that translate? most girls that get into feminism are raging yolo sex positive sluts…that’s actually part of the appeal of 3rd wave feminism…so, if she’s not?…= crazy…or at least very inconsistent…AND she’s 30 (right at the wall…) and looking for a beta provider. even if she does get married, she’s a prime candidate for ‘making up for missing out’ later in her life…But she did give you multiple opportunities to ‘seduce her’…and her hindbrain wanted that. and if you would have, it would have probably been ok…right up until you wouldn’t commit to her…lol…
what’s probably going on is that (like most feminists) she is the sjw/feminist that SAYS she wants equality in her relationships (and is only ever around mangina/beta/white knights…so no tingles)…but her body is primed for the tingles from the real man/pua, but she isn’t attractive enough to have gotten any attention from them yet, and has never ‘settled’…then you come along and ping her tingles, but she doesn’t know how to handle it…and she only got you interested bc you were practicing game and getting better, so were starting with the low hanging fruit…
game practice – reread your comments and spot the ‘chase me’ beta provider rolodex plays she uses…
“Here is where I made my mistake – I should have got her to come back in and talk things through and directed her emotions the right way and left her feeling good.”
no…if you don’t want to bang her, keep her OUT of the isolated location…lol…you should have gone to meet her out…’to talk’…and direct her emotions that way.
unless YaReally has a better game plan, you can either ‘be busy’ on the road with your schedule and not able to see her for another couple months but still text her boring beta stuff…or take her out to dinner and a movie, but NO kissing/sex…don’t YOU initiate anything, including sex talk/topics…use these:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/why-ask-why-shun-the-stale-seven-questions/
lol…this is a great opportunity to calibrate…lol.
good luck!
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@HABD always great as usual. @culum – what you feel she feels… don’t stay in her frame about “what happened”… move on.
Brief failure report, was interesting though because I could pick out (most lol) of the issues within a few minutes of departure… getting faster.
At resort with the wife, she is off in spa day. I take a ride down the coast. stop at this beach shack bar. Pretty cool, mid day. Crowded, one single reading a mag at table, 22 YO 6.5/7. Go over and ask if she is using the whole table. Tell her I just want to get some sun. we chat, she just graduated college and moved here for a real estate job. I am not in game mode, so most f my chat is benign.. a risk when you are older is you can lapse into older guy giving advice mode, which they love but if you don’t sexualize you lose attraction. get some kino going, she mentions lifting something heavy and I squeeze her bicep and say she has some big guns.
She has really big sunglasses on so I can’t read her eyes, so I am not laser eyeing at all really. and she has on a flouncy coverup so I can’t read her size. so these things plus not being in game mode = low attraction… which comes across in subcomms. Anyhow have a beer and say I am going to hit the beach come with me it’s hot here. she gather sup her stuff and pays her tab and we go down to the beach.
I take my shirt off and say lets go for a swim and I see it that moment when a girl is going to take off her clothes and is a little self conscious and unsure of her appearance. This is good because it puts you in a discerning frame and shows you have the upper hand (to a degree). She drops the coverup and is wearing a bikini. No fat on her at all, but a thicker athletic girl (not really my type) turns out she played girls soccer. I see she has a dolphin tattoo on her side, a little one, so I reach out and stroke it and say she must like the water…
We go and frolic in the surf a bit. still chit chatting about her life, recent move, where she lives etc. and I ask about guys. she says she recently ended long term college BF. Ding Ding. This is a good sign, young girl out in the world. we chat some more and I put my hand out, she takes it and I pull her in and wrap my arms around her. She goes “what’s happening?” not in a weird way, in a kinda coy, sly way, not pulling back at all. i just say “I’m getting to know you better” and she laughs, we keep chatting more like this, arms around her, surf rocking us up against each other, stomach to stomach. But she starts with “but I’m so much younger with you” which was an interesting way for her to phrase it… not you’re too old for me LOL. and “isn’t it strange”. So I smile and disengage her and roll off and say “it’s natural for older guys to be with younger women”…
She starts back on “but…. you’re married right?” I say Yeah. She says “happily?” I say Oh Yes… she says “I couldn’t be the one to break up a marriage” so I laugh and say “you’re getting a bit ahead of yourself now” and she laughs at this. I say “you’re right. we should be friends…. best buddies!” from the recent CH devalidation/friendzone post… She laughs at this, she is still flirting. I pull her back in “come here friend” and some more banter but she won’t budge much with the kino… I roll off again. Some more banter. I say let’s go in pal…
Get to the beach, dry off. she gives me her card and says I should call her, I’m like “yeah buddy ol pal”… we walk back to our cars. break time. And this was interesting, I reach my car and say “take care, nice meeting you” and give her a quarter hug and cheek to cheek kiss as friends would do and she tries at the last second to turn her mouth onto mine! LOL… I was so in the “friends” mindset and not chasing I gave her my cheek by reflex!!! ha ha. “So long Buddy” I call out to her as I drive by… she laughs.
And it all hit me then… just stupid me not spiking attraction and sexualizing early on. She pushed but never broke off the whole time… and at the end she was trying to reel me back in… I had a good laugh at this afterwards. Live and learn…
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Thanks for the link to the Stale Questions.
One thing I’ve done in place of the “where are you from” question is to instead say, “What is your accent? I can’t quite place it–is it French?”
Chick crack.
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Thanks HABD – point taken. Will also watch for your other post to pop out. I think you’ve read her bang on. I didn’t put most of this together although it should have been obvious. She’s not stupid and actually pretty good company (another risk factor for a police complaint) but I totally ain’t getting to Captain Obvious’ Plan M.
I did actually tell her last week that I’d been travelling for 3 months (I genuinely travel a lot, but not for 3 months at a stretch) so I’ll give it a few weeks and then nice, boring movie one afternoon (even better if I invite her and she’s busy) and then do a slow fade away..
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Sentient I think you did pretty well. Also if you frolic around in the surf with 22 year olds you must be in pretty good shape as well – that must really help (not that you have a 22 year old lifeguard’s body but it’ll be so different from what she imagines about older guys).
Good catch on how she phrased the age thing. Were you not able to laser her and change the vibe more sexual in the water? I’d have thought it would be perfect for games and splashing and escalating kino playfully..
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Sentient
not a failure…just one more data point for game…lol…
“She goes “what’s happening?” not in a weird way, in a kinda coy, sly way, not pulling back at all. i just say “I’m getting to know you better” and she laughs, ”
“But she starts with “but I’m so much younger with you” which was an interesting way for her to phrase it… not you’re too old for me LOL. and “isn’t it strange”. So I smile and disengage her and roll off and say “it’s natural for older guys to be with younger women”…
She starts back on “but…. you’re married right?” I say Yeah. She says “happily?” I say Oh Yes… she says “I couldn’t be the one to break up a marriage” so I laugh and say “you’re getting a bit ahead of yourself now” and she laughs at this.”
you’re getting better at those smooooth cute-girl tests…lol…spot the beta bait in each of these…
good luck!
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Sentient
stack ate a short one…
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@Culum
stack ate another one…lol…
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All of this could’ve been avoided if you’d seen the futility in gaming 30-yr-old virgins. Jesus, why bother? Leave her to an AFC with no game. Clearly she’s a minefield of emotional issues.
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@Culum
Close fuckin call dude.
“But I was hungry and preferred eating alone with my book and I blew her off (nicely) saying something non-commital..”
This is why a lot of Naturals have drama and FRA etc. because they prioritize their own wants above the girls…which is great for getting laid, but it’s also why some psycho bitch carries a mattress around campus for a year. If you want to roll the die of casual sex with girls you’ve just met (VS have dated for a long time before banging romantically as a couple) then you suck it up and do your fucking aftercare. In the 90s, whatever, even the early 2000s, it was okay to not do as much after-care to make sure she doesn’t feel slutty because what’s she going to do tell a couple close friends when she hangs out with them, who’ve never met and will never meet you? No biggie.
But once texting was invented and now twitter, instagram, social justice mobs, world-wide instant publicity and support for any girl who accuses a man of anything and instant demonization and destruction of any man who’s accused of anything with NO punishment when you’re found to be lying? Mattress girl went to the fuckin UN or whatever. Insane.
But if you’re a girl and a guy has “hurt” you by letting you fuck him and then not wanting a relationship, why WOULDN’T you cash in on all that victim-bux? There’s no reason NOT to. You can even do it anonymously.
If you don’t do after-care even with the ugly 4 that you were wasted and regret waking up beside, and take basic precautions for them to not know your last name or your job and as little personal info as possible, in 2015, then you are retarded.
Whatever BRO!! I’m an alpha male I don’t care about no bitch’s feelings bro that’s supplicating beta shit bro I do what I want when I want!! Ok, tell it to the other FRA guys who’s lives have been ruined, IF you don’t end up railroaded into prison.
“And she’s like “No..I’m just sitting here trying to figure out what just happened between us””
Good that you recognized this for what it is. You were at least on the ball enough to realize the situ that was forming.
“Here is where I made my mistake – I should have got her to come back in and talk things through and directed her emotions the right way and left her feeling good.”
Ya, with a virgin you basically turned her on enough to want to fuck but you didn’t have enough Comfort for her to feel special so she ended up torn between wanting to fuck you but knowing you’ll vanish for another 3 months right after you get what you want etc. It was even in her “watch a movie and do WHAT?” text.
I always:
1) set myself up as not BF material from the moment we meet so I talk about being against LTRs etc so that if she gets with me she knows not to expect me to date her…it loses some girls but I also don’t have as much of this drama to deal with because when I don’t call it’s like “that’s exactly what I expect from him because it’s congruent to who he told me he was”, VS a lot of guys (esp Naturals) who will tell a girl anything “oh baby no you’re so special I think I’m really falling for you” to get the lay and then when they don’t call the girl feels extra used.
2) avoid virgins. They’re shitty in bed and it’s not worth the drama of babysitting their fragile weird sex-issues psyche. At least one partner before me so I don’t get the brunt of the emo drama. ESPECIALLY if she’s a virgin past like 23…that’s just fucked up damaged goods crazy in a package right there. I can GET them, it’s not hard, they don’t know anything about sex so a guy who’s sexual blows their fucking mind, virgins have asked me TO be the one to do the deed, but in my experience after banging a few it ain’t worth the hassle for me because I don’t want to monogamously date them.
3) do a slow fade out, not an abrupt one. Slowly text less and less and make excuses with being busy with work to avoid a meetup but totally as soon as this workload is done we need to go hang out, then “admit” a couple weeks later that I ran into my ex while we were drunk and she forgave me for being an asshole and we’re going to try giving it another go sorry but I’m glad we met bla bla bla If I really want to sell it I’ll shoot a midnight txt on a fri/sat night saying “FML” “so drunk” “ex is here fml” to seed it so that when I say we got back together she has a story formed in her head of “oh he ran into his ex drunk and they got back together, that’s a story that makes sense and means I didn’t get used…he really liked me, he just got back with his ex I understand that I got back with my ex once too, oh well it’s too bad, I’ll ping him once in a while to see if it’s for real then give up”. If I really REALLY want to sell it, in step 1 there when I’m talking about how relationships are stupid I’ll mention my ex and say I just broke up with a girl bla bla I was an asshole bla bla separate ways bla bla whatever I don’t even care (protesting too much). That way when I do the actual “we’re going to give it another try” thing, not only is it 100% congruent and believable, but half the time they actually WISH ME LUCK lol
And if I run into her at the bar when I’m macking other girls I either say “oh that girl over there is my ex” or say I broke up and make an excuse not to bone that night lol
Air-tight shit. Memorize this escape method and use it in these situs. Not necessarily your current situ…your current situ you’re pretty fucked, you basically have to like, date her for a bit and somehow slow-fade it lol I wouldn’t actually fuck her or then you’re REALLY locked in. Tangled goddamn web you got here, but a lot better than ignoring her and having an FRA seep out and ruin your rep just because some awkward virgin regrets touching a cock.
“I knew I couldn’t say sorry (directing emotions the wrong way) so had to stay upbeat.”
Good, well done. This dynamic works the same as saying something offensive. If you say something “wrong” and apologize or act like it was wrong, then that feeds her view of it being wrong because she pings off her environment for how to feel (thus being convinced by her friends that she was raped when the reality is it was consensual etc.). If you acted like you had to explain yourself, that would imply that you did something wrong that needs explaining which feeds her view etc.
Instead you just STEAMROLL THE FUCK OVER HER FRAME with the frame of nothing’s wrong what are you talking about oh you viewed it that way that sucks I really liked you etc. etc.
Sure it’s lying and emotionally manipulating her but 1) she threw down the gauntlet first and the stakes are real so anything goes, and 2) it’s survival in 2015, the consequences are astronomical…FRAs are like handing a bunch of schoolkids loaded shotguns they don’t even realize how much damage their toy can do.
“She texted me back when she got home but none of the texts were positive enough to be FRA proof. And then I pounced and called her and talked to her.”
Risky situ. A call leaves zero evidence (unless you record it, check your laws but I’d rather face a court for recording a conversation than falsely raping a girl) so txts are better but if she isn’t biting on the txts then you made the right move escalating it to a call, getting her in a good state, THEN collecting txt evidence once she’s receptive. So you played this all solid given your situ, there were a lot of points where this could have turned out ugly as fuck.
“Told her I was surprised at her reaction because we were having a good time, but we should go out for a movie sometime”
Yup. Steamroll that shit and dangle a non-sexual carrot. This is giving her the Comfort she needs to feel special.
“yeah right, that’s why you were moaning and giving me a HJ”
Ya, WE all believe you. Any red pill guy knows it happened how you described. But everyone else will believe her. Even if that’s starting to change with all these FRA hoaxes getting exposed lately, it’s still the vast vast majority opinion and will fuck your name (and photo these days) over.
“I went to bed feeling a bit better but still had no proof (text messages) – she could still sleep on it and go to the police to resolve her issues about how turned on she got with me (talk about the impact your first man has on you).”
lol but ya, phone call leaves no evidence. Next time record. I have a recording app on my phone for questionable situations.
“Next day or two I managed to pull it back with a bunch of super-comfort texts about sunny days and really boring beta stuff, but I managed to get some positive texts from her and the tone of her texts changed. It’s been almost a week now, so I think I am okay (although she could report late of course).”
Solid play, and all you can really do at this point. Just gather as much evidence as possible that she likes you so that it’s like Mattress girl txting the guy “I want you to fuck me in the butt”, it’s like if shit goes nuclear you can publish ALLLL of that shit and at least stand a fighting chance in the court of public opinion. It’s hard-ball but she started it with this nonsense.
“But thanks to YaReally in particular for all the old posts on aftercare and not letting her regret what she did (we had a great exchange about FRAs against some celebrity photographer last year which helped me a lot).”
Saving your ass just made all that typing I did worth it. Like I say that’s why I’m here, to help dudes out. Glad it helped you avoid becoming the next bullshit feminist statistic.
Agree with habd, this is the optimal plan right now…go asexual and try to friend-zone yourself:
“unless YaReally has a better game plan, you can either ‘be busy’ on the road with your schedule and not able to see her for another couple months but still text her boring beta stuff…or take her out to dinner and a movie, but NO kissing/sex…don’t YOU initiate anything, including sex talk/topics…use these:”
Not sure how to get out of it longterm. This goes back to the Julien investment concept I’ve mentioned lately: she needs to get you into an LTR to justify her investment of touching your cock. So even if you go full chode on her, she will probably not care and try to LTR you just on principle. I don’t wanna say you have to actually date her for a couple months and break up but like, if you can’t come up with a better plan there’s always that lol
My 3 rules/steps up above generally keep me out of this situation.
Fuck I didn’t even realize she was 30. Goddamn mine-field. That adds all sorts of layers of baggage damage on top of it with the baby timer ticking and the wall approaching and NEEDING the attention from society that an FRA would give her etc. Good fuckin luck lol it’s a miracle you survived that initial play. Would def not date her or bang her…MAYBE be busy then in a few weeks go for asexual drinks and have to work in the morning and you don’t want to go too fast for her so let’s just have fun hanging out tonight etc. THEN somehow slow fade out of there but like, shit, might as well just say you’re moving to Yemen.
To the “you broke it you bought it guys”: a 30yo virgin is already broken as FUCK. Someone else broke that shit long ago. A 21yo virgin, alright, but not 30. That is ALWAYS some “broken and at best duct-taped back together” shit right there. Leave em better than you found em, unless they try to FRA you, then burn that shit to the ground.
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@Culum
“Not sure how to get out of it longterm. This goes back to the Julien investment concept I’ve mentioned lately: she needs to get you into an LTR to justify her investment of touching your cock. ”
beta stink…lol…he needs to ‘turn into a beta’ sufficiently enough so that she feels relief that she never actually slept with him…her hamster will write off the foreplay stuff as a near miss…and be grateful that she didn’t actually procreate with CS…lol…(try to reinforce her choice of being hard to get…lol)…but that’s going to take some master level calibration…
he can start by being aggressively clueless (not sure if that would be congruent though…and he can’t overdo it too much or she’ll get suspicious)…wait a couple days and send her a text on the gay marriage court case (like he just heard about it…lol…but he’s not so sure about it being a good idea…then let HER form his opinion for him…then REALLY support it…lol…rinse and repeat with other topics (over text, while he’s out of town on business, since they are really getting to know each other now, and can let down their defenses and just be themselves)…lol…and NO SEX (not even kissing or sex talk…when she brings it up, agree and change the subject…lol…)…until she dumps him…
like i said, great calibration opportunity…lol
good luck!
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YaReally
Culum
stack ate another one…lol
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…and also, if he does end up out on a date with her, get her laughing and take some selfies…
good luck!
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Thanks YaReally. Esp the age 30 red flag thing that you and HABD pointed out – I never realized that.
LOL at Chandler in Yemen though. I remember watching that as a teenager.
This is like a whole different world of dangers compared to my friends who are dating someone they met at work or whatever. Like it doesn’t even compute for them.
The recording thing occurred to me two minutes after I hung up on the call. I’ll keep it for next time.
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The thing with FRAs is when I talk to non-redpill friends (male and female), most of them say they usually believe the girl because she has no reason to lie – like why would someone give up privacy and their reputation to go through a harrowing, unpleasant trial experience where they have to relive (and be cross examined by) a (allegedly) horrific assault experience in public? And it’s hard to explain the psyschological reasons why FRAs happen to someone like that – I know what you said about female psych is true..but not these guys…
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Also 1) I am starting to realize that I have power over women’s emotions. Yeah this time it’s with a HB6, but I also have a 23/HB7 chasing me on text and others..and for someone with decades of beta mindset to overcome, it’s hard to accept that – it’s pretty Spiderman “great power..great responsibility”
2. FRA – the issue is that most regular people (men/women) don’t understand the psychological reasons WHY a girl would do an FRA and automatically assume she is telling the truth (and in most cases they probably are).
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Like for eg:
1. 23/HB7 – been texting to meet up on a sugar site. 2 weeks ago she agreed to be picked up last min for a date and then stopped replying when I asked for the address so ignored her. One week later she reopens me. I ignore for 3 days, then reopen with something random. Get this string of texts “Why did you ignore me? Now you want to talk??” etc. I don’t know if I’ll actually meet her, but I can feel I *hit* her emotions. It’s a new thing for me
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2. Update from another of last week’s girls for HABD and Wala et al – this was the 22 year old I liked and didn’t sexualize enough. She texted me after 4 days of silence – “Hey..how are you..just wanted to let you know how much I enjoyed spending time with you..”. So all hope not lost there I think. Just need to amp up the escalation on text now..but again, I clearly reached her (to some level) emotionally. This stuff is POWERFUL and I’m just starting to get it.
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YaReally,
+100 on that advise.
You are saving lives with that shi…stuff.
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“Hey..how are you..just wanted to let you know how much I enjoyed spending time with you..”
Well done… all teed up and ready to go.
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@Culum
last one bumped to mod…
“This is like a whole different world of dangers compared to my friends who are dating someone they met at work or whatever.”
spiderman doesn’t fight ordinary criminals…lol…
“…like why would someone give up privacy and their reputation to go through a harrowing, unpleasant trial experience where they have to relive (and be cross examined by) a (allegedly) horrific assault experience in public?”
you: bc he’s/i’m such a great guy, and she couldn’t get whatever type of relationship she wanted with him…just like all those other FRAs you see in the news…
” the issue is that most regular people (men/women) don’t understand the psychological reasons WHY a girl would do an FRA and automatically assume she is telling the truth (and in most cases they probably are).”
= blue pill residual thinking…MOST are FRAs = girl not telling the truth…have you learned nothing here…lol…this is the whole reason behind the ‘yes means yes’ campaign…it makes it easier to those girls to actually be ‘believed’…reframe = why wouldn’t she lie?…she gets lots of attention/nice emotional support (even from strangers…)/gets to play the hero for being the ‘victim’…
“She texted me after 4 days of silence – “Hey..how are you..just wanted to let you know how much I enjoyed spending time with you..”. ”
= her chasing…good job…lol…her 4 days of silence was a beta ‘chase me’ rolodex play…
“2 weeks ago she agreed to be picked up last min for a date and then stopped replying when I asked for the address so ignored her. One week later she reopens me. I ignore for 3 days, then reopen with something random. Get this string of texts “Why did you ignore me? Now you want to talk??” etc. ”
= tingles…abundance mentality FTW!…lol…same beta ‘chase me’ play as above…
just a note on the FRA girl – she still might want to lock you down as beta provider, so take away the provisioning aspect…just be ‘beta’…
you: hey, when we go out for coffee, can you buy mine? (note lack of entitlement…lol)
her: why?
you: i just paid my student loan bill and i’m tapped out.
her: how much do you have for loans?
you: a little over $120k…it sucks, i’m never gonna be able to buy a house for at least 20 years…(used the money to party/should have been more frugal in college/etc…)
and thank her appreciatively (at least 2x) when/if she does buy coffee (the opposite of an entitled (alpha) mentality)…
good luck!
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@Culum
another one stuck in the stack…
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when you say ‘did everything else, and she was totally into it’ what does that entail? cunnilingus, finger banging, blowjobs? I’m in the same boat with a 22 yr old non SJW. the hymen is rarely intact so they say: it degrades over times, so they say. a bicycle ride could pop her cherry, so they say. hard to believe they’re virgins – have to take their word for it. don’t want responsibility either, but am toying with the idea of plan M all the same
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Thanks Sentient – it is such a different feeling when it’s a girl you’re actually attracted to (fun company plus physically) as opposed to just someone who passes the boner test
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mingetastic – all of that except cunnilingus. Could have done the cunnilingus, but just didn’t find her attractive enough and she came hard anyway so no need.
It’s psychological as much as physical. Doesn’t matter that much if the hymen degrades – more that if I’d done that, she’d have FELT I’d done something big. Without it she had more freedom to do all the other stuff and not feel she crossed the Rubicon (or Rubicock – lol). I mean, the impact was massive even with hymen intact – can you imagine how much worse without it?
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minge – short one in mod, don’t know why
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HABD – thanks. It’s very slow, but I’m starting to get a “feel” for how to create the space for girls to chase. It’s a fine line.
It’s evil genius with the FRA girl although I don’t know if I can even fake full-chode to quite that level..would have been easy ten years ago lol
Very interesting that you think most rape accusations are FRAs..as an attention-gaining maneuver..hmm.
There was an article (on CH I think?) about the whole Tim Hunt scientist’s comments and how his feminist accuser was lying etc..all for attention. Similar dynamic perhaps..
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This is the Tim Hunt accuser takedown article – basically she appears to have left out all the context from his quote (the context makes it clear he was joking) and also her CV appears to be largely fabricated:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3141158/A-flawed-accuser-Investigation-academic-hounded-Nobel-Prize-winning-scientist-job-reveals-troubling-questions-testimony.html
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“… although I don’t know if I can even fake full-chode to quite that level..would have been easy ten years ago lol”
see how far you have come?…lol…
but why i say master level calibration is that going full chode is toooo far beta. she would have never had the hots for that guy (her hindbrain would have never kicked her hamster to wake it up and get her into a sexual situ with you…lol)…you need to be juuuust beta enough, in a way that wasn’t obvious when she met you/fooled around with you (finances/political opinions that you never talked about (and you give in on…lol)/etc…), that you turn her initial attraction from ‘reasonable…with expectations…’ to ‘whooo, glad i didn’t make THAT mistake…’ lol…it’s tricky
…and is ALL about calibration…while maintaining congruity…bc if you go toooo far full chode = the FRA comes back…bc WHY would she have ever gone out with THAT guy = it must have been attempted rape/assault…and at some point approaching full chode it becomes impossible to turn it around with game bc you lose congruence…
that’s why i say it’s a GREAT opportunity to practice…
good luck!
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I agree completely with what having a bad day is explaining about the calibration. Too much beta and the FRA comes back
Also my original point with the investment thing is that even IF you act beta she may need to get an LTR with you to justify what she did. Like her need to avoid feeling like a slut overrides her need to be attracted to you.
But habd’s ideas sound solid to me with the stealth “oh he seems attractive from afar so it makes sense that I touched his dick but up close as I get to know him he’s not as great as I thought so I’m out”. I would take this approach, saying your busy with work so you can’t meet up yet and slowly dropping subtly less appealing opinions on topics to where she’s like uhh look I don’t think this’ll work out
Interesting idea. Again I’m not generally in this position because of how I structure my game as pure Alpha Fux and avoiding virgins etc but if I were I would try this move out. Report back with how it went if you try it lol no specific text details necessary (don’t make yourself tracable if she stalker-googles your texts) but just curious how it plays out.
Also props on the work you’ve put in. “Leave em better than you found em” is the rule we try to go by. It is VERY easy to manipulate girls. So easy that it disturbs me they’re in powerful positions in the work force. You shouldn’t be allowed to be in HR when I can have shit credentials but win you over with a smile and you shouldn’t be CEO when I can make you run to the bathroom crying with just a few cutting WORDS. Like, once you understand how it works it’s scary.
But use your powers for good not evil, cause you can get laid either way so why put negative energy out into the world lol
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Interesting that there is so much focus on the verbal. My focus is totally on the non verbal. Better dress, better health, better confidence in my body language and look.
What I actually said once it came time was very little just aggressive approach. Handed phone to her.
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HABD et. al.
Remember the married woman who has been a pain in the @$$ to me? (No, not talking about my wife, lol.) She flaked on me and lied about why she flaked, didn’t apologize. I texted her to meet to discuss it and she was too busy to do that and asked me not to text her, so I deleted her cell no. and defriended her on FB and never texted her after she asked that I not text her. Easy, peasy. No butthurtedness on my part–just doing the obvious thing. She said we didn’t need to dance together. Well, duh. That was my intention. Especially considering that two nights previously she had asked me to dance and I had declined.
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“I texted her to meet to discuss it and she was too busy to do that and asked me not to text her,”
bc then it couldn’t ‘just happen’…lol…
good job!
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Yeah, it seems that this broad is trying to sabotage any reconciliation back to friendship. Maybe instigated by her current FWB. And she has feelings and is conflicted. Sucks to be her. Her best plan is to dump her current douchebag FWB before he dumps her.
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FR about a silly girl
A broad flaked on me and lied about why she flaked. I suspect that she’s seeing a man with whom I’m not on good terms. Maybe he incited her to flake on me. Since the broad and I have danced together for over a year, I see if there’s a way to straighten it out. She’s hard nosed about it and texted that nobody else gives her this much trouble. I text back that Idc if other men are clueless pussies.
She says not to text her anymore so I don’t answer, but instead delete her cell no. from my phone and de-friend her from FB. Easy, peasy. Just rational–not butthurt. She also said that we don’t need to dance together. Well, duh. That was my plan. Considering that I refused her requests to dance for two nights subsequent to the flake, it should have been obvious. But she’s a silly girl.
So, she comes to a group dance lesson where I was and where she has never been to before and is friendly when she rotates to me. I suspect that she is chasing. I am distantly polite. I don’t watch her at all the whole night or ask her to dance.
One time at the dance I was walking in her general direction to ask someone else to dance. She saw me and quickly turned sideways, arms folded (defensive signal), head and eyes downcast (submissive), and her facial expression looked hurt; all of this looked reflexive. This is probably some standard primate signal.
This silly girl likely thought that it would bother me to not dance with her because she was projecting. And likely she has feelings about me and projects those feelings onto me because she’s a silly girl.
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HABD
FR in mod.
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I only read this blog for the Right-Wing/Reactionary content not for the PickUp Bullshit. Like this.
PUA is just another scam product. The routines aren’t important, it just gives the ‘PUA’ in question the simulacrum of confidence, which is more important to woman than anything. So instead of a real connection, because it is impossible to create an emotional connection with a stranger, PUA is nothing more than a stupid numbers game. Maybe you’ll get lucky with that one random Ho in a hundred.
DUR
This is why Roosh has plenty of videos of him checking into brothels when his TIGHT GAME fails. Because PUA is just bullshit. It reduces seduction to stupid sales routines.
P.S. I’m never sure why a Right-Wing/Reactionary styled blog (Which markedly went further to the Right about some 6 months ago, in response to the polarizing political climate no doubt) advocates infidelity and fornication whilst simultaneously arguing for traditional families and the gender roles that support them.
Perhaps that same cognitive dissonance that plagues the SJW’s mindscape is also alive in the mind of CH.
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Slow your roll brah!!!! I mean have you even tried BEEE MMMM WWWW game? Limiting beliefs playa, limiting beliefs… Game ain’t no lines brah… it’s looks and money nomesayin???? Be beautiful.
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D,
You wouldn’t know “Right-Wing/Reactionary” if it came up and B-I-TCH slapped you.
Seeing the gun shows between Ruby Ridge/Waco and the OKY City bombing…
Now *THAT* was Right-Wing/Reactionary.
Pray you don’t see that again in your lifetime…it will be full on “Bleeding Kansas” when it comes again.
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I need some help. I ve been fucking up a lot lately either because I over game or because I simply Don t do comfort game.
Do you guys have some good posts on comfort game, when and how.
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